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Topics => Weather, Climate, & Natural Disasters => Topic started by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:02:24 AM

Title: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:02:24 AM
Breaking... (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake)

[blockquote]TOKYO – A magnitude 8.9 earthquake slammed Japan's northeastern coast Friday, unleashing a 13-foot (4-meter) tsunami that swept boats, cars, buildings and tons of debris miles inland. Fires triggered by the quake burned out of control up and down the coast.

At least one person was killed and there were reports of several injuries in Tokyo, hundreds of kilometers (miles) away, where buildings shook violently through the main quake and the wave of massive aftershocks that followed.
TV footage showed waves of muddy waters sweeping over farmland near the city of Sendai, carrying buildings, some on fire, inland as cars attempted to drive away.

"This is a rare major quake, and damages could quickly rise by the minute," said Junichi Sawada, an official with Japan's Fire and Disaster Management Agency.

Officials were trying to assess damage, injuries and deaths but had no immediate details. Police said at least one person was killed in a house collapse in Ibaraki prefecture, just northeast of Tokyo.

A large fire erupted at the Cosmo oil refinery in Ichihara city in Chiba prefecture near Tokyo and was burning out of control.

Public broadcaster NHK showed footage of a large ship being swept away by the tsunami and ramming directly into a breakwater in Kesennuma city in Miyagi prefecture. Similar destruction was seen in dozens of communities along the coast.[/blockquote]
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:20:03 AM
AceOfSpades has a flaming skull post (http://minx.cc/?post=313208) on this...

[blockquote]Not good: NHK TV showing a number of cars partially/fully underwater in what looks like a port or marina area.

Depth of quake 24k, CNN guy says that's not very deep.

This could be very, very bad.

Oh God...huge waves hitting somewhere in Japan. Live on CNN.

Via rdbrewer Google map for epicenter. CNN says it's 150 miles but tsunamis travel about 800kph.

Via Andy Levy, NHK internet stream.

Damage reports are showing up on Twitter from across Japan.[/blockquote]

This is going to kill a lot of people in Japan.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:21:28 AM
This is the most terrifying thing I have ever seen on live tv.

There is this wall of water and debris that is literally racing across the land with a busy roadway about to be engulfed.

There are fires everywhere.  Big ones.

There are tsunami warnings going off in Honolulu right now.

I don't know what the outlook for the west coast of the US is but it would be a few hours down the line.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:32:40 AM
FNC is claiming that the Hawaii wave may be up to 6 feet high.

(http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2011/Mar/Week2/15950236.jpg)

SkyNews reports a 33 ft. wave here. (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Earthquake-Tokyo-Tsunami-Fears-After-89-Magnitude-Quake-Rocks-Buildings-In-Capital/Article/201103215950160?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950160_Video%3A_Japan_Earthquake%3A_Tokyo_Tsunami_Fears_After_8.9_Magnitude_Quake_Rocks_Buildings_In_Capital) Video at the link.

There will be lots and lots of deaths. Very sad.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:44:29 AM
Oh yeah, and thanks to our spendthrift president we are singularly unprepared (fiscally) to help the Japanese and maybe even ourselves. I guess we will print up a few bushels of money and send it to them.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 03:54:37 AM
Watching the video of the wave racing across the farmland, engulfing every structure and vehicle in its path, bearing down on the town as vehicles races to escape, and engulfing the town, was one of the most frightening things I've ever watched. Wrath of God kinda stuff.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 11, 2011, 04:55:22 AM
Good explanation on Richter Scale, used to measure the strength of earthquakes:
http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity.html (http://www.geo.mtu.edu/UPSeis/intensity.html)

The Richter magnitude scale can be used to describe earthquakes so small that they are expressed in negative numbers. The scale also has no upper limit, so it can describe earthquakes of unimaginable and (so far) unexperienced intensity, such as magnitude 10.0 and beyond.

Folks, a 10.0 is unheard of. The earthquake in Japan has been pegged at 8.9. This is massive and unprecedented.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 11, 2011, 05:16:27 AM
Watching the video, all that salt water washing over Japanese farmland. THAT will be the worst part of the disaster.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 05:20:31 AM
More food shortages.  Just what is needed on top of everything else.  What a horror for those people.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 05:21:29 AM
Holy Crap!  

 ::speechless::

I cannot believe how big this thing is!  8.9 is massive, and off the coast, no wonder the tsunami is so devastating.  I heard on the radio only 32 confirmed deaths so far, that has to be an awfully preliminary number.  The videos alone are incredible.  Truly freightening!  I pray for all those people, and I pray the wave heading for Hawaii and elsewhere is respected by people and they take to high ground!  The low lying pacific nations could be especially at risk!

 ::praying::

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704399804576193650432765520.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704399804576193650432765520.html?mod=WSJ_hp_LEFTTopStories)

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Earthquake-Tokyo-Tsunami-Fears-After-89-Magnitude-Quake-Rocks-Buildings-In-Capital/Article/201103215950160?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950160_Video%3A_Japan_Earthquake%3A_Tokyo_Tsunami_Fears_After_8.9_Magnitude_Quake_Rocks_Buildings_In_Capital (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Earthquake-Tokyo-Tsunami-Fears-After-89-Magnitude-Quake-Rocks-Buildings-In-Capital/Article/201103215950160?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950160_Video%3A_Japan_Earthquake%3A_Tokyo_Tsunami_Fears_After_8.9_Magnitude_Quake_Rocks_Buildings_In_Capital)

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=TX-PAR-BQU29&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=TX-PAR-BQU29&show_article=1)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110311/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 05:50:12 AM
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An aftershock of 7.1 hit which is still greater than Haiti quake.

*Update* From Twitter RT @romeoinottawa: CNN just reported the wall of water that hit northern Japan was 24 feet high.

GP (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/massive-8-9-earthquake-hits-japan-tsunami-slams-japanese-coast/) has videos.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 06:55:34 AM
Wow.  18 aftershock's , none smaller than 5.7.

This video is amazing.  Water, debris, debris on fire!  Cars tumbling like ice cubes.  Fires.

http://bloom.bg/dN2Bmx#ooid=kwZWRiMjqHXBqb2DfLdwAAcoqk-HXchN (http://bloom.bg/dN2Bmx#ooid=kwZWRiMjqHXBqb2DfLdwAAcoqk-HXchN)

I hear 4m people in Tokyo are without power, probably as a result of the nuke plants shutting down.

My God in this SkyNews footage you can see people in cars driving away from the surge!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Earthquake-Tokyo-Tsunami-Fears-After-89-Magnitude-Quake-Rocks-Buildings-In-Capital/Article/201103215950160?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950160_Video%3A_Japan_Earthquake%3A_Tokyo_Tsunami_Fears_After_8.9_Magnitude_Quake_Rocks_Buildings_In_Capital (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Video-Japan-Earthquake-Tokyo-Tsunami-Fears-After-89-Magnitude-Quake-Rocks-Buildings-In-Capital/Article/201103215950160?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15950160_Video%3A_Japan_Earthquake%3A_Tokyo_Tsunami_Fears_After_8.9_Magnitude_Quake_Rocks_Buildings_In_Capital)

Stunning.

The second clip half way down...can you imagine sitting in your car or house and seeing this wall of crap marching toward you?!

UFB!



Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 07:04:23 AM
I am hearing on the radio that the tsunami is now just minutes from the Hawaiian Islands...

I wonder if there are any Darwin Award nominees ready to attempt something foolish?  Or will that honor fall to their dumber cousins in California?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:04:33 AM
Anyone hear about places like Midway Island?

One of the things to keep in mind when you see video out of Japan is that you are only seeing pics where cameras were present. You can pretty much imagine the same thing on a massive scale.

The reports coming in are of hundreds dead. There may very well be thousands dead. Likely that a lot of the bodies will never be recovered, swept out to sea.

The point made above about the seawater on farmland is very valid. But it doesn't stop there. The debris field will contain untold amounts of toxic stuff. And then there is the nuclear power plant issue. Reports just starting to come about that.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 08:08:32 AM
No, good point though, that is really low ground!  Wake as well!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 08:11:54 AM
I did find this though -

http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2011/03/11/breaking_news/breaking49.txt (http://www.hawaiitribune-herald.com/articles/2011/03/11/breaking_news/breaking49.txt)

midway 28.2N 177.4W 1048z 1.27M / 4.2Ft 12min

wake us 19.3N 166.6E 0928z 0.39M / 1.3Ft 14min

ETA - Looks like it disipated...Hawaii getting wave now, and is heading to west coast...
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 08:15:15 AM
Anyone hear about places like Midway Island?

One of the things to keep in mind when you see video out of Japan is that you are only seeing pics where cameras were present. You can pretty much imagine the same thing on a massive scale.

The reports coming in are of hundreds dead. There may very well be thousands dead. Likely that a lot of the bodies will never be recovered, swept out to sea.

The point made above about the seawater on farmland is very valid. But it doesn't stop there. The debris field will contain untold amounts of toxic stuff. And then there is the nuclear power plant issue. Reports just starting to come about that.

Per Ed Mahmoud at Grouchies:

Quote
WEHW40 PHEB 111133
TSUHWX
HIZ001>003-005>009-012>014-016>021-023>026-111333-
/O.CON.PHEB.TS.W.0001.000000T0000Z-000000T0000Z/
BULLETIN
TSUNAMI MESSAGE NUMBER   7
NWS PACIFIC TSUNAMI WARNING CENTER EWA BEACH HI
133 AM HST FRI MAR 11 2011
TO - CIVIL DEFENSE IN THE STATE OF HAWAII
SUBJECT - TSUNAMI WARNING SUPPLEMENT
A TSUNAMI WARNING CONTINUES IN EFFECT FOR THE STATE OF HAWAII.
AN EARTHQUAKE HAS OCCURRED WITH THESE PRELIMINARY PARAMETERS
   ORIGIN TIME - 0746 PM HST 10 MAR 2011
   COORDINATES - 38.3 NORTH  142.4 EAST
   LOCATION    - NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU  JAPAN
   MAGNITUDE   - 8.9  MOMENT
MEASUREMENTS OR REPORTS OF TSUNAMI WAVE ACTIVITY
 GAUGE LOCATION        LAT   LON    TIME        AMPL         PER
 TOSASHIMIZU SHIKOKU  32.8N 133.0E  0946Z   0.84M /  2.8FT  28MIN
 ADAK AK              51.9N 176.6W  1034Z   0.35M /  1.2FT  22MIN
 YAP FM                9.5N 138.1E  1013Z   0.15M /  0.5FT  88MIN
 LEGASPI PH           13.1N 123.8E  1022Z   0.29M /  1.0FT  **MIN
 MIDWA               28.2N 177.4W  1028Z   1.56M /  5.1FT  80MIN
 DART 21415           50.2N 171.8E  0845Z   0.27M /  0.9FT  52MIN
 WAKE US              19.3N 166.6E  0928Z   0.39M /  1.3FT  14MIN
 NAHA OKINAWA JP      26.2N 127.7E  0901Z   0.25M /  0.8FT  60MIN
 SAIPAN US            15.2N 145.7E  0916Z   0.65M /  2.1FT  30MIN
 OMAEZAKI HONSHU JP   34.6N 138.2E  0818Z   1.42M /  4.6FT  56MIN
 DART 21419           44.5N 155.7E  0716Z   0.40M /  1.3FT  20MIN
 DART 21413           30.5N 152.1E  0659Z   0.76M /  2.5FT  32MIN
 HANASAKI HOKKAIDO J  43.3N 145.6E  0657Z   2.79M /  9.2FT  76MIN
 DART 21401           42.6N 152.6E  0643Z   0.67M /  2.2FT  40MIN
 DART 21418           38.7N 148.7E  0619Z   1.08M /  3.5FT  06MIN
 LAT  - LATITUDE (N-NORTH, S-SOUTH)
 LON  - LONGITUDE (E-EAST, W-WEST)
 TIME - TIME OF THE MEASUREMENT (Z IS UTC IS GREENWICH TIME)
 AMPL - TSUNAMI AMPLITUDE MEASURED RELATIVE TO NORMAL SEA LEVEL.
        IT IS ...NOT... CREST-TO-TROUGH WAVE HEIGHT.
        VALUES ARE GIVEN IN BOTH METERS(M) AND FEET(FT).
 PER  - PERIOD OF TIME IN MINUTES(MIN) FROM ONE WAVE TO THE NEXT.
 NOTE - DART MEASUREMENTS ARE FROM THE DEEP OCEAN AND THEY
        ARE GENERALLY MUCH SMALLER THAN WOULD BE COASTAL
         MEASUREMENTS AT SIMILAR LOCATIONS.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:15:48 AM
When words just won't do...

(http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/9206/031111tsunamipopup.jpg)

Link (http://www.foxnews.com/projects/misc_images/031111_tsunamipopup.jpg) to the original picture which is in high def. You can see tremendous detail.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 08:17:08 AM
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Pacific Command just announced all ships will stay in port (in Hawaii)

Per rayra, 3:43 a.m.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 08:22:36 AM
Yeah, I haven't hard any issues for 7th Fleet, and Marine bases in Japan were cleared from coastal areas as soon as the word got out, so the military seems pretty on top of everything.

Some info -

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 08:32:39 AM
Yeah, I haven't hard any issues for 7th Fleet, and Marine bases in Japan were cleared from coastal areas as soon as the word got out, so the military seems pretty on top of everything.

Some info -

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119)

What should I be looking for there that contradicts rayra's post?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: ToddF on March 11, 2011, 08:34:42 AM
Taiwan spared, so it's not hitting everywhere.

Philippines spared.

1 1/2M hit Midway

Hitting Hawaii

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14231324 (http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=14231324)

Proably too early for damage reports
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 08:41:09 AM
Yeah, I haven't hard any issues for 7th Fleet, and Marine bases in Japan were cleared from coastal areas as soon as the word got out, so the military seems pretty on top of everything.

Some info -

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119)

What should I be looking for there that contradicts rayra's post?

Nothing contradicts it, just more info on what was done around the region is all.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:43:44 AM
 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbjAom6nc1M#[/url)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:48:52 AM
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/826/devastation.png)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 08:50:31 AM
Yeah, I haven't hard any issues for 7th Fleet, and Marine bases in Japan were cleared from coastal areas as soon as the word got out, so the military seems pretty on top of everything.

Some info -

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119)

What should I be looking for there that contradicts rayra's post?

Nothing contradicts it, just more info on what was done around the region is all.

Having said that, isn't it just a bit dumbass to leave ships tied up in port with a tsunami coming?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 08:51:10 AM
My God, trap!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:56:24 AM
ABC News slide show (http://abcnews.go.com/International/slideshow/tsunami-major-damage-northern-japan-89-quake-13112059). Only twenty pics so far. Expect more soon.

Someone I heard on the news claims this is the seventh worst quake in recorded history.

Japan does prepare and drill for these things.  BUT, that said...there was very little warning in regard to coastal areas. Japan is so densely populated just about everywhere that it is difficult to imagine the death toll. Ace is showing a tweet or something that an entire town was wiped out that had a population of 77,000.

The global economic aftershocks of this event are unimaginable. The drain on resources to deal with this is incalculable. I fear for our economically weakened country. Thanks, Democrats. Thanks, Obama.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 09:01:10 AM
Yeah, I haven't hard any issues for 7th Fleet, and Marine bases in Japan were cleared from coastal areas as soon as the word got out, so the military seems pretty on top of everything.

Some info -

http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119 (http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=63119)

What should I be looking for there that contradicts rayra's post?

Nothing contradicts it, just more info on what was done around the region is all.

Having said that, isn't it just a bit dumbass to leave ships tied up in port with a tsunami coming?

Depends upon the harbor.  One closed and protected like Pearl may not be as prone to issues, the outer part of the harbor entrance may take a bigger hit, the inner harbor being spared.  A more open harbor in a bay, or in anything shaped like a "v" where the point is inward, could be much more prone to devastation I would think.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 09:02:03 AM
(http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/826/devastation.png)

That pretty much speaks volumes, doesn't it?!

UFB!

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 09:16:12 AM

Depends upon the harbor.  One closed and protected like Pearl may not be as prone to issues, the outer part of the harbor entrance may take a bigger hit, the inner harbor being spared.  A more open harbor in a bay, or in anything shaped like a "v" where the point is inward, could be much more prone to devastation I would think.

The shape of a bay is critical. So is the direction that it is pointed. So is the topography of the sea bed in the bay and the area directly ahead of the bay. So is the topography of the land that surrounds the bay.

The more that these factors focus the wave energy, the greater the wave height and the potential for damage.

Fortunately for Hawaii, they have had several hours to prepare. In most cases, simply going into the upper floors of a substantial building is enough to escape death.

These things are very hard to predict. The wave that hits Hawaii could turn out to be a big nothing. That's what happened with the last newsmaker tsunami to hit Hawaii.

The death and destruction are what they are and I mourn for the losses but the economic effects of this thing are what are worrying me the most right now. Since we are in a global economy there are ripple effects that won't be felt for days and weeks but when they hit they will be just as devastating from an economic point of view.

Japan is the third largest economy in the world. This is a national emergency for them on a scale that they have not seen since WWII. Everything will change for them... immediately. Purchases won't be made. Products will cease production. Entire industries could grind to a halt. When something of this scale hits an economy this large the effect for the rest of the world will be very, very noticeable and it will not be good. The more closely other economies are linked to Japan (like ours) the worse the effects will be.

What I mean by this is that we could have many companies here in the states where suddenly their customer base is wiped out. That puts their employees out of work. And the ripple continues.

Japan is a big banking and stock trading center. A disruption there could have very bad consequences for a lot of places.

This is a big f**king deal in ways that we cannot now even imagine.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 11, 2011, 09:30:19 AM
I take solace in the fact that we have the steady hand of Obama at the wheel during the economic tsunami to come.

Ugh.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 09:34:28 AM
The media made a big deal out of Katrina.  And, rightfully so...it was big and the devastation was widespread for many miles across the region.

This is worse by several orders of magnitude. It is just not possible to wrap your mind around how much destruction there has been because for every photo and video you see there are hundreds of miles of coastal areas that will have received varying degrees of this mess. And it stretches inland for many miles in an extremely dense population center.

Finger of God time.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 09:37:11 AM
I take solace in the fact that we have the steady hand of Obama at the wheel during the economic tsunami to come.

Ugh.

It has been said that when the "Big One" hits LA the economic effects would be devastating for the rest of the world. This is like that but in this case the wave is coming our way rather than exploding out from us.

The mental midgets in Toonces' economic team have no idea what is coming. If recent history is any indication, they will be in total reaction mode rather than being proactive. And the reactions will probably not be very helpful. These bozos couldn't even properly handle a little middle eastern coup in Libya properly and that took weeks to happen. There are always winners and losers when things like this happen. Prediction: We won't be winners but the Chinese will emerge from this stronger than before.

Geithner will be hiding under his desk before its over.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 09:42:52 AM
Oh, and hard luck for union thugs (and Toonces) trying to milk the WI situation for all it's worth. That news cycle officially died a few hours ago when this story started.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
Oh, and hard luck for union thugs (and Toonces) trying to milk the WI situation for all it's worth. That news cycle officially died a few hours ago when this story started.

Hussein not happy. Japan should be very worried too. They are, after all, a traditional ally of the United States for 60 years. They must be wondering how motivated Hussein is to step up. I'm thinking that this is a perfect opportunity for him to demonstrate to the world that America can no longer be counted upon.

(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/3271214430_2803134efb_o.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 10:35:20 AM
Sort of defines fecklessness, doesn't he?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 10:38:59 AM
Barry is one natural disaster that is completely preventable!  Shame! Shame!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 11, 2011, 10:56:59 AM
Truly shocking and heartbreaking.  My prayers are with the people of Japan.  They're going to need a lot of help recovering.  But BECAUSE they are a US ally I fear Obama will abandon them.  I pray the punk will be overruled by Congress, military command, even Hillary.

Not good at all.  TEOTWAWKI seems even closer today.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 11:07:20 AM
Barry is one natural disaster that is completely preventable!  Shame! Shame!

2012 can't arrive quick enough

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ah9izVsj5TE/TK28Flir_HI/AAAAAAAAACc/DUHJjQj6GYs/s1600/obamasism+Man-Caused+Disaster++Overseas+Contingency+Operation+OBAMASISM++Global+Warming+Global+Climate+Disruption+barack+obama+motivational+posters.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 11, 2011, 11:09:53 AM
God have mercy.  

The town of Kesenna (population 74,000) is on fire.  (http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-video-of-japans-kesennuma-city-on-fire-2011-3)

Currently 88,000 people are missing in Japan.  (http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-missing-people-2011-3)

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Barry is one natural disaster that is completely preventable!  Shame! Shame!

2012 can't arrive quick enough

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Ah9izVsj5TE/TK28Flir_HI/AAAAAAAAACc/DUHJjQj6GYs/s1600/obamasism+Man-Caused+Disaster++Overseas+Contingency+Operation+OBAMASISM++Global+Warming+Global+Climate+Disruption+barack+obama+motivational+posters.jpg)

2012 can't arrive quick enough

That's no BS!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 11:43:15 AM
God have mercy.  

The town of Kesenna (population 74,000) is on fire.  (http://www.businessinsider.com/watch-video-of-japans-kesennuma-city-on-fire-2011-3)

Currently 88,000 people are missing in Japan.  (http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-missing-people-2011-3)



Yikes!

And 88k missing?  First I heard a number that big!   ::speechless::

And now they're having problems cooling a nuke plant down!

http://abcnews.go.com/International/japanese-earthquake-stokes-nuclear-fears-damaged-power-plants/story?id=13114181 (http://abcnews.go.com/International/japanese-earthquake-stokes-nuclear-fears-damaged-power-plants/story?id=13114181)

 ::speechless::

And this whirlpool is just freaky!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709856 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12709856)

And Trap is dead on with the econmic impact of all this, and the ripples it can have in the region and across the globe.

This is a major Hand of God event, and a quick recovery is not in the offing.  Fires raging, nuke plant over-heating, water mud and debris everywhere, people missing....

 ::speechless::

Time to pitch in and help and pray for the best!  Picking up the pieces and moving forward will come later...
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 11, 2011, 11:57:51 AM
I'm not trying to be flip or insensitive, but with earthquakes, tsunamis, and now nuclear plants overheating in Japan, you knew this was inevitable:

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/godzilla.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 12:16:40 PM
Godzilla might have been more merciful!

This clip is pretty good.  Some footage is the same, some from new angles, some I hadn't seen before...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42030003#42030003 (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/42030003#42030003)

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 12:26:31 PM
I'm not trying to be flip or insensitive, but with earthquakes, tsunamis, and now nuclear plants overheating in Japan, you knew this was inevitable:

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/godzilla.jpg)

Hey, if we can use a disaster to invoke the likely ineptitude of Obama, certainly an obligatory Godzilla reference is not out of order.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 12:35:36 PM
I'm not trying to be flip or insensitive, but with earthquakes, tsunamis, and now nuclear plants overheating in Japan, you knew this was inevitable:

(http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff269/halo707/Forums/godzilla.jpg)

Hey, if we can use a disaster to invoke the likely ineptitude of Obama, certainly an obligatory Godzilla reference is not out of order.

She is certainly growing in all the wrong places!

(http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0h0q58HbXe0RO/x610.jpg)
(http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0810/MichelleObamaImage2.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 12:49:32 PM
 ::hysterical::   ::hysterical::   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 12:55:00 PM
Hey, anyone up for some "end of the world as we know it" stuff?

Do a little bit of reading about the New Madrid fault and the earthquake of 1811. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1812_New_Madrid_earthquake)

[blockquote]Some sections of the Mississippi River appeared to run backward for a short time. Sand blows were common throughout the area, and can still be seen from the air in cultivated fields. The shockwaves propagated efficiently through midwestern bedrock. Residents as far away as Pittsburgh and Norfolk were awakened by intense shaking. Church bells were reported to ring as far as Boston, Massachusetts and York, Ontario (now Toronto), and sidewalks were reported to have been cracked and broken in Washington, D.C. There were also reports of toppled chimneys in Maine.



The zone remains active today. In recent decades minor earthquakes have continued. New forecasts estimate a 7 to 10 percent chance, in the next 50 years, of a repeat of a major earthquake like those that occurred in 1811–1812, which likely had magnitudes of between 7.5 and 8.0. There is a 25 to 40 percent chance, in a 50-year time span, of a magnitude 6.0 or greater earthquake.



In a report filed in November 2008, The U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency warned that a serious earthquake in the New Madrid Seismic Zone could result in "the highest economic losses due to a natural disaster in the United States," further predicting "widespread and catastrophic" damage across Alabama, Arkansas, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Mississippi, Missouri and particularly Tennessee, where a 7.7 magnitude quake or greater would cause damage to tens of thousands of structures affecting water distribution, transportation systems, and other vital infrastructure.

The potential for the recurrence of large earthquakes and their impact today on densely populated cities in and around the seismic zone has prompted research devoted to understanding in the New Madrid Seismic Zone. By studying evidence of past quakes and closely monitoring ground motion and current earthquake activity, scientists attempt to understand their causes and recurrence intervals.

The lack of apparent land movement along the New Madrid fault system has long puzzled scientists. In 2009 two studies based on eight years of GPS measurements indicated that the faults were moving at no more than 0.2 millimetres (0.0079 in) a year. This contrasts to the rate of slippage on the San Andreas Fault which averages up to 37 millimetres (1.5 in) a year across California.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/ad/NMSZBig.gif/300px-NMSZBig.gif)
[/blockquote]

What this quake essentially did was to treat the center/east of the country like it was a gong. Two hundred years ago a seismic event of this magnitude wasn't capable of extinguishing catastrophic numbers of human lives because there weren't any here in big numbers. What a difference 200 years makes. Take a quicky look at a map and identify all of the big population centers that are in the immediate vicinity of the fault. Pretty scary, huh? This isn't an "if" situation but rather a "when" sort of thing. I hope I'm not around when it happens.

There is geological/archeological evidence that suggests that the New Madrid fault has a cyclical pattern that repeats every 200 years or so. Now let's see, 1811 plus 200 is...


More info here. (http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/states/events/1811-1812.php) Lots of info with additional links here. (http://www.hsv.com/genlintr/newmadrd/)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 01:10:35 PM

There is geological/archeological evidence that suggests that the New Madrid fault has a cyclical pattern that repeats every 200 years or so. Now let's see, 1811 plus 200 is...

2211 if you count it TWICE!

(http://www.moonbattery.com/Barack_Obama_Kathleen_Sebelius.jpg)

Once you go Bah Rack, you never go Back!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 01:25:25 PM
New Madrid was something, for sure.  There's a documentary floating aroound out there on that that was pretty neat.  Talked about all the crap going on, first hand reports of witnesses from newspaper reports of the time etc, sounded like the end of everything.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 01:26:24 PM

There is geological/archeological evidence that suggests that the New Madrid fault has a cyclical pattern that repeats every 200 years or so. Now let's see, 1811 plus 200 is...

2211 if you count it TWICE!

(http://www.moonbattery.com/Barack_Obama_Kathleen_Sebelius.jpg)

Once you go Bah Rack, you never go Back!

Bleach!

The kiss of death!

Yeah, can't go back...not if you're dead!

 ::barf::

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 01:28:46 PM
Now a 6.6 mag hits central Japan. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110311/ts_nm/us_japan_quake_niigata)

TOKYO (Reuters) – A strong earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.6 struck northwestern Japan on Saturday after a massive quake hit northeastern Japan, NHK reported.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 01:34:25 PM
2011 Darwin Award nominees: (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TSUNAMI_SURFERS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-03-11-11-50-50)

[blockquote]SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) -- Some California surfers rode high water from a tsunami caused by the Japanese earthquake, while other beaches were closed.

In Santa Cruz, it was a typical good day for surfing before the water pulled out of Monterey Bay toward the Pacific Ocean when the tsunami hit.

Around 8:10 a.m., within seconds, the water dropped by about 9 feet as the harbor turned into a river as water was sucked out to sea.

Surfers who had been paddling on their boards were able to walk with them on the wet sand. Others stayed in water, despite warnings from lifeguards to come in.

A couple of boats broke loose and part of a dock was also pulled away during one of several surges, each of which took about 10 minutes.[/blockquote]

FNC was just saying that there are initial reports that some people in CA (or OR) had been swept out to sea. We will have to wait and see if that report was correct. As you know there is a lot of BS that flies around these big stories.

You would think that it wouldn't be that hard to get news out of a place like Crescent City, CA.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 01:40:19 PM
Another prediction of mine coming true.

It's just too easy sometimes...

 ::)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 01:45:20 PM
News and video at this link (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-crescent-city-california-20110311,0,3043382.story) about Crescent City, CA.

[blockquote]Local residents reported that about three dozen boats were "crushed" in the harbor and that surging waters significantly damaged or destroyed most of the docks. Ocean water surging up Elk Creek north of the harbor reportedly lapped up to front doors of the community's cultural center.



Officials reported waves of 6 1/2 feet in Crescent City and 6 feet in Morro Bay, said Caltech scientist Lucy Jones.

Jones said officials won't know the extent of the damage until high tide occurs later Friday morning.

"Clearly, very large drawdown of water in Half Moon Bay," Jones said earlier in the day. "We are coming to high tide in a couple other hours. As long as we're still growing on tide, we need to keep a watch on the water. ... Currents may be very significant.

In Santa Cruz, the waves josted boats and damaged docks.

Authorities issued an evacuation advisory about 6:40 a.m. for coastal residents and those living along the San Lorenzo and Capitol rivers and other major waterways in Santa Cruz County, said county spokesman Enrique Sahagun.

The first waves reached land about 7:45 a.m. At Santa Cruz Yacht Harbor, the swells pushed and bumped boats together and broke some docks, but total damage is unknown thus far, Sahagun said.[/blockquote]
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 01:46:28 PM
USGS reporting that a rift has opened at the quake site 150 miles long by 50 feet miles wide...via FNC on their ticker.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 11, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
I can't recall - is Japan  one of the ones where Øbongo humiliated himself by bowing to, or is it one of the ones he insulted with inappropriate gifts?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 01:50:56 PM
I can't recall - is Japan  one of the ones where Øbongo humiliated himself by bowing to, or is it one of the ones he insulted with inappropriate gifts?
I think those things go hand in hand.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 02:00:57 PM
USGS reporting that a rift has opened at the quake site 150 miles long by 50 feet miles wide...via FNC on their ticker.


Yup.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4 (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4)

And, I don't know about other people, but when I see the words "Slightly"  and "Radioactive" used together, it kind of makes me nervous...

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9LT6T580&show_article=1 (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9LT6T580&show_article=1)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:02:42 PM
We can kiss goodbye any chance of new nuke plants in the USA because of the problems they are having today in Japan.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 02:03:22 PM
More iofo on toll...

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/thousands-roam-tokyo-streets-massive-tsunami-devastates-region/# (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/thousands-roam-tokyo-streets-massive-tsunami-devastates-region/#)

And a train unaccounted for!   ::speechless::

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japanese-passenger-train-unaccounted-powerful-earthquake/# (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/11/japanese-passenger-train-unaccounted-powerful-earthquake/#)

God be with them!

 ::praying::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
I can't recall - is Japan  one of the ones where Øbongo humiliated himself by bowing to, or is it one of the ones he insulted with inappropriate gifts?
I think those things go hand in hand.

No, he bows to despots, monarchs, and rulers of totalitarian regimes. He sends inappropriate gifts to his enemies.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 02:04:36 PM
We can kiss goodbye any chance of new nuke plants in the USA because of the problems they are having today in Japan.

It should have to be that way!  Lessons learned and all, improved redundant systems and construction designs.  Plus, not all areas are quake zones!   ::angry::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 02:05:08 PM
I can't recall - is Japan  one of the ones where Øbongo humiliated himself by bowing to, or is it one of the ones he insulted with inappropriate gifts?
I think those things go hand in hand.

No, he bows to despots, monarchs, and rulers of totalitarian regimes. He sends inappropriate gifts to his enemies.

That, sadly, is the way he is!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 02:05:13 PM
USGS reporting that a rift has opened at the quake site 150 miles long by 50 feet miles wide...via FNC on their ticker.


What the hell does that even mean? A new underwater Grand Canyon? Good Lord.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:06:36 PM
HONOLULU –  Tsunami waves swamped Hawaii beaches and severely damaged harbors in California after devastating Japan and sparking evacuations throughout the Pacific.

Water rushed up on roadways and into hotel lobbies on the Big Island and low-lying areas in Maui were flooded as 7-foot waves crashed ashore. Large waves also hit the U.S. western coast, shaking loose boats that weren't moved in time and tearing apart wooden docks in at least two California harbors.

"This is just devastating. I never thought I'd see this again," said Ted Scott, a retired mill worker who lived in Crescent City when a 1964 tsunami killed 17 people on the West Coast, including 11 in his town. "I watched the docks bust apart. It buckled like a graham cracker."

The waves didn't make it over a 20-foot break wall protecting the rest of the city, and no serious injuries or home damage was immediately reported.

LINK (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/11/tsunami-swamps-hawaii-shores-damages-calif-bays/)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 02:07:17 PM
I can't recall - is Japan  one of the ones where Øbongo humiliated himself by bowing to, or is it one of the ones he insulted with inappropriate gifts?
I think those things go hand in hand.

No, he bows to despots, monarchs, and rulers of totalitarian regimes. He sends inappropriate gifts to his enemies.

That, sadly, is the way he is!

Yup. To his really bad enemies he sends gifts back, ditches them at White House dinners, and sends them out the back door by the garbage dumpster.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:08:07 PM
USGS reporting that a rift has opened at the quake site 150 miles long by 50 feet miles wide...via FNC on their ticker.


What the hell does that even mean? A new underwater Grand Canyon? Good Lord.

I assume they are talking about the ocean floor and this is, as I understand it, the sort of thing that results in the type of water displacement necessary to create a giant tsunami.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:10:01 PM
Sunrise in Japan in about an hour, according to CNN, so expect new pics and vid of widespread devastation to hit the MFM shortly.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2011, 02:12:04 PM
I have to believe the damage is not just in the billions, it has to be cresting a trillion!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:13:45 PM
Stunning slide show (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/11/world/asia/20110311_japan.html?ref=asia#1) at the NYT's site.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:14:49 PM
I have to believe the damage is not just in the billions, it has to be cresting a trillion!

At least in this situation, the destruction of a trillion dollars of wealth was not on purpose like it was in the USA.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:17:58 PM
LINK (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4%22)

[blockquote]WASHINGTON (AP) — A massive earthquake that struck off the coast of Japan Friday was the strongest quake in the area in nearly 1,200 years.

David Applegate, a senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards for the U.S. Geological Survey, said the 8.9-magnitude quake ruptured a patch of the earth's crust 150 miles long and 50 miles across.

He said the earthquake, which also spawned a massive tsunami that hit Japan before racing across the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii and the West Coast of the United States, likely caused tens of billions of dollars in structural damage in Japan.

Laura K. Furgione, deputy director for the National Weather Service, said the tsunami first hit Hawaii early Friday morning. An 8.1-foot wave destroyed piers and docks in Crescent City, Calif., later Friday.[/blockquote]

Japan Earthquake (????) Live Video : Tsunami wipes out airport (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeJinkzoU5U#)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 02:21:19 PM
LINK (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4%22)

[blockquote]WASHINGTON (AP) — A massive earthquake that struck off the coast of Japan Friday was the strongest quake in the area in nearly 1,200 years.

David Applegate, a senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards for the U.S. Geological Survey, said the 8.9-magnitude quake ruptured a patch of the earth's crust 150 miles long and 50 miles across.

He said the earthquake, which also spawned a massive tsunami that hit Japan before racing across the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii and the West Coast of the United States, likely caused tens of billions of dollars in structural damage in Japan.

Laura K. Furgione, deputy director for the National Weather Service, said the tsunami first hit Hawaii early Friday morning. An 8.1-foot wave destroyed piers and docks in Crescent City, Calif., later Friday.[/blockquote]


Any word yet on U.S. military disaster assistance yet?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:21:53 PM
Another slide show. (http://news.discovery.com/earth/tsunami-japan-slideshow-110311.html)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:22:41 PM
LINK (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4%22)

[blockquote]WASHINGTON (AP) — A massive earthquake that struck off the coast of Japan Friday was the strongest quake in the area in nearly 1,200 years.

David Applegate, a senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards for the U.S. Geological Survey, said the 8.9-magnitude quake ruptured a patch of the earth's crust 150 miles long and 50 miles across.

He said the earthquake, which also spawned a massive tsunami that hit Japan before racing across the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii and the West Coast of the United States, likely caused tens of billions of dollars in structural damage in Japan.

Laura K. Furgione, deputy director for the National Weather Service, said the tsunami first hit Hawaii early Friday morning. An 8.1-foot wave destroyed piers and docks in Crescent City, Calif., later Friday.[/blockquote]


Any word yet on U.S. military disaster assistance yet?

The rumor is that France is leading the world.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
LINK (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hTCtRxP_xkFQ2pfP3VmawSMJ4L5w?docId=9ab580866b31403993cced11f67c16b4%22)

[blockquote]WASHINGTON (AP) — A massive earthquake that struck off the coast of Japan Friday was the strongest quake in the area in nearly 1,200 years.

David Applegate, a senior science adviser for earthquake and geologic hazards for the U.S. Geological Survey, said the 8.9-magnitude quake ruptured a patch of the earth's crust 150 miles long and 50 miles across.

He said the earthquake, which also spawned a massive tsunami that hit Japan before racing across the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii and the West Coast of the United States, likely caused tens of billions of dollars in structural damage in Japan.

Laura K. Furgione, deputy director for the National Weather Service, said the tsunami first hit Hawaii early Friday morning. An 8.1-foot wave destroyed piers and docks in Crescent City, Calif., later Friday.[/blockquote]


Any word yet on U.S. military disaster assistance yet?

The rumor is that France is leading the world.

The leader of the free world's First Lady is a BABE!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 11, 2011, 02:25:43 PM
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Hey, anyone up for some "end of the world as we know it" stuff?

Dogs and cats, living together!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0


Geologists also know that one of the islands of the Azores is eventually going to break in half, with part of it falling into the Atlantic Ocean. It will generate a tsunami that inundates the entire eastern seaboard of North America with waves potentially 100 feet or more in height. Over 20 miles inland will be under seawater.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
A video of the destruction recorded with commentary recorded live as it happened...

Tsunami japan 2011 eartquake 8.9 complete footage (7 minutes) .avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0Tx55rwek#)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
Very dramatic (low res) airborne video of tsunami sweeping across well populated area. You can see vehicles attempting to race away from the water while a few, oblivious to the danger, actually are driving toward the oncoming wall of water.


Earthquake and Tsunami Japan 2011 March 11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydnv2xo9Ndw#ws)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 02:45:35 PM
YAHOO.COM - An 8.9 magnitude earthquake off the coast of Northeast Japan spawned a ferocious tsunami that's caused massive destruction; flattening whole cities, starting raging fires, and killing hundreds. Nearly 88,000 people are reported missing, according to the official Kyodo news agency. (http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=14234557)

Good news...


Oil prices are down because Japan is predicted to not need all that much for the foreseeable future.


Bad news...


Losing the world's number three economy is NOT a good thing.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 11, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
I think we should take a moment to say a prayer for the people missing and hurt! ::praying::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 03:00:35 PM
FNC is now reporting that Toyota has ceased all production for the foreseeable future. This is what an economic shutdown looks like. Unless things miraculously turn around pretty damn quick the effects of this mess will be VERY far reaching.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 11, 2011, 03:31:05 PM
I think we should take a moment to say a prayer for the people missing and hurt! ::praying::

Well said
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 11, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
Now they have a nuclear powerplant leaking 1000 times what would be considered safe. It seems they have a cooling problem at the plant. Like they don't have enough problems.Which I'm sure will cause our leader to rethink power plants.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 11, 2011, 04:15:56 PM
Yeah this is not good for the nuclear power argument. Part of our societal problem, which I think goes hand-in-hand with liberalism's infantilization of the population, is an underlying assumption that a completely risk-free existence is possible. This will be used like Three Mile Island to put the kibosh on expansion of nuclear energy, even though it is statistically an exceptionally rare event. The mature analysis acknowledges that our way of life requires feasible sources of energy, and that none of them are without their own unique risks. The risks are small, manageable, and outweighed by the enormous benefits of the energy supplied.

But that's not how it works in an emotive, 10-second sound bite world.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 04:45:24 PM
The video media is reporting that as many as four trains have vanished. A lot of train tracks are severely damaged over a huge area of the country making train travel virtually impossible.

This goes a long way toward the argument that high speed rail isn't such a great idea. People come to rely on rail for everyday transportation to the exclusion of other alternatives. Well, now they are truly boned. No more transportation. And unlike roads, which are difficult enough to repair, rail is extremely difficult to repair so it will be a very long time before people, goods and services begin to move about the country the way that they used to.

It will be interesting to see if Japan (even with help) will be able to respond to this emergency fast enough to prevent further losses from disease and food/water related issues. When you have a disaster this big, this comprehensive it becomes something that no amount of human intervention can adequately alleviate. The infrastructure in Japan is complex, intricate and highly interdependent so there will be a chain reaction effect for just about everything you can think of.

Something else that is being discussed now that the sun has come up is that there are vast areas of Japan where the water is not receding. The conclusion is that the coastline has permanently been changed.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 11, 2011, 06:10:00 PM
I've been reading some of your comments, trap, and I think you're exactly right about the magnitude of this disaster.  It will have worldwide reverberations and repercussions.  It's really the last thing anybody needed right now.

Japan is also heavily in debt, which will make finding the money to rebuild problematic.

I think this will turn out to be the costliest natural disaster in history in terms of property and infrastructure damage.  Fortunately, not in terms of casualties.  Japan is a First World country, and advanced societies tend not to have massive loss of life in disasters.  They have state-of-the-art warning systems, communications, first responders, hospitals, building codes, and so on.  A disaster of this scale in a poor country like Bangladesh could easily kill a million people.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 11, 2011, 06:23:36 PM
I just can't get over a brand new 150 mile long by 50 mile wide fissure in the ocean floor that wasn't there yesterday. The thought of it blows my mind.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 11, 2011, 06:37:56 PM
I just saw this comment by Subotai Bahadur (http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/03/11/who-was-godzilla/#comment-148269) at Belmont Club.  He is the best blog commenter on the entire Internet in my opinion.

Quote
Last night I and my family were more concerned with the safety of a nephew and his family who are on southern Honshu, and with watching the devastation unfold near Sendai. Family is safe and unharmed, one grandniece felt the quakes being farther north at a soccer event, but otherwise no problem there. Now there is time to think of the implications of the damage.

1) There is the matter of the loss of lives and property. As of an hour ago, they were saying 88,000 missing and hundreds known dead. After watching the tsunami come ashore, I fear that almost all the missing are lost, and there are probably an equal number that we do not know about.

2) Our Navy is on the way. The REAGAN Battle Group was en-route to Korea and has been re-routed to Japan.

3) The damage is probably going to be ¥ billions. After the rescue, comes the reconstitution. The Japanese economy is the best case we can hope for in the future. Yeah, that bad. And it is going to get worse. A large portion of the loss is going to have to be covered by an insurance and financial industry that does not have it. In the last few months, Japanese banks and insurance industry has been investing heavily in the European sovereign debt equivalent of junk bonds. Last I looked, Greek 2 year bonds were paying a 17% return in the unlikely event that they can be redeemed. Such redemption is dependent on being able to sell more bonds to roll the debt over. The whole Greek thing, in Spain, Portugal, Ireland, and Italy [as a beginning] is underpinned by German guarantees extorted by the EU.

The Japanese companies holding those bonds need to dump them for ready cash, which will destroy the EU bond market. The PIIGS countries stand a good chance of being forced into the defaults have been dodging for years. Which means that the German banks will be left on the hook, as will the EU. The quake off of Honshu may end up leveling the financial districts of Berlin and Brussels; and destroying the Euro.

3) Just in time supply chains are a two edged sword. Around the world, and especially here; how many custom components needed for manufacturing are only available from Japan, and how many of those are not available either because the source has been destroyed, utilities are down, or because the transportation system to move it is not operational for an extended time? What effect will that have on production of items here and elsewhere, along with jobs? What secondary effects?


And while the transportation and utilities are down, how will parts needed in Japan going to be able get to where they are needed for the factories still operating? What ripple effects will it have on their economy?

If we are using the same measures as during the “Great Depression”, we are in a Depression. And we are simultaneously in the middle of a worldwide shortfall of food grains.

I believe that the concepts of tipping points and overflowing engagement queues have been mentioned here before.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 11, 2011, 07:46:59 PM
Here is a seven-minute video of the tsunami hitting Sendai.  Shorter versions have been widely shown, but this is the longest version I've been able to find.  Note the cars attempting to flee.

http://www.vgtv.no/#id=38263 (http://www.vgtv.no/#id=38263)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 11, 2011, 08:38:35 PM
I just can't get over a brand new 150 mile long by 50 mile wide fissure in the ocean floor that wasn't there yesterday. The thought of it blows my mind.


 


Hours after a massive earthquake rattled Japan, environmental advocates connected the natural disaster to global warming. The president of the European Economic and Social Committee, Staffan Nilsson, issued a statement calling for solidarity in tackling the global warming problem.



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/some-respond-to-japan-earthquake-by-pointing-to-global-warming/#ixzz1GLhjuNLt (http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/some-respond-to-japan-earthquake-by-pointing-to-global-warming/#ixzz1GLhjuNLt)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:43:17 PM
I just can't get over a brand new 150 mile long by 50 mile wide fissure in the ocean floor that wasn't there yesterday. The thought of it blows my mind.

Someone at AceOfSpades was using the state of New Jersey as a scale to illustrate the area in square miles. New Jersey is a little bigger than the rift. This sort of thing happens all of the time, geologically speaking. Which means every so many hundred or thousand years. Someone on the FNC mentioned that there is one off of the coast of Washington/Oregon which is getting very close to being due. Good chance of it snapping in the next fifty to one hundred years.

This is all about plate tectonics, a relatively new area of geology, the theories largely thrown together and having become accepted science within our lifetimes. Here is a quote from wikipedia: (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics)

[blockquote]The lithosphere is broken up into what are called "tectonic plates". In the case of the Earth, there are currently seven to eight major (depending on how they are defined) and many minor plates. The lithospheric plates ride on the asthenosphere. These plates move in relation to one another at one of three types of plate boundaries: convergent, or collisional boundaries; divergent boundaries, also called spreading centers; and conservative transform boundaries. Earthquakes, volcanic activity, mountain-building, and oceanic trench formation occur along these plate boundaries. The lateral relative movement of the plates varies, though it is typically 0–100 mm annually.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8a/Plates_tect2_en.svg/800px-Plates_tect2_en.svg.png)
[/blockquote]

Yesterday's quake and tsunami are the result of the Pacific plate pushing against the North American plate (note the two red arrows in the upper left corner of the above illustration). The tension builds and builds until one plate snaps up and away from the other with zillions of tons of explosive energy released in the form of an earthquake. The displaced earth (in this case on the sea floor) is what causes the immediate formation of a killer wave. People and property that are inconveniently in the way are scrubbed from the earth's surface in an extremely efficient way. Only a major asteroid or comet strike is worse (see the Yucatan Penninsula) and have been referred to as "dinosaur killers." In addition to the tsunami created by an asteroid strike you have the weeks/months/years of global overcast (extreme cold/ice age) and Noah's ark-style flooding from all of the water vapor that is generated by the kinetic energy of the impact. Plant life dies first followed by animal life shortly thereafter.

Events such as these underscore the concept that life is fleeting.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 11, 2011, 08:47:15 PM
I just can't get over a brand new 150 mile long by 50 mile wide fissure in the ocean floor that wasn't there yesterday. The thought of it blows my mind.

Hours after a massive earthquake rattled Japan, environmental advocates connected the natural disaster to global warming. The president of the European Economic and Social Committee, Staffan Nilsson, issued a statement calling for solidarity in tackling the global warming problem.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/some-respond-to-japan-earthquake-by-pointing-to-global-warming/#ixzz1GLhjuNLt (http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/some-respond-to-japan-earthquake-by-pointing-to-global-warming/#ixzz1GLhjuNLt)


Re: rickl #90

That sounds quite possible.  And these political idiots, how many dominoes have to fall before they are locked in the basement with Ross Perot's crazy aunt?

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 11, 2011, 08:47:56 PM
Huh.  I didn't realize that Japan was part of the North American plate.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:54:43 PM
Huh.  I didn't realize that Japan was part of the North American plate.

The Pacific plate is the largest part of the "ring of fire" that surrounds the Pacific Ocean. Lots and lots of seismic and volcanic activity in that big circle.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Pacific_Ring_of_Fire.svg/796px-Pacific_Ring_of_Fire.svg.png])
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 11, 2011, 08:57:05 PM

So, part of Japan just slid (subducted) under the Pacific plate?

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:57:24 PM
I just saw this comment by Subotai Bahadur (http://pajamasmedia.com/richardfernandez/2011/03/11/who-was-godzilla/#comment-148269) at Belmont Club.  He is the best blog commenter on the entire Internet in my opinion.




I think that Bahadur is maybe even underestimating the problem a bit.

Long term the big loser in all of this is, of course, Japan. The world will not stand still while Japan rebuilds its industry, energy and transportation systems. Someone or several someones will step up to fill the gap (China/Korea come to mind) and then Japan will have to compete with them in a catch up fashion as they struggle to put their house back together.



Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 08:59:34 PM

So, part of Japan just slid (subducted) under the Pacific plate?



I would have to look it up to see which slid under the other but that is the gist of it. If I remember how it was described to me, there are volcanic rifts in the middle of the ocean that are continually forming new plate material and it pushes outward a few millimeters a year until something on the other end lets go.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 11, 2011, 09:16:27 PM
HotAir is posting a "coming nuclear disaster" (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/11/oh-boy-radiation-levels-soaring-at-damaged-japanese-nuclear-plant-pressure-out-of-control/) thread which is sobering.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 11, 2011, 09:53:29 PM

So, part of Japan just slid (subducted) under the Pacific plate?



I think it's the other way around.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 11, 2011, 10:05:48 PM

Been reading and that's what it seems.  But the water is not running off.
~~~~~~~

The Hot Air report seems a bit hysterical.  Using Hillary and Reuters as primary sources is, ah, words fail me.  The officials as the scene seem to be much more practical.  And the US Navy is on the way, we know will will get them power for the generartors and hopefully they will have some nuclear engineers with them.

This is not meant to undercut the first rate Japanese professionals but in a situation such as this extra help can be a plus.  They take great pride in their skill and may it be reflected in the quality of work applied in the design and construction of these facilities.

As JF said, prayers are in order.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2011, 10:44:48 PM
Just scuttlebutt, fwiw:  heard a caller to Levin's show tonight, military nuclear experience and private sector nuclear experience and what he passed on was that these plants, even the older ones, are built to contain; they'll be no Chernobyl.  The plants will be destroyed, yes, but not explosive or "reactive".
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 12, 2011, 01:03:02 AM
HotAir is now posting a reactor meltdown thread. (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/12/report-meltdown-at-japan-reactor-may-be-underway/) Wondering how things can possibly get any worse.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 01:28:22 AM
It Could Be Worse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM#)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 12, 2011, 06:44:59 AM
Then again ....

Huge blast at Japan nuclear power plant (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 12, 2011, 06:47:18 AM
Let's be optimistic for just a minute. The nuclear plant is stabilized, but inoperative. That would be the good news. Now the bad: Japan has a nuke plant or two (or three) off-line and need of serious, hugely expensive repair.

Got insurance for dat?

My considered opinion is that the largest cost of this disaster is going to be the repair of Japan's nuke plants. IF the public is interested in that option. The alternative is a quick upgrade of Japan's existing coal and oil fired generation plants. There is nothing good about this situation.

Look at these facilities. Looks like they are all near the ocean. (They all need water to operate the turbines, Nuke, gas, coal and oil.)

http://www.industcards.com/st-coal-japan.htm (http://www.industcards.com/st-coal-japan.htm)

Oil and gas-fired plants:
http://www.industcards.com/st-other-japan.htm (http://www.industcards.com/st-other-japan.htm)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 08:40:04 AM
HotAir is now posting a reactor meltdown thread. (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/12/report-meltdown-at-japan-reactor-may-be-underway/) Wondering how things can possibly get any worse.

From a comment on that HotAir thread, before and after views of the Sendai area:

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/Japan_tmo_2011057_721.jpg)

(http://images.spaceref.com/news/2011/Japan_tmo_2011071_721.jpg)

Link (http://www.onorbit.com/node/3085)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 10:08:53 AM
Rescuing survivors in Kesennuma City, Miyagi Prefecture.  What the hell is that thing?  It looks like a giant plastic milk crate.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/03/12/article-0-0D94BCA8000005DC-9_472x425.jpg)

Link (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1365546/Japan-earthquake-pictures-Devastation-rescue-workers-fight-fires-search-survivors.html)

Get a load of the other pictures at that link.  There's an F-16 in someone's backyard.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 12, 2011, 10:29:43 AM
I'm of the "C'mon people; let's go.  Let's get this mess cleaned up" mentality and I would have no earthly idea where to start doing so at some of the places there.  What a disaster!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 10:44:45 AM
I've been reading the comments (over 700) at this Ace of Spades thread.  There are some actual nuclear engineers like Vic and Sandy Salt who have been contributing their knowledge and expertise, while also mocking the sensational cluelessness of the MSM reporting.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/313275.php (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/313275.php)

There's also a new thread up that says the containment vessel has not been breached.  Obviously there are serious problems at that reactor, but it is by no means another Chernobyl.

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/313279.php (http://ace.mu.nu/archives/313279.php)

Keep in mind that this is the strongest earthquake to hit Japan in 1200 years (I forget where I saw that), and the affected reactor is 40 years old.  This is way beyond anything it was designed to withstand, and it's holding together fairly well so far.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 12, 2011, 11:06:42 AM
This is why I love the internet; it's the virtual "free market" of information; even with all the bullsh i t, there are those who know the subject/issue and it is from them, not some dumbass AP "reporter", that one can get a true picture of almost anything.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 12, 2011, 11:26:02 AM

So, part of Japan just slid (subducted) under the Pacific plate?



I would have to look it up to see which slid under the other but that is the gist of it. If I remember how it was described to me, there are volcanic rifts in the middle of the ocean that are continually forming new plate material and it pushes outward a few millimeters a year until something on the other end lets go.


The Mid-Atlantic Ridge is the most productive source of new crust, it's pushing outward. Some distant day in the future the Atlantic Ocean will be larger than the Pacific Ocean.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2011, 12:19:53 PM
Japan's coast has moved (looks more dramatic in those sat pics) and the planets axis shifted another 4 inches (did Peru only move it 1 inch?).

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html?hpt=T1 (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/12/japan.earthquake.tsunami.earth/index.html?hpt=T1)

Miyagi (6 miles in) and 9500 people are missing!

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77165.html (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77165.html)

Another 10k missing in another town!

http://www.iwradio.co.uk/newscentre/world/japan-quake-bodies-found-by-military-15950904 (http://www.iwradio.co.uk/newscentre/world/japan-quake-bodies-found-by-military-15950904)

They said on Fox a bit ago that the reactor may have had its outer containment breached but not the inner...next 24 hours will determine if they have it under control or not.  I think some are getting nuke-fever and over-hyping this without knowing all the facts.  We'll know by tomorrow.

In the meantime, prayers and assistance are what is needed there!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 12, 2011, 01:50:22 PM
I agree that the MFM are hyping the nuke stuff. They live to terrorize the ill informed and easily duped.

Not that what's happening isn't serious. It is. But Chernobyl (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster) this isn't. Not even close. Not yet, anyway.

As to the earth's axis changing by 4 inches I would like to hear an explanation as to how that can be caused by an earthquake. And, just for fun and because I enjoy twisting the eco-weenies' tails, did the shift improve or make worse the catastrophic global warming situation?

If the people in Japan weren't in the midst of an unimaginable horror story, it would be interesting to ask them if they believe global warming is the biggest threat to their existence. I'm guessing that it would now be rather far down on their list of existential threats.

I have been very skeptical of the casualty figures that have been reported. I don't know why they are so low. I am aware that the Japanese plan for and drill for earthquake disasters and that has certainly contributed to the low numbers in the areas outside of the coasts. But...having seen the aerial vids, it is difficult to imagine that there aren't tens of thousands of deaths directly related to the tsunami. I do not see how you can escape when you have so little warning and there is no high ground in close proximity to the coast. I truly do not see how the death toll will not be in the many tens of thousands. I hope that I am wrong.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 02:01:36 PM
Even if the death toll is 100,000 it won't be close to the 2004 tsunami or last year's Haiti earthquake.  I think there were floods in China in the 1930s that killed 500,000 or more.  Japan is a First World country, and that fact alone will keep the death toll far below a comparable disaster in a Third World country.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 12, 2011, 02:12:38 PM
I would agree with that. However, the population density is not an insignificant factor. Nor is the weather...it's cold there and exposure will be an issue in survivability for those who have not yet been recovered. Nor is the complete breakdown of transportation...large areas of northern Japan are currently only reachable by helicopter. Nor is the lack of power...people who have observed the country from the air at night have reported that the northern area is completely dark.

So, no, it isn't Haiti. But it's very bad, nonetheless.

Right now they are in a state of triage, just trying to stop the nuclear emergency, put out fires and rescue as many survivors as possible.The long term problems are too many to list.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 02:24:46 PM
Nor is the lack of power...people who have observed the country from the air at night have reported that the northern area is completely dark.

I was thinking about that.  We've all seen the famous satellite photo of North and South Korea.

(http://www.voiceofnorthkorea.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dprkdark.jpg)


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So, no, it isn't Haiti. But it's very bad, nonetheless.

Right now they are in a state of triage, just trying to stop the nuclear emergency, put out fires and rescue as many survivors as possible.The long term problems are too many to list.

Absolutely.  This is the worst natural disaster in history...by every measure except loss of life.  It will be very bad, but nowhere close to #1.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 12, 2011, 02:27:28 PM
I also note a conspicuous absence of any large scale criminal activity. Compare and contrast with New Orleans.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 02:39:09 PM
I also note a conspicuous absence of any large scale criminal activity. Compare and contrast with New Orleans.

That was mentioned on one of the AoS threads I linked earlier.  One commenter said, "Where's the picture of the guy walking down the flooded street with the homemade raft full of looted sake?"

Another linked to this photo (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Huge-Japan-quake-spawns-tsunami/ss/events/wl/031111japanquake/im:/110312/ids_photos_wl/r3411730832.jpg/) of violence and disorder at a shelter.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 12, 2011, 02:45:29 PM
...As to the earth's axis changing by 4 inches I would like to hear an explanation as to how that can be caused by an earthquake. And, just for fun and because I enjoy twisting the eco-weenies' tails, did the shift improve or make worse the catastrophic global warming situation?...

You already know the answer Trap. Of course, it made it worse. Infinitely worse. And if we don't impose draconian socialism immediately, the consequences will be unimaginable.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 12, 2011, 02:51:03 PM
...As to the earth's axis changing by 4 inches I would like to hear an explanation as to how that can be caused by an earthquake. And, just for fun and because I enjoy twisting the eco-weenies' tails, did the shift improve or make worse the catastrophic global warming situation?...

You already know the answer Trap. Of course, it made it worse. Infinitely worse. And if we don't impose draconian socialism immediately, the consequences will be unimaginable.

Help us Al Gore! You're our only hope!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0qiiC66GY9E/S3beUVLZK9I/AAAAAAAAANg/aebulYSBnok/s400/prophet_gore.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 12, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
You can't make it up. HT: HotAir...

Tectonic Warming (http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 12, 2011, 02:54:20 PM
You can't make it up. HT: HotAir...

Tectonic Warming (http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/)

Everyone FLEE to the bat cave!!!

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/tiredoflaundry/zot/special-moonbat.jpg)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 12, 2011, 03:17:01 PM
Karl Denninger has a post up at the Market Ticker:

On The Japanese Quake and Tsunami (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182139)

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The reality of our modern life is that we must have energy production if we intend to have a vibrant economy.  All forms of energy production come with risk, whether it's due to the risk of chemical exposure in various forms or radiation.  When these systems operate normally they do not harm people, but industrial accidents happen, even without the forcing factor of Mother Nature coming into play.

We must accept these risks if we are to enjoy our modern way of life.  Despite the ongoing challenges in Japan today, I would fully support a nuclear power plant being constructed 10 miles upwind of my home, just as I fully supported offshore drilling out my back window even after the BP well disaster.  We have no right in this country to demand consumption of resources we are unwilling to develop ourselves, and for which we are unwilling to accept the risks.

I choose both the risks and the rewards, and strongly urge others to do so as well.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 12, 2011, 03:39:34 PM
Karl Denninger has a post up at the Market Ticker:

On The Japanese Quake and Tsunami (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182139)

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The reality of our modern life is that we must have energy production if we intend to have a vibrant economy.  All forms of energy production come with risk, whether it's due to the risk of chemical exposure in various forms or radiation.  When these systems operate normally they do not harm people, but industrial accidents happen, even without the forcing factor of Mother Nature coming into play.

We must accept these risks if we are to enjoy our modern way of life.  Despite the ongoing challenges in Japan today, I would fully support a nuclear power plant being constructed 10 miles upwind of my home, just as I fully supported offshore drilling out my back window even after the BP well disaster.  We have no right in this country to demand consumption of resources we are unwilling to develop ourselves, and for which we are unwilling to accept the risks.

I choose both the risks and the rewards, and strongly urge others to do so as well.


As a local radio host I used to listen to was fond of saying, "Life... is dangerous."
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2011, 05:03:24 PM
Karl Denninger has a post up at the Market Ticker:

On The Japanese Quake and Tsunami (http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=182139)

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The reality of our modern life is that we must have energy production if we intend to have a vibrant economy.  All forms of energy production come with risk, whether it's due to the risk of chemical exposure in various forms or radiation.  When these systems operate normally they do not harm people, but industrial accidents happen, even without the forcing factor of Mother Nature coming into play.

We must accept these risks if we are to enjoy our modern way of life.  Despite the ongoing challenges in Japan today, I would fully support a nuclear power plant being constructed 10 miles upwind of my home, just as I fully supported offshore drilling out my back window even after the BP well disaster.  We have no right in this country to demand consumption of resources we are unwilling to develop ourselves, and for which we are unwilling to accept the risks.

I choose both the risks and the rewards, and strongly urge others to do so as well.


As a local radio host I used to listen to was fond of saying, "Life... is dangerous."

Heh.  I am an old Garage Logician too.  (They still play that clip once in a while!)

But we all know the Left sure as hell makes life a hell of a lot more dangerous than it otherwise fracking has to be!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2011, 05:09:12 PM
Jeesh.  Even Fox is going apenuts on the nuclear scare.  It's all over their front page!

http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

The more this gets hyped, the more Trap's prediction will be a reality.  It will really make sober relevant discussions on nuclear energy exponentially difficult.  Hard to divorce emoting types from their hysteria!

 ::gaah::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 12, 2011, 05:46:57 PM
Jeesh.  Even Fox is going apenuts on the nuclear scare.  It's all over their front page!

http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

The more this gets hyped, the more Trap's prediction will be a reality.  It will really make sober relevant discussions on nuclear energy exponentially difficult.  Hard to divorce emoting types from their hysteria!

 ::gaah::

 Start buying candles and generators NOW. BP stopped drilling cold. This will stop any construction of nuclear power plants into the next century if this asshat of a president has his way.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2011, 05:58:33 PM
 ::gaah::

I say we skip the preliminaries are go right to the main showdown!

 ::cussing::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 12, 2011, 08:05:04 PM
Drudge has headlined (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77230.html) that a sixth reactor has lost its cooling capability. I think that we will probably know within the next 24 to 48 hours whether or not this is going to be a big deal. By big deal I mean something in severity between Three Mile Island and Chernobyl. Three Mile Island was a partial reactor core meltdown and there have been statements made that seem to indicate the Japanese reactors in question may have already passed that marker. The explosion was from hydrogen located outside of the containment vessel. If the containment vessel(s) is/are breached then we have something closer to resembling Chernobyl.

Japan Earthquake : Fukushima Nuclear Plant Explosion AS IT HAPPENED 12/03/2011 - Raw Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17vPBLqt7H8#ws)

As Vice President Dimwit would say, "That's a big f'ing explosion."
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 12, 2011, 08:10:13 PM
Then prayer are in order!! Millions at risk.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 13, 2011, 06:56:30 AM
Japan's population is 127 million. ( see http://www.bing.com/apps/geography/search?domain=geography&loadExperience=1&q=population+japan&qpvt=population+japan (http://www.bing.com/apps/geography/search?domain=geography&loadExperience=1&q=population+japan&qpvt=population+japan) ) At the present time, the loss to life there is estimated at 10,000. I think it will certainly rise to 20,000.

Imagine a proportional disaster in the U.S. resulting in casualties of around 49,000. This is not quite biblical proportions, but a huge loss just the same.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 13, 2011, 08:55:56 AM
..."That's a big f'ing explosion."

Explosions at nuclear plants is just one o' those things you never wanna see happen. You have to start dreadfully praying for best-case scenarios at that point.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: hemm on March 13, 2011, 08:58:13 AM
I haven't posted much if at all on this thread.........

I guess I am still shocked at the magnitude of the destruction. Hard to put that into words for me........

The potential for more damage and destruction seems to be going up instead of down.

 

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 13, 2011, 09:01:27 AM
Before and after photos of the areas hit by the tsunami. (https://picasaweb.google.com/118079222830783600944/Japan?feat=directlink#5583300886323486834)

/hat tip Tami at AoS

Yes, hemm, I've noticed that many of the blogs I visit have been strangely quiet this weekend.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 13, 2011, 09:56:18 AM
Oh, for crying out loud. (http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article965229.ece/Japanese-volcano-erupts)

A commenter at AoS said yesterday, "Japan has hit for the cycle with disasters."
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 13, 2011, 11:38:19 AM

Tangentially, an interactive map of nuke plants in US.  There are also links to a world map.  Didn't know we had so many.

http://www.insc.anl.gov/pwrmaps/map/north_america.php (http://www.insc.anl.gov/pwrmaps/map/north_america.php)


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 12:05:43 PM

Tangentially, an interactive map of nuke plants in US.  There are also links to a world map.  Didn't know we had so many.

http://www.insc.anl.gov/pwrmaps/map/north_america.php (http://www.insc.anl.gov/pwrmaps/map/north_america.php)




Many are deactivated, but you have to click on the dots to find that out.  For example, In MN, we only have Monticello & Prairie Island in operation.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 13, 2011, 12:08:58 PM

Typical commie liming misinformation.

 
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 12:12:34 PM
Oh, for crying out loud. (http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article965229.ece/Japanese-volcano-erupts)

A commenter at AoS said yesterday, "Japan has hit for the cycle with disasters."

Really.  Japan is getting hammered with everything.

Some background on this area...

http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=0802-09= (http://www.volcano.si.edu/world/volcano.cfm?vnum=0802-09=)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 12:14:06 PM
This is pretty bizarre...found 10 miles out...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/japan-tsunami-survivor-shinkawa-rescued-fukushima (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/13/japan-tsunami-survivor-shinkawa-rescued-fukushima)

Lucky dude!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE & TSUNAMI STRIKES JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 13, 2011, 01:46:44 PM
Was reading the comments last night at Ace and the people who were sounding like nuke industry experts were saying that a lot (if not all) of the negative commentary you are hearing in the media is from anti-nuke activists rather than from nuke engineers and scientists. They were especially critical of Drudge for putting up all of the doom and gloom headlines that were direct links to anti-nuke activists.

This is not to say that what's going on in Japan with their nukes isn't serious. It is. But this is not (yet) a big effing deal.

But the MFM will continue to act in character. Which is to say they will be promoting anti-US, anti-growth, anti-capitalism, anti-conservative and especially anti-nuke propaganda.

Just remember, Jane Fonda is responsible for more American deaths than the US nuke industry and that fact isn't likely to change any time soon.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI AND NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 13, 2011, 01:51:14 PM
And now, no joke, it gets worse (http://www.timeslive.co.za/world/article965229.ece/Japanese-volcano-erupts): A volcano erupts in southern Japan.

[blockquote]
A volcano in southwestern Japan erupted Sunday after nearly two weeks of relative silence, sending ash and rocks up to four kilometres (two and a half miles) into the air, a local official says.

It was not immediately clear if the eruption was a direct result of the massive 8.9-magnitude earthquake that rocked northern areas Friday, unleashing a fierce tsunami and sparking fears that more than 10,000 may have been killed.

The 1,421-metre (4,689-feet) Shinmoedake volcano in the Kirishima range saw its first major eruption for 52 years in January. There had not been any major activity at the site since March 1.[/blockquote]

Seems like we were just wondering how things could possibly get worse for Japan. At least Mount Fuji is still quiet. For now.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 13, 2011, 02:04:22 PM
Man Japan is really getting kicked in the teeth by Mother Nature. It is, after all, located right on the Pacific Ring of Fire, so this is not entirely unexpected. It's quite possible that the same seismic activity that resulted in the earthquake also resulted in the volcano eruption.

While the situation with their nuclear reactors is dangerous, I don't think we're looking at a Chernobyl-type disaster. Western reactor designs (and I think you can count Japan as "Western" for this purpose) have failsafes that shut down the reaction by default. The main problem going on in Japan is that hydrogen gas pooled between the inner steel and outer concrete containment walls, and exploded resulting in damage to the outer wall.

The Chernobyl design had these notable deficiencies:


If the Japanese successfully get this under control it may actually have a positive effect on public opinion of nuclear energy, because Japan's reactors will have absorbed the brunt of a perfect storm and not gone Chernobyl.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 13, 2011, 02:18:53 PM
I'm watching BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698) streamed over the Internet and one thing (among many others) that they are reporting is that the Japanese will soon begin to experience rolling blackouts due to a lack of generator capacity nationwide. They are expecting the blackouts to last three hours at a time and that this will go on for many weeks.

The Japanese economy is not shut down but it is in the process of shutting down. Each one of these things adds to the burden that the Japanese economy must labor under. A volcanic eruption with its large plume of abrasive ash will be yet one more thing that will slow things down. They can only hope that Obama does not decide to make aid to Japan a personal priority. The last thing that they need is for Toonces to focus like a laser beam on this tragedy.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: hemm on March 13, 2011, 02:22:48 PM
I am still a bit in shock from it all I guess.  

Here I am, sitting on my back deck, drinking a beer.

easily more that 10K people are dead, number will climb exponentially as time continues to move forward, reactors are going to hell faster than can be reported, I noticed the temps in Japan are in the freezing range over night as well.

The pictures I see are beyond heartbreaking. So many............so so many.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 13, 2011, 02:38:30 PM
If you really want to get depressed you should take a look at places like Sendai/Natori (that's where the airport was that you see in the news vids) with Google Earth. This is, for now anyway, the ultimate "before" picture. I don't know how long it will take Google to update these satellite photos but for now they are pre-tsunami. Sendai/Natori was a fairly well populated area with what looks like a mixture of residential communities, light industry and agriculture along with a port facility. All of this has been wiped out.

I remember looking at satellite imagery of the Gulf Coast after Katrina and it was, of course, very ugly. In that case I was able to remember a lot of what the "before" looked like because it is an area that I have some familiarity with. The Japanese country side I am not familiar with at all and Google Earth helps to see what it was like mere days ago. It will never be the same.

Just up the coast from Sendai/Natori is Minamisanriku which is even more densely populated. It is hard to imagine that, with what little warning there was, very many made it out of there alive.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 13, 2011, 02:51:38 PM
Okay, someone at the NYT is very talented with photography and web stuff because they have published a very clever interactive feature where you can see a before and after aerial shot of quake/tsunami damaged areas. Take a hold of the slider with your mouse and move it from side to side to see what things looked like before and after.

There are no words to describe this. You have to see it for yourself. (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/03/13/world/asia/satellite-photos-japan-before-and-after-tsunami.html) Hurricane damage doesn't look this bad. It's like the place was nuked.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 03:45:27 PM
Wow. That's impressive Trap.  The devastation is just total!

Fox posted a link with links in it for people who are wanting to make contributions -

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/help-victims-devastating-earthquake-tsunami-japan/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/help-victims-devastating-earthquake-tsunami-japan/)

Hope they are still finding people alive!

 ::praying::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 13, 2011, 04:37:33 PM
Wow. That's impressive Trap.  The devastation is just total!

Fox posted a link with links in it for people who are wanting to make contributions -

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/help-victims-devastating-earthquake-tsunami-japan/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/12/help-victims-devastating-earthquake-tsunami-japan/)

Hope they are still finding people alive!

 ::praying::

 Amen to that.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 13, 2011, 09:39:34 PM
Looks like a hydrogen explosion just occurred at Reactor #3 at Fukushima plant 1 similar to the explosion a couple days ago at reactor #1, a result of the release of air to relieve pressure. 

Also there is a 3 meter tsunami alert underway for Fukushima prefecture.  However, at a press conference that just finished up, there has been no evidence of tsunami happening.  It should have happened by now if it was going to happen.  Japanese press secretary says seismological readings could have been set off by landslide instead of tsunami inducing earthquake.

Great primary source for japanese news - live feed.  (http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0)

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2011, 09:53:25 PM
Good link Michelle.   ::thumbsup::

Talking about #3 reactor right now.

I'll have to monitor this from time to time.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 13, 2011, 11:10:29 PM
Here's an article I read earlier tonight that's a pretty good layman's explanation of nuclear plant design and emergency procedures.

http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/ (http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/)

From what I've read elsewhere, the explosion at #3 wasn't exactly unexpected.  In the video I saw, it did look more powerful than the explosion at #1, though.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 13, 2011, 11:31:26 PM
If you really want to get depressed you should take a look at places like Sendai/Natori (that's where the airport was that you see in the news vids) with Google Earth. ...communities, light industry and agriculture along with a port facility. All of this has been wiped out.
...
 It is hard to imagine that, with what little warning there was, very many made it out of there alive.

I'm not depressed, stuff happens.  I pray for the suffering and for the survivors and praise them for their valiant efforts.  These are smart, tough, people; they will get up and dust off and get to work. They will show the crying whiners what good stuff we are all made of if we just call upon it and use it.

Using the Katrina analogy: They come from Mississippi, not Louisiana; AlanS and his like, excepted.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 14, 2011, 01:05:11 AM
It's now been long enough for these to have made it onto the Internet. What is particularly disturbing is how very few survivors there are in sight while these are taken.

Newly released video of the Tsunami and the search for survivors in Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFvy2Lb_wEw#ws)
Tsunami in Japan 3.11 first person FULL raw footage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uJN3Z1ryck#ws)
Japan video amateur tsunami-Tsunami imagens inéditas feito por um amador (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4xbLLJ1jHg#ws)
Japan ground cracking open and moving (CNN video) - March 11th 2011. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkHxDZGSM7E#ws)

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 07:27:32 AM
If you really want to get depressed you should take a look at places like Sendai/Natori (that's where the airport was that you see in the news vids) with Google Earth. ...communities, light industry and agriculture along with a port facility. All of this has been wiped out.
...
 It is hard to imagine that, with what little warning there was, very many made it out of there alive.

I'm not depressed, stuff happens.  I pray for the suffering and for the survivors and praise them for their valiant efforts.  These are smart, tough, people; they will get up and dust off and get to work. They will show the crying whiners what good stuff we are all made of if we just call upon it and use it.

Using the Katrina analogy: They come from Mississippi, not Louisiana; AlanS and his like, excepted.




I agree Charles.  It is difficult to see such destruction and not be affected by it, but the Japanese people are pretty tight-knit, they always have been.  They are acquiting themselves admirably, I have not heard one single instance of lawlessness, not one single act of one person preying upon another.  There is much to admire about them.  Partly I attribute this cohesiveness to a lack of porous borders and unassimilated immigrants, which allows their society to be more culturally uniform.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 11:36:02 AM
Man, there is so much hype over the nuke issue, not sure what is real.  I am starting to think rush is right...the left is shocked that there is not looting and now it appears not only do they want that, they want to see a nuclear catastrophe!

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/ (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/)

Since GP is sourcing WaPo & ABC...is it just more noise or is there somethingmore to it?

Fox is still trumpeting disaster too...

http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

In other news, the tsunami has wiped out one fighter squadron in Japan...

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 14, 2011, 11:38:20 AM
Man, there is so much hype over the nuke issue, not sure what is real.  I am starting to think rush is right...the left is shocked that there is not looting and now it appears not only do they want that, they want to see a nuclear catastrophe!

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/ (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/)

Since GP is sourcing WaPo & ABC...is it just more noise or is there somethingmore to it?

Fox is still trumpeting disaster too...

http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

In other news, the tsunami has wiped out one fighter squadron in Japan...

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx)

They want it, bad, even Fox.  It'll be great for ratings and ready-made 24-7 broadcast material, despite what such horrors will mean to the survivors.  Bunch friggin ghouls.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 11:48:49 AM
Man, there is so much hype over the nuke issue, not sure what is real.  I am starting to think rush is right...the left is shocked that there is not looting and now it appears not only do they want that, they want to see a nuclear catastrophe!

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/ (http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/03/breaking-japan-says-it-is-likely-meltdown-is-underway-in-3-reactors/)

Since GP is sourcing WaPo & ABC...is it just more noise or is there somethingmore to it?

Fox is still trumpeting disaster too...

http://www.foxnews.com/ (http://www.foxnews.com/)

In other news, the tsunami has wiped out one fighter squadron in Japan...

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20110313.aspx)

They want it, bad, even Fox.  It'll be great for ratings and ready-made 24-7 broadcast material, despite what such horrors will mean to the survivors.  Bunch friggin ghouls.

For Fox it must be the old "If it bleeds it leads", that and not wanting to be left out of the coverage...they aren't as rah-rah as the rest of the MFM is in rooting for disaster!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Predator Don on March 14, 2011, 12:15:40 PM
We have no control over mother nature. Natural disasters are heart breaking. We will be fed the man made global warming line...We will be fed the nuclear power is bad line too.

Ironically, we do have a man made crisis looming here. Our own tsumani of debt, just as large as the wave hitting Japan. I've heard estimates of a cost of 4 billion daily in Japan, the same amount daily we are overspending here.

 If we don't stop our own tsumani here, we will join Japan in mourning. Because we will loot, kill and ravage. We are wallowing in a sea...of red ink....Our wave is man made, the cause laid at the feet of a man whose spending is wreckless.

It is ironic we have liberals mourning the losses in Japan....While they perp the very same tsumani here.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 12:20:21 PM
Ya got that right Don, every word spot on!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 12:34:09 PM
Ya got that right Don, every word spot on!

 !!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 12:36:12 PM
Like I said before,this will be used against nuclear power here and I just heard while in the truck Lieberman is already making noises to take another look at it before we move forward.

  30 effing years since we built one and now we need another look. What the hell we been looking at then?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Predator Don on March 14, 2011, 12:56:22 PM
Like I said before,this will be used against nuclear power here and I just heard while in the truck Lieberman is already making noises to take another look at it before we move forward.

  30 effing years since we built one and now we need another look. What the hell we been looking at then?


Can't allow a good disaster to go to waste.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 01:20:31 PM
Like I said before,this will be used against nuclear power here and I just heard while in the truck Lieberman is already making noises to take another look at it before we move forward.

  30 effing years since we built one and now we need another look. What the hell we been looking at then?


Can't allow a good disaster to go to waste.

 It bugs me more because it's him. I always saw him as the more reasonable lib.I expect it from others.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 01:42:27 PM
Like I said before,this will be used against nuclear power here and I just heard while in the truck Lieberman is already making noises to take another look at it before we move forward.

  30 effing years since we built one and now we need another look. What the hell we been looking at then?

We'll be looking at crumbling power plants.  Because not only are we not allowed to build new ones, any kind of construction will be deemed dangerous and irresponsible.  Ironic, ain't it?!

Jeebus, I really can't stand leftard's!

 ::rockets::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 01:58:45 PM
Like I said before,this will be used against nuclear power here and I just heard while in the truck Lieberman is already making noises to take another look at it before we move forward.

  30 effing years since we built one and now we need another look. What the hell we been looking at then?

We'll be looking at crumbling power plants.  Because not only are we not allowed to build new ones, any kind of construction will be deemed dangerous and irresponsible.  Ironic, ain't it?!

Jeebus, I really can't stand leftard's!
 ::rockets::

 Hence the need for us to be here there and everywhere to spread the word of their insanity even if it is in their back yards.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: ToddF on March 14, 2011, 02:09:00 PM
So don't build nuclear power plants on the ring of fire.  And for craps & giggles I'll throw in the New Madrid area.

There.  Think leftist trash will be happy?

 ::rolllaughing::

Ya, me too, but you have to try to engage the animals every year or two.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 14, 2011, 02:10:11 PM
I just a "news" clip of the Assistant Deputy Secretary of our Energy Department saying, "nono, we're all for nuclear; it's part of our comprehensive energy blahblahblah".

Lying, straight-faced, bold-assed lying.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 02:29:17 PM
Ya, I heard that.

Talk about standard boilerplate nothingness...

Actions, as always, speak volumes over words...especially when the words coming out of this Regime aren't fit for much but blowing up rears!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 14, 2011, 02:37:08 PM
I just a "news" clip of the Assistant Deputy Secretary of our Energy Department saying, "nono, we're all for nuclear; it's part of our comprehensive energy blahblahblah".

Lying, straight-faced, bold-assed lying.

Hey, no more of that revolutionary bs.  Carter said "I commanded a nuclear submarine, I am a nuclear engineer, I will make nuclear energy safe for America", and he did - he shut the whole thing down.

Here's another thought; They are saying oil and other energy costs are going down because Japan will not be burning as much.  Well, they won't be burning as much for the next month and a half, after that, those little boogers will be up and running and will need more fuel to supplement the loss from nuclear.

They are not going to call FEMA, they are going to rebuild and call it creative destruction -

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 14, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
That's the truth.  And there's no rioting or looting.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: radioman on March 14, 2011, 04:10:04 PM
Remember that the problem in Japan and their nuclear power plants was caused by two things:
1 - earthquake
2 - tsunami
not inherent failure brought on by the plant themselves

So, how many plants do we have installed right now in earthquake zones that are also vulnerable to tsumami's?

Dont' let the liberals roll over us in demanding moratoriums on nuclear power plants because we don't have the same vulnerabilities that Japan had in this incident. Remember, the plants didn't fail under normal circumstances.

Earthquakes and tsunamis caused the failure.

We have a better chance of planet Mars collapsing on our moon than we have of this same scenario playing out on our land.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: BigAlSouth on March 14, 2011, 04:28:17 PM

Here's another thought; They are saying oil and other energy costs are going down because Japan will not be burning as much.  Well, they won't be burning as much for the next month and a half, after that, those little boogers will be up and running and will need more fuel to supplement the loss from nuclear.

I posted before the number of gas fired generation facilities in Japan. There are probably a bunch of very old oil fired plants that will be called out of mothballs and put online. Hey, the price of oil is through the roof, but this is an emergency. Oil-fired turbines are the easiest to get online.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 14, 2011, 04:46:12 PM
Okay, so here's a story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/supercritical_co2_thermally_efficient_gennies/) about brand spanking new turbine/generator technology that will (not might) increase power output by 50%. Fifty percent is HUGE. That's buy two get one free territory. Here's the catch: It only works with high temp power generation like gas, oil, coal and nuclear systems. Sorry, rainbows and unicorns need not apply. And what does this mean? It means that wind and solar will be even MORE ridiculous as a source of energy than they are right now.

BTW: Once again we get a story about US stuff from a UK media outlet. I guess the MFM is too busy worrying about Japanese meltdowns and the possibility of a couple of molecules of fallout reaching the US coast. There is so much more to be had in ratings from drumming up baseless fear in the clueless US population.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 05:58:51 PM
Earthquakes and tsunamis caused the failure.

Actually, the plants appear to have withstood the earthquake, and the reactors shut down exactly as they were designed to do.  The plants were designed for an 8.2 earthquake, and an 8.9 quake is about 5 TIMES more powerful.  That's quite a feat of engineering.

The trouble began when the tsunami disabled the backup diesel generators.  It's still unclear whether the generators were damaged or whether their fuel supply was contaminated.  Either way, that's not a problem with the nuclear reactors.  The lesson here is to make the backup generators more survivable.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 06:09:16 PM
Here is a website that was recommended by commenter Vic at Ace of Spades.  I think he is a nuclear engineer, possibly in the Navy (I'm not entirely sure).

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/ (http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/)

Click on each headline for more detailed information.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 06:31:07 PM
Okay, so here's a story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/supercritical_co2_thermally_efficient_gennies/) about brand spanking new turbine/generator technology that will (not might) increase power output by 50%. Fifty percent is HUGE. That's buy two get one free territory. Here's the catch: It only works with high temp power generation like gas, oil, coal and nuclear systems. Sorry, rainbows and unicorns need not apply. And what does this mean? It means that wind and solar will be even MORE ridiculous as a source of energy than they are right now.

BTW: Once again we get a story about US stuff from a UK media outlet. I guess the MFM is too busy worrying about Japanese meltdowns and the possibility of a couple of molecules of fallout reaching the US coast. There is so much more to be had in ratings from drumming up baseless fear in the clueless US population.


 Trap do you have an lit on that??
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 06:58:57 PM
I've recommended the NASASpaceflight.com forum before as an excellent source for space-related information.  They have sections for space programs from all over the world.  Here's a specific thread about how the earthquake has affected Japanese space operations:

JAXA effects of Earthquake? (http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=24439.0)

It includes a comment by member Fuji:

Quote
I'm ok.
Space Station Ops. Facility at TKSC was dameged.
See this photo. I'm also there at that time.
But no one has injured, I belive.

Earthquake Forces Closure of Japan's Space Station Control Center
http://www.space.com/11110-japan-earthquake-tsunami-space-station.html (http://www.space.com/11110-japan-earthquake-tsunami-space-station.html)


We have many afterquake still now.
Feel almost continuously afterquake.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 07:19:59 PM
Explosion heard in the suppression chamber (bottom of the containment chamber) in reactor #2 indicating there may be damage to the last line of defense, and may lead to outside contamination.  People are being advised to stay indoors. Workers not directly involved in adding water to the system are being evacuated.

Let's all say a prayer the chamber holds and radiation can be contained.   Japan tv regulary updating on wind speed and direction.

http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0 (http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 07:37:29 PM
Now jibtv is reporting a rise in radiation levels outside the reactor to 3x safe levels.  At the same time of the explosion located within the suppression chamber, a sudden drop in pressure was recorded inside the chamber indicating there's a crack somewhere in the suppression chamber.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 07:41:15 PM
That doesn't sound good.

Ace has a new post up but the comments section seems to have been nuked, for the time being.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 14, 2011, 07:56:30 PM
Okay, so here's a story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/supercritical_co2_thermally_efficient_gennies/) about brand spanking new turbine/generator technology that will (not might) increase power output by 50%. Fifty percent is HUGE. That's buy two get one free territory. Here's the catch: It only works with high temp power generation like gas, oil, coal and nuclear systems. Sorry, rainbows and unicorns need not apply. And what does this mean? It means that wind and solar will be even MORE ridiculous as a source of energy than they are right now.

BTW: Once again we get a story about US stuff from a UK media outlet. I guess the MFM is too busy worrying about Japanese meltdowns and the possibility of a couple of molecules of fallout reaching the US coast. There is so much more to be had in ratings from drumming up baseless fear in the clueless US population.


 Trap do you have an lit on that??

All I have is the link that I put in the post (it's the word, "story"). Click on it and you will know everything that I do.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 08:05:24 PM
Regardless of how the nuclear plant situation shakes out, I have no doubt that when the full story is eventually told, we will hear of feats of heroism comparable to the NYPD and NYFD on 9/11.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 08:22:47 PM
michelleo:

Do you have any other sources?  I can't get your link to work, and I also can't access comments at Ace's.  The WNN site says nothing so far.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 14, 2011, 08:27:17 PM

Yeah, there are persons working on those things who know they are dead.
They are working to save their countrymen and for honor.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 14, 2011, 08:32:31 PM
Okay, so here's a story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/supercritical_co2_thermally_efficient_gennies/) about brand spanking new turbine/generator technology that will (not might) increase power output by 50%. Fifty percent is HUGE. That's buy two get one free territory. Here's the catch: It only works with high temp power generation like gas, oil, coal and nuclear systems. Sorry, rainbows and unicorns need not apply. And what does this mean? It means that wind and solar will be even MORE ridiculous as a source of energy than they are right now.

BTW: Once again we get a story about US stuff from a UK media outlet. I guess the MFM is too busy worrying about Japanese meltdowns and the possibility of a couple of molecules of fallout reaching the US coast. There is so much more to be had in ratings from drumming up baseless fear in the clueless US population.


 Trap do you have an lit on that??

All I have is the link that I put in the post (it's the word, "story"). Click on it and you will know everything that I do.

 Thanks! We just increased our out put by 50%on the same dime.That's nothing short of a miracle.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 14, 2011, 08:36:24 PM
Okay, so here's a story (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/07/supercritical_co2_thermally_efficient_gennies/) about brand spanking new turbine/generator technology that will (not might) increase power output by 50%. Fifty percent is HUGE. That's buy two get one free territory. Here's the catch: It only works with high temp power generation like gas, oil, coal and nuclear systems. Sorry, rainbows and unicorns need not apply. And what does this mean? It means that wind and solar will be even MORE ridiculous as a source of energy than they are right now.

BTW: Once again we get a story about US stuff from a UK media outlet. I guess the MFM is too busy worrying about Japanese meltdowns and the possibility of a couple of molecules of fallout reaching the US coast. There is so much more to be had in ratings from drumming up baseless fear in the clueless US population.


 Trap do you have an lit on that??

All I have is the link that I put in the post (it's the word, "story"). Click on it and you will know everything that I do.

 Thanks! We just increased our out put by 50%on the same dime.That's nothing short of a miracle.

It is pretty amazing. It also makes you wonder just how much further we would be along if we poured time and money into things other than rainbows and unicorns, things that actually have the potential to make the world a better place. Controlled nuclear fusion comes to mind. Cheap limitless power seems like a worthwhile goal to pursue instead of ridiculously inefficient solar panels and bird cuisinarts that no one wants anywhere near where they live.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 08:48:52 PM
Kyodo News headline:
Blast heard at Fukushima's No.2 reactor, radiation shoots up (http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78021.html)

Quote
Radiation is feared to have leaked after the container vessel suffered damage at the No. 2 reactor of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant Tuesday morning, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The utility also admitted that a critical situation called ''meltdown'' in which fuel rods melt and are destroyed is possible at the plant where three reactor cores are believed to have partially melted following Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake that hit northeastern and eastern Japan.

An explosion was heard early Tuesday morning at the reactor and the radiation level temporarily shot up later, the firm said as it continued efforts to prevent overheating of exposed fuel rods.

Shortly after the apparent blast at 6:10 a.m., which appears to have damaged the reactor's pressure-suppression system, the radiation level exceeded the legal limit to reach 965.5 micro sievert per hour before jumping to 8,217 micro sievert at 8:31 p.m., it said.

The maximum level is more than eight times the 1,000 micro sievert level to which people can be exposed in one year.

The utility said it is evacuating workers from the plant, except for those necessary for work to cool the reactor.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 08:56:07 PM
Damn.  This thing appears to be taking a turn the wrong direction.  Charles is right, there are people who know they are dead trying to get this thing under control.  God, what a nightmare.  Prayers to them and their families and everyone in the area.  I really hope they can turn this around.

The jibtv link appears to be working fine for me.  Talking of rolling power outages.  Trains on reduced schedules in Tokyo. 

Found this link, pic's are stunning and the devastation is nothing short of biblical.

The scale of this event cannot be overstated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366093/Japan-faces-2nd-earthquake-tsunami-2-000-bodies-wash-ashore.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366093/Japan-faces-2nd-earthquake-tsunami-2-000-bodies-wash-ashore.html)

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2011, 09:01:22 PM
Jibtv is saying half the fuel rods are exposed, "experts" say this can cause a meltdown of rods, but that is not the same as a runaway meltdown of the entire reactor.  I'm not sure at what temp/pressure a full-blown meltdown occurs, but I hope they can resolve this before that point.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 09:24:50 PM
Ace's comments are back up now, and it looks like things are going south.  Most of the plant workers have been evacuated.

Reactor 2 may have been breached, and I saw a comment saying that reactor 4 is on fire.  This is the first I've heard anything about reactor 4, so I'm taking that with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 14, 2011, 09:44:29 PM
Fox News just reported that a Japanese Cabinet minister confirmed that radiation is "spewing" from the plant and that Reactor #4 is on fire.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 09:51:26 PM
Jibtv now instructing people who are 20-30km from plant to head indoors, shaking out hair, take off/brush off clothes and shoes before going in.  Turn off heating/AC, shut windows.  Do not use laundry hung outside to dry.  Remain calm.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 14, 2011, 09:55:40 PM

They need helicopters carrying huge buckets of cement.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: warpmine on March 14, 2011, 10:45:49 PM
So don't build nuclear power plants on the ring of fire.  And for craps & giggles I'll throw in the New Madrid area.

There.  Think leftist trash will be happy?

 ::rolllaughing::

Ya, me too, but you have to try to engage the animals every year or two.
I'm jumping in here a bit late but MSR's (molten salt reactor) would not have been effected by an earthquake induced power failure because the fuel is already in liquid state not depending on liquids like water to cool the pile. When the heat gets to be to much, the mixture expands and stops the criticality(chain reaction) of the fuel. The fuel melts a safety plug and the fuel is collected in a few vats cooling naturally. Light water reactors LWR suck plain and simple. They were simple but incredibly dangerous considering what normally happens when bad circumstances arise. MSR's are compact vs the huge space required for LWR's. Japan has been investing time in LFTR(liquid fluoride thorium reactor) technology which are the way to the future. The US on the other hand is looking into pebble bed reactors and modular reactors big waste of time. Thorium is 20 times more plentiful than Uranium and their lies the problem, the uranium industry has invested billion in the production of fuel for LWR's. Buggy whips anyone? One more thing, LWR's burn 1% of their fuel, LFTR's burn all of it and are easily refueled which much cheaper thorium.

http://energyfromthorium.com/ (http://energyfromthorium.com/)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 11:16:19 PM
libtv now discussing affects of different levels of radiation on health.  They're talking milli-sieverts now, not micro-sieverts.
In case you're curious, here are links about how fallout might spread and how to create iodine tablets:
http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm (http://www.ki4u.com/illwind.htm)
http://www.ki4u.com/plan_b.htm (http://www.ki4u.com/plan_b.htm)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Predator Don on March 14, 2011, 11:18:29 PM
With winds and currents, how far can radiation be carried and still be considered dangerous?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on March 14, 2011, 11:29:53 PM
With winds and currents, how far can radiation be carried and still be considered dangerous?

That's going to be the big question of the day tomorrow I'm guessing.  Meanwhile the Nikkei is in free-fall. It's falling by the minute.  At this moment it's down 14% so far today.  Doesn't Japan have a similar mechanism to America where the markets close at some point in case of a precipitous drop?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 14, 2011, 11:38:14 PM
The Japanese stock exchange is plunging like crazy over this whole mess.

If you take history into account (and you should) the US market also took a bath post 9/11. Money invested when it tanked made great gains in the years afterward. There is probably an opportunity in this situation for someone who is willing to take a risk. I mean, does anyone seriously think that the Japanese won't come back from this? What they are experiencing is beyond horrible and will get worse (much worse) before it gets better. But they have proven before that they can come back from horrible circumstances...they are the only people in history to have been nuked and the firebombing of Tokyo was worse in some ways. They took a horrible beating in WWII (so did the Germans). And yet they came back to become the world's third largest economy. So they have a track record. They will need investors to rebuild. I think it's probably not that risky a bet and the payoff could be substantial.

Or you could invest in Obamabucks.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 14, 2011, 11:48:17 PM
With winds and currents, how far can radiation be carried and still be considered dangerous?

That depends on the specific isotopes and their half-lives.

Emissions from a nuclear plant will probably not get lofted high enough to be carried by the jet stream.  That kind of scenario is more likely to occur in a nuclear explosion, which will not happen here no matter how bad the meltdown gets.

In other words, even in a worst-case scenario at the Japanese nuclear plant, the radiation is mostly a local concern.  It's not going to come to the U.S. in any significant quantities.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2011, 07:52:38 AM
I think the links Michelle provided bear that out.  This is not like Chernobyl or 3 Mile Island. 

It is interesting that the ChiCom's are looking into the LFTR technology, it appears we should be doing the same.  As far as they uranium lobby goes, just SWAG on my part, but I'll bet 'ol Dingy Harry is a top recipient.

PS-Thanks for the KI link Michelle, nice to know there are options out there, since domestic stocks of pills have dried up!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2011, 11:25:02 AM
Explosions, more quakes...these poor folks have to think their world is ending!

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/15/japan-orders-140000-people-to-seal-themselves-indoors-after-nuclear-leak/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/15/japan-orders-140000-people-to-seal-themselves-indoors-after-nuclear-leak/)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2011, 09:52:55 PM
Heard some report about all workers being pulled out of Fukushima, not sure if all reactors or just some.  Hope this means they are throwing in the towel.  I have no idea what a last ditch containment effort might entail...pouring a zillion tons of cement laced with lead over the damn thing or what?

jibtv reporting what they are seeing right now, not what authorities are doing.  See white smoke rising, but picture is a bit blurry...coming from that cooling area?  Reporter thinks it is from #1 reactor.  Footage is lagging 20 minutes.

Guess we'll find out in the morning...

http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0 (http://jibtv.com/program/fullscreen.aspx?page=0)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 16, 2011, 12:47:28 AM
And, BTW, if you want some extra paranoid stuff to think about, there are some Coast-To-Coast With Art Bell types who are pushing the notion that the moon is going to have a big effect on the fault line (i.e. produce another big quake and then another tsunami). The moon is supposed to be nearing its closest distance from Earth sometime pretty soon.

That the moon's weak gravitational pull is able to affect the tides is indisputable. That it can possibly have a measurable effect on tectonic plates is pretty nutty. I'm no geologist or seismologist but this seems to me to be an offshoot of the global warming stuff. Scientific wishful thinking.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 16, 2011, 01:40:36 AM
Economic ripple effect... (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/03/15/economy-mixed-consequences-japan-disaster/)


[blockquote]The U.S. is feeling the aftershocks of the Japanese earthquake and tsunami in several ways, some good, some bad.

While the U.S. stock markets fell, the price of oil was also dropping even as the demand for raw materials to rebuild Japan is likely to rise sharply on top of already rising global demand.

With all the American investments in Japanese companies, Wall Street was the first to feel the pain as it reacted to the Japanese markets, which plunged 16 percent in just two days.

“If there's going to be some damage to our economy probably it will occur most directly more quickly through the stock market, says Mark Zandi, chief economist with Moody’s Analytics.

And much of that damage could come as a result of the economic question marks surrounding the disaster.[/blockquote]
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: ToddF on March 16, 2011, 07:46:40 AM
Actually the moon is why the earth is volcanically active, at this stage in our evolution.  The main theory goes, the earth being volcanically active is also responsible for life on this planet.  I don't remember the details, but it has something to do with all that activity stirring up the elements in a way that is good, overall, for life.

So yes, the moon does cause earthquakes.  A little closer, a little more likely?  I kind of doubt that.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2011, 07:59:44 AM
The moon!  The moon!  We're all gonna die!

I'm surprised, with all the hype and noise, not see that headline linked on Drudge!

 ::whatgives::

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2011, 08:24:56 AM
On the market front, looks like the Nikkei got back 5 1/2%.  We'll see what news the day brings...
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 16, 2011, 12:06:06 PM
In some of the moons of the gas giant outer planets, the tidal forces can be so strong that magma is definitely pulled out on the planet-facing side, resulting in huge volcanic eruptions. In some cases the moon's orbit is disrupted so much that it slams into adjacent moons. This is one of the theories on how Saturn's rings were formed.

Earth's crust is too rigid for tidal action to affect it to that extent, but it does have some influence. Most of Earth's seismic energy comes from the radioactive decay of the core generating enormous heat.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 16, 2011, 12:09:14 PM
Quote
Most of Earth's seismic energy comes from the radioactive decay of the core generating enormous heat.

Just so long as it doesn't stop rotating.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2011, 12:11:11 PM
Heh.  If it did that, you'd know pretty quick...we'd all be flying off the surface!

 ::speechless::

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Pandora on March 16, 2011, 12:31:10 PM
Heh.  If it did that, you'd know pretty quick...we'd all be flying off the surface!

 ::speechless::

 ::exitstageleft::

The core.  "The Core".  Geddit?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2011, 12:49:06 PM
Heh.  If it did that, you'd know pretty quick...we'd all be flying off the surface!

 ::speechless::

 ::exitstageleft::

The core.  "The Core".  Geddit?

Check.  I was thinking planet rotation.

Core, affects our magnetic field and convection that in turn affects tectonic plates.

But hey, there's some precious metals in the core right?  Why can't some of this shifting around stuff throw up something useful!   ;D
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 16, 2011, 03:53:51 PM
And, BTW, if you want some extra paranoid stuff to think about, there are some Coast-To-Coast With Art Bell types who are pushing the notion that the moon is going to have a big effect on the fault line (i.e. produce another big quake and then another tsunami). The moon is supposed to be nearing its closest distance from Earth sometime pretty soon.

That the moon's weak gravitational pull is able to affect the tides is indisputable. That it can possibly have a measurable effect on tectonic plates is pretty nutty. I'm no geologist or seismologist but this seems to me to be an offshoot of the global warming stuff. Scientific wishful thinking.

March 18 or 19, we will have a full moon and it will be approximately only 225,000 miles from earth, that's half way across Texas.  It's gravitational pull will grab that 50x100 mile crack in the crust and rip it into space. We are doomed.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 16, 2011, 04:03:50 PM
There is actually a field of study all about the effect of the moon and other astronomical objects on humankind.

It's called Astrology.

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 16, 2011, 05:37:41 PM

Correct, and they all agree, WE'RE DOOMED!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CdRo7okHCAc#at=16 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CdRo7okHCAc#at=16)

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2011, 07:59:13 PM
Hmmm...

Go out with a bang or a rip...

I'll take door #3!

 ;D
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on March 27, 2011, 10:45:30 PM

Homemade tsunami video: awesome

110311_TUNAMI.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOfy1CoxrMo#)


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: LadyVirginia on March 27, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Pretty much shows how we have no control over anything.  But hey, you libs, keep driving your priuses and reusing your toilet paper. And when are you setting up that fund to help relocate displaced sealife?
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Roy Rogers on March 27, 2011, 11:06:02 PM
Pretty much shows how we have no control over anything.  But hey, you libs, keep driving your priuses and reusing your toilet paper. And when are you setting up that fund to help relocate displaced sealife?

Amen
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 27, 2011, 11:08:28 PM
I saw that earlier today at American Digest.

You can hear car alarms at about 1:00, but they soon fall silent.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: LadyVirginia on March 27, 2011, 11:10:26 PM
I saw that earlier today at American Digest.

You can hear car alarms at about 1:00, but they soon fall silent.

and you can see the folks across the way on the other building

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 28, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
We cannot exist in this world apart from the grace and forbearance of nature's God. Our lives and our constructs are among the most fragile things in His creation, and we stand atop it because He allows it.

I wouldn't say that He causes or allows these things to happen so as to reorient us to our proper relationship to His power. But likewise, I wouldn't say that He does not.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: ToddF on March 28, 2011, 05:40:36 AM
Pretty much shows how we have no control over anything.  But hey, you libs, keep driving your priuses and reusing your toilet paper. And when are you setting up that fund to help relocate displaced sealife?

That's only because the mighty Senator Klobuchar hasn't crafted some policy, after the fact, protecting us.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on March 28, 2011, 09:30:57 AM
  The truth is that libs worry about us destroying the planet when truth is that when the planet is sick of us it will shake us off like flees. The planet will be here long after were all gone and forgotten.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2011, 11:32:04 AM
Has this thing reached the point of a complete write off?  Should they be looking at a permanent long-term sealing of this facility and be done with it?

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/# (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/31/japans-nuclear-rescuers-inevitable-die-weeks/#)

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: rickl on March 31, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
It doesn't look good.  Lots of radioactive water everywhere, either from leaking reactors or the spent fuel pools; I'm not sure which.

There's a mammoth thread at the Market Ticker. (http://tickerforum.org/akcs-www?post=182121&page=269)  269 pages of comments and still very active.  (My link goes to page 269, but you can click on the page numbers to read the earlier comments.)  A few commenters are very knowledgeable, while others are kind of panic-stricken, and still others somewhere in between. 

The contamination at the site seems to be pretty serious, and for some distance away.  But keep in mind that reports of radiation in the US refer to miniscule amounts that are far below any health concerns.  It says more about the sensitivity of the detectors than anything else.  And the media continues its sensationalizing and fearmongering.

I saw a report earlier today about 1000 bodies near the plant that are too radioactive to handle.  It's important to realize that they were killed by the tsunami and became contaminated by radiation afterwards.  So far at least, there have been no reports of anyone killed by radiation.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on March 31, 2011, 10:25:15 PM
Drudge is running this (http://chronicle.augusta.com/latest-news/2011-03-31/srs-concrete-pump-heading-japan-nuclear-site) as the evening's headline:

[blockquote]The world’s largest concrete pump, deployed at the construction site of the U.S. government’s $4.86 billion mixed oxide fuel plant at Savannah River Site, is being moved to Japan in a series of emergency measures to help stabilize the Fukushima reactors.

“The bottom line is, the Japanese need this particular unit worse than we do, so we’re giving it up,” said Jerry Ashmore, whose company, Augusta-based Ashmore Concrete Contractors, Inc., is the concrete supplier for the MOX facility.

The 190,000-pound pump, made by Germany-based Putzmeister has a 70-meter boom and can be controlled remotely, making it suitable for use in the unpredictable and highly radioactive environment of the doomed nuclear reactors in Japan, he said.

“There are only three of these pumps in the world, of which two are suited for this work, so we have to get it there as soon as we can,” Ashmore said in an interview with The Chronicle today. “Time is very much a factor.”

The pump was moved Wednesday from the construction site in Aiken County to a facility in Hanahan, S.C., for minor modifications, and will be trucked to Atlanta’s Hartsfield Airport, where it will be picked up by the world’s largest cargo plane, the Russian-made Antonov 225, which will fly it to Tokyo.

Ashmore officials have already notified Shaw AREVA MOX Services, which is building the MOX plant for the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration, that the pump was being moved and will not be returned.  “It will be too hot to come back,” Ashmore said.

The costs of the operation, including an estimated $1.4 million to fly the pump from Atlanta to Tokyo aboard the Antonov transporter, are being underwritten by the Tokyo Electric Power Company through a contracting agreement with Putzmeister.
[/blockquote]
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 31, 2011, 10:38:33 PM
Jeez. This just adds so much complication to an already completely disastrous situation.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Glock32 on March 31, 2011, 10:40:40 PM
A landing by a An-225 is a big deal in its own right. I saw one land in Charlotte not long ago, delivering a damaged turbine from Thailand. The Siemens facility nearby was the only place that could repair it, so into the Antonov it went. Those planes have to be seen to be believed.

What I wonder about with regard to the Japanese reactor site is its proximity to the ocean. How far down into the ground before they hit water? I know in some coastal locations the water table is not much more than a few feet down. Are they going to have to excavate under the reactors and backfill it with concrete?

I think that power company is history. The costs of fixing this are going to be more than they or their insurance policies can handle.

eta - and just a minor quibble with the article - Antonov is Ukrainian not Russian :)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2011, 07:50:49 AM
I am hearing now some of the readings they were getting were messed up, something to do with a computer and how it interpreted the data, so they were wrong in their radioactive counts...I just can't remember which way it wrong...hope they were overstated!
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on April 03, 2011, 08:56:25 PM
Slide show (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/8390718/Japan-earthquake-30-pictures-of-boats-and-ships-swept-ashore-by-the-tsunami.html) via UK Telegraph...30 pictures of ships/boats run aground by the tsunami.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2011, 08:09:35 AM
This whole "can't plug the leak" things is bizzare, but everything going on at Fukashima is bizzare.  It's like water torture...drip...drip...drip...
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on April 04, 2011, 09:35:03 AM
If this were happening in the USA it would be 24 hour media terror. And to a degree that might actually be justified. In Japan the nuke reactor problem is only part of the overall problem. Mixed in with a tsunami of the century cleanup and what to do about thousands of dead bodies and how to feed a nation and how to provide power, etc., well, they are a bit overwhelmed with disasters right now. Leaking radiation would be really, really bad if it was the only thing on the plate. And it is really, really bad. Just kind of hard for them to focus on it.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on April 04, 2011, 09:44:36 AM
Experts estimate that about seven tons an hour of radioactive water is escaping the pit. (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/04/world/asia/04japan.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all) Safety officials have said that the water, which appears to be coming from the damaged No. 2 reactor, contains one million becquerels per liter of iodine 131, or about 10,000 times the levels normally found in water at a nuclear plant.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: warpmine on April 04, 2011, 10:10:01 AM
Ooohhh nnnooo!
Look for a new and improved Godziwa feature soon.

Talk at you later because reception is really bad in the bunker. ::newyear::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: michelleo on April 04, 2011, 08:25:24 PM
This whole "can't plug the leak" things is bizzare, but everything going on at Fukashima is bizzare.  It's like water torture...drip...drip...drip...

More like radioactive water torture.  Absolutely horrible.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 05, 2011, 12:16:13 AM

Marine helicopters deliver supplies to Japanese disaster victims (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXCXQnod6GE#)
CH-46E Sea Knight helicopters from Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron 265 (HMM-265), Marine Aircraft Group 36, 1st Marine Air Wing, III Marine Expeditionary Force deliver supplies from Naval Air Facility Atsugi, Japan, to earthquake and tsunami victims north of Sendai, Japan, March 18. Video by MC2(SW) Bryan Reckard.

Marines fly supplies to Matsushima, Japan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJPVEilU430#)

Marine Aerial Refueler Transport Squadron 152 (VMGR-152) moved to Marine Corps Air Station Iwakuni to assist in the relief efforts in northern Japan, March 21. Cpl. Bradley Hanson jumped on a KC-130J aircraft headed to Matsushima to see their efforts first-hand.

Marines work with Japanese military to provide aid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IErWHlfbylg#)

The 31st Marine Expeditionary Unit has arrived off the east coast of mainland Japan near Miyako, March 22. With the help of the Japanese Self-Defense Force, the MEU has started delivering aid. The 31st MEU has responded to four humanitarian assistance and disaster relief operations in the last two years and continues to provide a flexible, sea-based force capable of supporting Operation Tomodachi as directed. Gunnery Sgt. Jimmy Stare has more.


Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on April 05, 2011, 12:43:36 AM
Nice vids.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on April 12, 2011, 02:20:45 AM
More home video:

New video of Tohoku, Japan tsunami emerges (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThsY9aMSa40#ws)

New video from the March 11th event shows villagers in Iwaki City fleeing from the massive wave.

H/T: WeaselZippers

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
Abandoned pets in the evacuated areas.  If these animals are highly contaminated, they'd have to be put down.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110414/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake_dog_rescue (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110414/ap_on_re_as/as_japan_earthquake_dog_rescue)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
Oh, OK, throw a tarp over it all call it a day!

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892)

Uhh, what's the long-term solution?

 ::whatgives::
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: John Florida on May 13, 2011, 11:39:54 AM
Oh, OK, throw a tarp over it all call it a day!

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892)

Uhh, what's the long-term solution?

 ::whatgives::

 Out of sight out of mind.
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on May 13, 2011, 04:21:51 PM
Oh, OK, throw a tarp over it all call it a day!

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892)

Uhh, what's the long-term solution?

 ::whatgives::

 Out of sight out of mind.
::thumbsup::

Media peoples do not want to be there, and there is no blood, and the Japanese are not given to crying on cue, therefore there is no news.  Pass along to Obama's next great mission.

They will fill the area beneath the tarp with foam then build a perimeter ring and fill it with cement.




Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Oh, OK, throw a tarp over it all call it a day!

http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892 (http://www.myfoxny.com/dpps/news/japan-nuclear-reactors-giant-tents-dpgonc-20110513-fc_13185892)

Uhh, what's the long-term solution?

 ::whatgives::

 Out of sight out of mind.
::thumbsup::

Media peoples do not want to be there, and there is no blood, and the Japanese are not given to crying on cue, therefore there is no news.  Pass along to Obama's next great mission.

They will fill the area beneath the tarp with foam then build a perimeter ring and fill it with cement.



Which is what I was guessing would happen weeks ago...I am a little shocked the Left has not pushed this story more...being the anti-nule clowns they are...
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: trapeze on May 19, 2011, 07:49:09 PM
Newly released photos of the moment the waves hit the reactor site.

Posted here. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388629/Japan-tsunami-destroyed-wall-designed-protect-Fukushima-nuclear-plant.html)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on May 27, 2011, 07:57:04 AM
Newly released photos of the moment the waves hit the reactor site.

Posted here. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1388629/Japan-tsunami-destroyed-wall-designed-protect-Fukushima-nuclear-plant.html)

Wow.

Might be more pics coming though!

Super Typhoon Songda is expected to come close to Fukashima!   ::speechless::

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/super-typhoon-songda-projected-pass-over-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/super-typhoon-songda-projected-pass-over-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2011, 06:51:14 AM
Oh lovely, plutonium found a mile away from Fukashima.

 ::speechless::

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/japan-finds-plutonium-one-mile-away-fukushima-doubles-radiation-leak-estimate?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/japan-finds-plutonium-one-mile-away-fukushima-doubles-radiation-leak-estimate?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on June 07, 2011, 08:59:53 AM
Blue Oyster Cult - Godzilla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln8-Y-fIbqM#)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2011, 11:23:46 AM
Ohhh Nooo!

There goes...Fukashima?

Just doesn't have the same ring, let's stick with Tokyo!

Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: Libertas on June 09, 2011, 07:21:24 AM
Might have to change that line to "...Seattle"!

Seattle Residents Exposed to 10 Radioactive "Hot Particles" Per Day
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/seattle-residents-exposed-10-radioactive-hot-particles-day?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/seattle-residents-exposed-10-radioactive-hot-particles-day?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: IronDioPriest on September 20, 2011, 10:15:14 PM
Another new video emerges...

Yu Muroga was doing his job making deliveries when the 11 March 2011 earthquake hit in Japan. Unaware, like many people in the area, of how far inland the Tsunami would travel, he continued to drive and do his job. The HD camera mounted on his dashboard captured not only the earthquake, but also the moment he and several other drivers were suddenly engulfed in the Tsunami. He escaped from the vehicle seconds before it was crushed by other debris and sunk underwater. His car and the camera have only recently been recovered by the police. The camera was heavily damaged but a video expert was able to retrieve this footage.

Tsunami Japanese inside a car! ???? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQqmp9OOE1E#ws)
Title: Re: RED ALERT: MAJOR EARTHQUAKE, TSUNAMI & NOW VOLCANO STRIKE JAPAN
Post by: charlesoakwood on September 20, 2011, 11:44:57 PM

Orderly society: At 1:00 driver exits car and returns to shut the door.
                           1:30 person trapped in black van

Fantastick, we are living in exceptional times.