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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1080 on: October 25, 2022, 08:34:58 AM »
Well it's nice to be able to both have control over Pres. Z and have no control over Pres. Z from minute to minute depending upon the topic...

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See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-house-dems-urge-dramatic-shift-biden-policy-ukraine-get-serious-about-diplomacy-or

Token, meaningless and impotent gesture...all kabuki...proven by the IC's mouthpiece...

WaPo concludes, "For now, their position remains a minority in the Democratic Party, which has overwhelmingly supported Biden’s denunciations of Russia and his spearheading of a global coalition to funnel massive support to Ukraine. Biden has framed the conflict as part of his broader view that the world is witnessing a historic confrontation between authoritarianism and democracy."

...I especially note the Big Lie at the end...if they we're truly honest...it would say "historic confrontation between Eastern Imperial Authoritarianism vs Western Socialist Totalitarianism."

And in response the JoeFraud regime flips from control of Z to can't tell Z what to do...

US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby also responded Monday, stressing that "We’re not going to have conversations with the Russian leadership without the Ukrainians being represented." He added, according to The Washington Post, "Mr. Zelensky gets to determine – because it’s his country – what success looks like and when to negotiate."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-dems-walk-back-letter-biden-urging-ukraine-negotiations-after-white-house-response

Again, WaPo, the IC's mouthpiece...indicates to me that in security matters and foreign policy they are calling the shots...Foggy Bottom & CNN ar left to regurgitating the same old vomit and seem to have rendered themselves useless in this affair...no better than the IC's lapdog now...

So, it is obvious, the war goes on.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1081 on: October 26, 2022, 09:13:57 AM »
The West is happy with their nuclear drills...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-notifies-white-house-its-annual-nuclear-exercise-has-begun

...Russia is happy with theirs and is celebrating with missile tests today...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1082 on: October 27, 2022, 08:21:45 AM »
https://t.me/intelslava/40049

RIA Novosti?  State run (aren't they all?!)...there is the chance this is a double-reverse false-flag but overall, such a stunt contemplated by anybody along these lines is idiotic on its face...

Why a "dirty" bomb vs a real bomb?  Why would something dirty set off in an already dirty area be a big deal anyway?  Seriously, Clownworld truly is a global phenomena!

 ::)

But in the race for "who is the serious" regarding WWIII preps...looks like the Russians are ahead...at least in a PR sense if not in fact...

https://andmagazine.substack.com/p/the-russians-are-building-bomb-shelters
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1083 on: October 28, 2022, 10:21:06 AM »
As Bloomberg just reported, the Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy rejects limits on using nuclear weapons long championed by arms control advocates (and, in the not too distant past, by Joe Bide) citing burgeoning threats from Russia and China.

“By the 2030s the United States will, for the first time in its history face two major nuclear powers as strategic competitors and potential adversaries,” the Defense Department said in the long-awaited document issued Thursday. In response, the US will “maintain a very high bar for nuclear employment” without ruling out using the weapons in retaliation to a non-nuclear strategic threat to the homeland, US forces abroad or allies.
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...thus making an outright nuclear attack far more likely (if the US will nuke you anyway, may as well go all out)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stunning-strategy-reversal-pentagon-will-no-longer-rule-out-use-nuclear-weapons-against-non

This is insane...and ZH is wrong to call this "neocon insanity"...this is UniParty (Democommie & E-GOP/Cuck) insanity! 

The same people everybody knows is destroying this Republic with every word, thought and deed they do!

David sees it...  https://twitter.com/DavidLimbaugh/status/1585815289966612481

Too many do not!   ::outrage::

In other news...

While staging upgraded-component gravity B-61's within NATO isn't "new"...it just makes an awareness of the above more critical...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-accelerates-upgraded-nuke-delivery-jittery-european-allies-cable

And hoping the lunatics don't abuse this opportunity...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-willing-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-border-russia

...in light of the strategic change towards insanity is troubling.

The trends continue to portend a bleak future...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1084 on: October 28, 2022, 10:39:09 AM »
Quote
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-willing-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-border-russia

...in light of the strategic change towards insanity is troubling.

Insanity indeed.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1085 on: October 29, 2022, 11:10:58 AM »


A nice summary.
https://youtu.be/wN_U7qK_T9M
“You can not manufacture weapons when you don’t have enemy and war!”
Col. Richard Black: U.S. created the illusion of Chinese aggression

Also
https://youtu.be/tCIDt3zON3o
Richard Black: NATO not dissolved is one of the greatest tragedies of American history

https://youtu.be/9NeO_-S-LUk
Col. Richard Black: U.S. foreign policy heading in radical direction
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1086 on: October 31, 2022, 09:38:16 AM »
If "if's" and "but's" were "candy" and "nuts"...everyday would be Christmas!

Cliff Note version of that Cliff Note version is "nobody cares".

There will be war...for Russia it is existential...for the West it is existential for "the new world order" to survive...

In other news...

Finland says arms meant for Ukraine being diverted into criminal gang hands...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-says-ukraine-arms-ending-hands-criminal-gangs

...sure, happens everywhere...only thing different is the volume is so great coming in, it's guaranteed to generate widespread episodes of profiteering to anybody with funds...

Duh?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/worlds-most-heavily-armed-governments-are-becoming-explicitly-hostile-toward-one-another

Video on Russian ships?  Guess not.  Man, war waging and the coverage sucks!

As for this...yeah, Hedges you stupendously stupid muppet-buying asshole...it's for this reason and people like you we are in this mess:

You know we are in trouble when former Donald Trump is the voice of reason.

“We must demand the immediate negotiation of a peaceful end to the war in Ukraine, or we will end up in world war three” the former U.S. president said. “And there will be nothing left of our planet — all because stupid people didn’t have a clue … They don’t understand what they’re dealing with, the power of nuclear.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chris-hedges-stop-worrying-love-bomb

But that's what you can expect from a NY Slimes trained KGB stooge!

 ::doublebird::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-floats-basis-putin-biden-talks-moment-most-americans-want-diplomatic-solution

...60% of Americans are likely to be greatly disappointed...the JoeFraud junta is incapable of sane and ration discussion...and to be Devil's advocate Russia doesn't always make it easy...Putin should have negotiated with Trump before the coup...

Drone attack update - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-suspends-participation-ukraine-grain-deal-after-massive-drone-attack-black-sea

That's it?  Ones with explosions no drone in sight...   ::whatgives::

Seen better resolution on civilian pleasure drones!

NS update - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-formally-accuses-british-navy-nord-stream-terrorist-attack

And I do not trust this source, so FWIW - https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1586955743021780993

Interesting spin on the Truss implosion.  Even if true, probably only made her DOA budget blunder even easier to have her sacked in favor of a more pliable WEF stooge...


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1087 on: October 31, 2022, 11:28:44 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/much-ukrainian-capital-without-power-water-after-new-russian-airstrikes

When Europe and America go dark...it won't be because of Russia...our enemies are all home-grown terrorists...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1089 on: November 02, 2022, 04:35:22 PM »
I never came across good reporting on the Ukr grain deal. I understand it had two parts. One dealt with a safe transport corridor. The other dealt with not having an embargo on Russian grain. I recently heard that the west sanctioned the ships carrying the Russian grain instead. So clever.

Now from some sailor's telegram channel I read a detailed account on part of the grain deal.
I heard that Ukraine had created the Crimean bridge bomb, then shipped it out through the corridor on a boat to another Black Sea port then onto a truck then back to the bridge. That is the Russian version as they said they tracked the cargo through several countries.

Now I heard that the aerial drones and maybe one of the semi submersible drones used to attack Sevastopol were launched from a ship in the safe corridor. One semi submersible was captured along with the video.  If true this explains why the Russians were upset over the grain deal.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18269
THE BIG GRAIN SWINDLE
Or a black mark in the Black Sea.

#OPINION #GRAIN

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I took part of the title of this article out of respect for the Sex Pistols band, and the book The Great Rock'n'roll Swindle, written by their manager, is an integral part of all punk rock history. So, the name immediately came to mind as my ship anchored just south of Bozcaada Island, awaiting passage through the Dardanelles, the first of the two Turkish straits that open up the Black Sea to the shipping. The second strait is the Bosphorus. The two are 130 nautical miles apart and are separated by the Sea of Marmara. This article is an analysis of the data I have from a carrier at sea on a Liberian-flagged merchant vessel.

My ship is sailing to Ukraine on its not-very-best of days, to say the least, for corn. All the Russian crew are disembarked, only Ukrainians and Filipinos remain on board. I am a Crimean citizen my hometown is Sevastopol. That means that for the Ukrainian authorities I am a separatist, a turncoat and an enemy. I am going ashore in the second strait, in the Bosphorus. But that is better than the uncertainty caused by the harsh reality of lawlessness that has been operating in Ukraine long before the events of February 24. After February 24, for ordinary Russian seafarers in Ukrainian ports it became even worse. Harsh interviewing, fact-checking on social media, offers of cooperation/recruitment, removal from the vessel under various pretexts contrary to international conventions followed by an exchange (remember the Svir ship crew), torture, extortion, etc. Erdogan, hold my beer, I'm packing a suitcase.

What can I say, when the Ukrainian citizens, the crew members themselves, had their jaws dropped when the note came with the details of the next voyage, together with the port of loading Yuzhny (now called Pivdenny port, renamed recently so as not to associate anything with the Russian language), which is located just north of Odessa. Jaws dropped, because Ukrainian seafarers themselves understand that they also will be interviewed and fact-checked, that uncomfortable questions await them, that anything can happen in the port, and that representatives of various departments can come on board. The provocative bravado with which they sang the Ukrainian anthem, with a glass in their hand, faded away, out of the chat. They and their ship are on their way to Ukraine and they are not laughing.

So we dropped anchor near the entrance to the Dardanelles. Just so you understand, this happens very rarely. It used to be possible to take a pilot across the strait immediately upon arrival or to pass the strait without a pilot at all. But it all comes down to the three operating Ukrainian grain ports in the Black Sea: the port of Yuzhny, Odessa and Chernomorsk (formerly Illyichevsk). The grain deal, which was formalised recently between Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and the EU, is conditional upon the creation of a special corridor, the HSTC (High Seas Transit Corridor) in Ukrainian territorial waters, which in turn is part of the MHC (Maritime Humanitarian Corridor) in the Black Sea, in force for the duration of the deal itself. What this mean is: a two-mile-wide corridor has been created, and vessels traveling to and from Ukrainian ports are lined up in a caravan to which no warships of either party are allowed within ten miles of each other. The coordinating body for all this is also the JCC (Joint Coordination Centre). The grain treaty itself has a deadline of November 22 this year. If in the beginning everything was working like clockwork and more than two hundred bulk carriers have already fulfilled their voyage obligations to deliver Ukrainian grain crops to various countries, now the deal is in jeopardy and here's why.

(continued in the next post)

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18270
(continued from previous post)

In a nutshell, the Crimean bridge. After the eighth of October, everything turned upside down. The terrorist act involving Ukraine (along with its ports) with several EU member states (read: parties to the grain deal) was unleashed (https://t.me/doppelfod/181) and fundamentally changed the tactical component of the special military operation that Russia is conducting.

— fodeve (http://t.me/doppelfod), writing for @SevMob

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1090 on: November 02, 2022, 04:41:38 PM »
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1091 on: November 02, 2022, 04:43:39 PM »
UK PM Truss sacked some home secretary for sending a classified document using unclassified means.
Now it seems Truss was caught using her iPhone to message the US that the pipeline explosion "was done" or some such. The sacked home secretary just got her job back.  ::thumbsup::
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1092 on: November 02, 2022, 04:53:01 PM »
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...

As far as I know, Russia never stopped a Ukrainian ship from leaving. The mines planted by Kiev prevented that and the insurance companies would not insure any such ship. I could be wrong but I never saw an example. NOW I read some Russian govt official say they might inspect such ships.  One of the Russian ships harmed was a mine sweeper apparently used to maintain the safe corridor.

I said long ago that if I were Kiev I would not bomb the Kirsch bridge because Kiev still had electricity and functioning indoor plumbing which could change. So now many lack that.  However many say that this most recent phase of the war would have happened even without the bridge bombing.

In the Donbass they now post that Kiev is now like the Donbass for many years, with no water or electricity.

Kiev boasted that only 6 Russian missiles got through as maybe 44 were intercepted? Then they reported that 18 targets were hit. You do the math.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1093 on: November 03, 2022, 08:45:02 AM »
UK PM Truss sacked some home secretary for sending a classified document using unclassified means.
Now it seems Truss was caught using her iPhone to message the US that the pipeline explosion "was done" or some such. The sacked home secretary just got her job back.  ::thumbsup::

Yeah, could be total BS, could be real, either way makes no differences to the reality of now.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1094 on: November 03, 2022, 08:50:28 AM »
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...

As far as I know, Russia never stopped a Ukrainian ship from leaving. The mines planted by Kiev prevented that and the insurance companies would not insure any such ship. I could be wrong but I never saw an example. NOW I read some Russian govt official say they might inspect such ships.  One of the Russian ships harmed was a mine sweeper apparently used to maintain the safe corridor.

I said long ago that if I were Kiev I would not bomb the Kirsch bridge because Kiev still had electricity and functioning indoor plumbing which could change. So now many lack that.  However many say that this most recent phase of the war would have happened even without the bridge bombing.

In the Donbass they now post that Kiev is now like the Donbass for many years, with no water or electricity.

Kiev boasted that only 6 Russian missiles got through as maybe 44 were intercepted? Then they reported that 18 targets were hit. You do the math.

Stupid happens in war...and it will happen some more...

The Rus are pointing the fickle finger of fate at the UK though, not Ukraine - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-present-evidence-uk-special-forces-behind-crimea-attacks

And if you believe them on NS, UK also behind that.

So, why bomb Kyiv and the rest of central/western Ukraine and plunge them into darkness and cold?  Should be targeting London, right?   ::whatgives::

Wars are not only destructive, vile and horrific...or just stupid...they also have fundamentally unfair impacts on lives...

Been that way since Cain slew Able...

Heck, the UN would be...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-security-council-votes-down-probe-biolabs-ukraine

...pointless if not for stupid and unfair...

...the same assholes behind Agenda 21 and Net-Zero forced human depopulation schemes!
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1095 on: November 03, 2022, 09:00:34 AM »
Ummm....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-begins-construction-razor-wire-barrier-along-border-russias-kaliningrad-amid

...razor-wire and guards are a poor defense to tanks and other mechanized war material...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1096 on: November 03, 2022, 09:10:00 AM »
Looks like a four ring circus could commence...IMO I think a Chi-Com move on Taiwan could trigger the other 3 to go hot/hotter...

https://uncanceled.news/3-more-major-wars-that-could-suddenly-erupt-in-2023/

...timetable will definitely will be quicker than anybody wants...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1097 on: November 04, 2022, 08:25:58 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-norway-over-final-destruction-relations-its-arctic-operations

The easily bruised Rus ego strikes again...

Nobody has an exclusive claim on the Arctic or the Antarctic...

So, if peeved about spy wars real or imagined, stay on point please, OK?  This show has enough sub-plots as it is!  LOL

This looks like it has more legs...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11387435/Russia-warns-Britain-faces-dangerous-consequences-involvement-Ukraine-war.html
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1098 on: November 04, 2022, 11:13:28 AM »

Long ago Turkey gave conditional approval for admitting Sweden and Finland to NATO.
The Duran doubted Sweden would follow through as the conditions were harsh.
I recall Sweden had to extradite some Kurds to Turkey for trial, including some members of parliament?.
Now Turkey says Sweden has not followed through.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1099 on: November 04, 2022, 12:13:57 PM »
I'm guessing domestic laws probably a sticking point...no promise to a foreign power could be kept if a government cannot throw its laws aside, and I do not believe Erdogan or his people are/were ignorant of this...IMO they knew it would be a promise not able to be kept and they allowed the ruse to continue merely to score a symbolic propaganda win...

Awesome, now what?
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