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Economy / Re: PG/Gillette cuts off their manhood in a dramatic and public way
« Last post by AlanS on Yesterday at 04:58:02 PM »
OMG!!! I have a beard! I'm consumed by toxic masculinity! ::ohno::
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General Board / Re: Some came as a surprise.
« Last post by AlanS on Yesterday at 04:49:11 PM »
One said they supported McCain...

...I guess they didn't define "Republican", so...

...if that's what brought them in...

 ::)

I'm not really picking most of them up as conservative.

My hero is James Woods. I've been tempted to start a Twitter account just to follow him.
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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by DocTrock on Yesterday at 04:39:05 PM »


People in Crimea are pretty happy to be in Russia.
The US and its minions have given an enormous amount of weapons to jihadists.
Elections in Russia reflect popular opinion polling.
There really are a frightening number of well-armed nazis in Ukraine.
Assad is pretty popular in Syria.
The US and its minions smashed Raqqa to bits.
The official Skripal story makes very little sense.
Ukraine is much worse off, by any measurement, now than before Maidan.
Russia actually had several thousand troops in Crimea before Maidan.
There's a documentary that exposes Browder that he keeps people from seeing.


Crimea has always been Russian, until recent times when it was part of Ukraine temporarily.  They are indeed happy to be back in Russia!  That's why they overwhelmingly voted in that way.

Indeed, the US armed, trained, advised and fought alongside ISIS.  America and Americans are responsible for slaughtering the oldest Christian communities in the world....which were protected and supported by Assad and which he will protect and support again, now that he has fought off the invading, US-backed forces that have vainly tried to topple his legitimate government.

The "gas attacks" in Syria were false flag operations.   No question about that.

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A few posts up John from Florida said that "there is no way russia and China will cooperate with their currencies."  paraphrased.   I've proven that wrong.

He also said Russia was aggressive in Georgia, which I also proved wrong. 

As for China being aggressive because El Salvador decided to align with PRC and not Taipei.....this is not aggression at all.   It's an example of diplomacy.

America is a false-front operation: 
You claim to be peaceful....yet you are perpetually at war.   
You claim to be powerful, yet you cannot win a war, no matter who the enemy is.   
You claim to stand for human rights/women's rights and yet you closely ally yourself to Saudi Arabia for 30 pieces of oily silver.
You claim that your "democracy" is the envy of the world....but you must use bullets, missiles, drones and sanctions against everyone who disagrees or won't bow to US pressure.
You claim to stand for free and fair, democratic elections....but if those elections have outcomes that don't match liberal/conservative agendas,  you undermine the will of the people and foment 'regime change' via the CIA.   You did this in Ukraine, Libya, and right here with Trump.   
You claim to have the "moral high ground" and yet the nation is a taxpayor funded abortion mill.

I remember arguing about the Afghan and Iraq wars back in 2008.  I made the statement back then that "America will always be at war, because the neoconservative foreign policy demands it."   I was laughed at by liberal/conservatives back then.....and here we are!  Still at war.  No end in sight.

At what point does a rational person say ENOUGH!  At what point does common sense and facts prevail over propaganda?   

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Back to the EU.  Let's pray it topples and NATO with it.   The future of the human race depends on it. 

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Science, Technology, & Medicine / Re: Canada vs Siberia
« Last post by AlanS on Yesterday at 04:37:50 PM »
Don't sweat it Alan, crack a beer...I know you have beer!



I could use that at my house.
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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by DocTrock on Yesterday at 04:19:49 PM »

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

This is a bit like asserting that because few poor people had the opportunity to go to college, then none of them would have gone if given the opportunity to do so..
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Declaring international waters to be your own personal jurisdiction against international law  is aggressive.  Backing a revolution in the Ukraine is aggressive.
Perhaps not as aggressive as what America has done ( tu quoque again)  but that means its a difference of degree- both have a "track record of aggression" just not a track record as egregious as that of US.  ..

I don't see any track record that demonstrates a difference of intent or an unwillingness to be aggressive - so there is no reason to assume given more opportunity to be so, that more egregious aggression will not follow.

Huh?  The USA fomented and "backed" the revolution in Ukraine.  Not Russia.

America has declared the entire planet to be "in our national interest."   This means that Georgia attacking S. Ossetia---both are within the Russian sphere of influence, not America's----is America's business.   Assad using his own troops in his own country is aggression against the USA.....

Pretty much everything anyone does anywhere in the world without explicit permission from the US is seen as an attack on America amongst the liberal/conservative. crowd.

I don't understand the point you're trying to make.  You're certainly not rebutting mine.
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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by Weisshaupt on Yesterday at 04:14:03 PM »

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

This is a bit like asserting that because few poor people had the opportunity to go to college, then none of them would have gone if given the opportunity to do so..
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Declaring international waters to be your own personal jurisdiction against international law  is aggressive.  Backing a revolution in the Ukraine is aggressive.
Perhaps not as aggressive as what America has done ( tu quoque again)  but that means its a difference of degree- both have a "track record of aggression" just not a track record as egregious as that of US.  ..

I don't see any track record that demonstrates a difference of intent or an unwillingness to be aggressive - so there is no reason to assume given more opportunity to be so, that more egregious aggression will not follow.

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We have a local media empire here in the Raleigh, NC area owned by local Limousine Liberal Jim Goodman. This is the same television station that gave conservative superstar Jesse Helms a five minute editorial commentary segment at the close of every broadcast. Once young Jim took over, the station as abandoned any pretext of impartiality and has been the propaganda arm of the North Carolina Democratic Party.

The station hired a new “personality”, Jeff Hogan, to anchor the off prime news broadcast. Nice looking guy who endeared himself to his viewers while bravely recovering from a body surfing accident on the Outer Banks. I first noticed his creeping editorial comments in a neutral news story when he was reviewing the Jim Acosta story when he refused to relinquish the microphone to the White House intern. Hogan said “a Administration spokesman accused Acosta of putting his hands on the intern ‘when the video clearly showed’ he didn’t.” I took the time to send Hogan a screenshot and short PBS video calling him on his comment. No response to my email.

The final straw was his comment that Bill Barr, in his testimony before congress on his confirmation as AG said he would allow Mueller to “complete his investigation” although that “contradicted his 19 page memo” to Rod Rosenstein. Clearly, Hogan is caring the water for the Progressive view as the memo was regarding the specific issue of Obstruction of Justice and not the general Russian Meddling Investigation. I sent another email calling out his comment as ignorant of the facts. I’m still holding my breath on that.

Retirement is great as I have the time to tilt at the windmills of political bias by the media. Wish me luck!
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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by patentlymn on Yesterday at 03:46:40 PM »
I always tried to look at both sides of an issue but it takes time which I don't always have.
I was always considered a right wing pro American pro military guy, by myself and others and any quiz I took on line.

In the past maybe 10 years I have reached shocking conclusions. I agree with Doc on everything or almost everything. When I realized what we did in Libya I felt almost sick. The fake gas attacks in Syria almost as bad. Ukraine also. The high international finance stuff I do not understand. I choose not to dig into Yemen or Serbia. I do not have time.

IF people have any interest in exploring the other side of some issues, here are some links.
Like Doc said, one issue at a time is better.

Youtube stuff below.
The Duran and RT  Cross Talk.  The Sunday show from The Duran is LONG.
Black Pigeon Speaks and  Way of the World.
ADVChina, SerpentZA, and Laowhy86 have video blogs from China going way back. Recently they have become more negative. Lots of videos from cities, the countryside, etc. They stayed away from political subjects until recently. Almost like travel videos.

UK report on Libya. Details in the report.
https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/foreign-affairs-committee/news-parliament-2015/libya-report-published-16-17/

A book on China I liked. A little dated. China is confusing.
The Party: The Secret World of China’s Communist Rulers Paperback – July 31, 2012
by Richard McGregor  (Author)




From another article on line below. The NAZI item takes explaining and is kinda true.
Other sources of news are suggested for Russia and others.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/01/theres_more_to_russia_than_meets_the_eye.html
January 15, 2019
There's More to Russia than Meets the Eye
By James V. DeLong
While I have only a concerned citizen's knowledge of foreign affairs, I am baffled by the hysterical Russophobia of the MSM and the Democratic Party since the 2016 election.
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https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/01/08/back-to-ussr-how-to-read-western-news.html
PATRICK ARMSTRONG | 08.01.2019 | WORLD / AMERICAS, EUROPE   | FEATURED STORY
Back to the USSR: How to Read Western News
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But time moves on and while thirty years ago 50 corporations controlled 90% of the US news media, today it's a not very diverse six. As a result, on many subjects there is a monoview: has any Western news outlet reported, say, these ten true statements?

People in Crimea are pretty happy to be in Russia.
The US and its minions have given an enormous amount of weapons to jihadists.
Elections in Russia reflect popular opinion polling.
There really are a frightening number of well-armed nazis in Ukraine.
Assad is pretty popular in Syria.
The US and its minions smashed Raqqa to bits.
The official Skripal story makes very little sense.
Ukraine is much worse off, by any measurement, now than before Maidan.
Russia actually had several thousand troops in Crimea before Maidan.
There's a documentary that exposes Browder that he keeps people from seeing.

Here are some youtube links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEOmlPM08A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A37k6HwGwmc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uILsh5CaD2g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJV6kwkV0tc
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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by DocTrock on Yesterday at 03:44:18 PM »

  Please be kind enough to click the link.
http://www.atimes.com/chinas-aggression-against-taiwan-could-backfire/
  Crimea was part of Ukraine they don't just decide that they are not and not to mention the Russian tanks and artilary at the border making sure the have the upper hand.

  But so far as far as you are concerned the US hasn't done one right thing but Russia and China are up for saint hood.  And no I don't agree with everything we've done.

I read all your links.  Thanks for providing them.

Crimea was indeed part of Ukraine.....until the people of Crimea via the democratic process decided to become part of Russia again, as they historically were.   They speak Russian in Crimea.   Always have.   That's not aggressive behavior by Russia.

As for tanks on the border.....it's when they cross the border that aggression occurs.   The USA has tanks near the Mexican border.  Does this mean the USA has invaded Mexico?   If you say "no" than your notion that Russia has been aggressive in Crimea and Ukraine is exposed as baseless.   If you say "yes, this is aggressive behavior, having one's own tanks on one's own soil, near a border" then again......what the hell do you call America's behavior?

Neither Russia or China has invaded anyone.  Neither country has anything close to the number of foreign military bases that the USA has.  Neither spend as much on their military either....mainly because they don't use it for everything from fighting Ebola to supporting ISIS and invading everywhere.

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World/Foreign Affairs / Re: Is the EU Going to Topple?
« Last post by DocTrock on Yesterday at 03:35:49 PM »
"If you call this "aggression" what in the hell do you call the USA's behavior?"

Tu Quoque is still a fallacy.
Neither of these two nations possesses the world reserve currency (yet)  so what is the point of arguing over who is worse given one set doesn't have anywhere near the global reach and power of United States,  and no one knows how they will behave if given that sort of power.

What is clear from history is that power corrupts.  No matter how virtuous nor not these countries have been before , it would be expected that with additional power, they will act less virtuously.  Putin was and is thug.. not a stupid man by any means, but I can assure that his dealings on the world stage are not motivated by altruism or benevolence. And China has certainly been rattling sabers..   Suggesting either nation is "virtuous" or not aggressive simply doesn't fit with facts.  That they are probably to be considered less so than the US is probably a result in the disparity of power, not because of purity of motive.

There is no metric that can show China or Russia to be aggressive.   Postulating about how either nation might act if they possessed more power is not the same as a proven track record of aggression.

Also, I'm not suggesting that China or Russia is "virtuous."  Rather, I'm stating that the USA is by far the most aggressive nation and the most indebted nation.   Furthermore, I'm saying that the trend clearly favors China and Russia this century.  Both have far less debt than America,  both are working on a gold-backed alternative to the dollar and neither are wasting their wealth on foreign aggressive warfare all over the globe.  Both feature a growing middle class, improved economies (despite US sanctions) far lower tax rates and much sounder fiscal practices than the USA.   

These facts prove my point.

Nothing I've said isn't 100% factual.   It is also factual that what I'm saying does not fit into the right/left/liberal/conservative political framework.
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