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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #840 on: June 19, 2022, 11:10:01 AM »
Just pee in the river...

Think you can undo anybody's past blunders without paying a price?

Works for any side of this sh*tshow...

And, with the military failure in those provinces certain...it appears an idea I floated months ago is being tried...both GP & SONAR posting Larry Johnson article about Lithuania closing off Königsberg access by Russia...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/

So it's Russia's "our products, our rules" vs EU/NATO "their nations, their rules" clashing.

Wait...no clash really...this affect land access, which if I recall correctly rail traffic by far is the larger impact via the formerly agreed upon corridor...so sea access remains open...so, gain...not much of a test without a blockade at sea, is it?

But, expect much hand-ringing and chest-beating angst from the usual quarters.

Gonna have to find another method of getting WWIII started...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #841 on: June 19, 2022, 12:22:10 PM »
USSR had tried to give it away once or twice.
What a complicated history.
Until WWII this Konigsberg area was almost all German. Konigsberg area was divided between Poland, Kaliningrad, and Lithuania.
BTW after WWII German speakers were forced out of many countries including this region, Czech, and Russia. I recall there had been autonomous German speaking cities deep inside Russia for a long time. Not sure when they ended.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #842 on: June 19, 2022, 12:25:35 PM »
https://t.me/RTnewsEU/4278
Minsk Agreements ‘Meant Nothing,’ Were Used to Buy Time – Ukraine's Fmr Pres

Petro Poroshenko admitted the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military.

He made the comments in interviews with several news outlets this week, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and the Ukrainian branch of the US state-run Radio Free Europe.

“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #843 on: June 19, 2022, 02:20:43 PM »
Just pee in the river...

Think you can undo anybody's past blunders without paying a price?

Works for any side of this sh*tshow...

And, with the military failure in those provinces certain...it appears an idea I floated months ago is being tried...both GP & SONAR posting Larry Johnson article about Lithuania closing off Königsberg access by Russia...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/

So it's Russia's "our products, our rules" vs EU/NATO "their nations, their rules" clashing.

Wait...no clash really...this affect land access, which if I recall correctly rail traffic by far is the larger impact via the formerly agreed upon corridor...so sea access remains open...so, gain...not much of a test without a blockade at sea, is it?

But, expect much hand-ringing and chest-beating angst from the usual quarters.

Gonna have to find another method of getting WWIII started...

I question the judgement of the Lithuanian govt in this blockade. Perhaps too many emotional women in govt. What is in it for Lithuania?  Is this the way NATO hopes to enter the war? Did NATO talk Lithuania into doing this?

Lithuania should remember that the US discards used allies like used condoms. The Russians will not forget this anytime soon. They will remember long after the US has forgotten about Lithuania.

Here is the way I look at this. Long ago when the USSR fell apart I was glad and thought the US would go home. When NATO advanced east I thought Russia would see this as a threat. I did not know 3 things. The US had made oral promises (written down by some) to not move NATO east. Every scholar, ambassador, statesman said/wrote that moving NATO east would threaten Russia and that Ukraine was a red line.

I look on NATO as I would  view the Warsaw pact moving up toward the US southern border. If they reached Mexico I  hope the US would pound them into last century. I do not blame Russia for doing the same in Ukraine. The US state dept knew how the Russians viewed NATO and Ukraine. Why the US acted to provoke war is concerning to me.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #844 on: June 20, 2022, 08:58:14 AM »
When dealing with Marxist Dem's you have to remember they are still butthurt over the Soviets throwing in the towel...that really put a hiccup in their yearnings for socialism...and with Cucks, well, now we get to the second thing to remember...Marxist Dem's only interested in conflict if it enriches themselves and punishes their perceived enemies...and Cucks like conflicts for the same reasons but also like attempting nation-building when in the past the old guard conservatives did not, they would want to defeat the enemy and go back home (like you expected after the Soviets fell)...

But the Soviets fell on GHW Bush's watch...and being an ex-spook his Langley impulses came back...and he thought a soft partnership with the Russians was the clever approach...so yeah, stupid promises were made that were never meant to be kept...and succeeding morons followed the same script...

IMO on 3 realistic approaches at that time were possible - 1) Move in quickly on Eastern Europe with military/economic ties (basically a blitzkrieg of where NATO is now) or 2) Collapse NATO and go home (while having lease rights maintained in UK, Italy, Turkey for bases) and let Russia figure itself out or 3) Get cute and make nobody happy.  GHW Bush chose option 3.

As for the blockade...it's a half-blockade...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice

Land only, rail...like I said.

Can provision by sea.

So, ball is in Russia's court...worth war or not?  Well, unless EC throws in the towel...

They are feckless Euro's after all...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #845 on: June 20, 2022, 12:08:14 PM »
"If in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests," the statement reads.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice

Wow, promised WWIII, given a boilerplate warning instead...

Somebody disappointed...

Not me...I hold most things in such low regard...its hard to be disappointed...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #846 on: June 20, 2022, 03:45:42 PM »
"If in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests," the statement reads.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice

Wow, promised WWIII, given a boilerplate warning instead...

Somebody disappointed...

Not me...I hold most things in such low regard...its hard to be disappointed...

 That port is ice free but St. Petersburg is not. So in winter things will get worse.
I continue to be amazed at how countries are not acting in their own self interest.
The EU shooting itself in both feet over Russian gas is the best example.
What is in it for Lithuania?
This is like blocking an easement to a neighboring house where that house is owned by the mafia.
BTW there is a clever commentator based in St. Petersburg. He is UK expat married to a Russian. Some IT developer guy.
He is very careful in what he believes. He has given a few walk and talk walks through different parts of St. Petersburg and surrounds. He said the Ukrainian officers were "calibrated."

Beautiful buildings. That is where some of the movie Reds was filmed.

https://youtu.be/jj4V96bOtUQ
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By closing its railway to Kaliningrad , Lithuania looses the last transportation fee/income it had after Belarus redirected all its cargo shipment to the Russian port near Sankt Petersborg.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #847 on: June 20, 2022, 04:27:32 PM »

I do not ordinarily post all this telegram stuff but a couple things stuck out. One is a 2019 video of Zelensky promising war.
Ukraine has been complaining they lack artillery and rockets but they have been hitting the civilian areas of the Donbass the hardest they have in 8 years for several days now. Why not use it on Russian troops. instead?

This has been going on for 8 years but is more intense recently.

BTW the evidence of the civilian nature of the area includes: the location away from the front, the testimony of locals, and the video footage of the area. There is a huge amount of video footage taken over the last week by civilians.

This guy has lived in Donbass and reported on this for 8 years.


Huge crater
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/752
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https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1769
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1770
Looks to me like the most likely origin of the strikes is Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk), just doing some back of the napkin calculations and looking at the damage to the building and where the green zone is relative to the apartment building. Something was hit deeper into the urban area, likely this particular missile just did not make it far enough.

My bet is that some Ukrainian Nazi terrorists got themselves a few HIMARS and decided to test them out on civilians, and just aimed them at Kuybyshevsky district of Donetsk, not necessarily aiming at anything in particular in the last third of the range.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1771
PS. Just like any MLRS, M142 HIMARS are not designed for precision strikes on specific targets. Like any MLRS, they are intended to be used on wide areas, against concentrations of the opponent’s personnel and equipment. Which is the reason why using MLRS against urban areas—whatever the hoped-for outcome—is inevitably a war crime. It’s meant to cause widespread damage, not surgical elimination of specific targets

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/418
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/1585
Vladimir Zelensky's first press conference on October 11, 2019 [promising war]



More video of the recent attacks on the civilian areas on Donetsk city.
https://youtu.be/TLXR6pXrzBI
https://youtu.be/n82hgiQN97o

He gets under intense shelling and runs to the basement of a plant that makes mine safety equipment.
https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc

Sweet moment at 25 min.
https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc?t=1505
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #848 on: June 21, 2022, 08:49:58 AM »
Wow...hard to root for a winner or loser in this retarded game...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-st-petersburg-sets-stage-war-economic-corridors

...but I think the safe prediction is everybody loses...

...a partitioning of the world will only reshuffle the deck, it won't solve deficiencies and fill gaps...it won't end jealousies and greed...it will amplify all the above and make global conflict certain instead of likely...

But Rubicon's started getting crossed over a hundred years ago...take a miracle to halt any part of it now...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #849 on: June 22, 2022, 04:35:31 PM »
The gas cut off is just speculation, I hope.
Another example of a country's leader acting to harm them. This is not good for Lithuania.
Also, the leader of Bulgaria ended Russian gas and now be on the way out.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1948
Lithuania may cut off the gas supply to Kaliningrad.

The Baltic Republic is playing with fire, trying to block the Russian region, writes the Croatian edition of Advance.

Vilnius presents what is happening as the fulfillment of EU sanctions, but Moscow regards the blockade of Kaliningrad as an anti-Russian step by Lithuania.

"Does NATO membership instill sufficient confidence in Lithuania?" the journalists ask.

Now, if Vilnius continues this policy, it may try to block the Minsk—Vilnius—Kaunas—Kaliningrad gas pipeline.


On June 17, the Lithuanian authorities banned the delivery of "sanctioned" goods to the Kaliningrad region — about 50% of all cargo going to the region.



https://theduran.com/lithuania-is-living-dangerously-angering-china-and-russia/
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ZradaXXII, [6/22/2022 8:53 AM]
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Little fact about Lithuania. It considers the time under USSR as an illegitimate occupation. Thus, legally, the lands it got under ussr (including its capital Vilnius (Vilnya)) are no longer Lithuanian either. But Russia and Lithuania signed a treaty in 2004, stating that Russia, as a legal successor state to the USSR, recognizes Lithuanian borders as long as there is free access to Kaliningrad. Now Lithuania breached its agreement, meaning Lithuania will lose Klaipeda region, which was transferred from Germany to USSR according to Potsdam conference, and also they will lose Vilnya, which was transferred from Poland to first Belarus, and only then given to Lithuania by Stalin.

So yeah, after all, perhaps Soviet occupation wasn’t too bad compared to what may happen next to them
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #850 on: June 22, 2022, 07:34:12 PM »
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know.

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #851 on: June 22, 2022, 09:14:17 PM »
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know.

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.



No new info there, except they're touting three shots instead of the one I got as a child.

I'm calling BS.  The "eggsperts" are also claiming those from turd-world countries -- middle East -- are those showing symptoms because "they haven't been fully vaccinated".
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #852 on: June 23, 2022, 08:37:22 AM »
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know.

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.



No new info there, except they're touting three shots instead of the one I got as a child.

I'm calling BS.  The "eggsperts" are also claiming those from turd-world countries -- middle East -- are those showing symptoms because "they haven't been fully vaccinated".

Yeah uhh, no,  They can eat their shots!   ::vafancoul::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #853 on: June 23, 2022, 08:41:09 AM »
The gas cut off is just speculation, I hope.
Another example of a country's leader acting to harm them. This is not good for Lithuania.
Also, the leader of Bulgaria ended Russian gas and now be on the way out.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1948
Lithuania may cut off the gas supply to Kaliningrad.

The Baltic Republic is playing with fire, trying to block the Russian region, writes the Croatian edition of Advance.

Vilnius presents what is happening as the fulfillment of EU sanctions, but Moscow regards the blockade of Kaliningrad as an anti-Russian step by Lithuania.

"Does NATO membership instill sufficient confidence in Lithuania?" the journalists ask.

Now, if Vilnius continues this policy, it may try to block the Minsk—Vilnius—Kaunas—Kaliningrad gas pipeline.


On June 17, the Lithuanian authorities banned the delivery of "sanctioned" goods to the Kaliningrad region — about 50% of all cargo going to the region.



https://theduran.com/lithuania-is-living-dangerously-angering-china-and-russia/
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Little fact about Lithuania. It considers the time under USSR as an illegitimate occupation. Thus, legally, the lands it got under ussr (including its capital Vilnius (Vilnya)) are no longer Lithuanian either. But Russia and Lithuania signed a treaty in 2004, stating that Russia, as a legal successor state to the USSR, recognizes Lithuanian borders as long as there is free access to Kaliningrad. Now Lithuania breached its agreement, meaning Lithuania will lose Klaipeda region, which was transferred from Germany to USSR according to Potsdam conference, and also they will lose Vilnya, which was transferred from Poland to first Belarus, and only then given to Lithuania by Stalin.

So yeah, after all, perhaps Soviet occupation wasn’t too bad compared to what may happen next to them

Uhh huh, well...as always...history did not begin in 1917...so, ahh...that logic is DOA.

Frankly, there is no interest on any side of getting along...so, just enjoy the circus...   ::popcorn::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #854 on: June 23, 2022, 05:48:54 PM »

Interesting site

https://thesaker.is/a-quick-update-from-andrei-with-a-few-notes/

A quick update from Andrei, with a few additional notes
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    In the meantime the Euroukrainians are now planning to ban and destroy over 100’000’000 copies of Russian language books.  Hitler would be proud.  The Eurolemmings have nothing to say.  You know, “#cancelRussia” thingie (meaning both Russians themselves and the Russian culture in all its forms) and all that “it’s okay when we do it” or “our SOBs” stuff.
    The Western economic Blitzkrieg against Russia has totally failed and the joke in Russia is that while McCain famously once said that “Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country” with contempt, “Biden” is now saying the same thing, but with deep envy :-)

Translation: for our Fatherland

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this: the West has declared total war on Russia (and, de facto, to all of Zone B) and Russia has accepted this.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #855 on: June 23, 2022, 05:54:34 PM »

I take the survey on moving to Russia with a grain of salt but still interesting.
This guy works in IT/gaming and is UK expat who moved to St. Petersburg. Married to Russian.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #856 on: June 24, 2022, 11:21:54 AM »
The Saker is one among many who have been heavily linked by ZeroHedge over the years with an obvious Russophile bias I got bored with many years ago...I would routinely torture the Cult of Vlad...always the same with those clowns - Russia is perfect, Vlad is the smartest, toughest sexiest man on the planet...the West is (especially America) evil, selfish and the source of every ill on the planet.  Yeah, sure...  I tried using reason, explaining no place, no leader is free of vice, free of bias or free of corruption...no nation is safer than another in a world gone mad...like DemCom's when they cannot admit even simple obvious truths, they resort to the name calling...  People can quibble on the edges but I see zero evidence after many decades to alter my opinion.  Once, in a nominal sense when it was America and Europe and "freedom" vs The Red Menace of the Soviets and their occupation allies, Mao's China, North Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba's "totalitarianism" there was an obvious "rather be here than there" paradigm of human choice...now, the consequences of corruption in the numerous warnings of Our Founders has come to fruition and America is moving more into totalitarianism, Europe who has always had a significant socialist malignancy within it is moving more totalitarian...the Chi-Com's have never moved off totalitarianism...Australia and New Zealand as seen in the plandemic are eagerly totalitarian...and while many may not agree post-Soviet Russia is still totalitarian: they've all but banned political opposition, imprisoned its most potent political rival on BS, and tolerates opposition as long as it knows its subservient role, enjoys censorship to control national narrative...sound familiar?  It's what the DemCom's are trying and want here - Russiagate, 2 bogus impeachments, Jan6 kangaroo court, BigBroTech censorship, corrupt elections...America in many respects under the DemCom's and controlled-opposition McConnell Cucks are trying to catch up where everybody else is...

The way things are going...the character DJ's credos of "it's all a machine" and "live free, don't join" may be wise, for in our real life drama unfolding before our eyes...I do not believe there is a "good" state to join...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

...in a nation state perspective that is...

...the only "good" I see is us, we who believe in Founding Principles, God-given rights to Life and Liberty....

...apart from us is only "the machine"...


As for St.Petersburg...hilarious...the one Russian city whose citizens have always yearned to be more European regardless what maniac in Moscow lorded over them!  In my ZH teasing days my Russian girlfriend was from there, very cosmopolitan...

 ::hysterical::

Want to see the real and depressing Russia...go inland!  Limey's like the idea of Russia not the reality!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #857 on: June 24, 2022, 01:12:13 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-nato-appear-be-forming-bloc-war-against-russia-lavrov

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-us-long-range-rocket-systems-used-first-time-ukraine

Yeah...it's soooo infuriating when wars are begun and players refuse to respect each others ideas of the rules to play by!  Man, is that an unexpected spanner in the works or what?!

 ::creepycryingbaby::

But, in some positive news...on the energy/economy front...Germans are proving to be more pragmatic than their more radically totalitarian kin in America...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/23/german-economic-minister-announces-restart-of-coal-power-plants-for-electricity-due-to-nato-sanctions-and-german-dependence-on-russian-oil-and-gas/

Proving the illegitimate occupation government in America truly hates carbon-based people as much as carbon-based energy...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #858 on: June 24, 2022, 03:13:28 PM »
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The way things are going...the character DJ's credos of "it's all a machine" and "live free, don't join" may be wise, for in our real life drama unfolding before our eyes...I do not believe there is a "good" state to join...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

...in a nation state perspective that is...

...the only "good" I see is us, we who believe in Founding Principles, God-given rights to Life and Liberty....

...apart from us is only "the machine"...


As for St.Petersburg...hilarious...the one Russian city whose citizens have always yearned to be more European regardless what maniac in Moscow lorded over them!  In my ZH teasing days my Russian girlfriend was from there, very cosmopolitan...

 ::hysterical::

Want to see the real and depressing Russia...go inland!  Limey's like the idea of Russia not the reality!

There were some soccer matches in Russia and many in UK went and were shocked at how nice it was. It did not match the news reports. That was maybe 5 years ago.

I do not know much about the saker.
Putin is from St. Petersburg so many Russians view him as too European and a softy. Then he became a lawyer and lived in East Berlin, not Moscow. Berlin has always had a decadent reputation. Another piece of evidence.

There are some reality YT channels of some Australian farmers who moved to Russia. Many westerners report that Moscow has changed for the better in a huge way in the past 10 or 20 years.

Rural Russian isolated villages are pretty depressing.

Parts of Reds was filmed in St. Petersburg. FYI the movie starts out with an idealistic journalist and the romance of communism. It ends with him looking foolish and only his  wife making any sense. If a person can listen it is not a pro communist movie. There is some very subtle anti communist dialogue early on and it takes over at the end.
https://youtu.be/c13q2wYZr_0?t=74
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #859 on: June 24, 2022, 06:10:58 PM »
Bastard.

https://www.rt.com/business/557729-gas-shortage-industry-halt-germany/
 Germany warns entire industries could stop due to gas shortage
The stoppage could be for a prolonged period, according Economy Minister Robert Habeck
Germany warns entire industries could stop due to gas shortage
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Germany could be forced to close down entire industrial sectors if there is a nationwide natural gas shortage, Economy Minister Robert Habeck told Der Spiegel on Friday.

“All factory activities will be suspended. It will be a disaster for some industries. And we are not talking about two days or weeks, but about a long time. We are talking about people, who will lose their jobs and regions that will lose entire industrial complexes,” Habeck said.

The minister insisted, however, that Germans are united in the face of these difficulties, support anti-Russia sanctions, and are ready to endure some degree of hardship.
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