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Topics => The Police State => Topic started by: Libertas on May 19, 2015, 07:29:01 AM

Title: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2015, 07:29:01 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/9-killed-18-injured-192-arrested-after-true-biker-shootout-texas-breastaraunt (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-18/9-killed-18-injured-192-arrested-after-true-biker-shootout-texas-breastaraunt)

Ohhhh, Twin Peaks, yeah I get it now.

PS-Ban restrooms, they invite violence!!!
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on May 19, 2015, 07:50:36 AM
Ohhhh, Twin Peaks, yeah I get it now.

It's the competition for Hooters.

Bike gangs are no different than any other criminal enterprise. It's all about territory, money, and power.

Although I enjoy riding Harley's, I've never had the ambition to join a gang. The vast majority of the members I've seen look to have the IQ of bathwater. That's almost a requirement for the initiation period (called probation) where abuses are dumped on them. The members with an actual IQ that the club can benefit from don't have to go through probation. Plus the intelligent members seem to get to management pretty quick.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on May 20, 2015, 07:50:10 AM
Conspiracy theorists abound with logical questions.

https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/the-waco-police-massacre-did-the-police-just-legally-murder-nine-bikers/ (https://saboteur365.wordpress.com/2015/05/18/the-waco-police-massacre-did-the-police-just-legally-murder-nine-bikers/)
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And here’s the comment raising relevant questions:

    Thanks for the well written article. It’s important to note what the LEOs spokesperson has NOT said thus far. The list of questions unanswered is staggering, and speaks to the level of spin being applied here. Keep in mind that there is an unprecedented level of containment by the Waco PD on the facts so far, despite some well-staged press events. It’s likely those present will not speak out in public either so the truth seems to be the first casualty here.

    So far unasked/ unanswered by LEOs:

    Did the restaurant or surrounding businesses have cameras operating?

    Did the cops have body cams or dash cams operating?

    Did the cops have undercover video or audio operating inside the building or on the patio?

    Was a warrant obtained, if so?

    Were there undercover officers inside the building, inside the MC clubs, inside the bathroom?

    How many rounds/shots did the cops fire, and from what type of firearms?

    How many cops shot their fireams? How many on scene did NOT?

    How many off duty cops were present and fired their firearms?

    How many of the off duty officers present were in plain clothing?

    How many of these plain clothes officers entered the restaurant prior to the incident?

    How many off duty cops were already wearing body armor when they happened to be there?

    How many of the off duty officers happened to have automatic weapons with them that day?

    How many bikers face assault charges? How many of those arrested were found carrying handguns? How many of those were legal? How many of those were illegal?

    How many of the deceased were shot in the back? How many, if any firearms were found near the bodies of the deceased?

    Is there a single firearm that has been traced to a known biker on the scene?

    How many cop cars have bullet holes in them?

    Why were the media kept so far back as to not be able to take pictures of any of the supposed 100 weapons found scattered around, or the items found neat or on the bodies?

    Since when is a wallet chain a weapon?

    How many wings does it take to fly above the bullsh*t here?

    and so on.

    Nine men are dead, and 18 more wounded. Historically this is unprecedented for a single day’s list of casualties. What policy and practices led to this tragedy and when will the public be invited to weigh in on such tactics?

    When do we get the truth? When will there be justice instead of oppression?

    Condolences and respect for all deserving same.

The bikers on the source site are asking all sorts of relevant questions and offering relevant insights.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/05/19/report-of-waco-police-affidavitwarrants-inconsistent-with-initial-public-claims-by-same-police/)
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Additionally, the police originally stated that all gang member gunfire was inside the building, and all the deceased were shot inside the restaurant.

However, a report outlining the 500 page construct of the police affidavit and arrest warrant(s) claims that all events happened outside in the parking lot:

    […] The affidavit goes on to say three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot.

    After the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says.

    “During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:” the affidavit says.

    The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.

    Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members,” the affidavit says (link)

Additionally the police went to great lengths to state the franchise owner/operator of the Twin Peaks restaurant would not cooperate with law enforcement and refused to cancel the event despite the demands of local law enforcement.

However, that too is factually disputed by the owner/operator:

    […] Late Monday afternoon the restaurant’s operators issued another statement in which they said law enforcement officials did not ask the operator or the franchisor to cancel the patio reservation on Sunday.

    The event Sunday afternoon was not a Bike Night, the statement said, but instead the result of a “regular patio reservation made by a female customer who has been to the restaurant previously.”

    “Based on the information to date, we also believe that the violence began outside in the area of the parking lot, and not inside our restaurant or on our patio, as has been widely reported,” the statement said.

    […] “We are in the process of gathering additional facts, and urge that people avoid rushing to judgment before those facts are fully known,” the [franchise owner] statement said. (link)

It would appear there are several contradictions with the initial -and ongoing- claims by Waco Police Spokesperson Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton.  Including last night:

    […]  Shots were fired inside the restaurant and bikers were shot, stabbed and beaten before the fight quickly moved outside to the parking lot, Swanton said

Just to refresh our memory, here is Swanton’s first Presser again: (this took place at approximately 3:00pm CST Sunday)

In addition, the number of uniformed police who were surrounding the building during the timeframe the bikers arrived at the event has increased from 12+ (original report) to more than 18+.   And now includes the police stating the entire uniformed SWAT division, vehicles, squad cars, MRAP, and all SWAT equipment were in the parking lot directly in front of the restaurant.

    […]  Eighteen uniformed Waco police officers including an assistant chief, sergeants and one rookie were standing by outside the restaurant Sunday and responded within a matter of seconds after the violence broke out between members of five rival gangs, Swanton said

So when we consider the police visibility -including their assault rifles- and overlay the affidavit claim: “three or more members or associates of the Cossacks Motorcycle Club were in the parking lot of the restaurant when they confronted three or more members of the Bandidos Motorcycle Club when the Banditos arrived at the parking lot“, you would have to think these are the stupidest gang members, or….. something else.

    […]  As the officers responded, the bikers directed gunfire in their direction, police said.

    “Our officers took fire and responded appropriately, returning fire,” he said.

There’s bound to be CCTV video at the restaurant/bar, that might help clear up some of the discrepancies if the video is ever made public.

However, it is worth noting the police themselves might have a vested interest in a very specific version of events, and no-one is visible yet to give any eye-witness information which might contradict that version.

It surely does seem odd that gang members would turn guns on heavily armed police who were directly in front of them, in the same parking lot, mere feet away.  It also seems exceptionally fortunate that so far not a single stray bullet hit another building, vehicle or structure.

    […]  Three of the dead were found in the parking lot just outside of the restaurant, four were found in front of the building and one had been dragged behind a neighboring restaurant. (link)

Yet, …all the gang shooting was inside, right.  Right?
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2015, 08:14:51 AM
What about the one report that said a few of the bodies (outside) we're dispatched by the police.

The PoPo are effing this thing up every which way...this is going to be one fustercluck to untangle.  Who's the fricken DA down there, Krusty the Klown?  I would think even a bottom-feeding public defender can raise enough doubt to get many of these guys off whatever they are charged with!

Is it just me or is maybe this whole thing engineered by the PoPo?   ::foilhathelicopter::

The only true comment I've seen thusfar that cannot be refuted is this - "How many wings does it take to fly above the bullsh*t here?"
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Glock32 on May 20, 2015, 10:33:57 AM
AFAIAC, the police have long since depleted the supply of benefit of the doubt.  I'm not willing to take anything they say at face value.  Maybe this really was just a case of motorcycle gang thugs in a turf war, maybe not.  I read one site that said one of the MCs in there is composed mainly of cops, active and retired.

The only apparent conclusion at this point is that there were multiple gangs involved, and one of them was the police department.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on May 20, 2015, 11:27:27 AM
I read one site that said one of the MCs in there is composed mainly of cops, active and retired.

A CoC (Confederation of Clubs & Independents) is made up of clubs of all types (peace loving and outlaws) and independent folks, too. From what I've gathered so far, the meeting was supposed to be about biker's rights, so a club of LEO's could well have been there. I hope there were enough peaceful clubs for the truth to come out.

One such club is BACA. Bikers Against Child Abuse. Great organization.

http://bacaworld.org/ (http://bacaworld.org/)

Since I once again got a Harley, I've joined the Patriot Guard Riders. Since I'm not a vet, this is a VERY humbling experience.

https://www.patriotguard.org/content.php?s=e953c41d8e12a4550cdc47f96def2b3e (https://www.patriotguard.org/content.php?s=e953c41d8e12a4550cdc47f96def2b3e)
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2015, 11:46:37 AM
Good on you, Alan!   ::USA::
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on May 20, 2015, 12:46:09 PM
Good on you, Alan!   ::USA::

Just letting everybody know not all Harley riders are biker trash or RUBs (Rich Urban Bikers). ::hysterical::

On the V-Twin forum I belong to, we call ourselves "Poseurs". ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Glock32 on May 21, 2015, 12:43:45 AM
Actually, I have a certain admiration for the old school Harley guys.  Those original motorcycle clubs were formed largely by returning veterans who couldn't just seamlessly integrate back into life as if they were domesticated animals.  And a big part of it was due to the mind set of free men.

I've never been a motorcycle guy, so I really know nothing about that whole subculture, but that's my impression of its history.  Besides, these days I find myself almost naturally allying with anyone who answers with a hearty "f**k off!" to all manner of "authority."
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2015, 06:38:33 AM
Actually, I have a certain admiration for the old school Harley guys.  Those original motorcycle clubs were formed largely by returning veterans who couldn't just seamlessly integrate back into life as if they were domesticated animals.  And a big part of it was due to the mind set of free men.

I've never been a motorcycle guy, so I really know nothing about that whole subculture, but that's my impression of its history.  Besides, these days I find myself almost naturally allying with anyone who answers with a hearty "f**k off!" to all manner of "authority."

 ::thumbsup::

Say it loud and say it proud!
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2015, 11:35:04 AM
These are some very good questions WRSA has!

OUR question to WACO PD & FEDS ~
 
WHO’s bullets killed the 9 who died and those taken to the hospital?
 
Where is all the video from that surrounds the TWIN PEAKS and all the other businesses?
 
WHY have no charges been filed yet EACH of those in custody have a $1,000,000 bond?
 
WHY were those who had LEGAL carry permits arrested?
 WHY are so many being held in jail that do not have records, were not part of the OMG’s they (PD) were targeting?
 
WHY are ALL BIKES of those in jail being confiscated via Civil Forfeiture? Civil forfeiture is supposed to occur if someone is found GUILTY of a crime while that “property” was in use or used to commit the crime!
 
WHY are bikers that had NO association with their targets being held on $1,000,000 bond? MANY are Christian Bikers and Veteran Bikers who committed no crime other than being on the scene?
https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/first-they-came-for-the-bikers/

If previous practice is a guide, any answers that are answered will be long after the fact and long after the people directly affected can seek redress for wrongful actions...I suspect the statists are already lining up their next victims...
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 21, 2015, 02:29:21 PM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-21/118-handguns-1-ak-47-157-knives-body-armor-recovered-biker-shootout-scene (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-21/118-handguns-1-ak-47-157-knives-body-armor-recovered-biker-shootout-scene)

Check out the pics...only one chick arrested?  Biased, sexist prosecution!
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on May 22, 2015, 09:06:56 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-21/118-handguns-1-ak-47-157-knives-body-armor-recovered-biker-shootout-scene (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-21/118-handguns-1-ak-47-157-knives-body-armor-recovered-biker-shootout-scene)

Check out the pics...only one chick arrested?  Biased, sexist prosecution!

Something to think about. No mention of how many actually had a legal concealed carry permit. And EVERYONE, every single male, carries a pocket knife.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 23, 2015, 09:00:06 AM
"Nothing good ever comes of Waco"

I know that it is entirely (well, OK - maybe just mostly) an emotional response, but I've had this unshakable malaise regarding the Waco incident. I don't identify with the biker culture (although I have friends and family who do) but I reject the narrative that the cops have attempted to sell us.

From what I've see thus far the bulk of the true violence was perpetrated by cop, not biker. The notion that possessing a weapon automatically equals bad actor is only valid if you include LEO into the mix.  That is to say, it is a logical fallacy and a slander. So why are they trying so desperately to sell it to us?

I will say one thing - this has changed forever the relationship between the biker community and cops. Or I should say it had better if they wish to survive. We've seen amply demonstrated the tendency to "shoot first, shovel dirt over the consequences" by the ever increasingly militarized LEOs. What this tells me in a progressively louder voice is that pretenses about civil liberties should be kept where they belong - in fairytale books. In the real world assuming that you have a right to speak, or especially the right to resist can (and will) get you killed.

Sleep with one eye open...
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Pandora on May 23, 2015, 01:13:39 PM
I feel as if I already do.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2015, 09:43:28 PM
Well said 'Soup.   ::thumbsup::

It seems naive to say it doesn't make any sense what LEOs say and do now days, why they alienate so many citizens and still pay homage to proglodyte foolishness, whatever the particular instances the general theme seems to be not to give a crap and an attitude of being above the law.  This keeps going this way it will not end well for them, not sure the PTBs running amok care though.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Alphabet Soup on May 23, 2015, 11:21:03 PM
Well said 'Soup.   ::thumbsup::

It seems naive to say it doesn't make any sense what LEOs say and do now days, why they alienate so many citizens and still pay homage to proglodyte foolishness, whatever the particular instances the general theme seems to be not to give a crap and an attitude of being above the law.  This keeps going this way it will not end well for them, not sure the PTBs running amok care though.

It's a GD sad state of affairs when I can count the people I trust on one hand.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2015, 08:57:03 AM
Well said 'Soup.   ::thumbsup::

It seems naive to say it doesn't make any sense what LEOs say and do now days, why they alienate so many citizens and still pay homage to proglodyte foolishness, whatever the particular instances the general theme seems to be not to give a crap and an attitude of being above the law.  This keeps going this way it will not end well for them, not sure the PTBs running amok care though.

It's a GD sad state of affairs when I can count the people I trust on one hand.

Aye.

As we planted gardens yesterday my brother told me an old friend of mine was trying to get a hold of me, pissed l was not on social media, l said "l don't give a damn, he's a mindless libiot drone, what good could it possibly be to contact him?".  None.

l try to keep my interactions with the enemy to a minimum, things will be interacting vigorously enough soon enough...

Why be nice to anybody who would at best enslave you and at worst try to kill you?
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: John Florida on May 24, 2015, 09:12:24 AM
Well said 'Soup.   ::thumbsup::

It seems naive to say it doesn't make any sense what LEOs say and do now days, why they alienate so many citizens and still pay homage to proglodyte foolishness, whatever the particular instances the general theme seems to be not to give a crap and an attitude of being above the law.  This keeps going this way it will not end well for them, not sure the PTBs running amok care though.

It's a GD sad state of affairs when I can count the people I trust on one hand.

  That isn't new to anybody with some age on them. As you get older you kind of weed out the people around you that you would do anything for and those that you keep there but wouldn't give a hoot about if they weren't there at all.  It's just the way it is you find people change and not for the better and those that see the light.

    I'm flexable to a point and then you hit the line that I start pushing them the end of the list. I'm going to be 64 in Sept. and don't have the time or inclination to waste any of my time on lost causes.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2015, 11:41:32 AM
This is chilling.

If this breakdown is accurate, the authorities just intentionally ran a kill squad at Twin Peaks (https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/supplemental-to-waco-biker-story/).

"land of the free"?

And they are using Nazi tactics on those they arrested (https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2015/06/01/waco-biker-outrage-promise-not-to-sue-waco-pd-or-we-wont-reduce-your-bond/).

I think we may need to move this over to the Police State thread, it is definitely gaining that stain quite rapidly.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Pandora on June 02, 2015, 12:30:51 PM
I think so as well.  I'm making it so.
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2015, 02:05:36 PM
Thanks Pan.   ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: Biker War in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2015, 06:59:46 AM
Must have deployed a lot of these kinda cops...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/mba0h_zpsbsqsxx7b.jpg)

H/T WRSA
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2015, 07:43:08 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/14/four-weeks-later-waco-police-narrative-unravels/ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/06/14/four-weeks-later-waco-police-narrative-unravels/)

The police BS continues to fall apart, and no more info on the facts is being released, which if I conducted a shoot first sort this sh*t out later operation makes sense...and the fate of those arrested not even clarified from blanket arrests and outrageous bails...

If it can happen in Waco it can happen anywhere...

And oh, where are the good LEO's at?  Why are they not speaking up by the thousands?  Their silence means their acquiescence to these clowns and their tactics...and it means they cannot be surprised if people look at all cops as inherently evil and ungoverned by any law or Constitution.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on June 19, 2015, 05:24:46 PM
You can also add THIS (http://news.yahoo.com/waco-police-rarely-dispatched-to-twin-peaks-prior-to-biker-shootout-records-reveal-015135212.html) to the list. You know it's bad when the lame stream media catches on.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Pandora on June 19, 2015, 05:49:45 PM
Unh hunh.  So who did the cops want made dead, with plausible deniability?
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2015, 10:43:58 PM
It could be that maybe nobody in particular was targeted, maybe they all were and they just wanted to do this.  The scary scenario but possible.  Are the authorities gagging this and holding people uncharged because of the fallout or the intent...or both?
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on August 14, 2015, 11:54:53 AM
Waco biker slaughter autopsies...sans ballistic reports. (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/08/david-codrea/waco-biker-autopsies-released-without-ballistics-reports/)

Big shock.  They cannot release anything until such evidence has been properly sanitized to hide the fact that Stormtroopers slaughtered these folks because the can and because they wanted to.

And it's not the first time Stormtroopers got their jollies in Waco, is it?

#whitelivesdontf**kingmatter
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on September 15, 2015, 09:23:20 AM
I'd have second thoughts about turning over potentially damaging evidence to the state to some of the people most likely to cover up the facts (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/09/david-codrea/oversight-and-judiciary-could-ask-atf-about-twin-peaks-ballistics-report/), but...nobody seems to care about this case any more.  Just flush it all down the memory hole, all is well, we do not live in a police state...enjoy your unimpeded liberty with confidence and without care or concern.  That is all.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: richb on September 16, 2015, 02:50:53 AM
Don't hear nothing about this anymore............maybe in the Waco area,  but you sure don't anywhere else anymore.  Media sure isn't interested no more.   Police and other LE misconduct doesn't matter if its mostly white folks that are the victims i suppose.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on September 16, 2015, 07:23:47 AM
White lives don't matter...and there is only police-state fascism when other colors are involved regardless of real oppression and murder or not...

Yup, the Progs turned the world into one effed up doomed hunk of dirt, eh?
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on October 30, 2015, 10:00:45 AM
And CNN is more than happy to show us how violent all bikers are.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/us/texas-biker-shootout-new-details/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/29/us/texas-biker-shootout-new-details/index.html)

WHY do the Wacko PD and judge STILL have the gag order?
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on October 30, 2015, 11:18:50 AM
What a fricken joke!

"What started it?"

Trigger-happy unaccountable LEO's and the statists that cover for them, that's who, you effing Corrupt News Nitwits!

It took them this long to splice together their Oliver Stone like pictorial narrative?  Well, yeah...as bad a goon-squad raid this was...probably an immense amount of exculpatory evidence showing citizens gunned down like dogs probably would take a long damn time...

Now the gag order stays in place until the manufactured evidence and crafted public meme results in convictions of all the citizens...on charges which have yet to be itemized...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/officer-safety-important-go-home_zpsc249e9e9.jpg)

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/obeying_zpsk350xdzt.jpg)
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2016, 08:09:14 AM
The roundup continues...

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9a2d0a628d284b07bc9247fed433d01e/indictments-against-48-more-bikers-waco-melee (http://bigstory.ap.org/article/9a2d0a628d284b07bc9247fed433d01e/indictments-against-48-more-bikers-waco-melee)

So far, no cops charged or even questioned.  Wonder if the judge will allow questioning of state employees present that day, if said employees are capable of not perjuring themselves, or if the Purifier allows proper defense discovery...

Nah, that sh*t be for old-fashioned America, this da nu 'Merica!
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on October 15, 2017, 08:35:33 AM
Maybe some light is being shed on this?

http://www.agingrebel.com/15854 (http://www.agingrebel.com/15854)

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Last Friday, a state judge in Dallas named Teresa Hawthorne “found probable cause to believe that” either the elected McLennan County District Attorney Abelino Reyna or Waco Police Detective Manuel Chavez committed perjury or aggravated perjury at a hearing held in the Twin Peaks’ cases on August 8.

Dallas attorney Clint Broden (photo above) had requested the hearing on behalf of two Twin Peaks defendants, Matthew Clendennen and Ray Nelson. The first 177 Twin Peaks defendants were arrested on the basis of identical arrest affidavits signed by Chavez. Each affidavit was a barrel of lies. But their veracity no longer mattered to 139 of the initial arrestees after they were indicted by a kangaroo grand jury.

Sixteen additional defendants, not arrested at the Twin Peaks, were also indicted. One of them died. There are now 154 indictees.
What Is Truth

Reyna was provably an advocate for arresting all the witnesses to the Biker Brawl and locking them in a dungeon while the Waco Police Department’s Public Information Office, a braying jackass named Patrick Swanton, shoved the official narrative of the incident down the throats of the world’s assembled, migrating press

Broden has been wondering out loud for years about whether Chavez actually wrote the affidavits or Reyna did. So, at the August 8 hearing, Broden put them both on the stand and asked them about it. That went like this.

Broden asked Reyna, “Prior to the affidavit being given to Mr. Chavez or Detective Chavez to sign, did you allow him to have any input?”

“Absolutely. Absolutely,” Reyna replied. “And a lot of the input – that’s what I was telling you about the hole from communication. There was a gap in communication between what was going on at Twin Peaks and what was going on at the convention center. And I remember getting the affidavit and it was, I believe, a draft somewhat of it. And I remember the draft made its way to Manny Diaz…I mean, Manny Chavez. And Manny said something like… to the effect of, this looks good. But at that point in time, I cautioned him and told him, Manny, you need to read every single line and word in this affidavit and if you cannot swear to it, then you need to go back out there and get on the phone and call the people at Twin Peaks and make for sure that you can swear to everything in this affidavit.”


Reyna laid it on thick. “And I…I told him that and I stressed it to him. And he says, no, okay, I will. And I said, that’s a draft. We’re working on it. You better make sure that you can swear to everything in that affidavit. And you need to go back out there and talk to the people at Twin Peaks. You need to talk to the people that had the Intel leading up to it,• the people that were…that were sitting out there watching these guys try to kill each other. You need to know every single bit of it. And he said, I will, I will.”

Then Broden called Chavez to testify and asked him, “Did you read over a draft (of the template affidavit) or a final copy?”

According to Chavez, the affidavits he signed were already finished when he saw them for the first time. “It was the final copy.”

“And do you ever recall Mr. Reyna saying words to the effect, now, Mr. Chavez, you need to make sure that everything in here is true and I need you to call people and make sure it’s true before you sign your name because you’re signing your name? Did any conversation like that take place?”

“ I never spoke to Mr. Reyna that night,” Chavez testified.

Court Of Inquiry

So Broden asked that a Texas Court of Inquiry be convened to determine whether either Chavez or Reyna lied under oath because he was pretty sure one of them had. A Court of Inquiry is usually convened to investigate official corruption. The first step is to establish probable cause that one of them broke the law. That’s what happened Friday.

This morning Broden sent out a press release that included the following statement:

“In my almost thirty years of law practice, I have never had to even consider requesting a Court of Inquiry. Nevertheless, perjury strikes at the core of our system of justice and, therefore, apparent contradictory statements under oath by public officials must be investigated. I am pleased that Judge Hawthorne recognized the need to hold public officials to the same standards as ordinary citizens. Her actions took courage and she is a true example of the type of exemplary judge who does not show favoritism nor bias and simply calls ‘balls and strikes.’ I remind people that Messrs. Reyna and Chavez are presumed to be innocent and I look forward to the Court of Inquiry process investigating this case to a conclusion no matter what conclusion is ultimately reached”

https://youtu.be/pEJwjOBM9YY (https://youtu.be/pEJwjOBM9YY)
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2017, 07:09:09 AM
Uhh huh.  Lying scumbags...and the Feds, what about them?  Another one that still stinks to high heaven...and people still roam the country thinking they live in a functioning Republic...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2019, 07:50:33 AM
 ::siren::   ::siren::   ::siren::   ::siren::   ::siren::   ::siren:: 

Here’s an update to a story we covered in detail for quite a while.  [All Rsearch Backstory Threads Available Here] After four years of seriously sketchy prosecutorial conduct, likely trying to cover up the number of people killed by police and SWAT units as they shot into the crowd, the McLennen county district attorney has dropped all charges against the bikers involved in the Waco “Twin Peaks” brawl.

That means the old DA and the new DA were not able to achieve a single successful prosecution of any of the 177 bike club members, after the entire group was originally rounded up and locked in jail on $1 million bonds.

This thing was FUBAR from the beginning with nine bikers killed, twenty more shot and injured, and the police trying to say they only fired 12 rounds.  Transparent nonsense made even worse when the police refused to allow the CCTV video to be released or used by the defense teams of those arrested. Total nonsense. Initially CTH graphed out hundreds of shell casings and it was clear the heavily armed police just opened fire into the crowd from three positions.  Some victims were shot while they were cowered in corners.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/02/update-waco-twin-peaks-shootout-all-charges-dropped-not-a-single-successful-prosecution/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/04/02/update-waco-twin-peaks-shootout-all-charges-dropped-not-a-single-successful-prosecution/)

https://www.wacotrib.com/news/da-dismisses-remaining-twin-peaks-biker-cases/article_124b9c6f-d3ab-581b-bb85-56ed33560735.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share (https://www.wacotrib.com/news/da-dismisses-remaining-twin-peaks-biker-cases/article_124b9c6f-d3ab-581b-bb85-56ed33560735.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share)

This was a mass execution, period.   Jarrett, Reyna, Stroman...and all those murderers on Waco, McClennan County and TX State LEO outfits should face prison time!  That a-hole JOP Peterson who levied $1M on everybody forced jail time on 170 people...those 170 should return the favor 170 fold!

Civil cases seem a slam-dunk...going to be a big hit for taxpayers...

If any people with sense left in this county they ought to GTFO before the next episode happens and the next tax levy comes due!
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: AlanS on April 06, 2019, 05:14:33 PM

Civil cases seem a slam-dunk...going to be a big hit for taxpayers...



And from what I hear, there's going to be quite a few. So many lives were ruined over this crap.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: patentlymn on April 06, 2019, 10:01:40 PM
This was so obvious from the beginning.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2019, 11:11:14 AM
And have any of these executioners been charged and confined under excessive bail?  How about those ringleaders?  How about somebody put all this statist scum where it belongs?

And that this could happen in a Texas County shows how far into the sh*tter places have gone!
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Solo on April 10, 2019, 12:08:24 PM
I read (somewhere) recently that another cop/vs/biker shootout at a Casino somewhere where multiple people were shot and killed...has had all charges dropped against those arrested.

What the heck is going on with these biker gangs and the police? 

It is also my understanding that, if the leaders of a biker gang call a truce to discuss issues with a rival gang, any gang member who starts trouble at such meeting is in deep doo doo! 

It doesn't surprise me in the least that the police would show up at such an event.  Biker gangs are notoriously violent and don't really care much about societal "nicities". The police would be remiss NOT to show up.  But...when shots start flying with that many people around, it's going to be a fur-ball of epic proportions.  They may never sort out who shot whom...or why.

All I know (and from experience) is...when a biker group shows up wearing a "Rocker" on the back of their jackets with a specific city name on it....it's time to be somewhere else!  They are literally announcing publicly that they are thugs and capable of almost anything!



Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2019, 12:35:47 PM
Other than Waco?  News to me!

And "gangs" aren't what people think they are in many cases...more riding clubs...hell we got those up here for anything with wheels or a tread...all year round...just a means of going from one watering hole to another.  Sure, the notorious Hell's Angel's, Mongols, Pagans, Outlaws etc are still around, and sure they deal in drugs and violence...some chapters worse than others but they mostly only deal and fight among themselves and not the general population...the real gangs to worry about...the Crip's, Bloods, MS-13, M18...your white-trash meth maker/peddler...that shyt is way worse and does impact the general population.
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Solo on April 11, 2019, 08:45:07 AM
Other than Waco?  News to me!

And "gangs" aren't what people think they are in many cases...more riding clubs...hell we got those up here for anything with wheels or a tread...all year round...just a means of going from one watering hole to another.  Sure, the notorious Hell's Angel's, Mongols, Pagans, Outlaws etc are still around, and sure they deal in drugs and violence...some chapters worse than others but they mostly only deal and fight among themselves and not the general population...the real gangs to worry about...the Crip's, Bloods, MS-13, M18...your white-trash meth maker/peddler...that shyt is way worse and does impact the general population.

Yeah....I get it about the riding clubs.  There's lots of them.  But...you'll notice that I made a distinction  when I mentioned having a "Rocker" on your jacket with a city name on it.  Do that...and the local biker gang who controls that location is going to want to have a "conversation" with you.

Around here the Outlaws biker gang controls the local riff-raff.  In fact, their club house is about 15 minutes away from here.
When I lived in Maryland, that area was controlled by the Pagans.  My boss at the time had a brother in the Pagans. He was in prison for murder.  Several guys with whom I went to High School ended up in the Pagans, as well.

NO...if you want to have a riding club and you put the name of your club on the back of your jacket, it's usually no problem.  That's typically what is called the "Top Rocker".  Add a "Bottom Rocker" with a city or town name on it..and you're asking for trouble with the local biker gang.  To them, that means that you are laying claim to that territory...and they're going to want to ask you about it!

Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Solo on April 11, 2019, 08:59:07 AM
Ah...here's the Casino shoot out of which I spoke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MF_aX8U7s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12MF_aX8U7s)
Title: Re: Police shoot up Biker's in Waco, TX at Twin Peaks restraunt
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2019, 09:06:41 AM
Yeah, not recent, and between themselves...but in a public place.

Normally killing each other fine with me...they cross the line when they endanger the public...but at the same time the police and their masters cannot just green-light shooting up a place like Twin Peaks just because they don't like the patrons.