Topic: EPA Regs shut down last Lead Smelter

[Weisshaupt]

We now can't smelt lead in our own nation

Anyone still question this administration's designs against the American people?

[oldcoastie6468]

We now can't smelt lead in our own nation

Anyone still question this administration's designs against the American people?

I never had any question(s) about that. He was a communist from the start.

[Libertas]

Asshole!  And if he thinks this will slow down ammo mfg's I got two words for him "Chinese lead"!

All he did was f**k more people out of jobs!

All those losing work know who to hold accountable!

Go git 'em!

[Glock32]

So what is the military supposed to use?  I know they've got a hard-on for leadless bullets, but can that really be a general issue replacement? There's all sorts of considerations in changing to a leadless bullet -- sectional density, mass, terminal performance. I can't see leadless bullets being a good choice for long range work, they lose energy too quickly and are more vulnerable to wind drift. And if you try to keep the same overall bullet mass, you end up with a projectile much longer than a lead one. At that point you have issues like rifling twist rate, headspacing, and decreased case volume.

And the biggest consideration of all is cost. Copper is a lot more expensive than lead.

[oldcoastie6468]

I have lead ammo.

[LadyVirginia]

I have lead ammo.

I thought that went down with the boat too.

[Pandora]

I have lead ammo.

I thought that went down with the boat too.

He's old (it's right in his nic, see?) and he forgets things.   

[warpmine]

Uranium makes for an even heavier bullet as it's denser. If he were a communist, he wouldn't give a rat's ass about the environmental concern one bit. It's far worst than that folks, he hates our country so friggin bad that he'll stop at nothing to destroy it. The retards at the Secret Service haven't figured this out or he's be a stain on the ground/wall.

[oldcoastie6468]

I have lead ammo.

I thought that went down with the boat too.

I didn't have ALL of my supplies on that damned boat.

[OldSailor]

I have lead ammo.

I thought that went down with the boat too.

I didn't have ALL of my supplies on that damned boat.

Heh!   

[Libertas]

Notice he didn't deny forgetting stuff.

Wait, who are we talkin' 'bout here?

[warpmine]

We use lead often in Roofing for flashing drains and pipes on flat hot asphalt roofing. It's very soft and easy to mold so one again, the fukcing government is going to push prices up.

I tell you my friends, I'm going to miss my baby daughter growing up as the progs have lit the fuse that's connected to my already poor attitude toward government and 't going to make a rather large boom!

[Bammit]

The retards at the Secret Service haven't figured this out or he's be a stain on the ground/wall.

The Secret Service has taken an oath to protect the person who holds the office of president. Period.
They would never dishonor that vow, themselves or the Service by abrogating that responsibility for personal reasons...political or otherwise. Ever.

[Weisshaupt]

The retards at the Secret Service haven't figured this out or he's be a stain on the ground/wall.

The Secret Service has taken an oath to protect the person who holds the office of president. Period.
They would never dishonor that vow, themselves or the Service by abrogating that responsibility for personal reasons...political or otherwise. Ever.

They would also never hire hookers with taxpayer money. And the IRS would never target political opposition. And Journalists endeavor to be objective  in their reporting, as do Public School teachers. And You can keep your healthcare. And 100% of the vote going for one candidate is normal. And that Birth  Certificate with the obvious forgery layers,  hey that is real too.

Sorry to break it to you, but this guy isn't the President of the United States , or he would act like one.
The second he declared he could Murder US citizens on US Soil without a trial,he proved he was not President of the United States of America. That republic has fallen. That country and its office of President no longer exist. And that man should be executed for treason for his COUP.  Fundamentally transforming America requires an Amendment of the Constitution. He didn't. He and his government are illegitimate, and deserve nothing but to be tortured to death in a long, slow painful process. And that goes for his followers too.

   

[Septugenarian]

So what is the military supposed to use?  I know they've got a hard-on for leadless bullets, but can that really be a general issue replacement? There's all sorts of considerations in changing to a leadless bullet -- sectional density, mass, terminal performance. I can't see leadless bullets being a good choice for long range work, they lose energy too quickly and are more vulnerable to wind drift. And if you try to keep the same overall bullet mass, you end up with a projectile much longer than a lead one. At that point you have issues like rifling twist rate, headspacing, and decreased case volume.

And the biggest consideration of all is cost. Copper is a lot more expensive than lead.

Depleted uranium, maybe for the military.  It has the mass, it's been used for years for armor.  That said, I have no clue what it might do to rifling.  Civilian ammo is going keep costing more, which, of course, is part of the strategy.

[warpmine]

So what is the military supposed to use?  I know they've got a hard-on for leadless bullets, but can that really be a general issue replacement? There's all sorts of considerations in changing to a leadless bullet -- sectional density, mass, terminal performance. I can't see leadless bullets being a good choice for long range work, they lose energy too quickly and are more vulnerable to wind drift. And if you try to keep the same overall bullet mass, you end up with a projectile much longer than a lead one. At that point you have issues like rifling twist rate, headspacing, and decreased case volume.

And the biggest consideration of all is cost. Copper is a lot more expensive than lead.

Depleted uranium, maybe for the military.  It has the mass, it's been used for years for armor.  That said, I have no clue what it might do to rifling.  Civilian ammo is going keep costing more, which, of course, is part of the strategy.

Think of it this way, lead is uranium that has decayed so it's going to be soft as well. That's why there's so much of it laying around in huge deposits.

[Dan]

I saw this the other day, and reading into it, I discovered US Troops are using Russian and Chinese ammo already! The name Tul came up as one I recognize.
Destroying our country and enriching our enemies while endangering our security.
And ya know, I can't even lay the whole thing at the D's feet!

[Libertas]

The retards at the Secret Service haven't figured this out or he's be a stain on the ground/wall.

The Secret Service has taken an oath to protect the person who holds the office of president. Period.
They would never dishonor that vow, themselves or the Service by abrogating that responsibility for personal reasons...political or otherwise. Ever.

They would also never hire hookers with taxpayer money. And the IRS would never target political opposition. And Journalists endeavor to be objective  in their reporting, as do Public School teachers. And You can keep your healthcare. And 100% of the vote going for one candidate is normal. And that Birth  Certificate with the obvious forgery layers,  hey that is real too.

Sorry to break it to you, but this guy isn't the President of the United States , or he would act like one.
The second he declared he could Murder US citizens on US Soil without a trial,he proved he was not President of the United States of America. That republic has fallen. That country and its office of President no longer exist. And that man should be executed for treason for his COUP.  Fundamentally transforming America requires an Amendment of the Constitution. He didn't. He and his government are illegitimate, and deserve nothing but to be tortured to death in a long, slow painful process. And that goes for his followers too.

 

Heil, Obama!  Long Live the Praetorians!

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