Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

I think the Azov troops were mixed in with the regular army as commissars/political officers/enforcers and they are in the East and also inside  maybe Mariupol and maybe Odessa. I never read anything saying they were not in the East. Not having them in the East presented a problem before as UA troops from the East did not want to shoot those ethnic Russians in the East. So Kiev fixed that.

I am pretty sure I read that the Azov troops were in Odessa. But if they are intermixed totally then that does not make sense. Maybe there are both majority Azov and intermixed Azov groups. Azov are said to be better fighters so putting them in key areas makes sense.

I have no idea what the percent of people are primarily Russian speakers in Mariupol and Odessa. I would like to know.

If Kiev is allowing humanitarian corridors out of Odessa and Mariupol I would like to see that happening on video.

Russian govt is saying that there was a false flag planned in Lviv to kidnap US diplomats to try to drag US into war. Does not mean it is true.

[patentlymn]

I recall that Eastern UA had heavy industry and aviation which they sold to Russia until the sanctions prevented that and they could no longer sell and lost most of their market. Many of the sanctions harmed UA more than Russia.

Motor Sich used to make gas turbines for sale to Russia then later found a  market in China but IMO the Chinese are copying the technology and I know they are making them inside China.

[patentlymn]

I wonder if the Russians used the hyper sonic missiles just to test them and show them off. They hardly seem needed for that job.

Zelenzky comes across as a whiner to me. He cannot bargain from a position of strength. His troops are mostly surrounded in the East. Plus, IMO, if he settles with Putin he will be executed by hard liners. Kiev recently executed one of their negotiators, calling him a Russian spy.

[ToddF]

Never let a crisis go to waste.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html

[patentlymn]

Notice how Zelsnsky wore a green T shirt with an iron cross when speaking to congress?
Yes I know the iron cross predated Nazis but still bad PR and I am sure it did not go unnoticed in Russia.

[patentlymn]

Never let a crisis go to waste.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html

The Kiev govt previously shut down opposition TV stations and jailed opponents. Tulsi Gabbard called this out.

[ToddF]

And Mittens called her a traitor for noticing.

[patentlymn]

From Covert conservatives. Nonotone.
WOW

Intervention in Ukraine. Vaxxed vs unvaxxed. Mind blowing.
https://thelibertydaily.com/theres-a-shocking-correlation-between-getting-vaxxed-and-pushing-for-war-with-russia/

[Pandora]

The clotshots have gone to their brains, exacerbating their already faulty mental capacities.

[Libertas]

Umm, "nuking" isn't on the list?  It's on everybody else's list!  WTF?

But, hey...maybe some good news...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/warning-global-deep-state-may-be-planning-assassination-of-president-biden-when-he-travels-to-europe-next-week/

https://www.wnd.com/2022/03/report-putins-overthrow-planned-fsb-head-identified-possible-successor/

...has to be bullish for not vaporizing the planet, eh?

DoD saying hypersonic was a dud, not that special, didn't hit squat...

https://justthenews.com/government/security/russias-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-strike-claim-dud-defense-experts-say

...back to the nuke theme...is their description of not that fast and accurate supposed to make everyone feel better if they strap a nuke to it?   

Lot of tankers, trackers, attackers and drones up over Moldovan/Poland border again...we can have as many as 6 doomsday planes in flight some days...people East & West still yapping loosely about escalation...

https://liveuamap.com

I see nothing ending an expansion of hostility let alone conclude things in Ukraine.  And people could end things in Ukraine if the veto-holding UNSC forced a partition down the Dnieper...but that is no long term guarantee against future festivities and another round of BS...

Whatever, everybody with chips in the pot wants the whole pot regardless their hand strength...

We can debate and blame and opine all we want...at the end of the day the decisions good (unlikely) bad (very likely) or indifferent (we can only hope this is the worst!) all reside in the hands of the morons running all these countries...

[Libertas]

LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/

[patentlymn]

LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

[Libertas]

LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   

[patentlymn]

LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   

A while back UA fabricated some naval incident in the Azov Sea. They violated some treaty and brought some small warships, maybe frigates, for a staged TV event. I looked into the details at the time.  The funny part was they needed to bring a tug boat in case the boats got stuck. That is because the Azov Sea is very shallow in parts.

[Libertas]

LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   

A while back UA fabricated some naval incident in the Azov Sea. They violated some treaty and brought some small warships, maybe frigates, for a staged TV event. I looked into the details at the time.  The funny part was they needed to bring a tug boat in case the boats got stuck. That is because the Azov Sea is very shallow in parts.

I always thought it a toxic dead zone...

You want a third eye?  Maybe a huge lump on your back?  How about some flipper kids?

 

[Libertas]

See this?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/21/priceless-ny-times-asked-candace-owens-where-she-got-her-ideas-about-ukraine-then-it-got-awkward-for-the-nyt/

Hilarious!  Surprised The Slimes piped off...corruption?  You kidding me?  Where on the planet isn't corruption rife?  These clowns are in NYC, didn't they invent corruption in America?  There isn't a square meter on this planet free from the harm of corruption.

And this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-can-hold-out-long-west-keeps-supplying-weapons-former-uk-intelligence-chief

...is why Russia is barking against it.  But, war, duh...what's it good for?  Well, profits...duh!

And they're getting some Rus stuff now too...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-21

Another hypersonic attack in the South...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2nd-hypersonic-missile-used-ukraine-russian-defense-ministry

Allegations that Belarus is set to enter the war in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-sees-signs-another-neighbor-planning-direct-invasion

...if that happens I predict two things will happen: 1) people who said those rumors were BS will forget they said it was BS and 2) it will escalate matters and see neighbors respond in-kind because the option of waiting to be consumed next is going to be too hard a decision to swallow.

This thing could get sporty in quick fashion.

The diplomatic tiff in Moscow and the US Ambassador is cute, fond memories of the Cold War...except in this case its morons poking a megalomaniac in the eye...

From "Putin's Brain"...

...the anti-liberal philosopher claimed Russia is “fighting against the hegemonic totalitarian liberal system, and not against the U.S. as a country, or Europe, or Ukraine as a country.”

“It is a war against (those) principles,” he added. “It is a war of ideas.”

Dugin also claimed Russia was seeking to provide other nations with their right to “self-determination.”

“We are fighting against the liberal world order, and in order to provide other nations and cultures with the right to self-determination, rather than being puppets of the Americans,” he said.
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“Putin is a natural monarch, not because he wants to be a monarch, but because we want him to be one,” he said.
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Ruling out the possibility of defeat “because that cannot happen,” and if it did then “there will be no Putin, no Russia, and no world, as far as I know, because we have put everything on the line,” the nationalist Russian philosopher warned of the importance of listening to Putin regarding a possible nuclear attack.

“If NATO intervenes, the retaliation will be in kind,” he said. “Therefore, the decision to continue with the operation to our last breath has been taken, and we have no choice but to win.”

Asked to clarify if he was warning that a Russian loss would result in Russian nuclear strikes, a subsequent nuclear holocaust and the world’s end, Dugin confirmed that that is “exactly” the case.

“These are the words of our president,” he said. “Without Russia, there is no humanity.”

“If you want to live on this Earth, you should accept Russia as an independent sovereign superpower.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/21/putins-brain-calls-russian-war-in-ukraine-fight-against-american-hegemony-warns-world-will-end-if-russia-defeated/

Remember my earlier screed on the fatally damaged Russian psyche?  Yeah, well...this goes beyond confirming that and sprints right into extreme religious cult insanity!!!

I think this seals it, humanity is doomed!  Do our Marxist/Globalist/Deviant overlords suck every way possible?  Yes.  Are these Russian Elect any better?  Fvck no.  Neither is capable of comprehending reason, neither is inclined towards retreat, neither gives a rats ass about their peasants.  How do greedy bastards unable to admit mistakes or speak truthfully reconcile with zealots pledging death for all if not victorious in all demands?

Might as well push all buttons...a quick end may be the only merciful end allowed.

https://youtu.be/wcW_Ygs6hm0

[Libertas]

A busy day for the last gasp human race...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alexei-navalny-found-guilty-russian-court-faces-13-years-strict-regimen-prison

...the Rus version of a Jan6 political prisoner.

And back here HR 6869 seeks to authorize privateers for the first time in over 200 years...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-bring-back-pirates-seize-russian-yachts

...I want my letter!  I could raise Hell here as the Ragnar of Lake Minnetonka!   

"Is that a woke CEO?"  "Prepare to board, man the cannons!" "Raise the colors!" 

Fun in the air over Hungary...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-scrambles-fighter-jets-after-plane-ukraine-violates-airspace

...that soft-peddling will come in handy later, I'm sure.

But I hear another New World Order is coming...right in time for spring...that should help things a lot...

[patentlymn]

^^^^
Tony Heller often points out that the NYT does not read the NYT.
What is the standard for seizing yachts? Russian last name? Russian passport? Who says the yacht owners support Putin or do not support him? What will the standard be for Russia or China to seize yachts around the word?

I read that many billionaires are pulling money out of London banks because their money might be seized. No standards for seizing such money. Any standards could change tomorrow. Saudis also panic. They could be next.

In response to China not backing anti Russian sanctions the US is to sanction some Chinese officials, although they blame China human rights abuses they got upset about  all of a sudden. These US sanctions around the word are getting out of hand IMO.

[Libertas]

Don't worry, be happy...pull up a chair, pop a cold one and enjoy watching it all go down the drain...

[Libertas]

Seems more activity around Kyiv and especially South of it, and in the East more activity West of the known front and hard to tell at this time if it is targeting Ukrainian resistance in their rear/support areas or a softening for a push Westward.

https://liveuamap.com

Russia has the Wagner Group in play in Ukraine...ought to be easy enough to prove with a corpse or two.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-mercenary-wagner-group-active-inside-ukraine-pentagon-officials-say

Proxies beget more proxies...when has such an urge been resisted?

Putin's first "official" resignation in protest of the war...his Climate Czar...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russia-sees-first-high-level-official-resign-leave-country-over-putins-war

...isn't saying much...given Russia's commitment to national suicide is at least as deceptive as Communist China's.

Meanwhile, more confirmation the definition of "existential" is all that separates us from global nuclear annihilation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-blasts-kremlin-spokesmans-nuclear-use-remarks-cnn-dangerous

Nice.

In other news on the Euro front...

JSATRS flight along Polish/Russian border, E-3's along Moldovan border and RivetJoint snoopers up along Polish border for the first time I recall...and lots of heavy-mover activity...so the European buildup still seems in-play.

Looks like a swell party brewing, Belarus joining the party could be the trigger.

ETA - Knew about Poland...but if this clip is accurate, now in Slovakia, and if there...likely in others nations too.  Outside of Saudi Arabia (JoeFraud kissing House of Saud ass) and Poland there are no official admissions.

https://youtu.be/y24sIkpg5lU
H/T-CTH

Also, this is hilarious...I find no problem making fun of morons...and using morons as fodder is as old as war itself...not the first time this will happen, won't be the last...

https://youtu.be/1udDZIByHd4

Wars are fought by professionals, the military and military contractors...LARPers will die and really expecting not to be treated as fodder and treated as a liability is their fault and nobody else's...

More ETA's -

https://sputniknews.com/20220321/video-ukrainian-doctor-calls-for-castration-of-captured-russian-soldiers-1094049835.html

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/nuclear-warhead-deployment-spotted-in-uk-amid-natos-burgeoning-russia-crisis-3592185

And this that confirms all the heavy-mover traffic I've seen seeing for several weeks running...

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/03/23/stoltenberg-nato-to-give-more-support-to-ukraine-on-nuclear-and-chemical-threats

Oh, yeah...I see all concerned willing and able to compromise, agree and pull back...

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