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Topics => The Police State => Topic started by: IronDioPriest on February 28, 2011, 01:55:10 PM
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Glenn Reynolds @ instapundit (http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/) asks, [blockquote]"If union protesters turn violent — as they increasingly have — can you trust pro-union police to intervene?"[/blockquote]
I certainly wouldn't want to ever offend any LEOs by asking that question, but this account of concrete action taken by the LAPD Union seems to indicate that it's a question we'd better be prepared to ask.
HT: PJMedia.... Just a couple quick excerpts - but the whole thing is worth a clickthrough & read.
L.A. Police Union Urges Members to ‘Stand in Solidarity’ with SEIU and MoveOn.Org
LAPD cops were asked to pick up picket signs and march alongside a bunch of leftist kooks and government bureaucrats to show encouragement to Wisconsin’s public sector workers. (http://tinyurl.com/6dtds9z)
I had been expecting it, but when it finally came it was far worse than I had feared. I could scarcely believe my eyes.
The message that appeared in my email in-box Thursday evening came from the board of directors of the Los Angeles Police Protective League, the union that represents rank-and-file LAPD officers, of which I have been a member for many years. It was an email version of the latest post on the LAPPL Blog, and it began thus: “The attack on Wisconsin workers is an attack on union members across the nation.”
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The directors went on to express their condemnation for the growing campaign to deny collective bargaining rights to public sector employees, a position which, no doubt to a man, their members surely share. All of this would hardly have been worth comment had they stopped there.
There then came this paragraph: [blockquote]At noon local time on Saturday, February 26, MoveOn.org will hold rallies in front of every statehouse and in every major city to stand in solidarity with the people of Wisconsin. Find a Rally to Save the American Dream near you by visiting the website and entering your zip code. You can also show your support by sending words of encouragement to Wisconsin’s workers via a special website created by the SEIU.[/blockquote] What? MoveOn.org? The SEIU? And they were asking cops to march in this parade? Surely this had to be some kind of elaborate Internet hoax.
And it got worse. If you dared to click on the link to find a rally, you learned that in addition to MoveOn.org and the SEIU, the events were to be sponsored by National People’s Action, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, USAction, the Daily Kos, Media Matters, and every other leftist fringe cabal this side of the Socialist Workers Party. The post concluded with a stirring exhortation: “Our brothers and sisters in Wisconsin are under attack. They need and deserve our support. The time to pull together is NOW.” They might have gone with something a bit punchier, like “Workers of the world, unite!”
It was no hoax. Would that it had been.
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Once again the police union poohbah's side with domestic enemies...
...and I am supposed to have nothing but warm and fuzzy feelings toward our friends in blue?
::unknowncomic::
http://lapd.com/blog/the_attack_on_wisconsin_workers_is_an_attack_on_union_members_across_the_nation/ (http://lapd.com/blog/the_attack_on_wisconsin_workers_is_an_attack_on_union_members_across_the_nation/)
Idiots!
::mooning::
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This new development does not present a rosy scenario, but it is instructive. There's ample reason now to believe police organizations may stand with the "revolutionaries" and against the people.
They've shown this in WI, now L.A. and the MD rank and file escorted protesters to a private home across the State line.
So be it.
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So be it indeed. Our friends in uniform best be, on an individual level, thinking long and hard about where they stand on certain fundamental questions -- because circumstance is going to force a decision.
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So, do we now have a situation where the police are loyal to the unions and not their mayors?
I knew that it would eventually come to that. That is why there should be no public unions. We elect their bosses, and that's it. Period.
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So, do we now have a situation where the police are loyal to the unions and not their mayors?
I knew that it would eventually come to that. That is why there should be no public unions. We elect their bosses, and that's it. Period.
Unless of course their mayor is an in-the-pocket union demonrat whore, in that case they are all in lock-step opposition to We the People.
I just hope enough rank & file LEO's are of sufficient moral caliber that they can offset the tyrannical machinations of their intemperate leftist cadre...should the SHTF...otherwise problems just got a whole lot more ugly!
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This new development does not present a rosy scenario, but it is instructive. There's ample reason now to believe police organizations may stand with the "revolutionaries" and against the people.
They've shown this in WI, now L.A. and the MD rank and file escorted protesters to a private home across the State line.
So be it.
And Sacramento.
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So, do we now have a situation where the police are loyal to the unions and not their mayors?
That is exactly the situation we have.
Not to invoke Godwin's Law, but look up the Nazi Gleichschaltung. It's a term borrowed from electrical engineering where voltage on different circuits is matched/unified, and the Nazis used it to describe their social engineering wherein all aspects of society were brought under the umbrella of the Party. The Soviets used a similar euphemism, "normalization". The civil police forces were merged with and subordinated to the organs of the Party (Ordnungspolizei).
This issue with the unions is about way more than fiscal questions. The central question is: who runs the government? Is it We The People, through our duly elected representatives? Or is it the union bosses? The latter are making no bones about their position, that it's them.
People like us who have been speculating about the seeming likelihood of a looming breakdown in civil order, for at least the past year or two, have remained perplexed about the particulars of that thing or sequence of events that will actually precipitate it. I think we're seeing it now.
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it appears that they are choosing sides against the very people they should be serving and protecting.
Is it any wonder the no snitch attitude is so persuasive........?
Pitiful and shame on you LAPU.......shame on you.
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I was talking with a guy about the Sunday deadline (to vacate the capitol building in Wisconsin) and he suggested that it would be interesting to see if the cops obeyed the order to enforce. I have to admit that it caught me somewhat by surprise. I have a few cop buddies but maintain a decidedly low opinion of police forces in general.
I'm so used to seeing them as JBT's that it surprised me the consider that they wouldn't want to bust some heads.
I told my friend that the busting heads part needn't happen and that surely the cops would do their job. I also said that now was the time for walker to find out where their sympathies - and even more importantly their loyalties were. Well we found out.
They didn't outright refuse, but they sent a strongly worded message that the protesters should be allowed to stay and that they were inclined to support them. At present I do not know if they've cleared the building but I doubt it.
If walker can't get cooperation from the police he is in a world of hurt. He needs to find out quick and advance his alternate plans (I hope to God he has an alternate strategy!).
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I was raised to respect the police, however, in the last decade of my life I have come to despise them as blood suckers. I've seen them mercilessly beat employees, take constitutional liberties from law abiding citizens, shoot those aforementioned, cover for each other in court and now with little surprise left, side with the lawless unions.
Do we need police for some situations, yes, but as we can all see, it's at a terrible cost to liberty. Detectives solving crimes are an entirely different section of enforcement. If liberalism hadn't destroyed people's willingness to walk around unarmed, we'd almost never need them but alas, we have become complacent and weak. I'm sad to claim that we as a nation are already past the point of no return when it comes to personal responsibility in defending our rights from those that would steal them criminal or government.
We should rid ourselves of all those that would decree that collective bargaining is a right or better yet that unionizing is. Gov. Walker should issue the ultimatum to the State police to quit of follow the orders issued by the executive. He has the authority to lay them off/fire them with the current situation of the budget being so far out of balance. The locals can be disciplined by cutting back on money to each municipality forcing them to lay off the little malcontents.
WHen you're fired then you know how the rest us feel about the Obamakov economy.
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This is one of my biggest fears...misplaced loyalty.
I'd like to get a pose this question to every PD across the country.
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They should have been dismissed summarily. It is weakness on the governor's part not to have done so.
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The only state chartered law enforcement entity the Governor has under his command are the state troopers, correct? Maybe some others like a state bureau of investigation etc he could use as reserves...if they do not answer to the chain of command...well...
Calling out the National Guard is looking not so far-fetched after all...eh?
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I realize this is the union heads speaking.......on behalf of the police force? I'd like to know how the rank and file officers feel about the edict to back liberal organizations.
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I realize this is the union heads speaking.......on behalf of the police force? I'd like to know how the rank and file officers feel about the edict to back liberal organizations.
I had that thought too. Surely there'll be police officers who indeed see a threat to public unions as a threat to themselves. But I'd like to know how and in what numbers cops differ with union bosses.
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The only state chartered law enforcement entity the Governor has under his command are the state troopers, correct? Maybe some others like a state bureau of investigation etc he could use as reserves...if they do not answer to the chain of command...well...
Calling out the National Guard is looking not so far-fetched after all...eh?
Yes, the state troopers. The state troopers guard the state and the capitol is the seat of the state. The city police should either obey the troopers or be put in jail with their hippie/commie brothers.
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Is it too far-fetched to see million dollar football players walking off the field in solidarity with the teacher's union?
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Do they have something like a Capitol Police there? If either they or the state police will not obey orders to remove vagrants, then they should be summarily fired. Where's all the liberal talk of "sedition" now? I too can see a need for him to call up the National Guard. I can also see Obama undermining his ability to do so, utilizing every trick at his disposal via the "National" part of National Guard.
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I was in Madison last September and was simply amazed at all the anti-Obama, anti-liberal signs and billboards on display.
I am convinced that there will be more fallout against the left in 2012 as a result of this demonstration.
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I realize this is the union heads speaking.......on behalf of the police force? I'd like to know how the rank and file officers feel about the edict to back liberal organizations.
I had that thought too. Surely there'll be police officers who indeed see a threat to public unions as a threat to themselves. But I'd like to know how and in what numbers cops differ with union bosses.
As a retired LEO, this kind of talk from union thugs disgusts me. My agency was prohibited by statute from unionizing, an act I heartily encourage. Most rank and file street cops really don't care what their shop stewards or union officials say. They are only concerned with getting the best pay and benefit package the union can negotiate. There are many departments that are represented by the Fraternal Order of Police. This is not a union per se, but they act as a bargaining agent.
Police departments like any other organizations, have about 10% of their people that are complete jackasses and on the shallow end of the gene pool. Unfortunately, these are the people the public tends to see as representive of an entire group. I would hope that my brothers in blue do not follow along with this union BS, and uphold thier oaths.
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I would hope that my brothers in blue do not follow along with this union BS, and uphold their oaths.[/color]
As do we all pray, they remember who to "protect and serve".
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The only state chartered law enforcement entity the Governor has under his command are the state troopers, correct? Maybe some others like a state bureau of investigation etc he could use as reserves...if they do not answer to the chain of command...well...
Calling out the National Guard is looking not so far-fetched after all...eh?
Put the image of national guard troops dragging out those bums and we lose the argument.It's almost over we wait and get it done.
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The only state chartered law enforcement entity the Governor has under his command are the state troopers, correct? Maybe some others like a state bureau of investigation etc he could use as reserves...if they do not answer to the chain of command...well...
Calling out the National Guard is looking not so far-fetched after all...eh?
Put the image of national guard troops dragging out those bums and we lose the argument.It's almost over we wait and get it done.
Exactly. I was at Ann Althouse's site yesterday and between what she wrote and information in the comments, it appears the plan is to keep the doors locked - the majority of the rabble did leave voluntarily - permitting ingress only to those with legitimate business; no additional protesters will be allowed in with supplies either. So, it appears the rest will eventually dribble out -- finished with a whimper, not a bang.
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So, cooler heads prevailing, eh? I'm such a hardass...but that's OK. I take it to mean that they blinked first then. May that always be the case. ;)
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So, cooler heads prevailing, eh? I'm such a hardass...but that's OK. I take it to mean that they blinked first then. May that always be the case. ;)
If the governor keeps his cool he can't lose and by extension the taxpayers win too and it frees the people held captive by union thugs.
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The MSM is busily spinning polls that allegedly show majority public sentiment behind the crybabies. Yeah, I guess that's why a Republican Governor and legislature was elected in November on just this agenda.
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Golly G, don't ya see the MFM headlines? The people didn't ask for this! Honest, this is what the MFM is saying, you trust the MFM don't ya?! ::barf::
Ya, me neither. And not so many in WI or anywhere else for that matter...they all really over-played their hand, didn't they.
Now I hear the Republican leader has approached some of the exiles...I think one will be coming back soon...if the Governor is forced to make layoffs people will see it largely as the result of Dem's running from their responsibilities...they're feeling the pinch. I would like to pinch harder. Defeat is costly, running away and still losing, that should hurt more!