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Offline whimsicalmamapig

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those great old movies
« on: October 15, 2013, 03:42:18 PM »
It has dawned on me in the past few years to re-evaluate my opinions of all the movies I have enjoyed in my life.

By this, I mean that I have revisited many of them and have viewed them in the light of what "political" or "social" messages that were being pushed by a very leftist Hollywood. I find this verging on paranoia on my part, but I can't help but consider how young minds were systematically inculcated with values and lifestyles that have had tragic consequences in light of the current state of our culture.

I would be interested in viewing other people's thoughts on this subject. I have even been re-reading college textbooks and finding definite slants in interpretations of history and now if an archeological text refers to global warming and man's impact on the planet, I just quit reading it as I know it is packed with agenda driven ideas that I do not want to take the time to sort out.

should some conservative think tank initiate a study on the propaganda in 1950-1970 tv and movie productions that influenced the "hippie movements that greatly helped create the mess we are in.  after all, the beach boys music was all about the self and youth's quest for self-fulfillment. how many songs from this period speak to any thing other than self gratification?

it is almost as if the secret socialist attempt to control our government was working separately but parallel to the growing narcissism of a generation that was given too much of everything, including idle time.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2013, 03:53:46 PM »
I don't know about old movies but this book:
Primetime Propaganda: The True Hollywood Story of How the Left Took Over Your TVdetails how even the old shows you might consider old-fashioned and traditional often had a liberal agenda.

He quotes several tv show creators who openly stated that their goal was to change society through their shows.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2013, 04:21:56 PM »
A couple examples of movies that have taken on a whole new meaning for me after re-watching with a conservative eye are "American History X" and "Dances With Wolves".

Both are films I took at face value when I first saw them. Both are absolute Leftist propaganda pieces in retrospect.

Re; AHX, how could ANYONE side with Ed Norton's awful portrayal of a murdering neo-Nazi with a swaztika tattooed on his chest? Cleverly, what Oliver Stone did was attach mainstream conservative opinions about immigration, race, and welfare to Norton's loathsome Derek Vinyard character. That puts me in the position of identifying my own views with this loathsome character. If I was an ideologically unaware person or a young person, I might not make that connection, and might instead believe that those mainstream views are the radical hateful views.

For instance, when Vinyard went off an a diatribe about illegal aliens, it began as an open dinner-table discussion and calm recitation of the mainstream conservative viewpoint, but it then escalated, and ended with Vinyard spewing spittle-flecked racial epithets, and physically abusing his sister and mother.

That kind of propaganda makes up almost the entire film - the mainstream conservative view is articulated, and then the actions and words of the person averring it are heinous.

"Dances With Wolves" is one long homage to the "White man bad/Indian good" stereotype, and the idea that the only way a White man can be good is to the degree that he is like an Indian.

Both movies are beloved by me. I am emotionally moved by both, and think the films and performances are stellar. But yeah. Seeing them now is totally different than when I first saw them.

On the other end of the spectrum is a film like "Rocky". There is no question in retrospect that the Rocky story is Christian allegory.

It is no mistake that the very first thing you see is the face of Jesus Christ on a mural, and the entire story is filled with Rocky living out Christian principles such as Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

He is everlastingly devoted to his wife until her death. He shows kindness to the poor. He advises young people to abandon poor behavior. He is moved by his conscience. He is honest. He is patient and slow to anger. He does not lash out in retribution. He prays before every fight. He never curses. He forgives, and is quick to do so.

It couldn't be more clear to me that Sylvester Stallone was either stealthily working a Christian message into the series, or, he was used by Holy Spirit to bring that character to the screen. Either way, once I saw it, I could never unsee it. The film (and to a somewhat lesser extent, the entire series) took on a whole new meaning for me.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2013, 04:45:44 PM »
Dances with Wolves--I suspected it's message was liberal so never saw it.
Much the same with many, many other movies.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2013, 05:07:57 PM »
Dances with Wolves--I suspected it's message was liberal so never saw it.
Much the same with many, many other movies.

Even still, it's an absolutely beautiful movie. The musical score alone is worth watching the movie. The score set against the vast plains of South Dakota takes your breath away.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2013, 05:16:39 PM »
I'm stuck by the love of America, more than anything, watching anything from before...oh... 1990 maybe, 1980 certainly.


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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2013, 05:38:08 PM »
"Dances With Wolves" is one long homage to the "White man bad/Indian good" stereotype, and the idea that the only way a White man can be good is to the degree that he is like an Indian.

Yeah, I never liked Snoozes With Wolves from the first time I saw it.  It also has one of the absolutely worst actresses working today, Mary McConnell.  She has all the charisma, pathos and emotion of a dusty potted house plant left in the summer house over the winter, that is to say, dead.

I like the sophisticated and witty dialogue of the older movies, especially the six Thin Man movies.

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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2013, 05:54:27 PM »
The Thin Man!

"Please serve the nuts."

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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2013, 08:23:45 AM »
Actors, scripts...it all seemed better in the Golden Age of film...

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« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2013, 08:52:18 AM »
Nick and Nora Charles.  Can't resist.  If one can have a crush on a woman before his time, then for me that woman is Myrna Loy.

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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2013, 09:49:36 AM »
Nick and Nora Charles.  Can't resist.  If one can have a crush on a woman before his time, then for me that woman is Myrna Loy.


ah, gee,I shouldn't have watched that! now all day I'm going to want to watch The Thin Man
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2013, 05:54:34 PM »
I, myself, am a sucker for any fred astair or gene Kelly movie but my favorite dance movie is yankee doodle dandy (except for the FDR part). I don't know if I want to re-visit them looking for hidden communist propaganda  and mary blair at the Disney studios practically ruined the flavor and style of children's cartoons forever.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2013, 07:30:33 PM »
  Most Gregory Peck movies  are what get me. Right now The Tow Jakes in on.(jack nickolson)
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2013, 08:06:14 PM »
does anyone have an opinion as to which director from the 30's to today packaged the most communist crap in their movies? either by decade or in total?
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2013, 09:37:59 PM »
That fat leftist bastard Moore comes to mind...if you call his crap movies...
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
I have little good to say about Ted Turner.
But, I do watch TCM for some good old ones

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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2013, 01:12:34 AM »
does anyone have an opinion as to which director from the 30's to today packaged the most communist crap in their movies? either by decade or in total?

Oliver Stone would have to be right up there.

should some conservative think tank initiate a study on the propaganda in 1950-1970 tv and movie productions that influenced the "hippie movements that greatly helped create the mess we are in.  after all, the beach boys music was all about the self and youth's quest for self-fulfillment. how many songs from this period speak to any thing other than self gratification?

Two things...

Hard to beat up on the Beach Boys since they were clean and decent in their public persona compared to their contemporaries who were mostly drug addled. Heck, they were Ronald Reagan's choice to perform in DC during the 4th of July festivities every year during his presidency.

And, in my opinion, the hippie movement influenced the movies rather than the other way around. You have to remember that there is almost ZERO originality that comes out of Hwood. They borrow from everywhere but particularly and especially from whatever is hot in pop culture because, to their way of thinking, whatever that is will sell movie tickets regardless of how crappy a product they churn out.
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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2013, 03:17:38 PM »
Never liked Dances with Wolves.   It was about 45 minutes too long,  thought it was over at one point and it went another half hour!   Its a loooooooong movie.......

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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2013, 03:41:13 PM »
LV, here's After The Thin Man free.  I found this on a BING search of 'full length movies'.  You might find the others.

What's 1 hour, 12 minutes and 13 seconds among friends?

http://viooz.co/movies/19841-after-the-thin-man-1936.html

And The Thin Man Goes Home.

http://viooz.co/movies/19838-the-thin-man-goes-home-1945.html

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Re: those great old movies
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2013, 04:09:26 PM »
Three old faves:

  • Twelve Angry Men (Henry Fonda version)
  • To Kill a Mockingbird
  • The Wizard of Oz
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