Topic: Declassified document: 1962 Joint Chiefs draft of "False Flag" attack on US

[IronDioPriest]

I think I'm just about over my intrinsic respect for all things US military. I'm beginning to wonder if it ever was the great institution I've always believed it to be. I'm beginning to think it has always been nothing more than a great system for creating and deploying soldiers, run by evil, cynical men with a keen understanding and implementation of pro-military propaganda.

Apparently all the way back in 1962, the Joint Chiefs of Staff submitted a brief to President Kennedy outlining very specifically a plan to attack a US ship, as well as terrorist attacks against US civilians in US cities, for the purpose of justifying the military occupation of Cuba.

Kennedy rejected the plan. But the fact that it was submitted through the regular channels and classified means that it was not out of the ordinary. After reading the PDF, I'm convinced this kind of sh*t happens all the time.

Oh, and this document has been declassified since 1997. This isn't new news.

Declassified: Joint Chiefs approved false flag attack on America

[AlanS]

Have no fear. With the SCoaMF in charge, they don't need any false flags. They'll just run right over us or roll over and play dead for any foreign entity.

[Glock32]

Do you think Kennedy's rejection of it has anything to do with the fact that has brains got splattered all over the inside of a limo the following year?  I'm with you IDP, I think we're being shocked out of our naivete on a lot of fronts now. We've all gotten spooked the past few years because we can see their end game scenario beginning to quickly gel all around us, and that has in turn led us to look at history with a more critical eye. It is now apparent that these machinations have been in place for a long time indeed.

False Flag is one of the oldest tactics in history.

[Pandora]

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it, if the "9/11 troofers" really know something we don't.

[IronDioPriest]

In regards to our government, I don't know anything anymore.

[LadyVirginia]

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it, if the "9/11 troofers" really know something we don't.

the problem is the 9/11 truthers aren't people I'd allow to lead me out of a paper sack

[Pandora]

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it, if the "9/11 troofers" really know something we don't.

the problem is the 9/11 truthers aren't people I'd allow to lead me out of a paper sack

Understood, and I'm not saying they're right; nevertheless, I'd rather not make the mistake of confusing the messenger with the message.

To wit:  I distrust Hillary Clinton the way I distrust Obongo and every one of his merry band of thugs; however, it's been established that the initial questioning of King Putt's birth certificate and eligibility to run for US president came from her quarter.  Since then, the case has been taken up and additional facts published by others -- not just on the Right -- including his bogus SS#, his suspicious Selective Service registration and his recently released "birth certificate" dismantled layer by layer and proven a forgery.

Smoke - fire.

Now, anyone who questions Obongo's birth "credentials" is ridiculed and dismissively marginalized as "birfers", so much so that even some Conservatives won't touch the issue.  What's astounding to me is the mockery began even as a stink was being made about McCain's provenance and taken up by Congress.

[LadyVirginia]

I'd rather not make the mistake of confusing the messenger with the message.

So true. 

More than once I've learned something from a lefty writer

[Libertas]

I'd really like to know the positions of then other Joint Chiefs on this recommendation.  I have a hard time seeing Burke and Twining being OK with it and I have my doubts about Shoup.  The Bradley Chiefs would never have gone for it...remember it was they and Eisenhower who thought Patton was completely off his rocker when he said he'd get a scrap going with the Rooskies.  Was this just a wet dream, part of some brainstorming in Op's (J-3) that just threw stuff up on the wall?  That Johnson never did anything like this on Cuba (but did so on the Gulf of Tonkin) indicates a mixed bag arguing it cannot be discounted as not genuine.

I discount the 9/11 truthers merely because they argue burning jet fuel cannot cause steel to burn.  Anybody familiar with firefighting can put the kibosh on that nonsense. 

Doesn't mean other conspiracies are impossible or unlikely though, and as we already see within executive departments and the DoD they already are being conditioned to the idea that liberty-loving civilians are potential terrorists...not leftists or muzzies...so...

 

[John Florida]

  "Trust but verify"

[Glock32]

I'd really like to know the positions of then other Joint Chiefs on this recommendation.  I have a hard time seeing Burke and Twining being OK with it and I have my doubts about Shoup.  The Bradley Chiefs would never have gone for it...remember it was they and Eisenhower who thought Patton was completely off his rocker when he said he'd get a scrap going with the Rooskies.  Was this just a wet dream, part of some brainstorming in Op's (J-3) that just threw stuff up on the wall?  That Johnson never did anything like this on Cuba (but did so on the Gulf of Tonkin) indicates a mixed bag arguing it cannot be discounted as not genuine.

I discount the 9/11 truthers merely because they argue burning jet fuel cannot cause steel to burn.  Anybody familiar with firefighting can put the kibosh on that nonsense. 

Doesn't mean other conspiracies are impossible or unlikely though, and as we already see within executive departments and the DoD they already are being conditioned to the idea that liberty-loving civilians are potential terrorists...not leftists or muzzies...so...

 

I think we've probably got a lot of hidden-in-plain-sight stuff going on now, perhaps even actively taking advantage of the fact that if something is latched onto by conspiracy theorists it automatically makes the general public more incredulous.  I think there was a South Park episode with a plot like that, i.e. "the 9/11 conspiracy is a government conspiracy".

One trope that often comes up here on the forum is Order 66 from Star Wars. That was the order for the armed forces of the Republic to turn on and kill the Jedi, the coup d'etat that allowed Palpatine to complete his fundamental transformation of the Republic into the Empire. The interesting thing about it is that Order 66 was simply one of hundreds of contingency orders, hidden in plain view and never given scrutiny precisely because of how ludicrous it sounded: "So assuming the Jedi suddenly become tyrannical traitors trying to overthrow the Republic, we're supposed to kill them on sight because they're too dangerous to apprehend and try in court? Ok, sure. Moving on now. What's Order 67?"  And many of the other orders were also contingencies based on some fanciful unlikelihood, just to reinforce that they're nothing more than due diligence what-if scenarios. Kinda makes me think of all those war game scenarios in recent years where the enemy is always the Tea Party.

[Libertas]

It's not a conspiracy to see the government conspiring against its own people, but apparently it is OK to condition people to that way of thinking so that when orders come down they are followed blindly...and when the point comes that they are not followed blindly then the foot-soldiers of tyranny will see the true nature of their masters come forth.  The latter condition is known as "too late".

[LadyVirginia]

It's not a conspiracy to see the government conspiring against its own people, but apparently it is OK to condition people to that way of thinking so that when orders come down they are followed blindly...and when the point comes that they are not followed blindly then the foot-soldiers of tyranny will see the true nature of their masters come forth.  The latter condition is known as "too late".

I mentioned a month ago we'd gone to a concert (an outdoor venue where people can bring food in so there are a lot of folks with bags) where they were doing "random" searches and everyone was mindlessly lining up to be searched (we walked on by).  We were at the same venue over the weekend and yep, people were doing it again.  My kids and I walked on by and this one guy who'd just been searched turns to me and says "You have to be searched" and I answered "It says random search". I heard one woman in front of me say "Not everyone has to stop", to which I added "Random means random, that doesn't mean everyone."

I like to think I gave everyone around me a little lesson in reading but I don't hold out much hope they comprehended any of it.

[Weisshaupt]

Makes ya wonder, doesn't it, if the "9/11 troofers" really know something we don't.

I took a look at the evidence with a critical eye back when they first started pushing it.  Yeah, it may have been a "false flag" in that  they knew it was going to happen, knowingly let terrorists train and take flight school and, and allowed them to execute.  I also don't discount that a bunch of Psy-ops was done to make that notion look crazy - the "it was a missile, not a jet", "the planes were remote control" and "Building 7 didn't come down on its own"  and "controlled demolition"  crowd. Most of which can be dis-proven by simply assuming that it was a false flag.  Why, in a false flag operation, would I bring down a building after the fact thus making it look suspicious?  Why, in a false flag operation, in which I am already committed to killing 1000's of people,  would I not use real jets and real passengers? Its so stupid, that its more likely that these stories are circulated to discredit those, who like me, feel its entirely possible it was a real AQ Plot  that was simply allowed to continue ( and perhaps encouraged ) by certain members of the CIA and/or FBI. When you have real enemies,  all you have to do to betray the country is simply get out of the way. You don't need complex conspiracies- just fail to bring the  plot to light.  Bush may or may not have been in the know. ( And the same can be said of Obama, who quite frankly. is just a run of the mill pot smoking punk with Socialist leanings.  I think someone is pulling his strings, and that someone wouldn't hesitate to murder Obama ( as they murdered Kennedy)  if they felt it would be politically advantageous ( how long have the dems relied on Kennendy's martyrdom? ) and that same someone may very well be the person who was pulling Bush's strings.

The whole point of a false flag is it must be credible that the Govt didn't plan or facilitate it.