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Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« on: December 13, 2013, 08:07:11 AM »
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Eyer has a post--one of a series on what are termed HOT BUTTON ISSUES--titled "How to Discuss Racial Issues on MLive Without Violating the Community Rules." It should be titled "How Not to Discuss Racial Issues . . .," because it consists of a list of seven things to avoid:

1. Overt racism. . . . 2. Accusations of racism. . . . 3. Generalizations. . . . 4. Thread-jacking. . . . 5. False equivalence. . . . 6. Racial descriptions. . . . 7. Crime statistics.

That is right, you may not generalize and you may not actually cite facts to back up those generalizations

The common lefty of course only hates generalizations that disagree with their own narrative of course, because everyone knows that most Conservatives are selfish and evil.  Someone once coined this behavior as "Groupdividual" - a lefty simply choose to interpret something said about an individual - like Obama- as if it were about a group.  For instance, if I said "Obama a anti-american, anti white racist narcissistic sociopath hell bent on destroying traditional American institutions,  values,  and principals" the lefty will hear it as if I thought all (half) black people are that way and tell me I am racist.   However, if I cite actual crime statics about a generalized group, they will interpret it as if I were unfairly judging a given individual in that group.

Just as a lefty cannot understand the difference between coerced and voluntary behavior because their worldview presume there is no such thing as individual rights or freedom, the typical lefty cannot distinguish between the collective and individuals.  TO them its all one and the same. The only truth is the collective truth, and they are "free thinkers" for realizing that and adhering to it. Think so causes them no cognitive dissonance at all because the concept of the individual as we understand it is completely outside their experience.

I hatez them .

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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2013, 08:17:09 AM »
Head...puddle...hold...bubbles...hold...no bubbles...no more leftist.

 ::whoohoo::
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2013, 09:05:25 AM »
Head...puddle...hold...bubbles...hold...no bubbles...no more leftist.

 ::whoohoo::

kinda like dances with wolves;  fast forward to 3:31 on you tube

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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 10:04:41 AM »
It's not like the few remaining consumers of this low information drek could handle an honest discussion about anything, anyway.

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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 11:13:18 AM »
It's not like the few remaining consumers of this low information drek could handle an honest discussion about anything, anyway.

Ain't it the truth!

I followed Weisshaupt's link and read the  whole piece (it's short and to the point!) and then, out of curiosity, followed his link to the MLive piece (of shyt):

Http://blog.mlive.com/community_talk/2013/12/how_to_discuss_racial_issues_o_1.html

I was amused (but not surprised) to see how the leftists thread the needle to bash the right even on a discussion on how to hold an open discussion. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to continue to muddle along, being a neanderthal knuckle-dragger.

As an aside I got into trouble - from the righty moderator of another site because I said the following: "the only thing that can change a leftists mind is a tire iron"

What's isn't factual about that?

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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2013, 01:10:37 PM »
I was raised with all the usual admonitions against generalization. Not so much from my parents, but from the culture; society. TV, School, music...

I grew to adulthood thinking that generalization was roughly equivalent to bigotry; a lazy way to discern; unfair to individuals; closed-minded. I was aided in that belief by the fact that I was not a conventional person. Long hair, musician type. Spent the 80's wearing pretty outlandish hair and clothing. I was the object of other people's generalization, and I made a game out of showing people that I wasn't the idiot they assumed me to be.

So I held on to that as a basic value well into my late 30s, even though I could see around me that sometimes generalization was just what it is.

Then one day I heard Dennis Prager say something that has stuck with me ever since: "Generalization is the mother of wisdom. You cannot have wisdom without generalization."

He then went on to offer several examples of exactly why this is so. It seemed so painfully obvious to me after hearing him say it. But societal norms are powerful. Unless one has reason to put specific thought into assumptions that permeate the whole society, one has little cause to question them. I didn't think I had any reason to question that assumption until I heard it articulated.

Now EVERY time I see or hear somebody admonishing against generalization, I say, "Generalization is the mother of wisdom. You cannot have wisdom without generalization."

Never once, has someone come back with a challenge to that. They are forced to either stand down, or they are reduced to change their point of attack, or usually, ad hominem.

All that to say, speaking of race without generalization is not wise.
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2013, 01:17:43 PM »
It's not like the few remaining consumers of this low information drek could handle an honest discussion about anything, anyway.

Ain't it the truth!

I followed Weisshaupt's link and read the  whole piece (it's short and to the point!) and then, out of curiosity, followed his link to the MLive piece (of shyt):

http://blog.mlive.com/community_talk/2013/12/how_to_discuss_racial_issues_o_1.html

I was amused (but not surprised) to see how the leftists thread the needle to bash the right even on a discussion on how to hold an open discussion. Oh well, I guess I'll just have to continue to muddle along, being a neanderthal knuckle-dragger.

As an aside I got into trouble - from the righty moderator of another site because I said the following: "the only thing that can change a leftists mind is a tire iron"

What's isn't factual about that?


You used the word "tire".....
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2013, 01:45:18 PM »
I was raised with all the usual admonitions against generalization. Not so much from my parents, but from the culture; society. TV, School, music...

I grew to adulthood thinking that generalization was roughly equivalent to bigotry; a lazy way to discern; unfair to individuals; closed-minded. I was aided in that belief by the fact that I was not a conventional person. Long hair, musician type. Spent the 80's wearing pretty outlandish hair and clothing. I was the object of other people's generalization, and I made a game out of showing people that I wasn't the idiot they assumed me to be.

So I held on to that as a basic value well into my late 30s, even though I could see around me that sometimes generalization was just what it is.

Then one day I heard Dennis Prager say something that has stuck with me ever since: "Generalization is the mother of wisdom. You cannot have wisdom without generalization."

He then went on to offer several examples of exactly why this is so. It seemed so painfully obvious to me after hearing him say it. But societal norms are powerful. Unless one has reason to put specific thought into assumptions that permeate the whole society, one has little cause to question them. I didn't think I had any reason to question that assumption until I heard it articulated.

Now EVERY time I see or hear somebody admonishing against generalization, I say, "Generalization is the mother of wisdom. You cannot have wisdom without generalization."

Never once, has someone come back with a challenge to that. They are forced to either stand down, or they are reduced to change their point of attack, or usually, ad hominem.

All that to say, speaking of race without generalization is not wise.

I think I come from the same point of view minus the hair and clothes in the 80's ;)

I think sometimes that the pervasiveness of the left's influence alludes even us-- the "aware" at times. We're conditioned to be "nice" and to feel guilty even when speaking truth.  Recently, I said something to someone and was told I hurt her feelings.  I pointed out that what I said was true and she admitted it yet I was to feel bad because she didn't want to feel bad about my true observation.
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2013, 02:09:46 AM »
Funny that I read this tonight. I was thinking the other day on the same subject and how that the reason that we have generalizations and stereotypes is because those things generally and typically hold true. Using them against an individual I can disagree with (at times), but when used as what they are, there should be no opposition.
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2013, 08:34:54 AM »
The most incredibly amusing, glaring example of a stereotype in action I ever saw was at Versailles Palace. I was backpacking Europe and stopped by. As we got off the public transportation several tour busses pulled in. The busses were full of Japanese tourists.
Yup! You guessed it....cameras! On top of cameras! Literally! People had 3 some 4 around their necks and one in hand. The crowd ran (as well a s a crowd can) and people in back were holding their camera above their head to snap photos of...well who knows what they could see.
It was bend-over grab your sides funny!
Some years later some nit-witted co-Ed specializing in grievance mongering tried to tell me stereotypes are based in ignorance!
Evidently, as she tried to tell me, it wasn't a horde of Japanese I saw. My lying eyes have to be corrected by some properly educated dunce, I guess.
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2013, 09:14:37 AM »
One of my kids was in Europe this year and said that busses of Japanese tourists would pull up in front of a tourist site; they'd get off, take a picture and get back on the bus within a few minutes. She said no way they actually could appreciate what they were seeing.
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Re: Thou Shalt Not use Comments Section to question the narrative
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2013, 04:39:47 PM »
I call that "ballistic vacationing", it was the preferred method of sight-seeing favored by my parents when we were kids...latter years it dialed back a bit, so I suspect it was a means to keep kids from wondering off into trouble and tiring us out by night so mom and pop had some peace.

I wonder in this age of IM/Twitter et al the Japanese and others are in competitive FTW contests!   ;D
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