Topic: When both the Left and the Right agree on the big stuff...

[IronDioPriest]

... then you KNOW the sh*t is about to hit the fan.

This links to a short speech by... Matt Damon. On ideology, I couldn't disagree more than I do with this Leftist little puke sonofabitch.

Nevertheless, there are elements to his speech that speak directly to my heart and gut, and I'm confident it will speak to yours as well. He gets the "small" stuff - the ideological stuff - 180º ass-backwards. But on the big stuff, I could not agree more.

Lemme know what you think.

Matt Damon on the need for civil disobedience

[Glock32]

I certainly agree with the axiom that most of our problems stem from obedience to the state. But when he goes on about the Rule of Law merely enshrining the injustices that preceded it, I strongly get the idea that -- from his thinking -- one of those "problems" with the Rule of Law is that it recognizes such things as private property.

I just can never get people who on the one hand say we have a corrupt system that promoted unequal distribution of wealth, so naturally the answer is an even more powerful state capable of forcibly redistributing it on a grand scale.

But I also agree with IDP that the real take-home lesson is that, in spite of radically different ideas about what would be better, there is increasing agreement that the current order's days are numbered.

[warpmine]

I certainly agree with the axiom that most of our problems stem from obedience to the state. But when he goes on about the Rule of Law merely enshrining the injustices that preceded it, I strongly get the idea that -- from his thinking -- one of those "problems" with the Rule of Law is that it recognizes such things as private property.

I just can never get people who on the one hand say we have a corrupt system that promoted unequal distribution of wealth, so naturally the answer is an even more powerful state capable of forcibly redistributing it on a grand scale.

But I also agree with IDP that the real take-home lesson is that, in spite of radically different ideas about what would be better, there is increasing agreement that the current order's days are numbered.

My solution is much , much simpler. Matt and all those like him can either hang themselves by their necks until dead or their brain begins to function, move out of the country permanently, or we can end their lives for them during the upheaval that they and their leftist minions have wrought. Either way, I don't give a damn to what he and his minions think they're entitled to.

[KittenClaws]

I certainly agree with the axiom that most of our problems stem from obedience to the state. But when he goes on about the Rule of Law merely enshrining the injustices that preceded it, I strongly get the idea that -- from his thinking -- one of those "problems" with the Rule of Law is that it recognizes such things as private property.

I just can never get people who on the one hand say we have a corrupt system that promoted unequal distribution of wealth, so naturally the answer is an even more powerful state capable of forcibly redistributing it on a grand scale.

But I also agree with IDP that the real take-home lesson is that, in spite of radically different ideas about what would be better, there is increasing agreement that the current order's days are numbered.

My solution is much , much simpler. Matt and all those like him can either hang themselves by their necks until dead or their brain begins to function, move out of the country permanently, or we can end their lives for them during the upheaval that they and their leftist minions have wrought. Either way, I don't give a damn to what he and his minions think they're entitled to.

I'm with you warpmine.

Matt Damon and his ilk are not prerequisite to the validation of my opinion.

[Glock32]

It's always amusing when people who have become millionaires many times over, through a career of pretending to be other people, would presume to lecture anyone on equitable distributions of wealth.

[IronDioPriest]

...the real take-home lesson is that, in spite of radically different ideas about what would be better, there is increasing agreement that the current order's days are numbered.

That was my main point. I don't give a squirt about Matt Damon or what he thinks. He's a true-believer Leftist.

But it bears noting that both those advocating tyranny and those advocating liberty are coming to the conclusion at the same time that civilized people's inclination toward obeying the law no matter how unjust, is an obstacle to destroying/saving the nation.

[KittenClaws]

It's always amusing when people who have become millionaires many times over, through a career of pretending to be other people, would presume to lecture anyone on equitable distributions of wealth.

These people don't even know who they are or what they believe.  This is basic psychology.

They spend their time play acting. The brain can not decipher the difference..their reality is screwed up.  There is a reason that actors were held in such low regard through the ages.

Matt Damon? Cute (and as stupid) as a button.

[KittenClaws]

...the real take-home lesson is that, in spite of radically different ideas about what would be better, there is increasing agreement that the current order's days are numbered.

That was my main point. I don't give a squirt about Matt Damon or what he thinks. He's a true-believer Leftist.

But it bears noting that both those advocating tyranny and those advocating liberty are coming to the conclusion at the same time that civilized people's inclination toward obeying the law no matter how unjust, is an obstacle to destroying/saving the nation.

But libs don't think about it the way we do. They may recognize a conclusion, but not for what it is.  Don't count any lib among our ranks.

Some are salvageable , but not until they understand that they need to be salvaged.

[IronDioPriest]

I think you're misreading me, or I'm not being clear. All I'm saying is that when both sides see the rule of law as an obstacle to our respective objectives and begin talking openly about the imminent need to break the law in order to manifest those objectives, we're pretty much at the brick-wall impasse.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

What’s always intrigued me is that, in an argument (or a heated disagreement), both sides will assume that righteousness resides with them. Both sides will employ mantras or sayings, e.g. “the right side of history”, “doing the Lord’s (or the “people’s) work”, “striving for a better America”…etc.

But only 1 side is truly right. Thus, smuggling in one’s own interpretation of what the Constitution “really” says becomes a labor of postmodern redefinition. According to the Law of Non-Contradiction, one side must be false…yet both sides lay claim to “the truth”, AND march on basking in their own self-righteousness.

[KittenClaws]

I think you're misreading me, or I'm not being clear. All I'm saying is that when both sides see the rule of law as an obstacle to our respective objectives and begin talking openly about the imminent need to break the law in order to manifest those objectives, we're pretty much at the brick-wall impasse.

So you're saying conservatives see the rule of law as an obstacle?

What "respective objectives"?

Both the right and left may well be at a brick wall, but I hardly see where we are there for the same reasons...maybe from the same perspective,.

The snake and eve held the same perspective, ....

[Dan]

If I may, I think IDP is saying the lack of the rule of law, or the arbitrary nature we see these days, is a danger to our liberty and meathead is saying its standing in the way of "progress" (admittedly I didn't see the clip but I'm familiar with what a commie he is). I certainly see the la k of law as a serious danger. I also see my hands wrapped around meatheads neck.
And, as an aside, I wonder how much of his fortune and huge deals meathead turns over to, say, the filme crew. Or the ticket sellers, etc.
Hate s the system but loves the profit.
I'd love to bowl with his head.

[Glock32]

I believe what IDP is saying is that when disparate interests on both the left and right of the ideological spectrum reject the legitimacy of the current system, it means its days are numbered.  He's not suggesting some sort of common ground with these leftist turds, just that there's a growing chorus of people who want the current system done away with.

[KittenClaws]

I'd love to bowl with his head.

That about sums it up for me. 

[KittenClaws]

I believe what IDP is saying is that when disparate interests on both the left and right of the ideological spectrum reject the legitimacy of the current system, it means its days are numbered.  He's not suggesting some sort of common ground with these leftist turds, just that there's a growing chorus of people who want the current system done away with.

Sure. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

But that is not the case here.

Maybe Matt and I don't like the current system, but what we want it replaced with are two very different things.

That friend, is NOT common ground.

[Weisshaupt]

I think you're misreading me, or I'm not being clear. All I'm saying is that when both sides see the rule of law as an obstacle to our respective objectives and begin talking openly about the imminent need to break the law in order to manifest those objectives, we're pretty much at the brick-wall impasse.

I don't see the rule of (natural)  law as an obstacle, but as our goal. The left sees it as an obstacle. If we disobey a tyrant and his laws ,  we do not disobey the law, we disobey the tyrant - for a tyrant's dictates are not Just law, they are whims. They are the rule of men.  . They are illegitimate. The Tyrant may call his capricious demands  "laws" but they are decrees- they do not carry the consent of the governed, they do no abide by the natural rights of man,  and are therefore not "laws".  They are threats.  Its just more word-mangling  from the left.   When Damon says the "rule of law" prevents him from just throwing those who dissent into gas chambers, he is saying that he has no right to do what he wants to do. He is taking about Natural Law. He is talking about the inalienable rights with which we were endowed by our creator.  None of us wishes to disobey those laws, for we know they are just and good. The Leftists see them as a barrier to getting what they want.  There is no agreement here,  other than lawlessness is what happens when one group of men decides to ignore the natural rights of another group of men.

[Weisshaupt]

I believe what IDP is saying is that when disparate interests on both the left and right of the ideological spectrum reject the legitimacy of the current system, it means its days are numbered.  He's not suggesting some sort of common ground with these leftist turds, just that there's a growing chorus of people who want the current system done away with.

Moff Tarkin: The imperial senate will no longer be of any concern to us. I have just received word that the emperor has dissolved the council permanently. The last remnants of the old republic have been swept away.

The old  system has already be done away with. Matt Damon is only lamenting the Death Star hasn't been used to kill more people.  I don't even know if you can call what we currently  have a "system" other than a "system  assured destruction. Their battle is with reality, and reality is going to win.

[Glock32]

I believe what IDP is saying is that when disparate interests on both the left and right of the ideological spectrum reject the legitimacy of the current system, it means its days are numbered.  He's not suggesting some sort of common ground with these leftist turds, just that there's a growing chorus of people who want the current system done away with.

Sure. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

But that is not the case here.

Maybe Matt and I don't like the current system, but what we want it replaced with are two very different things.

That friend, is NOT common ground.

No kidding, that's why I said nobody was suggesting there is common ground. Look at it as an omen of things to come, that all sides are now dispensing with any pretense to preserving the current order. In other words, everybody knows the current order is a dinosaur waiting for the asteroid and after that the killing starts.

[AlanS]

But it bears noting that both those advocating tyranny and those advocating liberty are coming to the conclusion at the same time that civilized people's inclination toward obeying the law no matter how unjust, is an obstacle to destroying/saving the nation.

So the tyrant leftists don't like it when the tyranny has a detrimental effect on them?

[RickZ]

So the tyrant leftists don't like it when the tyranny has a detrimental effect on them?

Party member sitting in the Lubyanka, bemoaning his fate while awaiting execution:  If Comrade Stalin only knew!