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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Libertas on Yesterday at 06:40:08 AM »
There are two problems with comprises: 1) the obvious - incrementalism that always favors the Left and only the Left and 2) a compromise law does nothing to settle the constitutional merits or lack thereof of Roe v Wade whereas a straight clean bill does...there is no constitutional basis for what the 1972 court pulled out of its ass...otherwise if the take one life to save another argument (another extreme case like rape & incest for a practice that is overwhelmingly elective) is to be valid then Katie bar the door because I have a host of situations to apply that standard to and I bet I am far from alone!

With all respect to different opinions, f**k compromise...all it does is postpone the inevitable and piss me off even more.
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Weisshaupt on May 19, 2019, 05:20:22 PM »

Thanks. I probably should have written "Stand for what's right & trust God for the results."


Admittedly better... but I certainly won't be raptured out.. I  will be here for the long haul and Revelations makes it pretty darn clear that those times will not be fun.


You will still need to decide when to stand and when to crouch and when to play dead.

God's plans are often filled with suffering and death.. and fighting to minimize that is still a noble aim-- dying in a morally justified blaze of glory does not always best serve the (His) cause.
We are reaching a point where not being born might be  a mercy, and standing for what is right now will prevent the better outcome later
Its entirely possible God has abandoned America to the same  fate as  Sodom..
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Pablo de Fleurs on May 19, 2019, 12:51:42 PM »


We need as few people motivated to interfere with that as possible -  Letting the chips fall where they may is simply bad tactics. In a war you decide the battlefield. You decide when to engage  and when  to run. Standing on principles will get you killed. Period.

Thanks. I probably should have written "Stand for what's right & trust God for the results."
'Let the chips fall where they may' implies sitting back & observing what happens. That's not my intention. The "chips" may involve us all in a bloody battle in which lives are taken by both sides. It may involve taking somebody out who gets too in your face @ a restaurant or on line for coffee. It also may involve recruiting as many voters for our side & making sure they vote on election day for a 2nd Trump term

It's all God's plan - and we're the players (and we MUST play those parts). In the beginning of Genesis, all is good - and @ the end of Revelation, it's clear that Jesus wins. But the part in the middle is the essence of struggles & battle. Each side claims to be "on the right side of history". As I read my Bible, however, it's crystal clear that progressives aren't.

They're not even close.
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Weisshaupt on May 19, 2019, 09:46:09 AM »
And on Cue...

https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/wires/state-nation-world/democrats-shift-to-seize-on-supreme-court-as-2020-campaign-issue/

I don't disagree with Pan or Pablo ( or anyone one else ) on this morally. And yes the babies of rape or incest pay for it.
This is war and triage is necessary. 

Others - within  their right of conscience, do disagree - and those who can't see the plain facts that Pablo and Pan and others point out past their own selfish needs - shouldn't be parents.

Is it just? No
Is it moral? No
Is it practical to let them have their way because we are in a god damn war for the nation? Yes.
Wars are never just, good or moral.  They are often  necessary.

We need as few people motivated to interfere with that as possible -  Letting the chips fall where they may is simply bad tactics. In a war you decide the battlefield. You decide when to engage  and when  to run. Standing on principles will get you killed. Period.   

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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Pablo de Fleurs on May 18, 2019, 10:52:55 AM »
The right is always hollering because none of our "representatives" ever push back on the advances of the Left.  Now they're pushing back, *finally*, and what do we hear from the pussyfooters?  The timing ain't right.  This is wrong, that is wrong.  I'll tell you what's wrong, murder of the innocent unborn.

The supposed strategy is to have the USSC turn the issue back to the States and I'm fine with that, with each State having its prescriptions and proscriptions, so if Little Miss Can't Be Wrong wants to haul ass across state lines to unf**k her mistake, then let it be on her immortal soul.

That's the reason I kicked off the thread - I can certainly see the point of using this to rally/leverage votes against a second Trump term - but I think he has a hedge of protection wrapped around him (how else could he survive the evil onslaught aimed against him?).

Stand for what's right & let the chips fall as they may . . .
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by ToddF on May 18, 2019, 06:17:17 AM »
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Most of Europe allows abortion during the 1st trimester, and then nope, nada zip.

Which is what I would push for, for now.  If you're raped, you have 3 months.  No longer.

I would guess it's probably 77% that support an abortion in the first trimester.  That's just the reality of today's America.  You don't have to like it.  Heck, even South Dakota put it to a vote, a few years ago.  As red as SD is, a straight up ban on abortion lost at the polls.
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Pandora on May 17, 2019, 10:38:52 PM »
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... we don't know when life begins any more than anyone else.

Oh bullcrap. 

"4. Pronuclei merge, within 12 hours. After fertilization, the packets of DNA from male and female — the pronuclei — approach, merge, and the intermingling chromosomes pair and part, as the first mitotic division looms. A new human genome forms. Following that first division, some genes from the new genome are accessed to make proteins, but maternal transcripts still dominate development.

https://blogs.plos.org/dnascience/2013/10/03/when-does-a-human-life-begins-17-timepoints/

I don't even know if I believe that, but let's give that guy a 12-hour benefit of the doubt.

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... They scream they are coming for  your abortions each and every election - even when no one has said a damn thing.
Now they have a credible threat to point to

Correctomundo, so what's the diff between the Left screaming about a potential threat every election and a credible threat, when their voters are coming out regardless -- none.

The right is always hollering because none of our "representatives" ever push back on the advances of the Left.  Now they're pushing back, *finally*, and what do we hear from the pussyfooters?  The timing ain't right.  This is wrong, that is wrong.  I'll tell you what's wrong, murder of the innocent unborn.

The supposed strategy is to have the USSC turn the issue back to the States and I'm fine with that, with each State having its prescriptions and proscriptions, so if Little Miss Can't Be Wrong wants to haul ass across state lines to unf**k her mistake, then let it be on her immortal soul.

Abortion is going to happen; I, for one, don't want to help it do so where it can be avoided.

Oh, and PS:

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... or at least allows the 1.5%  of abortions that are done for reasons of rape or incest.

Great.  So there will still be a death penalty for rape, but it'll be the child who pays it.
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General Board / Re: A Banjo on my Knee
« Last post by Weisshaupt on May 17, 2019, 10:34:37 PM »
Wouldn't hold up?  Most of Europe allows abortion during the 1st trimester, and then nope, nada zip.
Maybe too much for the die hard Liberals and too much for the die had lifers. For that squishy middle- polls suggest its about right.. so one party looks extreme and other other... does not.

The larger problem of course is that this bill isn't trying to please anyone - its sole purpose is to get liberals angry   and ready to vote.


 
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