It's About Liberty: A Conservative Forum
Topics => Politics/Legislation/Elections => Topic started by: AlanS on November 21, 2014, 02:10:30 PM
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-confront-own-worst-enemy-on-immigration/2014/11/20/9b885c06-70d2-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-confront-own-worst-enemy-on-immigration/2014/11/20/9b885c06-70d2-11e4-ad12-3734c461eab6_story.html)
Just two weeks ago, Republicans handed President Obama a humiliating defeat at the polls, winning full control of Congress. But already, party leaders fear that the conservative uproar over the president’s immigration actions will doom any hopes for a stable period of GOP governance.
The moves announced Thursday night by Obama — which will protect millions of illegal immigrants from deportation — have sparked an immediate and widening rebellion among tea party lawmakers that top Republicans are struggling to contain.
Despite expanded powers and some new titles, soon-to-be Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) remain sharply limited in their ability to persuade their most conservative members. The duo has been thrust back into the same cycle of intraparty warfare that has largely defined the GOP during the Obama years and that has hurt the party’s brand among the broader electorate.
“It is the first real challenge for Boehner and McConnell together,” said Rep. Peter T. King (R-N.Y.), a Boehner ally. “They’d like to wipe the slate clean for when they start up next year, with this situation behind us.”
In his prime-time speech from the East Room of the White House, Obama blamed Republicans for forcing his hand by refusing to approve immigration reform and told them, “Pass a bill.” He also cast the issue in moral terms, quoting Scripture to bolster his case.
During his speech on immigration reform, President Obama called on illegal immigrants to "come out of the shadows" and "get right with the law." (AP)
But comprehensive immigration reform is unlikely to pass a Republican-held Congress, because of partisan hostilities in Washington. Still, GOP leaders badly want to show the country that the party can govern constructively, even if it is not clear whether they can keep their raucous conference united.
McConnell and Boehner, for example, want to approve a long-term spending bill at least through the early part of next year — part of an effort to limit theatrical confrontations with Obama and focus on tax reform and other Republican-friendly issues.
But conservatives inside and outside Congress want to use the budget process as a battleground to wage war against Obama and his immigration program. The proposed gambit raises the specter of another government shutdown, akin to the one that damaged Republicans last year.
The debate is also a test of whether the party can contain the controversial and sometimes offensive comments that have often hindered attempts to bolster support for Republicans among Hispanics. After tea party firebrand Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) said on Wednesday that protected immigrants would become “illiterate” voters, Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) winced.
“Unfortunate, unfair, unnecessary, unwise,” said Graham, who is close to party leaders.
Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a moderate from the Philadelphia exurbs, said the leadership is asking his colleagues to “not play into the president’s hands.”
“The president wants to see an angry and intemperate response, thinking the Republicans will do something that leads to a shutdown,” Dent said. “Don’t take the bait, and don’t have a hysterical reaction. We can be strong, rational and measured.”
President Obama will take executive action Thursday to offer temporary legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants. View Graphic
Republican leaders are considering several moves they say would be forceful responses to the president while also keeping the government funded. Ideas being floated include filing a lawsuit over Obama’s executive authority, pursuing stand-alone legislation on immigration policy and removing funding for immigration agencies.
Another option — funding the government until the end of the fiscal year and then rescinding parts of immigration-related funding — is favored by the leadership and championed by House Appropriations Committee Chairman Harold Rogers (R-Ky.). His office has issued a memo urging members to avoid using government funding as the means of dissent and warning that some immigration agencies would not be affected since they operate on user fees.
“We are considering a variety of options,” McConnell said Thursday in a floor speech. He suggested that his preference would be for Republicans to avoid becoming mired in a fiscal clash during the lame-duck session, shortly before the GOP takes control of the Senate in January.
Many conservative lawmakers, however, are shrugging off pleas from leadership. Furious with the president, they are planning a series of immediate and hard-line actions that could have sweeping consequences. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said Wednesday that Obama’s executive action should be met with a refusal to vote on any more of his nominees, and on Thursday, he compared the action with the ancient Catiline conspiracy, a plot to overthrow the Roman Republic.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), likely the next chairman of the budget committee, has advocated for a series of stopgap spending bills with the intent of pressuring the president to relent. Sessions is the featured speaker at a Heritage Foundation event Friday morning in response to Obama’s moves, a couple of hours after a scheduled Boehner news conference.
And Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) — one of the loudest voices on the right — has hinted at bringing up impeachment measures. “We have constitutional authority to do a string of things. [Impeachment] would be the very last option, but I would not rule it out,” King said Thursday on CNN.
Amid the chatter over strategy, it is the tone of outraged rank-and-file members that most worries GOP elders. Ahead of the 2016 presidential election, they do not want to see Republicans tagged by Democrats as hostile toward Latinos and other minorities.
“It only takes a couple” of comments for an unflattering narrative to build about the Republican response, said Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). “That’s the trouble with having some of these new, young punks around here. They ought to listen to us old geezers.”
In the House, Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), who has been a prominent backer of comprehensive immigration reform, has been counseling House Republicans about the need to show empathy for undocumented workers as the party rails against the Obama administration, according to GOP aides familiar with his deliberations.
Yet the firestorms have continued to flare, with some Republicans, encouraged by grass-roots activists and conservative media personalities, eschewing the party’s more incremental line and making contentious statements.
Speaking with reporters, Bachmann had said the “social cost” of Obama’s immigration policies would be extensive, with “millions of unskilled, illiterate, foreign nationals coming into the United States who can’t speak the English language.”
When pressed on why she used the term “illiterate,” Bachmann said, “I’m not using a pejorative term against people who are non-American citizens. I’m only repeating what I heard from Hispanic Americans down at the border.”
On Friday, Bachmann and Steve King plan to travel to the U.S.-Mexico border to meet with officials to showcase their opposition to the president and cast themselves as leading Republican voices.
Other Republicans have called for a proactive legislative response beginning early next year, rallying behind a strategy that would take away government funding as the main battleground and turning toward specific policy areas.
Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a potential presidential candidate, said Republicans must signal that in spite of their disagreements with the president, they are committed to reform. “This country needs to deal with immigration,” he said in an interview.
I find it pitiful that there aren't a handful of real men in the whole phucking building. Just a bunch of metrosexuals.
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So, the word illiterate is pejorative and racist now? Most of these f**king aliens aren't even functional -- literate -- in the languages of their home countries, nevermind in English, and we don't need the "hispanics" at the border to tell us that as any teacher of ESL can attest to it.
As for McCain and his young punks/old geezers bullspit, he needs to, finally, STFD and STFU.
Lastly, I neither have nor want my Representative(s) to have EMPATHY for those who have broken into my country and stolen any form of identification while they undermine its sovereignty.
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Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), a potential presidential candidate, said Republicans must signal that in spite of their disagreements with the president, they are committed to reform. “This country needs to deal with immigration,” he said in an interview.
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Yes. We need to deal with immigration. The "REFORM" should involve say - enforcing the laws we already have?
Or better yet, how about simply shooting undocumented aliens when they are found?
I guarantee that will take care of our "undocumented" immigrant problem in a hurry.
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I don't know why I'm pissed off. The whole platform this year was "We're not Obama!" They didn't actually promise to do anything.
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This is who these cowards are, they worry about a narrative that is a pipe-dream the way they envision it and don't give a flying fornication for the Constitution. They all deserve the Hell coming their way.
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(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/RINOs/20141121MichaelRamirez-450x326_zps42ebbc69.gif)
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Yeah, the cartoon I posted is funny, but to damn true!
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/jeh-johnson-funding-request-113259.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/jeh-johnson-funding-request-113259.html)
"Republicans are looking for ways to punish the White House for President Barack Obama’s unilateral action to protect up to 5 million undocumented immigrants from deportation but avoid a government shutdown."
OK, now this statement is equal parts wishful prodding by the MFM, what passes for Rovian logic and sadly what passes for E-GOP concerns.
But this DHS prick, and every progressive/statist Obame Regime douchebag, the MFM, cronies etc...all seem to be under the mistaken impression that all of the dire consequences of not funding government are the fault of just one side, period. We know this to be true because when the DemoProgs control Congress and an opposition leader is in the White House such threats are never put back on the Congress but on the President, so...but the E-GOP always get tripped up by this because they want to be seen in a better light than the Dem's but they are like Charlie Brown in that it doesn't matter how many times the Dem's and the MFM pull the football away in mid-kick, the stupid sonsofbitches fall for it time and time again...
If the government has no money and shuts down, why should the blame not go anywhere but against the Regime that is flaunting the Constitution, that is flaunting laws by not enforcing them, that is blowing money in a manner not proscribed by Congress as established in the Constitution, that is defiantly issuing Imperial Edicts without any remorse and full malice of forethought?!
Shut the fothermucker down!!! Walk away and tell them what has to happen to reopen, or all the sh*t is on them!!!
But the goddamned pansies will not ever do it. This President could sodomize an underage boy on live TV in the middle of the White House lawn at high noon and brag about it afterward and still these E-GOP cowards would not do what is necessary!
That there tells you all you need to know about where we are, what needs to happen...what will happen one way or another.
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When you announce to your opponent that there are certain things you will never do under any circumstances, is it really any surprise when the opponent uses that to his advantage every single time?
It could be telling North Vietnam you aren't going to bomb Hanoi, it could be telling jihadis you will never bomb a mosque, or in this case telling the Democrats you will never shut down the precious government.
So I guess that just means the Democrats get to do whatever they want, regardless of election results, so long as they make shutting down the government the only avenue for stopping them.
In another somewhat related point, Rush opened his show yesterday talking about the frustration at how truth and facts no longer matter. That's particularly frustrating for our side, because we are wired to believe in objective truth and its ability to overpower lies. A perfect example is global warming. They continue to bleat on about global warming without missing a beat, and pointing out that global temperatures are actually in a cooling trend over the past 18 years does absolutely nothing to stop them. You ask yourself how much longer can such a state of affairs possibly go on. It's enough to drive one insane.
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Satans hand is in the mix.
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When you announce to your opponent that there are certain things you will never do under any circumstances, is it really any surprise when the opponent uses that to his advantage every single time?
It could be telling North Vietnam you aren't going to bomb Hanoi, it could be telling jihadis you will never bomb a mosque, or in this case telling the Democrats you will never shut down the precious government.
So I guess that just means the Democrats get to do whatever they want, regardless of election results, so long as they make shutting down the government the only avenue for stopping them.
In another somewhat related point, Rush opened his show yesterday talking about the frustration at how truth and facts no longer matter. That's particularly frustrating for our side, because we are wired to believe in objective truth and its ability to overpower lies. A perfect example is global warming. They continue to bleat on about global warming without missing a beat, and pointing out that global temperatures are actually in a cooling trend over the past 18 years does absolutely nothing to stop them. You ask yourself how much longer can such a state of affairs possibly go on. It's enough to drive one insane.
Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner. They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!
Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.
To Hell with this.
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Satans hand is in the mix.
Yeah, no doubt. Wish I could hack it off and beat some sense into them with the bloody stump!
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Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner. They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!
Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.
To Hell with this.
Yep, and this is why I am just about equally sick of people on our side castigating those of us who aren't GOP cheerleaders. Agreeing to remain GOP loyalists because "they're the lesser evil" is really no different than them taking impeachment and government shutdowns off the table. If you cannot effect change through the avenues currently available, you have to blaze new trails. Maybe if everyone had said to hell with this whole "lesser evil" dichotomy 20 years ago, that hypothetical new party would be a real contender by now.
Oh well. There's no political solution at this point anyway. That might also have been different had we not shackled ourselves to the lesser evil dichotomy for all these years.
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Yeah, and when we tell the E-GOP we are not putting up with their crap anymore, they fail to respond in like manner. They cave to everyone except those they should have alliegence to!
Once again. Pubbies win an election, and propmptly surrender.
To Hell with this.
Yep, and this is why I am just about equally sick of people on our side castigating those of us who aren't GOP cheerleaders. Agreeing to remain GOP loyalists because "they're the lesser evil" is really no different than them taking impeachment and government shutdowns off the table. If you cannot effect change through the avenues currently available, you have to blaze new trails. Maybe if everyone had said to hell with this whole "lesser evil" dichotomy 20 years ago, that hypothetical new party would be a real contender by now.
Oh well. There's no political solution at this point anyway. That might also have been different had we not shackled ourselves to the lesser evil dichotomy for all these years.
Newt's New Turks were the last leaders who didn't have their manhood shrivel and hide, they at least impeached that crook Clinton, and in the face of almost certain Senate capitulation and 24/7/365 Democrat/Media Complex hate broadcasting. These current assholes have a POTUS 1,000 times more corrupt and they could not locate their manhood with an electron microscope!
And 22 years ago there was an attempt, maybe not the right man for many people, but I could not vote for a lying backstabbing G H W Bush again and no way in Hell was I going to vote for Slick Willie...so I threw in with Perot. Maybe Perot wasn't the best option at this time, but neither was he the worst. Looking back on it there is no way Perot would have been as big a tool as Clinton and no way would he be a E-GOP rubberstamp traitor like Bush, Bush betrayed the Reagan Revolution, pissed all over conservatives and brought the GOP back under Ruling Class control. Pundits at the time blamed people like me for Clinton being elected and for a long time I wondered if that was true, but then I remember the betrayal and the lack of any focus on that aspect, and I at least know getting f**ked over wasn't my doing (or that of any of the 19% that voted like me)...and apart from the brief Contract with American moment in '94 and the brief Tea Party rise of late the GOP has stayed largely E-GOP.
The lesser-than fools can KMA!
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People really need to stop being insane!
ETA - Well, assume to position, take like you like it, the lesser-than's are testing your integrity...both rectal and mental...
Sessions: House about to break campaign promise on immigration (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/393815/sessions-house-gop-verge-breaking-2014-campaign-promises-joel-gehrke#!).
Umm, newsflash Jeff, the GOP pretended to fight for no more than five minutes! (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-war-immigration-fizzles)
The non-Ruling Class folk in the GOP are plotting to muck up this capitulation (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/conservatives-scoff-at-boehner-deal-113280.html), but in the end there are just too many Ruling Class assholes, traitors of America and it's Founding really, so if they called for the people to arm and march I would get 100% behind that, but I doubt that will happen....there is no leadership, not even among people we like...
This is the end folks, this is what the loss of liberty looks like...
Prepare for the inescapable end game...the only game left to play and this one will be for keeps...shirkers will be obliterated...
Est electio Dei
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We need a new party...... The two party system is terminally ill because both parties have the same ideals, one takes you by jet and the other by bus, but have no doubt they take you to the same destination.
Always wanted the Tea Party to be more about conservative values and influence our republican leaders. Not going to happen. I don't like the answer to correct this ship.....
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Well, Saturday is the day. Do I vote for Mary (Louisiana Purchase) Landrieu or do I vote for the RINO David Cassidy?
Vote for the slow road to hell or the interstate to hell? I would abstain from voting, but I have way too much respect for the generations that sacrificed so much to give us that right.
I'm going to need mass quantities of alcohol.
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There's been a great deal of talk lately about Øbozo's proposed EO and the appropriate pubbie response. The prevailing opinion (at least from what I've heard and read) is that the pubbies don't have the stones to block Øbozo's unconstitutional overreach.
The secondary opinion is what will be the rank and file reaction in that event. The brinksmanship is sorta interesting......from an increasingly distant and non-participatory point of view. I count myself among those who say that they will turn their backs on the whole shebang. I'm already so detached that I can't really work up too much indignation over it.
I hope my going Galt goes better than the movie. ;)
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Oh yea....
AlanS - Vote for the RINO. Deny Ms Piggie her parade lap. You're gonna get stung either way so the least you can do is give a little back on your way out ;')
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Oh yea....
AlanS - Vote for the RINO. Deny Ms Piggie her parade lap. You're gonna get stung either way so the least you can do is give a little back on your way out ;')
Hear! Hear!
Yeah, it's the same old shyte of voting against rather than for, but in this case you get schadenfreude too.
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I really wonder if Ted Cruz truly understands just who the Hell he is talking about when he says to the E-GOP leadership "Do what you said you would do"? (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/ted-cruz-pushes-the-house-to-have-all-out-spending-fight-on-obama-immigration-action-20141203) I mean Ted is a bright guy, surely he knows Boehner & Co are the biggest bunch of ankle-grabbing wusses on the planet this side of France, right? He gives the Charlie Brown & Lucy with the football argument, but like the Einstein quote above, doing the same thing over and over again (like say asking these sugar-tits to man-up?) and expecting a different result is the definition of insanity. And it does not matter one damn bit if [people are against Obama's EO actions and have sizable numbers saying they are for denial of citizen status and are increasingly for the deportation of illegals, (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/12/02/Poll-Support-for-Path-to-Citizenship-for-Illegals-at-Record-Low-after-Obama-Exec-Amnesty)they won the election, they will bow to Imperial Decree despite what the rabble say, and once they take power they'll find new reasons to not do a damn thing, because in the end the E-GOP majority does not see themselves as an opposition party, but rather as a better party of managers of the Imperium. Any y'all smelly little commoners better STFD and STFU, know your place!!!
::upsidedownflag::
ETA - More futile screaming into a hurricane, if you go for that sort of thing.... (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/newt-gingrich-latest-obama-move-greatest-threat-to-freedom-since-king-george-iii/#!)
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Speaker Boehner (AKA-The Great Weeping Carrot) is going all Nancy Pelosi on $1T spending bill (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/226180-conservatives-complain-house-gop-leaders-ramming-through-spending-bill), and you will recall the fate of the last Speaker to ram through something in the dark of night without reading it, let alone letting the people have time to read it...
;)
::asskicking::
Just fracking awesome leadership, eh? Yeah, doesn't it feel swell being effed over by an E-GOPer rather than a DemonRat? Huh? What? Feels worse? Aww, lighten up and be reasonable, damnit! Yeah, uhh huh...seems to me these clowns need a wake up call, delivered like a lead pipe along the skull!!!
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Man. They didn't even wait to seat the new Congress before delivering their Eff Yous to the voters who just handed them yet another pointless victory.
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Not clueless.
Malevolent.
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Politics is dead.
All that remians is The Founders Option.
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Even the mere hint of using the word shutdown has The Speaker wetting himself!
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/cromnibus-bill-talks-113406.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/cromnibus-bill-talks-113406.html)
Yup, you can't find leadership like this just anywhere...you have to turn over a lot of rocks first...
And the new Congress will reconfirm this cowardly lion as their chief... ::unknowncomic::
::mooning::
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Even the mere hint of using the word shutdown has The Speaker wetting himself!
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/cromnibus-bill-talks-113406.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/cromnibus-bill-talks-113406.html)
Yup, you can't find leadership like this just anywhere...you have to turn over a lot of rocks first...
And the new Congress will reconfirm this cowardly lion as their chief... ::unknowncomic::
::mooning::
We should have put it to them during the campaign, are you goiing to vote Boehner out, yes or no and if yes we'll find another with testicles.
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As Rush has been pointing out, you can ask yourself all the questions like "why are they so beholden to polls and consultants?" or "why are they so terrified of the media?" but that's not even the real explanation. The simple explanation is that they want amnesty, they want business as usual baseline budgeting, they want unending CRs, they want lots of the same things as the Democrats because both of them are institutions dependent on a large federal government with DC the center of the universe.
My feelings right now aren't even anger (that was already present) so much as exasperation. Even that's not new though. I knew when I went to the poll Nov. 4th it was a pointless gesture. I felt a vague sense of obligation over the fact that so many died anonymous deaths to purchase the right to even have elections. It's not their fault we allowed the process to become corrupted into meaninglessness.
And now they're pushing hard for Jeb to be their guy in 2016. Talk about permanently stuck on stupid.
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Yeah, I was very indifferent at the polls, no sense of pride or anything, totally underwhelmed and convinced my pathetic act was not going to result in anything material to steer us away from the onrushing abyss...
::unknowncomic::
In a perverse way, perhaps they deserve Jeb...I know they sure as Hell are overdue for what will come from it!!!
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The simple explanation is that they want amnesty, they want business as usual baseline budgeting, they want unending CRs, they want lots of the same things as the Democrats because both of them are institutions dependent on a large federal government with DC the center of the universe.
They want the same thing as Democrats BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMOCRATS. The GOP is a wing of the Democratic party- who get elected on the premise that they aren't Democrats, and who serve as the Democratic Party's Emmanuel Goldstein that they can direct their followers enmity and hate toward and who they can use to implement those agenda items that are not popular with their normal "free-shyt army" of followers. Don't blame us, blame Emmanuel Goldstein the GOP for taking us to war with EastAsia. They are the bad guys. They are the bad guys subjugating women, creating poverty, etc. And the GOP is happy to go along with it, because they get to walk the same halls of power and enjoy the same benefits as the Dems do while they are there, and they don't have to do anything but play the bad guy and absorb the anger of the country till the next great push leftward.
They, have, of course, tried to get the Independent Minded conservatives to form a non-thinking hive mind around Red-Team, and had some limited success at that, but by and large, the GOP can only win on being not Democrat. My mother was surprised when I told her I had never voted for a candidate - only against the Democrat. The GOP leadership knows this, and the ruse is wearing so thin now they obviously just don't care. The game is stupid. There is no point. Let Hilary be president. Let her own the collapse ( which cannot be adverted in any case) I am not voting for another Big Government Statist Democrat in red team uniform - another Bush, another Romney, another McCain. The ruse has to end, and the GOP has to die before ANYTHING can be done.
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All they do is continually run the Good Cop / Bad Cop routine on the electorate. Your definition of who's Good Cop and who's Bad Cop may differ, but the result of the game is the same regardless. And never forget they both work for the police department.
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The simple explanation is that they want amnesty, they want business as usual baseline budgeting, they want unending CRs, they want lots of the same things as the Democrats because both of them are institutions dependent on a large federal government with DC the center of the universe.
They want the same thing as Democrats BECAUSE THEY ARE DEMOCRATS. The GOP is a wing of the Democratic party- who get elected on the premise that they aren't Democrats, and who serve as the Democratic Party's Emmanuel Goldstein that they can direct their followers enmity and hate toward and who they can use to implement those agenda items that are not popular with their normal "free-shyt army" of followers. Don't blame us, blame Emmanuel Goldstein the GOP for taking us to war with EastAsia. They are the bad guys. They are the bad guys subjugating women, creating poverty, etc. And the GOP is happy to go along with it, because they get to walk the same halls of power and enjoy the same benefits as the Dems do while they are there, and they don't have to do anything but play the bad guy and absorb the anger of the country till the next great push leftward.
They, have, of course, tried to get the Independent Minded conservatives to form a non-thinking hive mind around Red-Team, and had some limited success at that, but by and large, the GOP can only win on being not Democrat. My mother was surprised when I told her I had never voted for a candidate - only against the Democrat. The GOP leadership knows this, and the ruse is wearing so thin now they obviously just don't care. The game is stupid. There is no point. Let Hilary be president. Let her own the collapse ( which cannot be adverted in any case) I am not voting for another Big Government Statist Democrat in red team uniform - another Bush, another Romney, another McCain. The ruse has to end, and the GOP has to die before ANYTHING can be done.
yes....they are democrats.....obummer was in Nashville today, pimping his amnesty. I've had friends wonder why he came here because they all think " we are a conservative state"....." he can't sell this here"....... First, the county of Davidson ( Nashville) is far from conservative...the surrounding counties vote republican only because they think "LAMAR!" and Corker are conservative....they are not. Matter of fact, I believe obummer came here because BOTH of our so called conservative senators SUPPORT amnesty. Next, Nashville at one time voted to be English only but that is way out the window, Nashville has become somewhat of a sanctuary city and now, today, 30 % of students are non English speaking, as in, they don't know the language at all. The Davidson county school system is busily spending millions, not to teach the illegals English....but to create Spanish speaking classes only.
Now, when I give these facts to my friends, who voted LAMAR and Corker......We have stupid people here.
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Now, when I give these facts to my friends, who voted LAMAR and Corker......We have stupid people here.
This I absolutely do not get. One tells one's friends et al. the facts and it simply fails to make any impression. What is in it for them, real, promised or imagined, that it doesn't matter. At all. What?
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It has to be the false hope of the Chamber of Commerce types, right? That these people will be fit into the jobs others won't/can't take and propserity will reign supreme and fix all ills? Exactly where has this happened? Do people even know we went DECADES without allowing ANY immigrants in just to absorb/assimilate what we took in? When does any of this work quickly like a magic wand and not take time and effort and an influx of people who WANT to assimilate to US?
I tell ya the answer is staring at you...Don closed with it...people ARE STUPID!
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Before I start, I'll say that the border should be closed and protected.
All illegals should be deported and sent to the back of the line.
There's a whole bunch of good reasons to do that.
Now, I'll say this.
It does appear that the illegals will work and work cheap.
Probably not a whole lot stupider than the dross the educational system is producing and not as lazy.
Why wouldn't the C of C want this cheap labor?
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They do want the cheap labor, but what they don't care about is capping the influx and allowing time for assimilation, they don't care about where they live, they don't care about strains on the educational and healthcare facilities...they see one thing and one thing only - cheap labor.
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Why wouldn't the C of C want this cheap labor?
There is no reason we can't get cheap labor by upping the number of work visas issued if that is desired.... and those VISAs could be given to only people who actually want to become citizens, and who want complete the naturalization process. (and I think citizenship should be automatic on a work visa if you get one and stay employees (and paying taxes) for 7 years. But that isn't what the C of C was pushing for - was it?
They do want the cheap labor, but what they don't care about is capping the influx and allowing time for assimilation, they don't care about where they live, they don't care about strains on the educational and healthcare facilities...they see one thing and one thing only - cheap labor.
The Labor could be just as cheap on a work visa if the minimum wage did not apply, and you don't qualify for any social programs. You stay working or you go home . Again, not what they were pushing for. The C of C was obviously somehow pushed to vote against their own interests. Real businessmen know that there is a wide variation in quality from person to person, and you can't rate quality people as easily as you can rate quality melons. Labor may be a commodity, but most goods aren't easily interchangeable. If the labor is cheap, but it doesn't show up to work, shows up stoned, steals from the company, etc you might get exactly what you pay for - or less. Cheap labor is only cheap if you get more relative value... Having the workers come in on Visa already excludes a huge criminal class, and would give them better quality "cheap" labor. The C of C has something wrong with it to not see that.
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But the Faustian Bargain of the CoC and the Progs necessitates that the amnesty route is taken over the VISA route, because the VISA route doesn't have that path to citizenship the Progs need to translate into votes...not that cheating isn't beneath them...but citizens are easier to manipulate.
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I don't disagree with either of you.
It's not only about getting cheap labor from the illegals, it's about pushing down the cost of all labor.
Rather a short-sighted approach but how long has it been since American business has been concerned beyond this (or next) quarter's earnings report?
Henry Ford knew that if he paid his workers more money, they could afford to buy his cars.
American business doesn't know that
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For the past few decades at least, immigration has been driven mostly by economic desires. They are otherwise uninterested in America from a philosophical or spiritual perspective. They have been encouraged in this mindset by a political class interested in creating new power bases, which is easier to do in a fractious society.
In earlier waves of immigration, immigrants understood that they would probably still be poor even after arriving in the American promised land. It was still worth it to them because they desired to live free of all the yokes and shackles of Old World parochialism, and they knew their children and grandchildren would know lives other than poverty. Those immigrants wanted to be Americans. They didn't simply want to found little outposts of their home country while indulging in the material benefits of life in America. How often do you hear stories about Italian immigrants who forbade their children from speaking anything but English? They wanted to become American. Seems to me that most immigrants these days have no interest in becoming American. They want the material benefits of life in America, but otherwise continue to live as if they're still in their home country.
There are no "jobs Americans won't do." There are jobs American won't do so long as they have extended unemployment benefits, SNAP, WIC, and various other welfare. That's why there will always be illegal immigrants. There is no "comprehensive immigration reform" to be had. You make the current crop of them into legal citizens, they'll suddenly become more of those Americans who won't do certain jobs -- not when they have welfare instead.
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"There is no "comprehensive immigration reform" to be had. You make the current crop of them into legal citizens, they'll suddenly become more of those Americans who won't do certain jobs -- not when they have welfare instead."
Yup.
But I bet you get labeled a racist if you say that to a moron. Not that that would stop us...'jus sayin'.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/gop-cuts-spending-deal-yes-obamas-amnesty-thru-least-feb-27-no-light (http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/gop-cuts-spending-deal-yes-obamas-amnesty-thru-least-feb-27-no-light)
Drowning Pool - Bodies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04F4xlWSFh0#)
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Palin speaks.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/sarah-palin-responds-to-republican-trillion-dollar-omnibus-bill/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/sarah-palin-responds-to-republican-trillion-dollar-omnibus-bill/)
Frankly, I would have told them all their asses belong to us so prepare to kiss them goodbye...but Sarah is more tactful than I...
(http://www.americanthinker.com/images/bucket/2014-12/193624_5_.jpg)
Firestarter (http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/12/cromnibus_the_1_trillion_betrayal.html)
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Sick.
E-GOP Grand Poohbah John "BigGov" Boehner convinces 162 Pubbies to commit political suicide and lures 57 grumbling Dems to pass $1.1T Cromnibus bill 219-206 (http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/12/cromnibus-survives-219-206.php#channel=f1980516bfef84f&origin=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com), thus securing the GOP's fate as a walking corpse and making Obama happier than a pederast let loose in a day care facility (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/obama-throws-his-support-behind-gops-omnibus-amnesty-obamacare-bill/)!
This can only spur the SCoaMF to new and more huideous levels of lawless behavior...since all he'll get from the Pubbies is a Not Present endorsement...
Every single one of these "Yea" voting Pubbies need ot be punished!!! (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll563.xml)
Anybody who thinks there is a peaceful political way out of this shyt is seriously not paying attention!!!
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Every single one of these "Yea" voting Pubbies need ot be punished!!! (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll563.xml)
My "conservative" rep voted "yea". ::facepalm::
I WILL remember this when he's up for re-election. ::viking::
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Every single one of these "Yea" voting Pubbies need ot be punished!!! (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll563.xml)
My "conservative" rep voted "yea". ::facepalm::
I WILL remember this when he's up for re-election slithered back into town. ::viking::
FIFY?!
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Every single one of these "Yea" voting Pubbies need ot be punished!!! (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2014/roll563.xml)
My "conservative" rep voted "yea". ::facepalm::
I WILL remember this when he's up for re-election slithered back into town. ::viking::
FIFY?!
Why, yes, you did. Thanks.
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OK. Cowardly, stupid...treacherous...take your pick or all of the above and then some...
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/gop-representative-leadership-lied-to-us-about-cromnibus/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/gop-representative-leadership-lied-to-us-about-cromnibus/)
Either Stutzman is a dupe, a liar or worse...
Either way, the GOP is dead....
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Umm...point of order?
What is Levin waiting for? This is who the GOP is, the E-GOP/Ruling Class/BetterBigGovtManagers are who they are! (http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-to-the-gop-i-am-one-inch-away-from-leaving-you/)
They are not going to change, they are not going to experience a Come To Jesus moment of revelation and suddenly embrace real conservatism, they are not going to change who they are at their core! We are a barely tolerable nussiance to them, something to be used like the Democrats use the blacks, the poor, the ignorant...the only difference being the Democrats throw their stooges lots of bones...the GOP throws us nothing but their feces!
Stop taking feces in the face!
Let them die!!!
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Umm...point of order?
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I listened to his podcast and he was fit to be tied.
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Umm...point of order?
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I listened to his podcast and he was fit to be tied.
I don't catch him very often, his live show is in the evening when I have other stuff going on and I don't always get to his website to catch up. The link said Mark is an inch away from ditching the GOP, I'm thinking we should all be done with them. There just isn't a reason to expect to convert this outfit from within, it has to be abandoned and left to die.
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Umm...point of order?
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I listened to his podcast and he was fit to be tied.
I don't catch him very often, his live show is in the evening when I have other stuff going on and I don't always get to his website to catch up. The link said Mark is an inch away from ditching the GOP, I'm thinking we should all be done with them. There just isn't a reason to expect to convert this outfit from within, it has to be abandoned and left to die.
There has to be somewhere to go, another party, doesn't there?
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Yeah, and that means it's going to be up to us to create that somewhere else to go. This should have been done years ago, but the whole "we have to work within an organization capable of winning" argument hadn't quite worn out yet. Well let me tell you it is worn out now. It's no longer a joke to say it doesn't matter if you vote for them or not. And now they're pissing directly in our faces with the whole "it's gonna be Jeb, it has to be Jeb" crap.
I've been disgusted with them for a long time now, but usually allowed myself to be guilted into voting for them on the basis of "well, we have to stop the Democrats first. We can worry about the RINOs after that." Well I'm not doing that anymore. What they have done now should thoroughly disabuse everyone of the notion that they're merely inept. No, this is all deliberate policy. They're clipping the wings of the incoming majorities before they even take office. Boehner and McConnell still get to run their respective chambers, and leadership still gets to chair all the committees, and that is literally all that matters to them.
Done with those fools. And Levin needs to hurry up and cross that final inch. Maybe if we started getting major voices calling for the formation of a new party it would become a reality. I've never been particularly moved by the "you're just throwing your vote away" argument against the idea of a new party. If enough people "threw their votes away" it would suddenly cease to be throwing them away.
It's time for people like Levin and Limbaugh to use their clout in a meaningful way.
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Umm...point of order?
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I listened to his podcast and he was fit to be tied.
I don't catch him very often, his live show is in the evening when I have other stuff going on and I don't always get to his website to catch up. The link said Mark is an inch away from ditching the GOP, I'm thinking we should all be done with them. There just isn't a reason to expect to convert this outfit from within, it has to be abandoned and left to die.
See if you can get a chance to catch last night's because he had both Mike Lee and Ted Cruz on (at separate times).
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Who the frick believes anything this traitor has to say let alone promise? Why do they even bother printing anything this trash has to say? There is not ONE challenge in this useless posting about this idiot caving on everything else and why he should be trusted with one atom of trust? (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CONGRESS_MCCONNELL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-12-17-14-11-05)
Clincher?
This is what this trash thinks of the Tea Party and anybody not marching to the E-GOP tune: "Serious adults are in charge here and we intend to make progress."
::doublebird::
Dead elephant walking...their future is sealed.
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/RINOs/dead-elephant_997500c_zps17ab9d78.jpg)
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I saw a comment over at WRSA that made me laugh. I know it will make you laugh too.
"Where there's rope there's hope."
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Heh!
::cool::
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Know your usless scumbag...
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00352 (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=113&session=2&vote=00352)
Those 20 voting with the Dem's and following McConnell need to be dealt with!!!
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Uhh huh, we've all heard this BS before! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/poll-majority-of-republicans-want-to-dump-boehner-as-speaker/) If it is one thing Pubbies excel at it is cowardice in the face of the E-GOP and the Dem's!
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/228429-gohmert-announces-challenge-to-boehner (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/228429-gohmert-announces-challenge-to-boehner)
Good luck. Hope you have thick armor, the E-GOP knives will be coming out.
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I'm rooting for Louie. Let's hope he's got few skeletons in his closet.
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I predict Boehner retains the Speaker position.
Just a little drama.
Lucy and the football
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It is hard to go against past history...a history of cowardice and capitulation...but there certainly does seem to be an uptick in general dissatisfaction with The Great Weeping Carrot (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/4/joseph-curl-john-boehner-facing-mounting-mutiny/#!), of that I do not doubt, but as with everything we will believe it when it translates into positive action.
So we wait and we watch.
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He's not going anywhere. In the long run it's probably best. People need to reach a level of disgust that will finally compel them to abandon the GOP.
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Boehner will promise to be conservative until he's re-elected then shove a finger in our eye
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He's not going anywhere. In the long run it's probably best. People need to reach a level of disgust that will finally compel them to abandon the GOP.
Better yet, chase them down and drive them out of the nation. Then we could do the same for the Progs! ::whoohoo::
I need a happy ending!
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Son of a ::cussing:: My happy ending sure got quickly pee'd on! ::angry::
Useless douchebag McConnell does something even the French never tried - surrender before the battle even starts!!! (http://weaselzippers.us/209998-mcconnell-strikes-a-moderate-tone-for-new-congress/)
This festering ass-pimple needs to get lanced too...but the E-GOP cowards in the Senate are in even greater proportion in this puke-riddled Senate than it is in the Boner House!!!
::pullhair::
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Linkee no workee for me
:(
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Weaselzippers blog is having a problem today and I suspect it has something to do with the fact that they posted a link to the ‘For Blacks Only’ Handbook Used By #BlackBrunch Activists.
http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/05/latest-affront-to-egalitarian-sensibilities-brunch/comment-page-1/#comment-9011454 (http://hotair.com/archives/2015/01/05/latest-affront-to-egalitarian-sensibilities-brunch/comment-page-1/#comment-9011454)
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I predict Boehner retains the Speaker position.
Just a little drama.
Lucy and the football
I'm inclined to go along with you American Pat.
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I predict Boehner retains the Speaker position.
Just a little drama.
Lucy and the football
I'm inclined to go along with you American Pat.
Maybe a bit more drama.
Palin weighs in...
“Well I think Speaker Boehner unfortunately didn’t listen to many of us who all along were saying, yopu know, when you campaign one way and govern another way, man that’s a turnoff. And, really it’s unethical. And, we don’t have to put up with that.”
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/sarah-palin-john-boehner-is-unethical/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/sarah-palin-john-boehner-is-unethical/)
She is right of course, we don't have to put up with it, even if the Pubbies do!
And right now..."barely half" is probably good enough to get the POS reelected as Speaker...Heck some Dem's might join in just to make sure it happens since the Tea Party people, Conservatives and Independents hate his ass so much!
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/breaking-boehner-ally-says-speaker-has-solid-support-of-barely-half-of-gop-members/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/01/breaking-boehner-ally-says-speaker-has-solid-support-of-barely-half-of-gop-members/)
So, while I would like to see a better Speaker, we all ought to expect disappointment. Even if he fails on the first vote or two, the surrender-gene will kick in for most Pubbies and they'll close ranks behind this idiot!
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I'm sure he can count on my Mike Kelly's strong support.
Mike is so far up his arse that, If Boner farted, Mike would be shot like a missle
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He isn't the only one up there! ::)
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Boehner has quite an arse
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It could qualify as subsidized housing for E-GOP clowns.
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It never ceases to amaze me when jackwagons like this can so brazenly lie their ass off in front of God and everybody (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-08/john-boehner-im-most-anti-establishment-speaker-weve-ever-had) and not be immediately struck down by lightening! I mean if the Almighty is busy can't somebody else throw a bolt in His honor?
::gaah::
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/overkill.gif)
Let's see some of this anti-establishment in action, OK?
Any pushback to this 300 regulatory tsunami by Obama (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/08/obama-admin-unleashes-300-regulations-in-the-first-week-of-2015/)? Uhh, no.
Any action on ObamaCare repeal/defunding? Uhh, no. In fact, Obama's IRS issues 21 pages of O-Regs (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/irs-issues-21-pages-of-obamacare-tax-instructions/article/2558368#!), what is the great anti-establishment response of O'Boehner?
(crickets)
How about illegals and amnesty? Oohhh, touchy subject for this bunch of CoC ass-kissing amnesty-lovers, eh? Obama continues to court illegals, (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/08/administration-releases-multilingual-fliers-to-raise-awareness-of-exec-amnesty/) will the anti-establishment Speaker turns a blind eye!
Way to go, O'Boehner! ::doublebird::
What about the enemies of liberty and freedom in the Senate, what are they up to? Not much. But hey, they are considering increasing the gas tax! (http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/228986-momentum-seen-in-push-for-gas-tax-hike) Awesome! Aren't you glad those damned Democrats are no longer controlling the Senate?
Yeah, this was such a swell idea! Throw a bunch of E-GOP stooges back into leadership! Brilliant! Real men/womwen of genius!!!
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Warnings/SystemFailure.jpg)
f**k it!
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Moving on...
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In the deeds not words department the Pubbies continue to (predictably true to form) yield ground to the enemy quicker than the French before the Wehrmacht:
"This comes as Republicans have backed down from several immigration campaign promises as they seek to 'govern' rather than follow through on what they said they were going to do." (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/26/obama-approval-rating-at-50-percent-as-republicans-abandon-immigration-campaign-promises/)
Read the whole sorry affair in the link, we've been saying all along these idiots only care to think of themselves as better managers of the Federal behemoth, cutting the behemoth down in size barely registers on their puny little brains as nothing more than a throw-away promise to make to pain-in-the-ass conservatives.
The right thing to do is the right thing to do and the best way to do the right thing is to believe in it and fight for it...especially if in the face of insurmountable odds. But this is a concept E-GOPers cannot grasp, they've lost all semblance of human virtue, they are gutless cowards! They cannot even give the boot to a SCoaMF Speaker and a SCoaMF Senate Majority Leader, why would any sane person expect them to fight for anything they give a damn about?
Deeds.
Their deeds condemn them!!!
Fate is going to be cruel mistress to these idiots, and we'll be there to remind them!!!
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We've reached the Jesus flipping over the tables in the Temple moment for our republic. Just have to wait until there are enough pissed off to get up enough nerve to storm DC and do it. ::praying::
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Hope I'm alive to see/participate in it!
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As long as Pubbies pal around with DemonRats (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/alfalfa-club-dinner-114814.html), I for one will never be convinced there is a rats ass difference between R's and D's! At the very least one cannot possibly intelligently argue the Pubbies take the contest for America seriously. And if you are not serious, what's the fricken point?!
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More bold Pubbie leadership on display (http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/02/gop-leaders-minimize-immigration-fight-while-obama-pushes-for-amnesty-funding/), I am sure political domination for perpetuity is just a heartbeat away...
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And let me just add, it is a massive error in judgement to have outlawed dueling (http://www3.hoh.rollcall.com/florida-dem-violates-cardinal-rule-dont-mess-with-texas-video/), it needs to be made legal, then dealing with pieces of pig shyt like this asshole Hastings would really put a muzzle on the libels and lies spewing from proglodyte yaps!!!
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And let me just add, it is a massive error in judgement to have outlawed dueling (http://www3.hoh.rollcall.com/florida-dem-violates-cardinal-rule-dont-mess-with-texas-video/), it needs to be made legal, then dealing with pieces of pig shyt like this asshole Hastings would really put a muzzle on the libels and lies spewing from proglodyte yaps!!!
Been saying that for years! Put up or shut up. All this coming out of a mouth from one impeached judge from FL.
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And let me just add, it is a massive error in judgement to have outlawed dueling (http://www3.hoh.rollcall.com/florida-dem-violates-cardinal-rule-dont-mess-with-texas-video/), it needs to be made legal, then dealing with pieces of pig shyt like this asshole Hastings would really put a muzzle on the libels and lies spewing from proglodyte yaps!!!
Been saying that for years! Put up or shut up. All this coming out of a mouth from one impeached judge from FL.
Me too. Since sometime in the mid-80's...
Sooner or later, there will be blood, it would be prudent to make it safe, legal and rare! ::evil::
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And let me just add, it is a massive error in judgement to have outlawed dueling (http://www3.hoh.rollcall.com/florida-dem-violates-cardinal-rule-dont-mess-with-texas-video/), it needs to be made legal, then dealing with pieces of pig shyt like this asshole Hastings would really put a muzzle on the libels and lies spewing from proglodyte yaps!!!
Been saying that for years! Put up or shut up. All this coming out of a mouth from one impeached judge from FL.
Me too. Since sometime in the mid-80's...
Sooner or later, there will be blood, it would be prudent to make it safe, legal and rare! ::evil::
I love that expression for this....Safe, Legal and Rare.
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In yet another example of inbred E-GOP weakness and stupidty...Speaker Boehner views his number one priority as not defeating the continued agenda of Obama and the Dem's to destroy what is left of America, no, his number one job is to transfer blame for failure on his real enemies - Conservative Senators.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/boehner-calls-out-cruz-sessions-on-immigration-20150203 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/boehner-calls-out-cruz-sessions-on-immigration-20150203)
This is brilliant strategy, right out of The Butthead Bible...pass a bill in the House that is allegedly loaded with Conservative treats (Do we really know? Who read this thing and knows exactly what it means? Is it completely free of CoC wink and nods?) and tell the Senate's leading Conservative rabblerousers to sway those Dem's or it's on your ass! Perfectly set up to give cover for a so-called "bi-partisan" ([Cough!] Bi-Progressive!! [Cough!]) immigration reform (amnesty for all!) bill.
This is leadership?
Heck, they are even twisting themselves into shape to justify pissing their pants and dropping any legal challenge to the illegal executive actions!
America, f**k no! ::unknowncomic::
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This fits.
(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Demotivation/holes_zpsnhfmbhce.jpg)
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This fits.
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Wow, that sure does!