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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #20 on: October 30, 2013, 11:53:02 AM »
Oh, no! Yer catchin' my drift!  ::hysterical::
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #21 on: October 30, 2013, 11:55:32 AM »
Just going with the tide...   ;D
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« Reply #22 on: October 30, 2013, 11:57:35 AM »
So are you ripping or ebbing?  ;)
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2013, 12:00:45 PM »
I probably rip more than I ebb!   ;D
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« Reply #24 on: October 30, 2013, 12:03:58 PM »
back to the original topic, how would term limits affect the bureaucracy? Have you watched any of the congressional hearings, there is a visible, palpable disdain for the elected people's representatives. They don't need to listen to any representative or congressman, they feel impervious.

Unless we can find a way to elect sufficient representatives and executives who would literally gut the bureaucracy and deny them the funding they need to exist, there is little elected government can do to deny the power to the unelected government.

hey, maybe that wouldn't be a bad idea, someone should run on a ticket of exposing the "unofficial and unelected government" that truly controls your lives.
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2013, 12:06:56 PM »
Set aside, for the moment, the pros and cons of term limits.  Just consider what impact a successful Article V convention would have.  The states, and the people, would be asserting and exercising their primacy, just as the Founders intended.  It's a political earthquake.  Term limits is the issue most likely succeed under Article V.

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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2013, 12:07:46 PM »
Get rid of direct election of US Senators and return it to state legislatures.
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2013, 12:15:10 PM »
Grant me a carve out from the Universal Socialist-States of Amerika and you could really see a convention take off!

(Call me the John Adams of the convention...damned hot-headed fire-breathing New Englander prodding the timid!) 
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2013, 02:19:34 PM »
Set aside, for the moment, the pros and cons of term limits.  Just consider what impact a successful Article V convention would have.  The states, and the people, would be asserting and exercising their primacy, just as the Founders intended.  It's a political earthquake.  Term limits is the issue most likely succeed under Article V.

I think it would be totally worth the inherent risks. Absolutely.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2013, 02:35:50 PM »
Set aside, for the moment, the pros and cons of term limits.  Just consider what impact a successful Article V convention would have.  The states, and the people, would be asserting and exercising their primacy, just as the Founders intended.  It's a political earthquake.  Term limits is the issue most likely succeed under Article V.

I think it would be totally worth the inherent risks. Absolutely.

Unfortunately, the libs will never allow it to progress to that point.
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« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2013, 02:41:14 PM »
There's lot of mechanisms that could be tried, some might help, others might have bad unintended consequences. Ultimately our problem is that we have a depraved population. Who is it that said if every man was an angel, we wouldn't need government at all? We've never had a population of all angels, but there was certainly more moral and ethical fiber in the average person at one time.

One mechanism I favor is an automatic sunset provision. Almost any act of Congress should have an automatic sunset, requiring another act of Congress to postpone the sunset. You could tinker with this idea so that the most fundamentally obvious statutes can be enacted without sunset if there's a supermajority or something, but most of their legislation should be required to demonstrate its continued necessity every 10 years or so.

I think something similar should apply to the creation of agencies within the bureaucracy. The bureaucrats have accumulated far too much power, and as mentioned earlier in the thread their power in many cases rivals that of elected officials. That is intolerable. The entire bureaucracy needs to be made to know its inferior status at all times. This condition of the bureaucracy coincides with the evolution of the imperial presidency, the concentration of power in the executive. They'll say it was to fast track this or that, create flexibility here and flexibility there. Pragmatism is a dangerous thing in government.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2013, 02:45:09 PM »
"is obama still president?"

He never was my president.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2013, 04:10:05 PM »
"is obama still president?"

He never was my president.

Oh ditto that!
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2013, 05:22:38 PM »
What's the definition of "IS"?

Presidential usurper, most definitely. I will not comply with anything these assholes put into place. Somebody is going to get a snootful of lead sooner or later.

Revolution is the key folks. Win it decisively and you can put those changes in place today instead of thirty or forty years. The Republic is dead becasue it made way for the dictatorship. Yelling it needs to stop without a threat to do mans nothing to these assholes.
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2013, 07:45:27 PM »
"is obama still president?"

He never was my president.

Roger that shipmate.
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2013, 11:36:35 PM »
The office is vacant.

I don't know who that dude is.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #36 on: October 31, 2013, 07:43:40 AM »
It's a door stop, a choom recepticle, a Reggie plaything, something that keeps Valerie on a long leash...

Whatever it is that sh*t has got to go!
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #37 on: October 31, 2013, 05:38:35 PM »
Not only do we need term limits on elected clowns,  we need time limits on individual bureaucrats as well.   

The founders never intended full careers in government for both elected and non elected "public service".  No one,  and I mean NO one should have a government only career.  As we can see,  problems result from allowing people to be insulated from reality.  A decade is long enough.   The longer someone remains,  the worse they get. 

And it should limit the time in all levels in government.   So you don't just get folks going from local to state to federal.

Working in the private sector would do a lot of good for those short careers in government.  We would have far less stupid. 

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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #38 on: October 31, 2013, 05:42:04 PM »
Not only do we need term limits on elected clowns,  we need time limits on individual bureaucrats as well.   

The founders never intended full careers in government for both elected and non elected "public service".  No one,  and I mean NO one should have a government only career.  As we can see,  problems result from allowing people to be insulated from reality.  A decade is long enough.   The longer someone remains,  the worse they get. 

And it should limit the time in all levels in government.   So you don't just get folks going from local to state to federal.

Working in the private sector would do a lot of good for those short careers in government.  We would have far less stupid.

I would think we would have far more welfare recipients.
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Re: is obama still president?
« Reply #39 on: October 31, 2013, 06:10:54 PM »
Not only do we need term limits on elected clowns,  we need time limits on individual bureaucrats as well.   

The founders never intended full careers in government for both elected and non elected "public service".  No one,  and I mean NO one should have a government only career.  As we can see,  problems result from allowing people to be insulated from reality.  A decade is long enough.   The longer someone remains,  the worse they get. 

And it should limit the time in all levels in government.   So you don't just get folks going from local to state to federal.

Working in the private sector would do a lot of good for those short careers in government.  We would have far less stupid.

I would think we would have far more welfare recipients.


If we had a less stupid government,  there wouldn't be welfare from the government.