Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

Also interesting false flag scenario. Blow up NATO equipment before it gets to UA border, inside the EU. In a train loaded with children, and puppies.

About these countries sending heavy weapons to UA.
Aren't they mostly sending targets on trains for Russian target practice?
What am I missing? Maybe they get to trade in old Soviet crap in exchange for brand new war machines paid for by the US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691043/First-NATO-country-sends-tanks-Ukraine-Czech-Republic-provides-tanks-following-Zelenskys-plea.html
First NATO country sends tanks to Ukraine: Czech Republic provides T-72 tanks and armoured infantry vehicles following Zelensky's plea for help

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https://twitter.com/MaraPillado1/status/1511686823009005572
The Czech Republic has sent T-72 tanks to Ukraine.
This makes it the first NATO country to send heavy artillery equipment to Ukraine.
It is noted that the train has already arrived on the territory of Ukraine. Prague is counting on Washington

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Train cars will be interspersed with passenger cars for maximum effect

Stupid question: Whats stopping the Russian forces from just waiting until it crosses into Ukraine and then blowing it up?

Welcome to Lusitanian Railways, tickets please…..

How much would they have to pay to get you on that train?

They don’t need to get anyone on the train. They can put the bodies in the wreck later but they need the passenger cars destroyed for the photobook


But hitting it while in EU would make it an easy-mode false-flag.

Which is why I believe they will simply target a clear millitary nato asset somewhere instead.


Swap out the tanks for underprivileged African orphans right before the border and hope Putin hypersonics it

https://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/1511131033902755844

The age of the equipment being sent is clearly 90’s soviet sell off stock. No reactive armor /advanced fire control on those T72s and BMP1’s light armor. Target Practice for Russia

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703335
Zelensky: Ukraine will be like Israel, not demilitarized like Switzerland after war
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine will not be demilitarized like Switzerland, but a "big Israel."
By TOVAH LAZAROFF
Published: APRIL 5, 2022 21:27

[Libertas]

The answer is "War"...it no longer matters what the questions are...

And winning friends and influencing people...has never been a Russian strong point...there's a reason why regardless of form of government the Russians seem to always be aligned with the most nefarious nations on the planet...China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran etc...I would argue they would be taken more seriously if they weren't aligned with such and arming such...which in latter day vernacular means no matter what they lose PR battles on optics alone before they even start...

And invading Ukraine to send a message to NATO to back off can only be described as a monumental failure...they are all arming up, they are all taking in troops, they are all on edge...

And Finland, another nation with some unpleasant history with their crazy neighbor, is now saying what they're thinking out loud...

“In this new situation and changed security environment, we’ll have to evaluate all means to guarantee the safety of Finland and Finns,” Marin said. “We’ll have to seriously mull over our own stance and approach to military alignment. We’ll have to do this carefully but quickly, effectively during the course of this spring.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-mulling-nato-membership-after-russia-warns-serious-consequences

And demonstrating the genetic predisposition towards victimhood the Russians fall back once again on their favorite crutch...the West is being mean to us!  LOL!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-then-dump-lavrov-calls-new-ukrainian-draft-peace-proposal-unacceptable

Hilarious.  Said it many times, will say it again...there is batshyt-crazy children on every side of this sh!tshow, no men of honor, just selfish narcissists...the West sucks, yeah no sh!t Sherlockov, we know, we live under occupation, thank you effing very much!  But y'all suck too, and now people like me will never see the US out of NATO cause you took the Ukraine bait and got everybody buzzing like angry wasps who had their nest kicked in...it could be decades or never now...unlikely in my lifetime I'll see us out of Europe, so thanks a lot assholes!  The Putin-Patrushev hardliners calling the shots gave the DeepState the enemy they most needed right when they needed them most.

No winners, all losers...especially everyone's citizens...

The dumpster fire is global...

[Libertas]

Oh oh...now they're going after Putin's bastards...

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5063018/putins-secret-daughters-sanctions-tyrant-dads-war-crimes-ukraine/

...gettin' serious now.

[patentlymn]

The EU will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
The US will fight Russia to the last European.


I read the the EU will ban all fossil fuel imports from Russia. I.e. the EU threatened to shoot themselves in the head.
That'll show Russia!

The anti Russian gas actions will destroy German industry.

The way I see it, Zelensky is kinda agreeing to some of the parts of the Minsk agreements. UA is agreeing to some of the initial Russian demands before the invasion. IMO it is far too late for that. After Russia spilled Russian blood they are not going to settle for their initial demands they made to prevent the invasion. I think that some in the west are still trying to goad Zelensky into to playing hard ball with Russia.

There is lots of speculation as to why UA keeps risking helicopters to rescue someone or something from the Mariupol steel plant. I think they sent 7 and lost 4 helicopters. Macron begging Putin for a humanitarian corridor. That was accepted and refused not sure of what order. Is there something so important there that cannot be allowed out through a corridor?  Talk of a US officer that was partially dis-proven then re-opened.

Russia committed around 40K troops to take Mariupol. About the same number around Kiev, a much bigger city. IMO the Russians never intended to take Kiev. They can do the math. They just wanted to pin down troops there.  Western reporters kept reporting from Kiev because the good hotels and bars are there. They might get shot at in the east.

The former Warsaw pact companies are complaining that they are out of war supplies to send to UA.

What false flag operation will UA do to draw the US into the war? Perhaps blow up a train carrying weapons to Ukraine, but outside of Ukraine. Hopefully with passengers killed also.

[Libertas]

It's like casino action...instead of betting on black or red (only an idiot plays a number...unless its rigged)...bet on life and death...

I'm all-in on death, everybody craves it...

Might as well get it out of everybody's system...

After all, betting on the action is all we can do, nobody GAFF what we think...

[Libertas]

More finger-pointing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-condemns-horrific-russian-attack-train-station-which-left-30-dead-kremlin-rejects

Rus say the old Soviet system only used by Ukraine...is there confirmation on that?  I know they use a lot of the same stuff, for obvious reasons...

Slovakia it's sole S-300 mobile launcher...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-member-slovakia-announces-transfer-s-300-anti-air-system-ukraine

Meanwhile, back on the blow-back front...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-sweden-nato-applications-could-be-imminent-after-stoltenberg-suggests-fast

...getting Sweden & Finland into NATO continues to build momentum.

[patentlymn]

^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

[Libertas]

^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...

[benb61]

^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...

Only saps pay the way for everyone else,

[Libertas]

^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...

Only saps pay the way for everyone else,

Both are true...only the US agrees to be a sap...

[Libertas]

This will be fun...let's tie Ukraine, Russia, US, Europe/NATO and China all together to illustrate how stupidity and bullsh*t can elevate to an existential threat for billions of people with no say in the psychotic actions of their respective governments!

This will have relevance to our ongoing discussions in this thread as to the fates of Russia and Ukraine and the other Eastern European nations, as well as the fates of  Europe, [ur=]https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.60.html]NATO[/url], and China, Taiwan and neighboring Asian nations and of course America.

First up - China nuke build up is a result of fearing regime change.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-nuclear-expansion-confirmed-beijing-officials-cite-fear-us-led-regime-change

It's a load of sh!t of course...the level of conventional devastation required to topple a paranoid communist Chinese regime makes that fear laughable.  No doubt it is germinated in part as a result of JoeFraud spewing his Russia regime change BS out loud and failing miserably to walk it back...in and of itself is insufficient however to use as an excuse for a nuclear build up, but it does emphasize the stupidity of saying crap like that out loud even if you want it.  Pretty piss poor cover for the Chi-Com's to use to justify their nuclear buildup...and I do not believe their no-first-strike promises...but I do believe this is accelerating their plans to take Taiwan, I definitely think that is totally in-play right now.  And assuming such a conflict stays isolated or conventional I think is ignorant and foolishly dangerous.

Moving on, but still on that immanent fear of invasion/regime change...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, though both sides deny the latter...the increasing NATO build up from Romania to the Baltics -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-plans-massive-military-buildup-russias-border-citing-major-reset

All sides are acting like each other and accusing each other of being naughty...yet, nothing is stopping either.  Seems pretty definitive trajectory to me.

And lastly, if on the odd chance things East and West don't go super hot, just kinda hot...something IMO is unlikely...then the Plan B is global partitioning...and this article paints in interesting new landscape -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro

I find it hilarious the EU arguably comes out the biggest loser.

But, whatever...I doubt what is approaching will be anything less than horrific for most everybody...

[Libertas]

Apparently the Scandinavian interest in entering NATO is serious...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-set-nato-membership-soon-summer-russian-official-warns-destruction-their

...I'm sure the threats from a Russian Duma member and warnings from propaganda minister Peskov will have their desired effect.  LOL!

Meanwhile, Russia doubles-down on the longed-for status of savior of the world from the menace of US-led Western Deviltry...which should illicit giggles from those threatened by Russian territorial ambitions to restore their former Soviet girth (that quip about "equals" was cute, reminds me of the good old days of the Cold War and reaffirms yet again the fragile Russian ego) or the snickers in the East from those threatened by an expansionist Chinese Communist regime with the ravenous appetite of a starved dragon.

Everybody just talking past everybody anyway, nobody is serious about common sense and binding agreements not giving implicit or de facto advantage one direction or other...the desire is only for conflict by all parties.  ALL!

There is no difference between Borrell's "battlefield solution" or Russia's threats to punish nations rejecting its demands.  Same sh!t.

[patentlymn]

.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro

I find it hilarious the EU arguably comes out the biggest loser.

But, whatever...I doubt what is approaching will be anything less than horrific for most everybody...

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Thanks for the Michael Hudson link. I will read it later. I am sure it will cheer me up. /s
If you ever want a fascinating look at the guy here is a link. What an interesting life. He has Minneapolis ties. His father was a Trotskyist who lead the Minneapolis general strike and ended up in the federal pen for sedition. Vox Day introduced me to him. I read a couple of his books.

https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4
Michael Hudson - Life and Thought 20180507

Also, the Duran has been saying that the EU is the big loser in this Russia energy and gas pipeline fiasco.

[Libertas]

If we would have kicked more commie ass in the past, perhaps we wouldn't be overrun with so many now?  Joe McCarthy was right.

Anyway, in the lasted news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/unfriendly-visit-austrian-chancellor-first-eu-leader-meet-putin-war-began

"Didn't go well", yeah, that's a shame...well, get used to that...all sides fixed and intransigent...is a guarantee of not well...

Black Sea shipping has become "uninsurable"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/war-risk-premiums-make-ships-entering-black-sea-uninsurable

...lack of exports gonna hurt.  High-prices aside, disasters are compounding...hear Uke grain is wet/rotting in holds and worthless...wait till millions around the globe are starving and desperate...people won't care about leaders or governments...apart from kicking their ass if recognized...it'll be dystopian in all respects...

Self-anointed Geniuses on all sides think they can navigate and manager the chaos...I really doubt that.

This is an economic perspective behind things...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/11/reports-of-finland-and-sweden-likely-to-join-nato-highlight-global-financial-cleaving-underway/

...and my sole takeaway is this: I will not agree to be forced into an either/or choice...I don't want to be either's slave...so I choose eff all y'all!!!   

[patentlymn]

I have no idea exactly what happened but perhaps the Biden admin tried to threaten the Paki PM if he did not back the US against Russia. Paki PM remained neutral.  The PM said Biden was attempting regime change and used the moment to his political advantage. He dissolved parliament and called for new elections. The the courts in over ruled him and he is ousted.

https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament
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A defiant Khan called for supporters to stage demonstrations countrywide to protest the vote. Khan has accused the opposition of being in cahoots with the United States to unseat him, saying America wants him gone over his foreign policy choices that often favor China and Russia.


I found more on this. Jackson Hinkle dug deeper into the recent ouster of the Paki PM. He was ousted for harming US Paki relations. IMO the US was behind it. All the US needed to do was pressure/bribe a very small number of Pakis.
https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E
Imran Khan OUSTED By US Puppets In Pakistan
3,107 views
Apr 11, 2022

massive Paki crowds at link, videos
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473

[patentlymn]

Interesting guy. Former NATO guy. Swiss.
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8
US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to 'weaken Russia': fmr. NATO adviser
As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.

Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.

[Libertas]

I have no idea exactly what happened but perhaps the Biden admin tried to threaten the Paki PM if he did not back the US against Russia. Paki PM remained neutral.  The PM said Biden was attempting regime change and used the moment to his political advantage. He dissolved parliament and called for new elections. The the courts in over ruled him and he is ousted.

https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament
...
A defiant Khan called for supporters to stage demonstrations countrywide to protest the vote. Khan has accused the opposition of being in cahoots with the United States to unseat him, saying America wants him gone over his foreign policy choices that often favor China and Russia.


I found more on this. Jackson Hinkle dug deeper into the recent ouster of the Paki PM. He was ousted for harming US Paki relations. IMO the US was behind it. All the US needed to do was pressure/bribe a very small number of Pakis.
https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E
Imran Khan OUSTED By US Puppets In Pakistan
3,107 views
Apr 11, 2022

massive Paki crowds at link, videos
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473

 

How do you harm something that sucked under every Admin?!?!?!

 

[Libertas]

Interesting guy. Former NATO guy. Swiss.
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/
https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8
US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to 'weaken Russia': fmr. NATO adviser
As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.

Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.

Wow, really went out on a limb...doesn't say much about Swiss military, Intelligence, NATO or what gets dumped on a UN posting...   

No mention it takes two to tango either...simply brilliant!!!

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[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-are-charge-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-ukraine

If that can be proven with evidence, not just somebody saying so...it could make for some interesting theatrics on Capitol Hill...but given the lawless nature of Dem's and Cuck's in this government probably won't matter a damn anyway...but it is interesting Putin isn't exploiting it, which begs the question "why?"...and all I can speculate on is he has some under the table action happening too...

So, back to square one...everybody wants a fight...there is no escaping it...and if it gets out of hand all they care about is who survives and assigns the blame...

[Libertas]

Sweden to apply for NATO membership...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-apply-nato-membership-prime-minister-announces

The protracted conflict and endemic risk involved appears to still be advancing unimpeded...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-convenes-meeting-top-8-us-arms-makers-they-reap-ukraine-windfall

Vlad promises to destroy more deliveries...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/kremlin-again-warns-us-nato-weapons-transports-ukraine-will-be-attacked

https://youtu.be/LAf0QnLFS7Q