It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Economy => Topic started by: charlesoakwood on April 04, 2011, 08:49:23 PM
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Roosevelt confiscated all gold in the early 1930's. The Progressives continue to work toward a more complete control perfect society. If they control a peoples access to goods, services and food they control the people. Bernard vonNotHaus has given them an opportunity to advance their goal. A court victory will make private barter illegal by allowing them to define "private barter currency". When the dollar is inflated to worthlessness and barter is illegal they shall have achieved control.
Utopia!
"The prosecutors successfully painted Mr. von NotHaus in a false light and now the U.S. Attorney responsible for the prosecution is painting the case in a false light, saying that it establishes that private voluntary barter currency is illegal," [attorney] Michel wrote.
They may say anything you use to trade for another good or service renders it a private currency. The motor scooter you trade for a snow blower is an illegal trade because the scooter becomes currency when you use it for trade.
This goof, vonNutHaus, by using some US coinage symbols asked to be prosecuted, they had no option. He has also opened the door to unintended consequences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHhqr8OeFc&feature=player_embedded#at=74 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvHhqr8OeFc&feature=player_embedded#at=74)
Ron Paul on Liberty Dollar Raid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhWRDP8v9ss#)
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/04/04/business-us-liberty-dollars-raid_8390437.html
http://avstop.com/march_2011/bernard_von_nothaus_convicted_of_minting_his_own_currency.htm
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Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.
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As long as there is cash then things can be exchanged off the books. When they move to eliminate cash, that is when you will know that the end is near.
Think of all of the tax free money that is currently earned...anyone who works for tips, for instance...having to suddenly go "on record." That will be an unhappy day.
Think also of the goldbug trend in the last several years. People are still buying gold because they fear (rightfully so) the weakening of the dollar...increased inflation and its inevitable lower dollar purchasing power.
Recently, Illinois moved to tax internet transactions that were vaguely connected to their state. Amazon responded by immediately terminating any and all Illinois based vendors. The vendors will have no recourse other than to live without Amazon business or move out of state. I expect that Illinois will be moving to push a nationwide internet tax so that they can have their revenue without having to suffer their victims wising up and moving to a different state.
Another point would be the stockpiling of guns and ammo for the purpose of being able to properly deal with anarchy.
These items and the above mentioned private currency are all threads in the same cloth that may or may not be woven together in the near future. Undoubtedly there are other threads not mentioned but the idea is the same: a growing and expanding soft tyranny.
This is why they so fear the Tea Party. Because it alone stands against this trend.
Anyway...a lot of rambling and random thoughts here but this really is what Toonces wants...the chaos and instability. Crashing the system. Cloward/Pivens and all that crap. I really, really don't like these guys.
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"They" can say whatever "they" want about making barter illegal, however, should "they" decide to press the issue, someone is likely to put "them" on the opposite end of a barter with elemental metals.
It's past time.
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It's past time.
Yes it is.
I've known it was coming from the moment Obama was elected. It's time to get on with it. The longer we wait the worse it will be.
But nobody wants to be first, and I can hardly blame them.
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It's past time.
Yes it is.
I've known it was coming from the moment Obama was elected. It's time to get on with it. The longer we wait the worse it will be.
But nobody wants to be first, and I can hardly blame them.
No, I don't blame anyone either. It can't be one here, one there; that's how we'll be picked off.
Maybe when the Tea Partiers realize that what they're doing is making an impression but not much of a change, there'll be an organizing toward a goal using different methods. I don't know. What I do know is if something can't continue, it won't. We better be ready for that.
/I had a really bad "they walk among us (the oblivions)" day.
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Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.
It's a fantasy of mine.
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"They" can say whatever "they" want about making barter illegal, however, should "they" decide to press the issue, someone is likely to put "them" on the opposite end of a barter with elemental metals.
It's past time.
Damn right. This talk of "they" declaring that "they" are not going to allow barter reminds me of some early American history. I invite "them" to read about the so-called Revenuers and the Whiskey Rebellion.
Do people not even listen to the words of the national anthem anymore? The final stanza is the most famous one:
O! say does that star-spangled banner yet wave,
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave
How much of the intrusion of government into our daily lives can be reconciled with any notion of this being "the land of the free"? In the land of the free, I can conduct trade with any other citizen as we see fit. There's an uppance that has been a long, long, long time coming.
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Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.
It's a fantasy of mine.
Me too.
But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.
A Revival of the Spirit of '76!
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
Even if it is probably more stable than US currency.
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.
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But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.
High-Speed Rails .... ;D
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.
Sounds right to me.
I would have had them stamped "Real Wampum"!
::hysterical::
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But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.
High-Speed Rails .... ;D
The faster they leave the better!
::thumbsup::
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Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.
I do it as often as possible !
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Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.
I do it as often as possible !
I think the way we're going it will only increase. They cannot get everyone, and at some point they won't even bother!
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Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.
I do it as often as possible !
I think the way we're going it will only increase. They cannot get everyone, and at some point they won't even bother!
I try to violate silly federal laws on a regular basis . In the past I have repeatedly and profligately violated The Mann Act and if The Volstead act was still on the books I violate IT too ! ::whoohoo::
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Ten Million Man March. Swarm DC. Physically remove the offenders.
It's a fantasy of mine.
Me too.
But mine includes tar, feathers and rails.
A Revival of the Spirit of '76!
But those courses-of-action leave 'em alive!
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
You mean if he called it a pound it would be OK?They wanted his ass and would use any reason they thought they could get away with.
If he just went up to a store clerk and offered to trade an oz of silver for whatever, he would have been ok. Creating a coing, labeling it "dollar," even if it does have real value in the form of silver content, is a no no.
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Bartering is a HUGE - HUGE - HUGE - underground economy.
I do it as often as possible !
Most proprietors do. Business owners develop a network of 'symbiotic' local businesses with whom they do business regularly and with whom there is mutual trust. Bartering is a regular thing among them - the norm, not the exception.
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If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
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He's in trouble for mimiking too closely, US money, not for bartering. Using the term "dollar" is a no no.
You just can't go creating your own monetary system.
Even if it is probably more stable than US currency.
Especially if it is probably more stable than US currency.
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If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
No one around here is interested in trading.
they'd rather run up their credit cards.
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Gunsmith recently traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
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There is probably not a book that teaches one to do this?
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits. Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits. Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.
It wouls have to be a lot of eggs for one wabbit.
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Somebody I know *ahem* keeps trying to talk us into waising wabbits. Bet I can trade for fresh eggs.
It wouls have to be a lot of eggs for one wabbit.
That'd be the plan. Some these week, some next week, like that. Barter on the installment plan. Heheh.
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If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
Maybe I would ... What's her name ?
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::rimshot::
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If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
Maybe I would ... What's her name ?
Not even close I was married by then. I had a Christian church close to my shop and used to work on the ministers car. He approached me on day with a problem. He had a churchmember that was a widow with 4 kids and didn't have sh*t for anything, The church was helping her all they could and she needed brakes on her car real bad. To the point where the car wasn't drivable and with young kids it was not a good thing.
So he asked what I could do for her for a price(this is after I got the long sad story)So I told him I would have the car towed in and take a look at it and then I would call him.
So I mobilized a couple of friends on had tow trucks and he didn't charge me a dime and the other was my brake part supplier who ended up donating all the parts(he's Jewish)
So we ended up doing front brakes including hoses and calipers and pads and rotors.And the rears ended up with new drums brake cylinders and shoes and hardware kits and we put on a new master cylinder.
I called the Minister and told him to come get the car at which point he asked how much. I told him to come get it and that I had not printed up the bill yet and I didn't know what the total was.But I would have it ready when he came in.
Well he showed up with the woman and I went through all the part list and the and explained what we had to do and why. Then I spun the bill around the total for everything read like this. The payment expected was to be pain in 4 equal payments in prayer for the souls of all the people involved in putting the car back together. So for the next four Sundays the church had to pray for all of us at each service.
The woman said that she would pray for us for the rest of her life and I told her that that would be over charging.I got big hugs and they both left in tears(me too).
My payment was the feeling this left me and my guys with.Nobody made money but what we got was worth more than all the gold on earth.
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That's the kind of kindness that sticks with people for the rest of their lives.
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If I told you what I traded for you wouldn't believe it.
Maybe I would ... What's her name ?
Not even close I was married by then. I had a Christian church close to my shop and used to work on the ministers car. He approached me on day with a problem. He had a churchmember that was a widow with 4 kids and didn't have sh*t for anything, The church was helping her all they could and she needed brakes on her car real bad. To the point where the car wasn't drivable and with young kids it was not a good thing.
So he asked what I could do for her for a price(this is after I got the long sad story)So I told him I would have the car towed in and take a look at it and then I would call him.
So I mobilized a couple of friends on had tow trucks and he didn't charge me a dime and the other was my brake part supplier who ended up donating all the parts(he's Jewish)
So we ended up doing front brakes including hoses and calipers and pads and rotors.And the rears ended up with new drums brake cylinders and shoes and hardware kits and we put on a new master cylinder.
I called the Minister and told him to come get the car at which point he asked how much. I told him to come get it and that I had not printed up the bill yet and I didn't know what the total was.But I would have it ready when he came in.
Well he showed up with the woman and I went through all the part list and the and explained what we had to do and why. Then I spun the bill around the total for everything read like this. The payment expected was to be pain in 4 equal payments in prayer for the souls of all the people involved in putting the car back together. So for the next four Sundays the church had to pray for all of us at each service.
The woman said that she would pray for us for the rest of her life and I told her that that would be over charging.I got big hugs and they both left in tears(me too).
My payment was the feeling this left me and my guys with.Nobody made money but what we got was worth more than all the gold on earth.
Like I said ... What's her name ?
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You're a good man JF... ::bows::
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That's a great story, John.
It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works. Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary. It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.
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That's a great story, John.
It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works. Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary. It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.
And nobodies permission. And to be honest it paid back in spades with the rest of the church members.(added bonus)
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That's a great story, John.
It's also an excellent illustration of why the free market works. Business owners who make a profit have a cushion that they can use to do work for free when necessary. It's completely voluntary and no coercion or confiscation is needed.
And nobodies permission. And to be honest it paid back in spades with the rest of the church members.(added bonus)
That too! You couldn't buy that kind of advertising for any amount of money. Win-win all around.
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Ahh, I knew you were a big softy JF! ;)
Good job big guy! ::thumbsup::
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Sorry, yes, I meant where I live.
I mean I even get that patronizing little smile when I say I cook from scratch and sew. My kids know that if someone asks where they got something (as kids often ask) they smile and say my mom got it for me. lol
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Sorry, yes, I meant where I live.
I mean I even get that patronizing little smile when I say I cook from scratch and sew. My kids know that if someone asks where they got something (as kids often ask) they smile and say my mom got it for me. lol
No, ma'am; that was on me; I was ribbing you a bit, that's all. ;D
Cook from scratch. Heheh, been a long time since I've heard "from scratch". My neighbor buys whole potatoes already wrapped in ... something .... cellophane, I think .... for baking. Because it's so much more trouble to wash the potato yerself, pierce it and then nuke/bake it. I shake my head, I swear.
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traded an old grinder for a mess of empty brass.
Nobody around here would know what that even means.
"Here", everybody knows. By you, not so much then. I getcha, though.
Sorry, yes, I meant where I live.
I mean I even get that patronizing little smile when I say I cook from scratch and sew. My kids know that if someone asks where they got something (as kids often ask) they smile and say my mom got it for me. lol
No, ma'am; that was on me; I was ribbing you a bit, that's all. ;D
Cook from scratch. Heheh, been a long time since I've heard "from scratch". My neighbor buys whole potatoes already wrapped in ... something .... cellophane, I think .... for baking. Because it's so much more trouble to wash the potato yerself, pierce it and then nuke/bake it. I shake my head, I swear.
You may need a fence it the Crap hits the fan.Lazy asses.
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Cook from scratch. Heheh, been a long time since I've heard "from scratch".
hahaha
I try to remember not to use that word around my friends, in fact. I do get weird looks on that one.
Since I was a kid the whole idea of being able to do things on my own has been the way I operated. Not sure where I get it. My mom grew up on a farm and hated it as did my grandmother. My mother won't even buy the orange juice in the can and mix it--says it's too much trouble. Buys the cartons. I juice my own! She needs a new dress she spends days at the mall. I go to my patterns and pick out something and make it. My father grew up in a middle class small town family and was a teacher. His dad was an inventor...hmmm.
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She needs a new dress she spends days at the mall. I go to my patterns and pick out something and make it. My father grew up in a middle class small town family and was a teacher. His dad was an inventor...hmmm.
Was his name Singer ? ;D
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She needs a new dress she spends days at the mall. I go to my patterns and pick out something and make it. My father grew up in a middle class small town family and was a teacher. His dad was an inventor...hmmm.
Was his name Singer ? ;D
hahaha
My grandfather held several patents--designed machines for manufacturing. A smart guy but from the hushed comments I think he had a troubled life and died young--in his early sixties, years before I was even born.
(You know when Singer first tried to sell his machines, housewives weren't interested. They were afraid of it. Not until manufacturers started using them did household use become popular.)