Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

In other news...

Russian Defense Ministry said it was butthurt over something UK FM said that led to their escalation in their nuclear posture to hair-trigger status...though they are unable to specify what exactly...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-raising-nuclear-alert-was-entirely-fault-uks-foreign-secretary

...comforting they are so thick skinned...

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Meanwhile, life for Russian citizen gets more difficult...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/apple-google-payment-systems-block-russians-causing-chaos-moscow-metro-system

Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/market-starting-fail-buyers-balk-buying-russian-oil-despite-record-discounts

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/70-russian-crude-trade-frozen-surgut-again-fails-sell-any-urals-big-tenders

...which will accelerate.

OPEC as always going with greed over need...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil-surges-super-backwardation-after-opec-sticks-production-plan-shuns-bidens-demands

...that will never change, which Trump knew well and why he opened our production and exploration and distribution up.

And now the puppetmaster's are whispering into JoeFraud's ear...

Looking at sanctioning Russia energy now that corporations are doing it anyway -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out

And the hypocritical clown is now begging domestic producers to produce more -

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/white-house-quietly-calls-us-oil-companies-increase-production

...which if they were smart would not begin until he and his rabid puking-dogs in Congress repeal every shackle on the industry!!!

And I doubt more talks...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out

...will accomplish squat.  At this point Ukraine is almost immaterial...the other nations not wanting to be next on the Bear's dinner plate will be sprinting into Western hands...looks like Russia blew open Pandora's Box and is getting exactly what is said it feared most.

[patentlymn]

Opinion piece via vox day
https://voxday.net/2022/03/02/justified-and-necessary/
...
Ostensibly, following the Minsk agreements, there was a ceasefire. In reality, Donbass residents in villages bordering peace lines are incessantly subject to Ukrainian shelling. Ukraine uses heavy weapons in violation of the agreement, including 82mm and 120mm mortar shells, routinely shelling at night when Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) observers are not patrolling the area.
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In the interim the country has become ZATOised, subjecting the Donbass region to endless blockades, rocket attacks and shelling. As recorded by the OECD on the day before Russia invaded Kiev fired over 1,500 shells on villages in Donetsk and Luganask…
...
But Ukrainian forces also shell during the day, and have done so a lot more of late, including allegedly with phosphorus, and shelling further behind the front lines.
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One of these was the mayor of Gorlovka, a city northeast of Donetsk, who on his Telegram channel on February 19 detailed the nearby villages of Zaitsevo and Mine 6/7 being under heavy weapons fire (by Ukraine). On February 20, he wrote of Mine 6/7 and another village being heavily shelled since early morning, with locals saying more than one hundred hits occurred.
...


UKRAINE MAP DAY 6 – The Saker

video clip about the cauldron
https://youtu.be/vqSWv9OynUg?t=399
Military end game comes into focus. Biden SOTU, more about Russia than USA
13,472 views
Mar 2, 2022
Alex Christoforou
42K subscribers

Also he says the Russian advance is good compared to past wars.
https://voxday.net/2022/03/01/ukraine-invasion-a-comparative-analysis/

[Libertas]

It's going to be a conflict zone for decades.

Hope Russia enjoys occupied Ukraine...they're not going to get anything else.

Anonymous cyber-attack has Russian Space Agency in knots...

https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4803987/anonymous-russia-space-agency-roscosmos/

...claims it has lost control over its spy satellites.

Russian officials seem perfectly fine with escalation...

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699089



I bet that threat backfires too...send other nations even faster into Western arms.

[patentlymn]

In other news...
...
Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia
 

Didn't the Germans blow up cooling towers? Now what.
Funny to see Germany change their minds on nuclear.


https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280
Watch Germany Blow up Two Nuclear Cooling Towers as Minister Says 'The Future Lies in Renewable Energies'
By Jason Murdock On 5/15/20 at 5:14 AM EDT

[Libertas]

In other news...
...
Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia
 

Didn't the Germans blow up cooling towers? Now what.
Funny to see Germany change their minds on nuclear.


https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280
Watch Germany Blow up Two Nuclear Cooling Towers as Minister Says 'The Future Lies in Renewable Energies'
By Jason Murdock On 5/15/20 at 5:14 AM EDT

That was pre-Ukraine...this is post-Ukraine...

[Libertas]

See this?

Jeez, we give JoeFraud a hard time about loving the basement...never thought bare-chested alpha-Slav would go that route with his kin...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479733-putin-allegedly-moves-his-family-to-underground-nuclear-war-proof-bunker-in-siberia/

...since "authorities" in Moscow rousted him and denounce him as a crackpot...that isn't exactly the kind of news that invalidates the assertions...far as I know there has been no credible evidence to say it isn't true...which in the families case ought to be pretty easy...here's a film clip at XYZ...and another ABC...

Anyway, all I wanna know is where is his mistress stashed?  May be more than one but thought he had a favorite...dancer, signer...something like that...that's where Vlad will be near...



...no, not her...not that I know of...

 

[Libertas]

And piggybacking on your "cauldron" guys...seems to jive with this Col Macgregor's analysis...so far he is one of the few Americans who appears to know his ass from a random hole in the ground...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4svTsmKlelU&feature=emb_rel_end


H/T-CTH

...and I think he is accurate in Putin's goals going in and spot-on on his China angle...but I would dispute a few points:

1)  Putin cannot stay with his plan one way or another...if he stops after pounding the cities to ashes and retreats to the East of the Dnieper and holds the East, he is back to square one with the West...he just has more territory for a buffer.  Zelensky, or whoever ruling West Ukraine will not want to be invaded again...and for arguments sake say negotiations go Putin's way and a no-NATO pledge is signed...Western Ukraine would be stupid not to arm itself to the teeth no matter how deep in debt they would go...and also be stupid not to develop their own nuclear program.  Basically, Putin might have more buffer, but he would have an angry neighbor wanting payback one day.  If Putin realizes this then he would be forced to occupy all of Ukraine and be tied down there for perpetuity and it would become ground-zero for a proxy war with Russia through an active insurgency.  And economic sanctions under either would remain or get worse.

2)  Macgregor may be fundamentally correct on the relative military weakness (and certainly dependence on the US)...but NATO nations and non-NATO wanna-be members and the other Central European nations near Russia fear being the next meal and are arming up or moving to increase their defense spending...even without new NATO members the nations are all going to be arming up and possibly seeking nuclear status.  All Putin did was create sufficient fear to spur them to self-reliance and I do not see this abating once the initial Ukrainian action ratchets down a few notches.

3)  I am not at all convinced Putin has "baked in" all of the costs of this adventure.

I think we are realistically looking at years and perhaps decades of tension, reprisals and a continental arms race.

And hey, I welcome European nations arming up...the sooner the US can de-couple from the continent and they can stand up for themselves, the better!

[Libertas]

Latest news....

Heard last night Kherson fell - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out

Odessa & Mariupol seems next sourthern targets...and Kharkiv has been getting pummeled and not sure how much longer it can hold out...that it hasn't been captured yet is astounding to me.  Russian blew up Babyn Yar holocaust memorial too...Zelensky offered a sarcastic "congratultions".

Russian Oligarch's fleeing to the Indian Ocean - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/are-russian-oligarchs-fleeing-sea-maldives-biden-aims-seize-billions

Nowhere is really "safe"...silly Oligarchs!   

Refugees might want to reconsider being in Moldova - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-ukrainian-refugees-are-fleeing

Some chatter indicates it may be the next target of Russia.

AMMO, Inc giving 1M rounds - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prepared-move-quickly-us-ammo-company-donate-one-million-rounds-ukraine

Best move quick.

Lot's of talk of a partitioning of Ukraine, maybe multiple partitionings...don't see Zelensky and the people liking that much.

Kiev taking hits last night...

https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/watch-massive-explosions-turn-darkness-to-light-in-kyiv/

...some could be thermobarics.

Anyway, back here in ClownWorld...

“Should Americans be worried about nuclear war?” Old Joe replied with a flat “No,” and experienced Biden watchers know what that means: start worrying.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/03/biden-says-dont-worry-about-nuclear-war-so-start-robert-spencer/

Jello-headed puppet JoeFraud would be the last to know...well, before us people...so yeah...



 

This is hilarious...Russian guy on TV says economy going to sh*t, quitting and going back to being a street Santa...

https://twitter.com/tjournal/status/1499300107837128704

Hey, pal...our idiot no better...

[Libertas]

FWIW - https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-699136

Without security council action it is only symbolic...about all I found interesting was this...

Five countries opposed the UN-backed resolution: Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Belarus.

Nice friends...though many like Commie China, Cuba, Persian Mahdi Death Cultists abstained...while others like Venezuela didn't bother attending...

And why did those commie pussies abstain, only to blame the West anyway?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/after-deafening-silence-un-vote-china-blames-us-nato-ukraine-war

Gutless clowns.

Couple that with Lavrov accusing the US of being like Napoleon and Nazi Germany and butthurt that Russian obsession with WWIII only being nuclear is raising concerns in the West...

Sounds like Kruschev banging his stinky shoe on a podium...

Hey, assclown...how about zipping the loose nuke talk?!

And the Unholy Macron sees talks going nowhere...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-says-prepare-worst-ukraine-after-disheartening-putin-call

Also, who is mining the Black Sea?

https://shipandbunker.com/news/world/954987-estonian-cargo-ship-sinks-in-black-sea-after-explosion

Russophiles blaming Ukraine trying to repel Russian landing craft...

 

And in yet more confirmation that my reading of the fragile Russian psyche is spot on...

Also on Thursday the head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), Sergei Naryshkin, issued a series of bombshell statements which may reveal Moscow's broader aims in the war concerning how Russia's sees its ultimate security aims. Naryshkin said that "for us this is no longer a Cold War with the West but a hot war," according to Interfax. He said in the rare statement that "Russia now has a real chance to put an end to the war that has been waged in the Post-Soviet space for the past 30 years" - as also quoted in TASS.

And not just that...these guys are wagging the dog like Imperialist W Bush - WMD's, WMD's, WMD's!!!

The head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), Sergei Naryshkin, has stated that the SVR had obtained intelligence showing that Ukraine was working on building its own nuclear weapons. Naryshkin stressed that President Volodymyr Zelensky's threats to abandon the Budapest Agreement were "not an empty promise".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-lay-siege-ukrainian-seaports-2nd-round-ceasefire-talks-start

And cherry-picking Budapest for desert while never acknowledging the rest of the meal!  They really are looking like they are reverting to their Soviet ways!

OK, ...you want a Mulligan?  I'm starting to warm up to one...pledge a conventional-only engagement...name the place...let's everybody dance.  Otherwise, set your ass down and STFU.

Dear God they are gloomy needy bastards...

[Pandora]

A different point of view:

https://barnesreview.org/the-donbass-rebellion-and-the-political-idea-of-novorossiya/

[Libertas]

It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.

[Pandora]

It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.

Libertas, how would you know that he didn't?  How could that become known what with the "Trump is Putin's puppet" BS going on for 3-4 years?  With all the WuFlu lies we've been fed for the same amount of time, how in the world can what we're being fed now - and FROM THE SAME SOURCES - about what's going on re:  Ukraine/Russia be taken as truth?

[paulh]

I've been watching Telemundo for info. Can't understand a damn word but the pics and hand gyrations are better than anything on USA feeds

[patentlymn]

Funny video as usual from him.

https://rumble.com/vw8q9n-ukraine-and-russia-what-the-media-wants-you-to-think.html
Awaken With JP Published March 2, 2022

[Libertas]

It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.

Libertas, how would you know that he didn't?  How could that become known what with the "Trump is Putin's puppet" BS going on for 3-4 years?  With all the WuFlu lies we've been fed for the same amount of time, how in the world can what we're being fed now - and FROM THE SAME SOURCES - about what's going on re:  Ukraine/Russia be taken as truth?

I don't, and apparently nobody does...and how would we know and from whom if not "there"?  All we know for sure is under Obama/Biden Ukraine Eastern provinces go to crap and Crimea gets seized...nothing happened under Trump...now with JoeFraud an invasion in Europe not seen since WWII.

I can only divine truth-for-now based upon past experience and my own knowledge, same as anybody.

But to the heart of your question, if the above is not sufficient for someone...then there really is no answer, by anybody, is there?

It reminds me of the endless dances I had with the fevered Russophiles at ZeroHedge over the years...their source of truth is Putin, TASS, RT...is the West's any better?  No.  Pockets, it's all we have...a nugget here, a pebble there...most people know the biases people/outfits have...obvious BS is easily spotted (I didn't bother with the Ghost of Kiev crap, but Congressmorons here fell for it)...trying to tell people totally invested that their guy isn't any better than ours, they're government isn't any better than ours, that corruption greed and power drive most all...don't want to hear that.  Like anti-Trumpers...Trump is Hitler, Orange Man Bad...Putin is wise, 4D chessmaster...America sucks, Russia is free...America is Godless and immoral, Russia is Christian and pure...

Who believes that crap?

And, if there is no answer, no truth...it is also true that what we think or don't think doesn't matter...nobody making the decisions on anybody's side is listening...and why would they listen to nobody's?

I reckon the only people feeling good about their place in the world are the morons who've picked a leader/nation and follow in lock-step and shout down any attacks using the incendiary verbiage of latter day minions - hater, racist, imperialist, fascist,...

Hope I didn't go too deep down the rabbit hole...

[Libertas]

I've been watching Telemundo for info. Can't understand a damn word but the pics and hand gyrations are better than anything on USA feeds

 

Did ya see those Indian (dot) talking heads going off on each other...the one guy confused the names and got the guy he wasn't mad at thinking he was mad at him...

 

[Libertas]

Funny video as usual from him.

https://rumble.com/vw8q9n-ukraine-and-russia-what-the-media-wants-you-to-think.html
Awaken With JP Published March 2, 2022

Nice, see this is what Pan was talking about...this guy is funny, I've linked some of his stuff before...

Gosh, what's true?  The Tulsi Gabbard clip proves my point about no difference between nations...Putin & Zelensky control media, crackdown on opposition politicians...in America media is 95% controlled by the DemCom's, opposition is gagged, denounced...criminalized...people are rotting in the DC Gulag for being political dissidents at the wrong place and wrong time...invited in by "police"...

No differences, gradients and degrees, period!

So, funny man is buying the "gotta put US boots on the ground in Ukraine...and goes on and on on that to basically tell people Ukraine isn't worth it...

Well, is his tack "helpful"?  Mmm?

I posit it is possible to both despise the move by Putin and his logic for doing so...sympathize with Ukraine and its independence from any outside influence and the means to defend themselves...and not want US boots anywhere near that ground...

Apparently to funny man and those like him, that's an impossible position to take.

Well gosh...shall we bow to that lazy brilliance?

It's like the indentured DemCom bleating "it's too hard...I can't do it!"...

Yeah...

I guess I have to preface links now or what?

Mayor & citizens - real or fake, you decide -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479787-watch-russians-give-town-ultimatum-resist-and-we-will-kill-you-heres-their-response/

Kremlin advisor - real or fake -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479801-kremlin-advisor-urges-putin-to-seek-a-ceasefire-calls-invasion-embarrassing-for-russia/

Angry invadees, real or fake -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479804-ukrainian-citizens-march-against-russian-soldiers-shooting-at-them/

...aaaand, go!

OK, being a smart-ass (guilty, repeat offender and I will do it again!)...but people need to start making up their own minds...

But, in latter day Earth, does it matter?  Who listens to us?

[Libertas]

Far as I can tell AP got this wrong...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479865-russia-shells-europes-largest-nuclear-plant-in-ukraine-setting-building-on-fire/

Shelled, yes...but an administrative building...not a reactor...and no confirmation of firefighters being shot, they were allowed to put out the fire...

Still, lobbing ordnance anywhere near a nuclear power plant, especially one of the top 10 largest on the planet...probably a very stupid thing to do...

About as stupid as Cuck Lindsey calling for the assassination of Putin...first, it invites reprisals (not that I care right now)...and because logistically it's just DOA (everybody everywhere has a succession of idiots lined up behind the current head honcho who is often just as bad as the asshole you already have)...

I am more interested in just what the heck is going on in Russia...

The Entire staff of the Russian TV channel “the rain” resigned during a live stream with last words: “no war” and then played “swan lake” ballet video (just like they did on all USSR tv channels when it suddenly collapsed)
https://www.weaselzippers.us/479847-staff-of-entire-russian-news-channel-resigns-on-air-plays-swan-lake-just-like-they-did-when-the-ussr-collapsed/

Indians (dot) reporting it too...

https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/russian-tv-rain-sign-out-saying-no-to-war-plays-swan-lake-as-staff-walk-out-7800387/

More...

https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/03/russia-blocks-tv-rain-its-last-independent-tv-channel-and-tv-rain-airs-its-last-broadcast/

Czar Vald deemed them subversive tools of foreign devils!  Yeah...  Well, JoeFraud's latest FCC nominee has plans for the same in America...crazy loon wants to nuke FoXNews...which is hilarious since they're largely line-holders with very few exceptions (witch has a hatred of Tucker Carlson)...so...we're on our way to state enlightenment only status too...

 

[patentlymn]

I do not doubt it.
I recall that the Kiev govt shut down 3 opposition TV stations. And jailed some opposition politicians. That was long before the Russian military movements.

Also, the Russians already had controlled the plant so had no need the shell the plant. The plant is also upwind of Russia.
I think some out building was taken over by some Ukrainian soldiers and fighting ensued.

[Pablo de Fleurs]

Putin is not a "good guy" . . . but, in this situation on the world stage, he's the good guy.