It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Libertas on May 05, 2015, 07:55:21 AM
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/secrecy-eroding-support-for-trade-pact-critics-say-117581.html]If you want to hear the details of the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal the Obama administration is hoping to pass, you’ve got to be a member of Congress, and you’ve got to go to classified briefings and leave your staff and cellphone at the door. If you’re a member who wants to read the text, you’ve got to go to a room in the basement of the Capitol Visitor Center and be handed it one section at a time, watched over as you read, and forced to hand over any notes you make before leaving. And no matter what, you can’t discuss the details of what you’ve read. (http://)
“It’s like being in kindergarten,” said Rep. Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn.)
No, you Prog Takkiya spewing Fascist, this is like being in Hitler's Germany!
“He’s incredibly condescending. It’s like, ‘You’d be all for this if only you hadn’t gotten an F in economics,’” said Rep. Brad Sherman (D-Calif
Sucks when your own tell you they are better than you, huh?
Administration officials point to other members who’ve publicly praised Froman for his responsiveness and his accessibility. Those include House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who at a late April news conference called Froman a “remarkable, remarkable trade rep” who’s “just fabulous, and he’s been just boundless in his willingness to spend time with members to go through this.”
::saywhat:: ::hysterical::
Nice, a ringing endorsement from an evil succubus overflowing with venom!
::laughonfloor::
“He’s indignant when we say it’s secret,” said Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.). “Maybe there’s some definition of secrecy he knows that I don’t know.”
On your knees, knave! Know your place!
::doublebird::
It is all ending so rapidly...
::upsidedownflag::
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Naturally, RINO/AINO POS Mitch is all for this and even goes out of his way to praise the Dear Leader for it and for how it is being handled! (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-05-05/obama-s-trade-bill-gets-boost-as-senate-chief-vows-vote-soon-)
Treason, it is all the rage in latter day America...
::upsidedownflag::
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Sick, almost as bad as ObamaCare! At least in that regard Pelosi et al didn't even allow time for anybody (especially the public) to read the damned thing, but this is bad because the habit of not giving a frak about the people is well-ingrained at this point.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/07/only-two-republicans-admit-they-actually-read-secret-obama-trade-deal-both-unsupportive/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/07/only-two-republicans-admit-they-actually-read-secret-obama-trade-deal-both-unsupportive/)
Politics is fatally infected.
Time to induce a purging fever yet?
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Sick, almost as bad as ObamaCare!
http://www.infowars.com/secret-deal-could-contain-a-myriad-of-gun-restrictions-ammo-bans/ (http://www.infowars.com/secret-deal-could-contain-a-myriad-of-gun-restrictions-ammo-bans/)
No its worse. Not only has no one read it - its top secret to no one who does bother to read it can talk about it without being arrested.
And this is a "TRADE DEAL"? No its an order to hand over complete power to Obama the same way the German Parliament voted to hand Hitler such authority.
If it has unrestricted immigration in it like this article suggests, it WILL spark the civil war- TEXAS will secede and Jade Helm will already be in position.
Its going to be an interesting year I suspect.
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Sick, almost as bad as ObamaCare!
http://www.infowars.com/secret-deal-could-contain-a-myriad-of-gun-restrictions-ammo-bans/ (http://www.infowars.com/secret-deal-could-contain-a-myriad-of-gun-restrictions-ammo-bans/)
No its worse. Not only has no one read it - its top secret to no one who does bother to read it can talk about it without being arrested.
And this is a "TRADE DEAL"? No its an order to hand over complete power to Obama the same way the German Parliament voted to hand Hitler such authority.
If it has unrestricted immigration in it like this article suggests, it WILL spark the civil war- TEXAS will secede and Jade Helm will already be in position.
Its going to be an interesting year I suspect.
Maybe it is worse than we thought...
http://weaselzippers.us/223032-breaking-security-threat-level-raised-at-u-s-military-bases/ (http://weaselzippers.us/223032-breaking-security-threat-level-raised-at-u-s-military-bases/)
1. Obama weakens America from within
2. Obama infests the national security aparatus with muzzies and stooges
3. Obama purges the military of those pesky experienced officers who question the Dear Leaders orders
4. Obama lets any trash across the border, especially muzzies
5. Obama issues warning, not of his new pals he let in, just some nebulous "domestic" terrorists (we all know who he means, and it isn't muzzies!)
6. Obama deploys troops on US soil
7. Obama begins to round up enemies
::saywhat::
People in Germany went along with Hitler...how will we fare?
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Wunderbar:
" Website is offline
No cached version of this page is available.
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Is is just me that gets paranoid when I see this sort of thing?
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Oh good, the warning that the state issued is offline...
Back to the bunker...
::foilhathelicopter::
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While I detest this creatures proglodyte guts...I have to say seeing one prog go after another is perversely entertaining...
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/senator-warren-hits-back-obama-pacific-rim-trade-161148260--sector.html
...perhaps in an odd twist of fate she can help derail this latest cloaked Obamunist plot...
::popcorn::
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Oh, hey...I guess I forgot O'Blowme's best allies when he comes under attack from Tea Partiers or Libiots...
Pubbies (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/241699-liberal-opposition-imperils-trade-bill), who will hail getting this thing done as a triumph of bi-partisan cooperation.
::unknowncomic::
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Oh, hey...I guess I forgot O'Blowme's best allies when he comes under attack from Tea Partiers or Libiots...
Pubbies (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/241699-liberal-opposition-imperils-trade-bill), who will hail getting this thing done as a triumph of bi-partisan cooperation.
::unknowncomic::
Current Main headline on drudge : "DEMS SINK OBAMATRADE- GOP VOWS TO SALVAGE"
And we would vote for the GOP again.. Why?
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Oh, hey...I guess I forgot O'Blowme's best allies when he comes under attack from Tea Partiers or Libiots...
Pubbies (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/241699-liberal-opposition-imperils-trade-bill), who will hail getting this thing done as a triumph of bi-partisan cooperation.
::unknowncomic::
Current Main headline on drudge : "DEMS SINK OBAMATRADE- GOP VOWS TO SALVAGE"
And we would vote for the GOP again.. Why?
Umm...ahhh....because they never get out of the way when democraps implode and insist upon helping them and somehow this makes them the stand up guys they think they are and it will attract those precious moderates we hear so much about but somehow they never amount to sh*t because in the end all they ever do is sh*t all over us?
And get a load of this...O'Fvckface, not happy with the Progs controlling 99% of the media, wants to change how the media reports "news"! (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/12/obama-rips-fox-were-going-to-have-to-change-how-the-media-reports/)
Yes, when both Pubbies and his own kind get in his way, the answer isn't more accountability or more freedom, no the answer is more control.
Not since Hitler, Stalin and Mao shed their husks has there been a more craven power-mad petulant dangerous little statist prick walking the Earth!!!
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E-GOP gives Obama big fast-track Trans-Pac trade win (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-says-senate-pass-fast-track-authority-trade-143316089--business.html)
Red Team, Blue Team...same fricken team...
::mooning::
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Mytch moves to quickly end debate (http://www.trust.org/item/20150519233226-tq8st/?source=search) and get this dirty deal done.
Just as Obama is the Islaminals gift, E-GOP stooges like Mytch are a gift to Obama...
::upsidedownflag::
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Yes, when they have an opportunity to draw blue collar White Democrats into the fold, they snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/business/obamas-push-for-trade-deal-faces-bipartisan-peril-in-house.html?_r=1 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/01/business/obamas-push-for-trade-deal-faces-bipartisan-peril-in-house.html?_r=1)
Uhh huh.
Peril.
In the Boehner (E-GOP) controlled House.
Right.
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I don't think the NY Slimes is that stupid, this is just more bullying...but this time it is bullying of Pubbies and DemonRats. It concerns me that Obama and the E-GOP want this so badly.
PS-And while Julian Assange is a self-promoting asshole (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/28/julian_assange_on_tpp_only_5_of_29_sections_are_about_traditional_trade_essentially_every_aspect_of_a_modern_economy.html), but if his assertions are correct (And htf do we know? None of the SOBs are letting us know what is in the damned thing!) and this is a stealth Patriot Act type power grab/power retainer bill, then this makes Rand Paul's resistance/filibuster efforts in the Senate on the Patriot Act renewal out to be a grandstanding sideshow. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/senators-flash-anger-at-paul-and-vice-versa-118467.html)
Anyway, as I said in the other thread, regardless the outcome, anybody thinking anybody is stopping Big Govt from doing what it wants in the current state of things is a fool.
ETA - And this is not surprising - Corporate members of the US Business Coalition for TPP made donations of over $1M to Senators (http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp) as this atrocity was being debated and whose provisions were kept secret from the people.
This tidbit I saw at WRSA captures the right sentitment I think:
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/Henry%20on%20despots_zps6zblmxlx.png)
In a word...despotism.
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WikiLeaks releases documents related to controversial US trade pact
Activists were out in force today, though it appeared that serendipity, rather than coordination, was responsible for the a string of pranks across Capitol Hill that coincided with the WikiLeaks release. Couriers purporting to have a message from President Obama showed up at the offices of several House Republicans with a note reading: “Please rubberstamp [sic] my secret trade agenda. I have included a stamp for your convenience.”
Inside was a list of bullet points about the trade deal, a note “from the president” and a rubber stamp with the face of Barack Obama and the words “I support President Obama’s Secret Trade Deal”.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/03/wikileaks-documents-trade-in-services-agreement (http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jun/03/wikileaks-documents-trade-in-services-agreement)
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Leaked TISA Documents Reveal Privacy Threat
Under the draft provisions of the latest trade deal to be leaked by Wikileaks, countries could be barred from trying to control where their citizens’ personal data is held or whether it’s accessible from outside the country.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2015/06/04/leaked-tisa-documents-reveal-privacy-threat/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/emmawoollacott/2015/06/04/leaked-tisa-documents-reveal-privacy-threat/)
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Kickbacks for Kronies...eff the public and personal liberty!!! It's the Progressive Way...Bipartisan Approved! This is some good sh*t, huh?!
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/04/two-members-of-boehners-leadership-team-openly-refuse-to-admit-if-theyve-read-obamatrade/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/04/two-members-of-boehners-leadership-team-openly-refuse-to-admit-if-theyve-read-obamatrade/)
Treason.
It's the only item on the Federal menu anymore.
People need to walk away from the GOP, they need to go away...they are so stained by prog-rot they simply cannot be trusted with anything anymore.
Utterly beyond salvaging. Doomed.
Let them die.
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“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Paul Pelosi/Nancy Ryan
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/)
::doublebird::
What a turncoat statist ass-kissing Ruling Class E-GOP beoch!
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“It’s declassified and made public once it’s agreed to,” Paul Pelosi/Nancy Ryan
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/)
::doublebird::
What a turncoat statist ass-kissing Ruling Class E-GOP beoch!
Sounds like Mr. Ryan is begging to spend some time in the dentist's chair. The real question then becomes will the dentist be shocked when he discovers Obama's DNA in Ryan's mouth?
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What Ryan is trying to convince House Republicans to do is vote for Trade Promotion Authority (TPA) which would fast-track at least three highly secretive trade deals—specifically the Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP), the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA), and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (T-TIP)—and potentially more deals.
Right now, TiSA and T-TIP text are completely secretive and unavailable for even members of Congress to read while TPP text is available for members to review—although they need to go to a secret room inside the Capitol where only members of Congress and certain staffers high-level security clearances, who can only go when members are present, can read the bill.
I want to know, WHO decided this had to be done in secret. WHO made the Congressweasels sign the agreement to keep it quiet?
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LOL. Those are your "Representatives" everybody.
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Who?
Obviously it has to be the leadership!
Welcome to the Socialist States of America...
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/cgwbensviaa-avy_zpsywpt8abf.jpg)
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It is ironic that the best hope of killing this latest abomination is coming from Democrats...
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/kevin-mccarthy-house-gop-trade-vote-119009.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/kevin-mccarthy-house-gop-trade-vote-119009.html)
...of course that isn't stopping E-GOP morons from trying to push it through...
...the main thing for Dem's is holding the line for their prime campaign contributors - the extorted wages from union members.
Still, I think one way or another this crap gets through...if there is one constant in the universe it is Pubbies doing the wrong thing...
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I can't say how creeped out I am when I realize I agree with Nancy Pelosi on this.
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Yup. But I've examined it up and down and all around, I am against TPP/TAA bundled or unbundled.
The Dem's are opposing it for mostly the incorrect reasons...which helps cut down the eeew! factor a bit.
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House Vote Today (6/18) on the unbundled bill (http://iotwreport.com/?p=289).
The outcome is almost immaterial, if passed and signed we're hosed, if shot down it will only be revised and/or implemented by decree anyway, and we're hosed...
Basically all Red/Blue can do anymore is hose us...
I long for the day when that is flipped around a full 180 degrees...
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Just read this via Twitter...
No wonder Obama won't let us read TPP
Phyllis Schlafly: Deal would separate us from Constitution and national sovereignty
On Friday, Congress disrupted President Obama’s plan for a sweeping transfer of U.S. sovereignty to an unaccountable group of foreign busybodies. Hurray for the stalwart Americans who resisted the demands of Obama, the Republican leadership and the big-donor claque – but Speaker Boehner plans to give Congress another chance this week to make this dangerous mistake.
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) would turn over to globalists the power to issue regulations about U.S. trade, immigration, the environment, labor and commerce. It’s called a “living agreement,” which means the globalists can amend and change the text of the so-called agreement after it has gone into effect.
That reminds me of our supremacist judges who invented the term a ‘living” Constitution, which they can rewrite to comport with their own updated ideology. The globalists claim that this “living” document (TPP), now called Obamatrade, has all the powers of a treaty to commit the U.S. to new foreign obligations, although it certainly did not comply with any U.S. constitutional provisions for treaty ratification.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., has frankly warned about this giveaway of U.S. sovereignty. Not only would Congress give up its powers to negotiate and write the terms of a treaty, but Congress also gives up its power to debate and amend the deal, to apply a cloture vote in the Senate, and to require a two-thirds vote in the Senate.
The secrecy wrapped around TPP is appallingly un-American. Whatever happened to Obama’s promise of “transparency”? TPP was negotiated and agreed to by Obama’s trade representative and a bunch of foreigners in a secret room, and the American people are not allowed to know the details until after it’s a done deal.
TPP puts us in a new political and economic union before a single private citizen is told about it and with public opinion running five to one against it. Remember when Nancy Pelosi said we had to pass Obamacare in order to find out what is in it?
Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., warns, “TPP calls for the formation of a permanent political and economic union known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership Commission, which will have power to issue regulations impacting not only trade but immigration, the environment, labor and commerce.” He added, Congress “will have surrendered its legislative prerogatives. Before a word, line, paragraph, or page of this plan is made public, Congress will have even agreed to give up its treaty powers.”
Sen. Sessions made it even more emphatic, saying that fast track “authorizes the president to form a new transnational governance structure. … It confers the power to both compel and restrict changes to U.S. policy, to commit the U.S. to international obligations, and to cede sovereign authority to a foreign body.” This new global body could even add new member countries (such as China).
Attacked, debased, maligned and vilified: This foundational institution is fighting for its life. Order Phyllis Schlafly’s latest book, “Who Killed the American Family?” along with her updated classic, “A Choice, not an Echo”
Sessions continued: “Congress would be pre-clearing a political and economic union before a word of that arrangement has been made available to a single private citizen. This has the earmarks of a nascent European Union,” and Americans certainly don’t want to belong to a European union (that’s why we fought the American Revolution).
Rep. Hunter also warns that the new global governance institution would be “authorized to issue policies and regulations affecting our economy, our manufacturers, our workers, our immigration procedures, as well as current, labor and environmental practices.”
TPP is separating us from the U.S. Constitution and from national sovereignty and replacing both with a global governance superstructure. TPP has wrapped its audacious global governance plan in the mantle called “free trade,” which is a misnomer if there ever were one.
“Free trade” means Americans must obey a bunch of rules written by foreigners (which we can’t veto), but China can ignore those rules. TPP didn’t even touch the subject of currency manipulation against us by Asian countries.
While the American people are denied the right to read TPP, thanks to leaks from WikiLeaks we have learned that Obamatrade includes 10 pages to unilaterally alter our current U.S. immigration law. Sen. Sessions says TPP will give Obama a backdoor to increase immigration, and the same lobbyists who are pushing for Obamatrade are demanding open borders.
Republicans need a bold program to bring back jobs that have been lost to Asian countries. Michele Bachmann summed up a pro-American verdict on TPP: “I hate it. It would empower the president, cut out congressional influence and lead to American jobs leaving the U.S.”
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/no-wonder-obama-wont-let-us-read-tpp/#HZ2fzoIo6shORCAq.99 (http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/no-wonder-obama-wont-let-us-read-tpp/#HZ2fzoIo6shORCAq.99)
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Just like Agenda 21 and all the rest of the ComIntern treasonous bullsplatter.
Cue Streetlight Serenade
::pullhair::
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Ready the orchestra...
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/21/sen-sessions-slow-fast-track-now-before-its-too-late/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/21/sen-sessions-slow-fast-track-now-before-its-too-late/)
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Call Mitch, yes dial him up and call him a treasonous pile of steaming scat!
http://iotwreport.com/?p=290309 (http://iotwreport.com/?p=290309)
http://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactForm (http://www.mcconnell.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=ContactForm)
And this - http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2566818 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2566818) - is total BS! Every time we hear the "conservatives" are upset and "plotting revenge" nothing every happens...because there are more E-GOP assholes than real conservatives!
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See?
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245827-senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama (http://thehill.com/policy/finance/245827-senate-advances-fast-track-trade-bill-for-obama)
Humped again.
And this BS from McConnell - “If we all keep working together and trusting each other, then by the end of the week the President will have TPA, TAA and AGOA and Preferences on his desk — with Customs in the process of heading his way too,”
Let me translate that for the peasantry...
“If we all keep working together and trusting each other, then by the end of the decade we will have ended America as she once was — to the point that it will never go back to those days of individualism and personal liberty, and we the Ruling Elite and our crony cohorts in the corporate sector will be masters of all and beholden to none.”
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Police%20State/cgwbensviaa-avy_zpsywpt8abf.jpg)
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It's a lot easier in the DemonRat party to exert compliance to leadership dictates, since 99.99% share the same Prog DNA...in the GOP it is a bit harder given what few true conservatives and tea party rebels have succeeded in infiltrating that nest of establishment vipers, but that doesn't mean the GOP leaders are shy about exacting revenge upon their foes using any means at their disposal (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/246337-the-dozen-rebels-targeted-by-gop-leaders).
What irks me to no end is why anybody is trying to pretend to play nice with any of these establishment assholes! Everytime they try to oust Beohner they fall predictibly short because they lack the numbers the E-GOP can muster. The answer is obvious, you want to play hardball or not? If so, ya'll are going to have to vote with the Dem's, it's the only way to oust Boehner as Speaker...and there is no reason not to do it, after all if we're going to have a rubber stamp in the House for Obamunism it might as well be that succubus Pelosi, eh?
But no, there will be no hardball, just hard balling...
Take that however you want, works both ways...
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I wish conservatives in his district would just take one for the team and vote for his Dem opponent. It would at least force them to choose a new Speaker -- who would be no better, I know....
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?
Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel (http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/obama-free-trade-and-the-israelites/)
I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?
Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel (http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/obama-free-trade-and-the-israelites/)
I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
Thought the GOP be feckless, brainless and spineless, I still blame the Praetorian Guard for letting this piece of scat continually breath.
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Wow...who didn't see this coming?
Obama violates the new ObamaTrade law by telling Congress to eff off, will pursue trade agreements with nations that are boycotting Israel (http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/obama-free-trade-and-the-israelites/)
I guess the effing Einstein's in the GOP leadership didn't see this coming...or they did and they didn't give a rats ass...either way America just got more fascist overnight, thanks to the GOP.
Thought the GOP be feckless, brainless and spineless, I still blame the Praetorian Guard for letting this piece of scat continually breath.
True and true enough...but there is more blame to go around than you can shake a stick at...
This is what a descent into Hell looks like...