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Topics => 2nd Amendment/Firearms => Topic started by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on April 11, 2013, 11:53:51 AM
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The following Republican Senators voted AYE (along with 52 Democrats) on the motion to proceed on gun control legislation. If you live in one of these states call them and let them know how you feel: 202-224-3121
Alexander [TN]
Ayotte [NH]
Burr [NC]
Chambliss [GA]
Coburn [OK]
Collins [ME]
Corker [TN]
Flake [AZ]
Graham [SC]
Heller [NV]
Hoeven [ND]
Isakson [GA]
Kirk [IL]
McCain [AZ]
Toomey [PA]
Wicker [MS]
The good news is that the majority of the GOP voted with us. 15 didn't. Now we have to keep replacing these guys with more conservatives each election until we can take back our party and our country.
And before we start back on the vote them all out idea, keep in mind that the Democrats were pretty much 100% against us. (2 didn't vote.)
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Gawdammit, Burr voted with the traitors.
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They're all traitors.
Except for (maybe) 3
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Question for those more familiar with parliamentary procedure:
What is the net effect of this vote? On the face of it the procedure only allows the various bills to advance to debate. Now I'm not so naive as to be ignorant of all the underhanded shenanigans that the dhimmis routinely pull, but it isn't like they signed on to any of the bills - have they?
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Don't know who the co-authors are, but I believe a Senator can filibuster each and every amendment to the bill that comes up for debate...since the loser Dingy Harry warned them not to do that. So, if they passes on this motion merely to set the stage for multiple filibusters then all is forgiven, if they cave as we expect and grab their ankles then the treason is complete. Either way this is all part of the O'Bongo-Reid-Pelosi campaignissue gin-up to pin the slaughter of little kiddies on the Repub House.
It's all high drama for campaign commercials to bludgeon the sheeple with. As we have seen...support for ankle-grabbing Pubbies continues to slide and the strategy of lies, damned lies and demonazi propaganda campaigns could very well succeed.
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It was allowed to advance. So one opportunity to kill it has passed and it went unscathed. You can predict a vote somewhere down the road. And we will lose. And many of those who could have stopped it here will vote against it there. But, it will be too late.
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Do I have to remind people that the Republicans that allowed this to move forward are progressives too. They are just as frightened of an armed public as are the Demoscats.
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Alexander ( no surprise) and Corker ( shows more each day what he is)........I know it is useless with Alexander, but I'm gonna contact both.
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Gawdammit, Burr voted with the traitors.
I told y'all about him. That letter I got from him didn't give me any warm & fuzzies about his pro-gun bona fides. It was a typical politician's position, i.e. both positions and neither.
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Gawdammit, Burr voted with the traitors.
I told y'all about him. That letter I got from him didn't give me any warm & fuzzies about his pro-gun bona fides. It was a typical politician's position, i.e. both positions and neither.
Yes, you did, but I've been aggravated by him since '06 when he played coy about whether he was going to stand up for us or cave on that POS amnesty bill.
It was allowed to advance. So one opportunity to kill it has passed and it went unscathed. You can predict a vote somewhere down the road. And we will lose. And many of those who could have stopped it here will vote against it there. But, it will be too late.
Not just allowed to advance; by voting this way, they've seen to it that it doesn't need 60 votes for it to pass now.
Howzzat pragmatism workin' fer ya now, hmmm?
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Time and again they pull this crap on us.
Instead of using every opportunity to stop things they allow it to pass through whereinevitably it passes
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It was allowed to advance. So one opportunity to kill it has passed and it went unscathed. You can predict a vote somewhere down the road. And we will lose. And many of those who could have stopped it here will vote against it there. But, it will be too late.
Not just allowed to advance; by voting this way, they've seen to it that it doesn't need 60 votes for it to pass now.
Howzzat pragmatism workin' fer ya now, hmmm?
Better than shooting one's self in the foot, not as good as having won the primary for the best man in the first place.
We need to run a true conservative, who can win the general, against him in the next primary. But, if he is the most conservative candidate in the general, I will vote for him, again.
Bear in mind, not one word has been said against Senator Hagan. She is running next cycle. I want HER gone FIRST. But, I will not forget Senator Burr's betrayal.
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To paraphrase an infamous coach who once sported the colors purple & gold in these parts "The Pubbies are exactly who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook"!
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To paraphrase an infamous coach who once sported the colors purple & gold in these parts "The Pubbies are exactly who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook"!
Funny that the enemy is from Chicago in both cases.
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Sen. Mark Kirk says (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/11/sen-mark-kirk-booze-and-boat-parties-smoothed-bipa/) the real driving force behind the gun deal that was hatched by bipartisan work was booze and boat retreats.
...visits to the Black Tie, a [54'] yacht (http://assets.dnainfo.com/generated/chicago_photo/2013/04/2001-sea-ray-sundancer-1365702695.jpg/image320x240.jpg) UPDATE: (http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20130411/chicago-citywide/booze-boat-helped-forge-senate-gun-compromise-sen-mark-kirk-says?cluster_id=253898&index=6&group_hood_id=) (File Photo) owned by Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin, played a large role in the Democratic-Republican come-together...
If booze and visits on that boat are all it takes to sway opinion ...we're sunk.
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Letter from Pa legislators to Toomey
http://www.pahousegop.com/Display/SiteFiles/CaucusFiles/Documents/ToomeyLetter.pdf (http://www.pahousegop.com/Display/SiteFiles/CaucusFiles/Documents/ToomeyLetter.pdf)
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The Toomey-Manchin compromise language is finally public. Here’s (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345381/not-just-internet-sales-and-gun-shows-robert-verbruggen)the relevant part:
It shall be unlawful for any person other than a licensed dealer, licensed manufacturer, or licensed importer to complete the transfer of a firearm to any other person who is not licensed under this chapter, if such transfer occurs-
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Gawdammit, Burr voted with the traitors.
I told y'all about him. That letter I got from him didn't give me any warm & fuzzies about his pro-gun bona fides. It was a typical politician's position, i.e. both positions and neither.
Yes, you did, but I've been aggravated by him since '06 when he played coy about whether he was going to stand up for us or cave on that POS amnesty bill.
Alright, so what are going to do about him? At a minimum we need to write his office and let him know he needs to do his damn job or we guarantee he's going to be looking for another one. I know there's me, you, and BAS who live in NC. Anyone else here on the forum?
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Gawdammit, Burr voted with the traitors.
I told y'all about him. That letter I got from him didn't give me any warm & fuzzies about his pro-gun bona fides. It was a typical politician's position, i.e. both positions and neither.
Yes, you did, but I've been aggravated by him since '06 when he played coy about whether he was going to stand up for us or cave on that POS amnesty bill.
Alright, so what are going to do about him?
We primary the sonofabitch.
At a minimum we need to write his office and let him know he needs to do his damn job or we guarantee he's going to be looking for another one.
Via Grassroots NC:
"Misguided {my ass - P.} US Senate gun control proposals could have been quickly killed during Thursday's vote to proceed, if not for 13 “sell-out” Republicans who cut unknown deals with Harry Reid (D-AZ). Both of our Senators voted to subject our Second Amendment rights to infringement. This is unacceptable, and they both must pay.
It was perhaps expected from Hagan given her GRNC 0-star rating, but Burr's betrayal is unforgivable. As late as Wednesday, April 10th he had pledged to join patriots like Senators Paul and Cruz in filibustering the motion to proceed. The fact the very next day he voted in favor MAKES IT CLEAR Burr has LIED to NC voters and cannot be trusted to defend our fundamental liberties.
They both may claim they “want debate” and that they don't intend to vote for the bill, and that there are opportunities to filibuster later. Don't buy it. There is nothing good that can come from this bad bill remaining alive a second longer than it has to. It is now possible to use this bill as a “vehicle” for unknown amendments that will be introduced – including Feinstein's modern rifle ban. The entire federal gun control effort could have been over today and the threat behind us. Instead, now we must watch the Senate's every move as “must pass before we know what's in it” amendments are introduced.
Both Burr and Hagan need to understand that IF ANY gun control restrictions are passed as a result of their betrayal THEY WILL BE HELD RESPONSIBLE!
Letter to Burr:
"Dear Senator Burr:
I am very disappointed {aggravated as all get-out - P.} that you have voted in favor of proceeding with the Obama/Biden/Feinstein gun control bill. This disappointment is particularly sharp because you lied about joining a filibuster of the motion to proceed with it. This dishonesty is unforgivable, and you have much to do in order to regain my trust.
Nothing so far proposed will do anything to reduce violent crime or prevent mass-murder of those made defenseless by law in “Gun Free Zones”, such as the children killed in Newtown. The problem isn't so much that criminals are armed, but that we have laws imposing defenselessness that seem to pretend criminals will obey them.
What you have helped move can only further erode the Second Amendment freedom of law-abiding Americans.
As your constituent I expect you to do all in your power to eliminate the threat this bad bill presents to my fundamental liberty at every opportunity.
I will be following progress through Grass Roots North Carolina alerts."
I know there's me, you, and BAS who live in NC. Anyone else here on the forum?
CHF.
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I'm trying to think of what to write without prompting a visit from guys in mirrored sunglasses.
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We need to start looking for a conservative to primary Senator Burr in his next election, no doubt, and I will support that person over Burr.
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I don't disagree, and I will continue to engage in the political process, but I just see virtually no hope in it. We're always having to throw these pricks out of office, and what do we ever gain for it? The 2010 midterm was of historical proportions, and our reward has been a weeping quisling as Speaker. Then in 2012, they doubled down on it by making him Speaker again.
Also, supposing we do primary Burr and get a better senator in there, the damage has been done already. Republicans never reverse course on anything. The best you can ever hope for with them is that -- maybe! -- they'll halt the leftward slide for a while. But it never goes back to the right.
I have to give the Left one thing: they have strategic ideological vision and are committed to it. They voted for ObamaCare even knowing many of them would pay a political price in the 2010 midterms. But they also knew they'd eventually get back into power and they'd be able to "behold this fully armed and operational battle station".
Sigh. Sorry. I'm just so sick of having daggers in our back from these swine. They're playing political games. Watch, when it goes up for a full vote, they'll vote against it there while knowing it's going to pass regardless. They want it to pass, and merely needed to maneuver into a position where it would pass while still giving them the opportunity to vote against it for political cover. If they had actually wanted to kill it, they could have done it earlier in the process.
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Look what these Pubbies voting said - "It's the right thing to do", uhh huh, for who? They always cave because they fear the media and fear what the Left says about them more than they fear us! There is no accountability precisely because we are not demanding it, and when we do demand it (and primary them out) they get the likes of The Butthead and other Ruling Class minions to help them run an end run on us and run in the general as an Indy that at best puts a luke-warm progressive in office or at worst ensures a flaming-hot prog gets put it. Either way we are screwed, the country dies slow or dies fast. As Hillary would say "What difference does it make"?
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From GOA:
We've been fighting these gun control battles for almost 40 years now. And we almost always win. But it's almost always a nail-biter.
And so it is on Obama's gun control agenda.
We'd hoped that we could stop the gun control bribe-o-thon early (and risk-free) by blocking the motion to proceed to the package. But thanks to sell-outs like Pennsylvania's one-term senator, Pat Toomey, we're going to have to take a different battle position and defeat the package at a later stage.
The Senate today overcame the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and voted to move to proceed to Harry Reid’s gun control bill (S. 649). Where Reid needed 60 votes, the tally was 68-31. Click here to see if your Senator sold you out by voting to “move to proceed” to the bill.
Republican defectors who voted anti-gun were: Alexander (TN), Ayotte (NH), Burr (NC), Chambliss (GA), Collins (ME), Corker (TN), Coburn (OK), Flake (AZ), Isakson (GA), McCain (AZ), Heller (NV), Hoeven (ND), Kirk (IL), Graham (SC), Toomey (PA) and Wicker (MS).
So, here's where we are. Right after the Senate proceeded to the gun control bill, Harry Reid used his privileged recognition to put a bunch of amendments in place. In Senate parlance, they are referred to as an "amendment tree;" and they contain the universal registry bill, the Feinstein gun ban, and the magazine ban. These will be voted on in upcoming days.
As for the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer universal registry bill, don't believe the press' efforts to sugar-coat it. If you have ever had an "Internet ... posting" on (or related to) your gun, you can sell it only by going to a dealer and filling out a 4473 and getting the government's approval. Only a cave man would be exempt.
And once you have a 4473? Well, the ATF is going from dealer to dealer, copying the information on these forms, and feeding it into a database. But, says Toomey, he's against universal registries. This is where it would have helped if Toomey had consulted someone who knew something about guns.
Registration and violation of privacy.
First of all, Toomey’s anti-registry language prohibits photocopying the 4473's, but it doesn't prohibit going into the FFL with a laptop and copying all the information. Second, ATF takes the position that the data it's accumulating in a database is not a "registry," so Toomey's ban does no good. Third, guess what the sanction is for violation of Toomey's anti-registry language? Answer: Eric Holder has to choose to prosecute himself and his own department.
But this isn't the only bad thing about Toomey-Manchin-Schumer.
Section 107 of the sell-out also waives any federal privacy prohibitions under HIPAA to sending the names of Americans with PTSD, ADHD, and post partem depression to the gun ban database. But that’s not all.
Believe in Jesus, hand in your guns?
Because private shrinks will be able to add patients names into a federal database of the mentally ill - without due process - you will be at their mercy.
As Red State editor, Erick Erickson says, “Activist mental health providers will probably be overly aggressive in adding people to the list. Give it five years in liberal areas and people who believe in the physical resurrection of Christ will probably get automatic entry onto the list.”
And as for veterans? Toomey-Manchin-Schumer reinforces the proposition that bureaucrats in the Department of Veterans Affairs can take away veterans' rights without any due process. If a veteran has $30,000 to spend getting back the rights Toomey-Manchin-Schumer wrongly took from him, the sell-out creates yet another redundant money-trap for restoration of rights that shouldn't have been taken away in the first place.
Repealing gun owner protections.
What if you want to travel across the country? McClure-Volkmer allowed you to do that with an unloaded gun in the trunk (18 U.S.C. 926A). But, under the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out, unless you can "demonstrate," to the satisfaction of the New York police (1) where you came from, (2) where you're going, (3) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you can from, and (4) that you're legally entitled to possess the gun in the place you're going, THEY WILL ARREST YOU in New York.
The Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out creates a Biden-like commission to insure that the cries for gun control continue.
Like sprinkles on a pile of dung, Toomey and Schumer steal some of the proposals we drafted and try to use them to get us to buy onto gun control. But it won't work.
The gun movement is united against this disgusting pile of gun control.
Here is the new battlefield. Because of the Senate rules, many of the upcoming gun control votes will need 60 (out of 100 votes) to move forward. That will almost certainly be the case with the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer proposal. And because the entire Second amendment movement - GOA, NRA, etc. - is against the Toomey language, it virtually ensures his amendment will fail.
And if Toomey-Manchin-Schumer doesn't pass, then Reid probably won’t have enough votes to overcome a second filibuster on the bill - as it would contain the original anti-gun language sponsored by Reid and Schumer. This all but guarantees that the legislation would die, as Republicans and a half-a-dozen Democrat Senators would then team up to keep the bill from getting the required 60 votes.
One last question or thought: Did we waste our time supporting the Paul-Cruz-Lee filibuster and fighting the motion to proceed? No, because we forced Obama to fire most of his ammunition, as he dragged his human props around Washington in an effort to exploit them for political gain.
If Obama had been able to wait to play this card until Toomey-Manchin-Schumer came up for a vote, that vote would be a lot harder for us to win.
But Obama has already played this card for his "they deserve a vote" theme. Okay, they're getting their vote. But by the time we reach the vote on cloture on Toomey-Manchin-Schumer, Obama's exploitation of the victims of Newtown will begin to be realized for the cynical exploitative political ploy that it is. And he will be less able to shift gears and use the victims for the theme “They deserve a ‘yes’ vote.”
ACTION: So contact your Senators. Tell them to vote against cloture on the Toomey-Manchin-Schumer sell-out.
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If you go to "lamar"(!) alexanders facebook page, you can read all about his fight for the 2nd amendment. ::laughonfloor:: ::gaah:: ::hysterical::
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Graham to Oppose Toomey-Manchin (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345615/graham-oppose-toomey-manchin-eliana-johnson)
When Lindsey gets his ruffles up he can make it happen.
Johnny Mac isn't going to like it.
Does this mean they're not a couple anymore?
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It means Grahamnesty has already calculated that it will pass, so he now he gets to make a big show of voting against it.
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The realist in me agrees with you G.
He and J-Mac can still swap...whatever...
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Graham to Oppose Toomey-Manchin (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/345615/graham-oppose-toomey-manchin-eliana-johnson)
When Lindsey gets his ruffles up he can make it happen.
Johnny Mac isn't going to like it.
Does this mean they're not a couple anymore?
Actually means Graham's looking forward at his re-election in a pro gun state. f**king rat bastard! ::effu::
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Also very true Warp.
More troubles on the Senate side -
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html)
Hopefully the trouble goes up several notches...time to really come down hard on Toomey and the rest of the AINOs supporting this crap, really go for their throats like a rabid starving wolf! Don't stop rippin' 'til the legs stop twitchin'!
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Also very true Warp.
More troubles on the Senate side -
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/gun-control-bill-in-peril-90117.html)
Hopefully the trouble goes up several notches...time to really come down hard on Toomey and the rest of the AINOs supporting this crap, really go for their throats like a rabid starving wolf! Don't stop rippin' 'til the legs stop twitchin'!
Who is it, GOA, that's pushing the NRA and congress to the right?
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GOA is the real deal. No compromise. They have indeed been responsible for forcing the NRA to toughen its own stances, a net good for all. I am a member of both organizations, but GOA is the one that is really "me".
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GOA is the real deal. No compromise. They have indeed been responsible for forcing the NRA to toughen its own stances, a net good for all. I am a member of both organizations, but GOA is the one that is really "me".
Ditto and fully agree. I sent my e-mails to local clowns this AM warning them to be on the right side of the MN leftard bills working through House & Senate per GOA info. ::thumbsup::
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Don't know what good it will do, but I sent the following to Burr:
Senator Burr,
I urge you to vote against the Toomey-Manchin compromise on the proposed gun legislation currently under debate in the Senate.
Even though many of these proposals are being advanced under the rubric of "reasonable", my concern is over unforeseen ways in which they might be abused or misused in the future.
Government solutions must by necessity be broad and generalized, and this makes them akin to driving nails with a sledgehammer. We must therefore be very cautious in deciding to give government new powers, and the test we impose should be very high indeed.
I urge you to oppose these efforts to infringe upon 2nd Amendment rights.
Sincerely,
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I'll bet a sh*tload of dollars to a couple doughnuts you get the standard DC two-step non-declarative baby-splitting answer that is a thinly disguised "sorry Charlie". I place my own odds at 4:1 my House guy blows me off and the Senator is a push.
::unknowncomic::
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I'm sure you're right. I was dissatisfied with his non-committal him-hawing in the last response I got, and that was before his recent sellout. At this point I don't even consider writing them in some misguided hope of saving the country, but more as a prebuttal to the "we didn't know" bleating that we'll certainly hear when things get interesting.
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Agreed, for some folks placing a clear marker makes the denials much more easier for us to discard. When the SHTF discarding concern for the personal welfare of such will be returned in kind.
ETA - Hey, whattaya know, I just heard back from the State Senator, looks like he may have even answered it himself saying he is definitely voting against the bill going through that chamber. If the Rep waffles I end up with a net push.
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http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/manchin_background_checks_deal_wont_pass/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/17/manchin_background_checks_deal_wont_pass/)
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Harry Reid admits that this is "Anti-gun legislation"
http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/reid-calls-new-legislation-the-anti-gun-legislation/ (http://dailycaller.com/2013/04/16/reid-calls-new-legislation-the-anti-gun-legislation/)
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Late Breaking News! (per Drudge report!)
A bipartisan proposal to expand background checks to gun shows
and Internet sales fails in the Senate in a 54-46 vote,
in major setback for gun control push.
(Fox News)
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Late Breaking News! (per Drudge report!)
A bipartisan proposal to expand background checks to gun shows
and Internet sales fails in the Senate in a 54-46 vote,
in major setback for gun control push.
(Fox News)
Is it too early to woohoooo?
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Late Breaking News! (per Drudge report!)
A bipartisan proposal to expand background checks to gun shows
and Internet sales fails in the Senate in a 54-46 vote,
in major setback for gun control push.
(Fox News)
Is it too early to woohoooo?
Sheesh, who knows. I'm kind of in stasis, waiting for another shoe to drop.
At this point, I'd recommend giving everything that has to do with government the 24-hour rule treatment. But that's me, IDP's fellow Eeyore.
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Late Breaking News! (per Drudge report!)
A bipartisan proposal to expand background checks to gun shows
and Internet sales fails in the Senate in a 54-46 vote,
in major setback for gun control push.
(Fox News)
Is it too early to woohoooo?
Sheesh, who knows. I'm kind of in stasis, waiting for another shoe to drop.
At this point, I'd recommend giving everything that has to do with government the 24-hour rule treatment. But that's me, IDP's fellow Eeyore.
No action this government could take other than to disband or be blown to smithereens will give me cause for optimism.
This "victory" in the senate is only another indication that this federal government is hell-bent on eradicating liberty. A failure now will not deter them, and they will relentlessly attack our liberties, forever. The majority will continue to elect them to do exactly that.
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We were told time after time obamacare was dead....look how that turned out.
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We were told time after time obamacare was dead....look how that turned out.
Yup. And even when it was on life support, Dr. John Roberts performed CPR.
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Yes, "Doc" Roberts made the incredible leap of judicial logic in deciding that it's a tax, even though the legislature that enacted it and the president who signed it claimed it wasn't. A tax on what, you ask? What is the taxable activity? Why, being alive of course! Drawing oxygen into your lungs is the taxable activity.
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Now prices start falling.
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Now prices start falling.
Lets hope. ::praying::
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Reid voted against it so it can be reintroduced.
They're really good at feints, even it they don't
create them.
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(http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p98/IronDioPriest/image_zps604fccef.jpg)
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The fascist bill died and Pier Morgan lied.
There's a headline we'll never see on CNN.
Oh, and did y'all see/hear Prez f**kface accusing others of what he does all the time and what he did yet again straight to our faces?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/17/obama-denounces-gun-rights-groups-willful-liars/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/apr/17/obama-denounces-gun-rights-groups-willful-liars/)
::vafancoul:: f**kface!
Damned demons! They just lie right in your face, constantly!
::doublebird::
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I heard Øblowme on the radio and I thought he was gonna piss his panties. Even Carter showed more brass than our limp-wristed POSOTUS. He got me yelling at the radio on my car and other drivers were more than a little alarmed
::evil::
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We were told time after time obamacare was dead....look how that turned out.
Yup. And even when it was on life support, Dr. John Roberts performed CPR.
More like the opening of Robot Chicken.
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I heard Øblowme on the radio and I thought he was gonna piss his panties. Even Carter showed more brass than our limp-wristed POSOTUS. He got me yelling at the radio on my car and other drivers were more than a little alarmed
::evil::
So I am not the only one doing that! ::cussing::
::evil::
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I heard Øblowme on the radio and I thought he was gonna piss his panties. Even Carter showed more brass than our limp-wristed POSOTUS. He got me yelling at the radio on my car and other drivers were more than a little alarmed
::evil::
He sure was calm and composed in the aftermath of that terrorist attack though.
Insight into what pisses him off and what doesn't.
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Of course, when he thinks he can take advantage of a crisis he is all about smooth talk, but tell him NO and he loses it.
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Yes, but to IDP's point - losing his temper because his exploitation of tradgedy gun bill failed in a chamber he thought was in 100% in his pocket is one thing, caring about slaughtered people for any other reason than exploitation is quite another.
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Yes, but to IDP's point - losing his temper because his exploitation of tradgedy gun bill failed in a chamber he thought was in 100% in his pocket is one thing, caring about slaughtered people for any other reason than exploitation is quite another.
That man is overjoyed at all of the whiteys killed hurt and mamed.. He is only upset that this bill didn't pass because he fundamentally wants people disarmed and at the mercy of Black Gangs when the collapse comes.
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Yes, but to IDP's point - losing his temper because his exploitation of tradgedy gun bill failed in a chamber he thought was in 100% in his pocket is one thing, caring about slaughtered people for any other reason than exploitation is quite another.
That man is overjoyed at all of the whiteys killed hurt and mamed.. He is only upset that this bill didn't pass because he fundamentally wants people disarmed and at the mercy of Black Gangs when the collapse comes.
He has us confuused with da poh-leece.
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If it has anything to do with Judeo-Christian or Western European culture he wants it destroyed. That is his protocol.
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If only Speaker Boner told him to f**koff more often than not, he might have stroked out.