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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2140 on: April 03, 2024, 11:57:54 AM »
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Did Boris hold a gun to Z's head?  If not history won't judge him very well...  If he did then same outcome...

I think US/UK refused to be security guarantors of any such agreement and said they would not provide more money.
They promised to supply arms and money to defeat Russia. At first UK interference was a rumor. Then more and more people in the loop confirmed it. The Israeli diplomat. Then maybe  Turk. Most recently some Ukr diplomat involved.

It's a shame people think they have to be a rent-seeking whore to any power East or West and shrink at true independence just because it might be difficult...but had they had leadership who were committed to that goal and made a nation that saw the value in being a good business environment for investors from all directions and benefit from the growth that would entail would have secured their independence...

They should have become another Switzerland but instead only saw themselves as dependent whores...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2141 on: April 03, 2024, 03:10:10 PM »
This is the Ukr guy in on the negotiations I mentioned. The mayor is at the end. People who followed this noted that the mayor never mentioned any atrocities in Bucha. Also he or the city said there would be cleansing operations and not to be alarmed. Some civilians had traded dairy for dry goods with RU soldiers so were deemed collaborators and likely shot. This was blamed on RU but the mayor did not mention this on his video. Also some French journalist said he saw  Ukr soldiers arranging the dead civilian bodies along the road for a later photo op.

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💢 Always remember peace was on the table:

🔸 March 29th, 2022: Delegates from Ukraine and Russia negotiated in good faith and reached an interim agreement in Istanbul that was ready to be signed. Russian troops withdraw from Kiev in a gesture of good faith.

🔸 March 30th, 2022: Russian troops also withdraw from Bucha.

🔸 March 31st, 2022: Mayor of Bucha announces town "liberated", makes no mention of atrocities in his address.

🔸 April 1st, 2022: Azov Nazis enter Bucha and begin staging the hoax, killing scores of pro-Russian civilians in a false flag operation.

🔸 April 3rd, 2022: Media blitz begins after the Ministry of Defence of Ukraine publishes video of supposed Russian "atrocities".

🔸 April 9th, 2022: Boris Johnson makes his infamous visit to Kiev to continue senseless fighting "because of Bucha".

Other versions
https://www.herald.co.zw/zelensky-rejected-favourable-peace-deal-with-russia-ex-aide/
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1975okx/ua_pov_arestovich_in_english_says_he_and_the_rest/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hasan_Piker/comments/183jzh7/hasan_vindicated_again_confirmation_boris_johnson/
https://www.reddit.com/r/geopolitics/comments/1an20x2/why_did_boris_johnson_tell_ukraine_not_to_take/
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2142 on: April 03, 2024, 04:23:27 PM »


I trust video bloggers more than govts or MSM and have for many years. There is a guy from Ukraine who blogs under the name Sputnikov and does The Ushanka Show on Youtube. He was born in Ukraine SSR in some village in 1971. His parents were Ukr speaking but with different dialects.  They also spoke Russian and moved to Kiev when he was young. He lives in US MI now.

I had previously heard that very few people in Kiev spoke Ukrainian. It was more rural and had a rural or hillbilly reputation. Also, this push for Ukr nationalism and even speaking Ukrainian as the only language seemed fake and forced. I did not know what to make of this..

He is biased against Putin. He does not approve of the SMO and biased against Russian actions.  All this is fine i just take it into account.

So he did a  video on growing up and languages. He said that in Kiev he hardly every heard Ukrainian spoken. Maybe he meant in public. He had a class in Ukrainian and one in Russian every day. He said that USSR soldier's kids got to skip the local language as they moved a lot. He was jealous of them. They screwed round while he studies Ukrainian.

He would have been 20 when USSR fell part.  He moved to US at some point maybe in his 20s. He said when he returned to Kiev to visit it was like a foreign country with all the signs in Ukrainian. He said he had a hard time helping a relative with science or maybe math because he did not know the strange words in Ukrainian.  They had changed the text books. Elsewhere I learned that they changed the history books every year as they rewrote the history of the ancient Ukr people.

I think that in countries with multiple languages the tech books are written in some language of empire like Russian, Mandarin, English,  whatever.  Bald and Bankrupt learned that in Georgia, older people speak Georgian and Russian. Younger people speak Georgian and English. In remote villages they might add a local language.

Anyway, he is not biased against Ukraine or the language so now I believe what I heard elsewhere.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2143 on: April 03, 2024, 07:37:52 PM »

Mark Sleboda around 54 min says that the US installed govt in Afghanistan recently transferred their people to ISIS-K. ]
This almost makes ISIS-K being a CIA cut out official.
Also lots of ISIS fighters in Ukr documented since 2015 by the MSM.

https://youtu.be/9MrIBlcPXfk?t=3271
MARK SLEBODA: RUSSIA'S MILITARY OVERWHELMS UKRAINE, ISRAEL AND IRAN ON BRINK OF WAR
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2144 on: April 04, 2024, 09:17:05 AM »
Well I hear ISIS-K wants to hit us too, so I guess if they do it's confirmation they hate everybody...which I can totally believe in any such Moon God cult...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2145 on: April 04, 2024, 03:14:04 PM »


Secretary of State Tony Blinken says that Ukraine will be joining NATO.

Ukraine is a corrupt, non-democratic, authoritarian republic known as the most corrupt country in Europe.

Under Article 5, this means that an attack on Ukraine will be considered an attack on the United States.

As David Sachs says, “If you want nuclear war, vote Joe Biden in November.”


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/here-comes-world-war-iii-tony-blinken-announces/

More signs indicating the FJB panic has begun to spawn absolutely retarded decisions...headed for an epic drubbing in November...it looks like their new best case scenario for retaining power is to start a big war, end the Republic and rule by dictate.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2146 on: April 05, 2024, 08:10:02 AM »
LOL...

Stoltenberg has always been a special kind of special...so nice having stunted worms like this around...all from lazy gutless deadbeat nations...

War on Russia's infrastructure seems to be yielding some results...aided by one of the few successes of generally harmful only to themselves sanctions...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-struggling-repair-refineries-due-sanctions
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2148 on: April 05, 2024, 01:19:47 PM »

IMO RU never wanted to cross the Dnipro. Past the river the people mostly hate the Russians. In the areas being currently being fought over they are mostly viewed as liberators.

Maybe 1000 people stayed behind in Adveeka. One woman there said that 95% of the people there wanted the Russians to win.
Maybe she meant of the 1000 or the locals in the 2014 referendum in that area. I doubt it was that high in the whole oblast in the voting.

After the vote the Kiev faction invaded and used Adveeka to shell civilians in Donetsk City. 

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2149 on: April 05, 2024, 03:40:29 PM »
Issh.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/19896
🇺🇦 Kiev citizens riot: whole forest will be destroyed for dead AFU fighters

Ukraine is facing an acute shortage of burial sites due to the high number of casualties among AFU militants. In Markhalevka, Kiev region, local authorities are planning to destroy about 260 hectares of forest to build a new cemetery.

In response, the people of Kiev went on a mass strike.

One of the women was outraged, adding that corruption is progressing in the government, while Western financial aid is being misused and squandered.

Economic support to Ukraine is not charity, it's an investment in our own security - Stoltenberg
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2150 on: April 06, 2024, 02:40:43 PM »


Massive secondary explosions in first video
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1776693774682325142
🇺🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦🚨?? IMPORTANT: Today Ukraine was caught in a lie and all the US officials sent to blatantly lie along.

But when they understood that it was a lie, they keep repeating it!

1) Ukraine brought two multiple rocket launch systems into Kharkov’s residential area to shell Belgorod!

2) Russia hit these systems with a surgical strike.

3) All officials started using that civilians were attacked.

4) Russians published videos proving the strike, then a brave Ukranian published video from the scene!

Proving to the last doubter, that it was a military target cowardly hidden between civilians.

-> Ukraine shells Russian civilians from residential areas in Kharkov and US officials cover it up with their lies.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2151 on: April 06, 2024, 03:19:44 PM »
https://voxday.net/2024/04/06/the-inevitability-of-catastrophic-defeat/

https://www.rt.com/news/595498-nato-must-deploy-troops-to-ukraine-adviser-says/
 NATO faces ‘catastrophic defeat’ in Ukraine – ex-Pentagon adviser
Strategist Edward Luttwak has argued that members of the US-led bloc will have to deploy troops to prevent a Russian victory
NATO faces ‘catastrophic defeat’ in Ukraine – ex-Pentagon adviser
US strategist Edward Luttwak appears on an Italian television show in January 2013. © Getty Images / Franco Origlia

NATO nations can only forestall an inevitable loss to Russian forces in Ukraine by deploying their troops to the former Soviet republic, a former adviser to the US military has claimed.

“The arithmetic of this is inescapable: NATO countries will soon have to send soldiers to Ukraine, or else accept catastrophic defeat,” military strategist Edward Luttwak wrote in an oped published on Thursday by the British online media outlet UnHerd. “The British and French, along with the Nordic countries, are already quietly preparing to send troops – both small elite units and logistics and support personnel – who can remain far from the front.”
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2152 on: April 06, 2024, 03:32:40 PM »
I Should explain a previous post. Some Russian guy now in US said that everyone in Kiev spoke Russian. I thought he was biased and filed it away with a question mark. It was regarding the cutting open a Russian baby cake in Kiev around 2014.

Now this anti Russian biased Ukrainian  guy from Kiev said the same thing. He returned to Kiev from US and said it was odd and like having all the signs in a foreign language, Ukrainian. He grew up speaking both. This whole Ukrainian language and nationalism is very much forced.

So, in 1990 Ukraine language was not herd much in Kiev as Russian was used. Maybe 15 years later Russian was outlawed in commerce, govt, and education. Weird. In Georgia English replaced Russian as the second language used in schools. That makes sense as having an international language of empire is useful. Older people still speak Russian in addition to Georgian

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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2153 on: April 06, 2024, 04:12:47 PM »


https://t.me/geopolitics_live/20527
Lack of firepower, manpower dooms Ukraine as Zelensky may seek ‘escalation’ in Moldova

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky may attempt to “escalate” his way out of his current struggles on the battlefield by expanding the conflict to a third country, according to security analyst Mark Sleboda on Sputnik’s Fault Lines program Thursday.

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“Moldova is probably the most immediate and likely place for the expansion of the conflict in Ukraine,” said the international relations expert. “Indeed, there is since the 1990s a separatist region of Transnistria, it's a separatist region of Moldova… There is one of the largest arms and ammunition dumps of the Soviet Union still in Transnistria. And there have been many suggestions in the last year that the Kiev regime could solve all of its ammunition problems, potentially for years, if it got its hand on this depot.”

Sleboda speculated an attack on the pro-Russia region could provide an opportunity for the Ukrainian leader to overcome his struggles in the Donbass. Moldova recently launched a drone attack on Transnistria, and the analyst suggested that attacks on Russian landing ships may be intended to stymie the country’s efforts to respond to potential Ukrainian aggression in the region.

Ukraine continues to suffer from a shortage of both firepower and manpower compared to the better-equipped Russian military.

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240404/lack-of-firepower-manpower-dooms-ukraine-as-zelensky-may-seek-escalation-in-moldova-1117747773.html
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2154 on: April 07, 2024, 07:27:56 PM »


https://t.me/ukraine_watch/19998
📱 Ukraine Considers Banning Telegram if App is Confirmed as “Threat to National Security”

The Ukrainian parliament has been studying a bill since last week that threatens to shut Telegram down. 

The measure, which has proven very unpopular but has garnered the support of deputies from four political groups in the Rada – 72% of Ukrainians use Telegram as their main source of information, a study found last year.

Ukrainian citizens can currently consult Telegram without limits, as opposed to surfing the internet or following news outlets regulated by Kiev’s media law. 

Will Zelensky push through more censorship while elections are banned?
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2155 on: April 07, 2024, 07:57:19 PM »


https://asiatimes.com/2024/04/us-troops-in-moldova-in-emerging-plan-b-for-ukraine/
US troops in Moldova in emerging Plan B for Ukraine

By Stephen Bryen, April 5th 2024
Edited - full article here (https://asiatimes.com/2024/04/us-troops-in-moldova-in-emerging-plan-b-for-ukraine/)

Big trouble may be brewing in little Moldova as it could be envisioned as staging area for US and NATO forces in the event of a Russian victory and break up of Ukraine.

US troops are now in Moldova with Romanians, ostensibly for a military exercise called JCET 2024 (Joint Command Exchange Training). The exercise started on April 1st and will continue until April 19th.

According to a Moldovan Ministry of Defense statement,
“The aim of the exercise is joint training and exchange of experience between Moldovan, Romanian and American special forces, as well as to increase the level of interoperability between the participating contingents. This year’s event will also be attended by representatives of the [Moldovan] State Protection and Security Service and the Pantera Special Forces.” 

The US sponsors what it calls the Moldova-US Strategic Dialogue in Chisinau. The dialogue focuses on areas of
cooperation including justice sector and anti-corruption reforms, human rights, promoting a pluralistic media environment and rights-respecting media policies to counter disinformation, energy diversification and resilience, defense modernization and transformation, civil protection, border management, cyber security, countering cross-border threats, combating illicit trafficking in weapons and ammunition, countering proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and related materials, humanely addressing the needs of refugees and expanding people-to-people ties.

The United States has made nearly US$320 million available in new economic, security, and humanitarian assistance to help Moldova.

The purpose of the State Protection and Security Service, which is separate from the Moldovan army, is to protect high government officials.  
Officially, Moldova is supposed to be a neutral country. There is talk of changing its constitution to allow it to join military alliances and, potentially, to join NATO. 

Joint training with foreign countries (the US and Romania) would appear to violate current constitutional neutrality provisions.

Romania is keen on building up its military relationship with Moldova. Legislation is pending in Romania  (https://substack.com/redirect/25207c98-606b-4047-9e1c-c5d6476fb5f9?j=eyJ1IjoiNTQ1NTUifQ.qYFYx5kfGiWo9cjGcAInbSEGFimskGW0kn2G2WyOBFw)to allow it to intervene outside the country.

Such actions would not be limited to the military but might also involve other types of interventions to counter hybrid threats.
The focus of the new law is Moldova and Ukraine.

Romania supplies 80-90% of Moldova’s energy. It has built a gas pipeline ultimately connecting Cisenau with Romania, largely financed by grants and loans from the European community. Moldova no longer receives gas from Russia.

According to Romanian sources, there are 600,000 Romanian citizens in Moldova (most with hybrid citizenship). Romania is positioning itself to “protect” its Moldovan citizens in case of conflict.

Moldova is the second poorest country in Europe after Ukraine.


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As an aside, the title of the article would be more correct to speak of "emerging Plan B for NATO once Ukraine is spent"
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2156 on: April 08, 2024, 08:07:54 AM »
Well, if Romanians are in Moldova then its the Putin Doctrine for Romania in play...

 ::hysterical::

More humor here...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/04/nato-chief-reverses-course-warns-ukraine-may-have/

We can refer to Stoltie as "Sybil"...it is confirmed, this loon has multiple personalities...

 ::laughonfloor::

And, sure....Eastern Europe...cheap labor...



https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/mapping-average-wages-across-europe

...would have been nice to exploit sensibly if Ukraine had been truly independent kind of like El Salvador is doing now and for America to pivot to (and away from China!)...but so much for that...its death and despair for all...
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2157 on: April 08, 2024, 11:21:41 AM »
Well, if Romanians are in Moldova then its the Putin Doctrine for Romania in play...
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What is the putin doctrine?

Also I think I heard that Moldova is dumping the idea that they have their own language and declared it Romanian.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2158 on: April 08, 2024, 11:31:32 AM »

The more I hear the more I think ISIS-K is just a tool used by the US and Ukr.

The entire book "The Management of Savagery" is about how the US uses these types of people. The US such people to kill Chinese engineers building stuff in SEAsia.
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Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
« Reply #2159 on: April 08, 2024, 12:34:51 PM »

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/11331
Ukrainian students studying abroad will face an Interpol search, deportation and trial if they do not return, Ukrainian lawyer Prikhodko shares his assumptions.
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