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Title: Wisconsin??
Post by: John Florida on August 09, 2011, 09:41:37 PM
Anybody hear anything??I haven't been watching TV.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Pandora on August 09, 2011, 09:43:31 PM
Cribbed from elsewhere at 8:30 PM:

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2 of the 6 have been called in favor of the GOP.  It does look like Kapanke will lose his seat.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: John Florida on August 09, 2011, 09:45:14 PM
Cribbed from elsewhere at 8:30 PM:

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2 of the 6 have been called in favor of the GOP.  It does look like Kapanke will lose his seat.

 Aren't the dems being recalled too??
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Pandora on August 09, 2011, 09:46:40 PM
Cribbed from elsewhere at 8:30 PM:

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2 of the 6 have been called in favor of the GOP.  It does look like Kapanke will lose his seat.

 Aren't the dems being recalled too??

Theirs is in ten days.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 09, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
Cribbed from elsewhere at 8:30 PM:

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2 of the 6 have been called in favor of the GOP.  It does look like Kapanke will lose his seat.

 Aren't the dems being recalled too??

Theirs is in ten days.

But for some reason, only 2 Dems are facing recall elections. Not sure why that is, when they were the bastards who fled the state. You'd think every last one of them would face a recall.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2011, 07:18:31 AM
Cribbed from elsewhere at 8:30 PM:

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2 of the 6 have been called in favor of the GOP.  It does look like Kapanke will lose his seat.

 Aren't the dems being recalled too??

Theirs is in ten days.

But for some reason, only 2 Dems are facing recall elections. Not sure why that is, when they were the bastards who fled the state. You'd think every last one of them would face a recall.

I know, we just don't play by the same rules as our damned enemies!

Anyway, here's a link on the contests -

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_0eab6966-c2a9-11e0-a206-001cc4c03286.html (http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/article_0eab6966-c2a9-11e0-a206-001cc4c03286.html)

I'm really happy Harsdorf succeeded.  Her district covers my folks place at the lake, and I know they and many in the area supported her.  The stinking demonrat Moore ran some of the dumbest ad's I've ever heard, and they swamped our TV/Raido market in the Twin Cities because of station reach into Western Wisconsin.  Moore had all the union money behind her and I am so glad she went down in flames.  I hope the union money pissed away hurts those bastards as much as the political loss!
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 10, 2011, 07:56:12 AM
Holding the Wisconsin senate is great news, especially since the seats were threatened because they took a strong conservative stance. Even though 2 pubbies lost, this shows that the people are paying attention, even in a blue-state, union, political cesspool like Wisconsin. And there is a strong possibility that the GOP picks up a seat next week in the recall of the 2 Dem fleebaggers. Only losing one seat in a recall based on such a strong thrust by all the might of the commie labor movement will be a thorough repudiation of their position. More importantly, it is an affirmation of the conservative agenda in Wisconsin, which is a good snapshot of what is going on all across the country as the stakes become clear to the American people.

They wanted to make the stakes national, and now they'll have to live with the implications.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 08:30:01 AM
LINK (http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/unions-lose-big-wisconsin)

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In the end, the union-backed Democrats picked up only two state Senate seats in Wisconsin last night, at a staggering cost in time, effort, and of course money. One of the seats was solidly Democratic, held by a Republican due to an apparent fluke of nature. The other was held by an alleged adulterer who had moved outside his district to live with his young mistress, and whose wife was supporting his recall.

As for the other four Republican incumbents the unions tried to recall, they didn't end up coming very close. And remember -- these weren't just any Republican incumbents. These were the ones that the unions judged most vulnerable, which is why they collected petition signatures against them.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 10, 2011, 08:31:55 AM
As I understand it, the dims spent exponentially more compared to the pubbies. Obscene amounts of money. Never let a dhimmi tell you that there isn't enough money for programs - they're rolling in it.

Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 10, 2011, 08:33:31 AM

The voting bodes well for the Conservative movement.

Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 08:42:24 AM
Ed Morrissey at HotAir: (http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/10/unions-go-0-for-2-in-wisconsin/)

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Translation: in a straight-up race, Republicans win in Wisconsin these days.  It doesn’t help these progressive activists that Walker and the GOP produced the best budget proposal in 15 years, and that the PEU reform has already begun to save Milwaukee $11 million this year and much more across the state.  It also doesn’t help Democrats to have President Obama “leading” us into a credit downgrade, massive deficits, and no apparent plan to pull us out of the economic stagnation his policies have produced.

Re: Spending on the race, he cites a WaPo article that claims the Republicans actually had a slight edge in money with Club For Growth and Americans For Prosperity matching union spending.

If the second recall election produces even one win for the Republicans then it's going to be kind of hard to call WI a blue state anymore. Purple for sure but one could even argue that it has turned red.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2011, 08:49:51 AM
I'd go with purple.  They are a lot like MN, the big cities dominated by leftards, the rural areas more conservative.  Madison & Milwaukee are big-time leftist bastions.  It will only change color if the suburban areas can be purged of morons.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 08:58:15 AM
And elections have consequences: Redistricting (which they pushed into place just before the recall election) may help with those Democrat strongholds.

But the real story coming out of last night is this: The death of the Tea Party has been greatly exaggerated. Quite the contrary, even after the verbal abuse the Tea Party took in the last two weeks (terrorists and hostage takers), they were still able to wring out a major victory in a traditionally blue state against (at best) mixed odds.

There won't be much said about this in the MFM but you can be assured that last night's results will be discussed in national Democrat circles with not a small amount of dismay, depression and doom. That's because the ultimate result in WI is that Walker's ruling coalition with the legislature will be able to continue their reforms. And those reforms have already shown significant signs of success. I read a statistic in one of the above linked articles that claimed that in June WI accounted for half of all jobs created in the nation. So, yeah, this is a very major defeat for the Democrats regardless of how it is spun in the MFM.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 09:08:45 AM
A sample of Democrat/union spin from an AP article: (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9P130C01&show_article=1)

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Democrats and union leaders tried to make the best of the historic GOP wins. There had been only 13 other successful recalls of state-level office holders nationwide since 1913.

"The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda," said Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate.

Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, said voters sent a message that there is a growing movement to reclaim the middle class.

"Let's be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory," he said.

Cool. Let the Democrats continue to have plenty more of these 2 for 6 "victories." Perhaps he didn't realize just how stupid that statement sounds.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 10, 2011, 09:09:13 AM
I'd go with purple.  They are a lot like MN, the big cities dominated by leftards, the rural areas more conservative.  Madison & Milwaukee are big-time leftist bastions.  It will only change color if the suburban areas can be purged of morons.

This is a problem nation wide, an urban and rural conservative voting group vs big city cesspool liberal breading ground and support system.  Cutting federal money out of this cycle will reconfigure city voting.

Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: charlesoakwood on August 10, 2011, 09:56:12 AM
                    

(http://www.bysio.com/i/msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg218/beauty_girl_33/loser.jpg)
                  Wisconsin Unions: I spent $14
                     million on a recall election, and
                        all I got was this t-shirt.



Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: John Florida on August 10, 2011, 10:36:01 AM
                   

(http://www.bysio.com/i/msp249.photobucket.com/albums/gg218/beauty_girl_33/loser.jpg)
                  Wisconsin Unions: I spent $14
                     million on a recall election, and
                        all I got was this t-shirt.






 It will be ineresting to see how many dems lose their seats.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2011, 10:52:08 AM
A sample of Democrat/union spin from an AP article: (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9P130C01&show_article=1)

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Democrats and union leaders tried to make the best of the historic GOP wins. There had been only 13 other successful recalls of state-level office holders nationwide since 1913.

"The fact of the matter remains that, fighting on Republican turf, we have begun the work of stopping the Scott Walker agenda," said Democratic Party Chairman Mike Tate.

Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin State AFL-CIO, said voters sent a message that there is a growing movement to reclaim the middle class.

"Let's be clear, anyway you slice it, this is an unprecedented victory," he said.

Cool. Let the Democrats continue to have plenty more of these 2 for 6 "victories." Perhaps he didn't realize just how stupid that statement sounds.

unprecedented victory!

 ::hysterical::

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Crap/candycoatedcrap.jpg)

That tastes good to you, eh Phil?

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Dumbass/DAzz.jpg)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2011, 10:54:05 AM
I'd go with purple.  They are a lot like MN, the big cities dominated by leftards, the rural areas more conservative.  Madison & Milwaukee are big-time leftist bastions.  It will only change color if the suburban areas can be purged of morons.

This is a problem nation wide, an urban and rural conservative voting group vs big city cesspool liberal breading ground and support system.  Cutting federal money out of this cycle will reconfigure city voting.



Yeah, it will either reconfigure voting or lead to the zombie apocalypse...either way, it works for me!

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/ace_ventura.gif)
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: michelleo on August 10, 2011, 12:00:19 PM
Epic fail.  #NotWinning

The democrats didn't even have the guts to run on the very issue they were trying to recall senators for, and that was to protect the excessive benefits of state union workers.

Union influence nation-wide just took a very big hit.  They act like thugs when they don't get their way, and now the Verizon union members are sabatoging their own cables.  Talk about sh*tting where you eat.  Stupid morons.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 11:02:45 PM
Epic Fail? Hardly.

The founder of the Daily Kos (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/10/1005250/-Wisconsin-wrap-up,-a-real-victory,-and-we-fight-on?via=blog_1) is totally convinced that WI was a TOTAL WIN for Democrats.

Seriously. He thinks that the Democrats really got the best of the Republicans in WI.

This is what delusion looks like:

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I've got to say, I expected to be torn up if we didn't get to three seats. I expected to suffer through yet another bout of electoral depression, bummed at coming up short yet again. And we did come up short!
Short of what? Short of taking the Wisconsin Senate? Sure. That would've been nice.

But let me just say, if tonight was a loss, I hope we have many more such "losses" in 2012.

I guess you can file that one under, "Be careful what you wish for."
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Pandora on August 10, 2011, 11:09:17 PM
Something about denial and a river .... can't quite put m'finger on it.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 11:39:20 PM
Hey, speaking of delusion...

Here is a mystery quote. See if you can guess who said this before you click on the link.

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These six races were in RED districts - districts which went to McCain and Walker.

We won back 1/3 of them. I'll take that any day of the week. It says that there is a high probability that Walker and the GOP are doomed when the next round of recalls happens, and certainly at the next general election.


LINK (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1005326/42815651#c22)

Delusional because the six races were not on RED districts, not all anyway.

The Alberta Darling district (which we retained) was won by O'Bama in 2008 by 52%. As noted above, of the two that the Democrats did win, "One of the seats was solidly Democratic, held by a Republican due to an apparent fluke of nature. The other was held by an alleged adulterer who had moved outside his district to live with his young mistress, and whose wife was supporting his recall."

Sucks being wrong, delusional and stupid. Can you guess who said this? Nostalgia for PLers.


Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Pandora on August 10, 2011, 11:47:52 PM
Ewwwwwwwwww!  You made me go there -- they got a hit on account of that --- and see it was him?!?!

Arrrrgh!

He's SNAFU.  As usual!  Mr. Ther-Is-No-Such-Thing-As-Race.  His daiddeh sed so.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 10, 2011, 11:51:01 PM
Ewwwwwwwwww!  You made me go there -- they got a hit on account of that --- and see it was him?!?!

Arrrrgh!

Hey, it's the internet, not a public restroom in San Francisco. I promise you'll be okay.

Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Pandora on August 11, 2011, 12:01:41 AM
Ewwwwwwwwww!  You made me go there -- they got a hit on account of that --- and see it was him?!?!

Arrrrgh!

Hey, it's the internet, not a public restroom in San Francisco. I promise you'll be okay.



Nevermind you!  Worse than an SF restroom; garbage dump!  Next time, a warning!

/eww.  ick.  ::brushing off::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Glock32 on August 11, 2011, 12:05:41 AM
I always like how the "there is no such thing as race" crowd seems oblivious to how those imaginary social constructs show remarkable correlation to disease prevalence, and those imaginary social constructs are among the criteria used to match donor and recipient in organ transplants. It's no different than saying there is no such thing as breeds among dogs and cats, i.e. totally asinine.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: John Florida on August 11, 2011, 12:11:07 AM
Hey, speaking of delusion...

Here is a mystery quote. See if you can guess who said this before you click on the link.

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These six races were in RED districts - districts which went to McCain and Walker.

We won back 1/3 of them. I'll take that any day of the week. It says that there is a high probability that Walker and the GOP are doomed when the next round of recalls happens, and certainly at the next general election.


LINK (http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1005326/42815651#c22)

Delusional because the six races were not on RED districts, not all anyway.

The Alberta Darling district (which we retained) was won by O'Bama in 2008 by 52%. As noted above, of the two that the Democrats did win, "One of the seats was solidly Democratic, held by a Republican due to an apparent fluke of nature. The other was held by an alleged adulterer who had moved outside his district to live with his young mistress, and whose wife was supporting his recall."

Sucks being wrong, delusional and stupid. Can you guess who said this? Nostalgia for PLers.





 Now that was just plain mean!!No warning or anything.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2011, 07:13:08 AM
That place does make one feel like getting de-loused, scrubbed, sanitized and showered!

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: ToddF on August 11, 2011, 07:42:27 AM
Fail.

When even fat chicks will have nothing more to do with you.

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: ToddF on August 11, 2011, 07:44:44 AM
Here's our favorite couple, from PL,  in happier times (http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=88980)

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2011, 07:49:52 AM
 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: LadyVirginia on August 11, 2011, 09:33:19 AM
My daughter spent some time in WI last week.  She stopped by the dems table at the state fair. She tried to engage them in conversation for 20 minutes and couldn't get any where with them.  Their mantra seemed to be that Walker is trying to break the unions and "he's just awful".  I heard this morning over a Milwaukee station I stream that the dems want the Walker recall election to be held at the same time as the presidential election.  That made me smile. They don't realize how stupid they are.

From what I understand Alberta Darling was the big target for the dems. She's on the finance committee. They're saying that race cost more than the race for governor and that it may have been the most spent ever in the country for a state office at that level.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: trapeze on August 11, 2011, 09:36:32 AM
I thought this was true but couldn't find the data last night. From IBD:

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Six seats were at stake Tuesday night, with the Democrats taking two. One was a reclaim of a solidly Democratic district. The other saw the defeat of a state senator who moved out of his district to be with his young mistress. The four seats the GOP held had all been carried by Barack Obama in 2008.

LINK (http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=581101&p=2)

There's this also from the article:

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Had the recall succeeded, the liberal media would've had a field day, touting the Tea Party's demise while giving the Democrats hope to hold the White House in 2012 and perhaps even retake the House of Representatives. But rather than the tsunami of 2010 receding, a second wave for 2012 seems to be building.

If true (and we all hope that it is 'cause...RINOs), then it could be a very bad year in 2012 for formerly (morbidly) obese leftists.

Let's hope so.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 11, 2011, 10:06:42 AM
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...rather than the tsunami of 2010 receding, a second wave for 2012 seems to be building.

There's also the "my congressional representatives deserve re-election" numbers and the overall congressional approval numbers both showing historical lows, the "government has the consent of the governed" numbers at 17% - being called in some circles "pre-revolutionary".

The GOP is held in contempt by the American people, and rightly so. If they benefit from the greater contempt for the Democrats, that's all well and good, but I would expect an incumbent bloodbath, on both sides.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2011, 11:26:57 AM
As long as we get rid of our deadwood in the primaries and their idiots in the general there really isn't much more to do beyond that...peacefully anyway...

ETA - Except maybe dirty-tricks, which at this point I am not averse to...
Title: Speculation swirling: Will RiNO WI Sen Dale Shultz switch parties?
Post by: IronDioPriest on August 11, 2011, 11:36:52 AM
The link at Kos makes a good point. With the balance of power as it is now - RiNO Shultz having opposed Walker at every turn - The conservative agenda that has been passed thus far would not have been possible. Shultz doesn't need to become a Democrat to thwart further conservative advances in WI.

Which means that the GOP MUST win one of the two Democrat recalls next week.

BREAKING!!! Will Wisconsin’s State Sen. Dale Schultz Become a Democrat & Shift the Balance of Power? (http://www.weirdloadreboot.com/blog/2011/08/10/breaking-will-wisconsins-state-sen-dale-schultz-become-a-democrat-shift-the-balance-of-power)

Kos - Wisconsin's new de facto Majority Leader: Dale Schultz (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/10/1005315/-Wisconsins-new-de-facto-Majority-Leader:-Dale-Schultz?via=blog_1)
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2011, 11:52:50 AM
Is this Schultz stuff for real or a KOS wet dream?  Is this "Mary" really a Repub or a plant?
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: John Florida on August 11, 2011, 12:07:21 PM
Is this Schultz stuff for real or a KOS wet dream?  Is this "Mary" really a Repub or a plant?


  In 2011, Schultz was the only Senate Republican to vote against the Wisconsin Budget Repair Bill which sparked the 2011 Wisconsin protests. Several House Republicans voted against the bill as well.

According to Schultz, he had intended to offer a compromise amendment to the bill, but Walker "decoyed" him, misleading him into leaving the Senate chamber.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Schultz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dale_Schultz)
we need to take one of those seats.
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2011, 01:22:48 PM
I guess!
Title: Re: Wisconsin??
Post by: Glock32 on August 11, 2011, 02:16:16 PM
He might have a harder time of opposing his own (nominal) party now, what with the striking (pardon the pun) evidence that Walker's agenda has already spawned significant financial improvement in state and local government.