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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #400 on: January 22, 2022, 12:33:14 PM »
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -



Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland

Could you explain the summit meme to me? I must be slow so type slowly. ;-)
It bothers me that I do not get it.

Bozo Blinken hitting a bong...JoeFraud hitting a crack pipe (probably borrowed from pedo-drug addict chip off the 'ol block Hunter) in contrast to historically typical Rus nipping Stoli...

Thanks.
I didn't think that the US diplomacy could get any more incoherent then along came Biden.
It's like he was playing poker with Putin and showed him his cards.

Well, his dipsh*t handlers making those cue cards on DeepState oligarch orders have their hands full getting him (Biden) to perform unnaturally...

Blinken can follow the scripts...which indicates the scripts are sh*t to begin with...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #401 on: January 22, 2022, 02:11:09 PM »
Fox News' Pentagon correspondent is reporting early Saturday that all family members of US embassy personnel in Kiev, Ukraine have been ordered to evacuate. "State Department orders families of U.S. embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday: U.S. officials," Fox's Lucas Tomlinson reports.

It first emerged Friday that the Biden administration was mulling a plan to evacuate diplomats' family members from Ukraine as a "precautionary measure" amid the continued crisis wherein Washington has predicted some level of a Russian offensive on the Ukraine border.

It's unclear whether this means US intelligence has picked up on a particular new "threat" from Russia near Ukraine's borders.

As Tomlinson reports further, Russian fighter jets on Friday into Saturday began arriving in nearby Belarus, with US officials expressing alarm that Ukraine's capital is "now in the crosshairs". CNN and The Guardian are also reporting early Saturday:

The US embassy in Ukraine has requested the evacuation of all non-essential staff amid increasing fears of an imminent Russian invasion and the arrival overnight of arms deliveries promised by President Joe Biden, according to a CNN report.

US evacuations are likely to start "as early as next week", the US cable news network said, citing a source close to the Ukrainian government. It marks the embassy’s shift in focus towards “helping Ukraine bolster its defences in the face of growing Russian aggression”.

At the same time, Russia's embassy in Washington D.C. has been calling on the West to "end the hysteria" - assuring that there are no plans to invade Ukraine. Earlier in the week it issued a message on Twitter, saying, "We stress once again: Russia is not going to attack anyone. The practice of moving troops on our own soil is a sovereign right."

During talks in Geneva on Friday between Antony Blinken and Russian FM Sergey Lavrov, there appeared to be positive signs that dialogue was opening up toward de-escalation. Just after, the US Embassy in Kiev posted photographs of newly arrived shipments of American-supplied lethal aid for Ukrainian forces.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-embassy-ukraine-orders-evacuation-all-non-essential-staff-diplomats-family-members

The Pentagon and US intelligence is said to be watching Ukraine's northern neighbor Belarus very closely, given Moscow's recent statements confirming it is currently moving more S-400 missile systems into the allied country.

"Russia is moving two divisions of its S-400 Triumph air-defense systems, designed to take down enemy warplanes, into neighboring Belarus to take part in military exercises, the Ministry of Defense confirmed on Friday," Russian state sources report.

S-400 missiles are reportedly being transported to Belarus all the way from Russia's far east. While it comes as tensions are on edge, as the world's eyes are watching the Russia-Ukraine border, the transfer of major military hardware to Minsk is said to be part of preparations for joint Belarus-Russian war drills set to run February 10 through 20.

The exercises will in part be aimed at "reinforcing the state border." This is also likely intended as a response to this week's White House-ordered "lethal aid" delivery to Ukraine's military. The UK has also been flying in repeat plane-loads of weaponry, most likely including anti-tank missiles.

According to Pentagon officials cited in Fox News, there's concern that Russia can much more easily target Kiev if it wants, given all its military assets in Belarus:

Advanced Russian fighter jets have now arrived in Belarus, north of Ukraine.  The Pentagon is concerned that Ukraine's capital is "now in the crosshairs," another official added.

But Russia has repeatedly sought to assure the West that there are no "invasion plans" - as has been the charge over the last two months.

But both sides are now accusing the other over the potential for a provocation which could quickly result in a shooting war on the ground. Likely any conflict should it erupt would center in Donbass, in Ukraine's east.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-now-crosshairs-russia-moves-fighter-jets-s-400-missiles-belarus-pentagon

https://youtu.be/PqfyZ618Bks


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #402 on: January 22, 2022, 04:56:38 PM »

IMO there will be no war unless the Kiev govt attacks the Eastern parts of Ukraine.
I understand the Europeans are telling Kiev they will not support such and action and the US kinda says they are on their own.

I heard that Biden saying the Russians will attack is causing some panic buying in Ukraine.

Remember the old 60's saying? "What if they held a war and nobody came?"
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #403 on: January 22, 2022, 06:25:48 PM »

That'll show the Russians how tough we are! /sarc

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #404 on: January 22, 2022, 07:50:54 PM »

I had Alexander from the Duran on in background. In short, the US wants to reply in writing to Russia but wants it kept secret. WTF? Also, France and Germany do not want to disconnect Russia from SWIFT or any sanctions that would hurt them too much. Also, maybe don't overfly our countries with arms for Ukraine. Plus, Germany told Lithuania not to send German made artillery to Ukraine.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #405 on: January 23, 2022, 11:24:18 AM »

IMO there will be no war unless the Kiev govt attacks the Eastern parts of Ukraine.
I understand the Europeans are telling Kiev they will not support such and action and the US kinda says they are on their own.

I heard that Biden saying the Russians will attack is causing some panic buying in Ukraine.

Remember the old 60's saying? "What if they held a war and nobody came?"

Isn't that the setting of the table behind the Rus false-flag...like last time?  LOL!  It's like when football teams on 4th down...defense jumping all over the place trying to get a O-lineman to twitch...then pounce for an easy offsides call to allow you to beat your chest and claim victory through victimhood...

Playground BS...

Somebody want to kill somebody for their property?  Man up, and go kill them...or STFD & STFU!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #406 on: January 23, 2022, 11:25:13 AM »

That'll show the Russians how tough we are! /sarc

https://youtu.be/__rdoWdT-m4
Spaced out? Russian cosmonaut’s visa denied by US
The United States has refused Russian cosmonaut Nikolai Chuba a visa without explanation. The controversial move has been criticized for posing a risk to international space cooperation and travel.

What does one expect from mentally-stunted adolescent Marxist clown-boxers?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #407 on: January 23, 2022, 11:29:18 AM »

I had Alexander from the Duran on in background. In short, the US wants to reply in writing to Russia but wants it kept secret. WTF? Also, France and Germany do not want to disconnect Russia from SWIFT or any sanctions that would hurt them too much. Also, maybe don't overfly our countries with arms for Ukraine. Plus, Germany told Lithuania not to send German made artillery to Ukraine.

Sounds about as fvcked up as I would expect from a bunch of childish Amerikan Marxists and spoiled-rotten-little bastard Eurotards...neither of which has any right to tell Baltic or Central European nations a damn thing about how to run their countries...they actually suffered under totalitarians (imperialist, fascist and communist) before...

Plus, this level of imbecilic confusion and crosstalk pretty much ensures only unconditional surrender or out of control warfare is the way out for all these dipsh!ts!

Heh, more fun...

https://thelibertydaily.com/u-k-releases-bold-statement-about-russia-which-kremlin-totally-denies/

BS?  Possible...but then anything literally is possible.  If there is an after-this Ukraine...let's see who leads it...that is the only evidence proving or disproving allegations like this.

ETA - Germany is one effed up nation...

https://trendingpolitics.com/germany-fires-navy-chief-for-saying-china-is-the-real-threat-not-russia/

...but then again every government is...it's just quibbling over matters of degree...   :o
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #408 on: January 24, 2022, 09:25:33 AM »
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying



Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #409 on: January 24, 2022, 10:36:19 AM »
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying



Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)

From your link
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Germany opens Nordstream 2, drops plans for US LNG port, refuses UK military overflight, holds direct talks with Moscow on Ukraine outside of NATO

Starting to look like they’ve worked more of this out than they want to let on
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #410 on: January 24, 2022, 12:00:57 PM »
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying



Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)

From your link
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Germany opens Nordstream 2, drops plans for US LNG port, refuses UK military overflight, holds direct talks with Moscow on Ukraine outside of NATO

Starting to look like they’ve worked more of this out than they want to let on

Yeah?  And?

Joe Biden is reportedly considering sending some three to five thousand troops to Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia as part of an effort to protect NATO states near Russia, to ward off Russia, given their aggressive actions toward Ukraine. Other NATO countries might also be kicking in troops under this plan, according to Fox News.  This Biden military move might not only include troops; they’re also considering naval vessels and aircraft.

The State Department has quietly sent special operations teams into Kyiv to help with a potential diplomatic evacuation, sources told Just the News, while Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Sunday rebuffed pleas from Ukraine to impose preemptive sanctions against a bellicose Russia.  The teams arrived last week, shortly before U.S. Embassy families were ordered to begin evacuating Ukraine, said the sources, who have direct knowledge of the events.  "This means that they're anticipating violence or complete deterioration in short order," said former Diplomatic Security Service Special Agent Dale McElhattan, who has taken part in diplomatic evacuations.

And in a reprise of the last debacle...

“Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US government will not be in a position to evacuate US citizens. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly.” Arrange commercial flights,” a State Dept. official is quoted as saying on a phone call.

It's swell Germany "worked something out" but the US & Russia have not.

And, invoking "the shiny object rule" what else is being planned back home?  Hmmm?

https://youtu.be/CYRzVzhmr-4


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #411 on: January 24, 2022, 12:37:20 PM »

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #412 on: January 24, 2022, 02:59:31 PM »

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
Ukraine pushed towards meltdown. Neocons Uni-Party pushing Biden towards war

FIFY

And Russia signed Budapest, and both ignore each other for their own benefit.
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« Reply #413 on: January 24, 2022, 07:23:11 PM »

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
Ukraine pushed towards meltdown. Neocons Uni-Party pushing Biden towards war

FIFY

And Russia signed Budapest, and both ignore each other for their own benefit.

I had no idea that the US or UN voted on the Minsk agreement. I thought it was just the involved countries.

As a right winger getting commie songs stuck in my head is embarrassing. I like The Internationale.

Back in 1973 the Madison Scouts Drum and Bugle Corps played a song they called Red Army March. I could never find it because the real name was Let's Go. I kinda had that song stuck in my head off and on for decades. I cannot remember if I just posted that song here or somewhere else. I just mentioned it with my brother so it was in my head last night. The song  is from a patriotic Russian movie. Years later the choir was en route to play for Russian troops in Syria. The plane crashed and killed all on board.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #414 on: January 24, 2022, 07:32:06 PM »


I have this somewhere. I bought it in a commie town in Italy long ago.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #415 on: January 25, 2022, 08:34:17 AM »
Well, something to play with while watching the next European war commence...

It seems for most things are so bad at home and since dealing with them honestly would require admissions of guilt or incompetence...the only way out is to go to war...

8,500 on alert to be thrown into the fire...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/biden-troops-europe/index.html

...with maybe another 50,000 later if needed...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10433933/Biden-considers-sending-thousands-troops-warships-aircraft-Eastern-Europe-Ukraine-Russia.html

Brits in MOD say Russians already in Ukraine...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10438895/Russian-soldiers-Ukraine-border-warns-UK-defence-minister.html

Hacktivists in Belarus say they've slowed the rail system shuttling troops and equipment...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/hactivists-say-they-hacked-belarus-rail-system-to-stop-russian-military-buildup/

Lithuania sending Stingers & TI's to Ukraine...

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3390622-lithuania-to-transfer-stinger-missiles-thermal-imagers-to-ukraine.html

The Truman remaining in Med instead of going to the PG...

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-to-hold-major-naval-drills-in-the-mediterranean-sea/a-60521598

...going to have to get one out of the West Coast, hope they don't step on their nuts again and move the Reagan west and leave Asia uncovered (Vinson has been out the longest, Lincoln just deployed and is with Vinson in PI area, would be wise to get Lincoln to PG and get Reagan in E.China Sea).  I hear Putin is holding exercises off Ireland...and actually the Russians are saying all fleets are going on exercises...

https://news.usni.org/2022/01/21/russian-navy-announces-more-major-fleet-exercises-as-drills-end-with-china-iran

US sends another 80 tons of stuff...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/23/politics/ukraine-us-second-weapons-shipment/index.html

And typically the the Russophile posters at ZeroHedge are buzzing with news on Ukraine...but they've been quiet on the subject for about 18 hours...must be a new record for them...no denouncing of imperialists, no protesting of false flags on Mother Russia...zip, zero, nada...

So either their state sources got nothing to offer...or there running silent on purpose...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #416 on: January 25, 2022, 01:01:14 PM »
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A remarkable failure of meaningful reporting about the massive military buildup in and around Ukraine in recent weeks results in most Americans having no idea how close we have been brought to armed conflict with the Russian Federation.

Even those Americans who have sought out news about Ukraine can do little more than watch from the sidelines as those currently leading our nation inch us toward a potential catastrophe.

?Although going to war is the most consequential decision that a nation can make, the people are rarely consulted by the elites, who are largely immunized from the consequences of their actions. If the people were actually consulted, wars would be rare events indeed.

?The rhetoric about the Ukraine conflict is out of control. President Joe Biden threatens that Russia would “pay a heavy price” for any incursion into Ukraine. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warns of “massive consequences” for Russia. Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, “We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action.” First-use nuclear action rhetoric is not only extremely dangerous, but these types of nonsensical remarks also threaten the stability of the entire world.

Policy wonks throw around the phrase “failure of imagination” when it comes to intelligence community failures. The entire Biden administration, along with the neocon defense and foreign policy thinks tanks in Washington, are failing to imagine the consequences of the dangers lurking in Eastern Europe currently.

War is not fair and is not meant to be. In fact, harking back to the failures in Afghanistan, during a recent State Department call, the following was stated: “Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US Government will not be in a position to evacuate US Citizens. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly.” A stunning statement of failure!

?We are again living out the maxim that “truth is the first casualty of war.” If the people are to have a chance to stop a conflagration, the first step is to resist the propaganda barrage from the establishment media and learn the truth. Only then we can demand our government stop beating the drums of war.

?The Biden administration wants us to believe that Russia is seeking to regain its former greatness by overthrowing the government of Volodymyr Zelensky and replacing it with a puppet government that it would control. The neocon-dominated establishment in both of our political parties wants us to believe that the Soviet Union still exists and is inherently expansionary.

Just as the nation was sold a hoax about Russia having elected President Donald Trump in 2016, another illusion now is being sold. Do not believe a word of it!

?Russia has explained repeatedly it has one core concern — Ukraine being admitted into the NATO military alliance.

Responding to the buildup, a Russian official explained in a Tass article: “We are alarmed by reports some member-countries of NATO have stepped up the deployment of lethal weapons and military personnel to Ukraine.”

And if Ukraine were admitted into NATO, with its strategic location, Russian knows that NATO and the U.S. could place missiles literally on its border, creating an existential threat to Russia.

?While Russia’s concern is obvious, the Biden administration has never even tried to explain the existence of any vital national interest of the United States in Ukraine that could justify hostilities. For his part, Blinken has asserted the principle that Ukraine must have the right to join NATO and claimed that principle could never be compromised. The Russians understand that would likely result in nuclear weapons being placed at its doorstep — closer to Russia than Cuba is to the United States.

?It should be obvious that there is no equivalency of interest here. None. NATO was established to preserve the peace, and it would be a tragedy of immense proportions if its threatened Eastern expansion would become the principal cause of a devastating war.

Let’s put the current conflict into a historical context. If President John Kennedy was justified in risking war to prevent nuclear missiles from being installed in Cuba in 1961, then why exactly is Russian President Vladimir Putin being reckless in risking war to prevent NATO weapons from being installed in Ukraine in 2022? Would any great nation allow the development of such a threat on its border?

?The world could have been thrown into war in October 1962 if Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev had not been willing to take into consideration the non-negotiable position that Kennedy was taking. Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba, and he later reciprocated Khruschev’s action by removing U.S. Jupiter missiles from Turkey. Both great nations acted responsibly, and the Cuban Missile Crisis ended peacefully.

?The events of October 1962 remind us that there are great principles that govern how great nations must treat each other to preserve the peace.

Part of my training as an Army officer was to study The Law of Nations by Emer de Vattel. This historic work was instrumental in guiding the Founders of our nation as it declared independence from England and charted our own course in the world. It takes principles of natural law and applies those principles to nations. It is a remarkable book.

Two of the principles set out in that book are of critical importance right now, and our foreign policy masters need reminding from time to time of these principles.

First, “Every nation … has … a right to prevent other nations from obstructing her preservation … that is, to preserve herself from all injuries … called the right to security … It is safest to prevent the evil, when it can be prevented.” This principle is the basis for the Monroe Doctrine and was exactly Kennedy’s response to the threat of Russian missiles in Cuba.

Second, “Every nation is obliged to cultivate the friendship of other nations, and carefully to avoid whatever might kindle their enmity against her.” De Vattel then added: “Wise and prudent nations often pursue this line of conduct from views of direct and present interest; a more noble, more general, and less direct interest, is too rarely the motive of politicians.”

All parties involved must seek to re-identify and apply those natural law principles to the current crisis before the world slips off into the abyss. While politicians generally double down on overblown rhetoric, there is still hope statesmen will arise, act responsibly and preserve the peace.

The United States and the Russian Federation are great nations. However, these great nations each have thousands of nuclear weapons that could kill hundreds of millions.

With those as the stakes, it would be wise for Biden and Blinken to listen to what Putin is saying and consider why Russia believes its vital national interests are at risk. If the United States has no comparable national interest to that of Russia, that should be the basis for de-escalation.

My strongest recommendation for consideration by those deciding the potential fate of humanity is to listen again to something George Washington, our first president, said about politics and war: “e honest and just ourselves and to exact it from others, meddling as little as possible in their affairs where our own are not involved. If this maxim was generally adopted, wars would cease …”

I am not pollyannish that war will forever cease; I am by nature a warrior. I do believe, however, from time to time, to be a nation at peace, we must return to our faith and our forefathers to remind ourselves what the real consequences of wars cause.

War is not fair — it is not meant to be — and a looming war with Russia would be anything but fair. Take that to the bank, if you can find one after a nuclear exchange.

https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-biden-might-get-hundreds-millions-killed-ukraine/

Naturally, I do not see eye to eye with Gen. Flynn on all points...I think he glossed over some key points in history relevant to any objective and fair discussion of Ukraine (it's past mistreatments by Russia, Russia ignoring Budapest agreement, US ignoring Minsk agreements...Russia violations causing INF treaty collapse and current hypersonic missile race, etc...) as well as glossing over some of the prime movers of the anti-Russia chorus (which is not limited to typical Uni-Party asshats) led by an entire political party on the left and Cucks on the right who share a common hatred of Donald Trump that is so psychotic that they are willing to go down in nuclear flames before admitting in the slightest there is no link between Trump and Russia that can be on par with Clinton, Obama & Biden et al...so filled with hatred they are of Trump and his enmity of a Communist China they are all totally in bed with...that war is more than acceptable option no matter the outcome for its captive citizens.

Anyway, looking for sanity among the insane is not a realistic expectation.  Would I (and most citizens in America and Russia) go for a deal that saw a no Ukraine i(Or Baltics or Poland and the like) n NATO pledge in return for a no meddling in Ukraine affairs and a return of all seized territory returned to Ukraine and safe passage of ethnic Russians back to Russian territory deal?  Yup.  But I do not see that happening, the psychotic DemCom's won't ever offer it or agree to it if Russia offered it...nor do I think Russia wants to give up what's it's taken (which invites everyone to do the same to their close neighbors)...so here we are.

And, let us not ever forget (or forgive!) it is primarily these DemCom's that are impelling this (with Cuck appeasement to be sure...but they're already on our sh!tlist so no forgiveness for them is already set!)...if not for a stolen 2020 election, I seriously we would be on the brink of nuclear war with Russia over a logically solved issue if approached with any kind of good faith.  In fact, maybe we could have set things in motion to get us the frack out of NATO for good and let the damned spoiled Euro's stand on their damned own legs!



I hope the Russian people and its government knows who it is that is at fault here, it is not We the captive oppressed people of an illegitimate Marxist regime...please keep that in mind if you are able.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #417 on: January 26, 2022, 08:21:35 AM »
LOL!  Russia still deploying assets and staging drills all along land and sea...Occupied America usurpers continue to talk of deployments...but the oft feckless NATO once again blinked...

 “NATO will not deploy NATO combat troops to Ukraine,"-NATO Pooh-Bah Stoltenberg

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-stages-snap-war-drills-near-ukraine-tensions-edge

I guess NATO can't deploy and contribute to the drafting of a diplomatic document at the same time!   ::hysterical::

And, my numerous previous statements as to the uselessness of Euro's is affirmed once again...as always they want America to do all the heavy work and cover the tab...while they scheme on the side...and their dependence on Russian energy is making NATO and US participation in it look dumber and dumber by the second...

In other news some are speculating this is not a mistake...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/millions-without-power-after-blackouts-hit-kazakhstan-uzbekistan-kyrgyzstan

...yes or no really doesn't matter IMO...if no its just normal news...if yes it won't be the last time here there anywhere.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #418 on: January 26, 2022, 08:45:20 AM »
I was busy with life during Iraq war and assumed that because the congressional secret committees had access to lots of secret information that they must know what they were doing. In hind sight that was wrong IMO.

I have drilled down into some issues after that. Libya, Syria, and the fake gas attacks. The US destroyed Libya for no good reason and screwed the people there. Ghaddafi was a pretty good leader and did lots of good things, especially compared to the countries around him. That included stopping the terrorism support and paying reparations for the plane explosion.

As a result I no longer believe the US govt  propaganda any more than Russian propaganda. Ukraine would have been much better off if they had been allowed to establish improved trade relations with Russia. Instead the US backed a coup which lead to where we are today.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #419 on: January 26, 2022, 11:57:48 AM »
Well, regardless...nobody cares what anybody says...

Can be no meeting of minds with minds made up...
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