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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: Pandora on June 02, 2011, 02:55:31 PM

Title: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 02, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
If Fast and Furious was a legitimate ATF operation, albeit one that was less than successful, what’s the problem?

Here’s the problem (http://globalorganizedcrime.foreignpolicyblogs.com/tag/atf-agent-john-dodson/)

Read it from the beginning; this is but the last piece.

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It’s only a guess but I suspect that none of the agencies (State, ICE, DHS, etc.) that might have been ignored or mistreated via this ‘secret ATF operation’ are ready,  no matter how miffed they might be, to throw stones. Napolitano, Clinton and the rest, do, after all, work for Obama. They’re political appointees who are not going to abandon ship while they think it may still be possible to bail incoming out of the boat.

But what about Holder and Melson?

Will the White House succeed in holding the line for its team?

Could be. But sometime before that, perhaps we’ll get an answer to what I think may be the most important question in this case: did ATF end up working, directly or indirectly, with Mexican officials, Mexico’s military, the Mexican Federal Police and/or the Mexican cartels during the implementation of what has been described as an ‘cross-border sting’?

Was ATF a willing or unwitting collaborator with Mexico’s criminal actors, with the gunmen who murdered our own agents?

Mexico’s carefully calibrated responses to the exposure of Fast and Furious, its pr-savvy reactions, and past experience suggest this could be the case. And veterans of the US-Mexico drug wars, drug enforcement agents and intelligence operatives will all tell you what Mexico and the US government continue to deny: that nothing moves across the US-Mexico border without the knowledge and consent of the Mexican authorities, Mexico’s military and Mexico’s Federal Police. Or without these players getting their ‘cut.’

What do you think?

It’s a complicated story, with an out-of-control ending, but it looks like Washington, in this case, may have gone too far to accommodate Mexico City. And  the White House may have cut too many corners in the process.

It’s time to start connecting the dots.

We have an ATF operation that no one in Washington will acknowledge as ‘legal’ or  ‘legitimate.’ We have no evidence that the operation was conducted ‘by the book.’

We know that Fast and Furious facilitated the sale of at least 1800 semiautomatic weapons to cartel gang members, and we know that at least several of these weapons were used, deliberately it seems, to murder our own agents. We know that these weapons were thrown down at the scene of the crime by cartel criminals.

Why?

I can think of no answer except one: that the AK-47 used to gun down US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was deliberately left at his murder site (by whom? Cartel members? Mexican federal police?) to corroborate, for the US and international media, and for the world, Calderon’s claim that weapons illegally trafficked from the US are fueling the violence in Mexico. Wag that dog.

No matter.

Because whoever threw down that weapon made a mistake: he underestimated the courage of Brian Terry’s colleagues in US law enforcement, and the need of ATF Agent John Dodson, to tell the truth.

The only question now for Representative Issa’s Committee and the American people is—do we have the guts to listen?

H/T Leonidas @ Eternity Road (http://www.eternityroad.info/index.php/weblog/single/t19/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 02, 2011, 03:48:21 PM
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I can think of no answer except one: that the AK-47 used to gun down US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was deliberately left at his murder site (by whom? Cartel members? Mexican federal police?) to corroborate, for the US and international media, and for the world, Calderon’s claim that weapons illegally trafficked from the US are fueling the violence in Mexico. Wag that dog.

Or it could be the cartel whizzing on everybody's leg, they do have that attitude.

The article is depressingly spot on.  It will be necessary for Issa to sell this to the populous on the media, if it were not for this thread I would have said the committee was adjourned. From Chairman, "I will have 200 hearings", Issa, I have lost respect and expectation of satisfactory resolution in his pursuits.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2011, 04:15:59 PM
Wow, good link, and oodles of really good questions.  In a sane world everyone of these department heads and agency chiefs would be compelled to disclose everything, instead they are stonewalling and circling the wagons thinking they can wait this out.  I sure hope Dodson stays healthy and has some other people of conscience stepping forward to do the right thing, especially if they have evidence that has not yet been sanitized or shredded and the guilty are brought to full justice or you can kiss constitutional government goodbye forever.  This is the kind of crap that gets presidents impeached and removed if it goes up that high, and given the particular approvals that have to take place to tun operations like this it is not plausible that Duh Wun can get away with passing the buck!

This investigation must be brought forward come hell or high water, there can be no retreat.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 02, 2011, 04:23:50 PM

Randy Weaver settled for, what, 5M?  How many days did his story cross the front page or "World News Tonight"?
Expectations are low.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 21, 2011, 12:43:27 AM
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    Faced with a Congress hostile to even slight restrictions of Second Amendment rights, the Obama administration is exploring potential changes to gun laws that can be secured strictly through executive action, administration officials say.

    The Department of Justice held the first in what is expected to be a series of meetings on Tuesday afternoon with a group of stakeholders in the ongoing gun-policy debates. Before the meeting, officials said part of the discussion was expected to center around the White House’s options for shaping policy on its own or through its adjoining agencies and departments — on issues ranging from beefing up background checks to encouraging better data-sharing.

    Administration officials said talk of executive orders or agency action are among a host of options that President Barack Obama and his advisers are considering.


As there is a pattern of behavior to suggest that Gunwalker was not a botched law enforcement operation, but was instead an effort by U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department to carry out a subversive anti-gun policy of the Obama administration, it is pertinent to examine Obama’s past associations with anti-gun groups.

From 1994-2002, Obama was a director of the Joyce Foundation. Joyce is a progressive organization dedicated to “social justice,” and one of their primary areas of advocacy has always been the funding of gun control organizations. Joyce has long attempted to erode Second Amendment rights, and during Obama’s tenure as a director went so far as to try to subvert Second Amendment scholarship. Joyce gave millions to effectively buy law reviews with grants, and then used those reviews to publish only papers that attacked the individual rights interpretation. The goal was to so pervert legal scholarship that the scholarship would affect Supreme Court decisions.

The piece (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/mega-scandal-was-gunwalker-a-pr-op-for-gun-control/?singlepage=true) doesn't say which Tuesday when, but I'm not surprised that the Joyce Foundation/Brady are also possibly involved behind the scenes.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 21, 2011, 02:42:59 AM
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But the chairman of the Oversight Committee, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-CA, obtained emails which indicate the acting director of ATF and his deputy received weekly briefings on Gunwalker. The director, Kenneth Melson, had watched a live feed of a straw purchase.

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"At the same time they were damning gun dealers in public, the administration was secretly forcing them to provide weapons to the cartels, by the armful and without oversight. More than one gun industry insider suggests that the administration extorted cooperation and silence from these gun shops. As the ATF has the power to summarily shut dealers down for the most minor of offenses, that is very, very possible."

Sure.  Live feed converted to recording as proof the dealer was permitting straw purchases.  In what court is the dealer's defense of "but, Your Honor, they made me do it" going to stand?  If it even got to court.

Lousy, lying traitorous bastidges.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/06/melson-refuses-to-throw-himself-under.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/06/melson-refuses-to-throw-himself-under.html)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2011, 07:17:58 AM
This stinks to high heaven!  Holder needs to be put over a slow fire!  What moron can believe nobody in the White House authorized or knew anything about this?  Do department and agency heads have a fricken signed piece of paper by either Obama or Holder authorizing them to execute policies and and conduct operations as they see fit (A so-called "get-out-of-jail-free" card)?   If not, then there is a chain of command to follow all the fvcking way up!

Is this a fricken Rogue Regime or what?!?!?!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 25, 2011, 03:36:15 PM
And now... another murder linked to GunWalker. This is bad. Real bad.

Another ATF gun used in a murder (http://www.saysuncle.com/2011/06/24/another-atf-gun-used-in-a-murder/)

CBS News has confirmed that ATF Fast and Furious “walked” guns have been linked to the terrorist torture and murder of the brother of a Mexican state attorney general last fall.

Two AK-47 variant rifles were found at the scene of a shoot-out with the murder suspects. Sources say the weapons were part of the controversial ATF program in which agents allowed thousands of guns to fall into the hands of suspects trafficking for Mexico’s drug cartels.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 25, 2011, 03:47:24 PM
YES WE CAN!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 25, 2011, 04:17:09 PM

The cartelistos are deliberately dropping "known" guns for the Federales to find and identify.
An up your nose 3fer.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 25, 2011, 04:21:39 PM

Cross-posted from: http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1318.msg22453.html#msg22453 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1318.msg22453.html#msg22453)


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LINK (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/atf-agents-allowing-guns-into-mexico-was-a-catastrophic-disaster)
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“What we have here is a colossal failure of leadership,’’ Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent Peter Forcelli told a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing. “This was a catastrophic disaster.’’
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Gun-rights advocates, many of them in Texas, argue that the Fast and Furious case shows that most, if not all, U.S. weapons purchases were within ATF’s power to prevent. Most weapons in Mexico come from Central America or are sold to traffickers by corrupt Mexican law enforcement, they claim.
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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., called for a separate hearing to examine whether current gun laws are adequate to stem the Mexico-bound gun flow.
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The three ATF agents testified how at times they watched purchasers carry away loads of weapons and put them into traffickers’ cars only to have supervisors tell them to do nothing.

When agents protested, ATF agent John Dodson said, “We were told that we simply didn’t understand the plan.’’

A former N.Y. police detective, Forcelli said: “To walk a single gun is, in my opinion, an idiotic move.’’
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Senators Feinstein and Schumer, Monday, called for a reinstatement of Feinstein's assault-weapons ban which expired in 2004.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 25, 2011, 05:01:28 PM

Cross-posted from: http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1318.msg22453.html#msg22453 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1318.msg22453.html#msg22453)


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LINK (http://blog.chron.com/txpotomac/2011/06/atf-agents-allowing-guns-into-mexico-was-a-catastrophic-disaster)
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“What we have here is a colossal failure of leadership,’’ Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agent Peter Forcelli told a House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing. “This was a catastrophic disaster.’’
...
Gun-rights advocates, many of them in Texas, argue that the Fast and Furious case shows that most, if not all, U.S. weapons purchases were within ATF’s power to prevent. Most weapons in Mexico come from Central America or are sold to traffickers by corrupt Mexican law enforcement, they claim.
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Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., called for a separate hearing to examine whether current gun laws are adequate to stem the Mexico-bound gun flow.
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The three ATF agents testified how at times they watched purchasers carry away loads of weapons and put them into traffickers’ cars only to have supervisors tell them to do nothing.

When agents protested, ATF agent John Dodson said, “We were told that we simply didn’t understand the plan.’’

A former N.Y. police detective, Forcelli said: “To walk a single gun is, in my opinion, an idiotic move.’’
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Senators Feinstein and Schumer, Monday, called for a reinstatement of Feinstein's assault-weapons ban which expired in 2004.




 Screw them too!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on June 25, 2011, 06:08:16 PM
...Senators Feinstein and Schumer, Monday, called for a reinstatement of Feinstein's assault-weapons ban which expired in 2004.

Lib logic. It didn't work before, it wouldn't have helped this time, so let's do it. ::bashing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 28, 2011, 07:28:38 AM
ATF is terminating Cefalu, after being warned 2 days prior by Issa not to retalitate against whistleblowers.  Remember when demonrats made a big show about protecting whistleblowers during W's administration?  Yeah, we all knew that was pure political BS, and here's the proof in spades!

“My impression of him is that he has probably ruffled lots of feathers and delicate egos in his time. He is very direct and honest.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/atf-to-fire-gunrunner-whistleblower/#ixzz1QZaKH38G (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/06/27/atf-to-fire-gunrunner-whistleblower/#ixzz1QZaKH38G)

Yeah, sucks to have that type working in The Regime!

Issa better jump on this and shove it down Melson's face and get in Holder's grill about it!  Issue subpoenas now!

 ::cussing::

 ::angry::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2011, 12:46:20 PM
This continues to spin out of control while precious time slips away the guilty are busy shredding documents and getting their stories straight...there should be butts hanging from yardarm's already!!!

 ::cussing::

 ::angry::

 ::gaah::

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/07/06/justice-department-obstructing-fast-and-furious-gun-probe-atf-director-says/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 06, 2011, 02:00:37 PM
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According to sources, unbeknown to the ATF, the target of their operation was a FBI confidential informant, a fact that only became known to them in April of this year after an 18-month investigation that cost millions of dollars of tax dollars.

"They were going after someone they could never have," a source in Washington told Fox News. "The Mr. Big they wanted was using government money to buy guns that went to the cartels. The FBI knew it and didn't tell them."

The confidential informant is a former high-level drug dealer who had been deported by the DEA. The FBI, however, recruited him as a counter-terrorism informant, providing information on potential dirty bombs or Al Qaeda suspects moving through the border region.

The FBI informant was picked up on a DEA wiretap, and forwarded to the ATF.

Whaaat?!  What is this now?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 06, 2011, 02:52:38 PM
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According to sources, unbeknown to the ATF, the target of their operation was a FBI confidential informant, a fact that only became known to them in April of this year after an 18-month investigation that cost millions of dollars of tax dollars.

"They were going after someone they could never have," a source in Washington told Fox News. "The Mr. Big they wanted was using government money to buy guns that went to the cartels. The FBI knew it and didn't tell them."

The confidential informant is a former high-level drug dealer who had been deported by the DEA. The FBI, however, recruited him as a counter-terrorism informant, providing information on potential dirty bombs or Al Qaeda suspects moving through the border region.

The FBI informant was picked up on a DEA wiretap, and forwarded to the ATF.

Whaaat?!  What is this now?


 Good lord!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on July 06, 2011, 04:17:30 PM
I think I've seen this plot on tv.


 ::gaah::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 06, 2011, 07:42:38 PM

Yesterday, Steve Hays at the roundtable, alluded that it went further up the food chain than Melson, today they interviewed Grassley and he said he wasn't interested in asking for his resignation because it was caused further up the food chain.

There's blood in the water folks. The matter is; do the Republicans have teeth enough to go after the sharks?  Or are they going to gum it?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 06, 2011, 08:32:12 PM

Yesterday, Steve Hays at the roundtable, alluded that it went further up the food chain than Melson, today they interviewed Grassley and he said he wasn't interested in asking for his resignation because it was caused further up the food chain.

There's blood in the water folks. The matter is; do the Republicans have teeth enough to go after the sharks?  Or are they going to gum it?



 And here we are again hoping that the damned leadership has a set between them to do the right thing.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2011, 06:47:17 AM
Grassley is right.  This has to go higher than Melson, but The Regime is wanting to throw Melson under the bus...while Holder & Co destroy/alter evidence to cover their sorry asses...the time to press this hard is rapidly closing...the evidence trail is shutting down...
Title: Shock Claim: GunRunner Funded by Obama Stimulus
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 07, 2011, 01:43:47 PM
Links to bill content & prior posts @ FreeRepublic...

Operation Gunrunner was funded by the 2009 Stimulus Package (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2745149/posts)

Something about Project Gunrunner (gunwalker, fast and furious) has been bugging me but I just couldn't put my finger on it.

This morning when I woke up I remember seeing Project Gunrunner in a bill that was discussed here. The original thread about it was a rumor thread that HR45 had been rolled into the stimulus package.

In that thread I scanned the text of H.R.1 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 for gun, firearm, etc and came up with a hit.

I posted in the thread: "Only time “gun” or “firearm” appears is in the part that give $10,000,000 to the ATF for Project Gunrunner. That was H.R. 495, asking for 15,000,000 for Gunrunner".

H.R. 495 that I mentioned never made it out of committee, but it looks as it was to specifically fund Gunrunner.

Instead portions of it were rolled into the stimulus package a month later. That text found in H.R.1 is:

For an additional amount for ‘State and Local Law Enforcement Assistance’, $40,000,000, for competitive grants to provide assistance and equipment to local law enforcement along the Southern border and in High-Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas to combat criminal narcotics activity stemming from the Southern border, of which $10,000,000 shall be transferred to ‘Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Salaries and Expenses’ for the ATF Project Gunrunner.

Notice that's $40,000,000 for Southern border enforcement, $10,000,000 of which specifically for Project Gunrunner. What does $10 million pay for here? It didn't hire any new agents that I am aware of.

What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 07, 2011, 02:11:11 PM
This is what needs to wrapped around his skinny neck like a milstone till 2012!! Bastards!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 07, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
This is what needs to wrapped around his skinny neck like a milstone till 2012!! Bastards!

This ....

"What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was."

... is what they're trying to wrap around Issa's neck.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 07, 2011, 06:01:31 PM

Wrap this up, put a bow on it, and publish it. 
I've got an itchy recommend finger.





Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 07, 2011, 06:17:48 PM
This is what needs to wrapped around his skinny neck like a milstone till 2012!! Bastards!

This ....

"What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was."

... is what they're trying to wrap around Issa's neck.

From what I'm reading, the original concept (which the current form no longer bears any resemblance to) originated in the Bush administration. What they've apparently done is hijack a program to monitor terrorists and their gun-running habits and turn it into an outcome-based anti-gun propaganda program.

I'll eat my hat if any pubbies are shown to have knowledge or participation in this fiasco.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 07, 2011, 06:26:39 PM
This is what needs to wrapped around his skinny neck like a milstone till 2012!! Bastards!

This ....

"What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was."

... is what they're trying to wrap around Issa's neck.

From what I'm reading, the original concept (which the current form no longer bears any resemblance to) originated in the Bush administration. What they've apparently done is hijack a program to monitor terrorists and their gun-running habits and turn it into an outcome-based anti-gun propaganda program.

I'll eat my hat if any pubbies are shown to have knowledge or participation in this fiasco.

Yes; the protocols under Bush were stopping the straw-purchasers before they crossed the border.  Some of the R's may have known of that operation, but this bullsht?  I can't see it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 07, 2011, 06:38:12 PM
This is what needs to wrapped around his skinny neck like a milstone till 2012!! Bastards!

This ....

"What this tells me is that several congressmen also had knowledge of what Gunrunner was going to entail. This isn't just the ATF and DOJ. This is all levels and areas of government. Even members of the House and Senate knew what Project Gunrunner was."

... is what they're trying to wrap around Issa's neck.

From what I'm reading, the original concept (which the current form no longer bears any resemblance to) originated in the Bush administration. What they've apparently done is hijack a program to monitor terrorists and their gun-running habits and turn it into an outcome-based anti-gun propaganda program.

I'll eat my hat if any pubbies are shown to have knowledge or participation in this fiasco.

Yes; the protocols under Bush were stopping the straw-purchasers before they crossed the border.  Some of the R's may have known of that operation, but this bullsht?  I can't see it.

 Dumb as the pubbies can be I don't think they had anything to do with this. ::praying::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2011, 06:50:09 PM
Good catch 'Soup, I think you're on the money.

And as much as the Dem's would like to create Repub complicity to give them CYA it just isn't in the evidence...Issa needs to push this really hard.  This Regime is complete off the reservation on so many issues, and this one got a guy killed, this can end this regime if it is prosecuted to the fullest extent possible, but the kid gloves and play nice stuff has to end, they have to use every club in the bag and tee off on these SOB's!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 07, 2011, 08:41:00 PM

That proper prod you were talking about - somebody needs to figure it out and use it on no-Boehner and oh-Myth.

We've got a three ring circus of a circular firing squad, a tribe of cannibals, and a can of worms. 

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 07, 2011, 10:41:21 PM

43 “Fast and Furious” Guns Recovered in Phoenix Traffic Stop

VIDEO LINK (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/07/43-fast-and-furious-guns-recovered-in-phoenix-arizona-traffic-stop/)

Fox link (http://nation.foxnews.com/fast-and-furious/2011/07/07/breaking-43-weapons-phoenix-traffic-stop-linked-holder-s-gunrunning-scan)

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Documents filed in federal court reveal five suspects named in the case are accused of conspiring to possess and distribute "500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine..."...

Agents recovered at least 59 weapons during the bust. The ABC15 Investigators found 43 are connected to the Fast and Furious case with certainty.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2011, 06:44:04 AM

That proper prod you were talking about - somebody needs to figure it out and use it on no-Boehner and oh-Myth.

We've got a three ring circus of a circular firing squad, a tribe of cannibals, and a can of worms. 



A fustercluck!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2011, 06:48:35 AM

43 “Fast and Furious” Guns Recovered in Phoenix Traffic Stop

VIDEO LINK (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/07/43-fast-and-furious-guns-recovered-in-phoenix-arizona-traffic-stop/)

Fox link (http://nation.foxnews.com/fast-and-furious/2011/07/07/breaking-43-weapons-phoenix-traffic-stop-linked-holder-s-gunrunning-scan)

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Documents filed in federal court reveal five suspects named in the case are accused of conspiring to possess and distribute "500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine..."...

Agents recovered at least 59 weapons during the bust. The ABC15 Investigators found 43 are connected to the Fast and Furious case with certainty.



Well, I'm sure Obamakov is disappointed in this seizure, those arms were meant to slaughter a bunch of American's before being captured so as to give Obamakov and the rest of the domestic enemies the proper context to curtail our 2nd Amendment rights!  An enterprising DA might have a better shot at introducing evidence at trial documenting the complicity of the Obamakov Regime in gun trafficking and violence than our hapless leaders on the Hill!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 08, 2011, 08:03:36 AM
 Hey what's the problem with our government selling guns to drug runners? We neeed the cash!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 11:14:13 AM
Breitbart puts another log on the investigations fire:

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Darrell Issa blew the cover off what appears to be one of the biggest political cover-ups in the last 50 years. (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/07/08/eric-holder-feigns-ignorance-of-operation-fast-and-furious-now-but-he-bragged-of-overseeing-its-implementation-in-2009/)

Anyway, the problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation “Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.

Holder told the audience:
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   Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels.  My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.
[/blockquote]

One of Representative Issa’s staffers is on record saying: “[The Operation] ‘Gunrunner’ investigation points much higher than [the] ATF director.”

Does that mean it points toward Holder or Holder’s office?

Does 3 + 3 equal 6?



Read it all at LINK (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/07/08/eric-holder-feigns-ignorance-of-operation-fast-and-furious-now-but-he-bragged-of-overseeing-its-implementation-in-2009/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2011, 11:16:52 AM
I don't want just the log, I want both nuts in the fire too!

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 08, 2011, 11:59:20 AM
I don't want just the log, I want both nuts in the fire too!



 All I can think about are two words!!SCOOTER LIBBY!somebody better be going to jail!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2011, 01:49:59 PM
Breitbart puts another log on the investigations fire:

Quote
Darrell Issa blew the cover off what appears to be one of the biggest political cover-ups in the last 50 years. (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/07/08/eric-holder-feigns-ignorance-of-operation-fast-and-furious-now-but-he-bragged-of-overseeing-its-implementation-in-2009/)

Anyway, the problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation “Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.

Holder told the audience:
[blockquote]
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   Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels.  My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.
[/blockquote]

One of Representative Issa’s staffers is on record saying: “[The Operation] ‘Gunrunner’ investigation points much higher than [the] ATF director.”

Does that mean it points toward Holder or Holder’s office?

Does 3 + 3 equal 6?



Read it all at LINK (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/07/08/eric-holder-feigns-ignorance-of-operation-fast-and-furious-now-but-he-bragged-of-overseeing-its-implementation-in-2009/)


Relevant to this ^^ ......

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I've seen several claims in the past 24 hours that "prove" that Attorney General Eric Holder, or Congress, or the President, or the Pope, knew about Gunwalker/Fast and Furious because of a speech someone made, or because of legislation being proposed or because of a line item in the Stimulus bill.

I would strongly urge caution in these matters.

...

Gunwalker/Fast and Furious was a specific secret operation or project within the much larger framework of Gunrunner. A list of all operations with the Gunrunner program is not publicly available, but I would be stunned if the total number of projects wasn't several dozen, or more, with many or most of them being covert and unknown to the public.

Gunwalker and Gunrunner are not the same thing even though they are related. We have enough evidence coming in—at a pace "fast and furious," one might say—and do not need to make leaps of logic. There is no need to jump the gun or make wild accusations.

Justice will be served.

It's a Trap! (http://confederateyankee.mu.nu/archives/318531.php)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 03:40:46 PM

I agree the gun shouldn't be jumped but I don't see the trap (clueless)
and I don't think Breitbart playing counterpart to the AP is jumping the gun.

I don't see Issa (as yet) getting ahead of himself either, as much as I would enjoy him putting more pressure and more presto on the pedal.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 08, 2011, 04:45:08 PM

I agree the gun shouldn't be jumped but I don't see the trap (clueless)
and I don't think Breitbart playing counterpart to the AP is jumping the gun.

I don't see Issa (as yet) getting ahead of himself either, as much as I would enjoy him putting more pressure and more presto on the pedal.



There is some ambiguity about which Operation Holder refers in the speech he made in Mexico in '09 -- the one/s begun under Bush which were conducted differently (Gunrunner) or the illegal operations (Gunwalker/Fast & Furious) covertly run under cover of Gunrunner.

Incorrectly tying him to the wrong one will undermine Issa's case.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 08, 2011, 08:38:36 PM
Obama Knew all about it!!This goes all the way to the WH!!

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc#ws)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
Obama Knew all about it!!This goes all the way to the WH!!

Obama Orders Launched Fast and Furious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PNhYk9NuNc#ws)

"...to fortify its project Gunrunner, which is aimed at disrupting arms trafficing between the United States and Mexico."

To understand what this administration is actually saying one must hold a mirror to the words.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Project Gun Runner (Fast and Furious) was launched under the orders of President Barack Obama with the knowledge of Attorney General Eric Holder. Deputy Attorney General David Ogden announced the Obama Administration's new and aggressive 'comprehensive plan' on March, 24, 2009. The plan was aimed at disrupting gun trafficking between the United States and Mexico.

Full C-SPAN Video Link 3-24-2009
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor&start=800 (http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/MexicoBor&start=800)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 09, 2011, 06:29:54 PM

Attorney General Eric Holder’s “Fast and Furious” Testimony Begins to Unravel (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/09/holders-fast-and-furious-testimony-begins-to-unravel/)

(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Eric_Holder.jpg)

LINK (http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/09/holders-fast-and-furious-testimony-begins-to-unravel/)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 09, 2011, 06:43:42 PM
Arthur Brown - Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOErZuzZpS8#)


 Somebody is going down!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 09, 2011, 07:23:59 PM
It tires me and discourages me to say it, but can you imagine for a moment if this was any Republican president? Can you imagine? Good Lord - help us, because we are beset upon from all sides.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on July 09, 2011, 09:05:25 PM
It tires me and discourages me to say it, but can you imagine for a moment if this was any Republican president? Can you imagine? Good Lord - help us, because we are beset upon from all sides.

More than anything else, that shows that the media is the enemy.  They are pumping out propaganda on a par with anything the Soviet Union devised.  And I blame them more than anyone for Dick Obama's election.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on July 09, 2011, 09:07:17 PM
Under normal circumstances this would be completely impeachable.

I don't think the House has the stomach for another impeachment proceeding, however. The last one didn't end up so well. We won the battle and lost the war.

I think that the best thing that can come out of it is lots and lots of good campaign ads for next year.

And the best thing that can come out of that is a conservative president and a Republican controlled Senate.

Ultimately, as bad as this scandal is (and it's about as bad as they come...it has corpses) it is one more item in a very long laundry list of bad crap that can be laid at the feet of this administration.

I never thought that our country would ever have a president worse than Jimmy Carter but O'Bama seems determined to have the most corrupt and the most incompetent admin in American history.

And history will be a very harsh judge.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on July 09, 2011, 09:16:11 PM
Not incompetent, Trap.  Evil.  Obama and his Commie cronies are quite competent at weakening and undermining the very foundations of our country, which is their goal.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on July 09, 2011, 09:29:14 PM
Not incompetent, Trap.  Evil.  Obama and his Commie cronies are quite competent at weakening and undermining the very foundations of our country, which is their goal.

If they weren't incompetent they wouldn't get caught and look like total boobs. Evil? Sure, I'll give you that. I didn't mention it because it's kind of obvious. And destruction is easy compared to creation. Watch children take a clean house apart. But they can't seem to clean it. That takes adults.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 09, 2011, 09:40:58 PM

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on July 09, 2011, 09:41:58 PM
I don't think the House has the stomach for another impeachment proceeding, however. The last one didn't end up so well. We won the battle and lost the war.

The problem with the Clinton impeachment is that the wussy Republicans chose to go after him over a stupid sex scandal, instead of for transferring military technology to the Chicoms in exchange for campaign contributions, which was the real outrage.

You're right, though.  I can't see Congress impeaching the First Second Black President.

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And history will be a very harsh judge.

True enough, but that doesn't help us any.  We'll all be dead by then.  History has judged some of the Roman emperors harshly, but that does no good for the decent, hardworking people of Rome who suffered under their depredations.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on July 09, 2011, 09:47:46 PM

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 09, 2011, 09:48:33 PM
May they're afraid because there is an election coming and the don't want to make martyrs of them to the squishes and drive them back into his arms.After the election may be the time to turn the screws real tight and for now just keep putting it out there and club them over and over with this stuff.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 09, 2011, 09:48:43 PM

History begins the day a new president is sworn in.  May history show that on the second day warrants were served and those responsible were detained for trial. May history also show that the trials were completed and  severe punishment fit the crime was meted out.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 09, 2011, 10:07:26 PM

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.

Because "the media" is deliberately focused elsewhere.  It's Saturday and what was "the media" putting forth?  The Casey-whatshername trial; Fox News, and all the replays on XM Radio of the biggie talk shows -- Casey Whatshername.

You have to wonder why Hannity, Fox News, Andrew Wilkom et al. choose to focus on that instead of Fast & Furious.

It's sickening.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 09, 2011, 10:25:22 PM

Caught as in captured, arrested, no they haven't been caught.

They have been observed by, a so far ineffectual, body of Americans slipping socialist/Marxist ideology through the ribs and into the heart of
our governance.  However, the populace of America do not apprehend
what is happening or how it affects the future of our Republic.



Exactly.  They don't look like "total boobs" to readers of Time magazine or watchers of The View.  Sadly, those people are numerous, and they vote.

Because "the media" is deliberately focused elsewhere.  It's Saturday and what was "the media" putting forth?  The Casey-whatshername trial; Fox News, and all the replays on XM Radio of the biggie talk shows -- Casey Whatshername.

You have to wonder why Hannity, Fox News, Andrew Wilkom et al. choose to focus on that instead of Fast & Furious.

It's sickening.


 If I never hear her rffing name again it will still be too damned soon. Bitch All I want to see is that she died herself other than that nothin.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 13, 2011, 03:52:05 PM
Quote
"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control)

Cha-ching.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 13, 2011, 04:42:36 PM
Quote
"Internal ATF emails seem to suggest that ATF agents were counseled to highlight a link between criminals and certain semi-automatic weapons in order to bolster a case for a rule like the one the DOJ announced yesterday [Monday]."

Townhall has obtained the email which states "Can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same FfL and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks Mark R. Chait Assistant Director Field Operations."

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control)

Cha-ching.

SAM COOKE- "CHAIN GANG" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2XHYKWLGTg#)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2011, 10:21:01 PM
Nero fiddles, while fire marshal Eric runs around with torches lighting fires everywhere...then both feign ignorance of the destruction they've wrought...

Beyond impeachable.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 18, 2011, 12:41:53 PM


we need a special prosecutor. (http://theothermccain.com/2011/07/18/afghan-task-of-turning-the-u-s-into-land-of-corrupt-warlords-fruitful/)

Allen West: We need a special prosecutor (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/11/allen-west-we-need-a-special-prosecutor-to-investigate-holders-role-in-operation-fast-and-furious/)

As Mark Steyn describes it: (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/07/fast-and-spurious-atf-facilitated-sales.html)  "United States taxpayers were picking up the tab for Mexican drug lords’ weaponry in order that the ATF could identify high-up gun-traffickers. But, as it turns out, these high-up gun-traffickers were already known to other agencies — FBI, DEA, and other big-spending acronyms in the great fetid ooze of federal alphabet soup



Rep. Allen West Calls for Eric Holder's Removal Over 'Fast and Furious' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOSiSr973k#)


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 18, 2011, 12:46:59 PM
Heads definitely need to roll, but will they be the right heads and who beyond a good few people are going to push for it?!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 18, 2011, 12:56:28 PM


we need a special prosecutor. (http://theothermccain.com/2011/07/18/afghan-task-of-turning-the-u-s-into-land-of-corrupt-warlords-fruitful/)

Allen West: We need a special prosecutor (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/11/allen-west-we-need-a-special-prosecutor-to-investigate-holders-role-in-operation-fast-and-furious/)

As Mark Steyn describes it: (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/07/fast-and-spurious-atf-facilitated-sales.html)  "United States taxpayers were picking up the tab for Mexican drug lords’ weaponry in order that the ATF could identify high-up gun-traffickers. But, as it turns out, these high-up gun-traffickers were already known to other agencies — FBI, DEA, and other big-spending acronyms in the great fetid ooze of federal alphabet soup



Rep. Allen West Calls for Eric Holder's Removal Over 'Fast and Furious' (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqOSiSr973k#)




Heads definitely need to roll, but will they be the right heads and who beyond a good few people are going to push for it?!

 ::gaah::

Yes, we need a special prosecutor before they shred all the evidence.

Title: ATF official: I told the White House about Fast & Furious
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 27, 2011, 01:30:19 PM
ATF official: I told the White House about Fast & Furious (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20083772-10391695.html)

At a lengthy hearing on ATF's controversial gunwalking operation today, a key ATF manager told Congress he discussed the case with a White House National Security staffer as early as September 2010. The communications were between ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office, Bill Newell, and White House National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. Newell said the two are longtime friends. The content of what Newell shared with O'Reilly is unclear and wasn't fully explored at the hearing.

It's the first time anyone has publicly stated that a White House official had any familiarity with ATF's operation Fast and Furious, which allowed thousands of weapons to fall into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in an attempt to gain intelligence. It's unknown as to whether O'Reilly shared information with anybody else at the White House.

Congressional investigators obtained an email from Newell to O'Reilly in September of last year in which Newell began with the words: "you didn't get this from me."

More at link, HT: HotAir...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 27, 2011, 01:59:17 PM
If this doesn't bring down this administration, nothing will.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on July 27, 2011, 05:15:53 PM
I don't see how it can as long as the media are his loyal supporters.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 27, 2011, 05:25:23 PM
I don't see how it can as long as the media are his loyal supporters.

 And that's the problem. As long as there is no special prosecuter put out there they will play dead. I'm hoping that they're holding back for the election so the King gets slammed with it every damned day.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on July 28, 2011, 02:46:35 PM
It is a ticking bomb.

Only when some decide they have more to gain from bringing him down than covering up will they begin to feed on this....
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 28, 2011, 03:11:03 PM
I can't get one stinking lib to nibble on this subjest. They look they sniff but run the other way.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on July 28, 2011, 03:38:09 PM
I can't get one stinking lib to nibble on this subjest. They look they sniff but run the other way.

Because they can't obfuscate, spin, defend or deny, so they run.  Bloody cowards.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 28, 2011, 04:30:00 PM
I can't get one stinking lib to nibble on this subjest. They look they sniff but run the other way.

Because they can't obfuscate, spin, defend or deny, so they run.  Bloody cowards.

 Now you know I'll be there nipping at their heals till somebody screams,foul or at very least racist.I can't wait.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on July 29, 2011, 01:03:11 PM
I can't get one stinking lib to nibble on this subjest. They look they sniff but run the other way.
Change Lures (bait) ::hysterical:: ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 08, 2011, 03:35:05 PM

DEA now linked to Operation Fast & Furious.

It would appear that the DEA does not want to be the fall guy in Operation Fast & Furious*, either: DEA head Michele M. Leonhart admitted in a letter to Senator Grassley (Judiciary) and Rep. Issa (Oversight) that her organization was in fact involved in the investigation, and provided support for it. This is a significant admission by Ms. Leonhart, given that (as Bob Owens** of Pajamas Media reminds us) there is an existing allegation by the former head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives (BATFE) Phoenix office that the DEA was a full partner in the proceedings.

Read More ? http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/08/08/dea-now-linked-to-operation-fast-furious/ (http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/08/08/dea-now-linked-to-operation-fast-furious/)  Associated links and citations included.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 08, 2011, 06:05:58 PM
I just tossed COs link out to see if I can get a nibble.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 09, 2011, 06:47:42 AM
They're gonna have to go higher, and name names and provide documents...and the higher that goes the greater the resistance and lack of documentation increases exponentially.

Holder should be imprisoned and Obama impeached and removed from office and prosecuted over this.

Anything less is an injustice.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 09, 2011, 07:15:59 AM
The fact that we know so much but are hearing so little about prosecution, does not bode well. I pray to God that someone is building a case, brick-by-brick, and that this doesn't go down the memory hole.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 09, 2011, 07:32:55 AM
Amen!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 15, 2011, 12:16:19 AM
Per RedState:
Quote
...In other words,  there’s a serious scandal going on.  (http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/08/14/fast-furious-update-william-hoover-claims-exit-strategy-meeting/) One that promises to be messy.
full article at link

Anyway, this report from the LA Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110811,0,7349292.story) gives some more – both new, and interesting -  details about the operation.  To summarize:

  • Acting Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, & Explosives (BAFTE) Deputy Director William Hoover* is claiming that he called a meeting (which included members of the Justice Department) in which he demanded an early end to the program.
        This alleged demand was allegedly marginalized by the Justice Department’s (in the form of the US Attorney General’s office) need for indictments.  Any indictments.
        No indictments were brought down for almost a year.  In the intervening time, Fast & Furious guns appeared in murder scenes involving both Mexicans and Americans.
        Numerous BATFE officials insist that the Justice Department was responsible for delays, despite numerous requests for movement on either ending the program, or bringing in indictments.
        The eventual indictments took place in January 2011.  It is not explained why Hoover, or anyone else at BATFE/DoJ, did not blow the whistle on this beforehand.

…OK, that’s me being disingenuous.  A lot of these people didn’t blow the whistle because the Obama administration hates whistle-blowers, and January 2011 also – coincidentally, no doubt – was when the Republicans took back control of the House, thus offering people some sort of protection against reprisal.  Thus the various mechanisms and policies grouped together as being ‘oversight’ began: so, what’s the next step?

Why, it’s seeing who in the Justice Department doesn’t want to go to jail, of course.  That’s always a fun thing to find out – at least, it’s fun if you’re not the one for whom the question has a personal resonance.

Moe Lane

I hope Moe is correct, this is excellent election year tinder and an entre to convictions at the highest level.  

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2011, 06:40:43 AM
Not enough sharks...there's blood everywhere and not enough carnivores to attack the wounded...I fear the perps in The Regime are going to get away with yet another one...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 15, 2011, 10:18:04 AM
Not enough sharks...there's blood everywhere and not enough carnivores to attack the wounded...I fear the perps in The Regime are going to get away with yet another one...

 ::gaah::

 Right now I'm praying that the sharks are brushing and flossing so they're ready to go when the election draws near.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on August 15, 2011, 08:51:49 PM
Not enough sharks...there's blood everywhere and not enough carnivores to attack the wounded...I fear the perps in The Regime are going to get away with yet another one...

 ::gaah::

 Right now I'm praying that the sharks are brushing and flossing so they're ready to go when the election draws near.

I'm not holding my breath on that one. ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 15, 2011, 09:08:24 PM
Not enough sharks...there's blood everywhere and not enough carnivores to attack the wounded...I fear the perps in The Regime are going to get away with yet another one...

 ::gaah::

 Right now I'm praying that the sharks are brushing and flossing so they're ready to go when the election draws near.

I'm not holding my breath on that one. ::gaah::

Kelly's Heroes Oddball - Negative Waves (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ#ws)

   
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 16, 2011, 06:50:28 AM
"Crazy... I mean like, so many positive waves... maybe we can't lose, you're on!"

 ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 16, 2011, 05:18:10 PM

Is this some kind of cloaking device maneuver?

Link (http://www.latimes.com/news/la-na-atf-guns-20110816,0,3762843.story)
[blockquote]
Quote
The ATF has promoted three key supervisors of a controversial sting operation that allowed firearms to be illegally trafficked across the U.S. border into Mexico.
[/blockquote]



Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 16, 2011, 05:54:40 PM
Quote
Kenneth E. Melson, the ATF's acting director, said in an agency-wide confidential email announcing the promotion that McMahon was among ATF employees being rewarded because of "the skills and abilities they have demonstrated throughout their careers."

Good find, CO!  I heard about this yesterday and couldn't find a confirming link.

I don't know what to make of this except to say it doesn't look like these particular heads will roll.  For now.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 16, 2011, 06:26:52 PM
Quote
Kenneth E. Melson, the ATF's acting director, said in an agency-wide confidential email announcing the promotion that McMahon was among ATF employees being rewarded because of "the skills and abilities they have demonstrated throughout their careers."

Good find, CO!  I heard about this yesterday and couldn't find a confirming link.

I don't know what to make of this except to say it doesn't look like these particular heads will roll.  For now.

I subscribe to a local guy named Dave Workman: http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/dave-workman?CID=examiner_alerts_index (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/dave-workman?CID=examiner_alerts_index)

He is always right there with gun rights info and has been on top of F&F.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 16, 2011, 08:17:20 PM
Quote
Issa’s office (http://issa.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=890&Itemid=33&Itemid=4)  quickly responded to the NY Times story, demanding corrections

...

Are these two stories unrelated, or is this something of a coordinated Left Media effort to discredit Issa and deflect public attention toward him and away from his Fast and Furious probe?


Heck no, it's a coordinated effort to save Holder & Obama and hide Issa's hearings and evidence behind some big smoke and mirrors.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 16, 2011, 08:28:37 PM
Quote
Issa’s office (http://issa.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=890&Itemid=33&Itemid=4)  quickly responded to the NY Times story, demanding corrections

...

Are these two stories unrelated, or is this something of a coordinated Left Media effort to discredit Issa and deflect public attention toward him and away from his Fast and Furious probe?


Heck no, it's a coordinated effort to save Holder & Obama and hide Issa's hearings and evidence behind some big smoke and mirrors.



 They moved them up the chain sos they're harder to get to.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 17, 2011, 06:38:51 AM
No doubt all relevant documents met the shredder once the promotions came through.  They are dusting their tracks and making the trail cold.  Evil wins again...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 23, 2011, 12:26:51 PM
Not so fast .... (http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/04/28/wikileaks-obama-admin-lied-about-source-of-mexican-drug-war-guns/)

Quote
Remember when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder blamed America’s gun laws, and specifically the expiration of the assault weapons ban, for the escalating violence in Mexico? And this statement, from President Obama:

    “More than 90 percent of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States, many from gun shops that line our border,” President Obama said in February 2009.

That has been debunked over and over again, and the ATF’s Gunwalker scandal has become a running embarrassment, but Fox News’ William La Jeunesse takes a look at the latest intel from WikiLeaks and turns up something new. The Obama adminstration was well aware that what they were saying was false, but they said it anyway.

    Even though these facts [about the origin of the guns] were well-known by the Obama administration, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Attorney General Eric Holder, it blamed much of the violence in Mexico on U.S. gun stores. …

    According to State Department documents, in 2009 Mexico bought nearly $177 million worth of American-made weapons, exceeding sales to Iraq and Afghanistan. That number includes $20 million in semi- and fully automatic weapons.

    “Most of the M16s were sold legally to the Mexican government and disappeared,” Kartchner added.

    State Department cables obtained by WikiLeaks confirm that fear. One cable from November 2009 reads “U.S. law enforcement has fair reason to worry a number of weapons simply disappear… ”

    Another from June 2009 says, “Rogue elements of the Guatemalan military are selling weapons to narcos.”

So the guns that are turning the cartels into private militaries are coming indirectly from the US government. Those guns are intended as weapons sales and foreign aid, not for the cartels, but the fact is that the administration knew of this when they attacked US gun laws, gun brokers and gun owners. They lied to us, at us, to blame us for a war we didn’t start and aren’t playing a role in. Their intent is obvious: To push for stricter gun laws in the US. And they lied, repeatedly and in unison, to pursue that political aim.

Wikileaks.  Ya gotta love it.

If there is any Justice in this world, and there may not be, this will bring this administration DOWN.

H/T jpsfudimo
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 23, 2011, 12:32:10 PM
There is enough here to bring any administration down with insinuation and accusation alone. Imagine if this was the Bush administration.
 ::gaah::
Good God, some days I just want to create my own justice in the void.

With so much power willing to lie and obfuscate to such a degree, some days I just don't see how this all ends without mass graves.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 23, 2011, 12:41:34 PM
There is enough here to bring any administration down with insinuation and accusation alone. Imagine if this was the Bush administration.
 ::gaah::
Good God, some days I just want to create my own justice in the void.

With so much power willing to lie and obfuscate to such a degree, some days I just don't see how this all ends without mass graves.

It just might.  And if it does, they will be theirs.

Care to remember Nixon a bit?  It wasn't the deed, it was the coverup .........
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 23, 2011, 01:37:07 PM
There is enough here to bring any administration down with insinuation and accusation alone. Imagine if this was the Bush administration.
 ::gaah::
Good God, some days I just want to create my own justice in the void.

With so much power willing to lie and obfuscate to such a degree, some days I just don't see how this all ends without mass graves.

It just might.  And if it does, they will be theirs.

Care to remember Nixon a bit?  It wasn't the deed, it was the coverup .........


 Where the hell is the special prosecutor??
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 23, 2011, 01:42:18 PM
Pffft.  Yeah, right.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2011, 02:24:45 PM
Special Prosecutor?

That law only gets passed (with an expiration date commencing January 20th when a new Admin is ready to be sworn in) when there is a non-proglodyte to go after!

Siwwy Wabbit!

 ::slapfight::

Just wake me up when the revolution starts!

 ::whoohoo::

 ::rockets::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 28, 2011, 04:44:14 PM
Quote
Last month it was revealed that Columbus city officials were using the town's police cars and other equipment to run guns to the cartels.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/gunwalker-heard-about-city-officials-in.html (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/08/gunwalker-heard-about-city-officials-in.html)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on August 28, 2011, 05:01:52 PM
Okay, so the ATF wasn't too swift on this gun thing.

It's all kind of balanced out by the kick butt action against Gibson guitars (and the concurrent media coverage), though. I sure am glad that the feds are there making the world safe for guitars. Helps me sleep at night.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on August 28, 2011, 05:06:27 PM
BTW, as this story (http://nation.foxnews.com/gibson-guitars/2011/08/28/ceo-gibson-guitar-republican-donor-democrat-competitor-uses-same-wood) more than emphasizes, the CEO of Gibson is a (gasp) Republican donor. That's a crime right there, I don't care who you are.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on August 30, 2011, 09:11:15 PM
The acting ATF Director gets reassigned.........

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/30/sources-atf-director-to-be-reassigned-amid-fast-and-furious-uproar/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/30/sources-atf-director-to-be-reassigned-amid-fast-and-furious-uproar/)


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Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson has been reassigned to a lesser post in the Justice Department and the U.S. attorney for Arizona was also pushed out Tuesday as fallout from Operation Fast and Furious reached new heights.

Melson's step down from his role as head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to the position of senior adviser on forensic science in the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Programs is effective by close of business Tuesday, administration officials announced. U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota B. Todd Jones will replace Melson.

No trial, no criminal charges, WTF??
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 30, 2011, 09:18:06 PM

Isn't he the fellow who requested a meeting with Issa, showed up with a private lawyer, and spilled the beans on Holder and o?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 30, 2011, 09:38:07 PM

Isn't he the fellow who requested a meeting with Issa, showed up with a private lawyer, and spilled the beans on Holder and o?



 They made their deal. Bastards are putting all these people behing as many shields as possible.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on August 30, 2011, 09:38:27 PM

Isn't he the fellow who requested a meeting with Issa, showed up with a private lawyer, and spilled the beans on Holder and o?



Yes!!  And on July 4th no less!

I have no idea how to figure out who is on what side anymore.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 30, 2011, 09:42:25 PM

Isn't he the fellow who requested a meeting with Issa, showed up with a private lawyer, and spilled the beans on Holder and o?



Yes!!  And on July 4th no less!

I have no idea how to figure out who is on what side anymore.

Is that impeachment I smell? ::rubs-hands::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 30, 2011, 10:05:30 PM

Isn't he the fellow who requested a meeting with Issa, showed up with a private lawyer, and spilled the beans on Holder and o?



Yes!!  And on July 4th no less!

I have no idea how to figure out who is on what side anymore.

Is that impeachment I smell? ::rubs-hands::



 I don't think so but you do have a scandal brewing that's seems to be coming to a head just before the election.Failing that an impeachment would be nice.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2011, 06:36:45 AM
Until Issa starts shooting subpoenas all over DC this trail will get colder and colder...and Obama & Co will play it up in the MFM as a witchhunt for the lack of proof!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 02, 2011, 08:46:18 PM
Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?


Link (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/02/white-house-gunrunner-investigation/)

[blockquote]
Quote
The L.A. Times reports White House officials may have known more about the botched Fast and Furious federal gunrunning operation than previously reported. Emails obtained by the Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20110902,0,7480365.story?track=rss) show senior White House national security official Kevin O’Reilly discussing details of the gun-tracking investigation with the operation’s supervisor William Newell, before the program became public:
[/blockquote]



Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 02, 2011, 08:50:59 PM
"Today, a White House spokesman said the email was not about Fast and Furious, but about other gun trafficking efforts. The spokesman also said he didn’t know what Newell was referring to when he said he’d spoken to O’Reilly about Fast and Furious."


 If he doesn't know what he was refering to how does he know what wasn't about?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 02, 2011, 09:23:38 PM
LIAR!!

Fer crissake; they think we're fcking stoopit!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 02, 2011, 10:16:31 PM
LIAR!!

Fer crissake; they think we're fcking stoopit!

 They know we won't believe a word of it it's for their defenders to have something to work with and believe.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 06, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
Spread to Indiana (http://barnhardt.biz/), but with a twist -- guns walked, not into Mexico, but into gang-hands.

Quote
Obama Regime Arming U.S. Street Gangs via ATF

Posted by Ann Barnhardt - September 6, AD 2011 12:26 PM MST

I didn't compose that headline lightly. The "Gunwalking" isn't limited to Mexico and Honduras, guys. I said this earlier - EVERY ATF office needs to be torn to pieces looking for "gunwalking" because this is how the Obama regime could arm their "army" of street gangs and muslims. I specifically said that the Detroit and Chicago offices needed to be scrutinized. And sure enough, David Codrea is breaking the story today that the Indiana office has indeed been intentionally walking guns to Chicago street gangs - not "could arm" but "HAS ARMED". Look at a map. Indiana is sitting immediately between Chicago and Detroit.

And by the way, the Chicago office head Andrew Traver - who HAD to have known all about the Indiana operation - is getting ready to be installed the head of the ATF in Washington.

I'm telling you, buy long guns and ammo NOW. Obama is going to do everything he can to bait a civil war. We now have proof that he is arming inner-city gangs.

Pass this link far and wide. I'll Tweet both links as well.

Full story at Sipsey Street Irregulars

URL to Codrea's piece:

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-documents-indicate-atf-fbi-allowed-indiana-crime-gun-sales (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-documents-indicate-atf-fbi-allowed-indiana-crime-gun-sales)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 06, 2011, 03:53:41 PM
Quote

[blockquote]
Quote
Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).
[/blockquote]


Isn't this a double felony? ::buggering::
                    ::unknowncomic::


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 06, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
There was a good, long, revealing expose on Fox News a night or two ago. This isn't going to go away. If they try to ignore it, it WILL become campaign fodder, and Obama's failure to address this and fire Holder and the rest will be hung around his neck like a millstone.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on September 06, 2011, 08:34:00 PM
[quote author=IronDioPriest link=topic=1730.msg30901#msg30901 date=1315342838......and Obama's failure to address this and fire Holder and the rest will be hung around his neck like a millstone.
[/quote]

If that's what it takes to get rid of him.......... ::praying::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 06, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
Any other Regime...

 ::gaah::
Title: Holder Now On Record: I knew nothing of F & F
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 08, 2011, 07:26:47 AM
OK Issa, you're up. Make him choke on it.

Holder Denies Prior Knowledge of 'Fast and Furious' (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/holder-denies-prior-knowledge-fast-and-furious/)

The head of the U.S. Justice Department launched his strongest personal defense yet in the growing furor over Operation Fast and Furious, the controversial sting targeting Mexican drug cartels and American gunrunners.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said for the first time that not only he but also other higher-ups at the Justice Department were not aware of the operation as it was being carried out...

..."The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters at an unrelated press conference in Washington. "It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."

More @ FoxNews... (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/holder-denies-prior-knowledge-fast-and-furious/#ixzz1XMaEAoDY)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 08, 2011, 09:00:01 AM
" .....not aware of the operation as it was being carried out... "

Escape clause.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2011, 11:30:30 AM
Don't want an escape clause!

I want sharp claws!!!

On throats!

 ::angry::
Title: Re: Holder Now On Record: I knew nothing of F & F
Post by: John Florida on September 08, 2011, 07:56:10 PM
OK Issa, you're up. Make him choke on it.

Holder Denies Prior Knowledge of 'Fast and Furious' (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/holder-denies-prior-knowledge-fast-and-furious/)

The head of the U.S. Justice Department launched his strongest personal defense yet in the growing furor over Operation Fast and Furious, the controversial sting targeting Mexican drug cartels and American gunrunners.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said for the first time that not only he but also other higher-ups at the Justice Department were not aware of the operation as it was being carried out...

..."The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters at an unrelated press conference in Washington. "It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."

More @ FoxNews... (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/07/holder-denies-prior-knowledge-fast-and-furious/#ixzz1XMaEAoDY)



beverly hills cop: the heat is on! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMVsnxcuDWE#)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 08, 2011, 07:59:37 PM

HA, listening to this and Levin at the same time, great.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 08, 2011, 10:11:21 PM

HA, listening to this and Levin at the same time, great.



 I does work doesn't it? ::danceban::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: rickl on September 08, 2011, 11:31:20 PM
A White House 'Gunrunner'? (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/584023/201109071801/A-White-House-Gunrunner-.htm)

Quote
Operation Gunwalker, the rogue ATF operation to arm Mexico's cartels, extends now to three White House officials. A bell goes off with the one named Dan Restrepo.

Late last Friday, CBS News and the Los Angeles Times almost buried the news that Restrepo, the National Security Council's top man for Latin America, and two other officials, were in on ATF memos from the Gunwalker operation called "Fast and Furious."

That blows apart White House claims that it had no idea the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was encouraging frontmen for Mexico's cartels to buy weapons from U.S. gun dealers — to "trace" them afterward.

Some 2,000 U.S. guns were sold in Gunwalker but simply disappeared — until they turned up at massacres in Mexico and at the murder scenes of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata.

But outgoing ATF acting director Ken Melson and others who've been the fall guys in this scandal darkly hint that their orders came from the White House, and domestic critics think Gunwalker can only be explained as a White House bid to boost support for gun control. Restrepo's involvement distinctly raises both possibilities.

Restrepo is a political operative whose interests are more domestic than Latin American. As a result, he's botched every Latin American operation he's had his hand in, appeasing enemies and blaming the U.S.:

• Honduras: In 2009, Restrepo was behind a U.S. bid to swiftly declare Honduras' constitutional ouster of its president "a coup" and sanctioned the country, playing into the hands of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who had attempted to make Honduras a colony.

• Cuba: Restrepo was behind loosening sanctions on Castro's Cuba, which has emboldened the regime to act against Americans. While Castro imprisoned Alan Gross, a U.S. contractor who was distributing satellite phones to dissidents, the Obama administration said nothing.

• Colombia: Its troops captured drug "kingpin of kingpins" Walid Makled, who had extensive knowledge of Venezuelan official involvement in trafficking. U.S. attorneys wanted him extradited, but Colombia's President Juan Manuel Santos said President Obama never asked. When IBD asked Restrepo whether he advised Obama to ask, Restrepo defensively said he did. But that's at odds with what Santos said.

• Venezuela: Treasury Department officials complained Restrepo kept names of high-ranking Venezuelan officials with ties to drug dealers off its "Kingpin List," in a naive effort to keep pressure off Chavez.

• Now Restrepo tries to pin Mexico's drug war not on Hugo Chavez's trafficker allies, but on gun dealers from the U.S.

There's little doubt that's his line, because blaming U.S. gun dealers and calling for a U.S. assault weapon ban were his ideas from his days spent at the Center for American Progress, an Obama-linked think tank.

The U.S. "will work to inhibit the flow of weapons ... across our border," Restrepo told Mexican media.

Meanwhile, when Obama met with Mexico's President Felipe Calderon, both erroneously declared that U.S. weapons fueled Mexico's drug war — on Restrepo's advice.

Blogger Mike Vanderbroegh thinks that if Restrepo wasn't the author of Gunwalker he'd know who is and should be called to tell Congress. Either he's kept Obama in the dark about Gunwalker, or Obama should be impeached.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 09, 2011, 12:56:32 AM
ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?

A White House 'Gunrunner'? (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/584023/201109071801/A-White-House-Gunrunner-.htm)

Quote
Operation Gunwalker, the rogue ATF operation to arm Mexico's cartels, extends now to three White House officials. A bell goes off with the one named Dan Restrepo.

Late last Friday, CBS News and the Los Angeles Times almost buried the news that Restrepo, the National Security Council's top man for Latin America, and two other officials, were in on ATF memos from the Gunwalker operation called "Fast and Furious."

That blows apart White House claims that it had no idea the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was encouraging frontmen for Mexico's cartels to buy weapons from U.S. gun dealers — to "trace" them afterward.

Some 2,000 U.S. guns were sold in Gunwalker but simply disappeared — until they turned up at massacres in Mexico and at the murder scenes of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata.

But outgoing ATF acting director Ken Melson and others who've been the fall guys in this scandal darkly hint that their orders came from the White House, and domestic critics think Gunwalker can only be explained as a White House bid to boost support for gun control. Restrepo's involvement distinctly raises both possibilities.

Restrepo is a political operative whose interests are more domestic than Latin American. As a result, he's botched every Latin American operation he's had his hand in, appeasing enemies and blaming the U.S.:

• Honduras: In 2009, Restrepo was behind a U.S. bid to swiftly declare Honduras' constitutional ouster of its president "a coup" and sanctioned the country, playing into the hands of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who had attempted to make Honduras a colony.

• Cuba: Restrepo was behind loosening sanctions on Castro's Cuba, which has emboldened the regime to act against Americans. While Castro imprisoned Alan Gross, a U.S. contractor who was distributing satellite phones to dissidents, the Obama administration said nothing.

• Colombia: Its troops captured drug "kingpin of kingpins" Walid Makled, who had extensive knowledge of Venezuelan official involvement in trafficking. U.S. attorneys wanted him extradited, but Colombia's President Juan Manuel Santos said President Obama never asked. When IBD asked Restrepo whether he advised Obama to ask, Restrepo defensively said he did. But that's at odds with what Santos said.

• Venezuela: Treasury Department officials complained Restrepo kept names of high-ranking Venezuelan officials with ties to drug dealers off its "Kingpin List," in a naive effort to keep pressure off Chavez.

• Now Restrepo tries to pin Mexico's drug war not on Hugo Chavez's trafficker allies, but on gun dealers from the U.S.

There's little doubt that's his line, because blaming U.S. gun dealers and calling for a U.S. assault weapon ban were his ideas from his days spent at the Center for American Progress, an Obama-linked think tank.

The U.S. "will work to inhibit the flow of weapons ... across our border," Restrepo told Mexican media.

Meanwhile, when Obama met with Mexico's President Felipe Calderon, both erroneously declared that U.S. weapons fueled Mexico's drug war — on Restrepo's advice.

Blogger Mike Vanderbroegh thinks that if Restrepo wasn't the author of Gunwalker he'd know who is and should be called to tell Congress. Either he's kept Obama in the dark about Gunwalker, or Obama should be impeached.

Good find.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2011, 07:01:24 AM
If his name had been Oliver North the MFM and leftnut pol's would be howling mad for blood.

Why are our guys not howling mad and dragging butts into the light?

We are sooooo fvcked...

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 09, 2011, 10:00:06 AM

Don't worry, Issa's going to hold hundreds of hearings and,,,

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 09, 2011, 11:31:03 AM

FOX has obtained new document(s) indicating a cover up:

status of guns recovered earlier (before the FBI had secured the scene -
[indicating more than two guns recovered as had been stated] it/they possibly recovered by an FBI informant in the cartel and
the FBI knew these guns (gunrunner guns) were being used by the cartels before the incident

on air reporting by William Lajeunesse
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2011, 11:33:18 AM
Too bad idiots stuck with their heads in the sand can't see out their butts...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 09, 2011, 11:40:46 AM

Third gun [coverup] (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/09/exclusive-third-gun-linked-to-fast-and-furious-identified-at-border-agents/)

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A third gun linked to "Operation Fast and Furious" was found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, new documents obtained exclusively by Fox News suggest,
...

"I have never seen anything like this. I can see the FBI may have an informant involved but I can't see them tampering with evidence. If this is all accurate, I'm stunned," the former prosecutor said.
...

"It also confirms that the FBI was at least as culpable, and perhaps more culpable, than the ATF in the (Fast and Furious) scandal, and that there was some guiding hand above both these agencies (and the other agencies involved) coordinating the larger operation," Vanderboegh Sipsey Street (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/) said.
...


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2011, 11:58:18 AM

Third gun [coverup] (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/09/exclusive-third-gun-linked-to-fast-and-furious-identified-at-border-agents/)

Quote

A third gun linked to "Operation Fast and Furious" was found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, new documents obtained exclusively by Fox News suggest,
...

"I have never seen anything like this. I can see the FBI may have an informant involved but I can't see them tampering with evidence. If this is all accurate, I'm stunned," the former prosecutor said.
...

"It also confirms that the FBI was at least as culpable, and perhaps more culpable, than the ATF in the (Fast and Furious) scandal, and that there was some guiding hand above both these agencies (and the other agencies involved) coordinating the larger operation," Vanderboegh Sipsey Street (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/) said.
...




Fothermucking Holder and his Gestapo are running amok!

God, if we only had people in office who gave a frick!

We are truly descending into tyranny!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 09, 2011, 11:59:34 AM
Oh, but neveryoumind. Its Faux News.

That's what we're coming to. Complete failure by vast swaths of the media to aggressively report news damaging to the regime, and thus a dismissal of news reported by Fox and other less favorable outlets.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 09, 2011, 08:20:33 PM
Oh, but neveryoumind. Its Faux News.

That's what we're coming to. Complete failure by vast swaths of the media to aggressively report news damaging to the regime, and thus a dismissal of news reported by Fox and other less favorable outlets.

 Thank God we have FOX.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 14, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
(http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Eric_Holder.jpg)
3 more murders  (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20106253-10391695.html) linked to Gunwalker

...
When added to the guns found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in the U.S., the newly-revealed murders in Mexico bring the total number of deaths linked to Fast and Furious to four.


Is it gun walker, gun runner, or fast and furious?  Are the multiple names created to allow legal loopholes from the prosecutors?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 14, 2011, 10:01:54 PM
Just another nail in a democratic white house coffin.More faster please.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 15, 2011, 07:13:51 AM
From CO's link -

"ATF has not conducted a comprehensive independent investigation."

Oh really, gee C-BS dickbrain, why would that be?  Hmmm?

These fothermuckers are off the reservation completely and Holder is sanitizing the trail so no big fish get gutted!

Congress should deputize whoeverthehell they can trust, load 'em for bear and get them siezing documents before they disappear completely!  If it sparks a constitutional showdown with guns drawn so fvcking be it!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 17, 2011, 12:18:42 PM
Link (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/09/16/todays-special-rocket-launchers-from-a-fast-and-furious-dealer-near-you/)
[blockquote]
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Let’s review:
When we first learned about Fast and Furious, the news was that a number of assault rifles had been sold to straw purchasers. Soon, we learned that the number was approximately 2,500 and that some of those were .50 caliber sniper rifles. Then we learned that somewhere between 1,200 and 1,300 of the weapons were unaccounted for, and that the ATF had allowed another upstanding gentleman to walk grenade components into Mexico (I guess he ended up in Mexico: no one knows because the ATF lost him). And finally, we’re learning that just a few days ago, on our side of the border, U.S. Border Patrol Agents found rocket and grenade launchers, assault rifles, and C4 explosives.

[/blockquote]

[blockquote]
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And I add the word “allegedly” not because there’s any doubt over whether a rocket launcher has been found near the Mexico/Texas border, but because its origin in the Fast and Furious operation has yet to be established beyond a doubt. The jury’s still out because the launcher could be associated with another gun-smuggling operation the administration seems to be involved with in El Paso, TX and Columbus, NM.

[/blockquote]


Oh heck, maybe they are smuggling in terrorists so they may  track them also.



This article has nothing to do with the ultra-lights they are using to fly contraband in above the cameras and below the radar.  
Or if you are in Mexico and report this the narcos will kill you.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2011, 06:47:39 AM
You know what?  If I were a rancher in these areas I'd invest in search lights and bulk ammo and have a field day!  And if states had any balls they'd be doing to same thing!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 20, 2011, 12:21:56 AM

LSM is catching up. CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108240-10391695.html) is reporting on the third gun and they have agent conversation on tape.


WASHINGTON - CBS (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108240-10391695.html) News has obtained secretly recorded conversations that raise questions as to whether some evidence is being withheld in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.

Agent MacAllister and Howard (the gun dealer) also discuss various Republicans and Democrats in Congress who are investigating Fast and Furious. They express concern that whistleblower ATF special agent John Dodson has further evidence that could be damaging to the government.

Transcript of the audio below:

Agent: Well there was two.

Dealer: There's three weapons.

Agent: There's three weapons.

Dealer: I know that.

Agent: And yes, there's serial numbers for all three.

Dealer: That's correct.

Agent: Two of them came from this store.

Dealer: I understand that.

Agent: There's an SKS that I don't think came from.... Dallas or Texas or something like that.

Dealer: I know. talking about the AK's

Agent: The two AK's came from this store.

Dealer: I know that.

Agent: Ok.

Dealer: I did the Goddamned trace

Agent: Third weapon is the SKS has nothing to do with it.

Dealer: That didn't come from me.

Agent: No and there is that's my knowledge. and I spoke to someone who would know those are the only ones they have. So this is the agent who's working the case, all I can go by is what she told me.

[This agent, representative of our finest, is truly impressive.]

Article and audio tape at link: Click here (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108240-10391695.html)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2011, 07:43:14 AM
Uh huh, and the trail back up the food chain...???

The evil bastards in DoJ are busy cleaning the trail...we've let too muchh time go by...best hope is a scandal...fingerprints and convictions don't look likely...we let them get away with it again...
Title: Mexican Attorney General: 200 murders linked to F & F Gunrunner
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 20, 2011, 10:47:17 AM
This is an act of war by the Obama administration against Mexico.

Mexican Attorney General: 200 murders linked to F & F Gunrunner (http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/09/20/attorney_general_in_mexico_200_murders_result_of_operation_fast_and_furious)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2011, 12:02:07 PM
Let the effing Left ask La Raza what they think of Duh Wun now!

 ::stirpot::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 20, 2011, 12:06:49 PM
I'll just wait for a little more confirmation that Mexico was really kept in the dark.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 20, 2011, 12:11:39 PM
I'll just wait for a little more confirmation that Mexico was really kept in the dark.

Yeah, good point.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 20, 2011, 10:45:01 PM

It's Woodrow's fault.

Title: ATF’s Fast & Furious: Ho-Lee-SH¡T... (Audio)
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 21, 2011, 12:09:01 PM
ATF 'Fast and Furious' secret audio recordings reveal concerns about whistleblower
(Audio linked @ CBS) (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20108965-10391695.html)

In a series of secretly recorded audio tapes believe to have been recorded last March and obtained by CBS News, an Arizona gun dealer and an ATF agent involved with ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation worried about the unraveling scandal.

The tapes were made just weeks after CBS News broke the story in February.

The conversations were recorded by Andre Howard who ran the Lone Wolf Trading Company. Howard's gun dealership had been cooperating with the ATF in "Fast and Furious." At least two of his weapons were sold to a straw buyer before turning up later at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Hope MacAllister, the ATF agent heard in the conversations, was the lead case agent.

<snip>

Among other things, Howard and MacAllister expressed concerns about ATF Special Agent John Dodson, who by that point had gone public about "Fast and Furious" in an exclusive interview with CBS News correspondent Sharyl Attkisson.

They also spoke of their concerns that Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) was investigating, with Agent MacCallister saying of her superiors in Washington, DC, "they're gonna say have to say Grassley you're just gonna have to sit your a-- down."

These recordings are important because MacAllister has never spoken publicly about her involvement in the operation and its fallout and Howard's role as a gun dealer cooperating with the ATF placed him in position to see "Fast and Furious" firsthand . The audio recordings contain new revelations about the guns involved, and ATF's efforts to respond to the breaking scandal. The tapes were turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General in connection with their probe into "Fast and Furious."

The excerpts below refer to whistleblower ATF special agent John Dodson, and a March 9 letter that Rep. Lamar Smith and 13 other House Judiciary Committee members sent to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding answers regarding "Fast and Furious."

(Read text of the audio excerpts below.) (It is helpful to read the transcript while listening to the audio at the link in order to get a sense of the hostility and growing desperation - IDP)
The gun dealer is Andre Howard, the agent is ATF Agent Hope MacAllister.

Dealer: He's (Dodson) more toxic than you realize. I can tell you cause I asked him. How much of this f-----g file did you release?

Agent: Mmmhm

Dealer: He said basically the underlying case file. I said okay, who'd you release it to? F-----g Patrick Leahy! Ok? Wasn't just Grassley it was Leahy alright? Leahy as we both know has adjourned this inquiry right now okay with no plans to reconvene it. So your people were successful on that end.

Agent: Right.

Dealer: Obviously that's good. However these other idiots from

Agent: Yeah I saw that. The House?

Dealer: Yeah and that I don't know. What is troublesome with this I expected Darrell Issa's signature to be on this it wasn't. He's your biggest thorn, he hates Holder.

Agent: Yeah. Where's he out of?

Dealer: Darrell Issa?

Agent: Yeah.

Dealer: California.

Agent: California.

Dealer: Lamar Smith you know's out of Texas, I don't know. Holder has to respond to this tomorrow.

Agent: Yeah he's gonna respond.

Dealer: I know he is. And I can assure you the media isn't gonna like his response because basically it's gonna mirror what he's told Grassley.

Agent: Yeah.

Dealer: He can't deviate.

Agent: Well if, I mean I've seen a rough copy at least of what our US Attorney here has sent up. Whether or not he has the b---s to actually use it or not, I doubt it. But I mean it's pretty aggressive. Um. The way I see it our local US Attorney is extremely aggressive. When it gets to DC..

Dealer: Who Emory?

Agent: No...THE US Attorney.

Dealer: Burke, yeah, used to work under Clinton. Guy used to work under Clinton. Talking about Burke?

Agent: MMhmm.

Dealer: yeah well

Agent: But the problem is once it gets to dc it just gets... well you know

(unintell.)

Dealer: Discombobulated that's a good term for it yeah I get that.

Dealer: Let me tell you you got more people out there now talking about this f-----g thing than anything I've ever seen...(unintell.) ... they're not shutting the hell up

Agent: (unintell)

Dealer: and that goes from DHS to f-----g FBI to everybody...

Agent: Yeah.

Dealer: I'm hearing hypothetically on every fringe

Agent: Yeah.

Dealer: Thru third parties and I can assure you they're all like what the hell are they nuts?

EXCERPT 2

Dealer: But you have got to put the word out there to all the departments tell the f------g FBI shut the f--- up. (whispering)

Agent: FBI'S got their own problems, trust me.

Dealer: I know I hear.

Agent: They've got their own problems.

Dealer: Hypothetically. (What does this mean? That there is a plan to create some problem for the FBI? - IDP)

Agent: If anybody's gonna get sued it's gonna be the FBI in my opinion.

EXCERPT 3

Dealer: What is it with the FBI they just have a h--- on for you guys or what?

Agent: The FBI's got their own problems. Like I said they're focusing on our problems they should probably turn it inward, cause they got their own problems right now.

Dealer: That ain't no lie.

Agent: So.. so hahaha.

EXCERPT 4

Dealer: What's Holders' office got to say about this?

Agent: Well like I said they're supposed to come out with little more um b----y statement than they have in the past, so...

Dealer: God they're (intell)

Agent: I mean at some point they're gonna say have to say Grassley you're just gonna have to sit your a-- down. I mean that or they're gonna have to (unintell). I mean like I said my understanding is he can't call a hearing. Somebody from the majority party has got to call a congressional hearing and as of right now...

Dealer: Patrick Leahy's an a----e, you know that. He gets ahold of something he's like a dog with a bone.

Agent: As of right now we don't have any info that's occurred. So...

Dealer: No, not now, but

Agent: I know there was a presentation given to Judiciary committee and everybody aside from Grassley is is satisfied. At least at this point.

Dealer: So they say you know I don't trust em...

Agent: No but I mean that's all I've got...it's all (unintell.)


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 21, 2011, 12:30:20 PM
SeeBS is running this?  I'm almost shocked, and Holeee Smokes! do some people need to go to prison!

Another facet:

Quote
Two former law enforcement officers allege that they cannot get anyone to investigate allegations that the Mexican drug cartels have corrupted U.S. law officers and politicians in the El Paso border region.

...

Gonzales and Dutton said both or either one of them helped with federal investigations that were successful, including the arrest of Special FBI Agent John Shipley. Shipley was convicted of weapons-related charges after a weapon he sold someone turned up in Chihuahua state at a scene where a firefight took place between Mexican soldiers and drug traffickers.

However, they said, they are concerned that other serious allegations have not found their way to court.

Hit on agent

"One of the street gangs that works for the Juárez cartel put a hit out on FBI Special Agent Samantha Mikeska, and I told the FBI as soon as I heard about it," Dutton said. "We also had information on campaign fundraisers and parties in La Union that the cartel held for officials from New Mexico and El Paso. A lot of important people were at those parties, such as bankers, judges, and law enforcement officers."

Mikeska is a high-profile agent whose investigations of the Barrio Azteca gang led to prosecutions of gang leaders. The gang, which has members in West Texas and New Mexico, is linked to the Carrillo Fuentes drug cartel.

Gonzales said a U.S. law enforcement officer was suspected of selling to a street gang with Juárez drug cartel ties a list of U.S. Marshals that included their telephone numbers.

"With their number, the gang was able to 'clone' the agents' cell phones and intercept their calls," Gonzales said. "That way, they would know when one of the agents was trying to serve an arrest warrant against one of their members."

Dutton and Gonzales said small aircraft regularly drop drug loads on ranches or other properties along the U.S.-Mexico border, and that some U.S. law officers escort the loads to the next stop.

The two whistle-blowers said that drug cartels have managed to obtain computer access codes to U.S. surveillance systems that let them see where and when Border Patrol agents are monitoring the border.

They also alleged that drug cartels have given big donations to politicians, which are unreported, to influence appointments of key law enforcement officers.

Some of these allegations were contained in a letter that Dutton provided to Gov. Rick Perry, who is seeking the Republican Party's nomination for president in the 2012 election.

URL keeps getting "redacted".  The piece is at elpasotimes.com  title:  Whistle-blowers allege corruption, cartel ties

by Diana Washington Valdez
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 21, 2011, 12:46:12 PM

...URL keeps getting "redacted".  


I'm sure that means it's on the Righthaven list and I've entered the url into the censored words list. Once we know for certain that Righthaven is kaput for good, I'll remove all those urls from that list. I'd almost go ahead and do it now based on what we know, but setting that up was a helluva lot of time and PITA, so I want to be double sure the threat is gone before I undo it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 21, 2011, 12:48:41 PM

...URL keeps getting "redacted".  


I'm sure that means it's on the Righthaven list and I've entered the url into the censored words list. Once we know for certain that Righthaven is kaput for good, I'll remove all those urls from that list. I'd almost go ahead and do it now based on what we know, but setting that up was a helluva lot of time and PITA, so I want to be double sure the threat is gone before I undo it.

That's what I suspected.  No problem; it's wise to wait.  I included the pertinent info for a search; the entire piece should be easily found.
Title: WOW: ATF bought guns directly with taxpayer $, illegally sold them directly
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 26, 2011, 04:05:54 PM
It just gets deeper and uglier, and the stench more unbearable...

New Fast & Furious document: ATF bought guns with taxpayer money and sold them to illegal buyers directly (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/09/26/new-fast-furious-document-atf-bought-guns-with-taxpayer-money-and-sold-them-to-illegal-buyers-directly/)

[blockquote]According to documents obtained by Fox News, Agent John Dodson was ordered to buy six semi-automatic Draco pistols — two of those were purchased at the Lone Wolf gun store in Peoria, Ariz. An unusual sale, Dodson was sent to the store with a letter of approval from David Voth, an ATF group supervisor.

Dodson then sold the weapons to known illegal buyers, while fellow agents watched from their cars nearby.

This was not a “buy-bust” or a sting operation, where police sell to a buyer and then arrest them immediately afterward. In this case, agents were “ordered” to let the sale go through and follow the weapons to a stash house.

According to sources directly involved in the case, Dodson felt strongly that the weapons should not be abandoned and the stash house should remain under 24-hour surveillance. However, Voth disagreed and ordered the surveillance team to return to the office. Dodson refused, and for six days in the desert heat kept the house under watch, defying direct orders from Voth.

A week later, a second vehicle showed up to transfer the weapons. Dodson called for an interdiction team to move in, make the arrest and seize the weapons. Voth refused and the guns disappeared with no surveillance.[/blockquote]

Much more, including supporting links, at HotAir....
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 26, 2011, 04:12:42 PM
About Dodson:

Quote
Sources also describe a second letter from Voth to another FFL authorizing Dodson to purchase two more Draco pistols. One source stated flatly: "Issa and Grassley have copies of both letters, and have had for a long time."

Subsequent to this undercover weapons buying and transfer to cartel smugglers by Dodson, say the sources, "Dodson just about came apart all over them (his supervisors)." In a "screaming match" that was heard throughout the Phoenix office by many employees, Dodson yelled at Voth and Assistant Special Agent in Charge George Gillett, "Why not just go direct and empty out the (ATF) arms room?" (to the cartels), or words to that effect.

After this confrontation, say the sources, ATF managers transferred Dodson to a post as "liaison to the intel guys at FBI" in the Phoenix office. For clarification, it is worth noting that the Brian Terry murder investigation was at this time being carried out by the criminal investigations side of the FBI out of the Tuscon office, not Phoenix.

Sources describe continuing harassment of Dodson as his access to the Phoenix office building was restricted. "They removed him from the (Fast and Furious) case as politically unreliable," said another source, adding, "And of course after the Terry murder all the shots were being called by D.C."

After the death of Brian Terry, the "rumor" post on the ATF agent's website, CleanUpATF.org and the initial coverage by these reporters in the early weeks of January, 2011, "things got ugly" for Dodson. Blamed by his immediate supervisors as well as many of his fellow agents in the Phoenix office for "treason" as one source described it, Dodson's existence at the Phoenix office was described as "precarious" by one D.C. source. The threats to his life were perceived to be so great that "solitary range days" were arranged by a sympathetic supervisor so Dodson could practice marksmanship in safety. "He (the supervisor) didn't want him (Dodson) to eat one in the back" in a range "accident," said the source.

Dodson has not given any more interviews of late. "Not since the hearings as far as I know," said one source, and it is not because he hasn't been asked.

"They're (the Justice Department) coming at him hard, looking for anything they can use against him," said another. "Can you blame him for keeping his head down?"

Linked by HotAir to Sipsey Street.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 26, 2011, 04:13:42 PM
...Linked by HotAir to Sipsey Street.


That link...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/09/vanderboegh-codrea-exclusive-us-govt.html

That is a HELLUVA read.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 26, 2011, 07:08:39 PM

Not to distract from the conversation but are those things legal pistols?  They look like sawed off rifles.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on September 26, 2011, 08:02:10 PM

Not to distract from the conversation but are those things legal pistols?  They look like sawed off rifles.



 Legal not practical but legal in semi auto.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 26, 2011, 11:22:10 PM
...Linked by HotAir to Sipsey Street.


That link...

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/09/vanderboegh-codrea-exclusive-us-govt.html

That is a HELLUVA read.

Quote
Given the fact that it is a weekend, these reporters do not expect any reaction until later on Monday morning.

Did they really expect a response?  Shazam!  How many attacks on our sovereignty are going on at once?  All of these things going on and the media says nothing but praise.  We're on a roller coaster capable of making an instantaneous 90° lateral.  Hold on and keep your eyes open.





Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2011, 06:46:35 AM

Not to distract from the conversation but are those things legal pistols?  They look like sawed off rifles.



 Legal not practical but legal in semi auto.

Yes, commonly referred to as machine pistols...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on September 27, 2011, 09:36:55 AM
Taxpayers Paid for “Fast and Furious”Plan to Arm the Sinaloa Drug Cartel

Ben Johnson,The White House Watch


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"The Mexican government has opened two criminal investigations into Operation Fast and Furious,the deadly ATF operation that allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to purchase $1.25 million in illegal guns responsible for countless acts of violence south of the border. Reasonable people may ask when the United States will follow suit after today’s revelations that taxpayers funded the transfer and ATF agents personally handed the guns over to murderous gang members.

Fox News reports it has uncovered documents showing David Voth,an ATF group supervisor,ordered eventual whistleblower John Dodson to use federal dollars to purchase and then personally sell six semi-automatic Draco pistols to members of the gang in Arizona. Then he allowed the guns to ride off into the sunset over the sands of old Mexico:

This was not a “buy-bust”or a sting operation,where police sell to a buyer and then arrest them immediately afterward. In this case,agents were “ordered”to let the sale go through and follow the weapons to a stash house.

According to sources directly involved in the case,Dodson felt strongly that the weapons should not be abandoned and the stash house should remain under 24-hour surveillance. However,Voth disagreed and ordered the surveillance team to return to the office. Dodson refused,and for six days in the desert heat kept the house under watch,defying direct orders from Voth.

A week later,a second vehicle showed up to transfer the weapons. Dodson called for an interdiction team to move in,make the arrest and seize the weapons. Voth refused and the guns disappeared with no surveillance.

According to a story posted Sunday on a website dedicated to covering Fast and Furious,Voth gave Dodson the assignment to “dirty him up,”since Dodson had become the most vocal critic of the operation.

“I think Dodson demanded the letter from Voth to cover both himself and the FFL (Federal Firearm Licensee). He didn’t want to be hung out to dry by Voth,”a source told the website “Sipsey Street Irregulars.”
Shortly after this,Dodson confronted his supervisors,asking why the ATF did not simply give the drug cartel its entire cache of weapons,after which he was given “a more menial job.”Demoting whistleblowers or punishing employees otherwise critical of institutional corruption is a defining feature of the Obama administration.

Commentators have asked whether the program is part of a wider policy of supporting the Sinaloa drug cartel…."

Read more.http://floydreports.com/taxpayers-paid-for-fast-and-furious-plan-to-arm-the-sinaloa-drug-cartel/#sf

Well, just new there was fun for Yax Payers in there somwhere. Ain't a full blown party unless we are involved! ::facepalm::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2011, 11:21:32 AM
“I think Dodson demanded the letter from Voth to cover both himself and the FFL (Federal Firearm Licensee). He didn’t want to be hung out to dry by Voth,”

You know you work for crooks when you have to start collecting CYA chits...

This Regime stinks to high heaven, and I want their reign of terror ended right damn now!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on September 27, 2011, 12:32:34 PM
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   Very illuminating.  This very early email demonstrates something that our sources have been saying all along.  Even when the rest of the media and the political class were as yet ignorant of the Gunwalker Scandal, the gunwalkers themselves, the upper management types of ATF and DOJ, were monitoring -- and acutely aware of -- every tiny development in the story as reported by Gun Rights Examiner, Sipsey Street and CleanUpATF.org.  They exhibited all the tension and straining of senses that a burglar does right after he breaks a window and makes too much noise.  Did anybody hear?  Is anybody paying attention?  Will somebody call a cop?

    And who were they afraid of?  A few -- very few -- dissident ATF agents and lowly gun rights bloggers who, by Internet standards, were hardly noticeable or noticed.  Yet, even at this early stage, we were apparently living in their heads rent free, all expenses paid.

    They had broken the window, somebody they couldn't control had noticed, and were now in the process of calling the cops.  No wonder they were paying attention to you.

Another early email has surfaced.  Read the rest >> http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-atf-chief-counsel-s-office-warned-management-of-gun-rights-exa?CID=examiner_alerts_article (http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/exclusive-report-atf-chief-counsel-s-office-warned-management-of-gun-rights-exa?CID=examiner_alerts_article)

Havoc  ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on September 27, 2011, 01:19:14 PM
Me thinks, if a Presidential Administration is found guilty of lets say, the things the Obama Administration has done, and found guilty, and they will. ::popcorn:: Then, hanging should be brought back. ::thumbsup:: Just this once! ::USA:: 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
You can't make it up...

And they think they'll get away with it...

And they may be right...


...for now...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 27, 2011, 04:16:44 PM

All natural manilla.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 28, 2011, 06:48:10 AM

All natural manilla.



manilla, bonded, parchment...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Obama%20Admin/boshredder.jpg)

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 28, 2011, 10:35:55 AM

Or more appropriately something along the lines...

(http://www.euroropesuk.co.uk/ekmps/shops/euroropesuk/images/battle-ropes-softeye-larger.jpg)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 28, 2011, 11:10:48 AM

Or more appropriately something along the lines...

(http://www.euroropesuk.co.uk/ekmps/shops/euroropesuk/images/battle-ropes-softeye-larger.jpg)



 ::danceban::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on September 28, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
Wednesday Chronicle: The Fast & Furious Plot Thickens

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Chronicle · September 28, 2011
 
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"[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually."
--George Mason

Editorial Exegesis
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"New documents reveal the Department of Justice lied to Congress and show how U.S. officials bought guns with tax dollars and then made sure no one stopped their transfer to Mexican drug cartels. The funneling of thousands of American guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels in the operation known as Fast and Furious was not a botched sting operation or the result of bureaucratic incompetence. It was not designed to interdict gun trafficking, but to facilitate it. We now know that it involved not just the use of straw buyers, but also agents of the federal government purchasing weapons with taxpayer money, ordering the licensed dealers to conduct the sales off the books, then calling off surveillance of the gun traffickers and refusing to interdict the transfer of the weapon or arrest the people involved. ... A two-year-old C-SPAN video shows Deputy Attorney General David Ogden, who would resign nine months later after less than a year's service, telling reporters at a Justice Department briefing of major policy initiatives to fight the Mexican drug cartels. 'The president has directed us to take action to fight these cartels,' Ogden began, 'and Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the administration's comprehensive plan.' Ogden said the administration's plan, at the president's direction, included the ATF's 'increasing its efforts by adding 37 new employees in three new offices, using $10 million in Recovery Act funds and redeploying 100 personnel to the Southwest border in the next 45 days to fortify its Project Gunrunner,' of which Operation Fast and Furious would be a part. ... Fast and Furious should spark our pursuit of the truth, even if the trail leads to the Oval Office."
--Investor's Business Daily

Will the administration succeed in its Fast & Furious goals? ::evilbat::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 01, 2011, 10:28:26 AM

Issa & Co must be having more success than is apparent.


CBS - Friday night document dump (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20114184-10391695.html)

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The documents show extensive communications between then-ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office Bill Newell - who led Fast and Furious - and then-White House National Security Staffer Kevin O'Reilly. Emails indicate the two also spoke on the phone. Such detailed, direct communications between a local ATF manager in Phoenix and a White House national security staffer has raised interest among Congressional investigators looking into Fast and Furious. Newell has said he and O'Reilly are long time friends.

Newly-released White House documents (pdf)
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Politico (http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshgerstein/0911/White_House_sends_Hill_Fast__Furious_docs_but_withholds_some.html)

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However, the chief counsel to President Barack Obama, Kathryn Ruemmler, indicated that the White House was withholding an unspecified number of internal e-mails exchanged among three National Security Staff aides.
[/blockquote]


 More - Faster

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 01, 2011, 09:26:31 PM
HEH HEH HEH
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on October 02, 2011, 03:49:50 AM
If this scandal can put the brakes on Obama's plans, can cause so much of a problem that the Administration's attention becomes focused on it and the hearings it will (hopefully) generate (akin to Nixon and Watergate), then Agent Terry will not have died in vain.  Not much comfort to the Terry family, but still, . . .
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weapons Gate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on October 02, 2011, 05:06:03 PM
Quote from: Rick link=topic=1730.msg35124#msg 35124 date=1317545390
If this scandal can put the brakes on Obama's plans, can cause so much of a problem that the Administration's attention becomes focused on it and the hearings it will (hopefully) generate (akin to Nixon and Watergate), then Agent Terry will not have died in vain.  Not much comfort to the Terry family, but still, . . .


Unlike Nixon's turmoil, this will follow Obama into his forced Retirement. He is going to Prison for this or Solyndra, just a matter of time for either!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2011, 07:22:11 AM
Seeing every high-ranking jackass in this rogue Regime up to and including Obama perp-walked to prison would go far in restoring my faith in our future prospects as a viable Republic...but it would never get that far...if Slow Joe is not also indicted, as POTUS he would pardon everyone...

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Now it appears Holder LIED UNDER OATH.
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 03, 2011, 07:58:39 PM
ERIC HOLDER LIED UNDER OATH!… Documents Confirm the Obama AG Knew of Fast & Furious in 2010 (Video) (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/10/eric-holder-lied-under-oath-documents-confirm-the-obama-ag-knew-of-fast-furious-in-2010/)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2011, 09:35:29 PM
He's a documented liar now, he has no claim of a faulty memory, time for him to get arraigned!
Title: Re: Now it appears Holder LIED UNDER OATH.
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 03, 2011, 10:11:28 PM
It looks like they are actually going to try to claim that while the communications show that Holder was informed of F & F well before his testimony denying knowledge, that he doesn't necessarily read all his briefings.

Unbelievable. The "I don't necessarily keep up with my work all the time" defense against a perjury charge.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 03, 2011, 10:21:34 PM
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New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."
Title: Re: Now it appears Holder LIED UNDER OATH.
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 03, 2011, 10:25:46 PM
It looks like they are actually going to try to claim that while the communications show that Holder was informed of F & F well before his testimony denying knowledge, that he doesn't necessarily read all his briefings.

Unbelievable. The "I don't necessarily keep up with my work all the time" defense against a perjury charge.

Are you going to believe your lying eyes or what I tell you?

Congress is hip deep in evidence. There is evidence for this, for the Solyndra slush fund, for his extra constitutional activities in Yemen but there is no congressional will to prosecute him. We live in a land of Pygmy Princes.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2011, 10:25:56 PM
"I'm not sure what the law states, but I'll enforce it to the best of my ability."

 ::speechless::

 ::hysterical::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on October 04, 2011, 07:19:09 AM
Time to give them ALL this look.......

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d4law24liE4/S6y1dNTzr5I/AAAAAAAAEJo/rl058IxbR_w/s320/jailbird.jpg)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2011, 11:08:45 AM
I suppose rough prison type sex would be nothing new for these clowns...they'll fit right in!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious - It's Special Prosecutor Time, Baby!
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 04, 2011, 01:29:29 PM
House GOP calls for special prosecutor to probe Holder on perjury allegation (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/04/house-gop-calls-for-special-prosecutor-to-probe-holder-on-perjury-allegation/)

 ::newyear::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious - It's Special Prosecutor Time, Baby!
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 04, 2011, 02:21:21 PM
special prosecutor----

job creation I can get behind


 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::


Title: Fast & Furious - CBS Reporter Sharyl Attkisson, under fire from White House
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 04, 2011, 03:12:29 PM
This is really worth a listen. It's a clip from the Laura Ingraham Show featuring Sharyl Attkisson, the CBS reporter who is doggedly pursuing evidence and documents concerning the burgeoning Fast & Furious scandal. Apparently she has been on the receiving end of verbal abuse from both the DoJ and the White House, berating her as being unreasonable, and holding up other news outlets that are ignoring the scandal as evidence of her unreasonableness.

This woman has her teeth sunk in. This is journalism, and we ought to point it out and support it when and where it exists. She's making some powerful enemies, both in politics, and in her profession.

Quote
6:05 - Laura: So they were literally screaming at you?
Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House."

The Laura Ingraham Show - Investigative reporter says WH official cussed at her over ATF scandal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS1t87pRix0#)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on October 04, 2011, 05:39:36 PM
And the LSM will bury this behind the Wall street BS! ::mooning:: ::rockets::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 04, 2011, 05:44:46 PM

Or the Tiffany Network may use this to seek redemption.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on October 04, 2011, 07:19:40 PM
Holy crap, Batman! Ms. Attkisson seems to be a REAL reporter!! Being such, look for her to have a VERY short career at CBS.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2011, 07:48:06 PM
Holy Crap!  This thing has really hit the fan.  Bravo to Attkisson for not caving into these punks!

Everybody is smelling blood in the water now!  About bloody time!

But I cannot shake the feeling that the MFM outlets finally reporting on this are doing so to a) cover their ratings ass & b) hoping the scandal stops at Holder and is dealt with before the end of the year so it is not an election year circus.  Anything less than Holder convicted is an injustice.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/house-republicans-to-request-special-counsel-to-probe-holder-on-fast-and/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/04/house-republicans-to-request-special-counsel-to-probe-holder-on-fast-and/)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/fast-and-furious-gop-says-eric-holder-is-either-incompetent-or-misleading-congress/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/10/fast-and-furious-gop-says-eric-holder-is-either-incompetent-or-misleading-congress/)

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-news-reporter-says-white-house-screamed-swore-her-over-fast-and-furious_595011.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-news-reporter-says-white-house-screamed-swore-her-over-fast-and-furious_595011.html)

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html)

“He’s either incompetent or he’s misleading Congress,”

I submit misleading, this bastard knows exactly why he does everything!  Let this be the pry-bar that opens NBP, Pigsford and a slew of Regime criminal activities!

 ::danceban::

The screaming cusser Eric Schultz, formerly of DSCC and before that Al "pottymouth joker" Franken's 2008 press twerp, hired by The Regime to stonewall Issa.  You know this loser is a world-class POS with credentials like that!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/white-house-hires-eric-schultz-darrell-issa_n_860528.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/11/white-house-hires-eric-schultz-darrell-issa_n_860528.html)

"Holder misunderstood that question from the committee"

Bull effing sh*t!  Is he now announcing he was too incompetent to handle the job at this late date to save his lying ass?  Or is he arguing again that ignorance is a valid excuse for the AG of the USA?

Nail his ass HARD!!!

Let this be the great unraveling of this rogue Regime!!!

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 04, 2011, 08:00:40 PM
  When it comes to race we are a nation of cowards. ::curtsy4::
Title: CBS silencing F & F reporter Attkisson
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 05, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
Now, a day after CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson went on the record with Laura Ingraham revealing that DoJ and White House officials were screaming and verbally abusive to her for pursuing the Fast & Furious scandal, it appears that CBS News might be engaging in some punishment of its own against Attkisson...

Is CBS News Silencing Fast and Furious Reporter? (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/cbs-news-silencing-fast-and-furious-reporter-due-white-house-pressure_595068.html)

Yesterday, CBS News investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson told radio show host Laura Ingraham that the White House yelled and swore at her over her reporting on the Fast and Furious gunrunning scandal tied to the deaths of two U.S. law enforcement agents. Attkisson also revealed that she'd also been yelled at by the Justice Department.

Today, I called CBS News in an attempt to interview Attkisson. I was told by CBS News senior vice president of communications Sonya McNair that Attkisson would be unavailable for interviews all week. When I asked why Attkisson would be unavailable, McNair would not say.

I've also heard from a producer at another media outlet that has previously booked Attkisson that they tried to book her since she made news with the Laura Ingraham interview yesterday. They were also told that she would be unavailable.

After our initial conversation earlier today, I called McNair back and left a message with her office. I also sent McNair an email asking whether Attkisson's unavailability has anything to do with reporting that the White House and Justice Department were angry at her. I further asked McNair if the White House or Justice Department contacted CBS News about Attkisson since yesterday. McNair has not responded to my inquiries.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on October 05, 2011, 03:53:33 PM
I don't think reporters have ever heard od Niemoller, nor ever read his words.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on October 05, 2011, 04:52:35 PM
Unfortunately, the most corrupt President ever happens to be black......And in our politically correct time, nothing will be done. He will get a pass. Hopefully history will not be kind. There will be no justice.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 05, 2011, 05:04:41 PM

Poor Tiffany, she'll never reclaim her virtue.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 05, 2011, 07:57:06 PM

Poor Tiffany, she'll never reclaim her virtue.



 How many times can you be a virgin?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 05, 2011, 08:07:18 PM

Honor?

Title: 9 Sheriff's to hold press conference 10/7 to call for Holder's resignation
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 07, 2011, 12:12:32 AM
9 US Sheriffs Announce Press Conference to Call for Holder's Resignation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmI7RQJVruA#)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 07, 2011, 12:24:00 AM

Normal American crooks, at some point, will fold they will attempt a plea agreement or go for the easy exit.
Nixon's VP struck a deal, and others since.  The stupid weasels would strike a deal but their handlers
have sugar plumbs dancing in their head.  They are, all of these different actions are, pushing the envelope
to the end game magic moment and it will not be an expected event.  They are capable of moving out of the box.

 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 07, 2011, 06:40:52 AM

Normal American crooks, at some point, will fold they will attempt a plea agreement or go for the easy exit.
Nixon's VP struck a deal, and others since.  The stupid weasels would strike a deal but their handlers
have sugar plumbs dancing in their head.  They are, all of these different actions are, pushing the envelope
to the end game magic moment and it will not be an expected event.  They are capable of moving out of the box.
  

I would argue they've always been out of the box...they all want to but everyone else in a box and they feel entitled and emboldened (thanks to fecklessness on the part of our supposed leaders) to do anything they want.

Republicanism should be vigorously reimposed or we might as well just chuck it.

As for those sheriff's...I hope more LEO's with a conscience join the Babeu 9 today!

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on October 07, 2011, 11:10:00 AM
Friday Digest: Playing Fast and Furious With the Facts



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Digest · October 7, 2011
 
 

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"Facts are stubborn things."
--John Adams

Government & Politics

Playing Fast and Furious With the Facts


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"Justice (Department) is blind"When did you first know about the program, officially called, I believe, 'Fast and Furious'?" That question was asked of Attorney General Eric Holder in congressional testimony on May 3, 2011. Fast and Furious was an effort of the Arizona branch of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to allow the straw purchase of American weapons that would then be transferred to Mexican drug cartels with the supposed purpose of tracking those weapons and taking down those cartels. The plan has been an unmitigated disaster, costing the lives of two American agents and possibly hundreds of Mexicans. Inquiring minds want to know why.

Holder answered that question in May, saying, "I'm not sure of the exact date but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks." Later he told reporters, "The notion that this reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case."

The truth is that Holder was first briefed on the operation in July 2010. When CBS News asked about this discrepancy, "The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General. And tonight they tell CBS News, Holder misunderstood that question from the committee -- he did know about Fast and Furious -- just not the details." Also, he doesn't always read his memos. Why he lied to reporters was left unanswered.

A July 5, 2010, memo to Holder specifically notes the "1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels." Holder didn't find that -- or four other similar memos -- worthy of his attention? Please. In fact, it appears that Holder perjured himself, and Justice is covering for him. Furthermore, last week's Friday evening news dump revealed that there was extensive communication between the White House and the ATF on the matter. Maybe that's why Barack Obama said Thursday that he has "complete confidence" in Holder."
Title: 10 Arizona sheriffs blast government gun-smuggling operation
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 07, 2011, 04:14:14 PM
10 Arizona sheriffs blast government gun-smuggling operation (http://news.yahoo.com/arizona-sheriffs-blast-gun-smuggling-operation-195525527.html)

PHOENIX (AP) — Ten Arizona sheriffs slammed the Obama administration on Friday over a botched federal operation that allowed up to 1,400 high-powered rifles to make their way to Mexico, calling for the president to launch an independent investigation and for Attorney General Eric Holder to step down or be fired.

Speaking at the state capitol in Phoenix, the sheriffs called the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' 2009 operation, known as "Fast and Furious," a betrayal of state law enforcement.

Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu (BAB'-yew) said it's not a partisan issue, noting that the sheriffs joining him were Democrats and Republicans.

He says it's a public safety issue, and that the guns allowed into Mexico have been linked to crime scenes on both sides of the border.

---

Sheriffs demand answers about "Operation Fast and Furious" (http://www.kvoa.com/news/sheriffs-demand-answers-about-operation-fast-and-furious-/)

News 4 Tucson's Lorraine Rivera is at a press conference regarding the ATF's "Operation Fast and Furious" with Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu and nine other Sheriffs' from across Arizona.

The Sheriffs are demanding that U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder reveal the truth behind this criticized operation, and believe that those responsible should be criminally accountable for allowing 2,000 guns to be purchased on U.S. Soil and turned over to the Mexican drug cartels, according to a release from the Pinal County Sheriff's Office.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 07, 2011, 08:45:10 PM
When hell freezes over will they get an answer from this white house. If the busted one of the stooges and put him/her in the slammer and go for trial then they would get something but not an answer.Scooter Libby almost went to jail for bullshyt way less than this.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 07, 2011, 09:16:45 PM

IIRC today Holeder said that it wasn't he that viewed the emails it was one of his assistants.

OK he's getting ready to dump on an assistant.
The assistants know one of them is going to be dumped on.
All the assistants are nervous.
Come on assistant, give it up, tell us what you know and we'll let you go.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weapons Gate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on October 07, 2011, 10:00:41 PM
When hell freezes over will they get an answer from this white house. If the busted one of the stooges and put him/her in the slammer and go for trial then they would get something but not an answer.Scooter Libby almost went to jail for bullshyt way less than this.



After Obama is when the true dealings will come to the surface. Many will come out of their rat holes to tell all about their boss. Many books will tell the shocking truth about the worst President in American History. I don't know about anyone else but, it will do me proud!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 08, 2011, 04:59:47 PM

IIRC today Holeder said that it wasn't he that viewed the emails it was one of his assistants.

OK he's getting ready to dump on an assistant.
The assistants know one of them is going to be dumped on.
All the assistants are nervous.
Come on assistant, give it up, tell us what you know and we'll let you go.





 That's not gonna cut it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 08, 2011, 05:07:01 PM

A snitch with the goods on Holder & Co will be better than leaving it to the govt to figure it out. 
He has the capacity to explain it to the stupid congressmen and prosecutors in a way that they can understand it.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 08, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Quote

Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/06/fast-and-furious-docs-reveal-holder-was-given-multiple-detailed-accounts-of-gun-program/)

New Department of Justice documents the House Oversight Committee released Thursday morning show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious many more times than previously discovered documents suggested. They also show that Holder was given detailed information on what happened in Fast and Furious.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 08, 2011, 11:51:29 PM

Hitler finds out CBS is reporting on Fast & Furious

Hitler finds out CBS is reporting on Operation Fast and Furious (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YtBxoQEkZ0#ws)


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on October 09, 2011, 03:26:03 AM

Hitler finds out CBS is reporting on Fast & Furious

This is a good one, one of the better ones, actually.  The dramatic pause as he takes off his glasses when Hitler finds out he's lost CBS. . . .

"Now, if CBS had reported it. . . . We had our chance to do some serious gun-grabbing and blew it!"
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 09, 2011, 10:02:41 AM
CO all I can say is ::hat-tip:: ::clapping:: ::bows::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 09, 2011, 10:27:18 AM
That's the best "Hitler finds out" I've seen since the Brett Favre one.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2011, 10:35:43 AM
Something tells me the gun-grabbing just got easier with Reid employing the nuclear option in the Senate...there isn't some Pelosi Era legislation that stalled in the Senate they will attempt to ram through is there?  They do and civil war is a certainty!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2011, 07:00:37 AM
More of Holder's guns show up in cartel enforcer's home...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20111009,0,6431788.story?track=rss (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20111009,0,6431788.story?track=rss)

...wonder how many deaths can be traced back to these...more blood on The Regime's hands!


Title: Issa to Holder: You own Fast & Furious
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 10, 2011, 01:50:33 PM
Issa's full letter, and HotAir commentary, at HotAir...

Issa to Holder: You own Fast and Furious, champ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/10/issa-to-holder-you-own-fast-and-furious-champ/)

...Your letter dated October 7 is deeply disappointing. Instead of pledging all necessary resources to assist the congressional investigation in discovering the truth behind the fundamentally flawed Operation Fast and Furious, your letter instead did little but obfuscate, shift blame, berate, and attempt to change the topic away from the Department’s responsibility in the creation, implementation, and authorization of this reckless program. You claim that, after months of silence, you “must now address these issues” over Fast and Furious because of the harmful discourse of the past few days. Yet, the only major development of these past few days has been the release of multiple documents showing that you and your senior staff had been briefed, on numerous occasions, about Fast and Furious.

Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.

Operation Fast and Furious was the Department’s most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 10, 2011, 02:06:45 PM
That's gonna leave a mark  ;)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on October 10, 2011, 04:37:56 PM
How dishonest has the democratic party become?  I guess murder is not an actionable offense. Eric Holder is responsible for the deaths associated with this program.......This is one time "blame Bush" isn't gonna work.

The silence against Holder speaks volumes.
Title: Subpoena Watch: Issa to issue F & F subpoena's today? (10/11/11)
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 11, 2011, 10:40:21 AM
Issa to subpoena Holder, perhaps today (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/11/hmmm-issa-to-subpoena-holder-perhaps-today/)

CBS News reports that Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), chair of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, will issue a subpoena for Eric Holder to produce in their entirety a series of documents pertaining to Operation Fast and Furious. The subpoena could come as early as today, and push a simmering conflict between the House and the Obama administration onto center stage...

...The subpoena will be an unmistakable escalation between Issa and the Obama administration, but the blame for that falls directly onto Holder’s narrow shoulders.  Instead of cooperating with Issa’s probe, Holder sent a letter last Friday practically daring Issa to subpoena the documents and his aides.  Issa returned fire yesterday with a detailed broadside listing all of the mischaracterizations and misrepresentations given by Holder and the DoJ, ending with the admonition that Holder “own[ s] Fast and Furious” no matter how much he tries to duck the consequences...

More @ HotAir...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 11, 2011, 11:12:06 AM

The shredder's smokin',  the burn bag's burnin', and the delete button's goin' by Pavlov's rat.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2011, 11:13:17 AM
Hopefully...rail, tar & feathers soon to follow!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 11, 2011, 11:27:32 AM
Hopefully...rail, tar & feathers soon to follow!

To the highest level.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 11:53:37 AM
Now, now, now; let's not be hasty.  According to some, Operation Wide Receiver under Gonzales is equally culpable you know.  ::)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 11, 2011, 12:16:38 PM


Wide receiver?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 01:10:31 PM
Here: (http://www.theoutdoorwire.com/features/224570)

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Meanwhile, confidential sources have told The Outdoor Wire about Operation Wide Receiver, another ATF/Justice Department investigation gone bad.

Mounted approximately five years ago out of the Tucson office, Wide Receiver may have actually been the template used -with equally inept results- by the now-infamous Phoenix operations.

In Operation Wide Receiver, Tucson agents allowed the sales of more than 500 firearms to known straw purchasers. Like Gunrunner/Fast and Furious, the operation apparently backfired.

Some firearms in Wide Receive were equipped with RFID tracking devices. In Wide Receiver, it seems the illegal purchasers seemed more than slightly knowledgeable of the way the ATF and how to take their aerial and electronic tracking procedures down.

Knowing the time aloft numbers for virtually all planes used in government surveillance, the buyers had a simple method of getting their purchases across the border undetected. They simply drove four-hour loops around the area.

As surveillance planes were forced to return to base for re-fueling, the smugglers simply turned and sprinted their cargo across the border.

The RFID tags also turned out to be problematic.

Rather than making large enough holes for the tags to be laid out inside weapons, agents force-fit them into the rifles.

That cramming caused the antennae to be folded, reducing the effective range of the tags. And an already short battery life (36-48 hours maximum) meant that should purchasers allow the firearms to sit, the tracking devices eliminated themselves.

This sounds like something out of "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" but it's not.

To date, Wide Receiver hasn't really amounted to much in the way of interdiction, enforcement or prosecution, despite the huge amounts of surveillance video and audio evidence collected and the millions of dollars expended.

To date, sources tell us the only charges filed in the ongoing investigation are for falsifying Form 4473s. Not much of a return on an investigation that consumed millions of dollars in man-hours and money and placed the lives of law-abiding firearms dealers and their families in jeopardy.

Additionally, we have seen documents proving the Justice Department is not only aware of Wide Receiver, they're having problems with material witnesses and confidential informants who are concerned about the overall investigation and their personal safety.

I don't the guy and I'm not familiar with his website.  What I suspect is this ^^ is what the left is ramping up to use to deflect from F&F in the usual "Bush did it too" deflection because the attention directed to this came from a leftist.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 11, 2011, 01:41:18 PM
The "This is just like Wide Receiver" defense has gotten a pretty thorough thrashing since it was tried, even in the MSM. I don't think that dog'll hunt. It was coordinated with the Mexican government. Guns were tracked. Border patrol agents didn't die.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 01:46:04 PM
The "This is just like Wide Receiver" defense has gotten a pretty thorough thrashing since it was tried, even in the MSM. I don't think that dog'll hunt. It was coordinated with the Mexican government. Guns were tracked. Border patrol agents didn't die.

Yes, border agents didn't die or we'd certainly have heard.  Tell me more, please.  Some of us must have missed the MSM's trashing coverage, at least I did.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 11, 2011, 02:01:23 PM
The "This is just like Wide Receiver" defense has gotten a pretty thorough thrashing since it was tried, even in the MSM. I don't think that dog'll hunt. It was coordinated with the Mexican government. Guns were tracked. Border patrol agents didn't die.

Yes, border agents didn't die or we'd certainly have heard.  Tell me more, please.  Some of us must have missed the MSM's trashing coverage, at least I did.

Here's some key differences I found at Human Events...

1. Wide Receiver was less than one-quarter the size of Fast and Furious, involving about 500 guns.  About 450 guns made it across the border into Mexico.  Not only was Fast and Furious much larger, but it was only one of several gun walking operations launched by the Obama Administration.  In fact, intrepid CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson says she has “found allegations of gun walking in at least 10 cities in five states.”

2. Unlike the Obama Administration programs, there actually was a serious attempt made to track the Wide Receiver weapons.  Some of them were fitted with radio tracking devices.  The cartel gun buyers figured out how to defeat the tracking system by driving around in circles, until the tracking planes ran out of fuel and were forced to return to base.  Also, some of the tracking devices were damaged when ATF agents improperly inserted them into the guns.

By contrast, one of the signature features of Obama gun walking is that absolutely no effort to track the guns was ever in place.  ATF agents have testified they were expressly ordered to stand down when they tried to follow the cartel straw purchasers.  Whatever mistakes were made in Operation Wide Receiver, there’s no way to argue that Operation Fast and Furious was not much worse… because they should have learned from what happened in Wide Receiver.

3. And by “they” I mean “Special Agent In Charge Bill Newell.”  That’s right – the same Phoenix ATF supervisor who became famous during the investigation of Fast and Furious was involved with Operation Wide Receiver.  He’s also the ATF agent that originally told Congress that he mentioned gun walking in a roundabout way to his old buddy Kevin O’Reilly of the White House national security staff, who he communicates with maybe three or four times a year… only to be exposed as a liar when the same document dump that put AG Holder in jeopardy of perjury charges revealed a constant stream of emails between Newell and O’Reilly, lasting over a month. 

4. Operation Wide Receiver was, by all accounts, shut down after its weapons dropped off the grid, and the ATF realized it had blundered.  Operation Fast and Furious was only shut down because two of its weapons were discovered at the scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder.  According to congressional testimony, the Terry shooting - along with the mistaken suspicion that Tucson mass murderer Jared Loughner might have been packing a Fast and Furious gun – panicked top ATF brass into halting its gun walking operations.

5. The Obama Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for its huge gun walking programs.  As Kurt Hofmann of the Gun Rights Examiner notes, “At this point, we don’t seem to have any evidence that earlier ‘gunwalking’ involved the FBI, the DEA, DHS, the State Department, the IRS, and even the White House Security Council.”

6. And, of course, there was no massive cover-up of Wide Receiver.  No senior Administration officials committed perjury to distance themselves from it.  The ATF was not exactly advertising the existence of the operation, or its unhappy conclusion, but that’s very different from the thick stone wall Obama and his people tried to build around their far larger and deadlier operations.

In fact, a confidential informant named Mike Detty, who participated in Wide Receiver as a gun dealer, specifically told David Codrea of the Gun Rights Examiner that the Bush Administration was not involved in the earlier gun walking program...

...In summary, Operation Wide Receiver was a small-scale botched sting operation, in which a foolish, but faintly plausible, plan to track straw gun buyers to their criminal customers went terribly wrong.  The Obama Administration used this disaster as a template, radically increased its scale, and turned it into something else altogether.

Far from letting the Obama Administration “off the hook” because “Bush did it too,” an understanding of the full Operation Wide Receiver story makes the Obama scandal worse.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Thanks, IDP.  What you've written here about the RFID chips was included in what I'd posted; much of the rest I didn't know.  You write that Human Events reported on it, and I know Attkisson was making the rounds until lately, but I'm concerned that Gun Rights Examiner is not quite the MSM and therefore the information was not widely enough disseminated for the left to not nevertheless blur the extreme differences between the two many operations.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 11, 2011, 02:39:48 PM
Thanks, IDP.  What you've written here about the RFID chips was included in what I'd posted; much of the rest I didn't know.  You write that Human Events reported on it, and I know Attkisson was making the rounds until lately, but I'm concerned that Gun Rights Examiner is not quite the MSM and therefore the information was not widely enough disseminated for the left to not nevertheless blur the extreme differences between the two many operations.

Right... well they delineated the details of the differences in a hard-news segment on Fox a couple times yesterday. Fox isn't "credible" as rebuttal to the Leftist narrative, I know, but it seems to me that barely scratching the surface of this with a pinky fingernail uncovers differences that make the fingerpointing pretty empty. There's no "there" there.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 02:41:46 PM
Thanks, IDP.  What you've written here about the RFID chips was included in what I'd posted; much of the rest I didn't know.  You write that Human Events reported on it, and I know Attkisson was making the rounds until lately, but I'm concerned that Gun Rights Examiner is not quite the MSM and therefore the information was not widely enough disseminated for the left to not nevertheless blur the extreme differences between the two many operations.

Right... well they delineated the details of the differences in a hard-news segment on Fox a couple times yesterday. Fox isn't "credible" as rebuttal to the Leftist narrative, I know, but it seems to me that barely scratching the surface of this with a pinky fingernail uncovers differences that make the fingerpointing pretty empty. There's no "there" there.

Good on Fox, then!  They beat on it enough, some of the rest will perhaps feel compelled to some coverage as well.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 11, 2011, 04:31:12 PM

Quote

Rather than making large enough holes for the tags to be laid out inside weapons, agents force-fit them into the rifles.

That cramming caused the antennae to be folded, reducing the effective range of the tags. And an already short battery life (36-48 hours maximum) meant that should purchasers allow the firearms to sit, the tracking devices eliminated themselves.


Let me guess, it was BATF agents inserting the devices.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 11, 2011, 09:43:29 PM
I'd suppose that.  Ignoramusi, when all they had to do was tap any one of about a million more knowledgeable resources.  *sigh*
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 13, 2011, 06:51:50 PM

It’s important to note (http://biggovernment.com/tag/gary-grindler/) that Acting Deputy Attorney General at the time the briefing occurred was Gary G. Grindler, who is now Eric Holder’s Chief of Staff.

Quote
One key tidbit from Issa's letter to Holder (http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/doj_issas_recycled_charges_that_holder_lied_about_atfs_fast_and_furious_are_baseless.php)

Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently your Chief of Staff, received an extremely detailed briefing on Operation Fast and Furious on March 12, 2010. In this briefing, Grindler learned such minutiae as the number of times that Uriel Patino, a straw purchaser on food stamps who ultimately acquired 720 firearms, went in to a cooperating gun store and the amount of guns that he had bought. When former Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, a career federal prosecutor, learned similar information, he became sick to his stomach: "I had pulled out all Patino's -- and ROIs is, I'm sorry, report of investigation -- and you know, my stomach being in knots reading the number of times he went in and the amount of guns that he bought."

Methinks the beat ought to go a little faster.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2011, 07:57:24 PM
The drums should be deafening!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 13, 2011, 09:00:33 PM
The drums should be deafening!

 Just before the trap door opens and the rope tightens.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 13, 2011, 09:07:43 PM
The drums should be deafening!

 Just before the trap door opens and the rope tightens.

 ::rimshot::

Title: Obama knew about Fast & Furious 2 months before Holder lied (video)
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 13, 2011, 11:04:32 PM
How Did Obama Know About 'Fast And Furious' Before Holder? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIWSyoe6vA#ws)
Title: Re: Obama knew about Fast & Furious 2 months before Holder lied (video)
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 13, 2011, 11:49:00 PM

How Did Obama Know About 'Fast And Furious' Before Holder? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBIWSyoe6vA#ws)

Elijah, you're right.  It needs to be cleared up.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2011, 06:43:42 AM
Set the rotisserie on slow cook...

 ;)
Title: What did he know & when did he know it?
Post by: BMG on October 14, 2011, 09:47:33 AM
Interesting development in Fast & Furious...

http://www.breitbart.tv/how-did-obama-know-about-fast-and-furious-before-holder/ (http://www.breitbart.tv/how-did-obama-know-about-fast-and-furious-before-holder/)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/13/obama_spoke_about_fast__furious_before_holder_claimed_he_knew.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/13/obama_spoke_about_fast__furious_before_holder_claimed_he_knew.html)

These people make me sick!  ::puke::
Title: Now a White House aide is subpoenaed in Fast & Furious
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2011, 09:58:18 AM
Eric Schultz. THE Eric Schultz who allegedly screamed at CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson.

Issa subpoenas WH aide in Fast & Furious probe (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/14/issa-subpoenas-wh-aide-in-fast-furious-probe/)

Last week, CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson revealed that an Obama administration spokesman screamed and cursed at her in an attempt to get her to back off of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal.  Roll Call’s Jonathan Strong reports this morning that Schultz just found a subpoena on his doorstep along with Eric Holder and host of other figures, but Schultz’ position in the White House itself makes him unique:

[blockquote]House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) made headlines this week byissuing a subpoena for documents from Attorney General Eric Holderabout a botched weapons investigation, but Holder is apparently not Issa’s only target.

A little-noticed provision of the subpoena targets the White House, specifically naming Eric Schultz, a communications aide who was hired in May to respond to media inquiries on oversight matters. …

The subpoena also requires Holder to produce “all communications between and among Department of Justice (DOJ) employees and Executive Office of the President employees, including but not limited to Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any other firearms trafficking cases.”[/blockquote]

Strong’s source on the Oversight Committee says that the subpoena for Schultz came from suspicions that the White House was directing the DoJ’s resistance to document requests....

More linked @ HotAir...
Title: Re: What did he know & when did he know it?
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2011, 11:18:00 AM
Yup.

FYI - We've been documenting this in 2A thread.

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.220.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.220.html)
Title: Re: What did he know & when did he know it?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2011, 11:19:59 AM
I'll go ahead and merge it with the already existing thread - although, if this thing explodes into a full blown scandal with political casualties, it might need a category of its own!

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on October 14, 2011, 11:47:37 AM
Thanx! Didn't realize it was in here.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2011, 01:05:18 PM
Thanx! Didn't realize it was in here.

It's OK. Sometimes it's clear where things need to go, or when I need to merge or separate threads. Other times it's not.

This one started off clear, because it seemed to be a 2A issue all the way. But now it looks like it touches world affairs, illegal immigration, politics, crime... That's why I'm considering giving it its own category if it goes much further. If it blows up into special prosecutor territory or goes right up to the White House, there will be news about it every day, and it will go on for a long, long time. If it has its own category, we can discuss the different aspects and new developments in new threads if need be. For now, we'll just discuss it in this thread...
 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 14, 2011, 03:31:24 PM
This is one of IAL's outstanding topics (most complete documentation anywhere) and if it goes political it will fill a folder.  

ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?  (Read 7561 times)  out of 256 posts,
That's nearly 30 views per post.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 14, 2011, 04:01:02 PM
More .....

Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/breaking-new-evidence-show-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker?CID=examiner_alerts_article)

Quote
According to investigative citizen journalist Mike Vanderboegh, sources close to the development of the Gunwalker scheme state that early on, Hillary and her trusted associated at State, Andrew J. Shapiro, devised at least part of the framework of what would later become Operation Fast and Furious. It was Shapiro who first described the details of the proposed scheme early in 2009 just after the Obama Administration took office.
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Vanderboegh relates the following:

    My sources say that as Hillary's trusted subordinate, it was Shapiro who first described to the Secretary of State the details of what has become the Gunwalker Scandal.

    The precise extent to which Hillary Clinton's knowledge of, and responsibility for, the Gunwalker Plot, lies within the memories of these two men, Shapiro and Steinberg, sources say.

    The sources also express dismay that the Issa committee is apparently restricting itself to the Department of Justice and not venturing further afield. The House Foreign Affairs Committee, they say, needs to summon these two men and their subordinates -- especially at the Mexico Desk at State -- and question them under oath as to what Hillary Clinton knew about the origins of the Gunwalker Scandal and when she knew it.

    There is one other thing those sources agree upon. The CIA, they say, knows "everything" about the "Mexican hat dance" that became the Gunwalker Scandal.

There's more at the link.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 14, 2011, 04:04:49 PM
I suppose it's too much to hope that one scandal would get rid of both Obama and Clinton?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 14, 2011, 04:09:38 PM
More .....

Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/breaking-new-evidence-show-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker?CID=examiner_alerts_article)

Ho-lee-sh¡t!!!

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According to sources, Hillary was obsessed with gun statistics that would prove that '90% of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States.' As previouly reported, that meme, repeated incessantly by Democratic Senators, Barack Obama, certan members of the ATF, Janet Napolitano, and Hillary Clinton was patently and blatantly false. The fact that they all knew it was false is borne out by the lengths to which each of the above named co-conspirators went to attempt to 'prove' that the 90% figure was true...

<snip>

...Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: "ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics."

...Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air--90%--which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels.

And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was 'in the loop' on the scheme from the very beginning.

Ho-lee-sh¡t!!!

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 14, 2011, 04:18:42 PM

Quote
Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was 'in the loop' on the scheme from the very beginning.

Put her in the pot, that's fine but don't neglect the others.


see them all sniffing and drooling around the table
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 14, 2011, 04:33:24 PM

Quote
Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was 'in the loop' on the scheme from the very beginning.

Put her in the pot, that's fine but don't neglect the others.


see them all sniffing and drooling around the table

No way 'neglect the others'!  We get a pot as big as the underside of DuhWun's bus and we can get rid of ALL of them in one fell swoop.

Damn right, Ho-lee-sh¡t!!!, IDP.

Pray for Issa; that he knows what he's doing, does it, and stays safe while he's doing it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 14, 2011, 06:53:41 PM
...We get a pot as big as the underside of DuhWun's bus and we can get rid of ALL of them in one fell swoop.

Damn right, Ho-lee-sh¡t!!!, IDP.

Pray for Issa; that he knows what he's doing, does it, and stays safe while he's doing it.

 ::praying:: ::praying:: ::praying::

and

 ::danceban:: ::danceban:: ::danceban::

and

 ::popcorn:: ::popcorn:: ::popcorn::

Round all up!
I've said since BO was elected that all the libs would take his election as an excuse to do anything they wanted--running roughshod over all of us. I hope they all took advantage of it and that they all in up in the pot together.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 15, 2011, 11:34:33 AM
...I've said since BO was elected that all the libs would take his election as an excuse to do anything they wanted--running roughshod over all of us....

I've thought the same thing too LadyV. The thing that has been nagging at me since ObamaCare is that they have acted as if they have no fear of consequences. Almost as if they knew that they could act with impunity, and that 2012 would not be a problem.

It's either that, or they're all complete idiots who thought that totalitarianism would be considered a welcome gift by the American people.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on October 15, 2011, 07:01:01 PM
... or they're all complete idiots who thought that totalitarianism would be considered a welcome gift by the American people.

that^^

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on October 16, 2011, 04:11:04 PM
I don't want to neglect the others......but many times there is the scapegoat.....the sacrificial lamb. Since there apparantly are so many high rankers who knew....I don't want to make lite of those who died because of liberal stupidity, but if Issa keeps the pressure up, who will be the first lib to squeal?

This is one tme they cannot blame Bush, but who will be the first to cut a deal?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 16, 2011, 04:19:21 PM
  Go for the bastards in office now and the rest will float to the top as everybody tries to make a deal. Give the rats the oportunity to eat each other.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 16, 2011, 04:34:58 PM
I don't want to neglect the others......but many times there is the scapegoat.....the sacrificial lamb. Since there apparantly are so many high rankers who knew....I don't want to make lite of those who died because of liberal stupidity, but if Issa keeps the pressure up, who will be the first lib to squeal?

This is one tme they cannot blame Bush, but who will be the first to cut a deal?

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.msg36062.html#msg36062 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.msg36062.html#msg36062)

IIRC today Holeder [sic] said that it wasn't he that viewed the emails it was one of his assistants.

OK he's getting ready to dump on an assistant.
The assistants know one of them is going to be dumped on.
All the assistants are nervous.
Come on assistant, give it up, tell us what you know and we'll let you go.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on October 16, 2011, 04:53:21 PM
I don't want to neglect the others......but many times there is the scapegoat.....the sacrificial lamb. Since there apparantly are so many high rankers who knew....I don't want to make lite of those who died because of liberal stupidity, but if Issa keeps the pressure up, who will be the first lib to squeal?

This is one tme they cannot blame Bush, but who will be the first to cut a deal?

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.msg36062.html#msg36062 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1730.msg36062.html#msg36062)

IIRC today Holeder [sic] said that it wasn't he that viewed the emails it was one of his assistants.

OK he's getting ready to dump on an assistant.
The assistants know one of them is going to be dumped on.
All the assistants are nervous.
Come on assistant, give it up, tell us what you know and we'll let you go.




Thanks, I forgot this had been a topic of discussion.

 "Character" and democrat have nothing in common. Like water and oil, they don't mix. I guess Holder believes America is so stupid to believe an underling would be in charge of such a program..... Crap, I forgot.Wall street protestors, Holder does believe America is stupid.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 16, 2011, 05:51:30 PM

Rush is right (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/14/all_the_president_s_liars_the_new_black_panthers_case_exposed_by_j_christian_adams_and_the_fast_furious_scandal)

...
He calls it racialist. There is a racialist attitude that has pervaded in the appointees, in the agenda, in the policies.  I said, "What do you mean by racialist?"  He said, "I want to be clear.  I'm not calling them racist.  The prism that they look through as they judge every case is via race."

And using my own words, paraphrasing what Christian Adams told me, he said it's not just the Department of Justice, civil rights division, the voting rights division, it's not just that you have a bunch of liberals in there now, that there is this sense of payback, that Holder carries around with him a statement -- in fact,...

...

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2011, 06:29:15 PM
Yup, he's right.

Again!

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on October 16, 2011, 07:23:17 PM
"random act of journalism. . ."  LOL!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on October 16, 2011, 08:47:28 PM
It might be time to warm up Old Sparky.

(http://leatherhead.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/old-sparky.jpg)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 16, 2011, 11:12:02 PM

Put them in that room for 45 minutes with Alan West.



have a plenty of mops for the clean up crew
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2011, 07:00:26 AM
First -

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d5/Waterboard3-small.jpg/250px-Waterboard3-small.jpg)

Then Old Sparky!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 17, 2011, 06:15:20 PM
I watched the Green Mile last night.Works for me.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 17, 2011, 07:13:44 PM
Really like that movie.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on October 18, 2011, 06:11:35 AM
Historically, I learned Dickens' work was originally a serial read published in the newspapers.  Newspapers no longer hold that spot in our cultural panoply, but paperback books do (or at least did what with the prices now).  I remember reading Zelazny's Amber series on an 'anxiously awaiting paperback release' basis.  I read the first two Dune books, and watched for the release of the third, Children of Dune; it was also a group thing with those I hung out with in college - to be one of those who read it early (like those who wait in line overnight for some Star Wars movie).  (From Wiki:  "A sequel, Dune Messiah, followed in 1969. A third novel called Children of Dune was published in 1976, and was later nominated for a Hugo Award. Children of Dune became the first hardcover best-seller ever in the science fiction field. In 1981 Herbert released God Emperor of Dune, which was ranked as the #11 hardcover fiction best seller of 1981 by Publishers Weekly. 1984's Heretics of Dune, The New York Times #13 hardcover fiction best seller of that year, was followed in quick succession by Chapterhouse: Dune in 1985. Herbert died on February 11, 1986.")  I gave up after trying to read God Emperor of Dune.  I also remember The Green Mile serial in paperback, five thin books, checking the mall bookstore near where I worked quite often to see if the latest was out.  They were all quick reads, and you really wanted the next book because you had no idea where the story was going.  Reading The Green Mile as it came out in those small paperbacks, was as close to being a reader of Dickens' work in Victorian newspaper serial fashion as I've ever experienced.  But then again, for any of this story to make any sense one has to love to read (as people who post regularly on blogs do, I mean, c'mon, we have to read each other soooooo. . .).  Culturally, now it's the latest video game; even movies have taken a back seat to video games and gaming in general.  Oh well.

The End of History will come not with a bellicose bang but with an illiterate whimper.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 18, 2011, 06:42:11 AM
I had forgotten all about that serial roll-out of "The Green Mile". That was a unique thing, especially since King had been seemingly pumping out a book-a-year at the time. You couldn't hardly walk through the grocery store - let alone a book store - for a couple decades it seems, without seeing the name Stephen King.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2011, 07:24:49 AM
This is truly too much to take!

Perhaps in an effort to do some damage control, President Obama has agreed to an interview with ABC’s Jack Tapper, reportedly telling the newsman that the “people who have screwed up will be held accountable.” He also allegedly went on to say that whoever gave the green light for the Operation would be held responsible.

“It’s very upsetting to me to think that somebody showed such bad judgment that they would allow something like that to happen,” he said. “And we will find out who and what happened in this situation and make sure it gets corrected.”

“I have complete confidence in him, and I’ve got complete confidence in the process to figure out who, in fact, was responsible for that decision and how it got made.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-vows-to-hold-those-responsible-for-fast-and-furious-accountable/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-vows-to-hold-those-responsible-for-fast-and-furious-accountable/)

What a load of crap!  If this lying sack of excrement was accountable he would fire Holder and allow him to be prosecuted and convicted without any chance at a pardon, and then this idiot would resign because he apparently know more about the operation than his POS Attorney General!

I want them both in fricken chains!  Anything less is a gross miscarriage of justice!

 ::gaah::   ::outrage::   ::angry::   ::cussing::   ::rockets::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on October 19, 2011, 09:07:14 AM
He also allegedly went on to say that whoever gave the green light for the Operation would be held responsible.

Wonder if that include Hillary?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 19, 2011, 10:35:24 AM

He's working deligently to assure the "right" ones are apprehended in order to secure his innocence.

Yeah, that's it.  "I know nothing".

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on October 19, 2011, 11:02:36 AM
"Considering how silent the White House has been up to this point, this recent decision to sit down for an interview on the subject certainly does mark a new attitude towards the scandal."


Translation: The most transparent presidency ever have met secretly (obama, holder and hillary) and identified thier scapegoats.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on October 19, 2011, 05:52:37 PM
We have to get rid of this Marxist looser sooner rather than later.
 ::mooning:: ::rockets:: ::evilbat:: ::cussing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on October 21, 2011, 09:10:09 AM
Will “Fast and Furious” Topple Obama and Holder?



Thursday, 20 October 2011 18:09 Roger Aronoff    

Quote
"As much as the media have tried shielding the Obama administration from responsibility for corruption and malfeasance, the combined weight of the fallout from the Solyndra fiasco and the Operation Fast and Furious scandal have begun taking a serious toll on the administration. I will address Solyndra, the so called green energy company that received federal loans of more than a half a billion dollars, and then went bankrupt, in an upcoming report.

That is starting to look like the tip of an iceberg of a political payoff scandal. But with subpoenas having been issued on October 13th in the Fast and Furious scandal to Attorney General Eric Holder and a total of 16 Justice Department officials, a variant of the famous Watergate question is being asked: “What did Eric Holder and President Obama know, and when did they know it?”

http://www.rightsidenews.com/2011102014765/editorial/us-opinion-and-editorial/will-fast-and-furious-topple-obama-and-holder.html?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 01, 2011, 02:04:40 PM
Quote
   Documents just released this afternoon show the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division, Lanny A. Breuer, learned about the tactic of ATF gunwalking as early as April of last year.

    In a memo, Breuer’s deputy wrote him that, in a case called “Wide Receiver” started under the Bush Administration, “ATF let a bunch of guns walk” in an effort to catch the big fish of Mexican drug cartels and said the gunwalking case could be “embarrassing” to ATF.

    Today, Breuer issued a statement saying he “regrets” that he didn’t alert others in Justice Department leadership, apparently including his boss Attorney General Eric Holder.

    In a separate ATF case reported by CBS News earlier this year, called “Fast and Furious” and started under the Obama Administration, Breuer says he likewise regrets not alerting leaders about the similarities in the cases. That, said Breuer, was a mistake.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/01/breuer-becoming-the-fast-furious-fall-guy/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/01/breuer-becoming-the-fast-furious-fall-guy/)

Do you believe this crap?  They're STILL trying to tie Bush and Wide Receiver to this F&F piece of treason.  Breuer as firewall is not going to work.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on November 01, 2011, 02:17:14 PM
Quote
Breuer as firewall is not going to work.

After seeing all of the garbage that the progressives have gotten away with over the last 100 years or so - I certainly hope you're right; that this won't work and that it will eventually lead right to Holder and Obama's front doors. But color me a skeptic I guess...because the lengthy and sordid history of what progressives have already gotten away with at the expense of the people of this country (in terms of lives lost, freedoms lost and money lost) doesn't instill much confidence in me that they will finally pay for something horrible that they've done.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 01, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
Quote
Breuer as firewall is not going to work.

After seeing all of the garbage that the progressives have gotten away with over the last 100 years or so - I certainly hope you're right; that this won't work and that it will eventually lead right to Holder and Obama's front doors. But color me a skeptic I guess...because the lengthy and sordid history of what progressives have already gotten away with at the expense of the people of this country (in terms of lives lost, freedoms lost and money lost) doesn't instill much confidence in me that they will finally pay for something horrible that they've done.

Breuer as firewall is not going to work because the WH knew in late September ... of 2010 --

Quote
Breuer appears ready to argue that the knowledge of gunwalking only went as high as his desk, and that Breuer never told Holder about the effort. That’s going to be difficult to believe, especially since we already know that the White House got extensively briefed on the matter directly from the Phoenix office.  Are we to believe that Breuer didn’t get asked about this from above, or that the White House wouldn’t have asked Holder about an operation conducted in his own fiefdom?  It seems unlikely that the buck stopped at Breuer’s desk, especially given the international implications of gunwalking across the border.

Link (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/01/friday-night-fnf-document-dump-shows-extensive-communication-with-white-house/)

The link to this story was contained in the HotAir piece I linked just before.

I'm not saying they're not going to skate away from this, just not by this tactic.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on November 01, 2011, 06:34:46 PM
Oh, I hear ya Pan...it's just that I'm reminded of stained little blue dresses and what the definition of 'is' is, etc. The progressives have managed to worm their way out of other such situations. Guess I'm just being cynical again.  ;D
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 01, 2011, 08:13:17 PM

Issa'smen better be beating every bush on this continent.
It's out there, Bama's baby blue dress, they better find it
and use it.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2011, 08:36:06 PM
They think they are above the law and beyond reproach.

Time to cut these sonsofbitches down to size.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 02, 2011, 11:14:17 AM

Downstream BATF and related are faster becoming furious. 
There are flurries of comments; what about our people in
Mexico, they ride in armored cars and their wives cannot
leave the house?
; and What about Brian Terry?; They don't
give a damn
. There are too many honest persons put in
jeopardy by this scheme, evidence will be forthcoming.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 11:47:46 AM
Where are the comments being made?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 02, 2011, 12:22:44 PM

Fox.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 12:27:53 PM
Thanx.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Sectionhand on November 02, 2011, 12:40:43 PM
It would appear the the DOJ's response has been  "Slow and Spurious" !
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 12:44:18 PM
Good one, SH.

Bob Owens also believes the Breuer firewall isn't cutting it. (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-lanny-breuer-fails-to-take-pressure-off-eric-holder/?singlepage=true)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 02, 2011, 01:24:53 PM

Quote

This means that the Arms Export Control Act was more
than likely violated, and strongly suggests that the administration
committed thousands of felony violations of the act in addition to
the other laws that may have been broken.


IIRC what they did is an act of war. Regardless whether this was an
act of war or not the silence coming from Mexico is deafening.
If this was some human rights offense they would be squealing to
high heaven.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 02, 2011, 01:36:24 PM

Quote

This means that the Arms Export Control Act was more
than likely violated, and strongly suggests that the administration
committed thousands of felony violations of the act in addition to
the other laws that may have been broken.


IIRC what they did is an act of war. Regardless whether this was an
act of war or not the silence coming from Mexico is deafening.
If this was some human rights offense they would be squealing to
high heaven.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the idea that if State had been asked and given permission, it's being looked at as the Arms Export Control Act not being violated.  As I know nothing about the law, it appears the government can legally exempt itself from this law too.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 02, 2011, 01:49:58 PM

Quote

This means that the Arms Export Control Act was more
than likely violated, and strongly suggests that the administration
committed thousands of felony violations of the act in addition to
the other laws that may have been broken.


IIRC what they did is an act of war. Regardless whether this was an
act of war or not the silence coming from Mexico is deafening.
If this was some human rights offense they would be squealing to
high heaven.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the idea that if State had been asked and given permission, it's being looked at as the Arms Export Control Act not being violated.  As I know nothing about the law, it appears the government can legally exempt itself from this law too.

I have no idea.

Quote

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/arizona-sheriff-says-2-guns-found-in-bust-linked-to-fast-and-furious/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/arizona-sheriff-says-2-guns-found-in-bust-linked-to-fast-and-furious/)
Crime & Courts - US
Arizona Sheriff Says 2 Guns Found in Bust Linked to 'Fast and Furious'


I think the below story is a continuation of the above, there are
also several story videos at link.


Quote

Deported Drug Cartel Member Caught With $1.6M in Drugs in Arizona  
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=busted+in+school+zone&submit=Search (http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=busted+in+school+zone&submit=Search)
U.S.… busts were announced Monday at a Phoenix news conference in which officials displayed hundreds of pounds of drugs ..... hours later when a deputy clocked him driving at 50 mph in a 15 mph school zone in Stanfield, about 50 miles south of Phoenix. A chase …

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2011, 06:50:29 AM

Quote

This means that the Arms Export Control Act was more
than likely violated, and strongly suggests that the administration
committed thousands of felony violations of the act in addition to
the other laws that may have been broken.


IIRC what they did is an act of war. Regardless whether this was an
act of war or not the silence coming from Mexico is deafening.
If this was some human rights offense they would be squealing to
high heaven.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the idea that if State had been asked and given permission, it's being looked at as the Arms Export Control Act not being violated.  As I know nothing about the law, it appears the government can legally exempt itself from this law too.

At the very least they have established a precedent, all those people wanting to import our Korean War M-1's back into the country should file a class action suit against DoJ!  I'd really love to see that!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2011, 06:51:55 AM

Quote

This means that the Arms Export Control Act was more
than likely violated, and strongly suggests that the administration
committed thousands of felony violations of the act in addition to
the other laws that may have been broken.


IIRC what they did is an act of war. Regardless whether this was an
act of war or not the silence coming from Mexico is deafening.
If this was some human rights offense they would be squealing to
high heaven.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the idea that if State had been asked and given permission, it's being looked at as the Arms Export Control Act not being violated.  As I know nothing about the law, it appears the government can legally exempt itself from this law too.

I have no idea.

Quote

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/arizona-sheriff-says-2-guns-found-in-bust-linked-to-fast-and-furious/ (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/01/arizona-sheriff-says-2-guns-found-in-bust-linked-to-fast-and-furious/)
Crime & Courts - US
Arizona Sheriff Says 2 Guns Found in Bust Linked to 'Fast and Furious'


I think the below story is a continuation of the above, there are
also several story videos at link.


Quote

Deported Drug Cartel Member Caught With $1.6M in Drugs in Arizona  
http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=busted+in+school+zone&submit=Search (http://www.foxnews.com/search-results/search?q=busted+in+school+zone&submit=Search)
U.S.… busts were announced Monday at a Phoenix news conference in which officials displayed hundreds of pounds of drugs ..... hours later when a deputy clocked him driving at 50 mph in a 15 mph school zone in Stanfield, about 50 miles south of Phoenix. A chase …



So, what?  Not enough evidence gathered yet for an enterprising DA to bend Erica over with?

 ::bashing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on November 04, 2011, 07:45:30 PM
Frankenstein's at it again...

http://pjmedia.com/blog/for-sen-feinstein-gunwalker-still-an-excuse-to-push-gun-control/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/for-sen-feinstein-gunwalker-still-an-excuse-to-push-gun-control/?singlepage=true)

Quote
On Tuesday, Senator Dianne Feinstein used a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on Operation Fast and Furious to advocate for gun control:

    “My concern, Mr. Chairman, is there’s been a lot said about Fast and Furious, and perhaps mistakes were made, but I think this hunt for blame doesn’t really speak about the problem,” Feinstein said during the Tuesday hearing. “And the problem is, anybody can walk in and buy anything, .50-caliber weapons, sniper weapons, buy them in large amounts, and send them down to Mexico. So, the question really becomes, what do we do about this?”

    “I’ve been here 18 years,” Feinstein continued. “I’ve watched the BATF get beaten up at every turn on the road. And, candidly, it’s just not right.”

“The problem” that the California Democrat wants to gloss over is that agents of the federal government, acting under orders from officials and appointees from the Obama administration, walked more than 2,020 firearms to the Sinaloa cartel, and now they refuse to say who concocted the plot, who signed off on it, or what the real purpose of the operation was. Operation Fast and Furious is just one of ten gunwalking operations in five states, including at least one operation in the Midwest that supplied weapons to domestic criminal gangs.

Senator Feinstein has long had an irrational interest in large-caliber, long-range firearms. She specifically mentioned .50-caliber weapons and “sniper weapons” during the hearing, even though these prohibitively expensive and specialized firearms are almost never used in crimes.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 04, 2011, 07:53:53 PM
Yah, I posted that on a related thread here somewhere.

They have to know the jig is up; they have to know we know just what they were trying to do, and yet, they carry on with the program.

It evokes, in listening to her lying bullsht, the meaning of the word aghast.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2011, 11:25:41 AM

We need to understand our enemy and thier weapons.

The libs concocted an ill conceived plan, using the selective selling of firearms to manufacturer a result, without a doubt understanding casualities will occur.

Is there any doubt  killing is well within thier acceptable parameter, even if they are not willing to "pull the trigger".

Whether they are using death as a platform for political gain or willing to accept collateral damage, the end always justifies the means with democrats.

Understand it and one day you may not be a victim.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 05, 2011, 03:16:15 PM

We need to understand our enemy and thier weapons.

The libs concocted an ill conceived plan, using the selective selling of firearms to manufacturer a result, without a doubt understanding casualities will occur.

Is there any doubt  killing is well within thier acceptable parameter, even if they are not willing to "pull the trigger".

Whether they are using death as a platform for political gain or willing to accept collateral damage, the end always justifies the means with democrats.

Understand it and one day you may not be a victim.

And is there a doubt that this is not the only scheme in operation against us?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on November 05, 2011, 03:45:01 PM

We need to understand our enemy and thier weapons.

The libs concocted an ill conceived plan, using the selective selling of firearms to manufacturer a result, without a doubt understanding casualities will occur.

Is there any doubt  killing is well within thier acceptable parameter, even if they are not willing to "pull the trigger".

Whether they are using death as a platform for political gain or willing to accept collateral damage, the end always justifies the means with democrats.

Understand it and one day you may not be a victim.

And is there a doubt that this is not the only scheme in operation against us?




The election of obama only intensified the efforts.....brought them out in the open. If not for the overwhelming loss of seats  orchastrated by the Tea Party, we would be inundated by rinos and liberals.


From OWS, fast and furious, czars, bailouts, takeovers, healthcare, ets, libs have been busy destroying our way of life and liberty.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2011, 11:41:17 AM
What a pathetic performance by the most corrupt AG ever to hold office!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/us/holder-fast-and-furious/index.html?section=cnn_latest (http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/08/us/holder-fast-and-furious/index.html?section=cnn_latest)

His ass should be swinging from the capitol flagpole!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on November 09, 2011, 09:59:46 AM
Former Ariz. US Attorney admits leaking memo smearing Fast and Furious whistle-blower

Published: 12:54 AM 11/09/2011
 
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller

Quote
"Former Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, who resigned in August, admitted late Tuesday that he leaked a document aimed at smearing Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent John Dodson, an Operation Fast and Furious whistle-blower.

“Dennis regrets his role in disclosing the memo but he’s a stand-up guy and is willing to take responsibility for what he did,” Chuck Rosenberg, Burke’s lawyer, said according to NPR. “It was absolutely not Dennis’s intent to retaliate against Special Agent Dodson or anyone else for the information they provided Congress.”

Rosenberg claims Burke is cooperating with congressional investigators.

The memo that leaked this summer ended up being an attempt by Justice Department officials to cast aspersions on Dodson — one of the leading ATF Fast and Furious whistle-blowers. Burke admitted he leaked the memo in a Tuesday afternoon letter to Justice Department Inspector General Cynthia Schnedar.

The memo was leaked to press and had the names of criminal suspects deleted — but kept Dodson’s name on it. Attorney General Eric Holder came under fire during Tuesday morning’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing when he wouldn’t answer any questions from Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley about the leaked memo, who was held accountable for it and how they were held accountable.

It’s unclear if Burke was the only DOJ official who leaked documents to smear whistle-blowers, but Dodson thinks Burke “did not act alone.”

(RELATED: Holder says he knew about Fast and Furious longer than he first admitted)




Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/09/former-ariz-us-attorney-admits-leaking-memo-smearing-fast-and-furious-whistle-blower/#ixzz1dDvETt2L (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/09/former-ariz-us-attorney-admits-leaking-memo-smearing-fast-and-furious-whistle-blower/#ixzz1dDvETt2L)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 09, 2011, 10:39:41 AM

“It was absolutely not Dennis’s intent to retaliate against Special Agent Dodson..."

I've come to smear Agent Dodson not retaliate against him.  ...right
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2011, 11:25:25 AM
Well, that's one Obamanoid identified as a Regime fallguy.  We'll convict his ass soon enough, but I want to manacle the big fish!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: jpatrickham on November 09, 2011, 11:31:03 AM
Well, that's one Obamanoid identified as a Regime fallguy.  We'll convict his ass soon enough, but I want to manacle the big fish!


Fall Guys will be dropping out of the sky like so much Bird sh*te from a huge flock. My suggestion, don't look up! 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 11:33:01 AM
Quote
Katie Pavlich: Operation Fast and Furious was not botched (http://www.therightscoop.com/katie-pavlich-operation-fast-and-furious-was-not-botched/)

Townhall news editor Katie Pavlich has written an excellent column, pointing out that Fast and Furious was not a “botched” operation as is often reported in the media.

On the contrary, it went exactly according to plan (http://townhall.com/columnists/katiepavlich/2011/11/10/fast_and_furious_was_not_botched/page/full/). And that’s the real scandal.
Right Scoop and Townhall ahead of the curve, astounding, this is truly breaking news.

Time warp?  
Scotty, beam me up.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
Pretty jive's with everything we think, right?!  I mean, to use Cankles own words...doesn't it require a "willing suspension of disbelief" by all concerned to think giving weapons over was not going to blow up in faces?  This whole thing was designed to malign American gun makers and American gun dealers complicit in death and mayhem so as to gin-up public support for their long-held desires to make gun ownership (if not illegal) infinitely difficult, period!  The only part that backfired was The Regime failing to account for people of good conscience who called this a dumb idea from the get-go and who were hounded for saying so and now wit the entire cat out of the bag these top echelon jackasses like Obama & Holder think they can feign ignorance and run the blame Bush playbook and get away with it?  Fvck that noise!  I want these bastards nailed to walls and left to rot!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2011, 11:51:23 AM
I'm beginning to believe there is something to the suspicion the intent was to help the Sinaloa cartel maintain its dominent position in Mexico, as well.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 12:10:19 PM

Bi-national thug agreement.
A new low in international trade agreements.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on November 10, 2011, 10:04:27 PM
Looking for a F&F silver lining, the only thing I got is the fact that so many gun dealers had so many concerns and reported them to BATFE.  Having the Government on record as saying 'go ahead and make the questionable sale' destroys the American and Mexican governments' propaganda about lax gun sales here.  A better silver lining would be an important person or persons up on involuntary manslaughter charges and ending up going to jail.  (Gee, that sounds so much like the left's attitude toward the Bush Administration.  That's about the only similarity as the ideological reasons are vastly different.  Sort of like the TEA Party and #OWS are both out there protesting, sometimes the same things but, again, for vastly different ideological reasons.)

On an unrelated side note, there's one thing among many items missing from the news reports:  The corruption history of Chicago.  Everybody (who actually paid attention in school) has heard of Tammany Hall, but so little about the royalty in Chicago governance.  Why, it's almost as if the residents there vote to live under a third world kleptocracy; Chicago has a long and storied history of corruption, as does Illinois in general (not the picture of Middle America most people have, though).

A story my Mom told me:  When she was a little girl growing up in the coal country of southwest Virginia, around 8 or 9, at the beginning of the Depression in '30-'31, she said her Dad (whom I never met) was listening to the radio and the announcer had some teaser (yeah, they were there back then, though I don't know what they were called then) about corruption in Illinois.  Now remember this is a few hundred miles away in an age of limited communication.  She said he muttered out loud something like:  'Everybody knows there's corruption in Illinois.  Been known for years.'  That Obama came from one of the most corrupt city regimes in the country barely earns a whimper in the media.

If there's two things I want from a Barry Court Administration, it's that we as a Nation look harder at the qualifications of those wanting to become President and begin to scrutinize every lawyer running just a little bit harder.  I'd also like to think that this Country will not elect anyone from a big city again anytime soon.  Would any of you want Bloomberg?  (Take my mayor, please!)  Or Giuliani?  Trust me on ol' Rudy, he had many good points, but his personal life while in office was a mess, a self-imploded complicated mess.  He also had his nanny state moments that people now either overlook or never hear about.  In NYC, jaywalking is not the crime it is in other parts of the country (most especially an area like Los Angeles).  We're adults here, and if the coast is clear, who gives a sh*t about the color of a light bulb inside some metal canister hanging by a wire over the street?  It's not like it's sentient or anything.  So Rudy gets it into his little totalitarian head to put up barricades (sort of like metal bicycle racks) on the corners of some of Midtown's busiest intersections (yeah, I know, to some of you, they're all busy, but someplace like the corner of 6th and 48th, with Radio City right there, the intersection being the SW corner of Rockefeller Center).  Now the erected barricades funneled people into little lanes in order to cross the street with the light as you had to walk quite a ways to get around them.  Slowed pedestrian traffic to a crawl, which affected motorized traffic.  And when a pedestrian only has a couple of minutes to grab something to eat then sit for a while somewhere and consume lunch, well, minutes count.  The whole barricade idea was eventually laughed out of existence, because even the cops were annoyed by them.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 10, 2011, 10:12:00 PM
Quote
So Rudy gets it into his little totalitarian head to put up barricades (sort of like metal bicycle racks) on the corners of some of Midtown's busiest intersections (yeah, I know, to some of you, they're all busy, but someplace like the corner of 6th and 48th, with Radio City right there, the intersection being the SW corner of Rockefeller Center).  Now the erected barricades funneled people into little lanes in order to cross the street with the light as you had to walk quite a ways to get around them.  Slowed pedestrian traffic to a crawl, which affected motorized traffic.  And when a pedestrian only has a couple of minutes to grab something to eat then sit for a while somewhere and consume lunch, well, minutes count.  The whole barricade idea was eventually laughed out of existence, because even the cops were annoyed by them.

Which is exactly what the Rudy-ies of this country have backward.  The government, every facet of it, is supposed to respresent and reflect the will of the people, barring Constitutional violations.  Rudy carried his "broken windows" theory to the extreme.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 10, 2011, 11:38:29 PM
Sipsey Street (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/)
brings you the Cornyn timeline.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ur0hk7YQYvA/TrpQmFGY91I/AAAAAAAAKFw/4gyTBPsxG6Q/s1600/Cornyntimeline.jpg)

ETA: Anybody know how to size this monster?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2011, 06:27:21 AM
I'd say the size looks good...I can read it!  ::thumbsup::

What that timeline shows me is Holder and everyone in the DoJ is full of lying pieces of scat!  

PS-They need to work in Barry's statements on that timeline, no way in hell that should be left off!   ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on November 11, 2011, 07:09:39 AM
Rudy carried his "broken windows" theory to the extreme.

The irony being there wasn't a broken window to fix in the first place.  Giuliani had that totalitarian nanny state coupled with former Federal prosecutor thing going on.  While that worked for much of what was wrong, crime, subway graffiti, overall filth and grime and, yes, real broken windows, he just never seemed to know when to stop.  Giuliani as President would be another Nixon.  He'd get wrapped up in the minutiae and lose sight of the big picture.  For all the knocking/griping/mocking/laughing at/being pissed off at of Obama we do, there is one thing Obama does get:  The Big Picture.  And that is a really bad thing for us.

I think Rudy took the 'I'm in charge' mantra a little too far.  But after Dinkins, Giuliani was a breath of fresh air.  He was leaving the mayorship before 9/11 (which happened to be a mayoral primary voting day; the only election where I've voted twice), as he had served two consecutive terms, which was a city ordinance/law/whatever that a person could not be mayor three consecutive terms.  So Giuliani sort of anointed Bloomberg, who later changes the two-term in a row rule so he could run - and win -  a third term.  One reason for the hands off treatment of the #OWS shantytown is that Bloomberg, besides being an elite nanny state @sshole, is not running again and he doesn't want his legacy to be 'white boy' riots.  The fact that Giuliani picked Bloomberg will make me always question his judgement, not just those sidewalk barricades that made me go WTF?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2011, 07:34:35 AM
Time to apprehend these clowns and drag them into the hearing room by force.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/10/grassley-holder-refusing-to-provide-11-witnesses-for-fast-and-furious-interviews/ (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/10/grassley-holder-refusing-to-provide-11-witnesses-for-fast-and-furious-interviews/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 11, 2011, 02:20:29 PM

Give the Federal Marshals some
warrants and tell them to do their duty.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 13, 2011, 02:55:31 PM
Amen!  Otherwise...

Don't make me come down there!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 13, 2011, 03:53:22 PM
Rudy carried his "broken windows" theory to the extreme.

The irony being there wasn't a broken window to fix in the first place.  Giuliani had that totalitarian nanny state coupled with former Federal prosecutor thing going on.  ...

Strolling around times square pre Giuliani, whoof.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on November 13, 2011, 04:27:02 PM
Rudy carried his "broken windows" theory to the extreme.

The irony being there wasn't a broken window to fix in the first place.  Giuliani had that totalitarian nanny state coupled with former Federal prosecutor thing going on.  ...

Strolling around times square pre Giuliani, whoof.


 No thank you.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 14, 2011, 10:44:13 AM

http://www.tobytoons.com/td/cartoon/20111114/a-fast-furious-apology.html (http://www.tobytoons.com/td/cartoon/20111114/a-fast-furious-apology.html)


HT/ RS (http://www.redstate.com/dia0420/2011/11/14/a-fast-furious-apology/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2011, 11:27:56 AM
That's one sucky apology!  Nothing says "I'm sorry" and "It's my fault" like resigning!

Another T-Shirt idea - "Obama corruption is everywhere...at least Nixon had enough class to resign!"

!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 14, 2011, 09:44:31 PM

Link (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/11/as-gunwalker-conspiracy-cover-up.html)
Quote

As the Gunwalker conspiracy cover-up continues to unravel, I increasingly hear a legal term being mentioned: Misprision of a Felony.
...
...
Interestingly, a federal judge -- or any other government official -- is required as part of their mandatory administrative duties to receive any offer of information of a federal crime. If that judge or official blocks such report, that block is a felony under related obstruction of justice statutes, and constitutes a serious offense.
...

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2011, 07:04:00 AM
Well, there you go!  Who'll issue the indictment?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on November 18, 2011, 01:11:23 PM
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/explosive_email_in_fast_and_furious.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/11/explosive_email_in_fast_and_furious.html)

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Another potentially explosive, but as yet unconfirmed, Fast and Furious email surfaced on November 15. It was written two days after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's murder in Peck Canyon on the night of December 14, 2010.

Quote
Smith was concerned enough to forward Cook's email straight to Jim Needles, the ATF Phoenix supervisor in charge of agents Voth and MacAllister. Cook's warning that "Phoenix should start preparing their explanations...about their straw purchases," his knowledge of "2000 weapons" and Agent's Terry's death can only mean a lot of people knew about Fast and Furious way before Mr. and Mrs. Terry buried their son.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2011, 02:14:07 PM
Jeesh!  That "media expert" line is just fabulous isn't it?!

The Terry family can add more names to their lawsuit for wrongful death!

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 22, 2011, 12:43:00 PM

[blockquote]
Link (http://dailycaller.com/2011/11/20/issa-if-eric-holder-is-not-doomed-the-obama-administration-is/)

House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa told The Daily Caller that if Attorney General Eric Holder isn’t “doomed” because of his handling of Operation Fast and Furious, the entire Obama administration is.

“If the [Obama] administration continues to have full confidence in a failed administration by Eric Holder and Lanny Breuer, then ultimately the administration is going to be doomed,” Issa told TheDC during an interview in San Diego on Saturday. “Eric Holder seems to have the full confidence of the president, and I can’t understand why.”
 [/blockquote] Issa, Grassley & Co. talk and plod.  If the dhimmies had this information they would be on every channel with passion and outrage against these people,  They ain't gotit inum.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 22, 2011, 08:26:16 PM

Can't find it but SSI had said that last Monday
past a big Holder shoe was going to be dropped
by Time mag.  It didn't but then the editors were
ah, ...they resigned. 

During the course of that it was suggested
that money laundering could be the shoe.
[blockquote]
Money Laundering? (http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-troops-15-mn-cash-car-192018110.html)

Mexican soldiers hit the jackpot when they carried out a surprise search of a car in the unruly border town of Tijuana and found $15 million plus jewels and drugs stashed inside.[/blockquote]


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 22, 2011, 10:09:39 PM
Drug lords, cash, shady asians...next thing you know they'll be a Regime bagman nabbed!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on November 23, 2011, 07:25:31 AM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/armed-illegals-stalked-border-patrol/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/22/armed-illegals-stalked-border-patrol/)

Quote
Five illegal immigrants armed with at least two AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifles were hunting for U.S. Border Patrol agents near a desert watering hole known as Mesquite Seep just north of the Arizona-Mexico border when a firefight erupted and one U.S. agent was killed, records show.

A now-sealed federal grand jury indictment in the death of Border Patrol agent Brian A. Terry says the Mexican nationals were “patrolling” the rugged desert area of Peck Canyon at about 11:15 p.m. on Dec. 14 with the intent to “intentionally and forcibly assault” Border Patrol agents.

At least two of the Mexicans carried their assault rifles “at the ready position,” one of several details about the attack showing that Mexican smugglers are becoming more aggressive on the U.S. side of the border.

According to the indictment, the Mexicans were “patrolling the area in single-file formation” a dozen miles northwest of the border town of Nogales and — in the darkness of the Arizona night — opened fire on four Border Patrol agents after the agents identified themselves in Spanish as police officers.

Two AK-47 assault rifles found at the scene came from the failed Fast and Furious operation.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 23, 2011, 07:45:32 AM
Turnabout is fair play.

Oh, and as for the providers of the weapons hiding out in DC?  Yeah, they deserve something very very special!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 23, 2011, 12:37:33 PM
Quote

Manuel Osorio-Arellanes, 33, ...admitted during an interview that all five of the Mexicans were armed.
...
The indictment also noted that Osorio-Arellanes had been convicted in Phoenix in...
...
Mr. Moran also challenged the use of less-than-lethal s in the shooting incident, saying field agents have been “strong-armed” by the agency’s leadership to use nonlethal weapons.
...


A California, a place so insane anything they do can be disregarded as a true geek show, prosecutor is making more headway than our elected persecutors representative inquiry

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 29, 2011, 08:06:47 PM

California, a place so insane anything they do should be disregarded as a true geek show.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 29, 2011, 08:07:08 PM


http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38018 (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38018)

For Immediate Release
November 28, 2011

Facts are STUBBORN Things, Knowledge of the Connection Between Agent Terry's Death and Fast and Furious

Setting the Record Straight on the Justice Department Oversight Hearing

“Facts are STUBBORN Things”
“…and whatever our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams, December 1770

 

Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearings with Secretary Janet Napolitano, October 19, 2011, and Attorney General Eric Holder, November 8, 2011

Knowledge of Connection Between Agent Terry’s Death and Fast and Furious

•    Senator Grassley: “Have you had any communications with Mr. Burke about Operation Fast and Furious?”

Secretary Napolitano: “When Agent Terry was killed, it was December 14th, I went to Arizona a few days thereafter to meet with the FBI agents and the assistant U.S. attorneys who were actually going to look for the shooters.  At that time, nobody had done the forensics on the guns and Fast and Furious was not mentioned.  But I wanted to be sure that those responsible for his death were brought to justice, and that every DOJ resource was being brought to bear on that topic.  So I did have conversations in – it would have December of ’09 – about the murder of Agent Terry.  But at that point in time, there – nobody knew about Fast and Furious.”

•    Senator Grassley: “When we met that day [on January 31, 2011], did you know that the guns connected to an ATF operation had been found at the Terry murder scene?”

Attorney General Holder: “I did not.”

•    Senator Grassley: “Documents produced by the department suggest that your deputy chief of staff spoke with U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke about Fast and Furious, shortly after Agent Terry’s death.  Did Mr. Wilkinson say anything to you about the connection between Agent Terry’s death and the ATF operation?”

Attorney General Holder: “No, he did not.  The conversations that they had were about a variety of things.  I’ve looked at the emails.  Now the possibility of me coming out to at some point talk about being engaged in a press conference, other matters, but there was no discussion between them of the tactics that are of concern with regard to Fast and Furious and as a result of that, Mr. Wilkinson did not share information with me about his contacts with former U.S. Attorney, Burke.”

FACT
The Attorney General’s Deputy Chief of Staff Monty Wilkinson sent an email to U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke at 11:18 am on December 14, 2010, the day before Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s death.  The email had only a subject line: “You available for a call today?”  On December 15 at 2:14 am, Burke responded: “Sorry for going dark on you.  I was at Navajo and Hopi all day and coverage was weak at best.  I did get your vm.  We have a major gun trafficking case connected to Mexico we are taking down in January.  20+ defendants.  Will call today to explain in detail.”  Documents show that notice of Agent Terry’s death was emailed to Burke an hour later, at 3:31 am.

According to emails produced by the Justice Department, Nathan Gray, Special Agent in Charge of the FBI’s Phoenix Field Division, was at the press conference held that day to announce the death of Agent Terry, and was telling individuals there about the connection to Operation Fast and Furious.  Thus, by the time Secretary Napolitano visited Arizona a few days later, the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office were clearly aware of the connection.

The emails that have been produced by the Justice Department so far are insufficient to draw any conclusions about what Wilkinson and Burke may have discussed over the phone on December 15.  Whether any follow-up conversation between them included the fact that Fast and Furious guns were found at the scene will remain unknown until Burke completes his testimony, which was interrupted on an earlier date, and Wilkinson testifies for the first time.  Unfortunately, the Justice Department has to this point refused to make other witnesses with first-hand knowledge available for transcribed interviews.

It is clear, however, that multiple officials from multiple agencies knew almost immediately of the connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s death, including Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler.  The Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security have failed to adequately explain why Attorney General Holder and Secretary Napolitano allegedly remained ignorant of that connection.

Documents supporting the FACTS..


http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38035 (http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=38035)

For Immediate Release
November 29, 2011

Facts are STUBBORN Things, the Connection between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry's Death

Setting the Record Straight on the Department of Justice Oversight Hearing

“Facts are STUBBORN Things”
“…and whatever our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams, December 1770


Senate Judiciary Committee Oversight Hearing with Attorney General Eric Holder, Nov. 8, 2011

Connection Between Fast and Furious and Agent Terry’s Death

Attorney General Holder to Senator Cornyn: “It is not fair, however, to assume that the mistakes that happened in Fast and Furious led directly to the death of Agent Terry.”

FACT
According to the FBI, two weapons were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.  The bullet removed from Agent Terry matched the caliber of those two weapons, not the caliber of the weapons in possession of the Border Patrol agents, so it appears he did not die from friendly fire.  Congressional investigators have asked the FBI to explain its theory of the case, since if there was no third gun at the scene and the bullet didn’t come from the Border Patrol, there must still be an unknown third gun which law enforcement has not yet recovered.  It is possible that that third gun is not related to Fast and Furious.  However, since two guns walked in Fast and Furious were present, it is possible that a third may have been as well.  The two found at the scene were both part of a lot of three weapons purchased by known straw buyer Jaime Avila on the same day in January 2010.

Prior to the purchase of the weapons found at the Terry murder scene, Avila had already been identified by the ATF as a likely straw purchaser at least two-and-a-half months earlier.  In November 2009 Uriel Patino, the largest purchasing target in Operation Fast and Furious, brought Avila into a cooperating gun dealer to buy five weapons.  ATF received real-time notice from the gun dealer and knew the purchases were significant enough that agents rushed to the store to follow them.  However, they arrived too late.  Yet rather than going to Avila’s address to question him, ATF opted to sit back.  Avila continued to purchase through December 2009 and into January 2010.

When the weapons found at the Terry murder scene were bought by Avila on January 16, 2010, the cooperating gun dealer gave the ATF same-day notice via fax.  One business day later, the ATF entered the purchases in their Suspect Gun Database.  Nevertheless, the ATF still failed to question Avila the day of the purchase, the day the purchase was entered into the Suspect Gun Database—or at all, until Avila was arrested 11 months later in direct response to Agent Terry’s death.  The falsification of forms charge for which Avila was arrested on December 15 could have been made months earlier.

Regardless, by using the word ‘directly,’ Holder seems to be echoing the statement of Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer: “The tragic truth is that if those criminals who killed Agent Terry had not gotten the guns from this one source, they would have gotten the gun from another source.”  That is hardly an excuse for federal law enforcement to watch criminals collect more than a thousand firearms without acting to stop them.

Documents supporting the FACTS.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on November 29, 2011, 08:08:22 PM

Senator Grassley, where are the indictments?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on November 29, 2011, 08:56:36 PM

Senator Grassley, where are the indictments?


 The 64K question.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 07:11:52 AM
No bull!  I want the marshall's sent over and manacles clamped on tight and this trash perp walked to jail right damn now!!!!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 05:57:00 PM
Check this out!

Obama Admin Seals Records of Murdered Border Patrol Agent Implicated in Fast and Furious
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-admin-seals-records-murdered-border-patrol-agent-implicated-fast-and-furious_610783.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-admin-seals-records-murdered-border-patrol-agent-implicated-fast-and-furious_610783.html)

Pretty much of resounding FU from the Regime's Dept of Injustice!!!

Fothermucking clockchuggers!!!

 ::outrage::   ::angry::   ::cussing::   ::gaah:: 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on November 30, 2011, 06:07:03 PM
Weekly Standard has a link to Jihadwatch who advises "no one will know the reason for the confiscation of public court records in this case because the judge’s decision to seal it was also sealed, according to the news story."  (The "news story" being the Washington Times').

Unfugginbelievable.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 06:57:52 PM
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on November 30, 2011, 07:19:40 PM
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?

 Elected or appointed judge?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2011, 07:25:29 PM
That's the way they always do it.  Wanna bet a paycheck on the party affiliation of the judge?

 Elected or appointed judge?

I dunno, even that is sealed!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 02, 2011, 06:28:37 PM
DOJ Friday Document Dump (http://www.rollcall.com/news/justice_department_reveals_origins_of_false_gun_letter_to_grassley-210742-1.html)

Quote
The Justice Department released documents today detailing how officials prepared a Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that Attorney General Eric Holder has since admitted contained false information about Operation Fast and Furious, a botched gun operation under investigation by Congress.

The documents show that Dennis Burke, then a U.S. attorney who has since resigned, and William Hoover, then the deputy director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who has since been reassigned, principally provided the false information to officials who drafted the letter. But the documents do not shed light on whether either knew the information was false at the time.

Well.  Isn't that convenient; the two men "responsible" are no longer in place.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on December 02, 2011, 06:54:42 PM
DOJ Friday Document Dump (http://www.rollcall.com/news/justice_department_reveals_origins_of_false_gun_letter_to_grassley-210742-1.html)

Quote
The Justice Department released documents today detailing how officials prepared a Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) that Attorney General Eric Holder has since admitted contained false information about Operation Fast and Furious, a botched gun operation under investigation by Congress.

The documents show that Dennis Burke, then a U.S. attorney who has since resigned, and William Hoover, then the deputy director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives who has since been reassigned, principally provided the false information to officials who drafted the letter. But the documents do not shed light on whether either knew the information was false at the time.

Well.  Isn't that convenient; the two men "responsible" are no longer in place.

Maybe not, but they still have a pulse. Throw them so far back in the prison, they have to pump light to them. ::rockets::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 02, 2011, 07:13:56 PM

Put them all in the same cell and
feed them half rations.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2011, 10:44:24 AM
Did you all see the Friday night document dump?

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_8560/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JSsD30DU (http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_8560/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JSsD30DU)

The lies, the arrogance...every one of these people need to be in the darkest cells we have!

No doubt The Regime will pin it all on Burke, but it has already been proved that Holder & Co knew more about this when they said they didn't, so the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper! 

"Every version gets weaker. We will be apologizing" to Grassley "by tomorrow afternoon."

"By the way, what is so offensive about this whole project" of response "is that Grassley's staff, acting as willing stooges for the Gun Lobby, have attempted to distract from the incredible success in dismantling" Southwest Border "gun trafficking operations" and "not uttering one word of rightful praise and thanks to ATF - but, instead, lobbing this reckless despicable accusation that ATF is complicit in the murder of a fellow federal law enforcement officer."

On Friday night, Grassley spokeswoman Beth Levine said that "Burke personally apologized to Sen. Grassley's staff for the tone and the content of the emails" after learning from the Justice Department that the emails would be released.

Put this bastard on the rack and sweat out who's orders he was following!

Meanwhile, Issa seems to be sabotaging his own inquiry, and appears content with leaving Holder in power...

“(Mr. Holder) did not order this operation,” Mr. Issa said. “He didn’t demand they do something this stupid.” He said Mr. Holder should fix the problem and it was up to the White House to decide whether the attorney general should go.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/2/issa-says-holder-ouster-white-house/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/2/issa-says-holder-ouster-white-house/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS)

Issa blinked, I guess Holder has dirt on him, and as a result these fvcksticks are gonna get away scott free!

 ::gaah::   ::cussing::   ::angry::   ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2011, 06:52:33 PM

Can't find it but SSI had said that last Monday
past a big Holder shoe was going to be dropped
by Time mag.  It didn't but then the editors were
ah, ...they resigned. 

During the course of that it was suggested
that money laundering could be the shoe.
[blockquote]
Money Laundering? (http://news.yahoo.com/mexican-troops-15-mn-cash-car-192018110.html)

Mexican soldiers hit the jackpot when they carried out a surprise search of a car in the unruly border town of Tijuana and found $15 million plus jewels and drugs stashed inside.[/blockquote]


William La Jeunesse on FoxNews just said Issa is
expanding his investigation to include money laundering.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2011, 06:59:10 PM
Where's El Chapo?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2011, 07:06:18 PM

LOS ANGELES (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/el-chapo-guzman-wife_n_983328.html) -- The young wife of Mexico's most wanted drug lord has given birth to twin girls at a hospital in northern Los Angeles County, according to a newspaper report..

[Ms} Coronel, a former beauty queen who holds U.S. citizenship, returned to Mexico after they were born
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2011, 07:34:56 PM

@1:40 We now have this (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1310992960001/did-doj-officials-lie-about-fast--furious) expanding scandal of the DEA participating in money laundering in order to find out where the money goes... ...Clearly this is more about 'can the justice be trusted to conduct
investigations according to the law or do they believe that the end
justifies the means...
                           _ _ Darrell Issa

and the DEA is selling drugs to see where the drugs go.
Darrell, how many felonies have they committed to date?
Weren't you a prosecutor? Well, prosecute.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2011, 07:49:35 PM

LOS ANGELES (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/27/el-chapo-guzman-wife_n_983328.html) -- The young wife of Mexico's most wanted drug lord has given birth to twin girls at a hospital in northern Los Angeles County, according to a newspaper report..

[Ms} Coronel, a former beauty queen who holds U.S. citizenship, returned to Mexico after they were born

Great, more anchor babies...El Chapo will get asylum from The Regime!

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2011, 07:51:05 PM

@1:40 We now have this (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1310992960001/did-doj-officials-lie-about-fast--furious) expanding scandal of the DEA participating in money laundering in order to find out where the money goes... ...Clearly this is more about 'can the justice be trusted to conduct
investigations according to the law or do they believe that the end
justifies the means...
                           _ _ Darrell Issa

and the DEA is selling drugs to see where the drugs go.
Darrell, how many felonies have they committed to date?
Weren't you a prosecutor? Well, prosecute.



I have to be living in a nightmare, please, can I wake up?!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on December 05, 2011, 08:39:00 PM
  I can't take much more of this.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 05, 2011, 08:58:42 PM

(The Hill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/197339-issa-expands-dea-probe-to-include-money-laundering)) — Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) has requested a briefing with the Justice Department over a news report that U.S. law enforcement officials helped Mexican drug cartels launder millions of dollars into the country.

The chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee made the request in a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder, in which he questioned DOJ head’s ability to lead the agency.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 06, 2011, 06:33:35 AM
Quote
As we continue to watch the general uproar over the Operation Fast and Furious program, and specifically what Attorney General Holder knew and when he knew it, it needs to be noted that perjury is not the only apparent violation of law to have occurred.

I refer to the apparent violation of at least one (probably two) major U.S. laws by the Holder Justice Department. A few years ago, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701, the follow-on to the Trading with the Enemy Act) was expanded in order to criminalize any transactions between U.S. entities — to include departments and agencies of the U.S. government — and all foreign drug cartels.

I am familiar with these prohibitive statues because several years ago, while serving as the senior drug analyst for the Senate Intelligence Committee, I was tasked to initiate and became the principal drafter of legislation which became known as the Kingpin Act (21 U.S.C. §§ 1901-08). The Kingpin Act is an extension of the highly successful IEEPA sanctioning program specifically targeting Colombian drug cartels. It expands sanctions authority against various drug cartel operations worldwide — including Mexico — which have been determined by the president to be threats to the national security, foreign policy, or economy of the United States.

A violation of any of the IEEPA sanctioning programs or the Kingpin Act carries stiff penalties, both criminal and civil, and potentially totaling decades in prison and tens of millions of dollars in fines. It is not necessary that an individual or governmental entity be shown to have “knowingly” violated any of these programs: it is illegal for any U.S. entity or individual to aid, abet, or materially assist — or in the case of Operation Fast and Furious, to facilitate others to aid, abet, or materially assist — designated drug traffickers. There are no exceptions within IEEPA programs for unlicensed U.S. law enforcement or intelligence agency operations.

Based on the July 5, 2010, memo to Eric Holder, it would appear that Fast and Furious facilitated the delivery of weapons to — at a minimum — the Sinaloa cartel in Mexico. The U.S. Department of the Treasury, which administers both the IEEPA and Kingpin Act programs, has designated numerous members of the Sinaloa cartel under both programs. IEEPA prohibitions apply to the U.S. government as well as to individuals, and as stated there are no exceptions within IEEPA programs for unlicensed U.S. law enforcement or intelligence agency operations.

There is a provision in the Kingpin Act for “authorized” law enforcement and intelligence activities, however the only procedure by which an Operation Fast and Furious program could have been “authorized” under the Kingpin Act was by the U.S. attorney general requesting a waiver (known within the Treasury Department as a Specific License), prior to any such operation being undertaken. To illustrate and emphasize this point: even during the run-up to war in Iraq, the U.S. secretary of Defense had to obtain waivers (specific licenses) from the Treasury Department to allow U.S. Special Forces and their necessary equipment (to include weapons, intelligence gathering, and targeting gear) to go into Iraq, as Iraq at the time was under separate IEEPA sanctions.

As an aside: having spent many hours in discussions and negotiations over the exception in the Kingpin Act for authorized law enforcement and the intelligence community, I can assure the reader that the intent of this provision was not to allow for the transfer of thousands of semi-automatic weapons to cartel members. The intent of this portion of this particular Act is to allow for cash payments by U.S. law enforcement and intelligence agencies to confidential informants and intelligence sources within cartels to aid in their dismantlement, and not to facilitate the transfer of weapons used to murder hundreds of innocent civilians in Mexico and a U.S. Federal Border Agent.

As part of Congress’ ongoing investigation, as well as its constitutionally mandated oversight activities, it should be asked of Attorney General Holder if any such specific licenses were requested or granted by the Treasury Department. Additionally, Treasury Secretary Geithner should explain whether his Department has begun an investigation into these apparent violations of IEEPA and the Kingpin Act.

Interestingly, and of serious note — if Secretary Geithner finds that the laws and programs which his Department administers have been violated, Treasury procedures mandate that the matter be referred to Eric Holder’s Justice Department for enforcement!

Perhaps the appointment of a special prosecutor is necessary after all.

http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-justice-dept-violated-us-laws/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-justice-dept-violated-us-laws/?singlepage=true)

H/T Havoc
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2011, 06:54:48 AM
 ::outrage::

Screw the special prosecutor, these asshats will never go for that, and even if they did they'd select a partisan hack to whitewash the whole damned thing!

File suit, find a district attorney somewhere to file charges against these bastards and list Obama as an unindicted co-conspirator, go after these thugs!  Surely someone representing the intertests of the Terry family has standing, get after these SOB's!!!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 06, 2011, 07:04:40 AM
We've documented this issue with updates and new developments for 18 pages now, and it's mind-boggling that no one's been arrested yet.

It appears the NY Post (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/fast_furious_lies_0EAFsSpd9y1RaeAxikkGUN) is finally catching on .....

Quote
Operation Fast and Furious — the “botched” gun-tracking program run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives — did, in fact, deliberately allow some 2,000 high-powered weapons to be sold to Mexican drug cartel agents and then waltzed across the border and into the Mexican drug wars — just as Sen. Chuck Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa, who are leading the congressional investigations, have charged all along.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2011, 07:19:56 AM
The Post, meanwhile the Old Gray Hag continues to look the other way, and so shall the bulk of the MFM!

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 07, 2011, 03:54:58 PM

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/)
[blockquote]
Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
...
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons,
...
...
"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.[/blockquote]

One day they may go for ratings and start asking some
difficult questions along with published expectation of answers.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on December 07, 2011, 05:42:05 PM

Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/)
[blockquote]
Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
...
ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons,
...
...
"In light of the evidence, the Justice Department's refusal to answer questions about the role Operation Fast and Furious was supposed to play in advancing new firearms regulations is simply unacceptable," Rep. Issa told CBS News.[/blockquote]

One day they may go for ratings and start asking some
difficult questions along with published expectation of answers.




Hell, they were not discussing it, they were doing it. What kind of sick mindset must this administration have to push policy which endanger American life for an agenda not supported by the will of the people.



This reminds me of a scene from the sci fi flick "Alien"....... A planned contamination of the crew to reach a hideous goal. But this isn't science fiction, this is real life. If I'm Issa, i'm reacting like one of the soldiers when they found out they were guinea pigs. Issa should tell Holder, dude, you'r fvcked, you're dead.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2011, 07:05:41 AM
Issa should tell Holder, dude, you'r fvcked, you're dead.

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 08, 2011, 06:31:50 PM

Holder Says Definition Of "Lying" To Congress Depends On "State Of Mind" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmbqeTUbueM#)

@1:45
No one in this department has lied.
Nobody has lied.

Why was the letter withdrawn?

The letter was withdrawn because information in there thta was ah,
innacurate.  The  Justice Dept letter of Feb.....

OK, well tell, tell me what's the difference between  lying and misleading Congress?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2011, 07:32:29 PM
As to the state of mind, Holder is correct in the general sense, in that laws broken without intent to purposefully and willfully do so used to be a consideration in assigning guilt; however, that is not the way the application of the law works today as regards the general public -- regardless of intent, if the law is not adhered to, no matter how obscure or stupid, you've criminalized yourself, and the DOJ and the ATF are notorious for applying this standard.

Notwithstanding, he's a lying sack of sh!t.  He knew what they were all doing and it goes right into the Oval Office.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on December 08, 2011, 08:53:40 PM
As to the state of mind, Holder is correct in the general sense, in that laws broken without intent to purposefully and willfully do so used to be a consideration in assigning guilt; however, that is not the way the application of the law works today as regards the general public -- regardless of intent, if the law is not adhered to, no matter how obscure or stupid, you've criminalized yourself, and the DOJ and the ATF are notorious for applying this standard.

Notwithstanding, he's a lying sack of sh!t.  He knew what they were all doing and it goes right into the Oval Office.


  Ignorance of the law is not a defence? Ant it depends what the meaning of is,is?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2011, 09:24:45 PM
As to the state of mind, Holder is correct in the general sense, in that laws broken without intent to purposefully and willfully do so used to be a consideration in assigning guilt; however, that is not the way the application of the law works today as regards the general public -- regardless of intent, if the law is not adhered to, no matter how obscure or stupid, you've criminalized yourself, and the DOJ and the ATF are notorious for applying this standard.

Notwithstanding, he's a lying sack of sh!t.  He knew what they were all doing and it goes right into the Oval Office.


  Ignorance of the law is not a defence? Ant it depends what the meaning of is,is?

They, you know, "they"?, can tell you that until they're blue in the face; the fact remains that, currently, no one can possibly not be ignorant of the law, all the laws, and that's the way the law-makers and upholders like it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 08, 2011, 10:29:30 PM

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)
Fireworks! Issa grills Holder over withholding documents about Fast and Furious
Posted by The Right Scoop The Right Scoop on Dec 8, 2011 in Politics | 45 Comments

Issa admits at the end of this clip that he intentionally treated Holder like a hostile witness because of his lack of cooperation with congressional attempts to get information from the DOJ about Fast and Furious. In fact Sheila Jackson-Lee comes to Holder’s defense, twice, as Issa won’t allow Holder to filibuster his questions.

Watch the entire clip for all the fireworks:

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2011, 07:17:38 AM
And remember, Holder is the HIGHEST RANKING LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER in our nation!!!

 ::guillotine::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2011, 07:19:09 AM

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)
Fireworks! Issa grills Holder over withholding documents about Fast and Furious
Posted by The Right Scoop The Right Scoop on Dec 8, 2011 in Politics | 45 Comments

Issa admits at the end of this clip that he intentionally treated Holder like a hostile witness because of his lack of cooperation with congressional attempts to get information from the DOJ about Fast and Furious. In fact Sheila Jackson-Lee comes to Holder’s defense, twice, as Issa won’t allow Holder to filibuster his questions.

Watch the entire clip for all the fireworks:

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)



OMG, comment by M_J_S - "Issa needs to Ike Turner slap Shelia Jackson Lee"

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on December 09, 2011, 10:33:41 AM
]

OMG, comment by M_J_S - "Issa needs to Ike Turner slap Shelia Jackson Lee"

 ::laughonfloor::

Word. ::cool::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on December 09, 2011, 02:13:22 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/09/congressman-claims-tea-party-nra-manufactured-fast-and-furious/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/12/09/congressman-claims-tea-party-nra-manufactured-fast-and-furious/)

Quote
Attorney General Eric Holder has accused The Daily Caller of creating the story of calls for his resignation. Never mind that more than 50 Republicans are on board for his ouster. Maybe not all of them would have made the official call for his resignation had a DC reporter not called to ask their opinions — but the reporter didn’t supply the opinions for ‘em. The gist of Holder’s accusation: Stop asking questions, reporters!

No doubt Democrats like Georgia Rep. Hank Johnson agree. Reporter Michelle Fields didn’t make him say what he said, but, if she hadn’t asked a question, he never would have said this quote, which was especially revealing about what he knows of the Fast and Furious scandal:
Quote
    “I think this is another manufactured controversy by the second amendment, NRA Republican tea party movement,” Johnson said.
Quote
Hmm. How exactly did the Tea Party Movement or the NRA instigate an ATF program to sell firearms to straw purchasers and then rapidly lose track of the weapons?

Honestly, the quote makes so little sense, I don’t know how to respond to it. But, then again, it comes from a fellow who somehow managed to mention “white supremacists” in yesterday’s Judiciary hearing — and who once said overpopulation might cause the entire island of Guam to “tip over and capsize.” What did I expect?

I was wondering where that guy went. Haven't heard from him in a few months...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 09, 2011, 07:41:59 PM

http://shark-tank.net/2011/12/08/22969/ (http://shark-tank.net/2011/12/08/22969/)

By Javier Manjarres
U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder went before the House Judiciary Committee today to answer questions regarding the botched ‘Fast and Furious’ program that allowed illegal firearms to wind up in the hands of Mexican drug cartels.  Florida Congresswoman Sandy Adams had several minutes to question Holder, and the blood was on the floor before the time limit saved Holder from further embarrassment.  Must watch video!
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WORM is too noble a word for this humanoid.

Adams Grills Holder Over Fast and Furious Operation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozsWUV87Umg#)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2011, 09:04:50 PM
What a filthy rotten pile of pig scat!!!

I can't stand seeing or hearing this corrupt criminal bastard anymore!!!

He needs to be removed by any means necessary, PERIOD!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on December 09, 2011, 10:20:37 PM
Thanks Charles. I didn't have a chance to see any of the circus previous to this vid and the one with Issa.

eric holder. Doesn't he just fill you with confidence that the United States is in good and capable hands?

Me neither.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 09, 2011, 10:42:59 PM

If we're going to have an archive we need to put stuff in it.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2011, 09:07:29 AM

If we're going to have an archive we need to put stuff in it.



Why store shredded paper?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2011, 04:57:13 PM
Thanks Charles. I didn't have a chance to see any of the circus previous to this vid and the one with Issa.

eric holder. Doesn't he just fill you with confidence that the United States is in good and capable hands?

Me neither.

Can't stand him!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Obama%20Admin/FnF.jpg)

If I were on that committee I'd get up, walk around and go right up to this punk and slap him in the face and challenge him to a duel!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Smackdown/punch.gif)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2011, 08:14:06 PM
This is a good article, and the closer nails it!

Fast and Furious is even worse than Watergate for one simple reason: No one died because of President Nixon’s political dirty tricks and abuse of government power. But Brian Terry is dead; and there are still 1,500 missing guns threatening still more lives.

What did Mr. Obama know? Massive gun-smuggling by the U.S. government into a foreign country does not happen without the explicit knowledge and approval of leading administration officials. It’s too big, too risky and too costly. Mr. Holder may not be protecting just himself and his cronies. Is he protecting the president?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/15/obamas-watergate-758295296/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/15/obamas-watergate-758295296/)

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 15, 2011, 10:24:42 PM

Quote
...
He [Holder] needs to keep his friends close and potential witnesses even closer.
...
Mr. Holder and his aides have given misleading, false and contradictory testimony on Capitol Hill. Perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power - these are high crimes and misdemeanors. Mr. Holder should be impeached.
...
...and so should the president.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 17, 2011, 08:44:46 PM

Questions mount over Houston gun trafficking investigation (http://www.click2houston.com/news/Questions-mount-over-Houston-gun-trafficking-investigation/-/1735978/5722510/-/ipo611z/-/index.html)

The owners of Carter's Country accused agents with the ATF's Houston Division of asking the firearms dealer to allow questionable buyers to make purchases so the people could be tracked under the auspices of an ATF initiative called "Gunrunner." This operation resulted in the arrest of more than 20 people funneling guns to the drug cartels.

"Did the ATF ask you to allow questionable gun sales to go through?" Local 2 Investigator Robert Arnold asked.

"Yes, they did.
...

Local 2 Investigates also spoke with another firearms dealer. Bill James is the owner of The Arms Room, a League City gun dealer and shooting range.

"Did the ATF ask you to allow questionable gun sales to go through?" Local 2 Investigator Robert Arnold asked.

"Yes, they did. ...
...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on December 17, 2011, 08:57:46 PM

Quote
...
He [Holder] needs to keep his friends close and potential witnesses even closer.
...
Mr. Holder and his aides have given misleading, false and contradictory testimony on Capitol Hill. Perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power - these are high crimes and misdemeanors. Mr. Holder should be impeached.
...
...and so should the president.


  The answers to Holder are in the justice dept and what is needed is a career justice dept critter to come out and bury his ass.That would put the final nail in his coffin.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Damn_Lucky on December 18, 2011, 10:19:08 AM

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)
Fireworks! Issa grills Holder over withholding documents about Fast and Furious
Posted by The Right Scoop The Right Scoop on Dec 8, 2011 in Politics | 45 Comments

Issa admits at the end of this clip that he intentionally treated Holder like a hostile witness because of his lack of cooperation with congressional attempts to get information from the DOJ about Fast and Furious. In fact Sheila Jackson-Lee comes to Holder’s defense, twice, as Issa won’t allow Holder to filibuster his questions.

Watch the entire clip for all the fireworks:

Watch the weasel on a skillet (http://www.therightscoop.com/fireworks-issa-grills-holder-over-witholding-documents-fast-and-furious/)



OMG, comment by M_J_S - "Issa needs to Ike Turner slap Shelia Jackson Lee"

 ::laughonfloor::

WOW............Thanks for the link I had missed this one..........Just WOW

Why the H&ll isn't Holder under the jail by now. ::whatgives::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2011, 11:00:46 AM
I dunno DL, I just don't know...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 20, 2011, 10:23:30 PM

What rhymes with "pot" and "kettle"? How about "Fast and Furious"? (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/doj-indicts-gundealer-fastfurious-style-sales/268216)

The Department of Justice (DOJ) has filed a complaint requesting "forfeiture of property" belonging to a New Mexico gun dealer charged with knowingly selling weapons to straw purchasers operating on behalf of Mexican drug cartels.
[blockquote]
Quote
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

Listen (http://www.biblegateway.com/audio/mclean/kjv/Isa.5.14)
[/blockquote]

Link (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/doj-indicts-gundealer-fastfurious-style-sales/268216)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2011, 07:09:33 AM
Blind squirrel finds nut...but tells squirrels in congress not to bother looking into all those other nuts or the executive squirrels higher up the tree that got one lower on the tree whacked as a result of their out-of-control nut-walking scheme!

Simply UFB...

They'll never be brought to justice, unless justice comes via high-velocity impact to their rotten mellons!

 ::)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 23, 2011, 10:20:08 PM

Krauthammer blasts Holder as one of the most incompetent AGs in US history (http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-blasts-holder-as-one-of-the-most-incompetent-ags-in-us-history/)

In a blistering opinion, Krauthammer blasted Holder as one of the most incompetent Attorneys General in US History and said that his use of the race card in defense of himself over Fast and Furious was, to use Holder’s own words, “a cowardly use of the race card”:

55 second blistering video at link (http://www.therightscoop.com/krauthammer-blasts-holder-as-one-of-the-most-incompetent-ags-in-us-history/)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on December 24, 2011, 08:14:24 AM
  What's he sayin then"I'M NOT STUPID I'M BLACK"?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 24, 2011, 09:39:48 AM
Umm, no, seems to me Holder is saying "I'm not a lying dirtbag crook, I'm black"...as if being black exempts one from being a lying dirtbag crook

No Mr. Holder you are merely a black lying dirtbag crook and you need to resign or be removed, period.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 24, 2011, 01:29:20 PM

Whoopsi, Arizona says it was racisism!!! (http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/23/congressman-trumps-holders-race-card-asks-if-mexican-gun-walking-deaths-were-racially-motivated/)
Talk about giving Mr. Holder his hot potatoe back, hotter than before.

[blockquote]
Arizona Republican Rep. Paul Gosar told The Daily Caller that Attorney General Eric Holder’s race-card play to attack his critics is “absolutely horrendous.”  ...

[and a bit more of a taste]
...
“When the attorney general brings up the race card, he’d better be very, very careful — particularly for the Hispanics and what’s happened to them,” Gosar adds. “He’s been very insensitive, not only to the [U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian] Terry family in making an apology and making it very public, but where’s the apology to the Mexican government and the families of the victims in Mexico?”
...
...
"So, were they racially profiling or not by allowing this to happen to the Mexican people?,” Gosar asks.[/blockquote]


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 24, 2011, 02:00:59 PM
If Krauthammer truly believes Holder is "incompetent" then Krauthammer doesn't get it.

Too many like Krauthammer think we're still playing by the same old rules.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 24, 2011, 02:24:29 PM
If Krauthammer truly believes Holder is "incompetent" then Krauthammer doesn't get it.

Too many like Krauthammer think we're still playing by the same old rules.

I suspect he gets it, but he's one of the ones that absolutely refuses to state the truth in a public forum.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 24, 2011, 02:35:57 PM
Maybe so Pan, but if he's unwilling to speak what he believes to be the truth, then he might as well not get it. And really, if he DOES get it, and refuses to say what he believes, then maybe he doesn't get it after all.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on December 24, 2011, 02:41:22 PM
Maybe so Pan, but if he's unwilling to speak what he believes to be the truth, then he might as well not get it. And really, if he DOES get it, and refuses to say what he believes, then maybe he doesn't get it after all.

You're right, of course, but Krauthammer has a certain investment to protect and going the Limbaugh route, ala "I hope he fails", would put that in jeopardy in a way that calling Duh Wun incompetent wouldn't.  Or so he might believe.

Which makes you double right.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 24, 2011, 07:18:04 PM

Pressure can be applied from different directions in different forms.
How often does Krauthammer use the word incompetent and how many
people has he called incompetent from a national forum?  I would hazard
a guess and say none.  Those words in Krauthammer's world will weigh
heavy on Holder.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on December 24, 2011, 07:42:10 PM

Pressure can be applied from different directions in different forms.
How often does Krauthammer use the word incompetent and how many
people has he called incompetent from a national forum?  I would hazard
a guess and say none.  Those words in Krauthammer's world will weigh
heavy on Holder.


 And well they should.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 28, 2011, 08:11:27 PM

I just don't think it was coincidental that Operation Fast and Furious was centered in Arizona as opposed New Mexico or west Texas where the U.S. Attorneys have long careers as prosecutors. -- John Richardson. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011/12/sipsey-street-exclusive-personnel-is.html)                          11891

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 06, 2012, 01:58:40 AM
WANTED BY THE FBI: The Bush Mind Controller who makes the Obamanoids do all those stupid Mexican gun tricks.

Link (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/71127.html)
[blockquote] The Justice Department released documents Thursday on the Bush-era Wide Receiver gun-walking operation..[wait for it 1,2,3, --]
the targets of the investigation had purchased 181 firearms.
[/blockquote]

Yes folks the dreaded Bushmeister who now infiltrates Obama every thought closed down the  operation after 181 walks.  However, he has returned in Obama's brain and has caused hundreds of murders of innocent Mexicans and the murder of at least one and probably more American citizens.  Will Obama ever exorcise this demon?

Becca Watkins, a spokewoman for Issa’s office said:
[blockquote]“It is deeply discouraging that top Justice officials knew such details about problems in Operation Wide Receiver yet were still so quick to dismiss warnings from whistleblowers about reckless and dangerous tactics happening on a much larger scale in Operation Fast and Furious.”
[/blockquote]

HT: Sipsy                                                                                                 12060
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2012, 06:48:04 AM
So, what?  The Regime is pissed because they took a bad idea from the eeeevil Bush and magnified it times 1000 and got an agent killed and somehow this is all Bush's fault?  This Regime needs to end, NOW!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 06, 2012, 06:05:52 PM

Report: Government Vastly Overstating Immigration Enforcement (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/287190/report-government-vastly-overstating-immigration-enforcement-andrew-c-mccarthy)
This is remarkable. A just-released Syracuse University study indicates that the government is overstating its enforcement of the immigration laws by a staggering amount.

According to TRAC, Syracuse’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency (ICE) has overstated the number of immigration law violators apprehended by a 5:1 ratio. And that’s the good news. Deportations were overstated by 24:1 and detentions by 34:1.
...
Read it all (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/287190/report-government-vastly-overstating-immigration-enforcement-andrew-c-mccarthy)



HT: WZ (http://weaselzippers.us/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on January 06, 2012, 09:10:55 PM
There is NOTHING this administration doesn't misrepresent or lie about outright.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 07, 2012, 11:00:20 AM
Tyrants will, and apparently are, able to do anything.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2012, 11:49:56 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/20/federal-official-in-arizona-to-plead-fifth-and-not-answer-questions-on-furious/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/01/20/federal-official-in-arizona-to-plead-fifth-and-not-answer-questions-on-furious/)

This is bullsh*t!!!

Waterboard his butt!!!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on January 20, 2012, 11:58:44 AM
Quote
Cunningham is represented by Tobin Romero of Williams and Connolly who is a specialist in white collar crime. In the letter, he suggests witnesses from the Department of Justice in Washington, who have spoken in support of Attorney General Eric Holder, are wrong or lying.

“Department of Justice officials have reported to the Committee that my client relayed inaccurate information to the Department upon which it relied in preparing its initial response to Congress. If, as you claim, Department officials have blamed my client, they have blamed him unfairly,” the letter to Issa says.

Romero claims Cunningham did nothing wrong and acted in good faith, but the Department of Justice in Washington is making him the fall guy, claiming he failed to accurately provide the Oversight Committee with information on the execution of Fast and Furious.

"To avoid needless preparation by the Committee and its staff for a deposition next week, I am writing to advise you that my client is going to assert his constitutional privilege not to be compelled to be a witness against himself." Romero told Issa.

This schism is the first big break in what has been a unified front in the government’s defense of itself in the gun-running scandal. Cunningham claims he is a victim of a conflict between two branches of government and will not be compelled to be a witnesses against himself, and make a statement that could be later used by a grand jury or special prosecutor to indict him on criminal charges.

Next move is to grant him immunity in return for testifying; probably exactly what he's vying for now.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2012, 12:13:03 PM
Yeah, you are so optimistic (jus' kiddin'!), I have less faith in these bureaucrats to recognize the right thing to do, let alone be expected to do it!

And even if we get one guy to crack, what evidence remains unshredded to make this anything other than an exercise in finger-pointing?!

If anybody gets immunity they better have documents, flash drives, audio/video clips, bullets, stained dress...whatever!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on January 20, 2012, 12:15:59 PM
I hear ya.

The author does have a point about the first schism, though, don't you think?

Somebody is going to crack and spill as long as Issa and Grassley keep on the pressure.  I only hope, as you do, that whoever does will have a smoking gun.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 20, 2012, 12:22:31 PM

But, is the fix in? Issa staff reported to have witheld information from Grassley. "The roach motel of press inquiries." (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/01/finally-fifth-amendment-time-in.html)

Ever since they used the Arizona Republic as a sourch, Erick banned me for that, I take them with a grain of salt. However, they are in there going for it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2012, 12:29:38 PM
I hear ya.

The author does have a point about the first schism, though, don't you think?

Somebody is going to crack and spill as long as Issa and Grassley keep on the pressure.  I only hope, as you do, that whoever does will have a smoking gun.

I agree on all points.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2012, 12:30:30 PM

But, is the fix in? Issa staff reported to have witheld information from Grassley. "The roach motel of press inquiries." (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/01/finally-fifth-amendment-time-in.html)

Ever since they used the Arizona Republic as a sourch, Erick banned me for that, I take them with a grain of salt. However, they are in there going for it.


Roach Motel!   ::laughonfloor::  Love it!

If it works, fine with me!  I want results!  (Regime butts in prison!)

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on January 20, 2012, 08:28:21 PM

But, is the fix in? Issa staff reported to have witheld information from Grassley. "The roach motel of press inquiries." (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/01/finally-fifth-amendment-time-in.html)

Ever since they used the Arizona Republic as a sourch, Erick banned me for that, I take them with a grain of salt. However, they are in there going for it.


Roach Motel!   ::laughonfloor::  Love it!

If it works, fine with me!  I want results!  (Regime butts in prison!)

 ::thumbsup::

 All the way to the WH.
Title: Arizona Legislature to open investigation of Feds re; Fast & Furious
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 21, 2012, 12:09:41 PM
Arizona strikes back: State investigates feds over gun-running (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/jan/21/arizona-strikes-back-state-investigates-feds-over-/)

Arizona's state legislature will open its own investigation into the Obama administration's disgraced gun-running program, known as "Fast and Furious," the speaker of the state House said Friday.

Speaker Andy Tobin created the committee, and charged it with looking at whether the program broke any state laws — raising the possibility of state penalties against those responsible for the operation.

It's a turnaround from the rest of the immigration issue, where the federal government has sued to block the state's own set of laws...

<snip>

... Mr. Tobin will announce the committee's jurisdiction at a press conference in Phoenix on Monday. The committee is charged with looking into the facts about the program, what impact it had on Arizona and whether any of the state's laws were broken.

A report is due back by March 30....
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 21, 2012, 01:33:21 PM

WANTED
by
The Republic of Arizona

 
(http://josiahe.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/holder.jpg)
Erick Holder
for

HIGH CRIMES AND MISDORMEANORS
against the
State of Arizona
and its citizens

$10,000,000 upon presentation to the State

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2012, 11:54:38 AM
Dead or Alive?!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on January 22, 2012, 08:31:37 PM
Dead or Alive?!

 ::whoohoo::

They REALLY should add the WH to the list.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2012, 07:27:17 AM
Dead or Alive?!

 ::whoohoo::

They REALLY should add the WH to the list.

Yeah, this is the most lawless Regime since Andrew Jackson, that's for sure.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 27, 2012, 12:45:45 PM

[blockquote]Autopsy of Injustice. Let the dead teach the living in the Gunwalker Scandal. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/01/autopsy-of-injustice-let-dead-teach.html)


        "So that is where we are, as far as I know. The committee may have a rabbit in their hat. In fact, if they've been doing what they claim to have been doing they should have a whole warren of embarrassing rabbits for Eric Holder, Janet Napolitano and the sitting president of the United States. If. . . Maybe. . . Or, the fix is in, which means they have decided to try to save their rotten system and not the country."
...

No one -- NO ONE -- was ever punished or even inconvenienced by what they did to these children at Waco. Eric Holder was instrumental in covering up the circumstances of the Waco inferno, including the prosecution of U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston, the only federal employee who seemed remotely interested in getting to the bottom of what actually happened. In this, Holder had bi-partisan help from the GOP. (See This Is Not An Assault: Penetrating the Web of Official Lies Regarding the Waco Incident by David T. Hardy & Rex Kimball.) [/blockquote]

Not sure exactly what he's trying to communicate with this but there is interesting information and images on Waco contained within.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2012, 01:17:30 PM
Yikes, nice pics.   ::speechless::

I'd like to think this is once instance where stuff won't be swept under the rug and flushed down the memory hole, bur the track record really isn't that stellar to say the least.  Not sure I am ready to be a card-carrying member of the "They're all out to get us" Club, but, can't just issue a flat seeyalater either.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on January 29, 2012, 06:22:06 AM
In this past Friday's DOJ document dump:

Quote
Central to this document dump is a series of emails showing Holder was informed of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder on the day it happened – December 15, 2010 – and that he was informed the weapons used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious on the same day.

An email from one official, whose name has been redacted from the document, to now-former Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke reads: “On December 14, 2010, a BORTAC agent working in the Nogales, AZ AOR was shot. The agent was conducting Border Patrol operations 18 miles north of the international boundary when he encountered [redacted word] unidentified subjects. Shots were exchanged resulting in the agent being shot. At this time, the agent is being transported to an area where he can be air lifted to an emergency medical center.”

That email was sent at 2:31 a.m. on the day Terry was shot. One hour later, a follow-up email read: “Our agent has passed away.”

Burke forwarded those two emails to Holder’s then-deputy chief of staff Monty Wilkinson later that morning, adding that the incident was “not good” because it happened “18 miles w/in” the border.

Wilkinson responded to Burke shortly thereafter and said the incident was “tragic.” “I’ve alerted the AG [Holder], the Acting DAG, Lisa, etc.”

Then, later that day, Burke followed up with Wilkinson after Burke discovered from officials whose names are redacted that the guns used to kill Terry were from Fast and Furious. “The guns found in the desert near the murder BP officer connect back to the investigation we were going to talk about – they were AK-47s purchased at a Phoenix gun store,” Burke wrote to Wilkinson.

“I’ll call tomorrow,” Wilkinson responded.

This is hardly the first time new evidence has come out that directly contradicts Holder’s congressional testimony. These new emails are written evidence that Holder was aware of Fast and Furious about five months before he testified in Congress that he had only learned of the gunwalking program a “few weeks” before a May 3, 2011, House Judiciary Committee appearance.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/28/latest-friday-night-document-dump-shows-holder-was-informed-of-fast-and-furious-connection-to-brian-terry%e2%80%99s-murder-on-day-border-agent-died/#ixzz1kqiFErCE (http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/28/latest-friday-night-document-dump-shows-holder-was-informed-of-fast-and-furious-connection-to-brian-terry%e2%80%99s-murder-on-day-border-agent-died/#ixzz1kqiFErCE)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on January 29, 2012, 06:46:12 AM
I'm starting to lose confidence. Still no marshals visiting these bastards. ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2012, 10:17:06 AM
Just what I feared, man, this drive me into a freaking rage!

What...does...is...fricken..take?!?!?!

 ::whatgives::

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on January 29, 2012, 10:20:43 AM
Just what I feared, man, this drive me into a freaking rage!

What...does...is...fricken..take?!?!?!

 ::whatgives::

 ::gaah::

I really don't know either.  Grassley gets a bribe offer and he reports it to the ethics committee instead of instituting legal action against the bribers?  What's it going to take for them to move already?!

*sigh*
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 29, 2012, 10:37:00 AM
If Holder is not indicted now at least for outright lying to a congressional investigative committee, if not for covering up complicity in the death of a federal agent, then these investigations were never anything more than a show.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 29, 2012, 10:50:44 AM

I'm beginning to think he likes to talk enough to get re-elected.
I remember listening to him on the Tony Snow radio program investigating
another injustice and it just went down the memory hole.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2012, 10:59:05 AM
It appears the congressional investigations are what I feared they were, merely electioneering tools used to sully NOT CALL TO ACCOUNT the transgressors.

Same strategy the Establishment is using in the POTUS race, push Romney because he is least likely to upset those oh so delicate congressional races this year.

Why?!  So these POS's can capture the Senate too and then have more hearings that DON'T DO JACK sh*t?!

Our system is broken and probably fatally.

Oh well, just shut up and behave like a good little GOP toad and do as you're told by your betters!!!

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on January 29, 2012, 11:59:33 AM
Repeat as necessary.

(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQtJi0AWHU_bNaUKUUMtKuGv2idVT_zQadptGFpbj3FrQlXJAoP7qTLz40T)

(http://faithandheritage.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/intro-america-belong-300x201.jpg)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2012, 03:07:34 PM
Shoulda, woulda, coulda...Alan.

We've degenerated a lot the past couple hundred years...

Oh well, it was a good run, eh?

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2012, 10:11:51 AM
Contempt, yeah, whatever...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72246.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72246.html)

The hacks for the Regime are winning Darrell, you are losing!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 01, 2012, 03:04:16 PM
Quote
Holder has until Thursday, Feb. 9. to comply, according to Issa.

Issa accused the Justice Department of trying to “obstruct our investigation and deceive the public” by withholding documents.

“Your actions lead us to conclude that the department is actively engaged in a cover-up,” he said in a four-page letter.

This isn't even a strongly worded letter.  Weak as water.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2012, 05:03:17 PM
Holder, in an unoriginal stance, chooses to do the DC two-step and feign ignorance and attack his questioners.  Nixon, Haldeman & Erlichman would be so proud!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/)

"The conclusion that I come to is there are some things in there that's being hidden that you don't want us to see," said Rep. Dan Burton, R-Ind. "We have every right under the Constitution to check on what you're doing... So for you to deny this committee anything like that is just dead wrong and I don't think you're going to find any way that you can do it."

Burton went on to say that 93,000 documents related to the operation are being withheld by the Justice Department even though they've been turned over internally to the department's inspector general, a political appointee, Burton said.

"And you're saying, well, the separation of powers prohibits you from (delivering them to Congress). That's baloney. That is just baloney," Burton said.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/#ixzz1lGhwRypr (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/02/holder-says-no-one-punished-yet-during-testimony-on-controversial-fast-and/#ixzz1lGhwRypr)

A stern lecturing to, yeah, he'll cave in and stop shredding doc's!

/

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 04, 2012, 11:22:59 AM

It's frustrating that no one in the House appears ready to drop the hammer ::hammer::
There is hope that they may be pacing this thing or allowing the pace to
be this slow in order to start ringing the bell in the early fall.  Arrests and
subpoena's around October 31.

video at link

"I'm not sure you understand how the Justice Dept works, I didn't express the fact that I was mad or that I thought it was silly, I issued a directive..." (http://nation.foxnews.com/eric-holder/2012/02/03/brian-terrys-mother-holder-youre-joke-and-coward)

Brian Terry’s mother to Holder: You’re ‘a joke’ and a ‘coward’
 
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller
 
The mother of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry had harsh words for Attorney General Eric Holder after Thursday’s House oversight committee hearing on Operation Fast and Furious.
 
“THIS IS FOR YOU SON,” Mrs. Terry posted on Facebook at about 3:30 p.m. “Mr. Holder. How come you can never say my sons name. You never have. All i ever hear you say is ‘i didnt find out or I cant say’ Im actually tired of hearing your double talk in answering questions. What a joke you are. You know my son was a real AMERICAN, a WARRIOR, and a HERO, who was also protecting COWARD POLITICANS like you.”
 
“Hope you remember that,” Mrs. Terry added in her message to Holder before signing it: “PROUD MOM OF BRIAN A. TERRY.”

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on February 04, 2012, 01:15:57 PM
Brian Terry’s mother to Holder: You’re ‘a joke’ and a ‘coward’
 
By Matthew Boyle - The Daily Caller
 
The mother of murdered Border Patrol agent Brian Terry had harsh words for Attorney General Eric Holder after Thursday’s House oversight committee hearing on Operation Fast and Furious.
 
“THIS IS FOR YOU SON,” Mrs. Terry posted on Facebook at about 3:30 p.m. “Mr. Holder. How come you can never say my sons name. You never have. All i ever hear you say is ‘i didnt find out or I cant say’ Im actually tired of hearing your double talk in answering questions. What a joke you are. You know my son was a real AMERICAN, a WARRIOR, and a HERO, who was also protecting COWARD POLITICANS like you.”
 
“Hope you remember that,” Mrs. Terry added in her message to Holder before signing it: “PROUD MOM OF BRIAN A. TERRY.”

God bless you, Mrs. Terry. ::USA::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2012, 11:40:14 AM
Honor, like liberty, is dying in this land Mrs. Terry, and I appologize on the behalf of all freedom loving Americans that your son had to be killed as a result of these dishonorable people.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on February 05, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
Honor, like liberty, is dying in this land Mrs. Terry, and I appologize on the behalf of all freedom loving Americans that your son had to be killed as a result of these dishonorable people.

 The sad thing is that those words are true!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 05, 2012, 02:03:21 PM

Daily Caller: Boehner spokesman says “Such speculation is absurd and untrue.”
 (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/02/daily-caller-boehner-spokesman-says.html)
Quote
“Several sources tell Sipsey Street that the committee’s work has been slowed by the intervention of Speaker of the House John Boehner, with some saying plainly that ‘the fix is in.’” (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/boehner-mum-on-holder-as-fast-and-furious-investigation-gathers-momentum/)


                                                                                                                                                         13248
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2012, 02:13:54 PM
When someone says "absurd and untrue" nowdays, it doesn't necessarily mean the allegation is without merit.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 05, 2012, 02:24:00 PM

Daily Caller: Boehner spokesman says “Such speculation is absurd and untrue.”
 (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/02/daily-caller-boehner-spokesman-says.html)
Quote
“Several sources tell Sipsey Street that the committee’s work has been slowed by the intervention of Speaker of the House John Boehner, with some saying plainly that ‘the fix is in.’” (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/boehner-mum-on-holder-as-fast-and-furious-investigation-gathers-momentum/)


                                                                                                                                                         13248

The very first mistake the newly elected 2010 Republican majority in the House made was entrusting the Speakership to John Boehner. Mistake number one of a cascade of mistakes.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on February 05, 2012, 03:33:43 PM

Daily Caller: Boehner spokesman says “Such speculation is absurd and untrue.”
 (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/02/daily-caller-boehner-spokesman-says.html)
Quote
“Several sources tell Sipsey Street that the committee’s work has been slowed by the intervention of Speaker of the House John Boehner, with some saying plainly that ‘the fix is in.’” (http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/04/boehner-mum-on-holder-as-fast-and-furious-investigation-gathers-momentum/)


                                                                                                                                                         13248

The very first mistake the newly elected 2010 Republican majority in the House made was entrusting the Speakership to John Boehner. Mistake number one of a cascade of mistakes.

 We may need to buy a Rail and ship it to D.C just in case.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 05, 2012, 03:33:54 PM
Quote
Steel would not answer, however, when TheDC asked him if Boehner supports House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa’s threat to hold Holder in contempt of Congress if he fails to produce subpoenaed documents by Issa’s Feb. 9 deadline.

Steel also wouldn’t answer when TheDC asked him if the speaker supports Issa’s call for Holder to apologize to the Mexican government, and to the families of the more than 300 victims of Operation Fast and Furious in Mexico.

I don't give a rat's whether Holder apologizes to Mexicans -- plenty of time to do that from jail.

I do care that Boehner's man has obfuscated, leading me to believe Boehner needs the comeuppance reserved for betrayal.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on February 05, 2012, 03:40:23 PM
Quote
Steel would not answer, however, when TheDC asked him if Boehner supports House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa’s threat to hold Holder in contempt of Congress if he fails to produce subpoenaed documents by Issa’s Feb. 9 deadline.

Steel also wouldn’t answer when TheDC asked him if the speaker supports Issa’s call for Holder to apologize to the Mexican government, and to the families of the more than 300 victims of Operation Fast and Furious in Mexico.

I don't give a rat's whether Holder apologizes to Mexicans -- plenty of time to do that from jail.

I do care that Boehner's man has obfuscated, leading me to believe Boehner needs the comeuppance reserved for betrayal.




 Something to really cry about.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on February 05, 2012, 03:47:18 PM
Perhaps he was crying because he was overwhelmed at the betrayal he was about to undertake.

Grima Wormtounge (in the film version) shed a tear when he beheld Saruman's army for the first time, and understood the scope of his betrayal.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 05, 2012, 03:57:36 PM
Quote
Steel would not answer, however, when TheDC asked him if Boehner supports House oversight committee chairman Rep. Darrell Issa’s threat to hold Holder in contempt of Congress if he fails to produce subpoenaed documents by Issa’s Feb. 9 deadline.

Steel also wouldn’t answer when TheDC asked him if the speaker supports Issa’s call for Holder to apologize to the Mexican government, and to the families of the more than 300 victims of Operation Fast and Furious in Mexico.

I don't give a rat's whether Holder apologizes to Mexicans -- plenty of time to do that from jail.

I do care that Boehner's man has obfuscated, leading me to believe Boehner needs the comeuppance reserved for betrayal.




 Something to really cry about.

And how.  I'd like to give him cause for hysteria.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 07, 2012, 03:25:29 PM
Another source (http://www.coachisright.com/john-boehner-to-halt-fast-and-furious-investigation-sell-out-to-eric-holder-and-white-house/) on Boehner's possible interference:

Quote
Congressman John Boehner, the House Speaker better known for displays of weeping than of courage, is reportedly cutting a deal with Eric Holder which would provide a “mutually satisfactory” outcome in Barack Obama’s criminal, gun running endeavor Operation Fast and Furious.

Months ago, Boehner prevented Darrell Issa filing a charge of perjury against Holder even after documents proved the Attorney General’s May 4th House testimony concerning the date of his first “acquaintance” with Fast and Furious to be an outright lie.  And now the weepy Speaker will OFFICIALLY let the most corrupt Department of Justice head in the nation’s history off the hook for complicity in the Regime’s murderous scheme to savage the 2nd Amendment rights of the American people.

The terms of the betrayal John Boehner is currently putting together:

The Committee will accept the scalps of [Lanny] Breuer and [Jason] Wienstein, DOJ will release enough of the (documents) to condemn them, claim cooperation (thus giving the appearance of recognizing congress’s oversight authority), and Holder will survive – looking like a “leader” for offering them up (along with a few lower level ATF and DOJ folk). The Committee will chalk one in the “Win” column for oversight and holding people accountable. DOJ will have the same for cooperating and accountability. (1)

...

Are the House committee sources of Mike Vanderboegh–the citizen journalist responsible for so much of what we know of the Fast and Furious scheme and its DOJ sponsored cover-up–right about the looming betrayal to be perpetrated by the Speaker?

We will know by the actions of House leadership and the designated sacrificial lambs in this little exercise of DC collusion.  If Republican leadership demand NO prison time for any of the lambs, the fix is in. If any of those being sold down the river in return for the Regime’s continued ability to escape responsibility actually ARE on the way to jail, yet somehow unable to trade extremely damaging evidence against the DOJ or White House for protected status, we’ll ALSO know the fix is in.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 07, 2012, 03:38:52 PM
More from Mike Vanderboergh .... (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/02/sipsey-street-exclusive-meet-silent.html)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2012, 05:26:27 PM
Well, that is not calming my extreme   ::outrage::  !!!

Boner is going to regret the day he stabbed us all in the back!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 07, 2012, 06:27:27 PM

Paging Wild Bill Donahue,
                                     "Give me a fast ship, for I intend to go into harm's way."
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 07, 2012, 06:35:03 PM

Paging Wild Bill Donahue,
                                     "Give me a fast ship, for I intend to go into harm's way."


Paging Malcolm Reynolds,
                                      "I aim to misbehave."
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 11, 2012, 03:11:52 PM
Darrell Issa blinks (http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2012/02/11/fast-and-furious-rep-darrell-issa-blinks-no-contempt-charges-for-holder/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on February 11, 2012, 03:45:15 PM
"Issa Blinks"

Gawddamnit!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on February 11, 2012, 07:05:36 PM
  FUDGE!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 11, 2012, 07:10:21 PM

"Issa Blinks"

Gawddamnit!

One more nail.

ETA: This establishes that fix is in.

                                                                                                                  13525
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 11, 2012, 11:22:43 PM

Arguably the Most Raaaaacist Vehicle in America (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnF5PqfsWo#)

                                                                                                                            13540
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2012, 12:36:37 PM
Did I not say they are letting them get away with it?!  Didn't I?!

 ::gaah::

Sometimes the   ::foilhathelicopter::  are real!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on February 12, 2012, 12:38:55 PM
Did I not say they are letting them get away with it?!  Didn't I?!

 ::gaah::

Sometimes the   ::foilhathelicopter::  are real!

Yes, you did.  I'd hoped you were wrong.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2012, 01:39:54 PM
Did I not say they are letting them get away with it?!  Didn't I?!

 ::gaah::

Sometimes the   ::foilhathelicopter::  are real!

Yes, you did.  I'd hoped you were wrong.

I sure as heck don't like being right, not one bit!

It should NOT be that way.  An opposition party that does fails the oppose is as complicit as those doing the illegal and unconstitutional acts.  Their crime is not as severe as the primary perpetrator, but it is severe on its own!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 27, 2012, 12:14:54 PM
Did I not say they are letting them get away with it?!  Didn't I?!

 ::gaah::

Sometimes the   ::foilhathelicopter::  are real!

Yes, you did.  I'd hoped you were wrong.

I sure as heck don't like being right, not one bit!

It should NOT be that way.  An opposition party that does fails the oppose is as complicit as those doing the illegal and unconstitutional acts.  Their crime is not as severe as the primary perpetrator, but it is severe on its own!

They all belong to the Club.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on February 27, 2012, 12:18:03 PM
This news is  heartening. For the longest time it appeared EH was picking and choosing which border state to offend now we know better, he's attacked them all.  He's attacked them all except his beloved CA which is to be expected.

[blockquote]
Terri Reese Released on Bail!

(25 February) Still Awaiting details, but the judge granted bail last night and family members were on their way to pick her up this morning.  Bail was expected to be $2 million with a bond of $200,000.  Those numbers would mean that family and friends would be stretched to the limit to secure the bond, and this reduces the possibility of finding the money necessary if any of the other Reeses are ever granted bail, but for now the good news is that Terri is out of jail for the first time in almost 6 months.

We'll keep you posted as we learn anything new.

The Reese Family Railroad
Civilians targeted while gunwalkers walk

          (17 February) The investigation into the ATF/DOJ Gunwalker scandal code-named Fast & Furious has passed the one-year mark.  During that time Congressional investigators have put barely a chip in the stone wall established by Eric Holder and his Justice Department.  So far, fewer than 20 percent of the documents requested by Congressional investigators have been produced by the DOJ.  There have been a couple of resignations and a few reassignments, and one Justice Department official has refused to testify on Fifth Amendment grounds, but so far there hasn't been the slightest indication that anyone involved is going to spend a single day in jail.

In contrast, a family in New Mexico has languished in jail for almost six months.  They have been denied bail, their assets have been seized, and threatened with civil forfeiture.  They have yet to be convicted of anything.  

I’ve written previously of Rick Reese, his wife Terri, and their two sons, Ryin and Remington.  They were arrested without incident last August in Las Cruces, New Mexico on charges that they had knowingly sold guns and ammunition to smuggled to Mexican drug cartels.  While I don’t personally know the Reese family, I have spoken with a number of people who do.  The Reeses are by all accounts, well respected and liked within the Deming/Las Cruces area where they had lived for over 20 years, running a successful gun store for the past 17.  Rick Reese had planned to retire from the business and close the store at the end of 2011 in order to make a run for sheriff of Luna County.  Son Ryin was in the process of opening a store of his own in Las Cruces.  The family was asked to come down to the ATF offices to discuss Ryin’s application for a Federal Firearms License – where they were arrested.  Requests for bail have, so far, been denied on the grounds that they are flight risks and a threat to the community.  The government has also announced their intent to move forward with a civil forfeiture hearing to claim virtually everything the family owns as “ill-gotten gains.”

Prosecutors claim that denying bail to the Reeses follows a precedent set in a “similar” recent case in Columbus, New Mexico.  In that case, the mayor and other prominent citizens – all Mexican-Americans with close ties to Mexico – were actively working directly with Mexican drug gangs in a trafficking scheme.  Those defendants were held without bail as flight risks.  The Reeses are accused of, at worst, selling to questionable buyers and have no personal or family connections with Mexico.

Terri Reese recently had a new bail hearing in which prosecutors showed a video of an informant purchasing ammunition.  At the close of the sale Terri tore a mailing label off of a box with a comment about not wanting it to be traced back to them.  The prosecutor insisted that this was proof that Terri knew the ammo was destined for Mexico.  Terri’s lawyer explained that store labels on trash left at informal shooting areas had led to friction with local property owners.  He also pointed out that Terri had called ATF about a woman she suspected might be making straw purchases.  She was told they would look into it and that she should carry on as normal.  The woman turned out to be a government informant.  Sales to that informant constitute the core charges against Terri Reese.  As of press time, we are still awaiting a bail decision from the judge.

Meanwhile Eric Holder again testified before the House Government Reform Committee investigating the Fast & Furious fiasco in which government agents instructed gun dealers to sell thousands of firearms to suspected gun traffickers.  We now know that there was never any plan or attempt made to track or follow the guns and that Washington was actively seeking numbers from those sales to bolster support for a rule requiring dealers to report sales of multiple semi-auto long guns.  Several federal agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Agency and the FBI have admitted knowing about the tactics and being advised by DOJ to leave it alone.  The inter-agency cooperation clearly indicates very high-level involvement in keeping the Gunwalking scheme going, yet no one in a position of authority at the DOJ admits to authorizing the operation which has contributed to hundreds of murders – including that of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

The callous indifference to human life, Constitutional liberties, and the lying and stonewalling from ATF and the DOJ are indications of serious corruption within those agencies.  It all calls for an immediate and thorough investigation by an independent office with the authority to access every document and every witness.  This investigation must be taken out of the political realm and those responsible brought to justice.

The comparison between the way the Reese family has been treated for supposedly selling some 16 guns, and how federal agents and bureaucrats are being given a pass on “walking” close to 2000, is chilling.  If the Reeses are guilty that fact should be proven in court – before the forfeiture trial – and they should be released on bail in the meantime as guaranteed in the Constitution.  The same goes for those responsible for Fast & Furious.  The truth must be disclosed and everyone must be held accountable for their actions.

REESE DEFENSE FUND
ATTENTION Patricia Arias
First Savings Bank
520 South Gold
Deming, NM 88030


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Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2012, 12:30:01 PM
Where are they being held?  Thousands of people should be storming that place busting them out at the same time thousands are busting into the Justice Bldg in DC and drag EH out into the street!

We are such a bunch of dumb animals...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on February 29, 2012, 10:48:16 AM
I cannot loath this lying POS enough!

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1479072069001/holder-fast--furious-was-executed-poorly (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1479072069001/holder-fast--furious-was-executed-poorly)

I want this criminal thrown into a dark dank hole for the rest of his unnatural life!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 13, 2012, 12:22:24 PM

Snippets:

Waiting for Boner. Tea Parties Take on the Three Stooges Over Failure to Aggressively Investigate the Gunwalker Scandal. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/03/waiting-for-boner-tea-parties-take-on.html)


The difference between a simple audit and a forensic audit is the same as the relationship between an autopsy and a forensic autopsy. One merely explains how the subject died. The other seeks to identify who killed him.


This is why all federal government agencies and bureaus fear the GAGAS Monster. GAGAS is an acronym for "Generally Accepted Government Auditing Standards."


The fact is that most federal law enforcement agencies get away with what they do because they are not subject to forensic audits based upon GAGAS. One way that agencies seek to control the process is by "auditing" themselves and presenting the results to credulous (or, more often, totally-ignorant) congressmen. To be effective, agencies cannot be trusted to do GAGAS forensic audits because they are a party of interest. Eric Holder's DOJ, for example, could not be trusted to audit F&F.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             14741
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 17, 2012, 10:38:09 AM

[blockquote]
Friday document dump: Holder’s DOJ releases more on ‘Fast and Furious’ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/17/friday-document-dump-holders-doj-releases-more-on-fast-and-furious/)

Issa has laid the groundwork to hold Holder in contempt of Congress in the near future if he doesn’t comply with the subpoenas.[/blockquote]


Laid the groundwork to hold him in contempt?  Really?  Issa can't even hold his wife much less Holder. 

Put 'em all in irons.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2012, 11:38:06 AM
Trickle here trickle there, enough of this crap!  Issues subpoenas already and send the Marshalls in!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on April 21, 2012, 11:31:14 AM
http://freebeacon.com/third-smoking-gun-in-fast-and-furious/ (http://freebeacon.com/third-smoking-gun-in-fast-and-furious/)

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A new book raises questions as to whether the FBI hid the existence of a weapon recovered at the scene of murdered U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. Conservative commentator and author Katie Pavlich lays out evidence she says points to a FBI cover-up to protect a confidential informant in her recently released book, Fast and Furious: Barack Obama’s Bloodiest Scandal and Its Shameless Cover-up.

However, Pavlich asserts there was a third gun. The book details three separate pieces of evidence that point to a third weapon being recovered and then covered up by the FBI and the Justice Department.

Border Patrol agents, who have since been issued gag orders, were overheard at Terry’s funeral discussing the third gun.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2012, 01:59:30 PM
Read that on Friday BMG.  Just one more count to put against this Regime and its henchmen!

Mrs. Terry is being so poorly abused in all this, everytime to story comes up, and still the Regime gets away with its BS!

 ::gaah::
Title: Fast & Furious: First scapegaot falling?
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 26, 2012, 12:38:51 PM
BREAKING: Top Obama DOJ Official RESIGNING Over Fast and Furious? (http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/04/26/breaking-top-obama-doj-official-resigning-over-fast-and-furious/)

Reports now indicating U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich to step down under pressure from Fast and Furious scandal as well as ongoing investigation into multi-million dollar bribery scheme.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 26, 2012, 12:49:25 PM
Aw, come on?!  I don't want flunkies no mater how close their faces are to Erica's butt, I want Erica on a rail and run out of town!  What a bunch of useless PR BS!  Like this will put The Regime in its place!

 ::cussing::

Unless this little prick can be picked up and offered a deal...but I doubt it...proglodyte trash usually keeps their lips zipped...even if their pants aren't!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 26, 2012, 12:52:50 PM

The big trials come after the election.  Romney's got three big one's:

The economy and related
The military
and
Justice

All three must be cleaned up in order for us to return to a Republic.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 26, 2012, 12:56:23 PM
Once the trash has been removed, they'll need a lot of bleach to scrub the stench out.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on April 26, 2012, 01:00:39 PM
This is all well and good, but the job ain't done until the stench from this covers Holder at the very least and (in a perfect world) Obama as well.
Title: Re: Fast & Furious: First scapegaot falling?
Post by: Pandora on April 26, 2012, 02:33:33 PM
BREAKING: Top Obama DOJ Official RESIGNING Over Fast and Furious? (http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/04/26/breaking-top-obama-doj-official-resigning-over-fast-and-furious/)

Reports now indicating U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich to step down under pressure from Fast and Furious scandal as well as ongoing investigation into multi-million dollar bribery scheme.

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U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich plans to resign his position soon, as two different scandals rage on in which he has provided allegedly misleading information to Congress.

Weich, who has served as Attorney General Eric Holder’s emissary in congressional communications, will become the next dean of the University of Baltimore School of Law in July, according to the National Law Journal.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/high-ranking-doj-official-to-resign-amid-fast-and-furious-virgin-islands-bribery-scandals/#ixzz1tB0wTip5 (http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/high-ranking-doj-official-to-resign-amid-fast-and-furious-virgin-islands-bribery-scandals/#ixzz1tB0wTip5)

"Plans to resign SOON"?  Dean of a law school?  ::snort::  Doesn't seem under pressure to me.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on April 26, 2012, 05:06:28 PM

The big trials come after the election.  Romney's got three big one's:

The economy and related
The military
and
Justice

All three must be cleaned up in order for us to return to a Republic.



I'll expect nothing less than to see ALL of the F&F bunch in prison!!!!
Title: Re: Fast & Furious: First scapegaot falling?
Post by: John Florida on April 26, 2012, 09:26:28 PM
BREAKING: Top Obama DOJ Official RESIGNING Over Fast and Furious? (http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/04/26/breaking-top-obama-doj-official-resigning-over-fast-and-furious/)

Reports now indicating U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich to step down under pressure from Fast and Furious scandal as well as ongoing investigation into multi-million dollar bribery scheme.

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U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich plans to resign his position soon, as two different scandals rage on in which he has provided allegedly misleading information to Congress.

Weich, who has served as Attorney General Eric Holder’s emissary in congressional communications, will become the next dean of the University of Baltimore School of Law in July, according to the National Law Journal.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/high-ranking-doj-official-to-resign-amid-fast-and-furious-virgin-islands-bribery-scandals/#ixzz1tB0wTip5 (http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/high-ranking-doj-official-to-resign-amid-fast-and-furious-virgin-islands-bribery-scandals/#ixzz1tB0wTip5)

"Plans to resign SOON"?  Dean of a law school?  ::snort::  Doesn't seem under pressure to me.


 Scooter got jail time this guy gets a raise?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2012, 07:45:16 AM
What a   ::cussing::  joke!

My fears of the gulty getting away with this crap are still in play!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on April 27, 2012, 12:44:41 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57423017-503544/republicans-prepare-contempt-citation-against-eric-holder-over-fast-and-furious/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57423017-503544/republicans-prepare-contempt-citation-against-eric-holder-over-fast-and-furious/)

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House Republicans investigating the Fast and Furious scandal have gotten the go-ahead by their party leaders to pursue a contempt citation against Attorney General Eric Holder, senior congressional aides told CBS News. The resolution will accuse Holder and his Justice Department of obstructing the congressional probe into the allegations that the government let thousands of weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

The citation would attempt to force Holder to turn over tens of thousands of pages documents related to the probe, which has entered its second year.

For months, congressional Republicans probing ATF's Fast and Furious "Gunwalker" scandal - led by California Republican Darrell Issa, have been investigating a contempt citation. They've worked quietly behind the scenes to build support among fellow Republicans, since it could ultimately face a full House vote. CBS News has confirmed that House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, has given Rep. Issa, who heads the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, the go-ahead to proceed. A 48-page long draft contempt resolution is being prepared.

So...when does he start his jail time again? Yeah...thought so.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 27, 2012, 01:07:02 PM

Are they playing this to run up until voting time?
Hmmm, isn't it about time for summer recess?
Going down the memory hole 3...2..1.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on May 01, 2012, 03:38:40 PM
http://pjmedia.com/blog/judiciary-chairman-unleashes-on-holder-for-partisan-ignorance-of-constitution/?singlepage=true (http://pjmedia.com/blog/judiciary-chairman-unleashes-on-holder-for-partisan-ignorance-of-constitution/?singlepage=true)

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“The Obama administration has ignored the constitutional balance of power between co-equal branches of government and blocked investigations of its actions. When the Administration doesn’t like a law, they refuse to enforce it. And if the Senate’s constitutional authority to approve political appointees gets in their way, the Administration ignores the Constitution,” Smith said.

“All government officials are bound by the limits of the Constitution and the rule of law, including the President and the Attorney General,” the chairman added.

The report delves into several high-profile examples of the DoJ’s quest to “impose the Administration’s partisan agenda on the American people.”

The first of these: Operation Fast and Furious.

“Since the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives’ (ATF) Operation Fast and Furious first became public in January, 2011, the Department has responded with a consistent focus on avoiding responsibility rather than addressing institutional flaws,” the report states.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2012, 02:25:34 PM
Interesting, Democrat on House Oversight Committee sides with Issa Re: Holder subpoena.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/08/democrat-breaks-ranks-supports-issas-push-to-enforce-fast-and-furious-subpoena/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/08/democrat-breaks-ranks-supports-issas-push-to-enforce-fast-and-furious-subpoena/)

But, seeing as though this dude is in a tough district that he barely won 2 years ago, it is likely just some 4th quarter CYA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Donnelly (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Donnelly)

But Issa ought to exploit it and push harder!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 08, 2012, 06:56:26 PM

They/Issa could have dropped the hammer on this thing long ago.
This could have been bigger than Monica's blue dress and hamstrung
the administration for the rest of its term.

                                                                                                                          16420

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on May 09, 2012, 06:31:43 AM

They/Issa could have dropped the hammer on this thing long ago.
This could have been bigger than Monica's blue dress and hamstrung
the administration for the rest of its term.

                                                                                                                          16420



And I'm STILL waiting for the indictments..... ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 06:42:20 AM
I know CO, I know...I've been much vexed with the slowness of the Pubbies on this, and the passing of more and more time only makes it more likely that the guilty get away with their criminality!  But it was always in the back of my mind that this thing wasn't going to be brought to the front burner until this election cycle...I just hope the Pubbies haven't been too cute on this and end up with a big pot of skunk!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 08:51:50 AM
Another Dem refuses to back Holder. 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/09/another-democratic-member-refuses-to-back-holder/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/09/another-democratic-member-refuses-to-back-holder/)

When they start running it is time to chase them harder!  Release the hounds!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on May 09, 2012, 09:30:04 AM
Another Dem refuses to back Holder. 

http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/09/another-democratic-member-refuses-to-back-holder/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/05/09/another-democratic-member-refuses-to-back-holder/)

When they start running it is time to chase them harder!  Release the hounds Rottweilers!!

 FIFY. ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2012, 09:37:26 AM
Heh, I like!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 12, 2012, 12:39:50 PM
 
GOP leaders go slow on Eric Holder contempt vote (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76135.html)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-X23El7YxfvM/T6wR75nKLfI/AAAAAAAAIQI/XyYT1GluD9c/s1600/ScreenHunter_04%2BMay.%2B10%2B15.06.jpg)
 
The fix is still in.
Contempt or no contempt, that is the question. John Boehner's
"love ewe" raises her head once more? (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/04/fix-is-still-in-contempt-or-no-contempt.html)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2012, 06:20:24 PM
Hobble that ewe and get on with it!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on May 18, 2012, 06:41:23 PM
LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/05/18/gop-leadership-piling-the-pressure-onto-ag-holder-over-fast-furious/)

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At first, Speaker Boehner seemed cagey about actually forging ahead with holding Eric Holder in contempt — and perhaps he still is, because he’s finally decided to throw more of his weight behind getting Holder to pony up with the withheld documents, before Congress has to take it to the contempt-level. Earlier this week, Boehner personally asked Obama to pressure Holder to quit stonewalling, and today sent Holder a letter co-signed by Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, and Chairman Issa. And they did not mince words:
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 18, 2012, 07:17:30 PM

 House GOP de(http://www.dakotart.com/forum/images/smilies/circlejerk.gif)mands   Holder cooperate with investigators... (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/18/house-gop-holder-cooperate-gun-running-probe/)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 18, 2012, 07:49:26 PM
Ooh, I bet yet another sternly worded letter has Holder shaking in his boots.

Do these Republican eunuchs have any clue how increasingly contemptuously they are viewed by the people they expect to vote for them?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2012, 11:42:28 AM
I doubt it IDP...denial is not just a river in Egypt...

 ::bashing::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 20, 2012, 04:23:30 PM
Ooh, I bet yet another sternly worded letter has Holder shaking in his boots.

Do these Republican eunuchs have any clue how increasingly contemptuously they are viewed by the people they expect to vote for them?

Oh, they do.

I went to a speech by Senator DeMint recently. (Understand that DeMint thinks Romney is becoming more conservative like Reagan did over time.)  He said he met with Romney and Romney was trying to understand why he's having so much trouble with conservatives.  DeMint explained that it's because conservative voters don't believed that they (the conservative politicians) have the courage of their convictions. 

I thought that comment was revealing because it tells me they hear that we the voters don't trust them. They know.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 20, 2012, 04:32:55 PM
Ooh, I bet yet another sternly worded letter has Holder shaking in his boots.

Do these Republican eunuchs have any clue how increasingly contemptuously they are viewed by the people they expect to vote for them?

Oh, they do.

I went to a speech by Senator DeMint recently. (Understand that DeMint thinks Romney is becoming more conservative like Reagan did over time.)  He said he met with Romney and Romney was trying to understand why he's having so much trouble with conservatives.  DeMint explained that it's because conservative voters don't believed that they (the conservative politicians) have the courage of their convictions. 

I thought that comment was revealing because it tells me they hear that we the voters don't trust them. They know.

At least DeMint knows. But I think "they" don't know. Or they don't care. Or they know and they're more afraid of the clueless than they are of the informed. In any of those scenarios, people like John Boehner and Mitch McConnell fail to do what is necessary to save the country.

I see Jim DeMint as trying to bridge the gap between the establishment and the conservative electorate. A voice crying in the wilderness.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on May 20, 2012, 05:27:05 PM
I was reading an article on PJMedia about the British police allowing Muslim gangs to get away with rape, because they feared being accused of racial profiling.  Anyway, one of the comments on the article was a succinct summary of that problem and pretty much all our other problems too:

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Know what the problem for decent people is? No one fears you. Not the politicans, not the media and now not the police. Until this dynamic changes, they will all do with you anything they please.

That is the truth. How do we make them fear us then?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 20, 2012, 06:57:10 PM

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How do we make them fear us then?

How does it go?  One cannot get the answer until he asks the right question.
And that is the correct question.  As IDP said "they" don't get it, yes, and I think "they" don't care.  DeMint and some others do but those fat cows that have fenced themselves off from us will continue until they fear us.

"How do we make them fear us then?"
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on May 20, 2012, 07:17:41 PM

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How do we make them fear us then?

How does it go?  One cannot get the answer until he asks the right question.
And that is the correct question.  As IDP said "they" don't get it, yes, and I think "they" don't care.  DeMint and some others do but those fat cows that have fenced themselves off from us will continue until they fear us.

"How do we make them fear us then?"


  Show some of them who they once were before they started believing their own bullsh*t.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 20, 2012, 07:37:52 PM
You look at what is happening to people like Lugar, Hatch, Snowe; what happened to Murkowski, Crist... even when we give them reason to fear us politically/professionally speaking, they hold us in contempt.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on May 20, 2012, 07:48:03 PM
Exactly. They sneer at us with dismissive derision. The only consistent message I'm getting from them is that the voting booth doesn't strike any fear into their hearts.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2012, 08:14:23 AM
Just have to up the count then!

 ;)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on May 21, 2012, 11:24:43 PM
Just have to up the count then!

 ;)

Absolutely.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on May 31, 2012, 07:00:00 PM
http://www.westernjournalism.com/report-gop-will-end-fast-furious-investigation/ (http://www.westernjournalism.com/report-gop-will-end-fast-furious-investigation/)

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Sources in Washington, DC have told blogger and citizen reporter Mike Vanderboegh that Republican leaders have already decided to close down the Fast and Furious investigation and halt contempt proceedings against Eric Holder, because “they (the GOP leadership) don’t think that they will suffer for [that] failure to follow through. They’re scared of Holder’s race card. . . they’re scared of Trayvon. They think if they let Issa fail, that it will only be a story in the blogosphere for a day . . . that they can weather it. . . .” Unfortunately, Vanderboegh makes it clear that he trusts the word of these sources “implicitly.”

In short, John Boehner and other Republican big wigs are more afraid of the race card and its steady play by the Obama-owned national media than of the bitter –yet presumably brief—disappointment of conservatives, disgusted because the GOP has once again opted for the cowardly betrayal of justice and of the Party base.

From Mike Vanderboegh (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/05/crisis-of-legitimacy-boehner-said-to-be.html)

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    I received this little bit of news this morning while I was in the ER yet again. I made some calls from there. What I learned made me livid. One source I trust implicitly says that the story is correct.

        "They (the GOP leadership) don't think that they will suffer for failure to follow through. They're scared of Holder's race card. . . they're scared of Trayvon. They think if they let Issa fail, that it will only be a story in the blogosphere for a day . . . that they can weather it. . . . They exert pressure behind the scenes on those weak-kneed bastards (GOP congressmen), promise them sh*t and when the vote happens it will only look like Issa's case was weak. . . It will be his fault, not theirs."

More at link.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on May 31, 2012, 07:12:46 PM
I can't look. If they fail on this, it might be the final straw for me. I've said before that I have no faith in political solutions but I have hope. If the GOP leadership is so f**king dick-whipped by their Leftist masters that they cannot see the way clear to pursue to fruition a justice department operation illegally selling weapons to foreign cartels that resulted in the deaths of American law enforcement officers, then it is not my party.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on May 31, 2012, 08:22:53 PM
I can't look. If they fail on this, it might be the final straw for me. I've said before that I have no faith in political solutions but I have hope. If the GOP leadership is so f**king dick-whipped by their Leftist masters that they cannot see the way clear to pursue to fruition a justice department operation illegally selling weapons to foreign cartels that resulted in the deaths of American law enforcement officers, then it is not my party.

Nothing to fear.  Matter of fact, this part seems written just for folks like you and us:

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    "Don't they understand that this is the final crisis of their own legitimacy?" I fairly screamed into the phone at one. "Don't they understand how poorly some are going to react?" I added, "You know there's a whole lot of folks who have lost all faith in the system, people who don't listen to me about restraint and letting the system work. Doesn't Boehner understand that this is his last f--king chance to prove his oath means anything to him before people start acting on that? Does he really think this will have no consequences for him?"

    I sent word that I wanted to hear from someone at the Committee directly, to give them the opportunity to convince me that despite the evidence this really was disinformation. It is evening. I haven't heard a word.

That said, I'm so sick of it, "blackblackblackblackblackblackblackblackblackblackblackblack....".  They're 12 f**king percent of the population and the entire country is seemingly run for their benefit and in consideration of their f**king feelings because nobody wants to be called raaaayycist?!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 31, 2012, 08:27:17 PM
Tick tick tick...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 31, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
Quote

In short, John Boehner and other Republican big wigs are more afraid of the race card and its steady play by the Obama-owned national media than of the bitter –yet presumably brief—disappointment of conservatives,...

We elected the cowards, where's that punk from, Ohio? Yeah, thanks Ohio.
It doesn't matter though, they're all institutionalized, powdered, pampered
and pumped full of DC Power Juice.  And we elect them again.
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CINCINNATI - Speaker of the House John Boehner, of West Chester, has won the nomination to run in Ohio's 8th Congressional District.

The race was called when Boehner was leading David Lewis by a margin of 83 percent to 17 percent.  http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/political/elections_local/John-Boehner-wins-8th-Congressional-nomination


F_it, separation is the only answer.  Even if we elect a good person they get
hold of him isolate him, and initiate him, and infatuate him and he is lost to
us.  I offer them my disgust.  ::brushesbackofhandunderchin::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on May 31, 2012, 08:50:07 PM
It's time for this party to go the way of the dodo bird. They have failed utterly, at everything. From our perspective. From theirs, they have succeeded, because their task has always been to corral the conservative vote and then systematically deny it.

This Republic is done.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on May 31, 2012, 08:53:45 PM
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::brushesbackofhandunderchin::

Vavoncol.  (English - ba funghoul)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 31, 2012, 08:58:17 PM

Yeah, I've been looking for that smiley.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 31, 2012, 09:06:14 PM
It's time for this party to go the way of the dodo bird. They have failed utterly, at everything. From our perspective. From theirs, they have succeeded, because their task has always been to corral the conservative vote and then systematically deny it.

This Republic is done.

Have you ever gone back to a place that you left long ago?

Because we moved a lot when I was a kid I was able to do this - go back and revisit "the old neighborhood". In most cases I was disappointed by the changes I encountered. I wanted it to be as I remembered it. Of course the current residents either didn't remember what it used to be like, of have grown old along with it and have become inured to the changes.

I look around me - at my neighborhood, my town, my country - and see an open sewer. There isn't much of anything that I find attractive or inviting in any of it. I'm more than a little serious when I say that it wouldn't bother me if Seattle burned to the waterline. I no longer care about her or the people (parasites) that infest her.

Crass, ugly little gnomes going about their petty existences.

I want a refund.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on May 31, 2012, 09:28:37 PM
I know what you mean. There are times when I almost prefer that the USA not survive. Breaking apart on any number of fracture lines might be preferable, if some of the pieces suddenly found themselves free of the rot and disease that currently infects the whole.

And the inurement you speak of, that is for sure a deliberate tactic of the Left. What was it Hitler said, that the adults matter not because once they've got the youth they will grow into adulthood having never known things to be any other way.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Weisshaupt on May 31, 2012, 09:41:28 PM
I can't look. If they fail on this, it might be the final straw for me. I've said before that I have no faith in political solutions but I have hope. If the GOP leadership is so f**king dick-whipped by their Leftist masters that they cannot see the way clear to pursue to fruition a justice department operation illegally selling weapons to foreign cartels that resulted in the deaths of American law enforcement officers, then it is not my party.

Welcome to my world. Submit or Fight. Those are the choices left.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2012, 07:14:10 AM
Yeah, too bad a peaceful separation cannot be negotiated.   ::gaah::

Leftists, just like Muzzies...submit or fight to the death...

There is only one choice.  

 ::viking::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 01, 2012, 09:40:38 AM

Mike Vanderboegh takes exception to current reporting of his conclusions.
He thinks it's a bit too early to call foul, however, he does mention rocks and
his ability to shatter some windows. 
[blockquote]
Of John Boehner, Mice and Men. (Oh, and maybe a sheep.) Western Plagiarism Center jumping to illusions again and using me as a source for it. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/05/western-plagiarism-center-jumping-to.html)
Now the WJC's work on the Gunwalker scandal has in the past been at best duplicative, at worst plagiaristic and always subject to exaggerated headlines which they craft out of half cloth. They did not attempt to interview me for this story, which ought to tell you everything you need to know since they make me the center of it.[/blockquote]

Link (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/05/western-plagiarism-center-jumping-to.html)


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2012, 10:35:34 AM
 ::asskicking::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 05, 2012, 08:43:32 PM
(CBS News) (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447657-503544/fast-and-furious-wiretap-information-obtained-by-congress/)

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), today said senior Justice Department officials had specific information that their federal agents were using controversial “gunwalking” tactics.
...
Issa revealed that he has reviewed sealed wiretap(s) applications in the case, which were signed off on the authority of Holder’s Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer. Issa wrote Holder “having seen the wiretap applications, we now know that the information coming from the (Justice) Department has been misleading. That must stop.”

Issa and others familiar with the wiretap applications say they contain a “remarkable level of detail about these objectionable tactics.”

on and on (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447657-503544/fast-and-furious-wiretap-information-obtained-by-congress/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 05, 2012, 09:46:10 PM
(CBS News) (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447657-503544/fast-and-furious-wiretap-information-obtained-by-congress/)

Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), today said senior Justice Department officials had specific information that their federal agents were using controversial “gunwalking” tactics.
...
Issa revealed that he has reviewed sealed wiretap(s) applications in the case, which were signed off on the authority of Holder’s Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer. Issa wrote Holder “having seen the wiretap applications, we now know that the information coming from the (Justice) Department has been misleading. That must stop.”

Issa and others familiar with the wiretap applications say they contain a “remarkable level of detail about these objectionable tactics.”

on and on (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57447657-503544/fast-and-furious-wiretap-information-obtained-by-congress/)



 How long to election?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on June 05, 2012, 09:50:56 PM
Issa wrote Holder “having seen the wiretap applications, we now know that the information coming from the (Justice) Department has been misleading. That must stop.”

I see a very stern letter coming. The RINO's love stern letters. Heaven forbid they actually take friggin ACTION! ::rockets::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2012, 07:24:03 AM
The Republic is dying to thunderous applause...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 06, 2012, 03:50:27 PM
  This thing is heating up again and I still believe it will explode as we get closer to the election to smear it all over Bambi.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2012, 05:27:14 PM
Good, throw on some feathers and get a rail!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: benb61 on June 06, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
Don't forget the tar,  we will need lots of hot, gooey tar.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on June 06, 2012, 09:56:16 PM
  This thing is heating up again and I still believe it will explode as we get closer to the election to smear it all over Bambi.

I'm not getting my hopes up. Libtards have a pretty good record of being made of Teflon. ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2012, 06:44:35 AM
Don't forget the tar,  we will need lots of hot, gooey tar.

I thought John had that covered?   ::facepalm::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2012, 06:46:06 AM
  This thing is heating up again and I still believe it will explode as we get closer to the election to smear it all over Bambi.

I'm not getting my hopes up. Libtards have a pretty good record of being made of Teflon. ::gaah::

Teflon courtesy of the Democrat-Media Complex...with a not insignifcant assist from feckless RINOplastic Pubbies!    ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on June 07, 2012, 02:04:14 PM
I think this could stick because I think there'll be some dems looking to dump Obama and this will give them an excuse.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 07, 2012, 06:32:13 PM
Don't forget the tar,  we will need lots of hot, gooey tar.

I thought John had that covered?   ::facepalm::

   ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 07, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
To shut the Democraps on the committee up, Issa or Goemert (however his name is spelled) need to take this line of questioning on the friggin' record:

Mr. Holder, are you familiar with a little contretemps here in DC called Watergate?  Yes?  Good.  Now Mr. Holder, how many people died as a result of Watergate?  You don't know?  Well let me tell you, Mr. Holder, none, zero, zip, nada, zilch.  How many have died as a result of Fast & Furious?  You know of only one?  You are a filibustring, obfuscating, prevaricating sackweasel.  {Pregnant pause}  Mr. Holder, what did the President know about Fast & Furious and when did he know it?

Really, it's time to bring back that Golden Oldie.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 07, 2012, 07:14:27 PM

Our denizen of the five boroughs has returned.  Rick, there's no spine
there.  Speaker Yellowstain and his subordinates are too afraid they
will be labeled racists or see their shadow or sweat or something.
No cobs.
 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on June 07, 2012, 08:37:40 PM

Our denizen of the five boroughs has returned.  Rick, there's no spine
there.  Speaker Yellowstain and his subordinates are too afraid they
will be labeled racists or see their shadow or sweat or something.
No cobs.
 


EXACTLY! ::bashing::  It's beyond time to flush DC and get the crap out.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 07, 2012, 09:17:27 PM

Our denizen of the five boroughs has returned.  Rick, there's no spine
there.  Speaker Yellowstain and his subordinates are too afraid they
will be labeled racists or see their shadow or sweat or something.
No cobs.

I guess my posting's gotten lighter around the web.  I've lost too many posts at Gateway with that auto refresh crap of theirs.  I also think the new look Breitbart sites suck, not only in layout but in the commenting format as well.  It's like they don't want comments or something.  I post so infrequently at Ace, and you'd probably never know, as I love sockpuppeting there, which is really an art form taken to new heights/depths (depending on your perspective).  I hate TepidAir, and it's 'leading conservative website' crapola.  (Yeah, I live in Queens, just like Arch.  A neighborhood over, in fact.  Got somet'in' ta say 'bouddit?)  I follow a number of threads here, reading and keeping up, but not posting much.  It's the main reason I really like this type of forum layout, plus that 'Show new replies to your posts' feature; really allows one to follow a thread of one's interest, like this one and the Culture Watch thread.  That's where I can find links to stuff I most likely will not read anywhere else.  Helps to keep well rounded, or well read, but most certainly not well red.

Honestly, I find what I have to say redundant to the google degree.  I'm like everyone else who understands the present with respect to History:  We're all waiting for the other shoe to drop.  And it will.  We all know it.  More people than our fine propagandist media will let on.  It's like those exit polls from Wisconsin touted after the recall election:  Owebama really Won! because, well, because people who just voted for Walker said they will vote for the Precedent.  I mean, c'mon.  In the old Soviet Russia, the people knew to read between the lines, to keep a memory as people were constantly airbrushed away.  The difference being that in the Soviet Union, those reporters in their media could well be shot for some transgression, so they did their best to get the real news out through all the red tape censorship.  But our media?  Well, they willingly sold their souls -- and whatever 'ethics' they ever held -- to become the propaganda organ of the Democrap Party.  It's also like the Catholic Church calling for civil disobedience.  When was the last time some large reputable organization called for civil disobedience over some government policy?  And this is not news?  But the churchgoers know, even you proddie heathens.  The Catholic Church, with its lawsuits already in the pipeline, has picked up other religious sects and denominations in their stand against Government violating Freedom of Religion.  How can this possibly not be news?

I remember watching a clip, probably on the old History Channel before it became Ice Road Truckers/Swamppeople/Anything But History.  There was a, I guess press room, Presidential Q & A with Eisenhower.  He was sitting/leaning on the front of the desk, fielding reporters' questions.  He answered questions citing Constitutional wording, authority and history.  He was perfectly comfortable expounding on the Constitution in a give and take with a then curious press.  They even asked adult questions.  That clip was a stark contrast to King Barry the Munificent who doesn't have time for the military on Memorial Day or D-Day, but he sure can make time for those 'fund raisers' jetting around using his spiffy ride.  Barry couldn't stutter his way out of a wet paper bag.  It's obvious to me why this Harvard lawyer (who gave up his law license) never tried a case in court in front of a jury.  He is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a moron and no jury would ever buy what he's selling.  In fact, that's the trouble with our Barry, he's never had to actually show a profit in what he's selling (and bullsh*t is not a high profit product), which is just like his economic 'investments'.  Which gets into another area that simply amazes me.  Millions of taxpayer dollars in corruption to green companies who went bankrupt.  Owebama's reaction?  "Well, investing is a risk'.  I sh*t you not.  He actually thinks capitalism is risking government money on companies where they reap all the profit and the citizenry eat the losses.  Unbelievable.  And this is not news?  Forget Reverrunatthemouth Wright.  Forget Black Liberation Theology.  Forget Critical Race Theory.  Forget Marx.  Forget Engels.  Forget Alinsky.  Forget Derek Bell.  Forget Skip Gates.  Forget all that crap.  Our media can't even talk about the economy without spinning 8.2% unemployment as good, spinning funemployment and recovery summers.

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In other words, the unemployment rate in all 41 months of Obama’s presidency has been higher than that of any single month in President Bush’s 8 years in office.

... It also marks 40 consecutive months in which the unemployment rate has been 8% or higher in the 41st month of the Obama presidency.

This is not news worthy of coverage, of punditry having a field day?  Even though I'm tired of playing the game, put an 'R' next to a president with this record.  Think of the media coverage, the hammering and battering the Administration would get from a hostile press.  Think of unicorns and skittles while you're at it.

I guess I'm just tired and waiting, like I said, for the other shoe to drop.  The pot's boiling now, what with all the racial crap thrown on top of all the economic, and other pressing, issues.  (Oh like say, surrendering in Afghanistan.)  

I read a lot still, but I'm very binary now.  I can't be bothered with libs, or trying to reason with them.  I can't be bothered when I see shows like Hardcore Pawn and Parking Wars and think (like Jar-Jar Binks), Niggaz on Parade.  I guess I'm tired of all the bullsh*t and want a resolution, come what may.  I guess I've seen too many Nike commericals:  Just do it (already)!
  
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 07, 2012, 09:23:33 PM
So say we all.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2012, 07:42:42 AM
Amen Rick!   ::clapping::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2012, 07:46:29 AM
Oh, and as far as our feckless leadership is concerned...F&F or whatever the issue...it will continue to be SSDD until WE replace the leadership!

http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2012/06/07/holder-stumbles-under-questioning-about-david-alexrod/ (http://www.redstate.com/brian_d/2012/06/07/holder-stumbles-under-questioning-about-david-alexrod/)

And I fear to poop will be flying off the fan before that can even be close to being achieved...

I've been waiting decades for fighters to start fighting, and the Tea Party insurgency filled me with some hope that it had begun, but it has been fits/starts since...and the clock is only running down...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on June 08, 2012, 11:37:46 AM
And I fear to poop will be flying off the fan before that can even be close to being achieved...


My fear as well. ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2012, 11:52:10 AM
Issa schedules committe vote on contempt.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57450110-503544/house-committee-schedules-contempt-vote-against-holder/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57450110-503544/house-committee-schedules-contempt-vote-against-holder/?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea)

This part amuses me...

House Speaker John Boehner also released a statement supporting the move, saying "the Justice Department is out of excuses."

"Congress has given Attorney General Holder more than enough time to fully cooperate with its investigation into 'Fast and Furious,' and to help uncover the circumstances regarding the death of Border Agent Brian Terry," Boehner added. "Either the Justice Department turns over the information requested, or Congress will have no choice but to move forward with holding the Attorney General in contempt for obstructing an ongoing investigation."

Umm, either Issa got his hands on embarassing pics of the Speaker or somebody else got to him and read him the riot act, perhaps a gang of angry Freshmen Repub's have had enough?  Interesting to see what news comes of this push, but as always I won't get my hopes up too much, not with the history this leadership has...dollars to doughnuts if contempt passes the whole House, the leadership gets the short end of the stick during negotiations and another day in court is denied We the People!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 11, 2012, 01:15:50 PM
Another option addressing why this has dragged on so frustratingly with a seeming lack of GOP will to get to the bottom of it quickly may be a purely political one.

It could be that Issa has had the goods on Holder all along, and has saved this "ramping up" of charges for right before the Presdential election.

Such cynical political use of high crimes and murder of border agents carries much political risk. But nothing compared to this debacle playing out during the campaigns.

I cannot believe that once the American people are fully aware of this, that Obama will not be vewed as accountable.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 11, 2012, 01:28:49 PM
True IDP.  Doing the right thing should not be held hostage by political whim, but it is a consideration in the delay of justice.  I hope you are right about the guilty being held to account!

 ::praying::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 13, 2012, 12:06:06 PM
It could be that Issa has had the goods on Holder all along, and has saved this "ramping up" of charges for right before the Presdential election.

It is my belief that that is exactly what's going on. I expect it to get more heated soon and to continue to be an issue all through the run-up to November.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2012, 01:38:13 PM
It could be that Issa has had the goods on Holder all along, and has saved this "ramping up" of charges for right before the Presdential election.

It is my belief that that is exactly what's going on. I expect it to get more heated soon and to continue to be an issue all through the run-up to November.

As long as they crush necks!   ::oldman::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 13, 2012, 01:42:36 PM
It could be that Issa has had the goods on Holder all along, and has saved this "ramping up" of charges for right before the Presdential election.

It is my belief that that is exactly what's going on. I expect it to get more heated soon and to continue to be an issue all through the run-up to November.

As long as they crush necks!   ::oldman::

Yup!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 13, 2012, 01:57:17 PM
I also think it's big that NBC has finally mentioned the case, even in their obfuscating way. They may see the sh*tstorm on the horizon and figured they better make at least a perfunctory effort at getting out in front of this thing.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 13, 2012, 03:57:29 PM
 TICK TICK TICK the election is getting closer and closer and this thing is getting hotter and hotter.


     ::whoohoo:: ::danceban:: ::snoopydance:: ::vafancoul::(this one I love)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2012, 06:48:42 AM
Can't get hot enough or fast enough to suit me.  Holder ought to be in federal pound-it in-the-ass prison and Obama should be impeached, but in an election year with skeerdie-cat pubbies running a reelection op, I will have to be disappointed again.

Anyway, more gasoline, more fire!

 ::stirpot::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 14, 2012, 11:31:15 AM
Blink.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/13/grassley-open-to-negotiating-with-holder-over-contempt-push-but-sets-high-bar/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/13/grassley-open-to-negotiating-with-holder-over-contempt-push-but-sets-high-bar/?test=latestnews)

 ::falldownshocked::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 14, 2012, 12:33:58 PM
 ::overkill::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 14, 2012, 01:43:48 PM
LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/14/issa-to-holder-okay-sure-lets-talk/)

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When Holder was in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee earlier this week, he repeatedly claimed he was more than willing to cooperate with the investigation, and Deputy Attorney General James Cole has also asked for a private meeting with House Oversight Committee members. To that effect, Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa sent Holder a letter on Wednesday asking him to actually follow through on those bold-faced “let’s make a deal” proclamations and quit the dithering.

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And hey, here’s another interesting tidbit: On Wednesday afternoon, the DOJ announced that Ronald Weich, an assistant attorney general for legislative affairs who once denied reports of ATF gunwalking, is leaving his job.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on June 14, 2012, 02:02:46 PM
Blink.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/13/grassley-open-to-negotiating-with-holder-over-contempt-push-but-sets-high-bar/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/13/grassley-open-to-negotiating-with-holder-over-contempt-push-but-sets-high-bar/?test=latestnews)

 ::falldownshocked::


Crap.....Ok...Open the door but slam it shut on his toe.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 19, 2012, 10:20:27 PM

@DarrellIssa: "After our meeting, we're on for a Holder contempt vote tomorrow. Didn't have to come to this" (http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2012/06/19/its-on-holder-tries-to-play-issa-on-fast-and-furious-will-be-subject-of-contempt-vote-tomorrow/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 19, 2012, 11:15:10 PM
Yes.  It damn well did.

WAR.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 07:26:52 AM
Yes.  It damn well did.

WAR.

Amen!

HotAir calls this a "game of chicken".

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/19/no-deal-after-meeting-issa-says-contempt-vote-on-holder-is-still-on/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/19/no-deal-after-meeting-issa-says-contempt-vote-on-holder-is-still-on/)

Not sure I would go with that analogy, given that Pubbies are often on the wrong side of that deal!

WAR is the right comparison, and while I fully expect that the Regime's tainted AG will continue to defy oversight and refuse to provide documents even if the House passes the contempt citation, it is a necessary step toward removing this POS from office.  And WAR means using all weapons in your arsenal, it is time Congress, States and citizens everywhere to stand in defiance of this lawless Regime and openly ignore, frustrate and battle their unconstitutional edicts.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 20, 2012, 09:29:23 AM
Now they're claiming Executive Privilege.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 09:47:18 AM
Now they're claiming Executive Privilege.

I see their priviledge and whip out the trump card of the Declaration of Independence.  I deem this Regime in violation of Founding Principles.  Time for The People to execute their God-given rights!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Time to effect real change!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: radioman on June 20, 2012, 09:56:59 AM
If I was Issa, I would declare that Obama must have been involved all along with fast and furious. In order to qualify for ex. priv,the president must have been involved, and obama has american blood on his hands.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 10:18:32 AM
If I was Issa, I would declare that Obama must have been involved all along with fast and furious. In order to qualify for ex. priv,the president must have been involved, and obama has american blood on his hands.

Where there's smoke, there's a Choom Club jackass!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 20, 2012, 10:28:43 AM

Ah, election year presidential impeachment festivities
and for added attraction indictments all around.

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Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 10:45:48 AM
 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 20, 2012, 10:47:48 AM

FLASHBACK 2007: Obama Attacked Trying "To Hide Behind Executive Privilege" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpwYh9TD6Nc#)

Obama in 2007 told CNN that Executive Privilege was not a good reason to with hold information from Congress.

Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/jun/20/obama-asserts-executive-privilege-over-ff-docs/)

“The assertion of executive privilege raises monumental questions,” ...

“How can the president assert executive privilege if there was no White House involvement? How can the president exert executive privilege over documents he’s supposedly never seen? Is something very big being hidden to go to this extreme? The contempt citation is an important procedural mechanism in our system of checks and balances,” ...

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 20, 2012, 11:04:04 AM
  He did this because the liar in chief is in it up to his ass.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 11:10:17 AM
Time to employ total war doctrine and crush them all decisively.  The message from leaders should be "If you cannot man-up, sit down and shut up and don't impede us"!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 11:40:25 AM
I'm beginning to think Issa, Grassley and maybe even Boehner had more than suspicion that F&F went right up to Obama and just accumulated whatever documents, testimony (and perjury) while building a case that would wind up right here; (in Boehner's case, I think fear was the operative emotion).

They need to move forward with the contempt citation and a Special Prosecutor.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Sectionhand on June 20, 2012, 11:43:30 AM
Right now Stymie and Holder look like a couple of monkeys trying to screw a football . The plot thinens .
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 11:46:35 AM
I'm beginning to think Issa, Grassley and maybe even Boehner had more than suspicion that F&F went right up to Obama and just accumulated whatever documents, testimony (and perjury) while building a case that would wind up right here; (in Boehner's case, I think fear was the operative emotion).

They need to move forward with the contempt citation and a Special Prosecutor.

Obama will never allow a Special Prosecutor, the Speaker will have to take the Admin to court, and the election will be here and gone by the time any prosecutor could be had, and by then the Democrat-Media Complex will be on its hobby-horse of "this is a waste of time and money", blah, blah, blah..."this is all Bush's fault", yadda yadda yadda...

Screw that noise.  I say push the constitutional crises on all levels, I want everyone attacking and defying this filthy Regime!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
Right now Stymie and Holder look like a couple of monkeys trying to screw a football . The plot thinens .

Oh sh....!  Mountain Dew stings when shot out the nose!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 20, 2012, 11:54:28 AM
  Death of a thousand paper cuts. ::dueling::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: ToddF on June 20, 2012, 12:12:14 PM
If I was Issa, I would declare that Obama must have been involved all along with fast and furious. In order to qualify for ex. priv,the president must have been involved, and obama has american blood on his hands.

And there's the key point to take out of all this. 

Plus a cool new avatar, thanks to the obvious Nixon comparisons.   ::pimp::

Stuttering Crook of a Miserable Failure it is. 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 12:34:09 PM
If I was Issa, I would declare that Obama must have been involved all along with fast and furious. In order to qualify for ex. priv,the president must have been involved, and obama has american blood on his hands.

And there's the key point to take out of all this. 

Plus a cool new avatar, thanks to the obvious Nixon comparisons.   ::pimp::

Stuttering Crook of a Miserable Failure it is. 

At least Nixon has more honor than Obama...people ought to think about that.  F&F makes Watergate look like kids play in comparison...at least Nixon didn't kill anybody over Watergate!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 20, 2012, 01:47:51 PM

This is a Constitutional crisis to the highest levels of the highest proportions.
It is alarming that the nation is not in an uproar.  Well, no, it's not, eliminate
cable (Fox) TB and there is no info, the people who are not viewers or avid
surfers they are devoid of knowledge of Fast and Furious.  

Brian Williams, one night, will appear saying, ladies and gentlemen we have just
been informed of alarming new information that the president and the attorney general
have been indicted for conspiracy to defraud the nation, undermine our national security,
murder, accessory to murder, and defamation of office. We here at the news room are
shocked and I'm sure, shortly so will the rest of the nation.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: robins111 on June 20, 2012, 01:52:18 PM
I haven't commented on this issue before because it was an American thingy.. however as someone looking in from outside,  I'd say its gonna get real ugly very soon..  I'd be watching on how this plays out in the media.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2012, 01:55:56 PM
Yeah CO, if there is a MFM broadcast it won't be until the end game script is unavoidable, if ever.

It should get ugly Robins, this is magnitudes worse than Watergate, plenty of lies, but this one has a dead agent as a result of Admin malfesance, and the stonewalling will soon surpass Nixonian standards.

I want to hear the non-stop hectoring of "What did the President know, and when did he know it?  Was it before or after Agent Terry was gunned down?"

Until then my opinion of the MFM remains at abosolute zero.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 02:03:00 PM
Two dead agents, Libertas; Brian Terry, BP, and Jaime Zapata, ICE.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: radioman on June 20, 2012, 02:07:16 PM
Bottomline,
with obama giving ex. priv to holder means he just bought this scandal lock stock and barrel. What did gen powell once say? You go in there and you own it. Itz your mess to clean up obama. You made this scandal 'all about you-oo'.

 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 20, 2012, 02:31:56 PM
  Romney camp should be all over this.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 02:42:24 PM
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The campaign of former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the GOP’s nominee for president, on Wednesday criticized President Barack Obama’s decision to invoke executive privilege over Fast and Furious-related documents.

“President Obama’s pledge to run the most open and transparent administration in history has turned out to be just another broken promise,” Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul said in an email to The Daily Caller.

Romney called for Holder’s resignation in December 2011, but has remained largely silent on Fast and Furious since. His only other acknowledgement of the scandal came during a speech at the NRA convention earlier this year.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/romney-aide-obama-invoking-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-docs-just-another-broken-promise-of-transparency/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/romney-aide-obama-invoking-executive-privilege-over-fast-and-furious-docs-just-another-broken-promise-of-transparency/)

Hopefully, Romney's just getting warmed up ....
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 02:47:39 PM
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In the wake of President Barack Obama asserting executive privilege to withhold Operation Fast and Furious documents from Congress, the Department of Justice has withdrawn a second statement made to Congress because it was inaccurate.

During last week’s Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Holder had alleged that former Attorney General Michael Mukasey knew of gunwalking during the George W. Bush administration.

“An attorney general who I suppose you would hold in higher regard was briefed on these kinds of tactics in an operation called Wide Receiver and did nothing to stop them — nothing,” Holder told Texas Republican Sen. John Cornyn during that hearing. “Three hundred guns, at least, walked in that instance.”

After the hearing, Grassley wrote to Holder asking him to provide evidence to back up his blaming Mukasey.

Instead of being able to facilitate evidence, though, according to Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley’s office, Holder and the DOJ have now retracted that statement.

“This is the second time in nearly seven months that the Department has gotten its facts wrong about gunwalking,” Grassley said. “Attorney General Holder accused Attorney General Mukasey, without producing any evidence, of having been briefed on gunwalking in Wide Receiver. The case Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on, Hernandez, is fundamentally different from both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious since it involved cooperation with the Mexican government. Attorney General Holder’s retraction should have included an apology to the former Attorney General.”

In his original request for evidence that supported the statements, Grassley said if Holder could not back the claim, he owed Mukasey an apology. Holder did not include an apology in the retraction. It’s unclear if the attorney general will apologize to Mukasey for the now-retracted statement. Holder spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler wouldn’t answer when The Daily Caller asked her.

“In his eagerness to blame the previous administration, Attorney General Holder got his facts wrong,” Grassley added. “And his tactic didn’t bring us any closer to understanding how a bad policy evolved and continued. Bad policy is bad policy, regardless of how many administrations carried it out. Ironically, the only document produced yesterday by the Department appears to show that senior officials in the Attorney General’s own Department were strategizing about how to keep gunwalking in both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious under wraps.”

The first time Holder’s DOJ withdrew a statement to congress because of its inaccuracy was when now-former Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote to Sen. Grassley on Feb. 4, 2011, telling him that the DOJ and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives never allowed guns to walk. It wasn’t until several months later that Holder withdrew that false statement.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/another-retraction-holder-withdraws-claim-that-bushs-attorney-general-knew-about-gunwalking/#ixzz1yMfi52nL (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/another-retraction-holder-withdraws-claim-that-bushs-attorney-general-knew-about-gunwalking/#ixzz1yMfi52nL)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: robins111 on June 20, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
If proven that bammy & holder were deliberately supplying the cartels with firearms for politically motivated reasons ( to salt the numbers to call for increased gun control) in fact, what this bunch has done is essentially declare war on Mexico, by supplying a rebel army with weapons of war..   gonna get interesting..
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 20, 2012, 03:34:54 PM
I watched as much of the Investigation and Oversight Committee as I could stand.  Now this was the bitching and moaning before the vote.

A couple of points.  There was an R rep from UT, I believe it was, who made the point that since Owebama has invoked executive privilege, he must be involved somehow or why invoke EP in the first place?

Also, the outright lying by the Dems is nauseating.  They were trying to bring up Mukassey and Fruticis Culpam Est because it really started under his watch.  The major differences between Bush's program (a worthy goal) and The Stuttering Clusterfu*k of a Miserable Tyrant's are important but ignored.  The Bush Admin worked with the Mexican Government; Owebama's not so much.  Also when the tracking devices placed on the guns were found to be faulty, that is they could not track the weapons, the Bush Administration aborted the operation.  Owebama's henchmen didn't even try to track the damn guns.

I also truly believe, and I think we all believe this, F&F was all about Gun Control here in the States.  The Admin was working on the meme that Mexian gun violence was happening with American guns.  Calderon went with it, too.  I remember reading about a conversation between the two where Owebama said something to the effect that he's working on gun control, but that they have to do it behind the scenes.  The Jug Eared Fu*k knew, and Holder knew the Jug Eared Fu*k knew.

What kept giving me agita I do not need, including literally screaming at the tv, was this nonsense that Holder should be given more time.  That last night he met with the two ranking members to work out a deal, but he brought no documents.  The Democraps on the committee are using the talking point that Holder wants to cooperate, give him time, even though he's had more than enough time.  Also, the committee has something like 8,000 documents out of an estimated 70,000; Holder, himself, estimated 140,000.  The Democraps were all praising the unprecedented candor from an attorney general providing the document requests and there was no need for the contempt motion.

I will say there were two 'young guns', the one from UT I mentioned above, and one from OK.  They were both very sharp, and gave pointed rejoinders to the crap the Demecraps were spewing.  After all, they aren't called Democraps for nothing.

I want to see the sharks circling, just in time for some summertime diversion.

Owebama is so imperious that he makes Nixon look like a kindergarden piker.  This precedency truly is unprecedented.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on June 20, 2012, 04:10:11 PM
Two dead agents, Libertas; Brian Terry, BP, and Jaime Zapata, ICE.

And hundreds of dead Mexicans. Some countries start wars over such things. Fortunately for us Mexico is limited to merely shipping us tons and tons of toxic drugs. But they could slip a jihadi or two in if they wanted to.

The Democrats can say what they want about Republicans not liking the hispanics or latinos or whatever trendy name they are currently using but...only Democrats have purposefully enabled the mass murders of Mexicans. It would be interesting to see this play out against the immigration thing on a level playing field. Won't happen, of course, but I'd like to see it happen.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 05:11:28 PM
This must be the Constitutional crisis Holder threatened.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 20, 2012, 05:20:28 PM
Just think if you or I were in Contempt of Congress for ignoring one of their subpoenas (for over 8 months).  Just how long do you think it would take for us to be arrested and led away in handcuffs?  8 friggin' months.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on June 20, 2012, 06:00:51 PM
Just think if you or I were in Contempt of Congress for ignoring one of their subpoenas (for over 8 months).  Just how long do you think it would take for us to be arrested and led away in handcuffs?  8 friggin' months.


About 8 minutes.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 20, 2012, 06:05:37 PM
Dead in 8 minutes.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 20, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
  Clemens got the full treatment and this guy is thumbing his nose at everybody and nothing happens.He was right when he said when it comes to race were a nation of cowards.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 20, 2012, 08:11:49 PM

Clemens ought to run for office, he's got the stones
and he knows how it works. 

Wonder if Boehner could intimidate him?
                                                           ::grouphug::


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 20, 2012, 11:40:11 PM

It's difficult to click out at work so here's a big taste:

Sipsey Street Exclusive: The Strategic Communicator. "Tough Guy" Denis McDonough, "Obama’s single most influential foreign policy adviser" and the Fast & Furious Cover-up. (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/06/sipsey-street-exclusive-strategic_17.html)

[blockquote]Deconfliction is a military and engineering term that refers to the process of avoiding mutual interference, or outright hazards, among systems under the control of one's own sides. It is most often used in the context of preventing fratricide, or having weapons hit one's own troops, but it has broader implications.
[/blockquote]


    Denis McDonough, whose first official job with the Obama administration was Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communication is now the Deputy National Security Advisor.

    SIPSEY STREET EXCLUSIVE: As early as October 2009, officials in both the Central Intelligence Agency and the Drug Enforcement Administration objected through their respective chains of command about weapons smuggling and related confidential informant operations in the Republic of Mexico on the part of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including what the world has come to know as Operation Fast and Furious, according to previously reliable sources familiar with the intelligence operations of the United States.

    Because of the refusal of the ATF and FBI at lower levels to allow "deconfliction" with the CIA and DEA, these complaints, according to the sources, were eventually forwarded to the National Security Council of the White House, including Kevin O'Reilly, a State Department employee seconded to the NSC, O'Reilly's boss Dan Restrepo, then Director of Western Hemisphere Affairs at the NSC and Denis McDonough, then NSC's head of Strategic Communication and since then promoted to the Deputy Director of the National Security Council. McDonough, described in one biographical sketch as a "tough guy" and "Obama’s single most influential foreign policy adviser," is also a personal friend and "basketball buddy" of the President of the United States.

    The result, said one source, "The word came back from NSC, 'butt out.'"

More (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/06/sipsey-street-exclusive-strategic_17.html)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 21, 2012, 01:05:28 AM
We'll see if the old adage holds true: it ain't the crime it's the cover up.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2012, 07:11:43 AM
Hmmm...  Something smells CO, and its not the usual BO!  Sounds like some nice chap's to haul before Congress.  Of course these clowns will only whip out the 5th, but the show must go on.

I wonder what could happen first?  Obama impeached or defeated in the election?  That's a race I'd like to bet on, but given the weakness of the Pubbies and the Senate under the control of Darth Dingy, I am once again resigned to disappointment.

Anyway, full House vote on contempt next week, unless Erica really really comes through with documents...this time.   ::)  Yeah, riiight!   ::mooning::

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jun/20/picket-boehner-cantor-announce-house-fast-furious-/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/jun/20/picket-boehner-cantor-announce-house-fast-furious-/)

Oh, and did you see this bullsplatter by Nasty Pelosi?

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/pelosi-rips-holder-contempt-charges-i-could-have-arrested-karl-rove-on-any-given-day/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/pelosi-rips-holder-contempt-charges-i-could-have-arrested-karl-rove-on-any-given-day/)

What a load of crap!  Nobody is harder on The Butthead than I am, and even I admit he did nothing to break any law, and this bloviating botox bimbo knows it too!  The Buttheads sins are political and against conservative principles, period.  Nasty Pelosi better think about arresting her mouth before she ends up in the capitol prison she so earnestly admires!

Lying tart!

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: benb61 on June 21, 2012, 09:43:31 AM
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What a load of crap!  Nobody is harder on The Butthead than I am, and even I admit he did nothing to break any law, and this bloviating botox bimbo knows it too!  The Buttheads sins are political and against conservative principles, period.  Nasty Pelosi better think about arresting her mouth before she ends up in the capitol prison she so earnestly admires!

Lying tart!

Proof she was lying, Congress never voted on a Contempt of Congress charge against Rove, so she was powerless to attempt an arrest.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 21, 2012, 09:55:23 AM
LINK (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100166854/the-fast-and-furious-scandal-is-turning-into-president-obamas-watergate/)

Quote
Fast and furious hasn’t been discussed a lot in the mainstream media, which is why the facts can seem so preposterous when you read them for the first time. But the story is slowly unraveling and the public is catching up with the madness. On Wednesday, the The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his decision to withhold documents related to the “gun walking” operation – documents that President Obama tried to keep secret by invoking executive privilege. The question of why the Prez intervened in this way will surely hang over the investigation and the White House for many months to come. Be patient, conservatives. It took nearly eight months for the Watergate break in to become a national news story. But when it finally did, it toppled a President.

Looks like Holder's stench starting to taint Obumbles...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2012, 11:29:09 AM
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What a load of crap!  Nobody is harder on The Butthead than I am, and even I admit he did nothing to break any law, and this bloviating botox bimbo knows it too!  The Buttheads sins are political and against conservative principles, period.  Nasty Pelosi better think about arresting her mouth before she ends up in the capitol prison she so earnestly admires!

Lying tart!

Proof she was lying, Congress never voted on a Contempt of Congress charge against Rove, so she was powerless to attempt an arrest.

She was lying either way...if she had cause to get a contempt citiation and didn't do it, it means she just admited she was negligent.  So, either way you cut it Pelosi is full of sh*t.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2012, 11:29:58 AM
LINK (http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100166854/the-fast-and-furious-scandal-is-turning-into-president-obamas-watergate/)

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Fast and furious hasn’t been discussed a lot in the mainstream media, which is why the facts can seem so preposterous when you read them for the first time. But the story is slowly unraveling and the public is catching up with the madness. On Wednesday, the The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt over his decision to withhold documents related to the “gun walking” operation – documents that President Obama tried to keep secret by invoking executive privilege. The question of why the Prez intervened in this way will surely hang over the investigation and the White House for many months to come. Be patient, conservatives. It took nearly eight months for the Watergate break in to become a national news story. But when it finally did, it toppled a President.

Looks like Holder's stench starting to taint Obumbles...

Pretty good round up, figures it didn't come from an American MFM newspaper.   ::)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 22, 2012, 10:23:10 AM
LINK (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/21/can-obama-make-an-executive-privilege-claim-stick/)

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Will Barack Obama’s claims of executive privilege work legally, and will it work politically?  We’re more likely to find the answer to the second question before we find the answer to the first, as the presidential election will arrive before any definitive court ruling on the action yesterday from Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.  In my column for The Fiscal Times, I predict that Obama will lose on both counts:

This was an interesting read...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 22, 2012, 12:42:35 PM
Yeah, we'll see.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 23, 2012, 10:35:13 AM

‘Hey, people die’ (http://www.therightscoop.com/juan-williams-shills-for-holder-over-brian-terrys-death-people-die/)

Juan Williams honestly reflects the Marxist perspective in persuing their ideology; it includes you too.

[blockquote] WILLIAMS: What do you think the government shouldn’t have any secret? You can’t have a private conversation in the White House now about politics?

BOLLING: We gotta go – NO, not when someone’s dead Juan! Not when three hundred Mexicans…

WILLIAMS: We know how the guy died!

BOLLING: …are dead at the hands of the same guns.

WILLIAMS: Hey people die in war! People died…

BOLLING: Don’t you care about the three hundred Mexicans that died from the guns the guns that were traced back to Fast and Furious?

WILLIAMS: I care about human life. But I’m telling you people die. And you know what? We know the facts of Fast and Furious. We know how he died![/blockquote]Video included (http://www.therightscoop.com/juan-williams-shills-for-holder-over-brian-terrys-death-people-die/)


And via AoSHQ (http://ace.mu.nu/)

Afterburner with Bill Whittle: Follow the Ideology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFIpoL3jrfo#ws)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on June 23, 2012, 10:47:41 AM
Obama must invoke executive privilege.......because if it all comes to the surface, it will be exactly what we think. The DOJ was being used for political gain and programs such as this were used, not to protect America, but to gain politically.

When these asswipes meet behind closed doors, the thought of repercussions of policy are not considered. It is about their power and it is worth a few casualties.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 23, 2012, 12:16:32 PM
Obama must invoke executive privilege.......because if it all comes to the surface, it will be exactly what we think. The DOJ was being used for political gain and programs such as this were used, not to protect America, but to gain politically.

When these asswipes meet behind closed doors, the thought of repercussions of policy are not considered. It is about their power and it is worth a few casualties.

I'm not swiping at you, Don, but calling what was done with F&F "politics" is to marginalize the egregiousness of the intent and outcome of the plot. 

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 23, 2012, 12:20:25 PM
I shouldn't be surprised at Juan Williams commitment to defending the indefensible, but sometimes I still am.

He got a highly public first-hand taste of the viciousness of the Left turned against him when he dared stray from the orthodoxy, and one would think that might cause a few light bulbs to flicker, and begin to raise a few questions about core beliefs, alliances, and assumptions.

But no, not Juan. He's as willing as ever to defend the indefensible - as long as its not being directed at him.

Useful idiot personified.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on June 23, 2012, 12:33:41 PM
I, too, find it hard to believe that Juan is really this stupid. I suspect that he is well compensated for being the opposing view regardless of how ridiculous it is and how stupid he has to appear defending it.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 23, 2012, 12:45:09 PM
I, too, find it hard to believe that Juan is really this stupid. I suspect that he is well compensated for being the opposing view regardless of how ridiculous it is and how stupid he has to appear defending it.

I expect that in time it would carry over into the rest of one's life and corrode one's soul, to be paid to repeatedly lie and distort.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on June 23, 2012, 12:55:12 PM
I, too, find it hard to believe that Juan is really this stupid. I suspect that he is well compensated for being the opposing view regardless of how ridiculous it is and how stupid he has to appear defending it.

I expect that in time it would carry over into the rest of one's life and corrode one's soul, to be paid to repeatedly lie and distort.

Likely true.

They pay people a lot to work in sewers, too, and it's said that the smell doesn't quite come off.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 23, 2012, 01:11:03 PM
Liberals don't have souls.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Sectionhand on June 23, 2012, 02:33:49 PM
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What a load of crap!  Nobody is harder on The Butthead than I am, and even I admit he did nothing to break any law, and this bloviating botox bimbo knows it too!  The Buttheads sins are political and against conservative principles, period.  Nasty Pelosi better think about arresting her mouth before she ends up in the capitol prison she so earnestly admires!

Lying tart!

Proof she was lying, Congress never voted on a Contempt of Congress charge against Rove, so she was powerless to attempt an arrest.

Pelosi is intellectually immoral .
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: robins111 on June 23, 2012, 03:13:09 PM
Bill Whittle did an wonderful job of skewering almost everyone involved in this travesty..
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 23, 2012, 06:46:43 PM
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What a load of crap!  Nobody is harder on The Butthead than I am, and even I admit he did nothing to break any law, and this bloviating botox bimbo knows it too!  The Buttheads sins are political and against conservative principles, period.  Nasty Pelosi better think about arresting her mouth before she ends up in the capitol prison she so earnestly admires!

Lying tart!

Proof she was lying, Congress never voted on a Contempt of Congress charge against Rove, so she was powerless to attempt an arrest.

Pelosi is intellectually immoral .

 That stone faced tram is about as low a human being as one can get.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 23, 2012, 07:00:32 PM
I, too, find it hard to believe that Juan is really this stupid. I suspect that he is well compensated for being the opposing view regardless of how ridiculous it is and how stupid he has to appear defending it.

One couldn't be an Uncle Tom because he's part of the Plantation hierarchy so he must also be a prostitute by avocation.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 24, 2012, 06:00:59 AM
The problem with Juan is the problem with all liberals.  No sense of or ability for introspection.  Even logically connecting the dots.  Juan went off that reservation and the left literally wanted him destroyed, to seek psychiatric help.  They just weren't pissed, they went far beyond that due to his being a heretic to their religion.  Now when 'conservatives' disagree with ol' Juan, nobody wants to see him destroyed.  See him shut up?  Quite possibly.  But we do not, as claimed, have the evil in us let loose by the ideology of progressivism or communism or statism or fascism or any other kind of -ism.  The lefties are good at PR, at corrupting the language.  By using focus group approved words and phrases, they have controlled the debate for so long they think the debate is over.  (Witness the whole F&F being ignored by the alphabet media because it just isn't a nice story to tell about Sir Golfsalot and might hurt his genius image.)

The problem with discussions of F&F always refer to it as botched, as somehow a worthy investigation gone wrong.  It wasn't.

This conspiracy to subvert our laws and to subvert the Mexican government through the arming of their drug cartels to put 'truth' to the '90% of the guns involved in Mexican crime are from the southwest US' meme, and further to erode if not outright remove 'for the good of the world' our Second Amendment constitutional rights, is a plot worthy of any political/spy thriller and the pixels it's typed on.  With literally everything this Administration has done, including the now infamous EP invoked to cover up this whole criminal enterprise (to me it left conspiracy and went to criminal enterprise when all those guns started killing hundreds of Mexicans and the two US agents).  Those that cannot see this obvious connection between a government run operation which sold guns to straw purchasers with warning from FFLicensees who were then basically threatened into selling them, stating the dire consequences that would result due to crossing the ATFE, all with the progressive agenda of gun control by hook or by gun grabbing crook are so intellectually dishonest.  But we knew that.  Nothing would convince a Juan of the evil of this Administration.  Even adding on that conversation Owebama had with Sarah Brady about gun control telling her the Administration was with her in pushing for gun control, that they were working on it but that they had to do it under the radar.  Nothing, and I mean nothing, would allow these libtards to connect the dots.  And yet these morons serve on juries.

There is a reason the progressives hate the Founding Fathers, the old dead white guys.  There is a reason Owebama has never compared himself to Madison or Jefferson.  They were political thinkers who worried over the perpetual threat of government power, fearing the nightmare scenario where a government rules by whim and fiat.  Everything they did with our Constitution was designed to prevent just such a catastrophe, and why it has been subverted at every opportunity by the power hungry.  Once our Constitution becomes just another piece of paper to be altered willy-nilly, we take another step down the road to serfdom.

"Firearm (http://cap-n-ball.com/fathers.htm)s stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." ~ George Washington

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Because,

"The greatest danger to American freedom is a government that ignores the Constitution." ~ Thomas Jefferson

So no, no Constitutional scholar is our Barry.

And finally (http://geekpolitics.com/101-of-the-best-gun-quotes-ever/),

”A woman who demands further gun control legislation is like a chicken who roots for Colonel Sanders.” ~ Larry Elder
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 07:05:14 AM
Bill Whittle did an wonderful job of skewering almost everyone involved in this travesty..

HotAir has several threads on this, one has put up Bills video. 

Del has been commenting on a lot of posts, nailing libiots as usual.  All the threads are well worth going through.

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 07:06:34 AM
Darn good post Rick!   ::clapping::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: ToddF on June 25, 2012, 08:26:36 AM
Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://congressmantomtancredo.com/breaking-new-evidence-shows-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker/)

This is a sitting Representative making this accusation.  If it's true it will explain our stuttering crook going Full Nixon.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 25, 2012, 08:55:12 AM
Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://congressmantomtancredo.com/breaking-new-evidence-shows-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker/)

This is a sitting Representative making this accusation.  If it's true it will explain our stuttering crook going Full Nixon.

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[blockquote]...My sources say that this battle of the “statistics” was taken very seriously by all players — the White House, State and Justice. Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players? If some weapons from the American civilian market were making it to Mexico into the hand of drug gang killers that was bad enough. What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No....the focus on the 90 percent meme was certainly not designed to be a measure of how we were winning the war against arming the cartels, but rather by what overwhelming standard we were LOSING. Why? Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”[/blockquote]

Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air–90%–which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels. And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.

Glad someone is finally saying exactly what we've known all along.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 25, 2012, 09:40:31 AM
Glad someone is finally saying exactly what we've known all along.

Exactly. At least they're FINALLY saying something...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 09:52:21 AM
Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://congressmantomtancredo.com/breaking-new-evidence-shows-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker/)

This is a sitting Representative making this accusation.  If it's true it will explain our stuttering crook going Full Nixon.

Quote
[blockquote]...My sources say that this battle of the “statistics” was taken very seriously by all players — the White House, State and Justice. Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players? If some weapons from the American civilian market were making it to Mexico into the hand of drug gang killers that was bad enough. What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No....the focus on the 90 percent meme was certainly not designed to be a measure of how we were winning the war against arming the cartels, but rather by what overwhelming standard we were LOSING. Why? Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”[/blockquote]

Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air–90%–which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels. And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.

Glad someone is finally saying exactly what we've known all along.

Sharpen the knives!   ::bustamove::


 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 25, 2012, 11:23:48 AM

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The sources also express dismay that the Issa committee is apparently restricting itself to the Department of Justice and not venturing further afield.


Disagreement here,  Issa scores at the highest level then he will catch her on the way down.  Get the biggest fish first.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 25, 2012, 11:26:16 AM
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And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.

The State Department must give permission for arms "trading" with another country.  So, she either lied her ass off when she said she knew nothing, or the DOJ violated yet another law by doing an end-run around State.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 11:34:19 AM
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And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.

The State Department must give permission for arms "trading" with another country.  So, she either lied her ass off when she said she knew nothing, or the DOJ violated yet another law by doing an end-run around State.

Yup!

Use the other fish to smoke out the bigger fish!

More flames!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 25, 2012, 12:55:45 PM
Yes, in fact I remember Hillary kickstarting this narrative before F&F even came to light.  Wasn't it an interview with a foreign news channel, somewhere in Central America, where she first made the allegation that the majority of the drug cartel weapons were being traced to the USA?  Then the Mexican president made a big to-do about how the US Congress needed to re-enact the AWB.  There was ideological collusion going on from the beginning.  And where reality refused to cooperate, they just decided to manufacture a new reality, knowing they'd have the stenographer media there to help sell it.  This is exactly how they've long operated with other issues, the Democrat-Media Complex.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 01:11:54 PM
Yes, in fact I remember Hillary kickstarting this narrative before F&F even came to light.  Wasn't it an interview with a foreign news channel, somewhere in Central America, where she first made the allegation that the majority of the drug cartel weapons were being traced to the USA?  Then the Mexican president made a big to-do about how the US Congress needed to re-enact the AWB.  There was ideological collusion going on from the beginning.  And where reality refused to cooperate, they just decided to manufacture a new reality, knowing they'd have the stenographer media there to help sell it.  This is exactly how they've long operated with other issues, the Democrat-Media Complex.

Yup.  If dragging F&F into the light helps bring down the tyrannical Obama Regime that is a plus, if it helps to put a knock on the Democrat-Media Complex as awhole, so much the better!

Time to step on all their necks!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on June 25, 2012, 01:12:54 PM
Yes, in fact I remember Hillary kickstarting this narrative before F&F even came to light.  Wasn't it an interview with a foreign news channel, somewhere in Central America, where she first made the allegation that the majority of the drug cartel weapons were being traced to the USA?  Then the Mexican president made a big to-do about how the US Congress needed to re-enact the AWB.  There was ideological collusion going on from the beginning.  And where reality refused to cooperate, they just decided to manufacture a new reality, knowing they'd have the stenographer media there to help sell it.  This is exactly how they've long operated with other issues, the Democrat-Media Complex.

And agents died....

I'm sure in obama circles this is a small price to pay when bending the narrative to your "idol"ogical thinking.

These people havent evolved. They are still pond scum.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 25, 2012, 02:44:15 PM
What some people still can't wrap their heads around is the idea that the deaths of these agents, and the civilians in Mexico, weren't simply acceptable collateral damage, no no no, it was in fact the goal of the operation.  Either proposition is sick, but the latter one doubly so.  They wanted death and gore so they could sit back and point sanctimonious fingers at 2nd Amendment defenders.  It was all a deliberate effort to undermine the US Constitution, you know, the document they made quaint little oaths to defend.  In other words, it's treasonous dereliction of duty.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2012, 02:49:32 PM
Yup.  Makes one want to dispense with this phony war and get right down to rat-killin', and there be a lot of damned rats...never so many as connected to this regime and infesting all levels of the Democrat-Media Complex.

If stuff like this keeps getting swept down the memory hole, if the Lefts agenda is not defeated, if our elected leaders fail to rollback tyranny and prosecute treason...well, we are getting closer to a shootin' war with each passing minute...I don't know how much crap others can take, my belly doesn't have any room left...

 ;)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2012, 08:02:39 AM
Contempt vote schedule for Thursday.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/eric-holder-fast-and-furious-contempt-vote-to-be-held-thursday/2012/06/25/gJQAefHY2V_blog.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/post/eric-holder-fast-and-furious-contempt-vote-to-be-held-thursday/2012/06/25/gJQAefHY2V_blog.html)

Weak-kneed Pubbies better not puss out, they fail to pass this, they might as well all resign.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 26, 2012, 10:51:30 AM


 (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/26/issa-to-obama-so-the-white-house-is-involved-in-fast-and-furious-then/[/quote)
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In the letter, Issa tells Obama that the assertion means one of two things: either the highest levels of the White House were involved in the effort to mislead Congress on OF&F, or Obama is deliberately obstructing the investigation:

    “Your privilege assertion means one of two things,” Issa wrote to the president in a letter dated June 25. “Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”

    Issa said Obama’s assertion of executive privilege “raised the question” about the veracity of how the “White House has steadfastly maintained that it has not had any role in advising the department with respect to the congressional investigation.”

Keep the pressure up Issa!  ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2012, 11:44:58 AM


 (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/06/26/issa-to-obama-so-the-white-house-is-involved-in-fast-and-furious-then/[/quote)
Quote
In the letter, Issa tells Obama that the assertion means one of two things: either the highest levels of the White House were involved in the effort to mislead Congress on OF&F, or Obama is deliberately obstructing the investigation:

    “Your privilege assertion means one of two things,” Issa wrote to the president in a letter dated June 25. “Either you or your most senior advisors were involved in managing Operation Fast & Furious and the fallout from it, including the false February 4, 2011 letter provided by the attorney general to the committee, or, you are asserting a presidential power that you know to be unjustified solely for the purpose of further obstructing a congressional investigation.”

    Issa said Obama’s assertion of executive privilege “raised the question” about the veracity of how the “White House has steadfastly maintained that it has not had any role in advising the department with respect to the congressional investigation.”

Keep the pressure up Issa!  ::thumbsup::

Translation - One dirtbag lying POS or many, who cares, you suck and you're going down.

Members ought to realize this before voting Thursday.  Because in a sane world populated with people of good character there should not be ONE VOTE against contempt!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 26, 2012, 03:52:12 PM
What some people still can't wrap their heads around is the idea that the deaths of these agents, and the civilians in Mexico, weren't simply acceptable collateral damage, no no no, it was in fact the goal of the operation.  Either proposition is sick, but the latter one doubly so.  They wanted death and gore so they could sit back and point sanctimonious fingers at 2nd Amendment defenders.  It was all a deliberate effort to undermine the US Constitution, you know, the document they made quaint little oaths to defend.  In other words, it's treasonous dereliction of duty.

Very good point.  It's also why I get tired of it being referred to as 'botched'.  The only thing botched about the operation was an American Border Patrol Agent was killed and the Administration's fingerprints are all over that weapon.

This really is the crux of the scandal, people being able to wrap their heads around the nightmare of an overly cynical progressive Administration looking to create death and mayhem in Mexico by selling guns ultimately to cartels without the Mexican Government's knowledge or permission all to further erode the gun rights of Americans here.  Talk about going rogue.

Like I said above, it really is the stuff one would find in the plot of a popular political mystery thriller.  But maybe that's the extent of Owebama's knowledge of political leadership, of political power -- novels.  Most likely watched reruns of The West Wing for pointers, too.  And of course, American Idle.

Our brave Sir Golfsalot:  When the going gets tough, you'll find him on the links.  Or holding a campaign rally.  I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on June 26, 2012, 05:20:40 PM
 I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.

He's doing 5 or 6 today.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 26, 2012, 05:27:11 PM
 I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.

He's doing 5 or 6 today.

So you're saying those campaign rallies are more like crack or heroin?  Figures.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2012, 08:19:28 PM
Once a   ::pimp::  always a   ::pimp::  !

Time to give the   ::pimp::  the   ::asskicking::  !
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on June 26, 2012, 09:48:00 PM
I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.

He's doing 5 or 6 today.

So you're saying those campaign rallies are more like crack or heroin?  Figures.

Yea, he's a malignant narcissist - what else would anyone expect him to do to get his jollies?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 26, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.

He's doing 5 or 6 today.

So you're saying those campaign rallies are more like crack or heroin?  Figures.

Yea, he's a malignant narcissist - what else would anyone expect him to do to get his jollies?

Exactly.  He didn't really want the job -- no guts -- he just wanted the glory.  And the perks.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on June 27, 2012, 12:32:52 AM
I guess one could say that for an Owebama under stress, a campaign rally is comfort food.

He's doing 5 or 6 today.

So you're saying those campaign rallies are more like crack or heroin?  Figures.

Yea, he's a malignant narcissist - what else would anyone expect him to do to get his jollies?

Exactly.  He didn't really want the job -- no guts -- he just wanted the glory.  And the perks.

And the worshipful adoration of his subjects.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: BMG on June 28, 2012, 08:13:47 AM
LINK (http://influencealley.nationaljournal.com/2012/06/black-lawmakers-plot-walkout-s.php)

Quote
The Congressional Black Caucus has called a members-only "emergency" meeting on Thursday to plot a "walkout strategy" ahead of the scheduled contempt vote of Attorney General Eric Holder later in the day.

The plans, detailed in an email from the executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus obtained by the Alley, include circulating a letter disapproving of the vote and having lawmakers walk out of the Capitol to hold a press conference during the roll call.

Fleabagging goes national...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on June 28, 2012, 10:46:35 AM
LINK (http://influencealley.nationaljournal.com/2012/06/black-lawmakers-plot-walkout-s.php)

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The Congressional Black Caucus has called a members-only "emergency" meeting on Thursday to plot a "walkout strategy" ahead of the scheduled contempt vote of Attorney General Eric Holder later in the day.

The plans, detailed in an email from the executive director of the Congressional Black Caucus obtained by the Alley, include circulating a letter disapproving of the vote and having lawmakers walk out of the Capitol to hold a press conference during the roll call.

Fleabagging goes national...



  Let them walk out and stay the eff out.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 28, 2012, 03:12:37 PM

They are voting now.  Time remaining:12:21

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on June 28, 2012, 03:26:32 PM
Thanks, CO.

Please keep us posted because we, by all means, certainly need something else to be furious about.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 28, 2012, 03:33:56 PM

Not so fast, they just voted down a motion to send it
back to committee, now they will vote on his contempt.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 28, 2012, 03:43:43 PM

Now, he just said the motion to reconsider has passed then
the mic went dead and they are all shuffling around stepping
and fetching.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 28, 2012, 03:47:19 PM
Bipartisan House Majority Votes to Hold Holder in Criminal Contempt (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/bipartisan-house-majority-votes-hold-holder-criminal-contempt_647954.html)

The House of Representatives voted to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress. The vote was 255 ayes, 67 nays, and 1 present vote.

Seventeen Democrats joined with 238 Republicans to vote for the contempt charges against Holder, while over 100 Democrats did not vote, most of them ceremoniously walking out of the House chamber in protest.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 28, 2012, 03:53:30 PM

WTF, CSPAN has Lungren asking for a vote for subpoena enforcement authority.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on June 28, 2012, 04:00:17 PM
Like we didn't already know Holder is full of contempt.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 28, 2012, 04:33:40 PM

At this moment 244 yea  84 nay, Eric Holder in civil contempt.

As I understand it, this will allow them authority to pursue
Holder without using one of his subcontinents to prosecute
him.

ETA the numbers will change, the time is up but the vote is
not closed.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2012, 06:47:43 AM
Criminal contempt: 255-67-1 with 100 cowards running out.

Civil contempt: 258-95 with the rest being cowards.

And Nasty Pelosi cannot even say slain agent Brian Terry's name properly...

Nasty Proglodyte (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/06/28/nancy-pelosi-botches-brian-terrys-name-while-addressing-congress-hold)

Tay?  Otay...   ::)  What a loser!

And what does the criminal Holder do after being the first sitting cabinet member to be held in contempt of congress?

Yup, he goes to DisneyWorld!

DirtbagHolderAtDisney (http://redalertpolitics.com/2012/06/28/on-day-of-contempt-vote-eric-holder-skips-town-heads-to-disneyworld/)

That presser of his was the most dishonest, most disingenuious and most blatantly ridiculous public display in US AG history!

Boehner should order him put in chains and placed in a pillory...but it'll just get kicked to the DC courts and won't be acted upon until after the election, if there is an election...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: robins111 on June 29, 2012, 07:02:23 AM
I was watching this event with great interest.  One thing that struck me was the 'New Black Panthers' decided they were gonna go all nutters if With-holder got hung with a contempt..   like always, they turned into pussies..         ::popcorn::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on June 29, 2012, 02:15:43 PM
Hat tip: Small Dead Animals

Quote
Now, the other shoe (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/issa-puts-wiretap-details-congressional-record_647986.html).

In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.


http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/020606.html (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/020606.html)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on June 29, 2012, 07:02:12 PM
yep, heard about this.

Perhaps Holder and Obama are about to be Breitbarted.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 29, 2012, 07:31:23 PM


Breitbarted, what a sweet thought.
                                                   :supercool:

****

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/issa-grassley-release-details-about-fast-and-furious-whistleblower-retaliation-cover-up/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/issa-grassley-release-details-about-fast-and-furious-whistleblower-retaliation-cover-up/)


In a Friday letter to the DOJ’s Inspector General Michael Horowitz, Grassley and Issa said they’re now concerned retaliation is much more likely following Thursday’s votes to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in criminal and civil contempt of Congress.

“We just learned that ATF senior management placed two of the main whistleblowers who have testified before Congress about Fast and Furious under the supervision of someone who vowed to retaliate against them,” they wrote before describing how senior political figures have made dangerous threats before.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Sectionhand on June 30, 2012, 03:52:55 AM
Breaking: new evidence shows Hillary a mastermind behind Gunwalker (http://congressmantomtancredo.com/breaking-new-evidence-shows-hillary-a-mastermind-behind-gunwalker/)

This is a sitting Representative making this accusation.  If it's true it will explain our stuttering crook going Full Nixon.

Quote
[blockquote]...My sources say that this battle of the “statistics” was taken very seriously by all players — the White House, State and Justice. Yet, WHY was this game of statistics so important to the players? If some weapons from the American civilian market were making it to Mexico into the hand of drug gang killers that was bad enough. What was the importance of insisting that it was 90 percent, 80 percent, or finally 70 percent? Would such statistics make any difference to the law enforcement tactics necessary to curtail them? No....the focus on the 90 percent meme was certainly not designed to be a measure of how we were winning the war against arming the cartels, but rather by what overwhelming standard we were LOSING. Why? Recall what the whistleblower ATF agents told us right after this scandal broke in the wake of the death of Brian Terry: “ATF source confirms ‘walking’ guns to Mexico to ‘pad’ statistics.”[/blockquote]

Thus, from the beginning the scheme was to pad statistics on U.S. guns in Mexico in order to be in a strengthened position to call for gun bans and strict gun control at a time when it was politically unpopular. Further, the scheme would involve a made-up statistic, out of thin air–90%–which then had to be proved by using civilian gun retailers along the southern border as unsuspecting pawns to walk U.S. guns into Mexico by ATF agents, straw purchasers, and others with connections to Mexican drug cartels. And the evidence points to the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the original Administration officials who was ‘in the loop’ on the scheme from the very beginning.

Glad someone is finally saying exactly what we've known all along.

When you want complete power what do you do ? You burn down the Reichstag , blame some amorphic , non-existant group and in the guise of protecting the general population you declare marshal law .
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on June 30, 2012, 04:44:20 PM

CNS News (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-contributor-who-helped-enact-assault-weapons-ban-ran-fast-and-furious) Obama Donor Who Helped Enact Assault-Weapons Ban Ran Fast & Furious

Dennis K. Burke, who as a lawyer for the Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee in the 1990s was a key player behind the enactment of the 1994 assault-weapons ban, and who then went on to become Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano’s chief of staff, and contributor to Barack Obama’s 2008 presidential primary campaign, and a member of Obama’s transition team focusing on immigration issues, ended up in the Obama administration as the U.S. attorney in Arizona responsible for overseeing Operation Fast and Furious.
 

HT: Weasel (http://weaselzippers.us/2012/06/29/obama-donor-who-helped-enact-assault-weapons-ban-ran-fast-furious/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: robins111 on July 01, 2012, 08:59:19 AM
I was just wondering, based on the recent exposure of the e-mails, and phone taps that essentially prove that With-holder and the rest of that gang were in on this from the start, when will the Vince Foster type depressions kick in and a bunch of people disappearÉ

Second, and more importantly, When you have a Justice Department `refusing` to arrest a criminal because of political reasons, you have allowed a defacto police state to exist.  Be careful gy
uys, your going down a slippery slope.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 01, 2012, 04:55:33 PM

Heh, it's either a slippery pole or a greased pig.

4:50 PM 06/29/2012
By Matthew Boyle
(http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/grassley-politics-in-us-attorneys-holder-decision/)

Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley is pressing Ron Machen, the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, to explain whether political interference has blocked him from prosecuting Attorney General Eric Holder, whom the House of Representatives held in criminal contempt yesterday.

...

...  in a letter to Machen, Grassley wrote Friday that the U.S. attorney doesn’t appear to have personally made the decision not to prosecute. It appears, he wrote, that Holder or some other political figure in the Obama administration made it for him, and that the decision seems to lack even the appearance of “independence.”
...

Link (http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/29/grassley-politics-in-us-attorneys-holder-decision/)


ETA...from the minions:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/google-shopping-censors-all-gun-ammo-accessories-results.html (http://www.prisonplanet.com/google-shopping-censors-all-gun-ammo-accessories-results.html)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2012, 07:59:35 PM
Holder needs to be chained, just get it done, nobody in the Regime will police itself.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 02, 2012, 03:48:51 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/secret-service-shuts-down-fire-eric-holder-protest/article/2501155 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/secret-service-shuts-down-fire-eric-holder-protest/article/2501155)

After discovering a “suspicious package,” the Secret Service ended the protest. “Several agents seemed hostile to our march and seemed anxious for us to leave the area,” Maurice Lewis, a University of California student, told Campus Reform. “The discover[y of] the ‘unidentified package’ came just as the protest began gain traction.”

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 02, 2012, 04:31:24 PM
Wonder (not) where that package came from.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 02, 2012, 04:48:20 PM
Wonder (not) where that package came from.

Hey, look!  A suspicious package!

 ::)

Sad.

They should go back everyday.  See how many stunts they can pull until they are allowed their rights of free speech.

If protesting Bush the MFM would have converged on the site and described a handful of smelly hippie trash as a "huge spontaneous protest" against the evils of W!

This country is dysfunctional in the extreme, arbitrary rights?  Yeah, in turd-world sh*tholes!  The Left has made us one of those sh*tholes!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on July 02, 2012, 07:27:41 PM
Wonder (not) where that package came from.

Hey, look!  A suspicious package!

 ::)

Sad.

They should go back everyday.  See how many stunts they can pull until they are allowed their rights of free speech.

If protesting Bush the MFM would have converged on the site and described a handful of smelly hippie trash as a "huge spontaneous protest" against the evils of W!

This country is dysfunctional in the extreme, arbitrary rights?  Yeah, in turd-world sh*tholes!  The Left has made us one of those sh*tholes!

 ::gaah::


Its probably Holder getting rid of a few more guns.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on July 03, 2012, 08:24:33 AM
Wonder (not) where that package came from.

Hey, look!  A suspicious package!

 ::)

Sad.

They should go back everyday.  See how many stunts they can pull until they are allowed their rights of free speech.

If protesting Bush the MFM would have converged on the site and described a handful of smelly hippie trash as a "huge spontaneous protest" against the evils of W!

This country is dysfunctional in the extreme, arbitrary rights?  Yeah, in turd-world sh*tholes!  The Left has made us one of those sh*tholes!

 ::gaah::
  I beg to differ on that third world shythole comment. We may be being governed like a third world country at this moment in time but we as a nation are far from a third wourld country.And God willing that will get fixed in Nov.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2012, 11:41:34 AM
Wonder (not) where that package came from.

Hey, look!  A suspicious package!

 ::)

Sad.

They should go back everyday.  See how many stunts they can pull until they are allowed their rights of free speech.

If protesting Bush the MFM would have converged on the site and described a handful of smelly hippie trash as a "huge spontaneous protest" against the evils of W!

This country is dysfunctional in the extreme, arbitrary rights?  Yeah, in turd-world sh*tholes!  The Left has made us one of those sh*tholes!

 ::gaah::
  I beg to differ on that third world shythole comment. We may be being governed like a third world country at this moment in time but we as a nation are far from a third wourld country.And God willing that will get fixed in Nov.

Just projecting ahead JF.  Would love to be wrong.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on July 03, 2012, 12:30:47 PM
Let's just say a Third World banana republic is what lies at the end of the Obama rainbow.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 03, 2012, 01:52:58 PM

Link (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/07/sipsey-street-exclusive-mike.html)

    PRESS RELEASE

    3 July 2012

    An ethics complaint against U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder has been filed by David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh with the Office of Bar Counsel, Board on Professional Responsibility of the District of Columbia Court of Appeals. Codrea and Vanderboegh are the two bloggers who first broke the news of the Fast and Furious scandal in December 2010.

    Said Vanderboegh, Eric Holder believes that he will escape serious consequences of the congressional investigations of the Fast and Furious scandal simply by running out the clock on his tenure. We intend this ethics complaint to place him on notice that his lies and malfeasances will follow him until justice is done."

    The particulars of the complaint are included in the letter reproduced below.

        July 2, 2012

        Office of Bar Counsel

        Board on Professional Responsibility

        District of Columbia Court of Appeals

        515 5th Street NW

        Building A, Suite 117

        Washington, DC 20001

        In re: Ethics complaint against member Eric H. Holder, Jr.

        Dear board members,

        This letter serves as notice that a complaint is being filed against one of your members for professional misconduct. A search of your website at http://www.dcbar.org/ (http://www.dcbar.org/) shows Eric H. Holder, Jr., currently Attorney General of the United States, has been an active DC Bar member since he was admitted on January 23, 1980.

        As per your professional standards published as Rule 8.4, “Misconduct,” at http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/rules_of_professional_conduct/amended_rules/rule_eight/rule08_04.cfm, (http://www.dcbar.org/for_lawyers/ethics/legal_ethics/rules_of_professional_conduct/amended_rules/rule_eight/rule08_04.cfm,) “It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to:

           (a) Violate or attempt to violate the Rules of Professional Conduct, knowingly assist or induce another to do so, or do so through the acts of another;

            (b) Commit a criminal act that reflects adversely on the lawyer’s honesty, trustworthiness, or fitness as a lawyer in other respects;

            (c) Engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit, or misrepresentation;
         
            (d) Engage in conduct that seriously interferes with the administration of justice;

            (e) State or imply an ability to influence improperly a government agency or official;

            (f) Knowingly assist a judge or judicial officer in conduct that is a violation of applicable rules of judicial conduct or other law; or

            (g) Seek or threaten to seek criminal charges or disciplinary charges solely to obtain an advantage in a civil matter.”

        It would appear that...  continue (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012/07/sipsey-street-exclusive-mike.html)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 04, 2012, 03:07:16 PM
c,d,&e are no-brainers!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 04, 2012, 10:30:12 PM
More evidence:

The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/03/another-document-shows-possible-fast-and-furious-cover-up/) - In a letter Tuesday, Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley pressed Attorney General Eric Holder for details about a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives memorandum that indicates his Department of Justice may have tried to cover up the gunwalking tactics that were at the heart of Operation Fast and Furious.

Gary Styers, an ATF special agent in the Lubbock, Texas field office, wrote what Grassley described as a “Fast and Furious memorandum” on Feb. 3, 2011. In it, Styers described how two investigators for Grassley’s Senate Judiciary Committee office had contacted him the day before about the Fast and Furious operation.

The memo described a specific operation in which guns were allowed to walk across the Mexican border. Grassley told Holder that “according to ATF personnel, the memorandum was discussed by high level ATF personnel and possibly forwarded to DOJ headquarters on February 3, 2011.”

On Feb. 4 — one day later — Assistant Attorney General Ron Weich signed a letter to Grassley denying that guns were ever allowed to walk, including in Fast and Furious. The DOJ withdrew that letter to Congress nine months later, admitting that the statement was false.

“The possibility that DOJ was aware of this memorandum [the Styers memo] on February 3, 2011, and still sent the erroneous letter to Congress on February 4, 2011, raises more questions about DOJ’s claim that faulty information from department components inadvertently led to the false letter,” Grassley wrote to Holder.

“This was direct, documented information from street level agents in a far better position to know the facts than the senior supervisory personnel whom DOJ claims to have relied upon for information about the allegations.”

Grassley wrote that he wants Holder to disclose the names of DOJ personnel who knew about the memo before Weich’s letter made it to Congress on Feb. 4, 2011. He also said he wants to be sure the department has gathered and preserved all its records related to the memo, and he asked Holder if he would provide those records to Congress.

In February 2011, Grassley’s investigators talked with Styers for more than a half-hour. In his letter to Holder on Tuesday, Grassley wrote that the “conversation centered on the ATF agent’s recollection of how Fast and Furious was executed and his recollection confirmed the allegations my office had heard from other ATF whistleblowers.”

After that conversation, Styers called his boss, Jim Luera, the resident agent in charge of the Lubbock ATF field office. Luera asked him to document what he told Grassley’s lawyers, and he did.

“Special Agent Styers … relayed that one of the operations was a suspected transaction that was to occur at a gas station and detailed agents were asked to cover the transaction,” Styers wrote in the Feb. 3, 2011 memo, describing himself in the third person.

“While positioning to observe the suspects, Special Agent Styers and other detailed agents were told by Special Agent [Hope] McAllister that agents were too close and would burn the operation. Special Agent McAllister told all the agents to leave the immediate area. While the agents were repositioning, the transaction between the suspects took place and the vehicle that took possession of the firearms eventually left the area without agents following it.”

Styers added later in his memo that Grassley’s investigators asked him “what he felt was incorrect about the way the Fast and Furious case was conducted.”

“Special Agent Styers explained that first and foremost, it is unheard of to have an active wiretap investigation without full time dedicated surveillance units on the ground,” he wrote. “Special Agent Styers relayed that no other agents in the group were assigned to surveillance on the Fast and Furious case. Special Agent Styers said that other agencies or task force officers may have been used to conduct surveillance and respond to calls of FFLs [federal firearms licensees], but it seemed that either the case agent or group supervisor would poll the office for agents who were available to respond at short notice.”

“Secondly, Special Agent Styers said that it appeared odd to have a majority of ATF Agents working on a wiretap investigation who had never worked such a case.”


NEXT: Someone inside DOJ ‘suppressed’ the idea of convening a panel on Styers’ memo (http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/03/another-document-shows-possible-fast-and-furious-cover-up/2)


Read Grassley’s letter to Holder, plus the Styers memo (http://www.scribd.com/doc/99064817/2012-07-03-Grassley-Letter-to-Holder-With-Styers-Memo)


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 05, 2012, 11:41:53 AM
Stinks ot high heaven.  Where is this McAllister now?  I would like to ask him a few specific questions!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 08, 2012, 02:26:19 PM
This news is  heartening. For the longest time it appeared EH was picking and choosing which border state to offend now we know better, he's attacked them all.  He's attacked them all except his beloved CA which is to be expected.

[blockquote]
Terri Reese Released on Bail!

(25 February) Still Awaiting details, but the judge granted bail last night and family members were on their way to pick her up this morning.  Bail was expected to be $2 million with a bond of $200,000.  Those numbers would mean that family and friends would be stretched to the limit to secure the bond, and this reduces the possibility of finding the money necessary if any of the other Reeses are ever granted bail, but for now the good news is that Terri is out of jail for the first time in almost 6 months.

We'll keep you posted as we learn anything new.

The Reese Family Railroad
Civilians targeted while gunwalkers walk

          (17 February) The investigation into the ATF/DOJ Gunwalker scandal code-named Fast & Furious has passed the one-year mark.  During that time Congressional investigators have put barely a chip in the stone wall established by Eric Holder and his Justice Department.  So far, fewer than 20 percent of the documents requested by Congressional investigators have been produced by the DOJ.  There have been a couple of resignations and a few reassignments, and one Justice Department official has refused to testify on Fifth Amendment grounds, but so far there hasn't been the slightest indication that anyone involved is going to spend a single day in jail.

In contrast, a family in New Mexico has languished in jail for almost six months.  They have been denied bail, their assets have been seized, and threatened with civil forfeiture.  They have yet to be convicted of anything.  

I’ve written previously of Rick Reese, his wife Terri, and their two sons, Ryin and Remington.  They were arrested without incident last August in Las Cruces, New Mexico on charges that they had knowingly sold guns and ammunition to smuggled to Mexican drug cartels.  While I don’t personally know the Reese family, I have spoken with a number of people who do.  The Reeses are by all accounts, well respected and liked within the Deming/Las Cruces area where they had lived for over 20 years, running a successful gun store for the past 17.  Rick Reese had planned to retire from the business and close the store at the end of 2011 in order to make a run for sheriff of Luna County.  Son Ryin was in the process of opening a store of his own in Las Cruces.  The family was asked to come down to the ATF offices to discuss Ryin’s application for a Federal Firearms License – where they were arrested.  Requests for bail have, so far, been denied on the grounds that they are flight risks and a threat to the community.  The government has also announced their intent to move forward with a civil forfeiture hearing to claim virtually everything the family owns as “ill-gotten gains.”

Prosecutors claim that denying bail to the Reeses follows a precedent set in a “similar” recent case in Columbus, New Mexico.  In that case, the mayor and other prominent citizens – all Mexican-Americans with close ties to Mexico – were actively working directly with Mexican drug gangs in a trafficking scheme.  Those defendants were held without bail as flight risks.  The Reeses are accused of, at worst, selling to questionable buyers and have no personal or family connections with Mexico.

Terri Reese recently had a new bail hearing in which prosecutors showed a video of an informant purchasing ammunition.  At the close of the sale Terri tore a mailing label off of a box with a comment about not wanting it to be traced back to them.  The prosecutor insisted that this was proof that Terri knew the ammo was destined for Mexico.  Terri’s lawyer explained that store labels on trash left at informal shooting areas had led to friction with local property owners.  He also pointed out that Terri had called ATF about a woman she suspected might be making straw purchases.  She was told they would look into it and that she should carry on as normal.  The woman turned out to be a government informant.  Sales to that informant constitute the core charges against Terri Reese.  As of press time, we are still awaiting a bail decision from the judge.

Meanwhile Eric Holder again testified before the House Government Reform Committee investigating the Fast & Furious fiasco in which government agents instructed gun dealers to sell thousands of firearms to suspected gun traffickers.  We now know that there was never any plan or attempt made to track or follow the guns and that Washington was actively seeking numbers from those sales to bolster support for a rule requiring dealers to report sales of multiple semi-auto long guns.  Several federal agencies, including the Drug Enforcement Agency and the FBI have admitted knowing about the tactics and being advised by DOJ to leave it alone.  The inter-agency cooperation clearly indicates very high-level involvement in keeping the Gunwalking scheme going, yet no one in a position of authority at the DOJ admits to authorizing the operation which has contributed to hundreds of murders – including that of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

The callous indifference to human life, Constitutional liberties, and the lying and stonewalling from ATF and the DOJ are indications of serious corruption within those agencies.  It all calls for an immediate and thorough investigation by an independent office with the authority to access every document and every witness.  This investigation must be taken out of the political realm and those responsible brought to justice.

The comparison between the way the Reese family has been treated for supposedly selling some 16 guns, and how federal agents and bureaucrats are being given a pass on “walking” close to 2000, is chilling.  If the Reeses are guilty that fact should be proven in court – before the forfeiture trial – and they should be released on bail in the meantime as guaranteed in the Constitution.  The same goes for those responsible for Fast & Furious.  The truth must be disclosed and everyone must be held accountable for their actions.

REESE DEFENSE FUND
ATTENTION Patricia Arias
First Savings Bank
520 South Gold
Deming, NM 88030


Permission to reprint or post this article in its entirety is hereby granted provided this credit and link is included.    Text is available at www.FirearmsCoalition.org (http://www.FirearmsCoalition.org).    To receive The Firearms Coalition’s bi-monthly newsletter, The Knox Hard Corps Report, write to PO Box 1761, Buckeye, AZ  85326.  Copyright © 2011 Neal Knox Associates – The most trusted name in the rights movement.
[/blockquote]

                                                                                                                                                                                 14135


EXCLUSIVE: A Fixed Fight (http://www.gunsmagazine.com/exclusive-a-fixed-fight/)

The case against a New Mexico gun dealer and his family, arrested in August, 2011, may not be what the government has led everyone to believe. Charges in a 30-count indictment for gun smuggling, money laundering and false statements looked bad against Rick Reese, his wife Terri, and sons Ryin and Remington, particularly as they resulted from a 7-month investigation by Homeland Security Investigations and ATF. Seized were their inventory, and through asset forfeiture, their home and properties, money, valuables, vehicles…

Bail was denied—it took Terri until March of this year to secure her release, while her husband and sons remain incarcerated. Of note, the court would not allow the family to be represented by one attorney, saying that would make it difficult for one family member to turn on the others. What this guaranteed was driving up legal costs for an impoverished defense, while the government’s resources were limitless.

But the Reese family did not break or turn on each other. They steadfastly maintained their innocence. And things that didn’t fit began to emerge, such as Rick Reese employing retired and off-duty officers in his store, his large law enforcement clientele, his leasing a shooting range to their agencies, and his plans to run for sheriff as, per a family spokesperson, a “Constitutionalist [who] wanted to restore integrity to the department.”

A hearing was held in June, where attorneys asked for conspiracy charges to be dismissed, and some interesting facts came to light shared by a family friend who took notes. For instance, we learned that the entire investigation began “when Terri Reese contacted the Luna County Sheriff’s Office to report suspicious activity—a person who might be a straw purchaser.”

We learned of incidents where it was a government agent using a phony ID and making false statements on the forms, not the ostensible straw purchaser, and that the FBI approved the sales. We learned the family talking out of earshot—so they could not possibly have been overheard—was used as evidence of “conspiracy.”

We learned that “the government did not produce any evidence of under the table cash sales.” Additionally, “the lead investigator admitted that all [sales tax and income taxes were] paid,” and “the government acknowledged that all guns…were logged in properly, and properly logged out on sale. Except for one, where a couple of numbers were erroneously transposed.”

We learned that “the government’s cooperating witness [a cartel drug smuggler who turned informant] spoke very poor English,” and as the Reese family did not speak Spanish, the government provided an undercover agent to coach the purchases. Further, statements made on tape alleged to have been made by the defendants were actually made by an agent, and the transcriber got the attribution wrong.

At this writing, jury selection is still a few weeks away and what they will ultimately decide is unknown. But it sure looks like these people aren’t getting a fair fight. And that should make us wonder what sort of fight the rest of us could expect were we to ever find ourselves under suspicion.

By David Codrea


Get More Rights Watch (http://www.gunsmagazine.com/category/rights-watch/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 08, 2012, 08:10:48 PM
Often I wonder if I still live in "America".

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 09, 2012, 08:14:14 PM
More stunning incompetence on display!  Sell a bunch of real weapons to really bad actors and then defend yourself first with bean bags?

You cannot make this sh*t up fast enough!

Ms. Terry is going to win an immense settlement check.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/white-house-admits-brian-terry-border-agents-fired-beanbags-not-bullets-during-cartel-shootout/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/07/white-house-admits-brian-terry-border-agents-fired-beanbags-not-bullets-during-cartel-shootout/)

This entire regime is rife with traitorous scum!  And we still pretend to play softball with these thugs?

WTF?   ::whatgives::   ::cussing::   ::angry::   ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2012, 11:45:37 AM
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/will-this-new-fast-and-furious-revelation-force-holder-to-resign-take-our-poll/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/will-this-new-fast-and-furious-revelation-force-holder-to-resign-take-our-poll/)

Is it just me or does it seem like all we did was make Obama & Holder's jobs easier by telling them who the scapegoats are?

If we don't get Holder in manacles then really, what's the fricken point?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on July 31, 2012, 11:47:54 AM

If we don't get Holder in manacles then really, what's the fricken point?

I agree. Some days it seems as if the Republican effort re; F&F is to provide the Kabuki theater necessary to allow Holder to escape accountability.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on July 31, 2012, 01:16:24 PM

If we don't get Holder in manacles then really, what's the fricken point?

I agree. Some days it seems as if the Republican effort re; F&F is to provide the Kabuki theater necessary to allow Holder to escape accountability.

 ::outrage::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on July 31, 2012, 09:57:16 PM

As I heard it, There are three reports and this was the first one.
The next report will be on Holder's subordinates and the third
report will be on Holder.  I think some dominoes are starting to
teeter.  In other words, expectations are far some one of these
lower echelon guys to get a wet leg and cop a plea.  If that
happens; Katy bar the door.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2012, 06:54:14 AM
Yeah, when was the last time a lower ranking proglodyte ratted out a more senior one?  I can't remember any high profile ones since Watergate...if that is their hope they are blowing smoke up their own skirts!

I swear, there ought to be a Star Chamber, something like CURE from The Destroyer, to deal with this scum!  The political and judicial systems are corrupt and dysfunctional and they are incapable of doing what should be done...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2012, 10:01:08 PM
Issa lawsuit plans in motion.

http://www.rollcall.com/news/darrell_issa_to_sue_eric_holder_mondayby_jonathan_strong-216844-1.html?pos=hln (http://www.rollcall.com/news/darrell_issa_to_sue_eric_holder_mondayby_jonathan_strong-216844-1.html?pos=hln)

Just do it!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 12, 2012, 10:46:14 PM

Told a libber that today and he just laughed and laughed.
Maybe when Ryan starts whipping the House we'll get a
little law and order around here.
                                              ::praying::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 27, 2012, 06:28:09 PM

CBS News: (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57501237-10391695/exclusive-fast-and-furious-ig-report-slams-atf-phoenix-personnel/) The Inspector General (IG) draft report on Fast and Furious heaps blame on the Phoenix-based staff of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) according to those familiar with the document.

Those familiar with the contents say ...


Oh, Mr. President, your day will come.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on August 27, 2012, 06:41:53 PM

CBS News: (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57501237-10391695/exclusive-fast-and-furious-ig-report-slams-atf-phoenix-personnel/) The Inspector General (IG) draft report on Fast and Furious heaps blame on the Phoenix-based staff of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) according to those familiar with the document.

Those familiar with the contents say ...


Oh, Mr. President, your day will come.





  Not soon enough!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on August 27, 2012, 07:42:16 PM
We knew low-level folks would get the blame from Mr.CanDoNoWrong.  Yeah, their day is coming!
Title: Mexico Arrests Suspect in Fast and Furious Killing
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 08, 2012, 11:55:44 AM
This is good news, but how in the godsdamn hell are the American people ever, ever, ever supposed to make decisions about political life when the media is so shamelessly and blatantly willing to lie against one side and for another? To say I cannot believe the irresponsibility of this media would be a lie. I can believe it, and I am dismayed.

Quote
Mexico Arrests Suspect in Fast and Furious Killing (http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/mexico-arrests-suspect-fast-furious-killing-17188407#.UEq8867zx9l)

Mexican federal police announced Friday that they have arrested a suspect in the killing of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, the slaying at the center of the scandal over the botched U.S. gun-smuggling probe known as Operation Fast and Furious.

Jesus Leonel Sanchez Meza is one of the five men charged with killing Terry in December 2010 during a shootout in Arizona near the Mexico border. One is on trial in Arizona and the other three remain fugitives. Sanchez was arrested Thursday in Sonora state.

Two guns found at the scene were bought by a member of a gun-smuggling ring that was being monitored in the Fast and Furious investigation. Critics have knocked U.S. federal authorities for allowing informants to walk away from Phoenix-area gun shops with weapons, rather than immediately arresting suspects.

In Operation Fast and Furious and at least three earlier probes during the administration of President George W. Bush, agents in Arizona employed a risky tactic called gun-walking — allowing low-level "straw" buyers in gun-trafficking networks to leave with loads of weapons purchased at gun shops. The goal was to track the guns to major weapons traffickers and drug cartels in order to bring cases against kingpins who had long eluded prosecution under the prevailing strategy of arresting low-level purchasers of guns who were suspected of buying them for others.

During Operation Fast and Furious, many of the weapons weren't tracked and wound up at crime scenes in Mexico and the U.S., including the Terry shooting...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on September 08, 2012, 12:37:06 PM
The commenters are universally taking the author to the woodshed. I signed up to post this: "Michael Weissenstein: Once again your readers have a better command of the facts than you do. That we come to become informed and have to educate you is just sad."

We'll see if it gets past moderation.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: trapeze on September 08, 2012, 01:34:46 PM
Unless Mexico has arrested Eric Holder...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: warpmine on September 08, 2012, 02:28:59 PM
Unless Mexico has arrested Eric Holder...
If they ask for him, Romney should wave extradition.  ::danceban::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2012, 05:22:26 PM
Unless Mexico has arrested Eric Holder...
If they ask for him, Romney should wave extradition.  ::danceban::

That would be most excellent!   ::bustamove::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 11, 2012, 07:01:55 AM
Wow, I bet y'all are as eager as I am to see what kind of a whitewash scapegoating work of bovine excrement this Department of Injustice report by the Inferior General turns out to be, eh?!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/248545-issa-forced-to-delay-fast-and-furious-hearing (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/248545-issa-forced-to-delay-fast-and-furious-hearing)

This assholes report is to serve one and only one purpose - distract Issa's Committee and send them down as many empty rabbit holes has possible so no final report can come out before election day, period.

Anybody thinking otherwise really has to seek professional medical help immediately and have their head removed...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 19, 2012, 03:08:47 PM
The yahoo headline that made me click on it stated Holder found not responsible.

Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department's internal watchdog on Wednesday faulted the agency for misguided strategies, errors in judgment and management failures during a bungled gun-trafficking probe in Arizona that disregarded public safety and resulted in hundreds of weapons turning up at crime scenes in the U.S. and Mexico.

Two senior officials left the department, one by resignation and one by retirement, upon the report's release.

In the 471-page report, Inspector General Michael Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Operation Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration.

The report did not criticize Attorney General Eric Holder, but said lower-level officials should have briefed him about the investigation much earlier.

The report found no evidence that Holder was informed about the Fast and Furious operation before Jan. 31, 2011, or that the attorney general was told about the much-disputed gun-walking tactic employed by the department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
link (http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-faulted-gun-trafficking-operation-181210695.html)

move along now...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Predator Don on September 19, 2012, 03:13:10 PM
The yahoo headline that made me click on it stated Holder found not responsible.

Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department's internal watchdog on Wednesday faulted the agency for misguided strategies, errors in judgment and management failures during a bungled gun-trafficking probe in Arizona that disregarded public safety and resulted in hundreds of weapons turning up at crime scenes in the U.S. and Mexico.

Two senior officials left the department, one by resignation and one by retirement, upon the report's release.

In the 471-page report, Inspector General Michael Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Operation Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration.

The report did not criticize Attorney General Eric Holder, but said lower-level officials should have briefed him about the investigation much earlier.

The report found no evidence that Holder was informed about the Fast and Furious operation before Jan. 31, 2011, or that the attorney general was told about the much-disputed gun-walking tactic employed by the department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
link (http://news.yahoo.com/justice-dept-faulted-gun-trafficking-operation-181210695.html)

move along now...

What a bunch of crap.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: benb61 on September 19, 2012, 03:30:05 PM
Fox watching the hen house, "what missing chickens, there are no missing chickens".
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on September 19, 2012, 03:35:44 PM
There is no such thing as justice anymore. That died along with the rest of the 1st American Republic. The only chance of it coming back is with a new, 2nd American Republic.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2012, 09:53:36 PM
There is no such thing as justice anymore. That died along with the rest of the 1st American Republic. The only chance of it coming back is with a new, 2nd American Republic.

Yup, told you I did the IG report would be a whitewash faulting only lower level flunkies.  This is the Age of Obama, or more descriptively "the Age of not being held responsible", well, these statists pricks may think they will get away with it, perhaps this will make it more difficult for Issa to move forward with his investigation (no doubt this IG will be called to the Hill), but in the end these bastards cannot escape We the People, it just may take longer is all, and their actions have guaranteed that the mechanism will be by watering the Tree of Liberty once again.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Glock32 on September 19, 2012, 10:06:54 PM
Man's justice is a feeble thing. But Divine justice is omnipotent and all-knowing. All involved will have to answer for the hundreds of deaths they directly contributed to.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2012, 07:19:26 AM
Beyond feeble under the Obama Regime - More not too shocking info on the IG report...White House said f**k YOU to being questioned...

The report on Operation Fast and Furious released today by the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General says a member of the White House National Security staff declined to be interviewed for the inspector general's investigation and that the White House itself did not produce internal documents for the investigation because the White House said it was "beyond the purview" of the inspector general.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-fast-and-furious-report-wh-aide-declined-interview-ig-white-house-did-not-produce (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/doj-fast-and-furious-report-wh-aide-declined-interview-ig-white-house-did-not-produce)

If any random Pubbie did this the impeachment, conviction and removal would be completed before sundown...

 ::angry::   ::cussing::   ::gaah::

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 20, 2012, 01:08:30 PM

Expecting justice was a bit much, `eh?

Whelp, one more thing on the plate for Romney?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2012, 01:59:44 PM
Obama makes Nixon look like a petty crook!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 21, 2012, 11:37:31 AM

So, there was no political will or support to pursue the bastards.  
If this had been John Q. Citizen he'd be in jail.
(http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ig-white-house-made-it-impossible-pursue-lead-fast-and-furious-probe)

At a hearing of the House Government Reform and Oversight Committee on Thursday, Rep. Blake Farenthold (R-Tex.) asked Horowitz, “You noted also in your report that the White House refused to share internal communications with you during your investigation of Fast and Furious. We've noted a connection into the White House through Kevin O'Reilly at the National Security Council.  Do you think the White House’s refusal to share these documents limited the scope of your investigation? Would this committee be well served by pursuing an investigation into that avenue?”

Horowitz answered, “Well, as we noted in the report, and as you know, congressman, we did not get internal communications from the White House and Mr. O’Reilly’s unwillingness to speak to us made it impossible for us to pursue that angle of the case and the question that had been raised."

Farenthold: "So it would probably be worthwhile for us to pursue?"

Horowitz: "Well, certainly we have sought to pursue every lead we could. So, I can tell you, from our standpoint it was a lead we wanted to follow.”

Farenthold came into congress in 2010 on the Tea Party wave from a densely populated Mexican district.  Unlike California they want follow through on this.  
It would also be a political bonus for a freshman. I think Grassley said he wasn't going to let it go either.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2012, 11:46:45 AM
Uhh, yeah...persue with armed Marshalls in tow and a kick-ass now KMA later attitude...just GET IT!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2012, 11:53:24 AM
Oh, did y'all see the latest from the LPOS (Lying Piece Of sh*t)?


“Well, first of all, I think it’s important to understand that the Fast and Furious program was a field-initiated program, begun under the previous administration,” Obama said. “When Eric Holder found out about it, he discontinued it. We assigned an inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued — confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this, that he took prompt action and that the people who did initiate this were held accountable. But, what I think is most important is recognizing that we’ve got a challenge in terms of weapons flowing south, and the strategy that was pursued out of Arizona, obviously, was completely wrongheaded. Those folks who were responsible have been held accountable. The question now is, how do we move forward with a strategy that will actually work?”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/20/obama-slammed-on-fast-and-furious-in-spanish-language-tv-interview-shouldnt-you-fire-eric-holder/#ixzz277kSDPsN (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/20/obama-slammed-on-fast-and-furious-in-spanish-language-tv-interview-shouldnt-you-fire-eric-holder/#ixzz277kSDPsN)

What a gutless lying pig!!!

Fraking Pubbies have got to stop playing nice with this thug!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: LadyVirginia on September 21, 2012, 12:06:20 PM
Quote
“ We assigned an inspector general to do a thorough report that was just issued — confirming that in fact Eric Holder did not know about this,





Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 21, 2012, 12:28:30 PM

More decorations.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2012, 12:34:36 PM

More decorations.


Same decorations, more reasons...   ;)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 21, 2012, 03:21:21 PM


President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program “Begun Under the Previous Administration” (http://riehlworldview.com/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration-abc-news.html)

And that’s via- ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/), not the Weekly Standard.
(http://riehlworldview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/windowslivewritersmokeemifyougotem-12634obama-smoking21.png)
I think Obama is accustomed to getting away with just about anything.
So, he doesn’t expect to be called on it when he lies.


Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: AlanS on September 21, 2012, 05:45:42 PM


President Obama Falsely Claims Fast and Furious Program “Begun Under the Previous Administration” (http://riehlworldview.com/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration-abc-news.html)

And that’s via- ABC News (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/president-obama-falsely-claims-fast-and-furious-program-begun-under-the-previous-administration/), not the Weekly Standard.
(http://riehlworldview.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/windowslivewritersmokeemifyougotem-12634obama-smoking21.png)
I think Obama is accustomed to getting away with just about anything.
So, he doesn’t expect to be called on it when he lies.

If ABC news is reporting it, maybe the chit is fixing to hit the fan. I can only hope....
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on September 21, 2012, 06:40:54 PM
Sorry to rain on an already soggy parade but the only reason abc feels safe to acknowledge this is because they know that the fix is in. Nothing to see here - just go about your miserable little lives.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 22, 2012, 12:36:38 PM
Yeah, but the fix cannot be cemented in without the willingness of the Pubbies to tuck tail and run.  If these thugs get away with it it will be because our team dropped the ball.

Tell me again why I need this team?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2012, 11:24:05 AM
I'm starting to like Univision, they are not letting up!  As opposed to the MFM here that only knows how to roll over for DemonRats!

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/29/video-univisions-bombshell-report-on-fast-furious/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2012/09/29/video-univisions-bombshell-report-on-fast-furious/)

Maybe this will help Congress get off its ass!  Think the reassignment of O'Reilly was timely?

Better bag him before Obama & Holder bury him!

!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Alphabet Soup on September 30, 2012, 11:54:00 AM
The only reason why this isn't the lynch-pin that unraveled the Øbozo reelection campaign is the lack of interest on the part of pubbies - starting with mittens. Never a day - never a moment should have gone by without someone pointing to F&F and asking why aren't people (Witholder) in jail?!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2012, 07:27:02 PM
The ticket is saying it but the MFM doesn't care to give any credence to it...typical Republican extremism and racism ya know...

http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/30/paul-ryan-eric-holder-must-go-over-fast-and-furious/ (http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/30/paul-ryan-eric-holder-must-go-over-fast-and-furious/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 02, 2012, 11:34:25 AM
More Obama Admin "nothing to see here, move along" F&F fallout/carnage...

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-mexican-drug-cartel-boss-arrested-with-fast-and-furious-weapons/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-mexican-drug-cartel-boss-arrested-with-fast-and-furious-weapons/)

And no confirmation of weapon sources at this clash near Brian Terry Station -

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/)

...and the scum responsible got away.

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 05, 2012, 01:01:33 PM
As a sort of sidebar to this scandal and coverup is, this (http://pjmedia.com/blog/agent-was-killed-on-federal-land-where-border-patrol-has-hands-tied/?singlepage=true) is another scandal:

Quote
"Border Patrol Agent Nicholas Ivie was confirmed to have been killed on federal land (see map) where law enforcement access is stymied in favor of environmental protection  ...". 

... Ivie, along with two other agents, responded to a border sensor in the early morning hours Tuesday about five miles into Arizona. Ivie was shot to death and one of the other agents was wounded.

They were stationed out of Naco, where the Border Patrol outpost was recently renamed in honor of another slain agent who worked there: Brian Terry of the “Fast and Furious” case.

... The agents were on horseback, which can navigate the rugged terrain but also comply with the rules against Border Patrol agents using mechanized transportation on wilderness lands. Another option is sending agents out on foot.

Out of the more than 20 million acres of Interior Department and U.S. Forest Service land along the southern border, 4.3 million acres are classified as wilderness areas.

The Center for Biological Diversity has been one of the organizations charging that greater access for the Border Patrol on federal lands would harm the environment.

... much of the damage has been the result of Border Patrol vehicles riding roughshod over wilderness areas,” the center said in a September 2011 statement.

But restricted enforcement on federal lands has meant that drug cartels have freer rein over the corridors — and they’re not exactly environmentally sensitive.

“That’s ludicrous,” Bishop said of the environmentalist blame directed at the Border Patrol. “The bad guys are already using mechanized vehicles.”

While regulations prevent the Border Patrol from constructing any paved or unpaved roads in wilderness lands, cartels have already cut 8,000 miles of off-road tracks into the Arizona border territory. Law enforcement is also prohibited from constructing watch towers or landing aircraft in the wilderness areas, which are marred by piles of trash and waste left by smugglers.

Like this ....

(http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa189/sugarlake/feat-1.jpg)

... a photo I saved from elsewhere as an example.



Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 05, 2012, 03:27:47 PM
"And no confirmation of weapon sources at this clash near Brian Terry Station -

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/)

...and the scum responsible got away."

No confirmation of weapons assailants used.  No confirmation whether agents were armed with pistols, rifles and lethal cartridges for each.  Was there a firefight? Did they return fire at all?  How did the unharmed agent respond?

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 05, 2012, 04:27:36 PM
"And no confirmation of weapon sources at this clash near Brian Terry Station -

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/report-two-border-patrol-agents-shot-in-arizona-one-killed/)

...and the scum responsible got away."

No confirmation of weapons assailants used.  No confirmation whether agents were armed with pistols, rifles and lethal cartridges for each.  Was there a firefight? Did they return fire at all?  How did the unharmed agent respond?



Considering Napolitano's DHS released a policy report instructing agents to run away rather than fight, and if they have to fight are ordered to first fire beanbag projectiles, what do you think?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 05, 2012, 04:37:09 PM

I think I don't understand a person why a person would put himself
in such jeopardy.  It's not love of God and country; they knew/know
the legal and political situation prohibit any effective constraint of
the rampant/flagrant breach of our border.

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pandora on October 05, 2012, 04:40:24 PM
I don't get it either, CO. 

I have no idea what our current military recruitment/re-upping numbers are, but in a sane world, I'd expect to hear about a massive drop.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 06, 2012, 11:55:13 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2012, 12:01:09 PM
Yeah, like I trust the DoJ under this Regime...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 06, 2012, 12:33:19 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/)


   Sure and the attack on our embasy wasn't planned. ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: benb61 on October 06, 2012, 12:42:23 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/)

If the Border Patrol are using non-lethal weapons, how could it have been "Friendly Fire"???
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 06, 2012, 01:40:20 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57527261/fbi-friendly-fire-likely-in-border-shootings/)

If the Border Patrol are using non-lethal weapons, how could it have been "Friendly Fire"???

Maybe he took a beanbag to the temple.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on October 07, 2012, 01:45:17 PM

'Fast and Furious': What are they hiding? (http://www.lvrj.com/opinion/-fast-and-furious-what-are-they-hiding-173016581.html)

This is a good summation which includes:
Gerardo Reyes and Santiago Wills offer an English-language version at http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/fast-furious-scandal-details-emerge-us-government-armed/story?id=17352694#.UHHacdU2RRY (http://abcnews.go.com/ABC_Univision/News/fast-furious-scandal-details-emerge-us-government-armed/story?id=17352694#.UHHacdU2RRY)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 07, 2012, 07:53:19 PM
Any other Administration...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 18, 2012, 06:57:58 PM

By Sharyl Attkisson / CBS News/ December 18, 2012, 12:38 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57559809-10391739/fast-and-furious-gun-found-at-mexican-crime-scene/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57559809-10391739/fast-and-furious-gun-found-at-mexican-crime-scene/) 
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on December 19, 2012, 02:04:16 AM
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/200130_10151218599259620_1532081897_n.jpg)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2012, 07:24:56 AM
Didn't have to wait long, did we?   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on December 20, 2012, 12:35:23 AM

By Sharyl Attkisson /CBS News/ December 19, 2012, 4:03 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh)

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2012, 06:57:04 AM

By Sharyl Attkisson /CBS News/ December 19, 2012, 4:03 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh)



Just more inconsequential blood on Obama's hands, nothing to see here, move along...

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: benb61 on December 20, 2012, 09:35:25 AM

By Sharyl Attkisson /CBS News/ December 19, 2012, 4:03 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-57560107-10391739/atf-agents-personal-weapon-found-at-mexican-beauty-queen-cartel-crime-scene/?tag=socsh)

When do the hangings start?
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2013, 11:35:44 AM
Still stonewalling...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/17/Holder-begs-court-to-indefinitely-delay-group-s-lawsuit-fighting-for-release-of-Obama-s-executive-privilege-Fast-and-Furious-documents)

Not that the MFM gives a damn...being in the Democrat-Media Complex means not having to live by the laws imposed on others!

Scum.

Only one way to deal with scum.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 29, 2013, 03:01:56 PM
I'm not holding my breath, but...


http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_22468427/judges-ruling-could-come-quickly-deming-gun-case (http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_22468427/judges-ruling-could-come-quickly-deming-gun-case)

LAS CRUCES – Federal Judge Robert Brack said he will decide “soon” whether to grant a new trial to three members of the Reese family convicted last summer of making false statements on federal forms required during firearms sales.

Attorneys for the Reeses, Deming area firearms dealers, argued Monday that their clients deserve a new trial because the U.S. Attorney’s Office did not provide the defense with potentially damaging information about a key prosecution witness until after the trial ended.


http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/29/news/decision-on-new-trial-soon-for-deming-gun-dealers.html (http://www.abqjournal.com/main/2013/01/29/news/decision-on-new-trial-soon-for-deming-gun-dealers.html)

“Defense attorneys contend the witness, Luna County sheriff’s detective Allen Batts, might have shaded his testimony to curry favor with federal prosecutors, since he has been the subject of federal investigation for the past decade.”


http://www.lunatpp.org/reese-hearing-motion-for-a-new-trial-2/ (http://www.lunatpp.org/reese-hearing-motion-for-a-new-trial-2/)
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: RickZ on January 30, 2013, 03:49:18 AM
You know, the deck is stacked in favor of the prosecution quite enough thank you and they have no need to lie -- by commission or omission.  Abuse of power doesn't begin to cover it.  With this administration, such mean-spirited and malicious investigations and prosecutions are de rigueur.  Tax the rich!  They need to pay more than their fair share to cover for the indolent fukcs who live off the sweat and labor of others.  (Gee, indolent fukcs living off the sweat and labor of others.  Now where have I heard that before?  Help me out Black History Month!)  Malicious is a synonym for Owebama.  I just hope 'history' is around to record that.  Hope and Change?  Nope and Chains.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2013, 08:49:36 AM
Yup, back to square one, only one way this gets fixed, if a real fixing is what you are after.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 30, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
Think about how doggedly the press and congress went after Reagan and North when they funneled weapons to the Iranians in exchange for hostages and used the money to fund the Nicaraguan rebels - who were on our side. They were trying to do good things and did them the wrong way. The nation wound up with a shamed president, a dozen or so high and mid-level convictions, and a fallen military hero.

People may have wanted to see Reagan's head on a pike, and they didn't get it. But at least congress and the press fulfilled their constitutional duties, and there was some level of justice and closure for the American people.

With this illegitimate rogue regime, there will be no justice until every one of them is rotting worm food.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on January 30, 2013, 10:00:00 AM

IIRC, In the beginning, what Reagan and North were doing was legal and the CommieDems couldn't stand it so the Cdem controlled congress made what Ronnie & Ollie were doing illegal.  Commies been workin' hard a long time.


ETA:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335726/back-sandinista-days-jay-nordlinger (http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335726/back-sandinista-days-jay-nordlinger)

Only months after he was sworn in, Kerry joined Harkin on an infamous trip to Managua, to meet with Comandante Ortega. This was April 1985. The trip, according to an article in Policy Review magazine, was arranged by the Institute for Policy Studies, a hard-Left group. IPS was one of several such groups around Kerry back then. The trip, moreover, occurred a few days before a key vote in Congress on Contra aid — the bill proposed to send $14 million in humanitarian assistance to those anti-Communist rebels.


Subversion in the Senate: Kerry's Communist Constituency (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1261523/posts)


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2751345/posts (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2751345/posts)



(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Avm9q5h-CkI/SQEKxIiiiYI/AAAAAAAAAb0/e9yttVvy_6w/s400/Kerry%2520Harkin%2520Ortega.jpg)
Kerry, Harkin, and Sandanista Manuel Ortega

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2013, 01:09:45 PM
I remember that, they should've all been charged with treason, tried, convicted and shot.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 20, 2013, 01:19:16 PM

Is it possible to resurrect Fast and Furious?  That would make, what, four scandals for Wish in Chief and his team to deal with?


Brietbart (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/20/DOJ-Inspector-General-confirms-US-Attorney-DOJ-headquarters-leaked-documents-to-smear-Fast-and-Furious-whistleblower) - DOJ Leaked Docs to Smear Fast & Furious Whistleblower, Says IG

Inspector General published a new report Monday that confirms former U.S. Attorney for Arizona Dennis Burke leaked a document intended to smear Operation Fast and Furious scandal whistleblower John Dodson.
...
...
In addition to Burke’s involvement in leaking the document, emails the IG uncovered show senior officials at the Department of Justice discussed smearing Dodson.

One of those was *Tracy Schmaler, the Director of the Department’s Office of Public Affairs, who resigned her position at the DOJ after emails uncovered through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request showed that she worked with leftwing advocacy group Media Matters for America to smear whistleblowers and members of Congress and the media who sought to investigate DOJ scandals under Attorney General Eric Holder.


* http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/15/Holder-flack-resigning-after-colluding-with-Media-Matters-to-make-Obama-s-enemies-list (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/15/Holder-flack-resigning-after-colluding-with-Media-Matters-to-make-Obama-s-enemies-list)

worked with Media Matters to smear people...
2010, ...with the George Soros-funded media hit squad...
defame whistleblowers from the New Black Panther Party...
smear former DOJ Civil Rights division attorneys J. Christian Adams and Hans Von Spakovsky...
colluded to smear ...
Rep. Darrell Issa
Fox News’ William LaJeunesse,
Judge Andrew Napolitano,
Megyn Kelly,
Martha MacCallum,
Bill Hemmer,
Bill O’Reilly and
Sean Hannity;
this reporter, Matthew Boyle
Townhall Magazine’s Katie Pavlich;
Breitbart News editor Joel Pollak and writer
Ken Klukowski, among others;
Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips;
National Review’s Andrew C. McCarthy, a former
Assistant U.S. Attorney; and
many other including bloggers who have covered the story from the very beginning.


More (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/02/15/Holder-flack-resigning-after-colluding-with-Media-Matters-to-make-Obama-s-enemies-list) at link.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2013, 02:09:25 PM
Where's there's smoke...there's a racist Republican casting baseless allegations against Duh Furst Blak PrezIdunt!

/
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 01, 2013, 07:53:48 AM
House wins fight with Holder for F&F docs!

A federal judge has rejected Attorney General Eric Holder’s attempt to keep the courts from wading into the “Fast and Furious” documents dispute that led to him being held in contempt by the House last year.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/fast-and-furious-doj-documents-97604.html#ixzz2gTT4t0rI (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/fast-and-furious-doj-documents-97604.html#ixzz2gTT4t0rI)

And what is the Regime doing?  Dragging its ass, of course!

A Justice Department spokesman said officials there were reviewing the decision.

Screw review!  Come on House clowns...send the capitol police over to confiscate them all!!!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: IronDioPriest on October 01, 2013, 09:09:45 AM
This scandal has been dragging on since the beginning of Obama's first term. If the House and other mechanisms of justice intended to see justice through to fruition, it would have been done long before now.

Issa is a tool.
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on October 01, 2013, 11:25:40 AM
Yeah, knowing feckless Pubbies like we do in retrospect it appeared to be foolish proposition expecting any of these tools to stand up to the first black prez...Stymie can commit any high crime or misdomeanor at will, all he risks is a temper-tantrum or a sorta stern letter...

The country has been surrendered to the progressives without a shot being fired...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: John Florida on October 01, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
Any news from Charlesoakwood??
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3530846/Justice-Dept-gives-Congress-documents-Fast-Furious.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3530846/Justice-Dept-gives-Congress-documents-Fast-Furious.html)

4 years later...

And justice is still as elusive as a unicorn...

Real justice will be seen when streetlights are decorated with the rotting bodies of fascists...
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on April 09, 2016, 05:03:21 PM

And justice is still as elusive as a unicorn peaceful Muslim...

Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2017, 07:03:54 AM
Shooter nabbed.

http://iotwreport.com/cartel-member-suspected-of-using-fast-and-furious-gun-in-murder-of-border-patrol-agent-arrested/ (http://iotwreport.com/cartel-member-suspected-of-using-fast-and-furious-gun-in-murder-of-border-patrol-agent-arrested/)

Now, go after the mastermind - Holder!
Title: Re: ATF’s Fast & Furious- Obama’s ‘Weaponsgate’?
Post by: Libertas on June 09, 2017, 08:07:24 AM
Justice Denied.

https://www.oathkeepers.org/without-personal-consequences-oversight-fast-furious-report-brings-no-one-closer-justice/ (https://www.oathkeepers.org/without-personal-consequences-oversight-fast-furious-report-brings-no-one-closer-justice/)

The takeaway?

Evil gets away with evil, everybody else is f**ked.

What a gigantic waste of time!

No Justice, No Peace...right?

Yeah, right....
 ::unknowncomic::