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Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: Pandora on July 29, 2011, 12:55:47 PM
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The House has passed two bills related to the debt ceiling. The Senate has yet to submit a counter proposal in writing. All of their proposals, including the President's have been verbal, which even the CBO says they can't score. Why then does the House continue to try to scramble to put together legislation that doesn't have a chance of passing in the Senate? The Democrats are making the Republicans look like idiots by saying, "Jump!" and the House Republicans keep responding by saying "How high?"
Speaker Boehner: please stop trying to draft any further legislation. Change two words in the Cut Cap and Balance bill and re-send it to the Senate. Then dismiss the House members and tell them that you'll call them back when the Senate has submitted a response for consideration. Period. And make sure that every single Republican emphasizes that they have done their job and the Senate Democrats have not. They still haven't put anything in writing! Shout that from the rooftops! Stop playing nice and start saying it like it is.
EXACTLY!!! Bell rings/dog drools!
STOP!
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/07/speaker_boehner_please_stop_saying_how_high.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/07/speaker_boehner_please_stop_saying_how_high.html)
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Ideology aside, Boehner has to be one of the most incompetent Speakers in recent memory. Honestly I don't think he even knows what he is doing from a procedural standpoint half the time. "The Stupid Party" could not be a more relevant moniker.
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Interesting Nugget About John Boehner’s Bill (http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/07/30/interesting-nugget-about-john-boehners-bill/)
Guess who wrote it?
The late-night jousting in the Senate followed a vote on House Speaker John A. Boehner’s debt-limit measure, which would extend the Treasury’s borrowing power until early next year and force another economy-rattling fistfight within a few months.
Drafted largely by aides to Reid and McConnell last weekend, the measure was originally designed to appeal to the more centrist Senate.
Everything we’ve gone through this week was elaborate theater to get us ultimately to an even worse conclusion. At least 22 Republicans didn’t fall for it.
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Boehner has shown he has neither the guts and/or intelligence to stop submitting worthless pieces of legislation to Reid and company. Dems have around 20 seats up for re-election soon, so reid isn't gonna force them into a vote that will get them grilled back home. Reid is political posturing only. So is obama. The ONLY WAY TO GET THEIR ATTENTION is to not play. Then, when libs blame republicans, it will be with sweat running down thier collective foreheads. Mr Boehner...Call thier damn bluff.
We are the party of stupid.
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The first indication of a deal was when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) abruptly delayed a late-Saturday night test vote on his plan lifting the federal debt ceiling until 1 p.m. Sunday afternoon, and said the move was made at the request of the White House.
Then around 11pm Jonathan Karl of ABC and Major Garrett of National Journal (formerly of Fox) have both announced a deal to end the debt ceiling stand off. Both reporters are describing a similar deal, which is very close to the Boehner plan but it has an automatic trigger in place to secure the "second half" of the debt ceiling increase, so no new negotiations will be necessary in December.
The deal begins with a short term increase of the debt ceiling, just a few days worth so the deal can be put in legislative language and passed.
Other component parts of the tentative deal include:
At Yid With Lid (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2011/07/breaking-deal-boehner-and-white-house.html), courtesy of ACE.
Frankly, at this point my head is spinning. "Cuts" are included, but no timeframe.
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The first indication of a deal was when Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) abruptly delayed a late-Saturday night test vote on his plan lifting the federal debt ceiling until 1 p.m. Sunday afternoon, and said the move was made at the request of the White House.
Then around 11pm Jonathan Karl of ABC and Major Garrett of National Journal (formerly of Fox) have both announced a deal to end the debt ceiling stand off. Both reporters are describing a similar deal, which is very close to the Boehner plan but it has an automatic trigger in place to secure the "second half" of the debt ceiling increase, so no new negotiations will be necessary in December.
The deal begins with a short term increase of the debt ceiling, just a few days worth so the deal can be put in legislative language and passed.
Other component parts of the tentative deal include:
At Yid With Lid (http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2011/07/breaking-deal-boehner-and-white-house.html), courtesy of ACE.
Frankly, at this point my head is spinning. "Cuts" are included, but no timeframe.
There are no cuts....Only language.
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Yeah. A "cut" in Washingtonese means "not spending quite as much borrowed ChiCom money as we were originally planning to; will probably be reversed by a future Congress".
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This McConnell-Reid BS needs to die a quick death! Don;t fear the artificial dates, there is EXISTING REVENUE to pay P&I and most of our bills!
::gaah::
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Plenty of money, however, when you bought and paid for by those that desire the country to be indebt up to our eyeballs, well, you get the drift. ::slapfight::
A thousand people with guns to charge the hill and let the executions begin. Then we shall have our country back. Other then this drastic draconian measure, I doubt we'll ever be able to take the ticks off the host.
Starve them all, quit filing and paying the country's bullsh*t progressive income tax. Can't jail everyone. Mus tbe the biggest reason for tax amnesties and settlements. The theivng bastards would much rather you settle with the promise that you'll file and pay in the future. What a scam, wish I thought of it, better yet, I wish our ancestors were a bit smarter than the actual useful idiots that proceded to assfvck the future generations.
Please forgive my bad language, i'm Royally pissed that I can do nothing but start the freakinig revolt.
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The Repub's are committing suicide if they think passing this is a good thing or the only deal possible! Ceding congressional spending and debt limit authority to "The Destroyer" (Obamakov) while protecting every socialist program is the very definition of insane! If the House lets him have this, the Repub's are toast, period. They will have opted for obvlivion as a national party.
Two good links -
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/debt-ceiling-celebration?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/debt-ceiling-celebration?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/fiat-crack-addict-convulsing-and-headed-straight-dts?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29 (http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/fiat-crack-addict-convulsing-and-headed-straight-dts?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29)
Time to kick these fothermucking debt addicts to the street!
R-E-V-O-L-T
Revolution Engaged Voters Overthrowing Leftist Thugs!!!
PS-I sent a very urgently worded note to my gal Michele to lead an effort to kill this abomination!
ETA - Michele - "spends too much and doesn't cut enough. ... Someone has to say no. I will."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEBT_SHOWDOWN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-31-21-05-43 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DEBT_SHOWDOWN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-31-21-05-43)
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Bottom line:
Currently we have to borrow money every month to keep the store open,
with the passage of this bill, we will still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
Even if we frooze spending for the next 10 years at this year's base line,
we would still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
But, instead of going in the hole for 10 trillion over the next 10 years,
they have agreed to just going in the hole 8 trillion for the next 10 years.
Gee, I feel so much better. :)
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Bottom line:
Currently we have to borrow money every month to keep the store open,
with the passage of this bill, we will still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
Even if we frooze spending for the next 10 years at this year's base line,
we would still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
But, instead of going in the hole for 10 trillion over the next 10 years,
they have agreed to just going in the hole 8 trillion for the next 10 years.
Gee, I feel so much better. :)
Wow, how did they come to such a great agreement? They certainly earned every penny of thier money. I don't know what I'd do without such great leadership. ::grouphug::
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Bottom line:
Currently we have to borrow money every month to keep the store open,
with the passage of this bill, we will still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
Even if we frooze spending for the next 10 years at this year's base line,
we would still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
But, instead of going in the hole for 10 trillion over the next 10 years,
they have agreed to just going in the hole 8 trillion for the next 10 years.
Gee, I feel so much better. :)
Wow, how did they come to such a great agreement? They certainly earned every penny of thier money. I don't know what I'd do without such great leadership. ::grouphug::
I know you're being sarcastic...these idiots make that response too easy, don't they?
This is all political PR to give Duh Wun all the spending he wants on the same silly crap he wants and all we'll get is screwed with more debt and a horsehsit economy. This is leadership we can ill afford or long survive!
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I don't know this dude, but I hope this isn't BS!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/)
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Cartoon that depicts what is going on right now.......
http://www.riverpointechurch.org/pix/debtceiling.jpg (http://www.riverpointechurch.org/pix/debtceiling.jpg)
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Bottom line:
Currently we have to borrow money every month to keep the store open,
with the passage of this bill, we will still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
Even if we frooze spending for the next 10 years at this year's base line,
we would still have to borrow money every month to keep the store open.
But, instead of going in the hole for 10 trillion over the next 10 years,
they have agreed to just going in the hole 8 trillion for the next 10 years.
Gee, I feel so much better. :)
Wow, how did they come to such a great agreement? They certainly earned every penny of thier money. I don't know what I'd do without such great leadership. ::grouphug::
I know you're being sarcastic...these idiots make that response too easy, don't they?
This is all political PR to give Duh Wun all the spending he wants on the same silly crap he wants and all we'll get is screwed with more debt and a horsehsit economy. This is leadership we can ill afford or long survive!
Yeah, sarcasm seems to fit today.....maybe every day....
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I don't know this dude, but I hope this isn't BS!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/)
Did you read any of the comments? ::gaah::
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Cartoon that depicts what is going on right now.......
http://www.riverpointechurch.org/pix/debtceiling.jpg (http://www.riverpointechurch.org/pix/debtceiling.jpg)
Don't give the libs any ideas.....
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I don't know this dude, but I hope this isn't BS!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/)
Did you read any of the comments? ::gaah::
Just the first five; that was enough.
It's CNN, what can you expect.
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Yeah, no need to read teh comments at that site!
I think Lee is a good guy from what little I've seen and I wish him the best. Hope he doesn't cave.
This whole thing is absurd. Stuart Varney, whom I think very highly of, said what R-man said re: borrowing/spending less...but still going in the hole by 50% from where we are now!!! How the f**k does that solve our problem?
I told my kids today that the average debt owed by each of us is somewhere around $45k and my 9y.o. boy, who can't really grasp the amount, looked stunned and said, "But what did I do to get stuck with that?"
Warpmine is right.
Only one way to solve this.
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Dan's avatar.
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Yeah. Remember teh row it caused when I first put it up?
I tell ya', I'm only keeping one eye on things and having a fantastic summer. I know what needs doin', but I'm not gonna' let my time get commandeered by these scumbags. I'll get the rage going again when the timing is right.
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Yeah. Remember teh row it caused when I first put it up?
I tell ya', I'm only keeping one eye on things and having a fantastic summer. I know what needs doin', but I'm not gonna' let my time get commandeered by these scumbags. I'll get the rage going again when the timing is right.
There was a row HERE when you put it up? No, don't remember and too frikkin bad; I like it.
Do what keeps you sane. I've slipped over the edge and there's no coming back.
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
Yeah, that's pretty ironic, seeing he's over at Grouchies now with a Confederate Flag avatar .... fer crissake.
People make me nuts.
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
Yeah, that's pretty ironic, seeing he's over at Grouchies now with a Confederate Flag avatar .... fer crissake.
People make me nuts.
Apparently I made the correct choice...
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
Yeah, that's pretty ironic, seeing he's over at Grouchies now with a Confederate Flag avatar .... fer crissake.
People make me nuts.
Apparently I made the correct choice...
Yes. You did.
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I like the avatar. I believe it is the literal truth, too. I often find myself wondering in amazement at the fact that our colonial ancestors were, in so many ways, less harassed by the British Crown than we are today by the government instituted to replace it.
Yeah. Remember teh row it caused when I first put it up?
I tell ya', I'm only keeping one eye on things and having a fantastic summer. I know what needs doin', but I'm not gonna' let my time get commandeered by these scumbags. I'll get the rage going again when the timing is right.
I don't blame you for indulging in diversions. I've sort of crossed a line where the only satisfaction I have left is pure unbridled schadenfreude when the enablers and useful idiots chafe at the impositions of their own creation. The whole debt ceiling debacle (remember when the continuing resolution debate was brushed aside, so that we could "focus on the real fight ahead", i.e. this?) has provided ample and conclusive evidence that there is no hope whatsoever of achieving a political solution to this country's grave peril. The Republican party has made, as its semi-official policy, the idea that they do not have to be good or worthy, they simply have to be not quite as sh*tty as the Democrats and they'll always have our votes. "What are they gonna do, vote for the Democrats? Ha!" -- that's the GOP platform.
And, no, I know that a third-party challenge is hopeless. Weisshaupt mentioned in another thread that he thinks some people find his assessments too pessimistic, but I don't think that's the case at all. He is exactly right in the things he says.
Seriously -- at this stage in the decline of the republic the intellectual and emotional energy spent on politics would be better vested in other pursuits, namely those things that are likely to prove useful in the dark times ahead.
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
Yeah, that's pretty ironic, seeing he's over at Grouchies now with a Confederate Flag avatar .... fer crissake.
People make me nuts.
Tell him hi from his ol' buddy. Nah. Jus' kid'n.
How in the hell can he last over there?
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I think it was at the old IAF. GScott thought it imprudent or something and there was a good back and forth.
As you can see, I like it too! And I believe it!
Yeah, that's pretty ironic, seeing he's over at Grouchies now with a Confederate Flag avatar .... fer crissake.
People make me nuts.
Tell him hi from his ol' buddy. Nah. Jus' kid'n.
How in the hell can he last over there?
I won't and yes, I know.
How? He keeps his head down and goes with the flow there.
We'd have merged and accommodated his perspectives if he hadn't been hell-bent on shoving it down our throats with no escape-clause.
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...We'd have merged and accommodated his perspectives if he hadn't been hell-bent on shoving it down our throats with no escape-clause.
I know it. It pisses me off. He was "one of us" in the loose sense of the word, and for whatever reason, he felt the need to blow it up.
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I don't know this dude, but I hope this isn't BS!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/31/sen-lee-threatens-to-filibuster-debt-ceiling-vote/)
Did you read any of the comments? ::gaah::
The unsane walk among us..worse yet, they still multiply.
Any sane person realizes this may be the point in time where people look back and point to as the beginning of the end for the GOP.
::mooning::
This so-called "debt deal" is going to blow up in our faces and it will not prevent a rating downgrade. Our paper will be junk-bond status sooner rather than later...it's a matter of when not if.
Get used to seeing these numbers explode -
http://www.usdebtclock.org/ (http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
I am almost 99.999% convinced that peaceful political action is incapable of rescuing this Republic-in-name-only.
I agree with G, I think the time has come to spend my time on more productive things to deal with the mother-of-all-sh*tstorms coming our way.
Oh, and for the record, Dan's avatar kicks ass!
::thumbsup::
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So. It passed in the House. ::gaah::
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what happened to the TEA Party?
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"This so-called "debt deal" is going to blow up in our faces and it will not prevent a rating downgrade. Our paper will be junk-bond status sooner rather than later...it's a matter of when not if."
The submissive Pubbies, by nature, give it up to their masters while listening to love songs telling them they have won. Oh listen to Maxine rail against you, you have won big time, bah.
However, there will be no downgrade, S&P and Moody's can't afford to do it. The Dems, by pointing out prier inaccuracies, even though they were doing the Dems bidding, are warning the agencies of future retribution if they downgrade. Thus, we have another "independent" agency of a free society co-opted and no downgrade.
"what happened to the TEA Party?"
Forty were elected twenty were assimilated and the brave balance fought the good fight.
That's the way it will all play out.
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The House vote -
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/02/compromise_passes_house_congress_cheers_2_trillion_more_in_debt.html (http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/08/02/compromise_passes_house_congress_cheers_2_trillion_more_in_debt.html)
My gal Michele voted it down.
I dunno Charles, you see the economy pooping itself and a bunch of Ruling Class idiots seriously addicted to spending and I don't know how one doesn't downgrade this paper. At some point "too much" will be defined. We're already way out of the historical Debt:GDP ratio, what makes you think this will get better? Obamakov tries to force taxes up, the economy will collapse and government receipts will evaporate...screams for massive cuts will commence and the left will die rather than cut anything...there is no good end here as long as Ruling Class fools hold sway.
More Ruling Class trash has to be purged from the GOP, but a) do you think their cheerleaders (like The Butthead) will stand pat while the Tea Party targets more good republicans? and b) do we really have the luxury of time to bother with this for very long anyway?!
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... b) do we really have the luxury of time to bother with this for very long anyway?!
No. Not in my opinion.
The Senate just passed it.
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OK, we just gave Obama 2.9 trillion for his campaign funds,
so does anyone really believe there will ever be any cuts?
Hint:
check the history
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Link to CO's thread seems proper -
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2357.0.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,2357.0.html)
God, how I hate this!
::cussing:: ::angry:: ::rockethrow:: ::gaah:: ::rockets:: ::puke:: ::laserkill:: ::slapfight:: ::falldownshocked::
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OK, we just gave Obama 2.9 trillion for his campaign funds,
so does anyone really believe there will ever be any cuts?
Hint:
check the history
Oh hell no. The "cuts" weren't to start taking place for a couple years anyway, the rest further out. This Congress cannot bind a future Congress now anyway; the Balanced Budget Amendment is supposed to remedy that.
Cuts. I have to laugh. As I understand it, the "thinking" runs like this: government is presumed to grow (forever) at a rate of about 7%; the "cuts" are "minimizing" that to 5% ..... or 4%. Or something. Still growing, just a little less, emphasis on the little. I figure this is what the "progressives" mean by "progress".
Furthermore, the House was sold on the idea that raising the debt ceiling was for paying for money already spent.
And the F**kstick in Chief is on now, gloating. ::rockets::
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Not just gloating; he's already talking about "shared sacrifice" meaning tax increases. And Dingy Harry right behind him - same spiel. They haven't even stopped to take a breath.
So, Mr. "Conservative" Pundit, Mr. Speaker of the House, who've been saying "this is the best deal we could get", what have y'all got to say now?
I'm sick to my stomach.
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So, Mr. "Conservative" Pundit, Mr. Speaker of the House, who've been saying "this is the best deal we could get", what have y'all got to say now?
I hope he knows he's toast next election. We WILL NOT forget. At least I hope his constituents don't forget.
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All this proves is the liberals think the last election cycle was an abboration and the republicans believe a few tea partiers satisfied the masses.
Next election cycle, rid ourselves of more democrats and more pseudo conservatives.
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Give 'em Hell in Twenty Twelve.
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Being toast next election isn't enough. Until they feel genuine fear in their hearts none of this crap will change. And I've got news for them: in this crappy economy there's an ever growing population of people who feel like they have nothing left in life to lose.
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Being toast next election isn't enough. Until they feel genuine fear in their hearts none of this crap will change. And I've got news for them: in this crappy economy there's an ever growing population of people who feel like they have nothing left in life to lose.
Yea...they gotta have fear in thier hearts. First, if you are a rino or liberal, too scared to run. Next, the fear of becoming the minority in your own party.... For those left, who have not faced the voter and want to keep thier job, will become responsible with thier vote.