Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

SITYS -

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/15/russian-military-drills-conclude-troop-withdrawal-begins-white-house-proclaims-the-stunning-strength-and-brilliant-strategic-thinking-of-joe-biden-averted-thermonuclear-war/

Dangerous desperate degenerates...

PS - Who dunnit?

Can't rule anybody out...not the least of which is CIA using cutouts...

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-business-europe-russia-e791990f60841b599f664c34f58403de

[patentlymn]

I had the Duran on in background. They had a guest who lives in Ukraine.
He said there is no evidence of any planned invasion and such would be obvious if there was to be an invasion.
Most people near him have relatives in Ukraine Russia and nothing is going on they say.
Also no one is panicking in his city where an invasion would first hit. He is 40 km from the border I think.

They said Russian troops are in existing bases, not camped along the border.

They said the US embassy is destroying records for show as they say they will move their embassy but if done that will harm the US and Ukrainian citizens big time. Also the Ukrainian currency is steady with no signs of dropping as in 2014.
Russians think the US govt and MSM are goofy with all their talk of invasion.

[Libertas]

Well, somebody is stirring something...

It was a relatively quiet overnight session until just before 11pm ET on Wednesday, when Russia's RIA Novosti news agency reported that Russian-backed separatists claimed Ukrainian forces had violated cease-fire rules in four places with a message posted on the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR)’s  Telegram channel claiming that "the situation on the line of contact has sharply escalated. The enemy is making attempts to unleash active hostilities." This was followed promptly by the Ukrainian government returning the accusation and pointing the finger at separatists as being behind the shooting. Amid the he fired, she fired confusion, monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), which has been observing the situation in eastern Ukraine, recorded numerous shelling incidents along the line of contact in Donbas on Thursday morning, a diplomatic source told Reuters.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-slide-following-reports-ukraine-shelling

So, is the Duran's guy not near the border, not near the shelling...deaf...?

Does this "guest" have a name or nationality of origin?

Anyway, the shelling above seems real...trusting a Russian news source quoting Russian-backed separatists posting a message on a DPR channel seems asking a lot...and BTW can that prose be more tortuous?  Massive red flag on that.  It's just as likely the separatists lobbed first knowing independent observers are not well positioned to tell...and Ukraine responded...which would make the OSCE's report of general "shelling" being unattributed the confirmation of this likely scenario.

They hysteria from any quarter is BS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-donbass-rebels-accuse-each-other-violating-ceasefire-kremlin-denies-troop

...fresh off their last manufactured victory lap they thirst for more...

...really, I am all for border skirmishes...have some snipers pick off the highest ranking targets they can find...maybe widen no mans land a bit more...

[patentlymn]

Here is the guest they had on the duran. I cannot remember if I listened to the whole things that well.
My main take away was that people in Ukraine and Russia are related to each other and any prep for invasion in Russia would be noticed and reported back to the relatives and friends in Ukraine.
They were mocking the idea of the Feb 16 invasion.

Some source maybe an interview with some expert interviewed by the Hoover Stanford guy talked about Putin. He said Putin got everything he wanted recently from the US without firing a shot..

Some source maybe the duran said there was shooting across maybe the contact line. I cannot remember if the shelling was across the Russia Ukraine border or more likely across the Ukraine contact line in the east.
https://rumble.com/vv3c78-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-on-invasion-day-and-trudeaus-martial-law-w-gonzalo.html

[Libertas]

Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   

[patentlymn]

Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'

[Libertas]

Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'

Demented old pervy pedo probably should stop assaulting little girls and STFU!

[patentlymn]

Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'

Demented old pervy pedo probably should stop assaulting little girls and STFU!

According to the diary of Biden's daughter, Biden would come into the shower with her when she was an adolescent, as best I recall.

[Libertas]

This Lukashenko bastard is one batshyt-crazy loon...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-threatens-deploy-nukes-against-any-western-aggression

...but Putin seems to like nuts...the nuttier the better I guess...

...but he'll have permanent bases in Belarus and nukes...what's not to like?

/

Meanwhile, cannot wait to hear all the hilarious stories about why the Donbas separatists (Russians) are fleeing into Russia (Rostov)...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia

...seems to me that if masses on one side of the border are peaceful and exercises why the other is nefarious and intending invasion...seems it is Zelensky's turn to ask Putin what his date for invasion is? 

Petulant children in Washington and Moscow.

And why would Zelensky negotiate with separatist Russians and not the real Russians backing them?  Duh!

Pushilin can't so much as fart without Vlad's written permission, so it seems the over the top rhetoric is the only real battle raging in Moscow and Washington.

 

 

[patentlymn]

The Duran guys were reporting small arms, machine guns, and grenade attacks across the contact line but no heavy artillery so far.

[Libertas]

Skittish dancers...such a tease!

See this?

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/russia-expels-deputy-u-s-ambassador-washington-to-respond-ria

PNG ping-pong!   

And I cannot blame the Baltics for being nervous...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-likely-launch-limited-military-attack-against-ukraine-estonian-2022-02-16/

...no matter what government runs Russia the preeminent Slavic ruler gene is ever-present.

Heck, the three should seize Königsberg...   

And everybody wants anti-tank missiles...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/16/poles-want-1000-us-anti-tank-missiles-ukraine/

...well, sure.  Anti-air & anti-tank always high on shopping lists...snooze ya lose...

[patentlymn]

Shelling across the Ukranian contact line.
https://rumble.com/vv9m0y-situation-in-donbass-massively-escalates-war-prospects-rise.html
Situation in Donbass Massively Escalates, War Prospects Rise
Alexander Mercouris Published February 18, 2022

[Libertas]

Putin is keeping a low profile...says things are "deteriorating" in Eastern Ukraine...while letting his ministers talk tough and his "separatists" increase their war footing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-separatist-leaders-declare-full-military-mobilization

Gas pipeline explosion (ignoring JoeFraud for now in this link...see more below)...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia

As for JoeFraud and the DeepState...they're still pushing the invasion immanent chatter...

Austin citing FoggyBottom approval of $6B Abrams tank deal sending 250 units to Poland pokes the bear, on top of the $6.5B deal sending 32 F-35's...and staging more US fighters there...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/18/putin-tank-deal-poland-00010107

Company of Stryker's to Bulgaria...

https://warriormaven.com/global-security/russia-ukraine-invasion-stryker-vehicles

And pimping the story that post-invasion Russia plans arrests and assassinations...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/russia-ukraine-arrest-assassination-invasion/

...anonymous IC sources... (snort!)

And "concerned" over Zelensky visiting Munich...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-concerned-zelenskyys-trip-munich-rcna16856

...when it is more likely he is moving forward with his visit for two logical reasons - 1) to downplay Washington's over-heated rhetoric (this seems to be confirmed by Ukraine Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov saying the probability of Russia invading is "low") and 2) to tell idiot #2 (Heels-Up Harris) to tell idiot #1 (JoeFraud) to STFD & STFU.

I think Zelensky has a good handle on things and a balanced approach...and as long as Putin doesn't rise to any bait (though it may be problematic controlling his "separatists" in this regard) and ignore the Swampcritters...with enough time passing and Russian units RTBing after exercises things settle down and the Swampcritters find a new crisis to run with...

[patentlymn]

It would be nice if there were journalists who would report on the exact amount of shelling across the conflict line into Eastern Ukraine.

[Libertas]

No journalists...only propagandists...

Anybody unbiased would likely become a victim...

[patentlymn]

^^^^^
I still remember after a 'gas attack' in Syria the MSM reported it as fact and said that Assad was preventing the press from going to the city in order to cover his tracks. So some OAN reporter Pearson Sharp drove to the city with camera man and interpreter and walked around and talked to the locals and even the ER docs where a little boy was hosed off on some propaganda video.  In short, no gas attack just some dust inside the shelter tunnels. The US launched cruise missiles in response to a fake gas attack. There was massive cover up later as well. A previous gas attack was likely faked as well as I recall but the MSM did not examine it.

Some guy covered the Afghan war against the Soviets by embedding with the Mujahedin. Robert D. Kaplan. He said the war was not covered because journalists could not find 5 star hotels to stay in. He is an excellent writer. How he is still alive I will never know.

[Libertas]

Syria was a distraction to hide the fact Obamao was running weapons to crazies...same reason our Ambassador and American contractors were left to die in Benghazi and senior military leaders in-theater were sacked (and increased all the pace of all sackings that gave us the woke idiot REMFs we have now)...

Now, it appears the Unholy Macron wants an easy dunk with Putin...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine

...and Putin is glad to play along and look like he is giving something that was already planned...

...leaving DeepState here looking like buffoons again.

Speaking of buffoons...looks like I nailed it in my assessment for Zelensky going to this meeting...

Listening to Heels-Up Harris is painful...skip to 1:47 mark to avoid that sh!t...

https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs

...he's polite in this meeting...

...but not pulling his punches in his address - "...someone is lying"...with that he is talking to the puppetmasters, not JoeFraud or Heels-Up...as well as Putin and his "separatists"...and he is going into details...WaPo & NYT and their masters (CIA & FoggyBottom) not going to be happy...nor is Putin and his people...



...and he is chastising the EU for being feckless and Russia for being ignorant of their past aggressions...he's trying an independent course for Ukraine to determine its own way and own allies in the spirit of past agreements including Minsk...but navigating DeepState American needs for conflict and distraction, conflicting Euro positions and self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic rule of Russia is perhaps the most bold juggling act any human has ever undertaken.

His shot at Russia about NATO Article 5 being a more effective guarantee of peace than Budapest is not without merit...Putin doesn't acknowledge Budapest...and bending the knee to Russia is not an option for any nation wanting to be free.

Actually the most radical solution may be the only solution for an independent Ukraine...becoming a nuclear power...and telling everybody East and West to leave them alone, or else.

CNN twit...doesn't get the answers she wants that puppet JoeFraud or his masters want to hear...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232

I think his groan was answer enough!   

[patentlymn]

Alexander from the Duran said that the Ukraine forces were attempting to break through the conflict line in Ukraine. Also some shells landed inside Russia. Does not mean it is true.
If Ukraine (Kiev) does cross that line I think Putin will respond with military.

https://youtu.be/ooUwlsGO_sc
Holding the line in East Ukraine & distraction from crisis in Canada
3,330 views
Feb 20, 2022
Alex Christoforou
37.5K subscribers

[patentlymn]

Syria was a distraction to hide the fact Obamao was running weapons to crazies...same reason our Ambassador and American contractors were left to die in Benghazi and senior military leaders in-theater were sacked (and increased all the pace of all sackings that gave us the woke idiot REMFs we have now)...

Now, it appears the Unholy Macron wants an easy dunk with Putin...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine

...and Putin is glad to play along and look like he is giving something that was already planned...

...leaving DeepState here looking like buffoons again.

Speaking of buffoons...looks like I nailed it in my assessment for Zelensky going to this meeting...

Listening to Heels-Up Harris is painful...skip to 1:47 mark to avoid that sh!t...

https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs

...he's polite in this meeting...

...but not pulling his punches in his address - "...someone is lying"...with that he is talking to the puppetmasters, not JoeFraud or Heels-Up...as well as Putin and his "separatists"...and he is going into details...WaPo & NYT and their masters (CIA & FoggyBottom) not going to be happy...nor is Putin and his people...



...and he is chastising the EU for being feckless and Russia for being ignorant of their past aggressions...he's trying an independent course for Ukraine to determine its own way and own allies in the spirit of past agreements including Minsk...but navigating DeepState American needs for conflict and distraction, conflicting Euro positions and self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic rule of Russia is perhaps the most bold juggling act any human has ever undertaken.

His shot at Russia about NATO Article 5 being a more effective guarantee of peace than Budapest is not without merit...Putin doesn't acknowledge Budapest...and bending the knee to Russia is not an option for any nation wanting to be free.

Actually the most radical solution may be the only solution for an independent Ukraine...becoming a nuclear power...and telling everybody East and West to leave them alone, or else.

CNN twit...doesn't get the answers she wants that puppet JoeFraud or his masters want to hear...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232

I think his groan was answer enough!   

Now Zelensky says he might want nukes. Just what the world needs. Knowing how corrupt Ukraine is they might sell them to Iran. Recall how they sold military equipment to drug lords.

I recall some theories on why the US embassy in Syria was attacked.
As you recall, the people attacking said "Corsi sent us." The then Egyptian president. The attackers were professional according to those on site watching the mortars being advanced in professionally.
There had to be a reason.
1. The US was sending the weapons stored at Benghazi to Syria via Turkey and they were angry as they considered the weapons theirs.
2. They wanted to kidnap the ambassador and exchange him for the blind sheik. There was evidence they did not attack him when they could have. He died of smoke inhalation not gun shots or mortars. They apparently wanted him alive.
3. #2 but Obama knew of it. The attackers knew the ambassador was there. That is why Obama lied about the reason for the attack (a movie) when the truth would have been better. Oama had earlier said he might be open to releasing the blind sheik.


Kim reports on the Zero Hedge works for Russia BS
https://youtu.be/LS2xb7O_z6Y
Zero Hedge Labeled 'Russian Asset' Without Evidence By Biden Admin For Countering Narratives
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Feb 20, 2022
Kim Iversen

[patentlymn]

Retired general is saying what many have said here. Given satellite photos, we would see Russian forces moving out of bases, to assembly areas to be gassed up and "up gunned" (whatever that means). He says Ukraine has zero defense against Russian missiles and planes. He seems in favor of giving them that and the US had the chance but passed.

He says Russia moved up their nuke force tests from October to now. He also asked why Zelensky left the country at this time!

https://youtu.be/D5adY6puBqg
Gen. Jack Keane talks ramifications of potential Russian invasion