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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #540 on: March 06, 2022, 10:07:33 AM »
Well I'll stick to my guns that there are no "good" guys...

But the longer this goes on the more nuts its getting...

The slow strangulation of major cities is also giving your enemy time to prepare...and get a high-value score now and then - https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1499332138918944773

...and it probably means the civilian body count goes higher.

Putin keeps issuing warnings...like he's concerned, or something...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479906-putin-cries-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/

...yeah yeah yeah, red line, nuclear war, blah blah blah...nobody cares...

In more disturbing news, Russia is using JoeFraud's desperation to restart the unsane Obamao-Mahdi Death Cult deal to carve out its special monopoly with the cultists -

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fears-grow-russia-holding-iran-nuke-deal-hostage-over-ukraine-related-sanctions

...sounds like a march made in Hell...and TeamFraud is just stupid and desperate enough to go along with it.

Heck, everything Occupied America is doing benefits Russia and China in the end -

Hegemony in Persia...Ukraine...next up Moldova and Taiwan for China.

These latest moves...could be called The Rise of the Corporatists (they kinda remind me of Crimson Dawn...doing the dirty little things for Sith lieutenants)...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479909-visa-mastercard-will-no-longer-work-in-russia/

And by crippling domestic oil & gas production, exploration and distribution in America and making us more dependent upon those hostile to us...

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/05/russian-oil-and-gas-operations-emit-30-percent-more-methane-than-american-producers/

...ironically in the name of worshipping the false god of Climate Change...these foreign producers spew the dreaded greenhouses gases into Gaia's precious lungs at a rate far exceeding our domestic producers!

So, not only are our corrupt leaders screwing us and benefiting them...they are ensuring the end of the dollar as the world reserve currency comes a heck of a lot quicker.  By making life harder for the Russian citizen the only aim can be to foment domestic unrest that pours out into the streets...and it is doing some of that...but most Russians are genetically incapable of making revolution without a charismatic leader leading it...so I doubt we'll see this payoff...instead, between this and Swift...they'll move the BRICS to act faster on an alternative system.


H/T-WZ

And the extra-legal impoundment fever sweeping the West (hey, our Feds, states, counties & cities been doing this to people for decades now!) is picking up steam...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italy-seizes-villas-and-yachts-worth-150-million-russian-oligarchs

...and no doubt reprisals are coming for Western oligarchs...so...  Meh...

And if Zelensky made one mistake, it was trusting JoeFraud a bit too much...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/furious-zelensky-lashes-out-weak-nato-not-imposing-no-fly-zone

...there will be no no-fly zone...

...and since JoeFraud (his handlers) were askeered of jets to Ukraine (just too dangerous)...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/05/revealed-the-real-reason-that-deal-to-send-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-fell-through-n532223

...Ukraine being able to defend itself with any lasting strength appears to have never been a consideration.

It appears TeamFraud wanted an invasion, not just for the distraction back here...but knowing based upon past Russian invasions of their neighbors the likelihood of a crushing defeat of Ukraine and a thorough occupation and hunting down of anti-Russian elements would likely cause a lot of damage...any surviving proof of Biden-Clinton corruption would be eliminated...or rendered moot if waved in the air by desperate survivors...

Nice to see Musk refusing to be a government censor...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wont-do-unless-gunpoint-musks-starlink-rejects-governments-requests-ban-russian-news

...in a liberal (snicker) democracy (snort!) isn't the only censor allowed the judgement of the reader/viewer?  ::pokeineye::

And, let's close with something clever...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/05/visa-and-mastercard-will-announce-the-next-british-prime-minister-tomorrow-at-400pm-gmt/

Heh.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #541 on: March 06, 2022, 10:45:55 AM »
Interesting comment I saw at CTH...

Ukrainian's have been targeting fuel trucks...been the reason for part of the delay in entering Kiev and maybe other cities still open...makes sense, no fuel no armor or troops can move...unless by foot...and now the Russians have taken to disguising fuel trucks as troop carriers and making do with whatever to protect radiators...



...but...uhh...do I have to point out the obvious?

Think "where's Waldo"...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #542 on: March 06, 2022, 03:31:43 PM »
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #543 on: March 06, 2022, 03:38:46 PM »


Also, Jimmy Dore cites lots of experts predicting this for a long time. 30 min.
https://youtu.be/1H0rCqaGtJw
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #544 on: March 07, 2022, 07:48:54 AM »
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
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No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier. 
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #545 on: March 07, 2022, 08:02:01 AM »


Also, Jimmy Dore cites lots of experts predicting this for a long time. 30 min.
https://youtu.be/1H0rCqaGtJw
US/NATO Provoked Ukraine War Say Most Experts On Russia
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Yeah yeah yeah...same old verbal masturbation...US/NATO bad, Putin might be bad but US/NATO way more bad!  Yeah, so?  What's the solution?  Give Russia Ukraine?  Great, lets make a deal...what do we get?  I'd like Cuba and Venezuela please...and Iran turned into glass.  Israel would like all those Iranian proxies around them gone.  Sure Europe would like Russia staying out of the other Central European nations and Scandinavia would like not to be threatened.  Deal?

Get real.

Russians are like an angry bitter wife...pissed at her husbands shortcomings of years ago...

2014!

Minsk!

Budapest!  No, wait, only sometimes Budpest.

Yet, bring up the wife's shortcomings of the past and its "that doesn't matter, only this matters"...

God, it's nice to think you are right all the time and never admit a mistake!  A trait all bad leaders share...

Anyway, so...US/NATO bad...obviously they don't give a crap any more than you do...and like I called long ago Russians might not be Soviets anymore but they are still butthurt over losing the first Cold War...and determined to win the next cold or hot...makes me think we should have occupied all of the collapsed Soviet Empire in another Marshall Plan, try to teach these mongoloids how to grow beyond their limitations...well, regrets, everybody has 'em...

Fine.  West sucks, guilty as Hell, deserves death and destruction...Attack US/NATO, WTF you waiting for!  They have it coming, right?  All their fault, yes?  Attack!!!

 ::pokeineye::

Jimmy is an idiot.

ETA - Here we go, Russia says US has WMD's in Ukraine...

https://beckernews.com/3-russian-ministry-of-defense-claims-it-has-evidence-of-u-s-funded-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-44303/

...well, that seals it...have to nuke America now, what other choice is there?

Not sure all the wealthy are bunkered up yet...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-hasnt-stopped-ringing-paranoid-rich-panic-buy-doomsday-bunkers-nuclear-war-fears

...but hey, whatever...they all got it coming...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #547 on: March 07, 2022, 11:06:15 AM »
Ottawa, DC...Moscow...

https://youtu.be/miU0KoteLDs

...it all looks the same.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #548 on: March 07, 2022, 03:14:54 PM »
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!

No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier.

Looks like a Temporary Pontoon Bridge Vehicle to me.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #549 on: March 07, 2022, 03:35:07 PM »
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!

No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier.

Looks like a Temporary Pontoon Bridge Vehicle to me.

Well, whatever the heck it nis...don't want to radiator shot out on it either...need a pick of a tanker & troop transport to know how they're trussed up...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #550 on: March 08, 2022, 06:44:05 AM »
Watch this and tell me what you guys think. A buddy sent it to me. I know nothing about the “host” of the video. But the video he’s analyzing is purportedly a Ukrainian neo-Nazi taking credit for actions within Ukraine that led to the Russian invasion. Essentially what the guy is saying is that Putin is telling the truth… that 14,000 Ukrainians have been killed by neo-Nazis in Ukraine since a peace agreement was signed a few years back, and the Putin is coming in to squash them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #551 on: March 08, 2022, 08:32:25 AM »
Watch this and tell me what you guys think. A buddy sent it to me. I know nothing about the “host” of the video. But the video he’s analyzing is purportedly a Ukrainian neo-Nazi taking credit for actions within Ukraine that led to the Russian invasion. Essentially what the guy is saying is that Putin is telling the truth… that 14,000 Ukrainians have been killed by neo-Nazis in Ukraine since a peace agreement was signed a few years back, and the Putin is coming in to squash them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be

I have heard the Nazi allegations from several sources. Ukrainian Nazis have supposedly been killing Russian citizens as well since 2014.
I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.

The border of Russia/Ukraine is also lined with U.S. funded bio-chemical labs (which our government is now in the process of taking off-line so as to make Putin's claims look ridiculous).

Yes, the civilian casualties are unfortunate -- but Ukraine is not unfamiliar with killing its own citizens. No "angels" here -- but Putin gets my vote in the present situation. I had to bite my tongue in church this week, as a guest speaker was claiming that Putin is channeling the "spirit" of Ivan the Terrible & Czars of old in a spiritual battle. The battle may be spiritual in a sense -- but, IMO, predominantly pragmatic.
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When the old Russian Federation broke up, and Russia released the Ukraine as an independent country it came with the proviso that if there was evidence of criminality, genocide, international threats to Russia on Ukrainian soil, etc. Russia could come back in and secure the situation.  This is part of Russia's obligation to the rest of the world as well as a matter of Russian security...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #552 on: March 08, 2022, 08:34:24 AM »
Ugh, Jimmy again.  So much has to be taken with piles of salt.  The daisy-chain of "well, if that part is true, then" that it becomes a numbers game that piles up that everything collapses upon itself. 

Jimmy often harps on the ethnic Russian east and Minsk stuff like most long time Russophiles...

Ukraine is 80% ethnic Ukrainian...20% "other"...the majority is ethnic Russians that make up 17% of the total population and they are concentrated in cities in the east...so it's like saying Minnesota is Marxist state because of the Twin Cities, Duluth and pockets here and there.  Well, sheeeit, we should all drop to our knees.

Jimmy seeing fascists everywhere.  Are there some, sure.  Azov Brigade.  C14 is right wing...but the other guy on said they are not neo-nazi.  Well, makes me think folks are seeing a minority...much like here where Marxists see fascists under every bed, around every corner and marching on your capitols...and blowing it out of proportion.  Are we all nationalist terrorists?

Now, is it possible DeepState operatives are using such elements to their advantage?  Well, duh...Russia and its proxies in DPR/LPR...same deal, shocking, I know.

Jimmy grieving for the gender-confused targeted by nazi's...umm, Jimmy...Putin's Russian not too keen on those folks and tainted races...think they're going to get a better deal with Russia? 

If people are looking for saints anywhere in this world anywhere they are in for nothing but disappointment.

Why can't people just speak the truth and say what they really mean?

For many it's Putin & Russia must win because America is so much worse.  Fine.  Say it.  I think its shortsighted, but at least it's honest.

Jimmy is as Guilty as CNN...he's pointing, screaming fascist, and expects you to fall in line.  If he said all sides are full of lying selfish greedy despicable louts...I'd be like "you finally got it".

See, Pablo's comment...he's 100% honest...only difference I have...I can't give a vote...seems I've had my fill of that domestically and lost taste for it.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #553 on: March 08, 2022, 10:06:01 AM »

I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.


No. He is a bad guy.  He just poses less of a threat to America and its interests than the Oligarchical  Cabal in charge of NATO and the West . It is entirely possible to support neither side, and to be more interested in stopping the threat form the Cabal that would rule over us using this invasion as an excuse,  than in stopping a foreign invasion from a hostile force, that if successful,  will pose little threat to us. 
And if you say "but Europe"?   I don't care
Like those in the US Cities I wrote Europe off a long time ago - the oligarchs of the west obviously have chosen to replace their current populations  with populations from elsewhere who will be satisfied with less.



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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #554 on: March 08, 2022, 10:36:12 AM »

I think Putin is the good guy also. If I lived in Ukraine, turning Ukraine into Switzerland (no NATO, no nukes, no shelling the East) would not seem so bad. Dying to protect the corrupt govt would not seem that important. Below, what changed in 2014 was the US backed coup toppled the elected president and the ethnic Russians did not like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#Surveys_on_the_status_of_the_Russian_language
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A 2012 study showed that:[71]

    on the radio, 3.4% of songs were in Ukrainian while 60% were in Russian
    over 60% of newspapers, 83% of journals and 87% of books were in Russian
    28% of TV programs were in Ukrainian, even on state-owned channels


... the Ukrainian National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting shut down the broadcast of Russian television channels Rossiya 24, Channel One Russia, RTR Planeta, and NTV Mir in Ukraine.[72][73] Since 19 August 2014 Ukraine has blocked 14 Russian television channels "to protect its media space from aggression from Russia, which has been deliberately inciting hatred and discord among Ukrainian citizens".[74]

In early June 2015 162 Russian movies and TV series were banned in Ukraine because they were seen to contains popularization, agitation and/or propaganda for the 2014–15 Russian military intervention in Ukraine (this military intervention is denied by Russia).[75][76] All movies that feature "unwanted" Russian or Russia-supporting actors were also banned.[77]
...

On May 15, 2017, Ukrainian president Poroshenko issued a decree than demanded all Ukrainian internet providers to block access to all most popular Russian social media and websites,...

The Law on Education formerly granted Ukrainian families (parents and their children) a right to choose their native language for schools and studies.[91] This was changed by a new law in 2017 that only allows the use of Ukrainian in secondary schools and higher.
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We will have pensions and they will not.
We will have benefits for pensioners and children, they will not!
Our children will go to school and day care, their children will stay in the cellars!
Because they can't do anything.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #555 on: March 08, 2022, 10:56:36 AM »

I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.


No. He is a bad guy.  He just poses less of a threat to America and its interests than the Oligarchical  Cabal in charge of NATO and the West . It is entirely possible to support neither side, and to be more interested in stopping the threat form the Cabal that would rule over us using this invasion as an excuse,  than in stopping a foreign invasion from a hostile force, that if successful,  will pose little threat to us. 
And if you say "but Europe"?   I don't care
Like those in the US Cities I wrote Europe off a long time ago - the oligarchs of the west obviously have chosen to replace their current populations  with populations from elsewhere who will be satisfied with less.

Yeah, we got screwed when 2020 was stolen...any chance to de-couple from madness home and abroad died that day...

I see evil everywhere...and my priority is myself and my family and like-minded allies...everybody else can hang...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #556 on: March 08, 2022, 11:00:16 AM »

I think Putin is the good guy also. If I lived in Ukraine, turning Ukraine into Switzerland (no NATO, no nukes, no shelling the East) would not seem so bad. Dying to protect the corrupt govt would not seem that important. Below, what changed in 2014 was the US backed coup toppled the elected president and the ethnic Russians did not like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#Surveys_on_the_status_of_the_Russian_language
...
A 2012 study showed that:[71]

    on the radio, 3.4% of songs were in Ukrainian while 60% were in Russian
    over 60% of newspapers, 83% of journals and 87% of books were in Russian
    28% of TV programs were in Ukrainian, even on state-owned channels


... the Ukrainian National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting shut down the broadcast of Russian television channels Rossiya 24, Channel One Russia, RTR Planeta, and NTV Mir in Ukraine.[72][73] Since 19 August 2014 Ukraine has blocked 14 Russian television channels "to protect its media space from aggression from Russia, which has been deliberately inciting hatred and discord among Ukrainian citizens".[74]

In early June 2015 162 Russian movies and TV series were banned in Ukraine because they were seen to contains popularization, agitation and/or propaganda for the 2014–15 Russian military intervention in Ukraine (this military intervention is denied by Russia).[75][76] All movies that feature "unwanted" Russian or Russia-supporting actors were also banned.[77]
...

On May 15, 2017, Ukrainian president Poroshenko issued a decree than demanded all Ukrainian internet providers to block access to all most popular Russian social media and websites,...

The Law on Education formerly granted Ukrainian families (parents and their children) a right to choose their native language for schools and studies.[91] This was changed by a new law in 2017 that only allows the use of Ukrainian in secondary schools and higher.
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0:07 We will have work, not them.
We will have pensions and they will not.
We will have benefits for pensioners and children, they will not!
Our children will go to school and day care, their children will stay in the cellars!
Because they can't do anything.
And that's how, precisely that, we will win this war.


Ukraine would never be allowed to be independent like Switzerland, not under Putin, not under anybody on this planet, ever...they can only be somebody's vassal, period.  Thinking anything else is possible is akin to believing in faeries and unicorns...

ETA - Nice timing to illustrate!

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Surrender?  Switzerland would not surrender...   ::pokeineye::
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« Reply #557 on: March 08, 2022, 11:54:53 AM »
^^^^
I will wait for the details. Ukraine and US were always willing to talk; forever.

I have Scot Ritter on. https://youtu.be/C6NnUlhpxR4
Day 4.
Interesting so far. Interesting history on the western Ukraine. Details on the so called Azov battalion. History.
He says Mariupol  is dominant Russian speaking city and Azov will not let civilians leave. Human shields.
[Me-similar to ISIS in Syria]

OT  I read about alleged US backed bio weapon labs in Ukraine. I would have been highly doubtful but then came the Wuhan lab and Dr. Fauci. Easier to believe now.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #558 on: March 08, 2022, 12:01:49 PM »

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Ukraine would never be allowed to be independent like Switzerland, not under Putin, not under anybody on this planet, ever...they can only be somebody's vassal, period.  Thinking anything else is possible is akin to believing in faeries and unicorns...

I recently heard something similar about Tibet. Some US senior diplomat asked China about why not let Tibet be independent? China guy said Tibet would always be taken over by someone, so let it be China.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #559 on: March 08, 2022, 01:01:15 PM »


First few minutes is Tucker with guest. 6:50 has current map released by Russian state media.
https://rumble.com/vwt5l9-east-cauldron-snaps-together.-odessa-cauldron-forming.-sanctions-disaster.-.html

Interesting source of info. Vox Day sometimes cite the saker.
https://thesaker.is/major-military-and-political-developments-and-major-risks-next/

Major military and political developments and major risks next (UPDATED!)
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First, the biggest news of the day: the city of Izium fell to the Russian forces.  Here is a map with Izium (????) on the top and then two sets of arrows: the red ones show how the operational cauldron in the east of the Ukraine can be locked along the Lozovaia-Pavlograd while the black one shows the same option, but much closer to the surrounded Ukronazi forces along an Izium-Pokrovsk axis.

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While I was writing this I got the info that a Polish helicopter brought an Ukronazi delegation for talks in Belarus.  According to the latest from Russian negotiators, it was yet another wasted day.  But these negotiations will resume as soon as the Ukies get their latest orders from UncleShmuel.

The obvious problem is that the Ukie delegation has no authority, so all they do is show up, make some general statements of good will, then take all the (written) Russian proposals and say they need to retire for “consultations”.  Obviously, these consultations are not with anybody in Kiev, but with the US and its EU colonies and the latter must at all costs get as many people dead (on both sides) as possible.

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However, in the mean time, there are numerous reports from many towns and cities under Nazi occupation of the local municipal authorities warning that anybody using a humanitarian corridor leading to the “occupier force” will be shot on sight and with no warning.  There are many confirmed instances of such fleeing refugees being executed by the Ukronazis.  The western presstitutes are blaming it all on Russia, what else is new?

Conclusions:

From the point of view of Russian combat operations, today has been most successful and tomorrow promises an even quicker domino effect on the Ukrainian defenses pretty much everywhere except the far west (what I now call the mini-Banderastan).

Politically, the only important news is that Lavrov and Kuleba are supposed to meet soon.

And yet, I will end with an area of great concern to me.

Here is how I see it and PLEASE tell me I am wrong!

    The Ukraine has lost the war, she will be disarmed and denazified
    The West is waging total informational and economic war against Russia and believing much of its own propaganda (which is fantastically dangerous!)
    The western public has been sold nonsense about the Ukies being at the gates of Moscow and Russia being ready to surrender.  Which means that when the reality will become undeniable there will be A LOT of VERY butthurt folks out there pointing fingers.
    Economically speaking, Zerohedge put it best: “Carnage everywhere“!
    Even much worse will be the folks who will try to still overturn this outcome.  I am talking about the true nutcases in NATO (and in some sections of the USA ruling elites) which simply cannot even *imagine* that Russia holds all the cards, including the military one.
    I can easily imagine, say, a Polish column with weapons and mercenaries crossing into the Ukraine and being wiped out by Russian missiles.  I ask you this: what will NATO do next?

In fact, let me rephrase my question this way: is it at all possible that this war can end without a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia, keeping in mind that NATO cannot win and NATO cannot accept defeat?

Sadly, I don’t think so anymore, that kind of folly is a direct consequence of the Western PSYOPs which have convinced the folks in the West of two crucial things: 1) Russia cannot win and 2) Putin is bluffing.

I think that the folks in the Pentagon are smart enough to know that this is all bull, but the Eurorodents inside NATO and the EU?

Wouldn’t a military/political defeat of NATO in Banderastan not risk bringing down NATO as an organization?
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UPDATE: for the first time Russian TV has shown the Donbass operational cauldron.  I added the contours of this cauldron in the making with the think black line:
When the law becomes a ruse, lawlessness becomes legitimate. -unknown