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Topics => The "Educators" => Topic started by: AlanS on August 18, 2013, 07:08:47 PM
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As long as you try hard..... (http://news.yahoo.com/obama-math-under-common-core-3-x-4-151805230.html)
Quick: what’s 3 x 4?
If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.
In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.
“Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.
When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.
“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”
Watch:
Quick: what’s 3 x 4?
If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.
In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.
“Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.
When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.
“We want our students to compute correctly but the emphasis is really moving more towards the explanation, and the how, and the why, and ‘can I really talk through the procedures that I went through to get this answer,’” August details. “And not just knowing that it’s 12, but why is it 12? How do I know that?”
Watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DW0VxxoCrNo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DW0VxxoCrNo)
Dumbing down the schools make it easier to lead the lambs to slaughter.
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Look here, we recited (chanted, really) the "times tables" all through elementary school. Every day. Starting with the one times one is one and all the way up through the twelves. There's no need today, for me, for the how and the why and "the procedures" or explanations, the answers are just there.
I hate these people.
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
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So these are the same dumbass liberals constantly berating conservatives as being anti-intellectual knuckle draggers, and how we need massive state involvement in education from pre-K to post-grad because, as they like to remind us, other countries are kicking our asses in math and science.
Letting the skulls full of mush move through the halls of learning with the idea that mathematical certitudes are subject to interpretation, that's going to make Americans more competitive in math and science?
You know, it's all about creating a climate where there is no right and wrong, and it's not just limited to the moral sense of right and wrong any more. They want a population incapable of discernment, and hence incapable of ambition or self-sufficiency. When you are totally dependent on the state, there is no amount of tyranny you will not put up with.
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I went to the same school for 1st and 2nd grade, a different one for 3rd and a different one for 4th. A couple days into 4th grade I realized I was supposed to know the multiplication tables. Somehow I'd never learned them. Fearing embarrassment I went home and in one night learned the times table. I didn't care how or why.
Soooo you don't need to know math as long as you can explain what you don't know. Perhaps that explains this in another IAL thread:
In what will surely go down in history as one the greatest architectural blunders, the town of Benidorm in Alicante, Spain, had almost completed its 47-story skyscraper when it realized it excluded plans for elevator shafts.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8703.msg104179#msg104179 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=8703.msg104179#msg104179)
Although I'm pretty sure the investors aren't going to care if you can reason to a faulty answer.
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the first time my kids used a calculator was for the ACT. Yeah, I was a mean teacher I made them use their heads and paper and pencil. ::bustamove::
from The Atlantic:
A few weeks ago, I wrote an article for TheAtlantic.com describing some of the problems with how math is currently being taught. Specifically, some math programs strive to teach students to think like "little mathematicians" before giving them the analytic tools they need to actually solve problems.
Some of us had hoped the situation would improve this school year, as 45 states and the District Columbia adopted the new Common Core Standards. But here are two discouraging emails I received recently. The first was from a parent:
They implemented Common Core this year in our school system in Tennessee. I have a third grader who loved math and got A's in math until this year, where he struggles to get a C. He struggles with "explaining" how he got his answer after using "mental math." In fact, I had no idea how to explain it! It's math 2+2=4. I can't explain it, it just is.
The second email came from a teacher in another state:
I am teaching the traditional algorithm this year to my third graders, but was told next year with Common Core I will not be allowed to. They should use mental math, and other strategies, to add. Crazy! I am so outraged that I have decided my child is NOT going to public schools until Common Core falls flat.
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This approach not only complicates the simplest of math problems; it also leads to delays. Under the Common Core Standards, students will not learn traditional methods of adding and subtracting double and triple digit numbers until fourth grade. (Currently, most schools teach these skills two years earlier.) The standard method for two and three digit multiplication is delayed until fifth grade; the standard method for long division until sixth. In the meantime, the students learn alternative strategies that are far less efficient, but that presumably help them "understand" the conceptual underpinnings.
link (http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/a-new-kind-of-problem-the-common-core-math-standards/265444/)
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This is just great......
In a few years, these dumbasses will be working in McDonald's, counting back my change. It won't matter if you get the correct change, only they tried to give you correct change.
And I can't wait til this new math takes over banks.
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
Or is it 4X4's? I could show my reasoning for that answer to the teacher.
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This is just great......
In a few years, these dumbasses will be working in McDonald's, counting back my change. It won't matter if you get the correct change, only they tried to give you correct change.
And I can't wait til this new math takes over banks.
Oops, too late! Neo-Keynesians love tard-math.
And hey, it's not just cash register clowns, I think these new-math morons are everywhere in government...
A swell exmaple - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-17/hyperwhoops-californias-other-bullet-train-project-verge-crashing-and-burning (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-17/hyperwhoops-californias-other-bullet-train-project-verge-crashing-and-burning)
Superior Court Judge Michael Kenny said the California High-Speed Rail Authority "abused its discretion by approving a funding plan that did not comply with the requirements of the law" and has failed to identify "sources of funds that were more than merely theoretically possible."
::hysterical:: ::rolllaughing:: ::laughonfloor::
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
Or is it 4X4's? I could show my reasoning for that answer to the teacher.
Works for me! ::thumbsup::
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All Haidl Obamamath (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/08/obamamath/)
Its only a matter of time before CPS is at me door with a warrant accusing me of using "improper methods" to teach my chilren to read and do math. I will ask them for proof and CPS will say - they can read and do math and any child that can do that obviously wasn't taught with the right methods.
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All Haidl Obamamath (http://www.imao.us/index.php/2013/08/obamamath/)
Its only a matter of time before CPS is at me door with a warrant accusing me of using "improper methods" to teach my chilren to read and do math. I will ask them for proof and CPS will say - they can read and do math and any child that can do that obviously wasn't taught with the right methods.
A ha! There's the "gotchya" comeback to them - "How do YOU know real reading and math from the right method of reading and math?"!
Watch, and enjoy the head-spinning, eye-ball rolling, sputtering...if it doesn't end in angry personal attacks and an official-looking scrap of paper shoved in your face I'd be surprised...but if the later happens it's and assault and you get to defend yourself and thrash the sh*t out of them.
"As Harvey noted, you take a total deficit of $16,699,396,000,000. Next, you increase that by $97,594,000,000. What is the new total deficit? I best you said $16,796,990,000,000. But, guess what? You’d be wrong. It’s $16,699,396,000,000."
::gaah::
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A ha! There's the "gotchya" comeback to them - "How do YOU know real reading and math from the right method of reading and math?"!
No, that is easy. Real Reading and Math leaves your child unable to read or compute. Since your child can read and can compute, they MUST have been abused.
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Why is this different than outcome based education, which have given us The Dumbest Generation?
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Why is this different than outcome based education, which have given us The Dumbest Generation?
It's not.
It's being perpetuated by people who don't know how to do these things either!
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A ha! There's the "gotchya" comeback to them - "How do YOU know real reading and math from the right method of reading and math?"!
No, that is easy. Real Reading and Math leaves your child unable to read or compute. Since your child can read and can compute, they MUST have been abused.
Yeah, but how do they know that?!
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A ha! There's the "gotchya" comeback to them - "How do YOU know real reading and math from the right method of reading and math?"!
No, that is easy. Real Reading and Math leaves your child unable to read or compute. Since your child can read and can compute, they MUST have been abused.
Yeah, but how do they know that?!
They know it because they gave my kid a test at school they they proved themselves proficient - thus proving that I abused them, because the schools certainly wouldn't have allowed that if they could have stopped it.
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A ha! There's the "gotchya" comeback to them - "How do YOU know real reading and math from the right method of reading and math?"!
No, that is easy. Real Reading and Math leaves your child unable to read or compute. Since your child can read and can compute, they MUST have been abused.
Yeah, but how do they know that?!
They know it because they gave my kid a test at school they they proved themselves proficient - thus proving that I abused them, because the schools certainly wouldn't have allowed that if they could have stopped it.
Still. You just proved that you got them! Obviously somebody at the school knew the real/correct answers, otherwise they would not be able to tell your kid was right, so you just proved that it is not impossible for the educators to not know the right answer and also that it is not impossible for a kid to not know the right answer, so their whole Common Core Crapola just got Melvin'd up around their ears!
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Trash. This is just trash.
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More trash (http://politichicks.tv/column/warning-graphic-common-core-approved-child-pornography/#szzVwfO3Cfo6lI5A.99):
Following are graphic and explicit excerpts from The Bluest Eye, which is on the Common Core’s list of exemplar texts for 11th graders. If you are easily offended you may want to skip them and go straight to the story. (Note from editor: Even heavily edited, this is still very graphic.)
Excerpts are at the above link.
Official reading list (http://www.corestandards.org/assets/Appendix_B.pdf).
From Rachel Pulaski at Gateway Pundit (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/coming-to-a-school-near-you-common-core-approved-child-pornography/):
... The Common Core recommends a book for 11th and 12th graders by Nobel Prize winning author Toni Morrison called “The Bluest Eye”.
... The Bluest Eye depicts detailed accounts of incest, rape and pedophilia as “friendly”, “innocent” and “tender”. The biggest issue with the book is that the story is told from the pedophile’s point of view so the reader can become a “co-conspirator” with the rapist. The author purposely did not portray the pedophile’s actions as wrong so the reader can “sympathize” with the pedophile.
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How much you wanna bet the kids forced to read that tripe will leave those same schools without having read the Iliad or the Odyssey? Crap from Toni Morrison and Maya Angelou is peddled incessantly as if it is somehow on the same level of the hard core classics in literature, and that of course is mostly a function of the fact that they are black woman authors. Our culture, and most especially the parts of it totally dominated by liberals, has become an absurd self-mockery.
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At times like this I am lucky to not have any kids...if I did I would no doubt be in jail for going off on these clowns.
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On the required high school list here is a so-called YA (young adult) book with a graphic description of a teen couple's "first time". My daughter at 14 had asked me to check it for her because she'd heard of others reading it. I wouldn't read this book.
Aren't people EMBARRASSED any more?
Yet when some parents tried to run for school board on this issue of the reading lists they were shot down by the arrogant libs who "aren't afraid to let their kids read".
My daughter loves the real classics.
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Aren't people EMBARRASSED any more?
Many are not, no, just as neither are they modest.
Speaking of, there's a hoohah making the rounds today about Miley Cyrus' ... er .... performance ... at some music award show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/)
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Aren't people EMBARRASSED any more?
Many are not, no, just as neither are they modest.
Speaking of, there's a hoohah making the rounds today about Miley Cyrus' ... er .... performance ... at some music award show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/)
Saw an article about that this morning. I've made a point of discussing Miley Cyrus in front of my daughter that still likes Disney tv shows. I want her to learn to be a discriminating consumer and not "like" someone mindlessly because you liked one thing they did in the past.
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Hannah Montana Does MTV, Rated XXX.
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Aren't people EMBARRASSED any more?
Many are not, no, just as neither are they modest.
Speaking of, there's a hoohah making the rounds today about Miley Cyrus' ... er .... performance ... at some music award show.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/26/there-is-really-nothing-theblaze-can-say-about-the-miley-cyrus-performance-on-mtv-last-night-that-will-smiths-family-didnt-already-say/)
No, they aren't embarrassed or ashamed because one of the central pillars of liberalism's assault on the culture has been to purge any notion of shame. Shame and embarrassment are the product of social judgment, and liberalism will have none of that (except their own brand, of course).
My parents talk about how in their teens and twenties people used to use the expression "shacking up" as a hushed term of disapproval for any cohabiting unwed couple. Now it's just the norm.
Yeah, it can go too far, and when it does you end up with a sort of small minded parochialism; but moving too far in the permissive direction and you end up with what liberalism always pursues, total nihilism.
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No, they aren't embarrassed or ashamed because one of the central pillars of liberalism's assault on the culture has been to purge any notion of shame. Shame and embarrassment are the product of social judgment, and liberalism will have none of that (except their own brand, of course).
Public figures who highlight and exhibit bad behavior in large public forums ( like Miley here) are admired, and lauded, mostly because they set the bar so very, very low for the rest of the tribe. They haven't purged Shame, simply restricted its use for those who don't genuflect to the tribe and instead expect themselves and other individuals to have personal responsibility for their actions. Such people are axiomatically racist, bigoted redneck haters largely because they believe they have a right to their opinions on such matters, and don't celebrate the bar being set so low. The only . Shame in the lefty fascist world is brought about only for refusing to be ONE OF THE HERD, for maintaining individuality and that individuals are responsible for their own actions and thier own lives. For the heresy of denying the proclamations about what is right and what is wrong made by the shepherd. By not wanting to be able to escape the consequences of bad actions; By not wanting to make others pay the costs of irresponsibility; For not perceiving WORK as the enemy, decency and civility as foolish and having the audacity to actually proclaim there is an objective reality not subject to the childish whims of the Statists you should be ashamed.
The Liberals ARE embarrassed. Embarrassed for YOU - for thinking there was such a thing as an individual. Yes, Shame is a product of social judgment, but by siding with the herd, they make themselves immune from such judgement - for the herd won't ever hold you personally responsible. Leave a woman to drown in a car, kill an intern, send pictures of your pecker out, join the KKK, womanize to your hears content, keep bribe money in your freezer. You are a Democrat - all is forgiven. They give you an alibi for life. They give you freedom from personal responsibility. Anything you do wrong is the fault of "society" and "society" should pay for it. Just like Filner's legal bills. No raindrop is responsible for the flood. No man is an island. No one exists without the tribe, and the tribe is all that exists. That is why they have no standards but the double standards.
The only person who lefties think should be ashamed is the one who points out all that is Bullsh*t.
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Catholic school superintendents in Illinois issued statement supporting common core.
link (http://www.ilcatholic.org/catholic-superintendents-issue-statement-on-common-core/)
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Catholic school superintendents in Illinois issued statement supporting common core.
link (http://www.ilcatholic.org/catholic-superintendents-issue-statement-on-common-core/)
Oh, fer cryin' out loud! They are lying, stupid or both! Goals never become curriculum? Really? Just like appeasement never leads to good men looking away when evil is done in plain sight?
Unforgivable cowardly betrayal of youth. They just announced they are complicit in further educational and moral decline. Sleep well much?
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Good news, I should think when a Fl legislator is combating this common core crap
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/30/florida-gop-lawmaker-files-bill-to-halt-common-core-82472?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+BizpacReview-TodaysStories+%2528BIZPAC+Review+-+Conservative+Political+News+and+Opinion%2529 (http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/08/30/florida-gop-lawmaker-files-bill-to-halt-common-core-82472?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+BizpacReview-TodaysStories+%2528BIZPAC+Review+-+Conservative+Political+News+and+Opinion%2529)
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Part of me cheers this effort...another part asks "where have you been on all of the other illegal expansions of Federal power?", a common affliction these past several decades...
:'(
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I'm not quite on board with everything stated here, but the part about schools being the equalizer and social justice.
http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/9/1/public-school-as-redemption-of-the-poor-and-black (http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/9/1/public-school-as-redemption-of-the-poor-and-black)
Seems to me that by taking away incorrect answers nobody is wrong, thus no one can be right and we are all the same.
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I'm not quite on board with everything stated here, but the part about schools being the equalizer and social justice.
http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/9/1/public-school-as-redemption-of-the-poor-and-black (http://alternativeright.com/blog/2013/9/1/public-school-as-redemption-of-the-poor-and-black)
Seems to me that by taking away incorrect answers nobody is wrong, thus no one can be right and we are all the same.
Seems to me Mr. Enoch has it quite right in all respects.
"Progressives" behave as though it is expected that "the White" -- middle class values, behavior and intelligence -- will impart to Blacks by osmosis. The intent is that all the benefit shall accrue to Blacks; whatever detriment befalls Whites is pfffft.
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I'm all for truth in advertising, they make manufacturers put all manner of labels and stupid warnings on their products because some busybody lifeless dogooder got the idea because of the excessively retarded and overly litigious jackasses that fail to use products responsibly...so, how about a warning label on Common Core that it is actually Communist Core and may not be suitable for the health and well-being of ANY children?!
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I like that idea, let's take it to the same ridiculous extremes too. Remember how some places were requiring pictures of diseased, cigarette-damaged lungs and other disgusting visual deterrents? I say pictures of mass communist graves, gulags, concentration camps. Post a visual warning for what collectivist authoritarianism does to the "body" of a society.
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Yeah, and if we have to be force-fed gruesome pics and footage of cancer victims linked supposedly to tobacco...fairness clearly dictates the same be allowed to be aired showing how a fetus is far from pleasantly removed from an unwanted womb, right?
Between the mass graves, gulags and tortured babies I think the appeal of leftist utopia would lose a lot of its appeal pretty quick.
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Yeah, and if we have to be force-fed gruesome pics and footage of cancer victims linked supposedly to tobacco...fairness clearly dictates the same be allowed to be aired showing how a fetus is far from pleasantly removed from an unwanted womb, right?
Between the mass graves, gulags and tortured babies I think the appeal of leftist utopia would lose a lot of its appeal pretty quick.
Picturesque!
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A friend sent me this link and I think the whole thing is worth quoting here.
“Few people really know what is at stake in this election,” said Teiro Cuccinelli, wife of Virginia gubernatorial candidate Ken Cuccinelli. “It is very important that we elect a governor who recognizes the importance of holding back the tentacles of the federal government.”
Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, the current Attorney General for Virginia, entered the national political stage for filing the first lawsuit by an attorney general against Obamacare. In the polls for the Virginia governor’s race, Cuccinelli currently trails Terry McAullife, the former chairman of the Democratic National Party.
Teiro Cuccinelli, a home schooling mother of seven, spoke to parents in Spotsylvania County, VA, Friday night about “the real Ken,” as well as her husband’s efforts to protect Constitutional state sovereignty, especially related to education.
Cuccinelli discussed the federal stimulus monies for education that—like a Trojan horse—have come with strings attached. Forty-five states have signed on to implement the Common Core Curriculum (CCC) that was part of stimulus funds. Although the Governor refused the stimulus money and the CCC, making Virginia one of the five states that has not yet signed onto to it, all students, including those in private schools and home schooled, will be affected by it because the SATs and other standardized tests will be changed to reflect CCC standards.
“The states that signed up for the Common Core Curriculum,” Cuccinelli explained, “were told—and it sounds very nice on the surface – that we are going to get everyone is on the same page. So if someone moves from Oregon to Florida, they are going to have the same education. Everyone is using the same books and all are on the same level, so it won’t be too difficult to transition. Everybody is going to be the same.”
“However, that is all the states were told,” Cuccinelli added. “So 45 states signed on to receive that money before they knew what was in the CCC.”
The Common Core, Cuccinelli continued, “was developed with no parental input, no teacher input, no administrator at the local level input. It was developed by Obama appointees in the Department of Education. In response to a public outcry, the Education Department gathered together an approval committee, which suggested many changes, but none of those suggested changes have been implemented. It is really rather shocking once you start delving into what this really is.”
“What is rather disturbing is a requirement to keep data on our children: 400 data points on our children from kindergarten all the way through high school. The data includes religion, political party, attitudes in the home, identifying marks on the body. It goes on. Why do they need this data? There is no provision to keep this information private.”
“As you start getting into the actual curriculum,” she emphasized, “it gets even worse. I have actually seen the writing program for the first grade. It reads (and I paraphrase): ‘The purpose of this program is to help children identify social problems and to use emotional language to motivate the reader to bring about the social change the child desires.’ Some of the instructions say things like: ‘Use words that generate fear and anger to get them to do what you want them to do.’ One of the exercises says: ‘My mom tells me to clean my room. My mom nags me to clean my room.’ And the right answer is ‘nags’ because it elicits anger in the reader.”
“I’m not sure if you have heard of Saul Alinsky,” Cuccinelli asked, “but these are Alinsky tactics being taught to first graders and they teach them all the way through to 12th grade. Many of the states that signed up for the CCC, are now trying to get out of it.”
Mrs. Cuccinelli closed by reminding those present that education is just one issue of many, but the results of this election will have a dramatically different affects upon the Commonwealth of Virginia and all of its citizens.
link (http://www.catholicvote.org/mrs-cuccinelli-why-is-common-core-asking-about-religion-and-other-personal-questions/)
and I spent sometime just reading about it so here's more:link (http://whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/)
I saw for the first time this 2013 document put out by the NCEE (National Center on Education and the Economy) that says OUT LOUD that it’s not important under Common Core to have high educational standards in high school; that it’s silly to waste time educating all high school graduates as high as the level of Algebra II.
No joke. They’re pushing for an emphasis on the lowest common denominator, while marketing Common Core as a push for “rigorous” academics.
Outragous, yes. But absolutely factual: this is what they are telling America: Read these Common Core proponents’ lips:
“Mastery of Algebra II is widely thought to be a prerequisite for success in college and careers. Our research shows that that is not so… Based on our data, one cannot make the case that high school graduates must be proficient in Algebra II to be ready for college and careers. The high school mathematics curriculum is now centered on the teaching of a sequence of courses leading to calculus that includes Geometry, Algebra II, Pre-Calculus and Calculus. However, fewer than five percent of American workers and an even smaller percentage of community college students will ever need to master the courses in this sequence in their college or in the workplace… they should not be required courses in our high schools. To require these courses in high school is to deny to many students the opportunity to graduate high school because they have not mastered a sequence of mathematics courses they will never need. In the face of these findings, the policy of requiring a passing score on an Algebra II exam for high school graduation simply cannot be justified.”
(Maybe Common Core proponents better quit using the word “rigorous.”)
So, the NCEE report goes on to say that traditional high school English classes, with their emphasis on classic literature and personal, narrative writing, is useless. The report says that Common Core will save students from the worthless classics with its emphasis on technical subjects and social studies via the dominance of informational text in the Common Core classroom:
You know when you were a kid and complained "when am I ever going to need this?" because you didn't want to do math or read literature homework? Well, those people are in charge now.
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You know when you were a kid and complained "when am I ever going to need this?" because you didn't want to do math or read literature homework? Well, those people are in charge now.
Hoo yeah, oh so this!
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Not so fast. I'm one of the ones that asked that question, out of exasperation. And, when putting down a new hardwood floor lo these many years later, I got my answer.
One of the problems with the "education establishment" is that they have no good answer at the ready, it's always generalizations.
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I should've clarified that.
Who didn't ask that as a kid?
But at some point you learn as an adult, working, that if nothing else, forcing your mind to think beyond your comfort zone is good in the long run besides the practical aspects. I'm teaching my kid to sew and I love teasing her that's she's using math because she looks at fractions and says the same thing.
So anyway, it's as if some of those kids who asked that are now running things and they're still saying who needs that stuff? They don't value it because it has no value in their life (or so they think). Because in a generation or two who will be building their homes and programming their phones for them?
(Math is as much about teaching logical thinking as it is about the mechanics.
But they're right, if all you want to do is make $15 @ McDonalds, I guess you don't need Algebra II. Or maybe that's why people want the minimum wage raised.)
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(Math is as much about teaching logical thinking as it is about the mechanics.
But they're right, if all you want to do is make $15 @ McDonalds, I guess you don't need Algebra II. Or maybe that's why people want the minimum wage raised.)
If that's your goal than you won't need that either. All you need is to enter cash tendered into machine and you get the amount of change if any to be given back. Machines for idiots that cannot count. ::bashing::
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(Math is as much about teaching logical thinking as it is about the mechanics.
But they're right, if all you want to do is make $15 @ McDonalds, I guess you don't need Algebra II. Or maybe that's why people want the minimum wage raised.)
If that's your goal than you won't need that either. All you need is to enter cash tendered into machine and you get the amount of change if any to be given back. Machines for idiots that cannot count. ::bashing::[/quote]
Neither can the kids behind the counters. I love to play with the snotty ones; if the bill's $3.78, I give them a $5.00 bill, they punch it in to the register, and then I say, "WAIT! Here's the 78 cents!"
Ever see a deer in the headlights? ::hysterical::
edited to fix quote box; IDP
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Neither can the kids behind the counters. I love to play with the snotty ones; if the bill's $3.78, I give them a $5.00 bill, they punch it in to the register, and then I say, "WAIT! Here's the 78 cents!"
Ever see a deer in the headlights? ::hysterical::
Even better, I'll give 'em $5.03. Their eyes, as the register tells them to give me a buck and a quarter back in change, are like a kid watching a magic show. How did I do that?
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That works, too! ::hysterical::
Those brats could not survive without the computer in the registers that tells them what to do. Wait until the big blackout occurs; it's not a matter of "if," just a matter of "when." Same thing for the schools with no more requirements to even recognize a slide rule for solving math problems.
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Neither can the kids behind the counters. I love to play with the snotty ones; if the bill's $3.78, I give them a $5.00 bill, they punch it in to the register, and then I say, "WAIT! Here's the 78 cents!"
Ever see a deer in the headlights? ::hysterical::
Even better, I'll give 'em $5.03. Their eyes, as the register tells them to give me a buck and a quarter back in change, is like a kid watching a magic show. How did I do that?
And then they wonder, why they only make $8.00 an hour. ::facepalm::
I remember a few years ago, local newspapers stopped printing te names of students, who made honor roll, because it made the other kids feel bad. Tough sh*t! If you want to make honor roll, work for it!
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Now there must be two valedictorians, too. One male, one female. If they're even allowed to be valedictorians; it offends the dumbsh*ts and their parent(s).
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Now there must be two valedictorians, too. One male, one female. If they're even allowed to be valedictorians; it offends the dumbsh*ts and their parent(s).
Oh good grief!
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There will always be private schools, and homeschools.
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They'll be 3 soon (the gays) and then 4 (the androgynous), and then...oh heck, forgetaboutit, we'll all be dead by then!
PS - Rick, just saw your newest avatar... ::thumbsup::
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::laughonfloor::
I really shouldn't be laughing at Ricks new avatar..... But it has struck my funny bone something fierce..... ::hysterical::
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someone say slide rule?
I have my dad's. He never showed me how to use it.
The big high school in our neighborhood has 5 honor rolls. 5!!
I forgot the breakdown--each has a name but it's like all A's, all B's and then various combinations of the two
99% of the kids go on to college--mostly the big state school where they continue the same education drivel they had in high school. So since there's no exposure to anything different they come out just as dumb as they went in.
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Re: My avatar
To me, avatars are like hot dogs. You eat them every day and eventually you get bored and sick of them. Variety and Scotch Bonnets are the spice of life.
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There will always be private schools, and homeschools.
Becareful there. Big Brother wants to outlaw homeschooling.
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There will always be private schools, and homeschools.
Becareful there. Big Brother wants to outlaw homeschooling.
they are constantly trying to do just that
Re: My avatar
To me, avatars are like hot dogs. You eat them every day and eventually you get bored and sick of them. Variety and Scotch Bonnets are the spice of life.
hahaha
But I won't change mine! It's of Mt. Vernon and I'll never tire of Geo. Washington!
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There will always be private schools, and homeschools.
Becareful there. Big Brother wants to outlaw homeschooling.
I have a lot of respect for parents that homeschool their kids. I couldn't it myself.
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There will always be private schools, and homeschools.
Becareful there. Big Brother wants to outlaw homeschooling.
I have a lot of respect for parents that homeschool their kids. I couldn't it myself.
Been homeschooling for 21 years. Honestly I don't how parents do the public school thing. I couldn't do that. lol
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
::thumbsup:: ...and since everyone knows that 2x4 = 88, that's how many whacks each will receive.
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
::thumbsup:: ...and since everyone knows that 2x4 = 88, that's how many whacks each will receive.
Heh! Beaten with their own math, I like!
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I'd rather these idiots be beaten with 2x4's.
::thumbsup:: ...and since everyone knows that 2x4 = 88, that's how many whacks each will receive.
Heh! Beaten with their own math, I like!
see, math is useful!
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I have always believed, in what you put into school, is what you get out of it. I have also felt that many parents don't get involved and leave it all up to the teachers. Paremts dom't need to be rocket scientis,but should do thhings with their kids outside of the classroom, like museums, etcLady Virginia, do you live near Jamestown?
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I have always believed, in what you put into school, is what you get out of it. I have also felt that many parents don't get involved and leave it all up to the teachers. Paremts dom't need to be rocket scientis,but should do thhings with their kids outside of the classroom, like museums, etcLady Virginia, do you live near Jamestown?
Nope. But my heart will always be with the original 13 colonies. And Geo. Washington.
::USA::
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I have always believed, in what you put into school, is what you get out of it. I have also felt that many parents don't get involved and leave it all up to the teachers. Paremts dom't need to be rocket scientis,but should do thhings with their kids outside of the classroom, like museums, etcLady Virginia, do you live near Jamestown?
Nope. But my heart will always be with the original 13 colonies. And Geo. Washington.
I love history! It is on my bucket list to do the historical 13 colonies.
::USA::
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A long time ago...after leaving ther Navy and going to college, I went on an Art & History tour out east through a program a buddy clued me into, he was a history major. We saw a lot and the goofy professor leading the tour got us special access to parts regular tourists don't get to see, like the Dome Room (undergoing renovation and I think the old stairs winding up there were a concern at the time) at Monticello. Saw Mount Vernon, Jamestown, several plantations, Indpendence Hall, Liberty Bell, Franklin's house & grave, Fraunces Tavern, Freedom Trail in Boston (Fanueil Hall, Old North Church, Paul Revere's home, etc) as well as seeing the House of seven Gables, Old Ironsides. Plymouth Rock, Mayflower. Lexington & Concord. Tons of places...one of the best trips I've ever had. Being a big history buff it was a blast seeing places I've only read about. Y'all have to hit some of these places while you can.
::thumbsup::
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A long time ago...after leaving ther Navy and going to college, I went on an Art & History tour out east through a program a buddy clued me into, he was a history major. We saw a lot and the goofy professor leading the tour got us special access to parts regular tourists don't get to see, like the Dome Room (undergoing renovation and I think the old stairs winding up there were a concern at the time) at Monticello. Saw Mount Vernon, Jamestown, several plantations, Indpendence Hall, Liberty Bell, Franklin's house & grave, Fraunces Tavern, Freedom Trail in Boston (Fanueil Hall, Old North Church, Paul Revere's home, etc) as well as seeing the House of seven Gables, Old Ironsides. Plymouth Rock, Mayflower. Lexington & Concord. Tons of places...one of the best trips I've ever had. Being a big history buff it was a blast seeing places I've only read about. Y'all have to hit some of these places while you can.
::thumbsup::
I've seen a number of those, some more than once and others not at all (Independence Hall, Liberty Bell and Jamestown). I grew up visiting a lot of historic sites. Not sure why we never made it to Philly or Jamestown. I've tried to get my kids to some of those places though it's been hard since they're in a lot of sports and my husband isn't much of a sightseer or history buff.
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http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/11/insane-common-core-forces-new-kindergarteners-to-bubble-in-test-answers/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/11/insane-common-core-forces-new-kindergarteners-to-bubble-in-test-answers/)
This fall, thanks to a combination of the Common Core State Standards Initiative and new teacher evaluations, some four- and five-year-old students in New York City are being forced to fill in bubbles on multiple-choice, standardized tests.
The kids are doing their level best on the tests, which cover topics such as numbers, shapes and order. However, it’s going about as well as you’d expect, reports the New York Daily News.
“They’re scared,” one unidentified teacher in Queens told the broadsheet. “They just don’t understand you’re supposed to bubble in next to the answer.”
The teacher added that the kids continually try to help each other get the right answers, which is not allowed.
A teacher in the Bronx observed that the kids don’t even know how to hold a #2 pencil, let alone use it to fill in a bubble.
“They don’t know letters, and you have answers that say A, B, C or D and you’re asking them to bubble in,” the Bronx teacher told the Daily News. “They break down; they cry.”
A Staten Island teacher offered still another comically sad vignette: “We said to color it in with a pencil, so they were taking out crayons.”
Couple things I don't understand that were not addressed on either page of this article. First, if the kid knows how to use a crayon, why doesn't he know how to use -- "hold" -- a pencil?
Second, as they don't know their letters, they obviously don't know how to read. How and why on earth is a written test administered to kids who don't know how to read??
How many pre/Kindergarteners know how to read these days? I never went to Kindergarten (now we know why she doesn't know how to play well with others), I went right into first grade, and I don't remember how old I was when I learned to read. I do know it came very easily; my Mother was/is a voracious reader and so was I.
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Ran across a quote from Malcolm Muggeridge (British journalist & social commentator) about "educating ourselves into imbecility." Or, if you will, 'dumbing down' - very apropos.
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I've heard a similar one, right off hand I can't remember who said it: Some things are so asinine only a highly educated person could believe them.
(paraphrased)
ETA: ok it was Orwell, and the proper quote is "Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them."
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In a critical op-ed published in the Wall Street Journal by Jamie Gass and Charles Chieppo, we learn that Stanford University emeritus mathematics professor James Milgram, the only academic mathematician on the Common Core’s validation committee, refused to sign onto the final draft. Milgram described the Common Core standards as having “extremely serious failings” and reflecting “very low expectations.”
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...David Coleman, the primary architect of the Common Core standards has become president of the College Board, “we can expect that SAT will be aligned to the standards. No one will escape their reach, whether they attend public or private school.” Even homeschooled children will be vulnerable to the federalization of public education standards.
link (http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-federal-takeover-of-catholic-education)
We've lamented the dumbing down for decades. With Common Core they've effectively tossed out everything that was left that was remotely traditional or classical.
I will continue to teach my children using the same materials I bought years ago.
http://www.insidemathematics.org/index.php/standard-1 (http://www.insidemathematics.org/index.php/standard-1) This site has a bunch of short videos showing how to use the standards in the class. (If you watch grade 2 think of Pan when you hear the kids' names. lol In grade 2 by the way the students spend time explaining to each other why they did what they did on their problem. They're not to worry about it being correct. In fact, the boy says he got 79 by adding 63 + 19) I didn't make it through all the videos. I couldn't take it. Hey, parents with kids in public school -- is it common to have the kids do so much discussion? How do they ever get much done?
Another site to "help" teachers:
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/acre/standards/common-core-tools/ (http://www.ncpublicschools.org/acre/standards/common-core-tools/) I randomly clicked on an explanation for 5th grade language arts standards.
For example:
Standard-1. Quote accurately from a text when explaining what the text says explicitly and when drawing inferences from the text.
"Unpacking" (what they call the explanation of the standard)-Fifth grade students are required to quote accurately from the text to support their answers. “Quote accurately” may include using their own words. HUH???
This one just makes my head hurt:
http://www.illustrativemathematics.org/ (http://www.illustrativemathematics.org/)
One thing I learned quickly when I started to homeschool 20+ years ago was not to buy the teacher's book (which usually cost 2 x the student book). I'm not talking about the answer key, I mean the book that tells you in excruciating detail how explain and how to access the student's work. Gee, if she gets that 121 + 43 = 164 what else do I need to waste time on?
Continuing from the same painful website:SBAC assessments are made up of four item types: Selected-Response, Constructed-Response,
Technology-Enhanced, and Performance Task. A description of those items follows.
Selected-Response Items (SR)
Traditionally known as multiple choice, selected-response items include a stimulus and
stem followed by three to five options from which a student is directed to choose only
one.
Constructed-Response Items (CR)
The main purpose of a constructed-response item is to address targets and claims that
are of greater complexity. They ask students to develop answers without suggested
answer choices.
Technology-enhanced Items/Tasks (TE)
Technology-enhanced items can provide evidence for mathematics practices that could
not be as reliably obtained from traditional SRs and CRs. Technology-enhanced items
may stand alone or may be a tool used as part of the Performance Task and/or
Constructed-Response items.
Performance Tasks (PT)
Performance tasks, the most complex of all items, include the following elements:
• Integrate knowledge and skills across multiple claims.
• Measure capacities such as depth of understanding, research skills, and/or
complex analysis with relevant evidence.
• Require student-initiated planning, management of information/data and ideas,
and/or interaction with other materials.
• Reflect a real-world task and/or scenario-based problem.
• Allow for multiple approaches.
• Represent content that is relevant and meaningful to students.
• Allow for demonstration of important knowledge and skills.
• Require scoring that focuses on the essence of the Claim(s) for which the task
was written.
• Seem feasible for the school/classroom environment.
The Smarter Balanced summative assessments in mathematics are designed to measure the full
range of student abilities in the Common Core State Standards or Core Academic Standards
(CAS). Evidence will be gathered in support of four major claims: (1) Concepts and Procedures,
(2) Problem Solving, (3) Communicating Reasoning, and (4) Modeling and Data Analysis.
Students will receive an overall mathematics composite score. For the enhanced assessment,
students will receive a score for each of three major claim areas. (Math claims 2 and 4 are
combined for the purposes of score reporting.)
Claim 1 — Students can explain and apply mathematical concepts and interpret and
carry out mathematical procedures with precision and fluency.
Claim 2 — Students can solve a range of complex, well-posed problems in pure and
applied mathematics, making productive use of knowledge and problem-solving
strategies.
Claims
Claim 3 — Students can clearly and precisely construct viable arguments to support
their own reasoning and to critique the reasoning of others.
Claim 4 — Students can analyze complex, real-world scenarios and can construct and
use mathematical models to interpret and solve problems.
Glossary of terms:
Item: the entire item, including the stimulus, question/prompt, answer/options, scoring
criteria, and metadata.
Task: similar to an item, yet typically more involved and usually associated with
constructed-response, extended-response, and performance tasks.
Stimulus: the text, source (e.g., video clip), and/or graphic about which the item is
written. The stimulus provides the context of the item/task to which the student must
respond.
Stem: the statement of the question or prompt to which the student responds.
Options: the responses to a selected-response (SR) item from which the student selects
one or more answers.
Distracters: the incorrect response options to an SR item.
Distracter Analysis: the item writer‘s analysis of the options or rationale for inclusion of
specific options.
Key: the correct response(s) to an item.
Top-Score Response: one example of a complete and correct response to an item/task.
Scoring Rubric: the descriptions for each score point for an item/task that scores more
than one point for a correct response.
A special thanks goes to Melia Franklin, Assistant Director of Assessment from the Missouri
Department of Education, for organizing the below item samples into individual grade levels.
Quite frankly, there are teachers today that can't add or subtract and they are supposed to know what the heck a selected response item is? They have to gather evidence the kids are meeting standards? Common on. Teacher's Ed majors in college struggle as it is.
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Ermehgawd, the whole thing makes my head hurt. If "Selected Response" means multiple choice, why not just say multiple choice?! This isn't language intended to convey meaning or instruction; it's buzzwords, codewords and jargon which generate my need to employ swear words.