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Title: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 27, 2011, 09:03:26 PM
Take a look at the explanation of the evidence at GatewayPundit and judge for yourself. I'm not a photoshop expert, but what this person is saying makes sense.

Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/04/critics-obamas-latest-long-form-birth-certificate-is-a-fake/)

Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 27, 2011, 09:20:51 PM

Whelp, it continues.  ::stirpot::

They were mighty progressive in Hawaii, my BC has both parents sigs, and and acknowledgment check box indicating that I was legitimate.


Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2011, 09:31:45 PM
Another forgery. They even say it's not an original.
they floated this out there to put as much distance between the disclosure and the election so that the next major catastrophe, and there will be several, will push this into the "old news" category.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 27, 2011, 09:35:18 PM
If this is a fake, they had to have known it would be recognized as such immediately. Which means Obama is basically telling the American people who have questions about his legitimacy to f**k off. Which would be completely in character.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Pandora on April 27, 2011, 09:37:58 PM
If this is a fake, they had to have known it would be recognized as such immediately. Which means Obama is basically telling the American people who have questions about his legitimacy to f**k off. Which would be completely in character.

Yes.   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Dan on April 27, 2011, 09:45:03 PM
Read some of the comments over at  Atlas Shrugs (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/04/gaslighting-the-american-people.html)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 27, 2011, 10:04:15 PM
If this is a fake, they had to have known it would be recognized as such immediately. Which means Obama is basically telling the American people who have questions about his legitimacy to f**k off. Which would be completely in character.

Yes.   ::pokeineye::

He's doing it, as Willie said, "for all the world to see".



Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: rickl on April 27, 2011, 10:21:20 PM
If this is a fake, they had to have known it would be recognized as such immediately. Which means Obama is basically telling the American people who have questions about his legitimacy to f**k off. Which would be completely in character.

Exactly.  I said at Neo-Neocon earlier tonight that he's basically giving us all the finger yet again.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 27, 2011, 10:53:44 PM

Linking from GateWay to Pamela to Sowell:

- - -> What Trump has that so many other Republicans are so painfully   
         lacking is the ability and the willingness to articulate his positions
         clearly, forcefully and in plain English. Too many Republicans talk
         like the actor of whom a critic once said, "He played the king like
         he was afraid that someone else was going to play the ace."

Thomas, Trump also respects his audience.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 28, 2011, 05:28:37 AM
OK. It's a fake. Let's move on.

Get up to speed about this fraud in the Oval Office who used Bill Ayers to write his tome, "Dreams from my Father."

Watch this:

Who Wrote "Dreams from My Father"? (1 of 2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6aElR-SR8k#)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2011, 07:40:25 AM
If this is a fake, they had to have known it would be recognized as such immediately. Which means Obama is basically telling the American people who have questions about his legitimacy to f**k off. Which would be completely in character.

Exactly.  I said at Neo-Neocon earlier tonight that he's basically giving us all the finger yet again.

He threw his disclaimer out at the start of his psychotic presser...he gave us all the finger, threw this bogus document in our faces and will just say "see, I told you they are nuts" whenever the issue comes up.  He manufactured his exit plan and will stick with it, no matter how many experts denounce this document as fraudulent.  We'll see how he can run from that.  More interesting to me is how he can run from the fact that even this forgery lists his father as a Kenyan citizen...U.S. Presidents cannot have dual citizenship...so he's in deep sh*t any way you look at this.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 28, 2011, 08:53:34 AM
"so he's in deep sh*t any way you look at this."
I don't think so, on this issue.
From Beck to Malkin to Levin...they continue to disparage Birthers as nuts.
None have discussed the issue that his father's citizenship disqualifies him.

What this does is marginalizes those who know this is subterfuge.
It does distract from the issue of total transformation of the country

And who is going to enforce it?

The courts won't hear it, the House won't impeach him and if they did, the Senate won't convict him.
Mark Levin says the courts have no authority to remove a sitting president
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2011, 09:02:48 AM
"so he's in deep sh*t any way you look at this."
I don't think so, on this issue.
From Beck to Malkin to Levin...they continue to disparage Birthers as nuts.
None have discussed the issue that his father's citizenship disqualifies him.

What this does is marginalizes those who know this is subterfuge.
It does distract from the issue of total transformation of the country

And who is going to enforce it?

The courts won't hear it, the House won't impeach him and if they did, the Senate won't convict him.
Mark Levin says the courts have no authority to remove a sitting president

Sounds like it calls for Sharon Angle's "2d Amendment remedies"!
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: radioman on April 28, 2011, 09:11:09 AM
Regarding the issue of his father being a kenyan, and thus making him a double-citizenship, which would disqualify him as a natural born citizen,

I have heard it argued that a baby born under those circumstances have until they are 18 to declare for themselves to being a double-citizen or not. He made no such declaration, thus causing him to default to single citizenship, natural born citizen.

now, I do not have a clue if this is a factual argument or not. Does anybody know for sure about that?
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 28, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
"I have heard it argued that a baby born under those circumstances have until they are 18 to declare for themselves to being a double-citizen or not. He made no such declaration, thus causing him to default to single citizenship, natural born citizen"

radioman, I've never heard that argument.
doesn't mean it's not out there, just never heard it
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2011, 10:36:18 AM
Section 301 of the INA [8 USC § 1401] defines the following classes of people as having US citizenship from the time of birth:


anyone born in the US and subject to its jurisdiction (basically meaning anyone other than a child of foreign government representatives with diplomatic immunity);

Indians and other aboriginal people born in the US;

anyone born outside the US, if at least one parent is a US citizen and certain residency or physical presence requirements were fulfilled by the citizen parent or parents prior to the child's birth;

anyone who is found in the US while under five years of age, whose parents cannot be identified, and who is not shown prior to his or her 21st birthday to have been born outside the US.

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html (http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html)


Damn!
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: AmericanPatriot on April 28, 2011, 11:16:25 AM
But, is that "natural born"?
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: OLJingoist on April 28, 2011, 11:33:08 AM
The rest of his records may show that he denounced his US citizenship. That is why all his documentation is important.
He continues to implement his agenda throughout our government. He has and continues to defy our constitution and on that basis he needs to explain to us who he was and who he is now, and how he got there. That is the part that is missing.

WHO ARE YOU

Edit: I went back and reread the article and comments if it is a fake I'm sure Donald Trump will put experts before the camera to expose it.
       This Kabooki (phonetic) Theater is yet to play out.
 
::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight:: ::slapfight::
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2011, 11:36:27 AM
Yes, citizenship by birth.  Probably have to get an immigration lawyer to comment on all the why's and whatnot's...surprised nobody has grabbed one and asked all the questions.  Guess that shows how much people really don't care.  I would like to see transcripts released.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: warpmine on April 28, 2011, 11:48:24 AM
But, is that "natural born"?
In fact, no. At the time of the constructing of the Constitution of the United States, the founders or constructors used the works of The Law of Nations, a 1758 work by Swiss legal philosopher Emmerich de Vattel which stated that a natural born citizen is one of which both parent were citizens of that nation.

Checkmate!

Of course our severely handicapped SCOTUS will do nothing with this information regarding the actual court cases of such matters because they just don't want to make waves in an already massive North Atlantic storm.
There, you see, the question of whether or not we are a nation of laws or men has been decided for us by unelected men and women in black robes that care little about the Republic. Can we start the war yet, after all, it's already been declared upon us by the political elite. ::gaah::

Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2011, 11:53:02 AM
"Can we start the war yet...?"

 ::guitar::
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: OLJingoist on April 28, 2011, 12:00:44 PM
"Can we start the war yet...?"

 ::guitar::

 ::rockets:: ::overkill:: ::guillotine::           
VIVA LA REVOLUTION
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: warpmine on April 28, 2011, 12:03:11 PM
What about that document number. Obama's forgery was 151-1961-10641 shows that he was hatched err born August 4, 1961 while this pair of twins, from the family Norlesbian, who's certificate numbers are 151-1961-1037 and 38 respectively were in fact born a day later, August 5, 1961 and filed by the registrar Aug 11, 1961 while Obamakov's was filed on Aug 8, 1961.

According to the process, the numbers are relavent to the time of birth and not the time of admittence to the hospital. A rubber stamp advances a number for a new certificate. Perhaps they can explain this discrepency, however, I have doubts that they can switch it now that the perverbial cat is out of the bag.

I'm aware that some here think Dr. Corsi is fruit but try to put aside your preconceptions of a man that provides footnotes and documents for his work.
Read more here. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 28, 2011, 12:11:04 PM
What about that document number. Obama's forgery was 151-1961-10641 shows that he was hatched err born August 4, 1961 while this pair of twins, from the family Norlesbian, who's certificate numbers are 151-1961-1037 and 38 respectively were in fact born a day later, August 5, 1961 and filed by the registrar Aug 11, 1961 while Obamakov's was filed on Aug 8, 1961.

According to the process, the numbers are relavent to the time of birth and not the time of admittence to the hospital. A rubber stamp advances a number for a new certificate. Perhaps they can explain this discrepency, however, I have doubts that they can switch it now that the perverbial cat is out of the bag.

I'm aware that soem here thisnk Dr. Corsi is fruit but try to put aside your preconceptions ofa man that provides footnotes and documents for his work.
Read more here. http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=292457)

According to something I read yesterday (can't recall where, sorry) the cert numbers were issued according to when the document was filed, not when the child was born. If you compare the Obama doc and the other one, the order of the document numbers do correspond chronologically with the filing date.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: warpmine on April 28, 2011, 12:30:25 PM
Then why was his number on doc given numerically higher than when it was filed by the registrar by three days. I can see this happening in banking but not with birth records. You're born, the cert isissued with number and you file it. If some baby was born a day later than you, expect a number greater than yours not lower.

I really don't think they give a rat's ass about whether or not we the public calim it's a forgery or not cause in their minds, they've settled the issue.  ::facepalm:: They've been called out on lies before and their media friends have covered for them, nothing will change.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 28, 2011, 02:12:32 PM

Karl Denninger Throws Down. It isn't debateable.
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - April 27, AD 2011 9:30 PM MST
Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c#ws)

Need More Proof It's Fake? No Problem.
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - April 27, AD 2011 5:53 PM MST
A professional highend graphics designer weighs in here:

Click here  http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73096 (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=73096)   for the objective, factual truth.

And a YouTube stepby-step here:

Obama's Birth Certificate Released - Proof it is Has Been Altered Possible Fake? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ2Gv_q-DJ8#)


Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 28, 2011, 02:33:34 PM
Holy sh*t. I have a terrible feeling. This is a blatant f**k you to the American people, and I can't think of a reason such a message would be sent to us except to signify that control has been assumed and there is nothing we can do about it.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: OLJingoist on April 28, 2011, 03:10:53 PM
Holy sh*t. I have a terrible feeling. This is a blatant f**k you to the American people, and I can't think of a reason such a message would be sent to us except to signify that control has been assumed and there is nothing we can do about it.

And Endgame????
We can do something. The question is do we have the courage
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 28, 2011, 03:13:01 PM
This is only going to heighten and give legitimacy to the calls for Obama to prove his eligibility for the Presidency. He'll refuse. Then what?
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: OLJingoist on April 28, 2011, 03:52:17 PM
This is only going to heighten and give legitimacy to the calls for Obama to prove his eligibility for the Presidency. He'll refuse. Then what?
We are definitely going to have to arm wrestle the poser and his crime syndicate. We may not win this one with America intact.
Hang On America We Are Going For A Ride. 
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: warpmine on April 28, 2011, 06:08:12 PM
 ::hysterical:: Told you I did, forgery.

First item I noticed during the video, the blurred crop vs sharp imagery of the safety paper.

The haven't learned a thing when they tried that stunt seven years ago against GW.

Technology is a wonderful tool but we must not forget that it can be used to dispell lies equally as it is used to forge them.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: warpmine on April 29, 2011, 05:18:52 AM
Yet one more tidbit amongst the controversy.

"It was as recently as April 11 that Michael Isikoff of NBC News, after a telephone interview with Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, reported Fakino confirmed that Obama's long-form birth certificate was half typed and half handwritten."
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: BigAlSouth on April 29, 2011, 05:58:18 AM
Corsi's take-down at World Net Daily:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292585 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292585)

I know, I know. World Net Daily. But it is what it is . . .

It does have the Isikoff link:

Quote
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: ToddF on April 29, 2011, 07:07:18 AM
Has anyone explained U.K.L. Lee yet?  Everyone, Republicans included, seem to think an obvious fake signature is no big deal.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 07:46:58 AM
Corsi's take-down at World Net Daily:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292585 (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.printable&pageId=292585)

I know, I know. World Net Daily. But it is what it is . . .

It does have the Isikoff link:

Quote
Before she would do so, Fukino said, she wanted to inspect the files — and did so, taking with her the state official in charge of vital records. She found the original birth record, properly numbered, half typed and half handwritten, and signed by the doctor who delivered Obama, located in the files. She then put out a public statement asserting to the document's validity. She later put out another public statement in July 2009 — after reviewing the original birth record a second time.

Is Fukino still above ground?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics/)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 07:47:56 AM
Has anyone explained U.K.L. Lee yet?  Everyone, Republicans included, seem to think an obvious fake signature is no big deal.

I'd say the WH beer pong crowd theory is the best leading candidate on that score.  Another Lord Obama FU to America.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 29, 2011, 08:00:40 AM
Has anyone explained U.K.L. Lee yet?  Everyone, Republicans included, seem to think an obvious fake signature is no big deal.

Yip. All media including the mainstream conservative blogosphere is treating this as a done-deal. No media mention of those who have parsed the document and found it lacking veracity.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Dan on April 29, 2011, 09:23:05 AM
We need to keep this front and center. None of the "establishment" conservative pres or commentators seem very interested in the obvious falsity of this worthless document.
Why?

We're gonna' hafta' take matters into our own hands soon.
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 09:55:40 AM
I'm having that dream again...

Tar

Feathers

Rail

 ::guitar::
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: radioman on April 29, 2011, 09:58:43 AM
Hey, I just received my social security check and it was signed by U.K.L. Lee!! I'm screwed now!!
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2011, 10:00:57 AM
Better cash it real quick before anybody notices!

 ::facepalm::

Nobody will notice...

 ::)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 17, 2011, 10:18:51 PM
New information via Market-Ticker:

Posted 2011-05-17 12:19
by Karl Denninger
in Editorial

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343)

Oh my, what do we have here?

Incidentally, this gentleman is right.  I missed this and shouldn't have.

View image of captured flaws: http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallery=1685 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?get_gallery=1685)

This is not in the realm of probability stacking any more.  The page portion here is curved as it is allegedly "scanned" from a book page.  The curvature is consistent with both the margin lines and the printed word "Sex."

The typed word Male shows no curvature in the baseline of the text; this is physically impossible if the word "Male" was originally printed upon the same page that was scanned.  Worse, the entire hospital name is straight while the text of the caption is properly curved at the margin - but not elsewhere.

Everyone has tried to explain away the various "coincidences."  But for this to have happened "coincidentally" the typewriter would have had to curve the text it was typing.

Sorry, but no.

2011-05-17 Birth Cert Smoking Gun.mp4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haiRCLItdEQ#ws)

Good site, Rickl

View this entry with comments
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343 (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=186343)
Title: Re: Photoshop Expert Claiming Obama's Released Certificate an Obvious Fake
Post by: rickl on May 17, 2011, 10:22:46 PM
I haven't commented on that thread, but the K does look a bit curved to me.