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Offline whimsicalmamapig

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is obama still president?
« on: October 29, 2013, 04:44:11 PM »
Did anyone happen to read the article by VDH today. In it he implies that the country is running on autopilot and the fact that the POTUS is an incompetent boob and/or malicious liar, has little impact since most of the world has tuned him out as inconsequential. the article was in National Review. It portends a great power grab, not by the other2 branches of our balance of power tripod as so greatly envisioned by our founding fathers, but one by an unelected, bureaucracy that is so entrenched with its government unions as to be unassailable.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2013, 05:35:04 PM »
The bureaucrats and their fiefdoms -- this is my worry about term limits.  They must be dealt with.
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« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2013, 05:41:00 PM »
The media, and the bureaucracies, IYKWIMAITYD.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2013, 05:47:22 PM »
Yes, I do know.

OT:  I've been thinking of starting an acronym thread and pinning it.  What say y'all.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2013, 05:52:16 PM »
Yes, I do know.

OT:  I've been thinking of starting an acronym thread and pinning it.  What say y'all.

I think it's a fine idea. Sometimes I forget 'em.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2013, 05:59:26 PM »
Mark Levin refers to the bureaucratic state as the 4th branch of government. He's right about that. The regulatory bureaucracy is more of a threat to liberty than any of the official branches. There's no real accountability, and they even have the nerve to claim that they're not political hirelings, but "civil servants". They issue regulations with the full force of law, but there's no check and balances there. They have a perfunctory public comment period, and aren't bound to abide any of it anyway.

We have to return to first principles: the Congress cannot give away power that it does not itself possess. A lot of what they have theoretically authorized the bureaucracy to do was not theirs to delegate in the first place.

The bureaucracy is definitely the most dangerous element of government. What real accountability is there? They're not elected, and even if you sue them all they do is bring to bear the virtually unlimited legal resources that your taxes paid for. If they lose in court, awards likewise come from your taxes. No skin off their noses.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2013, 06:01:40 PM »
Val Jar has always been the power behind Owebama, making decisions Owebama claims as his own.  Ii's been rumored she ordered the stand down when Benghazi happened and that she was opposed to the bin Laden raid and tried to stop it.  She's a crony Chicago thug slum lord.  I put nothing past that Iranian born scrunt.

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2013, 06:44:56 PM »
I am presently re-reading "The Inheritance of Rome" by Chris Wickham. it is a recent analysis of the area encompassing what had been the roman empire from 500 - 1000 ad.  What is striking is that as the empire faded in the west but continued strong in the east the bureaucracies of both were the most lasting. In the east, it was the efficiency of the bureaucracy that maintained the empire an extra 1000 years, and in the west it was the vestiges of the bureaucracy, assimilated into the hierarchy of the christian church that provided the merging of barbarian cultures with what was left of roman culture.

It just goes to show you that while emperors/presidents may come and go and governments rise and fall, those arcane bean counters and tax collectors go on and on and on and on......
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2013, 06:57:13 PM »
Yes, our other thread left out the bureaucrats...glad that oversight is corrected here, their complicity will not be forgotten.
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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2013, 08:52:50 AM »
Yes, I do know.

OT:  I've been thinking of starting an acronym thread and pinning it.  What say y'all.

That would be great!  ::thumbsup::

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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2013, 09:01:17 AM »
Yes, I do know.

OT:  I've been thinking of starting an acronym thread and pinning it.  What say y'all.

That would be great!  ::thumbsup::
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2013, 11:00:29 AM »
Term limits will not further empower the bureaucracy.  Congress as presently constituted has proven itself completely incapable of controlling it.  Rotation in office couldn't make it any worse, and offers hope of change, which we really don't have now.

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« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2013, 11:25:48 AM »
Term limits will not further empower the bureaucracy.  Congress as presently constituted has proven itself completely incapable of controlling it.  Rotation in office couldn't make it any worse, and offers hope of change, which we really don't have now.

By not making it worse that is a win?  A push is still a loss...it's just a lag in recognition...there is no such thing as a static Federal bureaucracy...it will always grow larger because spending always increases one year over the previous...always...and anybody hear of a Federal program ever being axed?  Yeah me neither, and I see little term limits will do to prevent any of that.
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2013, 11:30:54 AM »
I'm not against term limits outright, but there are inherent downsides, such as time-limiting the input of effective and decent people - few though they may be.

And Libertas is right about the nature of bureaucracy. If the only people in government who have job security, longevity, and experience are bureaucrats, I shudder the thought.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2013, 11:32:21 AM »
Term limits will not further empower the bureaucracy.  Congress as presently constituted has proven itself completely incapable of controlling it.  Rotation in office couldn't make it any worse, and offers hope of change, which we really don't have now.

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2013, 11:35:37 AM »
I'm not against term limits outright, but there are inherent downsides, such as time-limiting the input of effective and decent people - few though they may be.

It seems to me the really good ones term-limit themselves at this point; see Jim DeMint.  I understand the inherent downsides, such as if there's no chance of re-election, the bad ones are free to totally go rogue.  On the other hand, the good ones are free as well to do the right thing.  And the perpetual campaigning for re-election will end as well.

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And Libertas is right about the nature of bureaucracy. If the only people in government who have job security, longevity, and experience are bureaucrats, I shudder the thought.

Congress ceded too much of its authority to all of these agencies and that needs to be rectified.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2013, 11:37:19 AM »
I am 100% Pro-Term Limits.
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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2013, 11:43:46 AM »
Term limits would encourage even more politicians to say whatever they need to to get elected, and have no fear of doing exactly the opposite once in office. The ONLY leverage the people have over politicians is the threat of electoral consequences, and that leverage is a twig under a boulder as it is. Term limits would give politicians all the leverage to act with impunity.

That is one downside among the many up and down sides.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2013, 11:46:47 AM »
Maybe once, but that should educate the voters regarding who to elect.
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2013, 11:52:12 AM »
OK, now perhaps it was unintentional on your part but that really made me chuckle!!!
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