It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: trapeze on December 16, 2011, 07:49:31 AM
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LINK (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70534.html)
The shutdown-averting budget bill will block federal light bulb efficiency standards, giving a win to House Republicans fighting the so-called ban on incandescent light bulbs.
GOP and Democratic sources tell POLITICO the final omnibus bill includes a rider defunding the Energy Department's standards for traditional incandescent light bulbs to be 30 percent more energy efficient.
I'll still never have to buy another bulb.
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Yup, I'm pretty set too. I might run out in 20 years or so. Probably need to stock up on just a couple more cases.
ETA: If you've considered purchasing bulk bulbs from Amazon because of the links at AoSHQ or Instapundit, purchase them knowing this: The reviews from people claiming that the bulbs do not seem to have been quality control checked are TRUE. I purchased several cases of 24 Sylvania bulbs - 100, 60, & 40 watt. Sylvania is normally a reliable brand. I don't know if it's the way Amazon packages them for shipment (seems a bit unprotected to me), or if these are factory seconds, or if they are generic bulbs with the Sylvania name on them, or what. But I went through each case and inspected each bulb because of the reviews I read, and in each case of 24, there were one or two bulbs that had the filament disconnected from one of the pole wires. No fix for that, they're junk. So a case of 24 bulbs was really a case of 22 or 23.
As a consumer, I was left with the choice of going through the hassle and time of returning several cases of bulbs and making sure I got credit, or eating the loss, so I ate the loss. The end result is that my value per bulb probably ended up not being a net gain over just going to the store and buying them there.
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Wow, y'all bought more than me! I can last only 6-7 years! ;D
But...not that these asshats couldn't sneak the ban into another bill sometime in the dark of night...we know how these vile creatures operate...they are two-legged cockroaches...hard to kill and they sneak around everywhere!!!
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Wait a minute! Another horrific thought entered my head...what did the Repub's have to give up in order to have this?
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Wait a minute! Another horrific thought entered my head...what did the Repub's have to give up in order to have this?
Endless $1.6 trillion deficits. Now go back to staring at the shiny (incandescent!) lights.
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Wait a minute! Another horrific thought entered my head...what did the Repub's have to give up in order to have this?
Endless $1.6 trillion deficits. Now go back to staring at the shiny (incandescent!) lights.
::gaah::
::cussing::
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It aint signed yet!
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Grateful for small mercies.
How about an outright repeal, now, creating the opportunity for a new company to take up the manufacture without fear of losing its shirt in case the "standards" are reinstated. Or is that asking too much?
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Wait a minute! Another horrific thought entered my head...what did the Repub's have to give up in order to have this?
Endless $1.6 trillion deficits. Now go back to staring at the shiny (incandescent!) lights.
And you weren't kidding either; I just heard on the "news" that Congress is working on a ONE TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING BILL.
Un @#$ believable.
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Yes, no shutdown, the RINO's always wet themselves at the very thought of a shutdown...they'll throw their own mother under the bus and let 'em throw it reverse to hit her again before they let a shutdown happen...
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Grateful for small mercies.
How about an outright repeal, now, creating the opportunity for a new company to take up the manufacture without fear of losing its shirt in case the "standards" are reinstated. Or is that asking too much?
Remember the video about the last plant (GE)in US closing and the
last employees given the opportunity to go to the new out of country
GE plant? ETA: to train the new workforce
Yeah, we need a start up lightbulb company and they know where to
find a ready-to-go crew to man it.
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Grateful for small mercies.
How about an outright repeal, now, creating the opportunity for a new company to take up the manufacture without fear of losing its shirt in case the "standards" are reinstated. Or is that asking too much?
Remember the video about the last plant (GE)in US closing and the
last employees given the opportunity to go to the new out of country
GE plant? ETA: to train the new workforce
Yeah, we need a start up lightbulb company and they know where to
find a ready-to-go crew to man it.
Yep, I remember hearing it reported that the last plant closed, which is what prompted my post.
How mind-boggling is it that we don't even make light bulbs any longer.
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Boyoboy, Politico author Samuelsohn not tooooo biased, is he? Too bad he left out some basic facts because he was busily quoting those who are bemoaning our lack of commitment to energy conservation and environmentalism.
Some of those facts ...
Tucked into the giant 1,200-page omnibus spending bill passed by Congress Thursday night is a provision that prevents the government from spending any money to enforce the light bulb ban. This is effectively a reprieve for the 100 watt, but only temporarily, for the next fiscal year.
The bill does not overturn the light bulb ban, so it will still be law, and it’s likely that some more politically correct retailers will not stock them. And don’t expect any new incandescent light bulb factories to open; America’s last one closed a year ago. Unless congress blocks enforcement funding again a year from now, just try finding them in 2013.
So the battle to save the 100 watt bulb is not over.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2011/12/16/congress-kills-light-bulb-ban-sort-of/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2011/12/16/congress-kills-light-bulb-ban-sort-of/)
So, like I wrote, nothing is dead, just delayed until .....
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Oh faint of heart could it be we need a Grinch?
That we need a Grinch who can throw a wrench.
Throw a wrench into all these gears and jamb
them to a stop.
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It aint signed yet!
and it only pushed it off to next year if what I am reading at GWPundit is right........
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12/congress-reverses-light-bulb-ban-not/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/12/congress-reverses-light-bulb-ban-not/)
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Yes, there is no way any company will bring manufacturing online just on the basis of temporarily denied funding for the ban's enforcement. Full repeal is the only thing that will reverse this particular idiocy.
An iconic American invention, so deeply associated with technological progress that it has become a shorthand symbol for the very concept of bright new ideas, banned with the stroke of a pen.
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An iconic American invention, so deeply associated with technological progress that it has become a shorthand symbol for the very concept of bright new ideas, banned with the stroke of a pen.
George W. Bush's pen, no less.
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An iconic American invention, so deeply associated with technological progress that it has become a shorthand symbol for the very concept of bright new ideas, banned with the stroke of a pen.
George W. Bush's pen, no less.
Exactly. Schmuck. "Compassionate conservative" my ass. Same goes for Upton, the E-GOP who helped push it through.
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LINK (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1211/70534.html)
The shutdown-averting budget bill will block federal light bulb efficiency standards, giving a win to House Republicans fighting the so-called ban on incandescent light bulbs.
GOP and Democratic sources tell POLITICO the final omnibus bill includes a rider defunding the Energy Department's standards for traditional incandescent light bulbs to be 30 percent more energy efficient.
I'll still never have to buy another bulb.
If they can defund DOE's standards for traditional incandescent light bulbs
why can't they defund the EPA's standards for permitting, or drilling, or coal
mining? Is it because too many voters are busy watching Dancing With the Stars
to GAS, but that 100 watt bulb is necessary to read the sports page or light
up the kitchen?
What kind of 2x4 is needed to get these people's attention?
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What kind of 2x4 is needed to get these people's attention?
I'm thinking more along the lines of something in a tubular shape and made of metal...
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What kind of 2x4 is needed to get these people's attention?
I'm thinking more along the lines of something in a tubular shape and made of metal...
Forged steel?
Model T Ford axle?
The Kazoo river.
::danceban::
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Definitely forged!
::whoohoo::
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Not so fast, mateys:
New light bulb efficiency standards will begin phasing in on Jan. 1 despite intense opposition from conservatives, who have blasted the rules as a textbook unnecessary federal regulation.
While Republicans secured inclusion of a measure blocking funding for enforcement of the standards in a year-end spending bill, energy efficiency groups say the provision will have little practical impact. The Energy Department rules will nonetheless go into effect at the start of 2012.
"The [spending bill] cut funding for enforcement, however the law is still in effect," said Jack Gillis, spokesman for the Consumer Federation of America. "It is our expectation that companies will still comply with the law."
Steven Nadel, executive director of the American Council for an Energy-Efficient Economy, said companies have been preparing for the new light bulb efficiency standards since Congress passed the 2007 energy law requiring traditional incandescent light bulbs to be 30 percent more efficient starting in 2012.
“The major manufacturers have already made the investments to follow the law,” he said. “They’re law-abiding companies who aren’t going to break the law.”
The GOP-backed measure to cut funding for enforcing the light bulb standards “probably is not going to have much impact,” Nadel said.
More news from The Hill:
?Senate plans swift action on long-delayed transportation bill
?GOP candidates urged to accept climate change by scientists
?Greens say Obama has no choice but to kill Keystone pipeline
?White House casts Obama as warrior for the middle class
?Iran threatens to block key passageway for world's oil supply
While the measure prevents DOE from enforcing the standards through fiscal year 2012, Nadel said that states can still require companies to follow the efficiency rules.
Gillis, of the Consumer Federation of America, added that individual companies can pressure other companies to comply with the standards in order to keep a level playing field.
He said the light bulb standards got caught up in a growing wave of Republican disdain for federal regulations.
“The bottom line is the light bulb became a political victim,” Gillis said. “It was portrayed as an example of overzealous regulation, when in fact none of that is actually true.”
Inclusion of the measure blocking funding for the light bulb standards in the broader year-end spending bill was a political victory for Republicans, who have been targeting the regulations for months.
Republicans often describe the standards as a “light bulb ban,” arguing that the rules would greatly restrict consumer choice by pushing out traditional incandescent bulbs in favor of more expensive, but more efficient, LED (light emitting diode) and CFL (compact fluorescent light) bulbs.
Environmental and energy-efficiency groups note that the standards do not ban incandescent bulbs, but instead require them to be more efficient. While more efficient light bulbs are often more expensive at the point of sale, experts say they save consumers money on their electricity bills over the long term.
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/201687-despite-gop-opposition-light-bulb-standards-to-phase-in-on-jan-1?page=1#comments (http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/201687-despite-gop-opposition-light-bulb-standards-to-phase-in-on-jan-1?page=1#comments)
f**king fascisti!!
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Environmental and energy-efficiency groups note that the standards do not ban incandescent bulbs...
No, of course not. And university speech codes do not ban the 1st Amendment. Not explicitly.
Like PC speech, the light bulb ban is a "de facto" ban. Typical left wing subterfuge. Lies and deceit will serve as well as anything else to further their designs.
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“The major manufacturers have already made the investments to follow the law,” he said. “They’re law-abiding companies who aren’t going to break the law.”
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Gillis, of the Consumer Federation of America, added that individual companies can pressure other companies to comply with the standards in order to keep a level playing field.
::gaah:: ::gaah:: ::gaah::
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UPDATE:
75 watt incandescent light bulb RIP. As of today they may no longer be manufactured or imported. You may remember that the 100 watt incandescent bulb died last year. The 60 and 40 watt bulbs are scheduled to die soon. Land of the freedom and liberty.
(I might go out and buy up a few more cartons to top off my decades long supply)
Have fun trying to use CFLs with a dimmer switch.
Actually, there is a work around. "Rough service" bulbs are not covered by the ban and there is an enterprising person somewhere in the country who is making these bulbs. Of course, they cost two to three times as much as standard bulbs but at least the option is there.
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And even when those stocks run out I'll burn candles before I use their overpriced effing toxic commie bulbs!
::mooning::
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Masterminds do it again.
Money saving, compact fluorescent light bulbs emit high levels of ultra violet radiation, according to a new study. Research at Long Island’s Stony Brook found that the bulbs emit rays so strong that they can actually burn skin and skin cells.
“The results were that you could actually initiate cell death,” said Marcia Simon, a Professor of Dermatology.
Exposure to the bulbs could lead to premature aging and skin cancer, according to doctors.
“It can also cause skin cancer in the deadliest for, and that’s melanoma,” said Dr. Rebecca Tung.
LINK (http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/study-eco-friendly-light-bulbs-may-put-health-at-risk/)
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I hate government and the politicians that populate it. I really, really hate them. Bad.
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Lets tie them all down and turn these lights upon them until they repent...they probably won't so...let 'em cook...
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Pretty soon the AD Council along with whatever government agency will be running ads telling us to wear sunscreen 24/7. Of course, they won't say it's because of these bulbs.
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Actually, being on Solar, I switched to all LEDs.. Phillips makes some great ones now.. the light is really close to the color you are used to from the incandescent bulbs.. Of course they cost a good deal more, but unlike the CCFls, the technology is such that these might very well last for 20 years ( over the year and I haven't lost any. I even dropped one and busted its outershell and it still works, broken glass safely inside a overhead light fixture..) Look at your stereo equipment. How old is it? Lost any LEDs on it yet? These are higher power, but are essentially the same solid state technology.This may be the one time the greenies are right about something being better ( but I note they keep pushing the crappy, cheaper, poisonous CCFLs)
No, I am not defending anything these pols have done. The choice to switch should be yours, not theirs, but the technology is there now to allow a switch .. especially if you have any bulbs you can't reach or hate replacing and you can afford it. You don't run out and replace them all at once, because that WILL cost a small fortune, but as each one in your house goes, pick up a new LED to replace it - and take them with you if you move. Leave CCFLs for the new owner.
For a 50 Watt replacement use:
8A19/END/450LM/27/DIMM: p/n 409938; EnduraLED 8W 2700K A19 Dimmable
They look a little like eggs when off - the yellow LED filter can clearly be seen inside the white shell. When on they look just like an incandescent bulb. I paid $25 a piece - and they still seem to cost that much http://www.amazon.com/Philips-409938-8-Watt-Household-Dimmable/dp/B004VM8B4U/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317709&sr=1-2&keywords=EnduraLED+8W+2700K+A19+Dimmable (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-409938-8-Watt-Household-Dimmable/dp/B004VM8B4U/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317709&sr=1-2&keywords=EnduraLED+8W+2700K+A19+Dimmable)
for 60 Watts:
12A19/END/800LM/2700 120V: P/N 409946; 12W 120V 25000HR WARM WHITE CRI: 80 - Philips EnduraLED 800 Series A19 Dimmable LED Lamp - these are $15 bucks now at Amazon (I paid $25)
http://www.amazon.com/PHILIPS-A-Shape-Dimmable-incandescent-equivalent/dp/B004JQE2BO/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317595&sr=1-2&keywords=Philips+EnduraLED+800+Series+A19+Dimmable+LED+Lamp (http://www.amazon.com/PHILIPS-A-Shape-Dimmable-incandescent-equivalent/dp/B004JQE2BO/ref=sr_1_2?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357317595&sr=1-2&keywords=Philips+EnduraLED+800+Series+A19+Dimmable+LED+Lamp)
And it is BRIGHT.. I swear its brighter than a standard 60 Watt. I use them outside for my porch lights.. They are a bit funky looking with the yellow shell, so if the aesthetic bothers you, go with the 50s ( which are plenty bright-- they are in the 5 bulb fixture over my dining room table)
LOWES and Home Depot often have these cheaper than Amazon so keep your eyes out.
A standard 60 W incandescent bulb has a service life of about 1500 hours ((There are 8700 Hours in a year if a bulb is left on 24x7) , and costs about $4- Phillps rates their 60W replacement LED at 25,000 hours of service life, and for $15, you need it to only last 6000 hours to make up the cost difference. For $25, it needs to last for 10,000. So even if Phillips is wrong by more than 1/2 on the service life you are still coming out ahead, and that is without adding the energy cost savings gained by using 13 Watts instead of 60- and the fact you are up on a ladder replacing bulbs 16X LESS often. And SAVE the receipts - they offer a 6 year warranty on them too..
So yeah, if your monthly budget allows, consider buying these to replace the dead bulbs as they go.
I have NOT found a decent PAR 30 flood replacement for recessed cans- and they are even more expensive ($40-60) . The ones I have found are too directional - Bright enough, but only over a limited area- useless in the kitchen! - I want to try one of these,(http://www.amazon.com/Philips-420273-Ambient-13-Watt-Dimmable/dp/B007RKVT4M/ref=sr_1_24?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357318664&sr=1-24&keywords=Philips+Par+30+LED (http://www.amazon.com/Philips-420273-Ambient-13-Watt-Dimmable/dp/B007RKVT4M/ref=sr_1_24?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1357318664&sr=1-24&keywords=Philips+Par+30+LED)
) but $40 for a try is expensive.. hoping to see them cheaper..
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I was actually an early adopter of ccfl's. A case of them literally fell off a truck years ago and I found them in the gutter. I had no idea what they were other than an exotic light bulb. I didn't care for them for reading lights but in places where I wanted fill, where I ran lights 24/7, and where replacement was difficult I installed them. And enjoyed the fact that many of them were lasting 3-4-5 years before failure.
When the box started getting low I priced them and realized what a windfall that case of lamp had been! Recently, with the fascists calling for the death of Andy the Incandescent our local power company has been promoting the crap outta the ccfl's. They've had several introductory specials and freebie giveaways. Last summer they were offering a 1=1 trade for incandescents so I would go to the store and stock up on the cheapest bulbs I could find and then trade them for ccfl's at a 1=6 transfer ratio (I'd give them a 50 cent bulb and they would give me a $3 ccfl). When they caught on and cut me off I started finding straw purchasers who were kind enough to make the transaction for me.
So I have several cases of traditional incandescents - enough to last a decade or better, and three cases of various ccfl's - enough to last the rest of my life.
Ain't I a stinker?! ;D
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I was actually an early adopter of ccfl's. A case of them literally fell off a truck years ago and I found them in the gutter. I had no idea what they were other than an exotic light bulb. I didn't care for them for reading lights but in places where I wanted fill, where I ran lights 24/7, and where replacement was difficult I installed them. And enjoyed the fact that many of them were lasting 3-4-5 years before failure.
When the box started getting low I priced them and realized what a windfall that case of lamp had been! Recently, with the fascists calling for the death of Andy the Incandescent our local power company has been promoting the crap outta the ccfl's. They've had several introductory specials and freebie giveaways. Last summer they were offering a 1=1 trade for incandescents so I would go to the store and stock up on the cheapest bulbs I could find and then trade them for ccfl's at a 1=6 transfer ratio (I'd give them a 50 cent bulb and they would give me a $3 ccfl). When they caught on and cut me off I started finding straw purchasers who were kind enough to make the transaction for me.
So I have several cases of traditional incandescents - enough to last a decade or better, and three cases of various ccfl's - enough to last the rest of my life.
Ain't I a stinker?! ;D
Except for that fact they they give off a lot of UV that will eventually give you cancer as part of the govt soft kill operations, CCFLs are great !
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We ate dirt when we were kids - we used to dare each other to eat slugs and caterpillars. I used to drink from the damned garden hose! I'm not invincible but ain't no damned light bulb gonna kill me! (he says ducking)...
;D
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We ate dirt when we were kids - we used to dare each other to eat slugs and caterpillars. I used to drink from the damned garden hose! I'm not invincible but ain't no damned light bulb gonna kill me! (he says ducking)...
;D
Yeah, but now the govt takes care of you as a herd animal- they will decide when its time to go. Garden Hoses will deliberately contain a water soluble carcinogen. The Slugs and Caterpillers and dirt will have a carcinogen sprayed on them. And the lightbulbs will irradiate you ( and put mercury vapor into the air when they break! ) The lightbulbs don't do you in. The cancer does. The govt needs that for plausible deniability. CIA has probably been replacing the tubes in various offices for years just to give targets cancer. Its the ame reason the govt puts our soldiers in tanks made of depleted Uranium and have them fire shells made of the same stuff.
Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
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they will decide when its time to go.
You don't know how true those words are...
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Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
Love that!
I also like this one: Questioning the lies of the government does not make one a conspiracy theorist, but NOT questioning the lies of the government makes them a gullible fool.
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"Question Obedience" (http://www.two--four.net/weblog.php?id=P5229)
Thanks for the detailed information on wattage for the LEDs, Weisshaupt; much appreciated with the help in figuring that out.
And, yes, 'Soup; you are a stinker. ;D
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I put it in the folder.
Being cheaper than dirt:
For fill light turn $9.00 fluorescent shop fixture upside down inside wood frame, add shutters facing floor and hang with small chain or whatever about 6" from ceiling. Costs about nothing to operate, creates no heat, and lasts forever.
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Thanks for the detailed information on wattage for the LEDs, Weisshaupt; much appreciated with the help in figuring that out.
I second that.
I did pick up more name brand bulbs at the dollar store yesterday. I couldn't resist getting the 75 watts and 60 watts. I don't know if I ever need them but when my oldest saw them she said "currency,mom"
I've been considering LED but hadn't gotten as far as long in my reading so Weisshaupt's info helps.
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I've been considering LED but hadn't gotten as far as long in my reading so Weisshaupt's info helps.
Keep in mind I am recommending particular brands and models of LED .. they are not a commodity product- at least not yet. This is mostly because of light color. If you aren't picky about the color , a lot of off-brand LEDs will probably last as long, cost less, and provide more light for less wattage. The light tends to the Blue/Green and its a bit like being under a standard long bulb Fluorescent - the Phillips bulbs I am pushing , I am pushing because the yellow filter inside the bulb ( or on the casing) filters that light and has a warmer spectrum that is much closer to the one you are used to with incandescent. If you don't care about color, because its the garage, or whatever, then feel free to experiment with other bulbs. If you really want a bulb that you replace and never notice its not an incandescent when you turn it on, those two phillips are pretty much the best you will find.
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Just got back from Home Depot-- they are selling my recommended Siemens 50 and 60 watt bulbs for $15 each now - so if you are one of those who don't like to buy things in the interwebs, the brick and mortars are offering the same prices now.
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For LEDs? I got to stop by for some other stuff, might check out my local store.
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I want 100 watt LEDs that fit my existing lights. Not giant 60 watt LEDs that are a better fit for my deck, where I'd rather have something north of 100 watts anyway.
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I want 100 watt LEDs that fit my existing lights. Not giant 60 watt LEDs that are a better fit for my deck, where I'd rather have something north of 100 watts anyway.
The 60 Watt replacements are pretty bright - more than 60 Watts in my opinion. For $15 its an easy to justify experiment. Don't like it, it becomes the bulb in the attic or other seldom used location. I use the 50 watt replacements that look like normal bulbs in most locations and the fact that I never think about the lighting is all the indication I need that they are adequate. Again, at $15 its sort of a no brainer to try one.
They do make a Philips 100 Watt replacement (http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=203675471&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=203675471&ci_kw=%7bkeyword%7d&kwd=%7bkeyword%7d&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-203675471&ci_gpa=pla#.USZLnqWH39Z) but its still on the pricey side .. another year or two and these will be in the $15 range too.
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Now THAT's what I'm talking about.
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Home Depot had my Siemens LED bulbs for $13 yesterday. The Incandescent bulbs the previous owner bought were crap - I have lost over 12 in the last month. Everything is being replaced with these.
Guessing Game: Which sconce has the 13 watt LED and which is the 60 watt incandescent?
(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c341/weisshaupt/4537b9ac-d55d-49c3-8774-d70cf3507b07_zps9bd38bbc.jpg)
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60w further down the hall?
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Are they sold under the Siemens brand? I have not seen them at the Home Depot stores around here. I bought one LED bulb for experimentation, a 60 watt equivalent bulb from Samsung. It's very bright, and the color is like an incandescent. I use it in my reading light because it generates so very little heat compared to the incandescent. But it was $30. They'll have to get much cheaper before I get more.
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60w further down the hall?
Yep. What clued you in? (I know the photography isn't that great- I don't have independent f-stop control on my phone..)
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60w further down the hall?
Yep. What clued you in? (I know the photography isn't that great- I don't have independent f-stop control on my phone..)
I went on the theory that the old bulb would be duller in any side-by-side comparison.
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Are they sold under the Siemens brand? I have not seen them at the Home Depot stores around here. I bought one LED bulb for experimentation, a 60 watt equivalent bulb from Samsung. It's very bright, and the color is like an incandescent. I use it in my reading light because it generates so very little heat compared to the incandescent. But it was $30. They'll have to get much cheaper before I get more.
WHOOPS- Meant Philips. Not Siemens. -- These (http://www.homedepot.com/p/t/203406583?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=philips+led&storeId=10051&N=5yc1v&R=203406583#.UVXGhByG1CY)
My local Home Depot was selling them for $13 a piece. (the above link still has them over $20) They were $15 a few weeks ago. I suspect that folks round here don't buy em because they resent being told what light bulbs to use, and figure this is just another greenie-hippie crap ripoff like CCFLs are.
But even at $30, they will probably pay off just on durability. A bulb you only replace every 20 years is going to cost less than one you replace every 1-2 years.
Add in the energy savings of running 13 watts instead of 60 watts and even at $30 its likely to be at least a wash - providing they actually last the rated 20 years and don't crap out early ( my oldest are 4 years - different - cheap, off brand with a more green CCFL like color - and no failures yet..) The best part is you will very seldom have the experience of flipping a switch and still being in the dark.
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Are they sold under the Siemens brand? I have not seen them at the Home Depot stores around here. I bought one LED bulb for experimentation, a 60 watt equivalent bulb from Samsung. It's very bright, and the color is like an incandescent. I use it in my reading light because it generates so very little heat compared to the incandescent. But it was $30. They'll have to get much cheaper before I get more.
CostCo had some closer to Weisshaupts amount, cannot recall the brand, I have two different at my house I am using, I'll have to check on that when I get home. I know one was more expensive than the other...maybe that was the one from Home Depot, crap, CRS strikes again!
ETA - Aha! Thanks Weisshaupt, that is the ones I have from Home Depot, the other one (whatever it is!) was from CostCo.
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60w further down the hall?
Yep. What clued you in? (I know the photography isn't that great- I don't have independent f-stop control on my phone..)
I went on the theory that the old bulb would be duller in any side-by-side comparison.
Yeah, they are. Even against "new" bulbs. The 60 Watt replacement is brighter than any 60 watt I have ever used. But its NOT so noticeable in real life. The camera accentuated the difference. Its just warms my heart that I won't have to change that particular bulb again till my kids are done with college. Maybe longer.
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60w further down the hall?
Yep. What clued you in? (I know the photography isn't that great- I don't have independent f-stop control on my phone..)
I went on the theory that the old bulb would be duller in any side-by-side comparison.
Yeah, they are. Even against "new" bulbs. The 60 Watt replacement is brighter than any 60 watt I have ever used. But its NOT so noticeable in real life. The camera accentuated the difference. Its just warms my heart that I won't have to change that particular bulb again till my kids are done with college. Maybe longer.
::thumbsup::
Funds freed up for more pressing needs!
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My Samsung LED 60 watt replacement is spec'd at 900 lumens. I just looked at a pack of 60 watt incandescents that I put in the porch lights, and they're spec'd at 800 lumens. So at least in this case, the LED is putting out about 100 more lumens.
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The other one I have (haven't compared yet) is made by Feit Electric Co, all made in China of course. ::)
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The other one I have (haven't compared yet) is made by Feit Electric Co, all made in China of course. ::)
I had a bunch of FEIT incandescent bulbs I purchased at the recommendation of a contractor- bust ones I ever had - Lasted at least double the time others did. THE one LEDs I tried from them 2 years ago, however, was too blue/green. Yes they were bright enough and worked. I just want a warmer spectrum.
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The other one I have (haven't compared yet) is made by Feit Electric Co, all made in China of course. ::)
I had a bunch of FEIT incandescent bulbs I purchased at the recommendation of a contractor- bust ones I ever had - Lasted at least double the time others did. THE one LEDs I tried from them 2 years ago, however, was too blue/green. Yes they were bright enough and worked. I just want a warmer spectrum.
I'll have to test it, I can always stick it outside.
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I went by Home Depot on the way home from work tonight, and they now carry Cree brand LED bulbs, $12.97 for a 60 watt equivalent. I know Cree is one of the leaders in LED technology (they make the LEDs in the awesome Fenix flashlights mentioned elsewhere on the forum) so I picked one up. It has a glass outer body just like an incandescent bulb, with a rubber covering like a rough service bulb. Light output is good (800 lumens) and at this price LED is starting to become a feasible option. I certainly like them better than the CFLs.
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Interesting, will keep an eye out for those.
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I went by Home Depot on the way home from work tonight, and they now carry Cree brand LED bulbs, $12.97 for a 60 watt equivalent. I know Cree is one of the leaders in LED technology (they make the LEDs in the awesome Fenix flashlights mentioned elsewhere on the forum) so I picked one up. It has a glass outer body just like an incandescent bulb, with a rubber covering like a rough service bulb. Light output is good (800 lumens) and at this price LED is starting to become a feasible option. I certainly like them better than the CFLs.
Yeah, I saw those yesterday.. but stayed with my tried and true..please report back on how good the Cree's are. The Phillips have been dropping in price- and it may well be because there is finally a decent competitor for their wares. Capitalism strikes again.
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I went by Home Depot on the way home from work tonight, and they now carry Cree brand LED bulbs, $12.97 for a 60 watt equivalent. I know Cree is one of the leaders in LED technology (they make the LEDs in the awesome Fenix flashlights mentioned elsewhere on the forum) so I picked one up. It has a glass outer body just like an incandescent bulb, with a rubber covering like a rough service bulb. Light output is good (800 lumens) and at this price LED is starting to become a feasible option. I certainly like them better than the CFLs.
Yeah, I saw those yesterday.. but stayed with my tried and true..please report back on how good the Cree's are. The Phillips have been dropping in price- and it may well be because there is finally a decent competitor for their wares. Capitalism strikes again.
OH NOES!!! ::ohno::
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I went by Home Depot on the way home from work tonight, and they now carry Cree brand LED bulbs, $12.97 for a 60 watt equivalent. I know Cree is one of the leaders in LED technology (they make the LEDs in the awesome Fenix flashlights mentioned elsewhere on the forum) so I picked one up. It has a glass outer body just like an incandescent bulb, with a rubber covering like a rough service bulb. Light output is good (800 lumens) and at this price LED is starting to become a feasible option. I certainly like them better than the CFLs.
Yeah, I saw those yesterday.. but stayed with my tried and true..please report back on how good the Cree's are. The Phillips have been dropping in price- and it may well be because there is finally a decent competitor for their wares. Capitalism strikes again.
OH NOES!!! ::ohno::
Alert the crony capitalist protection team, ASAP!!!
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I went by Home Depot on the way home from work tonight, and they now carry Cree brand LED bulbs, $12.97 for a 60 watt equivalent. I know Cree is one of the leaders in LED technology (they make the LEDs in the awesome Fenix flashlights mentioned elsewhere on the forum) so I picked one up. It has a glass outer body just like an incandescent bulb, with a rubber covering like a rough service bulb. Light output is good (800 lumens) and at this price LED is starting to become a feasible option. I certainly like them better than the CFLs.
Yeah, I saw those yesterday.. but stayed with my tried and true..please report back on how good the Cree's are. The Phillips have been dropping in price- and it may well be because there is finally a decent competitor for their wares. Capitalism strikes again.
Picked up the Cree Brand 60 Watt equivalent at Home Depot today to give it a try.... and wouldn't you know it, the basement stair light went out just as I got home. I really like the rubber coating - and the color spectrum is very close to the what you would want ( Really this seems to be very similar to the 50 Watt Siemens equivalent, but brighter, and that rubber coating helps to hide the "yolk" of the yellow filter inside the glass.. )
The only downside is slightly higher power draw - 9.5 Watts instead of the Phillips 8 - but the more standard look and form factor make this my new favorite. From now on I will be buying the Cree's.. PLus I don't have to fight with the stupid Philips blister pack ...
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I think I like the Cree better too, going to pick some more up. The Philips aren't bad, and the blister packs are easily defeated by my serrated segment of my pocket knife, but I think I like the throw of the light better with the Cree's.
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I think I like the Cree better too, going to pick some more up. The Philips aren't bad, and the blister packs are easily defeated by my serrated segment of my pocket knife, but I think I like the throw of the light better with the Cree's.
I bought one months ago and put it in the light most used. Satisfied thus far with the natural light.
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Yeah I am liking the Cree too. I put mine in the entryway on a little foyer table in a timer controller lamp and have virtually forgotten that it's not a normal incandescent bulb. The light is about the same color and intensity, and the bulb looks just like an incandescent. I need to pick up a few more. I think they will be a very good choice for lighting when I have to run off of generator power, pulling only 9-10 watts.
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Yeah I am liking the Cree too. I put mine in the entryway on a little foyer table in a timer controller lamp and have virtually forgotten that it's not a normal incandescent bulb. The light is about the same color and intensity, and the bulb looks just like an incandescent. I need to pick up a few more. I think they will be a very good choice for lighting when I have to run off of generator power, pulling only 9-10 watts.
for the $12 they are running, I think they are a good deal pretty much anytime you loose an incandescent. Its time to buy them now before they are widely accepted and planned obsolescence takes over.. just like it did with incandescent ( which could be engineered to last many more years than they do) . Even if you only get half what they say, its still less than $2 a year of lighting - not to mention the energy savings on top.
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Just tried the Feit Electric "performance LED" 3000K color temperature bulb - My local Ace Hardware had them on sale for $10. Uses 9.8 Watts.
As good as the Cree - but with better light dispersion-- the whole bulb lights up.. and there are no hot spots..
This is my new favorite.. too bad my Ace only had a couple left..
http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=28686516 (http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=28686516)
Sale ends Jan 31st.. but $10 is a good price for what you are getting here. Feit was my brand for incandescent bulbs back when- they lasted longer..
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Are these lights still all made in China?
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Yeah, the Feit's are made in China, I know that, I think the Philips might be as well. Will have to look at the Cree's to know for sure.
Most things are made over there now...
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AFIK, all the new bulbs are made in China. I avoid - at all costs - buying anything from China.
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AFIK, all the new bulbs are made in China. I avoid - at all costs - buying anything from China.
Yeah, don't worry, you will get your wish. Once the dollar goes you will be unable to afford any products from China, or anywhere else for that matter. I believe China is going to be the new dominant Super Power for decades to come. They will take over most of the Pacific - either militarily or economically. These Islands in Japan are a test. Soon they will just invade, and the US will do nothing- because china has us by our Treasury Bonds, and they can sink this ship overnight.
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Anybody tried this guys incandescent bulbs?
http://www.newcandescent.com/ (http://www.newcandescent.com/)
Evidently heavy duty bulbs are exempt from the ban. Thank goodness for loopholes.....................
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/24/a-manufacturer-found-a-loophole-around-that-incandescent-light-bulb-ban/ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/24/a-manufacturer-found-a-loophole-around-that-incandescent-light-bulb-ban/)
I am thinking of ordering from there. He is claiming longer service life then a typical incandescent. Maybe that due to being made better? Plus they are made here in the USA.
I cannot use CFL's as they give me headaches due to the flickering and the buzzing noise they make. Even if they didn't do that, I still think the light is awful, turns everything green and makes reading nearly impossible. I think the marketplace would have rejected them completely, so its probably why they had to ban the good bulbs.......
Most halogens bulbs are still on the market too, even though they are technically incandescent. Halogens have probably the best and most natural light (sun like) you can get from a light bulb. The main problem with them is the heat that gets cast off, though on a freezing cold day like today I don't mind it.
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Yeah, the Feit's are made in China, I know that, I think the Philips might be as well. Will have to look at the Cree's to know for sure.
Most things are made over there now...
The Crees are made in the USA (in NC to be exact).
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The Crees are made in the USA (in NC to be exact).
Thanks! Now then - to find some place that sells them.
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The Crees are made in the USA (in NC to be exact).
Thanks! Now then - to find some place that sells them.
Home Depot should have them. Usually sell 40's and 60's, at least that is mostly what I see available.
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Home Depot should have them. Usually sell 40's and 60's, at least that is mostly what I see available.
The 40 and 60 Watt replacements are reasonably priced-- there are 75 and 100 Watt replacements, but they are not worth the $35-50 to buy them. I have seen them both at Home Depot and at Lowes on occasion.
The Crees are a great bulb - (watch the color temperature though! They have a "cool" version that is too blue for me) I have replaced nearly half the lights in the house with them and I am very pleased with them. The Feit is better from appearance ( no hot spot and good light dispersion) and, at least on sale, its cheaper. The Crees are usually $12-13 around here.
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Home Depot should have them. Usually sell 40's and 60's, at least that is mostly what I see available.
The 40 and 60 Watt replacements are reasonably priced-- there are 75 and 100 Watt replacements, but they are not worth the $35-50 to buy them. I have seen them both at Home Depot and at Lowes on occasion.
The Crees are a great bulb - (watch the color temperature though! They have a "cool" version that is too blue for me) I have replaced nearly half the lights in the house with them and I am very pleased with them. The Feit is better from appearance ( no hot spot and good light dispersion) and, at least on sale, its cheaper. The Crees are usually $12-13 around here.
Fully agree on all points!
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I still don't understand the new ratings. What light output is a Cree 60W equivalent to for a standard incandescent bulb? Is there a chart somewhere?
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I still don't understand the new ratings. What light output is a Cree 60W equivalent to for a standard incandescent bulb? Is there a chart somewhere?
In my experience what is typically billed as a "60 Watt Replacement" is in fact brighter than what I would expect from a 60 Watt incandescent. But my eyes are not scientific instruments. I would suggest plopping down the $12 for a Cree and trying it. (again you need the "warm" kind--unless you like the color of florescents with a bit more blue thrown in.) If you don't like it you can stick it in that one fixture you hate changing because it will last forever, or if you REALLY hate it, stick it in a closet, or in the basement, or in the garage... somewhere that you seldom use it .
All of the "60 Watt Replacement" bulbs I have seen are rated for 800 Lumens.
(http://asset1.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim/2013/03/26/lumens_2.png)
http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57575907-285/five-things-to-consider-before-buying-led-bulbs/ (http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57575907-285/five-things-to-consider-before-buying-led-bulbs/)
The article points out some things I should have stressed. There are Non-Dimabble LED bulbs - as in "they don't work with a standard Dimmer switch" - none of the bulbs I advocate buying here will ever be of that type. That is not a "replacement" in my opinion.
Also another difference between the Feit and the Cree is the Feit is just glass, and the Cree has that Rubbery Coating on the outside, which may make it slightly tougher to break..
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Here's a chart. It seems you don't look for the WATTAGES, but for the LUMENS.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v645/lowfreeboard/FTC-lumens-chart.png)
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On that CNET link there was juicy bits if info regarding the operation of these little gems including heats sinks and dos and don'ts regarding placement. Don't install them in enclosures otherwise they can't rid themselves of the heat they generate and die a slow death much faster than advertised. Nice info regarding light color and their respective heat ranges.
Do read through some of the first comments.
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On that CNET link there was juicy bits if info regarding the operation of these little gems including heats sinks and dos and don'ts regarding placement. Don't install them in enclosures otherwise they can't rid themselves of the heat they generate and die a slow death much faster than advertised. Nice info regarding light color and their respective heat ranges.
Do read through some of the first comments.
Well, its more pay attention to them if you install them in an enclosure. I have a bunch of the Phillips bulbs installed in the standard "globe" fixtures at the Teotwawki place - been there for years now. Not a single failure yet. Ultimate life is yet to be seen, but 3 years and counting on those - nor have I seen any noticeable lack of brightness. . Nor have I seen any failures here with the CREEs - and they can get warm-- never had them be "hot" - certainly not as hot as a 60 Watt gets.
Will they last 20 Years? Perhaps not. And at $25 its probably a bigger risk to take. Not so much at $12.
One of the articles pointed out these are rated in hours, not years, and if you run them 24/7 , 25,000 hours is about 2.8 years. Of course, if your electricity bill is $0.08 a Kilowatt/hr - your incandescent costs $120 to run over that period of time. Your 10 Watt LED will cost you $20. -- not to mention your incandescent would probably be replaced at least once over nearly 3 years. But say you have a really good incandescent that lasts forever. And you buy the LED at $12 SO say it runs half as long and you have to replace it halfway through-- two bulbs were $24. You still saved $76 over the period. ? If they last a third of the rated capacity at 8000 hours you have
And energy costs are only going up-- in some places they are already over $0.12 KW-HR. - .08 is actually on the low side. So yes, if you can find a brand you like for $10 - even if it only lasts 8000 Hrs and you replace it 3 times. , you still saved $28 bucks. Really it has to only last 1/4 of the time advertised for you to be at the break even point. The same is true of CCFLs as well ( but I hatez them) and those fail as often as Incandescent bulbs in my experience.
But who leaves a light on 24/7? Almost no one. So this means that you won't be looking at replacing that bulb again for probably 7 years..even in the worst case.
The prime mover is sometimes the energy you pay to use the thing, not the thing itself...
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But who leaves a light on 24/7? Almost no one.
My husband. Basement.
::whatgives::
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But who leaves a light on 24/7? Almost no one.
My husband. Basement.
::whatgives::
I do. A 15-watt ice cream cone one in the kitchen.