Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[patentlymn]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.

I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.

I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

And, thanks to that projectile-vomit inducing sh*t-show shakedown on The Hill in the Swamp...with the DemoScats looking like they surrendered our sovereignty to a foreign power...



https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-announce-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-arrives-dc

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/gross-pelosi-proudly-holds-ukrainian-flag-house-chamber-zelensky-gives-kiss-cheek-video/

...and gosh, why just billions?  Why not trillions?  Just throw it on the debt...it is obvious neither DemoCommies or Cucks give a flying fornication about the mounting debt and the terminal economic ruin in guarantees...fire up those presses you demented bastards!

Seriously, this is the sickest most evil government America has ever suffered under!  And they are aiming at sickest move evil government in world history!

JFK, Jr warned us...



...if anything he understated how badly, and how many fellow conspirators he has...they sold us all out to scum across the globe!

And, y'all know me, I have no love for Russians, no starry-eyed cult of personality bromance with Czar Vladimir...I stick to my guns about this being a Euro-only problem with their Ukrainian neighbor and Russia, just like the whole Bosnian-Croatia crap was a Euro-only problem...but now the Russians are making sense and they would not be making sense if in point of fact this corrupt DemoCommie government with lapdog Cuck enablers hadn't suborned our sovereignty to Euro-fools and this Ukrainian mess...

"The Hollywood-style trip to Washington by the head of the Kiev regime has confirmed that the administration’s conciliatory statements about the lack of intention to start a confrontation with Russia are just empty words," Russian ambassador to the US, Anatoly Antonov, said in fresh statements.

And earlier Peskov said - As Zelensky arrived in Washington Wednesday, the Kremlin had signaled the trip to the US and meeting with Biden at the White House now means there's no chance of peace with Kiev.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-blasts-zelenskys-hollywood-style-trip-furtherance-us-proxy-war

The crap quote of FDR that Z-maniac used that DemoCommies and Cucks lustily applauded ("absolute victory") implies a ruined Russia and total regime change (just like post-war Germany, Italy and Japan), right?!  Well, no sh*t Russia is taking any peace talks BS and tossing it in the sh*tcan!  Duh?!  So while DemoCommies and Cucks lecture American's that Ukraine's borders matter more than our own, that Ukraine's corruption and money-laundering operations back into their pockets is essential and worth risking WWIII armageddon over and that crushing the Constitution here is as essential to ensure the UniParty can see which of the horrors they are unleashing destroy us first...all must concede to their Hellish vision and join in the insane celebration of their wickedness?  It's America Last, Evil First.

https://youtu.be/M9OAj-WcK44



SOTU 2022 (He skipped the Z-Maniac show)




H/T's-CTH

   all these treasonous snakes and their anti-American BS and totalitarian crimes against all of humanity!!!

[patentlymn]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.

I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

His missile info may be dated. He or someone also gave the number of people required to use the patriot system. A large number. Can't remember how many.

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.

I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

His missile info may be dated. He or someone also gave the number of people required to use the patriot system. A large number. Can't remember how many.

I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...

[Libertas]

Vlad increasing Russian military...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-unveils-plan-increase-size-military-15-million-troops

And mobilizing tanks north of Kyiv...

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1605275564948049922

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1605483288205750274

And the 15-independently targeted hypersonics are being deployed...

Russians are getting ready to officially deploy their new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles in January…

Putin said on Wednesday during a meeting with military chiefs that he aimed to deploy his terrifying RS-28 Sarmat missile – nicknamed Satan-2 – in January.
https://discernreport.com/feverishly-racing-toward-our-own-destruction/

The mad rush to sterilizing all life on Earth marches on...

[patentlymn]

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I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...

I do not know either. I just repeated what I heard. Ritter also said that US would not be sending the most modern patriots. Maybe more of US dumping crap on Ukr so the US can replace with good stuff. Also the Patriot training is reportedly very long and only done within US. Several months. Unless US troops or former troops are doing the work.

Also, someone said that Patriots are not the shoot and scoot Himars. They stay in one place a long time.

[Libertas]

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I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...

I do not know either. I just repeated what I heard. Ritter also said that US would not be sending the most modern patriots. Maybe more of US dumping crap on Ukr so the US can replace with good stuff. Also the Patriot training is reportedly very long and only done within US. Several months. Unless US troops or former troops are doing the work.

Also, someone said that Patriots are not the shoot and scoot Himars. They stay in one place a long time.

Well, it does have a transporter unit, since it is radar guided (and fortunately also able to counteract jamming) it needs to stay locked.  Not as big a wait as you can imagine  given target and intercepting missile velocities...and since these are tpyically delpoyed in battalion echelon fashion of like 6 batteries with 6 launchers each and a control battery...a fully-manned "system" has 90 folks running it and then support maintenance and troops for security can throw in 500-600 more.  So those requiring "training" would be the primary "system" and some maintenance folks...the bulk of the troops can be any grunt.  Also, we do not know if it is a full or partial echelon or not.  I am guessing most will be around protecting Kyiv and such...and that a healthy handful of advisors/contractors will be necessary anyway...

In other news...

Vlad seems to be undercutting his credibility some more...by backtracking previous state pronouncements (the latest just 4 days ago!) of "no peace is possible with Kyiv"...by reopening the door...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-ready-negotiate-end-ukraine-war-west-wants-tear-apart-russia

Another critical blow to credibility and the image of the 4D geopolitical chess master...the first being unable/unwilling/uninterested in making any sensible agreements with Trump went he had the chance...opting instead for a regime more insane, corrupt and aggressive to Russia...

Now this...

[Libertas]

I have to believe Dmitry was knocking back the Stoli quite heavily when this was penned, er pecked...whatever...


Dmitry Medvedev -

On the New Year’s Eve, everybody’s into making predictions

Many come up with futuristic hypotheses, as if competing to single out the wildest, and even the most absurd ones.

Here’s our humble contribution.

What can happen in 2023:


1. Oil price will rise to $150 a barrel, and gas price will top $5.000 per 1.000 cubic meters

2.  The UK will rejoin the EU

3.  The EU will collapse after the UK’s return; Euro will drop out of use as the former EU currency

4.  Poland and Hungary will occupy western regions of the formerly existing Ukraine

5.  The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

6.  War will break out between France and the Fourth Reich. Europe will be divided, Poland repartitioned in the process

7.  Northern Ireland will separate from the UK and join the Republic of Ireland

8.  Civil war will break out in the US, California. and Texas becoming independent states as a result. Texas and Mexico will form an allied state. Elon Musk’ll win the presidential election in a number of states which, after the new Civil War’s end, will have been given to the GOP

9.  All the largest stock markets and financial activity will leave the US and Europe and move to Asia

10.  The Bretton Woods system of monetary management will collapse, leading to the IMF and World Bank crash. Euro and Dollar will stop circulating as the global reserve currencies. Digital fiat currencies will be actively used instead

 "Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dollars-collapse-musk-us-president-russias-medvedev-makes-absurd-2023-predictions

 

I think Musk is right, let's remind him next year what his score is.  I see it can be no better than 3/10...with #'s 1, 9 & 10 leading.  #1 is easy.  #9 & 10 are linked and a bit harder and less likely given all that has to happen before that...so I expect Medvedev to only get one right.  The rest is booze-induced fancy...anybody taking that stuff seriously probably has other issues going on...

Funny how he left global nuclear annihilation off the list...seems a rather significant omission IMO...and a possible point loss as I see that outcome the second most likely event...

[patentlymn]

I have to believe Dmitry was knocking back the Stoli quite heavily when this was penned, er pecked...whatever...
...

Yes. He must be on a bender.

[Libertas]

The Clinton sh*t-show in Kosovo is starting to heat up again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-puts-troops-full-combat-readiness-main-kosovo-border-crossing-shut

...I find it fascinating that the Serbs are admitting to coordinating activities of Serbs in Kosovo...do they not realize that this is the exact flip of the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective where it is always the Ukrainians stirring up the trouble?  When Russia/Russia allies hold a Ukrainian (often described as a Nazi of course) of terrorism there not supposed to be any questioning of it...think this Serb arrested in Kosovo will get that wide latitude as well?

I like the interplay on this one...

Naturally, to me the biggest parallels they have with each other is that neither should have American involvement in an all-European affair (but what has been violated before in Kosovo and has been violated in Ukraine will no doubt result in repeat stupidity) and reinforces my belief that in both cases if ethnic people GTFO of each others territories and given up these ridiculous enclaves and reconquista efforts spawned by original invader sins...none of this sh*t would be going on.

As a result...just another front to open up and push the world over the brink and I am having a real hard time giving a fracking crap...

And, on a related side note...it is scary how much Putin's circle has in common with DemoCommies here...

Sausage multi-millionaire Pavel Antov, Russia’s “highest-earning elected politician,” was recently in India celebrating his 66th birthday when he reportedly fell to his death from a hotel window.

(I hate it when that happens.)

In totally unrelated news, Antov had recently criticized Putin’s actions in Ukraine, characterizing air strikes on Kyiv as “terror.”

Oddly, Antov perished shortly thereafter and just two days after a close friend of his unexpectedly died “from a heart attack.”

Antov had highlighted a Russian missile strike, saying:

A girl has been pulled out from under the rubble, the girl's father appears to have died. The mother is trying to be pulled out with a crane - she is trapped under a slab. To tell the truth, it is extremely difficult to call this anything other than terror.

This led Antov to come under intense pressure… after which he withdrew the comment and issued a sniveling apology, claiming his social media post had been “an unfortunate misunderstanding” and a “technical error.”

Alexei Idamkin, the Russian Consul General in Kolkata, told TASS that Antov “fell” out of a hotel window in Rayagada, Odisha state.

This means Antov joins the expansive ranks of Russian doctors who, in recent years, have also inexplicably met their tragic demise falling out of hospital windows.

[ZH: And follows the death of Ravil Maganov, the vice president and chair of the board of directors of Russian oil giant Lukoil, who died in September after falling out of a sixth floor hospital window in Moscow... who was the latest in a string of unexplained or untimely deaths of Russian magnates connected to the energy industry in the last months.]
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-critic-falls-out-window-dies

Here we have terms like "Arkancide"...I reckon in Russia since they embrace melancholy and fate at breakfast have something appropriately dour like "In Russia you cannot find suicide, in Russia suicide finds you"...

[patentlymn]

Russia is hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine now. Mostly electrical related. The MSM reports this as bad but almost never mentions that that is the first thing the US has done in recent wars.  Russia is not intentionally hitting purely civilian residential areas yet  but that is what is what Ukraine has been doing for 8 years in the Donbass. There are countless videos on this but not on the MSM. The amount of western censorship is incredible.

The west cannot allow MSM reporters in Russian controlled areas on Ukraine because they might report and even talk to people. Why do you think CNN has no reporters in Russian controlled areas? They are welcome. Back when I watched too much video I watched maybe 100 videos from mostly civilians in Russian controlled areas on telegram. I stopped as they became repetitive.  There was a recent French MSM reported reporting from kherson and she said and showed the wrong thing and her video feed was killed instantly. It was funny to some? "Oh no, we lost her feed."

I understand the motivation for japan and Germany in WWII to invade other countries. Lots of resources and slave labor.  Kiev was set to invade the Donbass around Mar 2022. What do they want? To stop the people there from speaking and using Russian in business and schools as they had been for over a hundred years. I think they also wanted to elect their own governors and local officials.  Early polls said that these people wanted some autonomy but did not want to leave Ukraine. Russia earlier before Feb 2022 refused to recognize them as separate countries.

Attacking the Donbass and screwing with Russians does not put food on the table or make you money. It is a huge money loser. I read in wikipedia that Kharkov was founded by Russians way back. BUT that reference has since been re-written.  Catherine the great founded Odessa around 1794. People on that land have been speaking Russian for a long time. Zelensky spoke piss poor Ukrainian when elected. Prior to 2014 being able to use Russian was the status quo in those areas. People in Kiev gain nothing by screwing over Russians. Unlike taking over oil fields or tin mines or coal fields or rubber plantations in WWII.

According to linguist George Shevelov, in the early 1920s the share of secondary schools teaching in the Ukrainian language was lower than the share of the Kharkiv Oblasts ethnic Ukrainian population,[28] even though the Soviet Union had ordered that all schools in the Ukrainian SSR should be Ukrainian speaking (as part of its Ukrainization policy).[29]

I was reminded of this when learning that 21 of 21 Russian republics have at least one official language in addition to Russian which is taught in public schools. Eli from Russia, a video blogger, grew up in Perm speaking Russian and Tartar.
Kiev gains nothing with their anti Russian pogroms. The US gets to use Ukrainian bodies to weaken Russia. The US does not even pretend to benefit Ukrainians.

[patentlymn]

https://youtu.be/JKZzaUPnefI
 
 Visiting the Chechen wedding | Code of honor, traditions and life of the Chechens
Eli from Russia

The Chechen Republic of Russia is very different from the rest of the country. The traditions at the Chechen wedding were shocking!

Comment, if you've also been to an extraordinary wedding. What was unusual about it?

Time codes:
0:00 Let's get to know Chechens better!
1:33 Cultural shock from local driving
2:52 Chechnya feels like another country
4:28 Code of honor
5:19 Dates ONLY in the presence of relatives
5:53 Girls are untouchable
8:38 No eye contact on dates
10:55 Chechen wedding. Everything is different!
14:53 There is NO groom at the wedding
16:18 About wedding traditions
19:25 Chechens are kind and hospitable

[Libertas]

Russia is hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine now. Mostly electrical related. The MSM reports this as bad but almost never mentions that that is the first thing the US has done in recent wars.  Russia is not intentionally hitting purely civilian residential areas yet  but that is what is what Ukraine has been doing for 8 years in the Donbass. There are countless videos on this but not on the MSM. The amount of western censorship is incredible.

The west cannot allow MSM reporters in Russian controlled areas on Ukraine because they might report and even talk to people. Why do you think CNN has no reporters in Russian controlled areas? They are welcome. Back when I watched too much video I watched maybe 100 videos from mostly civilians in Russian controlled areas on telegram. I stopped as they became repetitive.  There was a recent French MSM reported reporting from kherson and she said and showed the wrong thing and her video feed was killed instantly. It was funny to some? "Oh no, we lost her feed."

I understand the motivation for japan and Germany in WWII to invade other countries. Lots of resources and slave labor.  Kiev was set to invade the Donbass around Mar 2022. What do they want? To stop the people there from speaking and using Russian in business and schools as they had been for over a hundred years. I think they also wanted to elect their own governors and local officials.  Early polls said that these people wanted some autonomy but did not want to leave Ukraine. Russia earlier before Feb 2022 refused to recognize them as separate countries.

Attacking the Donbass and screwing with Russians does not put food on the table or make you money. It is a huge money loser. I read in wikipedia that Kharkov was founded by Russians way back. BUT that reference has since been re-written.  Catherine the great founded Odessa around 1794. People on that land have been speaking Russian for a long time. Zelensky spoke piss poor Ukrainian when elected. Prior to 2014 being able to use Russian was the status quo in those areas. People in Kiev gain nothing by screwing over Russians. Unlike taking over oil fields or tin mines or coal fields or rubber plantations in WWII.

According to linguist George Shevelov, in the early 1920s the share of secondary schools teaching in the Ukrainian language was lower than the share of the Kharkiv Oblasts ethnic Ukrainian population,[28] even though the Soviet Union had ordered that all schools in the Ukrainian SSR should be Ukrainian speaking (as part of its Ukrainization policy).[29]

I was reminded of this when learning that 21 of 21 Russian republics have at least one official language in addition to Russian which is taught in public schools. Eli from Russia, a video blogger, grew up in Perm speaking Russian and Tartar.
Kiev gains nothing with their anti Russian pogroms. The US gets to use Ukrainian bodies to weaken Russia. The US does not even pretend to benefit Ukrainians.

 

Not founded, invaded...but then again no displaced peoples have ever been given much space in the history books of conquerors or their vassals!  Might always makes right.

 

And pogroms are swell, if you are on the delivering end...not so much fun on the receiving end...and I find it hilarious when the wheel turns and people act surprised...

It is myopic idiocy that ensures it will always keep turning...and I see nothing arresting the motion.

[Libertas]

HIMARS make a dent in Donbas...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/huge-death-toll-after-us-supplied-himars-leveled-russian-barracks-donetsk-possibly

Huge?  Not as huge as the downed MH17 airliner by the Pro-Russian Chernukhin separatists in Luhansk Oblast confirmed by intercepted communications.

But, whatever...it's sure to arouse reprisals.  Such is war.

In a somewhat related note - https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.msg200370.html#msg200370

Potential kinetic spots keep increasing...

[patentlymn]

I just remembered something. Former ambassdor Burns went to a meeting maybe with Lavrov. It was supposed to be secret but someone in DC trying to undermine any such meeting leaked the meeting along with some details.

[Libertas]

I think that was like a long time ago...want to say Spring...

[patentlymn]

There was some meeting in Istanbul in spring. This was recent. Maybe a couple weeks ago.

[Libertas]

Oh, probably the same rehash of Spring then...I know there was a "leak" of behind the scenes discussions back then...maybe a different person...the imbecile...Blinken and miss it, perhaps...

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/101st-airborne-still-deployed-romania-simulating-war-russia

Newsflash - Assets (and this is not the only one along the new front) are not usually deployed without an intent to use them in a defensive or offensive should the need arise...

If anybody on either side of this wanted to deescalate...well, nobody is doing that or seeing that so never mind...

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-patriarch-kirill-calls-both-sides-implement-truce-orthodox-christmas

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-russian-new-mobilization-process-major-offensive-imminent

More war and nothing but.