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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1520 on: May 26, 2023, 04:58:09 PM »

The US used to have diplomats. So did Canada. Now mostly impudent children with big mouths. I could not believe it when Biden went out of his way to insult the Saudi crown prince and Putin. JFK would never have acted that way during the Cuban missile crisis. He didn't love commies but was smart enough to bite his tongue.  The Biden admin has really pissed off the Chinese with their inconsistent erratic behavior.  Xi has said there is no point in talking to the US officials.

BTW the Russians kept control of any nukes in Cuba. I recall Castro wanted to nuke the US which horrified the Russians who thought he was crazy.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1521 on: May 26, 2023, 07:21:12 PM »
I had some analysts on in background. They went through past MSM stories on Bakhmut, quoting how important, significant, strategic it was. Then they went though current headlines. Not important, insignificant, no strategic value. ha!

IMO Bakhmut was like Verdun. It sucked in Kiev forces to be killed.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1522 on: May 27, 2023, 03:02:34 PM »


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1523 on: May 30, 2023, 09:51:06 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-drone-attack-damages-several-buildings-moscow

Only one clip of one shot down?  Maybe not concerned about the damage they do?  But not shy about calling them "terrorist attacks"...

Boy Who Cried Wolf...

War...duh.

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1524 on: May 30, 2023, 02:53:34 PM »

At 21 - 29 min. Kosovo region of Serbia overall has lots of ethnic Albanians but some Serb majority areas. There is a NATO peacekeeping/occupying force there. When fighting stopped there was an agreement to formalize some future governing laws kinda like the Ukr Minsk agreements that were also never implemented. The  capital is Pristina. The Pristina authorities changed some election laws, against the advice of EU/US. Serbs boycotted, 3% turnout, ethnic Albanians won some mayor races in Serb majority areas and tried to take office. Riots, NATO forces shot people, some NATO forces hurt also.

At 31 min,, EU implemented some online  act, to censor online speech. Twitter said no and will withdraw.
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2023-05-26/eu-official-says-twitter-abandons-blocs-code-of-practice-on-disinformation

https://youtu.be/rQbDlwRaFdw?t=1264
 
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US SOS Blinken told Pristina govt to knock it off and not stir things up. They did so anyway. Now the US blames the Serbs.


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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1525 on: May 30, 2023, 03:26:53 PM »

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At least two dozen NATO peacekeeping troops have been injured while defending three government buildings from rioting Serbian protesters in northern Kosovo. In the town of Zvecan, police and troops were forced to deploy pepper spray to control crowds after they broke through a security perimeter. Some Serbian protesters retaliated by throwing teargas and stun grenades, while others used spray paint to emblazon the letter "Z", a Russian propaganda symbol, on NATO vehicles.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1526 on: June 01, 2023, 08:16:15 AM »
Eff that whole area, Euro problem, not ours...let them all kill each other...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1527 on: June 01, 2023, 11:09:19 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks

Wouldn't work anyway...

DOA

Looks like corruption here and in Ukraine is working its way back along the Southern border...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas

...time for an angry letter from Congress?

 ::unknowncomic::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade

...that looks rather knee-jerk.  That fragile ego strikes again...  Get over yourselves already!

Anyway...they oppress you "minorities", you oppress their "minorities"...

Really, don't care...keep us out of it, let them settle it, and let the Euroidiots intervene if they're that stupid...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1528 on: June 02, 2023, 08:46:11 AM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/berlin-orders-moscow-close-4-5-consulates-germany

Growing animosity between Germany and Russia has never been a problem...

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1529 on: June 02, 2023, 12:45:32 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks

Wouldn't work anyway...

DOA

Looks like corruption here and in Ukraine is working its way back along the Southern border...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas

...time for an angry letter from Congress?

 ::unknowncomic::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade

...that looks rather knee-jerk.  That fragile ego strikes again...  Get over yourselves already!

Anyway...they oppress you "minorities", you oppress their "minorities"...

Really, don't care...keep us out of it, let them settle it, and let the Euroidiots intervene if they're that stupid...

 ::mooning::

I would be surprised in the US was NOT interfering in Serbian politics. US gets all butt hurt when RU buys $5K of facebook ads. US govt was upset that Georgia might pass a law requiring NGOs getting a certain percent of funding for foreign sources to disclose them. That is because the US is funding them. It is becoming more transparent.

I never dug deep into the Serbian thing years ago.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1530 on: June 04, 2023, 01:37:32 PM »
Zelensky offered to send troops into Transnistria, but only with the permission of Moldova.  He said "As for what to do with those who are on the territory, with the troops? Well if they want to live they will go."

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1665092787652661248

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1664999710963163136

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1531 on: June 04, 2023, 02:19:26 PM »

I learned how complicated some regions are in reading Balkan Ghosts. A good book.
Here is another example. Mr. Bald visits Sokh. I think they speak and are educated in Tajik. Likely other languages also. Wiki says males seasonally migrate out for work. This is one of my favorite videos. I wish he would go back to the former Soviet countries. He got kicked out of Russia for his big mouth. Also Ukraine I think.

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Earlier this year myself and Alina tried entering an Uzbek exclave surrounded entirely by Kyrgyzstan. If you saw the video you will know that we were not allowed in. But we don't give up that easy...And so when we discovered that there was a new flight route started up from Uzbekistan to the unknown exclave of Sokh we decided we would have to investigate and try to get in somehow to see what lay there beyond the mountains. Oh and it just happened to mean flying on an old Soviet bi-plane. How could anyone resists such an adventure?!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1532 on: June 05, 2023, 10:32:24 PM »

I recall that one reason given for the Russians withdrawing from Kherson on the west bank of this river was that it was lower than the east bank, hard to defend, had their backs to the water, and if Kiev blew the damn upstream they would be flooded.

The telegram link below and the later ones give details including predictions made before.
https://t.me/intelslava/48432
It has been confirmed that the Nova Kakhovka dam in Kherson Oblast has been blown up...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1533 on: June 06, 2023, 08:29:12 AM »

I recall that one reason given for the Russians withdrawing from Kherson on the west bank of this river was that it was lower than the east bank, hard to defend, had their backs to the water, and if Kiev blew the damn upstream they would be flooded.

The telegram link below and the later ones give details including predictions made before.
https://t.me/intelslava/48432
It has been confirmed that the Nova Kakhovka dam in Kherson Oblast has been blown up...

It's in Russian controlled area...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-wall-water-surges-through-ukraine-after-major-dam-blown

...yet both are blaming he other. 

So, is Ukrainian strength better than Russia is willing to admit or is Russian incompetence greater than anybody knows?



Somebody has some critical map changes to get done.

If the Rus are right their "control" of this area isn't worth a damn.   ::hysterical::

Hey?  How's that "control" thing down there at that one-of-the-largest-nuke-plants-in-Europe?

 ::)

Also, aren't people getting the news right out of the Rus MoD?  The war is over!  The mighty Rus Army defeated the great Ukrainian offensive in mere "hours".  The war is over!  Everyone can go home now and chill the eff out!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-put-down-major-ukrainian-offensive-hours-after-it-began

 ::whoohoo::

https://youtu.be/1_MCz2a0x0s

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ETA - Nice to see one touted "expert" who has "been proven right in the past" is speaking to the nuclear issue honestly -

Mearsheimer believes that if the Russians are losing the war, the likelihood of nuclear use to rescue the situation is high. (The war is existential for the Russians.) But as it stands now, the odds of nuclear use are very low because the Russians are winning.

https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1665589545180741632
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1534 on: June 06, 2023, 01:20:38 PM »
Someone said that the sluice gates were hit. Someone else said that the equivalent of valves were hit.  I recall in the past Kiev was attacking the dam. I also recall someone saying that it would be real hard to harm the concrete but that some gates would be easier to damage. I imagine there must be locks since the river is used for navigation.

Some not so reliable source said that Iran was going to use IEDs/shaped charges against US troops in Syria with Russian help. My first thought was that Iran does not need any help in that area. Also, I know US and Russia have de-confliction hotlines for Syria to avoid direct conflict. 

Then I thought maybe Russia would have its own war by proxy. US weapons are used to kill Russians so what if Russian weapons are used to kill Americans?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1535 on: June 06, 2023, 01:43:43 PM »

https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/1208

Unconfirmed reports indicate that one of the gateways of the Novaya Kakhovka Hydroelectic Station has been hit and destroyed, prompting a cascade destruction of the rest of the dam. No confirmed reports have been obtained at this time.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1536 on: June 07, 2023, 07:52:50 AM »
The conflicting reports and finger-pointing seem to reinforce my question as to how much control Russia has in Russian-controlled areas...

Russians are overstating their ability to control any area (the nuke plant was supposedly under their control too) or their control isn't what normally is associated with the word control...maybe in Russia "control" doesn't mean secure, it merely means they got some people there claiming it is theirs...

Either way, happened on their watch...they can blame whoever and some people may go along with that and it may even be true...but it happened on their watch...if they were not there at all they would be totally blameless...other than that...

But on latter day Earth nobody on the planet takes accountability for anything unless it makes them look good...

Which only perpetuates finger-pointing, polarization and conflict...

It's kinda hard giving an eff about any of these clowns in this sh*tshow...

ETA - Tucker, first half on the dam -

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19498.new.html#new

Moscow, we have "control" issues...

Appears Ukraine is much more effective non-conventional force than Russia admits...knowing that, why are the stupid NATO nations providing any conventional weapons (unless solely for defense purposes of their "held" territory) when the unconventional is (and has historically been) more effective in fighting Russians?

Of course, money and corruption and kickbacks and all that!

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1537 on: June 07, 2023, 12:40:09 PM »



Got this below material from some post on reddit but no source was given.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/142m1ek/comment/jn98nce/?context=3


July 8, 2022 Ukrainian troops launched a missile attack on the hydroelectric power station

July 18, 2022 As a result of the strike on the hydroelectric power station, the control room of the shipping lock was damaged. Rocket fragments broke the main gas pipeline, in connection with which half of the right bank of the Kherson region was left without gas.

On July 23, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired seven shells at the area of the Kakhovskaya HPP, which was damaged,

July 24, 2022 HPP fired from HIMARS, infrastructure was damaged

August 12, 2022 New shelling

On September 10, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on Novaya Kakhovka and the hydroelectric power station from HIMARS. Got no hits

October 18, 2022 “The enemy purposefully strikes at infrastructure facilities and residential buildings in Kherson. Hits from HIMARS rockets damaged the Antonovsky bridge and the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

On October 21, 2022, Russia circulated a letter in the UN Security Council in which it called for preventing Ukraine's provocation at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station. “The Armed Forces of Ukraine have been shelling the city of Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region for five months. Up to 120 missiles arrive per day,” the statement said.

On October 24, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on the civilian infrastructure of Nova Kakhovka with 19 HIMARS and Alder missiles. Part of the missiles were shot down, three hit the hydroelectric power station

November 6, 2022 Ukrainian troops fired six HIMARS missiles at the HPP. Five rockets were shot down, one hit the lock of the dam, which was damaged, said a representative of the emergency services of the Kherson region.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #1538 on: June 08, 2023, 08:08:57 AM »
Proves Russian "control" of an area isn't worth a (snicker) damn...
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« Reply #1539 on: June 08, 2023, 10:14:23 AM »

My impression so far is that there was no recent attack on the dam. Some people say it might have been a turbine explosion. Some military expert was asked and he guessed it was an accident. It does not really help either side and it certainly hurts both sides.

IMO the idea that Russia was afraid of a Kiev offensive and blew the dam is a joke. Kiev has not done much so far. That could change. My impression is that the US was pushing Kiev into the attack under threats to not provide more money and arms.
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