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Topics => Judiciary, Crime, & Courts => Topic started by: trapeze on August 05, 2012, 03:03:40 PM
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More mass murder.
Waiting to hear from Brian Ross on the Tea Party connection.
LINK (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SIKH_TEMPLE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-05-15-14-22)
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The articles are mostly repetitious. I read the the word coordinated but
mostly spoke of one, now deceased (thanks to a cop who's in ER), shooter.
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The local police have the Aurora shooting fresh in their minds and are doing what is necessary to prevent idiots in the media from screwing up the investigation. That includes not releasing the name of the shooter until they have had an opportunity to visit his residence.
Brian Ross is waiting impatiently for the opportunity to tie the shooter to the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.
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The local police have the Aurora shooting fresh in their minds and are doing what is necessary to prevent idiots in the media from screwing up the investigation. That includes not releasing the name of the shooter until they have had an opportunity to visit his residence.
Brian Ross is waiting impatiently for the opportunity to tie the shooter to the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.
Brian Ross wants to know where he lives so he can plant evidence.
I thought her name may be Kale.
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All we know have heard is the shooter white (but we heard that in the Zimmerman case too), so naturally the typical knee-jerk gun-grabbing types already have their story written...
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The ignorance of your average Twitter user I am guessing is a function of the correlation of libiot i-Phone users...
Twits on Twitter blame Bachmann for Sikh slaughter in WI (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/hate-breeds-hate-twitter-users-blame-michele-bachmann-for-deadly-wisc-attack/)
Ummm....
Sikh's are NOT Muslim, Twitter Twits! ::)
Ignorati...no wonder Dem trash wins some elections... ::facepalm::
::mooning::
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I used to have a signature at a gun forum, "100 million American gun owners killed nobody today". It illustrates two major things, one that gun ownership is extremely common yet all these tens of millions of people are able to contain themselves on a daily basis and behave like civilized beings; and two, that it's not newsworthy until someone does commit crimes with a gun.
I'm really weary of having to do what feels, in essence, like fighting the American Revolution all over again -- every single time some lunatic goes and gives a salivating press a chance to pull up Microsoft Word and do a quick find-and-replace before reprinting their favorite narrative with the latest names, dates, and places filled in. We all know what their goal is, and I'd rather they just go ahead and make their play.
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Aye. And ye'll have company.
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sources have told ABC News the shootings are the work of a "white supremacist" or "skinhead."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-oak-creek-wisconsin-officials-white-supremacist/story?id=16933779 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/sikh-temple-oak-creek-wisconsin-officials-white-supremacist/story?id=16933779)
Of course, aren't all white devils "supremacists" and/or "skinheads"?! Fvcking ABC! No admission yet that the "source" was Brian Ross!
::mooning::
I'm with G, 'nuff of this BS, they wanna dance, lets dance.
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More info - heavily-tattooed, 40-year-old ex-Army soldier Wade Michael Page.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22kaYJb99 (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/06/authorities-search-for-motive-in-deadly-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple/#ixzz22kaYJb99)
Something made this dude snap, this is starting to look like a spontaneous act, not a deeply thought out terrorist mission the press is eager to exploit.
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Carlson said the shooting is being investigated as a "possible act of terrorism."
Unlike when the shooter is a 'slim, or Black, wherein terrorism is ruled out before the smoke clears.
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More mass murder.
Waiting to hear from Brian Ross on the Tea Party connection.
LINK (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SIKH_TEMPLE_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-05-15-14-22)
No link to the Tea Party but they quickly came up with the next best thing . The shooter's connection to the U.S. Army is being splattered all over the reportage . ::cussing::
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Well, looks like they found themselves a living breathing Neo-Nazi who was "on the Federal radar" for some time...
OK, hearing phrases like that make me think of the term "patsy"!
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-investigators-kept-tabs-alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-20120806,0,2390104.story (http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-investigators-kept-tabs-alleged-sikh-temple-shooter-20120806,0,2390104.story)
But I am sure all is OK, it's not like Fed's under the Obama Regime ever put semi-automatic weapopns in the hands of bad guys or got anyone killed...umm, ahh,... ::saywhat::
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And the other shoe drops ...
India seeks more security for religious places in U.S. (http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3735110.ece)
India has sought strengthening of security around places of worship in the United States and urged Washington to come out with a strong message of reassurance to the Indian community following the Wisconsin gurdwara shooting that left six dead.
In a telephonic conversation with U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday evening, External Affairs Minister (EAM) S.M. Krishna also requested a full and prompt investigation into the killings.
Satisfied with the steps taken by the law enforcing agencies, Mr. Krishna expressed “sincere appreciation for a quick and brave response by local authorities in averting a worse tragedy,” said official sources here who maintained that Ms. Clinton was “receptive” to the EAM’s message and assured assistance.
‘Against U.S. policies’
Earlier, Mr. Krishna told the media that the killings in a place of worship ran counter to the proclaimed policies of the U.S. government and felt the U.S. would have to revisit its liberal gun laws in the light of recent incidents.
“I think they will have to certainly take a comprehensive look at this kind of tendency which certainly is not going to bring credit to the U.S.,” he told the media.
“But we will certainly not interfere in the internal affairs of the U.S. I think it is for them to decide the next course of action,” he added.
The Minister said any attempt by outsiders to interfere in this “very sacred freedom” [worshipping according to one’s preference] has done a “great injustice not only to that country but to the entire people.”
The Minister assured the Sikh community that the government would do “everything that is in our power to ensure that their places of worship are going to be protected at all costs.”
He prefaced his criticism by pointing out that in the U.S., just like in India, everyone is entitled to pursue the religion of choice.
Mr. Krishna took note of the messages of condolence by U.S. President Barack Obama and others who have emphasised that the U.S attached importance to religious freedom and tolerance, respecting and protecting the people of all faiths.
He refused to go into the motives, appreciated the prompt response by the law enforcing agencies and took note of the proactive role by Indian diplomats in the U.S. led by Ambassador Nirupama Rao.
“I think the Federal Bureau of Investigation has swung into action right away. Our Ambassador Nirupama Rao has been in constant touch with State Department and has registered her sense of disturbance and concern over the developments,” he said.
Right. We will "not interfere" by interfering.
Are these people American citizens or not? If they are -- and even if they aren't; they're living here -- what the hell business is it of India's.
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Sikhs are "collateral damage" from 9/11 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/06/sikj-abuse-america-911)
Keleka described how his father arrived in the US with little money and built up a flourishing petrol station business. He was, said his son, such an enthusiast for the "American Dream" that years ago he planted an enormous US flag in front of his house. "When we came home from high school that day we said: papa, this thing is an eyesore," said Kaleka.
But his father told them to look down the street and see the flags flying from other houses. "You're in America now," he said.
Kaleka said his father remained convinced that Americans would accept them as Sikhs. Many people in Oak Creek on Monday expressed sympathy and solidarity with the Sikh community as government offices and business lowered flags to half mast, and some churches, banks and individuals put up signs of support.
But for all that, on Monday Kaleka sounded sceptical about his father's optimism. "We should know that America needs to have cultural understanding for anybody it deals with. Ninety-nine percent of this nation is immigrants. We need to know each other," he said.
NO! IT IS NOT!!
::overkill::
H/T Drudge
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99% of the population is the goal, thanks to no border enforcement, no immigration enforcement...complete Federal indifference to existing laws...
Keleka channeling the not too distant future if idiots have their way...
And what is this "we need to know each other" crap? Our Dear Leader and his ilk tell us there are only two kinds of people - minorities and racists, what else you want to know?
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The reason India has this interest is a testament to the fact that they're not really immigrants. Not in the conventional sense. Like so many other post-1965 immigrants in the era of "multiculturalism", they are more properly thought of as economic colonists. Their hearts and minds are with the nation and culture they came from, even if their presence here is tantamount to admitting things are superior here. They come for economic benefit, but do not have the emotional attachment to country. It's the same with the Mexicans.
This country had a baseline cultural heritage rooted in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. It is what made America "America", and obviously lots of people desired to assimilate themselves to it because they found it attractive. The day "we" ceded the idea of there being a baseline, normal American cultural tradition was the day this sort of crap took root.
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Yup, we do not have "assimilation" like our immigrants of yesteryear adopted, there is this desire to establish foreign enclaves within another country's sovereign territory and the host nation is expected to bend over backwards to understand their language, customs and religions...a completely irrational and idiotic proposition, but thanks the the thought-control crowd on the left the evil pervrsion of the pc/diversity/multi-culti Hydra-headed monster is given sacrifice after sacrifice...and we are all expected to worship the beast!
I bow before no man and no beast! I say slay the beast!
::viking::
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Perhaps a bit of native politics also. The Sikhs have desired separation from
India and this could be some down home politicing designed to show the Sikhs
at home the ruling Hindus "really care" and are concerned for their best interests.
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Good point CO. ::thumbsup::
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The reason India has this interest is a testament to the fact that they're not really immigrants. Not in the conventional sense. Like so many other post-1965 immigrants in the era of "multiculturalism", they are more properly thought of as economic colonists. Their hearts and minds are with the nation and culture they came from, even if their presence here is tantamount to admitting things are superior here. They come for economic benefit, but do not have the emotional attachment to country. It's the same with the Mexicans.
This country had a baseline cultural heritage rooted in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. It is what made America "America", and obviously lots of people desired to assimilate themselves to it because they found it attractive. The day "we" ceded the idea of there being a baseline, normal American cultural tradition was the day this sort of crap took root.
An excellent and perfect description, Glock.
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Is this a little weird?
Cointel Not What It Used To Be (http://vault-co.blogspot.com/2012/08/cointel-not-what-it-used-to-be.html)
Even the simpletons in the press were able to trace this guy directly back to his psy-ops handlers. Poor. Just poor execution and planning.
They steered this guy into psy-ops before they discharged him so they could rinse him and set him up as a sleeper cell to support their disarmament program. These guys never let a good resource go to waste if they can help it. Somebody identified him as unstable and they fast-tracked him in his last year into the memetic assassin program.
What is weird is that they did almost the exact same thing with me in my last year of service. I guess they must have figured I was too retarded to invest any time in at some point. Once again, severe retardation comes to my rescue. You can talk about your casual absentmindedness all you want but for me there is no cloak of obscurity as effective as playing the retard. It preserves you from all kinds of predation in life. Who bothers with a retard? When in doubt, slouch and dribble. It is like taking an invisibility pill when you are around the humans.
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economic colonists. Their hearts and minds are with the nation and culture they came from, even if their presence here is tantamount to admitting things are superior here. They come for economic benefit, but do not have the emotional attachment to country. It's the same with the Mexicans.
Know Indians who regularly travel back to India. Have known Mexicans who regularly return to Mexico.
This nation wasn't built on the efforts of people who kept going "home". This was home and they worked to make it better. The current crop of visitors come and get what they can as if the United States was a giant supermarket where they can get what they want and the shelves will always be stocked.
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economic colonists. Their hearts and minds are with the nation and culture they came from, even if their presence here is tantamount to admitting things are superior here. They come for economic benefit, but do not have the emotional attachment to country. It's the same with the Mexicans.
Know Indians who regularly travel back to India. Have known Mexicans who regularly return to Mexico.
This nation wasn't built on the efforts of people who kept going "home". This was home and they worked to make it better. The current crop of visitors come and get what they can as if the United States was a giant supermarket where they can get what they want and the shelves will always be stocked.
Exactly.
We are a country, or were, with its own border/language/culture, not a freakin' job market/program for the rest of the world.
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May maggots continue to infest Ted Kennedy's gin-soaked corpse for the immigration act.
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Ditto that G.
And the more I think about it the more I realize how right your economic colonist theory is, I can count people I've known from India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Liberia, Cuba and the Philippines who fit that definition!
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Exactly.
We are a country, or were, with its own border/language/culture, not a freakin' job market/program for the rest of the world.
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Since when? ::whatgives::
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Have to go back, what, 50 years maybe? ::whatgives::
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Exactly.
We are a country, or were, with its own border/language/culture, not a freakin' job market/program for the rest of the world.
Since when? ::whatgives::
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As I understand it, since before 1965, when the immigration laws were radically changed.
Background of the 1965 Act
On October 3, 1965, in a ceremony at the foot of the Statue of Liberty, President Lyndon Johnson signed into law one of the most far-reaching legislative enactments in our nation’s history, the Immigration Reform Act of 1965. The Act eliminated restrictive national origins quota that had governed immigration policy since the 1920s and extended to the people of every country on earth the equal right to immigrate to the United States.
First passed in 1921, the national origins quota had reduced the great tide of immigration that had been coming in since the late nineteenth century, mainly from southern and eastern Europe. The “new” immigrants, so different in appearance and habits from the earlier Americans, had aroused profound fears of a changed America—fears that were rationalized, though never officially sanctioned, in the form of a racial ideology that viewed the Nordic, or northern European, groups as superior to other Caucasian peoples.
By limiting the percentage of immigrants from any country to that nationality’s existing proportion of the U.S. population, the national origins quota was intended to preserve America’s ethnic composition. Renewed under the McCarran-Walter Act of 1952, the immigration quota limited annual entries from countries outside the Western Hemisphere to 158,361, 70 percent of which were earmarked for Britain, Ireland and Germany. Asian countries were limited to a token quota of 100 immigrants per year (although thousands more had been admitted as refugees). By the mid-1960s, when Congress was banning discriminatory practices against U.S. citizens on the basis of color, race or national origin, there was a growing consensus that it was unacceptable to go on excluding foreigners from U.S. citizenship on the same basis. The Immigration Act of 1965 can be best understood as a civil rights bill applied to the world at large.
... Senator Ervin argued that the bill did not eliminate discrimination, as its sponsors claimed, but only exchanged some types of discrimination for others.
... Specifically, Ervin contended that the bill did not eliminate national and racial discrimination from our immigration law, but only instituted a new form of discrimination against our traditional immigrant groups.
... Ervin: That racial and national origin discrimination, I think, is a very important thing for us to pursue. . . . The fact that the McCarran-Walter Act gives a preference . . . to those ethnic groups I have mentioned [northern Europeans), is the objection to it, isn’t it?
Secretary of State Rusk: Yes; as opposed to the others all over the world.
Ervin: Mr. Secretary . . . do you know of any people in the world that have contributed more to making America than those particular groups? . . . In other words, you take the English-speaking people, they gave us our language, they gave us our common law, they gave us a large part of our political philosophy. . . . The reason I say this bill is discriminatory against those people is because it puts them on exactly the same plane as the people of Ethiopia are put, where the people of Ethiopia have the same right to come to the United States under this bill as the people from England, the people of France, the people of Germany, the people of Holland, and I don’t think . . . I don’t know of any contributions that Ethiopia has made to the making of America.
The point I am making is, we discriminate every day in every phase of life, we make discriminations in law, we make them in our personal actions, we discriminate in our opinions . . . we discriminate by the girls we marry, choose one and object to the choice of another, or they object to us.
The only possible charge of discrimination in the McCarran-Walter Act is that it discriminates in favor of the people who made the greatest contribution to America, and this bill puts them on the same plane as everybody else on earth.
Finally:
I do not think you could draft an immigration bill in which you do not discriminate. I think discrimination is ordinarily the exercise of intelligence to make conscious choices. . . . we always discriminate, only the basis of it is different, each of us think(s) our own way is wise and right. . . . I think there is a rational basis and a reasonable basis to give a preference to Holland over Afghanistan, and I hope I am not entertaining a very iniquitous thought when I entertain that honest opinion.(14)
I urge a reading of the whole thing.
http://www.jtl.org/auster/PNS/PNS_I.html (http://www.jtl.org/auster/PNS/PNS_I.html)
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I was only 3 years off.
::whoohoo::
Now, fun time is over, on to the depressing article in question...
Immigration Reform Act....yeah, LBJ...that pompous statist bastard! Reform my pattootie!
Lied to by lying bastards from the get-go!
In his opening remarks, chairman Edward Kennedy dismissed the critics:
What the bill will not do: First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same. . . . Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset. . . . Contrary to the charges in some quarters, S. 500 will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and economically deprived nations of Africa and Asia. . . . In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think.
Kennedy did not merely say the critics were mistaken; he went on to discredit them as bigots—thereby establishing a pattern that the immigration debate has followed ever since. “The charges I have mentioned,” he said, “are highly emotional, irrational, and with little foundation in fact. They are out of line with the obligations of responsible citizenship. They breed hate of our heritage. . . .”(4)
Oh, and what has changed in the intervening years? Well, for one, anybody arguing for a return to sane immigration policy is immediately labeled a bigot, so that's the same for the past 47 years. For another, America was lied to by a Kennedy, not the first or last time that has happened. Flash forward 47 years...same sh*t, same lies, same labelling as racist anybody arguing facts and sanity.
We lost the war 47 years ago...will a few more years reverse that outcome? Seriously? No, I don't think so either, we know we are enormously outnumbered and our so-called side riddled with traitors.
(http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/governmentdemotivator.jpg)
(http://demotivators.despair.com/demotivational/hopedemotivator.jpg)
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At around the same time, Britain was also committing national suicide. Enoch Powell, a member of the British Parliament, made an infamous speech in 1968 -- the Rivers of Blood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivers_of_Blood_speech) speech. He was lambasted then and ever since, but a look at that formerly great country proves much of what he was warning against.
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Tiber...Thames...Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, Colorado...we gots lots of rivers to make bloody...
Oh well...