Topic: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine

[Libertas]

Don't take it to hard...there will be no talks worth a damn until one party reaches a sufficient breaking point...sure, that point could also prelude a potential world-ending escalation...but whatever, it is what it is and you can't do squat about it anyway.  NOBODY is listening!

In other news, I had to laugh my arse off at this...

NATO and European Union leaders are literally pressuring member states to sacrifice their own national defense for the sake of Ukraine, part of the ongoing saga of desperation which has led some Western nations to deplete domestic arms and ammo stockpiles.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-nato-trying-convince-greece-spain-sacrifice-their-own-anti-air-defenses-ukraine

 

It makes perfect sense if your scheme is to throw more at a losing effort and weaken states you would like to make weaker.

This one too...


The next round of EU sanctions against Russia over the invasion of Ukraine should include measures to address the shadow fleet of tankers helping Russia move its oil and a ban on EU imports of Russian LNG, Sweden’s foreign minister said on Monday.
https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/sweden-wants-eu-sanction-russias-shadow-fleet-and-ban-its-lng

And at least this one has the advantage of actually impacting Russia, which tells me it may fail to be enacted...especially since the hate-organic-energy FJB regime and others will be hamstrung in filling the LNG gap.

And this lunatic...

Well, I think he is the West's version of the Belarus lunatic Lukashenko...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/poland-ready-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-president-duda-says

In a perverse way the lunatic Duda is right, why should only one lunatic on one side have nukes staged? 

We cannot allow a lunatic gap!

H/T-WRSA@GAB

[patentlymn]

So some of the Ukr aid is a 'loan'?
LMAO.
Maybe Ukr farm land is collateral.

I heard that getting the money through was more important than keeping the war going past the election.

Also, there are reports that many weapons to Ukr were sent without being paid for. So the aid bill is needed to
make the books match reality so maybe newer weapons will not be sent to match the new money.

[patentlymn]

US is trying to goad EU into seizing RU funds?

https://twitter.com/narrative_hole/status/1782665255308665299

What the media hides.
@narrative_hole
Rishi Sunak announces a massive aid package for Ukraine, including 1600 missiles, 400 vehicles and 60 boats

[patentlymn]

What is it that brings out the  vileness in these Baltics? One them is deporting pensioners that cannot pass a language test. One was a 65 year old blind woman.



https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95324
The head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Estonia, Laanemets, threatened to close Orthodox monasteries that refuse to come under the jurisdiction of the Estonian Orthodox Church

The same minister recently proposed that the Estonian parliament recognize the Moscow Patriarchate as a terrorist organization.

Freedom of conscience and religion in the 'Garden of Eden' has turned into a pumpkin, following the loss of other rights and freedoms.

[patentlymn]

I do not pay attention to short term war gains and losses but heard something strange recently about some place being fought over.
A brigade left a location early without permission. A second brigade was ordered in and they refused A third brigade also refused. One or more may have been Azov brigades, It was a rout.

[Libertas]

Will The Anglo-American Axis Really Deploy Nukes To Poland?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/will-anglo-american-axis-really-deploy-nukes-poland

Yes.  As I said there cannot be a lunatic gap!

Also, because if long-range ATACMs are in play...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-secretly-armed-ukraine-long-range-atacms-last-month

...anything can be in play.

And now, Neo-Imperialist Russia has triggered the great nukes in space race!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-vetoes-us-authored-un-resolution-banning-nuclear-weapons-space

The future looks so bright we all need SPF 4,500,000 lotion!

[patentlymn]

I heard now that 23B of the recent package was payment for weapons already shipped.

[Libertas]

Busy news day...

This should provide some interesting video clips in the future, right now they're fairly tame - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-ready-help-ukraine-round-military-aged-men

What happened to European's compassion for war refugees?  It's because they are white, isn't it?   

This is funny - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-will-target-us-nuclear-weapons-poland-if-they-appear

Hotheads?!  How about your batshyt-crazy lapdog Lukashenko and the nuke's y'all got there?!  Your hotheads are targeted too, nah nah nah nah nah!

 

More internal EU fun stuff likely to bog down into paralyzing inaction - https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/eu-prepares-tighten-screws-russian-lng-imports

If they were really serious about fighting the Rus there would be no disagreement...

And some tit for tat, or tat for tit, er whatever - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-seize-440-million-jpmorgan

No funds for you, or you!   

And an interesting regional players internal drama - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-president-admits-major-infrastructure-project-has-dual-military-purposes

And, perhaps more consequentially, more long-range attacks on Russia coming - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-sends-record-aid-package-defense-chief-says-ukraine-increase-long-range-strikes

And, within hours of new funds from idiotic UniParty asshats in America...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russian-refineries-under-attack-again-brent-crude-nears-90-mark

I think Sec. Blinken missit needs to leave Israel alone and go get their muppet in Kyiv straightened out...

That 1930's vibe just isn't dissipating, is it?

PS - Can someone, anyone...please take care of this criminal enterprise?

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1783619319089234157

 

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/myLordBebo/29254
🇺🇦🇷🇺 Ukrainian negotiators had to work with 3 bosses, who needed to confirm the deal. So they couldn’t make a decision by themselves.

Medinskiy recalls the negotiations with Ukraine in Istanbul.
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1783903618950726090

[patentlymn]

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95713
"We've invaded more countries than Russia and China combined. So how do we give ourselves somehow the pass as the white hat guys, when a lot of our policy has created a lot of the chaos?"


"At least we have some principles"-
David Sanger NYT


@JonStewart
: "We say that, but 'you can't invade a country,' what happened in Iraq?

'You can't call for regime change.' What did we do in Libya?"

"Iran is an enemy today because we overthrew their democratically-elected government"

Stewart tells the truth.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95714

[patentlymn]

WTF?

https://twitter.com/TomatkaP/status/1784096339762061628/photo/1
The Verkhovna Rada adopted in the second reading a bill according to which Ukrainians will be able to be fired from their jobs if they keep silent about relatives in Russia. This was reported by the Ukrainian Judicial and Legal newspaper.
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Changes are being made to the Ukrainian Labor Code. According to the new rules, employees will have to notify employers about relatives and loved ones in the regions that Kiev considers occupied, and provide information about their place of residence or registration.

[Libertas]

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95713
"We've invaded more countries than Russia and China combined. So how do we give ourselves somehow the pass as the white hat guys, when a lot of our policy has created a lot of the chaos?"


"At least we have some principles"-
David Sanger NYT


@JonStewart
: "We say that, but 'you can't invade a country,' what happened in Iraq?

'You can't call for regime change.' What did we do in Libya?"

"Iran is an enemy today because we overthrew their democratically-elected government"

Stewart tells the truth.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95714

That last one is bullsh*t...there was never a desire among the majority of Iranians to become a strict Islamic Theocracy with messianic desires to annihilate Israel and set the world on fire so they could say hello to their Mahdi...

[Libertas]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/justice-kavanaugh-warns-vicious-cycle-malicious-prosecutions-could-end-presidency

Bullsh*t!

Existing examples of the current POS stinking up the Oval Office shows wanton and unpunished disregard of the law...

Latest news from the front - retreat!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-army-chief-admits-tactical-retreat-underway

Get used to going backwards, no amount of US taxpayer money, no amount of arms, no amount of championing Ikraine borders over our own is going to make a spit bit of difference...

[ToddF]

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95713
"We've invaded more countries than Russia and China combined. So how do we give ourselves somehow the pass as the white hat guys, when a lot of our policy has created a lot of the chaos?"


"At least we have some principles"-
David Sanger NYT


@JonStewart
: "We say that, but 'you can't invade a country,' what happened in Iraq?

'You can't call for regime change.' What did we do in Libya?"

"Iran is an enemy today because we overthrew their democratically-elected government"

Stewart tells the truth.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/95714

That last one is bullsh*t...there was never a desire among the majority of Iranians to become a strict Islamic Theocracy with messianic desires to annihilate Israel and set the world on fire so they could say hello to their Mahdi...

I would guess he's referring to the 1950s and our CIA didn't like their election choices.  At the time, peak Red Scare and all.  Playing Monday Morning Quarterback, that was a dumb thing to do.

[patentlymn]

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I would guess he's referring to the 1950s and our CIA didn't like their election choices.  At the time, peak Red Scare and all.  Playing Monday Morning Quarterback, that was a dumb thing to do.

I thought US helped UK to keep Iran from taking over BP. I could be wrong.

Trivia: USSR helped Israel with Czech arms around 1948.

[patentlymn]

Thomas Sowell kinda said that liberals think you can accurately analyze the world and make good predictions. Conservatives think the world is more complicated and if you poke the world in one place it may poke out where you least expect it. Conservatives give more weight to traditions and customs than liberals.

 Seizing Russian assets?

Who then pulls money out of the US or west? USD as reserve currency? What will Russia seize? EU has more assets in Russia than the US. Russia has more assets in EU than in US.  FAFO.


https://t.me/myLordBebo/29463
Russia warns West against driving ‘nail in coffin’ of own economy

The seizure of Moscow’s frozen assets by the US and EU would set “a dangerous precedent,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has warned.

The US and its allies have blocked around $300 billion in Russian central bank assets as part of the sanctions imposed on Moscow over the Ukraine conflict. Most of the funds are being held in the EU. Washington has been insisting for months that international law allows for the appropriation of the funds, but Germany and France have expressed concerns that such a move could have negative consequences for the Western financial system.

Earlier this week, US Joe Biden signed a bill permitting the seizure of some $6 billion in Russian state assets that are sitting in American banks. 

Peskov said on Sunday that it is too early to speak about all $300 billion being confiscated by the US and EU. However, he offered the reminder that “Russia has Western money from various structures."

[ToddF]

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I would guess he's referring to the 1950s and our CIA didn't like their election choices.  At the time, peak Red Scare and all.  Playing Monday Morning Quarterback, that was a dumb thing to do.

I thought US helped UK to keep Iran from taking over BP. I could be wrong.

Trivia: USSR helped Israel with Czech arms around 1948.

The communist the people of Iran elected, nationalized the oil industry.  After that the US helped the Shah stage a coup.

[Libertas]

...
I would guess he's referring to the 1950s and our CIA didn't like their election choices.  At the time, peak Red Scare and all.  Playing Monday Morning Quarterback, that was a dumb thing to do.

I thought US helped UK to keep Iran from taking over BP. I could be wrong.

Trivia: USSR helped Israel with Czech arms around 1948.

The communist the people of Iran elected, nationalized the oil industry.  After that the US helped the Shah stage a coup.

Yup.  We overthrew commies, not Mahdi Death Cultists nobody wanted...so, uhh, somebody can rest easy I guess...

[Libertas]

And, once more the myth of Putin's superior intelligence is debunked again...

Russia will soon showcase a parade of NATO vehicles captured from the battlefield in Ukraine. Or rather, we might say that Putin is about to show off his 'trophy vehicles'.

A month-long exhibit displaying the Western military equipment will run starting May 1st at Moscow's Victory Park, and which will be featured alongside the capital's annual Red Square Victory Day Parade on May 9 which commemorates the victory over Nazi Germany in World War Two.

The display will feature an array of armored fighting vehicles, including an American Bradley infantry fighting vehicle, a Swedish CV90 and a French-made AMX-10RC.

It will also include destroyed American tanks, per state media:

For the first time Russian troops have hauled a disabled US-made M1 Abrams tank away from the front line of the Ukraine conflict, the beginning of a journey that will eventually see the vehicle displayed at a trophy show in Moscow, officials have said.

German-made Leopard main battle tanks are also being transferred to the Russian capital to be put on display.

Russia's defense ministry has listed that it additionally has examples of military equipment made in Australia, Austria, France, Finland, Turkey, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Sweden and South Africa - as cited in Newsweek.

Russian media sources have already begun releasing images and footage of the vehicles being staged ahead of the official event kick-off.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/captured-nato-military-equipment-put-month-long-display-moscow

I understand the impulse to wag your genitals at your enemies, really, I get it it.  But it is a bit childish.  Usually, troops stop and take pics to smoldering enemy equipment, poach the odd personal trophy like a weapon or helmet or patch and such...maybe that is a Western orientation...the Rus have always needed more, and I guess that impulse to boost the ego with gaudy displays cannot be suppressed.

But, they ought to be bright enough to know that this is going to have no positive effect for the ruling dipsh*ts back here, it will only get them to double-down and throw more money and blood into the mix...it will prolong and/or increase hostilities...

But, maybe it doesn't matter...I've always said all sides appear all-in on more war...guess I remain right...

And as for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-installs-cope-cages-oil-refineries-ukraine-ramps-kamikaze-drone-attacks

Yeah, OK...doesn't look like it will do much to stop cluster munitions...but, looking forward to the videos...

[patentlymn]

I lost the link. I read that Finland is begging the EU for 10 B EU to pay for troops along the RU border. Maybe NATO troops? Their politicians jumped on the anti RU sanctions which ended most trade that benefited both countries.