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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #280 on: December 11, 2018, 06:21:18 PM »

We should talk Russia into tearing up our agreement not to invade Cuba.
Trade them Eastern Ukraine for Cuba. Like trading property in Monopoly.
Win win.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #281 on: December 12, 2018, 07:43:46 AM »
The people of Ukraine deserve better...it should not be a choice of being the bitch of Russia or the bitch of the EU...those being the only allowable choices dooms all...you would think the memories of Soviet occupation and two world wars ravaging the region would instill a desire for true independence!  The models to seek are Hungary and Poland, but it seems fate as nothing but misery in store for people in this region.  Glad my paternal grandfather GTFO of there when he did.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #282 on: December 17, 2018, 08:24:38 AM »
People like this moon-pie Ann Garrison annoy the stuff out of me!!!

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/13/latest-odds-of-a-shooting-war-between-nato-and-russia/

Blame America and Trump...for Russia violating outright and in spirit the INF treaty and blame America and Trump for not wanting to remain in a broken treaty.

Blame America and Trump for being mean to Russia and insulting to Putin...by not giving Putin everything he desires in Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, Iran.

Bemoan the DeepState coup against Trump and the gleeful assistance of the Democrat-Media Complex...and blame America for that too...while Russia and Putin do nothing to help end it...but who are doing a fantastic job of making it worse...the latest stroke of genius being nuke-capable bombers in Venezuela, which lemme guess...is also America and Trump's fault.

I'm at the point now where I have lost all motivation to give one flying fornication about everything!

Goddamned ignorant fools!  You cannot heap all the blame on one side and act like your poop don't stink when your actions make things far worse, not better!

Screw it, put nukes in Ukraine!  Let the whole damned world burn!  What's the point?  Putin is as trapped by his statist masters as Trump is.

Crack a beer and toast the end of life on planet earth!  There is no overcoming this much idiocy!!!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #283 on: March 31, 2019, 11:48:22 AM »
"A new life is beginning, a good life, without corruption, without bribes,"

Zelensky, meanwhile, has been criticised for the vagueness of his manifesto, the key pledges of which were chosen following a public vote on social media.

The entertainer has eschewed rallies and interviews in favour of playing gigs with his comedy troupe up to the final days of campaigning.

But supporters say only a brand new face can clean up the murky politics of one of the poorest nations in Europe.

Some accuse Zelensky of acting as a front for the interests of oligarch Igor Kolomoysky, who owns the channel that broadcasts the entertainer's shows, but he denies any political links.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/comic-leads-ukraine-votes-president-022302336--spt.html

Sounds like just another puppet...but the choices are all pretty rancid...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #284 on: April 22, 2019, 06:49:18 AM »
http://news.trust.org/item/20190421203605-osgq8

Fantasy becomes reality...we'll see how real this guy is...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #285 on: June 23, 2021, 08:50:23 AM »
Well looks like Ukraine heating up again...

There's this news, which somewhat baffles me - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-uk-build-warships-establish-naval-bases-together

Never thought Boris was a spineless puppet of Amerikan DeepState....but hey they could have dirt their leveraging on him to dance as directed...on its face unilateral mutually beneficial agreements of this kind are not "unusual" at all, everybody does them, Chi-Com's "string-of-pearls" and Russia in Syria are but two examples...bit it seems odd as Britain hasn't done anything like this for quite a while...

And in no time flat Russia issues its opinion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-black-sea-fleet-fired-warning-shots-near-british-destroyer

Probing happens all the time, nothing new there...firing shots is not so common.  I see this as no big deal as a single incident...it's common practice to assess a potential foes response for analysis and future engagements.  All part of the game...only risk is a mistake that turns a probe/response into a hot mess.

ETA - Read this, it is quite interesting - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-pens-op-ed-encouraging-partnership-europe-urges-openness-despite-past

More proof that Putin is a master of "the game".  His narrative is entirely geared towards agreement with him by attempting to cut off any constructive criticism of any point in black or white manner as being in essence "anti-cooperative" and blocked by "grudge holders" and "aggressors".

He claims Russia is "European".  Uhh huh, Catherine the Great tried that and others that followed...and in the end Marxists linked them well to Euro-Monarchs and removed them...violently.  It's Old World European in that it holds colonies in the 'Stan's and vast native enclave of Siberia.  Very Old World European! 

And in a Russo-Globalist fashion he wraps up thusly the carrot and stick narrative -

The world is a dynamic place, facing new challenges and threats. We simply cannot afford to carry the burden of past misunderstandings, hard feelings, conflicts, and mistakes. It is a burden that will prevent us from concentrating on the challenges at hand. We are convinced that we all should recognize these mistakes and correct them. Our common and indisputable goal is to ensure security on the continent without dividing lines, a common space for equitable cooperation and inclusive development for the prosperity of Europe and the world as a whole.

No dividing lines, common space?  Correct mistakes?

OK then, I accept your terms.  Let us cut to the chase, shall we?  If sincere in this spirit...all cards on the table.  Ukraine, Crimea, Donbas, Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba...NATO, SWIFT, arms treaties, additional arms reductions & pullbacks from borders, sanctions, diplomats, political prisoners, nuclear proliferation, Islamic terrorism, illegal immigration, cyber crime, the Arctic, Antarctica, all pipelines, militarization of space, trade...all of it in the hopper...let's play the match game and everything is resolved or nothing is.

Reagan in Reykjavik on a boatload of steroids.

I'd do it.  DeepState Puppet Biden won't.  Pretty sure Vlad would say Nyet! on a number of points and walk away too, but I would call the bluff.  And yes, trying to drive a wedge between the US & Europe is an old playbook, and with respect to NATO and our involvement and giving a damn about suicidal Euro's I am not against it nor am I saying it isn't wise of Vlad to attempt it...but the US is the big gorilla in the corner Vlad danced around in his narrative.  Bet Trump would have made the call...alas, America is in the grips of nefarious punks, so...another opportunity lost.

In the end...all the Euro's will belong to Russia...if the Jihadis don't beat them to it...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #286 on: June 26, 2021, 09:30:40 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time

It's a novel idea...the territorial waters of one nation being retained by the nation who annexed said territory. 

I say if this is to be accepted as kosher with international law...then I say there are lots of ripe areas for annexation...and they cannot be challenged unless one believes in imbalanced logic.

Oh, heck Limey's...roll in there...see if they're serious about bombing....man up and call that bluff.

What's the worst that could happen...that will happen anyway?

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #287 on: June 26, 2021, 07:07:57 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time

It's a novel idea...the territorial waters of one nation being retained by the nation who annexed said territory. 

I say if this is to be accepted as kosher with international law...then I say there are lots of ripe areas for annexation...and they cannot be challenged unless one believes in imbalanced logic.

Oh, heck Limey's...roll in there...see if they're serious about bombing....man up and call that bluff.

What's the worst that could happen...that will happen anyway?

The Duran was trying to figure out what Britain is doing. They conclude Britain is annoying everyone.
https://rumble.com/vj0t8z-british-destroyer-gets-buzzed-in-black-sea.-dumb-provocation-or-pre-war-pro.html
British Destroyer gets buzzed in Black Sea. Dumb provocation or pre-war provocation?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #288 on: June 27, 2021, 11:14:41 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-mediterranean-drills-featuring-hypersonic-armed-jets-moment-uk-carrier

Meh.  Boys with toys.  Nothing to see here...just a same of "oh yeah?"/"yeah"...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #289 on: July 13, 2021, 09:02:16 AM »
Nuland!   ::outrage::

Why is this meddlesome sow still holding ANY office?!   ::cussing:: 

Article is rife with vitriol and Russophile talking points...but in the spirit of the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend...let it ride.

The presence of this DeepState whore is advancing regional conflict from "possible" to "likely" and is now on its way to "certain"!

Paging free-lance hitters...got a fat target for your consideration!  Crap, second thought...her handlers probably exploit that too and start pushing buttons...

OK, back to effed every which way...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #290 on: August 11, 2021, 08:36:29 AM »
 ::siren::  Caution: Extreme Pro-Russia Bias Ahead!   ::siren::

 ::bus::  Imbeciles beware, calling out hypocrites ahead!   ::bus::

A top Ukrainian official has indicated that US support to Ukraine may be in the process of ramping up dramatically, suggesting that Kiev has invited a permanent American troop presence and stationing of anti-air defense rocket systems on its soil.

Deputy Prime Minister Alexey Reznikov made the revealing statements recently while hosted by the hawkish D.C.-based Jamestown Foundation. "It is important to expand the security package for Ukraine," Reznikov said. "First of all, with the stationing of air defense forces, and even by deploying American units."

Reznikov forther argued this would serve a secondary purpose of eroding Moscow's "influence in the Balkans" - also at a moment the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline is nearing completion, and amid rival military drills of late occurring on the Black Sea.

The statements certainly raised eyebrows in the Kremlin, being picked up widely in Russian media, which described such a scenario of US air defenses on Russia's border a severe "red line". TASS cited chairman of the State Duma's committee for international affairs, Leonid Slutsky, who lashed out at the "crude provocation" on Tuesday.

"Reznikov's statement is crude provocation. The deployment of the US missile defense systems in Ukraine may change the balance of force in the region and outside it," Slutsky was quoted as saying. TASS reported his words further:

He stressed that the anti-missile system Aegis included the launcher Mk41, which could be used for launching not only interceptors, but also cruise missiles.

"Their emergence (of such air defense systems - TASS) close to Russia's borders will undoubtedly evoke Moscow's response. Tensions will merely soar," Slutsky warned.

Meanwhile the past year has witnessed a mutual ramping up of military drills on the Black Sea between Russia on the one hand and the Western allies on the other.

And D.C. think tanks have renewed efforts at stoking tensions over Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-slams-crude-provocation-after-us-invited-station-troops-anti-air-systems

 ::hysterical::  Oh, how rich!   ::laughonfloor::

So, all the missiles and planes and troops Russia has in Syria...

It's a crude provocation to Israel, right?

This emergence of such air defense systems close to Israel's border will undoubtedly evoke Jerusalem's response. Tensions will merely soar, right?

Russia, it's proxies and loyal Russophiles have renewed their efforts at stoking tensions over Ukraine, right?

That kind of hypocritical crap just sets me off! 

Listen - either it is wrong for everyone or right for everyone or neutral (none of anybody's business)...people taking sides are hypocritical imbeciles deserving ridicule...which on most days in latter day Earth is all that gets me up in the morning!

Alright, round up the escapees...back to the sanitarium...   ::bus::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #291 on: September 02, 2021, 08:47:59 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-pledges-60-million-more-military-aid-ukraine-he-hosts-zelensky

Oh my...giving 2 Mark VI patrol boats to Ukraine!

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Arming proxies is such a Russian thing to do, how dare they!  Cue hysterical response in 3...2...1...

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The real thing to focus on is JoeFraud trying to buy back into the Ukraine game...if Zelensky is smart he'll play this sap, offer him nothing but platitudes, make sure neither he nor Hunter nor any American statists gets anything but 0% and not trust a damn thing coming out of their lying faces.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #292 on: September 03, 2021, 08:27:43 AM »
Snort!  JoeFraud is so weak at this game!  2 patrol boats for Ukraine...

Vlad to Alex "Soviet!" Lukashenko - "Russia in the near future … will supply us – I won’t say how much money or what – with dozens of planes, dozens of helicopters, the most important air defense weapons,” Lukashenko was quoted as saying in Belarusian state-run Belta news agency.

But the claim that's sure to catch the attention of the West is what he said about the potential anti-air defense system. "Maybe even S-400s (surface-to-air missiles).


https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-sending-huge-arms-shipment-maybe-even-s-400s-belarus-lukashenko

Poor illegitimate occupier of the White House...it's all bad news all the time...  ::smallestviolin::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #293 on: September 28, 2021, 09:29:41 AM »
What a bunch of pussies...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/all-hell-breaking-loose-energy-markets

Attack already, or be labelled liars!  Define "hosting", same article quotes Alex saying US training bases already there...so already crossed your little line?

Why does Putin tolerate clowns and psychos? 

Nobody else will play, eh?

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #294 on: October 06, 2021, 09:06:56 AM »
Czar Vald's arse is ready to accept kisses from Euro vassals...

With Europe In Chaos, Putin Says Russia Ready To Help Stabilize Gas Market
Russia will increase supplies if and only if NS2 is launched


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-chaos-putin-says-russia-ready-help-stabilize-gas-market

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #295 on: October 19, 2021, 09:14:28 AM »
No NS2, no gas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2

Just because it looks like extortion doesn't mean its extortion or is done with any malice or greed in mind...

Yeah, that was hard to type without cracking up!   ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::
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« Reply #296 on: October 19, 2021, 06:03:25 PM »
No NS2, no gas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2

Just because it looks like extortion doesn't mean its extortion or is done with any malice or greed in mind...

Yeah, that was hard to type without cracking up!   ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::

it's hard to cut through the crap to find the truth.
I think that Russia is supplying 10% more than last year.
Russia is supplying its contractual obligations.
Russia preferred long term contracts but many EU countries wanted to go with the spot market. They got what they wanted.

Now the EU wants Russia to save it from their own stupidity. Russia points to the Nordstream approval. Good for them.
Hungary signed a contract for Russian gas and the EU is pissed because they are so power mad they only want the  to make contracts, then divy up the gas according to their politics. Eff them.

BTW Germany begged Russia to build the Nordstream 2 when they realized they had screwed themselves. Russia agreed and lately they got a ration of sh*t for political reasons.

https://youtu.be/H8ZXLw47cfQ
Germany demolishes nuclear power plant in a controlled explosion
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Meanwhile, France gets 75% of electricity from nuclear. Let  Germany freeze.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #297 on: October 20, 2021, 07:41:58 AM »
IMO everybody getting what they deserve...

Well, except US taxpayers...who get raped constantly...

And the perpetrators of our oppression who have so far escaped much deserved justice thus far...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #298 on: October 20, 2021, 01:55:03 PM »

Ukraine is screwed big time. They used to sell stuff to Russia. Then came the US and EU and the embargoes and sanctions.
The US, IMF, and EU gave billions to the govt but IMO much of that ended up in DC, London, Brussels. Ukraine has nothing to show for it.

Russia recovered nicely from the embargoes and is  now a leading agriculture exporter. Ukraine was the aviation supplier in the USSR. E.g. gas turbines for helicopters. Also heavy industry. No more. No one to sell to except for some Chinese who are copying their technology. The EU does not want Ukraine ag products competing with their established suppliers.

BTW Ukraine started the whole sh*t show with Russia by screwing over ethnic Russians in the east as in internal political  ploy by one faction. Ukraine is maybe the only place where there are real neo Nazis. They have substantial political influence in Ukraine in the West.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #299 on: October 20, 2021, 02:10:11 PM »
Yeah, well thanks to Slick Willie and G H W Shrub we helped bail out post-Soviet Russia by funneling sh!tloads of US taxpayer dollars through the creative accounting of NASA and the international space station and buying Russian rocket space while running our own costly shuttle program that got us the dual reward of a gutted NASA only capable of dispatching probes and Russian oligarchy only interested in regaining their former might under a new label...

US leadership is as stupid as stupid gets.

Far as I care everybody can tear at each others throats...carnage for all!!!
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