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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #340 on: December 22, 2021, 09:21:59 AM »
Nobody follows international law...Russia abandoned missile treaties once it gained an upper hand in hypersonic...now there's a hypersonic race, shocking.  UNSC is always a sh!tshow...what they agree to usually blows and what they fail to act on blows...basically they blow.  I have no faith in vox, wouldn't be surprised if both CIA and GRU have infiltrated it.  Back in the good old days nefarious hardware close to opponents would be traded...a la Cuba & Turkey in early 60's.  Today, nobody likes to trade because it looks like surrender and fails to accomplish gains on the ground, again so shocking, eh?

As I said...nothing we think good bad or indifferent matters a damn...

War, embrace it or just enjoy the macabre theater...those are your only choices...well, actually one more, perhaps the most important...pray neither side punishes us for their fracking sins...that's it.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #341 on: December 22, 2021, 09:38:45 AM »
SITYS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-mulls-sending-more-troops-romania-bulgaria

Go long on war...masters on all sides are too committed...

Even the long time isolationist Buchanan sees the Russian demands as intended to spur a rejection by Washington...and on the "no desire for war" angle he apparently didn't see the above news before writing this...true, the above could be a retrenching from an expected loss of Ukraine...keeping in place another round of confrontation.

The Machine grinds on...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #342 on: December 22, 2021, 12:07:18 PM »
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #343 on: December 22, 2021, 02:31:50 PM »
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #344 on: December 23, 2021, 11:06:55 AM »
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.


Like Putin Puppet Lukashenko asking for Russian nukes in Belarus...and Vlad has troops there already...I guess Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine deserve no buffer...

And while Putin likes to talk about Minsk till the ears bleed...never a word on 1994 Budapest...because adhering to that would make all Russian territorial grabs a criminal act...

And arming Muslims against the West is a Russian favorite too...none more disturbing at present than supporting that batshyt-crazy Mahdi Death Cult in Persia on the brink of deploying nuclear weapons...

The sins of humanity are legion and are not absent inside any border or absolved by rationalizations uttered by temporal potentates...

The bill comes due for all...no exceptions.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #345 on: December 23, 2021, 05:26:05 PM »
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.


Like Putin Puppet Lukashenko asking for Russian nukes in Belarus...and Vlad has troops there already...I guess Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine deserve no buffer...

And while Putin likes to talk about Minsk till the ears bleed...never a word on 1994 Budapest...because adhering to that would make all Russian territorial grabs a criminal act...

And arming Muslims against the West is a Russian favorite too...none more disturbing at present than supporting that batshyt-crazy Mahdi Death Cult in Persia on the brink of deploying nuclear weapons...

The sins of humanity are legion and are not absent inside any border or absolved by rationalizations uttered by temporal potentates...

The bill comes due for all...no exceptions.

I cannot figure out what Russia is doing with Iran. Their support seems luke warm. Both countries are supporting Assad.
In part because both countries do not want ISIS controlling Syria then spilling their mayhem into Iran and Russia. The US support of ISIS and AQ in Syria chilled me.

According to the Duran, the US backed a failed coup in Belarus.
The Israeli piloted F35s against the Russian S400s looks interesting.

Lib Max Blumenthal wrote a good book The Management of Savagery, about how the US, Saudis, and the West think they can manage Muslim savagery against their enemies. How did Osama bin Laden turn out? I see why the US backed him and others against the USSR in Afghanistan but I wish we had not.

The father of the bomber of the Ariana Grande concert, and perhaps the bomber himself, were supported by UK govt against Qaddafi. The Paki govt used to be kinda mello until the US govt backed the Muslim fanatic faction to help us with Afghanistan.

With 20/20 hind sight, why did we care about Iraq taking over Kuwait? Did Bush 1 OK it? Libya was a total abortion and crime against humanity by the US and the West. The UK House of commons drilled down and concluded as much in a report.

Let Europe sort itself out. Let Russia take back some ethnic Russian parts if they want. Better in the long run. I really do not care. Russia does not want to take over hostile parts anyway as it is too much work.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #346 on: December 24, 2021, 12:38:56 PM »


https://www.rt.com/russia/544306-us-military-ukrainian-front-lines/
 US sending thousands of military personnel to Ukrainian front lines – Moscow
Moscow’s Foreign Ministry has accused the West of nudging Kiev into a full-blown conflict.
US sending thousands of military personnel to Ukrainian front lines – Moscow
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As many as 10,000 Western military instructors have been sent to Ukraine to train the Eastern European nation’s soldiers and support its fighting in the Donbass, Moscow has claimed, insisting that 4,000 are Americans.
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https://voxday.net/2021/12/24/neocons-might-get-their-war/
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In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #347 on: December 25, 2021, 12:11:03 PM »
Same dance as last time...

Putin denies pro-Russia/Russian mercenaries...but it was obvious from previous engagements incursions into Ukraine territory had non-conventional help...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/western-media-says-russia-deploying-mercenaries-east-ukraine

Who cares?  Everybody points fingers, positions are unchanged...might as well scream at a hurricane.

Get on with the killing already!

Bread & Circus!  Entertain me!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #348 on: December 25, 2021, 12:46:15 PM »

I wonder if the US troops wear US uniforms. Likely so.
I recall the Russian troops wore non patched uniforms last time.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #349 on: December 25, 2021, 07:12:18 PM »

Interesting article on the financial aspects of the Ukraine war drums. Every time the US sanctions a country they create the motive to work around the sanctions next time. Perhaps even erode the US dollar as the reserve currency.

What if the US kicks Russia out of SWIFT? Maybe very little or nothing.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-12-22/war-drums-are-beating
War Drums Are Beating
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Friday, Dec 24, 2021 - 12:03
A RISK NOT DISCUSSED

It was around 2017 when I began seeing the ridiculous climate hysteria being pushed not just by dreadlocked physics deniers chaining themselves to trees but at an institutional level.

This, I thought to myself, was something very, very dangerous and which — if taken to any greater level — would ultimately bring about war.
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Well, back in late 2019 Russia managed to get itself into a situation where it’s net public debt reached zero.

In other words, if Russia suddenly needed to pay off all its debts immediately, it could do so just by dipping into the cash on account at the government deposits with the central bank and commercial banks.
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Russia and China have set up alternative to SWIFT. What if it works?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #350 on: December 26, 2021, 01:26:01 PM »


Cold warrior George Kennan said NATO expansion was bad, back in 1998.
https://voxday.net/2021/12/26/why-they-hide-history/
Why They Hide History

The reason the Prometheans always advocate maleducation and Zero History ignorance of the past is because it allows them to repeatedly make false predictions about the obvious consequences of their actions. What we’re seeing now, with sudden avalanche of false denials that the USA ever promised Russia that NATO would not expand to Eastern Europe, was not only anticipated, it was foreseen by the builders of the so-called neo-liberal rules-based world order.

In 1998 Thomas Friedman interviewed George Kennan, one of the architects of NATO, and was warned by Kennan that NATO expansion was certain to create a martial response by Russia:
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”I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. NATO expansion was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #351 on: December 27, 2021, 08:11:32 AM »
Yeah well history is filled with elites making the same mistakes over and over again...it's like everybody knew Lenin and Marxism is antithetical to Liberty every bit as much as Hitler and Nazism...didn't stop people from doing nothing until too late was breached...and here we are with socialists dominating the West and far East and a hodgepodge selfish bastards of various stripes in the middle...and everybody making mistakes...

Circus, damnit!

PS - I see nothing new here...but others may find reason to bunch up their panties...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-preps-plan-actionable-intelligence-sharing-ukraine-if-russians-attack

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #352 on: December 27, 2021, 11:22:15 AM »
Providing military info to Ukraine in real time will hurt the Russians in any fighting but the Ukrainians will suffer the most.
The US ruined most of Ukraine starting with the 2014 coup. It started when the Ukraine govt opted for a trade deal with Russia rather than the EU. Russia offered a sweet deal. The US would rather ruin Ukraine than allow that.

I recently learned that the redditt default is to block any links to zerohedge. Mods might be able to over ride that, or not.
I sent my liberal sister a zero hedge link that linked to some liberal EU site. OECD? She replied that ZH was all lies and refused to read this liberal article. Same thing with The Duran. Her fact checking site tells her what sites to ignore.

I cannot imagine letting anyone tell me what to read. I watch some leftist sites via Roku. The Grayzone comes to mind. The Hill Rising is rather progressive as they describe most of themselves. Jimmy Dore is often good. Vox Day points me to some interesting thoughts and people like Michael Hudson.

IMO the best documentary on the USS Liberty was from Al Jazera. Rather shocking the first time I learned of this.



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #353 on: December 27, 2021, 12:05:48 PM »
ZH not liberal...PaulBot Libertarian.

I bet this crap...



...flows right through her pipes...

 ::facepalm::

As for most decisions being made...the DeepState and its subsidiaries have the power...



...until more wake up and the many rise against the few...

...but I despair that ever happening until too late...
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« Reply #354 on: December 27, 2021, 03:02:01 PM »

I know that zero hedge is not liberal. My point is that because ZH linked to a kinda liberal site my sister refused to read the liberal site.
The article said that the US had a more unequal distribution of income than other developed countries. I thought that was a safe article to send to a liberal. I was wrong. It was tainted just because ZH linked to it.

The Duran was smeared by the media bias site because they said that Hillary sent weapons to Syria, as best I recall.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #355 on: December 27, 2021, 04:29:49 PM »
Yes, Hitlery...Obamao aremd batsh!t crazies...it's what they were trying to bury when Libya BS went down and our people were left to die on her watch and an Admiral & Marine General IIRC got sacked because they wanted to respond...
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« Reply #356 on: December 28, 2021, 10:28:03 AM »
Yes, Hitlery...Obamao aremd batsh!t crazies...it's what they were trying to bury when Libya BS went down and our people were left to die on her watch and an Admiral & Marine General IIRC got sacked because they wanted to respond...

The UK House of Commons later did a report on why the UK got involved in Libya. In short, oops, a giant mistake. No genocide either present or planned.

https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/
U.K. Parliament report details how NATO's 2011 war in Libya was based on lies
British investigation: Gaddafi was not going to massacre civilians; Western bombing made Islamist extremism worse
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Published September 16, 2016 3:21PM (EDT)


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #357 on: December 29, 2021, 08:58:57 AM »
More official Russian state-run boilerplate via a rabid CodePink site put on Rus-worshipping ZH -

As the US and Russia are preparing to hold security talks in January, Russian officials continue to criticize Washington’s military posture. On Monday, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov accused the US of lowering the threshold for the possible use of nuclear weapons.

"We in Moscow are committed to raising the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons. An opposite trend has been seen in the United States over the recent years, with the means for nuclear destruction appearing to be perceived more and more as a battlefield weapon. This is a dangerous trend," Ryabkov said, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-us-lowering-threshold-use-nuclear-weapons

Translation -  ::creepycryingbaby::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #358 on: December 30, 2021, 01:05:59 PM »
Another CodePinko post at ZH...

Ukraine’s border service said on Tuesday that the US will finance projects to strengthen the country’s borders with Russia and Belarus.

The border service said the US will spend about $20 million to purchase video recording systems, drones, and personal protective equipment for Ukraine’s border guards.


Whooped-dee-doo...

More absconded taxpayer funds...75% of it pissed away in all manner of stupid crap I did not consent to...

PS-The weaponized Islaminals is not a conspiracy theory or a lie...Russia & vassals like dealing with those clowns...let them keep them...  ::vafancoul::

And we all know conspiracy theories can be conspiracy fact or conspiracy deceit!
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« Reply #359 on: December 30, 2021, 01:35:06 PM »

The Duran guys estimated the funds spent on Ukraine by the US, EU, and IMF. 25 billion USD??? I cannot recall. The EU and IMF were forbidden by their own rules from spending such money. It almost all ended up in the pockets of people in DC, London, Brussels. Kinda like the US money spent on Afghanistan.

I think the US spent at least $5 billion on Ukraine. That was the official number.

Someone once said that the US is a super power with ADD. We may provoke military action between Ukraine and Russia then lose interest and walk away.

Meanwhile I read that Kosovo may merge with Albania which the US does not care about. I do not care but think we should have let the Serbs sort it out long ago.
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