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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Libertas on March 22, 2018, 12:28:32 PM
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This grotesque bill that gives DemonRats everything and rapes us needs to be set on fire!!
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If he signs this I'm done.........
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If the Pubbies we're capable of growing a spine and play hardball liike the Progs they'd force through a bill giving the executive line item veto...then all the prog goodies could be gutted...let them cry! Hell, MAKE THEM CRY!
I despise cowards....hate their damned asses!!! ::pullhair::
That Senator from LA summed it up..."It sucks".
Words are fine, where are the deeds?!
If Trump signs this he could be signing his political suicide note.
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If he signs this I'm done.........
Yet another defining moment in Trump's presidency.
I'm ready to win again and no, I'm not tired of winning yet.
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Not signing it is just closing the door after the horse escaped. 6 months covered by this bill have already past,
The next battle will start the day after it is signed, the FY2019 Budget and Appropriations must be worked out.
Oh Damn, we have an election year, just remember if your current congressman is a Rino who voted yes.
Trump has 10 days to sign, or if the good ole boys go into recess, ta da. Course govt shuts down on the 29th
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I think the GOP is proactively working to ensure they lose majority power in the mid-terms. They understand that with both chambers of the legislature and the presidency, they are accountable to voters to enact a conservative agenda, and that's something they never truly wanted. They say it at election time, but they trust that they always have plausible deniability to say, "we can't - we don't have the numbers." Now they have the numbers, and they don't like it. It exposes their hypocrisy. So they're going to throw the mid-terms, absorb the disdain of the base, and sit by smugly as the Democrat majority impeaches a duly elected president who threatens the establishment control over the country.
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I think the GOP is proactively working to ensure they lose majority power in the mid-terms. They understand that with both chambers of the legislature and the presidency, they are accountable to voters to enact a conservative agenda, and that's something they never truly wanted. They say it at election time, but they trust that they always have plausible deniability to say, "we can't - we don't have the numbers." Now they have the numbers, and they don't like it. It exposes their hypocrisy. So they're going to throw the mid-terms, absorb the disdain of the base, and sit by smugly as the Democrat majority impeaches a duly elected president who threatens the establishment control over the country.
Exactly the plan ::facepalm::
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According to Dave Brat (R-House), the Senate snuck in a provision declaring there will be no budget next year, 2019, so Paul Ryan, running around saying "only for six months" is lying again or has been duped.
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According to Dave Brat (R-House), the Senate snuck in a provision declaring there will be no budget next year, 2019, so Paul Ryan, running around saying "only for six months" is lying again or has been duped.
Two different things, a Budget is an outline of what they want to spend. I don't believe budgets are mentioned in the
constitution. What happened today was 16 appropriation bills combined into one. There might not be a 2019 budget,
but you can bet there will be appropriations bills. Those are required. Ryan is correct, an appropriation bill cannot
extend beyond Sept 30. Trump will hold a briefing at 1pm EST.
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Better veto this garbage. If Trump is smart he needs to call this E-GOP bill no different than an Obama bill....let the E-GOP kill themselves, but refuse to touch the knife!
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According to Dave Brat (R-House), the Senate snuck in a provision declaring there will be no budget next year, 2019, so Paul Ryan, running around saying "only for six months" is lying again or has been duped.
Two different things, a Budget is an outline of what they want to spend. I don't believe budgets are mentioned in the
constitution.
True.
What happened today was 16 appropriation bills combined into one. There might not be a 2019 budget,
but you can bet there will be appropriations bills. Those are required. Ryan is correct, an appropriation bill cannot
extend beyond Sept 30. Trump will hold a briefing at 1pm EST.
Yes, Omnibus = multiple appropriation bills.
What I'm pointing out is, Constitution notwithstanding (and because it's not prohibited), there's been no actual budget, proposed/debated/amended/passed/signed since Obongo's reign and it doesn't look as though Congress has any intention of returning to the practice. These 'continuing resolutions' are problematic in that, it appears to me, the method is too hurried, sneaky and encourages massive and wasteful spending.
Rush is JIPping Trump's address, he's talking about the military spending and, while cutting away for a commercial break, it's sounding to me that, for that reason, he'll sign the freakin thing.
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Trump said this would be the last omnibus bill of this kind that he'd sign.
BULLsh*t
I thought he was able to make good deals?!?!?!?
::cussing:: WTF
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What a BULLsh*t artist ::pullhair:: ::pullhair:: ::pullhair::
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It's for the defense spending, but WTF is right! He could and should have vetoed it and made Congress parlay.
Plus, the next appropriations come up in September/October, right before the mid-terms.
I'm disgusted.
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"Congress' ....... support for the border"! WTF is he talking about?
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"Congress' ....... support for the border"! WTF is he talking about?
I believe there's $$$ in there for a wall in Lebanon or somewhere over there
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Ann just had the best reply to this. " I'll never sign another like this"..Yeah cause you'll be impeached.
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Not to damn well rehearsed, that's for sure. I am disappointed, but not dishearted.
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"Congress' ....... support for the border"! WTF is he talking about?
I believe there's $$$ in there for a wall in Lebanon or somewhere over there
Allegedly yes, supposedly border security for lebanon, Syria, and Irac.
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I loathe the GOP with the deepest of visceral loathing. The political solutions are exhausted, and it's 100% their fault. The Leftists were always the Leftists. But it's the GOP that has failed to rise up and guard liberty against the assault of the Leftists. F*** em.
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But it's the GOP that has failed to rise up and guard liberty against the assault of the Leftists.
Worse than that; the eGOP has joined the Leftists. They funded Planned Parenthood AGAIN, along with other Leftist orgs.
Dan Bongino often says government flunkies have no power in "yes"; their power resides in "NO", no, you may not.
F*** em.
Hell yeah.
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f**k this noise!
Trump just signed a second term away! No way he recovers from this! He just took the gun the E-GOP placed at their temple and held it to his own! Might as well fling the borders open, spend twice as much for 2019, raise the minimum wage to $25/hr, nationalize healthcare...f**k it - crash this goddamned farce!
Red Team, Blue Team...same f**king team! They are for themselves...not us!
The "well, we ain't them" BS won't fly let alone get off the ground any more, they ARE them!
Whatever Hell-spawned POS the DemonRats advance in 2020 will roll into office.
BITS!!!!
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Welcome to the UNI-Party. ::bashing::
Done with these fuggers. ::cussing::
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If he signs this I'm done.........
I'm done.
Well, I guess it depends on what one might characterize "done" as meaning. For me it means support for the people who are supposed to be our voice. Virtually every one of them has sold us out and seriously need dirt naps.
So I'm going to further withdraw from a society that has become more rot than apple. My town has lurched left and I can't take it anymore so I'm cranking up the Ark and looking to relocate. The more rural the better.
I never much liked people anyway...
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People suck!
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People suck!
Elite politicians suck more.
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I loathe the GOP with the deepest of visceral loathing. The political solutions are exhausted, and it's 100% their fault. The Leftists were always the Leftists. But it's the GOP that has failed to rise up and guard liberty against the assault of the Leftists. F*** em.
It took a while but I came to the same conclusion.
The GOP didn't even try to negotiate. Trump couldn't do anything about it. He could have let the government shut down, but I'm sure the democrats were ready for that.
I think Trump did the best with what he had. In the mean time, he's got a government to run.
On to the mid-terms.
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The GOP didn't even try to negotiate. ...
They're such good losers. They would rather be a minority party where they can vote against Obamacare when it doesn't mean anything.
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I look at it like this, he got the $144+ billion for the military and no DACA. There is still October, they better pass a conservative budget and no Omnibus bulls#!t. Individual appropriations bills, so he can pick and choose those he will sign and those he won't.
Two laws I wish would happen,
1 Term limits on all elected government officials
2 Presidential line item veto
But as we know it's a wish.
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I look at it like this, he got the $144+ billion for the military and no DACA. There is still October, they better pass a conservative budget and no Omnibus bulls#!t. Individual appropriations bills, so he can pick and choose those he will sign and those he won't.
Two laws I wish would happen,
1 Term limits on all elected government officials
2 Presidential line item veto
But as we know it's a wish.
I don't agree with term limits.
Term Limits=perpetual dhimmicrats in office.
Why?
Because pubbies are mercurial and dhimmicrats are drones.
The left will obediently vote for any POS as long as it has a (D) behind it's name.
Pubbies obsess over the slightest flaw in their champions and seek any possible reason to abandon them.
So the left will always have an advantage over the right when it comes to elections - and I'm only talking about the fair elections.
Institute term limits on Congress and you will never see another pubbie majority in either house (not that they have amounted to anything when in the majority)
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At the end of the day the pubbies couldn't put aside their differences w/ Trump and do what's best for the country. A tantrum.
Yup. Losing seems to be their "safe space."
So, we have tantrum throwing 5-year-old pubbies vs vindictive prepubescent dims vs one adult.
Time to get into their faces.
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Did the shooting start yet? No?
Okay , call me when it does.
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At the end of the day the pubbies couldn't put aside their differences w/ Trump and do what's best for the country. A tantrum.
Yup. Losing seems to be their "safe space."
So, we have tantrum throwing 5-year-old pubbies vs vindictive prepubescent dims vs one adult.
Time to get into their faces.
I say let's send 'em home to think about their mistakes!
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Reading elsewhere, I've seen the idea that Trump can spend what he likes where he likes, as the omnibus appropriations, being not an actual Budget, funds are ........ fungible. Reminded as well this is exactly how Obongo operated for eight years.
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Reading elsewhere, I've seen the idea that Trump can spend what he likes where he likes, as the omnibus appropriations, being not an actual Budget, funds are ........ fungible. Reminded as well this is exactly how Obongo operated for eight years.
Yep! it isn't called the "Discretionary Appropriations Bill", it's like Head Start Program, supposed to be funded by the Fed, not much
money ever showed up for that, because it was discretionary. I haven't seen it lately, but there is the Non-Discretionary side too. it's
larger then the discretionary, and it covers must pay items, like Social Security, Medicare, Interest on the Debt...etc. Congress and
the White House get notified what the Treasury will be paying out each month, no Bills needed.
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Reading elsewhere, I've seen the idea that Trump can spend what he likes where he likes, as the omnibus appropriations, being not an actual Budget, funds are ........ fungible. Reminded as well this is exactly how Obongo operated for eight years.
Yep! it isn't called the "Discretionary Appropriations Bill", it's like Head Start Program, supposed to be funded by the Fed, not much
money ever showed up for that, because it was discretionary. I haven't seen it lately, but there is the Non-Discretionary side too. it's
larger then the discretionary, and it covers must pay items, like Social Security, Medicare, Interest on the Debt...etc. Congress and
the White House get notified what the Treasury will be paying out each month, no Bills needed.
Hmmm... Maybe the Head Start community would like to learn how to survey - you know - like the best way to build the wall.
It'd be a mighty shame if some of the participants were hurt by crossing illegals. The leftists would likely accuse us of hiding behind children.
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If he signs this I'm done.........
I'm done.
Well, I guess it depends on what one might characterize "done" as meaning. For me it means support for the people who are supposed to be our voice. Virtually every one of them has sold us out and seriously need dirt naps.
So I'm going to further withdraw from a society that has become more rot than apple. My town has lurched left and I can't take it anymore so I'm cranking up the Ark and looking to relocate. The more rural the better.
I never much liked people anyway...
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I can't wait to disengage...unfortunately I have to slug it out at least another 10-12 years before I can phase out and go rural...in the meantime stuck in urban living...
::outrage::
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People suck!
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Did the shooting start yet? No?
Okay , call me when it does.
Yep. Marking time...
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Reading elsewhere, I've seen the idea that Trump can spend what he likes where he likes, as the omnibus appropriations, being not an actual Budget, funds are ........ fungible. Reminded as well this is exactly how Obongo operated for eight years.
Yep! it isn't called the "Discretionary Appropriations Bill", it's like Head Start Program, supposed to be funded by the Fed, not much
money ever showed up for that, because it was discretionary. I haven't seen it lately, but there is the Non-Discretionary side too. it's
larger then the discretionary, and it covers must pay items, like Social Security, Medicare, Interest on the Debt...etc. Congress and
the White House get notified what the Treasury will be paying out each month, no Bills needed.
Congress has been gutless for quite a while.
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And it is pointless searching for differences between Red Team and Blue Team.
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And ruling by cowardice and complicity is not even closely related to any notion of "good government". Yes, the executive has some flexibility...and the deference to Presidential whim is not a solution, and it only serves to advance the further erosion of trust and ethics when you capitulate to the lowest common denominator of greed and fancy.
The system is too large, too corrupt...it is beyond salvage.
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And people cannot wake up fast enough to matter now...maybe later, if they survive...
Whatever, I sound like a, well...
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Plan accordingly.
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Lookee here: (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2018/03/president_trump_hints_he_may_use_defense_budget_to_build_the_border_wall_now.html)
President Trump tweeted something very suggestive this morning, indicating that he may use the powers of the executive to work around the $1.3 trillion abomination’s limitations on the border wall:
... “Build WALL through M” sounds like a plan that John Salisbury outlined in a Twitter thread yesterday. Rather than embed each tweet, I will post their contents below. Readers who want to reference an individual tweet may visit the link above to review the entire thread.
1) Let's talk about what the President can and can't do for this Omnibus Bill. There's a lot of discussion both ways so let's examine how money gets allocated & spent in the US Government:
1. Congress allocates money to be spent. The President spends the allocated money.
2. Once Congress allocates money, their job is oversight of the money being spent. They don't spend the money and have no say HOW it gets spent as long as it's spent legally. That's their job to monitor with oversight.
3. Once the President is given the money with the instructions to spend it, he has a number of choices to make in spending it. There are some rules he has to follow & some of the money is fungible and some isn't.
4. However there are some other factors that are in play here. One of them is that the President has declared a Human Rights Emergency AND has notified Congress that he's invoking the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985. 5. This opens up new options.
6. By making these two declarations President Trump has just communicated that he has the authority to NOT spend any funds he doesn't deem necessary and will return them to the US Treasury. So, funds for Planned Parenthood? He can simply not allocate the funds.
7. Also, these declarations make some funds fungible. For instance if he determines that building a Wall on the Southern Border is a defense against Human Trafficking? He can move funds from anywhere else in the Defense Dept Allocation & simply build the Wall.
8. Congress is powerless to stop cash reallocations on an omnibus bill AND cannot stop the DOD from taking measures under a declared Emergency. 9. Despite their language in the Omnibus Bill about the Border Wall, it is trumped by the State of Emergency that Trump declared.
8) So in summary - This will go to the Courts. Congress will sue the President over the Border Wall. But here's how it will play out - Congress and the President are co-equal branches with different functions. Congress allocates. The President spends.
9) The President has National Security as his Primary Responsibility and it's his job to use whatever funds and declarations he needs to for that job. No Court in this Nation (except corrupt on the take Judges) would EVER rule against a President for exercising that authority.
10) In the end the Supreme Court (yes, that's where it will end) will fully VALIDATE the President's Constitutional Authority & the Wall will be built. /end #MAGA #QAnon #TQFam #8Chan #TheGreatAwakening #TheStormIsHere @POTUS #InternetBillOfRights #FreeTheInternet
In a later tweet, Salisbury speculates:
This has got Mulvaney's fingerprints all over it...
Note that Nick Mulvaney, head of the OMB, outmaneuvered and outsmarted Elizabeth Warren’s cats paws at the Consumer Financial Protection Board, and became simultaneously the director there in order to begin dismantling its burdensome regulations. Taking advantage of Warren's design, he is now immune from Congressional oversight there. There is little doubt that he is highly skilled at using bureaucratic and legal farmeworks.
I am not a constitutional lawyer, and have no idea if this strategy would work. But I ike the way it promises to get the job done.
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Another case of Congress delegating authority to the executive and people being either elated or butthurt depending who the executive is. I do not like it that people good at navigating the bureaucracy are needed, but in latter day America it is what it is.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/insurers-pick-up-the-pieces-after-obamacare-bills-fail (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/healthcare/insurers-pick-up-the-pieces-after-obamacare-bills-fail)
"Insurers expressed disappointment that infighting over abortion language defeated the stabilization package, which lawmakers tried to add to the government spending bill last week."
Apparently the great Obamacare bailout didn't make it into the Appropriations Bill. Insurers have until June 20th to decide whether
they will remain in the program, and Premiums will be rising again in November.
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Rush was talking about this and apparently Trump may be able to use some of the military money to build the wall.
1. The Donald declares a human rights/trafficking emergency
2. This allows him to dip into the military budget
3. Part of the emergency response is to build a wall
Actually, I think the opioid epidemic is more of an emergency, but what the hey...
Trump knew he was probably going to get screwed with this but signed it anyway because - he had an insurance policy ::pimp::
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Rush was talking about this and apparently Trump may be able to use some of the military money to build the wall.
1. The Donald declares a human rights/trafficking emergency
2. This allows him to dip into the military budget
3. Part of the emergency response is to build a wall
Actually, I think the opioid epidemic is more of an emergency, but what the hey...
Trump knew he was probably going to get screwed with this but signed it anyway because - he had an insurance policy ::pimp::
Covered here:
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16372.msg171351/topicseen.html#msg171351 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16372.msg171351/topicseen.html#msg171351)
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Rush was talking about this and apparently Trump may be able to use some of the military money to build the wall.
1. The Donald declares a human rights/trafficking emergency
2. This allows him to dip into the military budget
3. Part of the emergency response is to build a wall
Actually, I think the opioid epidemic is more of an emergency, but what the hey...
Trump knew he was probably going to get screwed with this but signed it anyway because - he had an insurance policy ::pimp::
Covered here:
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16372.msg171351/topicseen.html#msg171351 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16372.msg171351/topicseen.html#msg171351)
Actually, it's right here:
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16361.msg171339.html#msg171339 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,16361.msg171339.html#msg171339)
Correction: Or just scroll up this page.
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