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Offline Weisshaupt

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Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« on: October 01, 2013, 10:07:09 PM »
Oathkeepers are basically trying to build Militias and response teams.  of most importance is their wargame scenario

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In addition to this being part of our mission anyway, we feel like we are flat running out of time and we need to get as prepared as possible as fast as possible. The Oath Keepers national Board of Directors war-gamed what we think is the most likely move by our enemies to scrap the Constitution. On the BOD at the time were a Special Forces Major, an Army Ranger, and a Marine Scout-sniper veteran, as well as a retired Navy Commander and several Vietnam combat vets, and several other combat arms veterans. Playing devil’s advocate, and putting themselves in the enemy’s shoes, we estimated that the most effective course for “them” to follow would be to:
1. Intentionally trigger a catastrophic economic collapse as an economic “neutron bomb” (kills the people, but leaves the land intact). With the current intentional lack of a Strategic Grain Reserve, our population is in a strategic “checkmate” position where an economic collapse could be a near-extinction event for our population. During the Cold War, the U.S. government maintained three years worth of grain in a Strategic Grain Reserve for the entire US population because they knew that in the wake of a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, it could take three years to recover and grow crops again. Without that reserve, those who survived the exchange would starve to death before they could possibly restart growing enough food. We now have no such Strategic food reserve, which means that any catastrophic interruption in food delivery could kill millions of Americans. Such a disruption could occur because of even a limited nuclear exchange, an EMP strike (either man-made, or natural, as a result of solar activity), or, an economic collapse.
Currently, our economy is in such a weak state that an economic collapse could be intentionally triggered at any time. Because of the lack of a food reserve, and because few Americans store food on their own, such a collapse would lead to mass starvation, just like in the aftermath of a nuclear exchange.
The US government is spending billions of dollars on ammunition, armored vehicles, and weapons for DHS and local police. It is spending nothing on food for the people. They are preparing to control and contain us, and to shoot us, but not preparing to feed us. Why is that?  You know the answer.
2. Let the country descend into chaos. A national economic collapse would be like a “national Katrina” but lasting far longer, and because it is nation-wide, it would be far more intense. The cities would implode. All the government would have to do is contain them and let them implode. in the midst of that chaos, they could also do a decapitation strike on the leaders of the liberty movement, but other than that, “They” could just sit back and wait a month, two months, or three to be really sure the people are at a maximum level of starvation, weakness, and chaos, and then:
3. Ride in like the cavalry, to “save” us by means of martial law and scrapping our constitution once-and-for all. They could blame the collapse on the so-called “free market” and on not having enough government power, and they could blame delays in relief on the “extremists” in the patriot movement (i.e. “we would have gotten the food trucks in sooner, but the extremists were ambushing our safety check-points and resisting the necessary relocation to relief camps”). Their ready to go solution would be a world-wide version of the Fed, and a world wide government. People would be told to “just turn in your guns, and you’ll get food” and “just turn in the extremists, and you’ll get food.”
ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS: To the above, we now add Brandon Smith’s insight that with a war in Syria, the elites can trigger an economic collapse with a war – with Russia and China using economics as a weapon in retaliation. All China would have to do is dump US treasuries and refuse to trade with US dollars. That would begin the final death-spiral of the dollar.
The Chinese would be blamed for the collapse, rather than the banksters. “They” would tell the American people that the evil Chinese are to blame for the death of the dollar, and anyone who resists the “emergency measures” by the US government would be accused of aiding the enemy. They would say “domestic extremists took advantage of the Chinese economic attack on us to push their own racist and extremist anti-government agenda, making the collapse worse by attacking peace-keepers and international relief volunteers, and by attacking and resisting US officials who were trying to restore law and order.”
It is because of the systemic weakness of the American people, and our strategic checkmate position of having no strategic food storage and no effective local security, that we feel the need to take Oath Keepers operational and put our focus on each chapter being a training cadre to get their communities as prepared and organized as possible in whatever time we have left.
We urge you to presume the worst in the short term, and to work in three or four month sprints – assume that a collapse will be triggered this fall/winter and do all you can to get yourselves and your communities ready.
If it doesn’t happen in the next four months, then do another sprint, of three or four more months of preparation. And keep going until it happens – which it will eventually, no matter what anyone does. The dollar is doomed.

Also, this

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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 11:24:33 PM »
Interesting.

Anyone here a member?
In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 07:42:45 AM »
So if their scenario is right shooting in all directions is the order of the day?  Great, just say "worst case scenario, ever!", OK?

Banding together makes sense, but I cannot help but wonder if joining a group like this is entirely "risk free". 

Obviously the Fedcoats must be watching these people, heck, I bet they even have some infiltrators among them.  What are the chances people could be sold out by traitors in their midst right before X-Day?  Does it make more sense to organize at the family/friend level instead to vastly reduce the infiltration risk?
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 07:57:00 AM »
So if their scenario is right shooting in all directions is the order of the day?  Great, just say "worst case scenario, ever!", OK?

Banding together makes sense, but I cannot help but wonder if joining a group like this is entirely "risk free". 

Obviously the Fedcoats must be watching these people, heck, I bet they even have some infiltrators among them.  What are the chances people could be sold out by traitors in their midst right before X-Day?  Does it make more sense to organize at the family/friend level instead to vastly reduce the infiltration risk?

This is all ex-military and police, so they have the thin blue line to cross.  Generally, these guys don't rat out their own, and really, the NSA already knows theses guys Military history and probably their politics.  They are already on "the List" - joining and actively participating would just move them up a notch. The idea of course is that this is so widespread and so locally controlled there just isn't a single head they can cut off, and doing so would probably mean full activation of the cell and those around it.  The Revolution video was quite instructive as to how they are considering going about this. However, if what they say about the grain reserve is true ( I didn't know it no longer existed)  its a very  plausible  scenario - starve us all on purpose and then show up to rescue everyone ( under martial law of course)  Let a famine tenderize and weaken us- turn us all into beggars, because beggars are easier to please. OF course I don't think the West and Midwest would be properly starving.. but the East Coast and West cost, would be. Of course that also kills off 70-80% of the entitled broke thugs who are the political base of the would be tyrants. .





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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 08:11:01 AM »
So if their scenario is right shooting in all directions is the order of the day?  Great, just say "worst case scenario, ever!", OK?

Banding together makes sense, but I cannot help but wonder if joining a group like this is entirely "risk free". 

Obviously the Fedcoats must be watching these people, heck, I bet they even have some infiltrators among them.  What are the chances people could be sold out by traitors in their midst right before X-Day?  Does it make more sense to organize at the family/friend level instead to vastly reduce the infiltration risk?

This is all ex-military and police, so they have the thin blue line to cross.  Generally, these guys don't rat out their own, and really, the NSA already knows theses guys Military history and probably their politics.  They are already on "the List" - joining and actively participating would just move them up a notch. The idea of course is that this is so widespread and so locally controlled there just isn't a single head they can cut off, and doing so would probably mean full activation of the cell and those around it.  The Revolution video was quite instructive as to how they are considering going about this. However, if what they say about the grain reserve is true ( I didn't know it no longer existed)  its a very  plausible  scenario - starve us all on purpose and then show up to rescue everyone ( under martial law of course)  Let a famine tenderize and weaken us- turn us all into beggars, because beggars are easier to please. OF course I don't think the West and Midwest would be properly starving.. but the East Coast and West cost, would be. Of course that also kills off 70-80% of the entitled broke thugs who are the political base of the would be tyrants. .

All good points.  I'll have to ponder this some more, it necessarily invokes many considerations simultaneously.  I reckon I need to grid things out to the nth degree.  Much space between alpha and omega.
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 08:17:37 AM »
is this the same org as the Christian Oathkeepers?
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 08:35:53 AM »
is this the same org as the Christian Oathkeepers?

This group claims to be Christian ( for the most part) but the Oath in question is the one Law Enforcement and Military personnel take to defend the Constitution.. so no I don't think they are the same group..

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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 08:41:41 AM »
is this the same org as the Christian Oathkeepers?

I think you might be referring to the men's organization, for men to rededicate themselves to their spouses and families. Isn't that called "Promise Keepers"?
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 08:49:32 AM »
I think you're right, I was thinking of the Promise keepers. Thanks!
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2013, 09:18:53 AM »
This is the scenario that I prep for. Doing quite well in that area, btw.
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Re: Oathkeepers attempting to become "operational"
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2013, 09:59:57 AM »
This is the scenario that I prep for. Doing quite well in that area, btw.

While I agree the scenario is plausible- its in line with my "release a bio weapon" example, but its more problematic for TPTB.    The Cities will indeed implode, but that means a loss of mostly- their useful idiots and supporters. Even in the cities I would expect more conservative types to be prepped and ready- though many may evacuate to rural areas. 3 days without water. 3 Weeks without food.  The Cities will be  ghost towns in the first 2 months. Maybe 3 months  if cannibalism becomes widespread. Survivors will be battle hardened, armed and probably not to glad to see the "Saviors" show up - either because they are brutal criminals or because they are conservative liberty minded folk.  IN the rural areas it will be basically nothing but conservatives left.  Your target population for control  is now 90% liberty minded - and will demand elections in short order.


  In the "chaos" periods, many areas are going to fragment and form their own power structures, who may not lay down arms so Gracefully when TPTB arrive to "save us"  - IN many cases the people- especially in rural areas,  will not starve within 3-6 months. The threat from the cities of looting and gangs will force them to organize an effective militia force, and there  are a lot more people "prepping" at the basic Beans, Bullets and Bullion level  than there were four years ago. .  Most amateurs I am in contact with who looked at me funny at first,  are now armed, stocked with ammo and at least 3 months provisions and a supply of Clean water. The longer TPTB wait to arrive, the more prepared and less in need of help the rural areas will be.  They can't really decapitate the liberty movement, without starting the full one war - there are too many to kill. The whole point of the plan is to have many independent cells.  If word of executions gets around, TPTB won't be greeted as saviors.

And these " Saviors"- where are they coming from? Who is paying them? Just in the food store and ammo the Fed has stocked? With Chaos reigning outside the military bases and these men not being deployed- how many will desert to go home to protect their families? Any order to impose martial law on the American people will probably fragment the military.  And order preventing them from being deployed immediately will probably deplete their ranks. Any overt aggression against liberty leaders would accelerate both effects.
A War in Syria or elsewhere would help with these problems, but alleviate them.

In short, I don't think economic collapse is enough of a disaster by itself  to allow this to succeed. It happened in Argentina- they got by - and without being heavily armed. Its a different culture to be sure, but I don't think its enough to cause the sort of damage they would need to do to really stop a resistance.  You would need an EMP pulse or the Bio -weapon  something that really F's things up for resourceful  individuals.  - Less transportation, no power for pumps for sanitation or even local wells, water, oil, gas etc.  No way to run the tractor. Far less knowledge on how to farm that way etc. the whole "One Second After" scenario.