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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1420 on: March 26, 2023, 01:49:01 PM »
Two US ex military (?) go to Ukr on vacation. Stay there and run a fundraising scam. Take the money for Ukr soldiers and keep it. $3M. Only govts are allowed to do this!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1421 on: March 27, 2023, 08:26:24 AM »
Well...with the examples being set by this corrupt regime from top to bottom...these assholes fit right in.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1422 on: March 27, 2023, 08:34:39 AM »
More diplomatic pissing contests....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-expel-30-russian-diplomats-berlin-spying-fears-ratchet

Tactical nukes in Belarus...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-urges-emergency-un-security-meeting-over-putin-plan-put-nukes-belarus

...but if there are already aircraft capable of delivering some of them...then I would think those are already there.

It's likely more of the same and other delivery methods are scheduled for insertion into Belarus.

Future looks bright...like vaporizingly bright.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1423 on: March 30, 2023, 10:59:59 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-arrests-wsj-reporter-suspicion-espionage

A spy?  I doubt it, looks about as sneaky and clever as Opie...

A mouthpiece for DeepState, sure...I'll buy that...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1424 on: March 30, 2023, 08:22:01 PM »

https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1224urm/jimmy_carters_nsa_advisor_brzezinski_predicted_a/
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1425 on: March 31, 2023, 08:32:55 AM »
Well, he and his dipsh*t boss projected weakness from the get-go and let a bunch of radical students whom the brainiacs at CIA underrated overthrow the country and turn it into the 7th century savage nation of Mahdi Death Cultists on the precipice of initiating nuclear war in the Middle East with not insignificant credit going to Russia et al for helping make it possible.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1426 on: April 03, 2023, 10:04:23 AM »
Stahl is one dumb puppet...

"Russia would be on Poland's border"?

Seen any map in the last several decades, moron?

https://rumble.com/v2fypp6-mtg-dropkicks-60-minutes-hack-lesley-stahls-war-machine-mockingbird-talking.html

Should have said "I realize now trying to talk sense with the mentally-impaired is a futile act, I'm sorry for your affliction, but I will do whatever is in my power to do what is right for the American people and I apologize for wasting both of our time".

Meanwhile...back in-country...Vlad's Nazi's claim Bakhmut though fighting still goes on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wagner-raises-russian-flag-center-bakhmut-fighting-rages

And it sounds like all the tanks and stuff will be in-play around late April/early May...and coincide with Russia's Spring offensive plans...unless they jump earlier...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1427 on: April 04, 2023, 08:23:04 AM »
Good Lord...have the spooks at Langley descended into Three Stooges incompetence!!!!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dont-talk-about-nord-stream-details-wapo-report-upend-official-narrative

And their favorite MFM lapdog looks like an abused puppy!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1428 on: April 04, 2023, 11:50:20 AM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/putin-threatens-to-eliminate-us-world-dominance-accuses-the-us-and-its-allies-of-unleashing-a-new-type-of-hybrid-war/

He continues to consistently convey the undeniable underpinnings of the tortured Russian psyche as directly and elegantly as ever.

Cliff Notes summary - 99.9% we will not yield a millimeter! & 0.1% we are ready for dialogue and cooperation.

Heh!

Practical effect on the conflict?  Zero.

If anything breaks the satalemate it will have to be European in origin...

Which means the Euro governments are much more in the overt/covert crosshairs of the Rus than America is...the latter being destroyed from within by Marxist/Globalist trash requiring the Rus to do nothing but watch and snicker.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1429 on: April 04, 2023, 12:53:19 PM »
 I kept hearing Kiev say there will be  a spring offensive. I have heard sources I respect say there will be some sort of major counter attack. We shall see.

The way I see it Kiev cannot be seen to be losing as that will decrease funds and arms shipments. Losing ground is seen as losing so they hold onto ground no matter the cost. If they lose 10K in a battle they do not have to disclose that so that is not losing. Ray McGovern said CIA mentor told him if you want to know what USSR is up to just listen because they are telling you. Russia says a goal is to de-militarize Ukraine. IMO that is what they doing by killing lots of Kiev soldiers.

IMO if there is a counter attack RU may well cede ground in a hurry to preserve men as they are not under the same political constraints as Kiev. They have done that in this war.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1430 on: April 06, 2023, 11:30:48 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-pledges-active-peace-role-after-macron-urges-him-bring-russia-its-senses

If the Unholy Macron believes that BS...he is far dumber than he already looks...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1431 on: April 06, 2023, 09:21:58 PM »
Yeah. The smart money is not on westerners telling Xi what to do right now.
Now, leaders of Germany, France, and Ukraine present at the Minsk meetings have all said that they never had any intentions of implementing Minsk, as they were just negotiations to buy time to arm up the Ukraine military. So the likelihood of Putin falling for negotiations a third time is very low.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1432 on: April 06, 2023, 10:34:20 PM »
I never much looked into the ethnic history of various regions of modern Ukraine.I had some high level ideas. Recently there was this ICC set of charges brought against Putin for 'kidnapping Ukrainian children'.  Someone here, maybe Libertas wrote about Russians invading or squatting in Ukraine. I see ethnic Ukrainians moving to Russian cities for economic opportunities.

Here is what I found recently.Mykolaiv is a city on a river that feeds into the Dnipro and is west of Kherson city.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykolaiv
Ethnicity    1897[39]    1926[40]    1939[41]    1959[42]    1989[43]    2001[43]    2017[44]
Ukrainians    8.5%    29.9%    49.7%    59.7%    63.2%    72.6%    84%
Russians    66.3%    44.6%    31.0%    30.3%    31.2%    22.6%    12%
As of 2017, 63% of the population spoke Russian at home, 7% Ukrainian, and 28% spoke both Ukrainian and Russian equally.[44]

Kherson city
The city was founded by decree of Catherine the Great on 18 June 1778 on the high bank of the Dnieper as a central fortress of the Black Sea Fleet after the Russian annexation of the territory in 1774. The city was established in place of the Russian-built fort or sconce "Saint Alexander" which existed at least since 1737 and also served as one of administrative centers of the Zaporizhian Sich and run by local Cossacks. The fort was built during the Russo-Turkish War and improved some 30 years later.

In 1897 the population of the city was 59,076 of which, on the basis of their first language, almost half were recorded as Great Russian, 30% as Jewish, and 20% Ukrainian.[8]

Ethnicity

As of Ukrainian National Census in 2001, the ethnic groups living within Kherson included:

    Ukrainians – 76.6%
    Russians – 20.0%
    Other – 3.4%

Languages
Languages    1897[72]    2001[73]
Ukrainian    19.6%    53.4%
Russian    47.2%    45.3%
Yiddish    29.1%    


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv
Kharkiv was founded in 1654 as a fortress, and grew to become a major centre of industry, trade, and Ukrainian culture in the Russian Empire. At the beginning of the 20th century, the city was predominantly Russian in population, but as industrial expansion drew in further labor from the distressed countryside, and as the Soviet Union moderated previous restrictions on Ukrainian cultural expression, Ukrainians became the largest ethnic group in the city by the eve of World War II. From December 1919 to January 1934, Kharkiv was the first capital of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

Ethnicity
Ethnic group    1897[40]    1926    1939    1959[41]    1989[136]    2001[139][140][dubious – discuss]
Ukrainians    25.9%    38.6%    48.5%    48.4%    50.4%    62.8%
Russians    63.2%    37.2%    32.9%    40.4%    43.6%    33.2%
Jews    5.7%    19.5%    15.6%    8.7%    3.0%    0.7
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1433 on: April 07, 2023, 08:43:15 AM »
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1434 on: April 07, 2023, 12:44:14 PM »
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/nato-intel-leak-or-disinformation/

Whatever...

But, probably indicates a Rus offensive would be optimal following Orthodox Easter...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1435 on: April 07, 2023, 03:29:30 PM »
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

Yup. For those cities. I have no idea what the current stats are for those cities.
In cities like Bakhmut I would hope the civilians have all fled. There are always some stubborn old coots who refuse to leave. Ask me how I know about such people.

In a couple places being fought over in recent months, some Kiev soldiers complain that 80% of the locals want the Russians to win and rat the Kiev forces out. So there is that.

No disrespect to the poster, but why were people butt hurt about the leaked military doc? Was there something new?

Also, this is nothing different. This shows why the the US MSM does not allow any reporters in Russian controlled areas. There are independents like the US expat, reporting since around 2008? . Al Jazzera, some non western outlets, but no western MSM. Like the iron curtain in reverse.

Here, is a very new video from Donetsk city central market, during a crowded time of day. Hit by some Czech variants of grad rockets call vampires. Typical target for 9 years now. When I used to view telegram too much I would find video clips of Kiev troops explaining why they did this. To drove the subhuman Russians off our sacred land.

https://youtu.be/WJqchJMW9Ok
 Czech Rockets Injure 16 and kill at least one civilian in Donetsk
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Today Ukraine opened fire on center Donetsk with 10 ,Purportedly,  Czech supplied "RM-70 Vampire" rockets.
Please watch full report so you understand what the people of Donetsk are living through.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1436 on: April 07, 2023, 06:48:43 PM »
Maybe this explains some of the butt hurt. 100 documents!?
https://t.me/c/1670195924/908
🇺🇸New Batch of Classified Documents Appear on Social Media Sites - New York Times


Secret documents that appear to detail American national security secrets on Ukraine, the Middle East and China have surfaced online.

A new batch of classified documents that appear to detail American national security secrets from Ukraine to the Middle East to China surfaced on social media sites on Friday, alarming the Pentagon and adding turmoil to a situation that seemed to have caught the Biden administration off guard.The scale of the leak — analysts say more than 100 documents may have been obtained — along with the sensitivity of the documents themselves, could be hugely damaging, officials said. A senior intelligence officials called the leak “a nightmare for the Five Eyes,” in a reference to the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the so-called Five Eyes nations that broadly share intelligence.The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites on Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an assessment of Ukraine’s air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official, said the leak of the classified documents represents “a significant breach in security” that could hinder Ukrainian military planning. “As many of these were pictures of documents, it appears that it was a deliberate leak done by someone that wished to damage the Ukraine, U.S., and NATO efforts,” he said.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1437 on: April 10, 2023, 08:14:03 AM »
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

Yup. For those cities. I have no idea what the current stats are for those cities.
In cities like Bakhmut I would hope the civilians have all fled. There are always some stubborn old coots who refuse to leave. Ask me how I know about such people.

In a couple places being fought over in recent months, some Kiev soldiers complain that 80% of the locals want the Russians to win and rat the Kiev forces out. So there is that.

No disrespect to the poster, but why were people butt hurt about the leaked military doc? Was there something new?

Also, this is nothing different. This shows why the the US MSM does not allow any reporters in Russian controlled areas. There are independents like the US expat, reporting since around 2008? . Al Jazzera, some non western outlets, but no western MSM. Like the iron curtain in reverse.

Here, is a very new video from Donetsk city central market, during a crowded time of day. Hit by some Czech variants of grad rockets call vampires. Typical target for 9 years now. When I used to view telegram too much I would find video clips of Kiev troops explaining why they did this. To drove the subhuman Russians off our sacred land.

https://youtu.be/WJqchJMW9Ok
 Czech Rockets Injure 16 and kill at least one civilian in Donetsk
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Today Ukraine opened fire on center Donetsk with 10 ,Purportedly,  Czech supplied "RM-70 Vampire" rockets.
Please watch full report so you understand what the people of Donetsk are living through.

Sacred Land...heh!  This land in my land, this land ain't your land...la la la...  (snort!)
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1438 on: April 10, 2023, 08:20:11 AM »
Maybe this explains some of the butt hurt. 100 documents!?
https://t.me/c/1670195924/908
🇺🇸New Batch of Classified Documents Appear on Social Media Sites - New York Times


Secret documents that appear to detail American national security secrets on Ukraine, the Middle East and China have surfaced online.

A new batch of classified documents that appear to detail American national security secrets from Ukraine to the Middle East to China surfaced on social media sites on Friday, alarming the Pentagon and adding turmoil to a situation that seemed to have caught the Biden administration off guard.The scale of the leak — analysts say more than 100 documents may have been obtained — along with the sensitivity of the documents themselves, could be hugely damaging, officials said. A senior intelligence officials called the leak “a nightmare for the Five Eyes,” in a reference to the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the so-called Five Eyes nations that broadly share intelligence.The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites on Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an assessment of Ukraine’s air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official, said the leak of the classified documents represents “a significant breach in security” that could hinder Ukrainian military planning. “As many of these were pictures of documents, it appears that it was a deliberate leak done by someone that wished to damage the Ukraine, U.S., and NATO efforts,” he said.

Yeah...been letting this one simmer myself...still haven't made up my mind as yet...

These are photos of docs...so not sure if that means easier to fabricate or a rushed effort to capture and release the data...the former is nefarious and the latter suspicious...and this is the Old Gray Whore reporting this, and they take their marching orders from DOJ/Amerikan KGB...

I need to do some more digging/thinking on this before I can determine if it is legit or some sort of inter-DeepState competition...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1439 on: April 10, 2023, 12:57:17 PM »
OK, I got a problem with this legit-but-some-data-altered crap in the linked video!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/04/09/sunday-talks-intel-commitee-member-rep-brad-wenstrup-discusses-recent-classified-information-leaks/

Could be disnfo, could be Russians! ?!?!?!

Russia, Russia, Russia!!!  Yeah, stick that crap up your ass!  Makes me think this BS was floated by the Red China/Ukraine-owned muppet as yet another distraction to gin up more Russia Hoax BS, wouldn't be surprised if some startling new Russian-controlled "asset" gets patsied by these Fedsurrectionist bastards!  They just keep recycling debunked lies!

And, Sundance appears to agree...he makes mention of the use of IC-controlled socialist media as a cut-out to spread IC desired narratives...what we sane people would call legit disinformation - ie-our DeepState government bureaucrats are LYING to is citizens for its own craven purposes!

And maybe distracting the Hollande admission is the purpose.  I think there is more to it than that, they always have a link to the next phase of chicanery...these totalitarians are not done f**king around!
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