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Offline sfetter

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Why can't we call it what it is ??
« on: October 04, 2013, 08:14:27 AM »
My frustrations these days are that virtually no one will say that our government is now communist.  All you have to do is look at the facts of how they are governing.  Shut down !!!!!   What shut down  ?????  If I had anything to say about it, I would lock everything up in this country so tight that not a drop of gasoline would move and not a crumb of food would be delivered anywhere in the country.  That's right,  just turn the lights completely.  That is the only way to really get peoples attention.  Certainly, there would be people who would suffer from that.  But I believe that would be nothing compared to the suffering down the road when our government truly gets complete control. 

Oh but me and people like me are radicals !!!!  What the hell do people think we have in Washington !!!   ::gaah::

You cannot be reasonable or have a discussion with these communists.  Oh, but we are the bad ones and should calm down and compromise.  I don't think so.  You can't fight fire by throwing confetti on it.  They have come at our constitution and conservatives with a blow torch and you have to fight fire with fire.

I get so angry at how stupid people are these days.  They have no idea how exceptional our constitution is and how unique our freedoms have been in the world. Only a small handful of people in the public eye will openly say the truth.  Greed, power, and money now rule the day.  It seems nobody really cares.

I guess you just can't fix stupid.  I truly fear what type of life my wife and I will have to live the last third of our lives with so much being stripped away almost on a daily basis.

These days I go back and forth between screaming  and crying a lot. 

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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2013, 08:24:55 AM »
In the face of the Leftists - including the President - calling everyone who didn't vote for them "extremists" and now referring to the GOP as a "faction", it boggles the mind why every single Republican politician does not take every opportunity in front of a microphone, on TV, or in print to call these people who and what they are.

The word "Democrat" should NEVER be uttered without an accompanying "radical", "extreme", "Leftist", "collectivist", etc. Their policies should NEVER be described as anything other than tyrannical, unconstitutional, oppressive, Leftist, and anti-American.

I think calling people "communist" might be the most accurate, but it has been so overused that it would amount to the equivalent of calling someone a Nazi. Somehow, the one doing the labeling becomes the outsider, just by general consensus that the label is impotent and meaningless.

But yes, your point is spot-on.
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2013, 08:39:12 AM »
sfetter, I also believe we are going communist. People tell me no, that we are going socialist. I don't argue, though; socialism is one step away from communism.

This is not the country for which I took an oath to protect and preserve.

I'm glad I'm as old as I am, since I'll be gone when everything goes down the drain, but I fear for our kids and our grandkids and g-grandkids.
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2013, 08:49:24 AM »
Obama is a Marxist.  His government is not.  It's more Fascist than Marxist.  Fascism being a government control of private business (less a couple of high profile government owned).

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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2013, 08:55:19 AM »
I still don't believe that he qualifies as a legal citizen to be president. There is no proof at all. And why else would he seal every one of his historical records to they are not available for review?
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2013, 09:03:20 AM »
I still don't believe that he qualifies as a legal citizen to be president. There is no proof at all. And why else would he seal every one of his historical records to they are not available for review?

There is no other reason than he has things to hide. None. And the fact that the media ignores this is unforgivable.
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2013, 09:05:09 AM »
You are absolutely correct on both points.
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2013, 10:32:04 AM »
My frustrations these days are that virtually no one will say that our government is now communist. 

Its not Communist. Its is Fascist.  IDP is right, its like calling them NAZI's but I don't have a word for otherwise.
Under Communism all property is owned by the State. Under Fascism, Cronies own property, but such property is under the control of the State.  All institutions are bullied using State power to serve or those institutions are destroyed and disbanded. Need proof: Obamacare. The Energy Industry.  Higher and lower education. Every single Damn "Christian " church that teaches Social Justice as if Christ himself had been a Marxist.
 
The people who followed Hilter and Mussolini  on the "third way" were leftists- and there really is NO difference between Socialism and Fascism, unless its one of degree.  In socialism the government has X amount of control - and subject to limits , and in Fascism it has no limits.  Well,the Bill of rights is null and void. They violate the 1st amendment by forcing you to pay for abortions and contraception. They violate the second in many jurisdictions,  the 3rd was violated recently when police took over a neighbors home for a surveillance operation. They have violate the 4ths in so many ways by NSA Spying, the Boston searches,  etc.  Amendment V and IV are null and void with this administrations declaration that it may kill and execute anyone they please at any time they please without trial - GM Bonds Holder and MF Global account holders were also denied their property rights, Obamacare imposes excessive fines (1% or more of income) for exercising your own conscience and not going along with their evil scheme, and the 9th and 10th amendments have been ignored so long people laugh when you mention them. With the IRS targeting we have been denied equal protection under the laws.

This government is obviously not limited - even by the document that forms it.  This is FASCISM, not Socialism.  It won't be communism if and until  Obama declares private property abolished, and I can almost guarantee that won't happen.
"Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz"is thier battlecry and thier justification for tryanny- for the sacrifice of individuals on their altar of "community"   They are in every meaningful way, fascists.  And you can expect them to progrss to the inevitable prgrams and mass killing the left always engages in when in power- be they "socialist", "Marxist", "Communist", or "fascist"

The label they apply is irrelevant. The label describes specific polices, and you simply confirm with them the facts of those polices and ask them what label THEY would place upon them. They will fall dead silent lacking a word that carries the "happy" connotation they wish to apply.

Bottom line, you must start denying them the sanction of the victim. You must make them confront their own beleif that YOU are not a person to them, but an object to them. Something to be used, discarded or destroyed as they see fit to reach their goal. A tool with no rights - and no freedoms- because freedom isn't what you have left over after other people have made demands at gunpoint.  Make them understand that voting to use a gun against others is the SAME THING functionally as picking one up and using it yourself.  Just because you do it as part of a gang doesn't make it any more legitimate than 10 guys voting to gang rape a woman in alley. They deny Legitimate power comes from the consent of the governed, and believing it instead comes from the barrel of a gun. That is why they don't care what the Constitution says or what they agreed to do. The constitution is the first  GUN CONTROL law.  It was supposed to control the use of the Government's Guns! Is was to ensure the govt is our servant and not our master as THEY think it SHOULD BE.

This is true of EVERY LEFTY. Those in power and the clueless morons who vote for them. They ALL BELIEVE that might makes right. It is the reason that EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM IS GUILTY, and EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE SHUNNED and removed from your life as the  IMMORAL FERAL BARBARIANS they are, be they 18 or 90.  It is the reason that in a just world every one of them would be brutally tortured and killed.  There is no reason they should be treated as if they have rights, because every one of them has acted to deny you  yours. No mercy.

 




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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2013, 10:35:14 AM »
Marxism, communism, statist, progressives, socialism, blah blah blah are all kissing cousins of the same.

They are all anti-capitalism. Enuff said, well anti-liberty, anti-freedom and anti-individualism. Ok, never say "enuff said".
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2013, 11:41:13 AM »
National Socialist, fascist rat bastard by any other name...

But the great unwashed don't care so long as they get their free sh*t!

Welcome to the end my friend...

We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2013, 11:49:37 AM »
Yes. There's really one -ism that covers this mish-mash of various other -isms, and that's authoritarianism. Whether they are true believer Marxists, or more of the Mussolini style fascists, the one thing they are definitely is authoritarian. Like Weisshaupt stated above, Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz, basically "community before individuals", is the collectivist battle cry. Their Nazi forebears left us with another term that describes this ideology: Gleichschaltung. This is a term they coopted from electrical engineering, it means basically "synchronization", by which they meant bringing all facets of life into line with the party's ideology. It's not about defeating opponents to them, it's about eliminating the very possibility of there ever being opponents to any aspect of their dogma.

We can look to dictatorial regimes of the past and certainly see common threads, but I think the particular iteration unfolding around us right now is something novel. Modern technology has given the state capabilities that were fanciful just a few decades ago. They've been executing a soft kill for multiple generations already. The reason the proverbial boiling frog is starting to twitch a bit now is because their soft kill is approaching its terminal conditions, which require them to start becoming more overt in order to get into the end zone. It's a quickening.
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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2013, 12:46:05 PM »
My frustrations these days are that virtually no one will say that our government is now communist. 

Its not Communist. Its is Fascist.  IDP is right, its like calling them NAZI's but I don't have a word for otherwise.
Under Communism all property is owned by the State. Under Fascism, Cronies own property, but such property is under the control of the State.  All institutions are bullied using State power to serve or those institutions are destroyed and disbanded. Need proof: Obamacare. The Energy Industry.  Higher and lower education. Every single Damn "Christian " church that teaches Social Justice as if Christ himself had been a Marxist.
 
The people who followed Hilter and Mussolini  on the "third way" were leftists- and there really is NO difference between Socialism and Fascism, unless its one of degree.  In socialism the government has X amount of control - and subject to limits , and in Fascism it has no limits.  Well,the Bill of rights is null and void. They violate the 1st amendment by forcing you to pay for abortions and contraception. They violate the second in many jurisdictions,  the 3rd was violated recently when police took over a neighbors home for a surveillance operation. They have violate the 4ths in so many ways by NSA Spying, the Boston searches,  etc.  Amendment V and IV are null and void with this administrations declaration that it may kill and execute anyone they please at any time they please without trial - GM Bonds Holder and MF Global account holders were also denied their property rights, Obamacare imposes excessive fines (1% or more of income) for exercising your own conscience and not going along with their evil scheme, and the 9th and 10th amendments have been ignored so long people laugh when you mention them. With the IRS targeting we have been denied equal protection under the laws.

This government is obviously not limited - even by the document that forms it.  This is FASCISM, not Socialism.  It won't be communism if and until  Obama declares private property abolished, and I can almost guarantee that won't happen.
"Gemeinnutz geht vor eigennutz"is thier battlecry and thier justification for tryanny- for the sacrifice of individuals on their altar of "community"   They are in every meaningful way, fascists.  And you can expect them to progrss to the inevitable prgrams and mass killing the left always engages in when in power- be they "socialist", "Marxist", "Communist", or "fascist"

The label they apply is irrelevant. The label describes specific polices, and you simply confirm with them the facts of those polices and ask them what label THEY would place upon them. They will fall dead silent lacking a word that carries the "happy" connotation they wish to apply.

Bottom line, you must start denying them the sanction of the victim. You must make them confront their own beleif that YOU are not a person to them, but an object to them. Something to be used, discarded or destroyed as they see fit to reach their goal. A tool with no rights - and no freedoms- because freedom isn't what you have left over after other people have made demands at gunpoint.  Make them understand that voting to use a gun against others is the SAME THING functionally as picking one up and using it yourself.  Just because you do it as part of a gang doesn't make it any more legitimate than 10 guys voting to gang rape a woman in alley. They deny Legitimate power comes from the consent of the governed, and believing it instead comes from the barrel of a gun. That is why they don't care what the Constitution says or what they agreed to do. The constitution is the first  GUN CONTROL law.  It was supposed to control the use of the Government's Guns! Is was to ensure the govt is our servant and not our master as THEY think it SHOULD BE.

This is true of EVERY LEFTY. Those in power and the clueless morons who vote for them. They ALL BELIEVE that might makes right. It is the reason that EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEM IS GUILTY, and EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE SHUNNED and removed from your life as the  IMMORAL FERAL BARBARIANS they are, be they 18 or 90.  It is the reason that in a just world every one of them would be brutally tortured and killed.  There is no reason they should be treated as if they have rights, because every one of them has acted to deny you  yours. No mercy.

Wonderful explanation.  I really enjoyed reading it.  Just wish it was not happening.  I do think that someday they will go after private property.  There are already a lot of programs which are quietly going that direction.

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Re: Why can't we call it what it is ??
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2013, 01:14:23 PM »
I do think that someday they will go after private property.  There are already a lot of programs which are quietly going that direction.

They may, but I doubt it.  When you own something, you become responsible for it - especially if it fails. Why should the govt take that risk. What they want is control. If someone else "owns" it they have a built in patsy and scapegoat to blame for any failure. Because they have defacto control, and can take anything from the enterprise, or direct it to do anything,   private ownership on paper is not  a benefit, but a hindrance.  Ownership means nothing without control of your so called "property" - but the longer they can keep up the ruse, the better.