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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: trapeze on August 13, 2011, 06:40:09 PM

Title: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: trapeze on August 13, 2011, 06:40:09 PM
Drudge Had This As His Headline: "And The Winner Is: Bachmann" (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9P3G06O0&show_article=1)

This is actually somewhat surprising in that Paul didn't win. Paul, as most of you know, is notorious for cheating wherever and whenever he can in a vain and somewhat desperate ongoing ploy to make people believe his fringe views are mainstream. The cheating in straw polls usually takes shape in bussing in ineligible voters.

So...what happened here?

Did Paul screw up? Or was Bachmann just that much more a winner?

Paul did finish second. Results below:

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1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)

2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)

3. Governor Tim Pawlenty (2293, 13.57%)

4. Senator Rick Santorum (1657, 9.81%)

5. Herman Cain (1456, 8.62%)

6. Governor Rick Perry (718, 3.62%) write-in

7. Governor Mitt Romney (567, 3.36%)

8. Speaker Newt Gingrich (385, 2.28%)

9. Governor Jon Huntsman (69, 0.41%)

10. Congressman Thad McCotter (35, 0.21%)

Thoughts? Opinions?
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: trapeze on August 13, 2011, 06:50:36 PM
Perry did surprisingly well given that 1) He announced today and 2) he was a write-in.

Romney didn't participate in the straw poll but he should have finished ahead of Perry given his exposure, name recognition, etc.

No write-in votes for Palin is a surprise, too.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 13, 2011, 07:57:32 PM

Everybody knows Palin is in it hard ... to neutralize the Ruling Class.

Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: AlanS on August 13, 2011, 08:00:21 PM

Everybody knows Palin is in it hard ... to neutralize the Ruling Class.



As long as she's successful, I don't care if she runs or not.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: John Florida on August 13, 2011, 08:59:44 PM
The botom three need to quit now.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: Predator Don on August 13, 2011, 11:36:38 PM
The botom three need to quit now.


How about the bottom 4.....He needs to stay in his home state and fix romneycare.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: trapeze on August 14, 2011, 12:42:45 AM
The botom three need to quit now.


How about the bottom 4.....He needs to stay in his home state and fix romneycare.

Yes, but the first step is admitting that there is a problem and he isn't to that point yet.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 14, 2011, 01:03:39 AM
T-Paw's 3rd was very distant.

But I remember McCain. He was traveling light; Taking taxis and rental cars; carrying his own suitcase; out of campaign money. Then came the caucus. And the primaries.

Somehow the GOP machine produced the candidate the establishment chose.

These establishment candidates aren't done until they quit the race. Bachmann's win is impressive, but not necessarily indicative of the direction of the party. Expect the Rovians and the Krauthammers and the Kristols to intensify their effort to undercut her.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: trapeze on August 14, 2011, 01:18:45 AM
A true conservative, unafraid to champion those values is like Krypontite to the establishment. Last time we saw that was with Reagan. Not saying Bachmann is Reagan but if she sticks to her guns she could go quite far.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: rickl on August 14, 2011, 08:19:54 AM
I just saw some comments at AoS saying that Pawlenty has dropped out.  I don't see it on Drudge yet.

ETA:  Here it is:  http://www.startribune.com/local/127679573.html (http://www.startribune.com/local/127679573.html)
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 14, 2011, 09:02:30 AM
Pawlenty was in this race based on the old dynamic. It was a practical matter for him to be in it. It made sense according to the way things were when he was coming up the ranks. Based on the the reality of how things have changed, it is a practical matter for him to decide to opt out now.

Frankly, unless he screws up badly, I don't see any way that Rick Perry is not the nominee. Conservatives looking for an executive who have withheld their support from Romney will flock to him as the answer, and he'll make sense to Romney supporters as well. He's the guy who'll bridge the gap between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives.

I don't know enough about him to feel one way or the other about that, and that makes me nervous.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: rickl on August 14, 2011, 09:22:52 AM
I generally like AoS, but I've noticed a few things there:

1.  The Palin hate is so bad I sometimes have to check to see if I'm not reading Daily Kos.

2.  I frequently see references to not only "Paulbots", but also "Palinbots".  Yet many of those same commenters don't seem to notice that they're chugging the Perry kool-aid by the gallon.

I have strong misgivings about Perry.  He seems to be yet another internationalist who is questionable about illegal immigration and border security.  That said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee.  I can't say the same for Romney.

ETA:  OMG.  I just looked over there again and saw several comments that seemed to imply that Perry has the nomination locked up, and they're discussing his VP running mate.

Seriously, folks, step away from that big galvanized Kool-Aid tub.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 14, 2011, 09:50:18 AM
T-Paw's 3rd was very distant.

But I remember McCain. He was traveling light; Taking taxis and rental cars; carrying his own suitcase; out of campaign money. Then came the caucus. And the primaries.

Somehow the GOP machine produced the candidate the establishment chose.

These establishment candidates aren't done until they quit the race. Bachmann's win is impressive, but not necessarily indicative of the direction of the party. Expect the Rovians and the Krauthammers and the Kristols to intensify their effort to undercut her.
Somehow the GOP machine produced the candidate the establishment chose.



You're correct.  It will not only be the Ruling Class Establishment big dogs but all of those invested in their continuation.  They will show their MSM colors.

Liz Trotta, for whom I had respect,  a former New York bureau chief of the Washington Times and a FOX News contributor, a rational commentator,  voiced opinion about the Newsweek cover with Bachmann that she was glad Tina Brown published it because Michele did look & is crazy.  It was a shocker.  They will be everywhere with subterfuge, misdirection and deceit. 


Pandora, it's going to be a long list.



Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: AmericanPatriot on August 14, 2011, 10:04:40 AM

2.  I frequently see references to not only "Paulbots", but also "Palinbots".  Yet many of those same commenters don't seem to notice that they're chugging the Perry kool-aid by the gallon.

Although she may yet throw her hat in, I suspect Palin may have missed her opportunity.
Could be wrong since she is a "rogue"
I find her much stronger than Bachmann.

Her common sense, folksy way of boiling things down to simple explanations is Reaganesque.


I have strong misgivings about Perry.  He seems to be yet another internationalist who is questionable about illegal immigration and border security.  That said, I'll vote for him if he is the nominee.  I can't say the same for Romney.

I,too, have strong misgivings about Perry

ETA:  OMG.  I just looked over there again and saw several comments that seemed to imply that Perry has the nomination locked up, and they're discussing his VP running mate.

Long road ahead and we don't know where the twists and turns are.
Changing events could make a big difference

Perry's not inevitable

I hope I don't have to hold my nose again
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 14, 2011, 10:50:39 AM
...and like clockwork, the establishment conservative mouthpieces begin doing the Left's work....

How Loyal Are Bachmann Supporters? (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/how-loyal-are-bachmann-supporters_588269.html?nopager=1)

Let's just say that according to John McCormack at "The Weekly Standard", not very loyal at all.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: Damn_Lucky on August 14, 2011, 11:00:04 AM
Drudge Had This As His Headline: "And The Winner Is: Bachmann" (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9P3G06O0&show_article=1)

This is actually somewhat surprising in that Paul didn't win. Paul, as most of you know, is notorious for cheating wherever and whenever he can in a vain and somewhat desperate ongoing ploy to make people believe his fringe views are mainstream. The cheating in straw polls usually takes shape in bussing in ineligible voters.

So...what happened here?

Did Paul screw up? Or was Bachmann just that much more a winner?

Paul did finish second. Results below:

Quote
1. Congresswoman Michele Bachmann (4823, 28.55%)

2. Congressman Ron Paul (4671, 27.65%)

3. Governor Tim Pawlenty (2293, 13.57%)

4. Senator Rick Santorum (1657, 9.81%)

5. Herman Cain (1456, 8.62%)

6. Governor Rick Perry (718, 3.62%) write-in

7. Governor Mitt Romney (567, 3.36%)

8. Speaker Newt Gingrich (385, 2.28%)

9. Governor Jon Huntsman (69, 0.41%)

10. Congressman Thad McCotter (35, 0.21%)

Thoughts? Opinions?
I was a Straw Poll volunteer this time around and we were verifying valid IA drivers license, and used the Iraqi finger too!
Mine is still blue. ::USA:: ::whoohoo::  
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: rickl on August 14, 2011, 11:03:03 AM
I was a Straw Poll volunteer this time around and we were verifying valid IA drivers license, and used the Iraqi finger too!
Mine is still blue. ::USA:: ::whoohoo::  

Why the HELL can't we do that for real elections???!!!???
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 14, 2011, 11:18:36 AM

What think all ye of a sticky list, as list such as one Pandora refers to that we may add the name and reference to each published nave who calls himself Conservative or Republican.  Let the top of the topic be the alphabetized list with reference and the rest of the topic numbers be the commentators entries.

I submit:
Liz Trotta, on Fox News Watch Sunday, [witnessed Sat. night]  voiced opinion about the Newsweek cover with Bachmann that she was glad Tina Brown published it because Michele Bachmann] did look & is crazy.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2461.msg27880.html#msg27880 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2461.msg27880.html#msg27880)


Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 14, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
Drudge Had This As His Headline: "And The Winner Is: Bachmann" (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9P3G06O0&show_article=1)

I was a Straw Poll volunteer this time around and we were verifying valid IA drivers license, and used the Iraqi finger too!
Mine is still blue. ::USA:: ::whoohoo:: 

Kudos to you for taking an active role  ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 14, 2011, 11:42:23 AM

I was a Straw Poll volunteer this time around and we were verifying valid IA drivers license, and used the Iraqi finger too!
Mine is still blue. ::USA:: ::whoohoo::  

 ::thumbsup::

Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: John Florida on August 14, 2011, 03:26:40 PM

I was a Straw Poll volunteer this time around and we were verifying valid IA drivers license, and used the Iraqi finger too!
Mine is still blue. ::USA:: ::whoohoo::  

 ::thumbsup::





 ::USA::
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: Libertas on August 14, 2011, 07:31:33 PM
Bachmann may enjoy some quiet when Perry-Romney moves to center stage, the Ruling Class looks childish in attacking Bachmann and what a re they gonna do when Romney gets lit up by Perry?  Perry seems to like grapling, Romney not so much.  So unless the Ruling Class is ready to write off Romney and champion Perry, their attacks on Bachmann seem pointless.  Bachmann uses such attacks as fuel, so they're being doubly stupid.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 14, 2011, 08:57:25 PM

She has a good crew and this sceanario must be in their play book.  She is positioned well. 

Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: John Florida on August 14, 2011, 09:50:57 PM
Bachmann may enjoy some quiet when Perry-Romney moves to center stage, the Ruling Class looks childish in attacking Bachmann and what a re they gonna do when Romney gets lit up by Perry?  Perry seems to like grapling, Romney not so much.  So unless the Ruling Class is ready to write off Romney and champion Perry, their attacks on Bachmann seem pointless.  Bachmann uses such attacks as fuel, so they're being doubly stupid.

 But I want her to have to fight.She needs to be in shape for Bambi when the time comes.
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2011, 06:52:43 AM
Bachmann may enjoy some quiet when Perry-Romney moves to center stage, the Ruling Class looks childish in attacking Bachmann and what a re they gonna do when Romney gets lit up by Perry?  Perry seems to like grapling, Romney not so much.  So unless the Ruling Class is ready to write off Romney and champion Perry, their attacks on Bachmann seem pointless.  Bachmann uses such attacks as fuel, so they're being doubly stupid.

 But I want her to have to fight.She needs to be in shape for Bambi when the time comes.

Oh she'll fight, don't doubt that, she'll just enjoy a different set of targets while Perry & Romney go at it...then she can take on the survivor.

 ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: Iowa Straw Poll Results
Post by: John Florida on August 15, 2011, 01:44:04 PM
Bachmann may enjoy some quiet when Perry-Romney moves to center stage, the Ruling Class looks childish in attacking Bachmann and what a re they gonna do when Romney gets lit up by Perry?  Perry seems to like grapling, Romney not so much.  So unless the Ruling Class is ready to write off Romney and champion Perry, their attacks on Bachmann seem pointless.  Bachmann uses such attacks as fuel, so they're being doubly stupid.

 But I want her to have to fight.She needs to be in shape for Bambi when the time comes.

Oh she'll fight, don't doubt that, she'll just enjoy a different set of targets while Perry & Romney go at it...then she can take on the survivor.

 ::thumbsup::

 That works.