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Offline trapeze

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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2013, 10:37:25 PM »
My stored food has been growing steadily since I started several months back. I am doing especially well with distilled liquor which, I believe, will have some value. Nice collection of wine, too. Ammo collection is in the many thousands so I'm in pretty good shape there. Have quite a bit of stored water. Have quite a bit of stored propane. I live in the woods so firewood is literally everywhere. So is an abundant supply of deer and elk along with several dozen other edible species. Since I live very close to farm and ranch lands there will be a good food supply available. Same with lakes and streams.

I live in a bug out location. The only way I would be in trouble is if I happened to be traveling when things go bad.

I own my own home...in another few years I will own a second one and that is in Texas...about the most free state left. I own five vehicles...one my antique project Jeep which should be completely renovated come spring...and the rest are all either reasonably new or well maintained. Need to work on gasoline storage.

Other places that need work: Off grid power. Solar hot water.

I have a LOT of mechanical skills which, in my opinion, have a lot of barter value.

So that's where I'm invested. No stocks, no bonds, no super large amount in the bank. Several real estate properties that are owned outright and a lot of food, guns, ammunition. I'm at peace with this situation.
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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2013, 07:13:27 AM »
The companies are diversifed all over the world, now.  One banana republic in North America isn't enough to make most go under.

One Banana Republic in North America is responsible for 1/4 of world GDP.  Know of any businesses that can easily take a hit to 1/4 of their revenue if these businesses are distributed roughly by GDP?  If they are North American centric it will be even worse.
Economies all over the world - especially in the worlds largest market, have huge dollar reserves - and use the dollar as the medium of exchange. When the dollar goes, how much will they be purchasing? The effect will be global, and one banana republic with the reserve currency int North America might very well take down a international or two.  Its a cascadeing failure that will reach well beyond our borders.

Yup!

Why else do central planners the world over bail each other out and cover each others asses so often?  They know!
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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2013, 07:15:23 AM »
My stored food has been growing steadily since I started several months back. I am doing especially well with distilled liquor which, I believe, will have some value. Nice collection of wine, too. Ammo collection is in the many thousands so I'm in pretty good shape there. Have quite a bit of stored water. Have quite a bit of stored propane. I live in the woods so firewood is literally everywhere. So is an abundant supply of deer and elk along with several dozen other edible species. Since I live very close to farm and ranch lands there will be a good food supply available. Same with lakes and streams.

I live in a bug out location. The only way I would be in trouble is if I happened to be traveling when things go bad.

I own my own home...in another few years I will own a second one and that is in Texas...about the most free state left. I own five vehicles...one my antique project Jeep which should be completely renovated come spring...and the rest are all either reasonably new or well maintained. Need to work on gasoline storage.

Other places that need work: Off grid power. Solar hot water.

I have a LOT of mechanical skills which, in my opinion, have a lot of barter value.

So that's where I'm invested. No stocks, no bonds, no super large amount in the bank. Several real estate properties that are owned outright and a lot of food, guns, ammunition. I'm at peace with this situation.

You are well ahead of the game my friend!   ::thumbsup::
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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2013, 07:34:53 AM »
So that's where I'm invested. No stocks, no bonds, no super large amount in the bank. Several real estate properties that are owned outright and a lot of food, guns, ammunition. I'm at peace with this situation.

The "problem" with this model is that there is almost zero chance for growth ( unless some of the properties are rentals.. and then you may become subject to rent control, or simply be unable to evict squatters  if things are bad enough.  The may also be  other regulatory issues. (All landlords must pay for utilities, internet, or other "rights")  It benefit is that you are not likely to loose much as the collapse occurs. Others are gamblers - they want to the growth,and ZIRP has ensured there is no such thing as an investment. You have to play the casino if you want to get ahead of inflation (your rents should track it. they won't improve upon it) 

This has largely been my approach , except I am not so lucky as to live in my bug-out location, and that means one place is more ready than another,and  many preps are split between the two.   I still have a modest mortgage (small, but there)  and some large ( to me) bank balances.. trying to take money out of the IRA  over several years instead of in a big chunk that pushes us into AMT and the next tax bracket - and while I don't have Millions to spend, it sometimes feels like I am in Brewsters Millions.  Its really hard to spend that money wisely.  Do we get this farm implement? This irrigation system? Do We duplicate the PV system at the Farm?  Do we need a Bio_diesel rig? Or rely on getting to bugout if the lights go out? Do we leave anything in the IRA?  How much to keep in reserve for that car repair, that pump failure etc.  Its also debatable if I have real barter-able skills in a collapse- at least beyond those of a day laborer. 

Just keep in mind Trap that "plentiful game" will become far less plentiful when people are hungry. The hunting laws will be ignored, and salt licks and other bait will be used.  The ranchers around you may feel their cows are their food source, and may not be willing to sell, and will also be dealing with Rustlers.  There are some fertile places in the Colorado Rockies, but they are unable to sustain the populations in the cities near them. Durango and Gunnison will be a problem to the areas surrounding them.. though have big of an area will depend on circumstances.   It only takes one gang of looters to be a problem to you personally.  Even smaller towns like  Ouray, Silverton  etc could be a problem. Hungry is hungry.
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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2013, 11:02:14 PM »
   It only takes one gang of looters to be a problem to you personally.... Hungry is hungry.

We shouldn't be thinking strictly in terms of "one man against the world". When the inevitable happens I'll get my family come back home and we'll join a group of like-minded individuals that will respawn a new society. The guns, bullets, skills and barter material mean that I will have value in the group. We'll work, trade, barter our skills and survive.

When planning your survival stocks, remember things like portable two way radios and whistles. Buy a flare gun and some flares. Plan for communication to bring your group together to battle those gangs of looters. Learn some skills for establishing and defending a perimeter. If you've spent your life in the military you've got them in you. Be the nucleus for the new, better society. That society will be based on American principles that used to be so important that they were taught in schools and hammered into us like religion.

Shamefully it is now our own government that is teaching kids that everything we believe in is wrong and everything America used to stand for is evil and corrupt. I'm ready for the crash. Mentally and (hopefully) physically. It will be sad to see the suffering it causes but sadder still because it will mean we blew our chance at greatness as a nation. We were once so strong and noble and we have become so petty and weak. I guess it's time for a reboot. I am not afraid.

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Re: How long should we wait?
« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2013, 11:33:28 AM »
I'm not ready for either but will embrace both. Change is necessary and in this case absolute one way or the other.  ::thumbsup::

The only thing for certain is death and taxes and they can't collect taxes from those that they can't find or don't work. As for death, well, you can die of starvation, lead poisoning from attempts at stealing food or you can go down fighting. I have little doubt it will be the latter for me.

Love of my fellow man has become contempt for them. It is after all, their own fault for following the left blindly and soemtimes willingly....wait most of the time willingly.

Damn them all to hell for not heading God's word. The devil will be quite the busy demon with so many diseased souls. He may repent for his actions from the beginning when the load of sh*t comes his way. He'll be buried in whining liberals from head to toe. Serves him right.
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