Author Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine (Read 88212 times)

patentlymn · « **Reply #1960 on:** March 03, 2024, 01:59:53 PM »

This discussion is good. The prof seems to tie things together using history including the 30 years war and the Crimean war. This is long but the prof is good.

https://youtu.be/S0pFGl5gkns

The Ukraine War & the Eurasian World Order - Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen

The Ukraine War & the Eurasian World Order Paperback – February 15, 2024

patentlymn · « **Reply #1961 on:** March 03, 2024, 02:52:26 PM »

Found this language map. Unsure of year.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/24354

patentlymn · « **Reply #1962 on:** March 03, 2024, 03:54:47 PM »

Clip from Kharkov. Long ago I watched many videos from Mariupol where the civilians described much worse.
A short clip from Kharkov.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/48797?single
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A long video. Too long. PL interviews people who were rescued from Avdeevka plus some old guy who raised pigeons.
I was shocked that some civilians remained behind. I think the Kiev troops mostly used the massive buildings to fire from, as the residential houses made for poor shelters compared to the industrial buildings of the commie blocks.
I am guessing the shelling was from the Kiev troops as the civilians said. The Kiev troops often hate the locals.

https://youtu.be/l0yZnj36_Xc
Avdiivka Residents Expose Russia's Frontline Battle
Patrick Lancaster

685,777 views Feb 27, 2024 #Ukraine #Russia
I met with Avdeevka / Avdiivka / Avdeyevka Residents / refugees and they exposed many war crimes commited by the Ukraine forces during the battle where Russia captured the city. As these people state, the Ukraine forces used resident as human shields, targeted civilians and even performed mass executions. They all said how they have been waiting for Russian forces to come help them.

Libertas · « **Reply #1963 on:** March 04, 2024, 08:29:15 AM »

Hate in war...human shields...? In many venues that is something to cheer for...

Why is some swell and other? There is no sense to the logic...either all is bad or none is?

Hey, I bet the UN HR outfit can make a consistent call...

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Libertas · « **Reply #1964 on:** March 04, 2024, 08:34:31 AM »

And, as for the aforementioned German problem...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/complete-disaster-german-govt-scholz-promises-probe-very-serious-leaked-recording-plan

...this should be exploited, and no doubt it will be...

patentlymn · « **Reply #1965 on:** March 04, 2024, 03:25:30 PM »

Judge Nap had some good guests on, or maybe the day has lots of news like the German Taurus missiles.
You have to clock on "live" to get the whole segment. 30 min long most times..

Some guy, maybe the Syriana guy said he want to show a clip that had been show on RT. He said he had to blur out the RT logo else the YT algorithm would ban the video or shadow ban it or some such. I did not know that.

https://youtu.be/SdSFDR3G8Bs
Nikki wins DC! Germany blames Putin, Russia hybrid attack. New $66B Ukraine package. SU-34 receipts

https://youtu.be/M-jWZQ72qFo
Ray McGovern: Germany caught off-guard by leak of secret Ukraine war talks

https://youtu.be/iZ4CoCT9ufE
Alastair Crooke: Warning Signs - "Untenable Positions"

https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams

patentlymn · « **Reply #1966 on:** March 04, 2024, 04:27:11 PM »

What irks me (my late mothers word) is the almost total news black out and and propagandized war this is.

Having PL walk around and talk to people in Adveeka was not that good compared to others he has done. IMO if people view the Russians as liberators or conquerors that opinion carries a lot of weight. Some woman on PL said 95 pct of people wanted the Russians to liberate them or some such. There was selection bias as some people fled west and some east but those remaining were waiting for the Russians. Maybe she was referring to an earlier referendum.

If you were to fly to say Mariupol, hire a camera man and translator, then wander around and talk to people you would form a different opinion from what the MSM projects. If you could get your project put on the MSM it would make the Tucker interview look tame. I wish he would do that. There was a reported car bomb attempt on him which is not unusual.

I watched way too many civilian interviews from Mariupol back when.

Also i heard that the NYT got hold of the tentative Mar 2022 agreement and recently summarized it. Donbass remained in Ukr. some autonomy, no NATO, Crimea to be decided later. I recall autonomy meant election (not Kiev selection) of mayors, governors, and police chiefs. Also reversion to earlier language laws where Russian was not illegal and parental choice decided education language for children. EU rules require that BTW if the pop is above 5 pct. Kiev or US/UK preferred war. Maybe 400K Ukr dead and for what?

Libertas · « **Reply #1967 on:** March 05, 2024, 08:30:06 AM »

Well, the DeepState mostly led by the CIA want it, they obviously have dirt/leverage on UniParty trash...whatchya gonna do?

patentlymn · « **Reply #1968 on:** March 05, 2024, 12:03:39 PM »

I have no delusions about Russia or China. They each play to their strengths. IMO Putin and Xi try to do what is best for their countries. I think much of China can be explained by their history and culture. Russia showed that free trade is not all good. They took a lot of work in house so to speak and stood up to sanctions.

I do not think that the US govt is advancing the interests of US citizens. What do we get out of backing Ukraine to fight Russia? IMO the US govt war gamed this out and 'knew' that Russia could be provoked into attacking Ukraine if the US/Ukr did X,Y,Z. Then Russia would be crippled by pre-planned sanctions plus their military was weak. Then regime change in Russia then pick it apart and sell off pieces to corporations. The US made a go of that in the 1990s.

The more I look at the world now it is the US that is being isolated.

The more I hear, the US govt believed the US military was all powerful and still like 1991. Group think took over. The USN can barely handle the Houthis. I hear that the USN kept building carriers due to the internal strong carrier group "union" within USN. I recall that the USN or USAF wanted to limit the range of some air launched missiles early on out of fear that this would reduce the role of carriers and or fighters? My memory is vague.

Some guy said that Ukr was allowed to sell so called franken foods into EU. Maybe he meant GMO or tainted foods. Maybe he was a flake.

patentlymn · « **Reply #1969 on:** March 05, 2024, 12:53:42 PM »

Vicky Nuland is to step down.
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9200
US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland is suddenly resigning having just gone to Kiev to shake her fist at Putin. Supposedly, the Cookie Monster made that decision entirely on her own.

Anthony Blinken couldn't skip such an amazing opportunity to suck up to the wicked witch of the West and stated that "...Victoria's leadership in Ukraine that diplomats and foreign policy scholars will study for years to come. Her efforts were indispensable in resisting Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, in forging a global coalition to ensure his strategic failure, and in helping Ukraine reach the day when it can get back on its feet - democratically, economically and militarily."

Libertas · « **Reply #1970 on:** March 05, 2024, 01:12:23 PM »

Just read about this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/

This is good news, it means the DeepState narrative is collapsing along with the failure on the ground with the war and the erosion of political support at home...they are panicking and this indicates a new re-branding of this existential threat to the DeepState agenda...

Akin to a pilot being left with no other choice in a flaming plane heading towards the onrushing ground...eject, eject!

Let another pilot take a crack at it...

patentlymn · « **Reply #1971 on:** March 05, 2024, 01:40:40 PM »

This is why the MSM does not allow their reporters in Russian or DPR areas. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. I recall some church rector in Mariupol said that when Kiev tanks were withdrawing they put a tank round through the church tower. The given reason was that the church used the wrong liturgy.

This is not the first person from that city to report on this. The Kiev troops really hate the residents of such areas and are not shy about saying so on camera.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/17222
"A resident of liberated Avdiivka told how the Nazis staged provocations, shelling the houses of civilians in the city, and then declared that the attacks were carried out by the DPR.

They did this, according to the man, under the cameras of the Ukrainian media.

We have been talking about this all these years, and now we have a living witness before us and, I am sure, there will be many of them."
https://t.me/RtrDonetsk/23256

patentlymn · « **Reply #1972 on:** March 05, 2024, 03:07:26 PM »

I did not read the NYT piece. This summary may be slanted.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9578

So in this article the NYT admits:
Part one (https://t.me/american_majority/1233) - US was creating an existential strategic threat to Russia in Ukraine.
Part two (https://t.me/american_majority/1234) - Ukranians were killing Russian assets despite US forbidding them, thus provoking Putin into the war.
Part three (https://t.me/american_majority/1235) - Ukraine is using CIA equipment to spy on China, possibly provoking them into a war.
Part four (https://t.me/american_majority/1236) - zero evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia and Deep State's agents in Trump administration ignoring the President of the United States and continuing pushing Ukraine and Russia towards war
Part five (https://t.me/american_majority/1239) - Ukrainian propaganda
Part six (https://t.me/american_majority/1240) - MH17 lies
Part seven (https://t.me/american_majority/1241) - Ukraine is a cargo cult

And, that's finally it! Done with this treasure trove of an article. Took me only eight posts!
Would really appreciate your feedback in the comments!

patentlymn · « **Reply #1973 on:** March 05, 2024, 03:31:14 PM »

Quote from: Libertas on March 05, 2024, 01:12:23 PM

Just read about this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/

This is good news, it means the DeepState narrative is collapsing along with the failure on the ground with the war and the erosion of political support at home...they are panicking and this indicates a new re-branding of this existential threat to the DeepState agenda...

Akin to a pilot being left with no other choice in a flaming plane heading towards the onrushing ground...eject, eject!

Let another pilot take a crack at it...

Some comment I found

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Nope, strong rumours that she's stepped down and essentially retired completely as a very serious FBI investigation has her in the centre of a huge corruption scandal.

The Biden administration is pushing her out to try to distance themselves from her before the story breaks into the open.

Libertas · « **Reply #1974 on:** March 06, 2024, 08:33:29 AM »

I remain skeptical of NYT motivation, as the propaganda arm of the DOJ/FBI it smells more of a intra-DeepState CYA Op to me.

I am also highly skeptical of the Nuland corruption angle without some more credible data to follow, but on its face it dovetails with the above to hang this around State, CIA & naturally the White House by implication. Plus, she knows a lot, perhaps everything...which evokes other thoughts along Epsteinian lines...

As for my first post on this it appears Sundance is thinking along my lines...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/05/tremors-in-the-dark-force-architect-of-the-ukraine-crisis-aka-world-war-reddit-state-dept-executive-producer-victoria-nuland-will-retire-this-month/

...what we have now is the apparent Intra-DeepState battle impact added in.

And now we have another outfit that migrated to a decidedly leftist track over several decades publishing on the infamous BJ torpedoing of the Spring 2022 peace talks -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whyd-wall-street-journal-suddenly-share-terms-spring-2022s-draft-peace-treaty

I don't agree with the optimistic characterization of how close this was to achieving a real or lasting peace...seems a bit bloated to me...but the bottom line is somebody was needed to nix it and for whatever reason(s) BJ did it...and since the Five Eyes is a shared DeepState chennel, well, there ya go. What I am wondering and can only speculate at is if this is perhaps a White House attempt to wiggle free the controversy and keep their Ukraine narrative being existential to us (which it isn't) limping along on life support.

patentlymn · « **Reply #1975 on:** March 06, 2024, 11:56:25 AM »

I do not understand the NYT thing either.

I keep hearing that the Biden admin wants to keep the war going until the elections are over but I do not think that most of the public much caress.

patentlymn · « **Reply #1976 on:** March 06, 2024, 12:09:28 PM »

Snarky comments are calling her Victoria Nudelman. Maybe her original family name? Are they Kazachs way back?

patentlymn · « **Reply #1977 on:** March 06, 2024, 12:11:55 PM »

I heard that Kiev did not prepare any good defensive positions behind adveeka. Russia is advancing but Kev gets in some good licks on occasion. 3 Abrams taken out so far.

patentlymn · « **Reply #1978 on:** March 06, 2024, 12:37:00 PM »

I was mostly asleep for this. He is kinda biased against Russia. He went into Stepan Bandera. Complicated.x

https://youtu.be/qa-wl8_wpZA
Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Lex Fridman

409,028 views Mar 4, 2024 Lex Fridman Podcast
Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:

I heard elsewhere how the NAZI movement took hold in modern Ukr. Most Ukr diaspora were not NAZIs but the NAZIs took over the Ukr diaspora organizations then some returned after USSR. They had an outsized influence in Ukr and things got heated in the 2000s. Further, they networked well inside the Ukr military often underground. An enthusiastic minority can have outsized influence. E.g. 1776 American revolutionaries and 1917 Bolsheviks. IMO NAZI stuff is likely illegal in Poland but not uncommon in Ukr.

I recall the source was on dispatches w rania khalek, He is some prof now in istanbul but taught in lvov for 5 years. Cyril somebody.

patentlymn · « **Reply #1979 on:** March 06, 2024, 12:54:16 PM »

I found the video on Ukr. Long and nuanced. I watched it long ago. This prof taught on Lvov for 5 years.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs

The Origins of Ukraine’s Fascists & Why It Matters, w/ Historian Tarik Cyril Amar
BreakThrough News

648K subscribers
339,279 views Apr 5, 2022 Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.