Topic: Old & Busted: Hate Speech...The New Hotness: We Hope All Your Kids Die..Horribly

[Weisshaupt]

so you believe that the IRS, for example, by use of force to take your money, is degenerate?

If Men were angels we would have no need of government at all. They are not, so we need a degenerate institution to deal with degenerate people as a necessary evil. We authorize force to be used against degenerates who do not abide by the agreements ( public or private) that are made with the consent of all parties.

The only taxes we legitimately owe are those used to pay for the services we consented to the government providing, which do not include welfare, social security, and any number of regulatory agencies just to name a few.  We gave our consent to be taxed only to a limited government. The government is now unlimited in scope and power, and those collecting the taxes are therefore collecting them by illegitimate force, pretending its still a legitimate use of force under our agreement.

[whimsicalmamapig]

do you believe that all the legislation that created such entitlement programs etc is not legitimate legislation. where do the citizens bare responsibility for re-electing these representative. all of what congress does is the responsibility of the governed since our redress is to elect new representatives to undo the evil wrought by those not working the will of the  people.

I find it easy for many to blame congress yet they return these miscreants to congress repeatedly.  it is, in actuality, our fault and our responsibility alone to redress the corruption of our constitution.

[Pandora]

do you believe that all the legislation that created such entitlement programs etc is not legitimate legislation.

No.  It's blatantly unConstitutional.

where do the citizens bare responsibility for re-electing these representative. all of what congress does is the responsibility of the governed since our redress is to elect new representatives to undo the evil wrought by those not working the will of the  people.

I find it easy for many to blame congress yet they return these miscreants to congress repeatedly.  it is, in actuality, our fault and our responsibility alone to redress the corruption of our constitution.

Whoa.  Easy with the "our".  I already outlined my electoral choices, if you can call them that, so "we" are not re-electing anybody; I'm stuck with non-representative representation.

[Libertas]

1-Past congresses, presidents and courts...the democrat party...enablers in the republican party...unelected bureaucrats...the MFM that is 90% controlled by leftists...and lazy and stupid people have destroyed the representative republic our founders created, destroyed the sovereign status of the states and undermined their essential role as checks to centralized power, their role as incubators of republican innovation and co-guarantor of individual rights and liberty...they've altered and destroyed voting integrity by passing amendments (some under nefarious circumstances) and laws that change the requirements, term and process of electing representatives...and have turned the constitutional framework into a national suicide pact.

2-Pretending we live in a functional constitutional representative republic is not going to change anything.

[Glock32]

A lot of things are "law of the land" but are patently unconstitutional. The Constitution is quite clear that unless a power is specifically delegated to the Federal government, then it remains the sole prerogative of the several states or the people themselves.

The idea that the Federal government should ever have millions of pages of laws, codes, and regulations is anathema to the Constitution that created that government. The Constitution is supposed to function like a contract between the people, the states, and the Federal government. The Federal government is the creation of the states. They instituted it to broker among themselves and with foreign entities. It cannot possess any power not first granted to it by the states and the people. I know everyone here knows all that, it just bears repeating. It's mindboggling how far we have gone from that. Our system of government now seems to operate on a principle of "well Washington has gotten away with it for so long and in so many different instances, that's just how it is and it would be stupid to try and stop it now".

Any contract not interpreted literally and under its original meaning is no contract at all. What's the point of a rule book if it can be reinterpreted at will? Yes, the people do bear a substantial portion of the blame for this state of affairs, for allowing it to happen and for allowing it to continue by reelecting politicians who do this damage. But at some point that amounts to blaming the victim, because so many of them cannot even conceive that it's wrong, that it's a Federal government simply arrogating whole new authority to itself. There is an enormous normalcy bias at work now. People in Congress like Pete Stark are on record as saying outright that the Federal government can do whatever it wants, and numbnuts John Roberts evidently agreed. But just because they assert it doesn't make it so, which leads to the next point.

Everything in politics since the beginning of time ultimately comes down to who can force his vision on everyone else. We contrive niceties and rules in an effort to buffer against that reality, and those contrivances can work well for a time here and there. But what do you do when the rules are openly flaunted? You're then back to the central premise of politics: who can force his will on others? I have no doubt we are on that inexorable trajectory and the question is going to be answered in the same ways that it always has been.

[IronDioPriest]

I find it easy for many to blame congress yet they return these miscreants to congress repeatedly.  it is, in actuality, our fault and our responsibility alone to redress the corruption of our constitution.

What we are witnessing is the tyranny of majority. We can redress the corruption of our constitution to the best of our ability, and if the majority votes for politicians who promise free sh*t, our redress is meaningless. They could vote for all our heads on a pike, and our redress would be meaningless.

You've mentioned before that you find our gloomy-gus mood a bit unnerving. This is one of the reasons why it is so. We've come to the understanding that our constitution is for all intents and purposes a shadow of a document, and that politicians have built a majority that will tacitly mandate the unconstitutional rule of men over the constitutional rule of law.

Tyranny of the majority. If one wishes to argue that we haven't "tipped" over the edge yet, that's fine. But then one must also look around and understand that we are in the midst of the Left's Coup de Grace. They are furiously creating more of what they need for final control: chaos, uncertainty, erosion of confidence, dependency, and millions of suddenly poor people without a moral rudder.

Edited to add: it may be our responsibility alone, to redress the corruption of our constitution. But when we do, and the majority votes instead for more free sh*t, then we have a decision to make. We must realize that the redress of corruption may not come from the political mechanisms contained within the constitutional process.

[Libertas]

"Tyranny of the majority" is just another term for "democracy", we were not founded as a "democracy" and should not desire to be a "democracy"!  The Founders feared the tyranny of many just as much as the tyranny of one!  It is why they created a representative republic with hard codified insoluble individual rights and a system of government with many checks and balances...all of which has been undermined, perverted or outright destroyed.  Welcome to the age of the tyranny of democracy...our end will be as the Founders and people as far back as the ancient Greeks predicted the end would be...and only the Founders example can have a chance at saving the most people from the trainwreck.

[Weisshaupt]

do you believe that all the legislation that created such entitlement programs etc is not legitimate legislation.

Show me in the Constitution where the Federal Govt was granted the power to do that. Any  power is not explicitly granted ( or necessary to a power that is)  that it is reserved to the States or the people. Any law passed without the consent of the governed is illegitimate.

I find it easy for many to blame congress yet they return these miscreants to congress repeatedly.  it is, in actuality, our fault and our responsibility alone to redress the corruption of our constitution.

At this point, I don't even think  you can say that. The election process is so corrupt its laughable, and the GOP  can't even legally contest the results. The US Treasury ( and the income o our children) are used to bribe people, and seduce them into the moral hazard that is dependence. As Adams said, the system is only appropriate to a  moral people, and we are no longer that. The Second Amendment is now the only thing standing in the way of these tyrants.  Tree of Liberty and all that.

[whimsicalmamapig]

I was speaking rhetorically about responsibility for congress, I can also refer to Jefferson's oft quoted tree of liberty statement, and you guys seems to feel we are at that state.

I think I am frustrated by the sheer lack of concern apparent in the general population who have not already succumbed to the siren call of free stuff. It's like Paul Revere galloping through the town screaming the British are coming and the response is "OK, as soon as "Dancing with the stars" is over I'll check into it".

The subject of an editorial this morning in the NYT is that Ted Cruz is embarrassing himself in his stand against obamacare.  That is saying that a representative who is "representing" his constituents is an embarrassment.  how did we get here so quickly?

[RickZ]

Quickly, whimsicalmamapig?  The Gramscian long march through the education system has been going on for almost a century; now we have the bomber, the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, a respected member of academia.  Indoctrinate the kids and everything else falls into place, as we see today with the Owebama Cult of Personality.  The progressives/communists have been around since before Teddy the Progressive became president, over a hundred years ago.  This situation we find ourselves in did not happen overnight.  It's just that the productive were busy being productive and taking care of their business while the slackers, layabouts, fraudsters and thieves were busy corrupting the system in order to game it.

Why do you think the Jack@ss Party fights tooth and nail against voter ID?  Voter ID = No Vote Fraud. The Dems cannot win on their ideas nor can they win without vote fraud.  Another question, why do you think Owebama was so bad in some of the 'debates', looking like the totally inept @ss he is?  He knew the fix was in, pure and simple.

ETA:  Antonio Grasmsci is a name hardly anyone on the right knows.  Here is a link that will give you a beginning point to understand this man and how his 'cultural hegemony' concept has been largely responsible for the social decline that has been happening here.  He 'just' died in 1937, hardly yesterday.  Communists always play 'the long game'.

http://www.virginiainstitute.org/viewpoint/2005_09_5.html

To few Americans is Antonio Gramsci a familiar name. That is to be regretted because the work of the late Italian Marxist sheds much light on our time. It was he who first alerted fellow revolutionaries to the possibility that they would be able to complete the seizure of political power only after having achieved "cultural hegemony," or control of society's intellectual life by cultural means alone. His was an incremental, rather than an apocalyptic, revolution-the kind, that is, that we have been witnessing in the United States, and the Western world generally, since the 1960s. With this in mind, we ought not to treat the contemporary "culture war" lightly; the fate of what remains of civilized life may well be decided by its outcome.

--SNIP--

Much of contemporary American culture has as its aim the trampling of moral and aesthetic standards that were once all but universally acknowledged, even when they were being violated. With few exceptions, contemporary movies, television shows, and popular music portray Judeo-Christian morality as laughable at best and tyrannical at worst. To hear them tell it, America is in danger of becoming a theocracy governed by the "Religious Right." This despite the fact that the reigning culture is pagan through and through. It therefore assumes casual or impersonal sex to be the norm; feeds the public's increasing appetite for sexual perversion; depicts all fictional tyrannies as "right wing"; and pollutes the public square with scatological language. Only in rare cases are the purveyors of this "culture" challenged; and then, like the egregious Howard Stern, they pose as persecuted defenders of free speech and command even more money. Almost no one-Judge Robert Bork is an honorable exception-has had the courage to make the case for censorship, in part because of the widespread, but utterly mistaken, belief that there exists a "right of free expression" that is absolute.

--SNIP--

Following Gramsci, Leftists know that Christianity remains the greatest obstacle to their total victory in the culture war. "The civilized world had been thoroughly saturated with Christianity for 2000 years," the Italian had written; something, he insisted, had to be done about that, and something has. The de-Christianizing of America and the West that he advocated is by now well underway. Inspired by the anti-Christian French Revolutionary calendar, publishers now insist upon the secular "B.C.E." (Before the "Common Era"-whatever that means) rather than "B.C." and "C.E." (the Common Era) rather than "A.D." Booksellers, popular magazines, and television treat with respect anti-Christian screeds such as The DaVinci Code. Courts, including the Supreme Court, declare most displays of the Decalogue to be "unconstitutional." The media repeat the mantra according to which Islam is "the religion of peace" (daily evidence to the contrary notwithstanding), find nothing to criticize in Buddhism, and remain "non-judgmental" concerning scientology and other cults, while at the same time they portray Christianity as the religion of "crusaders," bigots, and yahoos. Members of the Christian clergy have themselves joined in the relentless attack on orthodox Christianity.

--SNIP--

[Weisshaupt]

The subject of an editorial this morning in the NYT is that Ted Cruz is embarrassing himself in his stand against obamacare.  That is saying that a representative who is "representing" his constituents is an embarrassment.  how did we get here so quickly?

Deliberate indoctrination and Goebbels like use of propaganda and mass media ( such as the editorial calling Kruz an "embarrasment" - repeat the lie often enough...)  Public Schools don't teach history, math, logic and fallacies, or critical thinking skills, and instead try to instill a sense of entitlement, white guilt, a general hatred for America, and a desire for "group participation" and Social Responsibility.  Couple that with normalcy bias ( no that couldn't possibly be happening, that would be evil!)  and prosperity ( I have an iPhone!, two cars, a McMansion and never mind the debt I have.. )  We were attacked and McCarthy was right.  Cloward-Piven was implemented against us, and now we have finally reached the end of that road.

These people won't wake up till the boot is on their neck. As long as they are fed and Dancing with the stars is on, they are happy.  Its also entirely possible that the Fluoride in the water really is making people docile ( its the PAX)  - or there is some other mechanism such chemicals might be delivered.  (No I am not a believer in that, but I can't discount it either) I do know as an empirical fact that people I knew since Childhood, people who were smarter than I, who had critical thinking skills,  can not now employ them in defense of their ideology and resort to grade school taunts with me ( and in grade school they were the people who would patiently explain crap) Its like they were replaced with Pod People.

[whimsicalmamapig]

weisshaupt:  my late husband was a high school social studies and economics teacher certified by NY State. He chose not to teach in the NY state system simply because he could not succumb to the unionized agenda and found work, instead, educating the children of the migrant farmworkers in NY state.  He had had many a disagreement with his professors while working to get his education degree and certification as he saw that if you did not regurgitate the "company line" at the university level, you were in jeopardy of not acquiring the certification.  they have it locked up before the teacher even hits the classroom.

If this is so prevalent at our universities, I can easily understand what it must be like in a newsroom. Do you think we could actually "play their game" and do to the left what they have been doing to us since the age of Margaret Sanger and that whole bunch of liberal progressives that ushered in the philosophy of Woodrow Wilson and those pansies.

I realize there was a convergence of events and opportunity that allowed the communist/socialist upsurge, but surely we are at one of those convergences, one of those "perfect storms" of frustration and naturally occurring financial, religious and social upheavals that could be used to the advantage of turning the tide.

[benb61]

WAR!!!

[Libertas]

Oh yeah Ben, it's coming, don't doubt it...the race right now is over the trigger...plan accordingly.   

[Glock32]

Ben is right. It will come to that.

We can't do to the Left what they have done to us for a number of reasons. For one thing, we don't have anything like the 100+ years needed for a multi-generation march through the institutions. In addition to their use of academia and pop culture to manufacture narratives, the Left has been busily unleashing a demographic time bomb on this country. We may have already reached that demographic critical mass, and if we haven't we will very soon. Importing people who are tailor made for docile dependency calls into discussion the difference in the notion of "freedom" between us and them. The Left defines rights and freedom as material entitlements provided by the state. If you ever have a chance to watch an interview with Oleg Atbashian (he runs The People's Cube website and was once an agitprop artist in the USSR) do so. He eloquently explains how things like "right to housing" and "right to a job" actually in practice means the government gets to dictate where you will live, with whom, and how. Likewise a right to a job means the government gets to dictate what you will do for a living, where, etc.

I actually think the political process could have worked if we weren't pigeonholed into the Republican Party. We have pulled off some impressive electoral results (2010 being a prime example) but every single time we have handed that party an opportunity its leadership have systematically yanked the rug out from under us. The reactions to Ted Cruz by his own party should finally convince even the most incredulous that this is deliberate hostility to conservatism by the party. The turning of backs on the GOP really began in earnest once it become clear that even our historical margins of victory from 2010 would be squandered. By 2012 Republican turnout was already dwindling. Rush Limbaugh just a few minutes ago on his show pointed out the fact that if Republican turnout in 2012 had matched the turnout from 2008, Barack Obama would not be president right now.

I'm afraid we're simply at the point where the Left has been allowed too much time to build a bureaucratic fortress for itself and its policies, combined with deliberate re-engineering of this country's demographics, combined with systematic vote fraud. The silver lining is that the Left is like that pathological liar who can't remember which lie he told to whom and when, and ends up with a manufactured reality that cannot stand on its own. The Left has sowed the seeds of its own destruction.

[whimsicalmamapig]

It seems to me that a majority of conservatives have decided to just wait for the left to self-destruct. I am imagining that many of these who think this way are of my elder age group and find this the easiest way to await vengeance on the evil of the left.

I am not so sure that the destruction of the left is all that apparent. the largesse of this country can allow them to continue for quite a while to the point that they can create a stasis of sorts that will become global in nature.

I find it almost ironic that the left has been running around blaming the masons for the creation of a "new world order" to dominate the world when, in fact, they have been striving for this via a world order of global socialism all the while. I come from a masonic family and I do not remember much talk of global world orders as they depict, but I do see a brotherhood of like-minded communists working together for no good.

I cannot get to that state where I can await the self-destruction of the left and do nothing more than savor the awaited catastrophe.  I admire sen cruz even though his apparent quixotic "speech" did nothing in actuality but consign him to history's leger of do-gooders. at least he took a stand.

[Weisshaupt]

I am not so sure that the destruction of the left is all that apparent. the largesse of this country can allow them to continue for quite a while to the point that they can create a stasis of sorts that will become global in nature.

You have 30-60 Trillion in unfunded liabilities over the next 30 years, They aren't even living on the largess of this country now... over 1 Trillion in deficit every year now being racked up and will increase geometrically by around 6-8% a year.  The  banking sector and stock market now completely dependent upon the Fed QE, and bond auctions dependent upon the cronies buying the excess with the dollars they just borrowed into existence. And don't forget the Quadrillion in derivatives. And the bad housing market loans. And the bad student loans.  The Destruction of the Currency is mathematically assured.   They are dependent upon the printing press just to keep things running now, and their  tax base is decreasing, not increasing. I Think we can depend on Hauser's law to keep their revenues pegged to 20% of GDP ( and that is GDP the old way)  at best. Since we all know the real economy and income  are shrinking, the real revenues are going to fall - and thats assuming that a lot of us don't up and decide not to pay them, or file 15 amended returns on paper, or fake returns with stolen serial numbers. IF we don't decide to sabotage all sorts of infrastructure.  If we don't break down into an all out war.

There is no Stasis I can see them achieving.  The debt will keep increasing till the holders of dollars overseas start cashing them out for something that isn't providing negative returns. Then the real inflation will hit here, imports will be prohibitively expensive, and we might find foreigners  outbidding us on the goods we do produce here. The money may still be officially worth something domestically, but the rest of the world doesn't have to play along, and neither do the people who produce here. Things will go black market. And the Fed just won't be able to keep things running without going full police state and martial law, and that is likely to start that war.
 
The question in all of this is timing, and specifics, not if it will happen. I just can't see any possible path in which it doesn't.

[LadyVirginia]

And the Fed just won't be able to keep things running without going full police state and martial law, and that is likely to start that war.

Knowing too many people who already think the government is keeping them safe I suspect many would also convince themselves that martial law, etc, will be the price to pay to be safe and they'll pay it.  Not sure seeing the latest report on inflation or rising prices on tv is going to motivate these people.

Some days I see it as being an incident on a non-descript street of small businesses when one day the feds decide to make an example of some guy with a store who failed to fill some form or pay some fine or tax.  Cops show up to close him down unaware he's been preparing for such a time.

[Weisshaupt]

Knowing too many people who already think the government is keeping them safe I suspect many would also convince themselves that martial law, etc, will be the price to pay to be safe and they'll pay it.  Not sure seeing the latest report on inflation or rising prices on tv is going to motivate these people.

They will put up with "safe" to a point - but soon as it interferes with going to the latest night club, or doing the trendy thing, they will figure it out. The left always assumes that they will be counted one of the good guys, the elite, and won't have the rules apply to them. As soon as it becomes apparent they intend to make the rules apply to them, then they will figure out 1) they don't like it and 2) somehow its Booosh'S! fault.

Same thing with the economics. Rising interest rate? Sound like something for bean counters to worry about.  What do you mean you won't accept dollars for smokes!?! Now it hits home.

Ultimately they are at war with reality, and reality is gonna give em a whupping.

[RickZ]

Ultimately they are at war with reality, and reality is gonna give em all of us a whupping.

Reality will kick us in the teeth as much as it will the morons who fight common sense reality.  Like the crabs in the pot pulling the escapees back, so to with our 'reality community'; they will drag us down with them.  All the while blaming us, of course, for their failure, just like Owebama blames everybody else for his fukcups.