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Offline Fritz Pettyjohn

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Obama is the new Hoover
« on: October 28, 2013, 05:43:58 PM »
Obamacare will be for the Democrats what the Great Depression was for Republicans: a millstone around their necks for a generation.  It's evolving from a fiasco to a catastrophe.  Big media will be forced, to retain a shred of credibility, to stop covering for him.  Only pure propaganda outlets like the New York Times will remain loyal.
Many patriots despaired after the last election, but now we have cause to hope.
If you know any uninsured young people, please take the time to explain to them why they need not, and should not, sign up for Obamacare.
If we stay strong we can save our country.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2013, 06:33:39 PM »
Ah, an optimist! Thanks for your take Fritz.

The country was able to come out of the Great Depression. They didn't have $16T in debt and $100T in unfunded liabilities to dig out from under. One could argue they had other pressing challenges, but in my view, none so existentially threatening as our utter fiscal insolvency.

Media has thrown their lot in with the Leftists. Credibility is a non-factor, so long as they have the ideology of lies for which to produce propaganda.

I do think it is worth every shred of effort to make people understand that the pain they are experiencing is because of the Leftists and their prime enablers: the GOP establishment.

Stay strong, as you say. Resist the tyranny of Obamacare, as you say.

To what end? For me, while it is worth the fight, I don't see a concrete picture of what victory looks like anymore. I fight for principle.
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2013, 07:55:54 PM »
Ah, an optimist! Thanks for your take Fritz.

The country was able to come out of the Great Depression. They didn't have $16T in debt and $100T in unfunded liabilities to dig out from under. One could argue they had other pressing challenges, but in my view, none so existentially threatening as our utter fiscal insolvency.


We also had a World War that helped bring us out of that depression, this time the World War will be fought on American soil.   ::pullhair::
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2013, 08:16:34 PM »
I'll take "Things That Suck" for $500, Alex.


Oh, I'm sorry the correct response was "Who Is President NotMe?"
In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2013, 08:16:51 PM »
Ah, an optimist! Thanks for your take Fritz.

The country was able to come out of the Great Depression. They didn't have $16T in debt and $100T in unfunded liabilities to dig out from under. One could argue they had other pressing challenges, but in my view, none so existentially threatening as our utter fiscal insolvency.


We also had a World War that helped bring us out of that depression, this time the World War will be fought on American soil.   ::pullhair::


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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2013, 08:17:22 PM »
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2013, 08:37:33 PM »
Plus...they found the missing girl from the DumbassCare website:


Question: How much does BO suck?

Let's ask his most vermin faced adviser, Valerie Jarrett:

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“I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is. . . . He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually. . . . So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy. . . . He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.”

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In a doomsday scenario, hippies will be among the first casualties. So not everything about doomsday will be bad.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2013, 11:21:57 PM »
So, IronDioPriest, did the patriots of Lexington and Concord have a "concrete picture of what victory looks like?"
I think you understand what's at stake.  I'm just saying Obamacare represents a shift in the whole narrative.  It is such a colossal disaster that, for the next year or two, enough of our fellow citizens will be forced to confront the failure of the whole leftist project. 

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 12:53:23 AM »
So, IronDioPriest, did the patriots of Lexington and Concord have a "concrete picture of what victory looks like?"

Rank and file, probably not. Founders absolutely. At least I think they had a clearer picture than I do. They had, after all, reached the conclusion that a separation was necessary at the expense of bloodshed. The vision was killing enough British troops to win complete independence. The Declaration indicates a coalescence of vision, at least among those who drafted and signed it. They fought the war to manifest the Declaration. So yeah, they had at least a more clear vision of what victory looked like to them than I do now.

What I do know is that victory doesn't look like the Republican Party gaining a majority. It doesn't look like undoing Obamacare, or turning the political tide against the Leftists. We're past the point where those admittedly satisfying and necessary steps will save the nation.

People recoiling from Obamacare will not necessarily result in them rejecting Leftism as a philosophy. Even if it did, it does not address the divide. It only hopes to marshall political forces for a political reconciliation, in which those of us who love liberty regain a slim political majority, while tens of millions come back to the well, looking for entitlements even more enslaving than Obamacare.

The actions of the Leftists against liberty are more offensive than those suffered by the founders. We haven't yet reached the point of risking everything for liberty.

I think you understand what's at stake.  I'm just saying Obamacare represents a shift in the whole narrative.  It is such a colossal disaster that, for the next year or two, enough of our fellow citizens will be forced to confront the failure of the whole leftist project.

I have a sliver of hope, and zero faith, that the response of the American people confronting the failure of Obamacare will result in them turning against those who offer them even more largesse at the expense of bloodsucking the nation dry. I think it more likely that when people are confronted with this disaster, they will side with those promising them more of what caused the disaster in the first place.
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2013, 02:48:18 AM »
First off, Hoover was not responsible for the Depression.  One key problem from the '20s was buying stocks on margins of 10%, then not being able to pay up when the market went down.  Once the market tanked, there were no cash reserves to put into the market to keep it afloat.  Second, we only got out of the Depression thanks to WWII.  It was FDR's policies that not only kept the Depression lingering far longer than it normally would have lasted, but also increased the severity of the Depression.

Propaganda is a powerful tool.  An example:  I recently spoke with a tech at my medical lab, an immigrant from Pakistan; like every person in the medical profession with whom I've spoken, he fears OwebamaCare.  He's been here since 1984, is now a citizen, with a new child.  He had no clue the Democrats supported slavery, were historically the party of slavery and Jim Crow.  You should have seen his eyes when I told him that.  Same for the 'Hoover was responsible for the Great Depression'.  Like I said, propaganda is a powerful tool, and teachers' unions have done their contractual part to help in that propaganda.

Given that The Jackass Party will never admit failure, hell, they're blaming insurance companies as I type for all the plan cancellations and rate increases, as if they are separate and distinct from the law, there are very few options open to us citizens.  Cause and effect is an alien concept to Dims, as is the Rule of Unintended Consequences.  The only way out is violence.  Period.  The Dims want to 'tinker' with the law, 'fine tune it', so to speak, as if you can fine tune a turd, much less polish it.  The Middle Class are taking it in the shorts, as planned.  For control by progressives to be complete, the Middle Class must be destroyed.  What better way to destroy the Middle Class than to have them foot the insurance/health care costs of those who do not work, to be their slaves.  Historically, name another society where the majority were slaves of the minority, of the poor, instead of the other way around.  Vladimir Ilyich famously said:  The way to crush the Bourgeoisie (the Middle Class) is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation.  OwebamaCare is the largest tax increase in the history of this country, IIRC, surpassing the entire sum of tax increases in the history of this Republic.  Inflation?  Well, anyone going to a grocery store knows the deal on that score.  Couple that with higher insurance rates and higher deductibles and you kill the Middle Class.

There is no way out of this morass without violence, and the sooner the better.

A brief love note I sent today to my two congressbastards and one congressbastardette, Bride of Chucky Schumer, Kirsten 'I Don't Have A Fukcing Clue' Gillibrand and Joseph 'Nancy Pelosi Butt Boy' Crowley:

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I would like to thank you for voting for The Unaffordable Health Insurance and Patient Denied Care Act, as well as standing firm against that teabagging Tea-rrorist Ted Cruz when he tried to defund President Hissy Fit’s signature law.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  I can only wonder when we start shooting you bastards and bastardettes who voted for this piece of sh*t Ponzi scheme that will enslave America.  (It’s funny how the Jackass Party has always been the party of slavery, of segregation, from their beginnings to this very day.)  A quick death is too good for you Owebama cocksucking asshole progressives/commies.

When The Revolution 2.0 starts, don’t say you weren’t warned.

I don't care anymore how offended/scared of being threatened they feel.  I really don't.  It's long past time:  Our Forefathers would be reloading by now.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2013, 05:34:03 AM »
Plus...they found the missing girl from the DumbassCare website:



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Ugh!  I didn't need to see THAT picture so early in the morning. 

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2013, 07:11:58 AM »
The last time America was faced with ruinous ideas it blinked...every time...

1.  Great (Shakedown) Society
2.  The New (Raw) Deal
3.  The Fed(Coat) Revenue Act, the Fed(Coat) Reserve Act

Etc, etc...

Will the response to ObamaCare be the same or different?

Having faith in latter day American's to grow a set and act like liberty-loving people?  Eh.

But all we need is a strong minority of freedom-loving people to fight the final battle...see ya on the front lines.
We are now where The Founders were when they faced despotism.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2013, 07:21:35 AM »
A brief love note I sent today to my two congressbastards and one congressbastardette, Bride of Chucky Schumer, Kirsten 'I Don't Have A Fukcing Clue' Gillibrand and Joseph 'Nancy Pelosi Butt Boy' Crowley:

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I would like to thank you for voting for The Unaffordable Health Insurance and Patient Denied Care Act, as well as standing firm against that teabagging Tea-rrorist Ted Cruz when he tried to defund President Hissy Fit’s signature law.

Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.  I can only wonder when we start shooting you bastards and bastardettes who voted for this piece of sh*t Ponzi scheme that will enslave America.  (It’s funny how the Jackass Party has always been the party of slavery, of segregation, from their beginnings to this very day.)  A quick death is too good for you Owebama cocksucking asshole progressives/commies.

When The Revolution 2.0 starts, don’t say you weren’t warned.

I don't care anymore how offended/scared of being threatened they feel.  I really don't.  It's long past time:  Our Forefathers would be reloading by now.

Let us know how your meeting with the Secret Service goes. I'm not even gonna say you should've restrained yourself. At this point, wherever ones conscience leads...
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2013, 07:29:33 AM »
Let us know how your meeting with the Secret Service goes. I'm not even gonna say you should've restrained yourself. At this point, wherever ones conscience leads...

Like I said, I don't care.  I've had enough.

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2013, 07:44:34 AM »
Let us know how your meeting with the Secret Service goes. I'm not even gonna say you should've restrained yourself. At this point, wherever ones conscience leads...

Like I said, I don't care.  I've had enough.

Hell, I could see those bastards and bastardettes giving you free press time...how can they restrain themselves from citing this as an example of the "terrorism" they've been warning the sheeple about?  You might be famous!  Use that fame wisely.  Get your zingers in fast and hard!  Unmask those devils!

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #15 on: October 29, 2013, 08:37:39 AM »
Libertas, we haven't always blinked in the face of ruinous ideas.  After WW II the socialists of the New Deal didn't want to give up the control of the economy they had achieved in the war, and their labor union allies began a series of strikes which severely disrupted the economy.  This caused the wave election of 1946, which resulted in a rollback of wartime economic controls and the Taft Hartley Act to restrain the unions.
And they didn't have the internet as an organizing tool back then.
I agree that gaining a Repub majority isn't nearly enough.  I think a good start would be an Article V constitutional convention, which would propose an amendment limiting Conressional terms.  Such an amendment would have the support of 80% of the people, Repub and Dem, and could be ratified.  This would fundamentally transform the politics of this country, reasserting the primacy of the states, and the people.
I've been active in politics for 50 years (I'm 68), and I believe this could actually be done.
In honor of those who came before us, I think we're obligated to try.

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« Reply #16 on: October 29, 2013, 09:06:31 AM »
Libertas, we haven't always blinked in the face of ruinous ideas.  After WW II the socialists of the New Deal didn't want to give up the control of the economy they had achieved in the war, and their labor union allies began a series of strikes which severely disrupted the economy.  This caused the wave election of 1946, which resulted in a rollback of wartime economic controls and the Taft Hartley Act to restrain the unions.
And they didn't have the internet as an organizing tool back then.
I agree that gaining a Repub majority isn't nearly enough.  I think a good start would be an Article V constitutional convention, which would propose an amendment limiting Conressional terms.  Such an amendment would have the support of 80% of the people, Repub and Dem, and could be ratified.  This would fundamentally transform the politics of this country, reasserting the primacy of the states, and the people.
I've been active in politics for 50 years (I'm 68), and I believe this could actually be done.
In honor of those who came before us, I think we're obligated to try.

True enough, but 2014 looks a lot different to me than 1946, not that I have first hand comparative knowledge, my father does and he isn't filled with an overabundance of optimism.  I would be shocked to find a majority of democrats favoring term limits, I just do not believe that for a second.  For the sake of argument let us assume your convention is successful and we have term limits...we still have the same pool of people, the same corrupt system and the same media to contend with...I just don't see term-limits by themselves being any kind of lynchpin that saves this nation from reaping what it has sown.  Don't get me wrong, I like optimism, but my role is to raise issues that reality puts before me.  And one of the biggest realities I see is trying to pin any kind of faith in a GOP as currently constituted that is rife with ruling class big government neo-cons.  If you can crack that nut perhaps there is an outside chance to effect a retreat from the cliff's edge.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2013, 09:43:01 AM »
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I have a sliver of hope, and zero faith, that the response of the American people confronting the failure of Obamacare will result in them turning against those who offer them even more largesse at the expense of bloodsucking the nation dry. I think it more likely that when people are confronted with this disaster, they will side with those promising them more of what caused the disaster in the first place.

Truer than you know.

From local forum poster ....

"I am also very unhappy with this insurance aspect of the ACA.  I wish it was Single Payer.  This whole fiasco seems to be designed to make all those individual vulture/maggot insurance companies richer and richer.

I have been very happy with Medicare... no glitches at all.  I wish it was for everyone."

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"Totally expected.  Quick, gouge 'em now.  All I can say is "single payer".   Greed wins out."

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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2013, 10:54:53 AM »
Here's what I think. Before too long - probably State of the Union at the latest - Obama is going to come out and hammer the insurance companies, citing their profit motive as the cause for people being dropped from their insurance. He'll say that when he signed Obamacare, he should have known better than to trust that they would do the right thing by their customers and provide the mandated insurances, and he's now disappointed that they've chosen to harm real families in order to protect their bottom line. He'll cite this as a basic problem with having the private sector involved in the people's health care at all, but he'll blame the Republicans for demanding something less than a "public option", and he'll blame the generic "congress" and the constitutional principle of divided government.

They he'll propose that congress get a bill on his desk right away that provides immediate relief for the millions of people who have lost their health care.

Then the 2014 election becomes about Republicans trying to keep millions of people from seeing the doctor. And then somewhere along the campaign trail, single-payer health care will be pushed as a permanent solution...

I may have the details wrong, or I may be completely wrong. But we all know Obama. Right? We all know that the scenario I just laid out is absolutely within the realm of possibility. We know that it comports with his ultimate goals of single payer. We know that it comports with his Cloward-Piven strategy as it related to overwhelming the health care sector and the economy as a whole.

Whether my prediction is right in the details or not, what it shows is that given what we KNOW about Barack Hussein Obama, the Leftists, and those who voted for hopenchage, at the very least, the Leftists are not out of gas in the tank over this, and are not out of demagogic options.

This is why I have a sliver of hope and little faith.
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Re: Obama is the new Hoover
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2013, 11:05:53 AM »
I cannot understand insurance companies just dropping people from their policies. Wouldn't the normal course of action to ask if they want to increase coverage to accommodate obastardcare?
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