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Title: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2013, 08:22:08 AM
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7669066a-601f-11e3-b360-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mz0WYySH (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/7669066a-601f-11e3-b360-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2mz0WYySH)

Not that Europe is exaclty the exemplar of freedom and virtue...but these folks really have been a plaything for the Russians for far too long...at some point they have to create their own identity and be free and independent on their own terms and not be a pawn of any power!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on December 09, 2013, 08:29:03 AM
Ironic what started it.  A leftist piece of garbage pretending he's a "right" thinker, just to go left again after winning.

A lesson to those who think any Democrat piece of garbage is anything but.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 09, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
FT has one of those obnoxious paywalls.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2013, 07:48:06 AM
Crap, forgot about that...link from Drudge or someplace and you get it, kinda a one and done then that wall hits!   ::bashing::

As usual you get out of Amerika and the coverage is more widespread...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-divided-as-tens-of-thousands-protest-against-governments-scrapped-eu-deal-8960577.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-divided-as-tens-of-thousands-protest-against-governments-scrapped-eu-deal-8960577.html)

This sentiment was echoed by a number of protesters who spoke to The Independent. Anatolii, a 43 year-old Kiev resident, said: “Everyone who wants to live in a better Ukraine should be here today. This is about people coming together to achieve one aim – to be free, independent and proud of our country.”

Hang onto that desire and make it a reality.

Meanwhile Vald's puppet keeping a lid on the opposition -

Meanwhile, heavyweight world boxing champion and opposition Presidential candidate Vitalii Klitschko found his plane diverted as he attempted to return to Kiev from a business trip.

A spokesperson for his party said that he had been forced to land in a city several hundred miles from Kiev and the authorities had refused to allow him to leave the plane.

Read more on Vitalii & the UDAR here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitali_Klitschko)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Democratic_Alliance_for_Reform (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Democratic_Alliance_for_Reform)

My main problem with this guy and this party is it is basically a populist party out to not ruffle too many feathers but wants to end the corruption and cease being a vassal of Russia.  The latter two are all well and good, but after that the big "uhh, now what?" hits.

Sadly, I am not convinced Ukraine has the right people in place to give it real free and independent freedom...which the people obviously long for.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 10, 2013, 02:10:25 PM
A few years back I went on a couple of dates with a Ukrainian girl.  She made sure everyone knew the language she spoke is Ukrainian, not Russian. Definitely no love lost for Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2013, 07:11:56 AM
A few years back I went on a couple of dates with a Ukrainian girl.  She made sure everyone knew the language she spoke is Ukrainian, not Russian. Definitely no love lost for Russia.

Used to be in contact with some folks over there, helped me trace back my fathers line about as far as I could go, two world wars and countless other skirmishes really made recordkeeping a mess in that neck of the world.  Hope they are OK, haven't heard from them in years.  But the attitiude you describe is embedded, and I think the Soviet Occupation only intensified that.  Also, they get peeved over the proper way to refer to their nation - it is Ukraine, not "the Ukraine"...you don't say "the Russia" do you?!

It's tragic that a people so dominated and abused by Russia still has elements willing to subjugate themselves just for a little power of being the top dog in a lower tier pound!

The Russian Bear wants to keep Ukraine stuggling, poor and well under its heel...and this asswipe Yanukovich will do whatever Vlad says! 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/ukraine-escalates-police-storm-protest-camp (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/ukraine-escalates-police-storm-protest-camp)

States in this area should have built a confederacy years ago to check both Russia and the EU, none of them will ever be independent and free until that happens...so I expect nothing but more of the same and endless misery for the people in the region.

Makes me sick.  It didn't have to be this way!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2014, 11:40:54 AM
These poor people are so screwed.  Wish they would have a true independence movement and tell both EU-loving faction and Rooskie-loving factions to FOAD but alas that seems improbable.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/ukrainian-currency-plunges-justice-minister-set-call-state-emergency (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-27/ukrainian-currency-plunges-justice-minister-set-call-state-emergency)

A state of emergency declaration would really trash their currency and more importantly guarantee it will be BITS for some time...could even be the pretext for a regional bully to intervene, even if by proxy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2014, 08:41:45 AM
Why do I get the distinct impression that the Sochi games are going to be eclipsed by unwanted intervention in Ukraine that could end the games before they start?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-30/ukraine-stocks-plunge-18-month-lows-ex-president-warns-imminent-civil-war (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-30/ukraine-stocks-plunge-18-month-lows-ex-president-warns-imminent-civil-war)

Fricken Vlad better stay the hell out of Ukraine!  These people deserve to chart their own course free of Russian or European interference!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on January 31, 2014, 01:31:21 PM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.

http://moonbattery.com/?p=41853 (http://moonbattery.com/?p=41853)

(http://moonbattery.com/graphics/ukraine-mirror-police.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on January 31, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.


I like that too.

I recently saw pictures of religious men (priests maybe? I don't know what religion is in the Ukraine) standing between the protesters and the enforcement squads.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: oldcoastie6468 on January 31, 2014, 02:55:15 PM
And so goes the world today........  :'(
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: richb on January 31, 2014, 09:48:37 PM
The Soviet Union may have gone down,  but the world is not becoming a freer place. 

There is that saying,  "the new boss,  just like the old boss".    I think it fits the bill well.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 03, 2014, 07:38:55 AM
I like this idea the Ukrainian protesters are using. They're holding up mirrors, forcing the goon squads to look at themselves all decked out like Robocop. I'd like to see it used here.


I like that too.

I recently saw pictures of religious men (priests maybe? I don't know what religion is in the Ukraine) standing between the protesters and the enforcement squads.

The mirror thing is nice.  And as to religion I believe Orthodox of one flavor or another is predominate, but there is a large atheist contingent, no doubt due to decades of Soviet iron-fisted Marxist rule.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2014, 08:29:32 AM
The home of my paternal ancestors looks to be going full BITS and I fear my prediction of a Russian intervention may be increasing exponentially. 

Lviv seems to be becoming the epicenter of the rebellion against the Russian-backed central government.  No surprise, being Lviv is in the western half of the nation geographically as well as in ethnicity and philosophy.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/ukraine-slide-accelerates-ag-office-seized-criminal-files-being-set-fire-us-hold-gov (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/ukraine-slide-accelerates-ag-office-seized-criminal-files-being-set-fire-us-hold-gov)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/how-ukrainian-protesters-attack-armored-personnel-carrier (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-18/how-ukrainian-protesters-attack-armored-personnel-carrier)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-region-declares-independence-sending-dollar-bonds-record-low-russian-ruble-t (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-region-declares-independence-sending-dollar-bonds-record-low-russian-ruble-t)

Weapons cache seized!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-military-reveals-protesters-stole-weapons-cache-guilty-terrorist-acts (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-military-reveals-protesters-stole-weapons-cache-guilty-terrorist-acts)

Russia - stay out and shut up!
EU & US - shut up, let Ukrainian people establish an independent Ukraine free of either of you jackasses!

ETA - Ukraine military given the green light (no doubt endorsed by Vladi!) to use "terrorist" cause as the justification to unleash military force upon its own citizens.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/it-begins-ukraine-army-given-power-use-weapons-civilians-live-feed (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/it-begins-ukraine-army-given-power-use-weapons-civilians-live-feed)

Sick, sad...tragic.  This is oh so wrong.  Pray for the people, and may the murderers not escape judgement!   ::praying::

It's 2014 around the whole globe, not just here...somebody explain to me it just cannot and will not ever happen here?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 19, 2014, 02:25:26 PM
Interestingly enough, I just read a site last night about the secret tunnels under Odessa.  There's something like 2,500 km of catacombs and tunnels under the Odessa area, built over the centuries. Partisans hid in them during WWII and remained a thorn in the German and Romanian side for the duration of the occupation. They could never eradicate them from the tunnels.

So if Ivan wants to throw his weight around on Ukraine, against the desires of the people there, they can make it very unpleasant for a very long time. I'm also now consciously calling it "Ukraine" rather than "the Ukraine".  Putting "the" in front just plays to Russian notions that it is a region of Greater Russia rather than its own independent, sovereign nation.

I wish those people luck. I get wanting to be out from under the Russian thumb, but the way of the EU will just see their sovereignty taken by the globalists instead.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Yeah, it's hairy over there.  Done wore myself out yesterday arguing with Russia-lovers at ZH, they got a lot of morons over there who get a woody over strongman Vladi, and other who just find it convenient to be pro-Russia cause by proxy it gives the stink-finger to our idiot MommaJeans.  People are actually deluded into thinking Ukrainians like Russia.  Maybe the Eastern half that has always been more ethnically and philosophically tied to those mongrels, not so the Western half...the people there like speaking Ukrainian, remember the oppression of the Russians and the Germans, but the Germans were at least outsiders, being treated like second class citizens by fellow Slav's stung deep.  It is like comparing the Russians of St.Petersburg to the rabble in Moscow.  One looks west, the other east.  Same as it ever was.

Now they got this truce.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-government-opposition-truce-announced (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-19/ukraine-government-opposition-truce-announced)

Seriously, I don't know what the opposition has to gain here?  Unless they are using the break to consolidate thier positions and arm up...how do you deal honestly with these coorrupt clowns?  How can you check Russian agents with stacks of cash that are no doubt in-country making sure their people emerge with power and it's business as usual?  How do you trust these thugs?

I would have kept the pressure on, made them go all-in or cave, if they go all-in we could see sympathy swing over to the opposition, if they cave maybe they can purge the deadwood.

This is not over yet.

ETA - Shyt, that didn't take long!

Looks like Putin's bag men got to the corrupt and paid them off, 20 dead peons and just one dead stormtrooper?  Sounds like a planned restart of hostilities on Yanukovych's part, despite what lies that snake spres out his filthy face!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/20/world/europe/ukraine-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

"They were shot directly to their hearts, their brain and to their neck," she said.

Yeah, the opposition started it!  Right!

Orders from Moscow - Crush them!

Now, death toll up to 51, 39 civilians and 12 goons.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140220 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/20/us-ukraine-idUSBREA1G0OU20140220)

I hope the opposition provisioned well during the break!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
Yeah Infowars has been in that reflexive pro-Russia mode regarding the situation in Ukraine. They're similar to the ZeroHedge crowd in that regard. I guess it's a PaulBot thing.

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2014, 11:02:18 AM
There was a posting baout Ron Paul today saying both US/EU and Russia need to butt out.  That last part gets lost in the din of basking in the glory of the strong anti-US/anti-EU my-shyt-dont-stink leader-without-peer sitting in the Kremlin.  I'll remind them of their apostasy against St Ronald the Just when the Russians intervene in a direct manner.

Interesting, the ZH site getting a lot of hits today, and it went down here a bit ago for several minutes.  I guess it could have been anyone up to no good!

ETA - EU imposes sanctions.  The Zeroheaders who love Putin (there just has to be a narcotic in his sperm!) still cannot get it through their thick skulls that Rooskies should not be there meddling either...even when you throw RP's words at them, they just refuse to get over their Rooskie-worship.  Fricken bizzare!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/european-union-commits-sanctions-against-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-20/european-union-commits-sanctions-against-ukraine)

Hearing rumors that high level rats in the Yanukovych regime are fleeing.  Could be the Russian game is to buy a new nest of rats to replace the old ones, hold elections and hope the stupid anti-Russian opposition types don't notice and maybe the ones that do notice disappear mysteriously.  SOS!  Same Old Shyt!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on February 20, 2014, 04:04:21 PM
Van der Leun's headline ... (http://americandigest.org/)

"Consequences, Schmonsequences: Gelding In Chief Reminds World He Has a 2-Inch Penis"

 ::laughonfloor::

Quote
“There will be consequences if people step over the line,” Obama said shortly after landing in Mexico for a summit with the leaders of Mexico and Canada, as fires burned in central Kiev. Obama threatens consequences for Ukraine violence Yeah, right. Next.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Photos at  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26257542 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26257542)  -- also courtesy of Van der Leun's link.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 20, 2014, 04:35:05 PM
Quote
“There will be consequences if people step over the line,” Obama said


LOL.  Yes.  Might that be a red line?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2014, 08:48:11 AM
Jeez.  Tell that asshole to just shut the frak up!  Everytime that idiot speaks Vladi gets a woody and things will go from crap to worse in Ukraine.  Somebody gag that imbecile!

And check out this article...either Yanukovych is lying his ass off about police (highly likely) or being cute with the facts (and it is military snipers of his own or on loan from Vladi) that are doing the sniping!

Standing yards away from the bodies, Olga Bogomolets, one of Ukraine's leading doctors, told The Independent that they had been hit by police sniper bullets in the head, heart, lungs and neck.

Police, she said, had prevented doctors from treating the injured immediately. "We may have been able to save the lives of some of them."

Dressed all in black, their faces hidden behind balaclavas, men in police uniform were seen firing shots into the crowds that flooded the streets around the protest camp at Independence Square, also known as the Maidan. From fortified positions on the ground and on the roofs of buildings, some appeared to take time to line up their targets. Others fired indiscriminately, taking shots at groups of men recoiling under metal shields. Teams of protesters and volunteer medics carried the injured away on planks of wood.

Some of the anti-government protesters had come to the Maidan wielding clubs, axes and guns to face off against the country's feared elite police units known as the "Berkut". Radical protesters, including members of far-right groups, have been active in the violence.

But others – the students, the young professionals, the " babushkas" (grandmothers), who had begun their protests peacefully in November – are now gathering rocks to use as ammunition for the men at the towering barricades that defend the protest camp. As fighting continued on the square, a group of six elderly women worked under the cover of a bus stop to prepare Molotov cocktails.

"This is extremism," one of the women said, refusing to give her name. "Our president has driven us to this. No more cooking in the kitchen for us. Now we make these."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-fresh-clashes-break-out-despite-president-viktor-yanukovychs-truce-with-opposition-9140428.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-fresh-clashes-break-out-despite-president-viktor-yanukovychs-truce-with-opposition-9140428.html)

You know, when the old ladies, the ones who remember what Soviet subjugation and repression looked like, start making bombs in their kitchens ...your nations leaders are in for a long hard fight.

May God be with the free people of Ukraine.   ::praying::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2014, 10:32:29 AM
All well and good...but, where did all the state thugs go?  What are they up to?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670)

I got that chickens walking into the slaughterhouse kinda vibe coming on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2014, 01:29:11 PM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev.  I still want to know where the former went.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26299670)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/22/ukraine-protests-kiev-president/5723135/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/22/ukraine-protests-kiev-president/5723135/)

Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 23, 2014, 08:40:55 PM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev. I still want to know where the former went.


Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.

I'm going to take a WAG and say Mother Russia for asylum.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2014, 08:02:30 AM
More on authorities clearing out and opposition taking control in Kiev. I still want to know where the former went.


Parliament trying to remove the defiant President. 

Sure wish that sentiment would spread over here.

I'm going to take a WAG and say Mother Russia for asylum.


I think you are right.

Check this out -

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-ushers-era-president-39-whereabouts-unknown-111638516.html;_ylt=AwrSyCXkfApTHFoAUjjQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-ushers-era-president-39-whereabouts-unknown-111638516.html;_ylt=AwrSyCXkfApTHFoAUjjQtDMD)

Yanukovych pulled a Claude Raines, Parliament wants him tried for mass murder, the snipers are likely back in Russia or on Russian flagged naval vessels, police and other rats flushed out of Kiev and the western half are probably holed up in the eastern half.

EU trying to buy in via bailout...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-23/eu-offers-conditional-aid-ukraines-catastrophic-pre-default-economic-state (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-23/eu-offers-conditional-aid-ukraines-catastrophic-pre-default-economic-state)
....Russia will be po'd over that.  More on that below.

Good map on that ZH link -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/02-overflow/20140223_ukr_0.png)

And now pro-Russian people are actiing up, disparate groups across the spectrum are popping up and making demands and elements in the military are saying they are pro-opposition (kinda vague!), it's a real mess.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-we-can-break-protesters-legs-no-one-will-punish-us-the-law-is-on-our-side-9147903.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-uprising-we-can-break-protesters-legs-no-one-will-punish-us-the-law-is-on-our-side-9147903.html)

The damned Russians are going to fukc this all up!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/russia-awakes-says-ukraine-poses-real-threat-our-interests-citizens-doubts-legitimac (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-24/russia-awakes-says-ukraine-poses-real-threat-our-interests-citizens-doubts-legitimac)

The ONLY peaceful way out of this is a negotiated partition of Ukraine into East and West.  And to keep the Russians from having a complete shytfit they will have to have the Pro-Russian East have the Crimea, and then the rest should be split right down the Dnieper river.  But Russia will not accept even that, so they'll eventually take by force...as usual.  My advice to people in the nation who do not want to be subjugated by Russia or her proxies...GTFO!  GTFO now before it is too late!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2014, 07:33:23 AM
“If you consider Kalashnikov-toting people in black masks who are roaming Kiev to be the government, then it will be hard for us to work with that government,” Mr Medvedev told the state-run RIA news agency. “Some of our foreign partners think differently.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-calls-countrys-new-rulers-guntoting-mutineers-and-says-it-will-not-work-with-them-9150379.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-calls-countrys-new-rulers-guntoting-mutineers-and-says-it-will-not-work-with-them-9150379.html)

Umm, gosh...Mr. Medvedev, when it's jiahdis in the streets of Bumfukcistan protesting against America you somehow arrive at a different conclusion.  Do you have problems recognizing freedom fighters?

What a dick!

Russia is showing all the signs of intervening and making this a bloodbath!

Pricks!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2014, 11:12:34 AM
Well that should make the ZeroHedge and Infowars crowd happy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2014, 11:52:34 AM
Yeah.

Oh, and this is quite telling!

Ukrainian Citizens Demand Their Own Second Amendment in Constitution
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/ukrainian-citizens-demand-their-own-second-amendment-in-constitution/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/02/ukrainian-citizens-demand-their-own-second-amendment-in-constitution/)

Huh...I wonder why people would want that right?

Maybe Leftists here can help us answer that one, eh?

Hey Obama?  Biden?  Pelosi?  Schumer?  Reid?  Wanna clear this up for us?  Why in God's Earth would people want to have our Second Amendment rights?  You got a clue?  Any?

Hello?

Hello?

(Crickets)




Yeah...you all know why! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 25, 2014, 03:14:15 PM
Yeah that's probably a demand people might think of when they've spent the last several weeks watching police snipers in balaclavas killing civilians. So with that demand, is the ZH/IW/Paulbot crowd going to stick with the "protest manufactured by Soros and globalist bankers" line?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 26, 2014, 12:47:52 AM
http://zbroya.info/uk/blog/2675_vlasniki-zbroyi-vimagaiut-zmin-do-konstitutsiyi/ (http://zbroya.info/uk/blog/2675_vlasniki-zbroyi-vimagaiut-zmin-do-konstitutsiyi/)

From Google Translate

Quote
3) amend Article 27, paragraph four as follows:
"Everyone has the right to freedom of owning a firearm to protect their life and health, housing and property, life and health of other people's constitutional rights and freedoms in the case of usurpation of power , the encroachments on the constitutional order , sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine . Exercising the right to free possession of firearms is governed by applicable law and may be limited only by the court on the individual. "

I sure hope those people find some peace soon. ::praying::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2014, 07:09:35 AM
Me too Alan.  Right now it sounds like the Russian's are staged along the western border with Ukraine, waiting for now, both they and the EU are trying to negotiate, not sure how that works when one party says it won't negotiate with people toting AK's...ironic on so many levels.

I think they are buying time, making it look like they are trying to find a peaceful resolution to this before being "asked" by people in Ukraine (wink wink) to intervene.

I hear too that the Crimea where the Russian Black Sea Fleet is based is split right now, most are either ethnic Russians there or pro-Russian Ukranians, and that they both want ties to Russia and not a break up of the nation.  They cannot have the former without the latter.

What a sad mess.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2014, 07:03:29 AM
This is just insane...

First, Yanukovych spouts off from exile somewhere in Russia...rumored to be in Moscow area...calls others "illigitimate"...

And then gun-toting "pro-Russian" (or is it just "Russian") goons seize Regional capitol of Crimea and raise the...Russian flag...

I'd say this is all poised to go sideways and get real fugly.

And Yanukovych fleeing to Russia and not Europe or a neutral nation is solid confirmation of who his master really is, eh?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/27/ukraine-yanukovych-whereabouts/5857331/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/02/27/ukraine-yanukovych-whereabouts/5857331/)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-idUSBREA1P23U20140227 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/27/us-ukraine-crisis-crimea-idUSBREA1P23U20140227)

All we need now is for Team Obama to screw this up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on February 27, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
The Slavic peoples seem to be very adept at killing each other, hold grudges against each other for a long ass time, and require little provocation for them to flare up.

Yeah, this is probably going to get pretty ugly.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on February 28, 2014, 06:25:30 AM
The Slavic peoples seem to be very adept at killing each other, hold grudges against each other for a long ass time, and require little provocation for them to flare up.

Yeah, this is probably going to get pretty ugly.

The Slavic folks are as bad as Arabs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2014, 07:10:38 AM
De facto Russian incursion and takeover of the Crimea, there can be no doubt.  All under the pretext of a grotesquely broad reinterpretation of the Black Sea Fleet basing agreement.

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/avakov-says-two-crimean-airports-taken-over-by-russian-army-337863.html (http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/avakov-says-two-crimean-airports-taken-over-by-russian-army-337863.html)

Whatever happens...I hope Putin and his faction in Russia all burn for this.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 01, 2014, 02:39:01 PM
Obongo is abdicating, Hegel's intent on emasculating, Kerry's appeasing.  A power vacuum will be filled.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 01, 2014, 05:19:32 PM
(http://americandigest.org/aarusiantanks.jpg)

See http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php)
and http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2014, 01:06:16 PM
Yup.  They've sealed up Ukrainian Marines at their base, the idiot heading Ukraine Navy announces the day after his appointment his allegience is switching to Pro-Russia elements, ...

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-navy-chief-switches-allegiance-crimea-pro-russia-172726132.html;_ylt=AwrBJSDxahNTSBEA4VXQtDMD (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-navy-chief-switches-allegiance-crimea-pro-russia-172726132.html;_ylt=AwrBJSDxahNTSBEA4VXQtDMD)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669826/Ukraine-Putins-Crimea-aim-is-to-make-the-West-look-weak.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669826/Ukraine-Putins-Crimea-aim-is-to-make-the-West-look-weak.html)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-moscow-catches-the-world-off-guard-9162832.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-crisis-moscow-catches-the-world-off-guard-9162832.html)

Putin may think he has the upper hand and he could be right, he can militarily dominate Ukraine, but for him to think it won't come with losses is stupid.

And so far this call is both correct and dangerous - “I think Putin is playing chess, and I think we’re playing marbles. It’s not even close,” the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), said on “Fox News Sunday.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/199647-putin-running-circles-around-us-rogers-says#ixzz2upinsr5Y (http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/199647-putin-running-circles-around-us-rogers-says#ixzz2upinsr5Y)

Team Obama should keep low profile, but they won't, they'll fukc this up every way possible, and egging them on will only encourage them. 

What should be done will not be done, because people have grown stupid and lazy.  And Putin may be right that the West is weak and this proves it, but he is wrong in that they don't have to be.  Putin is constrained to operating nothing more than a conventional military operation in Ukraine, he cannot go WMD on them or the West should they intervene conventionally...Gazprom masters cannot sell energy to dead people.  So the answer is not necessarily full conventional confrontation, it should be an insurgency-style operation...the Pro-Western elements in Ukraine should call for specific NATO help, air drop ammo, medicine and food and personnel to secure key positions throughout the nation, basically a human shield approach that makes Russian incursion painful, sacrifice some to lure them in and then launch counter-attacks combined with sabotage and assassination operations.  They want blood, most if it should be theirs.  Going in heavy would be stupid and turn the place into a meat grinder...which no doubt the ODumbass Regime will opt for, that or doing nothing and ceding hegemony to Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 02, 2014, 10:43:43 PM
(http://americandigest.org/aarusiantanks.jpg)

See http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/russian_invasion_of_the_c.php)
and http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php (http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/iwar/incoming_3.php)


Those aren't tanks, that's self-propelled artillery. What are they expecting?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2014, 06:52:29 AM
Yes, artillery of that sort is only good for two things - levelling buildings and conventional bunkers and the like and eliminating personnel, typically the opening act culminating in a full ground assault.

I'd say that is an indicator that offensive action is being considered if not already planned.

There were reports that the Ukrainian Air Base in Crimea was secured by Russian forces using stun grenades.

VVAW loser Jean F'n Kerry to visit Kiev, blather about sanctions and political solutions...I hope the Ukrainian's throw him out on his ass!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/us-official-claims-6000-russian-troops-complete-control-crimea-crisis-map-update)

And, this article by Stockman exemplifies the stupidity of Zerohedge when they deviate from economic issues to anything concerning foreign policy. 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/memo-obama-was-their-red-line (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-02/memo-obama-was-their-red-line)

I might want to listen to Stockman when he outlines the folly of our fiscal and monetary policies...but writing an article that sounds so pleasantly isolationist may appear reasonable on its face but beneath it is the blank check the Russians want to commit any atrocity for the sake of securing territory and forcing people to pay Gazprom monopoly prices just to survive.  When you try to flip this to mean the US by sake of proximity, history and Manifest Destiny we can deal with our neighbors (like Cuba for example) in like fashion they go all Code Pink on you.  Their hypocrisy offends me deeply, they are no better than Joe Kennedy and his band and Nazi sympathizers!

Oh, and this - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/ukraine-accuses-russian-fighter-jets-violating-its-airspace (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/ukraine-accuses-russian-fighter-jets-violating-its-airspace)

Just lay there and take it, you are meant to be Russia's bitch...any response by the West to support Ukrainian freedom is pre-ordained by the geniuses at ZeroHedge to be provacative and can lead to nothing but world war and anihilation.  Yes, to these geniuses Gazprom can sell to the dead, long live Gazprom!  Long live Russia!

 ::facepalm::

Idiots!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2014, 11:52:21 AM
Ukrainians now filing treason charges against the traitor Admiral who defected to Russia.  Not that it matters.  Should just shoot him via sniper.

http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine (http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine)

Putin issues ultimatum to Ukrainian forces in Crimea, threatens "military storm".  Awesome, they are even sounding like they are recycling Soviet rhetoric.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html)

I guess Obama and Biden look like shytheads now for ridiculing Palin and Romney for calling Russia a significant foe now, don't they?  Huh?  What?  Oh, the media not mentioning that, eh?  Well sure, can't make Duh Wun and his trusty skidplate appear buffoonish (aka themselves) now, can they?

And once again this has to be the final staw in NATO's back...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10671729/Nato-warns-that-Russia-is-risking-Europes-peace-and-security.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10671729/Nato-warns-that-Russia-is-risking-Europes-peace-and-security.html)

...they are as useless as John "Ghengis" Kerry.

 ::mooning::

Putin plays chess, Europe plays twister and Obama plays pocket-pool...

Yeah, this will end horribly...

ETA - Russia denies ultimatum...I guess we'll know for sure soon enough...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russia-denies-it-has-given-ukraine-ultimatum-calls-it-utter-nonsense (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-03/russia-denies-it-has-given-ukraine-ultimatum-calls-it-utter-nonsense)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 03, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
 Snagged this at the Grouchies  H/T Bonz

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Crimea_River_Obama_Album.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on March 04, 2014, 05:52:44 AM
 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2014, 07:01:15 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html)

Ultimatums continue to fly...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10674512/Kremlin-issues-ultimatums-to-Ukrainian-forces.html)

And Gazprom masters threaten to go all-in...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/it-begins-gazprom-warns-european-gas-supply-disruptions-possible (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/it-begins-gazprom-warns-european-gas-supply-disruptions-possible)

I think it is time to call their bluff.  If they think they can extort their way into acquiring a puppet state then let them try.  Perhaps this should all just end in blood and misery for everyone in the region.  Some lessons just cannot be learned the easy way.  Letting a bully get away with his abuse makes you the problem, not him.  The bully has never really changed, he may have donned new clothes and adopted new camoflauge, but the core of the bully remains.  You either bloody him or you take your beating and enjoy every second of it.

But let them fire the first shot.  Those Ukranian sailors on these ships and the soldiers at their bases should be taunting and mooning these goons...they should be playing music the Russians hate through loud speakers all night and day to keep them from sleeping comfortably...they should be shooting flares and starburst in the air just to let them know they are there and waiting...

Forget the US, the Obama Regime is about as useful as the UN, which is to say they aren't worth a rats ass...forget the EU, if they like being extorted, then let them buy the Russians off...otherwise the Ukrainians should tell them to fukc off too.  It may just fall to them to suffer the price for revealing a bully to the rest of the useless world...and hopefully they make the bully bleed enough to make it easier for the next intended victim to resist.

ETA -

Meanwhile...

Turkey gettin' itchy about Rooskie recon flights...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/turkey-scrambled-8-f-16-fighter-jets-track-russian-plane (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/turkey-scrambled-8-f-16-fighter-jets-track-russian-plane)

Rooskie ships blocking the Kerch Straight...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/celebrate-detente-russian-navy-blocks-channel-between-crimea-and-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/celebrate-detente-russian-navy-blocks-channel-between-crimea-and-russia)

OK, now that is begging for a Maine-splosion!

And more ships of the move, two Rooskie and one Ukrainian...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukrainian-russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-enter-black-sea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukrainian-russian-warships-cross-bosphorus-enter-black-sea)

Last one floating wins.

And yet more spewing from Moscow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-treasurys-abandoning-dollar-if-us-proceeds-sancti (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/putin-advisor-threatens-dumping-us-treasurys-abandoning-dollar-if-us-proceeds-sancti)

What a tool.  Go ahead, dump our bonds, you'd be doing us a favor!  But umm, y'all might want to check with your Gazprom masters before doing anything...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 04, 2014, 01:28:18 PM
One point raised at Western Rifle Shooters is that you might want to buy any cheap Russian ammo while it's still available. If you have a 5.45 or 7.62x39 to feed, most of that ammo comes from either Russia or Ukraine. The Obama Regime might cynically use this situation as an opportunity to ban imports of Russian ammo, sort of like Clinton did with Chinese imports in the 90s.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 06:46:33 AM
Good call, wouldn't surprise me at all.

Oh, and on Europe's energy front, more background info shedding light on the Russia-Ukraine conflict...to say Gazprom is not concerned is a gross understatement.  Even Putin answers to somebody(s)!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukraine-follow-energy (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-04/ukraine-follow-energy)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 11:50:31 AM
Putin to reporter on what might happen if Ukraine is invaded...

Rough translation: “If we attack we will put their women and children in front of us and I’ll look on as they shoot their own children and women”

http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/ (http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/)

Sounds like an ex-KGB unrepentant totalitarian despot to me.  What y'all hear?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 01:35:00 PM
Putin to reporter on what might happen if Ukraine is invaded...

Rough translation: “If we attack we will put their women and children in front of us and I’ll look on as they shoot their own children and women”

http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/ (http://weaselzippers.us/178284-vladimir-putin-tells-reporter-if-russia-attacks-it-will-use-ukrainian-women-and-children-as-shields/)

Sounds like an ex-KGB unrepentant totalitarian despot to me.  What y'all hear?

Taliban/al qaida.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2014, 02:23:39 PM
I would also accept "Palestinian", but yeah, just another sub-group of Muzzloidius Suckdemonus.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 07:42:13 PM
  H/T Evon(I know I know) fair is fair.

(https://scontent-a-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/1653622_10152341968077650_1813201862_n.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 07:44:31 PM
Don't matter.  It is what it is, JF.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 07:46:28 PM
Don't matter.  It is what it is, JF.

 Still tastes bad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 05, 2014, 07:50:08 PM
Spit it out and move on.  Or just don't do it to begin with.

Glad to "see" you 'round the place, btw.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 05, 2014, 09:51:42 PM
  Just had a little more time lately.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2014, 07:52:51 AM
I like this.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/rt-anchor-turns-down-offer-report-crimea-resigns-protest-biased-coverage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-05/rt-anchor-turns-down-offer-report-crimea-resigns-protest-biased-coverage)

Too bad our own jurnolistas are too corrupted by progressive ideology and too beholden to their cult leaders to perform similar random acts of common sense...


And here we go...I've been saying a partition might be the way to go, but this is more of a annexation ala Hitler marching his troops into the Sudetenland than a peaceful diplomatic understanding...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-parliament-accelerates-crisis-votes-join-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/crimea-parliament-accelerates-crisis-votes-join-russia)

Two rather stark bits of irony here...

1) I guess ol' Putin finds it OK to accept some gun-toting boots-on-the-ground scary thugs to secure one hunk of territory and call it legitimate (Crimea) while another (Kiev) is totally illegitimate even though the latter at least has a Parliament behind its actions...what does Putin have...just guys with weapons on territory historically never theirs in the first place?

2) How is "creating facts on the ground" in Crimea with these armed goons not several orders of magnitude worse than anything Israel has ever done in Judea that they and the rest of the tools at the UN accuse them of doing to the poor AK-47-toting Palestinians?

Oh, and once again, I want to harp on the utter uselessness of NATO!  Talk about asleep at the switch!  But both they and Russia are violating the December 5th 1994 Budapest Memorandum (aka Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons):


The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,
 
Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as a non-nuclear-weapon State,
 
Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,
 
Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.
 
Confirm the following:
 
1.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.
 
2.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.
 
3.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.
 
4.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.
 
5.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.
 
6.The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.

This Memorandum will become applicable upon signature.
 
Signed in four copies having equal validity in the English, Russian and Ukrainian languages.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Ukraine._Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)

It is obvious the Russians have been violating the economic coercion and territorial integrity clauses and that the US and Britain (basically NATO) are violating the pledge to Ukraine for the integrity of their borders and ensuring the sovereignty of their nation.  One might quibble that there was an unspoken expiration date for said support, but seeing as that since the Soviet Union disintigrated Russia under Putin has been nothing but trying to regain her former size by proxy, so the agreement in a practical sense still looks to be in play.

God I loath feckless politicans and diplomats...what useless dreck!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2014, 11:48:15 AM
Oh, and once again for the record...Kissinger is a pompous ass and his stupid plan will mean a defacto annexation of Crimea by Russia.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/henry-kissinger-to-settle-the-ukraine-crisis-start-at-the-end/2014/03/05/46dad868-a496-11e3-8466-d34c451760b9_story.html)

Up yours, Henry!   ::effu::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 06, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
Isn't it funny (we'll stick with that word for now) how these bastards presume to negotiate the disposition of things that aren't theirs to negotiate?  Diplomats and foreign policy wonks deciding to carve up other countries, or legislators and presidents negotiating other people's property and rights.

All of this precedes from a fundamental assumption that everything is theirs to begin with -- and that's exactly how government operates, like it's all theirs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 06, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
Putin is keeping it and nour idiot in chief can't do on sh*ttin thing about it.He said he would change orld opinion and here it is.Were a laughing stock for every two bit dictator on the planet. How proud the lefties must be.

          ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 06, 2014, 07:27:04 PM
(http://moonbattery.com/graphics/crimea-river.jpg)


H/T: Moonbattery
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2014, 07:27:40 AM
Yes, and Vladi is popular now that the war drums are beating to the tune of the recycled Soviet Gosudarstvenny Gimn Rossiyskoy Federatsii!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/mission-accomplished-putins-approval-rating-hits-2-year-highs (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/mission-accomplished-putins-approval-rating-hits-2-year-highs)

Oh, and the Markov plan is almost the same as the Kissinger plan, so Sergei can outside with Henry and play hide and go screw themselves!

 ::mooning::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/russian-perspective-there-will-be-war-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-06/russian-perspective-there-will-be-war-ukraine)

It appears there will be war....Russia just needs to create the right false flag moment, and it appears the obvious choice would be at one of the Ukrainian bases surrounded by Rooskies.  All they have to do is infiltrate and fire on their own troops over the wire and they'll have the fine little war Vlad has been jonesing for.

And all that blood can be laid right at the doorstep of the US and Europe as well as Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 07, 2014, 08:38:00 PM
(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Ukraine_Maidan_Gadsden_Flag_1.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AmericanPatriot on March 08, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
To celebrate WWIII:
http://youtu.be/YDFqoReof6A]
[url]http://youtu.be/YDFqoReof6A (http://[url)[/url]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 08, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
I had been reading of the recent events in the Ukraine and Crimea and after a bit realized that I ha subconsciously added a soundtrack. Then yesterday someone on the freepers posted this:

Al Stewart - Roads To Moscow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ZG6tRGMYk#)

That (or parts of it at least) was what I had been hearing in my head.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2014, 07:18:11 AM
(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Ukraine_Maidan_Gadsden_Flag_1.jpg)

Now, that is a thing of beauty!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2014, 07:43:42 AM
Digging in and looking like they are not going anywhere.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/ukrainian-drone-captures-video-russian-troops-fortifying-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/ukrainian-drone-captures-video-russian-troops-fortifying-crimea)

This has always been about gas and full control of the Black Sea.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/does-russia-need-sell-gas-more-eu-needs-buy-it (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-09/does-russia-need-sell-gas-more-eu-needs-buy-it)

I think it is time for Gazprom to experience some fatal supply disruptions on the Russian side of the border! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2014, 07:47:50 AM
The assimilation of Crimea into the Russian Federation (spit!) continues unabated.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/diplomacy-fails-ukraine-putin-rebuffs-kerry-proposal-kiev-issues-ultimatum-crimea-su (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/diplomacy-fails-ukraine-putin-rebuffs-kerry-proposal-kiev-issues-ultimatum-crimea-su)

Big surprise Putin giving Obama & Kerry the finger...I bet they didn't see it coming!

ETA - The deed is almost done, the American response is pathetic and weak...we have become Europe, and like them any agreement we sign isn't going to be worth a damn!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/red-line-crossing-ukraine-effectively-gifts-crimea-russia-says-will-not-intervene-mi (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-11/red-line-crossing-ukraine-effectively-gifts-crimea-russia-says-will-not-intervene-mi)

Congratulations Barrack Hussein Obama and the Democrat Party, you have successfully reduced America to your ideal of being "no different" than any other shythole nation on the planet!  American Exceptionalism is dead, long live American Beta's!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 12, 2014, 06:40:17 PM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 07:03:21 AM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!

He is playing the Shepherd game with Reggie...of course 'Bammy is the sheep.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 07:06:47 AM
Guess who is going to Ukraine?

If you guessed J-Mac you win...no actually, we all lose, especially Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-12/john-mccain-going-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-12/john-mccain-going-ukraine)

They should ask him not to come, having that Doofus Kerry in the region was bad enough, another washed up brainless idiot they don't need...

Except...   ::thinking::

Maybe if one of these washed up brainless idiots got snuffed by a Russian...

 ::thinking::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 13, 2014, 08:45:52 AM
   Where is our dear leader??   WHY GOLFING OF COURSE!!!

well after convincing the Ukraine to give up its weapons (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/flashback-obama-pushed-ukraine-to-destroy-15000-tons-of-ammo-400000-firearms-and-1000-anti-aircraft-missiles-left-them-defenseless/) maybe he figures no one will listen to him there.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 13, 2014, 08:52:41 AM

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.

Yep, that is the biggest problem with info wars-- every square peg has to fit the round hold of Global NWO conspiracy theory. The facts are often right, but the result of their bias is that the analysis is often wrong.  Rather bolsters the idea that Alex Jones and Infowars are a govt  psy-op who try to push people noticing the facts  in the wrong direction and make  them look like loons.  Given the late pro- Russian  slant however, maybe both Zerohedge and Infowars are Russian funded Psy-ops of the more traditional cold-war sort - trying to undermine and cause problems for the dominant culture and ruler-ship.. is just that the culture they have to strike at now is the American  counter-culture they helped create in the 60s..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2014, 11:22:58 AM

There's a lot of truth in the stuff you get from Infowars, ZH, and the like, but it's like come on you tards -- not everything has to dovetail neatly into the Global Bankster Hegemony concept.

Yep, that is the biggest problem with info wars-- every square peg has to fit the round hold of Global NWO conspiracy theory. The facts are often right, but the result of their bias is that the analysis is often wrong.  Rather bolsters the idea that Alex Jones and Infowars are a govt  psy-op who try to push people noticing the facts  in the wrong direction and make  them look like loons.  Given the late pro- Russian  slant however, maybe both Zerohedge and Infowars are Russian funded Psy-ops of the more traditional cold-war sort - trying to undermine and cause problems for the dominant culture and ruler-ship.. is just that the culture they have to strike at now is the American  counter-culture they helped create in the 60s..

Seem to apply to ZH more, but yeah.  Stick with their stengths/truths, discard the noise.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 06:42:59 AM
Speaking of which...here we go...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/ron-paul-putins-crimea-invasion-has-law-its-side (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/ron-paul-putins-crimea-invasion-has-law-its-side)

This is where St. Ron and the ZH crowd go completely off the reservation into the ditch and up the other side and back over again and act like their shyt don't reek like shyt.

Yeah, Putin is "no angel" but he is the angel of a legion of brain-dead cult-of-Ron clowns we call PaulBots and it is things like this make me wonder if Paul isn't a former KGB deep legend planted to cause havoc in America...and after the Soviet Union collapsed he stayed on to do the same for Mother Russia.  Making arguments one way thenn another is a tactic Paul and his minions excel at, and they like libiots go nuclear with the personal attacks if you call them out on it and show the obvious hypocrisy of their Dear Leader.  Note that this pious price doesn't even discuss the fact that the Russians have been using energy as an economic weapon in direct violation of the Budapest Memorandum, so what came first Paulie, the Russian extortion or Putin's so-called coup against his puppet?

What a snivelling little prick!

And this loser, tired of his misinformation!  Independent neutral state!  Pah!  Not as long as Russia lives!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/russian-explains-real-stakes-fight-crimea-and-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/russian-explains-real-stakes-fight-crimea-and-ukraine)

Useless tool!

Another moron, failiing to see such actions would in fact result in Cold War 2.0.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/5-ways-russias-ukraine-boomerang-could-strike (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/5-ways-russias-ukraine-boomerang-could-strike)

ZeroHedge is going all-in on the Go-Russia/Fukc US & EU bandwagon.

Look, they even want to help spread the propaganda of where all those scary Rooskie troops and war machines are at, poised to pounce should the foolish West fail to accept Russian hegemony across the central European region! 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/where-russian-troops-are-full-pre-takeover-infographic (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-13/where-russian-troops-are-full-pre-takeover-infographic)

Bow before Prince Vladi!  Not a bad gambit though, there is that bowing clownboxer schlepping around a big white mansion...

 ::facepalm::

Yup, safe to say though, while they may get many things right on economic issues (like pointing out those flaws takes any talent or will ever be lacking material)...but in everything else they are a wholly-owned subsidiary of the FSB.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 14, 2014, 09:05:21 AM
There is a Disqus poster who regularly haunts Breitbart and Politico that goes by the name Tyler Durden. He uniformly takes the leftist line in any discussion. I've scrapped with him several times and he reliably folds like a cheap suit. Mostly his schtick is leftist hair-splitting.

I wonder if he's the same klown?

I've also noticed a tread to compare putin favorably to Øbozo. The left has noticed it too and lefties are now frequently imputing that sense (being right-wing=putin worship) to all of us.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 01:43:50 PM
Can't be the same dude, the Tyler at ZH wouldn't fold, he might not engage a troll and may be bailed out by a loyal follower, and like most PaulBot Libertarian's he see's little difference between Rep/Dem, Red/Blue, they are all the same team...so spouting off nothing but libiot jibberish doesn't sound like him.  The only thing that he and his followers have that cross polinates with libiots is the Code Pink "all war is bad" mindset and the belief that the OWS crowd rocks because they are against the Zionists running Wall Street.  The old anarchist strain of Libertarianism finding comon ground with the proletariat.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 14, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
Tyler Durden is a character in Fight Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight_Club) who is a mental projection of the narrator ( an everyman) - Tyler brings about the destruction of the American Banking system , and so he is sort of the John Galt or anti-corporation/anti-banking types, so don't get surprised if you see that name used by a lot of people.  Zerohedge has Tyler Durdens - plural .  Many of the admins there post under that same Pseudonym.

Fight club is an interesting movie - and I liked it. Not enough to ever see it again, and at the time the anti-corporate message was grating.  Now, knowing that the banks really are that corrupt and really are fully in bed with the powers that be in a fascist arrangement, I suspect I would like it more if I watched it again. That isn't to say that corporations are inherently bad  or that banks are..  just that power corrupts and that Big Government had open up vast new avenues of corruption

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 02:10:25 PM
Yes.  We don not have a MIC, we have a GCCC ("Government Crony-Capitalist Complex)!  Pretty much how Hitler's Germany began to look once all the purges and consolidations were completed...Government and Key Industries hand in hand...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2014, 02:19:47 PM
Looks like Vladi is ready to launch his Ukrainian invasion...fresh off another   ::vafancoul::  to the Gigilo Sec St.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/14/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0)

Seems the Rooskies want blood and lots of it...

If somebody wants out of Ukraine the window of opportunity is fast closing...

This is not going to end well.  Even the Germans are mad, and we know how they got along with Russians last time...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2014, 01:50:43 PM
“I voted for Russia as only Russia can save us from war in the region,” Nadezhda Kolkina, a 64-year-old pensioner
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/crimea-referendum-looms-as-kerry-fails-to-sway-russia.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-15/crimea-referendum-looms-as-kerry-fails-to-sway-russia.html)

Dumbshyt probably voted for Brezhnev and every Rooskie since.  Congrats, you might be a deceased 64 year-old pensioner soon. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2014, 07:29:42 AM
(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/03/20140117_putin3.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/us-vs-russia-3-cartoons (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/us-vs-russia-3-cartoons)

And that pretty much goes hand in hand with this...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/congress-may-impose-sanctions-russia-when-it-comes-back-vacation-march-24 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-16/congress-may-impose-sanctions-russia-when-it-comes-back-vacation-march-24)

Basically - Ukraine is not important to us, agreements we sign are fungible (but so is the Constitution and all laws that follow it, so...) and Europe being closer and more impacted is even more useless and toothless...so, sorry Ukraine, you are royally fukced!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/crimea-names-ruble-currency-applies-join-russia-expects-become-region-russian-federa (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-17/crimea-names-ruble-currency-applies-join-russia-expects-become-region-russian-federa)

If you really want to grab Rooskie attention, one must blow up key Gazprom stations, you are going to get absorbed/invaded anyway, might as well make it hurt as much as possible, and plan for a protracted insurgency for the foreseeable future...everybody who doesn't want to fight or die sh old GTFO of Dodge while they still can.

ETA -

Wow, check this out...Obama/Democrat-Style Voting Results! 

123% Sevastopol turnout! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/what-a-turnout-123-of-sevastopol-crimea-vote-for-merger-with-mother-russia/)

Russia, eff yeah!

And O'Chimpy (a little Blarney there!) can only issue sanctions of a few Rooskie big shots...not Vladi, that would be poor form...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-announces-sanctions-against-7-russian-officials-russian-markets-rally-over-weak-response/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-announces-sanctions-against-7-russian-officials-russian-markets-rally-over-weak-response/)

...what a zero!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 18, 2014, 12:56:39 PM
One point raised at Western Rifle Shooters is that you might want to buy any cheap Russian ammo while it's still available. If you have a 5.45 or 7.62x39 to feed, most of that ammo comes from either Russia or Ukraine. The Obama Regime might cynically use this situation as an opportunity to ban imports of Russian ammo, sort of like Clinton did with Chinese imports in the 90s.


Looks like they are certainly moving in that direction.

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/obama-announces-new-sanctions.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/obama-announces-new-sanctions.html)


Quote
    Remember this? "Why even the most isolationist and unconcerned Fudd should care about the Ukraine -- Poof! There goes the Russian ammo supply." (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-even-most-isolationist-and.html) Several readers sent the following link:

        Monday’s order authorizes Treasury Secretary Jack Lew to work with Secretary of State John Kerry to impose asset freezes and travel restrictions on “any individual or entity that operates in the Russian arms industry, and any designated individual or entity that acts on behalf of, or that provides material or other support to, any senior Russian government official,” the White House said in a statement. (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/russia-sanctions-ukraine-obama-executive-order-104728.html#ixzz2wEGs5dOK)

    One asks: "But will Obama's Russia sanctions executive order mean no more imports of Russian made ammo? It certainly seems within the scope if the order is described accurately. If that's what is does, Mike warned early on it might be coming."

    So far, no. But the game is young.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: AlanS on March 18, 2014, 01:33:58 PM
    One asks: "But will Obama's Russia sanctions executive order mean no more imports of Russian made ammo? It certainly seems within the scope if the order is described accurately. If that's what is does, Mike warned early on it might be coming."

    So far, no. But the game is young.


Not too mention how that would further their agenda. ::outrage::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2014, 02:15:53 PM
This is getting bad.

First fatality, more incursions into eastern Ukraine, rewritting history, Cossacks running wild, Ukraine readying for war.

And all we do is piss in the wind and try to reassure of nations in the region we won't hump them like we are humping Ukraine.

Pathetic.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10704798/Ukraine-crisis-live.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10704798/Ukraine-crisis-live.html)

Speaking of pathetic, here is St. Ron carrying Russian water...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/03/17/crimea-ukraine-russia-ron-paul-editorials-debates/6544163/)

Interesting debate point, condemn Ukraine to servitude and murder and sleep well at night knowing the UN grants self determination and agreements between nation are fungible contracts just like a progressives interpretation of what is legal and is not when imposing a mandate to purchase a thing or eliminating a bondholders claim.  You are just like Obama and Putin, St. Ron.  You all can burn in Hell!

And St. Ron like Emperor Vlad thinks it is OK to act the thug and accuse others of thuggery.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-usa-idUSBREA2H0TE20140318 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/18/us-ukraine-crisis-putin-usa-idUSBREA2H0TE20140318)

Russian exceptionalism = might makes right, and St. Ron approves.

Yes, we have entered the end of the rule of law and are full into the law of despots.

The whole world is about to burn.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 19, 2014, 07:15:02 AM
Since Putin has officially annexed Crimea, Ukraine should nationalize anything owned by any Russian entity or individual.

And if America had a leader who wasn't a Muzzie ass-kissing pansie they would be annexing Cuba right now and flashing the green "Go" sign for Israel to slap Iran around.

Might makes right, bitches!

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-threatens-seize-russian-assets-174529322.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-threatens-seize-russian-assets-174529322.html)

PS-This pathetic performance of the gigolo in Poland yesterday was beyond pathetic and sophomoric...these stupid progressives keep getting their reset button shoved up their butts and still they line up for more...what a bunch of useless fools....

Palin and Romney sure were right about Russia, and now the beta's are totally clueless what to do...freeze a few assets, shut down Putin's Netflix account, cry like a pussy.

Yeah, that'll work...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ChrstnHsbndFthr on March 19, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
We should move military assets...specifically missiles...into all the NATO states in the region to stop the Russian aggression.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 19, 2014, 10:20:25 AM
That is so JFK-like.

Then again, all that resulted in last time was a trade off of missiles in Cuba for missiles Turkey we hailed as a mighty win!

 ::)

And it won't happen under the Dear Leader...he is clueless how to deal with a thug...which yeah, is kinda ironic and funny.

Meanwhile...while Obama plays pitch and (mostly) catch with Reggie...Vladi is confiscating military hardware!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/russia-confiscates-half-of-ukrainian-naval-fleet-in-crimea/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/russia-confiscates-half-of-ukrainian-naval-fleet-in-crimea/)

WTF?!

Should be some mysterious explosions going on!  At least Ukrainians need to scuttle rather than give up without a fight!

Oh, another WTF...where is Germany, those clowns get more Gasprom product than any other EU nation...and Merkel that little Gretel munchkin isn't doing squat...

World done gone insane!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 19, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bh5a1TFCUAA56C2.jpg:medium)

  H/T  Rigpa !!

   A picture worth a million words.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2014, 07:08:18 AM
Who is that butt-buddy clinging onto Vlad like a little...um...sissy...

Oh, nevermind.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2014, 07:15:41 AM
Well, wonder no more, the Gretel munchkin has responded...

No more G8 meetings and more bank account freezing...ooohhh, can you feel the tickle, Vladi?

http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-russia-faces-more-sanctions-g8-suspended-085807123.html (http://news.yahoo.com/merkel-russia-faces-more-sanctions-g8-suspended-085807123.html)

 ::)

Pathetic.

And...

I hate it when I am right...next in the crosshairs, the Baltic states?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/19/us-russia-estonia-idUSBREA2I1J620140319)

Tallinn should find better friends than those that are letting Ukraine be devoured by the Russian Bear! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2014, 07:16:21 AM
Two cruisers seized by masked Rooskie jackasses...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/masked-men-storm-seize-two-ukraine-cruisers-sevastopol. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/masked-men-storm-seize-two-ukraine-cruisers-sevastopol.)

Troops on the eastern border wtach and wait...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/postcards-russia-ukraine-border (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-20/postcards-russia-ukraine-border)

Puddin' signs of on annexation...and Obama yaps to no avail...and the status quo takes hold and secures the land grab of Crimea.

Now all that is left for Obama to secure his place in history as biggest effing loser of all time is to trade one useless deal on Ukraine with another equally useless agreement on Iran whereby Russina and Iran get all they want and Obama takes it where he always takes it and declares victory and peace in our time...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/putin-signs-crimean-absorption-law-asks-have-his-salary-transferred-sanctioned-bank- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-21/putin-signs-crimean-absorption-law-asks-have-his-salary-transferred-sanctioned-bank-)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2014, 02:24:23 PM
I find it ridiculous to think we are past the point where there won't be bloodshed over this...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586765/Breaking-News-Defiant-Ukranian-commander-orders-outnumbered-men-stand-ground-expect-engage-Russian-troops-surrounding-military-base.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586765/Breaking-News-Defiant-Ukranian-commander-orders-outnumbered-men-stand-ground-expect-engage-Russian-troops-surrounding-military-base.html)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
Odessa flash mob "Ode to Joy"!

???? ?????? ?? ???????? ??????? 22.03.2014 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6SAwPD-ss#ws)

 ::hat-tip::  GatewayPundit

 ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2014, 10:57:02 AM
Pretty much what I have been fearing, more infiltration and seizure.

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/21/us-intel-russian-spies-saboteurs-infiltrating-ukraine/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/03/21/us-intel-russian-spies-saboteurs-infiltrating-ukraine/)

And it is all being done unchallenged.

Think Ukrainians will forget who screwed them over?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on March 23, 2014, 03:54:27 PM
I feel sorry for those people in the Ukraine. Many of them are really suffering.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 23, 2014, 05:35:56 PM
  How does our idiot in chief sleep nights?  ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:18:32 AM
  How does our idiot in chief sleep nights?  ::pullhair::

Just fine.  But he never had a soul to start with so it's easy.

Plus...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/another-busy-weekend-president (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/another-busy-weekend-president)

...he's just bushed from all that golfing and cheating...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2014, 07:27:18 AM
I feel sorry for those people in the Ukraine. Many of them are really suffering.

Indeed, and they are by no means out of danger yet.

Putin has eyes on more than just Crimea!  He would like to secure all Gazprom oil/gas lines to the west, and link up with Transnistria.

Disclaimer - I didn't even know something called Transnistria existed before now!)

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_296w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/03/24/Foreign/Graphics/w-ukraine0324.jpg)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-general-warns-of-further-russian-aggression/2014/03/23/2ff63bb6-b269-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nato-general-warns-of-further-russian-aggression/2014/03/23/2ff63bb6-b269-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html)

Ukraine vows they will respond.  And i would not be opposed to air-dropping in arms, ammo, Cammo gear, food and medicine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/ukraine-official-warns-chance-war-russia-growing-mike-rogers-calls-sending-weapons-u (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-23/ukraine-official-warns-chance-war-russia-growing-mike-rogers-calls-sending-weapons-u)

The willing ignorance of O'Bambi and the rest of his progressive band of fools allowed this to get to this point, and now they have their meat in the grinder and think saying please will make any difference.

And I hope the jubilant Russian on the street that is glorying in the brilliance of Prince Vladi soon experience heartache, more than can be caused by this minor inconvenience (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russian-bank-impacted-us-sanctions-hit-mini-bank-run-over-weekend)!

ETA - Crap, if this data is right, it is definitely going to get ugly -

(http://3-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/450x191xrussia-document-ukraine.png.pagespeed.ic.hUSi-4BvYM.jpg)

(http://4-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/501x302xkiev-map.jpg.pagespeed.ic.7aefRlQLFI.jpg)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/leaked-memo-reveals-russias-war-ukrainian-war-plan-includes-kiev/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/leaked-memo-reveals-russias-war-ukrainian-war-plan-includes-kiev/)

Ukraine should be expelling all ethnic Russians now, the ones that choose to stay behind are likely to be active agents of Russia, it might not save them from invasion, but it might reduce the chances of this spinning off into Kosovo-style fugly.  And the Batic States cannot feel very safe, they all better be arming themselves to the teeth and expelling all Russians.

This could really prove to be a World War starter.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2014, 07:15:52 AM
Speaking of war starters...

The extortion is ramping up...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russia-slowly-turning-natgas-tap-europe (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/russia-slowly-turning-natgas-tap-europe)

And nations better start calling up more than a few thousand here and there...if they want to be their own nation anymore that is...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-24/poland-quietly-mobilizing-its-army-reservists)

I say what the Hell, start shootin/ while you got something to shoot.

Say, that advice sounds good just about anywhere...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on March 25, 2014, 03:23:43 PM
Ivan is sporting American/Western weapons in his Crimean adventures.  I guess they figure this, combined with the lack of any insignia, gives them a fig leaf of deniability that they are actually Russian military.


http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/18/russian-troops-ar-10-rifles-crimea (http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/03/18/russian-troops-ar-10-rifles-crimea)


(http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/415x240xar151.jpg.pagespeed.ic.GLkq6o6gbx.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2014, 07:13:07 AM
Oh, and yes...nothing says "I'm not a Spetsnaz commando" like a AR-10 with a fricken suppresor on it!   :o

Next up...the freeze, starve and die ultimatum to Kiev...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/ukraine-only-has-enough-gasoline-month (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-25/ukraine-only-has-enough-gasoline-month)

At this point the Ukrainians might as well begin a sabotage campaign to make the inevitable more painful for these pricks.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2014, 07:34:49 AM
Apparently the Russians suck at hiding their intentions, if the West is saying the buildup continues then one can only conclude the Russians don't give a flying fornication what they see so whatever they do they can be expected to get away with it...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSBREA2P22120140326 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/us-ukraine-crisis-usa-idUSBREA2P22120140326)

...which anybody but a blind monkey can see is almost entirely directed at the utter uselessness and paralysis of the Obama Regime when confronted by an aggressive Cold War operator like Vlad the Nation Inhaler.

"The only thing Putin respects is strength ... At this point the Russians are openly laughing at the president," Cruz, R-Texas, told the Washington Examiner.
 
Cruz added that Putin's aggressiveness was "a direct consequence" of the absence of American leadership in the world.
 
"The weakness and incoherent foreign policy of the Obama administration -- from President Obama, under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and under Secretary [John] Kerry -- has undermined our allies and has strengthened our enemies and put Putin in particular in a far stronger position," Cruz declared.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-the-russians-are-openly-laughing-at-obama/article/2546343 (http://washingtonexaminer.com/ted-cruz-the-russians-are-openly-laughing-at-obama/article/2546343)

Yup.

Embrace the suck.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2014, 07:02:02 AM
Tit for tat...or is tat for tit...

Whatever...

Rooskies to sanction American businesses operating in Russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-27/russia-set-sanction-us-businesses)

Heh, why am I envisioning two one-legged drunks trying to kick each other in the azz?   ::hysterical::

ETA - Obama the Infantile One - Mr. Obama said Russia needs “to move back those troops and to begin negotiations directly with the Ukrainian government, as well as the international community.”...“And it is true that we reject the notion that there is a sphere of influence along the Russian border that then justifies Russia invading other countries. Certainly they’re going to have influence because of trade and tradition and language and heritage with Ukraine. Everybody acknowledges that. But there’s a difference between that and sending in troops, and because you’re bigger and stronger taking a piece of the country – that is not how international law and international norms are observed in the 21st century.“

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-calls-on-putin-to-move-troops-from-ukrainian-border-not-21st-century-behavior/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/obama-calls-on-putin-to-move-troops-from-ukrainian-border-not-21st-century-behavior/)

What a pansy!

Hey assclown, why don't you issue a EO against him?!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2014, 02:31:07 PM
Oh, and I guess 'ol Vlad the Nation Inhaler has more up his sleeve than just securing Gazprom profits and extortioneering for the foreseable future...those 100k troops on the border (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-claims-100-000-russian-troops-near-border-151112283.html) get to give life and limb for Mother Russia and Vlad's string of Crimean Casinos (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10729848/Vladimir-Putin-plans-for-Crimean-casinos.html)!

 ::whoohoo::

Now there's something worth killing and dying for!

 ::)

You can take the corrupt KGB thug out of the KGB...but...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2014, 07:06:54 AM
Interesting read here (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-30/have-we-reached-peak-putin), of course the ZeroHeads interpret this as just more anti-Putinism...and Putin is their favorite dictator after all.  They'd be tickled to see Vlad the Nation Inhaler continue is acquisition strategy.  Funny, how Peak Oil Fanbots are also in love with a dictator running an oligarchy who's largest interest is petroleum, eh?! 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2014, 07:19:40 AM
Farage is right...the EU does have "blood on it's hands" over Ukraine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/nigel-farage-europe-has-blood-its-hands-over-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/nigel-farage-europe-has-blood-its-hands-over-ukraine)

We are seeing how weak the EU really is when it's former policeman (the US) decides to sit one out (not by principled choice backed by principled policies and effectively communicated to EU friends, no, but by incompetence and ignorance...the twin towers of Obama Regime foreign policy!)...and so sad too bad for the Ukrainian people who have to suffer as a result of choosing shytty friends!  (The first shytty friend being Bill Clinton and the agreement that is confirmed to be little better than toilet paper by Team Obama!)

And as far as these BRICS go...you sleep with demons, don't be surprised to wake up in Hell!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/why-did-brics-back-russia-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-31/why-did-brics-back-russia-crimea)

Any US leader with half a brain would see that disengaging from Europe entirely has been made necessary as a result of Team Obama negligence, we will never win back the EU's support, not after spying on them, ignoring them, screwing them over...we can perhaps peel off England from the EU and that might be about it, the rest should be cut loose, because preparing for economic and military warfare with the BRICS is the only challenge to be focused on going forward.  The EU is about to destroy itself and/or be absorbed by Vlad the Nation Inhaler.  These are our cards, they suck, but it is all we have.

Of course if Hitlery or whoever continues this charade then all we can look forward to is destruction and by the time we are done killing ourselves the foreign hoardes may not find any reason to fuss over any part of us...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2014, 07:53:51 AM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on April 02, 2014, 06:37:33 PM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...

  More like a runway show for the mature woman, tasteful not too provocative with a dash of sassy.  ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2014, 07:07:32 AM
Ukraine OK's war games with NATO in Ukraine.

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html (http://news.yahoo.com/russian-pm-medvedev-visits-crimea-reports-075219445.html)

This should be interesting...I am thinking these games won't be too robust...more symbolic than predictive of any future cooperation...

  More like a runway show for the mature woman, tasteful not too provocative with a dash of sassy.  ::curtsy4::

Yeah.  (Soon to be former) allies in the region probably want something a little more substantial...

Good luck with that.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2014, 07:02:17 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-storm-government-building-eastern-ukraine-132011839.html (http://news.yahoo.com/pro-russians-storm-government-building-eastern-ukraine-132011839.html)

Vlad trying to provoke a response...even though thatb is what he seeks...I wouldn't mind snaeking into the lairs of a few of these clowns leading this bullshyt and slitting their throats...just to let Vlad know we know what he is up to...

Mailing some hands with Gazprom invoices and a few Rubles clutched in them to the Kremlin would be a nice touch too!  ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 09, 2014, 09:14:06 AM
The Battle of East vs West to intensify...these two stories are obviously linked...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-09/russia-and-china-about-sign-holy-grail-gas-deal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-09/russia-and-china-about-sign-holy-grail-gas-deal)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/russian-military-spending-soars (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-08/russian-military-spending-soars)

Yes, two nations aligning in self-interest while the West dies of rot from within...the latter to lash out in futile retaliation (economic and military) only to discover they a) have no friends, b) have no coordination, c) have God-awful leadership - political, economic and military, and d) will be over-extended, vulnerable and ripe for exploitation.

Our only hope here in America is a Revolution/Civil War to rid ourselves of our dead wood and look to ourselves first...

Oh well, nobody will see it that way though...

We're doomed!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2014, 11:42:00 AM
Why do I get the feeling we are going to see something pathetic?

http://weaselzippers.us/182342-general-breedlove-us-troops-may-be-sent-to-eastern-europe/ (http://weaselzippers.us/182342-general-breedlove-us-troops-may-be-sent-to-eastern-europe/)

“Essentially what we are looking at is a package of land, air and maritime measures that would build assurance for our easternmost allies,” Breedlove told the AP.

Yeah, uhh huh... 



ETA - More news not detracting from my feeling that Team Obama and Team Europe won't screw the pooch one way or another on this...

The orchestrations of Team Vlad are exploiting the divisions in Ukraine and the anti-Russian forces in Ukraine and their so-called supporters int he West are playing by a set if rules Team Vlad doesn't have to concern himself with all that much...

Team Vlad is clearly winning...for now....

If nothing changes I think in the long run Russia could have problems, and not sure the wooing of the Chi-Com's will be enough to improve their lot in the long run...and there is nothing different now as there was 20 or 40 years ago...China could swallow all of Asia if it wanted to, and that includes Russia.

Vlad better be wary of his new lover!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on April 14, 2014, 03:30:49 PM
Russian fighter jets spent 90 minutes buzzing a US destroyer in the Black Sea:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/14/russian-fighter-jet-buzzes-us-navy-destroyer-black/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/14/russian-fighter-jet-buzzes-us-navy-destroyer-black/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2014, 07:21:26 AM
A test of nerves is all, I expect they were hoping some kid on the fire-control panel was going to get itchy or a officer fresh out of the Academy standing watch would panic and issue a fire order...neither was very likely to happen...

But a burst of Sea Whiz off his tail to send the hint that that was close enough would have been nice...but that is more my wishful thinking than reality...

I reckon all out forces are on strict orders not to be the first to engave in any provative behavior.  The only thing we likely did was paint that clown with our targeting radar and have fun making the pilot uncomfortable hearing that "lock" tone...


In other news...

Ukraine asks for UN peacekeepers...but since that woudl be vetoed by the peace-minded Rooskies  (ha!)  that won't go anywhere...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/world/europe/russia-east-ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/15/world/europe/russia-east-ukraine.html?_r=0)

So they are still left with the hapless Americans and Euro's...

That is to say they are doomed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2014, 11:41:20 AM
Vlad must have given the order to kill, cause some killin' appears to be going on...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/ukraine-troops-apcs-storm-occupied-slavyansk (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/ukraine-troops-apcs-storm-occupied-slavyansk)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-15/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported)

??????????? ?????????? 15 04 14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGAc-avJBh0#ws)

That Airborne news is key, if they are deploy those guys, a full-blown incursion could be iminent!

I can already here Lurch stuttering and Obama blathering about "20th century behavior"...

Poor Ukraine...screwed by friends and foes alike...

They'll never trust anybody ever again...

Her people will either get out or stay and become underground partisans...I see no other fate beyond that or servitude to the Mongrel Rooskies...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on April 15, 2014, 12:41:07 PM
One of the things that bugs me most about the Infowars/ZeroHedge/PaulBot apologies for Russia is when they say "this part of Ukraine is ethnically and culturally Russian and they voted for the pro-Russia side".  Well no sh*t Sherlock, when Russia has pursued a multi-generation policy of settling Russians there specifically for the purpose of watering down and ultimately replacing the native Ukrainians, that's what you get.

I guess by that reasoning we might as well concede the southwest to "Aztlan" right?  This is one of the oldest tricks in the book, it's a way to wage war without putting armies in the field.  The English did it to the Irish by settling Scots in northern Ireland.  They saw it as killing two birds with one stone: the Scots were a thorn in their side so hey just resettle them in Ireland where they'll squabble with the Catholic Irish instead.  Win-win for the English.  Those same Scots then later came to the New World in droves and that's most of my ancestry.  We have a long heritage of being ornery and refusing to respect self-proclaimed authority. I can just tell the anger that boils in me is the same anger that has lived for centuries in this Celtic rabble!

But back on topic -- this is just another example of manufactured consent. The Ukrainians never "consented" to being demographically replaced, so excuse me if I fart in the general direction of this "the people in that region are pro-Russian" argument.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2014, 07:26:19 AM
Yeah.  Plus, when you have the former regime subjugate the native people for like 74 years or something and lord over them with bureaucrats large and small who are Rooskies...well sure, it's easier to look at the leftovers from 20 years ago as "yours"!

So yeah, I fart on 'em too!

And hey, by that dumb logic nobody has Americans beat, right?  We come from everywhere, so by extension we should annex every nation on earth because, well, we gotta protect all our people, even the ones we haven't brought in yet!

Throw that one on the hardcore IW/ZH/PB crowd and watch their brains melt!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 08:07:28 AM
Ukrainians fight back, kill three Rooskies...

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/ukraine-crisis/)

NATO stepping up eastern border patrols...wow, brave...decisive...   ::)

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/nato-ukraine.html?hp&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/17/world/europe/nato-ukraine.html?hp&_r=0)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 11:20:04 AM
Vlad is insane...one minute he wants to project a strong confident peaceful Russia...the other a weak vulnerable one threatened by a larger stronger more beligerent US/EU alliance....Sweet Jesus, I felt safer when Russia was run by handlers because their leaders were to old and/or drunk to give a shyt!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/putin-slams-kievs-serious-crime-says-will-respond-nato-moves (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/putin-slams-kievs-serious-crime-says-will-respond-nato-moves)

And...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/watch-ukraine-mig-buzzes-trees-spook-east-ukraine-civilians (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-17/watch-ukraine-mig-buzzes-trees-spook-east-ukraine-civilians)

...yes, stop wasting fuel...start firing rounds, missiles and dropping bombs on Rooskies!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2014, 02:31:27 PM
Oh Dear Lord!  What did the SCoaMF and that horse-faced traitor Jean F promise Vlad?!?!?!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/17/deal-reached-on-calming-ukraine-tensions/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/04/17/deal-reached-on-calming-ukraine-tensions/)

Monitors?

 ::facepalm::

I want to see the details...it's there that the betrayal and capitulation will be hiding!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: LadyVirginia on April 17, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
the latest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on April 17, 2014, 03:45:36 PM
Update: Some locals maintain that it is in fact a false flag by Ukrainian nationalists designed to make the Putinistas look bad: (http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/17/report-jewish-residents-being-forced-to-register-by-pro-russian-militants-in-eastern-ukrainian-city/)

So, who knows right now?  Developing .......
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2014, 07:40:20 AM
the latest:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/)

Heard that, was skeptical at first, want confirmation.  Pan's link appears to prove the false flag angle, but, if true, as a tactic I cannot blame them, they are in a desperate state, the US/EU/NATO effort is weak and in a poor position to act after the fact, the Russians have position and infiltration and the will to secure this (and more) annexation(s).

Every angle looks bad for Ukraine.  They need to find some sort of lever they can pull, some sort of Doomsday Machine...or a good 'ol miracle.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
Rooskie-lovers appear to be succeeding in their attempt to scuttle the latest East-West pajama party...send Ukraine hurtling down the path of blood and misery...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-18/ukraine-de-escalation-voided-pro-russia-milita-refuse-vacate-occupied-buildings (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-18/ukraine-de-escalation-voided-pro-russia-milita-refuse-vacate-occupied-buildings)


ETA -

Vlad is probing, trying to manufacture a response...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/easter-truce-broken-five-dead-at-ukrainian-checkpoint-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/easter-truce-broken-five-dead-at-ukrainian-checkpoint-video/)

Meanwhile, Ukrainians at a soccer stadium start chanting “Putin is a douche!” !

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ukrainians-chant-putin-is-a-douche-at-packed-soccer-stadium-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ukrainians-chant-putin-is-a-douche-at-packed-soccer-stadium-video/)

 ::clapping::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 23, 2014, 07:19:20 AM
My God, is Kerry a moron!  I know that gets said a lot, but...doesn't make it any less valid!

http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-easier-cold-war-165939739.html (http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-easier-cold-war-165939739.html)

He has nothing to negotiate with...no brains, no cunning, and certainly nothing provided by Obama will help...because neither of these idiots know who they are trying to deal with, and all they have is words and useless bits of paper...these clowns are worse than Neville Chamberlain!

And as far as token moves to check future Russian moves this has little effect...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/22/russia-ukraine-crimea-pentagon/8022747/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/22/russia-ukraine-crimea-pentagon/8022747/)

...anybody think Obama would really respond in force if a few Americans died in another incursion in the Baltic, that somehow that will deter Vlad from doing whatever the hell he wants?

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2014, 07:46:04 AM
Vlad the Nation Inhaler has apparently had enough of waiting around, figures Obama and the EUtards are powerless to do jack squat and is rolling units southward from Rostov toward Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/putin-says-use-force-ukraine-will-have-consequences-column-military-vehicles-seen-he (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/putin-says-use-force-ukraine-will-have-consequences-column-military-vehicles-seen-he)

And in Ukraine the government in Kiev is apparently tired of waiting on the US and EU and is looking to protect themselves from Russian meddlers and rolls troops and armor into Slavyansk...sounds like the pro-Russian forces there may be led by Regular Russian forces...which if true kind of puts a lie to Putin's statements.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/fighting-breaks-out-ukraine-deploys-tanks-apcs-troops-slavyansk-deaths-reported (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/fighting-breaks-out-ukraine-deploys-tanks-apcs-troops-slavyansk-deaths-reported)

Putin is going to take this personal, his manhood is being called into question, regardless if he is in the wrong or not, he will respond.  This could spin into fugly pretty quick.

Time for O'Bongo to hit the links...he doesn't want shyt to do with this noise, poor Kerry will have to stammer and stutter in front of cameras instead...

 ::unknowncomic::


ETA -

Makes sense...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/leaflets-dropped-in-slaviansk-ukraine-dont-come-near-government-buildings-war/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/leaflets-dropped-in-slaviansk-ukraine-dont-come-near-government-buildings-war/)

..Vlad the Nation Inhaler drops bombs, not leaflets...

Shyt gonna get real right quick!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2014, 07:31:50 AM
Rooskies panties in a twist over being downgraded by S&P, threaten total financial break with the West.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/furious-russia-downgraded-just-above-junk-sp-proposes-scorched-earth-retaliation-aga (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/furious-russia-downgraded-just-above-junk-sp-proposes-scorched-earth-retaliation-aga)

Yeah.  Whatever.  You mongrels went to bed with the Chi-Com's so BFD, go along now, you chose East over West...lets see how that works out for you in the end...that Chi-Com mistress might smother you in your sleep and take all your stuff!  Yeah, that'd be a damned shame, eh?  Or not!

 ::mooning::

Meanwhile, back at the front...

Ukraine PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk said at a cabinet meeting in Kiev that:

•Russia has done nothing to implement Geneva accord  (True)
•Ukraine will continue to comply with Geneva accord (True)
•Ukraine urges Russia to keep promises, condemn extremists  (Good luck with that)
•Ukraine calls on international community to unite against Russia, (Good luck with that)
•Russian invasion will turn into Europe-wide conflict, (True, even though the ZH Putin-lovers know it but will never admit it, war, if it comes can only be result of Western (especially US NeoCon) malfeasance)  and the punchline:
•Russia Wants to Start Third World War (The mocking here of warmongering by ZH clowns is especially rich, given their numerous cries of warmongering by everyone...except Iran, Russia...see a theme here?)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/ukraine-accuses-russia-wanting-start-world-war-iii (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-25/ukraine-accuses-russia-wanting-start-world-war-iii)

But, mock Ukraine idiots, just because the West and Russia are both crapping on them does not make their statements any less true or valid...

I remember a time when people at ZH used to care about national sovereignty...well, those days are gone.

But they may be right about NATO...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/04-overflow/20140424_nato.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/how-world-sees-nato-one-cartoon (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/how-world-sees-nato-one-cartoon)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2014, 07:42:40 AM
The chaos continues...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10794340/Eastern-Ukraine-slips-further-into-chaos-as-violence-flares-and-mayor-shot.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10794340/Eastern-Ukraine-slips-further-into-chaos-as-violence-flares-and-mayor-shot.html)

...time is only on Vlad's side...being in-region means having the advantage in any waiting game...

...and the Obongo Regime is powerless (by their own existence) to change that dynamic one iota...

And those Rooskie troops amassed are not going anywhere...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-29/no-deescalation-separatists-take-over-another-ukraine-administration-building-nato-s (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-29/no-deescalation-separatists-take-over-another-ukraine-administration-building-nato-s)






ETA - And Ron Paul once again reminds us why is an effing moonbat and unelectable loon!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ron-paul-us-sanctions-against-russia-an-act-of-war/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/ron-paul-us-sanctions-against-russia-an-act-of-war/)

US-imposed war?  WTF is this clown on?  Shrooms?  What a dipshyt!  Russia is extorting Ukraine and the West for oil and gas supply, Ukraine became the battleground and this drooling old loon thinks this is a US-imposed war?  What an embarassing clown!

I guess seeing the pro-Russia Vlad-loving types beat the shyt out of the elderly and women and such for daring to hold a Ukrainian flag warms the cold dead cockels of Ron's heart and the other cold dead hearts who follow that batshyt old fool!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/pro-russian-separatists-beat-ukrainian-protesters-with-bats-in-donetsk-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/04/pro-russian-separatists-beat-ukrainian-protesters-with-bats-in-donetsk-video/)

I wish these people would club Ron down, see what he and his people think of that...I guess they would just scream "f**king US-Imposed war-mongers" as a Russian beats him silly...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2014, 07:27:07 AM
(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Qpd2XzMrMkPYmLbrIx7fmw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM1MTtxPTc1O3c9MzAw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/a5882143bca017f18f61db30cc26e953264d6355.jpg)

http://news.yahoo.com/us-reviving-iron-curtain-policies-russia-094611975.html (http://news.yahoo.com/us-reviving-iron-curtain-policies-russia-094611975.html)

Nice map, all those hot-spots are just a coincidence in their proximity to Mother Russia, I guess it would really have to stretch ones terribly-limited imagination to think Rooskie troops could never make it that far undetected in civilian attire and cause mayhem, riots and death, eh?

And if Vlad wants to threaten Western energy co's well schucks, we should just kick their damned hockey players out of the NHL and let them go back to the Mother Land and earn money running whores and drugs!

 ::mooning::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2014, 07:31:51 AM
May 9th - Vlad to visit Crimea...

http://news.yahoo.com/putin-visit-crimea-may-9-military-parade-094458784.html;_ylt=AmoLER5._S_GU4H2Rfs8sKPQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMDM3a2wyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHNlYwNzcg-- (http://news.yahoo.com/putin-visit-crimea-may-9-military-parade-094458784.html;_ylt=AmoLER5._S_GU4H2Rfs8sKPQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBsMDM3a2wyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwM0BHNlYwNzcg--)

...perfect time to put sniper teams in place and take him out...

...seems obvious, doesn't it?

And if there was ever any doubt about the ambitions of Vlad the Nation Inhaler!

http://weaselzippers.us/184626-russia-revives-may-day-moscow-parade-for-first-time-since-collapse-of-soviet-union/ (http://weaselzippers.us/184626-russia-revives-may-day-moscow-parade-for-first-time-since-collapse-of-soviet-union/)

Mischief workers of the world unite...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2014, 07:39:10 AM
Ukraine feeling the strain, forced to institute conscription...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/ukraine-admits-helpless-against-pro-russian-forces-reinstates-military-conscription (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-01/ukraine-admits-helpless-against-pro-russian-forces-reinstates-military-conscription)

...likely most will come from the western half of the nation...

...what else can they do?



Well, they need to find a way to supress ground to air fire if they plan on flying any more aircraft!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/ukraine-begins-army-offensive-regain-slavyansk-separatists-retaliate-shoot-down-heli (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/ukraine-begins-army-offensive-regain-slavyansk-separatists-retaliate-shoot-down-heli)

Yeah, were these peaceful Russia-lovers getting their weapons from, eh?  The Tooth Fairy?  I don't think so!

And Czar Vlad's got the balls to say this kills the Geneva Accord?

And we wonder where client states like Iran get their bullshyt from?

Well, intelligent people need not wonder, we know...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2014, 07:30:36 AM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
The Russians (are already there, but more) are coming!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/report-russian-troops-will-enter-ukraine-at-1900-near-antratsyt/# (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/report-russian-troops-will-enter-ukraine-at-1900-near-antratsyt/#)!

Time to set the oil & gas pipelines ablaze yet?   ::whatgives::

ETA - Violence ramping up.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/slavyansk-clashes-kill-20-rebels-injure-dozens-civilians-white-house-extremely-conce (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-05/slavyansk-clashes-kill-20-rebels-injure-dozens-civilians-white-house-extremely-conce)

As far as whatsherfaces deal, whatever...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on May 05, 2014, 03:36:46 PM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on May 05, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.

Yah, big whoop.  And I'll betcha dollars to doughtnuts there'll be at least one that ends up on the hook for defending himself/violating some cretin's human rights/______________ .
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2014, 06:49:59 AM
Jews in Odessa preparing to evacuate as violence escalates.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334 (http://www.jpost.com/International/Odessa-Jewish-community-mulls-emergency-evacuation-351334)

No clean way out of this mess...and Team O'Bongo just makes everything worse...

 What do you mean he sent 150 troops.

Yah, big whoop.  And I'll betcha dollars to doughtnuts there'll be at least one that ends up on the hook for defending himself/violating some cretin's human rights/______________ .

Sadly...I will not take that bet...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 07, 2014, 11:40:29 AM
Putin lied...peace in Ukraine died.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-07/putin-pulls-fast-one-nato-says-no-russian-troop-withdrawal (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-07/putin-pulls-fast-one-nato-says-no-russian-troop-withdrawal)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2014, 11:39:10 AM
On the heels of Russia not withdrawing from the region, we have -

1)  Donetsk refererendum and accompanying premeditated annexation moving forward...Putin just put Ukraine in check...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/here-comes-crimea-20-following-referendum-donetsk-will-vote-become-part-russia (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/here-comes-crimea-20-following-referendum-donetsk-will-vote-become-part-russia)

2)  Russia states "economic sanctions" are "not their method"...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-says-forced-respond-warns-sanctions-not-our-method (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-says-forced-respond-warns-sanctions-not-our-method)

...which naturally leads into their method...

3)  Russia tries to intimidate West by conducting live-fire (nuclear) missile tests from land and sea...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-launches-two-icbms-rebuffs-simulated-massive-nuclear-strike-part-military-dri (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-08/russia-launches-two-icbms-rebuffs-simulated-massive-nuclear-strike-part-military-dri)

Wow, look at all those ZeroHedgers get woodies over Vlad the Nation Inhaler launching missiles!  Usually all a Western nation has to do is think about launching something, or sortie an aircraft, or deploy a naval vessel...and they are freaking out and issuing dire warnings of imminent WWIII annihilation and upping the war-monger rhetoric into overdrive!

They are in love with the strong cult-of-personality leader in the Kremlin, only those others are of the dangerous variety!

Effing idiots!





ETA - Another possible venue for pest removal...

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PUTIN_D_DAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-08-17-05-44 (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PUTIN_D_DAY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-05-08-17-05-44)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
 ::facepalm::

Crap.  Vlad survives Crimea, not shots heard, is still vertical.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/putin-visits-newly-aquired-crimea-for-victory-day-celebrations-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/putin-visits-newly-aquired-crimea-for-victory-day-celebrations-video/)

Well, on to Normandy!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2014, 12:09:58 PM
Anybody spot any Armed Cossacks in Ukraine doing Vlad's bidding?

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20140507.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htatrit/articles/20140507.aspx)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2014, 07:12:50 AM
Fools, bullets, politicians foreign and domestic, Spetsnaz, a divided citizenry, Mercs, gas & pipelines and attendant exploitation and extortion...this story has it all!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/89-donetsk-voters-pick-independence-kiev-ukraine-warns-prepared-fight-defend-territo (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/89-donetsk-voters-pick-independence-kiev-ukraine-warns-prepared-fight-defend-territo)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/400-blackwater-mercs-deployed-ukraine-against-separatists-german-press-reports (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-11/400-blackwater-mercs-deployed-ukraine-against-separatists-german-press-reports)

Revolution, partition...who knows...continued conflict, pain and death?  For certain.

Bloody mess any way you slice it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2014, 11:48:39 AM
Funny how that works...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/caught-on-tape-russia-tells-donetsk-puppets-breakaway-vote-should-come-out-to-89-final-vote-comes-out-to-89/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/05/caught-on-tape-russia-tells-donetsk-puppets-breakaway-vote-should-come-out-to-89-final-vote-comes-out-to-89/)

...OK, not "ha-ha!" funny...more of the "monkey-business" funny...

And as expected there is no mention of this at ZeroHedge Central...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/east-ukraines-donetsk-declares-itself-sovereign-asks-moscow-consider-absorption-new- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/east-ukraines-donetsk-declares-itself-sovereign-asks-moscow-consider-absorption-new-)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/russia-demands-immediate-talks-kiev-says-refereda-show-real-mood-people (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/russia-demands-immediate-talks-kiev-says-refereda-show-real-mood-people)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/seen-new-donetsk-republic-leaders-wall (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/seen-new-donetsk-republic-leaders-wall)

...they are following the Putin Line all the way and are apparently giddy at the prospects of the swelling Russian Empire...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2014, 08:02:46 AM
Ron Paul.   ::facepalm::

I thought this idiot went away?

He's like a case of the clap, he just keeps coming back...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/ron-paul-asks-what-does-us-government-want-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-12/ron-paul-asks-what-does-us-government-want-ukraine)

Obviously, no hard questions for the idiot, like why he has such a hankering for Vlads man-juice, why he thinks it is A-OK for Russia to use gas and oil as a weapon, why annexation under any pretense is legitimate state action, why Russian commandos need to be operating in the eastern provinces of Ukraine if in fact they are so lopsidedly in favor of Russian domination, why Russia can do all this to its neighbor yet the US cannot do the same to its neighbors like Cuba and Mexico?

The idiot doctor should learn to STFD & STFU!  He is about as helpful as a case of the crabs!

 ::cussing::  fool!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
Oh no!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-retaliates-blocks-gps-bans-us-use-its-rocket-engines (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/russia-retaliates-blocks-gps-bans-us-use-its-rocket-engines)

No rockets!

 ::ohno::

Whatever.  ZHers seem to make a bigger deal out of this than warranted and their Vlad Worship comes out obvious at the end of the short post...

I think in the long term it could be positive, if NASA gets back to rockets instead of Muzzie outreach and other such rot!



Russian puppet in Luhansk survives shooting.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/peoples-governor-newly-independent-luhansk-survives-assassination-attempt (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/peoples-governor-newly-independent-luhansk-survives-assassination-attempt)

Come on Ukraine!  You can do better than this.  Use an RPG next time!   ::)



And here, gosh...I wonder who attacked this Ukrainian convoy...   ::thinking::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/6-ukraine-soldiers-killed-8-injured-ahead-tomorrows-leave-or-face-war-deadline (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/6-ukraine-soldiers-killed-8-injured-ahead-tomorrows-leave-or-face-war-deadline)

Misguided Pro-Russian separatists or infiltrated Rooskie regulars?  Well, what difference does it make?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 14, 2014, 07:58:20 AM
Huh, whattaya know, actual pics of Rooskies piled up on the Ukraine border...

(http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/nG3yeXMp.TbBqbVsVzIW.Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-05-13T222824Z_1574708204_GM1EA5E0DAF01_RTRMADP_3_UKRAINE-CRISIS-PHOTOGRAPHS.JPG)

http://news.yahoo.com/u-releases-satellite-images-russian-forces-near-ukraine-191329937--sector.html (http://news.yahoo.com/u-releases-satellite-images-russian-forces-near-ukraine-191329937--sector.html)

Must be fakes, Vlad would never lie to us, he's ex-KGB for Stalin's sake!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2014, 07:35:50 AM
Yeah...looks like a Russian-ass-kisser...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/05/20140515_dontesk1.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/donetsk-declares-martial-law-leave-or-face-total-annihilation-deadline-hits-within-h (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/donetsk-declares-martial-law-leave-or-face-total-annihilation-deadline-hits-within-h)

...talks real tough with Putin standing behind him, hands on his shoulders...

 ::vafancoul::

Heh, I wonder if something unusual sent this Rooskie launch awry?!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/rocket-carrying-russias-most-advanced-communications-satellite-crashes-take (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-15/rocket-carrying-russias-most-advanced-communications-satellite-crashes-take)

 ::smallestviolin::

And clearly, this news can only mean Russia intends to maintain a hostile posture toward Ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/moscow-says-massive-holy-grail-gas-deal-china-98-ready), so really, what incentive does Ukraine, the EU, the US or anybody (especially other regional neighbors!) have to play nice with Russia any more?

 ::whatgives::

Pretty clever...

Prince Vlad as Darth Vader...

Darth Vader takes control and saves Odessa, Ukraine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_72v783tlA#ws)

...and numbnuts think Vlad is the wrong evil empire builder?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/darth-vader-steps-his-political-campaign-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/darth-vader-steps-his-political-campaign-ukraine)

...what makes Vlad any less evil?   ::whatgives::

Stupid PaulBots!   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2014, 07:17:20 AM
More good news for Russia...

http://news.yahoo.com/hard-nato-defend-baltic-states-russia-spiegel-181301547--sector.html (http://news.yahoo.com/hard-nato-defend-baltic-states-russia-spiegel-181301547--sector.html)

...NATO's spine to soften in defending the Baltic states?  No, say it isn't so!  I mean the hard line in the sand you set in Ukraine..ahh...errr...ummm...

O'Bongoism, heck of a policy, ain't it?

Like the Preacher in Blazing Saddles said, "...you're on your own."!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on May 19, 2014, 11:20:17 AM
And now we see the consequences of western Europe putting so much money into their cradle-to-grave welfare states for 70 years following WWII, since Uncle Sugar was doing their defense spending for them. Now that Uncle Sugar either can't or won't do it for them anymore, the world sees just how impotent they are by themselves.

And it furthermore appears that we're all about to learn a lesson on how the welfare state has in essence produced generations of junkies who are dependent on OPM, and the ability for them to keep getting their fix is coming to an end.

The Russians have correctly calculated that the US and western Europe are strategically impotent, and sitting on a social time bomb that will go off when OPM dries up.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2014, 11:43:09 AM
Yup, they willingly accepted what the Soviets had to impose...the results will be the same...

But the difference is that when the Soviet Empire collapsed a ravenous neighbor did not pounce to feast upon the fresh carcass, I expect the Euro's will not be as fortunate...

Heck, neither will we be so fortunate, going down the road to perdition we're on!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2014, 07:52:11 AM
The new Axis of Evil...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/05/Putin%20Xi.jpg)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/communist-caption-contest (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-20/communist-caption-contest)

And all we got is...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Obama%20Admin/ObamaPostAmerican.jpg)

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2014, 01:07:24 PM
Jeez!  Tyler's at ZeroHedge really are a bunch of Russophiles, aren't they?!

"However, one thing Putin made explicitly clear earlier today is that he sees NATO expansion as the single biggest threat to Russia, especially considering the implicit understanding between James Baker and Gorbachev from 1990 that Nato would not expand east. Well, NATO may not only be expanding east but it may soon be knocking on Russia's doorstep.  And that would certainly provoke the Russian bear like nothing yet seen."

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-23/russia-has-prepared-confidential-retaliation-document-ukraine-prepares-hold-nato-acc (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-23/russia-has-prepared-confidential-retaliation-document-ukraine-prepares-hold-nato-acc)

What a disingenous unapologetic Putin-ass-kissing intellectually dishonest little dweeb Tyler is!

He links to a NYT's article from 2009, an outfit that adores and carries dirty water for Putin's nemesis on a daily basis, in a weak effort to bolster the pathetic argument that Vlad is entirely in the right and that provoking him (like provoking say Obama with the truth) is justification enough to sanction any retalitory response up to and including mass murder...while ignoring the express conditions of the December 5th 1994 Budapest Memorandum (aka Memorandum on Security Assurances in connection with Ukraine's accession to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons) that Russia is ignoring - specifically: threatnening the independence and soverignty of Ukraine, violating the territory of Ukraine, the use of force/threat of force on Ukraine and the economic coercion of Ukraine (Gazprom, hello?!) as well as conveniently ignoring the fact that the US and the UK pledged to come to the aid of Ukraine if threatened by ANY of the above!

So take your commie agreement and shove it up your ass, Tyler!  That is as soon as you can get off your knees and wipe the Putin off your chin!

 ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 04, 2014, 07:20:22 AM
Heh!  I like it!

(http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/h/www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/403x537xfu-putin.jpg.pagespeed.ic.IJq7SYM3Fo.jpg)

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/new-fck-you-putin-bracelets-on-sale-to-help-raise-money-for-ukrainian-army/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/new-fck-you-putin-bracelets-on-sale-to-help-raise-money-for-ukrainian-army/)

 ::thinking::

Hey?!  Y'all think this would work back here?   ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2014, 01:01:02 PM
Clear majority view US negatively...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/putin-foreigners-russia/10003575/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/06/06/putin-foreigners-russia/10003575/)

...well, how hard is that?

-Russians historically adore their strong men...until they set off on genocide, then they just replace them with another one...

-Obama is a tool...

-Think it sucks from afar?  Try being this close to stupid!  See above "Obama is a tool" and add in a host of other DemoProgs running amok everywhere...

SHOCKA!

\
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2014, 08:04:36 AM
This is a good read about what is going on in Ukraine and the risks for Russia.  They really are in a pickle if their subversive war fizzles.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140607.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140607.aspx)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2014, 11:50:31 AM
Going to get interesting now...

Russians invade Ukraine with 3 tanks and APC's...unknown number of troops...Snezhnoye area of the Donetsk region...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-12/firefight-underway-russian-rebels-cross-border-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-12/firefight-underway-russian-rebels-cross-border-ukraine)

Repel and destroy, capture some alive...trot them out in front of cameras and let the world see what Russia is up to...and then suffer dejection when the world shrugs...better off slaughtering them all on sight and screw the PR crap!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 17, 2014, 07:11:03 AM
Obama is only growing weaker by the second...I could see Vlad the Nation-Inhaler going all-in soon...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-16/ukraine-says-russia-has-38-000-troops-on-border-amid-invasion-.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-16/ukraine-says-russia-has-38-000-troops-on-border-amid-invasion-.html)

ETA - Gas explosion/fire in Ukraine Poltava region...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/ukraine-russia-near-serious-conflict-following-gas-transit-pipeline-explosion (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-17/ukraine-russia-near-serious-conflict-following-gas-transit-pipeline-explosion)

...Putin false flag to send in the 38k troops? 

Lock 'n Load, Ukraine!  The Mongrels are coming!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on June 18, 2014, 05:22:19 PM
  They wont because they know that Bumler won't do a damned thing to help.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 19, 2014, 09:01:33 AM
More fighting, more blood...the status quo works only to Russia's advantage...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/ukraine-truce-lasts-several-seconds-latest-fighting-involving-4000-troops-tanks-apc- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-19/ukraine-truce-lasts-several-seconds-latest-fighting-involving-4000-troops-tanks-apc-)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2014, 07:43:19 AM
Putin & Gazprom Plan B - Bypass Ukraine...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-30/russia-reveals-plan-b-gazprom-says-gas-transit-ukraine-may-be-stopped-completely (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-30/russia-reveals-plan-b-gazprom-says-gas-transit-ukraine-may-be-stopped-completely)

...getting past the ZH euphoria of a Russia win...this is no slam-dunk for Putin & Gazprom...if I were Ukraine I would be dispatching Commando's to both the nearby border with Russia part of the Blue Stream section as well as the vulnerable points in the South Stream section in Bulgaria...then that leverage returns to Ukraine again...

Oh, and as for Austria, nice union you got there EU, once again Austria causes problems in Europe...SSDD...   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2014, 08:42:53 AM
As I said before...time and fecklessness by the West only works to Russia's advantage...

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140625.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20140625.aspx)

...just like 1938 all over again...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2014, 07:57:30 AM
Wow, ZH not even trying to hide its Russia-bias any more...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-06/what-next-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-06/what-next-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing)

...one of those "the majority is fine when they are with me and sucks and must be overruled when they are against me" attitudes the Left typically loves to employ...

...if the majority of people in Ukraine are umm...Ukrainian...it makes sense to drive the Russians out, eh?

I guess if ZHer's were invaded by some folks they don't like and told to shut up and enjoy having your terrirtory violated, stolen and your people shot...

...yeah, that makes about as much sense as anything oozing out of this White House...

...and not a big fan of Ziggy, but his idea at least has the benefit of doing something to level the playing field in a military sense...I would go so far as to provide better air defense as well, but...anything that makes further pillaging by Ivan harder would be nice...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2014, 12:06:25 PM
I bet this pipline experiences some disruptions...   ;)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-07/russia-rushes-seal-south-stream-pipeline-lavrov-pays-bulgaria-visit (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-07/russia-rushes-seal-south-stream-pipeline-lavrov-pays-bulgaria-visit)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2014, 08:29:43 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-considering-targeted-strikes-ukraine-084145577.html (http://news.yahoo.com/moscow-considering-targeted-strikes-ukraine-084145577.html)

If I were Ukraine I would consider some assassination squads targeting high-level rooskie pols & military officers...just, you know, because their patience at being raped and killed by rooskies is, not limitless...

 ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 08:19:59 AM
Hammering the Russian markets seems to have been the bullseye for the latest round of Obama sanctions...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russian-bonds-stocks-ruble-tumble-latest-us-sanctions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russian-bonds-stocks-ruble-tumble-latest-us-sanctions)

...not changing a damn thing on the ground in Ukraine...

...without a strong military component this strategy, well I don't even think it is that, it is a tactic, I have no fracking idea what these Obama clowns think their strategy is, anyway...no military component and any chance of stopping Russian domination of this or any other nation in the region is impossible...and I don't see Obamites doing anyting militarily, so...

Ukraine and other nations, y'all effed!

And sanctions alone will only play into Vlad's hands...just as he has said and continues to say...

Russians, Iranians,...thney all know how to beat sanctions, any effect is going to be short-lived and only spur them on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 11:44:17 AM
Here we go...

Looks like Russian-supplied Pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine mistook a Malaysian airliner for a Ukrainian bomber and went SAM on it!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/malaysian-air-lines-passenger-jet-crashes-in-ukraine/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/07/malaysian-air-lines-passenger-jet-crashes-in-ukraine/)

Mongrel Putin-lovers at ZeroHedge waste no time blaming Ukraine and throwing every accusation in the book at them from disliking kittens to ethnic cleansing (that ironically their Serbian pals did conduct back in the 'ol Balkan affair in the 90's)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russia-denies-downing-ukraine-warplane-accuses-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing-says-does-no (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/russia-denies-downing-ukraine-warplane-accuses-ukraine-ethnic-cleansing-says-does-no)

Yeah...

Ukraine - Propaganda / Russia - f**king Gospel, bitchez!

Better wipe the Putin off your chins, clowns!

Debris - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/first-photo-emerges-malaysian-airlines-plane-wreckage (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/first-photo-emerges-malaysian-airlines-plane-wreckage)

Jeez...if this is indeed an accurate flight path...the jet flew over most of Ukraine and was entering Russian territorywhen it went down...and still ZHers are sucking Rooskie butt and throwing terms like "false flag" around...to me it looks like somebody on the Pro-Russia side saw something big coming from Ukraine and thought "Hey, wouldn't it be swell to drop a big fat Ukrainian target with one of these cool new missiles Vlad gave us?!" and let fly.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/here-real-time-flight-path-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-17 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-17/here-real-time-flight-path-malaysian-airlines-flight-mh-17)

Quote of the day at Small Dead Animals by Matt Gurney - "So in 2 days, two Ukrainian fighter jets have been hit by missiles. One Ukrainian transport plane destroyed by missile. Now a passenger jet."

http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/ (http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/)

Yup.  Just a coincidence...

Vlad to invade in 3...2...1...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 12:45:59 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 17, 2014, 12:48:14 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 01:04:57 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)


Well the alien lizard-men from the Illuminati were probably using it to spray chemtrails these past 4 months, while waiting for this opportunity to surreptitiously sneak it onto a scheduled international flight from one of the world's major airports in Amsterdam.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on July 17, 2014, 01:20:49 PM
Finally got the President on record, today.  From Jonathan Karl, of ABC News

"On the record so far from the President today: "I'm starving" - as he ordered a 4oz cheeseburger at The Charcoal Pit in Delaware".

"More Obama at The Charcoal Pit: “Me and Joe, we share shakes all the time".

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 17, 2014, 01:23:21 PM
Finally got the President on record, today.  From Jonathan Karl, of ABC News

"On the record so far from the President today: "I'm starving" - as he ordered a 4oz cheeseburger at The Charcoal Pit in Delaware".

"More Obama at The Charcoal Pit: “Me and Joe, we share shakes all the time".

 ::upsidedownflag::


Unfortunately, he was referring to the men's room.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2014, 02:11:52 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)


Well the alien lizard-men from the Illuminati were probably using it to spray chemtrails these past 4 months, while waiting for this opportunity to surreptitiously sneak it onto a scheduled international flight from one of the world's major airports in Amsterdam.

Heh.  I think I like this story better than the Barry/Joe shake-out!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on July 17, 2014, 03:40:19 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)

  Great fuel economy huh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on July 17, 2014, 04:45:54 PM
Yeah the Infowars crowd are convinced this is the missing Malaysian Airlines 777 from a few months ago, and it was rigged with explosives to pin everything on noble Vlad.

What, it's just been circling for the last four months?   ::)

  Great fuel economy huh?

Those planes do have incredible range.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
This whole airline thing is a mess!  The reports indicate the site is so corrupted that an veteran investigation team will have huge gaps in their report, it is likely the black boxes are tampered or destroyed, and it seems obvious that only a properly trained crew could operate this kind of missile battery.  In a he said/she said tiff...sans hard proof Vlad holds the upper hand, and the murder of 300 people goes unanswered and nobody is held accountable... and the family and friends of the victims are hosed over nine ways to Sunday!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on July 20, 2014, 12:25:41 AM
And get a load of Vlad's incredibly cynical way of blaming Ukraine: "it is the responsibility of the state which controls the territory". Well uh, yeah, that's just the point though isn't it? The Ukrainian government doesn't control that territory, precisely because of Vlad supplying sophisticated weapons to the rebels. Precisely the sort of sophisticated weapons that shot down the aircraft.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2014, 07:21:53 AM
I know the anecdotal and circumstanstial evidence of Russian culpability must be increasing, and that combined with the Soviet talking points Vlad is reverting to must be taking their toll because the tone coming from the ZH Russophiles (aka Tyler's) are taking on a wait-and-see/we-need-more-facts flavor than the red-faced defense of all things Vlad we usually get, although many of the Russophile posters there suck at hiding their stripes.  There is no way this launch system was handled by non-Russian trained personnel, period.  Seeing as how Russia just loves putting weapon systems in the hands of any crazy bastard with cash can it not be karma biting their ass when somebody does something bad with it and it is right in their back yard?!  Hilarious how when this started Vlad acted like it was Russian manifest destiny at play and he gleefully told outsiders to butt out, now when 300 people get snuffed in his back yard suddenly it isn't his back yard!

Classic two-faced Soviet-trained KGB doublespeak crapola!

And to those Vlad-worshipping ass-clowns at ZH or anywhere else...if this is a false flag launched by the West (laughable, given everything else they do is a monumental clusterf**k of gargantuan proportions!) then it is the most brilliant set up in the last half century!

And as for brain-dead 'ol Fineswine (http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/sen-feinstein-the-u-s-is-now-at-cold-war-levels-with-russia-20140720)...you ignorant twit!  You need someone on the other side of Russia to be a man before one could be expected to man up and face Vlad the Nation-Inhaler!  And right now that chronic-chugging Halfrican He-She in the White House ain't it, so forget cold, luke-warm or hot wars...not with this mental-gimp you call your President!!!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2014, 12:21:20 PM
On Cue, fellow BRICmate China scolds West for picking on poor Vladi and the much-maligned Rooskies...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-blasts-one-sided-western-rush-judge-russia-over-mh17 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/china-blasts-one-sided-western-rush-judge-russia-over-mh17)

Blah, blah, blah...commies covering for commies, yadda yadda yadda... 

Malaysia says handoff of black boxes to occur today 9pm local time from rebel leaders...

Wow, the rebels have their own authorities and the whole nine yards?  They got embassies and sh*t too?  Hey, I wonder if any pals in Russia fooled around with those boxes before the hand off?  I mean, wtf is there to negotiate when the fate of 300 innocents and their remains and the relatives wishes are at stake, I mean they need a note signed by Vlad or something to access the area?  I thought Vlad said he and his partisans have no control or authority there?  Once again responsibility and accountablity shift with the wind with these pricks!

Maybe the black boxes will be about as usefull as this bullsh*t the ZHers got a jones over - http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1)

Is this a case of passing the BUK?

What the BUK is going on here?!

I contend that Putin's Russia is best understood through the Soviet prism, this asshole reeks of old school skullduggery and underhandedness!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 22, 2014, 07:23:02 AM
Hilarious!

This is one of those Ron Paul ramblings that earn him the ridicule he deserves as a moonbat (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/ron-paul-what-press-isnt-reporting-about-mh17-disaster)!

Seriously, whip a bunch of stuff out there, slant the editorializing and then challenge your detractors to prove your crap wrong.  Yeah, OK.

The opposite can be levelled to, asswipe!  Prove it could not have been Russia!  Prove it could not have been Russian-supplied rebels in Ukraine!  Prove Vlad knew nothing about it!  Give us more than pretty charts, pics of unknown origin and date and clever animations coupled with Putin talking points that employ these same Ron Paul School of Negative Debate Skills (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-21/russia-says-has-photos-ukraine-deploying-buk-missiles-east-rader-proof-warplanes-mh1)!

And about those Putin talking points (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/putin-speaks-will-respond-adequately-ongoing-nato-buildup-wont-tighten-screws-respon) that only get ZHer's and other Russophioles sexually aroused...don't they sound an awful lot like the same defiant stuff that comes out of every tin-pot dictator (Saddam, Noreiga, etc) right before the go down in flames?  Yeah, IIRC I think the ZHer's got off on standing up for those clowns too...and are also pro-Pali since they hate the Jew too...

Crawl back under your rock Ron....
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 23, 2014, 07:18:57 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html# (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/23/exclusive-ukraine-asked-u-s-for-tech-to-counter-russia-s-jet-killers.html#)

Interesting, would have been hard to just hand over technology like that and it appears nobody was interested in manning a system for them...so, its just a back-story item...

More bits...

Ukraine calls to have rebels designated "terrorists". 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/poroshenko-demands-ukraine-separatists-be-declared-terrorists-under-international-la (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/poroshenko-demands-ukraine-separatists-be-declared-terrorists-under-international-la)

Makes sense, but the Euro's love appeasing 7th century savages and especially Pali's, so I doubt white folk on white folk violence will elicit much action on their part...

Word from the US is the rebels did it but see no direct link to Russia...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/us-state-department-confident-mh17-mistakenly-downed-separatists-finds-no-direct-lin (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-22/us-state-department-confident-mh17-mistakenly-downed-separatists-finds-no-direct-lin)

Could be BS, could be right, either way they ar trying to give Putin a crack to slip into and extricate himself from, but if that is the play it won't work on Commrade Vlad, he knows America is weak and led by the biggest chump on the planet, so, stupid play to make, just shows more weakness...

Rebels shoot down 2 more Ukrainian jets...can't be BUK missiles, obviously only Ukraine shoots planes out of the sky...airliners for propaganda purposes blaming the rebels and their own pilots and jets for the same purpose I guess...ZHers are gleeful that more Ukrainians are dead...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/rebels-shoot-down-two-ukraine-fighter-jets-defense-ministry-reports (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-07-23/rebels-shoot-down-two-ukraine-fighter-jets-defense-ministry-reports)

You really have to be effed up in the head beyond all recognition to buy some of the crap people believe...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on July 23, 2014, 03:23:21 PM
H/T Grouchies:


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/p240x240/10460779_899219806761220_9051657647293763253_n.jpg?oh=daf3367395918398b42540ef9caf3427&oe=543EF5CE&__gda__=1414428456_11a2fe1f6ffe618b85d21204b046a38b)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2014, 07:06:27 AM
Funny because it is true.

But the rest of the story would be: "But once Vlad gets up, the whuppin' he puts on that bi-clown will make Obama miss being the object of the Thursday Night Sex Parties thrown by his muzzie pals in Indonesia as a youth"!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2014, 07:50:46 AM
Don't like this plan, it is tilted heavily Russia's direction, basically a sellout for energy...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/land-for-gas-secret-german-deal-could-end-ukraine-crisis-9638764.html)

...the downed airliner put things on hold, I hope that time can be used to take things like recognizing territorial theft and such can be removed, else I see little chance of this conflict ending...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 05, 2014, 07:26:35 AM
Build up has to be taken seriously...with Vlad's track record a full blown incursion into Ukraine is not out of the question...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/05/world/europe/buildup-makes-russia-battle-ready-for-ukraine.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/05/world/europe/buildup-makes-russia-battle-ready-for-ukraine.html?_r=0)

Armor, artillery & SAM bateries are key, watching activity at their air bases is going to be a red flare...


ETA - Evil Empire repsonds to the West's sanctions...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/russia-plans-airspace-blockade-european-flyovers-sanctions-retaliation (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/russia-plans-airspace-blockade-european-flyovers-sanctions-retaliation)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/putin-orders-preparation-retaliatory-sanctions (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-05/putin-orders-preparation-retaliatory-sanctions)

Wow, denied the pleasure of flying over Mongrel-land and they come all the way out of the closet in dealing with completely insane Islamic terror states?  Wow, something different for Russia.  Wait, no it isn't!

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
Russian "Peacekeepers"?!

 ::hysterical::

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/russian-defense-minister-tells-troops-be-state-constant-battle-readiness (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-06/russian-defense-minister-tells-troops-be-state-constant-battle-readiness)

Shoot the vandals on sight!!!

 ::machinegun::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2014, 01:48:10 PM
The Russians are Coming (Again)!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-11/putin-defies-western-warning-will-send-aid-convoy-east-ukraine)

"Aid" convoy...

Yeah, sure...everybody should call invaders that!   ::)

Interesting the hoodwinked the Red Cross to come along, nothing a like innocent fodder to march behind to protect your own and make PR waves if any get killed!  A little trick they learned from helping out every scumbag raghead regime that has ever existed!  Russians are no better than pale-skinned Pali's!

Do the IDF thing, Ukraine, drop leaflets telling the Red Cross fools to haul ass, because bullets and bombs are coming any minute for Vlad and his Stormtroopers!

 ::effu::

 ::machinegun::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2014, 07:53:49 AM
Russian convoy halted by Ukraine.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/ukraine-blocks-russian-humanitarian-convoy-accuses-kremlin-sending-disguised-militar (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-12/ukraine-blocks-russian-humanitarian-convoy-accuses-kremlin-sending-disguised-militar)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2014, 07:48:17 AM
Russian incursion has reportedly begun...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine)

Flow of arms and munitions...NATO issues statement akin to an angry letter but does nothing...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/nato-accuses-russia-escalating-conflict-even-it-calls-de-escalation. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/nato-accuses-russia-escalating-conflict-even-it-calls-de-escalation.)

...it appears that "aid" convoy was a decoy to cover the real incursion.

War, uhh, ...we'll see what it's good for...

Ukraine says it has stopped some of the incursion...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/ukraine-says-it-destroyed-part-of-armed-vehicles-from-russia.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/ukraine-says-it-destroyed-part-of-armed-vehicles-from-russia.html)

The response by the West is pathetic...and if the US was serious (I know it is a stretch given Bungling Barry's record) they would have already acted by ordering the Command Ship Mount Whitney from Theoule-sur-Mer to the Black Sea with whatever other US and allied ships are in the area and spin up the Amphib Iwo Jima and Carrier Roosevelt at Norfolk and send them to the Sixth Fleet...

But as far as I can tell Barry is only spinning Reggie up...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
Russian invasion is showing just how weak the West is, how useless NATO is and how screwed Ukraine is.  Other nations in the region are screwed too, they will be forced to make the best of a rotten deal with Russia or suffer the same result.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 26, 2014, 07:21:38 AM
Humanitarian Aid Convoy...with Tanks...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-forces-cross-border-in-tanks-armored-vehicles/2014/08/25/8cb7d1d4-2c3f-11e4-994d-202962a9150c_story.html)

Yeah...Uhh huh...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2014, 07:11:19 AM
Wow, ZeroHedge had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find these clowns...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-01/ex-nsa-director-us-intelligence-veterans-write-open-letter-merkel-avoid-all-out-ukra)

If you look up info on these people most seem to be left-leaning Libertarians and disgruntled Dems, that most are critics of Bush is not in itself all bad (Lord knows the NSA wasn't exactly idle under Bush and we got the Patriot Act and NDAA acts to prove it) but the criticism of waterboarding, aligning with Code Pink and DemocracyNow and ilk like that, OK, come on, now...and guys who think a cabal of conservatives is running a shadow government...clowns who think Israel is the problem not batshyt nuts islaminals...people who actively took part in Gaza flotillas...oh and our Minnestupid girl Rowley who excelled at pissing off veterans and ran an add that compared (a relatively moderate Conservative Republican) John Kline to Col.Klink!

Yeah, try again ZH clowns, find some more loony-toons to trumpet your virulent Russophile point of view!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2014, 11:54:08 AM
Kremlin foreign-policy aide Yuri Ushakov said Russia hadn’t sent troops to Ukraine and sought to calm nerves over comments attributed to Putin in a report yesterday in La Repubblica. Putin told European Commission President Jose Barroso that: “If I want, I could take Kiev in two weeks,” according to the Italian newspaper, which didn’t identify a source for the information.

The remarks were taken out of context, Ushakov told reporters today in Moscow, saying that the disclosure of details from the conversation is undiplomatic and “unworthy of a serious political player.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/russia-says-u-s-europe-incite-party-of-war-in-ukraine.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-02/russia-says-u-s-europe-incite-party-of-war-in-ukraine.html)

 ::hysterical::

"...serious political player"!  Yeah, out of context...  How so?  Oh, you don't get into that part of it, too busy evacuating vodka by-product on others...

Stupid mongrel...

Invade, I dare ya, would be the best thing for the Baltics to learn, they ought to go the Iran route and build an illegal nuke program if they wat to stay independent!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 05, 2014, 11:40:50 AM
Warms my heart to see this!   ::grouphug::

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/grandfathers-school-teachers-steel-workers-women-take-up-arms-to-repel-pro-russian-rebels/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/grandfathers-school-teachers-steel-workers-women-take-up-arms-to-repel-pro-russian-rebels/)

If only we would react the same way to statists in our midst...   :'(
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2014, 06:44:38 AM
I guess the hardcore Russophiles at ZeroHedge are arguing that might makes right...so trying to punish your supplier is just stupid I guess, no matter what they might do...your the bitch, get used to it...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/europe-goes-all-will-sanction-rosneft-gazprom-neft-and-transneft (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-07/europe-goes-all-will-sanction-rosneft-gazprom-neft-and-transneft)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 09, 2014, 08:47:32 AM
Rabid Russophiles at ZeroHedge are dead certain a Ukrainian Su-25 shot down MH17, because, well, Russian data says so!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-09/mh17-was-struck-multiple-high-energy-objects-outside-aircraft-crash-report-reveals (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-09/mh17-was-struck-multiple-high-energy-objects-outside-aircraft-crash-report-reveals)

I note how they make this bold statement - "No evidence or indications of manipulation of the recorders were found."

And then go on to display this piece of the ATC transscript -

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2014/09/ATC%20transcript_0.jpg)

Which offers no indication by any party on the ground or from MH17 that there were any Ukrainian military jets in the area...just the ironclad info via Mother Russia which could never ever in a million years be doctored.

And I guess in those empty 4 seconds between last contact and no contact the Russophiles are disappointed the stupid Malaysians didn't blurt out "Ukraine Su-25 at 1 O'clock!" before the Russian Buk missile slammed into their fuselage!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 10, 2014, 07:36:15 AM
Gas cuts starting...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-10/russian-retaliation-begins-gazprom-limiting-eu-gas-cuts-poland-supplies-20-past-two- (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-10/russian-retaliation-begins-gazprom-limiting-eu-gas-cuts-poland-supplies-20-past-two-)

Hey, remember what happened when FDR cut off oil to Japan?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 17, 2014, 07:39:51 AM
This piece at ZH is actually kind of funny to read...you can just hear and feel the wailing and angst that both Russophiles and Rooskies experienced when they learned NATO actually practiced a little Rooskie-like deception and snuck arms and munititions to their pals in Ukraine right under Rooskie noses and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/washingtons-bait-and-switch-nato-armed-kiev-under-cover-ceasefire (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-16/washingtons-bait-and-switch-nato-armed-kiev-under-cover-ceasefire)

Yeah, I feel your pain...yet I find it hilarious and ironic!   ::evilbat::

Sucks when totalitarians get Melvin'd, eh?   ;D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2014, 07:58:42 AM
Yeah, uhh huh..."in repsonse" my arse!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-17/russia-deploy-full-scale-military-unit-crimea (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-17/russia-deploy-full-scale-military-unit-crimea)

I guess the Rooskies and their cheerleaders think most people are stupid enough to think that after illegally seizing the Crimea that the Russian's wouldn't militarize the acquisition...

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2014, 11:34:35 AM
Russians beating the crap out of journalists...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/bbc-crew-badly-beaten-in-southern-russia/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/bbc-crew-badly-beaten-in-southern-russia/)

...OK, now that is a fad that could catch on fire here too...but in this case, well...

...maybe we'll hear stories on ZeroHedge how these clowns had it coming?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2014, 11:36:26 AM
Looks like the Euro's blinked on the gas front to me...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-26/russia-ukraine-reach-preliminary-agreement-on-interim-gas-price.html (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-26/russia-ukraine-reach-preliminary-agreement-on-interim-gas-price.html)

Now, back to the illegal seizure of land!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2014, 07:35:40 AM
Could Vlad be losing it?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-10-15/putin-warns-nuclear-power-consequences-if-attempts-blackmail-russia-dont-stop)

See?  He cannot help but revert to his Soviet roots, to him the Soviet Regime holds an allure he cannot let go of, the sweet taste of power and being a key cog in the KGB had to be like heaven for such a man!

Surely, this has to come as a shock to the hardcore Russophiles at ZeroHedge, that their hero, their idol, their paragon of virtue...the ultimate Strong Man in a world gone mad...is cracking under what I thought were pointless, futile and meaningless sanctions by the US & EU...but if Vlad is going back to his Soviet persona so quickly...perhaps the pain in the PetroRuble is starting to get the other Oligarch's restless and they are prodding him to do something?!

This is going to have to be watched very closely!  Obama is just stupid enough to tease too much and have his arm ripped off...

 ::saywhat::

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2014, 07:17:49 AM
Russia trying to re-extend its military presence...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/russia-bolsters-military-presence-former-soviet-states (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/16/russia-bolsters-military-presence-former-soviet-states)

...but it will never fully recover its former Soviet size...

...and lets see how far back this renovation project gets pushed with the PetroRuble being beaten to a pulp.

And since it is their policy to cozy up to the Islaminal partner they see as being the sole surviving Musloid power once all the slaughtering is done (once the House of Saud falls, they'll all be killing each other to claim the spoils!)...no wonder they have been providing them with nuclear technology and material, weapons and the like.

But pardon me if I don't get jazzed up over a naval exercise in a land-locked pond (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_IRAN_RUSSIA?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-16-46-09)...and use of the word fleet to describe two ships?  I've seen bigger fleets on local lakes!

Anyway...after all these years I still cannot figure out how Russia plans to survive with a Persian Caliphate dominating Central Asia and the Middle East?  I guess they figure to be sweethearts-4-ever!

Stupid mongrels!

More evidence not all is sunshine and roses in Russia...

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20141013.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20141013.aspx)

...maybe more pics of a shirtless Vlad strutting around will fix things?   ::hysterical::

Anyway, and I find this little telling bit of news to be interesting...

"There have been some interesting encounters between these volunteers and highly trained Russian troops.. During one of the incidents highly trained Omega (spetsnaz) commandos who were hiding, along with some local rebels, behind their BTR armored vehicles as they had been trained to do. But then the Ukrainian volunteers simply rushed furiously at the enemy and succeeded in capturing the rebels. The rebels, including some regular Russian soldiers, were confused about what these Ukrainians were doing and before they could open fire they were surrounded and captured, with a few of them wounded. This was one of the first battles involving the 1st Reserve Battalion."

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htworld/articles/20141016.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htworld/articles/20141016.aspx)

Heh, Russia committing their best and most experienced, and their Spetsnaz, and get handled like this?  Wow.  And they are having a hard time telling widows and orphans where/why their father is dead?  Yeah, that's a shame.  Just think, if we can get better anti-armor weapons to these guys, they'd have another Afghanistan on their hands, and maybe then they wouldn't be so upitty and power/territory mad!

(http://tpc.pc2.netdna-cdn.com/images/Back-from-the-Dead-600.jpg)

H/T - http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/back-from-the-dead-the-return-of-the-evil-empire-t14745.html (http://www.thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/back-from-the-dead-the-return-of-the-evil-empire-t14745.html)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 21, 2014, 11:59:52 AM
Not a bad read...

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/vladimir-putins-coup-112025.html (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/vladimir-putins-coup-112025.html)

...but I dispute how toothless the Oligarchs are, Putin still needs many of them to survive and alienating the West means he'll have to rely even more on those inside the nation.

Still, I wouldn't mind if Putin suffers the demise most every single despot enjoys in the end...

And then the fight for the power can render them asunder for all I care...they are about as interested in peaceful coexistence as the bloody Islaminals!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on October 21, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
  If oil prices keep dropping Russia will fold.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2014, 07:10:29 AM
It's why the Chi-Com's trotted out a bullshyt report yesterday announcing their growth rate above exepectations...

...it was all designed to halt the bleeding for their Rooskie pals...

...and it worked...sweet crude refrained from dropping below 80 and is now settled in the mid-82 range.

By the time reality is revealed, they are hoping something else has picked up the slack in demand.

Just in the past year and a half the PetroRouble has declined against the heavily diluted Dollar 30%.

The Russian's can't afford the oil to drop any further, they begged their Chi-Com pals for help, they got it, and now we'll find out in the months to come if there are additional strings attached.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2014, 08:44:35 AM
Rooskie votes in captured lands and nuclear missile tests, just swell.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/russia-conducts-full-nuclear-triad-preparedness-test-launches-topol-m-icbm-over-week (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-03/russia-conducts-full-nuclear-triad-preparedness-test-launches-topol-m-icbm-over-week)

It's looking pre-1929-ish economic-wise and now this makes it all look pre-WWII geopolitical-wise.

Ain't it great to be alive right now?  What's gonna kill is all first, eh?  Take your pick!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2014, 11:18:21 AM
Sperm Donor, er, Vlad the Nation Inhaler...SEND IN THE ARMORED UNITS!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/tank-column-crosses-russia-ukraine-kiev-military-115026097.html (http://news.yahoo.com/tank-column-crosses-russia-ukraine-kiev-military-115026097.html)

Meanwhile, Sperm Lovers, er ZeroHedge Russophiles, are strangley quiet...but they are in the odd position of cheering against their Peak Oil! mantra long enough to blame the crashing BRIC currencies on that rascally old PetroDollar (and conveniently ignoring the PetroRuble exists too!)...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-07/petrodollar-dominoes-how-strong-dollar-slamming-oil-exporters-and-other-brics (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-07/petrodollar-dominoes-how-strong-dollar-slamming-oil-exporters-and-other-brics)

Whatever.  I like cheap oil, I like that it hurts the megalomoniacal Rooskies and the rest of the BRICs as a side benefit.

War, I guess ZHers get off on it, when it is led by their Dear Leader!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2014, 10:34:27 AM
Holy Crap!  Y'all got to read these two articles!  Cameron and Abbott really go after Vlad and mock him openly!  ETA - Canada's Harper too, didn't mean to leave him out!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11232995/Vladimir-Putin-to-leave-G20-early-after-tense-meeting-with-David-Cameron.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/11232995/Vladimir-Putin-to-leave-G20-early-after-tense-meeting-with-David-Cameron.html)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/g20-summit-enter-putin-accompanied-by-four-warships-to-the-sound-of-mockery-9862465.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/g20-summit-enter-putin-accompanied-by-four-warships-to-the-sound-of-mockery-9862465.html)

This confrontation over Ukraine is really a proxy for the West in that it just brought to a head all the crap Russia has been pulling over the years, and Vlad cannot be ignorant that Russia is about to be frozen out and left to its ChiCom and other BRIC buddies, and it puts into fresh perspective their gold hoardings.  I think this thing is far from over and could get nastier.  Man, if we only had a real man for a leader!

(http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/article9862654.ece/alternates/w620/Putin-2.jpg)

I've never seen Vlad and the Rooskies look so uncomfortable, not since the fall of the Soviet Empire anyway.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on November 15, 2014, 12:07:28 PM
From the first link:

Quote
Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, told Mr Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand, but I'll only have one thing to say to you - get out of the Ukraine."

I remember when we had leaders in America like this. Way to go Stephen!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2014, 03:10:00 PM
From the first link:

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Stephen Harper, the Canadian Prime Minister, told Mr Putin: "I guess I'll shake your hand, but I'll only have one thing to say to you - get out of the Ukraine."

I remember when we had leaders in America like this. Way to go Stephen!

Indeed, well done!   ::clapping::

And thanks for the catch, I didn't mean to slight Canada, so I edited my first post.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2014, 08:48:46 AM
Wow.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/kissinger-warns-we-need-new-world-order-ukraine-should-forget-crimea-nato (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-18/kissinger-warns-we-need-new-world-order-ukraine-should-forget-crimea-nato)

How effed up are ZHer's when they can trot out Kissinger and hold him up as a person worth listening too when just about everything else he's stood for has been vilified by ZHer's? 

I think this says more about the desperation of hardcore PaulBots to regain some pro-Russia traction than it does about anything appraching the soundness of Kissinger's thinking on this subject!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2014, 07:39:42 AM
OK, I only see this as illsutrating one consistent fact, well two facts if you count my continued criticism of ZeroHead's Russophilia...

(http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2014/08/20140818_southstream_0.png)

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/putin-kills-south-stream-pipeline-will-build-new-massive-pipeline-turkey-instead (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/putin-kills-south-stream-pipeline-will-build-new-massive-pipeline-turkey-instead)

First, Vlad didn't seem too eager to use the South Stream once he invaded Ukraine and annexed Crimea, it was necessitated once he pissed off Ukraine, but now, he's pissed off all of Europe, despite their oft stated desire to be pals with Europe: (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-01/tensions-between-us-russia-are-worse-you-realize-%E2%80%93-foreign-minister-sergey-lavrov) "There is no doubt that the European Union is our largest collective partner. No one intends to “shoot himself in the foot” by renouncing cooperation with Europe, although it is now clear that business as usual is no longer an option. This is what our European partners are telling us, but neither do we want to operate the old way. They believed that Russia owed them something, while we want to be on an equal footing. For this reason, things will never be the same again. That said, I’m confident that we will be able to overcome this period, lessons will be learned and a new foundation for our relations will emerge." - Ivy League Buttpuppets ZeroHeaders typically denounce.

Yeah, stiffing economic partners, rewarding more moonbat regimes like Erdogan's Turkey...yeah, good luck with that.  All this is guaranteeing is war!

"The similarities to the period just before WWI are indeed striking, as Niall Ferguson noted in an excellent Op-Ed in August."

Yeah, and Russia is palying the role of the Hun this go around!

And, because I almost forgot...kinda makes this retarded decision by O'Bongo (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=4879.msg53867#msg53867) look even worse, just think of the nice toys we could deploy around the mongrels using these islands?

Anway, the whole Russian hope is to drive a wedge between Europe and the US, that way the Rooskies can have economic and therefore political and military hegemony over the entire region, but Vlad the Nation-Inhaler screwed all that up by invading Ukraine and seizing Crimea, he drove the Euro's right back into the hands of the US!  And right at a time when they were pissed at the US!  The Spying, the Snowden disclosures, the growing unpopularity of supporting missions in Afghanistan and Iraq, economic squabbles...the stupid Russians porked themselves with their lustful longings for Ukraine territory!  And now they and their ass-kissing Russophiles are blaming the West for their own stupidity and blame them for driving them into the hands of moonbats like Turkey, Iran and the BRICs!

Whatever, revel in your stupidity!  The Russians are driving everyone to war, and war will come one way or another.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 02, 2014, 02:11:42 PM
If the Euros are bristling at having to be back in America's camp, a situation required by Russian belligerence, then they have only themselves to blame. They could develop some semblance of military independence instead of outsourcing it all to us. But they made the decision to let the American taxpayer bear the costs of their defense so that they could instead put that money into their nanny state welfare programs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 03, 2014, 07:14:30 AM
If the Euros are bristling at having to be back in America's camp, a situation required by Russian belligerence, then they have only themselves to blame. They could develop some semblance of military independence instead of outsourcing it all to us. But they made the decision to let the American taxpayer bear the costs of their defense so that they could instead put that money into their nanny state welfare programs.

You got that right!  And I think the bloody Russians would be easier to tame if they would take a more enegetic role in their own defense, because then the Russians would have a unified Europe and an independent America trying to broker amity to contend with and driving a wedge between the Euros and US would be a lot harder if the Euros were the ones doing the heavy lifting because they would be there, on Russia's borders and no American boogeyman to taunt.

Oh well, somebody should have put an American expiration date on NATO, not a hard date per se, but a step up by this decade or bite me!

Hindsight...it comes from the hind end! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2014, 07:22:03 AM
Wow, what a stunning load of shyt!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-04/putin-offers-full-amnesty-money-repatriation-threatens-crackdown-against-fx-speculat (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-04/putin-offers-full-amnesty-money-repatriation-threatens-crackdown-against-fx-speculat)

Anybody tempted into beleiving or trusting this clown one iota should do everyone else a favor and just blow their brains out!

It would be comparable to trusting Obama!   ::speechless::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2014, 02:51:18 PM
OK, here we go.  In light of the recent War over the Ruble (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=12472.msg139180;topicseen#msg139180) it seems a little known (I heard of no discussion on it in the Me-Di-Uhh) provision in Cromnibus that penalizes Russia some more (targeting the oil industry) and on its face seems ominous enough (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-16/obama-sign-lethal-us-aid-ukraine-end-week-russian-response-follow) but when you read the actual Senate bill (http://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-congress/senate-bill/2828) it reserves the harsher sancitons on oil & gas industry and the ominously portrayed "lethal support" to Ukraine only if economic coercion (refusal of gas service) is exerted by Russia.  So, it all seems nefarious, but in reality it is a prudent attempt to moderate Russian activity in the region.  You will note there is nothing in there to declare a new strategic goal on the ground there - no expulsion of Russia for annexed territory, merely a maintenance of the status quo while each side consolidates.

Sadly though, much like pre-war America under the idiot FDR, strong men with a poor opinion of America, its people and especially its leader...will not act reasonably so an inexorable lurch towards war could be approaching, and like the idiots in FDR's regime who gutted the military and allowed enemies to grow stronger...this time around that stupid sh*t will not go unpunished and the results are likely to be more horrific and disasterous.

Helping Ukraine and her sister neighbors is the right thing to do, but making it an American-led effort instead of a European-led effort and having the useless dreck we have in this Regime is not the recipe for success!

 ::pullhair::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2014, 11:50:14 AM
It is very likely that Vlad the Nation Inhaler...

...this is a good pic of him...

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Rooskies/Putin_Ukraine_Cocaine_zps516de61e.jpg)

...is insane, like Persian-Mahdi-Nuke kind of insane...


“It’s not payback for Crimea. It’s the cost of our natural desire to preserve Russia as a nation, a civilization and a state,” Putin said.
 
The president said that even if “the Russian bear” started “sitting tight… and eating berries and honey,” this would not stop pressure being applied against the country.
 
“They won’t leave us alone. They will always seek to chain us. And once we are chain, they’ll rip out our teeth and claws. Our nuclear deterrence, speaking in present-day terms,” Putin said.
 
“As soon as this [chaining the bear] happens, nobody will need it anymore. They’ll stuff it. And start to put their hands on his Taiga [Siberian forest belt] after it. We’ve heard statements from Western officials that Russia’s owning Siberia was not fair,” he exclaimed.
 
“Stealing Texas from Mexico – was that fair? And us having control over our own land is not fair. We should hand it out!”

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/vladimir-putin-the-west-wants-to-chain-russian-bear-pull-its-teeth-and-stuff-it-video/ (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12/vladimir-putin-the-west-wants-to-chain-russian-bear-pull-its-teeth-and-stuff-it-video/)

Wow.  This fvcking nutbar is way off the reservation...even if this is little better than red-meat propaganda for his brain-dead citizens...there has to be some kernel of personal beliefs in this blather, and to think this crazy little ex-KGB assclown has nukes and sh*t ought to make people piss their pants!

Hey, Vlad?  You are insane.  I've heard rants like this from the likes of such stellar humans as Pol Pot, Slobodan Milesovic and Adolph Hitler...so it appears you are just as batsh*t fvcking insane as those assclowns!  What do you say to that?  What do you say to people who see your aggression in Estonia, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine...see your murdering of opposition members like Litvenenko in London and reporter Anna Politkovskaya...see you using Gazprom as a weapon against Europe like some sort of power-mad Czar or demented General Secretary?

(http://i585.photobucket.com/albums/ss291/libertasinfinitio/Rooskies/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsr3kumq02.gif)

Yeah, laugh it up you little psycho...chances are once you render your nation into ruins your own people will give you the Mussolini treatment!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 18, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
I was born during the Carter administration, so I have no memory of it, but I always hear Rush and others talking about the country's national malaise, and how Reagan swept in and restored pride and confidence in ourselves. I definitely do remember the Reagan years.

Is this how it was in Carter's national malaise?  I think this must be worse even.  Because I certainly feel a malaise now.  It makes me angry that we are a weakening country, especially to know that it's an entirely deliberate weakening.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on December 18, 2014, 01:26:05 PM
I was born during the Carter administration, so I have no memory of it, but I always hear Rush and others talking about the country's national malaise, and how Reagan swept in and restored pride and confidence in ourselves. I definitely do remember the Reagan years.

Is this how it was in Carter's national malaise?  I think this must be worse even.  Because I certainly feel a malaise now.  It makes me angry that we are a weakening country, especially to know that it's an entirely deliberate weakening.

I remember the malaise. The difference (to me) is that I was a teen then and full of hope. In the intervening years I've had all of that foolishness beaten out of me. I think that I can relate (at least theoretically) to youngsters today who choose blissful ignorance over what is definitely a downer but IMO there are a lot more cynics these days compared to the carter years.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2014, 02:02:02 PM
The Carter years were the culmination of the first great decline of the America-the-way-it-used-to-be.  For many (including in my parents day) the highwater mark was the Eisenhower Administration, at that point American had never been more powerful.  Then with the youthful energetic JFK people thought (as did my parents) that a new era was beginning, that a new generation born out of depression and war and emerged victorious over both was about to usher in a new age of greatness, prosperity and enlightenment...

It was of course all a complete sham.  JFK won largely with Daddy's help, the dead voting in Chicago and JFK himself cheating (by taking notes) in the televised debate with Nixon that people listening thought Nixon won hands down but whom the TV age boobs gave JFK the win.  This marked the advent of a false prophet, and ideal that could not be met, a flawed leader who had the morals of a feral rabbit and relied upon family for advice over all others, a novice who was ill-prepared to met the Soviet menace and barely he (and we) survived it, and then he was unfairly struck down in the prime of life (another myth) and people began to be jaded about power and those in and around it.

Mid-JFK the Soviets scared the pants of us by launching the first satellite into space before our captured Nazi scientists managed to launch anything.  The era of duck-and-cover became more real and the proxy wars hotter.  And those latter were micromanged like nothing before and failure was already baked in and became just another item on the buffet of failure.  Then that complete fustercluck Johnson, tough-talking commie-killer by day and lunatic socialist welfare state expander extraordinaire by night.  Still, the American post-war economy hummed, we were still #1, despite being ruled by idiots and despite increasing societal rot (stinking hippies and proto-FemiNazis and eco-tards) and despite structural weakness in our economy and industry that would be exploited by Asia and other emerging economies.

Nixon brought a new pragmatism that had all Country Club proto-Ruling Class Pubbies giddy with possibilities, and his electoral thrashing of McGovern seemed to cement this power block into place...until Deep Throat and a ravenous press that had begun to swing wildly left got wind of a minor office break-in and that toppled a President for the first time in history based solely on his own character flaws.

The oil crisis, inflation, a nothing leader like Ford, malaise had fertile ground in 1976, and Carter ran as the not-Nixon/not-Ford candidate and America got a middle manager as POTUS who was a neophyte on foreign policy (and it showed, nothing higher than the abysmal Iranian Hostage affair and the disastrous rescue op) and a neophyte on economic issues (and it showed by a worsening economy, stagflation, unemployment, industry absolutely hammered by foreign competition who had no high labor union wages or burdensome government regulations or taxation) and malaise took on new meaning and Carter's face was the poster boy for it.  I was in the Navy at this time, morale was in the sh*tter, nobody felt optimistic about anything.  The Left did a great job advancing this, people being leveled into the same unhappy state should have been their Nirvana moment, but Carter was the Wong guy to exploit it. 

As a result Reagan swept in with simple clarity - government is the problem, government is too big, government takes and consumes too much, people need to be allowed to unleash their potential free of interference, etc.  He was the Anti-Carter, the Anti-Uncle Handout, and he kicked electoral ass, twice.  Nobody has approached his election numbers since. 

And the Democrats became harder left, harder socialists and the Pubbies returned to Ruling Class hands and its been back down the drain ever since.

Carter redefined malaise...now Obama is redefining the drain and breeds hatred and apathy like nothing ever before seen.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 18, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
Wow, Libertas; that's as good a summation as I've ever read.   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Glock32 on December 18, 2014, 07:45:39 PM
Yes, that was awesome.  We should sticky that :)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 18, 2014, 11:42:39 PM
I apologize; I have no idea how to sticky one post. so my advice (unless IDP steps in) is to copy and save for yourself. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2014, 07:29:55 AM
I corrected all my spelling errors in the original, I just unloaded that like a sinner at confession, I didn't want to interrupt the flow.  I guess I did OK if folks liked it.  I place no reservation on the use of anything I post, if it benefits just one persons understanding that's good enough for me.

 ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 19, 2014, 08:07:38 PM
The Carter years were the culmination of the first great decline of the America-the-way-it-used-to-be.  For many (including in my parents day) the highwater mark was the Eisenhower Administration, at that point American had never been more powerful.  Then with the youthful energetic JFK people thought (as did my parents) that a new era was beginning, that a new generation born out of depression and war and emerged victorious over both was about to usher in a new age of greatness, prosperity and enlightenment...

It was of course all a complete sham.  JFK won largely with Daddy's help, the dead voting in Chicago and JFK himself cheating (by taking notes) in the televised debate with Nixon that people listening thought Nixon won hands down but whom the TV age boobs gave JFK the win.  This marked the advent of a false prophet, and ideal that could not be met, a flawed leader who had the morals of a feral rabbit and relied upon family for advice over all others, a novice who was ill-prepared to met the Soviet menace and barely he (and we) survived it, and then he was unfairly struck down in the prime of life (another myth) and people began to be jaded about power and those in and around it.

Mid-JFK the Soviets scared the pants of us by launching the first satellite into space before our captured Nazi scientists managed to launch anything.  The era of duck-and-cover became more real and the proxy wars hotter.  And those latter were micromanged like nothing before and failure was already baked in and became just another item on the buffet of failure.  Then that complete fustercluck Johnson, tough-talking commie-killer by day and lunatic socialist welfare state expander extraordinaire by night.  Still, the American post-war economy hummed, we were still #1, despite being ruled by idiots and despite increasing societal rot (stinking hippies and proto-FemiNazis and eco-tards) and despite structural weakness in our economy and industry that would be exploited by Asia and other emerging economies.

Nixon brought a new pragmatism that had all Country Club proto-Ruling Class Pubbies giddy with possibilities, and his electoral thrashing of McGovern seemed to cement this power block into place...until Deep Throat and a ravenous press that had begun to swing wildly left got wind of a minor office break-in and that toppled a President for the first time in history based solely on his own character flaws.

The oil crisis, inflation, a nothing leader like Ford, malaise had fertile ground in 1976, and Carter ran as the not-Nixon/not-Ford candidate and America got a middle manager as POTUS who was a neophyte on foreign policy (and it showed, nothing higher than the abysmal Iranian Hostage affair and the disastrous rescue op) and a neophyte on economic issues (and it showed by a worsening economy, stagflation, unemployment, industry absolutely hammered by foreign competition who had no high labor union wages or burdensome government regulations or taxation) and malaise took on new meaning and Carter's face was the poster boy for it.  I was in the Navy at this time, morale was in the sh*tter, nobody felt optimistic about anything.  The Left did a great job advancing this, people being leveled into the same unhappy state should have been their Nirvana moment, but Carter was the Wong guy to exploit it. 

As a result Reagan swept in with simple clarity - government is the problem, government is too big, government takes and consumes too much, people need to be allowed to unleash their potential free of interference, etc.  He was the Anti-Carter, the Anti-Uncle Handout, and he kicked electoral ass, twice.  Nobody has approached his election numbers since. 

And the Democrats became harder left, harder socialists and the Pubbies returned to Ruling Class hands and its been back down the drain ever since.

Carter redefined malaise...now Obama is redefining the drain and breeds hatred and apathy like nothing ever before seen.


   ::clapping::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2014, 06:35:38 AM
Former KGB thug turned Russian political thug sure has been successful in shutting down opposition politicians and media, got that whole "hate America" thing recycled and in widespread use! (http://observer.com/2014/12/russians-rage-against-america/)

This is more than just sanctions, this is a classic Rooskie temper tantrum.  Usually the only time you see hate like this ginned up is as a prelude to war.

And Obama is anything but a hard target.  This shyt would have been laughed at and ridiculed by Ronaldus Magnus!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 13, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
Rooskies say their illegal unlawful and violent invasion and territorial theft in Ukraine is going poorly and they have to step up their posturing in the region to save face. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-13/russia-increase-combat-capabilities-crimea-sees-ukraine-conflict-worsening)

Whatever.

Up yours, Vlad!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2015, 07:11:16 AM
A shot accross the EU bow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russia-cuts-ukraine-gas-supply-6-european-countries)

...but will Czar Vlad carry through with the bluff if called and kick everyone in the groin?

This should be an EU affair only, but, too late, and O'Bongo will only eff things up worse.  This could get ugly.

And in more retaliation...Rooskie Oligarchs dumping pricey holding in America...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russian-buyer-thing-past-oligarchs-rush-sell-us-real-estate (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-14/russian-buyer-thing-past-oligarchs-rush-sell-us-real-estate)

...which I am completely indifferent to...their Oligarch, our Oligarchs...who wins or loses the result is the same for all of us...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2015, 08:03:06 AM
Ukraine is calling, pot stakes are rising.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/ukraine-president-signs-mobilization-decree-50000-be-drafted (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-15/ukraine-president-signs-mobilization-decree-50000-be-drafted)

A not unexpected response to the Russian's cutting gas to the Southeastern EU states.

Vlad's move.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2015, 07:26:55 AM
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/leaders-scramble-avert-dramatic-spiral-ukraine-143455277--sector.html

Pathetic.

Merkel and Hollande go to Minsk and get zip, and why would they?  The EU looks weak, they are unwilling to support Ukraine with real arms and munitions, Obama is keeping arms and munitions out of it and is otherwise paralyzed to do anything...all Putin has to do is wait and watch...and meanwhile more die so Russia can steal more territory.  This is like Pre-WWII all over again, this time Putin has the Hitler role and Merkel has the Chamberlain role...and then there is Stmie who has no role because never has the US been led by one who loathes America as much as her enemies...

Embrace the horror...it will only increase...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 07:39:01 AM
So much of this report is so much PaulBotish balderdash (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-10/how-russia-plans-retaliate-saudi-driven-collapse-oil), there is no way Putin stops supporting Syria, if for no other reason it pisses the West off and supports their arms exports.  And there is no way the threat to share sensitive tech with their Chi-Com buddies that would imperial US Naval forces in the Asiatic theater is close to genuine - they have already shared with them or have nothing to share with them they don't already have (since they've had the keys to the US patent office at least as far back as the Clinton Administration!) so that tidbit is pure BS!  The one thing I could buy the Rooskies doing is egging on their Iranian pals to stir sh*t up in the Gulf as a means to drive oil prices back up so they can give their hookers and distillers a break!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 12:31:57 PM
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20150209.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20150209.aspx)

Good for Poland.  They remember what being under the Russian boot feels like.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2015, 12:38:45 PM
Keep flapping your yap, the more you do the more likely it is you'll get what you moan for! (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-11/russia-warns-us-supplying-arms-ukraine-will-have-dramatic-outcome)

Seriously?  This from the mongrels who sell weapons and munitions to every scumbag terrorist, dictator, commissar and mufti on the fricken planet?

Bugger off, mongrels!   ::doublebird::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2015, 06:55:48 AM
The new Minsk cease fire agreement (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-12/ukraine-ceasefire-deal-agreed-after-negotiations-all-nighter-doubts-remain-about-its) on its face looks extremely Russia-friendly, so it is almost certain to fall apart...at least if I were Ukraine I'd feel a bit molested by both Russians and Euro's.

But this temporary aparent victory is no solace for a Russia that is still very fragile in ego (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-11/putins-top-security-advisor-current-us-approach-leads-inevitable-confrontation-russi), one thing stays the same...they whine and piss and moan about every bloody nauseating little thing real and especially imagined...

What a bunch of petty bullies and petulant little crybabies!

To be Russian is to be a jackass!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Gosh, what a shock.  I've never seen an enemy use a truce to surround, attack and consolidate more territory before!

/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/hundreds-ukraine-troops-surrender-besieged-town-debaltseve-falls-rebels (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-18/hundreds-ukraine-troops-surrender-besieged-town-debaltseve-falls-rebels)

It's almost, like, this was all planned...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2015, 08:18:37 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/ukraine-enters-hyperinflation-currency-trading-halted-soon-we-will-wwalk-around-suit (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-25/ukraine-enters-hyperinflation-currency-trading-halted-soon-we-will-wwalk-around-suit)

This is probably when the West looks to find the nearest exit...probably a key component in the Russian design for conquest most people forgot about...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on March 01, 2015, 12:02:22 PM
  When the Ukraine decides that they are willing to die en masse the world will do nothing to help. You have to have  a slauter of Biblical proportions to shame the SOB IN CHIEF to do something and he will only do it if the dems force him because they have to run and win.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2015, 07:07:52 AM
This should be another EU led show, but Obama is no Clinton (snort!) and Ukraine is no Kosovo and the MFM doesn't care and the EU is impotent...so yes, the Ukrainian people are totally porked.  Then the question is "Who next gets eaten by Russia"?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2015, 12:01:28 PM
ZH had an article out earlier pooh-poohing EU statements about Russia building up more forces in the Ukraine area in favor of slamming the West for providing tanks to Ukraine...and article not mentioning beyond that, since it appears the Russians have been and continuing to build up in the region as well as turning up the heat on the West all over the globe (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20150310.aspx), so...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2015, 08:23:21 AM
We can laugh and joke about General Scales being the fictional General Jack D Ripper, but his comments taken in context are completely true...

Just a few short days after former US Army General Robert Scales explained to FOX News that Ukraine is lost, and acknowledged that an ongoing deployment of American troops to Eastern Europe is unlikely to change the situation, and "the only way [The US] can turn the tide is start killing Russians... killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact that Russians are returning to their motherland in body bags,” he has come out defending his statement as the Russian Investigative Committee has opened a criminal probe into his statements. “I’m not concerned at all, I just kind of wish I could take a vacation in Russia but I can guarantee, that’s not going to happen," Scales said, shrugging off Russian 'propaganda' as "a Russian form of war."

It’s the Russia version of the First Amendment – five years in prison if you say something that makes [Russian President] Vladimir Putin angry,” Scales told Fox News.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-15/ex-us-general-defends-his-sanctions-dont-work-start-killing-russians-comment (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-15/ex-us-general-defends-his-sanctions-dont-work-start-killing-russians-comment)

It's all truthful as far as I can tell...like any conflict killing the enemy is a central goal of warfare...duh!  And I think the situation there is probably lost...the Euro's should be taken the load and they aren't, they should be aggresively arming and assisting the Ukrainians and they aren't...so it looks like time is only on the Russian side...and the precedent set here should cause any nation bordering Russia to consider other alternatives than help from the Euro's or America...

It seems might makes right after all, eh?  Stupid Euro's...how many times they need to be slaughtered before they learn that lesson?

Hopeless!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2015, 07:40:49 AM
Vlad the Nation-Inhaler takes aim at Denmark...

Russia threatened to aim nuclear missiles at Danish warships if Denmark joins NATO's missile defense system (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/russia-target-denmarks-warships-joins-missile-shield-ambassador-164606187.html)

Yup, not since the bad old days of the late Soviet "Evil Empire" has such rhetoric been unleashed...and not since then have nations been openly crushed and territory seized.

Russia isn't completely to blame though...I mean one can only go so far in blaming a mindless beast for being a mindless beast...it is those routinely preyed upon by mindless beasts throughout history that should have known better and took it upon themselves to look to their own safety first instead of whoring themselves out to a sugar daddy far away...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2015, 07:13:15 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-24/us-house-votes-348-48-arm-ukraine-russia-warns-lethal-aid-will-explode-whole-situati)

US House votes 348-48 to provide lethal aid to Ukraine...as usual the PaulBot-dominated clowns at ZH dutifully don their pro-Putin chapeau's and toss their old non-interventionist hats into the trash can...

It's so easy being a gutless weasel who can flip-flop with the best of them...makes your average PaulBot no different than a DemoProg!

Sure wish those ZH clowns would be idelogically consistent...oh well, nobody's perfect, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 25, 2015, 10:53:36 AM
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Sure wish those ZH clowns would be idelogically consistent...

Where would be the comedic interlude value in that?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2015, 10:55:49 AM
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Sure wish those ZH clowns would be ideologically consistent...

Where would be the comedic interlude value in that?

Heh.  Nice term...comedic interlude...

Something has to break up the constant irritation, we'll take what we can get!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 02, 2015, 08:37:51 AM
Vlad the Nation-Inhaler threatens the West and the Baltic states with "nuclear force" to retain Crimea and keep NATO from deploying assets in the Baltics.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html# (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-threatens-to-use-nuclear-force-over-crimea-and-the-baltic-states-10150565.html#)

Heh, remember that Obama/CodePink-like "stay out of others peoples business...we have no right to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations" retarded mantra so popular at ZeroHedge when America looks to be interefering?  Yeah, well...they've not made one posting about this beligierent statement coming out of Moscow...no doubt they were caught by surprise and are frantically calling RT.com for talking points (who are in turn awaiting instructions from the Kremlin).

Usually, you only get this kind of nuclear threatening from totalitarian regimes and crazy-assed Muzzie outfits...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2015, 07:12:33 AM
Hilarious.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-05/leader-ukraines-ultranationalist-right-sector-appointed-army-advisor (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-05/leader-ukraines-ultranationalist-right-sector-appointed-army-advisor)

Nationalist-expansionist Russians - good.

Nationalist-freedom fighters combating invaders, like Ukraine's "Right Sector" - nationalist, ultranationalist, neofascist, right-wing, or far right.

Hey, if it leads to killing more invaders...that's Ukraine's right.  Suck it up Russophiles!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2015, 07:32:53 AM
EU presses on Gazprom antitrust case, Russophiles whine about spite (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-22/eu-formally-and-spitefully-files-anti-trust-charges-against-gazprom), yeah, boo-fricken-hoo!  Puti acts like Uncle Joe and isn't rewarded with obedience!  Whaaaa!!!!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2015, 11:45:46 AM
Ukraine just made one heck of a blunder!

http://iotwreport.com/?p=285883 (http://iotwreport.com/?p=285883)

And since when are sitting US Senators allowed to be anything to any foreign leader?

The US senator said he would be honored to take up the post, adding however that he first had to be cleared by the Senate. (http://jpupdates.com/2015/05/14/ukraine-appoints-us-senator-mccain-presidential-aide/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Maybe we should let the Ruling Class jackass go?  Cruel to Ukraine...but nice to get his Manchurian ass outta here!   :D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 28, 2015, 07:45:04 AM
http://www.weaselzippers.us/224850-russia-masses-heavy-firepower-on-border-with-ukraine/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/224850-russia-masses-heavy-firepower-on-border-with-ukraine/)

More armor moving...removing identification of armor and personnel is a troubling sign.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 18, 2015, 11:54:23 AM
Vlad misses the deadline and now he cries like a spoiled little brat...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-18/moscow-furious-after-both-belgium-and-france-freeze-russian-state-assets (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-18/moscow-furious-after-both-belgium-and-france-freeze-russian-state-assets)

...boo fricken hoo...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 02, 2015, 08:06:54 AM
This is pretty good stuff here.

http://www.weaselzippers.us/227994-drone-captures-video-of-russian-base-inside-ukraine/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/227994-drone-captures-video-of-russian-base-inside-ukraine/)

This drone footage shows how the Russians (the Russians, not some peasant rebels!) built up a FOB in a couple weeks that poses a direct threat to Ukraine by probing deeper into her sovereign territory.  No doubt they will have reserves coming up at the last minute before any offensive kicks off, and will likely get air support (helo and fixed-wing) from Russian units closer to the border.

Yeah, this is no indigenous uprising, this is clear naked Russian aggression.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2015, 07:54:10 AM
Ukraine on Monday reported repelling a rare tank assault by pro-Russian rebels that threatened to usher in a dangerous escalation to the 16-month war.

President Petro Poroshenko said about "200 insurgents used tanks to storm" Novolaspa -- a village half-way between the separatists' de facto capital Donetsk and the Kiev-held port of Mariupol -- in a pre-dawn raid that caught government soldiers off guard.

Chief of Staff General Viktor Muzhenko "informed the president that the Ukrainian forces gave a fitting rebuff and repelled all the attacks", the presidency said.

http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reports-heavy-tank-battle-pro-russians-112721169.html (http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-reports-heavy-tank-battle-pro-russians-112721169.html)

I wonder where mere "rebels" got their hands on tanks?  I know, I know...don't ask questions you don't want answers to...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: richb on August 11, 2015, 02:23:26 PM

MH17: 'Russian missile parts' at Ukraine crash site

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2015, 06:43:02 AM

MH17: 'Russian missile parts' at Ukraine crash site

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420 (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33865420)

Fits the early eyewitness reports as well as the rumor that these systems were rolling into this area before that plane went down.  Pretty obvious it was a Russian attempt at a false flag event to pin on Ukraine in an attempt to weaken Western support.  What further proof do people need?  I mean all of the evidence points to Russia and the thugs they are arming...and they still blame Ukraine.  Morons always have a hard time going off script even when the script has been made laughable by events...like progs and their "It's Bush's fault!" mantra, these morons have no choice but to sputter "It's Ukraine!".
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2015, 07:17:03 AM
With things in Ukraine at a virtual stalemate and Russian forces now engaged in Syria...the Russian battle with the West is taking on a more urgent economic front -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11937348/Russia-retreats-to-autarky-as-poverty-looms.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11937348/Russia-retreats-to-autarky-as-poverty-looms.html)

"Autarky" is national economic self-sufficiency...and with $30 oil being too much to hope for...it means more military adventurism to acquire what you cannot import.  The blowback domestically is broke hungry desperate folks going on a rampage...and the government response could trigger any and all manner of bad things.

Strap in...I think this ride is about to get a bit more interesting...

ETA - More on the Russian situation:

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20151021.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/russia/articles/20151021.aspx)

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20151019.aspx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairw/articles/20151019.aspx)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2016, 08:16:15 AM
Hey, remember this little conflict in Ukraine?  Yeah, the one where Vlad rolled in tanks and stole Crimea and seized Eastern provinces of Ukraine?

Yeah, with Syria on hold and an American election coming up it's time to get the war machine rolling in Ukraine again...it was always going to gear up again, it was just a matter of when...

15 people try to break into Crimea...and it's being characterized as an "attack"...and Russophiles are po'd it didn't get all the play it deserved for the Russian point of view...well, anyway...Russia picked up it's marbles and left the peace talks (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-10/russia-pulls-out-ukraine-peace-talks-citing-crimea-attack-videos-detainee-weapons-ca), so it's on to killing again, but not before ginning up some angst against those troublemaking Ukrainians who for some inexplicable reason want to remain independent and retain their territorial integrity and live a life free of Russian interference in their affairs.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/ukraine-puts-troops-near-russia-border-combat-alert-tension-moscow-spikes (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-11/ukraine-puts-troops-near-russia-border-combat-alert-tension-moscow-spikes)

Jeesh.  Crap like that happened all the time back in the early days of the cease fire with North Korea...Russian's are such pussies!

You well, they are spoiling for a fight, still pissed at Europe, angry they cannot always get away with energy extortion, pissed that their athletes are caught being a bunch of dopers...and want to cause some mischief and dick with American elections while they can.

Swell.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2017, 11:52:18 AM
Nothing like a late winter offensive...

(http://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/C4qCcsfUkAAUB3k-1-1024x851.jpg)

http://www.weaselzippers.us/325232-russian-troops-have-attacked-ukranian-positions-139-times-with-heavy-armor-in-the-last-48-hours/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/325232-russian-troops-have-attacked-ukranian-positions-139-times-with-heavy-armor-in-the-last-48-hours/)

...to find out who your friends are...or are not...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2017, 07:13:40 AM
Soros begging to be slain again...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/soros-backed-group-organizes-massive-coal-blockade-ukraine (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-02/soros-backed-group-organizes-massive-coal-blockade-ukraine)

I swear, this clown is Satan's favorite toy other than Obama...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2017, 08:53:36 AM
This is no big deal...

http://thehill.com/policy/international/365906-trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine?__twitter_impression=true (http://thehill.com/policy/international/365906-trump-administration-approves-lethal-arms-sales-to-ukraine?__twitter_impression=true)

...large offensive weapons is what the Ukrainians need...if pushing the Russians out is the goal...which it appears it is not...so the new status quo is just solidifying if anything...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2017, 10:46:33 AM

Long ago I discovered this site mishtalk. The guy is a financial guy but has contacts in Ukraine. Maybe he is from there originally. He provided news from Ukraine that countered official US propaganda.

I recall the US pumped $5 billion into Ukraine to destabilize the country.  I don't really care if the Eastern part of Ukraine breaks away and joins Russia.  Not our problem.




https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk (https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk)

I didn't find much recently.
https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/asininity-from-mccain-send-weapons-to-ukraine-aVpHRZgdYkKLPxdB7su8LQ (https://www.themaven.net/mishtalk/economics/asininity-from-mccain-send-weapons-to-ukraine-aVpHRZgdYkKLPxdB7su8LQ)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2017, 11:32:56 AM
Probably a tool of Gazprom.

But the whole scene is full of bad actors.

I was opposed to the Russian annexation of Crimea and their incursion into Eastern Ukraine...I never bought into the Paulbot BS that Russia has a natural divine right to areas on its periphery (which by that logic we should annex Canada, Northern Mexico, Cuba and any Caribbean island wrongfully possessed by foreign devils!) or because there are people of your nationality living there (which in the case of Russia who in any of those former satellite states doesn't have Russian blood intermingled in their populace?  Seize them all!)...and we as Americans being largely mutts...sh*t, we can annex the world!

But Paulbots always come up short on logic and long on anarchy and love kissing the Russian arse!

The Russian seizures resemble their Soviet days...and for that I condemn them.  And at that time I would have armed them to the teeth.  But Ukraine is fodder for Russian Imperial designs to control energy flow into Europe, they want to be the monopoly and as is their practice wield their control of this life-blood of modern society to impose political terms.  I have no love of the EU, they are ass-clowns of the highest order, both should be kept out of Ukraine, but energy supplies and politics and old hatreds rule the day...so it is the Ukrainian people who suffer.  The largest portion due to typical Russian bullying, next the meddling of Euro-statists and crony-capitalist...and to a lesser but significant extent poor internal leadership that plays off one or the other as a willing proxy to enjoy their position.  It is a pity we could not arm the Ukrainians early on and have them attack both West and East!

Even the Clinton Money Laundering scam and the Uranium One scandal got caught up in this conflict!

It's a mess now, the best that could happen now is everybody settle the hell down, stop the BS and quit looking to get the upper hand...that just keeps the Ukrainian people in the meat-grinder paying the higher price!

The situation stinks to high heaven!   ::outrage::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 30, 2017, 01:47:22 PM
 Trump sold weapons to Ukraine Russia pissed off even though they had nothing to do with the take over.  Interesting logic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 10:25:05 AM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-14/who-do-russians-consider-their-greatest-enemies (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-14/who-do-russians-consider-their-greatest-enemies)

Wouldn't the smart play be to downplay your antagonism and not offer red meat to the statists in America?

I guess not.  See?  There are no "innocents", the lust of elitists everywhere is for the same thing and for the same reasons...hard not to see this not ending on the really bad end of the scale, isn't it?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on January 15, 2018, 03:38:27 PM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

...

Good question. 

And a lot of the "agitprop" that feeds the war-mongering-mania comes from the Russian sponsored news media, i.e. RT and Sputnik.

I don't recall these being around pre-Putin.  And I don't think 68% of the Russian people thought America was their biggest threat pre-Putin,  either,  with Ukraine coming in second at almost 30%. 

I think the answer to your question will have to include SOMETHING about Putin--a BIG something.  My 2 cents,  anyway.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2018, 05:06:37 PM

How many times has the US MSM bashed Russia in the past year?  10,000 times maybe?
The US moved NATO forces to the Russian border after the Russians pulled back.
The US funneled $5 billion to subvert Ukraine.
US influenced a previous Russian election.
The US outspends Russia 10 to 1 on military.

We think of ourselves as the good guys but Russians have a right to their view of that, with our tanks on their border.  The US has accused Russia of economic warfare for building gas pipelines. I believe the US Senate has gone on the record about that as I recall.

Russia has been much better about causing trouble for the US in Latin America and Cuba.
What does it get them?
We gave Ukraine sniper systems. Why shouldn't Russia give such systems to MX narco gangs?

We should pull out of NATO. I don't care about Russia vs Ukraine.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 06:24:40 PM
It is ironic...Russophiles at ZH like to talk about how the DeepState in the US is aching for war and wanting to start sh*t with innocent Mother Russia...but then why is innocent Mother Russia feeding the war-monger-mania?

...

Good question. 

And a lot of the "agitprop" that feeds the war-mongering-mania comes from the Russian sponsored news media, i.e. RT and Sputnik.

I don't recall these being around pre-Putin.  And I don't think 68% of the Russian people thought America was their biggest threat pre-Putin,  either,  with Ukraine coming in second at almost 30%. 

I think the answer to your question will have to include SOMETHING about Putin--a BIG something.  My 2 cents,  anyway.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

It helps him with the masses, the strong man there to protect them from evil like nobody else can.  It also helps fund the Russian MIC/Oligarchy/Syndicates which he cannot cut loose to the wind of chance.

It shows the masses there can be just as stupendously moronic as those here or just about anywhere...and shows what a bunch of Putin gravy gulping idiots troll ZeroHedge!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2018, 06:36:56 PM

How many times has the US MSM bashed Russia in the past year?  10,000 times maybe?
The US moved NATO forces to the Russian border after the Russians pulled back.
The US funneled $5 billion to subvert Ukraine.
US influenced a previous Russian election.
The US outspends Russia 10 to 1 on military.

We think of ourselves as the good guys but Russians have a right to their view of that, with our tanks on their border.  The US has accused Russia of economic warfare for building gas pipelines. I believe the US Senate has gone on the record about that as I recall.

Russia has been much better about causing trouble for the US in Latin America and Cuba.
What does it get them?
We gave Ukraine sniper systems. Why shouldn't Russia give such systems to MX narco gangs?

We should pull out of NATO. I don't care about Russia vs Ukraine.

The Russia-Ukraine thing does piss me off, it's well documented, read this thread from the start.  The original impetus was twofold - 1) Outdated (See Soviet) Russian ego that all former satellites are their natural vassals and 2) kind of related to number one, the belief that they can dominate the region as sole-source energy provider (which after all is just another term for hydraulic despotism - control/fear/extort!).  Then they started lying about Ukrainians being the aggressors, lied about blowing the airliner out of the sky when nobody but them could have pulled it off...all on the heels of outright stealing Crimea.  On these factors alone they are thugs unable to cope with their low self esteem issues.  By using Russian logic there is not a damn thing that should stop us from seizing Cuba and the parts of Canada and Mexico we desire!

On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed.  Screw those losers, never get one damn bit a thanks from them for bailing their ass out of two world wars and keeping the Russian Bear at bay for another 46 years!

I have also stated more than once, we should be allies in combating the Islamo-Fascist threat, but that can only go so far, since the Russians make a ton of money selling tech to batshyt crazies like Syria, Iran and North Korea.  In Syria we should be the hell out of there too, let Russians take that cesspool, getting out of NATO would finally cut us loose from Erdogan's batshyt crazy Turks too!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on January 15, 2018, 09:41:23 PM
...
On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed. 
...

When the Soviet Union collapsed,  it being the reason for a NATO in the first place--a 3 Musketeers,  all for one and one for all defense against Soviet invasion--NATO's raison d'etre collapsed with it.  Instead of disbanding or at least downsizing,  they went on a membership drive,   thus proving once again a Reagan truism:  the closest thing to eternal life here on Earth is a government program.

I think that with the modern day Asian threats--China and NK--a new and improved SEATO treaty would make more sense today,  economically (cheaper) AND strategically.   But when was the last time our government did anything that made good sense? 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2018, 07:55:31 AM
...
On the EU/NATO front they have more to legitimately bitch about IMO.  NATO is no longer needed, the candy-ass Euro-Socialists can pay for their own defense and should have been charged with doing so the moment the Soviet Union collapsed. 
...

When the Soviet Union collapsed,  it being the reason for a NATO in the first place--a 3 Musketeers,  all for one and one for all defense against Soviet invasion--NATO's raison d'etre collapsed with it.  Instead of disbanding or at least downsizing,  they went on a membership drive,   thus proving once again a Reagan truism:  the closest thing to eternal life here on Earth is a government program.

I think that with the modern day Asian threats--China and NK--a new and improved SEATO treaty would make more sense today,  economically (cheaper) AND strategically.   But when was the last time our government did anything that made good sense?

I agree.  The Pacific Rim is where we should be focused, let the Europeans worry about Europe.  Oh, and on record numerous times saying we should have wooed India not Pakistan...would have been better that way...and it would have thrown a wrench in the String of Pearls and BRICS!

Pan started this thread - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.180.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3910.180.html)

We have had lively discussions on it, primarily centered on the Chi-Com "String of Pearls" network.

Other threads related to the String of Pearls and related area interest include:

BRICS -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,991.msg10575.html#msg10575)

Pakistan -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15772.msg169597.html#msg169597 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15772.msg169597.html#msg169597)

Philippines -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14240.msg158066.html#msg158066 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14240.msg158066.html#msg158066)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14380.msg155598.html#msg155598)

Vietnam -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14244.msg154262.html#msg154262 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,14244.msg154262.html#msg154262)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1854.msg21483.html#msg21483 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,1854.msg21483.html#msg21483)

India -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,6518.msg73303.html#msg73303)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,12311.msg137548.html#msg137548 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,12311.msg137548.html#msg137548)

Norks -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15137.msg169082.html#msg169082 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,15137.msg169082.html#msg169082)

And because they are directly related to global issues -

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4585.msg168199.html#msg168199 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,4585.msg168199.html#msg168199)

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.msg147158.html#msg147158 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,913.msg147158.html#msg147158)

Now, get in there and post!   ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 26, 2018, 01:42:08 PM
Russia being a bully again...

https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-demands-russia-release-ukrainian-sailors-ships/4673893.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/ukraine-demands-russia-release-ukrainian-sailors-ships/4673893.html)

Supposed to be free passage in the Kerch Strait, and what threat two warships and a tug present to the mighty Rus Fleet let alone the mighty Rus Empire I don't know...and what "provocations" the Rus imagine were not spelled out, merely an allegation of no notification of passage that Ukraine denies...but that alone is insufficient to seize ships and crew.  Normally I wouldn't side with a Euro-ponce like Stoltenberg, but in this case the Russian claim looks weak.

Might makes right, old as Adam, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2018, 07:52:44 AM
Well, shucks...should have known!

Gazprom.  The Invincible Rus Empire of Vlad the Conquerer threatened by the merest Ukrainian vessel exercising the right of passage so near a vital source of Imperial Life-blood!

(https://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/_2018d215-01-01.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/russian-south-stream-20-comes-out-shadows (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-26/russian-south-stream-20-comes-out-shadows)

Yeah...still waiting on the nature of that threat...

 foottapping
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2018, 07:53:56 AM
Oh jeez, Brits want to sail a destroyer in Black Sea...Russia deploys missiles in Crimea...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/russia-deploys-s-400-missiles-crimea-military-showdown-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-28/russia-deploys-s-400-missiles-crimea-military-showdown-ukraine)

Crimea river!   ::mooning::

But hey, Chi-Com's hopping mad over being told to play fair...threaten ALL OUT WAR.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-27/china-ambassador-warns-dire-consequences-if-no-deal-hints-all-out-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-27/china-ambassador-warns-dire-consequences-if-no-deal-hints-all-out-war)

Cui gotta a purdy mouth...how about put up or shut up?

Okie Dokie boys...we playing WWIII or not?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2018, 07:47:04 AM
ZH cannot cite RT constantly...so their Russophile proxies come into play...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/why-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-baltic-statelets-or-anybody-else (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-06/why-russia-wont-invade-ukraine-baltic-statelets-or-anybody-else)

Kind of a nice fairy tale...Russia is good, Russia is wise, there is no place like Russia...will not invade neighbors, just wait for them to implode...and even then they will not take advantage of them!

In Alfred E. "What, me worry?" Putin we trust.
Title: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: patentlymn on December 07, 2018, 01:38:32 PM

I moved this to an earlier topic.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285)

Title: Re: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2018, 02:44:59 PM
It speaks to the larger Russian-Ukrainian recent history and parallels older generation memory of the dark days behind the curtain of Soviet Russian oppression.  And forget not that Putin is a survivor of Soviet KGB (rose to Lt.Col. in the NKVD), so no stranger to intrigue, prejudice and exploitation is he.   Flash-forward to the invasion into Eastern Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea.  Now, Ukraine is effectively blocked at the Kerch...anything coming from Ukraine in the east on the Sea of Azov or west on the Black Sea is subject to the whimsy of Mother Russia.  I find it hilarious anybody who has pretensions of intelligence buying the poor Russia meme when it is not they who have been invaded and not they who have had territory stolen...or they who must obey their oppressor when traveling east-west or west-east in international waters.  It is also not Ukraine who has fossil fuel pipelines to extort Europe with.

If anybody has a valid gripe and an excuse to seize a ship in port is more likely valid by Ukraine than Russia...but, tit for tat in response to Kerch abuses?  Yeah, why the frick not?  Just like a diplomatic row and ousting consular staff.  All is fair...

Hey?  I've been documenting the crap out of this mess from the start, here - http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.260.html (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.260.html)

Poor misunderstood oft victimized Russian peoples!

 ::ohno::

I feel not their pain.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 07, 2018, 02:57:46 PM
I came across this site that had more details on the Ukraine incident.
It seems factual to me. The guest is biased and says so.
He gives the history of that immediate region. I never heard these details on the MSM. Ukranian skips passed daily under the bridge without problem. Ukraine had decided that any ships visiting Crimea first then visiting a Ukranian port were subject to seizure and had seized Russian ship and sailors, mostly small boats.
Russia is holding the Ukranian sailors for an exchange.
etc.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzEbltuiGg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdzEbltuiGg)

Another video, different guest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvvIuKv7AI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlvvIuKv7AI)

also
The Sea of Azov is the shallowest sea in the world, with the depth varying between 0.9 and 14 metres (2 ft 11 in and 45 ft 11 in).[1][4][5][6][7]
Title: Re: Russia and Ukraine incident
Post by: Pandora on December 07, 2018, 04:33:31 PM

I moved this to an earlier topic.
http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,9929.msg175285.html#msg175285)

Merging this thread with earlier one --
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 10, 2018, 08:51:43 AM
 ::hat-tip::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2018, 08:09:45 AM
Russian tanks massing...more of a continued build up going on a while now.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-09/new-satellite-imagery-shows-hundreds-russian-battle-tanks-amassing-ukraine-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-09/new-satellite-imagery-shows-hundreds-russian-battle-tanks-amassing-ukraine-border)

Bullish for peace and harmony, eh?

A third invasion in the works...what could go wrong?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 11, 2018, 09:54:43 AM
Not our business.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2018, 11:34:21 AM
There is a lot that falls into that category...yet foolish people persist in being foolish, or willing stooges of the DeepState and crony-capitalist cabal...

If not entangled in Europe or its love-hate relationship with its neighbors (that hasn't changed much...has it, despite their shared enlightened socialist sentiments!) maybe our relationship with others as well as their own with each other would be different, funny how old animosities persists, eh?   The collapse of the old Soviet Empire basically fell into the lap of Clinton & Dem's who had little to do with its demise and whom still to this day probably mourn its fall.  What should have been consolidated into a conservative win was corrupted by uninterested politicians looking to reap the supposed guns-into-butter windfall that would ensure domestic obedience and continued rule.  Then Prince Vlad had to create ways to stay in power like an Emperor and devise economic means to tie neighbors into serfdom (fuel!) and reconstitute the Russian Empire to its former girth...and this time with Ukraine the target the Dems, the DeepState, the cronys, the EU et al get panties in a bunch?  Not saying without reason but for the wrong reason.  Ironic all the role reversals and lack of consistency or conscience.  And now...the dark powers have Trump (temporarily?) in a box with relations with Russia so that no cooperation between the two can exist...not on Islamic terrorism, not on economic issues...nothing...only conflict can be allowed.  And the dumb Russians don't help by invading neighbors repeatedly.  But that action seems to be encouraged than discouraged...so why don't we act the same?  Time to seize Cuba, we failed to claim all of it in the Spanish-American War, Gitmo not enough...the whole damn island should be ours!  Monroe Doctrine, Putin Doctrine...don't care what it is called...same rules should apply to all or to none!  Canada and Mexico better keep in line, look out!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: John Florida on December 11, 2018, 02:26:31 PM
  Poland won't let them fall into Ruski hands and if Poland joins were in for it.  They don't trust Russians any closer than they are.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 11, 2018, 06:21:18 PM

We should talk Russia into tearing up our agreement not to invade Cuba.
Trade them Eastern Ukraine for Cuba. Like trading property in Monopoly.
Win win.

I don't care about the corrupt Ukrainian govt at all.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2018, 07:43:46 AM
The people of Ukraine deserve better...it should not be a choice of being the bitch of Russia or the bitch of the EU...those being the only allowable choices dooms all...you would think the memories of Soviet occupation and two world wars ravaging the region would instill a desire for true independence!  The models to seek are Hungary and Poland, but it seems fate as nothing but misery in store for people in this region.  Glad my paternal grandfather GTFO of there when he did.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2018, 08:24:38 AM
People like this moon-pie Ann Garrison annoy the stuff out of me!!!

https://consortiumnews.com/2018/12/13/latest-odds-of-a-shooting-war-between-nato-and-russia/

Blame America and Trump...for Russia violating outright and in spirit the INF treaty and blame America and Trump for not wanting to remain in a broken treaty.

Blame America and Trump for being mean to Russia and insulting to Putin...by not giving Putin everything he desires in Crimea, Ukraine, Syria, Iran.

Bemoan the DeepState coup against Trump and the gleeful assistance of the Democrat-Media Complex...and blame America for that too...while Russia and Putin do nothing to help end it...but who are doing a fantastic job of making it worse...the latest stroke of genius being nuke-capable bombers in Venezuela, which lemme guess...is also America and Trump's fault.

I'm at the point now where I have lost all motivation to give one flying fornication about everything!

Goddamned ignorant fools!  You cannot heap all the blame on one side and act like your poop don't stink when your actions make things far worse, not better!

Screw it, put nukes in Ukraine!  Let the whole damned world burn!  What's the point?  Putin is as trapped by his statist masters as Trump is.

Crack a beer and toast the end of life on planet earth!  There is no overcoming this much idiocy!!!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2019, 11:48:22 AM
"A new life is beginning, a good life, without corruption, without bribes,"

Zelensky, meanwhile, has been criticised for the vagueness of his manifesto, the key pledges of which were chosen following a public vote on social media.

The entertainer has eschewed rallies and interviews in favour of playing gigs with his comedy troupe up to the final days of campaigning.

But supporters say only a brand new face can clean up the murky politics of one of the poorest nations in Europe.

Some accuse Zelensky of acting as a front for the interests of oligarch Igor Kolomoysky, who owns the channel that broadcasts the entertainer's shows, but he denies any political links.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/comic-leads-ukraine-votes-president-022302336--spt.html

Sounds like just another puppet...but the choices are all pretty rancid...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2019, 06:49:18 AM
http://news.trust.org/item/20190421203605-osgq8 (http://news.trust.org/item/20190421203605-osgq8)

Fantasy becomes reality...we'll see how real this guy is...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 23, 2021, 08:50:23 AM
Well looks like Ukraine heating up again...

There's this news, which somewhat baffles me - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-uk-build-warships-establish-naval-bases-together (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-uk-build-warships-establish-naval-bases-together)

Never thought Boris was a spineless puppet of Amerikan DeepState....but hey they could have dirt their leveraging on him to dance as directed...on its face unilateral mutually beneficial agreements of this kind are not "unusual" at all, everybody does them, Chi-Com's "string-of-pearls" and Russia in Syria are but two examples...bit it seems odd as Britain hasn't done anything like this for quite a while...

And in no time flat Russia issues its opinion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-black-sea-fleet-fired-warning-shots-near-british-destroyer (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-black-sea-fleet-fired-warning-shots-near-british-destroyer)

Probing happens all the time, nothing new there...firing shots is not so common.  I see this as no big deal as a single incident...it's common practice to assess a potential foes response for analysis and future engagements.  All part of the game...only risk is a mistake that turns a probe/response into a hot mess.

ETA - Read this, it is quite interesting - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-pens-op-ed-encouraging-partnership-europe-urges-openness-despite-past (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-pens-op-ed-encouraging-partnership-europe-urges-openness-despite-past)

More proof that Putin is a master of "the game".  His narrative is entirely geared towards agreement with him by attempting to cut off any constructive criticism of any point in black or white manner as being in essence "anti-cooperative" and blocked by "grudge holders" and "aggressors".

He claims Russia is "European".  Uhh huh, Catherine the Great tried that and others that followed...and in the end Marxists linked them well to Euro-Monarchs and removed them...violently.  It's Old World European in that it holds colonies in the 'Stan's and vast native enclave of Siberia.  Very Old World European! 

And in a Russo-Globalist fashion he wraps up thusly the carrot and stick narrative -

The world is a dynamic place, facing new challenges and threats. We simply cannot afford to carry the burden of past misunderstandings, hard feelings, conflicts, and mistakes. It is a burden that will prevent us from concentrating on the challenges at hand. We are convinced that we all should recognize these mistakes and correct them. Our common and indisputable goal is to ensure security on the continent without dividing lines, a common space for equitable cooperation and inclusive development for the prosperity of Europe and the world as a whole.

No dividing lines, common space?  Correct mistakes?

OK then, I accept your terms.  Let us cut to the chase, shall we?  If sincere in this spirit...all cards on the table.  Ukraine, Crimea, Donbas, Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba...NATO, SWIFT, arms treaties, additional arms reductions & pullbacks from borders, sanctions, diplomats, political prisoners, nuclear proliferation, Islamic terrorism, illegal immigration, cyber crime, the Arctic, Antarctica, all pipelines, militarization of space, trade...all of it in the hopper...let's play the match game and everything is resolved or nothing is.

Reagan in Reykjavik on a boatload of steroids.

I'd do it.  DeepState Puppet Biden won't.  Pretty sure Vlad would say Nyet! on a number of points and walk away too, but I would call the bluff.  And yes, trying to drive a wedge between the US & Europe is an old playbook, and with respect to NATO and our involvement and giving a damn about suicidal Euro's I am not against it nor am I saying it isn't wise of Vlad to attempt it...but the US is the big gorilla in the corner Vlad danced around in his narrative.  Bet Trump would have made the call...alas, America is in the grips of nefarious punks, so...another opportunity lost.

In the end...all the Euro's will belong to Russia...if the Jihadis don't beat them to it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2021, 09:30:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time)

It's a novel idea...the territorial waters of one nation being retained by the nation who annexed said territory. 

I say if this is to be accepted as kosher with international law...then I say there are lots of ripe areas for annexation...and they cannot be challenged unless one believes in imbalanced logic.

Oh, heck Limey's...roll in there...see if they're serious about bombing....man up and call that bluff.

What's the worst that could happen...that will happen anyway?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2021, 07:07:57 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-warns-britain-it-will-bomb-its-ships-next-time)

It's a novel idea...the territorial waters of one nation being retained by the nation who annexed said territory. 

I say if this is to be accepted as kosher with international law...then I say there are lots of ripe areas for annexation...and they cannot be challenged unless one believes in imbalanced logic.

Oh, heck Limey's...roll in there...see if they're serious about bombing....man up and call that bluff.

What's the worst that could happen...that will happen anyway?

The Duran was trying to figure out what Britain is doing. They conclude Britain is annoying everyone.
https://rumble.com/vj0t8z-british-destroyer-gets-buzzed-in-black-sea.-dumb-provocation-or-pre-war-pro.html (https://rumble.com/vj0t8z-british-destroyer-gets-buzzed-in-black-sea.-dumb-provocation-or-pre-war-pro.html)
British Destroyer gets buzzed in Black Sea. Dumb provocation or pre-war provocation?
The Duran Published June 25, 2021
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2021, 11:14:41 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-mediterranean-drills-featuring-hypersonic-armed-jets-moment-uk-carrier (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-mediterranean-drills-featuring-hypersonic-armed-jets-moment-uk-carrier)

Meh.  Boys with toys.  Nothing to see here...just a same of "oh yeah?"/"yeah"...

Zzzzzzz
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 13, 2021, 09:02:16 AM
Nuland!   ::outrage::

Why is this meddlesome sow still holding ANY office?!   ::cussing:: 

Article is rife with vitriol and Russophile talking points...but in the spirit of the enemy of my enemy is my (temporary) friend...let it ride.

The presence of this DeepState whore is advancing regional conflict from "possible" to "likely" and is now on its way to "certain"!

Paging free-lance hitters...got a fat target for your consideration!  Crap, second thought...her handlers probably exploit that too and start pushing buttons...

OK, back to effed every which way...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2021, 08:36:29 AM
 ::siren::  Caution: Extreme Pro-Russia Bias Ahead!   ::siren::

 ::bus::  Imbeciles beware, calling out hypocrites ahead!   ::bus::

A top Ukrainian official has indicated that US support to Ukraine may be in the process of ramping up dramatically, suggesting that Kiev has invited a permanent American troop presence and stationing of anti-air defense rocket systems on its soil.

Deputy Prime Minister Alexey Reznikov made the revealing statements recently while hosted by the hawkish D.C.-based Jamestown Foundation. "It is important to expand the security package for Ukraine," Reznikov said. "First of all, with the stationing of air defense forces, and even by deploying American units."

Reznikov forther argued this would serve a secondary purpose of eroding Moscow's "influence in the Balkans" - also at a moment the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 natural gas pipeline is nearing completion, and amid rival military drills of late occurring on the Black Sea.

The statements certainly raised eyebrows in the Kremlin, being picked up widely in Russian media, which described such a scenario of US air defenses on Russia's border a severe "red line". TASS cited chairman of the State Duma's committee for international affairs, Leonid Slutsky, who lashed out at the "crude provocation" on Tuesday.

"Reznikov's statement is crude provocation. The deployment of the US missile defense systems in Ukraine may change the balance of force in the region and outside it," Slutsky was quoted as saying. TASS reported his words further:

He stressed that the anti-missile system Aegis included the launcher Mk41, which could be used for launching not only interceptors, but also cruise missiles.

"Their emergence (of such air defense systems - TASS) close to Russia's borders will undoubtedly evoke Moscow's response. Tensions will merely soar," Slutsky warned.

Meanwhile the past year has witnessed a mutual ramping up of military drills on the Black Sea between Russia on the one hand and the Western allies on the other.

And D.C. think tanks have renewed efforts at stoking tensions over Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-slams-crude-provocation-after-us-invited-station-troops-anti-air-systems (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-slams-crude-provocation-after-us-invited-station-troops-anti-air-systems)

 ::hysterical::  Oh, how rich!   ::laughonfloor::

So, all the missiles and planes and troops Russia has in Syria...

It's a crude provocation to Israel, right?

This emergence of such air defense systems close to Israel's border will undoubtedly evoke Jerusalem's response. Tensions will merely soar, right?

Russia, it's proxies and loyal Russophiles have renewed their efforts at stoking tensions over Ukraine, right?

That kind of hypocritical crap just sets me off! 

Listen - either it is wrong for everyone or right for everyone or neutral (none of anybody's business)...people taking sides are hypocritical imbeciles deserving ridicule...which on most days in latter day Earth is all that gets me up in the morning!

Alright, round up the escapees...back to the sanitarium...   ::bus::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2021, 08:47:59 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-pledges-60-million-more-military-aid-ukraine-he-hosts-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-pledges-60-million-more-military-aid-ukraine-he-hosts-zelensky)

Oh my...giving 2 Mark VI patrol boats to Ukraine!

 ::ohno::

Arming proxies is such a Russian thing to do, how dare they!  Cue hysterical response in 3...2...1...

 ::)

The real thing to focus on is JoeFraud trying to buy back into the Ukraine game...if Zelensky is smart he'll play this sap, offer him nothing but platitudes, make sure neither he nor Hunter nor any American statists gets anything but 0% and not trust a damn thing coming out of their lying faces.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 03, 2021, 08:27:43 AM
Snort!  JoeFraud is so weak at this game!  2 patrol boats for Ukraine...

Vlad to Alex "Soviet!" Lukashenko - "Russia in the near future … will supply us – I won’t say how much money or what – with dozens of planes, dozens of helicopters, the most important air defense weapons,” Lukashenko was quoted as saying in Belarusian state-run Belta news agency.

But the claim that's sure to catch the attention of the West is what he said about the potential anti-air defense system. "Maybe even S-400s (surface-to-air missiles).

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-sending-huge-arms-shipment-maybe-even-s-400s-belarus-lukashenko (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-sending-huge-arms-shipment-maybe-even-s-400s-belarus-lukashenko)

Poor illegitimate occupier of the White House...it's all bad news all the time...  ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 28, 2021, 09:29:41 AM
What a bunch of pussies...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/all-hell-breaking-loose-energy-markets (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/all-hell-breaking-loose-energy-markets)

Attack already, or be labelled liars!  Define "hosting", same article quotes Alex saying US training bases already there...so already crossed your little line?

Why does Putin tolerate clowns and psychos? 

Nobody else will play, eh?

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2021, 09:06:56 AM
Czar Vald's arse is ready to accept kisses from Euro vassals...

With Europe In Chaos, Putin Says Russia Ready To Help Stabilize Gas Market
Russia will increase supplies if and only if NS2 is launched

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-chaos-putin-says-russia-ready-help-stabilize-gas-market (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/europe-chaos-putin-says-russia-ready-help-stabilize-gas-market)

 ::smileykissup::

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2021, 09:14:28 AM
No NS2, no gas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2)

Just because it looks like extortion doesn't mean its extortion or is done with any malice or greed in mind...

Yeah, that was hard to type without cracking up!   ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 19, 2021, 06:03:25 PM
No NS2, no gas.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2 (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/winter-coming-russia-signals-no-extra-gas-europe-without-nord-stream-2)

Just because it looks like extortion doesn't mean its extortion or is done with any malice or greed in mind...

Yeah, that was hard to type without cracking up!   ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::

it's hard to cut through the crap to find the truth.
I think that Russia is supplying 10% more than last year.
Russia is supplying its contractual obligations.
Russia preferred long term contracts but many EU countries wanted to go with the spot market. They got what they wanted.

Now the EU wants Russia to save it from their own stupidity. Russia points to the Nordstream approval. Good for them.
Hungary signed a contract for Russian gas and the EU is pissed because they are so power mad they only want the  to make contracts, then divy up the gas according to their politics. Eff them.

BTW Germany begged Russia to build the Nordstream 2 when they realized they had screwed themselves. Russia agreed and lately they got a ration of sh*t for political reasons.

https://youtu.be/H8ZXLw47cfQ (https://youtu.be/H8ZXLw47cfQ)
Germany demolishes nuclear power plant in a controlled explosion
2,825 views
May 14, 2020

Meanwhile, France gets 75% of electricity from nuclear. Let  Germany freeze.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2021, 07:41:58 AM
IMO everybody getting what they deserve...

Well, except US taxpayers...who get raped constantly...

And the perpetrators of our oppression who have so far escaped much deserved justice thus far...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 20, 2021, 01:55:03 PM

Ukraine is screwed big time. They used to sell stuff to Russia. Then came the US and EU and the embargoes and sanctions.
The US, IMF, and EU gave billions to the govt but IMO much of that ended up in DC, London, Brussels. Ukraine has nothing to show for it.

Russia recovered nicely from the embargoes and is  now a leading agriculture exporter. Ukraine was the aviation supplier in the USSR. E.g. gas turbines for helicopters. Also heavy industry. No more. No one to sell to except for some Chinese who are copying their technology. The EU does not want Ukraine ag products competing with their established suppliers.

BTW Ukraine started the whole sh*t show with Russia by screwing over ethnic Russians in the east as in internal political  ploy by one faction. Ukraine is maybe the only place where there are real neo Nazis. They have substantial political influence in Ukraine in the West.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2021, 02:10:11 PM
Yeah, well thanks to Slick Willie and G H W Shrub we helped bail out post-Soviet Russia by funneling sh!tloads of US taxpayer dollars through the creative accounting of NASA and the international space station and buying Russian rocket space while running our own costly shuttle program that got us the dual reward of a gutted NASA only capable of dispatching probes and Russian oligarchy only interested in regaining their former might under a new label...

US leadership is as stupid as stupid gets.

Far as I care everybody can tear at each others throats...carnage for all!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 22, 2021, 08:07:38 AM
Hilarious...

Not defending REMF Austin at all and as I've made clear a zillion times over I want the US out of NATO...if the Euro's want to carry on and sign up new members that's their issue...

Having got that out of the way...

Putin - "The military development of the territory [of Ukraine] is already underway, and this really poses a threat to Russia."  "The Secretary of Defense has arrived, in fact, opening the doors for Ukraine to NATO, in fact, his statement should and can be interpreted in this way..."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-presence-ukraine-already-underway-poses-real-threat-russia-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-presence-ukraine-already-underway-poses-real-threat-russia-putin)

Funny how such clarity is present in this situation versus say the Iranian nuclear threat to Israel which Czar Vlad not only ignores but defiantly rejects through direct support of the Mahdi Death Cult.

I will bet any sum of money against a doughnut if an offer was put on the table for Russia to abandon Iran in exchange for the West abandoning Ukraine he would reject it outright.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 25, 2021, 08:37:56 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/putin-lays-cards-down-approve-nord-stream-2-get-more-gas (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/putin-lays-cards-down-approve-nord-stream-2-get-more-gas)

Russia to Germany -  ::kiss-my-ass::

 ::hysterical::

Meanwhile, butthurt Eurotards in Brussels still investigating Gazprom for "manipulation"...

Ohh, so cute...hypocrites soiling their diapers...

Everybody cheats, manipulates and threatens...might makes right, old as Adam, er Cain actually...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: HATES_LIBS on October 26, 2021, 10:19:49 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/putin-lays-cards-down-approve-nord-stream-2-get-more-gas (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/putin-lays-cards-down-approve-nord-stream-2-get-more-gas)

Russia to Germany -  ::kiss-my-ass::

 ::hysterical::

Meanwhile, butthurt Eurotards in Brussels still investigating Gazprom for "manipulation"...

Ohh, so cute...hypocrites soiling their diapers...

Everybody cheats, manipulates and threatens...might makes right, old as Adam, er Cain actually...

 ::thumbsup::

Spoken like a true Christian!

Every aspect of life is a Holy War. Those that don't understand that are like sheep to the slaughter  ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 26, 2021, 01:29:06 PM

7 nin. Why I like Putin. He has been talking like this for many years.
https://youtu.be/g6sIZ8-C1vw
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2021, 11:46:53 AM
Screw Ukraine, screw Romania and the insignificant Black Sea...

Poland and the lunatic in Belarus are inflaming Poland and the Baltics...and pretty sure Lukashenko can't wipe his ass without the blessing of Putin...just like Aeroflot cannot fly invaders to the borders without his permission...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/baltic-states-warn-military-clash-over-belarus-deliberate-escalation-migrant-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/baltic-states-warn-military-clash-over-belarus-deliberate-escalation-migrant-crisis)

Poland and the Baltics should repel these invaders with lethal force...and they should not wait on a feckless EU to dither and make things worse because of their own insane invader worship BS...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2021, 08:28:34 AM
 "Pesident of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko wants Russian nuclear-capable Iskander missile systems to deploy in the south and west of the country, he said in an interview with a Russian defense magazine published on Saturday."

Despite the Kremlin not commenting on the statements when pressed by Western reporters, there's little doubt that it's the most inconvenient moment possible to open up such a discussion as provocative as nuclear weapons - again given it appears Russia is trying to distance itself from some of Belarus' leaders' most outlandish statements.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-leader-asks-russia-station-nuclear-capable-missiles-near-poland-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-leader-asks-russia-station-nuclear-capable-missiles-near-poland-ukraine)

 ::hysterical::

Yeah, right!  Saying it so without any evidence of anything of the like ever being said does not make it true...so, it appears the aim of Putin is to let the West think this is a good idea and that Russia is happy to do whatever it takes to make a lunatic happy, eh?  A mad man wanting nukes?  Nothing new there...just this latest one doesn't speak Farsi...may want Jews dead though too...

Whatever.  Rabid dog on a leash is still a rabid dog...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2021, 09:01:18 AM
Baltics are akin to Russia what Poland was in WWII...an entry point.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/estoniamap.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/estonia-orders-snap-military-drill-calls-reservists-fortify-border-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/estonia-orders-snap-military-drill-calls-reservists-fortify-border-russia)

But for any who know the region, it's geography and strengths and weaknesses...Latvia is the key for any invasion from the East...and why ally Belarus no matter how batshyt-crazy its leadership is, is critical for Russia not just for the Baltics but Ukraine and Europe itself.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 18, 2021, 02:21:27 PM
the duran guys report on Belarus. They say that the EU pays Turkey to hold back migrants but sanctions Belarus so Belarus gets even.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 18, 2021, 03:45:41 PM
From previous reading some countries, France Germany, Ukraine and Russia, I think met and hammered out the Minsk agreements. They included agreements to keep certain classes of weapon certain distances from the contact line in Eastern Ukraine. Ukraine govt violated that part not long ago. The US was not invited as there was fear we would stir things up.

The agreements included requiring Ukraine and the Eastern regions to met directly with each other. Now the Ukraine govt is refusing that part.

I did not watch the video below yet.
https://youtu.be/xjrwNdxfqp8
West Shocked as Moscow Rules out Summit on Ukraine, Insists on Direct Talks between Kiev and Donbass
4,767 views
Nov 18, 2021
Alexander Mercouris
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 18, 2021, 03:55:24 PM
War, uhh, what's it good for...

Settling sh*t, same as it every was...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2021, 11:36:05 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/belarusian-president-lukashenko-threatens-halt-transit-energy-products-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/belarusian-president-lukashenko-threatens-halt-transit-energy-products-russia)

Since Alex the Weak cannot do squat without Emperor Vlad's approval...it's just more of his farting out his mouth...

If I were Poland I'd want to keep invaders out...if Alex the Weak is such a humanitarian...he can take care of them...   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2021, 04:45:46 PM
Well, looks like the Russian ultimatum is going to have a really hard time breaking through EuroClownworld group-think and DeepState group-think pulling His Fraudulency's strings in the Amerikan government...

At the Kremlin last week, Putin drew his red line:

“The threat on our western borders is … rising, as we have said multiple times. … In our dialogue with the United States and its allies, we will insist on developing concrete agreements prohibiting any further eastward expansion of NATO and the placement there of weapons systems in the immediate vicinity of Russian territory.”

That comes close to an ultimatum. And NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg backhanded the President of Russia for issuing it:

“It’s only Ukraine and 30 NATO allies that decide when Ukraine is ready to join NATO. … Russia has no veto, Russia has no say, and Russia has no right to establish a sphere of influence trying to control their neighbors.”
https://buchanan.org/blog/putin-to-biden-finlandize-ukraine-or-we-will-158813 (https://buchanan.org/blog/putin-to-biden-finlandize-ukraine-or-we-will-158813)

...and despite Buchanan's desire to have Amerika bow out...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/1a1a9283672d75d41fdeeb242369ff2df8e3b7f044d96edd20faa1eb95caff55.jpg)
H/T-WZ

...all His Fraudulency is doing right now is threatening more economic sanctions and threaten to deploy more troops if Putin invades Ukraine...oh, and threatens to call Putin on the phone...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280951/Putin-preparing-invade-Ukraine-not-clear-final-decision-made.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10280951/Putin-preparing-invade-Ukraine-not-clear-final-decision-made.html)

I guess deploying after is a bold move...   :o

And listening to JoeFraud brain-fart on the phone between diaper changes and meds and pudding is probably the most harrowing thing Vlad has to suffer...up front anyway...

Ukraine threatens the Euro's with millions of refugees...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10283695/Escalating-tensions-Europe-scale-Russia-warns-ahead-talks-Biden-Putin.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10283695/Escalating-tensions-Europe-scale-Russia-warns-ahead-talks-Biden-Putin.html)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/12/07/12/51397859-10283695-Russia_now_has_50_battalions_comprising_up_to_94_000_troops_stat-a-97_1638881226158.jpg)

Hypocrites on both sides...

What happened to Russian pro-sovereignty of nations principle?  OK when a nation aligns with Russia...but not with anybody else, eh?  And I'm being the Devil's advocate, don't care either way.  But Putin is showing typical Russian paranoia on Ukraine and other former East-Bloc nations joining NATO...he says the aim is to encircle Russia and push for regime change in Russia...a stunning admission that is being way too overlooked in my opinion...

Is Putin so insecure in his nation that there is a chance of that happening?  Is whatever NATO does deployment-wise in such areas not easily countered by state of the art Russian systems?  What happened to invincibility?  There is also the pesky fact of who invaded who first?  Putin loves bringing up the old rigged Presidential contest in Ukraine where their guy got canned...but hey we got screwed over hear in America and I don't see ya giving a crap about that?  Hey, would ya be in the same boat if JoeFraud lost fair and square?

Anyway, cut to the chase...let's talk partition and nobody place limits on the other about what they do with their half...y'all did it by force last time in Eurpoe after the last world war...do it again peacefully now to avoid a third...or is that not face-saving enough for your fragile ego?

Anyway...if he invades...doubt Euro's can do much but bitch and moan...and America cannot respond unless the DeepState wants to expand the carnage...

Given how little control anybody has over the DeepState I cannot say I am instilled with much confidence that WWIII won't break out...I guess we'll see who is really calling the shots after all...

Grab a drink, pull up a chair...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 07, 2021, 05:07:54 PM
Look up the treaty made in 1994 (I forget the name of it) among us, Britain and Ukraine, the basis of which was Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons on the grounds we and Britain would protect it against Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2021, 07:59:28 AM
Look up the treaty made in 1994 (I forget the name of it) among us, Britain and Ukraine, the basis of which was Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons on the grounds we and Britain would protect it against Russia.

1994 Budapest Memorandum of Security Assurances

https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/eirv41n08-20140221/34-35_4108.pdf (https://larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2014/eirv41n08-20140221/34-35_4108.pdf)

Independence, sovereignty of Ukraine, no use of force against Ukraine, no economic coercion against Ukraine, no nukes, UNSC, blah blah blah...

That agreement?  Ha!  So 1994!  Also included Belarus and Kazakhstan for NPT...all gave up their nukes...latter 2 became vassals again and Ukraine got invaded and coerced and had Crimea seized and Eastern territory included in the 1994 borders breached.  That worked well.

Russia, in classic neo-Soviet style...claims since their puppet got ousted as Ukraine President that anything signed became null and void...which if anybody with a reasonably functioning brain would see virtually the entire history of agreements rendered void on such a childish interpretation.

Basically Putin defaulted to his KGB roots and re-adopted the Brezhnev Doctrine of quasi-sovereignty of vassals...such nations may think they are independent and sovereign...so long as they obey Russia, or Russia reserves the exclusive unchallengeable regardless of signed anything with anybody ever right to discipline said wayward vassal any way it pleases.  And since all it takes is one planted puppet to "invite" troops and advisors in, super simple to secure a foothold.

On these grounds we should all adopt the Putin Doctrine...makes life oh so much more cut and dry.  Finally, Canada, Mexico, Cuba, Arctic, Greenland, Iceland, West Indies islands...all belong to us for the taking!
 ::whoohoo::

ETA - Heck, what the EU is trying to do to Poland is no different...just hasn't got to the invasion stage yet...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-vs-eu-battle-political-sovereignty (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-vs-eu-battle-political-sovereignty)

Time to join 'em since we can't beat 'em!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2021, 11:54:12 AM
The phone call...

(https://static.independent.co.uk/2021/12/07/18/biden_putin_wh.jpg)
A bilateral discussion between Russia’s Vladimir Putin and US President Joe Biden began with an awkward moment as Mr Biden fumbled with his microphone for the first few seconds of the call.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-putin-call-microphone-video-b1971555.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/biden-putin-call-microphone-video-b1971555.html)

So...pudding-head brain-farted at the start...not really shocking...and this pic with pudding-head sitting there with 4 handlers...Putin sits alone...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2021, 12:45:32 PM
And THE MASKS!!!! I can't stand it!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 08, 2021, 05:47:06 PM

There is more than one  side to the Ukraine Russia story.

In early 2014 the US and EU backed the Madan coup, forcing out the elected Ukraine president. The US, EU, and IMF sent billions to Ukraine, most of which ended up in DC, Brussels, Paris, London.

Years ago, The Ukraine govt decided to screw over ethnic Russians in the East. I recall they forbid teaching Russian in schools, maybe cancelled some pensions. This lead to armed conflict between the Kiev govt and the Eastern Ukraine.

France, Germany, and Russia held meetings (excluding the US) with the East and Kiev. They hammered out the Minsk accords in late 2014. This required Kiev to meet directly with the East and to keep a set distance from the contact line.

The people of Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Over 90%. This was OK for Kosovo BTW. NATO bombed to enforce that. Russia already had a huge naval base and lots of troops.

Ukraine used to export lots of ag products and heavy industry to Russia. The sanctions ended that. I think Greece, Baltics,  and other countries also ended exports and got screwed. Ukraine was the major source of aviation in the USSR. Planes, helicopters, gas turbines, etc. That ended. The workers are screwed. China is buying some gas turbines for military use but will stop that once they steal the IP. They are already making them inside China.

The EU will not buy Ukraine ag products. Russia is now self sufficient in all these products and even exports food. The later is a shocker to me, remembering the old days.
The US forced Russia into bed with China. So anything they do not make they can get from China. Russia wanted to be part of EU and even NATO.

Recently, for internal political reasons, Kiev violated the Minsk accords and moved heavy forces to the contact line. Kiev refuses to meet with the East, as required by the Minsk accords. Russia moved their forces to their border.

Kiev pulled forces mostly back. Russian kept theirs in place. The Kiev forces are in crappy trenches. The Russian forces have warm beds and hot showers.

The major take away is that Ukraine is screwed thanks to the anti Russian sanctions. Much of Ukraine has left the country.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 09, 2021, 09:18:43 AM


At 23:00 Tucker talks about the US-Russia tiff.
McGregor said Russia reverted to Othrodox Christianity.
Tucker said maybe that is why the US is trying to destroy  Russia.

https://rumble.com/vqgksn-following-putin-biden-summit-neocons-push-for-war.html (https://rumble.com/vqgksn-following-putin-biden-summit-neocons-push-for-war.html)

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-carlson-us-would-gain-nothing-in-confrontation-with-russia (https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-carlson-us-would-gain-nothing-in-confrontation-with-russia)
...
COL. DOUGLAS MACGREGOR (RET), U.S. ARMY: Well, based upon your monologue, it is hard to tell right now, but certainly the destination is the land of the stupid.
...

We're not doing any of those things. We are bent on some sort of revenge mission, which makes no sense to humiliate and harm Russia. Why? It is beyond me.

This is not the Soviet Union, this is Russia. A Russian state that rests on the foundation of Orthodox Christianity. It is back to what it has been for a thousand years, we should celebrate that, not try to destroy it.

CARLSON: Maybe that's one of the reasons we are trying to destroy it.

MACGREGOR: It could be.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2021, 09:42:30 AM

There is more than one  side to the Ukraine Russia story.

In early 2014 the US and EU backed the Madan coup, forcing out the elected Ukraine president. The US, EU, and IMF sent billions to Ukraine, most of which ended up in DC, Brussels, Paris, London.

Years ago, The Ukraine govt decided to screw over ethnic Russians in the East. I recall they forbid teaching Russian in schools, maybe cancelled some pensions. This lead to armed conflict between the Kiev govt and the Eastern Ukraine.

France, Germany, and Russia held meetings (excluding the US) with the East and Kiev. They hammered out the Minsk accords in late 2014. This required Kiev to meet directly with the East and to keep a set distance from the contact line.

The people of Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. Over 90%. This was OK for Kosovo BTW. NATO bombed to enforce that. Russia already had a huge naval base and lots of troops.

Ukraine used to export lots of ag products and heavy industry to Russia. The sanctions ended that. I think Greece, Baltics,  and other countries also ended exports and got screwed. Ukraine was the major source of aviation in the USSR. Planes, helicopters, gas turbines, etc. That ended. The workers are screwed. China is buying some gas turbines for military use but will stop that once they steal the IP. They are already making them inside China.

The EU will not buy Ukraine ag products. Russia is now self sufficient in all these products and even exports food. The later is a shocker to me, remembering the old days.
The US forced Russia into bed with China. So anything they do not make they can get from China. Russia wanted to be part of EU and even NATO.

Recently, for internal political reasons, Kiev violated the Minsk accords and moved heavy forces to the contact line. Kiev refuses to meet with the East, as required by the Minsk accords. Russia moved their forces to their border.

Kiev pulled forces mostly back. Russian kept theirs in place. The Kiev forces are in crappy trenches. The Russian forces have warm beds and hot showers.

The major take away is that Ukraine is screwed thanks to the anti Russian sanctions. Much of Ukraine has left the country.

Mmm, so what?

1994 came first...the territorial integrity of former Soviet puppet states reverted to their largely pre-war boundaries...Yeltsin signed it binding Russia to respect those borders...and they didn't...which led to Minsk I signed by corrupt Pro-Russia anti-press Kuchma in 2014 to calm things down and lock in Pro-Russia territorial seizures in the East...and was so effective it had to have a follow on memorandum for the so-called "security zone...which quickly came under pressure when Pro-Russia forces started getting hungry for more violence and territory that it blew up amnesty crap pushed through by corrupt Oligarch Poroshenko that led to Minsk II to stop the violence in Donbas.  Minsk is an abject failure that is always used by Russia and Pro-Russia factions as a brick in any negotiations while 1994 agreement that established national boundaries is completely ignored by them.

Parse, nuance and spin all they might...the fact is Russia and Pro-Russia separatists broke the sovereignty agreement, fomented dissent, inflamed division and began violence.

So, if it is OK for Russia to violate 1994...why is it not OK for US and Europe to violate anything that followed?  Either the same logic of corrupt faithless signatories matter in all or they matter in none, which is it?

Bottom line - the only thing operative since 1994 is that might makes right, violence solves all...so let there be violence and let people stop pretending otherwise.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2021, 09:56:26 AM


At 23:00 Tucker talks about the US-Russia tiff.
McGregor said Russia reverted to Othrodox Christianity.
Tucker said maybe that is why the US is trying to destroy  Russia.

https://rumble.com/vqgksn-following-putin-biden-summit-neocons-push-for-war.html (https://rumble.com/vqgksn-following-putin-biden-summit-neocons-push-for-war.html)

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-carlson-us-would-gain-nothing-in-confrontation-with-russia (https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/tucker-carlson-us-would-gain-nothing-in-confrontation-with-russia)
...
COL. DOUGLAS MACGREGOR (RET), U.S. ARMY: Well, based upon your monologue, it is hard to tell right now, but certainly the destination is the land of the stupid.
...

We're not doing any of those things. We are bent on some sort of revenge mission, which makes no sense to humiliate and harm Russia. Why? It is beyond me.

This is not the Soviet Union, this is Russia. A Russian state that rests on the foundation of Orthodox Christianity. It is back to what it has been for a thousand years, we should celebrate that, not try to destroy it.

CARLSON: Maybe that's one of the reasons we are trying to destroy it.

MACGREGOR: It could be.


There are competing interests in the US that have to be understood...the DeepState that controls most aspects of political, strategic and economic forces in America is predominate but within this sphere is the competing interests of the Pentagon, State and the Intel community (as well as within the IC vis a vis the CIA vs KGB)...all play off as well as with each other as their interests align.  Within the Political arena are competing factions of Statist Marxists and Fascist Cucks and a small but determined band of Liberty-loving patriots...and then there is the largely DeepState-obedient bureaucrats that Cucks and Patriots (more the latter) battle with.  Then there is the Fifth Columnists in the PressCorpse and ThinkTanks and Globalist enterprises and NGO's.

The targeting of Russia (or anybody for that matter) is largely DeepState driven with all the competing agendas and frictions attendant...it is not We, the American people...and that is meant in the greater plural and well as the majority plural of Patriots in conservative and libertarian and independent camps to the degrees present within them...it is they/them doing the targeting.

Yay, Russia is Orthodox Christian.  Swell, who still have a Soviet appetite for territory and enjoy making money of the most despotic regimes on the planet by selling them weapons and technology...and it is this latter behavior that makes it easy for Russia-targeting elements march to the DeepState beat.

See what I am getting at?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 09, 2021, 04:43:34 PM
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H/T-WZ
What's happened before can happen again and again...   ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 11, 2021, 05:24:10 PM
A good but long video on Ukraine. 44 min they talk about the corruption.
Earlier they talk about the Azov battalion. There are actually private neo Nazi militias incorporated into the regular army.
Scott Ritter says there are 3 countries actually.  West, actually Polish. East actually Russia. Central which longs for the efficiency of the USSR (not joking).

https://youtu.be/NLpPyuzxSf4
Is Russia really planning a war in Ukraine - or is Washington?
20,853 views
Streamed live on Dec 9, 2021
The Grayzone
161K subscriber
Follow Scott on Twitter at https://twitter.com/RealScottRitter

50 min. The Ukrainians hate the West because they are being used against Russia and getting screwed in the process.

Russia is second oil exporter to US, second to Canada.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2021, 12:02:48 PM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2021, 06:11:53 PM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.

As long as the US is not involved I do not care.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 14, 2021, 11:23:55 AM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.

As long as the US is not involved I do not care.

Oh ye of short term memory...

There will be...the template is already established...unpreparedness coupled with stupid decisions...loss of life and ignominious retreat...

All there is to see is if that is all there is or if more triggers get pulled making a regional conflict global and release the Four Horsemen...

As a betting man I would play the field and plan for the worse case scenario...

Besides, wtf can we the oppressed do about it anyway?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2021, 09:48:26 AM
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov described that "The situation in international affairs, especially on the European continent, is very, very tense right now and requires discussion between allies."

He underscored that "We see very, very aggressive rhetoric on the NATO and US side, and this requires discussion between us and the Chinese."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-putin-discuss-very-aggressive-us-nato-rhetoric-virtual-summit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-putin-discuss-very-aggressive-us-nato-rhetoric-virtual-summit)

 ::ohno::

How very, very, very, very-very...aggressively hypocritical and hilarious!!!   ::hysterical::

A virtual Karen & Karen whine-fest...yay, what fun!   ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.

As long as the US is not involved I do not care.

Oh ye of short term memory...

There will be...the template is already established...unpreparedness coupled with stupid decisions...loss of life and ignominious retreat...

All there is to see is if that is all there is or if more triggers get pulled making a regional conflict global and release the Four Horsemen...

As a betting man I would play the field and plan for the worse case scenario...

Besides, wtf can we the oppressed do about it anyway?

When the Albanians in Serbia were being oppressed the US and NATO went to war to give them Kosovo. Now if the ethnic Russians are oppressed in Ukraine that is different?  What if the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina want to join the Serbs in Serbia? IMO not our problem.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2021, 07:53:36 AM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.

As long as the US is not involved I do not care.

Oh ye of short term memory...

There will be...the template is already established...unpreparedness coupled with stupid decisions...loss of life and ignominious retreat...

All there is to see is if that is all there is or if more triggers get pulled making a regional conflict global and release the Four Horsemen...

As a betting man I would play the field and plan for the worse case scenario...

Besides, wtf can we the oppressed do about it anyway?

When the Albanians in Serbia were being oppressed the US and NATO went to war to give them Kosovo. Now if the ethnic Russians are oppressed in Ukraine that is different?  What if the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina want to join the Serbs in Serbia? IMO not our problem.

Sure, but everybody (with power) gets in everybody's business all the time...I don't see that changing anytime soon...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 16, 2021, 02:09:53 PM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/477306-report-putin-added-10k-more-troops-to-ukraine-border-after-call-with-biden/)

Nothing will avert war...

Get used to the idea.

As long as the US is not involved I do not care.

Oh ye of short term memory...

There will be...the template is already established...unpreparedness coupled with stupid decisions...loss of life and ignominious retreat...

All there is to see is if that is all there is or if more triggers get pulled making a regional conflict global and release the Four Horsemen...

As a betting man I would play the field and plan for the worse case scenario...

Besides, wtf can we the oppressed do about it anyway?

When the Albanians in Serbia were being oppressed the US and NATO went to war to give them Kosovo. Now if the ethnic Russians are oppressed in Ukraine that is different?  What if the Serbs in Bosnia and Herzegovina want to join the Serbs in Serbia? IMO not our problem.

Sure, but everybody (with power) gets in everybody's business all the time...I don't see that changing anytime soon...

Yeah.
China is acting much worse but they bought off too many in the US govt. Tibet. India. Now Taiwan.
The Duran and now Vox Day are reporting on how Russia had developed an alternative to Swift which is one of the last big sanctions that could be used. They have yet to implement it. Many have commented on how the US keeps doing things that will end the dollar as the world reserve currency. They sanction countries who then work around the sanctions.

The Duran reported on how Russia over came sanctions by dong things internally. The biggest loser is Ukraine as they used to export lots to Russia. Much of their population has emigrated.
https://voxday.net/2021/12/15/were-not-locked-out-youre-locked-out/ (https://voxday.net/2021/12/15/were-not-locked-out-youre-locked-out/)
https://www.rt.com/russia/543258-moscow-china-create-independent-structure/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/543258-moscow-china-create-independent-structure/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2021, 03:05:05 PM
Bypassing Swift likely still be an issue...at best it would be a Asian bloc thing...which is fine with me as Russia pivoting east not west so...let everyone end run everybody and fractionalize into hostile conglomerates...

Again, wtf can I do so wtf do I care anymore?  All problems lead to despots on everybody's side...

Till everyone rises up and beats the crap out of all despots nobody will ever see jack squat change...

If wars don't end it all for everybody first...

Welcome to Sh!tworld...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 16, 2021, 07:17:37 PM

After the USSR broke up Russia wanted to join NATO, not China. IMO we screwed up by forcing them into bed with China.
I have a good 2015 video on. I had it on off and on today. So far 50 minutes in. He makes sense to me.
He says the US is encouraging Ukraine to act out and will end up wrecked in the process.
He has some good ethnic maps and polling maps early on. 6:11, 7:02, 7:12, 7:38,  8:28, 8:45. Most in the West want to join EU, most in the East do not. Most in West want to join NATO, not in the East.

He says the first time things heat up with China we will forget about Ukraine. Most Ukrainians do not want to break up, even those in the East.

He said the US goal is to peel Ukraine away from Russia but Russia will see Ukraine wrecked before they allow Ukraine to join NATO. He hopes that the US goal changes to making Ukraine better off and a buffer state, not wrecking it.

In Apr 2008 the US said Ukraine and Georgia would become part of NATO. He thought Germany and France would kill that idea and he said he was wrong. The Germans do not want to lead.

He said the fascists in the West really spook the Russians. Yes there are neo Nazis in the Ukrainian West.

https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4
Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? Featuring John Mearsheimer
110,275 views
Sep 25, 2015
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2021, 08:44:21 AM
After defeating a foe, and make no mistake communist Russia was a foe and the cold war was a war...there is a natural inclination of the victor to secure gains made...a Marshall Plan for the Russia was never going to fly politically or by the Pentagon or IC...what should have happened is letting the Euro's take on the task of managing relations...it could have been transitioned over the course of 5 years at the end of which we would disband NATO as it's mission was complete...and let the Euro's manage their partners in all of Europe...leaving Russia to once again decide if it is a European nation or an Asian nation...and historically they've always struggled with that...but a demilitarized Europe may or may not have had an impact on post-communist Russia still filled with long-time communists and neo-capitalist criminal oligarchs...I suspect they would have thinned but not completely rolled back its presence in Eastern Europe...

But, whatever...all that is hindsight thought games...the reality is all sides are doing the wrong thing for the same reasons...insecurity, ego, power, control, greed, lust, fear, anger...stupidity...

It will end in blood because there is no remedy to human weakness entrenched this deep...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 17, 2021, 11:07:22 AM

Of course you are correct in your conclusions. IMO there is so much money at stake in the mostly US military industrial complex there is little chance of that gravy train ending. There is no way NATO spending would end, at least in the short term. NATO needed a boogieman. I read that after Stalin died but before Khrushchev was installed, Beria offered to leave East Germany in exchange for lots of money to the USSR. East German commies found out. He was recalled to Moscow and a bullet put in his head.

Boatloads (many billions) of US, EU, and IMF money was spent on Ukraine but IMO most ended up in DC, London, Brussels, or in the pockets of corrupt Ukrainians. Very little went to help average Ukrainians.

Thanks to US bungling, Russia is now an ally of China and the economy of Ukraine is ruined. As the Duran guys said, current US diplomats could not even negotiate an apartment lease and never have. For historical reasons, Russia does not want NATO countries and tanks on its border. So the US took short term joy in threatening just that.

I believe both Duran guys are sons of diplomats and obsess on that angle. They compare US, Chinese, and Russian diplomats. They say that current US diplomats went to all the right schools and are very smart boys and girls but are terrible diplomats. They show up and make demands then leave. Russia is now self sufficient in most sanctioned items and has China for other materials. Countries that used to sell sanctioned items to them got screwed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2021, 11:20:31 AM
Ironic...war might be the more human ending to humankind than all this other crap we face...it is truly becoming one sh!t-show of a planet...thanks in large part to greedy corrupt psychotic elites and their brainless minions they've seduced with scraps and flowery titles and taxpayer-funded perks...

As I've always said and will continue to say since I see ZERO evidence to the contrary...there is no safe haven...anywhere...the entire planet is infected too severely...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2021, 09:11:12 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/if-nato-rebuffs-russian-security-proposals-kremlin-will-deploy-advanced-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/if-nato-rebuffs-russian-security-proposals-kremlin-will-deploy-advanced-weapons)

https://youtu.be/bhYckH-RrBo (https://youtu.be/bhYckH-RrBo)

Yes, yesssss...

Threats, war drums...more, moooore!

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2021, 02:24:19 PM
The Duran went on and on about this recent Russian proposal.

via vox day. I hope this is not true.
Then again I drilled down into the OPCW and the take gas attacks in Syria.
https://voxday.net/2021/12/21/remember-the-maine/ (https://voxday.net/2021/12/21/remember-the-maine/)
Remember the Maine!

And the Gulf of Tonkin. And the Lusitania. And Pearl Harbor. And the Kuwaiti incubators. And the Twin Towers. And every other US false flag or prearranged incident that was used to justify more US military action around the globe, before you overreact to another one that will lead to making the military error that is proverbial for stupidity: invading Russia in winter.

    US private military companies (PMCs) are preparing a provocation using chemical weapons in troubled and tense eastern Ukraine, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed on Tuesday. Moscow believes there are more than 120 employees of American PMCs operating in the region, where they are working with Ukrainian special forces.

    Containers with “unidentified chemical components” have been delivered to the cities of Avdeevka and Krasny Liman in Donbass in order to stage provocations, Shoigu said, at Tuesday’s meeting of the Defense Ministry board, attended by President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.rt.com/russia/543861-us-pmc-chemical-provocation-ukraine/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/543861-us-pmc-chemical-provocation-ukraine/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2021, 03:04:23 PM
Why not?  If true, nothing we can do, if propaganda as a pretext for Russian invasion, same answer...

Not my doing either way, as long as people understand that perhaps the targeting lists will consider that...or not...

Again, not in my power to control...the dogs of war all have masters holding leashes...maters unanswerable to anyone but themselves...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2021, 05:34:09 PM
Why not?  If true, nothing we can do, if propaganda as a pretext for Russian invasion, same answer...

Not my doing either way, as long as people understand that perhaps the targeting lists will consider that...or not...

Again, not in my power to control...the dogs of war all have masters holding leashes...maters unanswerable to anyone but themselves...

Vox Day is a source of ideas and leads I do not find elsewhere. He is also an arrogant A-hole. I recall he was a big Q anon believer and said that the US military created covid and blamed it on the Chinese. Still, I do not rely on his personal credibility much if ever. E.g. he is not saying the light was green vs red. He passes on interesting leads.

My biggest shock in terms of conspiracy theories was learning about the USS Liberty. The fake Syrian gas attacks were another, as they were revealed in real time.

He introduced me to Michael Hudson, a very interesting economist who grew up some in Minneapolis. A very interesting guy.
Here is Michael Hudson.
https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2021, 06:32:22 PM

I hope this is not true. Putin says the US wants to put missiles in Ukraine. If so, that is 7 minutes flight time to Moscow.
That is insanity. I recall how the US got upset over Soviet missiles in Cuba, much further than that from DC or NYC.

https://youtu.be/1yA0Y6CpYcI
BREAKING! Putin: US Wants To Put Hypersonic Missiles In Ukraine! Russia Has "Nowhere To Retreat"!
22,290 views
Dec 21, 2021
Russia Insight
Russian President Vladimir Putin : The United States and its allies need to understand that Russia simply "has nowhere to retreat" if American missiles appear in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2021, 06:36:10 PM

Also
https://youtu.be/WCQshen6rXw
BREAKING! Putin: Who Gave USA The Right To Target European Capital Belgrade? They Do As They Please!
11,088 views
Dec 21, 2021
Russia Insight
Russian President Vladimir Putin: What was the pretext to target Serbia? Was it authorised by the Security Council, or what? Where is Yugoslavia and where is the United States? Who gave them the right to conduct airstrikes against a European capital? No one did. They just chose to do so, and their satellites were running behind them yelping along. So much for international law.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2021, 09:21:59 AM
Nobody follows international law...Russia abandoned missile treaties once it gained an upper hand in hypersonic...now there's a hypersonic race, shocking.  UNSC is always a sh!tshow...what they agree to usually blows and what they fail to act on blows...basically they blow.  I have no faith in vox, wouldn't be surprised if both CIA and GRU have infiltrated it.  Back in the good old days nefarious hardware close to opponents would be traded...a la Cuba & Turkey in early 60's.  Today, nobody likes to trade because it looks like surrender and fails to accomplish gains on the ground, again so shocking, eh?

As I said...nothing we think good bad or indifferent matters a damn...

War, embrace it or just enjoy the macabre theater...those are your only choices...well, actually one more, perhaps the most important...pray neither side punishes us for their fracking sins...that's it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2021, 09:38:45 AM
SITYS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-mulls-sending-more-troops-romania-bulgaria (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-mulls-sending-more-troops-romania-bulgaria)

Go long on war...masters on all sides are too committed...

Even the long time isolationist Buchanan sees the Russian demands as intended to spur a rejection by Washington...and on the "no desire for war" angle he apparently didn't see the above news before writing this...true, the above could be a retrenching from an expected loss of Ukraine...keeping in place another round of confrontation.

The Machine grinds on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2021, 12:07:18 PM
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/)

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 22, 2021, 02:31:50 PM
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/)

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 23, 2021, 11:06:55 AM
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/)

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.


Like Putin Puppet Lukashenko asking for Russian nukes in Belarus...and Vlad has troops there already...I guess Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine deserve no buffer...

And while Putin likes to talk about Minsk till the ears bleed...never a word on 1994 Budapest...because adhering to that would make all Russian territorial grabs a criminal act...

And arming Muslims against the West is a Russian favorite too...none more disturbing at present than supporting that batshyt-crazy Mahdi Death Cult in Persia on the brink of deploying nuclear weapons...

The sins of humanity are legion and are not absent inside any border or absolved by rationalizations uttered by temporal potentates...

The bill comes due for all...no exceptions.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 23, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
A Russian state television host threatened on Sunday that the U.S. could be “reduced to radioactive ash” if it does not meet the demands laid out by Russia for deescalating tensions around Ukraine.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/12/russian-state-tv-says-us-will-reduced-radioactive-ash-us-doesnt-meet-russias-demands-regarding-ukraine/)

Sounds like good enough pretext to release the missiles in pre-emptive self-defense...

Waiting for Vlad to yank this Russian State-run media clown's chain in 3...2...1... (crickets)

Yes. What a clown. As bad as US MSM. BTW Pres Xi said something threatening to the US in a public speech that was mis-translated to the west. Something like bashing our brains against a steel wall.

 I am not criticizing US govt decisions here as I do not know anything. However, I recall that the US withdrew from a few treaties with USSR/Russia because we believed we had the upper hand. Maybe that was the right decision. Russia reacted with hypersonics.

I look at a map and conclude that the US is crazy to move troops and missiles so close to Russia.
Why? Russia wants a neutral buffer state in Ukraine that is not a threat. That is not unreasonable IMO.

I sometimes expect Russia to provide shoulder fired missiles to MX narco drug gangs the next time we arm Muslims against them.


Like Putin Puppet Lukashenko asking for Russian nukes in Belarus...and Vlad has troops there already...I guess Poland, the Baltics and Ukraine deserve no buffer...

And while Putin likes to talk about Minsk till the ears bleed...never a word on 1994 Budapest...because adhering to that would make all Russian territorial grabs a criminal act...

And arming Muslims against the West is a Russian favorite too...none more disturbing at present than supporting that batshyt-crazy Mahdi Death Cult in Persia on the brink of deploying nuclear weapons...

The sins of humanity are legion and are not absent inside any border or absolved by rationalizations uttered by temporal potentates...

The bill comes due for all...no exceptions.

I cannot figure out what Russia is doing with Iran. Their support seems luke warm. Both countries are supporting Assad.
In part because both countries do not want ISIS controlling Syria then spilling their mayhem into Iran and Russia. The US support of ISIS and AQ in Syria chilled me.

According to the Duran, the US backed a failed coup in Belarus.
The Israeli piloted F35s against the Russian S400s looks interesting.

Lib Max Blumenthal wrote a good book The Management of Savagery, about how the US, Saudis, and the West think they can manage Muslim savagery against their enemies. How did Osama bin Laden turn out? I see why the US backed him and others against the USSR in Afghanistan but I wish we had not.

The father of the bomber of the Ariana Grande concert, and perhaps the bomber himself, were supported by UK govt against Qaddafi. The Paki govt used to be kinda mello until the US govt backed the Muslim fanatic faction to help us with Afghanistan.

With 20/20 hind sight, why did we care about Iraq taking over Kuwait? Did Bush 1 OK it? Libya was a total abortion and crime against humanity by the US and the West. The UK House of commons drilled down and concluded as much in a report.

Let Europe sort itself out. Let Russia take back some ethnic Russian parts if they want. Better in the long run. I really do not care. Russia does not want to take over hostile parts anyway as it is too much work.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 24, 2021, 12:38:56 PM


https://www.rt.com/russia/544306-us-military-ukrainian-front-lines/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/544306-us-military-ukrainian-front-lines/)
 US sending thousands of military personnel to Ukrainian front lines – Moscow
Moscow’s Foreign Ministry has accused the West of nudging Kiev into a full-blown conflict.
US sending thousands of military personnel to Ukrainian front lines – Moscow
© REUTERS / Sergei Karpukhin

As many as 10,000 Western military instructors have been sent to Ukraine to train the Eastern European nation’s soldiers and support its fighting in the Donbass, Moscow has claimed, insisting that 4,000 are Americans.
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https://voxday.net/2021/12/24/neocons-might-get-their-war/ (https://voxday.net/2021/12/24/neocons-might-get-their-war/)
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In early February 1990, U.S. leaders made the Soviets an offer. According to transcripts of meetings in Moscow on Feb. 9, then-Secretary of State James Baker suggested that in exchange for cooperation on Germany, U.S. could make “iron-clad guarantees” that NATO would not expand “one inch eastward.” Less than a week later, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev agreed to begin reunification talks. No formal deal was struck, but from all the evidence, the quid pro quo was clear: Gorbachev acceded to Germany’s western alignment and the U.S. would limit NATO’s expansion.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 25, 2021, 12:11:03 PM
Same dance as last time...

Putin denies pro-Russia/Russian mercenaries...but it was obvious from previous engagements incursions into Ukraine territory had non-conventional help...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/western-media-says-russia-deploying-mercenaries-east-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/western-media-says-russia-deploying-mercenaries-east-ukraine)

Who cares?  Everybody points fingers, positions are unchanged...might as well scream at a hurricane.

Get on with the killing already!

Bread & Circus!  Entertain me!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 25, 2021, 12:46:15 PM

I wonder if the US troops wear US uniforms. Likely so.
I recall the Russian troops wore non patched uniforms last time.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 25, 2021, 07:12:18 PM

Interesting article on the financial aspects of the Ukraine war drums. Every time the US sanctions a country they create the motive to work around the sanctions next time. Perhaps even erode the US dollar as the reserve currency.

What if the US kicks Russia out of SWIFT? Maybe very little or nothing.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-12-22/war-drums-are-beating (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-12-22/war-drums-are-beating)
War Drums Are Beating
Capitalist Exploits's Photo
by Capitalist Exploits
Friday, Dec 24, 2021 - 12:03
A RISK NOT DISCUSSED

It was around 2017 when I began seeing the ridiculous climate hysteria being pushed not just by dreadlocked physics deniers chaining themselves to trees but at an institutional level.

This, I thought to myself, was something very, very dangerous and which — if taken to any greater level — would ultimately bring about war.
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Well, back in late 2019 Russia managed to get itself into a situation where it’s net public debt reached zero.

In other words, if Russia suddenly needed to pay off all its debts immediately, it could do so just by dipping into the cash on account at the government deposits with the central bank and commercial banks.
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Russia and China have set up alternative to SWIFT. What if it works?
Also
(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/insider-weekly-225-07-3.jpeg?itok=VsOLOqBQ)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 26, 2021, 01:26:01 PM


Cold warrior George Kennan said NATO expansion was bad, back in 1998.
https://voxday.net/2021/12/26/why-they-hide-history/
Why They Hide History

The reason the Prometheans always advocate maleducation and Zero History ignorance of the past is because it allows them to repeatedly make false predictions about the obvious consequences of their actions. What we’re seeing now, with sudden avalanche of false denials that the USA ever promised Russia that NATO would not expand to Eastern Europe, was not only anticipated, it was foreseen by the builders of the so-called neo-liberal rules-based world order.

In 1998 Thomas Friedman interviewed George Kennan, one of the architects of NATO, and was warned by Kennan that NATO expansion was certain to create a martial response by Russia:
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”I think it is the beginning of a new cold war,” said Mr. Kennan from his Princeton home. ”I think the Russians will gradually react quite adversely and it will affect their policies. I think it is a tragic mistake. There was no reason for this whatsoever. No one was threatening anybody else. This expansion would make the Founding Fathers of this country turn over in their graves. We have signed up to protect a whole series of countries, even though we have neither the resources nor the intention to do so in any serious way. NATO expansion was simply a light-hearted action by a Senate that has no real interest in foreign affairs.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 27, 2021, 08:11:32 AM
Yeah well history is filled with elites making the same mistakes over and over again...it's like everybody knew Lenin and Marxism is antithetical to Liberty every bit as much as Hitler and Nazism...didn't stop people from doing nothing until too late was breached...and here we are with socialists dominating the West and far East and a hodgepodge selfish bastards of various stripes in the middle...and everybody making mistakes...

Circus, damnit!

PS - I see nothing new here...but others may find reason to bunch up their panties...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-preps-plan-actionable-intelligence-sharing-ukraine-if-russians-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-preps-plan-actionable-intelligence-sharing-ukraine-if-russians-attack)

SSDD

NY Slimes (snort!)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 27, 2021, 11:22:15 AM
Providing military info to Ukraine in real time will hurt the Russians in any fighting but the Ukrainians will suffer the most.
The US ruined most of Ukraine starting with the 2014 coup. It started when the Ukraine govt opted for a trade deal with Russia rather than the EU. Russia offered a sweet deal. The US would rather ruin Ukraine than allow that.

I recently learned that the redditt default is to block any links to zerohedge. Mods might be able to over ride that, or not.
I sent my liberal sister a zero hedge link that linked to some liberal EU site. OECD? She replied that ZH was all lies and refused to read this liberal article. Same thing with The Duran. Her fact checking site tells her what sites to ignore.

I cannot imagine letting anyone tell me what to read. I watch some leftist sites via Roku. The Grayzone comes to mind. The Hill Rising is rather progressive as they describe most of themselves. Jimmy Dore is often good. Vox Day points me to some interesting thoughts and people like Michael Hudson.

IMO the best documentary on the USS Liberty was from Al Jazera. Rather shocking the first time I learned of this.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 27, 2021, 12:05:48 PM
ZH not liberal...PaulBot Libertarian.

I bet this crap...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8712e4211bed948c2b9e8c9521c2c11f69e1ceb62d1bb05d509dade78a2a93dd.jpg)

...flows right through her pipes...

 ::facepalm::

As for most decisions being made...the DeepState and its subsidiaries have the power...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ff5135adad6d4037a12f7d71ffef05040480a37df1b3621e7b06086773583bda.png)

...until more wake up and the many rise against the few...

...but I despair that ever happening until too late...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 27, 2021, 03:02:01 PM

I know that zero hedge is not liberal. My point is that because ZH linked to a kinda liberal site my sister refused to read the liberal site.
The article said that the US had a more unequal distribution of income than other developed countries. I thought that was a safe article to send to a liberal. I was wrong. It was tainted just because ZH linked to it.

The Duran was smeared by the media bias site because they said that Hillary sent weapons to Syria, as best I recall.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/
The Duran
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-duran/
Overall, we rate The Duran a Questionable source based on far-right-wing bias, promotion of Russian propaganda, and right-wing conspiracies, a lack of transparency, use of poor sources plagiarism and, failed fact checks.

Zero Hedge
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Overall, we rate ZeroHedge an extreme right-biased conspiracy website based on the promotion of false/misleading/debunked information that routinely denigrates the left.

The Gray Zone
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Trial Site News
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Overall, we rate TrialSite News a strong Pseudoscience source based on promoting misleading and false claims regarding Covid-19 vaccines.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 27, 2021, 04:29:49 PM
Yes, Hitlery...Obamao aremd batsh!t crazies...it's what they were trying to bury when Libya BS went down and our people were left to die on her watch and an Admiral & Marine General IIRC got sacked because they wanted to respond...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 28, 2021, 10:28:03 AM
Yes, Hitlery...Obamao aremd batsh!t crazies...it's what they were trying to bury when Libya BS went down and our people were left to die on her watch and an Admiral & Marine General IIRC got sacked because they wanted to respond...

The UK House of Commons later did a report on why the UK got involved in Libya. In short, oops, a giant mistake. No genocide either present or planned.

https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/ (https://www.salon.com/2016/09/16/u-k-parliament-report-details-how-natos-2011-war-in-libya-was-based-on-lies/)
U.K. Parliament report details how NATO's 2011 war in Libya was based on lies
British investigation: Gaddafi was not going to massacre civilians; Western bombing made Islamist extremism worse
By Ben Norton
Published September 16, 2016 3:21PM (EDT)


https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf (https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 29, 2021, 08:58:57 AM
More official Russian state-run boilerplate via a rabid CodePink site put on Rus-worshipping ZH -

As the US and Russia are preparing to hold security talks in January, Russian officials continue to criticize Washington’s military posture. On Monday, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov accused the US of lowering the threshold for the possible use of nuclear weapons.

"We in Moscow are committed to raising the threshold for the use of nuclear weapons. An opposite trend has been seen in the United States over the recent years, with the means for nuclear destruction appearing to be perceived more and more as a battlefield weapon. This is a dangerous trend," Ryabkov said, according to Russia’s TASS news agency.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-us-lowering-threshold-use-nuclear-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-us-lowering-threshold-use-nuclear-weapons)

Translation -  ::creepycryingbaby::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2021, 01:05:59 PM
Another CodePinko post at ZH...

Ukraine’s border service said on Tuesday that the US will finance projects to strengthen the country’s borders with Russia and Belarus.

The border service said the US will spend about $20 million to purchase video recording systems, drones, and personal protective equipment for Ukraine’s border guards.

Whooped-dee-doo...

More absconded taxpayer funds...75% of it pissed away in all manner of stupid crap I did not consent to...

PS-The weaponized Islaminals is not a conspiracy theory or a lie...Russia & vassals like dealing with those clowns...let them keep them...  ::vafancoul::

And we all know conspiracy theories can be conspiracy fact or conspiracy deceit! (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18781.new.html#new)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 30, 2021, 01:35:06 PM

The Duran guys estimated the funds spent on Ukraine by the US, EU, and IMF. 25 billion USD??? I cannot recall. The EU and IMF were forbidden by their own rules from spending such money. It almost all ended up in the pockets of people in DC, London, Brussels. Kinda like the US money spent on Afghanistan.

I think the US spent at least $5 billion on Ukraine. That was the official number.

Someone once said that the US is a super power with ADD. We may provoke military action between Ukraine and Russia then lose interest and walk away.

Meanwhile I read that Kosovo may merge with Albania which the US does not care about. I do not care but think we should have let the Serbs sort it out long ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2021, 02:04:12 PM

The Duran guys estimated the funds spent on Ukraine by the US, EU, and IMF. 25 billion USD??? I cannot recall. The EU and IMF were forbidden by their own rules from spending such money. It almost all ended up in the pockets of people in DC, London, Brussels. Kinda like the US money spent on Afghanistan.

I think the US spent at least $5 billion on Ukraine. That was the official number.

Someone once said that the US is a super power with ADD. We may provoke military action between Ukraine and Russia then lose interest and walk away.

Meanwhile I read that Kosovo may merge with Albania which the US does not care about. I do not care but think we should have let the Serbs sort it out long ago.

Maybe, maybe not...or walk somewhere else...

Point is, lunatics on all sides calling the shots...we are mere spectators hoping not to become unwilling participants in their crap...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 31, 2021, 01:31:27 PM
Hmmm, was this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sends-spy-plane-over-ukraine-assess-troop-build-both-sides (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sends-spy-plane-over-ukraine-assess-troop-build-both-sides)

...before or after the Thursday call with Putin?

While the US description of the call was thin on reaction and detail, the Kremlin hailed the talk as "good, constructive" and "frank" - and as ultimately setting the stage for the expected January 10 talks over Russia's stipulated NATO "security guarantees" which will be held in Geneva.
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According to the Reuters wire soon after the call, the Kremlin said the US president showed a "willingness" to address core Russian concerns, but also reiterated the sanctions threat against Moscow. However, Biden was cited as saying he would avoid deploying offensive weapons in Ukraine in order to work toward de-escalation.
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"Our president immediately responded to that by saying that if the West goes ahead to introduce abovementioned unprecedented sanctions, then all that could cause a total severance of relations between our countries and most serious damage will be done to Russia’s relations with the West in general," the Kremlin statement said in reference to the Thursday call.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-hails-biden-putin-call-good-basis-dial-down-ukraine-tensions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-hails-biden-putin-call-good-basis-dial-down-ukraine-tensions)

So, either peace or war is on the horizon?  Sounds like no change to me...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 01, 2022, 09:57:37 AM

I may rewatch one. I turned the first on in AM bit feel asleep. He is long winded as usual.
The first video seemed OK.

https://youtu.be/4oclka0LhEw
Putin Warns Biden Against Sanctions, Hints at Tough Retaliation, Ukraine Excluded from Main Talks
25,695 views
Dec 31, 2021 1 hour long.
Alexander Mercouris
49.1K subscribers

https://youtu.be/COuLfVlDLMQ
White House Floats Concessions to Russia in Advance of Biden-Putin Call
28,466 views
Dec 30, 2021 30 min.
Alexander Mercouris
49.1K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 01, 2022, 12:39:11 PM
There still seems a lot of talking around each other...and Zelensky can't be too happy about Vlad the Conqueror and Joe the Dementia-riddled Fraud deciding he and his nations fate...

IME it's the excluded that can hump your plans apart as much as the actions of a principle foe...

Oh well, who cares?  Not like anybody listens to us, learns from history or otherwise GAFF...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 01, 2022, 04:04:05 PM
There still seems a lot of talking around each other...and Zelensky can't be too happy about Vlad the Conqueror and Joe the Dementia-riddled Fraud deciding he and his nations fate...

IME it's the excluded that can hump your plans apart as much as the actions of a principle foe...

Oh well, who cares?  Not like anybody listens to us, learns from history or otherwise GAFF...

I put Alexander Mercouris on via Roku. He said the sequence of meetings means that the US and Russia will meet and maybe agree on something then tell Ukraine the results later. Like you just said.  He goes on too long. He is the son of a diplomat so he gets off on the details.

He said that Russia is making demands. Then the US seems to agree to meet on the demands for 2 days. He also said the US is asking the Russians to de-escalate.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2022, 12:04:28 PM
There still seems a lot of talking around each other...and Zelensky can't be too happy about Vlad the Conqueror and Joe the Dementia-riddled Fraud deciding he and his nations fate...

IME it's the excluded that can hump your plans apart as much as the actions of a principle foe...

Oh well, who cares?  Not like anybody listens to us, learns from history or otherwise GAFF...

I put Alexander Mercouris on via Roku. He said the sequence of meetings means that the US and Russia will meet and maybe agree on something then tell Ukraine the results later. Like you just said.  He goes on too long. He is the son of a diplomat so he gets off on the details.

He said that Russia is making demands. Then the US seems to agree to meet on the demands for 2 days. He also said the US is asking the Russians to de-escalate.

I instinctually despise neo-hereditary elites...America was founded on principles that ended such despotic feudalism.

See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/imperialist-russia-four-western-provocations-led-current-us-russia-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/imperialist-russia-four-western-provocations-led-current-us-russia-crisis)

I deny outright any and all knee-jerk blame-America-first bullsplatter.  Indeed this Cato/Statecraft guy even undercuts such at the outset...

In her memoir "Madame Secretary," former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations and secretary of state Madeleine Albright concedes that Clinton administration officials decided already in 1993 to endorse the wishes of Central and East European countries to join NATO. The Alliance proceeded to add Poland, the Czech Republic, and Hungary in 1998. Albright admitted that Russian President Boris Yeltsin and his associates were extremely unhappy with that development. The Russian reaction was understandable, since the expansion violated informal promises that President George H. W. Bush’s administration had given Moscow when Mikhail Gorbachev had agreed not only to accept a unified Germany but a united Germany in NATO.  The implicit quid pro quo was that NATO would not move beyond the eastern border of a united Germany. 

Informal promises...

Bush was an old guard pragmatist, it was wise not to promise anything in writing...

That being said, it was Clinton and Not-at-Albright who got us into an arena only the fracking gutless EU should have been involved with!

NATO’s 1995 air war against Bosnian Serbs seeking to secede from the newly minted country of Bosnia-Herzegovina and the imposition of the Dayton Peace Accords greatly annoyed Yeltsin’s government and the Russian people. The Balkans had been a region of considerable religious and strategic interest to Moscow for generations, and it was humiliating for Russians to watch impotently as a U.S.-led alliance dictated outcomes there. The Western powers conducted an even greater provocation four years later when they intervened on behalf of a secessionist insurgency in Serbia’s restless Kosovo province. Detaching that province from Serbia and placing it under U.N. control not only set an unhealthy international precedent, but the move also displayed utter contempt for Russia’s interests and preferences in the Balkans.

Clinton abused GHWB's pragmatic approach for a decidedly interventionist power play and the defeated post-Soviet Russians were powerless to resist.  The former is the sin, the latter a reparations.  And all that followed for the US stuck with the Clinton template.  The former Yugoslavia was never a unified country except as a result of Tito dominance, fear and terror...it was never going to end well no matter what.  But Russians have thin skins, thinner egos and long memories.  They should have licked their wounds and shored up their fractured demoralized and weak nation...they didn't until Putin but ended up with restoring a pre-revolutionary Imperialist version akin to their Czarist days.  Everything that followed, NATO, Ukraine, Crimea...all of it could have been negotiated has Russia not sought to enrich itself at the West's expense by arming and supporting the most batshyt crazy islaminal regimes on the planet (Iran, Syria, etc) and socialist regimes (Venezuela, Cuba) as it made them look no different in character than when they were Soviets.

As I've said hundreds of times, there are no innocents on either side, each ran with their templates and each talks over the other...and here we are at the likely inevitable.

At least Stockman has the intellectual honesty to acknowledge the bogus claim of using ethnic Russians in Ukraine as a rallying cry for Russia's claim that huge swaths of Ukraine belongs to them!

Ukraine’s history can be summarized as follows:

700 or so years as a meandering set of borders in search of a country (1200 AD to 1922);

69 years as an administrative appendage of totalitarian Soviet rulers in Moscow, who purged Tartars and replanted Russians in the eastern regions along the way;

23 years as a happenstance nation-state that fell into existence when the biggest and most evil empire in history collapsed overnight (1991–2014); and

7 years as a pretext for Washington interventionists, neocons and anti-Trump Dems to rekindle cold war fears, the better to keep hideously swollen national security budgets firmly in place.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/david-stockman-prospect-world-war-iii (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/david-stockman-prospect-world-war-iii)

Further buttressing my assertion that there is indeed NO innocents on either side.  The way out of this was murdered by Clinton...and there is no way out now that leaves one or the other shamed and angry.  Peace cannot happen with Czarist Russia or the corrupt uni-party Deep-state tyranny in America.

ETA - Truman Strike Group ordered to stay in Med.

https://saraacarter.com/us-warships-ordered-to-stay-in-mediterranean-as-ukraine-russia-tensions-grow/ (https://saraacarter.com/us-warships-ordered-to-stay-in-mediterranean-as-ukraine-russia-tensions-grow/)

Leaving nobody for the 5th Fleet (Persian Gulf) but the Essex (LHD-2) ARG in the Gulf of Aden...typically a carrier group and its airwing are on-station with the ARG, but the Vinson is homeward bound in the Guam area and nothing else seems to be ready for deployment yet, and there is 5 carriers in RCOH, DPIA or PIA...and Reagan just got off tour and should remain for Pacific patrol (China) leaving Nimitz (coming off PIA and needing workups)...Lincoln (has been working up after being in PIA, may be ready)...Bush (has been doing quals coming out of DPIA, may be ready soon) and Ford (in PIA and likely not to go out on maiden deployment till Summer/Fall)...so it's up to Lincoln (San Diego) and Bush (Norfolk) to fill any demands.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 05, 2022, 05:13:00 PM


The Duran gives some interesting history in Sweden and Finland. More interesting than most of their stuff.
Might Sweden and Finland join NATO?
Sweden is already very NATO friendly. No big deal. Finland would be different. There are lots of pro Swedish and also pro Russian factions in Finland. Also anti factions. Each country used to rule Finland. Street signs in Helsinki are also in Swedish.
https://rumble.com/vs08g1-finland-and-sweden-flirt-with-nato-membership-to-counter-russia.htmlFinland and Sweden flirt with NATO membership to counter Russia
The Duran Published January 5, 2022  30 min long
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 05, 2022, 07:43:29 PM

Apparently the Germans are moving more toward Nordstream 2 and better relations with Russia.
https://youtu.be/huLZRK2yYNk
German Chancellor Scholz wants 'fresh start' with Putin. Green Party Baerbock sidelined
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2022, 08:33:00 AM
Finns have some bloody history with the Rus.

Germans like the French are a lost cause...could literally care less what their fate is...I know they aren't worth an American life to me...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 06, 2022, 02:20:06 PM
Some guy talking about Ukraine on Grayzone. Grayzone is far left but not always wrong and not crazy. He worked for Trump.
This guy thinks that Russia will invade in next couple months but has no interest is anything beyond the Russian ethnic areas of Ukraine.
 He says that US refusal to recognize any Russian security interest in independent Ukraine (not NATO)  leaves Russia no choice but to invade.

He says a big anti Russian lobby in US govt. Big MIC money to be made. He noted that Germany and Russia have huge trading positions with each other. They were each others number one trading partners before WWI and WWII. Nordstream 2 will be completed and OKed. Says that Trump's own party subverted him on Russia.  Trump's appointees subverted him on foreign policy.

After 30 min he talks about how the US backed AQ in Syria. he says the US president should fire people but they do not. Emotional not rational. Also bombing Serbs. Goes back to Clinton, then GWB, Obama, Trump, now Biden. We pissed off everyone.

DC is "occupied territory." Occupied by lobbyists from corporations including MIC lobby.

https://youtu.be/zkYgXQo2aQs?list=TLPQMDYwMTIwMjLZ0hyyqn9s8g
US war lobby fuels conflict in Russia, Ukraine, and Syria: ex-Pentagon advisor
12,791 views
Jan 5, 2022
The Grayzone
163K subscribers
Douglas Macgregor, a retired US Army Colonel and former Pentagon senior advisor, analyzes the US-Russia standoff in Ukraine; the aftermath of the US withdrawal from Afghanistan; Trump's failure to act on 2016 campaign anti-interventionist rhetoric, only to surround himself with neocons; and the ongoing, overlooked US military occupation of Syria after the decade-long CIA dirty war.

"The Military Industrial Congressional Complex," Macgregor says, "seems to be more powerful than anyone who occupies the office of the presidency."

Guest: Douglas Macgregor, retired US Army Colonel and former Pentagon senior advisor.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2022, 04:25:12 PM
As I stated earlier the Rus claim to ethnic areas cannot be legitimate if in the past pogroms clearing the indigenous out and settling Rus there was the basis for claiming it later...

Far be it from me to point out that bloody hypocrisy...or the violation of established borders under the Budapest Memorandum...de facto ethnic cleansing in other peoples territory doesn't make the Rus right...just like picking and choosing which agreements to honor and which ones not is isn't honorable!

You really want true "justice"?

Kick the fvcking ethnic Rus back to Russia and tell them a wrong by their ancestors is now corrected, so fvck off!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 07, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
With the Kazakh distraction in play...more air-war moves and counter-moves in Poland and Belarus...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sends-f-16-jets-poland-joint-rapid-deployment-training-eye-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sends-f-16-jets-poland-joint-rapid-deployment-training-eye-ukraine)

I may be wrong but it appears to me the US Deep State and NATO and Putin and his vassals are committed to confrontation...and I see nothing among mortals stopping it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2022, 08:56:19 AM
With Kazakhstan appearing more and more like a trap well laid and an excuse too yummy to not exploit as a war rally for Russia (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18799.new.html#new)...my assertion that the positions of all making war inevitable remains undeniable.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2022, 11:57:21 AM
Calling all Uni-Party DeepState jackasses...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-seeking-advice-russia-hawks-how-handle-ukraine-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-seeking-advice-russia-hawks-how-handle-ukraine-talks)

...the whole planet is incapable of staying out of everybody's business and everybody's property...

Naturally I favor a more logical and legal approach...tell the West to stay out of Ukraine...and tell the damned Russians to stay out of Ukraine, period...in return for repatriating the illegal squatters of Russian ancestry dumped in the region by past pogroms...otherwise said ethnic Russians will be executed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2022, 09:17:32 AM
What a mutual-sh!t-show...

Red lines not ultimatums?

Speaking from Moscow, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov tried to assure the good faith nature of its engaging with NATO this week. "We are not negotiating from a position of strength; there is not, and nor can there be, any place for ultimatums here," he said as the talks in Brussels were initiated Wednesday. This amid continued accusations that its troop build-up is all about forcing NATO to the table and forcing leverage to protect Moscow's red lines.

But he underscored that Russia must see that the West is taking its demands seriously and implementing positive action, according to Reuters. Also according to Reuters, the Russian side again emphasized its central request of no further NATO eastward expansion, which it's further seeking written security guarantees to ensure:

Grushko, a former Russian ambassador to NATO, has said Russia wants to avoid confrontation. His direct colleague Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov - who held talks with the United States in Geneva but who was not in Brussels on Wednesday - has said Ukraine must never be allowed to join NATO.

NATO responds with sovereignty...

NATO has no immediate plans to admit Ukraine, but says Russia cannot dictate its relations with other sovereign states.

NATO diplomats, meanwhile, have sought to present this week's talks as not a "negotiation" but as an initial "dialogue" and have said they would be deemed successful if they simply led to more open talks. This while calling the draft proposals submitted by Moscow thus far "unacceptable".

...and then asks for fantasy...

"Let's be clear: Russian actions have precipitated this crisis. We are committed to using diplomacy to de-escalate the situation," U.S. envoy to NATO Julianne Smith said at a press conference Tuesday night. She said of the alleged some 100,000 Russian troops mustered near the Ukrainian border: "We want to see ... Russia pulling back its forces."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-lays-out-security-demands-nato-hq-amid-live-fire-exercises-near-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-lays-out-security-demands-nato-hq-amid-live-fire-exercises-near-ukraine)

...and since both are ignoring history (see my previous comments on the forced cleansing and Russification of Ukrainian territory) the end result result is as obvious as it is tragic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 13, 2022, 08:17:44 AM
Seems the Euro's are more adamant about keeping Russia firmly at bay than anyone...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-we-wont-given-right-station-troops-states-ringing-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-we-wont-given-right-station-troops-states-ringing-russia)

MICIMATT?  Well, that's a mouthful, but OK.  Word of caution - article below is authored by a dude with the surname McGovern with an outfit called AntiWar.com...so, grains of salt...this bunch is against everything and anything remotely aggressive...well, except foreign aggressors...whom like the PaulBot/CodePink crowd think would be exceptionally behaved if left alone...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-us-russia-talks-are-really-about-where-not-place-missiles (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-us-russia-talks-are-really-about-where-not-place-missiles)

...but even a blind squirrel can find a nut so it should be no surprise that INF (and by implication hypersonic weapons) are weaved throughout American and Russian concerns...

ETA - Fugly Farkas sighting...

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1481485148856143878 (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1481485148856143878)

...and has FoggyBottom pals joining in the war-drum banging...

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 14, 2022, 08:41:24 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/american-diplomats-geneva-paris-fall-victim-havana-syndrome (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/american-diplomats-geneva-paris-fall-victim-havana-syndrome)

Given the proximity of these incidents and hot points of discussions...seems to point a finger at Moscow...

Chi-Com outside possibility but with respect to Ukraine, Kazakhstan...no different if Russia, China, or both...

And the timing is coincidental...

Truman & Prince of Wales carrier groups lead Exercise Cold Response in Arctic Sea north of Norway...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/two-nato-carrier-groups-sail-north-large-scale-arctic-exercises-near-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/two-nato-carrier-groups-sail-north-large-scale-arctic-exercises-near-russia)

I've been in the North Pacific in Aleutian waters...coldest meanest angriest ocean I ever saw...and this is like that...operations are going to be difficult and scaled down...these are not normal seas...

Let's see what Russia does with hyper-sonic tests...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 14, 2022, 05:30:09 PM

Alexander is long winded as usual.
He notes that the official Biden position is to sanction Russia (and maybe block Nordstream ?) and Ted Cruz moved to sanction Russia so it should be easy BUT ..... the Dems really do not want to sanction Russia, just talk tough.
So Sen Mendes came up with sanctions lite.  This included sanctions against Russian banks BUT only the big ones, maybe because Germany needs Russian banks open to do business.

He said US went to negotiations to make threats and tell Russia exactly what the sanctions would be should they invade Ukraine. So the Russians know in advance what will happen.

https://youtu.be/c3Y47pkTXXk
US Struggles to Respond to Russia, Uses Filibuster it Opposes to Block Sanctions on Nord Stream 2

blue norsky
blue norsky
1 hour ago
USA would have no chance in a poker game with the Ruski's even if the Americans marked the cards.The Russians know their every move as it has been well thought out before they even started the game.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 14, 2022, 06:41:02 PM

Escobar and the Duran analyze the Ukraine situation in similar ways. Interesting.
When right meets left.

BTW you don't have to agree with Escobar, The Duran,  Grayzone, to appreciate a different point of view.
So much better than the MSM. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2022, 12:08:58 PM
I don't agree with many...because of reasons of intellectual dishonesty more than any anything...all pass misinformation and push an agenda...arguing over scope and scale doesn't make one more correct than the other...

And I have yet to see an intellectually honest answer to the 2 central issues all sides are ignoring or dodging with respect to Ukraine:

1)  I can understand why Russia and Pro-Russia people ignore the pogroms of the past and the illegal settlement of ethnic Russians in other peoples territory because it accurately delegitimizes claims to saving said territories from those despicably evil people wanting it back....what is even more curious is the lack among the pro-nation-building Americans and Euros to even raise this most pertinent fact?  Obviously to the well-informed it is because they do not care about legitimate independence of the nation in question any more than the Russians they oppose give a crap about it.  But no reporting agency or nation on the planet is raising the point, which in itself should give every soul on the planet a justifiably deep concern over the future prospects of humanity along this trajectory...they are all complicit with the totalitarian agendas of all these regimes no matter their spot on the globe or the pleasant-sounding descriptions the put to the actions the take on any issue...and a world of masters and slaves is the only result and millions if not billions will die if that's what it takes to achieve it.

2)  Nobody has settled the issue of latter day agreements - Budapest that came first and signatories agreed to respect established borders & Minsk I & II that followed that Russia favors over the former for obvious reasons.  And nobody appears interested in reconciling them.

You posit that Putin knows how it all will unfold...then obviously he bears the highest burden for accountability for what happens each step along the way...otherwise your assertion collapses into hyperbole.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sullivan-chances-russia-invades-ukraine-high (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sullivan-chances-russia-invades-ukraine-high)

Putin declared the talks unproductive before their conclusion, and knew using them as a club re: then-pending sanctions bill going through the Senate looks ad hom given the reaffirmed unproductive nature of said talks...and I suspect the to-be-held arms control and missile deployment talks are already deemed unproductive...so Putin has also predetermined to use a series of talks he is predisposed to be uncooperative in as a pretext for another invasion he has already decided upon and every escalation that follows is also likely scripted out for immediate action.

Furthermore, since Putin's prescience is predicated upon his unassailable brilliance and the West's collective weakness and moral turpitude he clearly envisions no scenario in which he does not get what he wants and there is no way he and Mother Russia can be harmed in the process, so naturally it is logically obvious the only way such unmolested supremacy can be achieved is for the depraved West to capitulate.  While I cannot obviously say given recent history that cutting and running is not an unreasonable possibility, it is perhaps short-sighted to assume it will occur given the rapid events escalating simultaneously on a global level.  Focusing on America (but many of the same issues arise in various forms and depths in all nations) the current occupier of the White House and his team are facing (many self-inflicted) crises: faltering trust in government driven in most respects by economic mismanagement, plandemic despotism, international humiliation and a backlash to massive political overreach resulting in a series of legislative setbacks and judicial speed-bumps...an insane rabid desperate cornered dog may not be capable of backing down and in the mood for another stunning defeat. 

But, Putin is an unassailable genius and everything is factored in and all is well...we have nothing to fear.

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2022, 01:32:03 PM

Stalin moved people around the USSR for evil political purposes I cannot recall the details of. IMO not much can be done about that now. I recall NATO protected the Albanians who migrated into Serbian areas in another country. Expelling them was not allowed and I cannot imagine expelling the ethnic Russians from Ukraine to undo what Stalin did if that is the reason for the ethnic Russians being in Eastern Ukraine. I cannot remember.

Putin and the Russians can think more than one step ahead. IMO the US govt cannot think even one step ahead. The Duran guys are both sons of diplomats as I recall. So they obsess on diplomacy and talk about it all the time. Both the Duran and the Grayzone say that US diplomats are chuckle-heads. Not their exact words. They laugh at their incompetence.

The Duran said that the US diplomats are very smart boys and girls who went to all the right schools and joined the right organizations but they could not negotiate a used car purchase.

For the sake of argument, lets say the Russians are evil and the US is good.
What are the goals of the countries?
Russia
1. We do not want NATO forces on our doorstep, similar to the Monroe doctrine.
2. Do not harm ethnic Russians inside your country that was part of the USSR. Blood is thicker than water.

US
1. Lets piss off the Russians.
2. Lets try to weaken Russia.
3. What about Ukraine? We do not care. Just like we did not care about Libya or Syria. Leave it in ruins.
4. We have no long term goals.


What would happen after the US imposed trade sanctions against Russia?
1. Russia would change trade partners and become self sufficient in those goods.
2. The countries selling to Russia were screwed.This included Greece and many other countries
3.  Ukrainian industries selling to Russia were screwed and the EU was not going to allow such imports from Ukraine.
4. Russia is now self sufficient in food and is a large exporter.
5. Russia is now aligned with China, their second choice after Europe.

What would happen after the US imposed financial sanctions against Russia and announced they might kick Russia off SWIFT in the future?
1. Russia develops an alternative to SWIFT.

What would happen after the US financial sanctions against Russia?
1. Russia now has a balanced budget and has no net financial debt. They have no need to borrow on the international markets. I think they even have a net trade surplus? 

What would happen after the US sanctions too many countries?
1. They turn to China.
2. They develop alternatives to the dollar for trade. Slowly but surely.
3. The US dollar will not be the reserve currency sooner rather than later.

Good luck with threatening Russia with sanctions.  The Duran said that after previous US sanction threats some Russian financial markets tanked. Maybe the ruble or bank stocks? This time nothing happened.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2022, 02:23:55 PM

Stalin moved people around the USSR for evil political purposes I cannot recall the details of. IMO not much can be done about that now. I recall NATO protected the Albanians who migrated into Serbian areas in another country. Expelling them was not allowed and I cannot imagine expelling the ethnic Russians from Ukraine to undo what Stalin did if that is the reason for the ethnic Russians being in Eastern Ukraine. I cannot remember.

Putin and the Russians can think more than one step ahead. IMO the US govt cannot think even one step ahead. The Duran guys are both sons of diplomats as I recall. So they obsess on diplomacy and talk about it all the time. Both the Duran and the Grayzone say that US diplomats are chuckle-heads. Not their exact words. They laugh at their incompetence.

The Duran said that the US diplomats are very smart boys and girls who went to all the right schools and joined the right organizations but they could not negotiate a used car purchase.

For the sake of argument, lets say the Russians are evil and the US is good.
What are the goals of the countries?
Russia
1. We do not want NATO forces on our doorstep, similar to the Monroe doctrine.
2. Do not harm ethnic Russians inside your country that was part of the USSR. Blood is thicker than water.

US
1. Lets piss off the Russians.
2. Lets try to weaken Russia.
3. What about Ukraine? We do not care. Just like we did not care about Libya or Syria. Leave it in ruins.
4. We have no long term goals.


What would happen after the US imposed trade sanctions against Russia?
1. Russia would change trade partners and become self sufficient in those goods.
2. The countries selling to Russia were screwed.This included Greece and many other countries
3.  Ukrainian industries selling to Russia were screwed and the EU was not going to allow such imports from Ukraine.
4. Russia is now self sufficient in food and is a large exporter.
5. Russia is now aligned with China, their second choice after Europe.

What would happen after the US imposed financial sanctions against Russia and announced they might kick Russia off SWIFT in the future?
1. Russia develops an alternative to SWIFT.

What would happen after the US financial sanctions against Russia?
1. Russia now has a balanced budget and has no net financial debt. They have no need to borrow on the international markets. I think they even have a net trade surplus? 

What would happen after the US sanctions too many countries?
1. They turn to China.
2. They develop alternatives to the dollar for trade. Slowly but surely.
3. The US dollar will not be the reserve currency sooner rather than later.

Good luck with threatening Russia with sanctions.  The Duran said that after previous US sanction threats some Russian financial markets tanked. Maybe the ruble or bank stocks? This time nothing happened.

Obviously I call BS on that! 

First, it's intellectually lazy.

Second, it excuses past sins to commit new ones.

Third, there is something to be done...tell Vlad to take his Rus squatters back and STFO of other people's territory.

I know, it asks a lot...the least of which is honesty and integrity.

Plus, if you think dumping people in an area and then coming back and using it as an example to exert Monroe Doctrine rights for the conqueror...then there is a sh!tload of opportunity out there for all to have a blast with!!!

And, buttressing my insane rabid desperate cornered dog characterization of the JoeFraud regime...

Jack Posobiec - This morning I warned you the admin was getting desperate and discussing military options in Ukraine to distract from their domestic failures: (https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1482053608921255937)

All is well, Chessmaster Putin has this all gamed out.  No war, no widening conflict...peace, love, good will among men and harmony will prevail...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2022, 03:00:04 PM
My point was that even if Putin is evil his goals are clear and he acts to achieve them. Also China. The US goals are to poke the bear and enrich the defense contractors. What happens next is not thought of.

The Russians moved to Ukraine had little choice. Stalin moved around lots of people.
I think he deported lots of Tartars from Crimea.
USSR deported all ethnic Germans from many countries after WWII. They had been imported in part because of their great farming expertise. There were German cities deep inside Russia for a  long time. Maybe hundreds of years. They may have been allowed to govern themselves?

The Monroe Doctrine type thinking would apply to Ukraine without a single Russian living there. They don't want NATO tanks on their borders. Even if that is evil that is their goal.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2022, 05:27:05 PM



Alexander is saying that the Russians met with US. Provided written demands for written US guarantees. Will not meet again with Americans. Will await WRITTEN replies from US.

He thinks Russians will not invade. Germany is saying that anything that would disrupt their gas would really hurt them now.
He said Blinken was told by Germans and EU that sanctions would hurt them too much. He said that pissed off Blinken to no end.

Max Blumenthal named Blinken "Blinkenskrieg."  He has a wicked sense of humor.

Long. 51 min.
https://youtu.be/hk9b0yw1XBk
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 15, 2022, 05:49:11 PM
I am just reporting what Alexander said about Russian diplomat Lavrov.
US says countries have the right to chose alliances.
BUT
 EU parliament passed resolution against Russia union with Belarus to stop it.
Turkey, India Indonesia and Egypt threatened with US sanctions for defense cooperation with Russia.
Germany must negotiate with US to build pipeline with Russia.

When US sanctioned farm exports from US to Russia back when it harmed US farmers. Under Carter?
2014 US sanctions against Russia were to harm Russia but less US and EU.
Now Russia is immune to most harm from sanctions BUT Germany and EU would get clobbered so they do not want sanctions. THIS is what pissed off Blinken.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2022, 10:48:10 AM
Well, as this is a microcosm of what the (snort!) so-called professionals are encountering I don't think I can make my points any more clear...suffice it to say that ego, greed and pride often trample facts, wisdom and justice...and I see nothing from any side that indicates a single element of the latter exists.

I see no heroes anywhere in this...no saints, no martyrs, no prophets...no champions, no knights, no justice...no wisdom...I see every one of the Seven Deadly Sins and nothing else.

What comes of this conflict or any other is never going to be long lasting any way you cut it...the species is simply too stupid to live at this point...and it is retrograding globally at an alarming rate....

There is only one conclusion sane people can agree on - we cannot do anything about things like this so we best look to ourselves and our families and loved ones.

ETA -

Peskov decried the current atmosphere where the West is blowing off Russia's legitimate security concerns, and seems unwilling to compromise: “This is the reason we are insisting on receiving a direct response." He said that his side in good faith offered "extremely specific proposals" - presented to Washington and Brussels in the form of the draft 'security guarantees' earlier this month.

He stressed that while Moscow isn't at the moment "speaking about military action" - it remains that Russia is not "going to say that we will not deploy any offensive weapons on Ukraine’s territory."

However, it remains unclear the degree to which he posited this as 'an option'. Instead, it seems the remarks simply reflect that with no apparent willingness to compromise coming out of the West, the Kremlin can't in turn take any option of the table.

Of the more controversial statements by Peskov, Russian media clarified the following:

Later, on Sunday, Peskov elaborated on what he had said about potential weapons deployment to Ukraine. Before any judgment was passed, he told Russian media, his statement needed to be understood in context, adding that a quote attributed to him by America's Bloomberg was "their words." RT was unable to access the full interview at the time of publication.

 ::hysterical::  Naturally!   ::laughonfloor::

The hyperbole and pettiness of all concerned is hilarious!  Just reinforces my assessment that every one of these professionals is a sack of sh!t.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 16, 2022, 12:31:11 PM

Even if Peskov is a sack of sh*t I understand what he is saying. I don't have to agree with his goals to understand them.

I have no idea what the US goals are other than to poke the bear and undermine Russia
What were the US long term goals in Libya, Syria, and Ukraine?
I once listened to some Ghaddafi remarks in front of the UN and was shocked at how much sense he made.
I agreed with maybe half but I understood them all.

Trivia: I read a book on the French conquest of the Sahara and another on maybe taking over Morocco? Sultans were chosen based on blood  lines, Islamic scholarship, and military prowess. It helped if they were a little bit crazy. Crazy meant they were closer to God. I thought of Ghaddafi.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 16, 2022, 04:08:14 PM

I did not watch the whole thing. This is a crazy idea. If the goal is to ruin Ukraine further then this will help.
This is based on a recent NYT article floating this idea.

https://youtu.be/Y3J0in2NF9s
Lacking Military Options US Considers Disastrous Plan to Sponsor Partisan War in Ukraine
10,062 views
Jan 16, 2022
Alexander Mercouris
50.5K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 16, 2022, 06:29:54 PM

Alex expounds on this. I have it on in background on roku. Says Biden is acting on Ukraine to distract from build back better, OSHA, low approval ratings.

I remember what some Reagan admin person said about the Korean airlines shoot down. "Everybody lies, the trick is to lie first."  There was some minor (IMO) US manipulation of the recording of the Russian air defense recording as bet I recall. It made the Russians look a little worse than they already did, which was bad.


https://youtu.be/kIOrJzJI8ek
Psaki says Russia preparing false flag to invade Ukraine
3,322 views
Jan 16, 2022
Alex Christoforou
36.2K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2022, 08:33:10 AM
Full scale war...limited war...protracted insurgency...

Yeah, so?

Nobody GAFF...

This is their playground not anybody else's...

There is no such thing as a crazy idea in a world overflowing with imbeciles...

Grab a chair, crack a brew...enjoy the show... 

ETA - The latest not a be concerned about...

RUssian cyber attacks (https://www.westernjournal.com/ukraine-russia-just-made-first-attack-new-hybrid-war/) and another fantasy has the pro-Rus camp alleging American spooks at Langley bringing Ukrainians in to train them as Russian-murdering insurgents (http://=ttps://trendingpolitics.com/the-cia-is-training-ukrainian-paramilitaries-to-kill-russians-as-the-globalists-push-for-war-with-russia/).

Ahh, such drama...

Raise the curtain already!!!   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2022, 08:39:23 AM
Oh, Lord...these people are all over the map with excuses...

But Moscow is pointing the finger right back at NATO, with on Sunday Putin's spokesman admitting Russian troops are on the border because it can no longer "tolerate" NATO's own "gradual invasion" of Ukraine.

Wow, such possessiveness is indicative of unyielding intent and does little to convince anyone paying attention that invasion is not in the offing.

I would call this hand immediately.

Ukraine is there for the taking!  Might makes right, so get mighty.  Don't miss your fair share!

So, only a neighbor can invade a neighbor?  Cool, sell a sh*tload of weapons and arms to Poland (and other interested neighbors), let them march...   :o

The energy side is tilted...with the EU (especially the German's) submitting to Russian control any efforts to bypass them will collapse, and it will be the Euro's who drive it.

Everybody involved with this is a snot-nosed toddler...   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2022, 09:12:22 AM
 ::rimshot::

More war drums...as Russia & Belarus launch "snap" drills in the latter's back yard...

The Russian official additionally informed NATO diplomats that its "S-400 missile systems would be deployed as part of the exercises in Belarus."

https://youtu.be/_dgOnzmIyj8 (https://youtu.be/_dgOnzmIyj8)

Babushka, is this a good thing?  Da.  OK then...

UK promises defensive weapons sales to Ukraine...

"We have taken the decision to supply Ukraine with light anti-armor defensive weapons systems," Wallace told the Commons on Monday, adding that “a small number” of British troops would provide training to help Kyiv’s forces in using them.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-snap-war-drills-belarus-aimed-thwarting-external-aggression (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-launches-snap-war-drills-belarus-aimed-thwarting-external-aggression)

A more curious development is the statement by the new German Chancellor Olaf Scholz - "Germany may consider halting the Nord Stream 2 pipeline if Russia attacks Ukraine, Chancellor Olaf Scholz signaled on Tuesday, as pressure grew on his government to take a more hawkish stance on the Kremlin," Reuters reports of the statements made after he met with NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg.


That Stoltenberg must be one silver-tongued devil to get so many marching to his tune, eh?

Ahh heck, all is well...nobody is serious about war or inflexible to peace and cooperation...everything will be fine.

https://youtu.be/k40GOWT31Jw (https://youtu.be/k40GOWT31Jw)

SWIFT not off the table...  Damn face, off with the nose!

 ::unknowncomic::

ETA - Lot of news pouring in today...

I hear the Russians best amphibious group is moving into the Black Sea...

And now His Fraudulency is giving Ukraine $200M in aid...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-giving-ukraine-200m-more-military-aid-blinken-talks-diplomacy (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-giving-ukraine-200m-more-military-aid-blinken-talks-diplomacy)

And NATO is boosting "cyber cooperation" with Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-signs-deal-ukraine-deepen-cyber-cooperation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-signs-deal-ukraine-deepen-cyber-cooperation)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2022, 09:06:25 AM
LOL!  Jello-headed JoeFraud just gave Putin the green-light to invade Ukraine!

"I believe he's calculating what the immediate short-term and the near-term and the long-term consequences of Russia will be. And I don't think he's made up his mind yet," Biden stressed. He admitted that "I don't know if Putin decided what he wants to do" - in a bit of a glaring contradiction to all the breathless admin official statements of the last two weeks asserting an "invasion" is coming. Hilariously, there was also this contradiction during the presser:

Biden: Decision to invade Ukraine "will depend on what side of bed Putin get's up on..."

Biden later: "he's calculating Russia's interests"

And here's CNN detailing his words on an "incursion" vs. major invasion:

But he suggested a "minor incursion" would elicit a lesser response than a full-scale invasion of the country.

"I'm not so sure he is certain what he is going to do. My guess is he will move in. He has to do something," Biden said, describing a leader searching for relevance in a post-Soviet world. "He is trying to find his place in the world between China and the west."

Biden's prediction of an invasion is the firmest acknowledgment to date the United States fully expects Putin to move after amassing 100,000 troops along the Ukraine border.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-my-guess-russia-will-invade-ukraine-i-dont-know-if-putin-decided-what-he-wants (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-my-guess-russia-will-invade-ukraine-i-dont-know-if-putin-decided-what-he-wants)

There you go, Vlad...a "minor incursion" (however/whoever describes that!) is the ticket!

 ::hysterical::

And in another bit of hilarious hysterical idiocy...Marxists are having major meltdowns on Tucker Carlson for having Clint Ehrlich on his show warning of the possibility of the worst conflict in Europe since WWII over DemCom desires to spite Russia...

https://youtu.be/TLrCy0Vlcy4 (https://youtu.be/TLrCy0Vlcy4)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/latest-tucker-carlson-ukraine-segment-sent-us-liberal-media-political-elites-meltdown (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/latest-tucker-carlson-ukraine-segment-sent-us-liberal-media-political-elites-meltdown)

Relax you Marxist asshats, you're getting your wish...HisFraudulency already said a minor incursion may be OK...when everybody knows that can be defined differently person to person...while the rest of the sane people on the planet know minor can be major and escalation risks rise exponentially and is likely to do so when hotheads on all sides are calling the shots...so relax, your war is coming...have a spritzer or whatever it is you betas and gammas suck on and enjoy your bloody show.

PS - We know how Xi will interpret this...Taiwan, you're on the clock...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 20, 2022, 06:01:52 PM
^^^
Alexander talked for a long time about this. I only half listened.   
Apparently Biden gave away/revealed  the US bargaining positions like you said. He said what the US would do and what we would not do if Putin invades Ukraine. A massive diplomatic screw up according to Alexander.
Biden let it slip that the US and EU are deeply divided on what to do.
He also said that Biden's saying Putin is certain to invade is causing panic buying in Ukraine.  ::doh::

Any financial sanctions on Russia have to leave room for the EU to pay for the Russian gas.

https://youtu.be/6TjKHZ5FwRU
NATO Divisions Laid Bare by Biden in Bizarre Presser and Macron in EU Parliament Speech
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2022, 08:11:51 AM
(While we do not deserve/need neither)...Biden and the Euro's deserve each other...

I hope the Euro's are going fetal, sucking their thumbs and failing to calm themselves with their "Orange Man Bad" mantras...   ::doublebird::

People this stupid are the only ones deserving of the coming war(s)...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2022, 10:00:35 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-special-forces-continue-mission-training-troops-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-special-forces-continue-mission-training-troops-ukraine)

Training nothing new...everybody does it...even the peace-loving Rus...but what is new is moving stuff from the Baltics to Ukraine...can the latter be properly utilized by Ukrainian troops?  If so seems logical...but a smart foe knows how to attack weak points...did JoeFraud regime & NATO clowns just make the Baltics an easier prize?  Wouldn't be hard to jump with what Russia has already in Belarus...and a quick pivot or two could find a multi-front incursion in play...

Whatever...all is well...

Tulsi Gabbard -

“As warmongers in the White House escalate tensions with Russia, let’s be real about what we’re dealing with – open conflict between two nuclear armed powers. The only place this conflict can end is the destruction of the world and life as we know it. This is what’s at stake.”

“Unfortunately, in this White House, we have warmongers and people like Jake Sullivan and Tony Blinken, who had a very strong hand in being the architects of regime change wars in Iraq, in Libya, in Syria and they’re the ones who are influencing the decisions being made by this White House”

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1484105595569377280 (https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1484105595569377280)

Yeah well, the usurpers controlling America concede and encourage war, Putin has no fear or even a reason to fear, the Euro's are schizo on Ukraine, energy and Russia, and nobody seems interested in any kind of deal, so...war.

 ::deercorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2022, 12:38:42 PM
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -

(https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/52006-Crack%20Party.jpg)

Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2022, 01:51:10 PM
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -

(https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/52006-Crack%20Party.jpg)

Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland

Could you explain the summit meme to me? I must be slow so type slowly. ;-)
It bothers me that I do not get it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 21, 2022, 02:17:55 PM
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -

(https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/52006-Crack%20Party.jpg)

Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland

Could you explain the summit meme to me? I must be slow so type slowly. ;-)
It bothers me that I do not get it.

Bozo Blinken hitting a bong...JoeFraud hitting a crack pipe (probably borrowed from pedo-drug addict chip off the 'ol block Hunter) in contrast to historically typical Rus nipping Stoli...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2022, 06:52:31 PM
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -

(https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/52006-Crack%20Party.jpg)

Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland

Could you explain the summit meme to me? I must be slow so type slowly. ;-)
It bothers me that I do not get it.

Bozo Blinken hitting a bong...JoeFraud hitting a crack pipe (probably borrowed from pedo-drug addict chip off the 'ol block Hunter) in contrast to historically typical Rus nipping Stoli...

Thanks.
I didn't think that the US diplomacy could get any more incoherent then along came Biden.
It's like he was playing poker with Putin and showed him his cards.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2022, 12:33:14 PM
An interpretation of The Summit via TPC -

(https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/52006-Crack%20Party.jpg)

Ukraine take by BB -

https://babylonbee.com/news/hitler-kicks-off-minor-incursion-into-poland

Could you explain the summit meme to me? I must be slow so type slowly. ;-)
It bothers me that I do not get it.

Bozo Blinken hitting a bong...JoeFraud hitting a crack pipe (probably borrowed from pedo-drug addict chip off the 'ol block Hunter) in contrast to historically typical Rus nipping Stoli...

Thanks.
I didn't think that the US diplomacy could get any more incoherent then along came Biden.
It's like he was playing poker with Putin and showed him his cards.

Well, his dipsh*t handlers making those cue cards on DeepState oligarch orders have their hands full getting him (Biden) to perform unnaturally...

Blinken can follow the scripts...which indicates the scripts are sh*t to begin with...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2022, 02:11:09 PM
Fox News' Pentagon correspondent is reporting early Saturday that all family members of US embassy personnel in Kiev, Ukraine have been ordered to evacuate. "State Department orders families of U.S. embassy personnel in Ukraine to begin evacuating the country as soon as Monday: U.S. officials," Fox's Lucas Tomlinson reports.

It first emerged Friday that the Biden administration was mulling a plan to evacuate diplomats' family members from Ukraine as a "precautionary measure" amid the continued crisis wherein Washington has predicted some level of a Russian offensive on the Ukraine border.

It's unclear whether this means US intelligence has picked up on a particular new "threat" from Russia near Ukraine's borders.

As Tomlinson reports further, Russian fighter jets on Friday into Saturday began arriving in nearby Belarus, with US officials expressing alarm that Ukraine's capital is "now in the crosshairs". CNN and The Guardian are also reporting early Saturday:

The US embassy in Ukraine has requested the evacuation of all non-essential staff amid increasing fears of an imminent Russian invasion and the arrival overnight of arms deliveries promised by President Joe Biden, according to a CNN report.

US evacuations are likely to start "as early as next week", the US cable news network said, citing a source close to the Ukrainian government. It marks the embassy’s shift in focus towards “helping Ukraine bolster its defences in the face of growing Russian aggression”.

At the same time, Russia's embassy in Washington D.C. has been calling on the West to "end the hysteria" - assuring that there are no plans to invade Ukraine. Earlier in the week it issued a message on Twitter, saying, "We stress once again: Russia is not going to attack anyone. The practice of moving troops on our own soil is a sovereign right."

During talks in Geneva on Friday between Antony Blinken and Russian FM Sergey Lavrov, there appeared to be positive signs that dialogue was opening up toward de-escalation. Just after, the US Embassy in Kiev posted photographs of newly arrived shipments of American-supplied lethal aid for Ukrainian forces.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-embassy-ukraine-orders-evacuation-all-non-essential-staff-diplomats-family-members (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-embassy-ukraine-orders-evacuation-all-non-essential-staff-diplomats-family-members)

The Pentagon and US intelligence is said to be watching Ukraine's northern neighbor Belarus very closely, given Moscow's recent statements confirming it is currently moving more S-400 missile systems into the allied country.

"Russia is moving two divisions of its S-400 Triumph air-defense systems, designed to take down enemy warplanes, into neighboring Belarus to take part in military exercises, the Ministry of Defense confirmed on Friday," Russian state sources report.

S-400 missiles are reportedly being transported to Belarus all the way from Russia's far east. While it comes as tensions are on edge, as the world's eyes are watching the Russia-Ukraine border, the transfer of major military hardware to Minsk is said to be part of preparations for joint Belarus-Russian war drills set to run February 10 through 20.

The exercises will in part be aimed at "reinforcing the state border." This is also likely intended as a response to this week's White House-ordered "lethal aid" delivery to Ukraine's military. The UK has also been flying in repeat plane-loads of weaponry, most likely including anti-tank missiles.

According to Pentagon officials cited in Fox News, there's concern that Russia can much more easily target Kiev if it wants, given all its military assets in Belarus:

Advanced Russian fighter jets have now arrived in Belarus, north of Ukraine.  The Pentagon is concerned that Ukraine's capital is "now in the crosshairs," another official added.

But Russia has repeatedly sought to assure the West that there are no "invasion plans" - as has been the charge over the last two months.

But both sides are now accusing the other over the potential for a provocation which could quickly result in a shooting war on the ground. Likely any conflict should it erupt would center in Donbass, in Ukraine's east.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-now-crosshairs-russia-moves-fighter-jets-s-400-missiles-belarus-pentagon (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-now-crosshairs-russia-moves-fighter-jets-s-400-missiles-belarus-pentagon)

https://youtu.be/PqfyZ618Bks (https://youtu.be/PqfyZ618Bks)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/beb1cee74d94c3dcf39c93f07fa9014e7b5c2777bfde8f33d52331fb784be860.jpg)
H/T-CTH

All is well...   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 22, 2022, 04:56:38 PM

IMO there will be no war unless the Kiev govt attacks the Eastern parts of Ukraine.
I understand the Europeans are telling Kiev they will not support such and action and the US kinda says they are on their own.

I heard that Biden saying the Russians will attack is causing some panic buying in Ukraine.

Remember the old 60's saying? "What if they held a war and nobody came?"
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 22, 2022, 06:25:48 PM

That'll show the Russians how tough we are! /sarc

https://youtu.be/__rdoWdT-m4
Spaced out? Russian cosmonaut’s visa denied by US
The United States has refused Russian cosmonaut Nikolai Chuba a visa without explanation. The controversial move has been criticized for posing a risk to international space cooperation and travel.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 22, 2022, 07:50:54 PM

I had Alexander from the Duran on in background. In short, the US wants to reply in writing to Russia but wants it kept secret. WTF? Also, France and Germany do not want to disconnect Russia from SWIFT or any sanctions that would hurt them too much. Also, maybe don't overfly our countries with arms for Ukraine. Plus, Germany told Lithuania not to send German made artillery to Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2022, 11:24:18 AM

IMO there will be no war unless the Kiev govt attacks the Eastern parts of Ukraine.
I understand the Europeans are telling Kiev they will not support such and action and the US kinda says they are on their own.

I heard that Biden saying the Russians will attack is causing some panic buying in Ukraine.

Remember the old 60's saying? "What if they held a war and nobody came?"

Isn't that the setting of the table behind the Rus false-flag...like last time?  LOL!  It's like when football teams on 4th down...defense jumping all over the place trying to get a O-lineman to twitch...then pounce for an easy offsides call to allow you to beat your chest and claim victory through victimhood...

Playground BS...

Somebody want to kill somebody for their property?  Man up, and go kill them...or STFD & STFU!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2022, 11:25:13 AM

That'll show the Russians how tough we are! /sarc

https://youtu.be/__rdoWdT-m4
Spaced out? Russian cosmonaut’s visa denied by US
The United States has refused Russian cosmonaut Nikolai Chuba a visa without explanation. The controversial move has been criticized for posing a risk to international space cooperation and travel.

What does one expect from mentally-stunted adolescent Marxist clown-boxers?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2022, 11:29:18 AM

I had Alexander from the Duran on in background. In short, the US wants to reply in writing to Russia but wants it kept secret. WTF? Also, France and Germany do not want to disconnect Russia from SWIFT or any sanctions that would hurt them too much. Also, maybe don't overfly our countries with arms for Ukraine. Plus, Germany told Lithuania not to send German made artillery to Ukraine.

Sounds about as fvcked up as I would expect from a bunch of childish Amerikan Marxists and spoiled-rotten-little bastard Eurotards...neither of which has any right to tell Baltic or Central European nations a damn thing about how to run their countries...they actually suffered under totalitarians (imperialist, fascist and communist) before...

Plus, this level of imbecilic confusion and crosstalk pretty much ensures only unconditional surrender or out of control warfare is the way out for all these dipsh!ts!

Heh, more fun...

https://thelibertydaily.com/u-k-releases-bold-statement-about-russia-which-kremlin-totally-denies/

BS?  Possible...but then anything literally is possible.  If there is an after-this Ukraine...let's see who leads it...that is the only evidence proving or disproving allegations like this.

ETA - Germany is one effed up nation...

https://trendingpolitics.com/germany-fires-navy-chief-for-saying-china-is-the-real-threat-not-russia/

...but then again every government is...it's just quibbling over matters of degree...   :o
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2022, 09:25:33 AM
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels)

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/21/11/53158777-10426075-Moscow_has_for_weeks_been_massing_tens_of_thousands_of_troops_ta-a-35_1642764413278.jpg)

Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2022, 10:36:19 AM
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels)

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/21/11/53158777-10426075-Moscow_has_for_weeks_been_massing_tens_of_thousands_of_troops_ta-a-35_1642764413278.jpg)

Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)

From your link
Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Germany opens Nordstream 2, drops plans for US LNG port, refuses UK military overflight, holds direct talks with Moscow on Ukraine outside of NATO

Starting to look like they’ve worked more of this out than they want to let on
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2022, 12:00:57 PM
What's wrong with this picture?

Breakaway Germans dealing with Moscow direct, sanctions off-table on front-end, confusing cross-talk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-too-early-russia-sanctions-hope-unified-nato-response-unravels)

Deploying troops along Ukraine border...floated by the NYT's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-orders-families-diplomats-immediately-leave-ukraine-biden-weighs-deploying)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/01/21/11/53158777-10426075-Moscow_has_for_weeks_been_massing_tens_of_thousands_of_troops_ta-a-35_1642764413278.jpg)

Since it is well established that the NYT's is the mouthpiece for FoggyBottom and the preceding on sanctions comes from Blinken...it appears State is doing double-talk...

Why?

Seems they need to have Russia make the first overt act...and the Germany thing seems to me a backdoor scheme to keep any confrontation civil on the Euro-energy front.

Yeah, things never get out of hand when scat hits fans...   ::)

From your link
Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec
Germany opens Nordstream 2, drops plans for US LNG port, refuses UK military overflight, holds direct talks with Moscow on Ukraine outside of NATO

Starting to look like they’ve worked more of this out than they want to let on

Yeah?  And?

Joe Biden is reportedly considering sending some three to five thousand troops to Romania, Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia as part of an effort to protect NATO states near Russia, to ward off Russia, given their aggressive actions toward Ukraine. Other NATO countries might also be kicking in troops under this plan, according to Fox News.  This Biden military move might not only include troops; they’re also considering naval vessels and aircraft. (https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/01/23/breaking-biden-considering-sending-thousands-of-troops-aircraft-to-eastern-europe-n511571)

The State Department has quietly sent special operations teams into Kyiv to help with a potential diplomatic evacuation, sources told Just the News, while Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Sunday rebuffed pleas from Ukraine to impose preemptive sanctions against a bellicose Russia.  The teams arrived last week, shortly before U.S. Embassy families were ordered to begin evacuating Ukraine, said the sources, who have direct knowledge of the events.  "This means that they're anticipating violence or complete deterioration in short order," said former Diplomatic Security Service Special Agent Dale McElhattan, who has taken part in diplomatic evacuations. (https://justthenews.com/world/europe/us-sends-tactical-security-teams-ukraine-embassy-after-moscow-warns-countdown-underway)

And in a reprise of the last debacle...

“Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US government will not be in a position to evacuate US citizens. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly.” Arrange commercial flights,” a State Dept. official is quoted as saying on a phone call. (https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/breaking-u-s-not-in-position-to-evacuate-citizens-from-ukraine-state-dept-warns/)

It's swell Germany "worked something out" but the US & Russia have not.

And, invoking "the shiny object rule" what else is being planned back home?  Hmmm?

https://youtu.be/CYRzVzhmr-4 (https://youtu.be/CYRzVzhmr-4)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b871d122b4af8dbd29fb652174220083bbd5e66df6deea598afbaff18ee95b06.jpg)
H/T-WZ
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2022, 12:37:20 PM

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
Ukraine pushed towards meltdown. Neocons pushing Biden towards war
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2022, 02:59:31 PM

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
Ukraine pushed towards meltdown. Neocons Uni-Party pushing Biden towards war

FIFY

And Russia signed Budapest, and both ignore each other for their own benefit.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2022, 07:23:11 PM

The Duran was on. They said Ukraine economy is tanking in part because of the US scaremongering.
They said Putin is winning without firing a shot or even showing a picture of a tank.
Putin is doing very little so Biden is doing the threatening for him.
The scare mongering is incentivizing young men to leave to avoid future conscription so women are joining.

They also said that he US voted  in the UN for the Minsk agreement.
https://youtu.be/Z9x1G3dJEqc
Ukraine pushed towards meltdown. Neocons Uni-Party pushing Biden towards war

FIFY

And Russia signed Budapest, and both ignore each other for their own benefit.

I had no idea that the US or UN voted on the Minsk agreement. I thought it was just the involved countries.

As a right winger getting commie songs stuck in my head is embarrassing. I like The Internationale.

Back in 1973 the Madison Scouts Drum and Bugle Corps played a song they called Red Army March. I could never find it because the real name was Let's Go. I kinda had that song stuck in my head off and on for decades. I cannot remember if I just posted that song here or somewhere else. I just mentioned it with my brother so it was in my head last night. The song  is from a patriotic Russian movie. Years later the choir was en route to play for Russian troops in Syria. The plane crashed and killed all on board.

https://youtu.be/_jqOGpzNrg4
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2022, 07:32:06 PM


I have this somewhere. I bought it in a commie town in Italy long ago.
https://youtu.be/IDRdm4qmVSs
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Well, something to play with while watching the next European war commence...

It seems for most things are so bad at home and since dealing with them honestly would require admissions of guilt or incompetence...the only way out is to go to war...

8,500 on alert to be thrown into the fire...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/biden-troops-europe/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/24/politics/biden-troops-europe/index.html)

...with maybe another 50,000 later if needed...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10433933/Biden-considers-sending-thousands-troops-warships-aircraft-Eastern-Europe-Ukraine-Russia.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10433933/Biden-considers-sending-thousands-troops-warships-aircraft-Eastern-Europe-Ukraine-Russia.html)

Brits in MOD say Russians already in Ukraine...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10438895/Russian-soldiers-Ukraine-border-warns-UK-defence-minister.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10438895/Russian-soldiers-Ukraine-border-warns-UK-defence-minister.html)

Hacktivists in Belarus say they've slowed the rail system shuttling troops and equipment...

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/hactivists-say-they-hacked-belarus-rail-system-to-stop-russian-military-buildup/ (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/hactivists-say-they-hacked-belarus-rail-system-to-stop-russian-military-buildup/)

Lithuania sending Stingers & TI's to Ukraine...

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3390622-lithuania-to-transfer-stinger-missiles-thermal-imagers-to-ukraine.html (https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3390622-lithuania-to-transfer-stinger-missiles-thermal-imagers-to-ukraine.html)

The Truman remaining in Med instead of going to the PG...

https://www.dw.com/en/nato-to-hold-major-naval-drills-in-the-mediterranean-sea/a-60521598 (https://www.dw.com/en/nato-to-hold-major-naval-drills-in-the-mediterranean-sea/a-60521598)

...going to have to get one out of the West Coast, hope they don't step on their nuts again and move the Reagan west and leave Asia uncovered (Vinson has been out the longest, Lincoln just deployed and is with Vinson in PI area, would be wise to get Lincoln to PG and get Reagan in E.China Sea).  I hear Putin is holding exercises off Ireland...and actually the Russians are saying all fleets are going on exercises...

https://news.usni.org/2022/01/21/russian-navy-announces-more-major-fleet-exercises-as-drills-end-with-china-iran (https://news.usni.org/2022/01/21/russian-navy-announces-more-major-fleet-exercises-as-drills-end-with-china-iran)

US sends another 80 tons of stuff...

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/23/politics/ukraine-us-second-weapons-shipment/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/23/politics/ukraine-us-second-weapons-shipment/index.html)

And typically the the Russophile posters at ZeroHedge are buzzing with news on Ukraine...but they've been quiet on the subject for about 18 hours...must be a new record for them...no denouncing of imperialists, no protesting of false flags on Mother Russia...zip, zero, nada...

So either their state sources got nothing to offer...or there running silent on purpose...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2022, 01:01:14 PM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/53309775-10433933-There_are_already_thousands_of_U_S_troops_stationed_in_Europe_bu-a-3_1643057349249-768x568.jpg (https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/53309775-10433933-There_are_already_thousands_of_U_S_troops_stationed_in_Europe_bu-a-3_1643057349249-768x568.jpg)

A remarkable failure of meaningful reporting about the massive military buildup in and around Ukraine in recent weeks results in most Americans having no idea how close we have been brought to armed conflict with the Russian Federation.

Even those Americans who have sought out news about Ukraine can do little more than watch from the sidelines as those currently leading our nation inch us toward a potential catastrophe.

?Although going to war is the most consequential decision that a nation can make, the people are rarely consulted by the elites, who are largely immunized from the consequences of their actions. If the people were actually consulted, wars would be rare events indeed.

?The rhetoric about the Ukraine conflict is out of control. President Joe Biden threatens that Russia would “pay a heavy price” for any incursion into Ukraine. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warns of “massive consequences” for Russia. Sen. Roger Wicker of Mississippi told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto, “We don’t rule out first-use nuclear action.” First-use nuclear action rhetoric is not only extremely dangerous, but these types of nonsensical remarks also threaten the stability of the entire world.

Policy wonks throw around the phrase “failure of imagination” when it comes to intelligence community failures. The entire Biden administration, along with the neocon defense and foreign policy thinks tanks in Washington, are failing to imagine the consequences of the dangers lurking in Eastern Europe currently.

War is not fair and is not meant to be. In fact, harking back to the failures in Afghanistan, during a recent State Department call, the following was stated: “Given that the President has said military action by Russia could come at any time. The US Government will not be in a position to evacuate US Citizens. So US citizens, currently present in Ukraine should plan accordingly.” A stunning statement of failure!

?We are again living out the maxim that “truth is the first casualty of war.” If the people are to have a chance to stop a conflagration, the first step is to resist the propaganda barrage from the establishment media and learn the truth. Only then we can demand our government stop beating the drums of war.

?The Biden administration wants us to believe that Russia is seeking to regain its former greatness by overthrowing the government of Volodymyr Zelensky and replacing it with a puppet government that it would control. The neocon-dominated establishment in both of our political parties wants us to believe that the Soviet Union still exists and is inherently expansionary.

Just as the nation was sold a hoax about Russia having elected President Donald Trump in 2016, another illusion now is being sold. Do not believe a word of it!

?Russia has explained repeatedly it has one core concern — Ukraine being admitted into the NATO military alliance.

Responding to the buildup, a Russian official explained in a Tass article: “We are alarmed by reports some member-countries of NATO have stepped up the deployment of lethal weapons and military personnel to Ukraine.”

And if Ukraine were admitted into NATO, with its strategic location, Russian knows that NATO and the U.S. could place missiles literally on its border, creating an existential threat to Russia.

?While Russia’s concern is obvious, the Biden administration has never even tried to explain the existence of any vital national interest of the United States in Ukraine that could justify hostilities. For his part, Blinken has asserted the principle that Ukraine must have the right to join NATO and claimed that principle could never be compromised. The Russians understand that would likely result in nuclear weapons being placed at its doorstep — closer to Russia than Cuba is to the United States.

?It should be obvious that there is no equivalency of interest here. None. NATO was established to preserve the peace, and it would be a tragedy of immense proportions if its threatened Eastern expansion would become the principal cause of a devastating war.

Let’s put the current conflict into a historical context. If President John Kennedy was justified in risking war to prevent nuclear missiles from being installed in Cuba in 1961, then why exactly is Russian President Vladimir Putin being reckless in risking war to prevent NATO weapons from being installed in Ukraine in 2022? Would any great nation allow the development of such a threat on its border?

?The world could have been thrown into war in October 1962 if Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev had not been willing to take into consideration the non-negotiable position that Kennedy was taking. Kennedy promised not to invade Cuba, and he later reciprocated Khruschev’s action by removing U.S. Jupiter missiles from Turkey. Both great nations acted responsibly, and the Cuban Missile Crisis ended peacefully.

?The events of October 1962 remind us that there are great principles that govern how great nations must treat each other to preserve the peace.

Part of my training as an Army officer was to study The Law of Nations by Emer de Vattel. This historic work was instrumental in guiding the Founders of our nation as it declared independence from England and charted our own course in the world. It takes principles of natural law and applies those principles to nations. It is a remarkable book.

Two of the principles set out in that book are of critical importance right now, and our foreign policy masters need reminding from time to time of these principles.

First, “Every nation … has … a right to prevent other nations from obstructing her preservation … that is, to preserve herself from all injuries … called the right to security … It is safest to prevent the evil, when it can be prevented.” This principle is the basis for the Monroe Doctrine and was exactly Kennedy’s response to the threat of Russian missiles in Cuba.

Second, “Every nation is obliged to cultivate the friendship of other nations, and carefully to avoid whatever might kindle their enmity against her.” De Vattel then added: “Wise and prudent nations often pursue this line of conduct from views of direct and present interest; a more noble, more general, and less direct interest, is too rarely the motive of politicians.”

All parties involved must seek to re-identify and apply those natural law principles to the current crisis before the world slips off into the abyss. While politicians generally double down on overblown rhetoric, there is still hope statesmen will arise, act responsibly and preserve the peace.

The United States and the Russian Federation are great nations. However, these great nations each have thousands of nuclear weapons that could kill hundreds of millions.

With those as the stakes, it would be wise for Biden and Blinken to listen to what Putin is saying and consider why Russia believes its vital national interests are at risk. If the United States has no comparable national interest to that of Russia, that should be the basis for de-escalation.

My strongest recommendation for consideration by those deciding the potential fate of humanity is to listen again to something George Washington, our first president, said about politics and war: “e honest and just ourselves and to exact it from others, meddling as little as possible in their affairs where our own are not involved. If this maxim was generally adopted, wars would cease …”

I am not pollyannish that war will forever cease; I am by nature a warrior. I do believe, however, from time to time, to be a nation at peace, we must return to our faith and our forefathers to remind ourselves what the real consequences of wars cause.

War is not fair — it is not meant to be — and a looming war with Russia would be anything but fair. Take that to the bank, if you can find one after a nuclear exchange.

https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-biden-might-get-hundreds-millions-killed-ukraine/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/exclusive-gen-flynn-biden-might-get-hundreds-millions-killed-ukraine/)

Naturally, I do not see eye to eye with Gen. Flynn on all points...I think he glossed over some key points in history relevant to any objective and fair discussion of Ukraine (it's past mistreatments by Russia, Russia ignoring Budapest agreement, US ignoring Minsk agreements...Russia violations causing INF treaty collapse and current hypersonic missile race, etc...) as well as glossing over some of the prime movers of the anti-Russia chorus (which is not limited to typical Uni-Party asshats) led by an entire political party on the left and Cucks on the right who share a common hatred of Donald Trump that is so psychotic that they are willing to go down in nuclear flames before admitting in the slightest there is no link between Trump and Russia that can be on par with Clinton, Obama & Biden et al...so filled with hatred they are of Trump and his enmity of a Communist China they are all totally in bed with...that war is more than acceptable option no matter the outcome for its captive citizens.

Anyway, looking for sanity among the insane is not a realistic expectation.  Would I (and most citizens in America and Russia) go for a deal that saw a no Ukraine i(Or Baltics or Poland and the like) n NATO pledge in return for a no meddling in Ukraine affairs and a return of all seized territory returned to Ukraine and safe passage of ethnic Russians back to Russian territory deal?  Yup.  But I do not see that happening, the psychotic DemCom's won't ever offer it or agree to it if Russia offered it...nor do I think Russia wants to give up what's it's taken (which invites everyone to do the same to their close neighbors)...so here we are.

And, let us not ever forget (or forgive!) it is primarily these DemCom's that are impelling this (with Cuck appeasement to be sure...but they're already on our sh!tlist so no forgiveness for them is already set!)...if not for a stolen 2020 election, I seriously we would be on the brink of nuclear war with Russia over a logically solved issue if approached with any kind of good faith.  In fact, maybe we could have set things in motion to get us the frack out of NATO for good and let the damned spoiled Euro's stand on their damned own legs!

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5ebc88235db1da62782aeef72e29760ff766707e1943bb0121d58a7ab04aefb.jpg)

I hope the Russian people and its government knows who it is that is at fault here, it is not We the captive oppressed people of an illegitimate Marxist regime...please keep that in mind if you are able.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cdef6fa0a3abc338ee2cb65edaa038f804d2ffeafab5ae392344c301668174f2.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2022, 08:21:35 AM
LOL!  Russia still deploying assets and staging drills all along land and sea...Occupied America usurpers continue to talk of deployments...but the oft feckless NATO once again blinked...

 “NATO will not deploy NATO combat troops to Ukraine,"-NATO Pooh-Bah Stoltenberg

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-stages-snap-war-drills-near-ukraine-tensions-edge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-stages-snap-war-drills-near-ukraine-tensions-edge)

I guess NATO can't deploy and contribute to the drafting of a diplomatic document at the same time!   ::hysterical::

And, my numerous previous statements as to the uselessness of Euro's is affirmed once again...as always they want America to do all the heavy work and cover the tab...while they scheme on the side...and their dependence on Russian energy is making NATO and US participation in it look dumber and dumber by the second...

In other news some are speculating this is not a mistake...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/millions-without-power-after-blackouts-hit-kazakhstan-uzbekistan-kyrgyzstan (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/millions-without-power-after-blackouts-hit-kazakhstan-uzbekistan-kyrgyzstan)

...yes or no really doesn't matter IMO...if no its just normal news...if yes it won't be the last time here there anywhere.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 26, 2022, 08:45:20 AM
I was busy with life during Iraq war and assumed that because the congressional secret committees had access to lots of secret information that they must know what they were doing. In hind sight that was wrong IMO.

I have drilled down into some issues after that. Libya, Syria, and the fake gas attacks. The US destroyed Libya for no good reason and screwed the people there. Ghaddafi was a pretty good leader and did lots of good things, especially compared to the countries around him. That included stopping the terrorism support and paying reparations for the plane explosion.

As a result I no longer believe the US govt  propaganda any more than Russian propaganda. Ukraine would have been much better off if they had been allowed to establish improved trade relations with Russia. Instead the US backed a coup which lead to where we are today.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2022, 11:57:48 AM
Well, regardless...nobody cares what anybody says...

Can be no meeting of minds with minds made up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2022, 09:03:13 AM
Damn, Obloya may have an out ofr JoeFraud...

In December, The Associated Press reported that the Biden administration was considering pressuring Ukraine to grant the separatists (Lugansk and Donetsk) autonomy, a move that could significantly de-escalate tensions in the region.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-agree-uphold-donbas-ceasefire-normandy-format-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-agree-uphold-donbas-ceasefire-normandy-format-talks)

Totally could see Obloya & JoeFraud strong-arming Ukraine into this move and crowing about "peace in our time" which obviously would be total BS since all it would do is prove might makes right in any territorial dispute...which as I've said before means seizing crap from our neighbors and telling them and the world to fvck off and get over it...and Lord knows we could use a much bigger buffer with Mexico...time we took care of this border crime - illegals, drug cartels & human smugglers...once and for all!  And Cuba, fvck those clowns, they're going down hard, damn island is OURS!  Got some sh*t to settle with those damned Canadians too...some business to transact there.  I can get totally into the spirit of this!   :D

Anyway, not sure how the DeepState feels about its festivities being threatened...obviously will need to be thrown a new bone if this one is taken away...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 27, 2022, 06:34:26 PM

Peter is biased but so are others.


Jimmy Dore brings in Peter. He filled in some details about the proposed agreement with the EU that Ukraine turned down which lead to the 2014 coup. Peter used to be part of The Duran. He is an American ex pat who lives in Moscow.
The part about the EU agreement starts around 12 min.

https://youtu.be/7j5alqfsxio?t=247
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/7j5alqfsxio?t=247[/lowkeysays]
The TRUTH About Ukraine, Russia & War
Jimmy breaks down the looming crisis with RT host and Russia expert Peter Lavelle.
119,011 views
Jan 25, 2022
The Jimmy Dore Show
942K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2022, 07:57:04 AM
Be interesting to know why this guy went ex-pat and chose Moscow?  I forget the gals name but I posted a video a while back...linked to it were other videos, all were about culture shocks East and West...it was an almost universal sentiment from average Russians on the street when American's talk to them about visiting Russia and the people all ask "Why would you come to Russia?"...LOL!  Long way of saying there is a story with this Peter guy.

Anyway, long on talk, short on facts...it would be unwise to take his take of a former Ukrainian President's word on an agreement as definitive without reading the document in question...and Peter undercuts his own points on ridiculousness by throwing out Stalin's actions et al...

Yeah, no duh ethnic Russians displaced ethnic Ukrainians back in the bad old days....flash forward to latter days and those butthurt over a pro-Russia President being bounced flee to oblasts dominated by ethnic Russians and then demand to break away from the country whose borders were agreed to in Budapest...proving agreements don't mean jack sh*t and only might makes right...or what idiots let you get away with.

Seriously, cannot talk to anybody on this subject because everybody makes sh*t up as they go...right/wrong/indifferent people are locked into their narrative of choice and are searching for ways to lock it into permanence.

This is the definition of a sh*t show, this is the end result of original sins committed long ago that NOBODY wants to acknowledge let alone discuss.

It's sad pathetic and unfortunate...but perhaps the DeepState is right albeit for the wrong reasons...seems to be only a lot of bloodshed will settle this, but it has to be gotten out of everybody's system so it better be real damn bloody and real damn definitive...or the sh*t show will only rev up again and again and again...

So, let everyone dance away from reality and into the purifying flames...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 28, 2022, 08:18:25 AM
****
I cannot remember Peter's story. I think it was a professional interest and job opportunity.
The interesting part to me was his summary of the EU deal the Ukraine initially took a pass on. It was a bad deal as I recall.

The EU has also been known to screw some countries, especially if they are part of the Eurozone.

I used to listen to Peter more. He described the differences he saw on the street from 10 years ago to now. Improvements.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2022, 12:11:39 PM
President Joe Biden reportedly told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday to brace his country for a certain Russian invasion.

Biden told Zelensky that an invasion is virtually certain and to ‘prepare for impact,’ CNN reported. He said Kiev could be ‘sacked’ by Russian forces.

He reportedly said Ukraine would not be getting significantly more military help, including reiterating that no U.S. troops would be deployed there, nor would there be preemptive sanctions on Russia or any progress with NATO.

The warning was not part of a White House readout provided after the call.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/)

LOL!  JoeFraud leadership is weak and bankrupt, Euro's are cake-eating clowns wanting everything and committed to nothing...Russia is ravenous and Ukraine is screwed by all of the above...all it can do is consent to the raping pillaging and murdering...

Somebody should have given them nukes...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 28, 2022, 03:10:23 PM
President Joe Biden reportedly told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday to brace his country for a certain Russian invasion.

Biden told Zelensky that an invasion is virtually certain and to ‘prepare for impact,’ CNN reported. He said Kiev could be ‘sacked’ by Russian forces.

He reportedly said Ukraine would not be getting significantly more military help, including reiterating that no U.S. troops would be deployed there, nor would there be preemptive sanctions on Russia or any progress with NATO.

The warning was not part of a White House readout provided after the call.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/)

LOL!  JoeFraud leadership is weak and bankrupt, Euro's are cake-eating clowns wanting everything and committed to nothing...Russia is ravenous and Ukraine is screwed by all of the above...all it can do is consent to the raping pillaging and murdering...

Somebody should have given them nukes...

I  would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the world leader talk about the senile US president.
Ukraine is so screwed. They pass on a crappy EU trade deal so the US backs a coup. Then the new govt signs up for the crappy trade deal and goes after the ethnic Russians in the East and Crimea and war breaks out and Crimea leaves.

Then their trade situation gets even crappier as the anti Russians sanctions mean Ukraine cannot sell to Russia but can't sell much to the EU either so much of their population leaves and .....

The Ukraine govt is un believably corrupt. The govt does not rule, the oligarchs rule. I cannot remember the exact deals, but I recall that drug lords were buying Soviet equipment like helicopters and planes for maybe 5 cents on the dollar. That was in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2022, 05:36:30 PM
President Joe Biden reportedly told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Thursday to brace his country for a certain Russian invasion.

Biden told Zelensky that an invasion is virtually certain and to ‘prepare for impact,’ CNN reported. He said Kiev could be ‘sacked’ by Russian forces.

He reportedly said Ukraine would not be getting significantly more military help, including reiterating that no U.S. troops would be deployed there, nor would there be preemptive sanctions on Russia or any progress with NATO.

The warning was not part of a White House readout provided after the call.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/478699-biden-warns-ukraine-prepare-to-invasion/)

LOL!  JoeFraud leadership is weak and bankrupt, Euro's are cake-eating clowns wanting everything and committed to nothing...Russia is ravenous and Ukraine is screwed by all of the above...all it can do is consent to the raping pillaging and murdering...

Somebody should have given them nukes...

I  would love to be a fly on the wall listening to the world leader talk about the senile US president.
Ukraine is so screwed. They pass on a crappy EU trade deal so the US backs a coup. Then the new govt signs up for the crappy trade deal and goes after the ethnic Russians in the East and Crimea and war breaks out and Crimea leaves.

Then their trade situation gets even crappier as the anti Russians sanctions mean Ukraine cannot sell to Russia but can't sell much to the EU either so much of their population leaves and .....

The Ukraine govt is un believably corrupt. The govt does not rule, the oligarchs rule. I cannot remember the exact deals, but I recall that drug lords were buying Soviet equipment like helicopters and planes for maybe 5 cents on the dollar. That was in Ukraine.

Familiar with our current illegitimate government, unelected DeepState operatives and Globalist/Marxist corporate oligarchs?

It's not different in Russia...Putin strong-armed people into changing laws to keep him Czar for life and big company oligarchs and militarists are his oligarchy and their press is state-controlled just like ours...same for Europe, China, the Americas, Africa, Middle East...everywhere the Elite call the shots...people are fodder...people can argue over degrees (which is foolish since even a little servitude is still not freedom) but it is an undeniable fact.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2022, 10:38:01 AM
https://futurenews.news/watch?id=61f44ddce4655d233cce467d (https://futurenews.news/watch?id=61f44ddce4655d233cce467d)

Yeah, totally possible...i already warned about the shiny object risk...but the genie gets out of the bottle, a distraction can start some really nasty stuff...but something nasty approaches...these demons do not relent...nor should our resistance to tyranny and oppression!

And with Germany causing fractures more than any other nation not in Asia...these risks could be increasing...

Latvia is going on the attack, lashing out at Germany for its seemingly 'compromised' relations with Russia and China.

Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks slammed Germany’s “immoral and hypocritical” relationship with Russia and China, accusing Berlin of driving a wedge between eastern and western Europe, at a time that unity is paramount. "It’s immoral and hypocritical. It’s driving a division line between west and east in Europe," Pabriks said in the Financial Times interview published Friday.

"How are you acting yourself when it comes to Lithuania, Russia, China?" Pabriks asked hypothetically of Germany. He answered his own question: "It’s immoral and hypocritical. It’s driving a division line between west and east in Europe."

"Germans forgot already that Americans were granting their security in the Cold War," the defense minister added. "But they should [remember]. It’s their moral duty." The suggestion was that Germany should stay lockstep with Washington on the issue of Russia's 'threat' to NATO's "eastern flank".

"European security cannot be done without a German leading role. At this moment, when we’re looking at how they’re acting on European defense and NATO, the readiness of the Bundeswehr, the hesitance to use military force, it’s absurd for the current times," Pabriks described.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-row-erupts-latvia-blasts-germanys-immoral-hypocritical-russia-china-ties (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-row-erupts-latvia-blasts-germanys-immoral-hypocritical-russia-china-ties)

Pabriks is not wrong...and if anybody believes Germany will every shut down NS2 if Russia invades Ukraine...they might also be interested in a bridge for sale in Brooklyn...

As for this request...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/republicans-demand-white-house-release-transcript-of-biden-call-with-ukrainian-president_4243761.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/republicans-demand-white-house-release-transcript-of-biden-call-with-ukrainian-president_4243761.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

...don't expect the presscorpse to carry that banner...they might not be JoeFraud fans but such accountability in 2-Amerika mobocracy only applies against mobocrat enemies...and the corrupt illegitimate regime sure as sh*t can't come clean on its own...transparency is something to beat your enemies with...nothing a mobocrat need worry about...

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 31, 2022, 05:47:36 PM

Kim is back on her own channel  but still on the hill rising I hope. She is very popular there according to the comments.

https://youtu.be/AoUq-vezBB0
Kim Iversen: Ukraine Tells Biden To STOP With Russia Invasion Rhetoric
3,006 views
Jan 31, 2022
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2022, 09:00:10 AM
Getting JoeFraud or any of his mouth-breathing handlers and recycled leftist department heads and their vassals respective mouths shut is impossible...

Yapping because they think they're the most brilliant people on the planet keeps them yapping...

Zelensky is going to have to make a bold move, one that will likely get him killed by angry foreigners or citizens alike.  He should schedule a summit in Kiev with the head of the EU, think its a Frenchy named Michel, and Putin and hammer out an agreement on everything.

But, like I said...he'd probably get whacked before the ink was even dry...

Anyway, war still could go hot...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/norwsea.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-navy-holds-anti-submarine-drills-near-nato-country-prepares-more (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-navy-holds-anti-submarine-drills-near-nato-country-prepares-more)

Nice spot for a "oops!" moment...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/Black_Sea_map_0.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-naval-presence-black-sea-more-doubled-2021 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-naval-presence-black-sea-more-doubled-2021)

...might last longer floating in the Black Sea than the North Sea...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2022, 09:54:58 AM
This says more about the independent sensibilities of Hungary under Orban than it does for those wanting to overread this meeting with the backdrop of NATO/EU/US vis a vis the Ukraine situation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungarys-orban-answers-biden-troop-hosting-request-flies-moscow-marathon-meeting-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungarys-orban-answers-biden-troop-hosting-request-flies-moscow-marathon-meeting-putin)

Viktor always looks out for his people and speaks his mind no matter what...that is to be respected, not exploited for anybody else's agenda.

But, I reckon nobody will respect that truthful distinction...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 03, 2022, 12:19:35 PM
Bear's TU-95's oh my...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2nd-day-britain-scrambles-jets-response-inbound-russian-aircraft (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2nd-day-britain-scrambles-jets-response-inbound-russian-aircraft)

...brings back fond memories of naval air intercepts of Bear's, Badger's...running off the ubiquitous "fishing trawler" Rooskie spy boats...

Ahh, good times!

Meanwhile..

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leaked-docs-show-us-offering-russia-serious-arms-control-measures (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leaked-docs-show-us-offering-russia-serious-arms-control-measures)

...is JoeFraud's string-pullers seriously considering some sort of arms control deal?  Acceding to Russian desires on that may not solve the Ukraine issue with any permanence and does not seem to make sense strategically to both give Russia what it wants there (and handcuffing yourself on that front) while holding fast to NATO membership of Ukraine (which the previous would render the latter's Article 5 options to purely conventional actions that its current force structure and logistical issues could not realistically hope to stop a determined Russian seizure of most all of Ukraine)...so this groping for a way out seems rife with stupidity...which clearly indicates batshyt=crazy minds are behind it.  The right way is more the Trump way...walk away from failed arms control treaties the Russians do not honor and give up this expanded NATO fantasy...in fact cut NATO and the EU totally loose!!!

Anyway, morons are unlikely to find a way around brute force...

3k more troops for Germany & Poland...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/478871-pentagon-sends-3000-troops-to-eastern-europe-amid-tensions-with-russia/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/478871-pentagon-sends-3000-troops-to-eastern-europe-amid-tensions-with-russia/)

Poor bastards...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 04, 2022, 08:44:49 AM
Presstitutes are worms...

But when one worm turns...you get hilarity...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1489336004637044746 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1489336004637044746)

Poor AP guy is asking a FoggyBottom puppet parroting DeepState talking points to provide "proof" of his Department's allegations?

 ::hysterical::   ::rolllaughing::   ::laughonfloor::

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZK682Aq.gif)

This illegitimate regime is handing total victory to every foe and potential foe.

Sadly, it's not just America who is porked...a lot are going to be porked...

And it isn't just over there...or over anywhere...it's everywhere...

https://youtu.be/IOONXRZb3LE (https://youtu.be/IOONXRZb3LE)

Lt.Col. Shaffer is sharp and knows his stuff, watch it all.

ETA - Proof that being a puppet of psychotics guarantees failure, misery and shame...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-french-protesters-surround-pfizer-hq-chanting-assassins (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-french-protesters-surround-pfizer-hq-chanting-assassins)

...a total sh!tshow...

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2022, 11:10:48 AM
^^^
I saw that. I expected the govt guy to say that do not disclose sources or methods but he was a dimwit.
He seemed to thin his say so was good enough. I think the journalist mentioned the weapons of mass destruction.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2022, 09:06:14 AM
The cozying up to the thugs and lunatics is a major stumbling block in me ever trusting Putin in anything...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-putin-olympics-summit-explicitly-and-primarily-anti-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-putin-olympics-summit-explicitly-and-primarily-anti-us)

Red China, Red Cuba, Red Venezuela...makes me think the KGB officer in him never left...

And propping up the psychotic Mahdi Death Cult in Tehran makes  me think he's lost his mind...or its proof of his cynical and sinister persona above...

And as far as this Libertarian is concerned...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ex-cia-officer-asks-what-happens-when-america-experiences-real-war-superpower (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ex-cia-officer-asks-what-happens-when-america-experiences-real-war-superpower)

...other than posting your hand-wringing screeds...what have you done to restore sanity in American government?  Where were you when the bureaucracy turned for themselves and against the people?  Were you still with the CIA?  What great deeds in the defense and preservation of truth justice and Liberty did you do?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2022, 12:54:32 PM
The Unholy Macron...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-russia-plan-rival-war-drills-macron-meets-president-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-russia-plan-rival-war-drills-macron-meets-president-zelensky)

...whatever...looney granny chaser is about as trustworthy as a snake in the garden...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2022, 10:39:05 AM
Another 1700 from 82nd Airborne...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-authorizes-us-troops-poland-spearhead-ukraine-evacuation-plan (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-authorizes-us-troops-poland-spearhead-ukraine-evacuation-plan)

...probably the Sustainment Brigade.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 10, 2022, 09:53:54 AM
LOL...the Obloya & the DeepState got one useless puppet on their hands!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/does-biden-think-hes-king-europe-watch-his-nord-stream-2-botch-hell (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/does-biden-think-hes-king-europe-watch-his-nord-stream-2-botch-hell)

...only way he/they/them can stop NS2 is if he is told to issue orders to strike it...

...and while this BRICs bastard is having fun with it...and really, who isn't?...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-expert-warns-france-and-germany-will-throw-americans-under-bus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-expert-warns-france-and-germany-will-throw-americans-under-bus)

...it doesn't take an old FoggyBottom fan-boy to see cheese-eating surrender-monkeys and castrated Krauts wetting themselves over being ground zero for another European war...after all the masters they've sworn perpetual energy fealty to aren't Soviets any more...or much...just land-grabbing Imperialists...about as benign a master a slave could want...

...so no duh they will throw the US under the bus...

...it's yet another argument against US belonging to this hoax called NATO or spending one more cent or one more American life on defending these ungrateful deadbeat Euro punks!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 10, 2022, 04:20:14 PM
Busy day...

This distraction gets out of hand it will turn into a real nightmare...

Stingers arriving in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/beyond-defensive-weapons-ukraine-receiving-stinger-anti-aircraft-missiles-within-days (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/beyond-defensive-weapons-ukraine-receiving-stinger-anti-aircraft-missiles-within-days)

Lavrov & Truss pointing fingers...Lavrov accusing he West of being deaf and dumb...funny, get in line pal!  We in Marxist occupation been suffering it longer than you, Skippy!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-lavrov-lashes-out-uk-foreign-secretary-after-summit-mute-talking-deaf-person (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-lavrov-lashes-out-uk-foreign-secretary-after-summit-mute-talking-deaf-person)

Nuclear exercises in Belarus could be a blast...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10497245/Russia-begin-military-drills-Belarus-Putin-applies-psychological-pressure-Ukraine.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10497245/Russia-begin-military-drills-Belarus-Putin-applies-psychological-pressure-Ukraine.html)

DoD advertising the obvious routes into Ukraine by the Rus...

(https://dataviz.nbcnews.com/projects/20220209-russia-ukraine-invasion-map-big/assets/ai2html-output-739-wide.png)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-intel-nine-probable-russian-routes-ukraine-full-scale-n1288922 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-intel-nine-probable-russian-routes-ukraine-full-scale-n1288922)

Chatter about Rus troops including Spetznaz on the move...no confirmation found as yet...not that there necessarily will be right/wrong/indifferent.

Also, speculation that the increased Rus naval activity around Tartus, Black Sea & North Atlantic & Arctic could be eye candy from ground movement around Ukraine...which like uhh, duh...satellites and drone flights should be able to discern...and it ignores a more obvious ploy to thin out Western naval forces and perhaps some air force resources.

https://www.debka.com/an-armada-of-russian-warships-masses-for-drills-at-tartus-syria/ (https://www.debka.com/an-armada-of-russian-warships-masses-for-drills-at-tartus-syria/)

Denmark agrees to host US troops...how nice...

https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/denmark-to-allow-stationing-of-u-s-troops-under-planned-deal (https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb/denmark-to-allow-stationing-of-u-s-troops-under-planned-deal)

Anyway...

This distraction if poorly contained...could be a major disaster in the making for all sides...

For the West their domestic arenas of the plandemic collapse, economic misery and rising resistance among the people to be fodder for the elites may make an adventure in Ukraine to irresistible to rationally walk away from...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 10, 2022, 06:32:10 PM


Geez. Germany and others want Russian gas so they do not freeze in the dark. How hard is that for Biden to understand?

The Germans are the ones who begged for Russia to build NS2, because they shut down their nukes or were going to after the Japanese incident. You know, because of all the tidal wave danger in Germany.  Most EU countries are telling Ukraine to not start anything because the EU will not back them up.

Reminds of an old joke. Jimmy Carter threatened to cut off the Pepsi supply to Russia after they invaded Afghanistan.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2022, 08:22:51 AM


Geez. Germany and others want Russian gas so they do not freeze in the dark. How hard is that for Biden to understand?

The Germans are the ones who begged for Russia to build NS2, because they shut down their nukes or were going to after the Japanese incident. You know, because of all the tidal wave danger in Germany.  Most EU countries are telling Ukraine to not start anything because the EU will not back them up.

Reminds of an old joke. Jimmy Carter threatened to cut off the Pepsi supply to Russia after they invaded Afghanistan.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2022, 08:26:41 AM


Geez. Germany and others want Russian gas so they do not freeze in the dark. How hard is that for Biden to understand?

The Germans are the ones who begged for Russia to build NS2, because they shut down their nukes or were going to after the Japanese incident. You know, because of all the tidal wave danger in Germany.  Most EU countries are telling Ukraine to not start anything because the EU will not back them up.

Reminds of an old joke. Jimmy Carter threatened to cut off the Pepsi supply to Russia after they invaded Afghanistan.

Very hard to understand...it's jello-head Joe after all...

Merkel the former commie youth secretary (and suspected Stasi snitch) and Putin the former KGB officer coming from similar experiences probably not hard to see an understanding reached, eh?

And the excuse of Germany being as tectonically unstable as The Ring of Fire should be global headline news, right?

In Soviet Russia: No Pepsi, no Coke..Vodka!!!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2022, 02:43:38 PM
Rus tank and troop ships entering Black Sea, joining 4 other destroyers on 2/8...

Couple missile cruisers from Northern Fleet joining them...

Italian and French carriers with Truman in Med...

https://news.usni.org/2022/02/08/six-ship-russian-navy-amphibious-group-attack-sub-approach-black-sea-as-warships-mass-in-the-mediterranean

4 US destroyers being sent to Med 2/10...

https://news.usni.org/2022/02/10/4-east-coast-destroyers-deploy-to-europe-joining-u-s-naval-build-up

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on February 12, 2022, 10:16:06 AM
As Brandon ramps up war talk our allies...

run away?

https://www.rt.com/russia/549164-uk-withdraw-troops-ukraine/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/549164-uk-withdraw-troops-ukraine/)

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2022, 11:01:10 AM
Hilarious...

Apparently the Under-Sec of Armed Services does not talk to the Foreign Office...probably because they are 180 degrees out of phase to each other on Ukraine...

And apparently Sandhurst grads were instructed on the principles of the retreat...just haven't seen it in action before a fight before...

Heck, even the French take a few rounds before running up the white flag!

 :P

But everybody is telling citizens and families of missions to get out...should take heed so as to not be abandoned Afghan-style...

And, remember when surveillance pics used to be shown in public and at the UN?  I guess that was so 60 years ago, eh?  Now, take the word whispered into obedient wire-service ears...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-russia-masses-more-troops-near-ukraine-invasion-could-come-any-time-2022-02-11/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-russia-masses-more-troops-near-ukraine-invasion-could-come-any-time-2022-02-11/)

Show these pics?  In 1962 JFK sent F-8 Crusaders over for pics so the US didn't have to disclose the capabilities of the U2 spy-plane...how hard is it to send drones and side-looking recon flights along safe-side of border areas and show this evidence in support of your claims?  Or is it more likely that muppet JoeFraud's string-pullers don't give a damn about public support?

Meanwhile, they keep deploying or discuss deploying more troops in bordering nations...

https://www.rt.com/news/549037-nato-troops-deployment-russia/ (https://www.rt.com/news/549037-nato-troops-deployment-russia/)

And Ukraine deploys S-300's to Donbas...

https://tass.com/world/1401611 (https://tass.com/world/1401611)

F-16's to Romania...mulling permanent naval presence in the Black Sea...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploys-f-16s-romania-nato-mulls-permanent-battle-groups-black-sea-region (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploys-f-16s-romania-nato-mulls-permanent-battle-groups-black-sea-region)

See, my BS-detector is chirping away steady...and then I see this...

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/593790-pentagon-under-fire-for-blocking-journalist-embeds-around-ukraine (https://thehill.com/policy/defense/593790-pentagon-under-fire-for-blocking-journalist-embeds-around-ukraine)

...and the cadence in my detector ramps up.  The US in particular seems to be really wanting a tight lid on the narrative here...and this move seems obvious in that they do not want word of what troops are being told to get out.  Now, they'll say the obvious as a distraction "protecting mission security" crap but that is total misinformation since even embedded journalists cannot report out squat not approved by the theater commanders...but they do not want word of what they are being told to come out even after the fact.  That sets my BS-detector off big-time.

Bet this phone call is short...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-pulls-forces-ukraine-safety-security-biden-phones-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-pulls-forces-ukraine-safety-security-biden-phones-putin)

Doesn't look like anybody sees a way out of this they can accept...

And what does puppet JoeFraud do with a war that could go from hot to radioactive?

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479190-biden-snaps-selfie-on-way-to-camp-david-as-russian-invasion-looms/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479190-biden-snaps-selfie-on-way-to-camp-david-as-russian-invasion-looms/)

Vacation, of course.

(crickets)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2022, 03:04:10 PM

I think there is way too much fear porn. I think the US govt and MIC wants war. Russia will invade only if the Kiev govt invades the Eastern provinces or Crimea. OR Ukraine joining NATO. If they join NATO.

Failing that nothing will happen. The US govt loves to provoke a war. They do not care if it further destroys Ukraine.

BTW the Duran guys reported on some UK foreign minister meeting with Lavrov. She repeatedly talked over interpreters and had to be told to slow down. She was asked if she recognized Russian cities.

At 6:30 it is reported she said UK would refused to recognize Russia's sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh. She was later informed these were large cities inside Russia. She also talked over the translators and had to be told to not do that.

https://rumble.com/vunzzf-liz-truss-train-wreck-in-moscow.-lavrov-exposes-incompetence.html
Liz Truss train wreck in Moscow. Lavrov exposes incompetence
Alex Christoforou Published February 11, 2022

In the previous week she confused the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea.

About the lack  of satellite photos.....
The Duran reported that Russia had moved troops to existing bases in Russia. News photos show new troops. They give the impression that the troops are on the Ukraine border. If they zoomed out they would show them along side existing bases.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 13, 2022, 12:46:45 PM

The is about the OK foreign minister. The US and UK sends clowns to negotiate with Russia and Lavrov eats them for lunch.

https://twitter.com/i_nautilus/status/1491815902458884109

https://twitter.com/HighBanana/status/1491853110398046211

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLQgVFfXIAIxlt2?format=jpg&name=small)

https://twitter.com/barrydixonok/status/1488936924760924163
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FKnEPVpXMAM2PEG?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2022, 01:55:04 PM
Yeah, Truss & Defense not on same page...how about giving Lavrov a better match?  Well, mostly...it just doesn't matter.

See news out of Kiev?

But the all-important and central question that's not being asked is once again: what's the view from Kiev? What is the Ukrainian government's reaction to the latest White House statements on the crisis? How about the President of Ukraine himself?

Kiev is not too happy, and is demanding proof from US intelligence backing the new dire allegations that Russia is poised to go in:

"There has been too much information about a full-scale war with Russia – even specific dates have been announced. We understand there are risks. If you have any additional information regarding the 100 percent guaranteed invasion of Ukraine by Russia on 16 February, please give it to us," Volodymyr Zelensky told reporters on Saturday.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surreal-plot-twist-ukraines-president-demands-proof-us-over-russian-invasion-claims (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surreal-plot-twist-ukraines-president-demands-proof-us-over-russian-invasion-claims)

Yeah, well...expect crickets.

Meanwhile the large deployments on land and sea by all sides are still in progress...and all it takes is one dummy not paying attention or given conflicting orders or having a mental breakdown...or an equipment failure or misinterpreted communication...

Fear porn?  Sure.  But given the state of the world we are in now where all governments drive media narratives...it makes it difficult to tell the wheat from the chaff...understanding how militaries work in the context of what is known and what is not is all we got.

The immediate risk is a mistake by any party. 

Plans being acted on is a huge variable.  But, look at recent evidence...past episodes of Russian aggression in Georgia and cutting off the flow of gas into Ukraine, incursion and seizures of Eastern Ukraine territory and the invasion and seizure of Crimea...didn't matter who POTUS was...did NATO respond militarily?  No.  Fundamentally, right/wrong/indifferent (more on this later) Russia sees itself as the preeminent Slavic nation to whom all are to bend the knee to without question, reservation or complaint but with rapturous gratitude and adulation...whereas the West sees bringing in the former oppressed Soviet satellites into Europe as stabilizing act that prevents any further aggression and NATO is the chosen vehicle.  There is no argument that can be made that shows the West using a pattern of military force to seize what it wants (beyond the former Yugoslavian implosion which should have been a Euro thing and not a NATO thing) but there is a steady military action pattern on the Russian side that cannot be justified except under the preeminent Slavic ruler point of view.  I would not have used NATO as the Euro vehicle for the former satellites, that should have been an all EU affair as well, the US should be out of NATO and out of Europe, period.

On the self-ordination of Russia as the preeminent Slavic ruler, this goes back a long ways...from the earliest days when Muscovites conquered the Kievian Rus down through Imperial times into the Soviet era and to the present day.  Basically it is a story of might makes right and to the victors go the writing of history along with all the spoils.  I keep coming around to these deep-seated and erroneous interpretations of Russian preeminence because they've been used by Tribal Chieftains, Monarchs, Politburos and Dictators to justify their divine right to rule absolute power over anything they've ever conquered in the past.  By such interpretations what isn't right or possible?  Absolutely nothing.

And Putin is no different than any of his predecessors.  That statement may anger or upset some, well, not my problem...I only care about accuracy in what I say.  And I am not a Russia hater any more than I am a hater of Russian people...I think there are things to admire about the nation and its people, I think if given a fairer chance at autonomy and a break from this fantasy of Russian preeminence could free them and usher in a new age for their people and remove some of the gloominess in their character which I contend is a subconscious rebellion against centuries of falsehoods and false promises. 

Anyway, you want a glimpse inside the mind of the leading proponent of Russian preeminence then read this.  It was difficult for me because I was trying to carefully comprehend and dissect practically word by word, line by line.  Make no mistake, Putin is clever, and Putin like his predecessors glommed onto and exploited this mythology as the central driving force of his leadership and goals and instilled it in all of his allies, but he did it with much more skill than any of those predecessors and tapped into that fatal flaw of the long-suffering Russian character - the cult of the Strong Man.  The Strong Man and the mythology of Russian preeminence go hand in hand, and sadly, I do not see the Russian people breaking from it, it is fed into them from birth to death for so many generations I fear there is no escape from it for them.

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181 (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181)

According to the Russian preeminence mythos...one need not dwell on the "how" the greatest of the Slavic nations became great and dominate, it only matters that it simply "is" dominate.  In his rendition of this mythology Putin calls the ancient Rus state the "largest state in Europe", so not only is Russia the preeminent Slavic nation, it is the largest European nation.  Keep that in mind and juxtapose it with the alternating East/West flip-flopping of defining their past character as it suits them politically when examining their relations with Communist China and Mahdi cultists in Iran.  Anyway, Rus arose in Kiev, hence the term Kievian Rus.  Why doesn't Ukraine have a claim to preeminent Slavic nation?  The people of Ukraine have their own Cyrillic language, some regional dialects too...distinct from Russian.  Anyway, I will not dissect the whole thing...I would be typing all damn night...and in the end the result is the same.  No mention of "how" this preeminence was achieved, no admission of past wrongs, past slaughters...just the noble Knights of Muscovy bringing enlightened rule and prosperity to all their Slavic wards!  Just proves what I've known a long time...might makes right, might writes history...might is all that matters.

Since the Norsemen of Sweden spawned with the local Slavs in the Kiev region and began the rise of the Kievian Rus...the Swedes have the most senior land claim to all of the Slavic world.

They should assert their ancestral claim.  Free the Slavic lands from the usurping Russian despots and return it to the heirs of the conquering Norsemen!   ::hysterical::

Anyway, good luck cracking that Russian preeminence mythology!  I guess the advocates for Putin's Russia are yelling "Yes, yield to this ethos, or else!".  (Snort!)

I like being right, and I hate it.  Might makes right verified.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 13, 2022, 04:28:20 PM


I don't have the time to dig into this but here is what I recall.
Georgia started the conflict with Russia.
Russia did not shut off gas to Ukraine. Right now Germany buys gas from Russia from the Ukraine pipeline and allows Ukraine to take some in exchange for money. This is called "reverse flow" even though there is no such thing as running the pipeline in reverse. I cannot remember the financial details.

I agree all it takes is one big mistake to kick things off.  The MIC makes money off this. Ukraine is the big loser.

From imperfect memory. Some anarchists or nationalists try to assassinate the Archduke of Austria with bombs thrown at his motorcade but fail. Some soldiers are wounded.

The plot fails and one of the would be assassins goes into a bar on some side street to get a sandwich. The archduke decides to make a side trip to the hospital to see the wounded soldiers and makes a wrong turn and his driver has trouble getting the car into reverse. The would be assassin walks out of the bar and finds the archduke right in front of him and shoots and kills him. WWI ensues. That plot is too unreal to use in a movie but it happened. So weird stuff does happen..

We know now that at least a couple of the Syria gas attacks were fake but used by the US military as an excuse to bomb people. Libya was destroyed based on even flimsier data.  So nothing real has to happen. Just propaganda with the MSM providing cover.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2022, 07:55:59 AM
Somebody else started it, I win.  Sounds like might makes right vindicated to me.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2022, 08:53:50 AM
Latest news...

These Duran guys recycle Rus talking points like no other.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zuesse-making-sense-ukraine-standoff (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zuesse-making-sense-ukraine-standoff)

No point in rehashing any of that as there is only one truth in the entire article - I believe that Zelensky is doing all he can to comply with EU and not with U.S. but still stay alive.

Dude, you could have gone there without all of the attendant bullsh!t.  Zelensky isn't a moron, those are populating other governments.  He knows occupied America under JoeFraud's puppetmasters is wanting a fight to distract from their cratering domestic position and that many in Europe led by the UK are likewise inclined for the same reason, of course Zelensky is going to try to dance with the split-personality Euro's.  Congratulations Captain Obvious.

And as far as this more than reasonable request by a supposed "ally"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surreal-plot-twist-ukraines-president-demands-proof-us-over-russian-invasion-claims (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surreal-plot-twist-ukraines-president-demands-proof-us-over-russian-invasion-claims)

...the last thing JoeFraud's puppetmasters want is to stabilize things...so expect lame excuses and a lackey sent in his stead.

In fact, the distraction is such an overwhelming need in US Marxists that we see this complete bullsh!t coming out of the yap of Marxist HOuse Diktator Pelosi -

“Well, I think we have to be prepared for it. And that is what the president is — yes, I do believe that he is prepared for an invasion. I also understand why the President of Ukraine wants to keep people calm and that he wants his economy not to suffer. But, on the other hand, if we were not threatening the sanctions and the rest, it would guarantee that Putin would invade. Let’s hope that diplomacy works.

It’s about diplomacy deterrence. Diplomacy deterrence. And the president’s made it very clear. There’s a big price to pay for Russia to go there. So, if Russia doesn’t invade, it’s not that he never intended to. It’s just that the sanctions worked.” … “I’m very proud of the work that the president has done.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/13/its-official-white-house-ukraine-crisis-is-manufactured-pelosi-says-if-russia-doesnt-invade-ukraine-it-proves-strength-and-brilliance-of-joe-biden-policy/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/13/its-official-white-house-ukraine-crisis-is-manufactured-pelosi-says-if-russia-doesnt-invade-ukraine-it-proves-strength-and-brilliance-of-joe-biden-policy/)

These loons are taking an early victory lap, saying they are victorious no matter what happens.  I hope people realize are deranged and dangerous this is!  It locks any US response into automatic discharge mode or else they risk being seen for the insane fools they are.  This is playing with the worst sort of fire possible!

But Zelensky should stick to his good sense, and not precipitate an excuse for Putin to act and for the West to counter.

But, all it takes is some infiltrators to start something along the border and festivities commence.

As for Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sp-futures-surge-yields-jump-after-lavrov-says-there-way-move-forward (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/sp-futures-surge-yields-jump-after-lavrov-says-there-way-move-forward)

...Lavrov is right to advise continued dialogue, even if it is fruitless...for the same reason of not provoking anything.

As for the puppetmasters...it seems deepening NATO ties is their Grail...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-denmark-military-deal-affects-danish-national-sovereignty (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-denmark-military-deal-affects-danish-national-sovereignty)

...it going to take something nasty to get us unencumbered to these fricken Euro's!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 14, 2022, 09:09:39 AM
I don't follow this story on the 'news' any more. Lots of fear porn. No news.  IMO Biden wants to distract from US problems.

I will wait for any real military activity.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2022, 11:44:55 AM
Snort!

https://tass.com/politics/1402899

Only Russia can move in Russia...Ukraine cannot move in Ukraine...

 ::hysterical::

PS-Russia can also move in loyal vassal Belarus, muuhahaaa!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 14, 2022, 03:39:03 PM


Geez. Germany and others want Russian gas so they do not freeze in the dark. How hard is that for Biden to understand?

The Germans are the ones who begged for Russia to build NS2, because they shut down their nukes or were going to after the Japanese incident. You know, because of all the tidal wave danger in Germany.  Most EU countries are telling Ukraine to not start anything because the EU will not back them up.

Reminds of an old joke. Jimmy Carter threatened to cut off the Pepsi supply to Russia after they invaded Afghanistan.

Very hard to understand...it's jello-head Joe after all...

Merkel the former commie youth secretary (and suspected Stasi snitch) and Putin the former KGB officer coming from similar experiences probably not hard to see an understanding reached, eh?

And the excuse of Germany being as tectonically unstable as The Ring of Fire should be global headline news, right?

In Soviet Russia: No Pepsi, no Coke..Vodka!!!

 ::laughonfloor::

I just learned something about Putin. He did not run spooks in Berlin. He was essentially an in house lawyer. I thought he was a spy or spymaster.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2022, 04:23:22 PM


Geez. Germany and others want Russian gas so they do not freeze in the dark. How hard is that for Biden to understand?

The Germans are the ones who begged for Russia to build NS2, because they shut down their nukes or were going to after the Japanese incident. You know, because of all the tidal wave danger in Germany.  Most EU countries are telling Ukraine to not start anything because the EU will not back them up.

Reminds of an old joke. Jimmy Carter threatened to cut off the Pepsi supply to Russia after they invaded Afghanistan.

Very hard to understand...it's jello-head Joe after all...

Merkel the former commie youth secretary (and suspected Stasi snitch) and Putin the former KGB officer coming from similar experiences probably not hard to see an understanding reached, eh?

And the excuse of Germany being as tectonically unstable as The Ring of Fire should be global headline news, right?

In Soviet Russia: No Pepsi, no Coke..Vodka!!!

 ::laughonfloor::

I just learned something about Putin. He did not run spooks in Berlin. He was essentially an in house lawyer. I thought he was a spy or spymaster.


See "zampolit"  ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2022, 09:57:22 PM
C-BS says "Russians moving into attack positions.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-attack-by-end-week/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-attack-by-end-week/)

Pretty sure C-BS could discern an attack position if Dan Rather was standing behind them with his pants around his ankles...

Likely Sullivan BS.

Zelensky declares the day of the supposed attack (the 16th) as "a day of unity"...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/594151-zelensky-says-ukraine-has-been-informed-feb-16-will-be-day-of-attack (https://thehill.com/policy/international/594151-zelensky-says-ukraine-has-been-informed-feb-16-will-be-day-of-attack)

...if anything probably a floated date by Sullivan too, given that he would know first hand Jello-head JoeFraud's talk with Putin and Saturday was the exepected fustercluck..

Don't get the joke part though...

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/zelensky-makes-confusing-joke-about-russian-invasion.html (https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/zelensky-makes-confusing-joke-about-russian-invasion.html)

...war ain't pretty...it's brutal and nasty...unless you're doing it wrong...

Well, probably another jab both directions...I could see him getting frustrated and lashing out East and West.  Can't say I blame him...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 15, 2022, 06:47:24 AM
^^^^^
Someone said that Putin does not have to invade to destroy Ukraine. People in Ukraine are getting exhausted with the US pushing the fear porn. If Russia wants to crank up the exhaustion all they have to do is drive their troops around in circles  on their side of the border for a couple hours.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2022, 08:34:45 AM
^^^^^
Someone said that Putin does not have to invade to destroy Ukraine. People in Ukraine are getting exhausted with the US pushing the fear porn. If Russia wants to crank up the exhaustion all they have to do is drive their troops around in circles  on their side of the border for a couple hours.

Actually...no.

It appears Putin is having units RTB.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-withdraws-troops-ukraine-border-after-media-said-invasion-was-imminent (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-withdraws-troops-ukraine-border-after-media-said-invasion-was-imminent)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/amid-skepticism-russia-publishes-video-tanks-leaving-ukrainian-border-stoltenberg (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/amid-skepticism-russia-publishes-video-tanks-leaving-ukrainian-border-stoltenberg)

Russia saying Western propaganda proven false...West saying they are cautiously optimistic...no doubt JoeFraud and the rest of the Demonscat Party will be doing another victory lap...

In the end, nothing has changed since all these exercises have commenced...and the risk of war and the hope of peace remain precariously balanced on a teeny-tiny point...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 15, 2022, 10:05:41 AM
^^^^^
Someone said that Putin does not have to invade to destroy Ukraine. People in Ukraine are getting exhausted with the US pushing the fear porn. If Russia wants to crank up the exhaustion all they have to do is drive their troops around in circles  on their side of the border for a couple hours.

Actually...no.

It appears Putin is having units RTB.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-withdraws-troops-ukraine-border-after-media-said-invasion-was-imminent (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-withdraws-troops-ukraine-border-after-media-said-invasion-was-imminent)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/amid-skepticism-russia-publishes-video-tanks-leaving-ukrainian-border-stoltenberg (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/amid-skepticism-russia-publishes-video-tanks-leaving-ukrainian-border-stoltenberg)

Russia saying Western propaganda proven false...West saying they are cautiously optimistic...no doubt JoeFraud and the rest of the Demonscat Party will be doing another victory lap...

In the end, nothing has changed since all these exercises have commenced...and the risk of war and the hope of peace remain precariously balanced on a teeny-tiny point...

From your link
Paul Joseph Watson
I bet this won't age well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLodDHHXIAELIS2?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2022, 10:48:19 AM
Yup!  And give Zelensky credit for outing JoeFraud's 2/16 invasion date and mocking it...and giving Putin the heads up to RTB exercise units to rub it in.  Demonscats can crow all they want about getting Putin to pull back when what happened was Zelensky peed on his supposed invasion date, but watch, Demoscats will take a victory lap without addressing reality.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2022, 09:38:58 AM
SITYS -

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/15/russian-military-drills-conclude-troop-withdrawal-begins-white-house-proclaims-the-stunning-strength-and-brilliant-strategic-thinking-of-joe-biden-averted-thermonuclear-war/

Dangerous desperate degenerates...

PS - Who dunnit?

Can't rule anybody out...not the least of which is CIA using cutouts...

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-technology-business-europe-russia-e791990f60841b599f664c34f58403de
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 16, 2022, 12:34:15 PM
I had the Duran on in background. They had a guest who lives in Ukraine.
He said there is no evidence of any planned invasion and such would be obvious if there was to be an invasion.
Most people near him have relatives in Ukraine Russia and nothing is going on they say.
Also no one is panicking in his city where an invasion would first hit. He is 40 km from the border I think.

They said Russian troops are in existing bases, not camped along the border.

They said the US embassy is destroying records for show as they say they will move their embassy but if done that will harm the US and Ukrainian citizens big time. Also the Ukrainian currency is steady with no signs of dropping as in 2014.
Russians think the US govt and MSM are goofy with all their talk of invasion.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2022, 09:03:01 AM
Well, somebody is stirring something...

It was a relatively quiet overnight session until just before 11pm ET on Wednesday, when Russia's RIA Novosti news agency reported that Russian-backed separatists claimed Ukrainian forces had violated cease-fire rules in four places with a message posted on the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic (DNR)’s  Telegram channel claiming that "the situation on the line of contact has sharply escalated. The enemy is making attempts to unleash active hostilities." This was followed promptly by the Ukrainian government returning the accusation and pointing the finger at separatists as being behind the shooting. Amid the he fired, she fired confusion, monitors from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), which has been observing the situation in eastern Ukraine, recorded numerous shelling incidents along the line of contact in Donbas on Thursday morning, a diplomatic source told Reuters.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-slide-following-reports-ukraine-shelling (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-slide-following-reports-ukraine-shelling)

So, is the Duran's guy not near the border, not near the shelling...deaf...?

Does this "guest" have a name or nationality of origin?

Anyway, the shelling above seems real...trusting a Russian news source quoting Russian-backed separatists posting a message on a DPR channel seems asking a lot...and BTW can that prose be more tortuous?  Massive red flag on that.  It's just as likely the separatists lobbed first knowing independent observers are not well positioned to tell...and Ukraine responded...which would make the OSCE's report of general "shelling" being unattributed the confirmation of this likely scenario.

They hysteria from any quarter is BS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-donbass-rebels-accuse-each-other-violating-ceasefire-kremlin-denies-troop (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-and-donbass-rebels-accuse-each-other-violating-ceasefire-kremlin-denies-troop)

...fresh off their last manufactured victory lap they thirst for more...

...really, I am all for border skirmishes...have some snipers pick off the highest ranking targets they can find...maybe widen no mans land a bit more...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2022, 11:49:05 AM

Here is the guest they had on the duran. I cannot remember if I listened to the whole things that well.
My main take away was that people in Ukraine and Russia are related to each other and any prep for invasion in Russia would be noticed and reported back to the relatives and friends in Ukraine.
They were mocking the idea of the Feb 16 invasion.

Some source maybe an interview with some expert interviewed by the Hoover Stanford guy talked about Putin. He said Putin got everything he wanted recently from the US without firing a shot..

Some source maybe the duran said there was shooting across maybe the contact line. I cannot remember if the shelling was across the Russia Ukraine border or more likely across the Ukraine contact line in the east.
https://rumble.com/vv3c78-on-the-ground-in-ukraine-on-invasion-day-and-trudeaus-martial-law-w-gonzalo.html
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2022, 11:57:55 AM
Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2022, 02:25:01 PM
Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   ::hysterical::

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2022, 04:41:33 PM
Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   ::hysterical::

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'

Demented old pervy pedo probably should stop assaulting little girls and STFU!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2022, 05:37:37 PM
Well Jeepers, not even Ukrainian...what ya got there is a Paisan who sounds like a Yankee Imperialist dog!   ::hysterical::

Yeah. I recall he might be a US business man.
Meanwhile Alex says there is shelling across the contact line. Not his words exactly.

https://youtu.be/FzStJcHiJ8M
Biden White House desperate to get some sort of 'Ukraine invasion'

Demented old pervy pedo probably should stop assaulting little girls and STFU!

According to the diary of Biden's daughter, Biden would come into the shower with her when she was an adolescent, as best I recall.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
This Lukashenko bastard is one batshyt-crazy loon...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-threatens-deploy-nukes-against-any-western-aggression (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-threatens-deploy-nukes-against-any-western-aggression)

...but Putin seems to like nuts...the nuttier the better I guess...

...but he'll have permanent bases in Belarus and nukes...what's not to like?

/

Meanwhile, cannot wait to hear all the hilarious stories about why the Donbas separatists (Russians) are fleeing into Russia (Rostov)...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia)

...seems to me that if masses on one side of the border are peaceful and exercises why the other is nefarious and intending invasion...seems it is Zelensky's turn to ask Putin what his date for invasion is?  ::hysterical::

Petulant children in Washington and Moscow.

And why would Zelensky negotiate with separatist Russians and not the real Russians backing them?  Duh!

Pushilin can't so much as fart without Vlad's written permission, so it seems the over the top rhetoric is the only real battle raging in Moscow and Washington.

 ::unknowncomic::

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 18, 2022, 10:06:03 AM
The Duran guys were reporting small arms, machine guns, and grenade attacks across the contact line but no heavy artillery so far.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
Skittish dancers...such a tease!

See this?

https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/russia-expels-deputy-u-s-ambassador-washington-to-respond-ria (https://nationalpost.com/pmn/news-pmn/crime-pmn/russia-expels-deputy-u-s-ambassador-washington-to-respond-ria)

PNG ping-pong!   ::whoohoo::

And I cannot blame the Baltics for being nervous...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-likely-launch-limited-military-attack-against-ukraine-estonian-2022-02-16/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-likely-launch-limited-military-attack-against-ukraine-estonian-2022-02-16/)

...no matter what government runs Russia the preeminent Slavic ruler gene is ever-present.

Heck, the three should seize Königsberg...   :D

And everybody wants anti-tank missiles...

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/16/poles-want-1000-us-anti-tank-missiles-ukraine/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/feb/16/poles-want-1000-us-anti-tank-missiles-ukraine/)

...well, sure.  Anti-air & anti-tank always high on shopping lists...snooze ya lose...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 18, 2022, 05:55:25 PM


Shelling across the Ukranian contact line.
https://rumble.com/vv9m0y-situation-in-donbass-massively-escalates-war-prospects-rise.html
Situation in Donbass Massively Escalates, War Prospects Rise
Alexander Mercouris Published February 18, 2022
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2022, 12:00:33 PM
Putin is keeping a low profile...says things are "deteriorating" in Eastern Ukraine...while letting his ministers talk tough and his "separatists" increase their war footing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-separatist-leaders-declare-full-military-mobilization (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-separatist-leaders-declare-full-military-mobilization)

Gas pipeline explosion (ignoring JoeFraud for now in this link...see more below)...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-tumble-after-donbas-separatists-announce-evacuation-women-children-russia)

As for JoeFraud and the DeepState...they're still pushing the invasion immanent chatter...

Austin citing FoggyBottom approval of $6B Abrams tank deal sending 250 units to Poland pokes the bear, on top of the $6.5B deal sending 32 F-35's...and staging more US fighters there...

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/18/putin-tank-deal-poland-00010107 (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/02/18/putin-tank-deal-poland-00010107)

Company of Stryker's to Bulgaria...

https://warriormaven.com/global-security/russia-ukraine-invasion-stryker-vehicles (https://warriormaven.com/global-security/russia-ukraine-invasion-stryker-vehicles)

And pimping the story that post-invasion Russia plans arrests and assassinations...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/russia-ukraine-arrest-assassination-invasion/ (https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/02/18/russia-ukraine-arrest-assassination-invasion/)

...anonymous IC sources... (snort!)

And "concerned" over Zelensky visiting Munich...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-concerned-zelenskyys-trip-munich-rcna16856 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/us-concerned-zelenskyys-trip-munich-rcna16856)

...when it is more likely he is moving forward with his visit for two logical reasons - 1) to downplay Washington's over-heated rhetoric (this seems to be confirmed by Ukraine Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov saying the probability of Russia invading is "low" (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-defense-chief-says-low-probability-major-conflict-russia-contradicting-biden)) and 2) to tell idiot #2 (Heels-Up Harris) to tell idiot #1 (JoeFraud) to STFD & STFU.

I think Zelensky has a good handle on things and a balanced approach...and as long as Putin doesn't rise to any bait (though it may be problematic controlling his "separatists" in this regard) and ignore the Swampcritters...with enough time passing and Russian units RTBing after exercises things settle down and the Swampcritters find a new crisis to run with...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 19, 2022, 12:25:09 PM
It would be nice if there were journalists who would report on the exact amount of shelling across the conflict line into Eastern Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2022, 12:31:37 PM
No journalists...only propagandists...

Anybody unbiased would likely become a victim...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 19, 2022, 01:07:42 PM
^^^^^
I still remember after a 'gas attack' in Syria the MSM reported it as fact and said that Assad was preventing the press from going to the city in order to cover his tracks. So some OAN reporter Pearson Sharp drove to the city with camera man and interpreter and walked around and talked to the locals and even the ER docs where a little boy was hosed off on some propaganda video.  In short, no gas attack just some dust inside the shelter tunnels. The US launched cruise missiles in response to a fake gas attack. There was massive cover up later as well. A previous gas attack was likely faked as well as I recall but the MSM did not examine it.

Some guy covered the Afghan war against the Soviets by embedding with the Mujahedin. Robert D. Kaplan. He said the war was not covered because journalists could not find 5 star hotels to stay in. He is an excellent writer. How he is still alive I will never know.

(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1398955443l/290834.jpg)



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2022, 11:09:15 AM
Syria was a distraction to hide the fact Obamao was running weapons to crazies...same reason our Ambassador and American contractors were left to die in Benghazi and senior military leaders in-theater were sacked (and increased all the pace of all sackings that gave us the woke idiot REMFs we have now)...

Now, it appears the Unholy Macron wants an easy dunk with Putin...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine)

...and Putin is glad to play along and look like he is giving something that was already planned...

...leaving DeepState here looking like buffoons again.

Speaking of buffoons...looks like I nailed it in my assessment for Zelensky going to this meeting...

Listening to Heels-Up Harris is painful...skip to 1:47 mark to avoid that sh!t...

https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs (https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs)

...he's polite in this meeting...

...but not pulling his punches in his address - "...someone is lying"...with that he is talking to the puppetmasters, not JoeFraud or Heels-Up...as well as Putin and his "separatists"...and he is going into details...WaPo & NYT and their masters (CIA & FoggyBottom) not going to be happy...nor is Putin and his people...

(https://i.imgur.com/GCdOlCU.jpg)

...and he is chastising the EU for being feckless and Russia for being ignorant of their past aggressions...he's trying an independent course for Ukraine to determine its own way and own allies in the spirit of past agreements including Minsk...but navigating DeepState American needs for conflict and distraction, conflicting Euro positions and self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic rule of Russia is perhaps the most bold juggling act any human has ever undertaken.

His shot at Russia about NATO Article 5 being a more effective guarantee of peace than Budapest is not without merit...Putin doesn't acknowledge Budapest...and bending the knee to Russia is not an option for any nation wanting to be free.

Actually the most radical solution may be the only solution for an independent Ukraine...becoming a nuclear power...and telling everybody East and West to leave them alone, or else.

CNN twit...doesn't get the answers she wants that puppet JoeFraud or his masters want to hear...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232)

I think his groan was answer enough!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2022, 12:41:34 PM

Alexander from the Duran said that the Ukraine forces were attempting to break through the conflict line in Ukraine. Also some shells landed inside Russia. Does not mean it is true.
If Ukraine (Kiev) does cross that line I think Putin will respond with military.

https://youtu.be/ooUwlsGO_sc
Holding the line in East Ukraine & distraction from crisis in Canada
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
Syria was a distraction to hide the fact Obamao was running weapons to crazies...same reason our Ambassador and American contractors were left to die in Benghazi and senior military leaders in-theater were sacked (and increased all the pace of all sackings that gave us the woke idiot REMFs we have now)...

Now, it appears the Unholy Macron wants an easy dunk with Putin...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine)

...and Putin is glad to play along and look like he is giving something that was already planned...

...leaving DeepState here looking like buffoons again.

Speaking of buffoons...looks like I nailed it in my assessment for Zelensky going to this meeting...

Listening to Heels-Up Harris is painful...skip to 1:47 mark to avoid that sh!t...

https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs (https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs)

...he's polite in this meeting...

...but not pulling his punches in his address - "...someone is lying"...with that he is talking to the puppetmasters, not JoeFraud or Heels-Up...as well as Putin and his "separatists"...and he is going into details...WaPo & NYT and their masters (CIA & FoggyBottom) not going to be happy...nor is Putin and his people...

(https://i.imgur.com/GCdOlCU.jpg)

...and he is chastising the EU for being feckless and Russia for being ignorant of their past aggressions...he's trying an independent course for Ukraine to determine its own way and own allies in the spirit of past agreements including Minsk...but navigating DeepState American needs for conflict and distraction, conflicting Euro positions and self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic rule of Russia is perhaps the most bold juggling act any human has ever undertaken.

His shot at Russia about NATO Article 5 being a more effective guarantee of peace than Budapest is not without merit...Putin doesn't acknowledge Budapest...and bending the knee to Russia is not an option for any nation wanting to be free.

Actually the most radical solution may be the only solution for an independent Ukraine...becoming a nuclear power...and telling everybody East and West to leave them alone, or else.

CNN twit...doesn't get the answers she wants that puppet JoeFraud or his masters want to hear...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232)

I think his groan was answer enough!   ::hysterical::

Now Zelensky says he might want nukes. Just what the world needs. Knowing how corrupt Ukraine is they might sell them to Iran. Recall how they sold military equipment to drug lords.

I recall some theories on why the US embassy in Syria was attacked.
As you recall, the people attacking said "Corsi sent us." The then Egyptian president. The attackers were professional according to those on site watching the mortars being advanced in professionally.
There had to be a reason.
1. The US was sending the weapons stored at Benghazi to Syria via Turkey and they were angry as they considered the weapons theirs.
2. They wanted to kidnap the ambassador and exchange him for the blind sheik. There was evidence they did not attack him when they could have. He died of smoke inhalation not gun shots or mortars. They apparently wanted him alive.
3. #2 but Obama knew of it. The attackers knew the ambassador was there. That is why Obama lied about the reason for the attack (a movie) when the truth would have been better. Oama had earlier said he might be open to releasing the blind sheik.


Kim reports on the Zero Hedge works for Russia BS
https://youtu.be/LS2xb7O_z6Y (https://youtu.be/LS2xb7O_z6Y)
Zero Hedge Labeled 'Russian Asset' Without Evidence By Biden Admin For Countering Narratives
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Kim Iversen



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2022, 03:29:48 PM


Retired general is saying what many have said here. Given satellite photos, we would see Russian forces moving out of bases, to assembly areas to be gassed up and "up gunned" (whatever that means). He says Ukraine has zero defense against Russian missiles and planes. He seems in favor of giving them that and the US had the chance but passed.

He says Russia moved up their nuke force tests from October to now. He also asked why Zelensky left the country at this time!

https://youtu.be/D5adY6puBqg
Gen. Jack Keane talks ramifications of potential Russian invasion
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2022, 08:59:06 AM
Syria was a distraction to hide the fact Obamao was running weapons to crazies...same reason our Ambassador and American contractors were left to die in Benghazi and senior military leaders in-theater were sacked (and increased all the pace of all sackings that gave us the woke idiot REMFs we have now)...

Now, it appears the Unholy Macron wants an easy dunk with Putin...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-macron-agree-hold-trilateral-talks-next-few-hours-halt-escalation-ukraine)

...and Putin is glad to play along and look like he is giving something that was already planned...

...leaving DeepState here looking like buffoons again.

Speaking of buffoons...looks like I nailed it in my assessment for Zelensky going to this meeting...

Listening to Heels-Up Harris is painful...skip to 1:47 mark to avoid that sh!t...

https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs (https://youtu.be/x_lvCHUVvXs)

...he's polite in this meeting...

...but not pulling his punches in his address - "...someone is lying"...with that he is talking to the puppetmasters, not JoeFraud or Heels-Up...as well as Putin and his "separatists"...and he is going into details...WaPo & NYT and their masters (CIA & FoggyBottom) not going to be happy...nor is Putin and his people...

(https://i.imgur.com/GCdOlCU.jpg)

...and he is chastising the EU for being feckless and Russia for being ignorant of their past aggressions...he's trying an independent course for Ukraine to determine its own way and own allies in the spirit of past agreements including Minsk...but navigating DeepState American needs for conflict and distraction, conflicting Euro positions and self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic rule of Russia is perhaps the most bold juggling act any human has ever undertaken.

His shot at Russia about NATO Article 5 being a more effective guarantee of peace than Budapest is not without merit...Putin doesn't acknowledge Budapest...and bending the knee to Russia is not an option for any nation wanting to be free.

Actually the most radical solution may be the only solution for an independent Ukraine...becoming a nuclear power...and telling everybody East and West to leave them alone, or else.

CNN twit...doesn't get the answers she wants that puppet JoeFraud or his masters want to hear...

https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232 (https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1495085538935775232)

I think his groan was answer enough!   ::hysterical::

Now Zelensky says he might want nukes. Just what the world needs. Knowing how corrupt Ukraine is they might sell them to Iran. Recall how they sold military equipment to drug lords.

I recall some theories on why the US embassy in Syria was attacked.
As you recall, the people attacking said "Corsi sent us." The then Egyptian president. The attackers were professional according to those on site watching the mortars being advanced in professionally.
There had to be a reason.
1. The US was sending the weapons stored at Benghazi to Syria via Turkey and they were angry as they considered the weapons theirs.
2. They wanted to kidnap the ambassador and exchange him for the blind sheik. There was evidence they did not attack him when they could have. He died of smoke inhalation not gun shots or mortars. They apparently wanted him alive.
3. #2 but Obama knew of it. The attackers knew the ambassador was there. That is why Obama lied about the reason for the attack (a movie) when the truth would have been better. Oama had earlier said he might be open to releasing the blind sheik.


Kim reports on the Zero Hedge works for Russia BS
https://youtu.be/LS2xb7O_z6Y (https://youtu.be/LS2xb7O_z6Y)
Zero Hedge Labeled 'Russian Asset' Without Evidence By Biden Admin For Countering Narratives
1,556 views
Feb 20, 2022
Kim Iversen

Why so raaaaaciss?!  Nukes for the Mahdi Death Cult is OK (has to be, if Putin's Russia is number one pal!) but not Ukrainians?  It's because they're white, isn't it?!

 ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2022, 09:16:11 AM
Yeah, Keane tows the party line.  And only an idiot thinks Ukraine alone can hold back the Russian military...it would be like the Spanish and the Aztecs...though Ukraine might put up a bit more of a fight.

Vlad extended the Belarus exercises, is pooh-poohing a summit with our puppet...

Tanks, trucks and artillery have been spotted just two and a half miles from Ukrainian territory in Russia's Belgorod region as new satellite images reveal convoys and troops hiding in civilian areas and the tree-lines of forests in Soloti and Valuyki - a short distance from Ukraine's Kharkiv region where major military bases are located.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10534829/Russian-battleplans-call-overwhelming-intensity-fire-Ukraine.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10534829/Russian-battleplans-call-overwhelming-intensity-fire-Ukraine.html)

Vlad convened his security council...and given the "separatist" leader demands recognition of the DPR...I can see this story of a "Ukrainian armored incursion" as being total BS meant to legitimize the "separatists" and force Putin to act militarily.

Update(9:48amET): Separatist leader Denis Pushilin has issued a formal request to President Vladimir Putin calling on Russia to recognize the Donetsk People's Republic. The Luhansk republic has simultaneously published the same request, at a moment Putin is holding an urgent session of the Russian Security Council. This followed quickly on the heels of what Russia's southern command said was a serious attempt of Ukrainian armored vehicles to breach its border, that resulted in five Ukrainians killed.

However, the Ukrainian government and army rejected the entirety of the allegations as "fake news" - rejecting that its forces are even in the area where it's said to have occurred (though without addressing the possibility that they could have been irregular forces). But Russia's FSB Director Bortnikov Russian responding by saying the Russian military "destroyed Ukrainian forces that tried to infiltrate the border and took one Ukrainian POW" - thus doubling down on the claims.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance)

Produce the "POW"...should be easy for Ukraine to search its roster for such a person in their ranks.  Seems illogical for the weaker nation to invade the stronger.  This person is most likely a patsy of a CIA op meant to bait Putin into acting.  Also, that should be fairly easily proven and Zelensky is likely looking into that possibility on his end.  It just doesn't smell right.  But, will Vlad take their bait, recognize this separatist state and drive Ukraine into NATO's arms?

 ::whatgives::

Meanwhile, proof that the puppetmaster's pulling JoeFraud's strings are driven to adventure abroad to hide their culpability at home for a sh!t economy and parabolic inflation...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/20/ron-klains-domestic-motive-for-ukraine-crisis-surfaces-white-house-to-blame-economic-collapse-gas-prices-and-inflation-on-manufactured-russia-ukraine-conflict/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/20/ron-klains-domestic-motive-for-ukraine-crisis-surfaces-white-house-to-blame-economic-collapse-gas-prices-and-inflation-on-manufactured-russia-ukraine-conflict/)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/20/ron-klain-organizes-a-stunning-massive-and-magnificent-biden-putin-peace-summit-certain-to-bring-nobel-peace-nomination/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/20/ron-klain-organizes-a-stunning-massive-and-magnificent-biden-putin-peace-summit-certain-to-bring-nobel-peace-nomination/)

It is the Marxist policies og JoeFraud, Pelolsi, Schumer et al, not Russia, that saw bloated budget-nuking bills, that crippled domestic oil & gas production and transmission, that exacerbated plandemic economic destruction and logistical nightmares, that criminalized political opposition and dissent, that sent prices soaring...they can run hide and lie all they want...nobody buys this Russian BS anymore.  These are last gasps of a collapsing ideology, period.

(https://media.patriots.win/post/Ok76APt0iNyc.png)
H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2022, 03:50:33 PM

When the little boy cried wolf the wolf did eventually come. That may happen here. I have heard too much Russia BS over the years and the US pretty much destroyed Ukraine already with the coup and the anti Russia sanctions that mostly hurt Ukraine.

I did not listen to any Putin speech. Not enough time. Maybe a summary will pop up. Does this mean the NS2 pipeline will not get approved? That will show the Russians who is boss! Germany will freeze in the dark. What happens when the Russians say down the line that they will ship gas to Germany, but not via Ukraine, only via NS2? Maybe Germany will shut down some more nuke plants. That will teach Russia!  There are other pipelines to other countries that do not GAF about Ukraine.   

This whole mess was caused by the US coup to block a trade deal between Russia and Ukraine that was a better deal than the proposed EU Ukraine trade deal. Now Russia and China are in bed together making each better able to withstand sanctions. Brilliant moves by the US.

(https://social.infogalactic.com/images/posts/49824410-f618-4834-893e-baf6be70c110/medium-7008c1cc811ae2ef2a34509907cc4fa4.png?v=63812694712)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2022, 04:41:03 PM
I'm sure everybody thinks they're better off under puppet JoeFraud than Orange Man Bad!, eh?

At least Donald was making some headway in curbing international insanity...and the DeepState knew it and that's why they went all-in with the Marxist DemCom's & axis pals in Media, BigTech & Big Pharma and even got come corrupt pubbies to go along and play rigged ball...

History will not be kind...if anybody is alive to remember it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2022, 12:11:18 PM
Czar Vlad recognizes Russian claims in rebel Ukrainian provinces...issues Imperial warning and decrees:

Update(2:30pmET): It's official: Putin has confirmed the change of status recognition while warning Kiev and the West that Russia's military will act against any further aggression. He warned that Ukraine's government must now halt all military actions against Donbas or whatever happens next will be on them.

Translation - Russian squatters cannot give the finger to Ukraine without the help of Mommy, beg Mommy to legitimize their secession and roll in troops, Czar Vlad naturally agrees to absorb more territory and expand military presence in the area and tells Ukraine (snort!) to cease hostilities and grab ankles like a proper Slavic bitch.

Can't say the c*******er isn't consistent, same message as always after every territorial seizure.  And no matter how he spins this as some sort of brave humanitarian act...the too clever he is stupid SOB just gave the DeepState here the excuse they've been yearning for.

And this BS...

"Modern Ukraine was completely created by Russia," Putin stated at the outset of his speech.  (Ha!  You mean conquered & subjugated by Russia!)
PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE WAS NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE STABLE STATEHOOD AND HAS THEREFORE HAD TO RELY ON FOREIGN COUNTRIES LIKE THE UNITED STATES (As opposed to being reliant upon Mother Russia which is Mother Russia's natural right!)
PUTIN: UKRAINE HAS BECOME 'A COLONY WITH A PUPPET GOVERNMENT' (Ha!  Invading Russians conquered the Rus origin point and squatted their nobles upon the land...who colonized first, dumbass?!)
PUTIN SAYS UKRAINE PLANS TO CREATE ITS OWN NUCLEAR WEAPONS (They would be stupid not to...given your opinion of them compared to your opinion of the Mahdi Death Cultists!  Hope they nuke up like massively!)
PUTIN SAYS WE WERE PROMISED NATO WOULD NOT EXPAND PUTIN SAYS THE OPPOSITE HAPPENED (Whaaa!  Tough sh*t!  You wanted weak-ass American leadership, as did your Chi-Com and Mahdi pals...don't play the stupid petulant child and hypocrite who ignores Budapest!)
PUTIN: I WILL SAY SOMETHING IVE NEVER SAID FOR THE FIRST TIME: I ASKED CLINTON HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT RUSSIA JOINING NATO? (Uhh, WTF, dude?)
PUTIN SAYS WE SAW FIVE WAVES OF NATO EXPANSION RECENTLY (And you think this will stop more waves?  Ha!  For someone smart you sure are doing a nice job of not understanding the DeepState here!  Duh Fuqh, dude?)
U.S. DOES NOT NEED SUCH A BIG COUNTRY AS RUSSIA IN NATO (Must be a bad translation, no idea WTF this is about, is it a phallic thing - Russia > America or some crap?)
'WHY MAKE AN ENEMY OF US  (Again, the DeepState is your enemy, not the America people...the DeepState trampled us...then focused on you...and you fed them the distraction they lusted for by grabbing these provinces...congratulations on your victory...I think it may prove to be pyric...)
PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA HAS EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT ITS SECURITY, THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO (Yes, puny poorly equipped Ukraine posed an existential threat to your vast empire...better look out...those Romanians look sketchy!)
PUTIN: UKRAINE DOESNT WANT A PEACEFUL RESOLUTION (You mean Ukraine doesn't want to kneel before you and show the proper respect to the self-proclaimed preeminent Slavic Master, right?)
PUTIN: RUSSIA WILL TAKE STEPS TO ENSURE ITS SECURITY  (Well, don't be pussy...pick on somebody your own size!)
PUTIN SAYS RUSSIA WILL RECOGNISE INDEPENDENCE OF TWO BREAKAWAY REGIONS IN EASTERN UKRAINE  (Feel "safer" now?)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/donbas-rebel-leaders-formally-urge-immediate-russian-military-assistance)

Instead of resisting this...America should be embracing it...we should be grabbing our fair share...Bermuda, Cuba, Jamaica, Canada, Mexico...lots of places to absorb.  But no, DeepState wants war over there at any cost.

Zelensky is seeking out the UNSC...yah, with Russia & China there to spike anything those morons come up with...

China laughingly tries to sound neutral when we know they are anything but...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-resists-us-pressure-take-sides-urges-calm-1st-statement-russian-action-donbas (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-resists-us-pressure-take-sides-urges-calm-1st-statement-russian-action-donbas)

Germany decides to lop off its genitals in protest...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/germany-halts-nord-stream-2-major-sign-impending-russia-sanctions-will-be-tough (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/germany-halts-nord-stream-2-major-sign-impending-russia-sanctions-will-be-tough)

...which I don't really care about...

Puppet starts sanctions...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/21/russian-president-putin-recognizes-donetsk-and-luhansk-as-independent-breakaway-territories-of-ukraine-biden-fires-back-by-sanctioning-the-people-living-in-donetsk-and-luhansk/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/21/russian-president-putin-recognizes-donetsk-and-luhansk-as-independent-breakaway-territories-of-ukraine-biden-fires-back-by-sanctioning-the-people-living-in-donetsk-and-luhansk/)

...which I also don't GAFF about...

...actually I care about few of them here, sans Ukrainian people who are getting effed by everybody....

...should be a Euro and Ukraine problem, but no...people want/need NATO and American funding of it because they are too lazy, poor and stupid to stand up for themselves.  Which is why Ukraine should have nukes, sh*tloads of them, because nothing else will keep the ravenous Russian bear at bay...

...and this is the DeepState and its DemCOm bitches and corrupt pubbie Quislings wanting this...not the American people...

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trafalgar-group-taiwan-border-defense/2022/02/21/id/1057819/ (https://www.newsmax.com/politics/trafalgar-group-taiwan-border-defense/2022/02/21/id/1057819/)

...the people prefer to protect Taiwan from the CCP red menace.

But, as always all you can count on is everybody being disappointed...such is corrupt latter day planet Earth...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2022, 01:36:27 PM
I got a great idea of using the Putin Doctrine...see Konigsberg...

(https://dataviz.nbcnews.com/projects/20220221-russia-ukraine-map-donetsk-luhansk/assets/ai2html-output-340-wide.png)

...it's an old Prussian capitol that has deep ties...deep!...with Lithuania and Poland...that was held by Germany and (a familiar story) "repopulated" with Russians after the Red Army rolled West...and renamed some Russian BS or other...

I say Lithuania & Poland should reclaim it, heard the cries of their peoples in bondage, recognized their yearning to be independent and rolled in their troops to secure the peace!

 :D

Everybody should be acting on their shopping lists...only fools miss out.

And in an all too easy prediction...Vlad's DPR/LPR recognition and dire warning is having the opposite effect...

Zelensky says Ukraine troops not going anywhere...bring the violence!

https://tass.com/world/1408279 (https://tass.com/world/1408279)

Probably not a bad move, show the Russians killing and destroying...let them inherit ashes.  Can't blame him...

And since Putin is asking his Duma for permission (likely a mere formality) to operate militarily "outside of Russia" (and the DPR/LPR now being "in" Russia) it seems obvious he wants the latitude to go from a slow roll to a fast incursion elsewhere.

EU nations talking sanctions...blah blah...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10537897/Ukraine-crisis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10537897/Ukraine-crisis-Invasion-begun-Sajid-Javid-declares.html)

The WEF elite have their hands full with plandemic despotism (https://brownstone.org/articles/the-next-step-for-the-world-economic-forum/) but beyond sanctions and propaganda it is uncertain what military influence they will have on Western members in this show.

And now Zelensky is demanding a "date certain" for Ukraine membership into NATO...

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/595040-zelensky-ukraine-wants-clear-timeframe-for-nato-membership (https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/595040-zelensky-ukraine-wants-clear-timeframe-for-nato-membership)

...because without Article V the Rus can roll virtually unopposed through all of Ukraine.

And puppet JoeFraud is likely hamstrung in doing much to stop anything...sanctions, angry words...yadda yadda yadda...

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/putin-orders-troops-into-eastern-ukraine-invasion-of-ukraine-has-begun-javid-says.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/22/putin-orders-troops-into-eastern-ukraine-invasion-of-ukraine-has-begun-javid-says.html)

Might Makes Right, get on board or get rolled over.

ETA - But the rogue illegitimate Marxists are more interested in domestic oppression repression and suppression of dissent and civil liberties...

https://www.dailywire.com/news/left-wing-professor-suggests-tucker-carlson-trump-wing-of-gop-are-committing-treason-for-opposing-ukraine-conflict (https://www.dailywire.com/news/left-wing-professor-suggests-tucker-carlson-trump-wing-of-gop-are-committing-treason-for-opposing-ukraine-conflict)

 ::doublebird::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2022, 09:35:15 AM
In stark contrast to Canada where Castreau is abusing emergency power to crush political opponents...Ukraine has a more traditional need for such actions...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-state-emergency-following-us-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-state-emergency-following-us-sanctions)

...as for sanctions, whatever...their effect on the intended will be limited and the blowback on imposing nation economies more deleterious.

Dangerous Clown World stupid human games...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 23, 2022, 09:51:24 AM
Ukraine has been jailing opposition politicians and shutting down radio stations for a while now.
The Grayzone had some Ukraine expert on. Better analysis than most.
https://youtu.be/TqVCMZdnb3k

Rejecting NATO expansion, Putin recognizes forgotten Donbas civilians
4,915 views
Feb 23, 2022

I learned some trivia. The UN says that 80% of casualties in the past years have been in the Eastern provinces side of the conflict line since 2018. Mostly shelling. The NS2 pipeline is 2000 km shorter than the pipeline through Ukraine. He said that the Putin speech to Russia was very emotional.

Today, Russia further announced that they were recognizing the entire eastern provinces, not just those on the eastern side of the conflict line. So those parts under Kiev control.

Guest: Richard Sakwa. Professor of Russian and European politics at the University of Kent. His books include “Frontline Ukraine: Crisis in the Borderlands” and his latest, “Deception: Russiagate and the New Cold War.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2022, 11:07:03 AM
Making it easier for thugs back here to run their distraction game plan...

I guess one could not be faulted to assume all despots the world over are acting in harmony with their own selfish despotic impulses...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Global-cabal-pic-.jpg)
H/T-TGP

I'm sure all of this will be fine...

/

Get used to hearing these talking points non-stop 24/7/365 for the rest of time (or the Earth ends)...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/22/western-leaders-blame-russia-ukraine-conflict-for-energy-prices-deflecting-from-g7-build-back-better-and-climate-change-agenda/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/22/western-leaders-blame-russia-ukraine-conflict-for-energy-prices-deflecting-from-g7-build-back-better-and-climate-change-agenda/)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/22/steve-cortes-hits-the-target-team-biden-using-russia-to-hide-outcomes-of-their-economic-agenda/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/22/steve-cortes-hits-the-target-team-biden-using-russia-to-hide-outcomes-of-their-economic-agenda/)

(https://i.imgur.com/B9BvPcA.jpg)

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1230998887298564096 (https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1230998887298564096)   ::hysterical::

(https://i.imgflip.com/5cyz39.jpg)
H/T-CTH

FWIW - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/22/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-first-tranche-of-swift-and-severe-costs-on-russia/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/02/22/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-first-tranche-of-swift-and-severe-costs-on-russia/)

ETA - Cyber attacks on Ukraine...and Russian sites experiencing a tripling of outages...

https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1496498930925940738 (https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1496498930925940738)

The initial salvos, eh?

On other fronts...

Finland is nervous, sharing a 830 mile border with a ravenous Bear...

(https://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/262409191_259673892859300_541369016650902722_n-1-660x372.jpeg)

...but all looks quiet there...

I think their pals in the Baltics and Poland should be a little more concerned...

On the plus side for Vlad, he got ringing endorsements from Erdogan & Assad...so the annexation of a couple other provinces has to be legit...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on February 23, 2022, 12:21:04 PM
https://twitter.com/PopulismUpdates/status/1219529953223438336
Italy moving in to help ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2022, 04:55:53 PM
Uncle Vinny?   ::hysterical::

I know that word...  ::vafancoul::   ::laughonfloor::

Vlad says hypersonic missiles are "on the table"...so, that should be a bigger BOOM!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2022, 09:01:48 AM
Putin: "Special military operation" because "Russia cannot feel secure"...

Oh, poor Russians!   ::hysterical::

https://youtu.be/Y8kXuXLTub0 (https://youtu.be/Y8kXuXLTub0)

“I have a few words for those who could feel tempted to interfere with ongoing developments: whoever tries to impede us, let alone create threats for our country and its people must know that the Russian response will be immediate and lead to the consequences you have never seen in history,”
https://breaking911.com/breaking-putin-announces-military-operation-in-ukraine-warns-attempts-to-interfere-will-be-met-with-consequences-never-seen/ (https://breaking911.com/breaking-putin-announces-military-operation-in-ukraine-warns-attempts-to-interfere-will-be-met-with-consequences-never-seen/)

Oooh, don't be such a tease!  Tell the consequences never seen in history!  You can't throw that out there without some specifics...that just invites your hand getting called.

Ukraine imposing martial law, UN SecGen asks Russia to stop the attack, which is so cute.

Cruise missile sighting...

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496708579952369665 (https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1496708579952369665)

...heading?

https://breaking911.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/iMKln9VAyAkTPBJz.mp4?_=1 (https://breaking911.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/iMKln9VAyAkTPBJz.mp4?_=1)

Fire and smoke at sunrise...probably not going to be a nice day...

De-militarization and de-nazification?   ::laughonfloor::  The massive military might of Russia compared to little Ukraine and Ukraine needs to be de-militarized?  That's rich.  And did we warp back into WWII?  If I recall if not for the American/British/Canadian second front in Europe we would have had to de-nazify your asses too.  Nazi's...he's just throwing that slur in like he's a Western Marxist.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2022/02/23/putin-special-military-operation-demilitarization-denazification-ukraine/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2022/02/23/putin-special-military-operation-demilitarization-denazification-ukraine/)

Basically, the bully says he's scared and he's riding to the rescue of all...

That preeminent Slavic master gene is terminal.

Or as I summarize it - might makes right.  He wants more if not all of Ukraine, and he's on the march to take it...and the US and the Euro's are hamstrung to do much about it unless they want to expend blood and widen the conflict.  And basically since the populations of both are captive to statist globalist forces the people themselves are powerless to stop their masters from doing anything.

Ukraine poses no security risk to America, only the Euro's.  If we were smart, and our occupation government is far far from that, we would be seizing Cuba and any other territory deemed in our sphere...but FJB et al will likely just want this to be the distraction they need to cover more repression at home and we are left hoping they won't crash the nation or the world.

Meanwhile...

Stinger's via Latvia have arrived in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-shipments-stinger-missiles-arrive-ukraine-gift-latvia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-shipments-stinger-missiles-arrive-ukraine-gift-latvia)

Reckon some shots of smoldering Russian armor will be available soon to boost morale in Ukraine...but by themselves the end is inevitable.

And sanctions on Russia now include SWIFT...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/separatist-leaders-issue-formal-request-russian-army-repel-ukrainian-aggression (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/separatist-leaders-issue-formal-request-russian-army-repel-ukrainian-aggression)

...so we'll have to see how that plays out.

Explosions heard near Kyiv probably means some activity north from along Belarus border...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496684405519171585 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496684405519171585)

The ChiCom's are putting a heavy hand on messaging the invasion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-state-media-accidentally-releases-censorship-rules-russia-ukraine-coverage (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-state-media-accidentally-releases-censorship-rules-russia-ukraine-coverage)

Yeah, have fine on your tight-rope you red devils!   ::hysterical::

In conclusion...how can we not end with humor?

“I don’t think he’s monitoring, I think he is probably sleeping right now,” said Trump.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hes-probably-sleeping-right-now-trump-slams-bidens-slow-response-russian-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hes-probably-sleeping-right-now-trump-slams-bidens-slow-response-russian-attack)

Heh.

Bit it's masters schemes we have to be concerned about.  Oops, sorry...ruined the humor a bit, my bad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2022, 11:10:15 AM
Some civilians closer to air-to-ground attacks than they were expecting...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496855703172091906 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496855703172091906)

Airports are areas of interest to hit...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496809143738507264 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496809143738507264)

Gotta learn to deplete their counter-measures...then hit them...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496806739886641161 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496806739886641161)

Chute deployment captured...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496829736865386498 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496829736865386498)

Belarussian K-52 downed...one prisoner captured...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496814734426968066 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496814734426968066)

Russians capture a hydro-electric plant...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496803366420287492 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496803366420287492)

Damage at one airport...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1496836592832434182 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496836592832434182)

Fears of radioactive dust being kicked up by invasion activity around Chernobyl...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putins-shock-awe-war-ukraine-unfolds-dark-day-europe-many-hundreds-killed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putins-shock-awe-war-ukraine-unfolds-dark-day-europe-many-hundreds-killed)

And things may get sporty much further east...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18930.msg195638.html#msg195638 (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18930.msg195638.html#msg195638)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2022, 12:11:49 PM
Meanwhile, back in Clown Town -

DeepState Marxist Muppets look and sound like utter imbeciles...

Marxist House Dictatorette mistakes Ukraine for Hungary - https://youtu.be/zrRPUPP970s (https://youtu.be/zrRPUPP970s)  & https://youtu.be/YH7Qp7dctv8 (https://youtu.be/YH7Qp7dctv8)

Mental illness of the ideological-rot and alcohol-induced dementia variety is hideous to watch...and in a high official as dangerous as it is stupid...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/33a3e8f4fad56884359d481d6ff36154b15121390f42157249ff868719672571.jpg)
H/T-WZ

Bride of Chuckie Jen Psucki - https://youtu.be/DDAZGXShCDw (https://youtu.be/DDAZGXShCDw)

Worked!   ::laughonfloor::

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/da88c2e33d51efc28bfa77668316f467ad7f773db74e1ed4d236621dc9a6e6fb.jpg)

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H/T - WZ

And it appears the woke military is incapable of dealing with a few Russian ships...ships I pointed out days ago were in the Med/Black Sea area and drawing on a few more from it's Northern Fleet...

Three Russian guided-missile cruisers have been arrayed across the Black Sea and the Mediterranean Sea to counter three NATO carrier strike groups, causing concern in the Pentagon, a U.S. defense official told USNI News on Tuesday.
https://www.weaselzippers.us/479562-russian-navy-cruisers-positioned-to-counter-america-italian-french-groups/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479562-russian-navy-cruisers-positioned-to-counter-america-italian-french-groups/)

A total surprise, eh?   :o

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3c523a6b43482252372804cb472399e11ca2e9f97a1a28b43c7377228eacb29e.png)
H/T-WZ

OK, let's take a break for a little quiz...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8acbcb1b5a01da07ef095e1e7866cc084739e191ae89ef69d063975dd5133292.jpg)
H/T-WZ

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It's a section of Minneapolis after the Marxist sanctioned Summer-Of-Hate riots by anarchists and racist terrorists.

Moving on...

Action in Melitpol - https://twitter.com/i/status/1496830739035439109 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1496830739035439109)

looks like some Russian prisoners are in hand - https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496818728016793604 (https://twitter.com/ThomasVLinge/status/1496818728016793604)

Hopefully Russians are not mistreating civilians or their prisoners...else such lads fate may be grim.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 24, 2022, 07:21:02 PM

Sorry no direct link
https://sovren.media/video/putin-s-two-demands-829.html
Russia has made two demands of the government of Ukraine in order to immediately end its military incursion. The first is that Ukraine become neutral and not an agent of NATO and secondly that Ukraine not allow foreign and western weapons to be placed on its territory.

on edit
This might be months old.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2022, 08:56:36 AM
Same as ZH reports and elsewhere...ultimatum to be Russia's unarmed unaffiliated (except with Russia) bitch for perpetuity or be subject more more raping, pillaging and murder...blah, blah, blah...

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-ukraine-surrender-terms/2022/02/24/id/1058378/ (https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/russia-ukraine-surrender-terms/2022/02/24/id/1058378/)

And, while the gun is at Zelensky's head...pretty sure "neutral" Ukraine (snort!) will shoot to the top of this chart at 100%...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26768.jpeg)

...after all, you don't just rape your neighbor, you make them pay for the pleasure.

Yeah, well...me, I'm not built to live on my knees for any effing despot...I'd be like those soldiers in the island in the Black Sea yesterday who when told by a Russian warship to surrender told the Russian bastard to "go f**k themselves"!  They were butchered, but they died free.  And I hear that fat Quisling Poroshenko was sighted inside Ukraine...too bad nobody gutted that loser...no doubt Puti's plan is if Zelensky goes to Minsk and tells the Russians to screw themselves he gets a bullet in the head and the low-blow insult of reinstalling that fat Quisling bastard will go forward.  Yeah, no...I'd go underground...emerging only to slay as many Russians and Quislings I could get to.

Anyway, America wake up and take Cuba or somewhere else yet?  No?  Pussies!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2022, 11:10:17 AM
As usual better coverage outside America...

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/02/25/06/54635311-10549113-image-a-212_1645770681974.jpg)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549113/Kiev-fall-weekend-troops-encircle-capital-taking-Chernobyl-despite-EU-sanctions.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549113/Kiev-fall-weekend-troops-encircle-capital-taking-Chernobyl-despite-EU-sanctions.html)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10547573/Ukraine-strikes-Kievs-troops-shoot-five-helicopters-Putins-forces-losses.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10547573/Ukraine-strikes-Kievs-troops-shoot-five-helicopters-Putins-forces-losses.html)

Anonymous claims to be waging cyber war on Russia, brought down RT channel...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549849/Hacking-collective-Anonymous-declares-cyber-war-against-Vladimir-Putins-government.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549849/Hacking-collective-Anonymous-declares-cyber-war-against-Vladimir-Putins-government.html)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2022, 12:17:15 PM
https://youtu.be/MHXuHpaEwgE (https://youtu.be/MHXuHpaEwgE)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a8d66ef60165cd026785ed54e6e779fd9351aa32b8f7f57592ecc1c32811d14.jpg)

(https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Screenshot-2022-02-25-041328-768x634.png)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a3f456c911bca9caeb9d10efc3beee038a8435377bdc61de94030c22fef4b28.jpg)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e4554c97db5a1b5fc77e7984116047845b1a85de67dbbf14e5453c7504805ceb.gif)

As for this...

https://twitter.com/UncleChaps/status/1496887391348531200 (https://twitter.com/UncleChaps/status/1496887391348531200)

 ::clapping::


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2022, 02:59:56 PM
Must be a game of who is dumber in the West...dementia-riddled corrupt perv in the White House or a slew of Eurotards...

(Update 13:02pm ET): NATO Chief Stoltenberg said on Friday that NATO members would provide more weapons and air defense systems to Ukraine, according to the Wall Street Journal's Anthony DeRosa.

After some confusion, BILD journalist Julian Röpcke clarifies that Stoltenberg did not say NATO would be providing the weapons - rather, individual NATO members would do so on their own accord.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-surge-russia-ukraine-talks-headlines (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stocks-surge-russia-ukraine-talks-headlines)

Perfect timing...for Putin's bandits to get them...just like the Taliwhackers in Ashkhanistan...   ::bus::

And it appears woke POS may have tipped off Russians by blabbing to his ChiCom pals about what US intel showed the Rus were staging...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/general-milley-involved-biden-regime-shared-secret-info-russian-build-ukrainian-border-chi-coms-immediately-shared-putin/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/general-milley-involved-biden-regime-shared-secret-info-russian-build-ukrainian-border-chi-coms-immediately-shared-putin/)

...probably screwed out of another treason trial here too, eh?

And this...

Meanwhile, Stoltenberg also said that cyberattacks on NATO members might be enough to trigger "Article 5," which considers an attack against one ally as an attack against all allies.

...may have been a hard sell...before this latest threat...

(Update 12:45pm ET): Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday threatened Sweden and Finland with "military consequences" if they were to join NATO.

...yeah, he got a stiffy for more slaughter...and slaughter seems to be foremost on his mind...after Zelensky suggested a negotiation in Warsaw instead of Minsk (yeah, Minsk...might as well have been in the Kremlin...easy march to the Lubyanka and swift firing squad...)...

The Baltics ought to be manning their ramparts, same for Poland and all the rest of the central nations on down through Romania.  I think these lunatics are actually wanting a world war.

And I don't doubt Zelensky's claims that assassins are on the hunt for him and others in his government...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-defensive-says-mayor-russian-forces-enter-outskirts-putin-calls-surrender (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-defensive-says-mayor-russian-forces-enter-outskirts-putin-calls-surrender)

...all the live-feeds in Ukraine are offline...

Latest I can find -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550583/Ukraine-war-Battle-Kyiv-begins-war-enters-hardest-day.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10550583/Ukraine-war-Battle-Kyiv-begins-war-enters-hardest-day.html)

Threatening MOAB...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html)

...how nice, with self-appointed masters of Slavs like this...who needs any other enemy?

Massing in Belarus for the closing ceremonies...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10552743/Furious-Putin-prepares-use-father-bombs-brave-Ukrainians-hold-advance.html)

...the general orders to rape pillage loot and kill must be in full fury...and they don't want any of it captured on video or reported on.

Too bad Trump not in still...perhaps animals still in their own pens and not molesting others...

After saying that he “got along great” with Putin and “respected” him, Goodwin drew attention to other comments Trump reportedly made to the Russian president.

“If you move against Ukraine while I’m president,” Trump allegedly stated, “I will hit Moscow.”

After Putin scoffed and said, “No way!” Trump responded, “All those beautiful golden turrets will be blown up.”

During Chinese President Xi Jinping’s visit to Mar-a-Lago in 2017, Trump also apparently warned Xi that, “any military move against Taiwan would be met with an attack on Beijing,” a remark that left Xi stunned.

“While it is also possible that both accounts are exaggerated, it is a fact that neither man made the moves Trump is said to have warned against,” notes Goodwin.
https://summit.news/2022/02/25/journalist-trump-threatened-to-bomb-moscow-if-russia-attacked-ukraine/ (https://summit.news/2022/02/25/journalist-trump-threatened-to-bomb-moscow-if-russia-attacked-ukraine/)

Well, all Clown Town can do is dick everything up and dick us over back here...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 25, 2022, 07:20:51 PM
The gas chart above is kinda funny. It says Ukraine gets 0% of its gas from Russia and gets it from EU instead.
Ukraine get the gas from the Russian pipeline to Germany and pays EU for removing it and they call it "reverse flow" which is not a real thing.

IMO the US govt might have egged Zelensky on only to dump him at the last minute.

Why take Chernobyl? Maybe to prevent the Ukrainians from taking it first since no one can/should bomb it?

I am surprised the Russians would even try to take Kiev. I expect them to knock out military bases and airports that could used by Ukraine. Then sit and wait.

I  have long heard that Zelensky has more to fear from the Western Ukraine military and militias there than from anyone else. The militias are embedded with the regular military. I read for a long time that if he got too friendly with the Russians he would get a bullet in the head.

UK banned Russian airline flights so Russia banned over UK flights which screws UK big time. No easy way to Asia now.

So far Russia has left power, water, sewer, and communications lines alone.

The Duran said that the heavy shelling of the East was enough to bring the Russians in as they said long ago. Then Zelensky said he wanted nukes AND none of the western countries at the meeting told him to STFU. A huge mistake.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2022, 11:38:54 AM
The politics around this is muddled and that's expected for all of the clowns...every one is like a spoiled child wanting everything their way.

Well, whatever. 

It looks like the decision to send in the JV team - separatists with ancient Soviet crap and B-squad Russian units was able to break in at great cost and roll in the middle but are having a harder time now.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-it-derailed-russian-attack-plan-kiev-offensive-resumes (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-it-derailed-russian-attack-plan-kiev-offensive-resumes)

I was watching what live feeds I could, can catch some activity...interestingly, while they might be keeping grids up...it took them a while but as they finally started noticing the private webcams about the country they started trashing them...

And they don't appear to be using many "smart" bombs or if they are they must be targeting residential areas or just suck at it...

Some apparently get off on it...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1497227246691516418 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1497227246691516418)

...miraculously I think they said the driver survived.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10553451/They-storm-tonight-Zelensky-says-Putins-forces-launch-scale-assault-Kyiv.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10553451/They-storm-tonight-Zelensky-says-Putins-forces-launch-scale-assault-Kyiv.html)

And DeepState totally misread Zelensky...he resisted their script and was seeking his own, and now he is relishing shaming their faces in it like rubbing a naughty dogs face in his turd on the carpet...and he is still resisting their BS! -

He knows only he can speak for his people, not agenda-driven losers thousands of miles away...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/ukraine-and-russia-officials-negotiating-a-meeting-biden-administration-tells-zelenskyy-to-stop-only-u-s-permitted-to-negotiate-with-russia/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/ukraine-and-russia-officials-negotiating-a-meeting-biden-administration-tells-zelenskyy-to-stop-only-u-s-permitted-to-negotiate-with-russia/)

...and how pathetic is it that the US DeepState is throwing the Mahdi Death Cult appeasement into the mix...Zelensky needs to keep control of the military and diplomatic initiatives!

And this typical chicken-sh*t ploy to get him to abandon his nation and people is beneath all dignity....

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy turned down an offer from the United States to evacuate Kyiv, the capital city, the Associated Press reported late Friday.

“The fight is here’ I need ammunition, not a ride,” the president reportedly told American officials.

https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/i-need-ammo-not-a-ride-ukraines-president-rejects-us-evacuation-offer/ (https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/i-need-ammo-not-a-ride-ukraines-president-rejects-us-evacuation-offer/)

They would like nothing better than to have a puppet leader-in-exile to speak through and milk the suffering of innocents to the last drop...and Zelensky wisely told them to eff off.

I have no problem giving them military and humanitarian aid and let them fight for their survival, doesn't require our boots on ground, sea or air...apart from merely being the delivery boy.

They fighting for themselves, let them.  I'd want the same were the situation reversed.  Anybody professing to be free and independent would.

Meanwhile...the supposed Russia-haters are letting their allies in BigBroTech keep offical Russia propaganda to roam free in the etherverse while de-platform American voices!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/big-tech-allows-russian-propaganda-de-platform-pro-american-voices/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/big-tech-allows-russian-propaganda-de-platform-pro-american-voices/)

Gosh, sure looks like they've chosen the Russian government side, eh?   JoeFraud's shutdown of domestic pumping, piping and exploration has us buying foreign oil...even (gasp!) Russian oil!
 ::pokeineye::

And Czar Vlad is cracking down on anti-war protestors like a Western imperialist dog...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26931.jpeg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anti-war-protests-break-out-russian-cities-many-shocked-scale-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anti-war-protests-break-out-russian-cities-many-shocked-scale-ukraine-war)

Too bad Putin still has Navalny locked up...he exposed corruption in Russia like an American cross version of James O'Keefe and Rush Limbaugh.  Apparently he has condemned the invasion of Ukraine.  Funny, how no matter the geographic location...despots hate any kind of opposition and will use any means necessary to crush it.  Here, there, everywhere...all sh!t!

And the DeepState isn't even denying it fed info to the Russians via contacts with CCP in a idiotic attempt to dissuade Russia!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/new-york-times-reports-u-s-intel-agencies-spent-three-months-seeding-information-into-russia-through-china/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/25/new-york-times-reports-u-s-intel-agencies-spent-three-months-seeding-information-into-russia-through-china/)

Only and imbecile or a conspirator thinks this was a good idea!

And so sad too bad our 2020 election was corrupt as all Hell...

Biden, 2019: "Imagine what can happen in Ukraine" if Trump is reelected. (https://granitegrok.com/blog/2022/02/joe-biden-in-2019-imagine-what-could-happen-in-ukraine-if-trump-is-president)

Yeah...

62 percent of respondents believe that Putin would not have invaded Ukraine if Trump was still president...59 percent also responded that they believe Putin made such a move because he saw a weakness in President Joe Biden. (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/rebeccadowns/2022/02/26/poll-majority-believe-putin-would-have-known-better-than-to-invade-ukraine-if-trump-was-president-n2603822)


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2022, 03:20:13 PM
Russians bringing a sh*tload more tanks from Kharkiv.

And fighting on opposite side of river in Kyiv...

https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1497632664362311685

Russian artillery has hit a children's cancer hospital in Kyiv. 

Gonna need a ton more of these...

https://twitter.com/not_a_pog/status/1497617533351960576

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 26, 2022, 04:35:28 PM
The Duran have some sources included some guy who lives in Ukraine but made a business trip to Kiev and got stuck in a hotel.
They report that the Russians are mostly encircling big cities then waiting.
So far infrastructure remains working. Electrical, water, sewage, internet, cell phones.

Some reports that the Ukrainians are using the weapons handed out to settle old grievances amongst each other.

History of the North Crimean Canal blocking. 2014.
https://youtu.be/yE0OLBlCMcU

10 min summary. Videos. The US misled Ukraine into thinking they could enter NATO then abandoned them.

Here or elsewhere? Zelensky screwed up by threatening to obtain nukes. Idiot.
That and the increased shelling are the 2 reasons why Russia invaded Thursday.

https://rumble.com/vvufbo-nato-expansion-meets-russian-bear-and-protests-in-russia.html

Around 1:14:00 he talks about Putin's Feb 24 "Empire of Lies Speech", in which he attacks the US as decadent and degenerate. Putin is attacking wokism. That is why so many leftists in the US and West hate him.

https://youtu.be/3H6vffCdQpk?t=4444

I had styxhexenhammer666 on via roku rumble. He said Turkey closed the Bosporus straights to the black sea to Russian warships. Erdogan plays 3D chess while on LSD.

I had the Duran on. They said that the Russians confirmed that Zelensky's remarks in Munich saying he wanted nukes (or would get nukes?) coupled with lack of push back from other attendees triggered the Russians to attack immediately. He said the others even applauded.

They said that more countries are getting go board disconnecting Russia from SWIFT.
This would lead to the end of the USD as the world reserve currency and would be terrible for the US and very stupid. Russia would then require payment in other currencies and people would sell dollars and treasuries to obtain other currencies.

They are agreed that Zelensky was cruel in giving out weapons to citizens and maybe trying to get them killed for public propaganda purposes.

https://youtu.be/k-ClabtQngM
Military engineers of the Black Sea Fleet destroy dam on the North Crimean Canal which has been cutting off water supply to Crimea since being built by Ukrainian nationalists in 2014. There was no damage to the canal itself.

This guest mentions Putin's recent Empire of Lies speech at 2:25:00
This guy lives in Ukraine but was visiting Kiev when the Russians invaded and got stuck their.

https://youtu.be/APcb-Yyy7Aw?t=8676
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 26, 2022, 04:42:54 PM


I watched a clip of Russian anti war protesters being arrested. I noticed how civilized the police were in comparison to the recent Canadian and Australian police. If you live long enough you see everything. I hope the US is not stupid enough to disconnect Russia from SWIFT. Say goodbye to the USD being the world reserve currency.

The US backed the 2014 Ukraine coup leading to the present mess just to stop a trade deal with Russia.
Then the US govt spurned Russia leading to them getting into bed with China.
I doubt those were the goals. Morons.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2022, 11:21:30 AM


I watched a clip of Russian anti war protesters being arrested. I noticed how civilized the police were in comparison to the recent Canadian and Australian police. If you live long enough you see everything. I hope the US is not stupid enough to disconnect Russia from SWIFT. Say goodbye to the USD being the world reserve currency.

The US backed the 2014 Ukraine coup leading to the present mess just to stop a trade deal with Russia.
Then the US govt spurned Russia leading to them getting into bed with China.
I doubt those were the goals. Morons.

Well gosh, gentle arrests are swell...but political opposition is not tolerated...a fair trade?   ::whatgives::

They/Them, in their infinite cowardice and stupidity which is always tugging them/they in different directions...are trying to split the baby...

(Update 5:10pm ET): In the latest major escalation, late on Saturday European nations together with the US have issued a joint statement in which they announce the following restrictive economic measuresthings:

Commit to ensuring that "selected Russian banks" are removed from the SWIFT messaging system: "This will ensure that these banks are disconnected from the international financial system and harm their ability to operate globally."
Commit to imposing "restrictive measures that will prevent the Russian Central Bank from deploying its international reserves in ways that undermine the impact of our sanctions."
Commit to "acting against the people and entities who facilitate the war in Ukraine" by taking measures to limit the sale of citizenship, so called golden passports, that let wealthy Russians connected to the Russian government become citizens
Commit to launching "a transatlantic task force that will ensure the effective implementation of our financial sanctions by identifying and freezing the assets of sanctioned individuals and companies that exist within our jurisdictions."
Stepping up or coordination against disinformation and other forms of hybrid warfare.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/devastating-move-us-weighs-sanctions-russias-central-bank-germany-backs-targeted (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/devastating-move-us-weighs-sanctions-russias-central-bank-germany-backs-targeted)

The immediate effect may be people pulling out of these banks...and we'll see if Putin lets them...or expends internal resources that will paste it over until China gleefully comes to the rescue and make Russia indebted to it for decades to come.  Because if Putin & the Oligarchs eff the people over...they'll have millions of pissed off people on their hands and anarchy.

And you are oversimplifying 2014 as a mere "trade deal"...such deals with Russia give them extortion power over the flow of energy...it is not just about gas and oil...it's about making a vassal of another nation...it's what Ukraine and all the pipelines in Europe to the Middle East are about...power and control.  East vs West...with those caught in the middle like Ukraine always guaranteed to piss the other off because they are not allowed the third option of true independence.

And the US did not spurn Russia...the DeepState spurned Russia on behalf of their globalist co-conspirators and the politicians grifting off the spoils...We the People are as fvcked as the Ukrainians...it's just nobody is shooting us...yet.  And Russia chose China long before the DeepState spurned them...they've never gotten over losing the Cold War and losing the spoils gained from WWII...instead of being relieved to be free of the poison of Communism they embraced the Mobocracy of Oligarchy...and they probably blame the US for that choice as well...when in fact back when they fell I told people "let's see if they can properly shake off their shackles and reject new ones and embrace freedom...or the decision to not move in and occupy them through the transfer may be looked back on as a mistake".  Think they'll be hands off if we collapse?  I doubt it, all will come for the spoils.

And given recent news that the invasion of Ukraine is bogging down due to stiff resistance...concerns over their logistics and inventory are increasing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-slowed-strong-ukrainian-resistance-officials-say (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-slowed-strong-ukrainian-resistance-officials-say)

Zelensky offers a meeting without preconditions...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-president-agrees-hold-talks-without-preconditions-russia-belarus-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-president-agrees-hold-talks-without-preconditions-russia-belarus-border)

...no Russian response except more shelling.

Musk asked to provide StarLink service...delivered in 10 hours...

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/02/ukraines-vice-pm-asks-elon-musk-to-deliver-starlink-internet-musk-gets-it-going-in-10-hours/ (https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/02/ukraines-vice-pm-asks-elon-musk-to-deliver-starlink-internet-musk-gets-it-going-in-10-hours/)

And if this part is true: Evidence Suggests U.S. Intel Baited Russia in December by Telling China Ukraine Was Coming Into NATO

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/26/stunning-discovery-evidence-suggests-u-s-intel-baited-russia-in-december-by-telling-china-ukraine-was-coming-into-nato/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/26/stunning-discovery-evidence-suggests-u-s-intel-baited-russia-in-december-by-telling-china-ukraine-was-coming-into-nato/)

...which puts the blame squarely in DeepState/DemCom/Globalist hands...and given the following news, I guess their incompetent reading of The Strong Man of Russia and the mental/historical baggage that comes with it puts the world at peril...

And now apparently "strong words" is sufficient cause to put Russia's nuclear forces on their version of DefCon1...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/breaking-video-putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/breaking-video-putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert/)

...anybody thinking that is a good idea or that the US and other nuclear powers won't respond in-kind may be terminally insane.

(US) Defense Department official refused to say if the US nuclear posture has changed.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-orders-nuclear-deterrence-high-alert-nato-warns-unacceptable-escalation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-orders-nuclear-deterrence-high-alert-nato-warns-unacceptable-escalation)

Welcome to 1962 redux.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2022, 12:29:46 PM

The EU deals come with their own problems. Hungary and Poland are having funds with held for not kissing EU butts.
I recall Poland chose their judges in a way that upset the EU top brass. Hungary?
Countries that are in the Eurozone (whatever that means) can get screwed big time.
 Alex on the Duran still remembers when the EU froze bank accounts in Cyprus and took out funds as a bank "bail in."

The Duran says that the threat to freeze funds of the Russian central bank is a huge deal. Bigger than the partial SWIFT sanctions. They say this is the beginning of the end of the USD and the reserve currency as countries have to find work arounds. Also Russian exports are not ended. China is a winner in this.

Russia is restricting  over flights in response to sanctions on Russian airlines which screws EU and UK airlines flying to China and SE Asia.

Duran reports that EU is restricting RT and Sputnik news. Meanwhile, Russia allows open internet and cell service in Ukraine to reduce panic.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2022, 12:42:14 PM
It appears the banking crisis has begun...

https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1497855075166871554

https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1497889119917297665

Belarus hackers messing with transportation in Belarus...

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1497951707023695874

And news that the financial director of Gazprom killed himself...

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1497772957908848649

And this is disturbing...Russia deploying fuel-air weapons (thermobarics) in Ukraine?  I heard chatter of this earlier...such systems are non-nuclear WMD's...

https://twitter.com/darksecretplace/status/1497701241148768258

It does look like a TOS-1 Buratino type system...thermobarics create an "overpressure" blast...they are devastating.

Far as anyone knows they've only been used on Afghans back in the Soviet invasion there...that they seem fine using it on brother Slavs speaks volumes.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2022, 12:50:01 PM

The EU deals come with their own problems. Hungary and Poland are having funds with held for not kissing EU butts.
I recall Poland chose their judges in a way that upset the EU top brass. Hungary?
Countries that are in the Eurozone (whatever that means) can get screwed big time.
 Alex on the Duran still remembers when the EU froze bank accounts in Cyprus and took out funds as a bank "bail in."

The Duran says that the threat to freeze funds of the Russian central bank is a huge deal. Bigger than the partial SWIFT sanctions. They say this is the beginning of the end of the USD and the reserve currency as countries have to find work arounds. Also Russian exports are not ended. China is a winner in this.

Russia is restricting  over flights in response to sanctions on Russian airlines which screws EU and UK airlines flying to China and SE Asia.

Duran reports that EU is restricting RT and Sputnik news. Meanwhile, Russia allows open internet and cell service in Ukraine to reduce panic.

Normal business practices anywhere...and mild compared to some...

Then everyone is happy I reckon...

Heh, could be a win in disguise.

Well, sure...control info at home...monitor traffic in-theater (and knock out some private webcams monitoring movements)...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2022, 02:03:10 PM
From the duran mostly

Their guest CRP inside the hotel in Kiev reports. Russians encounter some Ukraine soldiers, exchange fire, then withdraw and surround the cities. Karkov is surrounded and Kiev almost surrounded. People report to him via cell phones what they see outside their windows in Karkov and other places.

Ukrainians 18-60 are being conscripted, dragged out of cars and buses trying to leave Ukraine.

The Russian troops in the front lines are second tier with very old tanks. Also militias from the Eastern provinces. First tier held in reserve for now.

Overflying Russia saves lots of time and fuel. Sanctions against Russian airlines were retaliated with by banning overflights which hurts airlines big time. Don't these people think ahead?

Some docs on Ukraine I vaguely recall.
Good docs on Ukraine
https://rumble.com/vtjxhf-ukraine-on-fire-the-real-story-oliver-stone-2016.html
https://rumble.com/vvygeb-revealing-ukraine-investigations-into-the-crisis-following-ukraine-on-fire.html

Zelensky is handing out weapons to civilians. Maybe you need Telegram to view this. Video

https://t.me/realCRP/3350

https://youtu.be/1qS6J-WbTD8

Vladimir Putin's Speech on Ukraine and US Foreign Policy and NATO - 24 February 2022, ENG Subtitles
"Empire of Lies"
748,132 views
Feb 24, 2022
Michael Rossi Poli Sci
13.2K subscribers
Address by  President Vladimir Putin of the Russian Federation on the Military Intervention in Ukraine; a Critique of U.S. - led foreign policy in Yugoslavia/Serbia, Libya, Syria, and Iraq; and the goals of the Russian Federation in Ukraine

Alexander says he just got a notice that his energy rates in London will increase 54% in April, the max cap allowed. Perhaps another 54% in 6 months as max allowed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2022, 02:36:28 PM
Humor clip.

https://rumble.com/vvx9kx-biden-v-putin.html
BIDEN V PUTIN
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2022, 09:21:54 AM
As always everything morons do here is half-assed and hurting us more than them...with some exceptions...

This, however is insane - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/still-buying-crude-oil-putin-wiring-money-every-day-american-billionaire-john-catsimatidis/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/still-buying-crude-oil-putin-wiring-money-every-day-american-billionaire-john-catsimatidis/)

This may explain in part why the Chechen Orcs are turning tail and running back home...

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/02/27/ukraine-national-guard-shares-video-of-fighters-greasing-bullets-in-pig-fat-for-chechen-orcs/ (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2022/02/27/ukraine-national-guard-shares-video-of-fighters-greasing-bullets-in-pig-fat-for-chechen-orcs/)

 ::whoohoo::

Yeah, using your Muslim vassals....brilliant...defeated by pig lard!   ::hysterical::

Rus kill AN-225...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-destroy-worlds-largest-aircraft-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-destroy-worlds-largest-aircraft-ukraine)

https://youtu.be/XwJgd-zE4L4 (https://youtu.be/XwJgd-zE4L4)

Meanwhile, some Oligarchs PO'd...forget the guys name...but he's pissed he's lost access to his luxury villa in Italy somewhere...
...but to shore up the banks and the Ruble...they're offering the masses a 20% bribe to stay...but close their markets...putting liquidity into just one egg...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-more-doubles-interest-rate-20-halt-rouble-collapse-suspends-stock-trading-moscow (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-more-doubles-interest-rate-20-halt-rouble-collapse-suspends-stock-trading-moscow)

...now the clock starts for how long that can sustain before calling Xi...

And this mornings talks on the Ukraine-Belarus border see the Ukrainians disappointed at the low-level Russian delegation...probably the reason behind their demand to have Russia out of all of Ukraine...including the annexed territories...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-frustrated-low-level-russian-delegation-ceasefire-talks-kick-belarus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-frustrated-low-level-russian-delegation-ceasefire-talks-kick-belarus)

And in a confirmation of my reading of the Russian Mind (Self-appointed Ruler of all Slavs, fixated on butthurt of the Soviet collapse and loss of all their spoils to unjustified vassals yearning to be free) read this that was pulled down but wisely archived -

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/02/27/did-a-quickly-deleted-essay-in-russian-media-explain-what-vladimir-putin-wants-russia-to-gain-from-the-ukraine-invasion-n529150 (https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/02/27/did-a-quickly-deleted-essay-in-russian-media-explain-what-vladimir-putin-wants-russia-to-gain-from-the-ukraine-invasion-n529150)

...so batshyt-crazy they are threatening Sweden & Finland.  I tell ya, Sweden & Norway missing the boat on preeminence one-up's - their Viking ancestors created the Rus, they are their masters!  :D

And yeah, the Colonel is right, they shouldn't be censoring him and disparaging him...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/27/col-douglas-macgregor-has-a-slightly-different-take-on-russia-ukraine-conflict/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/27/col-douglas-macgregor-has-a-slightly-different-take-on-russia-ukraine-conflict/)

...the fighting is in the country more than the cities...where they've cut off the cameras and where little happens outside Russian control...and they are looking to be in siege-mode on the large cities...at some point I can see humanitarian air-drops of food and medicine...and we'll see if Russia shoots them down...

And yeah, it's a shame the rat-fink commie media here is totally missing the discovery of the Ukrainians of the merits of individual gun rights with their new Law #5708...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-left-ignoring-ukrainian-gun-rights (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/why-left-ignoring-ukrainian-gun-rights)

...the MarxistMedia is all well this is necessary because of invasion...but the reasons for individual gun rights is always necessary for a host of reasons!

In fact, civilians have been given RPGs as well!

The article shows this pic - (https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/more%20guns.jpg) - and it warms my heart...as did a video I saw of three young ladies with rifles hunkering down through a long night.

The Left's cognitive dissonance is palpable.

Self-defense is a God-given human right!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2022, 11:38:28 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/26/former-miss-grand-ukraine-joins-fight-against-russian-invasion/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/26/former-miss-grand-ukraine-joins-fight-against-russian-invasion/)

Well, that should boost morale...

 :D

And this dude...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479677-man-in-tractor-steals-broken-down-russian-tank-that-ran-out-of-gas/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479677-man-in-tractor-steals-broken-down-russian-tank-that-ran-out-of-gas/)

Dibs!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2022, 08:25:29 AM
https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/02/28/angry-ukrainian-exacts-revenge-on-russian-bosss-superyacht-and-theres-a-rest-of-the-story-at-play-n529404 (https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/02/28/angry-ukrainian-exacts-revenge-on-russian-bosss-superyacht-and-theres-a-rest-of-the-story-at-play-n529404)

Nice.  And nice of the Spaniards to let him go...  Another motivated recruit for the motherland.

And if Putin really let himself be baited by these idiots...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/28/former-russian-ambassador-and-current-cia-director-bill-burns-knew-exactly-what-would-trigger-vladimir-putin-to-enter-ukraine/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/02/28/former-russian-ambassador-and-current-cia-director-bill-burns-knew-exactly-what-would-trigger-vladimir-putin-to-enter-ukraine/)

...another stain on his reputed intellect.

That, and...thinking the Ukraine invasion would be a cake-walk and thinking the poor oppressed wretches of Ukraine would welcome the Rus Champions liberating them...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1498304340083318791 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1498304340083318791)

...yeah, they look thrilled. 

/

Pretty sure I recognized some...uhh, not nice words...

The mighty Russian Army...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/nytwarmap.png)

...slowed by a vastly over-matched opponent.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/570614_6_.jpg)

Could use some more Javelins...and just think what a few squadrons of A-10's could have done to their columns coming down from Belarus & up from occupied Crimea?

And this is disappointing...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/zelensky-says-putin-is-now-resorting-to-the-tactics-of-a-terrorist-in-ukraine-offensive-01646140085 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/zelensky-says-putin-is-now-resorting-to-the-tactics-of-a-terrorist-in-ukraine-offensive-01646140085)

...so much for America being the only bombers of schools and hospitals.

See where that EU applications goes...be nice if they took the lead and let us exit NATO and the continent!   :D

And what the heck is this?

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/putinmeasures.png)

Paranoid?  Or is there actually credible threats to him at home?

That'd be a new twist.

I guess we'll find out what the DeepState puppetmasters whispered into jello-head JoeFrauds ear...

(https://i.imgur.com/0KDXRM8l.jpg)

...and if it is suicidal for us...

(https://www.stormfax.com/EclipseGlassesWarning3.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2022, 12:02:41 PM
Using Turkish drones on Russian targets -

https://youtu.be/T7L4VK3JLms (https://youtu.be/T7L4VK3JLms)

Ouch.

Ukraine or not?

https://twitter.com/i/status/1498136122324447234 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1498136122324447234)

...sorry, no...Seattle. 

Moving on...

Update(10:53amET): Russia's military is urging civilians to leave areas near Ukrainian army bases and communications facilities in Kiev, warning that it is now conducting strikes against these specified targets.

"In order to suppress information attacks against Russia, the technological facilities of the SBU and the 72nd main PSO center in Kyiv will be hit with high-precision weapons," the Russian MoD statement said according to TASS. "We call on Ukrainian citizens attracted by Ukrainian nationalists to carry out provocations against Russia, as well as residents of Kyiv living near relay nodes leave their homes."

Based on widely circulating footage, it appears the invading Russian forces have begun to take out communications towers and antennas, as well as Ukrainian military infrastructure - also amid continuing reports that residential areas are increasingly under threat amid the siege of Kiev.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/miles-long-russian-infantry-tank-convoy-bears-down-kiev-next-ceasefire-talks-expected (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/miles-long-russian-infantry-tank-convoy-bears-down-kiev-next-ceasefire-talks-expected)

No sh!t?!  They've been using mortars, rockets and missiles in cities...and I'm not impressed with their aim.  So far, having a hard time finding info on where the thermobarics have been used...but, being thermobarics there is probably no surviving evidence to pass along.

Talks got nowhere...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/russia-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-end-with-no-agreement_4306941.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/russia-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-end-with-no-agreement_4306941.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

...big surprise...

Russia - Surrender unconditionally and submit to Russian rule.

Ukraine - Go eff yourself.

The End.

Speaking of The End...this fits...

https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2022/february/god-is-getting-ready-to-do-something-amazing-founder-pat-robertson-on-russia-and-its-place-in-prophecy (https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/2022/february/god-is-getting-ready-to-do-something-amazing-founder-pat-robertson-on-russia-and-its-place-in-prophecy)

...well, there is a warning in that book about adding or detracting...so I;ll abstain...

All I know is desperate Marxists and brain-dead NeoCon Cucks are foaming at the mouth to intervene directly...and as far as I know Putin has Russia's nuclear forces at top readiness...while algorithms mimicking our REMFs has us at a middling 3... (https://www.defconlevel.com) but when I went to rest last night a third E4B (doomsday plane) took to the air...hard finding them today...I know one landed in Lincoln, another been parked in Dayton.  Anyway, at just DefCon3 and there were 3 E4B's up last night?  WTF?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 01, 2022, 02:33:32 PM
Alexander of the Duran reports that 60 - 100K Kiev troops are almost encircled in the East. Maybe 1/3 of Ukrainian ground troops. The Russians call it the cauldron. He says that the East is important, not Kiev.

Most weapons from the west are going to Poland. Kiev is blowing up bridges? Even Greece is sending weapons to Ukraine.

He says the west is a firehouse of info and propaganda while Russia is silent. [EU-NATO v Russia proxy war developing. No-fly zone floated. Morning Update 1
Alex Christoforou Published March 1, 2022 ]\
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2022, 03:12:01 PM
The no-fly zone is being pushed by the WWIII craving asshats I mentioned earlier...they have no idea.  There is things nations could have done to shore up Ukrainian defenses...going back to last April (just a couple months after JoeFraud was installed and Putin did his exercises/buildup!)...that could have protected their independence (and just think what that could have achieved, they're doing a lot with a hell of a lot less!)...so either Ukranians are bad-ass soldiers, Russians not as great as made out...or a mix of both!...but nobody did nothing, now, a mad dash and batshyt-crazy desires to vaporize the planet...WHY?  They hate people, serfs actually...they want them subjugated...and Vlad wants the same for his reasons of lost grandeur, prestige...breathing space...yadda yadda yadda...mostly to suck Ukraine dry...

And he does want Kiev, he cannot seal his annexation and fulfill his promises to the rebels of the East without another Lukashenko installed as a loyal vassal.

Of course the West is a firehouse of propaganda...you familiar with SocialistMedia , MarxistMFM & BigBroTech axis of info evil?  East is easy to control, everything is tightly controlled at the official level...but not as hard to get info out of like Red China who is 100% batshyt-totalitarian...it's what Marxists here love best about the Red Devils!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 07:47:46 AM
After Ukraine - Moldova...

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2022/03/01/oops-belarus-leader-may-have-accidentally-revealed-the-next-country-on-putins-invasion-list-n530202

...after Moldova...
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.
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 10:02:53 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-athletics-council-bans-all-russian-belarusian-athletes-international-sporting (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-athletics-council-bans-all-russian-belarusian-athletes-international-sporting)

Bummer, dreams dashed...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 02, 2022, 11:25:22 AM
The no-fly zone is being pushed by the WWIII craving asshats I mentioned earlier...they have no idea.  There is things nations could have done to shore up Ukrainian defenses...going back to last April (just a couple months after JoeFraud was installed and Putin did his exercises/buildup!)...that could have protected their independence (and just think what that could have achieved, they're doing a lot with a hell of a lot less!)...so either Ukranians are bad-ass soldiers, Russians not as great as made out...or a mix of both!...but nobody did nothing, now, a mad dash and batshyt-crazy desires to vaporize the planet...WHY?  They hate people, serfs actually...they want them subjugated...and Vlad wants the same for his reasons of lost grandeur, prestige...breathing space...yadda yadda yadda...mostly to suck Ukraine dry...

And he does want Kiev, he cannot seal his annexation and fulfill his promises to the rebels of the East without another Lukashenko installed as a loyal vassal.

Of course the West is a firehouse of propaganda...you familiar with SocialistMedia , MarxistMFM & BigBroTech axis of info evil?  East is easy to control, everything is tightly controlled at the official level...but not as hard to get info out of like Red China who is 100% batshyt-totalitarian...it's what Marxists here love best about the Red Devils!

They are saying that Ukraine is winning the PR propaganda war and that Russia is not even trying and is not even releasing propaganda inside Russia. However they are said to be focusing on the military angle and are winning. So Ukraine is said to be bravely holding back the Russians while the Russians are winning. Once they encircle the Ukrainian troops and big cities they can wait it out.  The Russians entered some Chechen city too soon years ago and got surrounded and clobbered and they remember that so not this time.

Biden admin said that a no fly zone is NOT going to happen.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 11:56:11 AM
The no-fly zone is being pushed by the WWIII craving asshats I mentioned earlier...they have no idea.  There is things nations could have done to shore up Ukrainian defenses...going back to last April (just a couple months after JoeFraud was installed and Putin did his exercises/buildup!)...that could have protected their independence (and just think what that could have achieved, they're doing a lot with a hell of a lot less!)...so either Ukranians are bad-ass soldiers, Russians not as great as made out...or a mix of both!...but nobody did nothing, now, a mad dash and batshyt-crazy desires to vaporize the planet...WHY?  They hate people, serfs actually...they want them subjugated...and Vlad wants the same for his reasons of lost grandeur, prestige...breathing space...yadda yadda yadda...mostly to suck Ukraine dry...

And he does want Kiev, he cannot seal his annexation and fulfill his promises to the rebels of the East without another Lukashenko installed as a loyal vassal.

Of course the West is a firehouse of propaganda...you familiar with SocialistMedia , MarxistMFM & BigBroTech axis of info evil?  East is easy to control, everything is tightly controlled at the official level...but not as hard to get info out of like Red China who is 100% batshyt-totalitarian...it's what Marxists here love best about the Red Devils!

They are saying that Ukraine is winning the PR propaganda war and that Russia is not even trying and is not even releasing propaganda inside Russia. However they are said to be focusing on the military angle and are winning. So Ukraine is said to be bravely holding back the Russians while the Russians are winning. Once they encircle the Ukrainian troops and big cities they can wait it out.  The Russians entered some Chechen city too soon years ago and got surrounded and clobbered and they remember that so not this time.

Biden admin said that a no fly zone is NOT going to happen.

Yeah, this thing is still fluid...they have the major cities surrounded so it is a matter of do they want to try to starve them out then roll in or roll in when they feel like it...either way people in those cities will perish by the score...and Vlad will own it.  Regardless , if he and his pals think post-apocalyptic Ukraine is going to be a happy place for Russians and Russian-allies they're nuts...it could be a hotbed of partisan patriot insurgency for years if not decades and they'll lose the propaganda war no matter what and it's going to make EU/NATO move in harder to the other nations and ensure a permanent Cold War II (at best)...so, Putin gave our asshats back here everything they could have hoped for...

Looks like the textbook definition of a pyric victory...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 12:07:31 PM
In other news...

Russian Defense Ministry said it was butthurt over something UK FM said that led to their escalation in their nuclear posture to hair-trigger status...though they are unable to specify what exactly...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-raising-nuclear-alert-was-entirely-fault-uks-foreign-secretary (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-raising-nuclear-alert-was-entirely-fault-uks-foreign-secretary)

...comforting they are so thick skinned...

/

Meanwhile, life for Russian citizen gets more difficult...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/apple-google-payment-systems-block-russians-causing-chaos-moscow-metro-system (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/apple-google-payment-systems-block-russians-causing-chaos-moscow-metro-system)

Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal)

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/market-starting-fail-buyers-balk-buying-russian-oil-despite-record-discounts (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/market-starting-fail-buyers-balk-buying-russian-oil-despite-record-discounts)

https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/70-russian-crude-trade-frozen-surgut-again-fails-sell-any-urals-big-tenders (https://www.zerohedge.com/crypto/70-russian-crude-trade-frozen-surgut-again-fails-sell-any-urals-big-tenders)

...which will accelerate.

OPEC as always going with greed over need...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil-surges-super-backwardation-after-opec-sticks-production-plan-shuns-bidens-demands (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/oil-surges-super-backwardation-after-opec-sticks-production-plan-shuns-bidens-demands)

...that will never change, which Trump knew well and why he opened our production and exploration and distribution up.

And now the puppetmaster's are whispering into JoeFraud's ear...

Looking at sanctioning Russia energy now that corporations are doing it anyway -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out)

And the hypocritical clown is now begging domestic producers to produce more -

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/white-house-quietly-calls-us-oil-companies-increase-production (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/white-house-quietly-calls-us-oil-companies-increase-production)

...which if they were smart would not begin until he and his rabid puking-dogs in Congress repeal every shackle on the industry!!!

And I doubt more talks...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out)

...will accomplish squat.  At this point Ukraine is almost immaterial...the other nations not wanting to be next on the Bear's dinner plate will be sprinting into Western hands...looks like Russia blew open Pandora's Box and is getting exactly what is said it feared most.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 02, 2022, 12:09:47 PM
Opinion piece via vox day
https://voxday.net/2022/03/02/justified-and-necessary/
...
Ostensibly, following the Minsk agreements, there was a ceasefire. In reality, Donbass residents in villages bordering peace lines are incessantly subject to Ukrainian shelling. Ukraine uses heavy weapons in violation of the agreement, including 82mm and 120mm mortar shells, routinely shelling at night when Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) observers are not patrolling the area.
...
In the interim the country has become ZATOised, subjecting the Donbass region to endless blockades, rocket attacks and shelling. As recorded by the OECD on the day before Russia invaded Kiev fired over 1,500 shells on villages in Donetsk and Luganask…
...
But Ukrainian forces also shell during the day, and have done so a lot more of late, including allegedly with phosphorus, and shelling further behind the front lines.
...
One of these was the mayor of Gorlovka, a city northeast of Donetsk, who on his Telegram channel on February 19 detailed the nearby villages of Zaitsevo and Mine 6/7 being under heavy weapons fire (by Ukraine). On February 20, he wrote of Mine 6/7 and another village being heavily shelled since early morning, with locals saying more than one hundred hits occurred.
...
(https://social.infogalactic.com/images/posts/3ba0b215-2e40-48eb-bbc6-fcdd04c27858/original-3503daf523a087043c5d9f09a851290d.jpg?v=63813449971)

UKRAINE MAP DAY 6 – The Saker

video clip about the cauldron
https://youtu.be/vqSWv9OynUg?t=399
Military end game comes into focus. Biden SOTU, more about Russia than USA
13,472 views
Mar 2, 2022
Alex Christoforou
42K subscribers

Also he says the Russian advance is good compared to past wars.
https://voxday.net/2022/03/01/ukraine-invasion-a-comparative-analysis/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 12:19:19 PM
It's going to be a conflict zone for decades.

Hope Russia enjoys occupied Ukraine...they're not going to get anything else.

Anonymous cyber-attack has Russian Space Agency in knots...

https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4803987/anonymous-russia-space-agency-roscosmos/ (https://www.the-sun.com/tech/4803987/anonymous-russia-space-agency-roscosmos/)

...claims it has lost control over its spy satellites.

Russian officials seem perfectly fine with escalation...

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699089 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699089)

(https://1gc9741lqh8442dbqd2imlob-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/WW3-DEVASTATING-NUCLEAR-WAR.png)

I bet that threat backfires too...send other nations even faster into Western arms.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 02, 2022, 12:24:27 PM
In other news...
...
Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal)

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia)
 

Didn't the Germans blow up cooling towers? Now what.
Funny to see Germany change their minds on nuclear.


https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280 (https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280)
Watch Germany Blow up Two Nuclear Cooling Towers as Minister Says 'The Future Lies in Renewable Energies'
By Jason Murdock On 5/15/20 at 5:14 AM EDT
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 12:57:34 PM
In other news...
...
Germany embracing Nuclear...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/germany-weighs-extending-nuclear-plants-lifespans-major-russia-inspired-reversal)

...so the era of alternatives is engaged.

Everybody is looking for new dance partners...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/big-oil-turning-its-back-russia)
 

Didn't the Germans blow up cooling towers? Now what.
Funny to see Germany change their minds on nuclear.


https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280 (https://www.newsweek.com/europe-germany-philippsburg-nuclear-power-cooling-towers-demolition-explosion-video-1504280)
Watch Germany Blow up Two Nuclear Cooling Towers as Minister Says 'The Future Lies in Renewable Energies'
By Jason Murdock On 5/15/20 at 5:14 AM EDT

That was pre-Ukraine...this is post-Ukraine...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 01:05:28 PM
See this?

Jeez, we give JoeFraud a hard time about loving the basement...never thought bare-chested alpha-Slav would go that route with his kin...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479733-putin-allegedly-moves-his-family-to-underground-nuclear-war-proof-bunker-in-siberia/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479733-putin-allegedly-moves-his-family-to-underground-nuclear-war-proof-bunker-in-siberia/)

...since "authorities" in Moscow rousted him and denounce him as a crackpot...that isn't exactly the kind of news that invalidates the assertions...far as I know there has been no credible evidence to say it isn't true...which in the families case ought to be pretty easy...here's a film clip at XYZ...and another ABC...

Anyway, all I wanna know is where is his mistress stashed?  May be more than one but thought he had a favorite...dancer, signer...something like that...that's where Vlad will be near...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f113694611e5304a8d60877d7c57836f37f7e20d1c35e9c60b81b5163f9456a9.jpg)

...no, not her...not that I know of...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2022, 02:07:19 PM
And piggybacking on your "cauldron" guys...seems to jive with this Col Macgregor's analysis...so far he is one of the few Americans who appears to know his ass from a random hole in the ground...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4svTsmKlelU&feature=emb_rel_end (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4svTsmKlelU&feature=emb_rel_end)

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Ukraine-map-war-with-Russia.jpg)
H/T-CTH

...and I think he is accurate in Putin's goals going in and spot-on on his China angle...but I would dispute a few points:

1)  Putin cannot stay with his plan one way or another...if he stops after pounding the cities to ashes and retreats to the East of the Dnieper and holds the East, he is back to square one with the West...he just has more territory for a buffer.  Zelensky, or whoever ruling West Ukraine will not want to be invaded again...and for arguments sake say negotiations go Putin's way and a no-NATO pledge is signed...Western Ukraine would be stupid not to arm itself to the teeth no matter how deep in debt they would go...and also be stupid not to develop their own nuclear program.  Basically, Putin might have more buffer, but he would have an angry neighbor wanting payback one day.  If Putin realizes this then he would be forced to occupy all of Ukraine and be tied down there for perpetuity and it would become ground-zero for a proxy war with Russia through an active insurgency.  And economic sanctions under either would remain or get worse.

2)  Macgregor may be fundamentally correct on the relative military weakness (and certainly dependence on the US)...but NATO nations and non-NATO wanna-be members and the other Central European nations near Russia fear being the next meal and are arming up or moving to increase their defense spending...even without new NATO members the nations are all going to be arming up and possibly seeking nuclear status.  All Putin did was create sufficient fear to spur them to self-reliance and I do not see this abating once the initial Ukrainian action ratchets down a few notches.

3)  I am not at all convinced Putin has "baked in" all of the costs of this adventure.

I think we are realistically looking at years and perhaps decades of tension, reprisals and a continental arms race.

And hey, I welcome European nations arming up...the sooner the US can de-couple from the continent and they can stand up for themselves, the better!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 09:12:43 AM
Latest news....

Heard last night Kherson fell - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nearly-1-million-refugees-have-fled-ukraine-russia-warns-nato-stay-out)

Odessa & Mariupol seems next sourthern targets...and Kharkiv has been getting pummeled and not sure how much longer it can hold out...that it hasn't been captured yet is astounding to me.  Russian blew up Babyn Yar holocaust memorial too...Zelensky offered a sarcastic "congratultions".

Russian Oligarch's fleeing to the Indian Ocean - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/are-russian-oligarchs-fleeing-sea-maldives-biden-aims-seize-billions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/are-russian-oligarchs-fleeing-sea-maldives-biden-aims-seize-billions)

Nowhere is really "safe"...silly Oligarchs!   ::hysterical::

Refugees might want to reconsider being in Moldova - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-ukrainian-refugees-are-fleeing (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-ukrainian-refugees-are-fleeing)

Some chatter indicates it may be the next target of Russia.

AMMO, Inc giving 1M rounds - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prepared-move-quickly-us-ammo-company-donate-one-million-rounds-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prepared-move-quickly-us-ammo-company-donate-one-million-rounds-ukraine)

Best move quick.

Lot's of talk of a partitioning of Ukraine, maybe multiple partitionings...don't see Zelensky and the people liking that much.

Kiev taking hits last night...

https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/watch-massive-explosions-turn-darkness-to-light-in-kyiv/ (https://www.toddstarnes.com/military-2/watch-massive-explosions-turn-darkness-to-light-in-kyiv/)

...some could be thermobarics.

Anyway, back here in ClownWorld...

“Should Americans be worried about nuclear war?” Old Joe replied with a flat “No,” and experienced Biden watchers know what that means: start worrying.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/03/biden-says-dont-worry-about-nuclear-war-so-start-robert-spencer/ (https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2022/03/biden-says-dont-worry-about-nuclear-war-so-start-robert-spencer/)

Jello-headed puppet JoeFraud would be the last to know...well, before us people...so yeah...

(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/100/435/829/small/2a83e364825fbeaf.png)

 ::exitstageleft::

This is hilarious...Russian guy on TV says economy going to sh*t, quitting and going back to being a street Santa...

https://twitter.com/tjournal/status/1499300107837128704 (https://twitter.com/tjournal/status/1499300107837128704)

Hey, pal...our idiot no better...

(https://cdn.creators.com/1054/321105/321105_image.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 10:48:23 AM
FWIW - https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-699136 (https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-699136)

Without security council action it is only symbolic...about all I found interesting was this...

Five countries opposed the UN-backed resolution: Russia, Syria, North Korea, Eritrea and Belarus.

Nice friends...though many like Commie China, Cuba, Persian Mahdi Death Cultists abstained...while others like Venezuela didn't bother attending...

And why did those commie pussies abstain, only to blame the West anyway?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/after-deafening-silence-un-vote-china-blames-us-nato-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/after-deafening-silence-un-vote-china-blames-us-nato-ukraine-war)

Gutless clowns.

Couple that with Lavrov accusing the US of being like Napoleon and Nazi Germany and butthurt that Russian obsession with WWIII only being nuclear is raising concerns in the West...

Sounds like Kruschev banging his stinky shoe on a podium...

Hey, assclown...how about zipping the loose nuke talk?!

And the Unholy Macron sees talks going nowhere...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-says-prepare-worst-ukraine-after-disheartening-putin-call (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-says-prepare-worst-ukraine-after-disheartening-putin-call)

Also, who is mining the Black Sea?

https://shipandbunker.com/news/world/954987-estonian-cargo-ship-sinks-in-black-sea-after-explosion (https://shipandbunker.com/news/world/954987-estonian-cargo-ship-sinks-in-black-sea-after-explosion)

Russophiles blaming Ukraine trying to repel Russian landing craft...

 ::whatgives::

And in yet more confirmation that my reading of the fragile Russian psyche is spot on...

Also on Thursday the head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), Sergei Naryshkin, issued a series of bombshell statements which may reveal Moscow's broader aims in the war concerning how Russia's sees its ultimate security aims. Naryshkin said that "for us this is no longer a Cold War with the West but a hot war," according to Interfax. He said in the rare statement that "Russia now has a real chance to put an end to the war that has been waged in the Post-Soviet space for the past 30 years" - as also quoted in TASS.

And not just that...these guys are wagging the dog like Imperialist W Bush - WMD's, WMD's, WMD's!!!

The head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR), Sergei Naryshkin, has stated that the SVR had obtained intelligence showing that Ukraine was working on building its own nuclear weapons. Naryshkin stressed that President Volodymyr Zelensky's threats to abandon the Budapest Agreement were "not an empty promise".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-lay-siege-ukrainian-seaports-2nd-round-ceasefire-talks-start (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-forces-lay-siege-ukrainian-seaports-2nd-round-ceasefire-talks-start)

And cherry-picking Budapest for desert while never acknowledging the rest of the meal!  They really are looking like they are reverting to their Soviet ways!

OK, ??????...you want a Mulligan?  I'm starting to warm up to one...pledge a conventional-only engagement...name the place...let's everybody dance.  Otherwise, set your ?????? ass down and STFU.

Dear God they are gloomy needy bastards...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 03, 2022, 11:00:05 AM
A different point of view:

https://barnesreview.org/the-donbass-rebellion-and-the-political-idea-of-novorossiya/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 11:20:46 AM
It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 03, 2022, 11:58:55 AM
It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.

Libertas, how would you know that he didn't?  How could that become known what with the "Trump is Putin's puppet" BS going on for 3-4 years?  With all the WuFlu lies we've been fed for the same amount of time, how in the world can what we're being fed now - and FROM THE SAME SOURCES - about what's going on re:  Ukraine/Russia be taken as truth?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 03, 2022, 12:13:54 PM
I've been watching Telemundo for info. Can't understand a damn word but the pics and hand gyrations are better than anything on USA feeds
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 03, 2022, 12:14:20 PM
Funny video as usual from him.

https://rumble.com/vw8q9n-ukraine-and-russia-what-the-media-wants-you-to-think.html
Awaken With JP Published March 2, 2022
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 01:08:03 PM
It's all of the greediness of West and East, each sides Oligarchs pushing this...that they see military confrontation as a means to an end without considering the end could literally be The End they, whoever thinks they're the victor in this...will lord over only ashes.

And this...

Donald Trump seems to think that NATO is not needed and the US become friendlier to Moscow. That such a view is “controversial” continues to baffle many. NATO, among a few pother things, exists so as to ensure European countries need not spend very much on defense. The invention of a “Russian threat” out of whole cloth, however, suggests desperation and panic. On the other hand, the US, while footing the bill, gets to control a great degree of foreign policy decisions from DC.

How effing smart is Team Putin if they chose not to engage Trump proactively...instead seeing greater opportunity in being given a freer hand with a weak puppet...while ignoring the real powers behind the puppet?

In the end it confirms only one thing - might makes right.

Libertas, how would you know that he didn't?  How could that become known what with the "Trump is Putin's puppet" BS going on for 3-4 years?  With all the WuFlu lies we've been fed for the same amount of time, how in the world can what we're being fed now - and FROM THE SAME SOURCES - about what's going on re:  Ukraine/Russia be taken as truth?

I don't, and apparently nobody does...and how would we know and from whom if not "there"?  All we know for sure is under Obama/Biden Ukraine Eastern provinces go to crap and Crimea gets seized...nothing happened under Trump...now with JoeFraud an invasion in Europe not seen since WWII.

I can only divine truth-for-now based upon past experience and my own knowledge, same as anybody.

But to the heart of your question, if the above is not sufficient for someone...then there really is no answer, by anybody, is there?

It reminds me of the endless dances I had with the fevered Russophiles at ZeroHedge over the years...their source of truth is Putin, TASS, RT...is the West's any better?  No.  Pockets, it's all we have...a nugget here, a pebble there...most people know the biases people/outfits have...obvious BS is easily spotted (I didn't bother with the Ghost of Kiev crap, but Congressmorons here fell for it)...trying to tell people totally invested that their guy isn't any better than ours, they're government isn't any better than ours, that corruption greed and power drive most all...don't want to hear that.  Like anti-Trumpers...Trump is Hitler, Orange Man Bad...Putin is wise, 4D chessmaster...America sucks, Russia is free...America is Godless and immoral, Russia is Christian and pure...

Who believes that crap?

And, if there is no answer, no truth...it is also true that what we think or don't think doesn't matter...nobody making the decisions on anybody's side is listening...and why would they listen to nobody's?

I reckon the only people feeling good about their place in the world are the morons who've picked a leader/nation and follow in lock-step and shout down any attacks using the incendiary verbiage of latter day minions - hater, racist, imperialist, fascist,...

Hope I didn't go too deep down the rabbit hole...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 01:10:20 PM
I've been watching Telemundo for info. Can't understand a damn word but the pics and hand gyrations are better than anything on USA feeds

 ::hysterical::

Did ya see those Indian (dot) talking heads going off on each other...the one guy confused the names and got the guy he wasn't mad at thinking he was mad at him...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2022, 01:21:34 PM
Funny video as usual from him.

https://rumble.com/vw8q9n-ukraine-and-russia-what-the-media-wants-you-to-think.html (https://rumble.com/vw8q9n-ukraine-and-russia-what-the-media-wants-you-to-think.html)
Awaken With JP Published March 2, 2022

Nice, see this is what Pan was talking about...this guy is funny, I've linked some of his stuff before...

Gosh, what's true?  The Tulsi Gabbard clip proves my point about no difference between nations...Putin & Zelensky control media, crackdown on opposition politicians...in America media is 95% controlled by the DemCom's, opposition is gagged, denounced...criminalized...people are rotting in the DC Gulag for being political dissidents at the wrong place and wrong time...invited in by "police"...

No differences, gradients and degrees, period!

So, funny man is buying the "gotta put US boots on the ground in Ukraine...and goes on and on on that to basically tell people Ukraine isn't worth it...

Well, is his tack "helpful"?  Mmm?

I posit it is possible to both despise the move by Putin and his logic for doing so...sympathize with Ukraine and its independence from any outside influence and the means to defend themselves...and not want US boots anywhere near that ground...

Apparently to funny man and those like him, that's an impossible position to take.

Well gosh...shall we bow to that lazy brilliance?

It's like the indentured DemCom bleating "it's too hard...I can't do it!"...

Yeah...

I guess I have to preface links now or what?

Mayor & citizens - real or fake, you decide -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479787-watch-russians-give-town-ultimatum-resist-and-we-will-kill-you-heres-their-response/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479787-watch-russians-give-town-ultimatum-resist-and-we-will-kill-you-heres-their-response/)

Kremlin advisor - real or fake -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479801-kremlin-advisor-urges-putin-to-seek-a-ceasefire-calls-invasion-embarrassing-for-russia/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479801-kremlin-advisor-urges-putin-to-seek-a-ceasefire-calls-invasion-embarrassing-for-russia/)

Angry invadees, real or fake -

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479804-ukrainian-citizens-march-against-russian-soldiers-shooting-at-them/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479804-ukrainian-citizens-march-against-russian-soldiers-shooting-at-them/)

...aaaand, go!

OK, being a smart-ass (guilty, repeat offender and I will do it again!)...but people need to start making up their own minds...

But, in latter day Earth, does it matter?  Who listens to us?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2022, 12:59:05 PM
Far as I can tell AP got this wrong...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479865-russia-shells-europes-largest-nuclear-plant-in-ukraine-setting-building-on-fire/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479865-russia-shells-europes-largest-nuclear-plant-in-ukraine-setting-building-on-fire/)

Shelled, yes...but an administrative building...not a reactor...and no confirmation of firefighters being shot, they were allowed to put out the fire...

Still, lobbing ordnance anywhere near a nuclear power plant, especially one of the top 10 largest on the planet...probably a very stupid thing to do...

About as stupid as Cuck Lindsey calling for the assassination of Putin...first, it invites reprisals (not that I care right now)...and because logistically it's just DOA (everybody everywhere has a succession of idiots lined up behind the current head honcho who is often just as bad as the asshole you already have)...

I am more interested in just what the heck is going on in Russia...

The Entire staff of the Russian TV channel “the rain” resigned during a live stream with last words: “no war” and then played “swan lake” ballet video (just like they did on all USSR tv channels when it suddenly collapsed)
https://www.weaselzippers.us/479847-staff-of-entire-russian-news-channel-resigns-on-air-plays-swan-lake-just-like-they-did-when-the-ussr-collapsed/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479847-staff-of-entire-russian-news-channel-resigns-on-air-plays-swan-lake-just-like-they-did-when-the-ussr-collapsed/)

Indians (dot) reporting it too...

https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/russian-tv-rain-sign-out-saying-no-to-war-plays-swan-lake-as-staff-walk-out-7800387/ (https://indianexpress.com/article/trending/trending-globally/russian-tv-rain-sign-out-saying-no-to-war-plays-swan-lake-as-staff-walk-out-7800387/)

More...

https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/03/russia-blocks-tv-rain-its-last-independent-tv-channel-and-tv-rain-airs-its-last-broadcast/ (https://www.niemanlab.org/2022/03/russia-blocks-tv-rain-its-last-independent-tv-channel-and-tv-rain-airs-its-last-broadcast/)

Czar Vald deemed them subversive tools of foreign devils!  Yeah...  Well, JoeFraud's latest FCC nominee has plans for the same in America...crazy loon wants to nuke FoXNews...which is hilarious since they're largely line-holders with very few exceptions (witch has a hatred of Tucker Carlson)...so...we're on our way to state enlightenment only status too...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 04, 2022, 03:51:55 PM
I do not doubt it.
I recall that the Kiev govt shut down 3 opposition TV stations. And jailed some opposition politicians. That was long before the Russian military movements.

Also, the Russians already had controlled the plant so had no need the shell the plant. The plant is also upwind of Russia.
I think some out building was taken over by some Ukrainian soldiers and fighting ensued.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 04, 2022, 09:57:29 PM
Putin is not a "good guy" . . . but, in this situation on the world stage, he's the good guy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2022, 10:07:33 AM
Well I'll stick to my guns that there are no "good" guys...

But the longer this goes on the more nuts its getting...

The slow strangulation of major cities is also giving your enemy time to prepare...and get a high-value score now and then - https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1499332138918944773 (https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1499332138918944773)

...and it probably means the civilian body count goes higher.

Putin keeps issuing warnings...like he's concerned, or something...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479906-putin-cries-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479906-putin-cries-sanctions-are-an-act-of-war/)

...yeah yeah yeah, red line, nuclear war, blah blah blah...nobody cares...

In more disturbing news, Russia is using JoeFraud's desperation to restart the unsane Obamao-Mahdi Death Cult deal to carve out its special monopoly with the cultists -

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fears-grow-russia-holding-iran-nuke-deal-hostage-over-ukraine-related-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fears-grow-russia-holding-iran-nuke-deal-hostage-over-ukraine-related-sanctions)

...sounds like a march made in Hell...and TeamFraud is just stupid and desperate enough to go along with it.

Heck, everything Occupied America is doing benefits Russia and China in the end -

Hegemony in Persia...Ukraine...next up Moldova and Taiwan for China.

These latest moves...could be called The Rise of the Corporatists (they kinda remind me of Crimson Dawn...doing the dirty little things for Sith lieutenants)...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/479909-visa-mastercard-will-no-longer-work-in-russia/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/479909-visa-mastercard-will-no-longer-work-in-russia/)

And by crippling domestic oil & gas production, exploration and distribution in America and making us more dependent upon those hostile to us...

https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/05/russian-oil-and-gas-operations-emit-30-percent-more-methane-than-american-producers/ (https://thefederalist.com/2022/03/05/russian-oil-and-gas-operations-emit-30-percent-more-methane-than-american-producers/)

...ironically in the name of worshipping the false god of Climate Change...these foreign producers spew the dreaded greenhouses gases into Gaia's precious lungs at a rate far exceeding our domestic producers!

So, not only are our corrupt leaders screwing us and benefiting them...they are ensuring the end of the dollar as the world reserve currency comes a heck of a lot quicker.  By making life harder for the Russian citizen the only aim can be to foment domestic unrest that pours out into the streets...and it is doing some of that...but most Russians are genetically incapable of making revolution without a charismatic leader leading it...so I doubt we'll see this payoff...instead, between this and Swift...they'll move the BRICS to act faster on an alternative system.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0334e88619a2ab0c8920e8a5967303a373cfa4f05be47cf6a9c8b9d34d14d25f.jpg)
H/T-WZ

And the extra-legal impoundment fever sweeping the West (hey, our Feds, states, counties & cities been doing this to people for decades now!) is picking up steam...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italy-seizes-villas-and-yachts-worth-150-million-russian-oligarchs (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/italy-seizes-villas-and-yachts-worth-150-million-russian-oligarchs)

...and no doubt reprisals are coming for Western oligarchs...so...  Meh...

And if Zelensky made one mistake, it was trusting JoeFraud a bit too much...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/furious-zelensky-lashes-out-weak-nato-not-imposing-no-fly-zone (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/furious-zelensky-lashes-out-weak-nato-not-imposing-no-fly-zone)

...there will be no no-fly zone...

...and since JoeFraud (his handlers) were askeered of jets to Ukraine (just too dangerous)...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/05/revealed-the-real-reason-that-deal-to-send-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-fell-through-n532223 (https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/03/05/revealed-the-real-reason-that-deal-to-send-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-fell-through-n532223)

...Ukraine being able to defend itself with any lasting strength appears to have never been a consideration.

It appears TeamFraud wanted an invasion, not just for the distraction back here...but knowing based upon past Russian invasions of their neighbors the likelihood of a crushing defeat of Ukraine and a thorough occupation and hunting down of anti-Russian elements would likely cause a lot of damage...any surviving proof of Biden-Clinton corruption would be eliminated...or rendered moot if waved in the air by desperate survivors...

Nice to see Musk refusing to be a government censor...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wont-do-unless-gunpoint-musks-starlink-rejects-governments-requests-ban-russian-news (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wont-do-unless-gunpoint-musks-starlink-rejects-governments-requests-ban-russian-news)

...in a liberal (snicker) democracy (snort!) isn't the only censor allowed the judgement of the reader/viewer?  ::pokeineye::

And, let's close with something clever...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/05/visa-and-mastercard-will-announce-the-next-british-prime-minister-tomorrow-at-400pm-gmt/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/05/visa-and-mastercard-will-announce-the-next-british-prime-minister-tomorrow-at-400pm-gmt/)

Heh.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2022, 10:45:55 AM
Interesting comment I saw at CTH...

Ukrainian's have been targeting fuel trucks...been the reason for part of the delay in entering Kiev and maybe other cities still open...makes sense, no fuel no armor or troops can move...unless by foot...and now the Russians have taken to disguising fuel trucks as troop carriers and making do with whatever to protect radiators...

(https://www.thedrive.com/content-b/message-editor%2F1646519870823-fngjn1bwuaoj_ea.jpg)

...but...uhh...do I have to point out the obvious?

Think "where's Waldo"...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2022, 03:31:43 PM
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2022, 03:38:46 PM


Also, Jimmy Dore cites lots of experts predicting this for a long time. 30 min.
https://youtu.be/1H0rCqaGtJw
US/NATO Provoked Ukraine War Say Most Experts On Russia
242,758 views
Mar 3, 2022
The Jimmy Dore Show
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2022, 07:48:54 AM
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!

No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2022, 08:02:01 AM


Also, Jimmy Dore cites lots of experts predicting this for a long time. 30 min.
https://youtu.be/1H0rCqaGtJw (https://youtu.be/1H0rCqaGtJw)
US/NATO Provoked Ukraine War Say Most Experts On Russia
242,758 views
Mar 3, 2022
The Jimmy Dore Show

Yeah yeah yeah...same old verbal masturbation...US/NATO bad, Putin might be bad but US/NATO way more bad!  Yeah, so?  What's the solution?  Give Russia Ukraine?  Great, lets make a deal...what do we get?  I'd like Cuba and Venezuela please...and Iran turned into glass.  Israel would like all those Iranian proxies around them gone.  Sure Europe would like Russia staying out of the other Central European nations and Scandinavia would like not to be threatened.  Deal?

Get real.

Russians are like an angry bitter wife...pissed at her husbands shortcomings of years ago...

2014!

Minsk!

Budapest!  No, wait, only sometimes Budpest.

Yet, bring up the wife's shortcomings of the past and its "that doesn't matter, only this matters"...

God, it's nice to think you are right all the time and never admit a mistake!  A trait all bad leaders share...

Anyway, so...US/NATO bad...obviously they don't give a crap any more than you do...and like I called long ago Russians might not be Soviets anymore but they are still butthurt over losing the first Cold War...and determined to win the next cold or hot...makes me think we should have occupied all of the collapsed Soviet Empire in another Marshall Plan, try to teach these mongoloids how to grow beyond their limitations...well, regrets, everybody has 'em...

Fine.  West sucks, guilty as Hell, deserves death and destruction...Attack US/NATO, WTF you waiting for!  They have it coming, right?  All their fault, yes?  Attack!!!

 ::pokeineye::

Jimmy is an idiot.

ETA - Here we go, Russia says US has WMD's in Ukraine...

https://beckernews.com/3-russian-ministry-of-defense-claims-it-has-evidence-of-u-s-funded-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-44303/ (https://beckernews.com/3-russian-ministry-of-defense-claims-it-has-evidence-of-u-s-funded-bioweapons-labs-in-ukraine-44303/)

...well, that seals it...have to nuke America now, what other choice is there?

Not sure all the wealthy are bunkered up yet...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-hasnt-stopped-ringing-paranoid-rich-panic-buy-doomsday-bunkers-nuclear-war-fears (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-hasnt-stopped-ringing-paranoid-rich-panic-buy-doomsday-bunkers-nuclear-war-fears)

...but hey, whatever...they all got it coming...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 07, 2022, 10:18:32 AM

Not sure all the wealthy are bunkered up yet...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-hasnt-stopped-ringing-paranoid-rich-panic-buy-doomsday-bunkers-nuclear-war-fears (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/phone-hasnt-stopped-ringing-paranoid-rich-panic-buy-doomsday-bunkers-nuclear-war-fears)

...but hey, whatever...they all got it coming...

(https://teamlegionnaire.files.wordpress.com/2022/03/wile-e-coyote-umbrella.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2022, 11:06:15 AM
Ottawa, DC...Moscow...

https://youtu.be/miU0KoteLDs

...it all looks the same.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on March 07, 2022, 03:14:54 PM
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!

No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier.

Looks like a Temporary Pontoon Bridge Vehicle to me.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2022, 03:35:07 PM
^^^ what is obvious?

If civilians start fighting Russians they are fair game. If they fight from apt windows then apts will get shelled and they will look those in Lebanon or Syria.

These sanctions will lead to fuel, food, and fertilizer shortages world wide. Starvation. Even more than the covid shut downs.

https://youtu.be/yrgI4gB5W2o
The END of Russian Aviation!? | Mentour NOW!

No, I thought it obvious that the Rus need to truss up their troop transports pallets and such or the fuel trucks will still stick out...

And as seen in Kherson & Kharkiv...and similar to Grozny...civilians have always been fair game...pick an excuse...it all comes down to not wanting to spend the time to clear cities with troops building by building (usually only soft Americans do that) when shelling is so much easier.

Looks like a Temporary Pontoon Bridge Vehicle to me.

Well, whatever the heck it nis...don't want to radiator shot out on it either...need a pick of a tanker & troop transport to know how they're trussed up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: IronDioPriest on March 08, 2022, 06:44:05 AM
Watch this and tell me what you guys think. A buddy sent it to me. I know nothing about the “host” of the video. But the video he’s analyzing is purportedly a Ukrainian neo-Nazi taking credit for actions within Ukraine that led to the Russian invasion. Essentially what the guy is saying is that Putin is telling the truth… that 14,000 Ukrainians have been killed by neo-Nazis in Ukraine since a peace agreement was signed a few years back, and the Putin is coming in to squash them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 08, 2022, 08:32:25 AM
Watch this and tell me what you guys think. A buddy sent it to me. I know nothing about the “host” of the video. But the video he’s analyzing is purportedly a Ukrainian neo-Nazi taking credit for actions within Ukraine that led to the Russian invasion. Essentially what the guy is saying is that Putin is telling the truth… that 14,000 Ukrainians have been killed by neo-Nazis in Ukraine since a peace agreement was signed a few years back, and the Putin is coming in to squash them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaAyiP8Wuc&feature=youtu.be)

I have heard the Nazi allegations from several sources. Ukrainian Nazis have supposedly been killing Russian citizens as well since 2014.
I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.

The border of Russia/Ukraine is also lined with U.S. funded bio-chemical labs (which our government is now in the process of taking off-line so as to make Putin's claims look ridiculous).

Yes, the civilian casualties are unfortunate -- but Ukraine is not unfamiliar with killing its own citizens. No "angels" here -- but Putin gets my vote in the present situation. I had to bite my tongue in church this week, as a guest speaker was claiming that Putin is channeling the "spirit" of Ivan the Terrible & Czars of old in a spiritual battle. The battle may be spiritual in a sense -- but, IMO, predominantly pragmatic.
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Just received this via Telegram:
Evidence of US-financed biological program in Ukraine revealed by Russian defense ministry (https://tass.com/defense/1417951/amp)

Perfectly Lawful and Legal and Unfortunate (http://www.paulstramer.net/2022/03/perfectly-lawful-and-legal-and.html)
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People keep wondering what to think about the situation in Ukraine.  Many are still believing what they hear on the news.

When the old Russian Federation broke up, and Russia released the Ukraine as an independent country it came with the proviso that if there was evidence of criminality, genocide, international threats to Russia on Ukrainian soil, etc. Russia could come back in and secure the situation.  This is part of Russia's obligation to the rest of the world as well as a matter of Russian security...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 08:34:24 AM
Ugh, Jimmy again.  So much has to be taken with piles of salt.  The daisy-chain of "well, if that part is true, then" that it becomes a numbers game that piles up that everything collapses upon itself. 

Jimmy often harps on the ethnic Russian east and Minsk stuff like most long time Russophiles...

Ukraine is 80% ethnic Ukrainian...20% "other"...the majority is ethnic Russians that make up 17% of the total population and they are concentrated in cities in the east...so it's like saying Minnesota is Marxist state because of the Twin Cities, Duluth and pockets here and there.  Well, sheeeit, we should all drop to our knees.

Jimmy seeing fascists everywhere.  Are there some, sure.  Azov Brigade.  C14 is right wing...but the other guy on said they are not neo-nazi.  Well, makes me think folks are seeing a minority...much like here where Marxists see fascists under every bed, around every corner and marching on your capitols...and blowing it out of proportion.  Are we all nationalist terrorists?

Now, is it possible DeepState operatives are using such elements to their advantage?  Well, duh...Russia and its proxies in DPR/LPR...same deal, shocking, I know.

Jimmy grieving for the gender-confused targeted by nazi's...umm, Jimmy...Putin's Russian not too keen on those folks and tainted races...think they're going to get a better deal with Russia? 

If people are looking for saints anywhere in this world anywhere they are in for nothing but disappointment.

Why can't people just speak the truth and say what they really mean?

For many it's Putin & Russia must win because America is so much worse.  Fine.  Say it.  I think its shortsighted, but at least it's honest.

Jimmy is as Guilty as CNN...he's pointing, screaming fascist, and expects you to fall in line.  If he said all sides are full of lying selfish greedy despicable louts...I'd be like "you finally got it".

See, Pablo's comment...he's 100% honest...only difference I have...I can't give a vote...seems I've had my fill of that domestically and lost taste for it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 08, 2022, 10:06:01 AM

I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.


No. He is a bad guy.  He just poses less of a threat to America and its interests than the Oligarchical  Cabal in charge of NATO and the West . It is entirely possible to support neither side, and to be more interested in stopping the threat form the Cabal that would rule over us using this invasion as an excuse,  than in stopping a foreign invasion from a hostile force, that if successful,  will pose little threat to us. 
And if you say "but Europe"?   I don't care
Like those in the US Cities I wrote Europe off a long time ago - the oligarchs of the west obviously have chosen to replace their current populations  with populations from elsewhere who will be satisfied with less.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2022, 10:36:12 AM

I think Putin is the good guy also. If I lived in Ukraine, turning Ukraine into Switzerland (no NATO, no nukes, no shelling the East) would not seem so bad. Dying to protect the corrupt govt would not seem that important. Below, what changed in 2014 was the US backed coup toppled the elected president and the ethnic Russians did not like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#Surveys_on_the_status_of_the_Russian_language
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A 2012 study showed that:[71]

    on the radio, 3.4% of songs were in Ukrainian while 60% were in Russian
    over 60% of newspapers, 83% of journals and 87% of books were in Russian
    28% of TV programs were in Ukrainian, even on state-owned channels


... the Ukrainian National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting shut down the broadcast of Russian television channels Rossiya 24, Channel One Russia, RTR Planeta, and NTV Mir in Ukraine.[72][73] Since 19 August 2014 Ukraine has blocked 14 Russian television channels "to protect its media space from aggression from Russia, which has been deliberately inciting hatred and discord among Ukrainian citizens".[74]

In early June 2015 162 Russian movies and TV series were banned in Ukraine because they were seen to contains popularization, agitation and/or propaganda for the 2014–15 Russian military intervention in Ukraine (this military intervention is denied by Russia).[75][76] All movies that feature "unwanted" Russian or Russia-supporting actors were also banned.[77]
...

On May 15, 2017, Ukrainian president Poroshenko issued a decree than demanded all Ukrainian internet providers to block access to all most popular Russian social media and websites,...

The Law on Education formerly granted Ukrainian families (parents and their children) a right to choose their native language for schools and studies.[91] This was changed by a new law in 2017 that only allows the use of Ukrainian in secondary schools and higher.
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0:07 We will have work, not them.
We will have pensions and they will not.
We will have benefits for pensioners and children, they will not!
Our children will go to school and day care, their children will stay in the cellars!
Because they can't do anything.
And that's how, precisely that, we will win this war.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 10:56:36 AM

I have written elsewhere that, although Putin is not a "good guy" -- in this situation he's the good guy.


No. He is a bad guy.  He just poses less of a threat to America and its interests than the Oligarchical  Cabal in charge of NATO and the West . It is entirely possible to support neither side, and to be more interested in stopping the threat form the Cabal that would rule over us using this invasion as an excuse,  than in stopping a foreign invasion from a hostile force, that if successful,  will pose little threat to us. 
And if you say "but Europe"?   I don't care
Like those in the US Cities I wrote Europe off a long time ago - the oligarchs of the west obviously have chosen to replace their current populations  with populations from elsewhere who will be satisfied with less.

Yeah, we got screwed when 2020 was stolen...any chance to de-couple from madness home and abroad died that day...

I see evil everywhere...and my priority is myself and my family and like-minded allies...everybody else can hang...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 11:00:16 AM

I think Putin is the good guy also. If I lived in Ukraine, turning Ukraine into Switzerland (no NATO, no nukes, no shelling the East) would not seem so bad. Dying to protect the corrupt govt would not seem that important. Below, what changed in 2014 was the US backed coup toppled the elected president and the ethnic Russians did not like it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#Surveys_on_the_status_of_the_Russian_language (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#Surveys_on_the_status_of_the_Russian_language)
...
A 2012 study showed that:[71]

    on the radio, 3.4% of songs were in Ukrainian while 60% were in Russian
    over 60% of newspapers, 83% of journals and 87% of books were in Russian
    28% of TV programs were in Ukrainian, even on state-owned channels


... the Ukrainian National Council on Television and Radio Broadcasting shut down the broadcast of Russian television channels Rossiya 24, Channel One Russia, RTR Planeta, and NTV Mir in Ukraine.[72][73] Since 19 August 2014 Ukraine has blocked 14 Russian television channels "to protect its media space from aggression from Russia, which has been deliberately inciting hatred and discord among Ukrainian citizens".[74]

In early June 2015 162 Russian movies and TV series were banned in Ukraine because they were seen to contains popularization, agitation and/or propaganda for the 2014–15 Russian military intervention in Ukraine (this military intervention is denied by Russia).[75][76] All movies that feature "unwanted" Russian or Russia-supporting actors were also banned.[77]
...

On May 15, 2017, Ukrainian president Poroshenko issued a decree than demanded all Ukrainian internet providers to block access to all most popular Russian social media and websites,...

The Law on Education formerly granted Ukrainian families (parents and their children) a right to choose their native language for schools and studies.[91] This was changed by a new law in 2017 that only allows the use of Ukrainian in secondary schools and higher.
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https://youtu.be/j04-wtsA8Hg (https://youtu.be/j04-wtsA8Hg)
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Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko's 2014 speech about the population of eastern Ukraine.
0:07 We will have work, not them.
We will have pensions and they will not.
We will have benefits for pensioners and children, they will not!
Our children will go to school and day care, their children will stay in the cellars!
Because they can't do anything.
And that's how, precisely that, we will win this war.


Ukraine would never be allowed to be independent like Switzerland, not under Putin, not under anybody on this planet, ever...they can only be somebody's vassal, period.  Thinking anything else is possible is akin to believing in faeries and unicorns...

ETA - Nice timing to illustrate!

https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-open-to-compromise-on-nato-crimea-separatist-republics-but-no-surrender_4323792.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-open-to-compromise-on-nato-crimea-separatist-republics-but-no-surrender_4323792.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

Surrender?  Switzerland would not surrender...   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2022, 11:54:53 AM
^^^^
I will wait for the details. Ukraine and US were always willing to talk; forever.

I have Scot Ritter on. https://youtu.be/C6NnUlhpxR4
Day 4.
Interesting so far. Interesting history on the western Ukraine. Details on the so called Azov battalion. History.
He says Mariupol  is dominant Russian speaking city and Azov will not let civilians leave. Human shields.
[Me-similar to ISIS in Syria]

OT  I read about alleged US backed bio weapon labs in Ukraine. I would have been highly doubtful but then came the Wuhan lab and Dr. Fauci. Easier to believe now.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2022, 12:01:49 PM

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Ukraine would never be allowed to be independent like Switzerland, not under Putin, not under anybody on this planet, ever...they can only be somebody's vassal, period.  Thinking anything else is possible is akin to believing in faeries and unicorns...

I recently heard something similar about Tibet. Some US senior diplomat asked China about why not let Tibet be independent? China guy said Tibet would always be taken over by someone, so let it be China.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2022, 01:01:15 PM


First few minutes is Tucker with guest. 6:50 has current map released by Russian state media.
https://rumble.com/vwt5l9-east-cauldron-snaps-together.-odessa-cauldron-forming.-sanctions-disaster.-.html

Interesting source of info. Vox Day sometimes cite the saker.
https://thesaker.is/major-military-and-political-developments-and-major-risks-next/

Major military and political developments and major risks next (UPDATED!)
53016 Views March 07, 2022 571 Comments


First, the biggest news of the day: the city of Izium fell to the Russian forces.  Here is a map with Izium (????) on the top and then two sets of arrows: the red ones show how the operational cauldron in the east of the Ukraine can be locked along the Lozovaia-Pavlograd while the black one shows the same option, but much closer to the surrounded Ukronazi forces along an Izium-Pokrovsk axis.

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   ...

While I was writing this I got the info that a Polish helicopter brought an Ukronazi delegation for talks in Belarus.  According to the latest from Russian negotiators, it was yet another wasted day.  But these negotiations will resume as soon as the Ukies get their latest orders from UncleShmuel.

The obvious problem is that the Ukie delegation has no authority, so all they do is show up, make some general statements of good will, then take all the (written) Russian proposals and say they need to retire for “consultations”.  Obviously, these consultations are not with anybody in Kiev, but with the US and its EU colonies and the latter must at all costs get as many people dead (on both sides) as possible.

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However, in the mean time, there are numerous reports from many towns and cities under Nazi occupation of the local municipal authorities warning that anybody using a humanitarian corridor leading to the “occupier force” will be shot on sight and with no warning.  There are many confirmed instances of such fleeing refugees being executed by the Ukronazis.  The western presstitutes are blaming it all on Russia, what else is new?

Conclusions:

From the point of view of Russian combat operations, today has been most successful and tomorrow promises an even quicker domino effect on the Ukrainian defenses pretty much everywhere except the far west (what I now call the mini-Banderastan).

Politically, the only important news is that Lavrov and Kuleba are supposed to meet soon.

And yet, I will end with an area of great concern to me.

Here is how I see it and PLEASE tell me I am wrong!

    The Ukraine has lost the war, she will be disarmed and denazified
    The West is waging total informational and economic war against Russia and believing much of its own propaganda (which is fantastically dangerous!)
    The western public has been sold nonsense about the Ukies being at the gates of Moscow and Russia being ready to surrender.  Which means that when the reality will become undeniable there will be A LOT of VERY butthurt folks out there pointing fingers.
    Economically speaking, Zerohedge put it best: “Carnage everywhere“!
    Even much worse will be the folks who will try to still overturn this outcome.  I am talking about the true nutcases in NATO (and in some sections of the USA ruling elites) which simply cannot even *imagine* that Russia holds all the cards, including the military one.
    I can easily imagine, say, a Polish column with weapons and mercenaries crossing into the Ukraine and being wiped out by Russian missiles.  I ask you this: what will NATO do next?

In fact, let me rephrase my question this way: is it at all possible that this war can end without a direct military confrontation between NATO and Russia, keeping in mind that NATO cannot win and NATO cannot accept defeat?

Sadly, I don’t think so anymore, that kind of folly is a direct consequence of the Western PSYOPs which have convinced the folks in the West of two crucial things: 1) Russia cannot win and 2) Putin is bluffing.

I think that the folks in the Pentagon are smart enough to know that this is all bull, but the Eurorodents inside NATO and the EU?

Wouldn’t a military/political defeat of NATO in Banderastan not risk bringing down NATO as an organization?
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UPDATE: for the first time Russian TV has shown the Donbass operational cauldron.  I added the contours of this cauldron in the making with the think black line:
(https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Donbass-operational-cauldron-on-Russian-TV-1536x1072.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 01:30:06 PM

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Ukraine would never be allowed to be independent like Switzerland, not under Putin, not under anybody on this planet, ever...they can only be somebody's vassal, period.  Thinking anything else is possible is akin to believing in faeries and unicorns...

I recently heard something similar about Tibet. Some US senior diplomat asked China about why not let Tibet be independent? China guy said Tibet would always be taken over by someone, so let it be China.

Law of the Jungle, might makes right...ya snooze ya get pulverized...get mighty or get on your knees!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 01:41:32 PM
Not sure where that map came from...looks different than ones I've seen...it seems certain the Russians coming down from Belarus to Kyiv shot south (west of Kyiv) in one spot and then another to cut off the M6 or whatever the main highway west is to intercept refugees...concerned I believe that there may be non-refugees in the mix...good luck trying to figure out that without breaking some eggs...

ETA - Sorry, bad memory...M-06 highway...

https://liveuamap.com

Caveat - map refresh runs on a roughly 24 hour lag.

And all the screaming chickens are talking about the end of everything like its no big deal if it ends...so, yeah...all it takes is anybody anywhere (and everybody will distrust/over-trust the who started finger-pointing circle-jerk game) doing something stupid that somebody else jumps on and it all goes hot...so I am not going to tell anybody concerned about where all this is going is stupid to be unconcerned...

There are cabalists of every stripe on every side of this all with skin in the game not interested in backing down no matter what...they're too invested at this point to let any transient diplomacy kick the can down the road...

Nothing can stop the blood-lust consuming everyone...it will have its play...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2022, 04:15:16 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukrainian-women-being-forced-prostitution-sex-traffickers-prey-refugees (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukrainian-women-being-forced-prostitution-sex-traffickers-prey-refugees)

Well, wars bring out the worst in many...

Friend/foe...hard to tell them apart...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 09, 2022, 08:51:09 AM
Things are lurching into bad B movie mode...

https://thelibertydaily.com/conspiracy-theory-confirmed-state-department-admits-concern-over-russia-gaining-control-of-ukraines-bioweapons-labs/ (https://thelibertydaily.com/conspiracy-theory-confirmed-state-department-admits-concern-over-russia-gaining-control-of-ukraines-bioweapons-labs/)

And not only did the fugly stupid Undertroll of FoggyBottom admit the bio-weapons labs are there...but this corrupt illegitimate regime's failure to own up to its role in the Wuhan Lab with the ChiComs is coming back to roost...since the CCP decided to slam the US first...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/biden-official-victoria-nuland-admits-biological-research-labs-ukraine-following-china-russia-accusations-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/biden-official-victoria-nuland-admits-biological-research-labs-ukraine-following-china-russia-accusations-video/)

...only in Clown World can you kick yourself in the balls repeatedly and call it "leadership"...   ::laughonfloor::

OK, onto Snyder's 5 Questions:

#1 Are we ready for hundreds of millions of people to perish in a conflict with Russia?
By "we" if you mean the illegitimate JoeFraud regime and the DeepState operators pulling his strings and mouth-breathing imbeciles lapping up their MFM dreck, then the answer is probably yes...but see #2 below as a pause has been reached.
#2 If we provide fighter jets to Ukraine will that mean that we get sucked into a shooting war with Russia?
Yes, but that didn't stop them from wanting it.
Most of us are like Mike - Just, No! (http://coldfury.com/2022/03/08/no-just-no/)  But that didn't stop the Blinken Idiot from pushing it like it was a "done deal" after Poland called him a liar and then the Woke Pentagon in a moment of sanity said "No". (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/08/blinken-and-biden-fold-pentagon-rejects-poland-offer-for-united-states-to-start-world-war-iii/)
#3 Why are al-Qaeda fighters being allowed to fight for Ukraine?   Caveat-this is a Sputnik sourced allegation...if true I can only see the assclowns at CIA being this reckless.  If I were in the Ukrainian forces pretty sure I would volunteer to lead this trash into an ambush...problem solved.
#4 Does the United States really have 26 biological research labs in Ukraine?   Are regimes the world over in bed with one another hundreds of times over?  Is the Pope a Socialist tool?  Did Anna Nicole marry for money?
#5 Why are Chinese media outlets embedding reporters with Russian military units that are participating in the invasion of Ukraine?
B-b-but China abstained on the UN vote...LOL!  Duh, pals do pals "solids".  Though, not sure any lessons here will help China in Taiwan.
https://noqreport.com/2022/03/09/5-very-strange-questions-that-every-american-should-be-asking-about-the-war-in-ukraine-right-now/ (https://noqreport.com/2022/03/09/5-very-strange-questions-that-every-american-should-be-asking-about-the-war-in-ukraine-right-now/)

Well that was fun, what else is there?  Seems fairly quiet at the moment.

But...looks like some of the Southern advances spread a hair from yesterday...as did the extension in the East Westward toward Kyiv.

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 09, 2022, 12:19:34 PM
Wow, check this out...

(https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/03/Maria-baronova-quits-in-protest-of-ukraine-invasion-01.jpg)

The top editor of a Russian state-run media outlet who resigned in protest of President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine last week is warning that the world could be in danger of a nuclear war.

Maria Baronova, the editor-in-chief of RT, stepped down last week after publicly criticizing the invasion, telling her followers on the encrypted Telegram messaging service: “Our granddads didn’t fight for this.”

The Moscow-based journalist fears that the bloody invasion of Ukraine won’t stop there.

“The problem is, I know these people very well,” Baronova told Fox News Digital.

“They never send threats, they just kill, so there is kind of [a] weird silence around me, but I really think we’re on the brink of a nuclear war right now. I’m not exaggerating.”

Journalists in Russia who publicly criticize government policy risk their safety, but the situation is so dire that Baronova was motivated to speak out, she said.

“I have a son, I can’t leave because his father won’t allow me to leave with him, and so I just prefer to stay in Moscow … It seems like we’re either in North Korea or we are going to be killed by a thermonuclear mushroom,” Baronova told Fox News Digital.

“I wouldn’t quit, and I wouldn’t lose my salary and job if I was sure that we are going to be alive for many years, but I really don’t know what is going to happen to all of us next.”

At the start of the invasion, Putin ordered that his country’s nuclear weapons be prepared for heightened readiness to launch because of what he described as “aggressive statements” by Western adversaries.

Baronova said she doesn’t believe that Putin would resort to nuclear weapons. Instead, she fears that the Russian leader will goad the West into using nonconventional arms against her country.

“I suspect the Western world will use it,” Baronova said. “This is a very dangerous situation.”

Baronova told Fox News Digital that she quit after a colleague at RT posted an Instagram message that read: “If you are now ashamed of being Russian, don’t worry, you are not Russian.”

She said she was “really disturbed” by her colleagues’ willingness to spread government propaganda.

In response to the Instagram post, Baronova wrote: “If I chose to be with Russia, this does not mean that I should walk in a totalitarian system, be silent or, for example, rejoice that the regime, which I do not want for my country, is being exported somewhere else.”

“And this regime will finally turn our life into one endless hell. What’s there. Already turned.”

Baronova said the Instagram post was the last straw, leading her to quit RT.

“That was the moment I decided, ‘OK, that’s it,'” she said.
https://nypost.com/2022/03/09/rt-editor-in-chief-quits-in-protest-of-ukraine-invasion/

I think she has a good read on things in Moscow and DC...she's saying Putin and his allies are thugs and will not stop at just Ukraine...I believe that...there's chatter about Moldova, he's threatening Finland and Sweden (and interestingly, there is an exodus of some Russians to Finland occurring right now), the Baltics are a concern as well as moves on Romania & Bulgaria being possible...she's saying Putin won't go nuclear first but even if true if he keeps rolling into other neighboring countries the triggers can fall fast and it doesn't matter who goes first...

And being labeled "not Russian" is akin to our Marxist ilk here calling us "domestic terrorists"...same crap...

Can you imagine one of the MarxistMedia puppets cutting their strings and saying similar things about JoeFraud et al?  Yeah, she's got more balls and credibility than our counterparts...

I don't think Putin will stop at Ukraine either.  Why would he?  Pentagon is nixing serious hardware for Ukraine and there are no more sanctions to issue.  The only real chance for escalation is if he moves on a current NATO member.  The million dollar question is will he?  Of those other nations I listed 3 including Moldova are not in NATO, so if he moves there it may be just more Westward movement and a strategic status quo...the other 2 currently not in NATO - Sweden & Finland are dicey...Russia and Finland have a history...and its debatable what the Western response to that invasion would be other than a lightning quick acceptance of Sweden into NATO if it plead for it upon seeing its neighbor invaded...then Putin is out of non-NATO nations to gobble up and the stakes could lead to the holocaust Maria Baranova fears.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 10, 2022, 10:43:13 AM
**BREAKING VIDEO** Russia Tells the US "We Have Found Your Biological Weapons" (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-video-russia-tells-us-found-biological-weapons-video/)

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/BEF155AD-A5A9-48B4-8EE4-0DEAF9CF02F3-scaled.jpeg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2022, 11:38:23 AM
Nuland already stepped in it yesterday...

Hiding behind legality of Ukrainian ownership while dodging US funding only fools the stupid...

Kinda like Fascist Fauci hiding behind Wuhan...

Hey, wasn't that the same Russian chick that giggled about wanting the West to tell her the Ukraine invasion date...before the invasion?

Anyway, look deep enough...all such "arrangements" are made by gobs of nations and hypocrisy abounds.

And, don't worry...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480040-russian-occupied-chernobyl-has-no-power-and-48-hours-of-backup-generator-fuel-could-spawn-disaster/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480040-russian-occupied-chernobyl-has-no-power-and-48-hours-of-backup-generator-fuel-could-spawn-disaster/)

...I'm sure all is well.

Push to Kyiv grows closer and several air raid sirens have been heard - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Suspect the same shelling that Mariupol, Kharkiv and Chernihiv experienced will be seen there soon.

7:37PM local...nothing on cams I can see...but those are so central and limited in view at that point too late has been met.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2022, 12:15:40 PM
More on the labs - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-exclusive-hunter-biden-firm-rosemont-seneca-invested-firm-tied-ukrainian-biolabs/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/breaking-exclusive-hunter-biden-firm-rosemont-seneca-invested-firm-tied-ukrainian-biolabs/)

Keep digging, I'm sure the other players involved in Burisma et al are connected here too...not just Biden's kids...Pelosi's, Kerry's, Romney's, McCain's...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2022, 01:30:36 PM
Nuland already stepped in it yesterday...

Hiding behind legality of Ukrainian ownership while dodging US funding only fools the stupid...

Kinda like Fascist Fauci hiding behind Wuhan...

Hey, wasn't that the same Russian chick that giggled about wanting the West to tell her the Ukraine invasion date...before the invasion?

Anyway, look deep enough...all such "arrangements" are made by gobs of nations and hypocrisy abounds.

And, don't worry...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480040-russian-occupied-chernobyl-has-no-power-and-48-hours-of-backup-generator-fuel-could-spawn-disaster/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480040-russian-occupied-chernobyl-has-no-power-and-48-hours-of-backup-generator-fuel-could-spawn-disaster/)

...I'm sure all is well.

Push to Kyiv grows closer and several air raid sirens have been heard - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Suspect the same shelling that Mariupol, Kharkiv and Chernihiv experienced will be seen there soon.

7:37PM local...nothing on cams I can see...but those are so central and limited in view at that point too late has been met.
Not widely known. Some reactors at Chernobyl were still running after the melt down and workers were bused in every day.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2022, 01:32:33 PM
This guy talks about the UA bio labs at 12:00
rumble.com/vx0yxy-so-about-those-biolabs-in-ukraine-ep.-960.html
Lots of propaganda on both sides. He looked into the US side noted that they cited US defense agency sources and web site, and those sites were recently taken down and scrubbed. www.dtra.mil (http://www.dtra.mil) 

The US says the labs were not US run. But I recall the US said they were US funded.

I read elsewhere that the labs were level 2 and for food safety. If so why worry.
IMO the US shot their credibility thanks to Wuhan. US says these were to remove threats and dismantle USSR bioweapons.

The US govt said to visit this site for more info. 
www.dtra.mil (http://www.dtra.mil)

This guy tries to pull up links to funding grants and they were missing. Funding was from US DOD, not NIH.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2022, 01:38:18 PM
Found this on vox day.
I recall that the Kiev govt was going to launch a major offensive on the East but I have no links. Maybe it was some captured plans or statements revealed. I recall reading some statement by some Kiev govt or military to that effect. There was a massive build up of Kiev forces around the Eastern provinces. You could say instead those were to defend against Russian invasion. Those forces are now surrounded. Better they had stayed in the west.  I say "Kiev" to distinguish the west from the east.

I also read several places that Russia was very gentle because they thought they would have more civilian support based on previous history. 75% of the Kiev navy defected? However for years Kiev shut down opposition TV networks and media, jailed opposition, supplied their own news,  and this had an effect.

Also, before, the Kiev troops facing the Donbas were from that region. They were replaced over years with anti Russian troops from the West.


https://voxday.net/2022/03/10/underestimating-the-enemy/
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https://thesaker.is/the-opinion-of-a-professional-about-the-special-operation-in-ukraine-must-read/


The opinion of a professional about the special operation in Ukraine (MUST READ!)
35351 Views March 09, 2022 102 Comments

Note by the Saker: one of our readers today sent me a very interesting document in Russian.  First, I thought “more of the same” (5th columnist stuff) but then I started reading it and I changed my mind.  This was clearly written by a military professional, his name is Alexander Dubrovsky.
...
We underestimated the enemy’s power of informational, ideological, psychological resistance, they were waiting for us. Literally on the very first day, with one click of American bloody fingers, they deprived us of the support of the civilian population and those AFU units ready to become neutral. Millions of dollars, thousands of IT guys, global media corporations cut Ukraine off from any objective information, it stank in our country.

And our main losses were in the first three days. Now they will be rapidly reduced. Peacekeeping and humanitarian operations, like the Crimean one— are no longer carried out by the Russian army. The fighters received other orders, got involved, got angry, regrouped, any hopes for active support from the civilian population and those parts of the AFU who had changed their mind were dispelled.
...
There were few flowers and bread loaves to be seen, the people have been crushed by propaganda and lies, intimidated into insanity by the Nazis. Another important point was missed in the calculations — almost 600 thousand Ukrainians have passed through the ATO zone in the Donbas since 2014, today they have replenished the territorial defense everywhere, many have something to fear.
...

This is a war unfamiliar to us veterans. The Russians bent over backwards to avoid collateral civilian damage. This effort was not rewarded due to the successful propagandization of the Ukrainian people. While Russia is still not targeting civilians, it is no longer accepting the higher risks to its soldiers required to avoid collateral damage.

We beat them to it by a week or two, starting our own special operation. This is why Putin ordered the attack when he did, and why the timing came as a surprise even to some of the Russian generals. It’s also how the Russians managed to surround 22 brigades – previously estimated by outsiders to be 10-12 brigades – in the Donbass Pocket.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2022, 03:27:15 PM
This guy talks about the UA bio labs at 12:00
rumble.com/vx0yxy-so-about-those-biolabs-in-ukraine-ep.-960.html
Lots of propaganda on both sides. He looked into the US side noted that they cited US defense agency sources and web site, and those sites were recently taken down and scrubbed. www.dtra.mil (http://www.dtra.mil) 

The US says the labs were not US run. But I recall the US said they were US funded.

I read elsewhere that the labs were level 2 and for food safety. If so why worry.
IMO the US shot their credibility thanks to Wuhan. US says these were to remove threats and dismantle USSR bioweapons.

The US govt said to visit this site for more info. 
www.dtra.mil (http://www.dtra.mil)

This guy tries to pull up links to funding grants and they were missing. Funding was from US DOD, not NIH.

DOD could be connected as I believe some of the labs were studying for germ resistance, which would come in handy for new NBC equipment and medical treatment...and being in a former Soviet satellite state could have had local samples to play with.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2022, 03:38:00 PM
Found this on vox day.
I recall that the Kiev govt was going to launch a major offensive on the East but I have no links. Maybe it was some captured plans or statements revealed. I recall reading some statement by some Kiev govt or military to that effect. There was a massive build up of Kiev forces around the Eastern provinces. You could say instead those were to defend against Russian invasion. Those forces are now surrounded. Better they had stayed in the west.  I say "Kiev" to distinguish the west from the east.

I also read several places that Russia was very gentle because they thought they would have more civilian support based on previous history. 75% of the Kiev navy defected? However for years Kiev shut down opposition TV networks and media, jailed opposition, supplied their own news,  and this had an effect.

Also, before, the Kiev troops facing the Donbas were from that region. They were replaced over years with anti Russian troops from the West.


https://voxday.net/2022/03/10/underestimating-the-enemy/
Quote
https://thesaker.is/the-opinion-of-a-professional-about-the-special-operation-in-ukraine-must-read/


The opinion of a professional about the special operation in Ukraine (MUST READ!)
35351 Views March 09, 2022 102 Comments

Note by the Saker: one of our readers today sent me a very interesting document in Russian.  First, I thought “more of the same” (5th columnist stuff) but then I started reading it and I changed my mind.  This was clearly written by a military professional, his name is Alexander Dubrovsky.
...
We underestimated the enemy’s power of informational, ideological, psychological resistance, they were waiting for us. Literally on the very first day, with one click of American bloody fingers, they deprived us of the support of the civilian population and those AFU units ready to become neutral. Millions of dollars, thousands of IT guys, global media corporations cut Ukraine off from any objective information, it stank in our country.

And our main losses were in the first three days. Now they will be rapidly reduced. Peacekeeping and humanitarian operations, like the Crimean one— are no longer carried out by the Russian army. The fighters received other orders, got involved, got angry, regrouped, any hopes for active support from the civilian population and those parts of the AFU who had changed their mind were dispelled.
...
There were few flowers and bread loaves to be seen, the people have been crushed by propaganda and lies, intimidated into insanity by the Nazis. Another important point was missed in the calculations — almost 600 thousand Ukrainians have passed through the ATO zone in the Donbas since 2014, today they have replenished the territorial defense everywhere, many have something to fear.
...

This is a war unfamiliar to us veterans. The Russians bent over backwards to avoid collateral civilian damage. This effort was not rewarded due to the successful propagandization of the Ukrainian people. While Russia is still not targeting civilians, it is no longer accepting the higher risks to its soldiers required to avoid collateral damage.

We beat them to it by a week or two, starting our own special operation. This is why Putin ordered the attack when he did, and why the timing came as a surprise even to some of the Russian generals. It’s also how the Russians managed to surround 22 brigades – previously estimated by outsiders to be 10-12 brigades – in the Donbass Pocket.
...

The East and South are definitely more saturated and as a result I don't think we can rely on "news" from East or West that will tell the "whole" truth of anything...and we may never learn years later...

Is what it is...

I know Kiev/Kyiv is center stage, thought Odessa was of interest but perhaps only in mop up...

Lots of sirens going off in Kyiv today so the Russians must be inching closer...and not sure who said the bit about Russians avoiding civilians (seems to really hate Ukrainians bad), in the cities it sounds like not...but is there confirmation they are going door to door like the American's in Iraq?  Large force movements in Iraq bypassed many cities and sped towards Baghdad leave air assets to use smart bombs on military targets in the country and cities...I see no "smart weapons" used by Russian in Ukraine...there are videos of cruise missiles and mortars hitting building and streets indiscriminately...and little flying in recent weeks and not sure if that is a Stinger/Manpads concern but everything seems to be ground operation only.  Some reports put the Russians only 3 miles away from the city.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2022, 04:13:44 PM

I see propaganda on both sides. Although the Russian central govt gave orders not to report without permission so there has been little news coming from Russia. Kiev is winning the PR/propaganda war by far. Russia is winning the ground war.

IMO Russia does not want to govern Kiev. Kiev would be pain in the butt. I could not find a number but Odessa is vastly Russian. I heard one guy say it was hard to find a Ukrainian speaker in the city to sign govt papers. That sounds extreme but he said it. Odessa may prove too tempting to give up. Absent some land bridge, UA could become land locked.

If the map below is accurate ......

(https://voxday.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/image-3-768x488.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2022, 04:35:41 PM
It looks thicker than my UA link...so the "truth" might be more between the two, but directionally they look alike.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2022, 04:50:36 PM
I keep reading that the Russians are going to invade cities like Kiev. Why bother? Surround them and wait.
Maybe I am missing something. I can see the advantage of taking a port city like Odessa, but Russia could take their time.
The Russians can allow people out like they did in Syria. I heard that any mayor wanting to make nice with Russia will be executed. Also Zelensky. He is screwed.

I grew up hearing last letters from Stalingrad on  PBS radio every Christmas. As I recall, the German 6th Army was surrounded. They had to surrender. The generals wanted to retreat before winter but Hitler micromanaged.

Germans surrounded Leningrad and 1.5 million died. Why waste bullets and troops when you do not have to?

BTW the "Hardcore History" cheap/free audio book series is very good. Also Enemy at the Gates is an accurate movie.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2022, 08:54:14 AM
This seems desperate - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-send-fighters-middle-east-ukraine-despite-peace-optimism (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-send-fighters-middle-east-ukraine-despite-peace-optimism)
"Volunteers"...Syrians?  Volunteered by Assad no doubt.  Why do they need them?

I see no real change 24 hours later - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Disbursed seems to indicate an attempt to avoid juicy ambush targets...indicating ambushes are taking a toll - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/satellite-images-appear-show-russian-convoy-near-kyiv-has-dispersed-redeployed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/satellite-images-appear-show-russian-convoy-near-kyiv-has-dispersed-redeployed)

Well, if they are getting ambushed as much as some claim, it might be holding up any intent to enter Kyiv...

And if true, then...why are people so worried about Russia?

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/82a1818ce0dda7c21c5c4b47b639ca96b54a36c69c6f4bfd9417114cfcfe72ac.jpg)
H/T-WZ

Seems a big fuss over nothing...an argument to throw in the towel...agree to some reasonable partition of Ukraine...have America pull of of NATO and let Euro's handle the Teddy Bear!   ::whoohoo::

On the other hand, if the slow movement is purposeful and has nothing to do with resistance encountered...I think it a risky move to wait it out and starve people in the city...it's more bad PR for Russia, it drags this on longer with all of the attendant risks and spawning of more schemes and invites Ukrainians to strike at static lines...and...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screenshot-2022-03-10-214836-768x460.png (https://www.weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Screenshot-2022-03-10-214836-768x460.png)
H/T-WZ

...and Russian bonds are in technical default.

Can the ChiComs really cover this much pain?  I doubt they can cover it all...

As for labs...seems it is still a finfer-pointing side-show...but with WHO involved (just like in Wuhan) I'm sure the BS is about to get bigger...wouldn't surprise me if the ChiCom's had a hand in these too, though we won't get the WHO or anyone admit that...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-told-ukraine-destroy-high-threat-pathogens-prevent-disease-spread (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/who-told-ukraine-destroy-high-threat-pathogens-prevent-disease-spread)

But, appears the side-show wants to entertain the UNSC...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-calls-un-security-council-meeting-over-biological-activities-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-calls-un-security-council-meeting-over-biological-activities-ukraine)

...which seems to be a Hail Mary PR play at best since the US can return the Russian veto on any action.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 11, 2022, 10:49:38 AM
Has anyone seen the tossing of bodies into a mass trench on our media. Saw it last nite on Univision, gruesome. Too bad I dropped Spanish 60 years ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2022, 02:17:21 PM

I read different versions about the biolabs. One was that they related to food safety and were level 2 labs. Then were are told the contents are very dangerous. They were funded by US military budgets and the links to the grants recently vanished.
Tucker Carlson had some good comments about the bio labs. They had 17 years to remove USSR bio weapons ig that was their function. What exactly where they doing?
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-questions-biolabs-ukraine-everyone-asking (https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-questions-biolabs-ukraine-everyone-asking)

Thanks to Wuhan lab and Fauci, the US govt had less credibility than Russia.



Map at 7:30 from the Guardian followed by repetition of the MSM narrative from reporters staying in Kiev. Mostly about Kiev.
https://youtu.be/U9uZLn35tzw?t=451 (https://youtu.be/U9uZLn35tzw?t=451)

Map at 10:24 followed by Russian narrative, mostly about the east. Likely map from Russia?
https://youtu.be/U9uZLn35tzw?t=624 (https://youtu.be/U9uZLn35tzw?t=624)

IMO the Russians are following their plan to encircle the UA army in the East and some big cities. They did not mean to invade Kiev or kill Zelensky.  They need a functioning govt to negotiate with. They do not want to destroy the UA govt. The US did that in Iraq, fired every Baath party member, and chaos was the result.

Good commentary from some Russia expert. Russia had lots of reserves and a small debt but many were in foreign central banks and they did not expect those to be seized.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTLXe8qId5A&t=1600s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTLXe8qId5A&t=1600s)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2022, 02:34:29 PM
Has anyone seen the tossing of bodies into a mass trench on our media. Saw it last nite on Univision, gruesome. Too bad I dropped Spanish 60 years ago.

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AC, just FYI, that clip is debunked as having nothing to do with Ukraine/Russia. It is from an Austrian ‘climate’ protest where protesters dramatically wrapped themselves in ‘body bags’, Greta Thunberg-style. #Foxfail.

From here:  https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-03-11-2022/ (https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-03-11-2022/)

Comment by "Indigo Arc"

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 11, 2022, 02:51:15 PM
Never did find that post but if those body bags I saw being tossed one on top of another had protesters in them they're some sore protesters, I pity the ones on the bottom
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 11, 2022, 03:05:31 PM
Never did find that post but if those body bags I saw being tossed one on top of another had protesters in them they're some sore protesters, I pity the ones on the bottom

Yep, but how would anybody know if there were even really bodies in those bags?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 11, 2022, 03:09:48 PM
Like I said, I wish I didn't drop Spanish. Their reporters are right there in the mix, not like ours. I guess I can't really compare since I don't watch ours ::thinking::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2022, 03:18:00 PM
Has anyone seen the tossing of bodies into a mass trench on our media. Saw it last nite on Univision, gruesome. Too bad I dropped Spanish 60 years ago.

Quote
AC, just FYI, that clip is debunked as having nothing to do with Ukraine/Russia. It is from an Austrian ‘climate’ protest where protesters dramatically wrapped themselves in ‘body bags’, Greta Thunberg-style. #Foxfail.

From here:  https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-03-11-2022/ (https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/news-briefs-03-11-2022/)

Comment by "Indigo Arc"

I saw a different clip of bodies being tossed into a trench.

Here is another link to the fake attack.
https://turnbackhoax.id/2022/03/11/false-the-doctored-ukrainian-health-ministry-57-dead-169-hurt-across-ukraine-as-russia-launches-attack-video/ (https://turnbackhoax.id/2022/03/11/false-the-doctored-ukrainian-health-ministry-57-dead-169-hurt-across-ukraine-as-russia-launches-attack-video/)
https://youtu.be/2o3Rph8DcUY (https://youtu.be/2o3Rph8DcUY)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2022, 12:35:55 PM
That's not Spanish...it's German.  Climate Cultists video recycled...why we even talking about that?

In Ukraine news...

I see only a little more movement along existing paths.

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

I did see a clip where those "dispersed" armor from the column came under attack in the Brovary area...Ukes on foot hit some armor, then some armor responded.  The dispersal is going to still take hits but not like bunched on a road, but the going will be slowed as a result.  And choke points the closer you press in the more opportunity to score bigger hits.  You may be correct that Putin doesn't want to enter Kyiv but not for negotiation reasons...rather for not running up his casualty count.  In the attack video it was interesting how the Russian troops ran away from the battle in the opposite direction of the Uke fire instead of joining the charge.  That may keep foot soldiers alive but it leaves the armor on its own.  So much for coordinated attack ability, and no air support at all.  Ukes still have drones hitting armor targets too.

Meanwhile, the Rus threaten to leave the American on the ISS behind...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-threatens-leave-us-astronaut-and-abandon-space-station (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-threatens-leave-us-astronaut-and-abandon-space-station)

...IMO that has to be hyperbole...if Putin is stupid enough to be that despicable then what is to stop any form of retaliation? 

As for this I think it is silly to expect anything...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-its-ready-resume-strategic-arms-reduction-treaty-talks-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-its-ready-resume-strategic-arms-reduction-treaty-talks-us)

...they might be flying soon and that is the only reduction in stockpiles I can foresee.

And this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-threatens-attack-nato-weapons-shipments-ukraine-legitimate-targets (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-threatens-attack-nato-weapons-shipments-ukraine-legitimate-targets)

...since ingress and egress of transfers is covert, so too can be the defense of any attempted interdiction or attack.

And this story bears monitoring, though likely in a post-mortem sense, as I don't know how much we can rely on anybody's info on this while it is unfolding...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/03/12/ukrainian-killing-field-belarusian-hospitals-are-reportedly-overflowing-with-rus-n2604464 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/03/12/ukrainian-killing-field-belarusian-hospitals-are-reportedly-overflowing-with-rus-n2604464)

...all I know for certain is that the Russians did set up extensive hospital tents in their Belarus & Russia staging points...and that it cannot be discounted that Putin would consider anything to suppress the true body count (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2022/02/25/russians-have-mobile-crematoriums-in-ukraine-to-cook-the-books-on-their-casualty-n2603516) of this invasion, but all it could do is postpone the outrage at home when families learn their "missing" are not found anywhere in Ukraine after the dust settles...and nobody is saying where they are.

I did see something new on the flight overwatch front.  For a long time now US & NATO nations have been doing Rivet Joint monitoring from the borders of Belarus, Moldova and the Black Sea...they can snoop 2500 miles inside borders at high altitude, and tankers have been in the air by the several indicating fighters on CAP have been up a long time...and heavy-movers (troops/equipment) the globe over have been buzzing more since this all started...but now I saw this morning a Rivet Joint (JAKE11) divert from a North/South Belarus border pattern to circling Konigberg (what the Rus call Kalinigrad since Soviet days)...making me wonder if action in the Baltics is brewing.

IMO that would guarantee WWIII.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 12, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
Sorry, I seriously doubt the reporters from Telemundo & Univision are speaking German. ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2022, 04:47:46 PM
Dude, Pat's last link clip sure didn't sound Spanish to me, sounded harsh and guttural...

https://youtu.be/2o3Rph8DcUY

Turn up your volume...it's fricken German...the dude's name is emblazoned as Marvin Bergauer , "Wien: Demo gegen Klimapolitik" is German.  Did you think this was a Spanish link???

 ::speechless::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: paulh on March 13, 2022, 05:33:40 AM
I thought you were referring to my previous post. Your link is not what I saw on Univision
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2022, 12:30:59 PM
Pat's link, not mine...anyway...lost in translation... LOL

Latest news...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/ny-times-journalist-brent-renaud-shot-killed-outskirts-kyiv/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/ny-times-journalist-brent-renaud-shot-killed-outskirts-kyiv/)

Well...like oligarchs in any nation...MFM reporters...kinda hard to work up much sympathy for, eh?

And since I don't follow fighting sports much...no idea Mayor of Kyiv was WBO heavyweight champion...kind of an interesting read...

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700968 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-700968)

...he was pretty neutral on the advice by Israeli PM to Zelensky to accept the Russian surrender terms...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israels-pm-bennett-told-zelensky-accept-putins-terms-ending-war-report (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israels-pm-bennett-told-zelensky-accept-putins-terms-ending-war-report)

...and there is even disagreement in Israel on what was advocated or by who...so Klitschko was probably wise to stay neutral.

And, since JoeFraud ended all the positive foreign policy initiatives Trump achieved...driving India back into Russian arms was inevitable...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-mulling-rupee-ruble-payments-system-trade-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/india-mulling-rupee-ruble-payments-system-trade-russia)

...all these Marxist punks are doing is destroying America within and without!

But is Putin lets Belarus go into Ukraine...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10603637/Now-Belarus-set-invade-Ukraine-Kyiv-claims-Lukashenkos-forces-cross-border-tonight.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10603637/Now-Belarus-set-invade-Ukraine-Kyiv-claims-Lukashenkos-forces-cross-border-tonight.html)

...I think the scat will hit the fan.

Frankly, I think Russia isn't going to stop at Ukraine...I think Moldova is in play for certain...and trouble brewing to the North could pop at anytime, so scat on fan is probably still a legitimate bet.

And, nice to see the Climate Cultists worried about nuclear war...albeit for the wrong reasons...but since they're concerned, all the woke morons and sundry leftist mouth-breathers have ready protection available...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5d2acf770d932ddec97132f868c23f60f6db193741c28404bc0e6beecbdd8fb9.jpg)
H/T-WZ
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2022, 02:38:08 PM


I found thus 2016 video with Eng subtitles from a French reporter. The first 2 min worth watching for sure IMO.

https://youtu.be/YMAsASgVvSA
 
Donbas 2016 - ( English Subs ) documentary by Anne-Laure Bonnel
Anne-Laure Bonnel, a young director and mother of a French family, decided to accompany Alexander, a father of Ukrainian family, to the Donbas region of eastern Ukraine in a pro-Russian zone. At the heart of the war, she captures the terrible images of a deadly conflict and an unprecedented humanitarian disaster.
This film until now was only to be found in Russian with French subtitles on YouTube, that’s why I decided to offer a version with subtitles in English and German
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2022, 08:04:36 AM
Heh, yeah...the history of the region can only go back so far...else somebody else's ox gets gored...so lets stop history, umm right here...yeah, that's the ticket!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2022, 11:53:21 AM
Latest news...

ChiComs hurting...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-ukraine-invasion-bad-news-chinas-belt-and-road-ambitions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-ukraine-invasion-bad-news-chinas-belt-and-road-ambitions)

Yeah, that's a shame...   ::smallestviolin::

Looks to me, some anonymous baiting intended to cause some friction in the Rus-CCP relationship...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-urging-chinas-military-help-ukraine-biden-admin-says-sunday-afternoon-media (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-urging-chinas-military-help-ukraine-biden-admin-says-sunday-afternoon-media)

...I don't see ChiCom's providing any direct or indirect military support to Russia...as it would complicate the CCP's own exploitation of events for its own purposes with respect to the Pacific rim and it's economic aims for the globe.

Again, we'll see where such theatrics lead.

And, outside of the usual steady tanker/E3/RiverJoint monitoring of the region by the West nothing else out of the ordinary.

Things on the ground look static - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Some sporadic activity around Kyiv, TV towers hit West of Kyiv, some concentration of Russians around Luhansk region impacting civilian evacuations, Sumy being hit again...it's all sporadic most places...

Talks, sanctions, blah blah blah...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-14 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-14)

Branco cartoon pretty accurate from an average citizens point of view...

(https://i.imgur.com/JfPakAhl.jpg)

...Earth has finally reached true equality...all are ruled by psychotic assholes.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on March 14, 2022, 11:07:03 PM
 U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources (https://t.me/s/dsmpnexus/3711) (scroll up one click to view video with subtitles)

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US biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources including Russian MoD, US Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, and more! ?? INERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS PROHIBITION VIOLATED BY THE USA!!! DEEP STATE BUSTED!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 07:56:33 AM
U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources (https://t.me/s/dsmpnexus/3711) (scroll up one click to view video with subtitles)

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US biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources including Russian MoD, US Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, and more! ?? INERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS PROHIBITION VIOLATED BY THE USA!!! DEEP STATE BUSTED!

An election was stolen too...got BUSTED upside down and all around...last time I checked they all got away with that too...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 09:06:11 AM
War is sputtering out...maybe those rumors that the Russians don't have enough troops to completely surround Kyiv are true...maybe the rumors about Belarus entering are true as well?

Anyway, another technical pause, more meetings...some shells and rockets here and there...

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Still have tankers et al, E-3's and snoopers patrolling the skies along the borders...

Meanwhile, back in Clown Town Mittens seems to be picking on somebody outside his weight class...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tulsi-gabbard-smeared-treasonous-liar-sen-romney-over-ukraine-biolab-concerns (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tulsi-gabbard-smeared-treasonous-liar-sen-romney-over-ukraine-biolab-concerns)

...would enjoy seeing that beta-boy get his DeceptiCon ass kicked!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 11:56:22 AM
This is symbolic only...but still kinda funny...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-15 (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-15)

This however is a bit more serious...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-signs-law-seize-foreign-aircraft-amid-crippling-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-signs-law-seize-foreign-aircraft-amid-crippling-sanctions)

...nationalizing another companies assets is a going to cause a ripple effect...

...but, whatever...soon everybody will be fully self-absorbed.

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/petrodollar-cracks-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-chinese-oil-sales (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/petrodollar-cracks-saudi-arabia-considers-accepting-yuan-chinese-oil-sales)

...good luck with the Yuan...I find this much more interesting -

According to the report, the talks with China over yuan-priced oil contracts have been off and on for six years but have accelerated this year as the Saudis have grown increasingly unhappy with decades-old U.S. security commitments to defend the kingdom.

The Saudis are angry over the U.S.’s lack of support for their intervention in the Yemen civil war, and over the Biden administration’s attempt to strike a deal with Iran over its nuclear program. Saudi officials have said they were shocked by the precipitous U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan last year.

Right, wrong or indifferent on the issue of "American security" commitment...only one thing has materially altered the world this past year...The Steal and the installation of a corrupt illegitimate Biden government...none of the above was a problem under Trump...now, everything is a problem because this vile government wants to destroy everything.

Kinda makes it hard to GAFF about any of these jackasses...doesn't it?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2022, 02:06:20 PM
^^^
All these sanctions have ripple effects. I think the US froze the Russian central bank assets in the US and  other countries did the same. I read that the fed thinks this is crazy and will harm the US but they were not even consulted.
Meanwhile, the US seized the Afghanistan central bank assets and gave half to the already well compensated 9/11 victims and half to their butt buddies in NGOs. Afghans are starving but who cares.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2022, 02:14:18 PM
U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources (https://t.me/s/dsmpnexus/3711) (scroll up one click to view video with subtitles)

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US biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources including Russian MoD, US Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, and more! ?? INERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS PROHIBITION VIOLATED BY THE USA!!! DEEP STATE BUSTED!

Mittens rips Tulsi for saying there are biolabs in UA. She tears him a new A-hole.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mitt-romney-calling-treasonous-liar-destroys/#insticator-commenting (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mitt-romney-calling-treasonous-liar-destroys/#insticator-commenting)

I hope that UA does not release some bio weapons then blame Russia. Remember how easy it was for AQ to stage some fake gas attacks in Syria and make the US AQ's air force?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2022, 02:27:57 PM
Tulsi on the Ukraine "democracy" Ooops
https://youtu.be/505uQahvKvg
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 02:35:14 PM
^^^
All these sanctions have ripple effects. I think the US froze the Russian central bank assets in the US and  other countries did the same. I read that the fed thinks this is crazy and will harm the US but they were not even consulted.
Meanwhile, the US seized the Afghanistan central bank assets and gave half to the already well compensated 9/11 victims and half to their butt buddies in NGOs. Afghans are starving but who cares.

Yes, well, masters-of-the-universe do not have to consult or consider the opinions of minor state functionaries...in the DeepState pecking order they're down around with escorts and personal security...

Didn't hear that about 9/11 survivors...buttbuddies I believe is always the case...and the former Afghan Prez couldn't take all of the pallets of cash with him so a lot was left behind for the tallywhackers...let the poor/starving petition those swell gents.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 02:38:05 PM
U.S. Biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources (https://t.me/s/dsmpnexus/3711) (scroll up one click to view video with subtitles)

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US biolabs in Ukraine confirmed by multiple sources including Russian MoD, US Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing, and more! ?? INERNATIONAL BIOWEAPONS PROHIBITION VIOLATED BY THE USA!!! DEEP STATE BUSTED!

Mittens rips Tulsi for saying there are biolabs in UA. She tears him a new A-hole.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mitt-romney-calling-treasonous-liar-destroys/#insticator-commenting (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tulsi-gabbard-calls-mitt-romney-calling-treasonous-liar-destroys/#insticator-commenting)

I hope that UA does not release some bio weapons then blame Russia. Remember how easy it was for AQ to stage some fake gas attacks in Syria and make the US AQ's air force?

Mittens is a featherweght trying to dance with a light-heavyweight champ...mentally and morally speaking...really wish he would get physical destroyed too...I'd pay good money to watch that!

Thought all the nasty labs under Rus control now???
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2022, 02:46:18 PM
Tulsi on the Ukraine "democracy" Ooops
https://youtu.be/505uQahvKvg

True, Zelensky did what Putin did...

Even better....look what the so-called "democrats" (commie rat bastards every last one of them!) want to do/are doing!

*Demonizing political opponents in the national capitol & state capitols?  Yes.

*Demonizing political opponents in national and big city MarxistMedia outlets?  Yes.

*Illegally holding and persecuting political prisoners in DC?  Yes.

*Using state power to target political opponents up to and including a sitting and former President?  Yes.

*Threatening to persecute political opponents?  Yes.

*Staging false flag hearings and covering up past false flag ops?  Yes.

*Stealing elections and planning to steal more?  Yes.

*For censorship of political enemies?  YEs.

*For denying citizenship to citizens for being political enemies and granting unquestioned citizenship to foreign invaders?  Yes.

*For ending all opposition media permanently?  Yes.

*For stoking racial hatred and promoting deviant sexual perversions?  Yes.

*For removing your right to speech, assembly and right to keep and bear arms?  Yes.

*Admiring the totalitarian BigBrother Chinese Communist Party?  Yes.

*Destroying families, destroying morals, destroying the economy and livelihoods?  Yes.

Is this "democracy"?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2022, 08:56:50 AM
Tyler(z) pimping so-called "neutrality"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-sparks-ceasefire-hope-after-kremlin-says-neutral-ukraine-army-could-be-compromise (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-sparks-ceasefire-hope-after-kremlin-says-neutral-ukraine-army-could-be-compromise)

It's not legitimate "neutrality" if terms are weighted towards Russia's benefit...call me silly, but I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees under the Soviet-like specter of constant threat of violence if my neighbor thinks I'm misbehaving by his criteria.  Best just obliterate the entire nation and rule over ashes.  And I would like nothing better than true legitimate neutrality, no East, no West...nobody telling me WTF to do or how I do it...which in this example would be arming to the teeth with everything I can get my hands on so I can slap either direction if somebody dares mess with me...and establish unilateral agreements only with whoever I wish to contract with.  Bit that will never happen here, I doubt it will happen anywhere.  Also, I would hardly describe Sweden and Austria as model neutral nations...and heck, Putin is threatening Sweden and Finland too, and why?  Easy, they are vulnerable because they are militarily weak on their own.  They should be armed to the teeth as well.

And Putin declined to observe COld Response 2022 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-moves-ahead-military-drills-europe-deploys-30000-troops), I reckon he didn't want to be teased over not having the same consideration extended to the West for the Belarus buildup before the Ukraine invasion.

As for the situation on the ground in Ukraine seems the Rus are still on their slow consolidation of the countryside and not pushing into the big cities...just lobbing some shells and missiles occasionally...seems the action as such is more West of Kyiv and popping sounds can be picked up on city live cams now and then from those miles distant engagements...

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Something different in skies over Romania and Poland...have the Rivet Joint snooper as per usual, tankers, standard E-3's...but today saw a JSTARS E-8C...like an E-3 but more robust and more for attack...reckon they have a need to practice active targeting over the horizon...

And then there is this - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-mulls-sending-new-switchblade-kamikaze-robot-drone-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-mulls-sending-new-switchblade-kamikaze-robot-drone-ukraine)

Well, Jeepers...I'd like some of those!
 :D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
https://www.rt.com/russia/552000-council-europe-withdrawal/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/552000-council-europe-withdrawal/)

I'm jealous...wish we could pull out of Europe...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/)

Well, that's nice...

https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1504102610588127234 (https://twitter.com/TruNews/status/1504102610588127234)

He looks happy... 

/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 16, 2022, 06:26:27 PM
...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/)

Well, that's nice...
...
Thx I needed a good laugh. The court orders Russia out of UA.

Meanwhile this opinion of one guy in UA, Kharkov. He was stuck in Kiev for awhile. UA has lost.

I agree. I recall how easy it was for the fake gas attacks to suck  the US into Syria air support.
Ukraine: A False Flag Is Coming _ Gonzalo Lira
https://rumble.com/vxkpwx-ukraine-a-false-flag-is-coming-gonzalo-lira.html
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2022, 08:02:53 AM
...

https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/ (https://globalnews.ca/news/8687095/world-court-russia-ukraine-war-ruling/)

Well, that's nice...
...
Thx I needed a good laugh. The court orders Russia out of UA.

Meanwhile this opinion of one guy in UA, Kharkov. He was stuck in Kiev for awhile. UA has lost.

I agree. I recall how easy it was for the fake gas attacks to suck  the US into Syria air support.
Ukraine: A False Flag Is Coming _ Gonzalo Lira
https://rumble.com/vxkpwx-ukraine-a-false-flag-is-coming-gonzalo-lira.html

There is odd chatter out of Belarus and not sure if I can suss out anything legitimate but I'll look...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Lordy, is she a lightweight...I mean mentally...

https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0 (https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0)

...as usual she is trying to dance on a tightrope at 80k feet with a defective inner-ear...

...but Jeepers is she dense...

She is one of the 35 Pelosi Pubbies that voted for the nefarious Pelosi Jan6 Kangaroo Court...

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/35-House-Decepticons-v6.jpg)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/16/tucker-carlson-helps-maria-salazar-destroy-her-short-lived-political-career/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/16/tucker-carlson-helps-maria-salazar-destroy-her-short-lived-political-career/)

Anyway, back on topic...

I don't see this European crap trending well...we now have more troops in Europe since 2005...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-war-leading-massive-us-military-buildup-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-war-leading-massive-us-military-buildup-europe)

...and I've seen the daily heavy-mover flights to back it up, as well as the Marines going to Australia.

Heck, yesterday morning over CONUS we had like 25 tankers up!  That's topping off a lot of fighters/bombers.  Like a squadron of fighters or a bomber or more depending on load need.

Slow change on the ground...seems Eastern theater has the most violence still - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

E3 up on patrol along the borders again.

Cannot find much on Belarus...they only have 62k active personnel and 6 active combat brigades, there has been some social media posts about citizens volunteering to fight for Ukraine that may or may not be propaganda, and statements by senior military leaders saying they do not want to enter Ukraine  that also may or may not be propaganda...but the murkiest may be the reports of Russian air raids along Belarus-Ukraine border to prod action.  I would think Belarus entering beside Russia would escalate matters, so the Russians with their Syrian and Chechen mercenaries and separatist allies will have to continue to carry the load.

ETA-

OK, have to snort at this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-affirms-friendship-ukraine-vows-never-attack-amid-us-accusations (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-affirms-friendship-ukraine-vows-never-attack-amid-us-accusations)

How about Taiwan?   ::pokeineye::

And, a Medvedev sighting...

Dmitry Medvedev, who served as president from 2008 to 2012 and is now deputy secretary of Russia's Security Council, said the United States had stoked "disgusting" Russophobia in an attempt to force Russia to its knees.

"It will not work - Russia has the might to put all of our brash enemies in their place," Medvedev asserted.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reports-major-progress-ukraine-talks-wrong-bidens-putin-remark-unforgiveable (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reports-major-progress-ukraine-talks-wrong-bidens-putin-remark-unforgiveable)

Baiting with language of the Western lefty...threats...

JoeFraud calling Putin a war criminal...

Yeah, this is ratcheting down...go back to your regularly scheduled domestic sop!

As for this...I hesitate posting it...but...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/96b292759aa0d11632270421f76a6bdcbd68bd49232fe760db32b5e1cbb2b42e.jpg)
H/T-WZ

...I call total BS on that!  That reads like the kind of fantasy jibberish we saw Q-Anon put out in the Trump years that was equal parts wrong, scattershot lucky and nonsensical filler...we know about the Clinton Crime Syndicate, the Biden Crime Family, the other pol's dirt, the Epstein and related perverse filth, The Steal, the bogus Russia Collusion/Mueller witch hunt, all the coups past and present...

And it has all resulted in a big fat stinking NOTHING!!!

Anybody believing this dreck is being suckered by the same people perpetrating past and current plots against us!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2022, 02:37:22 PM
Lordy, is she a lightweight...I mean mentally...

https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0 (https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0)

...as usual she is trying to dance on a tightrope at 80k feet with a defective inner-ear...

...but Jeepers is she dense...

She is one of the 35 Pelosi Pubbies that voted for the nefarious Pelosi Jan6 Kangaroo Court...
 ...

I saw part of that clip last night. She scared me with her idiot talk. She said that Russia was losing and would resort to chem/bio weapons.  I recall she wanted the US to intervene and risk nuclear war.

IMO that means that the ground is being prepared for the UA govt to stage a gas attack to bring in the US just like AQ did in Syria with their fake gas attacks. If there is a gas release 99% of the MSM will blame Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2022, 02:59:32 PM
Lordy, is she a lightweight...I mean mentally...

https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0 (https://youtu.be/YSxnyA_8RI0)

...as usual she is trying to dance on a tightrope at 80k feet with a defective inner-ear...

...but Jeepers is she dense...

She is one of the 35 Pelosi Pubbies that voted for the nefarious Pelosi Jan6 Kangaroo Court...
 ...

I saw part of that clip last night. She scared me with her idiot talk. She said that Russia was losing and would resort to chem/bio weapons.  I recall she wanted the US to intervene and risk nuclear war.

IMO that means that the ground is being prepared for the UA govt to stage a gas attack to bring in the US just like AQ did in Syria with their fake gas attacks. If there is a gas release 99% of the MSM will blame Russia.

See her ridiculous explanation for her earlier question on the street about the no fly zone and shooting down Russian planes?  Idiot trying to say her affirmative answer was taken out of context...that she meant she understood what she was being asked not that she agreed with it...

What a load of rat droppings!!!

Same jibberish on not telling Zelensky what to do then telling others what they have to do...

Carlson needs to institute interview abortions...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2022, 03:29:15 PM




Interesting channel on youtube bc there is almost no other coverage of the eastern UA.
Some guy with a camera who speaks poor Russian. He has been there for many years. Also Armenia.

The rest of the press are in hotel bars in Kiev reporting on the lack of Russian progress in Kiev, therefore that means Russian defeat.
IMO the Russians do not care much about Kiev other than to apply pressure there.
The Duran reported that Kiev is sending more troops into the cauldron in the east for political reasons. To the extent the troops can still get in.

https://youtu.be/mWQh2XJtGYk
Shelling Attack Hits Donetsk Destroying Home
72,876 views
Mar 15, 2022

Patrick Lancaster
137K subscribers
https://youtu.be/ANNhDKGjNK8
Dozens Killed By Ukrainian Cluster Bomb Attack On Center Donetsk
163,075 views
Mar 14, 2022
Patrick Lancaster
137K subscribers

Much earlier video from feb 27. Mostly DPR troops advancing.
https://youtu.be/-eiNmxCJC4s
DPR & Russia Military Charging Toward Ukraine Territory In the Volnovakha area
129,747 views
Feb 27, 2022
Patrick Lancaster
137K subscribers
With DPR &  Russia Military Charging Toward Ukraine Territory In the Volnovakha area and into newly captured territory.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2022, 10:13:23 PM


This 13 min history video came up to remind me that NATO is not a benevolent defensive organization. The MSM kinda buries this history.

https://youtu.be/K_qpiujkqhU
How Western Propaganda Destroyed Libya (and Got Away with it)

https://youtu.be/2ZHafA6dVBs
What Was Libya Like 20 Years Ago?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2022, 08:33:13 AM
Yah, don't care about the breakaways...and news out of there is likely propaganda from one source or another anyway...

Don't know what NATO has to do with Libya...

Do I care about Muslim on Muslim theft and violence?  Do I care what Euro-Clowns like France does with those crazies?  Do I bear any responsibility for Obama/Clinton activities in Libya and stoking the wider Arab Spring bullsh!t?  Do I care if a Marxist Muslim ruled petro-kingdom is stable? 

It's like a laundry list of stuff I don't care about and as far as I can tell NATO didn't drive any of it...it was along for the ride...and like anything if the US was no longer attached to NATO not giving a crap what Euro's and warlords do would be limited by their actions against us...not other assholes.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2022, 10:03:06 AM
Today's news...

A clear case of it isn't the message, it's the messenger giving it...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-blames-western-ruling-elite-global-economic-problems (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-blames-western-ruling-elite-global-economic-problems)

PCR may hope the message gets to we the oppressed who in turn tell our oppressors to back off...but it is childish to believe the oppressors will give the slightest damn...they haven't yet, in fact they convene kangroo courts to legitimize totalitarian actions against us and imprison us without due process...he even acknowledges this reality...so, really it is more pissing into a hurricane, nothing more.  We know we are oppressed, we know we are being demonized, lied about, targeted and if they had their way would already be loading cattle cars, ovens and mass graves.

What is the problem?  Simple, being easily and in some cases willing dupes of a poor messenger.  IMO Putin hurts our cause at home instead of helping it.  It gives Quislings like this the encouragement to appease the Marxist talking points! (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/17/dan-crenshaw-says-if-you-dont-support-war-against-russia-if-you-question-our-involvement-in-ukraine-you-are-a-putin-apologist/)  Putin is no hero, he is in reality the top oligarch in an empire wanting to regain its former size and influence and ensure its continental dominance in energy, arms and nuclear technology, period.  If this message came from Alexei Navalny it would carry more moral authority, more gravitas...and as such it would be infinitely more difficult to allow our oppressors to link us knee-jerk to the person of Vladimir Putin.  We would then be in the better position PCR wishes us to be in.  Maybe I am the few, the outnumbered who can acknowledge the accuracy of the message and the inadequacy of the messenger in this drama, and if so, so be it.  I am used to being alone, but I have no evidence I am in error.  I never have and never will be able to choose a lesser evil for mere convenience sake.  All that matters to me is truth, nothing else matters.

As for the situation on the ground in Ukraine, seems status quo.  The link below has a decent rundown of what's currently happening.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-18 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-18)

Highlights seems to be Mariupol being squeezed harder, negotiators still sparring, Russia no fly zone in East, chatter of more sanctions, Russian debt rating lowered again and seeing where meetings with Xi (JoeFraud) and Macron (Putin) go.  Nice to see an agreement on 9 humanitarian routes opened for refugees.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2022, 12:53:48 PM
Leveraging on the previously mentioned "propaganda" problem...hard to get truth out of the breakaway areas in the East...reports of pro-Russian fighters targeting civilians including kids, bit how to confirm?  Likewise, coming out of Russia news can be confusing.  There is the more visible social media clips of people speaking out against the war being shuffled off by police, that seems more legit, then there stuff like this...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480255-putin-arrests-his-own-military-chief-for-leaking-info/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480255-putin-arrests-his-own-military-chief-for-leaking-info/)

How do we know this is true?  There are similar reports of high-ranking IC officers being sacked and jailed.  True or not?  I don't think anybody can say with certainty.

In other news...

Material being pulled from the far East to the Ukraine theater?  Seems there may be some of that going on.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/03/17/national/russian-ships-off-japan/ (https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2022/03/17/national/russian-ships-off-japan/)

Reports of Syrian mercenaries seems legit too.

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701597 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-701597)

But until confirmed on the ground...to be determined.

And I find it interesting that this anonymous CIA training info comes out now...

https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html (https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-secret-cia-training-program-in-ukraine-helped-kyiv-prepare-for-russian-invasion-090052743.html)

...and as far as I can tell the only confirmation it may in fact be true is if the reports of high-ranking Russian officers (at least 2 generals possibly) being killed are true and if this is why some movement has been slow.

Today's map via Daily Mail seems roughly accurate from what I know, though I think the UA map shows a little more penetration around Kyiv than this shows.

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/03/16/21/55430857-10619493-image-a-16_1647464848190.jpg)

There is also something I watched, a long clip by a Pakistani military analyst...I'm not posting the link because it is long and because it seems it is his opinion, but it is a disturbing enough opinion that if true does not bode well for peace and stability...anywhere...but as I say it is this one guy's opinion and finding proof for it would be a scoop of monumental importance.  Basically he floated the thought that this was a trap baited for Putin to enter, to make a large incursion into Ukraine possible...so that in a very near date the West could pounce and destroy Putin's forces and allies.  As I said, very speculative...and insane if that is a real plan.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
Yah, don't care about the breakaways...and news out of there is likely propaganda from one source or another anyway...

Don't know what NATO has to do with Libya...

Do I care about Muslim on Muslim theft and violence?  Do I care what Euro-Clowns like France does with those crazies?  Do I bear any responsibility for Obama/Clinton activities in Libya and stoking the wider Arab Spring bullsh!t?  Do I care if a Marxist Muslim ruled petro-kingdom is stable? 

It's like a laundry list of stuff I don't care about and as far as I can tell NATO didn't drive any of it...it was along for the ride...and like anything if the US was no longer attached to NATO not giving a crap what Euro's and warlords do would be limited by their actions against us...not other assholes.

I recall NATO was involved. US, France, and UK for sure.
UN health organizations gathered stats on stuff word wide. Literacy, life expectancy, nutrition, children health etc. Libya ranked high compared to others until the US destroyed that. You can believe that or not. You can believe what the people of Libya reported then and now or not.

The video was 13 min long and gave some details and reasons for the US and France to destroy Libya. The US established a no fly zone so that Ghaddafi could not put his country back together. Also bombed the hell out of some huge water works projects. Wonder why so many African countries did not condemn Russia? They know how evil NATO is. A US drone tracked down Ghaddafi so he could be killed after being sodomized on video. Other countries saw what happened after he gave up WMD programs. Not a smart US move in that way. Libya could not have been destroyed without the help of US, France, and UK.

The UK house of commons did a late report on why the UK helped destroyed Libya. In short., no good reason. No factual reason. US congress will do such a study when hell freezes over.

The US govt is a source for evil in the world.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf

(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275975165_5064932240209726_7295520948480102689_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Gp8sculWFScAX8es3Kk&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-APKLcUIirEC9aG0soPxCpTO1yp3oyjGpiDTjFBzyUig&oe=6237E97F)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2022, 03:41:47 PM
Yah, don't care about the breakaways...and news out of there is likely propaganda from one source or another anyway...

Don't know what NATO has to do with Libya...

Do I care about Muslim on Muslim theft and violence?  Do I care what Euro-Clowns like France does with those crazies?  Do I bear any responsibility for Obama/Clinton activities in Libya and stoking the wider Arab Spring bullsh!t?  Do I care if a Marxist Muslim ruled petro-kingdom is stable? 

It's like a laundry list of stuff I don't care about and as far as I can tell NATO didn't drive any of it...it was along for the ride...and like anything if the US was no longer attached to NATO not giving a crap what Euro's and warlords do would be limited by their actions against us...not other assholes.

I recall NATO was involved. US, France, and UK for sure.
UN health organizations gathered stats on stuff word wide. Literacy, life expectancy, nutrition, children health etc. Libya ranked high compared to others until the US destroyed that. You can believe that or not. You can believe what the people of Libya reported then and now or not.

The video was 13 min long and gave some details and reasons for the US and France to destroy Libya. The US established a no fly zone so that Ghaddafi could not put his country back together. Also bombed the hell out of some huge water works projects. Wonder why so many African countries did not condemn Russia? They know how evil NATO is. A US drone tracked down Ghaddafi so he could be killed after being sodomized on video. Other countries saw what happened after he gave up WMD programs. Not a smart US move in that way. Libya could not have been destroyed without the help of US, France, and UK.

The UK house of commons did a late report on why the UK helped destroyed Libya. In short., no good reason. No factual reason. US congress will do such a study when hell freezes over.

The US govt is a source for evil in the world.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmfaff/119/119.pdf

(https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275975165_5064932240209726_7295520948480102689_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Gp8sculWFScAX8es3Kk&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT-APKLcUIirEC9aG0soPxCpTO1yp3oyjGpiDTjFBzyUig&oe=6237E97F)

Still, would it have happened at all if rival Gulf State kingdom's weren't involved?  Or the Arab Spring BS had not been going on?   ::whatgives::

It's hard to GAFF...

Others can commit atrocity in Armenia, or Chechnya or Africa or the 'Stans...Korea, Mongolia, China, Tibet...Cuba, Venezuela, Iran...

Who cares?  Favorite Ox have I none...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2022, 03:18:48 PM


The UK Daily Mail has been a pro Kiev propaganda rag up until now. I wondered how and when they would switch to reality. This may be a start.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10629003/Putin-losing-information-war-Ukraine-losing-battlefield-BILL-ROGGIO.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10629003/Putin-losing-information-war-Ukraine-losing-battlefield-BILL-ROGGIO.html)
Putin may be losing the information war, but Zelensky's NATO concession suggests Ukraine may be losing on the battlefield. The West must not fool itself into thinking otherwise, writes military expert BILL ROGGIO
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2022, 03:21:37 PM
The Sea of Azov is under Russian control now.

The Russians wanted humanitarian corridors in Syria and UA for two reasons.
1. They reduce civilian human shields which make the Russians look bad when killed.
2. Soldiers sneak out with civilians when can, reducing the  military force inside the encirclement.

The military inside hate the humanitarian corridors for the same reasons. I read that UA was delaying negotiations for such humanitarian corridors for these strategic reasons.

ISIS shot fleeing civilians in Syria. UA govt may be doing the same. Short video clip.

https://rumble.com/vxuzwv-heres-a-look-at-survivors-who-just-managed-to-escape-mariupol-you-wont-see-.html
Here’s a look at survivors who just managed to escape Mariupol you won’t see on CNN or NBC
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Here’s a look at the survivors who just managed to escape Mariupol that you won’t see on CNN or NBC - They break down in tears describing how Azov nazis hold the city’s population hostage & 'executed the convoys of civilians who tried to evacuate' to Russia

https://rumble.com/vxuygp-testimony-from-ukraine-citizens.html
Testimony from Ukraine citizens
TruthPatriot17 Published March 19, 2022
Testimony from Ukraine citizens - They were being forced to stay in their houses...were being used as human shields in Mariupol
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2022, 10:58:21 AM
Probably the same reasons we don't see Russians shelling citizens in the East on TASS, Sputnik or whatever...

And we know these "citizens" are Ukrainian citizens and not Russian citizens in Ukraine. how?  Otherwise the story and the Nazi goblins just fades with the rest of the fog...

And Mariupol being in the Pro-Russia dominated East and comprising 45% ethnic Russians makes me think this is propaganda...that and I thought the Nazis were all in the West and not any further East than Kyiv...and with Russians controlling much of the interior and this being a largely ground campaign...these Nazis must be supermen to get that far East and cause this much havoc...

That, and pretty sure nobody has given a crap about the heavily industrialized and exploited East since Soviet days...the pollution is notorious...Mariupol is heavy in iron and chemicals...and their canneries I would avoid like the plague...the Russians can have the sick mess back with my endorsement.

Also, Ukraine agreed to the 9 humanitarian corridors...and citizens are getting out to neighboring countries, especially Poland...

I just don't trust news out of the East by anybody...

The Russians appear to want to split the nation down the middle...

https://liveuamap.com

...but even if the rest of an agreement falls in place...a big sticking point is going to be WTF is going on in the Southwest...if Russia has plans to be a total dick and push West to have a corridor that Ukraine is cut off from any access at all to the Black Sea and Russia links up with their assclowns in Transnistria...setting the stage for future conflicts in Moldova...

Well, might as well push all the buttons now and be done with it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
Russia used KInzhal in Ukraine for the first time...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-says-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-destroyed-ukrainian-weapons-bunker (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-says-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-destroyed-ukrainian-weapons-bunker)

...seems legit, given that the target was in the West and the missile is likely to slow a bit when acquiring final instruction to target and still hauling ass.

If it carried a nuke, well...there'd be no stopping it...only responding to it.

And I don't see Putin sitting down with Zelensky...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-wwiii-assured-if-negotiations-putin-break-down (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-wwiii-assured-if-negotiations-putin-break-down)

...if he did there would have to be resolution...why bother when he can take what he wants?

An expanded war seems unstoppable...and it won't matter who blames whom.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 02:18:37 PM

I think the Azov troops were mixed in with the regular army as commissars/political officers/enforcers and they are in the East and also inside  maybe Mariupol and maybe Odessa. I never read anything saying they were not in the East. Not having them in the East presented a problem before as UA troops from the East did not want to shoot those ethnic Russians in the East. So Kiev fixed that.

I am pretty sure I read that the Azov troops were in Odessa. But if they are intermixed totally then that does not make sense. Maybe there are both majority Azov and intermixed Azov groups. Azov are said to be better fighters so putting them in key areas makes sense.

I have no idea what the percent of people are primarily Russian speakers in Mariupol and Odessa. I would like to know.

If Kiev is allowing humanitarian corridors out of Odessa and Mariupol I would like to see that happening on video.

Russian govt is saying that there was a false flag planned in Lviv to kidnap US diplomats to try to drag US into war. Does not mean it is true.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 02:30:22 PM

I recall that Eastern UA had heavy industry and aviation which they sold to Russia until the sanctions prevented that and they could no longer sell and lost most of their market. Many of the sanctions harmed UA more than Russia.

Motor Sich used to make gas turbines for sale to Russia then later found a  market in China but IMO the Chinese are copying the technology and I know they are making them inside China.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 02:42:46 PM

I wonder if the Russians used the hyper sonic missiles just to test them and show them off. They hardly seem needed for that job.

Zelenzky comes across as a whiner to me. He cannot bargain from a position of strength. His troops are mostly surrounded in the East. Plus, IMO, if he settles with Putin he will be executed by hard liners. Kiev recently executed one of their negotiators, calling him a Russian spy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on March 20, 2022, 02:50:59 PM
Never let a crisis go to waste.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 02:53:42 PM


Notice how Zelsnsky wore a green T shirt with an iron cross when speaking to congress?
Yes I know the iron cross predated Nazis but still bad PR and I am sure it did not go unnoticed in Russia.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fyidashuzi.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2022%2F03%2FZelensky-speech-live-Biden-says-Putins-aggression-united-world-as.jpg&f=1&nofb=1)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 02:55:43 PM
Never let a crisis go to waste.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/zelensky-announces-ban-on-11-political-parties_4349682.html)

The Kiev govt previously shut down opposition TV stations and jailed opponents. Tulsi Gabbard called this out.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on March 20, 2022, 04:45:31 PM
And Mittens called her a traitor for noticing.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2022, 09:06:51 PM

From Covert conservatives. Nonotone.
WOW

Intervention in Ukraine. Vaxxed vs unvaxxed. Mind blowing.
https://thelibertydaily.com/theres-a-shocking-correlation-between-getting-vaxxed-and-pushing-for-war-with-russia/
(https://thelibertydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Vaxxed-vs-Unvaxxed-Ukraine.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 20, 2022, 09:43:46 PM
The clotshots have gone to their brains, exacerbating their already faulty mental capacities.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2022, 08:55:09 AM
Umm, "nuking" isn't on the list?  It's on everybody else's list!  WTF?

But, hey...maybe some good news...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/warning-global-deep-state-may-be-planning-assassination-of-president-biden-when-he-travels-to-europe-next-week/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/warning-global-deep-state-may-be-planning-assassination-of-president-biden-when-he-travels-to-europe-next-week/)

https://www.wnd.com/2022/03/report-putins-overthrow-planned-fsb-head-identified-possible-successor/ (https://www.wnd.com/2022/03/report-putins-overthrow-planned-fsb-head-identified-possible-successor/)

...has to be bullish for not vaporizing the planet, eh?

DoD saying hypersonic was a dud, not that special, didn't hit squat...

https://justthenews.com/government/security/russias-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-strike-claim-dud-defense-experts-say (https://justthenews.com/government/security/russias-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile-strike-claim-dud-defense-experts-say)

...back to the nuke theme...is their description of not that fast and accurate supposed to make everyone feel better if they strap a nuke to it?   :o

Lot of tankers, trackers, attackers and drones up over Moldovan/Poland border again...we can have as many as 6 doomsday planes in flight some days...people East & West still yapping loosely about escalation...

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

I see nothing ending an expansion of hostility let alone conclude things in Ukraine.  And people could end things in Ukraine if the veto-holding UNSC forced a partition down the Dnieper...but that is no long term guarantee against future festivities and another round of BS...

Whatever, everybody with chips in the pot wants the whole pot regardless their hand strength...

We can debate and blame and opine all we want...at the end of the day the decisions good (unlikely) bad (very likely) or indifferent (we can only hope this is the worst!) all reside in the hands of the morons running all these countries...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2022, 12:02:34 PM
LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2022, 03:42:06 PM
LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/)

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2022, 04:33:23 PM
LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/)

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2022, 08:53:01 PM
LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/)

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   ::laughonfloor::

A while back UA fabricated some naval incident in the Azov Sea. They violated some treaty and brought some small warships, maybe frigates, for a staged TV event. I looked into the details at the time.  The funny part was they needed to bring a tug boat in case the boats got stuck. That is because the Azov Sea is very shallow in parts.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2022, 08:19:11 AM
LOL, now some official saying hypersonics have been launched...but no big deal...all is well...maybe he's running out of ammo...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480339-report-us-officials-confirm-russia-used-multiple-hypersonic-missiles-in-ukraine-attack/)

These guys spin everything. Using expensive hyper sonics because they are running out of cheaper stuff?
IMO they are just testing and showing off new toys.

Yeah, if true that would be desperate but I do not think that is the case...other than raping the earth for every bit of oil and gas the Russians also are good and making arms and ammunition and selling it everywhere...in the latter they are no different than us, much of the margins made on sales (and hence filling you own national inventory) relies heavily on foreign sales...otherwise companies wouldn't bid on the contracts if they had to eat R&D costs with no chance of recouping them.

If anything is possibly true it is the boasted speed...that clip I posted showed it low and fast...but not so fast it couldn't be hit by a good anti-missile system...even if it is a closing/final target acquisition issue...

PS - If Azov Brigade is fascist...what about Azov Sea?   ::laughonfloor::

A while back UA fabricated some naval incident in the Azov Sea. They violated some treaty and brought some small warships, maybe frigates, for a staged TV event. I looked into the details at the time.  The funny part was they needed to bring a tug boat in case the boats got stuck. That is because the Azov Sea is very shallow in parts.

I always thought it a toxic dead zone...

You want a third eye?  Maybe a huge lump on your back?  How about some flipper kids?

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2022, 08:49:25 AM
See this?

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/21/priceless-ny-times-asked-candace-owens-where-she-got-her-ideas-about-ukraine-then-it-got-awkward-for-the-nyt/ (https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/03/21/priceless-ny-times-asked-candace-owens-where-she-got-her-ideas-about-ukraine-then-it-got-awkward-for-the-nyt/)

Hilarious!  Surprised The Slimes piped off...corruption?  You kidding me?  Where on the planet isn't corruption rife?  These clowns are in NYC, didn't they invent corruption in America?  There isn't a square meter on this planet free from the harm of corruption.

And this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-can-hold-out-long-west-keeps-supplying-weapons-former-uk-intelligence-chief (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-can-hold-out-long-west-keeps-supplying-weapons-former-uk-intelligence-chief)

...is why Russia is barking against it.  But, war, duh...what's it good for?  Well, profits...duh!

And they're getting some Rus stuff now too...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-21 (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-21)

Another hypersonic attack in the South...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2nd-hypersonic-missile-used-ukraine-russian-defense-ministry (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/2nd-hypersonic-missile-used-ukraine-russian-defense-ministry)

Allegations that Belarus is set to enter the war in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-sees-signs-another-neighbor-planning-direct-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-sees-signs-another-neighbor-planning-direct-invasion)

...if that happens I predict two things will happen: 1) people who said those rumors were BS will forget they said it was BS and 2) it will escalate matters and see neighbors respond in-kind because the option of waiting to be consumed next is going to be too hard a decision to swallow.

This thing could get sporty in quick fashion.

The diplomatic tiff in Moscow and the US Ambassador is cute, fond memories of the Cold War...except in this case its morons poking a megalomaniac in the eye...

From "Putin's Brain"...

...the anti-liberal philosopher claimed Russia is “fighting against the hegemonic totalitarian liberal system, and not against the U.S. as a country, or Europe, or Ukraine as a country.”

“It is a war against (those) principles,” he added. “It is a war of ideas.”

Dugin also claimed Russia was seeking to provide other nations with their right to “self-determination.”

“We are fighting against the liberal world order, and in order to provide other nations and cultures with the right to self-determination, rather than being puppets of the Americans,” he said.
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“Putin is a natural monarch, not because he wants to be a monarch, but because we want him to be one,” he said.
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Ruling out the possibility of defeat “because that cannot happen,” and if it did then “there will be no Putin, no Russia, and no world, as far as I know, because we have put everything on the line,” the nationalist Russian philosopher warned of the importance of listening to Putin regarding a possible nuclear attack.

“If NATO intervenes, the retaliation will be in kind,” he said. “Therefore, the decision to continue with the operation to our last breath has been taken, and we have no choice but to win.”

Asked to clarify if he was warning that a Russian loss would result in Russian nuclear strikes, a subsequent nuclear holocaust and the world’s end, Dugin confirmed that that is “exactly” the case.

“These are the words of our president,” he said. “Without Russia, there is no humanity.”

“If you want to live on this Earth, you should accept Russia as an independent sovereign superpower.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/21/putins-brain-calls-russian-war-in-ukraine-fight-against-american-hegemony-warns-world-will-end-if-russia-defeated/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/21/putins-brain-calls-russian-war-in-ukraine-fight-against-american-hegemony-warns-world-will-end-if-russia-defeated/)

Remember my earlier screed on the fatally damaged Russian psyche?  Yeah, well...this goes beyond confirming that and sprints right into extreme religious cult insanity!!!

I think this seals it, humanity is doomed!  Do our Marxist/Globalist/Deviant overlords suck every way possible?  Yes.  Are these Russian Elect any better?  Fvck no.  Neither is capable of comprehending reason, neither is inclined towards retreat, neither gives a rats ass about their peasants.  How do greedy bastards unable to admit mistakes or speak truthfully reconcile with zealots pledging death for all if not victorious in all demands?

Might as well push all buttons...a quick end may be the only merciful end allowed.

https://youtu.be/wcW_Ygs6hm0 (https://youtu.be/wcW_Ygs6hm0)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2022, 11:54:40 AM
A busy day for the last gasp human race...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alexei-navalny-found-guilty-russian-court-faces-13-years-strict-regimen-prison (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/alexei-navalny-found-guilty-russian-court-faces-13-years-strict-regimen-prison)

...the Rus version of a Jan6 political prisoner.

And back here HR 6869 seeks to authorize privateers for the first time in over 200 years...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-bring-back-pirates-seize-russian-yachts (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-bring-back-pirates-seize-russian-yachts)

...I want my letter!  I could raise Hell here as the Ragnar of Lake Minnetonka!   ::whoohoo::

"Is that a woke CEO?"  "Prepare to board, man the cannons!" "Raise the colors!"  :D

Fun in the air over Hungary...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-scrambles-fighter-jets-after-plane-ukraine-violates-airspace (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-scrambles-fighter-jets-after-plane-ukraine-violates-airspace)

...that soft-peddling will come in handy later, I'm sure.

But I hear another New World Order is coming...right in time for spring...that should help things a lot...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2022, 01:38:45 PM
^^^^
Tony Heller often points out that the NYT does not read the NYT.
What is the standard for seizing yachts? Russian last name? Russian passport? Who says the yacht owners support Putin or do not support him? What will the standard be for Russia or China to seize yachts around the word?

I read that many billionaires are pulling money out of London banks because their money might be seized. No standards for seizing such money. Any standards could change tomorrow. Saudis also panic. They could be next.

In response to China not backing anti Russian sanctions the US is to sanction some Chinese officials, although they blame China human rights abuses they got upset about  all of a sudden. These US sanctions around the word are getting out of hand IMO.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2022, 04:27:57 PM
Don't worry, be happy...pull up a chair, pop a cold one and enjoy watching it all go down the drain...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2022, 09:27:54 AM
Seems more activity around Kyiv and especially South of it, and in the East more activity West of the known front and hard to tell at this time if it is targeting Ukrainian resistance in their rear/support areas or a softening for a push Westward.

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Russia has the Wagner Group in play in Ukraine...ought to be easy enough to prove with a corpse or two.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-mercenary-wagner-group-active-inside-ukraine-pentagon-officials-say (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-mercenary-wagner-group-active-inside-ukraine-pentagon-officials-say)

Proxies beget more proxies...when has such an urge been resisted?

Putin's first "official" resignation in protest of the war...his Climate Czar...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russia-sees-first-high-level-official-resign-leave-country-over-putins-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russia-sees-first-high-level-official-resign-leave-country-over-putins-war)

...isn't saying much...given Russia's commitment to national suicide is at least as deceptive as Communist China's.

Meanwhile, more confirmation the definition of "existential" is all that separates us from global nuclear annihilation.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-blasts-kremlin-spokesmans-nuclear-use-remarks-cnn-dangerous (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-blasts-kremlin-spokesmans-nuclear-use-remarks-cnn-dangerous)

Nice.

In other news on the Euro front...

JSATRS flight along Polish/Russian border, E-3's along Moldovan border and RivetJoint snoopers up along Polish border for the first time I recall...and lots of heavy-mover activity...so the European buildup still seems in-play.

Looks like a swell party brewing, Belarus joining the party could be the trigger.

ETA - Knew about Poland...but if this clip is accurate, now in Slovakia, and if there...likely in others nations too.  Outside of Saudi Arabia (JoeFraud kissing House of Saud ass) and Poland there are no official admissions.

https://youtu.be/y24sIkpg5lU (https://youtu.be/y24sIkpg5lU)
H/T-CTH

Also, this is hilarious...I find no problem making fun of morons...and using morons as fodder is as old as war itself...not the first time this will happen, won't be the last...

https://youtu.be/1udDZIByHd4 (https://youtu.be/1udDZIByHd4)

Wars are fought by professionals, the military and military contractors...LARPers will die and really expecting not to be treated as fodder and treated as a liability is their fault and nobody else's...

More ETA's -

https://sputniknews.com/20220321/video-ukrainian-doctor-calls-for-castration-of-captured-russian-soldiers-1094049835.html (https://sputniknews.com/20220321/video-ukrainian-doctor-calls-for-castration-of-captured-russian-soldiers-1094049835.html)

https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/nuclear-warhead-deployment-spotted-in-uk-amid-natos-burgeoning-russia-crisis-3592185 (https://www.yenisafak.com/en/world/nuclear-warhead-deployment-spotted-in-uk-amid-natos-burgeoning-russia-crisis-3592185)

And this that confirms all the heavy-mover traffic I've seen seeing for several weeks running...

https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/03/23/stoltenberg-nato-to-give-more-support-to-ukraine-on-nuclear-and-chemical-threats (https://www.anews.com.tr/world/2022/03/23/stoltenberg-nato-to-give-more-support-to-ukraine-on-nuclear-and-chemical-threats)

Oh, yeah...I see all concerned willing and able to compromise, agree and pull back...

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2022, 01:00:48 PM
Don't worry, be happy...pull up a chair, pop a cold one and enjoy watching it all go down the drain...

If the US govt did what was best for Americans ......
1. Play nice with Russia.
2. Tell UA they will never be in NATO publicly.
3. Pull Russia into Europe.
4. No sanctions on Russia.

That would be bad for the military industrial complex. This war could have been avoided.

Of course drilling for oil and gas would have been nice as well.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2022, 04:10:31 PM
Don't worry, be happy...pull up a chair, pop a cold one and enjoy watching it all go down the drain...

If the US govt did what was best for Americans ......
1. Play nice with Russia.
2. Tell UA they will never be in NATO publicly.
3. Pull Russia into Europe.
4. No sanctions on Russia.

That would be bad for the military industrial complex. This war could have been avoided.

Of course drilling for oil and gas would have been nice as well.

Seriously?

I sincerely doubt it! 

The DemCom's never got over the Soviet capitulation in the Cold War, their brothers in socialism worked wonders in infiltrating leftist groups, including the Dem party going back as far as Wilson...it was their lone success, convincing Dems that true equality can never achieved but by socialism while avoiding the communist label...but they knew they'd get there eventually...and they hated the fact that credit for the win always goes to Reagan.  Also, the schitzo Russian psyche that manifests itself in flipping back and forth from being European or Asian means they'd probably never be welcomed openly...certainly not after Putin made himself Czar for life (but another part of the Russian psyche cannot resist the lure of the Strong Man no matter the cost) and cracked down on political opponents and nationalized the press...that he was beholden to the neo-capitalist oligarchs notwithstanding as every nation has those assclowns.  Only way I see they could have been integrated into Europe was to get the Euro's on-board with a new Marshall Plan to modernize their backward nation economically, politically and tougher yet socially...but there was no appetite for that and instead corporate interests merely wanted to pour in there like it was the wild west...being virgin ground and all.  And, since corrupt Pubbies are compromised on China and elsewhere too...they found a willing partner in their hatred.  So I doubt the nirvana you favor was ever a remote possibility in any alternate human universe.

No, they would have found something else to fight over.  And honestly, the trash Russia engages with regardless of reason for said engagement doesn't help things back West.  Nope, probably would have been best for all if Truman told Eisenhower to let Patton roll into Russia when we had an army there capable of getting the job done...might have skipped a lot of bullsh*t in the region and an expanded Marshall Plan would have laid a better path for Europe and Asia.

Ah, well...

If "if's and but's" were candy and nuts...every day would be Christmas...

The fate was sealed (timing-wise) after The Steal.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
IMO granting all of the Russian demands for UA would not have harmed the US one bit.
All of the US sanctions and freezing the Russian central bank assets will harm the US big time.
It is only a couple weeks now and the world finance system is already having spasms.

A very long video with Scott Ritter on the grayzone. He is very interesting. A couple damning stories about Madeleine Albright. He explains how Kuwait may have started the second gulf war by a false flag assassination attempt on HW Bush, blamed on Iraq which stopped negotiations and Pres. Clinton retaliated with cruise missiles. WOW.

https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2022, 08:54:17 AM
IMO granting all of the Russian demands for UA would not have harmed the US one bit.
All of the US sanctions and freezing the Russian central bank assets will harm the US big time.
It is only a couple weeks now and the world finance system is already having spasms.

A very long video with Scott Ritter on the grayzone. He is very interesting. A couple damning stories about Madeleine Albright. He explains how Kuwait may have started the second gulf war by a false flag assassination attempt on HW Bush, blamed on Iraq which stopped negotiations and Pres. Clinton retaliated with cruise missiles. WOW.

https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc
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The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate talk live with ex-UN weapons inspector and military expert Scott Ritter about the Russia-Ukraine war. Ritter provides a detailed analysis of the battlefield that stands in stark contrast to the rose-colored perspective of most Western analysts, and offers his perspective on the political follies that drove the conflict.

Harm?  It's not about harm, when has any nations elites cared about harming their citizens?   It's not about harm, it's about reality!  It is unrealistic to expect those demands being granted...for something to be realistic there has to be a reasonable chance for it to happen...Oblowya started the sh!t...Trump was only a temporary patch thanks to The Steal...JoeFraud/HeelsUp finishing Oblowya's sh!t...who exaclty are these people you see agreeing to Russia's demands???
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2022, 09:03:17 AM
Ukraine map looks unchanfged, but reports of activity in all the usual spots...

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

Uke claim of an attack on a Russia ship in the Nazi Sea - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukrainian-forces-say-theyve-destroyed-large-russian-warship (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukrainian-forces-say-theyve-destroyed-large-russian-warship)

Looks legit - https://twitter.com/i/status/1506953417935179793 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1506953417935179793)

More loose talk by the Rus about tossing nukes Westward - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-23 (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-23)

Stoltenberg retaliates with threats of more costs to Russia - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/g7-warn-putin-against-chemical-or-nuclear-weapons-trio-emergency-summits-session (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/g7-warn-putin-against-chemical-or-nuclear-weapons-trio-emergency-summits-session)

And US/NATO preps for nuclear incidents and deterrence, jumping futures up - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-treasury-yields-nato-says-its-preparing-risk-nuclear-incidents (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-treasury-yields-nato-says-its-preparing-risk-nuclear-incidents)

See?  Everybody is on an escalating war footing...and people say folks can't agree on things!  ::unknowncomic::

ETA - Whoa, what is this about?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putins-defence-minister-vanishes-26536281 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/vladimir-putins-defence-minister-vanishes-26536281)

Clot-shot, natural causes...or something ominous?

Even our lapdog presscorpse would ask if Austin went missing...they might buy the BS govt line, but they'd ask...and some in the 5-10% that aren't corrupt may even challenge the BS...but the Russians aren't saying squat!  He is one of three Russians in the chain of nuclear launch authority...where the frack is he...if replaced, by whom?!
 ::speechless::

More festivities...

Chi-Com's buying cheap Russian Kazahk oil on the down-low...and adding to the supply-chain ills is the Trans Niger Pipeline being tapped in 150 spots by thieves taking 95% of the flow...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/china-quietly-buying-russian-oil-kazakhstan-says-cpc-terminal-halt-last-nigeria-reveals (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/china-quietly-buying-russian-oil-kazakhstan-says-cpc-terminal-halt-last-nigeria-reveals)

More sanctions...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-hits-over-400-russian-individuals-entities-new-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-hits-over-400-russian-individuals-entities-new-sanctions)

The casino's are having a hard time understanding all the new plays...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/what-mess (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/what-mess)

And if the Russians choose to peg to gold...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-will-backstop-ruble-gold (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-will-backstop-ruble-gold)

...I would expect to see governments resort to confiscation of private holdings...which could trigger all sorts of domestic troubles.

More refugees coming to America...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-reportedly-agrees-home-100000-ukrainian-refugees (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-reportedly-agrees-home-100000-ukrainian-refugees)

...about all I can say is at least they aren't Muslim or Communist.

And, when we should only be in a one-front war with Communist China...the Masters of the Universe want a two-front war...which is just another way to get to a world war...so go long on war regardless.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-issues-full-statement-laying-out-defense-readiness-against-russia-calls-out-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-issues-full-statement-laying-out-defense-readiness-against-russia-calls-out-china)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
IMO granting all of the Russian demands for UA would not have harmed the US one bit.
All of the US sanctions and freezing the Russian central bank assets will harm the US big time.
It is only a couple weeks now and the world finance system is already having spasms.

A very long video with Scott Ritter on the grayzone. He is very interesting. A couple damning stories about Madeleine Albright. He explains how Kuwait may have started the second gulf war by a false flag assassination attempt on HW Bush, blamed on Iraq which stopped negotiations and Pres. Clinton retaliated with cruise missiles. WOW.

https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc
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Harm?  It's not about harm, when has any nations elites cared about harming their citizens?   It's not about harm, it's about reality!  It is unrealistic to expect those demands being granted...for something to be realistic there has to be a reasonable chance for it to happen...Oblowya started the sh!t...Trump was only a temporary patch thanks to The Steal...JoeFraud/HeelsUp finishing Oblowya's sh!t...who exaclty are these people you see agreeing to Russia's demands???

I recall the Japanese surrendered in WWII rather than fight to the last person. I think  the German 6th  army surrendered at Stalingrad. Gen. Lee surrendered when it became clear the south was losing. But then those leaders were not as much sociopaths as Zelenzky. Some leaders will consider the well being of their people. Zelensky will sacrifice every last Ukranian. He is not fighting. He is an actor who behaves as though this is a movie.

Zelensky is in danger from right wingers near him who have made it clear they will kill him if he does not follow their orders.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2022, 09:52:16 AM
IMO granting all of the Russian demands for UA would not have harmed the US one bit.
All of the US sanctions and freezing the Russian central bank assets will harm the US big time.
It is only a couple weeks now and the world finance system is already having spasms.

A very long video with Scott Ritter on the grayzone. He is very interesting. A couple damning stories about Madeleine Albright. He explains how Kuwait may have started the second gulf war by a false flag assassination attempt on HW Bush, blamed on Iraq which stopped negotiations and Pres. Clinton retaliated with cruise missiles. WOW.

https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc (https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc)
The battle for Ukraine, with ex-UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter
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The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate talk live with ex-UN weapons inspector and military expert Scott Ritter about the Russia-Ukraine war. Ritter provides a detailed analysis of the battlefield that stands in stark contrast to the rose-colored perspective of most Western analysts, and offers his perspective on the political follies that drove the conflict.

Harm?  It's not about harm, when has any nations elites cared about harming their citizens?   It's not about harm, it's about reality!  It is unrealistic to expect those demands being granted...for something to be realistic there has to be a reasonable chance for it to happen...Oblowya started the sh!t...Trump was only a temporary patch thanks to The Steal...JoeFraud/HeelsUp finishing Oblowya's sh!t...who exaclty are these people you see agreeing to Russia's demands???

I recall the Japanese surrendered in WWII rather than fight to the last person. I think  the German 6th  army surrendered at Stalingrad. Gen. Lee surrendered when it became clear the south was losing. But then those leaders were not as much sociopaths as Zelenzky. Some leaders will consider the well being of their people. Zelensky will sacrifice every last Ukranian. He is not fighting. He is an actor who behaves as though this is a movie.

Zelensky is in danger from right wingers near him who have made it clear they will kill him if he does not follow their orders.

Uhh, all those were soundly defeated...slaughtered even...Russia has yet to capture towns let alone Kyiv...so the timing is not similar...and Japan only surrendered after being beaten back in horrible brutal engagements culminating in having two cities nuked...they had no intention of surrendering until Fat Man and Little Boy changed their minds.  Germany had to be levelled from all sides.  As for right-wingers...aren't they enemies of the Globalist Great-Reset crowd?  I need a program for the shifting cast of characters in this script.

As for situation on the ground, status quo.

NATO still sniffing and scanning Eastward over Moldovan & Polish borders, lots of heavy-lifter traffic.

Now, Russia not wanting to have senior to senior chats on the deconfliction line (and how much of that is driven by Shoigu being alive or dead intentionally or not?)...and Blinken has no interest to chat with Lavrov...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-says-russian-military-leaders-are-repeatedly-declining-deconfliction-calls (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-says-russian-military-leaders-are-repeatedly-declining-deconfliction-calls)

...so the time has become ripe for a catastrophic miscalculation to occur that nobody will care about who triggered because the entire planet has just been sterilized.

Turning a frown upside down (temporarily, anyway)...

Puppetmaster Fink at BlackRock laments the damage done to the Globalist party...

“BlackRock CEO Larry Fink said that the Russian invasion of Ukraine “has put an end to the globalization we have experienced over the last three decades.”

The head of the world’s biggest asset manager sent a letter to shareholders on Thursday warning of dark days ahead for the world economy, signaling that inflation is of particular concern.

Fink predicted that the war will force countries to re-evaluate the extent to which their economies are interdependent on others. It could also spur economies to develop greater reliance on local manufacturing, according to Fink.

“Russia’s aggression in Ukraine and its subsequent decoupling from the global economy is going to prompt companies and governments worldwide to re-evaluate their dependencies and re-analyze their manufacturing and assembly footprints — something that Covid had already spurred many to start doing,” he wrote.
https://100percentfedup.com/blackrock-ceo-laments-that-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-has-put-an-end-to-globalization/ (https://100percentfedup.com/blackrock-ceo-laments-that-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-has-put-an-end-to-globalization/)

But hold off your celebration and toasts to hero Putin...because every crisis drives a new exploitation...

BlackRock Inc’s (BLK.N) chief executive, Larry Fink, said on Thursday that the Russia-Ukraine war could end up accelerating digital currencies as a tool to settle international transactions, as the conflict upends the globalization drive of the last three decades.

In a letter to the shareholders of the world’s largest asset manager, Fink said the war will push countries to reassess currency dependencies, and that BlackRock was studying digital currencies and stablecoins due to increased client interest.

“A global digital payment system, thoughtfully designed, can enhance the settlement of international transactions while reducing the risk of money laundering and corruption”, he said.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/24/blackrock-ceo-advances-proposal-for-global-digital-payment-system-and-digital-currency/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/24/blackrock-ceo-advances-proposal-for-global-digital-payment-system-and-digital-currency/)

And so...with digital fiat and the total control it provides the Masters of the Universe...comes digital ID...it goes hand in hand, neither can co-exist without the other...

So, what Putin really did...was aid the DeepState/Globalist Cabal's "Great Reset" by radically advancing the timetable to get to their dystopian future.

Thanks, Vlad! 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2022, 01:21:47 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nightmare-scenario-operational-miscalculations-could-trigger-nuclear-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nightmare-scenario-operational-miscalculations-could-trigger-nuclear-war)

Yeah, well...Europe remains Plan A for global nuclear culling...Iran is Plan B...reckon Norks are bidding for Plan C and Taiwan perhaps Plan D.

Refugees...

https://youtu.be/cxEMZq8BUbc (https://youtu.be/cxEMZq8BUbc)

...rather go back to war torn Ukraine! 

Yeah, parts of Sweden where they dump them all are feral turd world Hell's.

And, saying it out loud...like loose assassination comments...is just not an intelligent thing to say out loud even if you mean it...so walking this back as a "misunderstanding" by those who heard it...seems to be asking a lot of a person...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1507776158934482955 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1507776158934482955)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-president-biden-delivers-remarks-us-efforts-support-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-president-biden-delivers-remarks-us-efforts-support-ukraine)

...and calls for 25thing...

https://slaynews.com/news/calls-to-remove-joe-biden-using-25th-amendment-grow-louder-after-he-makes-3-alarming-flubs-in-europe/ (https://slaynews.com/news/calls-to-remove-joe-biden-using-25th-amendment-grow-louder-after-he-makes-3-alarming-flubs-in-europe/)

...seems ridiculous when from the same ilk who worked so hard to illegitimately install the known feeble-minded pervy old corrupt bastard...and pointless when coming from other folks like us or Nigel Farage in this link, given the procession of Marxist filth in the succession!

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/aa65fb4fe937ebac84a146dc30eed81200cf33682b2bbd897e68b9a39f34dc86.jpg)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/06a4cee76351302876f2a14242c8c2487ea30c51adb3047d5b5b7b5d04cd5586.jpg)

Is Harris, Pelosi, Leahy, Blinken & Austin et al any less corrupt, compromised and sane than JoeFraud?  Hell no!  Only (arguably) less mentally impaired.

25th-ing isn't the answer to the question "How to rescue America?"...it is only the answer to the question "How do we leftist America-destroying from within traitors bamboozle the American people another couple years"...the answer to the former more existential question is "A thorough clean sweeping out of the traitors!".

May God have mercy on us!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 27, 2022, 03:44:12 PM
Scott Ritter went into detail on how the US and Russia arrived at a nuclear hair trigger once more. Lots of history.


https://youtu.be/OSkpIq3T-Zc
The battle for Ukraine, with ex-UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2022, 09:10:56 AM
Well, everybody lies...nobody tells the truth...it all comes down to power, and any advantage can be power...East/West/North/South doesn't matter.

I like the nazis everywhere meme...seems they are everywhere, here, there...lol.

Heck, even Russia made their timetable to accommodate a nazi meme...they are now announcing the war in Ukraine will be won by them on May 9th, Soviet Victory Day! (https://100percentfedup.com/putin-declares-may-9th-as-end-of-war-in-ukraine-same-date-russia-defeated-nazis-in-ww2/)  Isn't that speshul?!  LOL!  What happens when May 9th comes and it isn't "won"?  Well, I'll make an easy prediction that Putin claims victory regardless the reality on the ground.

Probably explains why there seems to be more softening around Kyiv and consolidation in East and South.

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

And most of this stuff from the US perspective was (and still is from the shadows) driven by Oblowya, Ritter is right about that. 

I remain convinced that neither power will back down, that neither power can afford to concede...so either this becomes an extended conventional playground or it goes hot and if it is the former it just means it can go hot at any time in the future so logic dictates it goes hot at some point.  And, the longer it goes on the more impotent the UN will get because veto-holding powers will ensure nothing happens from that quarter.

In related news...I agree with Rand, this over-expansive change to the Magnitsky Act (https://www.independentsentinel.com/rand-paul-holds-up-russia-sanctions-bill-over-the-power-it-gives-biden/) gives too much power to the executive to conduct mischief, perhaps even domestically given the other lawless proclivities used to date.

As for air situation in the area same snoop/track/shuttle activity from Poland to Romania.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 28, 2022, 11:42:32 AM
^^^^
Some official under Clinton said "Everybody lies, the trick is to lie first."

The Russians were the bad guys in shooting down the KAL flight years ago. I recall the Reagan admin doctored/omitted parts of the released audio recording to make the Russians look as bad as possible. I think he referred to that????

The details of that shoot down were a combination of errors. First by KAL then by the Russians. Gale force winds knocked out their radar in the west. The army lied to the brass and said it had been fixed. So the KAL plane over flew the radar and penetrated Russian air space without them knowing.  When they caught the plane on different radar later they only had minutes to catch it over Russian air space and they panicked and shot it down. They feared explaining how they lied. They got caught anyway.

I am not defending the Russians. Just saying that like many bad things it took a combination of errors. Sad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Mariupol is done.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mariupol-mayor-orders-complete-evacuation-city-now-russian-hands-ukraine-says-its (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mariupol-mayor-orders-complete-evacuation-city-now-russian-hands-ukraine-says-its)

The rubles demand is being pushed back on...we'll see if they cut supply...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-28 (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/here-are-all-latest-news-and-developments-ukraine-war-march-28)

Kinda reminds me of US cutting off oil to Japan...made war inevitable, which people in both instances seem to want anyway...

And, in pointless damage control...Blinken Idiot - “As you know, and as you have heard us say repeatedly, we do not have a strategy of regime change in Russia — or anywhere else, for that matter.” (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/27/russia-ukraine-live-updates.html)

I'd say that's a typical Foggy Bottom half-truth at best...no plan I believe.  But since Blinken's parents are supporters of Soros' Open Society terrorist front group (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/no-wonder-us-foreign-policy-nightmare-bidens-secretary-state-blinken-family-ties-george-soros/) it stands to reason he also has a fondness for them and their agenda.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2022, 12:00:15 PM
^^^^
Some official under Clinton said "Everybody lies, the trick is to lie first."

The Russians were the bad guys in shooting down the KAL flight years ago. I recall the Reagan admin doctored/omitted parts of the released audio recording to make the Russians look as bad as possible. I think he referred to that????

The details of that shoot down were a combination of errors. First by KAL then by the Russians. Gale force winds knocked out their radar in the west. The army lied to the brass and said it had been fixed. So the KAL plane over flew the radar and penetrated Russian air space without them knowing.  When they caught the plane on different radar later they only had minutes to catch it over Russian air space and they panicked and shot it down. They feared explaining how they lied. They got caught anyway.

I am not defending the Russians. Just saying that like many bad things it took a combination of errors. Sad.

Part of all of the propaganda game...and nobody serious around moderating them...we used to have the latter, not anymore...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 28, 2022, 03:13:08 PM
... we do not have a strategy of regime change in Russia — or anywhere else, for that matter.” 
 
Or anywhere else? The rest of the world must be laughing. Libya? Iraq? Syria?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 28, 2022, 03:14:10 PM


Links to disturbing videos of Russian POWs.


https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975823290216448

https://twitter.com/politblogme/status/1507975846384082945

https://twitter.com/raczylo/status/1508046216420020225


also
https://thetruedefender.com/ukrainian-forces-surrendered-and-azov-forces-started-shooting/

https://t.me/TheTrueDefender
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 28, 2022, 03:30:19 PM
Yeah, some of that is sketchy that is problematic introducing into negotiations and is part of the side propaganda war...people pointing out speaking Russian (most in that area speak Russian and Ukrainian)...uniforms (again, both have access to both, same for equipment)...it's hard to know...also hard to know who's starting and who's retaliating (bombed civilians/POW mistreatment/refugee mistreatment), who is actually doing what (minority faction or mainstream Ukes/Rus?)... all chicken/egg fog of war crap that people may not ever get the truth on even years later...same for treatment of citizens protesting war in Russia and the chatter on high-level resignations...anybody got reliable info on Shoigu?!?!?!  I see that as the biggest deal out there not being discussed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 29, 2022, 08:55:03 AM
More proof everybody lies...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-signals-intent-cut-military-operations-around-kiev-chernihiv-after-positive (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-signals-intent-cut-military-operations-around-kiev-chernihiv-after-positive)

Not a pull out, not a retreat...

Where's Shoigu?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 29, 2022, 12:08:25 PM
Jello-headed JoeFraud, keeps effing up...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-appears-reveal-us-training-ukrainian-troops-poland (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-appears-reveal-us-training-ukrainian-troops-poland)

...I believe he thinks he isn't walking anything back...its just he cannot stay on script and keeps telling people what the puppetmasters don't want him to reveal...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1508523986908590087 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1508523986908590087)

More fun with poison...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/480583-ukranian-peace-negotiators-and-russian-oligarch-poisoned-some-went-blind-for-hours/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/480583-ukranian-peace-negotiators-and-russian-oligarch-poisoned-some-went-blind-for-hours/)

Russia - Wasn't me!  Sure, everybody knows that's the MO of, uhh...er...anyway, moving on...

Ukraine internet hammered...

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/internet-provider-ukraines-military-hit-most-severe-cyberattack-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/internet-provider-ukraines-military-hit-most-severe-cyberattack-invasion)

Russia - Wasn't me!  Yeah, ok...

'Muricans worried, 8 in 10 think JoeFraud will help trigger WWIII nuclear holocaust...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/8-10-americans-worried-bidens-bumbling-will-lead-nuclear-war-new-poll-finds (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/8-10-americans-worried-bidens-bumbling-will-lead-nuclear-war-new-poll-finds)

...relax, the puppetmasters and other masters of the universe won't kill everybody...just most everybody...and it takes more than one Marxist fool like Jello-head JoeFraud, or Heel's-Up Harris, or Nasty Pelosi (or whoever the POSOTUS is)...its the other DeepState players...and counterparts around the globe...and a willing partner in Russia...

Oh, yeah...one of three in the Russian nuclear launch command...Defense Minister Shoigu...he located yet?!?!?!

Chillax, have a drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em and enjoy the sahow you have zero say in as a citizen of anywhere on Earth...

 ::beertoast::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 29, 2022, 04:07:14 PM

I never bought into most of the Russian poisoning stories. If Putin, or the CIA, or the mafia wanted me dead I would be dead. A silenced 22 from behind would do nicely. Poison in my under wear? 

Alex Christoforou is on. He says that the US has pretty much stated that the destruction of Russia is a long term goal. Any peace deal about UA is just temporary.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 29, 2022, 04:35:11 PM
Awesome...

Any news on Shoigu?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 29, 2022, 05:02:03 PM

Do not follow that story about the missing guy.
The Norwegian prof says that Putin is not considered a hard liner in Russia and that if he goes things get worse.
Russian hardliners did not want to build the NS2 pipeline but Putin did. Now that blew up in his face for trusting the west and he has to eat lots of crow.

It is not hard to believe that US wants regime change also in Russia then China. Remember the Wesley Clark video clip about the US wanting regime change in 7 countries in 5 years. The rest of the world is not blind.

The US does not care about UA. They will destroy it like they did Libya and Syria.

https://youtu.be/TY2DKzastu8?t=73
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 30, 2022, 08:25:52 AM
If things got worse in Russia would the average Russian even know it?   ::rimshot::

Yeah, exactly my point on Shoigu...NOBODY knows anything...

Why worry?  Dude is only in the troika of Rus nuclear command authority...nothing to see here...move along...

/

(https://c.tenor.com/H75jdyn25JQAAAAd/bomber.gif)

Latest news - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/limited-russian-pullback-near-kiev-no-breakthroughs-talks-amid-colossal-attack-chernihiv (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/limited-russian-pullback-near-kiev-no-breakthroughs-talks-amid-colossal-attack-chernihiv) - same old same old.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2022, 09:24:57 AM
Senor Escobar seems to be excited and cannot stop touching himself...out with the Uke nationalists, in with the, uhh, Rus nationalists...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-how-mariupol-will-become-key-hub-eurasian-integration (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-how-mariupol-will-become-key-hub-eurasian-integration)

...while I am not as enthused as he, I see this as a good thing...the Uke's would be better off letting their Rus-favoring former Eastern province go merrily into their new masters hands...and the ecological mess and everything that goes with it...

And I'm sure the BRICs and Iran will dance and sing or whatever...don't care...

As for the Uke diaspora...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/over-4-million-have-fled-ukraine-65m-internally-displaced-un (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/over-4-million-have-fled-ukraine-65m-internally-displaced-un)

...seems many in Europe are less charitable about hosting Caucasian Christians than they are rampaging Mohammadans...

And, since consolidation of East and whatever into the arms of the Russian Empire...i reckon eyes will turn to Moldova, Baltics, Poland...

Oh lookie, Puti's lapdog snarling about the very same...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-warns-poland-over-becoming-natos-front-line (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-warns-poland-over-becoming-natos-front-line)

Yeah, poor Rus, always getting blamed for everything...gosh, perhaps we should just green light them to loot, rape and pillage...

Heck, DemCom's here specialize in just that very thing!!!

Looks like the Shoigu Shuffle could still be in play...

(https://c.tenor.com/H75jdyn25JQAAAAd/bomber.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 31, 2022, 04:37:47 PM

^^^
I do not follow the details on the steel plant. Good post on the details above.
Alex on the Duran said that he heard Kherson had declared independence. That should be interesting.
I hope the Russians hold back some on attacking the plant. Every week that Zelensky delays in settling the worse the settlement will be.

Thanks to the 2015 anti Russian sanction many UA heavy industries and others that sold to Russia were harmed.Motor Sich?

Fighting over the steel plant made me think of Stalingrad. There were battles over a single floor of  plants which changed hands over time, back and forth. I watched the Soviet Storm documentaries on the Eastern front, Ukraine, Sevastopol. I think the docs were on Amazon Prime.

From memory. In the fall before this kicked off the exchange rate was around 70 rubles per USD. Then weeks ago around 130. Now around 82. I thought the ruble was supposed to crash? There is some confusion about paying for gas in rubles. Is there a work around where the EU pays in Euros, and some Russian banks coverts them to Rubles?  Putin made a recent speech where he explained that accepting Euros meant Russia was giving its gas away as the Euros would be seized.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 01, 2022, 09:05:14 AM
Yes, posted that in the Econ thread, basically its a semantics game, nothing has changed...or if you will the sanctions are being ignored...EU pays in Euro's, Gazprombank flips to Rubles which props up the Ruble, EU gets their gas...

Literally, nothing has changed, except semantics.

As to the larger points on sanctions, many are saying Russia is not the target, we are.  But as always it is bogus to engage in investing only in one or the other or quibble on scale loads...it is truly both.

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-forces-reportedly-blow-fuel-depot-russian-territory-daring-cross-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-forces-reportedly-blow-fuel-depot-russian-territory-daring-cross-border)

...I find it a little hard to believe a Russian false-flag attack on their own fuel depot...but regardless...some of the most daring/bloody events occur when enemies are negotiating peace, history is full of examples.

ETA - Tyler(z) "huge escalation"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-approves-sending-combat-tanks-ukraine-huge-escalation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-approves-sending-combat-tanks-ukraine-huge-escalation)

56 Soviet relics from East German days...huge escalation...   ::laughonfloor::

It's not like helping Mahdi Death Cultists with nuclear sh!t!   ::bus::

ETA - Found this...

(https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/tweet-russia-ukraine-civilians-crossfire-tyrannical-governments.jpg)
H/T-CTH

It's where I started, and where I expect to end.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 01, 2022, 01:28:40 PM

I had youtube on this am. It was reported that 5 helicopters tried to remove Azov leaders from Mariupol. 3 succeeded. 2 were shot down, one of those with survivors. Not great for morale IMO when the brass leaves the others behind.

It said that one of the helicopters was shot down with a stinger missile.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 01, 2022, 05:31:14 PM
Here is how I understand the rubles for gas deal. The Russians have managed to structure this deal so that their money is not at risk of being confiscated which was the west's plan so the west is pissed off. Also, Russia gets to control  the exchange rate! EU might get off better by buying rubles elsewhere.

Holeee sh*t. The duran just said that 80% of UA think they are winning the war. IMO that shows the propaganda is working as UA is losing.

The UA strike on the Russian oil depot is like the Doolittle raid on Japan. Great for PR but changes nothing.
The Doolittle raid actually screwed over the Chinese as the Japs thought that the planes came from China as I recall. The Japs retaliated against Chinese.

also
The best military analysis I have heard. 50 minutes.
The Russians have pinned down UA forces in Kiev and Odessa to keep them from fighting elsewhere.  Also somewhat in Khrakov?  Amphibious forces outside Odessa are used like the US did in one of the Gulf Wars, to keep Iraqi forces from leaving as they must remain just in case the amphibious US forces landed.  The UA forces in the east are surrounded per plan.

Ritter gave the UA a grade of A as they did the best they could with what they had. He gave the Russians a grade of B as they abandoned their traditional training and tactics and fought with one hand tied behind their backs and screw up on occasion. He said only the Russians can maneuver now.

Ritter said the Russians expected a warmer welcome as they had before e.g. in Kharkov.

He said the UA army was well trained to NATO standards and had good weapons. But they were not up to NATO standards for air power and anti air defense.

https://rumble.com/vz4nx4-gonzalo-lira-in-conversation-with-scott-ritter-30-march-2022.html
Gonzalo Lira in conversation with Scott Ritter - 30 March, 2022

https://twitter.com/realgonzalolira/status/1509142811781832707?s=28&t=IuVGU0Hej4CkWnJdwp9yYQ

The duran said the CEO of Germany's largest chemical company said if gas shuts off he will lay off 40K people and shut down.

Scott Ritter gives a 2 min summary how Azov took over the peace process and the military.
https://rumble.com/vx80dh-we-trained-nazis-former-us-marine-corp-intelligence-officer-scott-ritter..html

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2022, 10:49:55 AM
As I said, the whole Rubles for gas thing is semantics only...sanctions bypassed...JoeFraud humiliated yet again...

And, I think it is wrong to think of this pissing contest being "won" by anybody, everybody lost...especially civilians...especially those in the former Soviet gulag...(that quip about Rus being surprised at not be welcomed as the Slavic liberator...remember that!)...

Don't care about Nazis, don't care about Imperialist Russians wanting to regain their Soviet size, don't care about feckless Eurotard's, don't about oligarchs East or West getting their balls battered...

Winning?  Come on, the propaganda on both sides is thick with BS!  Russia for whatever reasons it may admit or not admit didn't achieve a total victory and the Ukrainians didn't get totally defeated despite being totally outnumbered, out-equipped and almost completely without any air assets...and regardless if we will ever learn the truth Russia can characterize their special operation any way they desire and I think it obvious they will have nothing but heroics and no admissions of error to declare. 

No matter the outcome, no matter what gets negotiated...if anybody thinks the region will remain peaceful is batshyt-crazy.  As I said many times...this is going to be a pyrrhic victory for Putin & Co...if he thinks this is going to dissuade other for Soviet occupied peoples from reaching out for NATO or dissuade Americans to abandon NATO it is the exact opposite that is occurring...regardless if you, me...we don't like it...it is happening, it will continue to happen and there isn't a damn thing we can do to stop it.

Hero of the Russian Federation, General of the Army and most recently Russian Minister of Defense Sergei Shoigu...is still missing...and after this much time I have to presume he is either rotting in the cells of Lubyanka or rotting in a hole in Khimki forest...so, out with Putin's closest friend and in ascendance is the incendiary Nikolai Patrushev, the Director of the Russian Security Council and FSB.  Patrushev is a long time spook recruited by the KGB in 1975 and this clown is a true-believer in the nobility of his FSB elect and he has hated America since the Cold War and remains convinced America wants Russia to disappear and he is on record stating the Theocracy of Iran is and will remain a vital ally and partner with Russia.  He loathes the West like a diehard Soviet and it shows and he is rumored to have a hand in all of the big corruptions and assassinations over the past two decades.  A model Russian Christian in every respect, eh?  And it appears Putin is also shuffling other high-ranking officers in and out of top positions over opposition to Ukraine policy.  The hard-liners are in ascendance, there will be more special operations, more threats, more opportunities for catastrophic errors.  Bank on it.

ETA in support of NATO point...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-poland-says-its-willing-hosting-us-nukes-russia-deterrent (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/natos-poland-says-its-willing-hosting-us-nukes-russia-deterrent)

Past abuse victims memories have not faded...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 03, 2022, 03:15:32 PM

From the above ZH link
Quote
Addressing the US troop presence, he said, "Poland would be pleased if the Americans increased their presence in Europe from the current 100,000 soldiers up to 150,000 in the future due to Russia's increasing aggressiveness."

I have a better idea. EU can suck it up and increase their own spending and number of troops.

I do not think that Russia will try to increase control over all of UA. Military people have estimated the number of troops to, say, take over Kiev. The number is much too high. Invading Poland? No way. The cost to Russia would be much too high.

I think Russia will hold referendums in the south in UA.  They will never give up some independence for the eastern regions. UA had the chance to settle for mild terms before the invasion. After Russia shed blood the terms will be much worse. 

The WSJ reported that German chancellor Scholz told Zelensky on Feb 19 that if he went public renouncing plans to not join NATO then Biden and Putin would sign a security agreement for UA but Zelensky refused. War could have been avoided. IMO Scholz should have gone public and said UA would never join NATO.

IMO there will be regime change in Germany, France, and UK long before any in Russia. They will freeze in the dark thanks to their own mismanagement, not due to Russia.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2022, 08:05:20 AM
I'd put money down on Putin and his new inner circle of Patrushev and the rest of the hardliners causing more trouble in the coming years...

ETA - How timely!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/niall-ferguson-seven-worst-case-scenarios-war-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/niall-ferguson-seven-worst-case-scenarios-war-ukraine)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2022, 09:19:51 AM
Despite the (p)anti-war scribblers bias...I do not see this as being all that revealing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion)

...pretty sure two devils pledging to be stand up fellows to a third party each wants to devour for their own selfish lusts is a stupid idea only a fool could praise...

...it's closest comparison would be the Hitler-Stalin Non-Aggression Pact...we know how well that worked out.

I think Zelensky rejected it for good reason, it was NATO and Article 5 or nothing...he had no desire to see Ukraine split in half, and he had no desire to be gobbled in whole by Russia given their historical domination and persecution of his people...he wanted the full-meal-deal with the Western Devils...and he got screwed.  Once again, it shows true independence can only be achieved if you seize it for yourself.  Picking a master to kneel to is stupid, always has been, always will be.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2022, 11:50:24 AM
Speaking of stupid...

The Bucha BS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-calls-bucha-narrative-monstrous-forgery-eu-urgently-readies-energy-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-calls-bucha-narrative-monstrous-forgery-eu-urgently-readies-energy-sanctions)

Dead civilians?  Sure, in lot's of towns...who killed them?   ::whatgives::

Russians have "video" days after leaving Bucha and Uke's moving back in?  What is the provenance of the "video"?  <crickets>

You cannot tell me both the US and Russia...and likely China and others...with all the spy satellites in orbit are NOT watching Ukraine 24/7...

So, where's that "evidence", hmmm?

To me the finger-pointing and lack of proof is only making it look like all concerned have zero interest in sharing their dirty laundry!  ALL are culpable, period!  That's the truth nobody wants to discuss.

And this is over-dramatized to be sure...there is no way that corrupt and divided body will boot Russia from the Security Council...it won't boot China...it won't boot the US, though I wish it would!  Then, the dissolution Zelensky threw out there would go quickly from fantasy to reality...and the US could expel all that crap out of our country.

Still, it's a happy thought...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-zelenksy-addresses-un-security-council-bucha-mass-killing-allegations (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-zelenksy-addresses-un-security-council-bucha-mass-killing-allegations)

"Dissolve yourself" is a rallying cry I can get into without any preconditions or debate!  Today the UN, tomorrow NATO...if we can flush DemCom's & DecptiCons from power it would be the ultimate Liberty Trifecta!

 ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 05, 2022, 01:52:50 PM
Despite the (p)anti-war scribblers bias...I do not see this as being all that revealing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion)

...pretty sure two devils pledging to be stand up fellows to a third party each wants to devour for their own selfish lusts is a stupid idea only a fool could praise...

...it's closest comparison would be the Hitler-Stalin Non-Aggression Pact...we know how well that worked out.

I think Zelensky rejected it for good reason, it was NATO and Article 5 or nothing...he had no desire to see Ukraine split in half, and he had no desire to be gobbled in whole by Russia given their historical domination and persecution of his people...he wanted the full-meal-deal with the Western Devils...and he got screwed.  Once again, it shows true independence can only be achieved if you seize it for yourself.  Picking a master to kneel to is stupid, always has been, always will be.

I think Zelensky rejected it for a good reason. Azov would have put a bullet in his head.
It would not have hurt to try it, and at least try to honor the Minsk agreements. Zelenzky outright refused to even meet with the eastern regions as agreed to in the agreements.

Also, I understand that article 5 does not require mutual aid or has not been used that way.
Scott Ritter notes that UA govt apparently is not gathering evidence or allowing investigations in Bucha. He says UA already won the propaganda war on this will not benefit from any investigation. Russia has already been blamed by the west. He says the international human rights criminal court  investigator(?) is already on the ground in UA and asks why he is not investigating.

Also, Russia wanted some emergency meeting of the US security council but UK voted to block it and US said it was a Russian trick.
https://rumble.com/vzmkp3-facts-are-not-the-friends-of-ukraine-and-its-allies-right-now-scott-ritter-.html (https://rumble.com/vzmkp3-facts-are-not-the-friends-of-ukraine-and-its-allies-right-now-scott-ritter-.html)
‘Facts are not the friends of Ukraine and its allies right now’ – Scott Ritter on Bucha allegations
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Published April 4, 2022 4,013 Views

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 05, 2022, 02:06:38 PM
Despite the (p)anti-war scribblers bias...I do not see this as being all that revealing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-rejected-german-security-proposal-russian-invasion)

...pretty sure two devils pledging to be stand up fellows to a third party each wants to devour for their own selfish lusts is a stupid idea only a fool could praise...

...it's closest comparison would be the Hitler-Stalin Non-Aggression Pact...we know how well that worked out.

I think Zelensky rejected it for good reason, it was NATO and Article 5 or nothing...he had no desire to see Ukraine split in half, and he had no desire to be gobbled in whole by Russia given their historical domination and persecution of his people...he wanted the full-meal-deal with the Western Devils...and he got screwed.  Once again, it shows true independence can only be achieved if you seize it for yourself.  Picking a master to kneel to is stupid, always has been, always will be.

I think Zelensky rejected it for a good reason. Azov would have put a bullet in his head.
It would not have hurt to try it, and at least try to honor the Minsk agreements. Zelenzky outright refused to even meet with the eastern regions as agreed to in the agreements.

Also, I understand that article 5 does not require mutual aid or has not been used that way.
Scott Ritter notes that UA govt apparently is not gathering evidence or allowing investigations in Bucha. He says UA already won the propaganda war on this will not benefit from any investigation. Russia has already been blamed by the west. He says the international human rights criminal court  investigator(?) is already on the ground in UA and asks why he is not investigating.

Also, Russia wanted some emergency meeting of the US security council but UK voted to block it and US said it was a Russian trick.
https://rumble.com/vzmkp3-facts-are-not-the-friends-of-ukraine-and-its-allies-right-now-scott-ritter-.html (https://rumble.com/vzmkp3-facts-are-not-the-friends-of-ukraine-and-its-allies-right-now-scott-ritter-.html)
‘Facts are not the friends of Ukraine and its allies right now’ – Scott Ritter on Bucha allegations
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Published April 4, 2022 4,013 Views

Yeah, I despise all potentates on the planet...my default is unchanged...

(https://i0.wp.com/politicallyincorrecthumor.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/tweet-russia-ukraine-civilians-crossfire-tyrannical-governments.jpg)

The PTB's have ruined every spot on the planet...made this world a universal sh!thole...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 05, 2022, 05:23:58 PM
Russian response to the Bucha incident.

https://thesaker.is/press-briefing-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-on-the-situation-in-the-town-of-bucha-kiev-region-and-related-matters/

Press Briefing by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia on the situation in the town of Bucha (Kiev Region) and related matters
15774 Views April 05, 2022 99 Comments

https://russiaun.ru/en/news/pressconf_040422

4 April 2022

Vassily Nebenzia: These are unprecedented times, as you know. What is also unprecedented is what happened yesterday and earlier today. It was unprecedented, unbelievable, and unthinkable. We were denied a Security Council meeting that we requested today from the British Presidency. During my time here, I had emergency meetings of the Security Council on many issues that happened on weekends, on US holidays, etc, and we never objected. What happened is something unbelievable and unprecedented in the history of the United Nations. That is a fact.
....[much more at link]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 05, 2022, 05:26:35 PM

Scott Ritter on his bio. He was air force brat. Majored in Russian history. Joined USMC to kill Russians. Studied Russian military history and doctrine.

Scott says this war has been decades in the making. Not a sudden risky act by Putin.
16:00 Scott cites 2007 Putin speech in Munich. He says it was a great speech. "Do you not know what you have done?"
17:00 He cites the Amb. Wm Burns memo 2009 "Nyet means nyet."   Burns said Russian concerns are real. Consequences will mean Russian will have no choice but to attack. UA will be destroyed. Crimea and Donbas will be lost. He wrote this in 2009.

2014 US backed coup. UA became hyper nationalistic. Nazis weaponized.  Russia was threatened.

23 min. Current goals de Nazi and de militarize. From 2015 on UA army was NATO trained. 1/3 are inter operable with NATO units.

fascinating guy. said he lived in Russia as part of weapons inspector at a rocket factory and learned Russians were humans. Later He quit as UN weapons inspector due to US pressure to do things? He was invited by Jack Kemp to run for congress but did not feel comfortable. So he told donors that he thought abortion was woman's choice and thought training and registration should be required for weapons ownership and would not lie about either.

https://youtu.be/EFpKmbjhuk0
 
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on April 05, 2022, 10:01:14 PM
You left this bit out of Ritter's bio,  Pat:

Scott Ritter's Sex Charges from 2001 Unsealed
Published on December 29, 2010 by

By BRENDAN J. LYONS
Albany Times Union | December 29, 2010

William Scott Ritter Jr., a former United Nations weapons inspector who gained renown for his criticism of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, contends his online sexual encounters with teenage girls were only fantasy.

Nearly two years ago, Ritter, of Delmar, watched his computer screen reveal that an anonymous person who had been exchanging sexually charged messages with him for 80 minutes was not a 15-year-old girl.
......
https://constantinereport.com/scott-ritters-sex-charges-from-2001-unsealed/

I remember agreeing with him about some of his criticisms of our ME foreign,  e.g.,  when he criticized the way we took out the Taliban in Afghanistan,  saying it could have been done with air supported special forces,  and his opposition to the Iraq war.  But it eventually got to the point where all he did was criticize,  seemingly only for the purpose of being a contrarian--whatever position the U.S. took on foreign policy,  he would take the opposite.  Nothing wrong with that if you're right and know you're right,  but I don't think anyone at that time could be as honestly self assured as Ritter was in his criticisms. 
Then when the above story broke about him,  I wrote him off...for good. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2022, 08:16:12 AM
Russian response to the Bucha incident.

https://thesaker.is/press-briefing-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-on-the-situation-in-the-town-of-bucha-kiev-region-and-related-matters/

Press Briefing by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia on the situation in the town of Bucha (Kiev Region) and related matters
15774 Views April 05, 2022 99 Comments

https://russiaun.ru/en/news/pressconf_040422

4 April 2022

Vassily Nebenzia: These are unprecedented times, as you know. What is also unprecedented is what happened yesterday and earlier today. It was unprecedented, unbelievable, and unthinkable. We were denied a Security Council meeting that we requested today from the British Presidency. During my time here, I had emergency meetings of the Security Council on many issues that happened on weekends, on US holidays, etc, and we never objected. What happened is something unbelievable and unprecedented in the history of the United Nations. That is a fact.
....[much more at link]

Vassily needs a tissue.   :'(

 ::laughonfloor::

Russia wants meeting!  West wanted NSC vote to end the war.  They are all stupid little brats!   ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2022, 08:18:49 AM
You left this bit out of Ritter's bio,  Pat:

Scott Ritter's Sex Charges from 2001 Unsealed
Published on December 29, 2010 by

By BRENDAN J. LYONS
Albany Times Union | December 29, 2010

William Scott Ritter Jr., a former United Nations weapons inspector who gained renown for his criticism of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East, contends his online sexual encounters with teenage girls were only fantasy.

Nearly two years ago, Ritter, of Delmar, watched his computer screen reveal that an anonymous person who had been exchanging sexually charged messages with him for 80 minutes was not a 15-year-old girl.
......
https://constantinereport.com/scott-ritters-sex-charges-from-2001-unsealed/

I remember agreeing with him about some of his criticisms of our ME foreign,  e.g.,  when he criticized the way we took out the Taliban in Afghanistan,  saying it could have been done with air supported special forces,  and his opposition to the Iraq war.  But it eventually got to the point where all he did was criticize,  seemingly only for the purpose of being a contrarian--whatever position the U.S. took on foreign policy,  he would take the opposite.  Nothing wrong with that if you're right and know you're right,  but I don't think anyone at that time could be as honestly self assured as Ritter was in his criticisms. 
Then when the above story broke about him,  I wrote him off...for good.

"It's all fantasy..."

Said every groomer and Epstein rape buddy ever!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2022, 08:31:21 AM
In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-receives-tanks-czech-republic-after-reports-us-quietly-assisting (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-receives-tanks-czech-republic-after-reports-us-quietly-assisting)

...a dozen old T-72's won't win the war...but will make the cost a bit higher for the invaders, and that's about all.

However, the woke Pentagon REMF's are all-in on a long bloody conflict in Europe...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/05/joint-chiefs-chairman-general-mark-milley-sees-ukraine-as-a-long-term-protracted-battle/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/05/joint-chiefs-chairman-general-mark-milley-sees-ukraine-as-a-long-term-protracted-battle/)

...so, unless legitimate leadership returns to the White House and Congress and the unraveling of sh!t and more important the mass expelling of sh!t occurs, or it doesn't and the descent into Hell nationally and globally goes full-tilt unstoppable...

PS - How to get raw data, verify dates?

https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1511095975821168650 (https://twitter.com/Maxar/status/1511095975821168650)

Otherwise this thing remains unproven either way.

ETA - Now the Mayor of Motyzhyn and her husband and son are claimed to have been tortured and murdered by Russians.

https://nypost.com/2022/04/04/ukrainian-mayor-found-executed-as-images-of-mass-grave-are-released/ (https://nypost.com/2022/04/04/ukrainian-mayor-found-executed-as-images-of-mass-grave-are-released/)

These pictures and those of Bucha are not pleasant...somebody killed them...and so far Ukraine appears to be winning the propaganda war on it...

But, as I stated earlier...no government releasing their sat info...nobody getting a different story out of locals...and all it takes is for one episode to be true and it won't matter how many aren't...damage done.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 06, 2022, 05:35:40 PM
Also interesting false flag scenario. Blow up NATO equipment before it gets to UA border, inside the EU. In a train loaded with children, and puppies.

About these countries sending heavy weapons to UA.
Aren't they mostly sending targets on trains for Russian target practice?
What am I missing? Maybe they get to trade in old Soviet crap in exchange for brand new war machines paid for by the US.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691043/First-NATO-country-sends-tanks-Ukraine-Czech-Republic-provides-tanks-following-Zelenskys-plea.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10691043/First-NATO-country-sends-tanks-Ukraine-Czech-Republic-provides-tanks-following-Zelenskys-plea.html)
First NATO country sends tanks to Ukraine: Czech Republic provides T-72 tanks and armoured infantry vehicles following Zelensky's plea for help

...
https://twitter.com/MaraPillado1/status/1511686823009005572 (https://twitter.com/MaraPillado1/status/1511686823009005572)
The Czech Republic has sent T-72 tanks to Ukraine.
This makes it the first NATO country to send heavy artillery equipment to Ukraine.
It is noted that the train has already arrived on the territory of Ukraine. Prague is counting on Washington

comments
Train cars will be interspersed with passenger cars for maximum effect

Stupid question: Whats stopping the Russian forces from just waiting until it crosses into Ukraine and then blowing it up?

Welcome to Lusitanian Railways, tickets please…..

How much would they have to pay to get you on that train?

They don’t need to get anyone on the train. They can put the bodies in the wreck later but they need the passenger cars destroyed for the photobook


But hitting it while in EU would make it an easy-mode false-flag.

Which is why I believe they will simply target a clear millitary nato asset somewhere instead.



Swap out the tanks for underprivileged African orphans right before the border and hope Putin hypersonics it

https://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/1511131033902755844 (https://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/1511131033902755844)

The age of the equipment being sent is clearly 90’s soviet sell off stock. No reactive armor /advanced fire control on those T72s and BMP1’s light armor. Target Practice for Russia

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703335 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-703335)
Zelensky: Ukraine will be like Israel, not demilitarized like Switzerland after war
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Ukraine will not be demilitarized like Switzerland, but a "big Israel."
By TOVAH LAZAROFF
Published: APRIL 5, 2022 21:27
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2022, 08:27:48 AM
The answer is "War"...it no longer matters what the questions are...

And winning friends and influencing people...has never been a Russian strong point...there's a reason why regardless of form of government the Russians seem to always be aligned with the most nefarious nations on the planet...China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran etc...I would argue they would be taken more seriously if they weren't aligned with such and arming such...which in latter day vernacular means no matter what they lose PR battles on optics alone before they even start...

And invading Ukraine to send a message to NATO to back off can only be described as a monumental failure...they are all arming up, they are all taking in troops, they are all on edge...

And Finland, another nation with some unpleasant history with their crazy neighbor, is now saying what they're thinking out loud...

“In this new situation and changed security environment, we’ll have to evaluate all means to guarantee the safety of Finland and Finns,” Marin said. “We’ll have to seriously mull over our own stance and approach to military alignment. We’ll have to do this carefully but quickly, effectively during the course of this spring.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-mulling-nato-membership-after-russia-warns-serious-consequences (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-mulling-nato-membership-after-russia-warns-serious-consequences)

And demonstrating the genetic predisposition towards victimhood the Russians fall back once again on their favorite crutch...the West is being mean to us!  LOL!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-then-dump-lavrov-calls-new-ukrainian-draft-peace-proposal-unacceptable (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-then-dump-lavrov-calls-new-ukrainian-draft-peace-proposal-unacceptable)

Hilarious.  Said it many times, will say it again...there is batshyt-crazy children on every side of this sh!tshow, no men of honor, just selfish narcissists...the West sucks, yeah no sh!t Sherlockov, we know, we live under occupation, thank you effing very much!  But y'all suck too, and now people like me will never see the US out of NATO cause you took the Ukraine bait and got everybody buzzing like angry wasps who had their nest kicked in...it could be decades or never now...unlikely in my lifetime I'll see us out of Europe, so thanks a lot assholes!  The Putin-Patrushev hardliners calling the shots gave the DeepState the enemy they most needed right when they needed them most.

No winners, all losers...especially everyone's citizens...

The dumpster fire is global...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2022, 12:47:55 PM
Oh oh...now they're going after Putin's bastards...

https://www.the-sun.com/news/5063018/putins-secret-daughters-sanctions-tyrant-dads-war-crimes-ukraine/ (https://www.the-sun.com/news/5063018/putins-secret-daughters-sanctions-tyrant-dads-war-crimes-ukraine/)

...gettin' serious now.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 07, 2022, 04:15:46 PM

The EU will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.
The US will fight Russia to the last European.


I read the the EU will ban all fossil fuel imports from Russia. I.e. the EU threatened to shoot themselves in the head.
That'll show Russia!

The anti Russian gas actions will destroy German industry.

The way I see it, Zelensky is kinda agreeing to some of the parts of the Minsk agreements. UA is agreeing to some of the initial Russian demands before the invasion. IMO it is far too late for that. After Russia spilled Russian blood they are not going to settle for their initial demands they made to prevent the invasion. I think that some in the west are still trying to goad Zelensky into to playing hard ball with Russia.

There is lots of speculation as to why UA keeps risking helicopters to rescue someone or something from the Mariupol steel plant. I think they sent 7 and lost 4 helicopters. Macron begging Putin for a humanitarian corridor. That was accepted and refused not sure of what order. Is there something so important there that cannot be allowed out through a corridor?  Talk of a US officer that was partially dis-proven then re-opened.

Russia committed around 40K troops to take Mariupol. About the same number around Kiev, a much bigger city. IMO the Russians never intended to take Kiev. They can do the math. They just wanted to pin down troops there.  Western reporters kept reporting from Kiev because the good hotels and bars are there. They might get shot at in the east.

The former Warsaw pact companies are complaining that they are out of war supplies to send to UA.

What false flag operation will UA do to draw the US into the war? Perhaps blow up a train carrying weapons to Ukraine, but outside of Ukraine. Hopefully with passengers killed also.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2022, 04:55:37 PM
It's like casino action...instead of betting on black or red (only an idiot plays a number...unless its rigged)...bet on life and death...

I'm all-in on death, everybody craves it...

Might as well get it out of everybody's system...

After all, betting on the action is all we can do, nobody GAFF what we think...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 08, 2022, 12:06:24 PM
More finger-pointing...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-condemns-horrific-russian-attack-train-station-which-left-30-dead-kremlin-rejects (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-condemns-horrific-russian-attack-train-station-which-left-30-dead-kremlin-rejects)

Rus say the old Soviet system only used by Ukraine...is there confirmation on that?  I know they use a lot of the same stuff, for obvious reasons...

Slovakia it's sole S-300 mobile launcher...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-member-slovakia-announces-transfer-s-300-anti-air-system-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-member-slovakia-announces-transfer-s-300-anti-air-system-ukraine)

Meanwhile, back on the blow-back front...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-sweden-nato-applications-could-be-imminent-after-stoltenberg-suggests-fast (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-sweden-nato-applications-could-be-imminent-after-stoltenberg-suggests-fast)

...getting Sweden & Finland into NATO continues to build momentum.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 08, 2022, 01:09:07 PM
^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 08, 2022, 03:57:52 PM
^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on April 08, 2022, 05:01:33 PM
^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...

Only saps pay the way for everyone else,
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2022, 09:49:20 AM
^^^^^
More NATO members that will not pay their own way?

I remember all the squealing when orange man demanded they pay more.

I remember a meme years back. Four  female defense chiefs from Nordic countries plus the Russian defense head who was one gruff looking SOB. I see Finland and Sweden have male defense ministers now.

Only saps pay their own way...

Only saps pay the way for everyone else,

Both are true...only the US agrees to be a sap...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2022, 09:17:52 AM
This will be fun...let's tie Ukraine, Russia, US, Europe/NATO and China all together to illustrate how stupidity and bullsh*t can elevate to an existential threat for billions of people with no say in the psychotic actions of their respective governments!

This will have relevance to our ongoing discussions in this thread as to the fates of Russia and Ukraine and the other Eastern European nations, as well as the fates of  Europe (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,3449.580.html), [ur=]https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.60.html]NATO[/url], and China, Taiwan and neighboring Asian nations (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18930.0.html) and of course America.

First up - China nuke build up is a result of fearing regime change.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-nuclear-expansion-confirmed-beijing-officials-cite-fear-us-led-regime-change (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-nuclear-expansion-confirmed-beijing-officials-cite-fear-us-led-regime-change)

It's a load of sh!t of course...the level of conventional devastation required to topple a paranoid communist Chinese regime makes that fear laughable.  No doubt it is germinated in part as a result of JoeFraud spewing his Russia regime change BS out loud and failing miserably to walk it back...in and of itself is insufficient however to use as an excuse for a nuclear build up, but it does emphasize the stupidity of saying crap like that out loud even if you want it.  Pretty piss poor cover for the Chi-Com's to use to justify their nuclear buildup...and I do not believe their no-first-strike promises...but I do believe this is accelerating their plans to take Taiwan, I definitely think that is totally in-play right now.  And assuming such a conflict stays isolated or conventional I think is ignorant and foolishly dangerous.

Moving on, but still on that immanent fear of invasion/regime change...what's good for the goose is good for the gander, though both sides deny the latter...the increasing NATO build up from Romania to the Baltics -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-plans-massive-military-buildup-russias-border-citing-major-reset (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-plans-massive-military-buildup-russias-border-citing-major-reset)

All sides are acting like each other and accusing each other of being naughty...yet, nothing is stopping either.  Seems pretty definitive trajectory to me.

And lastly, if on the odd chance things East and West don't go super hot, just kinda hot...something IMO is unlikely...then the Plan B is global partitioning...and this article paints in interesting new landscape -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro)

I find it hilarious the EU arguably comes out the biggest loser.

But, whatever...I doubt what is approaching will be anything less than horrific for most everybody...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2022, 12:11:52 PM
Apparently the Scandinavian interest in entering NATO is serious...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-set-nato-membership-soon-summer-russian-official-warns-destruction-their (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-set-nato-membership-soon-summer-russian-official-warns-destruction-their)

...I'm sure the threats from a Russian Duma member and warnings from propaganda minister Peskov will have their desired effect.  LOL!

Meanwhile, Russia doubles-down on the longed-for status of savior of the world from the menace of US-led Western Deviltry...which should illicit giggles from those threatened by Russian territorial ambitions to restore their former Soviet girth (that quip about "equals" was cute, reminds me of the good old days of the Cold War and reaffirms yet again the fragile Russian ego) or the snickers in the East from those threatened by an expansionist Chinese Communist regime with the ravenous appetite of a starved dragon.

Everybody just talking past everybody anyway, nobody is serious about common sense and binding agreements not giving implicit or de facto advantage one direction or other...the desire is only for conflict by all parties.  ALL!

There is no difference between Borrell's "battlefield solution" or Russia's threats to punish nations rejecting its demands.  Same sh!t.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 11, 2022, 09:34:31 PM
.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hudson-dollar-devours-euro)

I find it hilarious the EU arguably comes out the biggest loser.

But, whatever...I doubt what is approaching will be anything less than horrific for most everybody...
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Thanks for the Michael Hudson link. I will read it later. I am sure it will cheer me up. /s
If you ever want a fascinating look at the guy here is a link. What an interesting life. He has Minneapolis ties. His father was a Trotskyist who lead the Minneapolis general strike and ended up in the federal pen for sedition. Vox Day introduced me to him. I read a couple of his books.

https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4 (https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4)
Michael Hudson - Life and Thought 20180507

Also, the Duran has been saying that the EU is the big loser in this Russia energy and gas pipeline fiasco.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2022, 08:55:45 AM
If we would have kicked more commie ass in the past, perhaps we wouldn't be overrun with so many now?  Joe McCarthy was right.

Anyway, in the lasted news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/unfriendly-visit-austrian-chancellor-first-eu-leader-meet-putin-war-began (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/unfriendly-visit-austrian-chancellor-first-eu-leader-meet-putin-war-began)

"Didn't go well", yeah, that's a shame...well, get used to that...all sides fixed and intransigent...is a guarantee of not well...

Black Sea shipping has become "uninsurable"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/war-risk-premiums-make-ships-entering-black-sea-uninsurable (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/war-risk-premiums-make-ships-entering-black-sea-uninsurable)

...lack of exports gonna hurt.  High-prices aside, disasters are compounding...hear Uke grain is wet/rotting in holds and worthless...wait till millions around the globe are starving and desperate...people won't care about leaders or governments...apart from kicking their ass if recognized...it'll be dystopian in all respects...

Self-anointed Geniuses on all sides think they can navigate and manager the chaos...I really doubt that.

This is an economic perspective behind things...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/11/reports-of-finland-and-sweden-likely-to-join-nato-highlight-global-financial-cleaving-underway/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/11/reports-of-finland-and-sweden-likely-to-join-nato-highlight-global-financial-cleaving-underway/)

...and my sole takeaway is this: I will not agree to be forced into an either/or choice...I don't want to be either's slave...so I choose eff all y'all!!!   ::doublebird::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 12, 2022, 01:50:52 PM


I have no idea exactly what happened but perhaps the Biden admin tried to threaten the Paki PM if he did not back the US against Russia. Paki PM remained neutral.  The PM said Biden was attempting regime change and used the moment to his political advantage. He dissolved parliament and called for new elections. The the courts in over ruled him and he is ousted.

https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament (https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament)
...
A defiant Khan called for supporters to stage demonstrations countrywide to protest the vote. Khan has accused the opposition of being in cahoots with the United States to unseat him, saying America wants him gone over his foreign policy choices that often favor China and Russia.


I found more on this. Jackson Hinkle dug deeper into the recent ouster of the Paki PM. He was ousted for harming US Paki relations. IMO the US was behind it. All the US needed to do was pressure/bribe a very small number of Pakis.
https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E (https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E)
Imran Khan OUSTED By US Puppets In Pakistan
3,107 views
Apr 11, 2022

massive Paki crowds at link, videos
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473 (https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 12, 2022, 01:53:08 PM

Interesting guy. Former NATO guy. Swiss.
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/ (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/)
https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8 (https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8)
US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to 'weaken Russia': fmr. NATO adviser
As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.

Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2022, 04:25:19 PM


I have no idea exactly what happened but perhaps the Biden admin tried to threaten the Paki PM if he did not back the US against Russia. Paki PM remained neutral.  The PM said Biden was attempting regime change and used the moment to his political advantage. He dissolved parliament and called for new elections. The the courts in over ruled him and he is ousted.

https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament (https://www.kanw.com/npr-news/2022-04-02/pakistan-is-thrown-into-crisis-after-the-prime-minister-dissolves-parliament)
...
A defiant Khan called for supporters to stage demonstrations countrywide to protest the vote. Khan has accused the opposition of being in cahoots with the United States to unseat him, saying America wants him gone over his foreign policy choices that often favor China and Russia.


I found more on this. Jackson Hinkle dug deeper into the recent ouster of the Paki PM. He was ousted for harming US Paki relations. IMO the US was behind it. All the US needed to do was pressure/bribe a very small number of Pakis.
https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E (https://youtu.be/m_A_qrNXX2E)
Imran Khan OUSTED By US Puppets In Pakistan
3,107 views
Apr 11, 2022

massive Paki crowds at link, videos
https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473 (https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1513232489464041473)

 ::laughonfloor::

How do you harm something that sucked under every Admin?!?!?!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2022, 04:29:20 PM

Interesting guy. Former NATO guy. Swiss.
https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/ (https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/)
https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8 (https://youtu.be/r4zReg7Bhu8)
US, EU sacrificing Ukraine to 'weaken Russia': fmr. NATO adviser
As the Russia-Ukraine war enters a new phase, former Swiss intelligence officer, senior United Nations official, and NATO advisor Jacques Baud analyzes the conflict and argues that the US and its allies are exploiting Ukraine in a longstanding campaign to bleed its Russian neighbor.

Guest: Jacques Baud. Former intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service who has served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the United Nations, and with the Swiss military.

Wow, really went out on a limb...doesn't say much about Swiss military, Intelligence, NATO or what gets dumped on a UN posting...   ::rolllaughing::

No mention it takes two to tango either...simply brilliant!!!

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2022, 08:38:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-are-charge-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/americans-are-charge-war-says-french-journalist-who-returned-ukraine)

If that can be proven with evidence, not just somebody saying so...it could make for some interesting theatrics on Capitol Hill...but given the lawless nature of Dem's and Cuck's in this government probably won't matter a damn anyway...but it is interesting Putin isn't exploiting it, which begs the question "why?"...and all I can speculate on is he has some under the table action happening too...

So, back to square one...everybody wants a fight...there is no escaping it...and if it gets out of hand all they care about is who survives and assigns the blame...

(https://images3.imgbox.com/60/9e/Z45Z5wxc_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2022, 12:37:30 PM
Sweden to apply for NATO membership...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-apply-nato-membership-prime-minister-announces (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-apply-nato-membership-prime-minister-announces)

The protracted conflict and endemic risk involved appears to still be advancing unimpeded...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-convenes-meeting-top-8-us-arms-makers-they-reap-ukraine-windfall (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-convenes-meeting-top-8-us-arms-makers-they-reap-ukraine-windfall)

Vlad promises to destroy more deliveries...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/kremlin-again-warns-us-nato-weapons-transports-ukraine-will-be-attacked (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/kremlin-again-warns-us-nato-weapons-transports-ukraine-will-be-attacked)

https://youtu.be/LAf0QnLFS7Q (https://youtu.be/LAf0QnLFS7Q)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 13, 2022, 02:21:40 PM

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/20/3e/9c/203e9ce36062d82276af3b894406f4da.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 13, 2022, 04:44:35 PM
Yeah, got that one too, I have a slew...

Where the world is at -

(https://images3.imgbox.com/16/d0/hAMSZR8f_o.jpg)

(https://images2.imgbox.com/d9/5b/whoUVpR9_o.jpg)

...and where any "survivors" will be headed...

(https://images3.imgbox.com/17/24/x7l0D9ay_o.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2022, 09:05:04 AM
I like VDH, as a result of his many decades of researching and writing he tends to have a historical sweep to his articles...and this one is no different...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/can-ukraine-ever-win (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/can-ukraine-ever-win)

...and folks can quibble on this or that...but in general I find his reasoning sound, mostly when I disagree with him it is because he ties things off in a rosier way than I would...I favor scenarios and leaving it to people to arrive at their conclusions, which can be an either/or or not sure result...especially on large complex multi-variable instances like global events like this...

His closing is what I think is worth discussing:

So can Ukraine ever win?

Ukraine must stop the airborne wreckage by gaining air supremacy through the use of more sophisticated and larger anti-aircraft batteries and far more SAMs and Stinger smaller systems. Some NATO nations may have to send Ukraine their Soviet-era fighters to replace losses - with conditions that they stay inside Ukrainian air space.

Second, the supply war must no longer be defined as a larger Russian economy versus tiny Ukraine.

Instead, Putin is now warring against the supply chain of all of Europe and the United States - and all out of his reach. The Ukrainian war machine will only grow - if fueled by allies that combined account for 70 percent of the world's GDP.

Putin cannot stop the influx of Western help unless he threatens to use nuclear weapons.

Ukraine may reach a tipping point soon if it can both stop Russian air attacks and expel Putin's ground troops from its cities.

But Kyiv cannot realistically invade Russia to hit its supply depots. It cannot go nuclear to deter future Russian invasions. It cannot shame a bloodthirsty Putin on the world's humanitarian stage.

And it cannot join NATO to win the direct help of 30 other nations.

But what Ukraine can do is push Russian troops back to the border regions and let the Russian-speaking Ukrainian borderlands work out their own star-crossed relationships with a now blood-soaked and unreliable Putin.

It can inflict such death and destruction on the conventional Russian military that Putin will fear he will suffer even worse global humiliation that the United States faced after Afghanistan.

Ukraine can also seek an armistice along the Black Sea coast.

It might agree to a plebiscite or some sort of demilitarized zone and small-scale population exchanges to ensure that Crimea does not become a permanent battleground.

All that is not outright victory, but it is something.

And that something was not imaginable when Russia invaded in late February.

I highlighted the gigantic elephant in the room, because unless this stays conventional...the pragmatic end he envisions has zero chance of happening.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 14, 2022, 03:57:21 PM
VDH is nuts.
UA cannot push Russia back to the borders because the bulk of the initial fighting was done by the Donbas militias, not the Russians. The new UA eastern borders stop at the Donbas western borders.

Anti aircraft batteries? From where? How do they make it to UA? They will be destroyed once inside UA.

Soviet era fighters? Does he mean ancient relics?  How will they make it into UA? I read that most of the ancient soviet equipment from the eastern block was already gone.

It might agree to a plebiscite? They had several in 2014 and UA ignored them all and doubled down. They had their chance and blew it. They even massed maybe 60K forces on their eastern border with the Donbas to retake that territory.

UA can make pin prick raids into Russia but as Russia recently announced, if that is done they will retaliate against the "decision making centers" in Kiev. So far Kiev has been expending the bodies of UA outside of Kiev. Russia has deliberately left most of Kiev alone.

The idea that Kiev fought off the Russians is a joke. It would take at least 10x the troops outside Kiev to take the city and the Russians know that. Also, Kiev is anti Russian and would be a pain to occupy. If Russia wanted to take Kiev I imagine that would involve heavy artillery and bombing. I do not think they have even tried that.

I followed the Duran for years. They have long said that there is nothing that goes on in UA that Russia does not know about. Lots of spies and corruption and inter marriage.  They know where city hall is in Kiev and likely where officials are hiding.

I suspect that most of the troops in Mariupol were from outside that city and had no problem seeing the city destroyed.

In WWII I recall that once France realized there were no troops in between the Germans and Paris, they surrendered. That saved Paris and lots of lives. Mariupol was doomed yet Zelensky was willing to see the city destroyed and lots of troops dead. In the end the Russians won either way. With city intact or in rubble. Zelensky's choice. Good generals surrender when there is no hope of victory or at least some good goal.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 14, 2022, 04:17:40 PM

I found this gem. Michael Hudson on UA. Short videos. 2015.

https://youtu.be/85atPgAJmtM
The IMF Won’t Save Ukraine
11,806 views
Jun 9, 2015
The Nation
Are western Ukrainians to surrender the right to determine their economic policy and risk the loss of state-owned industries and assets in exchange for loans from the International Monetary Fund? In the first of three videos, Michael Hudson, Jeffrey Sommers, and James Carden explain why economic integration with the West won’t turn Ukraine into an economic success story.

https://youtu.be/qIb0M9aOw-Y
Will Ukraine Join NATO? 6 min.
5,443 views
Jun 9, 2015
Is the invitation for Ukraine to join Europe’s economic association a means to expand NATO’s jurisdiction? In the second of three videos, Michael Hudson, Jeffrey Sommers, and James Carden explain why Russia may not be able to tolerate a foreign military alliance along its western border.

https://youtu.be/4E-EoOkLF_g
The US Is Antagonizing Russia in Ukraine - Prof. Michael Hudson
8,466 views
Jun 9, 2015
The Nation
41.5K subscribers
When the Euromaidan movement began in Ukraine, the US quickly jumped behind it. In this third video in a three-part series, Michael Hudson, Jeffrey Sommers, and James Carden explain that US policymakers have continued to support the Westernization of Ukraine through the present day. But in doing so is Washington antagonizing Russia?

Contributors:
Michael Hudson is a former balance-of-payments economist for Chase Manhattan Bank, Distinguished Research Professor of Economics at the University of Missouri, Kansas City, and an author of a major study of the IMF. Jeffrey Sommers is Associate Professor of Political Economy at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and a visiting lecturer at the Stockholm School of Economics in Riga. James Carden is a former Advisor to the State Department on Russia and a regular contributor to The Nation. Moderator Alexander Reed Kelly is an assistant editor at Truthdig.

This series was recorded in the Brooklyn office of Verso Books, and was produced by Endless Picnic.

If anyone wants a bio on Michael Hudson
https://youtu.be/hH9pzzIIEj4

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2022, 04:52:30 PM
So you don't see it as a protracted conflict?  What has happened so far to merit that conclusion?  Without going into Kyiv and the rest of the West are they simply going to lay down arms?  Are the Russians and their allies in the East going to be happy behind their Eastern lands and exchanging shots?  Nobody is talking, nobody is interested in yielding on anything and nobody is laying down arms...

Sounds like a perpetual stalemate to me.

And I don't see anybody caring about not sending more weapons and ammo into Ukraine, so if Russia flies in or lobs missiles eventually they're going to receive reciprocal attention...because the longer this goes on the more agitated the Euro's in NATO will be to step in, and they and us just keep pouring more troops and material into the region.

Are these guys aware of any of that?  Are they aware of the constant buzzing of drones, RivetJoint snoopers, tankers & C&C planes coordinating fighter CAPs over Eastern Europe and all the heavy-lift activity?  Our East coast especially has been buzzing with heavy-lift activity mostly flowing East and heavy fighter/trainer activity and tankers and Doomsday flights and C&C planes and snoopers and sniffers and high-altitude surveillance balloons over America and Europe gobbling everything they can...they even aware of all this?  They think this is all going on for jollies?

At some point sh!t is going to break, not a matter of if, it's a clear matter of when!  People may not like it, but guess what, those people can't do sh!t about it...so I'd be a little more concerned than these guys...they're gonna stroke out when the pooh hits...and it won't matter who is blaming who...all are to blame because all the shot-callers East and West want it...each is convinced they can be the one to emerge victorious...King of the Ashes!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 14, 2022, 06:21:14 PM



I don't think the west cares about Ukraine any more than they care about Libya, Syria, Iraq, Serbia.
The US is more than happy to turn countries into wastelands just because.
The US govt and somewhat our people are bloodthirsty and aggressive and have no reverse gear and no taste for negotiating. If you disagree find out how many US people care about the above countries we have trashed.

IMO NATO will not send any more troops into UA. NATO troops and equipment inside UA is fair game.

Russia sees this as a life or death struggle. The US does not. NATO advances east despite promises not to do so and Russia knows what NATO and the US do to countries. They have watched NATO moving east like a ratchet. They know of long term plans  to degrade Russia as a nation. These plans are in writing and in books even but could be argued to be theoretical. US plans for regime change all over the world cannot be denied. Biden did not help with his recent statements even though he is senile.  Take a poll of millions of screaming Pakis this week about regime change. Watch the Wesley Clark video of years ago about 7 countries in 5 years as I recall. 

At this point Russia would be happy with the Donbas  being independent or part of Russia and Crimea staying part of Russia. They want to occupy Kiev like they want rectal cancer. IMO Russia will be happy to negotiate a peace but the US will want to fight until every Ukrainian is dead and eastern Ukraine is rubble. Maybe the US will fight to the last European.  If the US wants the UA govt to further attack the Donbas or Russia from western Ukraine Russia will return fire and level Kiev piece by piece. If NATO gets more involved, Russia can pulverize Warsaw or Berlin with hypersonics and not even go nuclear.  NATO had trained about 1/3 of UA troops to NATO standards. Russia noticed BTW.

Russia would regard neutral UA as a win. The US regards that as a loss. Let that sink in.

I think Europe will grow tired of the mess the US made and step in. They did around 2015 and kept the blood thirsty US out of the Minsk talks. Back then the heads of Germany and France had spines. They may again some day and stand up to the US. IMO the US goaded the UA govt into ignoring the Minsk agreements. Maybe EU countries will pressure UA govt into negotiating in good faith. They remember what war on their turf is like. In the US we watch it on TV. Zelensky said around 2021 that he had no intention of honoring the Minsk agreements. Too late now.

Putin is regarded as being too soft BTW. He is not a hard liner by Kremlin standards.

I remember in Syria where the US directly armed AQ and indirectly(?) armed ISIS. ISIS was advancing on Damascus. John Kerry is on tape saying this is good because it will apply pressure on Assad. So the cavalry comes riding over the hill to save civilization from the savages and they are Russian. I thought my head would explode. I thought we were the good guys. Do you think the rest of the world noticed?

I cannot remember the deal the UA govt wanted with Russia in 2014 but remember it was better than the EU deal, as Michael Hudson discussed above. So the US backed a coup to bring us where we are today.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 14, 2022, 06:29:41 PM
Quote
And I don't see anybody caring about not sending more weapons and ammo into Ukraine, so if Russia flies in or lobs missiles eventually they're going to receive reciprocal attention...because the longer this goes on the more agitated the Euro's in NATO will be to step in, and they and us just keep pouring more troops and material into the region.

UA has been lobbing shells into the Donbas for 8 years. 14K dead.  The Russians recently made sure they received reciprocal attention. All the NATO fancy equipment outside of UA will not change much. Once it enters UA it may be destroyed.

IMO the Euros will never become agitated enough to send in their troops to die. Neither will the US. Ursula turned the German army into a joke as I recall.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2022, 09:11:17 AM
I keep trying to emphasize there are no saints on any side here...I can be disdainful of Putin and Russia and our own despicable government and feckless Euro's simultaneously...and I see no reason to alter that practice...finger pointing and butthurtness doesn't excite me nor is it going to alter the reality one iota, but if it feels good by all means run with it...

This by Martin Armstrong dovetails with what I'm trying to emphasize...both the Illegitimate JoeFraud regime and the Euro's need war...it doesn't matter where or why or how...it only matters that it happens.  Their Great Reset under Option 1 - Scamdemic is fizzling, sure, some lemmings have been culled by murderous WuFlu hospitalization protocols, sure the Clot Shot's fullyu known and indemnified complications have taken some more and likely will take some more out...but, still too many damned sheep (and troublesome wolves) left, so only way to cull some more and turn around the economies destroyed by Option 1 is to go to Option 2 - World War.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-needs-wwiii-martin-armstrong-warns-theres-no-return-normal-here (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-needs-wwiii-martin-armstrong-warns-theres-no-return-normal-here)

And you cannot have a World War without willing participants.

Russia took the bait and entered Ukraine...twice...and allowed NATO to expand more not less...do you really think he will refuse more bait?

I don't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/14/russia-threatens-new-nuclear-deployments-if-sweden-finland-join-nato.html)

The passion for war on all sides only grows...

But I'm sure the post-war survivors will be crowing about victory and writing the history that points the right fingers at the right targets and that will make everyone feel a lot better...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2022, 10:34:04 AM

I can't see Putin taking on much more than places where the Russians are wanted. I do not know the reasons for taking Mariupol or how much the Russians are wanted there. They may be  more welcome than the UA govt at this point.

I do know that Putin objected to the Donbas independence as he just wanted the mess there settle via Minsk agreed to meetings but the UA govt refused to even meet with the Donbas. Why meet with subhumans?

The US is willing to send money and arms to UA but nothing else. The EU will never send troops. Not sure about money or arms.

I saw this video in AM. Some guy in eastern Mariupol. In short, AZOV/UA were shooting at civilians they knew were civilians. After AZOV/UA left civilian bodies were found with hands tied shot in the back. A nurse who worked at the hospital said UA kicked them out of the hospital and took it over. Not to use as a hospital as she said it no longer functioned as such after they left. At the end he says that the locals report that AZOV shelled the hospital from the steel works after they left.

https://youtu.be/-2qiqpMN6dM
Dozens of Murdered civilians Found in Mariupol after Ukraine retreats (Some hands bound)
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Patrick Lancaster
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They use a word translated to "mine" but not sure what they mean. I have heard that before also.
Once the city was surrounded with no chance of reinforcements or resupply the game was over. The UA govt lost.  No reason for the city to be destroyed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2022, 11:35:16 AM
You are definitely more optimistic than I...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 15, 2022, 12:28:36 PM
Wow, this is not small issue...

Russia’s Black Sea flagship missile cruiser, the Moskva, sank while being towed to port after an explosion caused by an unexplained fire, the Russian defence ministry has said, after Ukraine said it had hit the ship with a missile or missiles.

Although Russia did not confirm that Ukrainian missiles had hit the ship, early on Friday it struck what it described as a factory in Kyiv that made and repaired anti-ship missiles, in apparent retaliation.

Ukraine said it had struck the Moskva with Neptune anti-ship cruise missiles while distracting its crew with an aerial drone, causing it to start sinking and forcing the crew of 500 to abandon ship.

Russia’s defence ministry initially denied reports that it had sunk and claimed the fires had been extinguished. It said four Russian ships that had gone to the Moskva’s rescue were hampered by bad weather and by ammunition blowing up on board.

Late on Thursday the ministry said in a statement: “The cruiser ship Moskva lost its stability when it was towed to the port because of the damage to the ship’s hull that it received during the fire from the detonation of ammunition. In stormy sea conditions, the ship sank.”

The claim of bad weather being a factor in the sinking was questioned by observers. Mark Hertling, the former commanding general of the United States Army Europe, told CNN: “As they were towing that ship in, that very wounded ship, into Sevastopol, they claim a storm sank it. Looking at the weather report outside of Sevastopol today the winds were about four miles an hour with 40 degree [4C] temperatures and a little bit of rain.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-stormy-seas-defense-ministry (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/14/russia-moskva-cruiser-sunk-stormy-seas-defense-ministry)

Would like someone other than CNN confirming weather in the area at the time...

But, it seems curious that denials were followed up with admissions that on the face seem less than truthful...fire caused by explosions of ammunition...OK...and they just spontaneously ignited?  Sailor flick a cigarette butt the wrong direction?  Something in storage armed by mistake?  I can tell ya in any Navy none of that happens.  And a factory in Kyiv involved with anti-ship missiles struck...just happened to be on the menu that day?

So, they will admit to catastrophic incompetence in this case.  Okie dokie then.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6df971e984258bcce45023d4385c11bb4ff1bf4a8104c5586071ee69a038ff01.jpg)

Tug looks a little undersized.  Oh well...

Some having sport with the news are clever, and funny...being a model maker when I was a kid I kinda had to chuckle at this one!

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3ead673632da92d9c40d902d3eba8901c1646dbb2286f7a4235775163c05f38b.jpg)
H/T-WZ

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2022, 01:30:01 PM
^^^^^
I read that the Moskva was now a submarine.

Also Alex read from the saker. It reported that the UA soldiers are not aware of what the overal situation is like and are lead by local leaders to think they are winning.

At 9:30
https://youtu.be/dLYqFJ4vTcg?t=562
'Foreign fighter' problems. Greece says no more weapons. Update 2
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Alex Christoforou
83K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 16, 2022, 11:15:07 AM
Need a circle-jerk smiley...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-warns-us-diplomatic-letter-arming-ukraine-result-unpredictable-consequences (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-warns-us-diplomatic-letter-arming-ukraine-result-unpredictable-consequences)

...blah, blah, blah...

Nobody calling shots here or in Europe give a damn...they don't care what you say...be vague, be specific...doesn't matter...everybody is thirsting for war...your Economic wizard Sergey Glazyev, remember him?  The guy who grew up in Zaporozhye and identifies as Russian (throwing his Ukrainian mother under the ethnic bus) and laments that Banderists (ancient Ukrainian fascists...you know, Nazi's) never existed while he grew up in this Southeastern Ukrainian city (you know, where that big nuke plant is) in the glorious Soviet days of his youth (where one of the chief benefits of Soviet domination was artificial suppression of all ethnic, religious, historical and political differences)...yeah that guy...admits Western sanctions, NATO expansion and warfare as necessary elements for the BRICS to emerge victorious!

So, willing partners in war you have...don't over-sell it.

And in an update to the Moskva story...since the Russians habitually avert painful truths you have to read between the lines and smell the smoke...

It now appears Russia's retaliation for the devastating loss of its celebrated missile cruiser Moskva has begun, with the defense ministry announcing: "The number and scale of missile strikes against targets in Kyiv will increase in response to any terrorist attacks or sabotage committed by the Kyiv nationalist regime on Russian territory."

On Saturday it's being reported that after a lull in fighting near Kiev following weeks ago Russian forces having pulled back their positions to focus on Donbas in the east, there have been fresh scattered attacks on the Ukrainian capital.
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-renews-long-range-strikes-kiev-following-disastrous-loss-warship (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-renews-long-range-strikes-kiev-following-disastrous-loss-warship)

"Echo-four"

 ::cussing::
"You sank my Flagship!"

See?  It's not hard...use your words!

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 17, 2022, 12:00:41 PM
Your pessimism may be warranted. If the US sends hundreds of switchblades and javelins and the border is porous to these shipments I imagine that will harm the Russian military. The question is what Russia will do in response.

I think the Russian public is getting more upset that Russia is not dropping the hammer on Ukraine, Kiev in particular. Despite the MSM propaganda Russia has taken it easy on the big cities and civilians and even much military. Last I heard, electricity, sewer, water, gas, internet, cell phones all work in Kiev and Kharkov. The US would have destroyed these the first week.  If Russia does not care about lives or damage just watch a WWII documentary to see the optimal tactics. Soviet Storm is on Amazon Prime.

I saw that the US sent 5K troops to the Poland-UA border to join the 4K already there. All UA has to do is drop a rocket with cluster munitions on them to bring US into the war. They already bomb UA civilians so why not Americans? If the Pentagon is honest that might not work.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 17, 2022, 12:04:03 PM

A short video on Mariupol from years past and present. 6 min. Worth watching IMO.

I can see why the UA wanted it destroyed rather than surrender.
The locals wanted independence so Kiev sent in the tanks and later sent in the far right soldiers to dig in since they hated the locals.

https://youtu.be/OubfGIupgWE
Mariupol - Why Has This Happened?
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Apr 17, 2022
Graham Phillips
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Also had the Duran on earlier. Slept through some. They pointed out that Finland survived WWII by making peace with the USSR and thereby kept more of their country which was not taken into the USSR as a result. Also Sweden got rich off WWII by staying neutral (and selling resources to the Germans).

Sweden is effectively a NATO ally already. Sweden may hang back and see what Finland does first. Finland may not allow people to vote on joining NATO, just force it on them?  They said if both join NATO it simplifies future military planning for Russia as they would not have to bypass the neutral countries. In their opinion both countries make out better neutral as they always have been.

Russia declared cease fire starting Sunday 6 AM at the steel plant. All who put down arms are guaranteed safety of life. Including Azov and mercenaries.

https://youtu.be/YooZJDuRS20
NATO ready to welcome Finland and Sweden into alliance
17,038 views
Apr 17, 2022
The Duran
208K subscribers

https://youtu.be/Ouv_7bJxWdU
Russia offers Azovstal final chance to surrender. 'Foreign fighter' trials coming soon. Update 1
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Apr 17, 2022
Alex Christoforou
84.9K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 17, 2022, 12:26:05 PM
Good news!  Well, for continued war and death anyway...

Rumors abound on Moskva...but the most concerning one is that 2 carrier-killing nuke missiles were on board when she went under...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10721351/Ukraine-war-Fears-Moskva-warship-carrying-nuclear-weapons-sank.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10721351/Ukraine-war-Fears-Moskva-warship-carrying-nuclear-weapons-sank.html)

...if true I am sure some criminals looking to be paid handsomely by radicals if not the radicals themselves are licking their chops at the illegal salvage opportunity this presents...

And...

Russia state TV says WWIII has already begun!

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/15/ukraine-russian-state-tv-warns-world-war-three-has-already-begun-16472787/ (https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/15/ukraine-russian-state-tv-warns-world-war-three-has-already-begun-16472787/)

Everybody knows Russia state anything doesn't lie.  Glad East and West agree the games are on!

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 17, 2022, 02:56:11 PM
I am guestimating she sank around 1500 feet or less. I am sure they will retrieve any warheads.
The OPCW destroyed its credibility years ago on the fake Syria gas attack, now the OSCE.

Also,
the OSCE link
InessaS Telegram links:
https://t.me/inessas100/1143 (https://t.me/inessas100/1143)

The OSCE had some official small cameras on poles maybe to collect flashes of shelling?
PLUS
some 200x zoom cameras they tried to destroy as they withdrew
1. flash drives on the cameras had videos of DPR positions.
2. the same videos were found on UA military lap tops and cell phones.
3. a video shows the videos used to direct artillery against DPR forces
4. a detained OSCE staffer admits all of the above.

https://www.osce.org/who-we-are (https://www.osce.org/who-we-are) [they left out artillery spotting]
With 57 participating States in North America, Europe and Asia, the OSCE – the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe – is the world’s largest regional security organization. The OSCE works for stability, peace and democracy for more than a billion people, through political dialogue about shared values and through practical work that aims to make a lasting difference.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2022, 08:54:18 AM
And Russia blasts a city at the other end of the country...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-expands-cruise-missile-strikes-western-city-lviv (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-expands-cruise-missile-strikes-western-city-lviv)

...so everybody appears to be on the same page and acting according.

War, it's a blast!  Come get yours today!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 18, 2022, 11:40:43 AM
More hilarity on the front lines...

Check out these two imbeciles -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/captured-britons-appear-russian-tv-urging-boris-johnson-negotiate-ukraine-prisoner (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/captured-britons-appear-russian-tv-urging-boris-johnson-negotiate-ukraine-prisoner)

...foreign adventurers wanting to act out their Hemmingway fantasies without the sanction of a declaration of war by their government(s) should know nobody will give a damn what happens to them...except those too stupid to realize it...it appears in this case the latter is in play...

But, now all sides want to play Let's Make Deal...how nice, huh?!

Hold that thought...

In a diplomatic letter to the US last week, Russia warned NATO to stop arming Ukraine, and Russian officials have said US and NATO vehicles transporting weapons inside the country would be considered “legitimate military targets.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/british-elite-sas-soldiers-are-training-troops-ukrainian-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/british-elite-sas-soldiers-are-training-troops-ukrainian-territory)

How about a deal...stop supporting the scum of humanity like the Mahdi Death Cult in Iran and the Marxists in Venezuela, Cuba & China?  Deal?

 ::ohno::

 ::hysterical::


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 18, 2022, 10:22:03 PM

People are over using the word "genocide" etc.
Alexander Mercouris reports that the UA guys trapped in the steel works are running out of food and water.
That seems strange.

I notice that that the MSM reports that Mariupol has not fallen rather than the steel works have not fallen.
https://youtu.be/_OHFE3iQ7Jo

He recommends a blog. VERY good.

https://thedreizinreport.com/
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(https://i0.wp.com/thedreizinreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/Screenshot_20220412-221632_Telegram-cropped.jpg?w=693&ssl=1)

... much more at link
The 40,000 155mm rounds that Uncle Sam plans to send to the Ukraine, which would arm 18 self-propelled howitzers that Uncle Sam plans to send to the Ukraine, can be moved long distance only by rail.  Before that happens (or as it happens), Russia will destroy the railroad switches, bridges, or other infrastructure, or rocket or bomb the trains en route.

Next, the 10 counterbattery radar stations that Uncle Sam plans to send, would need highly-trained crews to be effective, and to be integrated within the Ukraine’s existing artillery units.

Problem is, the Ukraine’s existing heavy artillery units are mostly destroyed already.  Most of the personnel are dead, deserted, in hospital, in captivity, or (more likely) pinned down somewhere in a bunker in the Donbass, not utilizing their skills.

Training new personnel is not an option—Russia has been bombing or rocketing recruit staging areas, training grounds, etc., killing hundreds and hundreds.  It’s gotten so bad that Zelensky has cancelled the spring call-up.

At this point, no one is going to make good use of those radars.  It’s like donating tent stakes or lawn chemicals to someone who needs to change the tires on their car.

Next item.  Russia has already destroyed over a hundred Ukrainian helicopters, over two-thirds of the fleet.  Will sending in another 11 change anything?  Very soon, there won’t be any fuel for them, anyway.

Folks, this is not a video game.

The USSR was able to incorporate some Anglo-American hardware and to train army, after army, after army, after army in 1941-1943 (as they were progressively destroyed or partially chewed up), in part because it had a rear area.

The Ukraine has no rear area.  Anything can blow up anywhere at any time.

The Ukraine is also just about out of idiots who want to die for Zelensky and the Maidan cult.

They can round up all the men they want, but there’s no more fresh, new, willing manpower that will stand and fight.  Whoever is under arms right now, is all there is.  There’s no more “bench.”

As I have said more than once, and I said it weeks or even months before the war, it won’t be a “peoples’ war.”

I’m NOT saying the people are all for Russia, but once the Ukrainian army (and some number of yahoo militia who don’t quite reflect or represent the public) is run down, that’s it.  The supply of fresh, motivated bodies is very limited.

Of course, the U.S. and its bloc will keep sending more and more stuff, regardless of what happens to the stuff.  What else can they do?  Their populations don’t want to get involved directly.

The Ukraine will be destroyed… and the Four Horsemen will come to YOU

Recall the 300 million rounds.

300 million rounds is enough to keep the war going (at least as an Afghanistan-style conflict) for several years.  As I’ve said, the Ukraine will be totally destroyed.

I have written repeatedly, since the first days of the war, that if Brandon and the Europeans keep pushing Saint Zelensky to fight, and keep arming and escalating and raising the stakes, rather than trying to make a deal…..

…..it will lead to the total destruction of the Ukraine, turning it into a very well-armed, starving Somalia in Europe, with a number of severely under-maintained nuclear power plants—one or more of which will go up into the air, likely sooner than later.

And, as has been established already, the global fertilizer shortage (made much worse by U.S. sanctions on Russia and Belarus) coupled with Ukrainian wheat going offline, means that up to 100 million Africans will need to get off the planet, or at least, leave Africa.  It will be a sight.  And this is just what we know for sure, so far.

I’m calling it now, the Four Horsemen are coming.  This will affect you.  Some of my “VIP” readers may think they are immune, living in $1.5 million row houses on Capitol Hill or wherever.  You’re not immune.  In fact, DC will be the pits.   




Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2022, 09:20:47 AM
Finally, agreement that a continued and expanding conflict is on everyone's menu...it is unavoidable and none will escape and there is nothing the oppressed captives anywhere can do to stop it...

There's a RivetJoint that patrolled the Eastern border of the Baltics this morning...prospects continue to rise for festivities all across Europe...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2022, 11:53:56 AM
Yo, Pat...I think a horse was left out...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dead23fae5c855f93a3848ac95d37b1ca03e35ab30d80c09f265c3910bc8d3fc.jpg)

I wonder if the pics above have a similar provenance as this one from "News Front"?

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e785d25e2d430b346fe735c23263a4726c27f51c943f8215b1535ae17fcf116e.png)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56839e169f38d5e9f3876c9a3cf79f0a4610a14d7bc1563734d7a384a9e36724.png)

Just another Putin op...you can take a Russian out of the KGB, but...   ;)

Also, just like in the post-war years of WWII...looks like a lot of people have their favorite Nazi's around...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/765abdfeb7ab80d770ba9fb72b1fbfd796868ffc9f47f49076ee18ba1d7547f6.png)
H/T-WZ

Such charming symmetry in the worlds last days...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 19, 2022, 03:47:16 PM

I saw a couple videos of Zelensky. In one, before he became president, he admitted to starting his day with coke. In a very recent video his eyes were glassy and he was high or drunk.

There may be hope. The Duran said that in no EU country did a majority of people say they would suffer (par more for gas etc.) to support the war in Ukraine. Most around low 40s percent and that is sinking. Macron is afraid to say much about the war as an election is upcoming.

Pres Trump recently said UA should negotiate and that endless war means lots of bodies and what is so good about that?. JD Vance is running for congress in Ohio and went from 4th place to first in the primary when he came out as anti war.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 19, 2022, 04:19:24 PM
I highly doubt anybody's elections are solving this...or that anybody cares what serfs say...Euro's have cucks and cowards too, just like we do...most newb's get corrupted...it's a rigged game everywhere...

SSDD

People seeing a nice easy peaceful way out of all of these messes are waitin' a long time for a train that won't come...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2022, 11:37:27 AM
Neat, more loose talk about nukes...

President Vladimir Putin said in a statement which accompanied the announcement that the new Sarmat missile will provide "food for thought for those who try to threaten Russia."

Ha!  You'd think a guy rumored to be so bright would know his opponents are just as bombastic and full of blood lust as he and his oligarchs...and if so then he must just enjoy saying it anyway...

Code name "Satan"...   ::laughonfloor::

Lately there's been widespread speculation over whether Putin would be "willing" to use tactical nukes in Ukraine - something which Foreign Minister Lavrov categorically rejected in Tuesday statements.

On Tuesday Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov was asked in an interview with India Today about the possibility of using nukes, to which he responded that Russia will only use conventional weapons in Ukraine.

Naturally, they would be used in NATO nations...duh!!!

And, some contradictory statements...

Alec Luhn
@ASLuhn
Russian emergencies ministry site publishes "Recommendations in case of a retaliatory nuclear strike by NATO countries."
Retaliatory? 🤔

And...

CBS Evening News
@CBSEveningNews
Members of President Biden’s own party, like Democratic Sen. Chris Coons, say it's time for the president to consider sending in U.S. troops to Ukraine to help fight Russia. The president has repeatedly said he won’t. https://cbsn.ws/37qY14z (https://cbsn.ws/37qY14z)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-putin-warns-enemies-its-food (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-putin-warns-enemies-its-food)

And more toys/parts for toys to Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-putin-warns-enemies-its-food (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-tests-new-intercontinental-ballistic-missile-putin-warns-enemies-its-food)

All lunatics are on the same global annihilation script...who says people cannot get on the same page?!   :o
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 20, 2022, 12:50:49 PM
^^^
Much of this is MSM fear porn.
"Putin may use nukes, chemical weapons."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2022, 04:46:36 PM
So, he didn't say it?

Not saying not propaganda...but then the other idiot mentioned "retaliation"...as if a first-strike was an option...propaganda too?

What if not a bluff?  Nobody knows...do they?

But everybody is always certain what is said by X is true and what is said by Y is false and vice versa...and they X & Y say opposing things...

If nobody is honest or everybody isn't bluffing...guess what?  Serious mistakes happen...

Fear?  Yes.  Fear porn?  Says who?  Got proof?

 ::whatgives::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2022, 08:57:26 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10733677/Moskva-sinking-Did-supply-Kyiv-location-Black-Sea-flag-ship.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10733677/Moskva-sinking-Did-supply-Kyiv-location-Black-Sea-flag-ship.html)

No sh!t?!

I've only being seeing daily and documenting almost as often all the buzzing going on over not just here but in America as well...all the heavy-mover traffic, and the snoopers, trackers, spies and tankers (fighters) patrolling from the Black Sea to the Baltics...

Duh!

Think all these assets are in play for no reason?  Think Putin and his privy council not aware of their activities?  First time on planet Earth?

 :o

The Big Game is on...plan accordingly.

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/104/657/604/original/2d1491094e43f776.jpg)
H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2022, 09:45:49 AM
Pouty little snowflakes in the JoeFraud regime...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-treasury-secretary-led-walkout-g20-meeting-russian-official-started-talking (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-treasury-secretary-led-walkout-g20-meeting-russian-official-started-talking)

...predictable.  But really, what could anybody talk to their counterpart about anyway...loose nuke talk there...pariah talk here...

Really, nothing...

And like this is news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/white-house-doesnt-know-where-us-weapons-go-after-entering-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/white-house-doesnt-know-where-us-weapons-go-after-entering-ukraine)

...Afghanistan...hello?

 :o

Oh, but a "mysterious" fire in Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility)

...yeah, not seeing anything mysterious there...they know it started in an Admin area...probably some dude doing shots of Stoli with his secretary when some hanky-panky started and knocked over the ashtray holding the Cuban puro...

Moving on...

Oh, here we go...Mariupol Liberated!  Let the people in, open the bars and restaurants and...uhh, what?  Come again?

Never mind...

Are they at least going to broadcast the executions of those Azov Nazi's...we were promised executions of Azov Nazi's?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/so-not-even-fly-can-escape-putin-declares-mariupol-liberated-orders-besieged-steel (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/so-not-even-fly-can-escape-putin-declares-mariupol-liberated-orders-besieged-steel)

Russian forces have been blaring on speakers their demand for Azov fighters to lay down their arms and exit the complex 'or else'.

Maybe it is just me...but I would opt for "or else"...especially if it is quicker and more merciful than starving, bleeding out...would not want to surrender...but who knows how brave these Nazi's are or are not...I would rather charge, sing my death song and take some enemies out before I drop...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2022, 02:05:08 PM

The Russians did this humanitarian corridor thing before in Syria. Sometimes even allowing the soldiers to exit to areas not under Russian or Syrian govt control. Erdogan later used them as canon fodder in his various adventures.

I noticed that the UA guys in the steel mill claimed to have lots of civilians at the last minute. No photos of them however.

There is still question as to whether a missile sunk the ship. Some poor quality photos suggest otherwise.

Maybe a year ago some Belarusian journalist/activist was arrested after his plane landed/was forced down in Belarus. The west got butt hurt and sanctioned Belarus and avoids their air space to this day. There is some question as to the landing details.  IMO the guy was involved in a US funded regime change operation. Maybe months ago there was a reported failed US backed coup in Belarus according to the Duran.

Now there is a likely killing of a Chilean born US educated blogger Gonzalo Lira by the UA govt and the west is silent.  He was last seen via cell phone in Kharkov a few days ago. T He was critical of the Kiev govt and that alone can get you killed. There was a recent (a day ago?) execution of a pro Russian journalist in Ukraine, maybe Mariupol or a southern city. Shot him in his car.

The G20 walk out was only partly successful with many countries staying to listen to the Russian person.

Meanwhile Wimbledon banned any Russian players. The EU is likely to commit suicide and ban Russian gas and oil but some Germans are opposed.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2022, 04:36:06 PM
Sh!t happens in war...who knew?

Bottom line unchanged...shot-callers all sides don't care, doing what they want...nobody has control of their leaders...keep hearing all this opposition to war in Russia...apart from resignations and sackings and hardliners in charge news is sporadic...gosh I wonder why...

Still haven't seen defense minister...alive or dead...

Clown world...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2022, 07:30:31 PM

I heard that support for the war and Putin in Russia went through the roof. They have been following this conflict for years.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2022, 07:37:42 PM
More of the same. UA is winning the propaganda war. It is hard to keep up.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/
Was bombing of Mariupol theater staged by Ukrainian Azov extremists to trigger NATO intervention?
Max Blumenthal·March 18, 2022

Testimony by evacuated Mariupol residents and warnings of a false flag attack undermine the Ukrainian government’s claims about a Russian bombing of a local theater sheltering civilians.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2022, 08:30:51 AM

The Russians did this humanitarian corridor thing before in Syria. Sometimes even allowing the soldiers to exit to areas not under Russian or Syrian govt control. Erdogan later used them as canon fodder in his various adventures.

I noticed that the UA guys in the steel mill claimed to have lots of civilians at the last minute. No photos of them however.

There is still question as to whether a missile sunk the ship. Some poor quality photos suggest otherwise.

Maybe a year ago some Belarusian journalist/activist was arrested after his plane landed/was forced down in Belarus. The west got butt hurt and sanctioned Belarus and avoids their air space to this day. There is some question as to the landing details.  IMO the guy was involved in a US funded regime change operation. Maybe months ago there was a reported failed US backed coup in Belarus according to the Duran.

Now there is a likely killing of a Chilean born US educated blogger Gonzalo Lira by the UA govt and the west is silent. He was last seen via cell phone in Kharkov a few days ago. T He was critical of the Kiev govt and that alone can get you killed. There was a recent (a day ago?) execution of a pro Russian journalist in Ukraine, maybe Mariupol or a southern city. Shot him in his car.

The G20 walk out was only partly successful with many countries staying to listen to the Russian person.

Meanwhile Wimbledon banned any Russian players. The EU is likely to commit suicide and ban Russian gas and oil but some Germans are opposed.

Not dead.  People wanting to elevate him to martyr status will be disappointed...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2yeSOcNlgE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2yeSOcNlgE)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2022, 08:32:57 AM

I heard that support for the war and Putin in Russia went through the roof. They have been following this conflict for years.

Lovely, then they are in lock-step pro-war agreement with lemmings in the West...another boon for longer/harder war.   ::whoohoo::

/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2022, 08:47:41 AM
More of the same. UA is winning the propaganda war. It is hard to keep up.

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/ (https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/)
Was bombing of Mariupol theater staged by Ukrainian Azov extremists to trigger NATO intervention?
Max Blumenthal·March 18, 2022

Testimony by evacuated Mariupol residents and warnings of a false flag attack undermine the Ukrainian government’s claims about a Russian bombing of a local theater sheltering civilians.
...

Well Vlad can send his Dmitry Utkin led fascist Wagner Group stormtroopers in to deal justice upon those Uke Azov fascists.   ::laughonfloor::

Probably be immortalized in films East and West...if there are films or people in the future...

In others news...er stories, well, whatever...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-deadly-fire-breaks-out-russian-defense-research-facility)

Incompetence or saboteurs?  And if the latter...homegrown...imports...foreigners?

And, apparently any harsh words directed at Orban have been patched up with his Finish counterpart...because it appears NATO membership of Finland is on the fast-track...

Orban paving the way for Finland to join NATO is one of the least “Putin tool” things Orban could do. It definitely was not on my Bingo card. As I noted in my post about Orban, he’s not a Putin tool or even a Putin ally. He’s a politician who knows on which side his bread is buttered.

Russia’s lawless invasion of Ukraine has put Orban in an uncomfortable position. He appears to want to position Hungary as a bridge between East and West. Hungary is a member of both the European Union and NATO. He also maintains cordial relations with Russia. He has gone along with sanctions on Russia. He is resisting sanctions on Russian gas because Hungary is reliant upon it. He is providing humanitarian relief to Ukraine and is sheltering about 140,000 Ukrainian refugees. He has supported Zelensky’s demand that Russia respects Ukraine’s territorial integrity. What he refuses to do is ship arms to Ukraine or let arms shipments to Ukraine pass through Hungary. This is more of a problem of appearances than anything else. Still, Zelensky has accused Orban of standing in the way of European solidarity. Zelensky is right. But Orban is the prime minister of Hungary, not Europe, and the voters agreed they wanted things to stay that way.
https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/21/hungarys-viktor-orban-clears-the-way-for-finland-to-join-nato-in-a-matter-of-months-n554105 (https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/04/21/hungarys-viktor-orban-clears-the-way-for-finland-to-join-nato-in-a-matter-of-months-n554105)

Trending in all respects and by all parties remains solidly pro-war...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 22, 2022, 12:33:43 PM
No secret this would happen...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-russia-avoids-oil-sanctions-transfer-sea-destination-unknown (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-russia-avoids-oil-sanctions-transfer-sea-destination-unknown)

...they also do mixing...

But then, why are Energy-outfit Bankster Oligarchs getting suicided?

And not just the Oligarch's...their families...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/2-russian-oligarchs-found-dead-just-one-day-apart (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/2-russian-oligarchs-found-dead-just-one-day-apart)

See, in the West prominent Banksters (there were a lot during the Obamao years)...died solo, not taking their families with them, more standard Arkancide work...suicide by nail gun...with the nail gun in the victims off hand...same with pistol suicides...then there's the jumpers pushed...the drowned...this Russian Oligarch & family business is nasty, reeks of old-time Soviet practice...so the question really is - is Putin sending a message to other Oligarchs or are Oligarchs sending a message to Putin?  I would guess the former.

Anyway...in Ukraine news...NY Slimes given green light to spill the beans I already threw on the table many weeks ago - the Russian desire to link to its breakaway folks in Transnistria, Moldova...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-seeks-full-control-southern-ukraine-along-donbas-general-confirms (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-seeks-full-control-southern-ukraine-along-donbas-general-confirms)

Yes, Greater Russia needs to be Greater Russia!

https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs (https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs)

So moving...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 22, 2022, 06:06:40 PM

Gonzalo Lira was detained by the UA SBU. Then released. He said he was not free to talk about it much and was not free to leave the city. He is alive.

I recall some other recent  oil sanctions with oil transfers at sea and the usual monkey business.

There was an oil embargo of Italy after they invaded Africa. That raised the oil prices. So Russia sent tankers.
I recall some commie (Arthur Koestler?) shocked that tankers flying the flag of third international were docking In Italy.

Also, the NYT is trying to smear this guy and saying that the 2014 US backed coup was a myth, after previously reporting on the coup in the NYT. As Tony Heller often says "The NYT does not read the NYT."

This has some history on the 2014 coup in the beginning.

https://youtu.be/kGYRuvOKyfo
New Cold War Witch Hunt Targets Journalists Opposed to US Empire
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 23, 2022, 02:57:07 PM


Some alternate sources for news on Ukraine.
Lots of good links to video clips from Ukraine.
https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-13/
Sitrep: Operation Z
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A Ukrainian politician has stated the following: “Ludmila Denisova, Ukrainian Parliament’s Commissioner for Human Rights, says that the Russians are planning to hold an independence referendum in Kherson during May 1-May 10 to create another DNR and LNR like statelet in southern Ukraine. Ballots are reportedly being printed.”


“At least 2/3 of the residents of southern Ukraine, in particular, Kherson oblast, parts of Nikolayev oblast and Zaporozhye, would vote in favor of joining Russia, if an appropriate referendum were to be held”, says Crimean senator of the Russian Federation Council Sergei Tsekov



this guy
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1
or
https://t.me/CyberspecNews
..
More links
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1517456096956276736

Lots of captured UA arms from kharkov armory.
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1517629096892637184
https://twitter.com/Cyberspec1/status/1517629390644912128
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2022, 11:06:54 AM
(https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/word-image-56.jpeg)

 ::laughonfloor::  That's the most tortured partitioning the world has ever seen since the Brits carved up the Middle East!  Perhaps even on par with some DemCom gerrymandered districts back here!   ::hysterical::

Can't figure out where the Nazi's are, gotta be awfully small...but that's where the core ZHer's would best feel at home I am sure!   ::rolllaughing::

Sounds like a lot of tap-dancing to avoid having to take the whole, which they might as well do anyway, doesn't matter...might as well triple-down on their Cold War Mulligan and invade a few more neighbors, excuse me having some ethnic folks beg to be rejoined with the benevolent Rus Empire...doesn't matter at all because nobody is walking away...they all got unbridled lust for war and psychotic egos...

And morons back here are missing out a prime opportunity to exert The Putin Doctrine in our own continent and let them have their broken toys back...poor dumb bastards.  The real partitioning is going to be West and East with the idiot Euro's trapped in the middle...ought to be looking to that and grab now what you can or be left with nothing but crap in your hands...

Screw Putin, Screw Biden, Screw Euro's, Screw China...Screw Everybody.

ETA - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-airlines-told-prepare-world-without-gps (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-airlines-told-prepare-world-without-gps)

If foot have other shoe, Russian would do raise price or turn off switch? 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 26, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
Many happy screw yourself returns rolling in...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ready-cooperate-un-safety-ukraine-civilians-guterres-makes-controversial-visit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ready-cooperate-un-safety-ukraine-civilians-guterres-makes-controversial-visit)

How bold, in mop-up phase...  ::rolllaughing::

EU to go zero Rus oil & gas by 2027...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/european-union-cut-russian-oil-and-gas-imports-zero-2027 (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/european-union-cut-russian-oil-and-gas-imports-zero-2027)

Bet Ivan shortens that a bit more...

 ::hysterical::

And in rapid succession...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-halts-natural-gas-supplies-poland-european-energy-prices-spike-local-reports (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-halts-natural-gas-supplies-poland-european-energy-prices-spike-local-reports)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-pm-says-warsaw-has-delivered-tanks-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/polish-pm-says-warsaw-has-delivered-tanks-ukraine)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-reversal-after-warning-nuclear-war-germany-approves-tanks-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-reversal-after-warning-nuclear-war-germany-approves-tanks-ukraine)

Everybody keeps throwing in more chips...never have so many deserved each other so thoroughly!   ::laughonfloor::

Economic war, war of words, real war...everybody craves it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2022, 08:37:10 AM
All participants still appear to be very interested in letting the hate flow through them...

Potential for escalation...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-backs-right-ukraine-attack-russian-territory-while-kremlin-warns-proportional (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-backs-right-ukraine-attack-russian-territory-while-kremlin-warns-proportional)

And it appears the link up to captured territory in South Ukraine is firing up...the Moldovan separatists throwing words around like "terrorist" and the "poor oppressed Russian-speaking peoples"...

(https://sayingimages.com/wp-content/uploads/let-the-hate-flow-through-you-emperor-palpatine-meme.jpg)

Go long on expanded violence...it is inevitable.

PS - Man, did RivetJoint have a very interesting route through the Baltic states this morning...!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 27, 2022, 11:39:04 AM
^^^^
UK "Let's you and him fight."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2022, 12:03:23 PM
It's trending to tag-team no-holds-barred action...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/ukraine-shot-down-russian-plane-with-help-from-us-intel-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/ukraine-shot-down-russian-plane-with-help-from-us-intel-report)

And...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-quick-response-if-west-intervenes-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-quick-response-if-west-intervenes-ukraine)

And...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-says-it-destroyed-large-batch-western-weapons-ship-launched-missiles (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-says-it-destroyed-large-batch-western-weapons-ship-launched-missiles)

It would be nice if all assholes on all sides only perished...unfortunately that's not how a lot of war's among megalomaniacs and imbeciles usually go...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 28, 2022, 11:10:12 AM
Must be adequately re-supplied now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-says-russia-increasing-pace-attack-almost-all-directions (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-says-russia-increasing-pace-attack-almost-all-directions)

...the consolidation push is on...

Well, expecting an up-tick in violence...and the increased chances for the spillover effect...The Spicy could be just warming up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 28, 2022, 04:04:30 PM
Had roku on
Poland may invade western UA but not as part of NATO? As a 'peace keeping' force or to mess with Russia or grab Lviv a historically Polish part of UA?

Poland to get Russian gas in reverse flow from Germany?
Finland says no Russian gas but they use very little. Mostly hydro power?
RU 1Q financials up. Double the gas/oil revenue. Balance of payments etc. is great since people cannot buy much from outside.
RU can control the Rubles-Euro exchange rate with their gas for rubles scheme.
Germany seized Gasprom assets in Germany. So RU says no gas for German gasprom.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2022, 09:44:29 AM
Well, back in the day...(European history is replete with shifting geographic control via war and alliance)...the Austro-Hungarian Empire dominated most of Europe until WWI as we all know...including Western Ukraine, and they used the Poles as Administrators in all civil service professions...and Polish was the official language of the bureaucracy, so you see there is a history of revulsion bred into the locals at always being forced to speak foreign languages instead of their own...anyway, I have a familial history of such matters I think many are aware of that newer members may not be.

Anyway...glad my ancestor GTFO long ago...

The Euro's seem to be good on their word, decoupling from Rus energy, but I suspect that for now it is convenient, as the hemisphere transits from Spring to Summer...Fall isn't far off so whatever plans they have to move on have to begin yesterday...

But, the flush of passion for conflict remains high on all sides.

As for Norway...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/norway-boosts-military-drills-north-increases-emergency-preparedness-citing-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/norway-boosts-military-drills-north-increases-emergency-preparedness-citing-ukraine)

...it dovetails with increased activity I've seen from Cyprus to the Arctic Circle and from Iceland to Eastern Europe.

And this morning the heavy-lift and tanker traffic here, over pond and Europe is very active.

https://youtu.be/0Onro8PPfdU (https://youtu.be/0Onro8PPfdU)

I'd say the message to the UN is...  ::mooning::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 29, 2022, 12:22:13 PM
I read that Poland may use Russian gas via Germany via "reverse flow." Finland uses very low gas overall (%) but their gas is mostly Russian (75%). Maybe they use hydro power.  Russia does not like the reverse flow but I do not understand whey they care. Such gas is bought under the gas for rubles plan in either case.

Many countries say they will reduce gas sold to countries not under contract if they export the gas. E.b. Algeria gas to Spain?

Germany seizes Gazprom facilities in Germany so Russia said no gas for them. IMO Bulgaria will cave.

Ruble is best for a long time. 71 USD.

https://youtu.be/x-_hIw419_E
Putin "lightning-fast'" warning. Ursula has a gas plan. Masha & Bear canceled. Update 1
84,388 views
Apr 28, 2022
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Watch the first 30 of recent senile Biden.
https://youtu.be/nRxpf0cGweU

https://youtu.be/MvyMSuT3mJc
Russia says Poland plans to occupy west Ukraine. Biden, Trudeau plan to seize assets. Update 2
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 29, 2022, 12:48:22 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/22-year-old-marine-turned-mercenary-becomes-1st-american-die-fighting-russia-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/22-year-old-marine-turned-mercenary-becomes-1st-american-die-fighting-russia-ukraine)

Well, no...CNN will not dox an ally and anger their masters higher up in The Cabal...but odds are it is the subs of Apollo Management Group who bought Constellis (Triple Canopy-Academi merger 2014, Academi nee Blackwater) would be the odds on favorite.

And only a low-life would heap derision upon the young man and his surviving wife and child...clearly he thought he was doing the right thing, but this is a conflict no American, active duty or veteran should have been involved with.  I despise the suffering of the native people, but injecting Americans into a Ukrainian/Russian Slavic-blood-feud was never going to alleviate that.  About all an American could do is probably limited to helping civilians where possible with aid and scream at their leaders at home for being imbeciles.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2022, 09:15:44 AM
Speaking of imbeciles...

And what is now America’s goal with our massive infusion into the Ukraine war of new and heavier NATO weapons?

Said Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin on his return from a Sunday meeting in Kyiv with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy:

The United States wants “to see Russia weakened to the point where it can’t do things like invade Ukraine.”

“Russia,” said Austin, has “already lost a lot of military capability and a lot of its troops … and we want to see them not have the capability to very quickly reproduce that capability.”

Thus, the new, or newly revealed, goal of U.S. policy in Ukraine is not just the defeat and retreat of the invading Russian army but the crippling of Russia as a world power.

The sanctions imposed on Russia and the advanced weapons we are shipping into Ukraine are not only to enable the country to preserve its independence and territorial integrity but also to inflict irreversible damage on Mother Russia.

Putin’s Russia is not to recover soon or ever from the beating we intend to administer, using Ukrainians to deliver the beating, over an extended period of time.

Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu has seen through to the true objectives of some NATO allies:

“There are countries within NATO that want the Ukraine war to continue. They see the continuation of the war as weakening Russia. They don’t care much about the situation in Ukraine.”

But to increase steadily and substantially the losses to Russia’s economy, as well as its military, the war must go on longer.

And a long war translates into ever-greater losses to the Ukrainians who are alone in paying the price in blood of defeating Russia.

Is Austin committed to fighting this war to the last Ukrainian?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/buchanan-will-putin-submit-us-imposed-weakening (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/buchanan-will-putin-submit-us-imposed-weakening)

Well...yeah.  The Cabal needs war, period.  Peace isn't advancing their goals.  See Pelosi tie another fat aid package to Ukraine to (their intentional) "scamdemic" relief?

It's called "all-in".

As Putin's bluff of going nuclear...he ought to know how batshyt-crazy folks running our occupation government are...they don't care if Putin uses nukes, as long as he uses them first...the Russians are insane if they think the threat of nukes will deter these people from rendering their conventional forces depleted and demoralized...what Putin should be doing is looking for a quick exit strategy...and so far they are not being quick about anything but issuing threats...

Seems to me the brilliant 4-D chessmaster has been exposed...he's making it easier not harder for our occupation leadership here...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2022, 01:02:45 PM
The not so secret secret...both sides are using private contractors for all sorts of stuff...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ukraine-contract-private-sector-spy-firms-target-moscows-forces (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ukraine-contract-private-sector-spy-firms-target-moscows-forces)

Too bad nobody using these outfits to help secure the Southern border that the illegitimate and totally corrupt and despotic JoeFraud regime is ignoring and exacerbating...
 ::outrage::

As the risks of escalation increase, Noam Chomsky just gave an interview in which he declared the only possible exit is a pan-European security structure for all to join, or Helsinki 2.0 - and the one statesman who he says could make that deal happen is “Donald J. Trump”.
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However, Chomsky is likely wrong in that this particular Helsinki 2.0 ship looks to have sailed, as Finland moves to join NATO, for example - one of the few ships that actually can sail, as global supply logjams build up again.

There is war; no trust; increasingly deranged speech; and lack of end-game vision from both sides. Even if Russia did sign up to a new Helsinki, somehow, it would just alienate China,… unless the new Helsinki is a global free-for-all. In which case, why bother?
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rabo-there-war-no-trust-deranged-speech-and-lack-endgame-vision-both-sides (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/rabo-there-war-no-trust-deranged-speech-and-lack-endgame-vision-both-sides)

Just more confirmation neither side is talking or interested in talking...it is the time of actions speaking and words only good for threats...and more proof to me that the rogue occupation government in America is the most unsane variable is made more dangerous by the fact that either because Putin is unable to resist pressing matters or driven to press matters out of personal concern for his own welfare from the likes of hardliners like Patrushev...the trajectory towards a wider conflict grow by the minute...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/showclip.png)

A recent Russian state TV program has stirred outrage and made headlines across the United Kingdom after a television presenter featured a simulated demonstration of how the Russian navy's nuclear submarines would take out the UK with ease.

The segment aired late last week on public broadcaster "Channel One" and featured the chairman of the nationalist Rodina political party, Aleksey Zhuravlyov, who declared that "one Sarmat missile and the British Isles will be no more."

Specifically under discussion was the UK's military support to Ukraine. London was earliest out of the gate to publicize it's repeat planeloads of weapons, including anti-tank systems and munitions, flown into Ukraine.

That's when the segment transitioned to news anchor Dmitry Kiselyov describing the following as a graphic of a submarine played behind him:

"It approaches its target at a depth of 1km at a speed of 200km/h. There's no way of stopping this underwater drone. The warhead on it has a yield of up to 100 megatons."

"The explosion of this thermonuclear torpedo by Britain's coastline will cause a gigantic tsunami wave up to 500m high."

The clip from the segment, which is now being widely shared in the West...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1521069215691812864 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1521069215691812864)

He then said the UK could be turned into "a radioactive desert" in the most provocative moment of the program:

"Such a barrage alone also carries extreme doses of radiation. Having passed over the British Isles, it will turn what might be left of them into a radioactive desert.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-tv-warns-britain-can-be-drowned-radioactive-tsunami-single-nuclear-sub-strike (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-tv-warns-britain-can-be-drowned-radioactive-tsunami-single-nuclear-sub-strike)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d5ebc88235db1da62782aeef72e29760ff766707e1943bb0121d58a7ab04aefb.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2022, 09:42:23 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-missile-attack-just-misses-secretive-visit-russias-top-general-front-line (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-missile-attack-just-misses-secretive-visit-russias-top-general-front-line)

As Maxwell Smart would say "missed it by that much".
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
Rus rolling the armor in on Azovstal...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/final-showdown-azovstal-firefights-breakout-azov-fighters-emerge-steel-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/final-showdown-azovstal-firefights-breakout-azov-fighters-emerge-steel-plant)

...warming temps should redden the ground...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2022, 12:35:28 PM
Hmmm...appears Czar Vlad might be in poor health again...

Speculation over Russian President Vladimir Putin’s health has been rekindled by rumors that the 69-year-old leader will have surgery for cancer, according to a former senior military official.

The unverified claim was reported on Russian media outlet General SVR, reports The Sun.

“Putin has discussed that he will be undergoing medical procedures,” the outlet said, quoting an anonymous former high-ranking Kremlin military figure.

“Doctors insist that he needs an operation, but the date has not yet been determined,” the source added. However, it is unlikely to be before Victory Day on May 9, when Putin will preside over commemorations of the defeat of Adolf Hitler and Nazi Germany.

Rumors of the Russian leader’s failing health are not new. In Nov. 2020, Russian political scientist Valery Solovei claimed that Putin had Parkinson’s disease and abdominal cancer, undergoing surgery for the latter in Feb. 2020.

Awkward recent public appearances by Putin have led observers to increasingly ask whether he is ill. One Apr. 23 video shows his hand and leg trembling during a meeting with Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko. 

The Russian president has also been taking meetings at a comically long table, which observers believe is a way to maintain social distancing.

"I have no idea if Putin has cancer. But I do know that Putin has never before been germ phobic and the huge space between him and visitors is the degree of social distancing that doctors recommend to cancer patients, who are almost all immunosuppressed," tweeted veteran U.S. journalist Jonathan Alter.


The Kremlin source confirmed the previous reports.

“We know very well that he has cancer, and Parkinson's disease, as we have said many times,” the source said.

A few names have emerged as potential successors for Putin. The Kremlin official said that power would be transferred to Nikolai Patrushev, a key architect of the Ukraine invasion. In March, a report said that some Russian elites were plotting to install Alexander Bortnikov, head of Russia’s Federal Security Service, in Putin’s place.

Bortnikov is no angel...but preferable over the psychotic Patrushev...who knows, Medvedev is still around and another candidate could surface...but like everywhere...whoever is obedient to the shot-callers will get the title...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2022, 04:23:17 PM
Rus are slamming Lviv with cruise missiles again, just seems more of them. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/barrage-cruise-missiles-rock-western-city-lviv-sections-plunged-darkness (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/barrage-cruise-missiles-rock-western-city-lviv-sections-plunged-darkness)

And there is only 2 reasons to attack that far West - 1) Kill civilians and demoralize the people & 2) Hit the munitions coming in from the West and cripple logistics moving them East...and I reckon Ivan don't care about 1 if 2 works.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 03, 2022, 07:44:11 PM
There is a good telegram channel that covers the UA war.
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/1093

also kinda
https://t.me/brianlovethailand/381
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2022, 08:34:46 AM
Pretty much the dumbest headline and article ever...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/time-nato-better-take-putins-ukraine-warnings-seriously (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/time-nato-better-take-putins-ukraine-warnings-seriously)

...what in Ted's experience at Anti-War (snort!) or anywhere leads him to believe the corrupt illegitimate government in DC or the petty vacillating screwed no matter what Euro's give a rats ass about what Russia wants?  Hell, even Russia isn't getting what Russia wants because they are enabling their foes!

Heck, what makes him think Russia is much more stable?  Patrushev is aroused by war...and Lavrov is so locked in on Rus propaganda he just insulted Israel right in front of their foreign minister: (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/angry-diplomatic-row-between-israel-russia-over-hitlers-jewish-blood-remarks)

It all started during an interview Lavrov did with Italian TV on Sunday, but which was quickly picked up in international press. US and European officials have also expressed outrage.

"As to [Zelenskiy’s] argument of what kind of nazification can we have if I’m Jewish, if I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, Hitler also had Jewish blood," Lavrov said when asked about the Kremlin's 'denazification' justification for its invasion. "It doesn’t mean anything at all," he added.

Lavrov went on to explain that the “most rabid antisemites tend to be Jews.” Moscow for its part has been outraged that for years Western media and politicians have been cheerleading far-right nationalist groups in Ukraine that have long been widely acknowledged as neo-Nazi in ideology, also often unashamedly flashing swastikas for cameras. Lavrov said the following:

“We have for a long time listened to the wise Jewish people who say that the most rabid antisemites tend to be Jews,” and added, “There is no family without a monster.”

Israel quickly summoned the Russian ambassador Monday and demanded an apology over the statements.

But Russia instead doubled-down, charging Israel with in effect supporting “the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv” in fresh Tuesday statements.

According to more from Russia's foreign ministry:

On Tuesday, the Russian Foreign Ministry charged "the Jewish origins of the president (Zelensky) is not a guarantee of protection against rampant neo-Nazism in the country."

"Ukraine, may it be said in passing, is not the only one in this case," the Ministry said, citing Latvian President Egils Levits who "has also Jewish roots and he also gives cover... to the rehabilitation of the Waffen SS in his country."

Israel's Foreign Minister Lapid had earlier on Monday called Lavrov’s "remarks are both an unforgivable and outrageous statement as well as a terrible historical error," and the controversy reached Prime Minister Bennett's office, who called Lavrov's remarks "lies."

Nice.  Once again shows how dark the Russian mind is...and how fragile and desperate they are to preserve their idealized ego.  That's how ya win friends and allies, eh?
 ::bus::

Oh, and (cough!) Dmitry "Wagner" Utkin (cough!) winner of not one, not two but four Orders of Courage!

Ohh, yeah...deranged bastards on all sides...yeah this will not end in an irradiated lifeless planet...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 04, 2022, 02:00:50 PM
As I warned...things heating up in Moldova...

For much of the past two weeks Russia and Ukraine have exchanged accusations over a series of unexplained explosions in the Transnistria region, which is host to some 1,500 Russian "peacekeeping" troops (most of which are said to be Transnistrian separatists holding Russian passports). Ukraine's defense ministry called the destabilizing incidents a "planned provocation" designed to justify a greater Russian military intervention.

Internationally recognized as part of Moldova, the breakaway republic of Transnistria has population of nearly 500,000 - but is seen by some Western analysts as potentially serving as a launching point for Russian destabilizing action against Moldova. Russia's troop presence there goes all the way back to 1992 in support of the separatists.

And now on Wednesday it seems the region is coming more and more into the spotlight related to the war across the border in Ukraine, given the European Union says it is now exploring options for ramping up military support to Moldova. Moldova has just an estimated 6,000 regular forces in its military.

"The European Union is considering ways to further boost Moldova’s military, EU Council President Charles Michel said Wednesday, following recent attacks in the country’s pro-Moscow breakaway region of Transnistria," CNN reports. And further:

Speaking alongside Moldova’s president Maia Sandu in Chisinau, Michel said “some decisions” have already been taken to enhance support in the fields of logistics and cyber defense.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-mulls-military-support-moldova-russia-accused-provocations-breakaway-transnistria (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-mulls-military-support-moldova-russia-accused-provocations-breakaway-transnistria)

And Finland, Sweden, the Baltic states and Poland remain in play for future festivities...I see no reason to expect otherwise.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2022, 08:44:51 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russias-largest-shipper-races-sell-third-fleet-satisfy-western-loans (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russias-largest-shipper-races-sell-third-fleet-satisfy-western-loans)

Interesting.  Well, Euro's did the total Rus oil ban too.

And this is more proof that the batshyt-crazy on all sides are on an inescapable collision...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/long-lucrative-bloody-road-world-war-3 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/long-lucrative-bloody-road-world-war-3)

...and we can argue who is crazier and who is more delusional till we pass out...but it doesn't matter...

The general consensus seems to be along the lines this Freeman fella puts forth - the US is to blame -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/long-lucrative-bloody-road-world-war-3 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/long-lucrative-bloody-road-world-war-3)

OK, let's agree with that 100%. 

It leaves only two questions:

1)  It means Russia is justified in nuking the US, which ensures everybody gets nuked.
2)  It means only Russia can diffuse the situation, which most seem to agree is impossible for them to do.

Either way, for the world it means the same thing - SCREWED!

Which begs one final question - Then why write this crap?  Only a completely brain-dead person thinks admonishing the unadmonishable over what they're doing will change what they are doing...and only an imbecile thinks pinning blame will matter when nobody survives to GAFF anyway!

Damn, and I read the stupid link and posted it...   ::facepalm::

Sorry!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2022, 12:51:17 PM
The occupation government abusing your tax dollars...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ramps-training-ukrainian-troops-while-still-rejecting-proxy-war-label (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ramps-training-ukrainian-troops-while-still-rejecting-proxy-war-label)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-has-helped-kill-multiple-russian-generals-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-has-helped-kill-multiple-russian-generals-ukraine)

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81XxhLIJiLL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 06, 2022, 08:31:10 AM
Does Joe Biden intend to take the U.S. into a direct war with Russia?  Perhaps because the only historic way out of a deep economic recession is a war or housing starts? Perhaps, because they need a bigger distraction from the political impact of their own policies?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/05/why-is-the-white-house-bragging-about-conducting-military-operations-in-ukraine-to-kill-russians/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/05/why-is-the-white-house-bragging-about-conducting-military-operations-in-ukraine-to-kill-russians/)

Well...Duh!

Sweden given "assurances" if NATO membership applied for...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-gives-sweden-security-assurances-if-it-submits-nato-application (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-gives-sweden-security-assurances-if-it-submits-nato-application)

Brief sidebar re: above nation - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swedish-prime-minister-says-integration-has-failed-after-migrant-riots (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/swedish-prime-minister-says-integration-has-failed-after-migrant-riots)

Who doesn't want a weak member overrun with murderous rapine Satanic death cultists?   ::)

As CTH also noted above - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-assisted-sinking-russian-flagship-vessel-officials-say-bombshell-revelation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-assisted-sinking-russian-flagship-vessel-officials-say-bombshell-revelation)

And wrapping up with this - “The current generation of NATO politicians clearly does not take the nuclear threat seriously,” ambassador Anatoly Antonov told Newsweek.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-nato-not-taking-nuclear-threat-seriously (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-nato-not-taking-nuclear-threat-seriously)

No sh*t, Dude?  And in case ya haven't noticed...we who like to keep to ourselves first...are labelled enemies of this illegitimate occupation government...welcome to the party.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 06, 2022, 08:53:34 PM
^^^ remember when the US got all butt hurt over the fake story that Russians were paying a bounty for US dead in Afghanistan? Imagine how this plays in Russia.

Russia does not have to write anti western propaganda. We write it for them.
UA writes their own anti UA propaganda daily. Russia just puts it on TV.

#1051 Post by patentlymn » Fri May 06, 2022 6:02 pm
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1250
iEarlGrey, [5/6/2022 3:29 AM]
[Forwarded from Intel Slava Z]
🇺🇦??Local residents report that in Seversk and Serebryanka, which are still under the control of Ukrainian formations, an armored personnel carrier with a Z badge on board drives and fires at residential buildings. It is accompanied by a group of journalists who are filming another fake “how the Russians are hitting the residential areas” of Seversk and Serebryanka.

As soon as these settlements come under our control, these staged videos will be aired on Ukrainian and Western TV channels and resources.

UA making more anti UA propaganda to broadcast on Russian TV. Putin might smile when he hears this stuff. Video clip with subtitles. This could be fake but the UA is too proud of this stuff and made similar stuff before.

https://t.me/azmilitary11/3809
Ukrainian Nazi Oleksiy Serediuk says that this is 'a war of annihilation' and 'the entire Russian nation should be exterminated, if we want to survive (Nazi quote,Google it) ('der Russe muss sterben, damit wir leben konnen) and says 🇺🇦 don't take PoWs.




Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 09, 2022, 08:03:07 AM
Farts in the wind...

Everybody wasting time until the big finale...

https://youtu.be/SZsfAmBM7gU
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Ukraine-Losses.jpg)
H/T-GP

Looks more like a Ferengi war of acquisition...possession being paramount.  Wish we would GTFO of Europe and start acquiring troublesome neighbors too...

(sigh)

A real opportunity shot to Hell...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 10, 2022, 04:31:14 PM
Watching Zelensky talk is surreal. Like he is reading some corny movie script. Talking about victory.

Another source of videos from RU side.
https://twitter.com/coope125

also
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses

https://t.me/azmilitary11
https://t.me/DonbassDevushka

cartoon
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1349
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FSYo69MWQAAGnFV.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2022, 04:44:56 PM
There is a lot more being released by the Rus as far as videos of combat operations...makes me wonder if they weren't as inclined early on before they achieved some consolidation...rolling in were those UKR videos of their troops whacking UKR cameras...

Fluff pieces I throw out with the atrocities as documented provenance matters and good and bad get conducted on both sides in a real war...

Funny cartoon...but the Euro's aren't slow-walking EU membership because it is convenient to not piss off Russia...pretty much think in most cases they don't care who they piss off...even each other...and it's not because of Nazi's...which I guess includes all "nationalists" they way people define things now...and everybody has Nazis...heck, Dmitri Utkin aside...Putinism is in its essence extremely nationalist...hence fascist...no, nobody cares about their Nazis...it's because of corruption...which coming from autocratic Euro's or smug American Marxists is an especially egregious and darkly ironic insult to people's intelligence.

Whatever...

Be nice if all sides got their asses kicked...in the end we all lose...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2022, 08:52:39 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-country-1st-time-adopts-law-declaring-russias-invasion-genocide-terrorism (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-country-1st-time-adopts-law-declaring-russias-invasion-genocide-terrorism)

Well, that'll help things.  But hey, there is a lot of Soviet hangovers on the former occupier and occupied sides impelling a lot of animosity right wrong or indifferent...

It's just another piece of the mosaic in the march to WWIII...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2022, 09:26:43 AM
More Soviet hangovers...

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson met with Swedish Prime Minister Magdalena Andersson in Sweden on Wednesday and agreed that relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin should never be normalized.

“The leaders agreed that the aftershocks of Putin’s abhorrent invasion of Ukraine had fundamentally changed international security architecture,” a spokesman for Johnson said following the meeting. “They underlined that relations with Putin could never be normalized.”

The statement is the latest example of Western leaders suggesting they want to see Putin removed from office.

On Tuesday, Lithuania’s foreign minister explicitly called for regime change in Moscow, claiming it was the only way for regional countries to be safe from Russia. During his visit to Sweden, Johnson signed a military pact that vowed Britain would come to Sweden’s defense if it was attacked.

“Whether it’s in the event of a disaster or a military attack, what we’re saying today is that upon request from the other party, we would come to the other parties’ assistance,” Johnson said at a press conference with Andersson.

The new pact comes as Sweden and Finland are considering applying to join NATO. Johnson also visited Finland on Wednesday and made a similar pledge to defend the country if it is attacked.

Sweden and Finland are expected to make a decision on joining NATO sometime this week and are seeking security guarantees from alliance members during a potential application period. Moscow has warned against the two nations joining NATO, and Russian officials have said Russia will have to reinforce the over 800-mile border with Finland.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-sweden-say-relations-putin-can-never-be-normalized-sign-defense-pact (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-sweden-say-relations-putin-can-never-be-normalized-sign-defense-pact)

With all do respect to the Lithuanian FM...personalizing this is a mistake...personally, most people know I have no trust in Putin, don't like the son of a bitch...but removing him is likely to get you something worse...like that lunatic Patrushev.  I understand the FM's inclination being he was in one of many states under brutal Soviet domination...but the sane goal is containment not regime change, collapse or open no holds barred warfare.

And while Johnson's agreement with Sweden looks Chamberlianesque...that corrupt bargainis already baked into NATO Article 5, so...either this way or the direct way the suicide pact is in play.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 13, 2022, 12:46:43 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/russia-cut-power-supply-finland-tomorrow/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/russia-cut-power-supply-finland-tomorrow/)

FWIW
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2022, 11:02:01 AM
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febf0b15b-0901-421f-82f4-924969117bc6_586x412.png)
H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on May 15, 2022, 04:49:26 PM
(https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Febf0b15b-0901-421f-82f4-924969117bc6_586x412.png)
H/T-CTH

YEP!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
I think it was Matt Bracken at WRSA who said it is the time of of the corrupt to "rob the Imperial Treasury" with impunity or some such thing...point being, like Rome, we are in a bad phase...and the looting by the elite is getting worse, more brazen...

Regardless, the PTB's are doing what they are told to do by the central cabalists...I think most people see what is coming...

See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whats-next-former-russian-president-warns-wests-self-harming-sanctions-mean-collapse (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whats-next-former-russian-president-warns-wests-self-harming-sanctions-mean-collapse)

I don't think Dmitry came up with these talking points on his own...and it is a curious thing...surely the Russians cannot think warning the West, especially this illegitimate occupation regime in America can be told to see the destruction their actions are wreaking...they are after all just following orders...their masters think after all of the destruction and chaos...they'll be in better shape...which isn't the same thing as saying Nation A or B will be in better shape...nations to them are an impediment to their ends...but I think the Russians understand -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-lawmaker-says-poland-next-line-de-nazification (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-lawmaker-says-poland-next-line-de-nazification)

...Nazi's in Poland is their next excuse to acquire territory.  It seems the central aim of Russia and China to exist as nations...even though eventually the latter will gobble the former.

Everybody is choosing sides...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/15/sunday-talks-finland-president-sauli-niinisto-indicates-a-global-cleaving-behind-decision-to-join-nato/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/15/sunday-talks-finland-president-sauli-niinisto-indicates-a-global-cleaving-behind-decision-to-join-nato/)

...for economic survival or physical survival.

Frankly, I think everybody is behaving stupidly...there won't be a "winner" unless one defines it as being less mortally crippled than Bastard A or Bastard B...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2022, 08:40:32 AM
Battle for Azovstal is over...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/least-300-azov-fighters-surrender-russians-azovstal-plant-ending-lengthy-siege (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/least-300-azov-fighters-surrender-russians-azovstal-plant-ending-lengthy-siege)

...lets see if any prisoner swaps materialize.  We'll see how existentially threaten "nazis" are.

As for these three...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-germany-italy-favor-negotiations-end-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-germany-italy-favor-negotiations-end-ukraine-war)

...they may not want to be at war with Russia...and they may cite food concerns which are certainly real...but has as much to do with a desire to return to normalcy as anything...like normal flow of energy...and partitioning Ukraine is OK.

Well, the illegitimate occupation regime in the US disagrees, and cares not about energy, food or their own citizens...they make that painfully clear with every act and word...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2022, 09:54:17 AM
Someone said this is like WWI where the elites had more in common with each other on all sides that the cannot fodder they sent to their deaths. I recall that the heads of state of the WWI combatants were related to each other, even cousins.

Zelensky certainly does not care about having 'his' people killed because they are not his people.
The US cares even less about Ukrainians.

The initial groups of civilians in the steel plant were mostly locals who sought refuge there and were held hostage by Azov.
These? True believers maybe. I heard that UA is trying to call this an "evacuation" rather than surrender. I wonder if that will spread.

These people have not been "fighting" for a long time. They were hiding just waiting to die. Senseless.

Russia tried diplomacy and had a couple Minsk agreements. The west, mostly US, encouraged UA to ignore the agreements. So Russia learned the US and UA were not to be trusted.

The people defending Mariupol were not locals but invaders from other parts of UA who hated the locals.

Many people in the western UA had joined the territorial defense with the understanding or even contract  that they would not be sent outside that territory. Now they are dying in the east.

I wonder how the people surrendering from the plant will be sorted out and treated. Regular military vs Nazis vs foreign mercenaries. They were guaranteed preservation of life if they surrendered. Russia has no death penalty. For every American who died in WWII 8 soviets died. They do not like Nazis. Many of the Azov have lots of Nazi tattoos.

The US armed crazies in Syria, calling them "moderate rebels." Maybe we will rebrand these as "moderate Nazis."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2022, 12:05:48 PM
Is Dmitri Utkin a moderate Nazi?

Well, regardless...the primary clowns in the macabre circus of death want war without end...until perhaps there is a definitive end...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-pledges-open-ended-military-support-ukraine-ahead-us-senate-40bn-aid-vote (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-pledges-open-ended-military-support-ukraine-ahead-us-senate-40bn-aid-vote)

All signs point towards more bloodshed, not less...

No survivor will care  about finger pointing...whoever is nearest them will get rewarded accordingly...

Same as it has always been...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2022, 01:26:10 PM
 As long as it is just Ukrainians and Russians dying the west loves war.
US politicians barely hide it anymore. Fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

I heard that more of the Ukrainians captured or killed in the east are in their 40s and from the west. Some from territorial guard units who never expected to be moved out of the west. 400 Ukrainian soldiers dying per day?

They might run out of Ukrainians soon.

Ukraine and much of the west avoids using the word "surrender" in reporting the final surrender at Azovstal.
"Evacuated"
https://www.google.com/search?q=azovstal (https://www.google.com/search?q=azovstal)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2022, 01:47:21 PM

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2022, 01:56:02 PM
Expecting honest coverage by any latter day jurno is an unrealistic expectation...expect the worst and you cannot be disappointed...

I doubt your average Russian soldier is ever asked if they are OK dying for energy dominance and buffer space...I'm sure its party line de-nazification and protecting the Russian-speaking peoples...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

It's always about perspective...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2022, 01:56:47 PM

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

No news on prisoner swaps, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2022, 09:59:15 PM

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

No news on prisoner swaps, eh?

No. I expect the talking heads in the MSM to start taking about the Geneva convention etc. Most will be spouting gibberish.

I think that the Geneva convention covers more than just soldiers in a regular army in uniform.
I understand that POWs are entitled to the presumption they are covered until that status is determined.
I think the Russians sorted out the regular army, the NAZIs, civilians and mercenaries.
If the Ukes have been not taking prisoners as they boast they may have few to swap.

Is the Red Cross allowed to visit any POWs?
Any word on high ranking US military/retired?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2022, 08:34:29 AM

DW News youtube
Russia: Deal reached to evacuate Azovstal's wounded.

No news on prisoner swaps, eh?

No. I expect the talking heads in the MSM to start taking about the Geneva convention etc. Most will be spouting gibberish.

I think that the Geneva convention covers more than just soldiers in a regular army in uniform.
I understand that POWs are entitled to the presumption they are covered until that status is determined.
I think the Russians sorted out the regular army, the NAZIs, civilians and mercenaries.
If the Ukes have been not taking prisoners as they boast they may have few to swap.

Is the Red Cross allowed to visit any POWs?
Any word on high ranking US military/retired?

I don't know about visits...perhaps a more recent addendum, not sure any new elements the past 40 years...they are entitled to humanitarian packages through the Red Cross...Muslim Red Crescent too I believe...and humanitarian packages from family and letters...

Something Charlie notoriously abused during Vietnam...

I have not heard of any notable American captures, obviously any netted would be more valuable than even a Uke General...and the higher the rank the greater the prize...

Pretty sure if the Russians had any of those we wouldn't know it until much later (if a preferential deal tilted Russia's way was the price for said return) if ever...otherwise if no leveraged deal possible they would already be making propaganda advantage of them...

Meanwhile...

No impetus either side to negotiate squat...Russia has the territory it wants...Ukraine has the West propping it up...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-not-happening-any-form-stances-harden (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-peace-talks-not-happening-any-form-stances-harden)

I reckon the stalemate will be broken when somebody runs out of patience and decides to stir things up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 18, 2022, 11:35:49 AM

^^^^
Quote
Leaders of NATO countries have been actively discouraging Ukraine from holding peace talks with Russia. British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said that he "urged" Ukraine not to negotiate with the Russians. He reportedly told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in an April 9 visit to Kyiv that even if Ukraine was ready to sign a deal with Russia, the West was not.

The US and many of its NATO allies have also made clear that one of their main goals in Ukraine is to hurt Russia. According to the Times, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas has said the West needs to push for a military defeat of Russia rather than "a peace that allows aggression to pay off."

In recent weeks, the leaders of France, Germany, and Italy have all come out in favor of a negotiated solution to end the war, but Washington does not appear to be on board with the idea. When asked about the US’s position on negotiations, Biden administration officials have said they feel the best way they could help Ukraine is by supporting them militarily.

I read that UA made some concessions at Istanbul then Boris told them to retract them which they did. RU concluded the negotiations were not in good faith.

IMO if UA was willing to allow autonomy for the Donbass and kiss off Crimea the war might be over.
Earlier on all that was needed was to honor Minsk and stop shelling the east, which was included in Minsk I believe. But the US and the oh so clever boys and girls at the state dept decided to encourage UA to jerk RU and the Donbass around. They showed that diplomacy was likely useless as the US and UA could not be trusted. Only military force would work.

If US refuses to negotiate I have no clue as to how far RU will go. They do not want to take over regions that are not friendly to RU and RU speakers. Most of the defenders at Mariupol were from elsewhere BTW. IMO they would like Odessa but do not want to see the city destroyed.

RU has been rather restrained so far. They do attack military posts even if they are in apts, schools, or hospitals. They recently took out fuel and ammo dumps and also stored weapons They waited 2 months before they took out the RR electric substations and RR bridges after the west kept bragging about all the heavy weapons they would provided.

Last I heard the two biggest cities in UA had water, sewer, electricity, internet, cell service. If UA did something big against RU that could change in the blink of an eye. Hell, RU still provides nat gas to UA. UA recently cut off 1/3 of gas to EU via UA because RU started supplying the Donbass from the northern pipeline. Apparently UA had cut them off.

IMO RU may get to the point where they want to sue for peace. UA will react by terrorizing the civilians in the RU held areas as they have been for 8 years. RU will react in steps by taking out say electricity in part of Kiev or shutting off the gas. UA will start to run out of Ukrainians to throw at the Russians. I read that more of the troops surrendered/killed in the east are old and from the territorial guard in the west.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2022, 12:29:38 PM
As usual, DemCom's good at getting into wars...totally suck on executing them, achieving victory or exiting with dignity...and leave sh!t to others to clean up...

The financial and military assistance to Ukraine came with the wrong strings...instead of the corruption and DeepState strings it should have come with one simple demand - negotiate an end, contain this sh!t or we pull the plug...but that's now how these corrupt bastards roll...and its even easier woth the Woketarded REMFs dominating the Pentagon...

So, protracted and unstable it will remain...

As for Azovstal...seems its the lower ranks walking out...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/1000-azovstal-fighters-have-surrendered-monday-top-commanders-remain-kremlin (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/1000-azovstal-fighters-have-surrendered-monday-top-commanders-remain-kremlin)

...the bigger fish are staying in the bowl.

Either they are holding out for better surrender terms, planning to go out in a blaze of stupidity or wanting the Rus to level all to ruin...or all of the above.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 18, 2022, 01:16:53 PM
^^^
I read that an attempt to add any auditing provision to the $40B was shot down. No inspector general.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 18, 2022, 03:21:35 PM

Some telegram links, many about Ukraine. A couple in Russian.
https://t.me/milinfolive
https://t.me/Slavyangrad
https://t.me/intelslava
https://t.me/thegrayzonenews
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV
https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim
https://t.me/news_mvddnr
https://t.me/brianlovethailand
https://t.me/CyberspecNews
https://t.me/realCRP
https://t.me/teleSUREng
https://t.me/telesurenglish

https://t.me/intelslava/29170
🇺🇦🐽 Ukrainian militants declare on camera that they shoot people without trial or investigation and will continue to do so.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2022, 04:00:36 PM
Well, reading from scripts...seems a little less organic and more...well...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2022, 04:01:24 PM
^^^
I read that an attempt to add any auditing provision to the $40B was shot down. No inspector general.

That's because scum wants full-on larcenous corruption to flow back their way vs just a little juice...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2022, 08:21:20 AM
All right, calm down...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-nato-war-games-set-begin-miles-russian-base (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-nato-war-games-set-begin-miles-russian-base)

...just because the last time war games were conducted along another's border and Ukraine got invaded doesn't mean Russia has jack squat to worry about from these NATO pussies...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 19, 2022, 12:14:29 PM

https://www.rt.com/news/555644-us-aid-ukraine-money-laundering/ (https://www.rt.com/news/555644-us-aid-ukraine-money-laundering/)
 US aid to Ukraine looks ‘like money laundering scheme’ – congresswoman
American aid to Kiev goes to NGOs run by “friends and families” of US politicians, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene claims
US aid to Ukraine looks ‘like money laundering scheme’ – congresswoman

FILE PHOTO. ©  Global Look Press / www.imago-images.de (http://www.imago-images.de)

The financial support America provides to Ukraine looks very much “like money laundering schemes,” Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) has told ‘The Truth With Lisa Boothe’ podcast on Monday. The money supposedly destined for Ukrainians ends up in the pockets of “non-profits and NGOs” that are often run by people close to the politicians in Washington, Greene has claimed.

“They want to get $40 billion to Ukraine and you have these $40 billion on top of the money that have already been given. That brings it to $53 billion. That is over two thirds of the State Department’s entire budget for the year,” the congresswoman said, referring to the latest aid package that is currently going through the US Senate.

According to Greene, the US officials are doing this to eventually fund the NGOs operated by “their families and friends.” “It is basically like money laundering schemes,” she said.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2022, 12:29:37 PM
Founders warned us...we passed the warnings along...people didn't GAFF...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2022, 08:58:13 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-halts-finlands-gas-supply-two-days-after-applying-nato (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-halts-finlands-gas-supply-two-days-after-applying-nato)

Only a 5% sector so looks pretty easy to adjust to.

McConnell's Cucks once again hand a victory to all who value corruption and greed above all else...struggling people in this sh!t economy being an obvious all else being pissed on...as The Good Book says, ye shall know them by their fruits...and their fruits are bitter and rotted...

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Senate-Ukraine-Bill-1.jpg)
H/T-CTH

Y'all can go straight to Hell with the DemCom's...and the sooner the better!   ::doublebird::

This is good.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/19/col-douglas-macgregor-delivers-an-update-on-ukraine-from-a-perspective-western-media-cannot-dare-advance/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/19/col-douglas-macgregor-delivers-an-update-on-ukraine-from-a-perspective-western-media-cannot-dare-advance/)

I like how shortly after the 3min. mark the news that SecDef sought out his counterpart Shoigu to discuss an immediate negotiation on Ukraine...ummm, is he unaware Shoigu is MIA or is the reporting in error?  I find that stunning.  Col. McGregor only commented the negotiations should have been called weeks ago.  Well, anyway...  And he is right about Sweden off-shoring defense to free up their domestic budget (ie-we got another ward on our hands) and while Finland may not be under immanent threat by Russia, they at least have historical animosities Sweden never had except way back when the two we briefly unified.

Anyway...the primary dynamic of DemComs & Cucks hating Russia and Russia hating America & NATO remains preeminent...

As for the W gaff...well, he's old, he don't care...and proves all the stories that Cheney ran the show were right.

https://youtu.be/Y5gWIzybdJ0 (https://youtu.be/Y5gWIzybdJ0)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 20, 2022, 11:36:54 AM
Well, thanks to inflation...this $40B is now worth about $30B...so that'll cut into the corrupt politicians juice coming back...

And the G7's $20B probably worth about $15B and cutting juice there too...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/g7-countries-pledge-nearly-20bn-keep-ukraines-wartime-economy-afloat (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/g7-countries-pledge-nearly-20bn-keep-ukraines-wartime-economy-afloat)

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2022, 09:51:10 PM

Good commentary. Some guy came back from month in UA and said access is extremely restricted compared to other wars. He was covering war for Harpers. Some Irish MP makes goods comments. Good points that the militaries KNOW how many troops are still alive each day.

At 4 min Irish MP describes what US journalist Seth Harp reported back. Hard to get info that does not come from the UA MOD and is homogenized.
13 min total.
https://youtu.be/6hD1mNrY6R4
 
Kim Iversen: Piss-Poor Ukraine War Reporting INSULTS American’s Intelligence
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2022, 09:55:24 PM
The US claiming that there is a Russian blockade of Ukrainian ports.
I do not believe that is true. I recall that Turkey is pissed because Ukraine mines the black sea.
https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/ (https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/)
Statement by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia at UN Security Council open debate “Conflict and food security”
By
America Times News Service
May 20, 2022
...
An important factor is the leap over to green energy that is being imposed on the entire world instead of a thoroughly considered smooth energy transition, to say nothing of straight-up politicizing of energy cooperation by some states. As a result, energy projects were abandoned recklessly and energy prices spiked. In 2020-2022 oil prices increased by more than 22 %, affecting fuel for farm machinery and agricultural carriers, as well as electricity for food industry. Gas price also went record high – in December 2021 gas spot price reached a psychological benchmark of 2,000 dollars for a thousand cubic meters, even though Russia enhanced deliveries. This led up to an unprecedented increase of prices for mineral fertilizers in December 2021: carbamide and saltpeter prices multiplied by 3.5-4, prices for other fertilizers increased two- or threefold.
...
You say that we allegedly block opportunities for exporting agricultural products from Ukraine by sea. Truth is however that it is Ukraine and not Russia who has blocked 75 vessels from 17 states in the ports of Nikolaev, Kherson, Chernomorsk, Mariupol, Ochakov, Odessa, and Yuzhniy and has mined the waterways. How can we be talking about grain exports? Russia’s armed forces daily open a humanitarian corridor, which is a safe passageway for vessels leading in the south-western direction from Ukraine’s territorial waters. As for Kiev, it evades interacting with foreign states who operate those vessels to solve the issue of their safe exit to the rendezvous area. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2022, 08:29:43 AM

Good commentary. Some guy came back from month in UA and said access is extremely restricted compared to other wars. He was covering war for Harpers. Some Irish MP makes goods comments. Good points that the militaries KNOW how many troops are still alive each day.

At 4 min Irish MP describes what US journalist Seth Harp reported back. Hard to get info that does not come from the UA MOD and is homogenized.
13 min total.
https://youtu.be/6hD1mNrY6R4
 
Kim Iversen: Piss-Poor Ukraine War Reporting INSULTS American’s Intelligence

Well, since 95% of Jurno's are Marxists following party line orders and obedient to the demands of Deep State...their role can hardly be described as surprising on any topic...

As for insulting American's intelligence...well, what had been a long-time goal of DemCom's has also become a core practice among RINO/AINO/Establishment Cucks...its just the latter wasn't revealed in all its depravity until the rise of Donald Trump.

Now days, those not insulting our intelligence is a much shorter list to work from...

Even then, with most all...a measure of salt is needed, the only question is how large a portion is required?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
The US claiming that there is a Russian blockade of Ukrainian ports.
I do not believe that is true. I recall that Turkey is pissed because Ukraine mines the black sea.
https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/ (https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/)
Statement by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia at UN Security Council open debate “Conflict and food security”
By
America Times News Service
May 20, 2022
...
An important factor is the leap over to green energy that is being imposed on the entire world instead of a thoroughly considered smooth energy transition, to say nothing of straight-up politicizing of energy cooperation by some states. As a result, energy projects were abandoned recklessly and energy prices spiked. In 2020-2022 oil prices increased by more than 22 %, affecting fuel for farm machinery and agricultural carriers, as well as electricity for food industry. Gas price also went record high – in December 2021 gas spot price reached a psychological benchmark of 2,000 dollars for a thousand cubic meters, even though Russia enhanced deliveries. This led up to an unprecedented increase of prices for mineral fertilizers in December 2021: carbamide and saltpeter prices multiplied by 3.5-4, prices for other fertilizers increased two- or threefold.
...
You say that we allegedly block opportunities for exporting agricultural products from Ukraine by sea. Truth is however that it is Ukraine and not Russia who has blocked 75 vessels from 17 states in the ports of Nikolaev, Kherson, Chernomorsk, Mariupol, Ochakov, Odessa, and Yuzhniy and has mined the waterways. How can we be talking about grain exports? Russia’s armed forces daily open a humanitarian corridor, which is a safe passageway for vessels leading in the south-western direction from Ukraine’s territorial waters. As for Kiev, it evades interacting with foreign states who operate those vessels to solve the issue of their safe exit to the rendezvous area. 

Well, I'll focus on the Black Sea issue...say Vassily is correct on the mines...I thought Russia basically absconded with the bulk of the Ukrainian Navy when it seized Crimea...so these mines were laid before Crimea was seized?  Meaning they mined what was previously theirs that became theirs?  Or are they admitting what little Ukraine has left allowed them to mine significant sections of the Black Sea coastal area and Russia was powerless to stop them and/or has no/little minesweeping capability?  Maybe they intended to do nothing about them...?

Anyway, the blame game is pointless...if not for an invasion, there'd be a fertilizer deliveries and harvests...if not for Russian-speaking-peoplesTM there would be no separatists bitching about having to speak Ukrainian in Ukrainian borders (like racist capitalist Americans insist on English, eh?)...if not for throwing Budapest aside Minsk 1/2 may not have been thrown aside...if not for Trump and America being the worst victims of fraud in history, perhaps none of this would have happened...if not for Soviet domination... ... ... ...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 23, 2022, 02:31:38 PM
Heh, first crappy burgers...now overpriced coffee...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/starbucks-exits-russia-after-15-years-closes-130-stores-follows-mcdonalds-lead (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/starbucks-exits-russia-after-15-years-closes-130-stores-follows-mcdonalds-lead)

...things are not all bad for Russia.   ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 23, 2022, 06:27:58 PM

Good commentary. Some guy came back from month in UA and said access is extremely restricted compared to other wars. He was covering war for Harpers. Some Irish MP makes goods comments. Good points that the militaries KNOW how many troops are still alive each day.

At 4 min Irish MP describes what US journalist Seth Harp reported back. Hard to get info that does not come from the UA MOD and is homogenized.
13 min total.
https://youtu.be/6hD1mNrY6R4
 
Kim Iversen: Piss-Poor Ukraine War Reporting INSULTS American’s Intelligence

Well, since 95% of Jurno's are Marxists following party line orders and obedient to the demands of Deep State...their role can hardly be described as surprising on any topic...

As for insulting American's intelligence...well, what had been a long-time goal of DemCom's has also become a core practice among RINO/AINO/Establishment Cucks...its just the latter wasn't revealed in all its depravity until the rise of Donald Trump.

Now days, those not insulting our intelligence is a much shorter list to work from...

Even then, with most all...a measure of salt is needed, the only question is how large a portion is required?
Kim Iversen has a knack for drilling into the heart of things. I realize her philosophy major was not nuclear physics but she at least had to learn different ways of looking at things. Back before The Hill she did a two part analysis of the Kurds that was much different from the the MSM and also one on the Uighurs.

Here she notes that the militaries know how many of their soldiers are alive each night. Yet the numbers are wildly different.

After observing this invasion for a while here are my conclusions.
The Russians do not report setbacks and defeats.
The Russians do not report the whole truth.
The Russians over estimate enemy casualties because all armies do. See US in Vietnam.
The Russians may under report their own casualties or they may not.
The Russians do not lie or bluff. They must see some advantage in that. They have a dry daily report.

The Ukrainians lie and spin 24/7. It is reported as fact by the MSM. It seems to work for them.
If the Ukraine military collapses it will seem odd because of the spin they are winning.
Zelensky and his backing oligarch have show business and TV backgrounds so they continue with that.
It is OK to call NAZIs NAZIs.
NAZIs do bad things as part of their beliefs.
NAZIs have an outsized influence in the Ukraine military and govt.
I SUSPECT that Ukraine is greatly under reporting casualties. That will not be known for a long time.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 23, 2022, 06:54:31 PM
The US claiming that there is a Russian blockade of Ukrainian ports.
I do not believe that is true. I recall that Turkey is pissed because Ukraine mines the black sea.
https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/ (https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/)
Statement by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia at UN Security Council open debate “Conflict and food security”
By
America Times News Service
May 20, 2022
...
An important factor is the leap over to green energy that is being imposed on the entire world instead of a thoroughly considered smooth energy transition, to say nothing of straight-up politicizing of energy cooperation by some states. As a result, energy projects were abandoned recklessly and energy prices spiked. In 2020-2022 oil prices increased by more than 22 %, affecting fuel for farm machinery and agricultural carriers, as well as electricity for food industry. Gas price also went record high – in December 2021 gas spot price reached a psychological benchmark of 2,000 dollars for a thousand cubic meters, even though Russia enhanced deliveries. This led up to an unprecedented increase of prices for mineral fertilizers in December 2021: carbamide and saltpeter prices multiplied by 3.5-4, prices for other fertilizers increased two- or threefold.
...
You say that we allegedly block opportunities for exporting agricultural products from Ukraine by sea. Truth is however that it is Ukraine and not Russia who has blocked 75 vessels from 17 states in the ports of Nikolaev, Kherson, Chernomorsk, Mariupol, Ochakov, Odessa, and Yuzhniy and has mined the waterways. How can we be talking about grain exports? Russia’s armed forces daily open a humanitarian corridor, which is a safe passageway for vessels leading in the south-western direction from Ukraine’s territorial waters. As for Kiev, it evades interacting with foreign states who operate those vessels to solve the issue of their safe exit to the rendezvous area. 

Well, I'll focus on the Black Sea issue...say Vassily is correct on the mines...I thought Russia basically absconded with the bulk of the Ukrainian Navy when it seized Crimea...so these mines were laid before Crimea was seized?  Meaning they mined what was previously theirs that became theirs?  Or are they admitting what little Ukraine has left allowed them to mine significant sections of the Black Sea coastal area and Russia was powerless to stop them and/or has no/little minesweeping capability?  Maybe they intended to do nothing about them...?

Anyway, the blame game is pointless...if not for an invasion, there'd be a fertilizer deliveries and harvests...if not for Russian-speaking-peoplesTM there would be no separatists bitching about having to speak Ukrainian in Ukrainian borders (like racist capitalist Americans insist on English, eh?)...if not for throwing Budapest aside Minsk 1/2 may not have been thrown aside...if not for Trump and America being the worst victims of fraud in history, perhaps none of this would have happened...if not for Soviet domination... ... ... ...

IMO it does not take much to lay mines. Small coastal patrol boats will do. Ukraine controls Odessa. Russia has mine sweepers but I imagine it is hard to catch them all. Turkey says Ukraine is laying mines and they drift into waters near Turkey.

It would be nice to know the names and places of the ships allegedly blockaded. If true it could be negotiated fast. But Ukraine hates even being in the same room with vermin and sub humans. Such direct meetings were promised in Minsk but Ukraine does not believe in that.

I recall 75% of the Ukrainian navy defected to Russia.
IMO little of the US billions spent on Ukraine was invested there. Most is in Swiss banks accounts I'll bet.
Western mercs report that they had a hard time getting rifles and ammo.

Grain shortages may be the result of something else.
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I respect the Duran and they respect Jacob Dreizin. He predicted a year of famine in 2022 back in Nov 2021 and updated Dec 2021. Why? Green energy policies, less nat gas for fertilizers. Sanctions on Belarus. etc. Who to blame? Now May 2022 we will blame Putin of course.


https://thedreizinreport.com/2021/11/16/the-famine-year-approaches/ (https://thedreizinreport.com/2021/11/16/the-famine-year-approaches/)
 The Famine Year Approaches

Published by dreizinreport on November 16, 2021

Russia sells nat gas to Ukraine even now. I see no reason why they would not sell fertilizer if they have it to sell.
Ukraine controls the upstream part of a northern nat gas pipeline from  Russia. Russia controls some downstream part. After Russia started diverting some Russian gas to the Donbass Kiev shut it off upstream, ending 1/3 of the gas to Germany with it.

After Crimea voted to rejoin Russia Kiev dammed the source of 90% of water to Crimea. This ended much agriculture in Crimea. A naval blockade seems more in keeping with Kiev's recent actions than Russia's. Still, a 'news' organization might ask Kiev and Moscow to detail their accusations of a blockade.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 23, 2022, 07:43:53 PM

The pumped $5B into Ukraine and backed a military coup which set this whole thing off. IMO the US backed regime change in both Belarus and Kazakhstan within the last year. Both failed. Ukraine never had control of the nukes BTW. That was in Moscow. Always. The physical nukes were in Ukraine but control was in Moscow.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances
The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2][3]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
The US claiming that there is a Russian blockade of Ukrainian ports.
I do not believe that is true. I recall that Turkey is pissed because Ukraine mines the black sea.
https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/ (https://www.america-times.com/statement-by-permanent-representative-vassily-nebenzia-at-un-security-council-open-debate-conflict-and-food-security/)
Statement by Permanent Representative Vassily Nebenzia at UN Security Council open debate “Conflict and food security”
By
America Times News Service
May 20, 2022
...
An important factor is the leap over to green energy that is being imposed on the entire world instead of a thoroughly considered smooth energy transition, to say nothing of straight-up politicizing of energy cooperation by some states. As a result, energy projects were abandoned recklessly and energy prices spiked. In 2020-2022 oil prices increased by more than 22 %, affecting fuel for farm machinery and agricultural carriers, as well as electricity for food industry. Gas price also went record high – in December 2021 gas spot price reached a psychological benchmark of 2,000 dollars for a thousand cubic meters, even though Russia enhanced deliveries. This led up to an unprecedented increase of prices for mineral fertilizers in December 2021: carbamide and saltpeter prices multiplied by 3.5-4, prices for other fertilizers increased two- or threefold.
...
You say that we allegedly block opportunities for exporting agricultural products from Ukraine by sea. Truth is however that it is Ukraine and not Russia who has blocked 75 vessels from 17 states in the ports of Nikolaev, Kherson, Chernomorsk, Mariupol, Ochakov, Odessa, and Yuzhniy and has mined the waterways. How can we be talking about grain exports? Russia’s armed forces daily open a humanitarian corridor, which is a safe passageway for vessels leading in the south-western direction from Ukraine’s territorial waters. As for Kiev, it evades interacting with foreign states who operate those vessels to solve the issue of their safe exit to the rendezvous area. 

Well, I'll focus on the Black Sea issue...say Vassily is correct on the mines...I thought Russia basically absconded with the bulk of the Ukrainian Navy when it seized Crimea...so these mines were laid before Crimea was seized?  Meaning they mined what was previously theirs that became theirs?  Or are they admitting what little Ukraine has left allowed them to mine significant sections of the Black Sea coastal area and Russia was powerless to stop them and/or has no/little minesweeping capability?  Maybe they intended to do nothing about them...?

Anyway, the blame game is pointless...if not for an invasion, there'd be a fertilizer deliveries and harvests...if not for Russian-speaking-peoplesTM there would be no separatists bitching about having to speak Ukrainian in Ukrainian borders (like racist capitalist Americans insist on English, eh?)...if not for throwing Budapest aside Minsk 1/2 may not have been thrown aside...if not for Trump and America being the worst victims of fraud in history, perhaps none of this would have happened...if not for Soviet domination... ... ... ...

IMO it does not take much to lay mines. Small coastal patrol boats will do. Ukraine controls Odessa. Russia has mine sweepers but I imagine it is hard to catch them all. Turkey says Ukraine is laying mines and they drift into waters near Turkey.

It would be nice to know the names and places of the ships allegedly blockaded. If true it could be negotiated fast. But Ukraine hates even being in the same room with vermin and sub humans. Such direct meetings were promised in Minsk but Ukraine does not believe in that.

I recall 75% of the Ukrainian navy defected to Russia.
IMO little of the US billions spent on Ukraine was invested there. Most is in Swiss banks accounts I'll bet.
Western mercs report that they had a hard time getting rifles and ammo.

Grain shortages may be the result of something else.
Quote
I respect the Duran and they respect Jacob Dreizin. He predicted a year of famine in 2022 back in Nov 2021 and updated Dec 2021. Why? Green energy policies, less nat gas for fertilizers. Sanctions on Belarus. etc. Who to blame? Now May 2022 we will blame Putin of course.


https://thedreizinreport.com/2021/11/16/the-famine-year-approaches/ (https://thedreizinreport.com/2021/11/16/the-famine-year-approaches/)
 The Famine Year Approaches

Published by dreizinreport on November 16, 2021

Russia sells nat gas to Ukraine even now. I see no reason why they would not sell fertilizer if they have it to sell.
Ukraine controls the upstream part of a northern nat gas pipeline from  Russia. Russia controls some downstream part. After Russia started diverting some Russian gas to the Donbass Kiev shut it off upstream, ending 1/3 of the gas to Germany with it.

After Crimea voted to rejoin Russia Kiev dammed the source of 90% of water to Crimea. This ended much agriculture in Crimea. A naval blockade seems more in keeping with Kiev's recent actions than Russia's. Still, a 'news' organization might ask Kiev and Moscow to detail their accusations of a blockade.

If true then it means the Ukes control the sea better than the Russians...

If I ran Ukraine I reckon I would exploit that, acquire more assets and raise a lot of heck all along the coast...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2022, 08:00:43 AM

The pumped $5B into Ukraine and backed a military coup which set this whole thing off. IMO the US backed regime change in both Belarus and Kazakhstan within the last year. Both failed. Ukraine never had control of the nukes BTW. That was in Moscow. Always. The physical nukes were in Ukraine but control was in Moscow.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)
The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2][3]

And they all violated it...

But, so what?   It appears nobody cares either...so, its all barking at the wind...

See?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial)

Tit...then Tat...

Follow the script...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 24, 2022, 11:36:47 AM
Damn...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-chief-says-ukraine-get-harpoon-anti-ship-missiles-denmark (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-chief-says-ukraine-get-harpoon-anti-ship-missiles-denmark)

...they reading my stuff?

And after the Godfather of Realpolitik urged negotiation to the status quo within the next 2 months to avoid a direct conflict with Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blue-checks-furious-after-henry-kissinger-says-ukraine-should-cede-territory-peace (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blue-checks-furious-after-henry-kissinger-says-ukraine-should-cede-territory-peace)

...the blue-check Marxists want nothing to do with peaceful reesolution.

The script continues to be played out to the nightmare conclusion...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 24, 2022, 04:42:09 PM

The pumped $5B into Ukraine and backed a military coup which set this whole thing off. IMO the US backed regime change in both Belarus and Kazakhstan within the last year. Both failed. Ukraine never had control of the nukes BTW. That was in Moscow. Always. The physical nukes were in Ukraine but control was in Moscow.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)
The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2][3]

And they all violated it...

But, so what?   It appears nobody cares either...so, its all barking at the wind...

See?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial)

Tit...then Tat...

Follow the script...

I don't think the guy was treated as a POW but a criminal.

Did the US violate Minsk with the various coups and coup attempts in those three countries?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 25, 2022, 08:00:44 AM

The pumped $5B into Ukraine and backed a military coup which set this whole thing off. IMO the US backed regime change in both Belarus and Kazakhstan within the last year. Both failed. Ukraine never had control of the nukes BTW. That was in Moscow. Always. The physical nukes were in Ukraine but control was in Moscow.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances)
The memorandum prohibited the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States from threatening or using military force or economic coercion against Ukraine, Belarus, and Kazakhstan, "except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations." As a result of other agreements and the memorandum, between 1993 and 1996, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons.[2][3]

And they all violated it...

But, so what?   It appears nobody cares either...so, its all barking at the wind...

See?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-soldier-given-life-sentence-ukraines-first-war-crimes-trial)

Tit...then Tat...

Follow the script...

I don't think the guy was treated as a POW but a criminal.

Did the US violate Minsk with the various coups and coup attempts in those three countries?

I dunno, did anybody press a case in The Hague at the ICC or ICJ?  Did the UNSC sanction the US?

Anybody else see cases pressed against any major powers in the modern era?   ::saywhat::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 25, 2022, 09:29:35 AM
In other news...

Likely there's currently intense Russian diplomacy being aimed at the Turkish government arguing that Finland especially, which shares an over 800-mile long border with Russia, must not be admitted into the Western military alliance.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-sweden-dispatch-teams-turkey-after-erdogan-said-dont-even-bother (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-sweden-dispatch-teams-turkey-after-erdogan-said-dont-even-bother)

No!

/

Me personally would have no problem telling Turkey to go screw itself...they call any Kurd a terrorist...I would take a Kurd over a Turk any day.

I would kick Turkey out of NATO...let them embrace Russia, WTF do I care what they do?  Russians love all the dregs of the planet...why are we not letting them have them?

Anyway, expect most members to kiss Turk ass...in their hatred and greed they think they cannot function without them at the Eastern gate...

Whatever...

And, this cannot happen unless the Russians are as impotent in their lake as I question they are -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-backs-lithuanias-plan-naval-protective-corridor-lift-russian-blockade-ukraine-ports (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-backs-lithuanias-plan-naval-protective-corridor-lift-russian-blockade-ukraine-ports)

I suspect the Russians will bitch...but allow the Western devils to clear the mines they cannot.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 08:15:54 AM
More Russian threats of initiating thermonuclear war...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/)

...no, we have enough Satan going on with an illegitimate occupation government and corrupt institutions thank you!   ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 01, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
More Russian threats of initiating thermonuclear war...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/)

...no, we have enough Satan going on with an illegitimate occupation government and corrupt institutions thank you!   ::vafancoul::

At least this is just the RU MSM not Putin talking. He is much more measured in his use of words.
UA has been shelling civilian areas with no dual use or military presence for 8 years. They recently used a US M777 howitzer to shell Donetsk city I believe. That is what they refer to.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 12:43:16 PM
Commanders have abandoned their troops in the Eastern provinces...pretty strong indication the status quo is the new reality...

Kinda sad, troops are willing...leadership is garbage...

They ought to nominate their own commanding officer and fallback to more defensible and supplied areas if they were smart...otherwise they are going to be target practice for Russians and their separatist pals...

Anywho, saw this, had to chuckle...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europol-warns-weapons-shipped-ukraine-could-be-used-criminal-groups-years (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europol-warns-weapons-shipped-ukraine-could-be-used-criminal-groups-years)

Happens in every conflict...especially proxy wars...and apparently some are forgetful of Biden's Afghanistan & Good Time Charlie who armed the Mujahideen...Clinton and Bosnia & Kosovo...Carter and Iranian fustercluck...Nixon (inherited from LBJ) & Vietnam...

And, how did all those AK's and RPG's etc ever fall into others hands?  Purchased and donated...

Monkey's toss their pooh, film at 11...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
More Russian threats of initiating thermonuclear war...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/)

...no, we have enough Satan going on with an illegitimate occupation government and corrupt institutions thank you!   ::vafancoul::

At least this is just the RU MSM not Putin talking. He is much more measured in his use of words.
UA has been shelling civilian areas with no dual use or military presence for 8 years. They recently used a US M777 howitzer to shell Donetsk city I believe. That is what they refer to.

Yah, well their media is state run...just like 95% of ours...

I reckon a howitzer shell is about all the ammo they got left...hard to get anything through to the front...the gauntlet of corruption being what it is...as always war zones often see flocks of vultures to prey on anybody and everybody...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 01, 2022, 03:45:49 PM
More Russian threats of initiating thermonuclear war...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/)

...no, we have enough Satan going on with an illegitimate occupation government and corrupt institutions thank you!   ::vafancoul::

At least this is just the RU MSM not Putin talking. He is much more measured in his use of words.
UA has been shelling civilian areas with no dual use or military presence for 8 years. They recently used a US M777 howitzer to shell Donetsk city I believe. That is what they refer to.

Yah, well their media is state run...just like 95% of ours...

I reckon a howitzer shell is about all the ammo they got left...hard to get anything through to the front...the gauntlet of corruption being what it is...as always war zones often see flocks of vultures to prey on anybody and everybody...

I understand that heavy weapons have been making it from Poland into Ukraine and even to the front. The big problem with the MLRS systems is the massive numbers of missiles and support they require. Also training. The guy at New Atlas reads from US DOD manuals describing the logistics and training the US requires.  IMO any huge hits to Russian infrastructure inside Russia might mean lights out in Kiev.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 04:03:37 PM
More Russian threats of initiating thermonuclear war...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/russia-threatens-to-annihilate-u-s-with-4-satan-ii-missiles-over-ukraine-proxy-war/)

...no, we have enough Satan going on with an illegitimate occupation government and corrupt institutions thank you!   ::vafancoul::

At least this is just the RU MSM not Putin talking. He is much more measured in his use of words.
UA has been shelling civilian areas with no dual use or military presence for 8 years. They recently used a US M777 howitzer to shell Donetsk city I believe. That is what they refer to.

Yah, well their media is state run...just like 95% of ours...

I reckon a howitzer shell is about all the ammo they got left...hard to get anything through to the front...the gauntlet of corruption being what it is...as always war zones often see flocks of vultures to prey on anybody and everybody...

I understand that heavy weapons have been making it from Poland into Ukraine and even to the front. The big problem with the MLRS systems is the massive numbers of missiles and support they require. Also training. The guy at New Atlas reads from US DOD manuals describing the logistics and training the US requires.  IMO any huge hits to Russian infrastructure inside Russia might mean lights out in Kiev.

It is my understanding that the occupation government even realized it was stupid to give them anything more than short range for that very reason...and my earlier post about them being poorly equipped and trained seems to bear out that...and yours that they are dropping short range stuff when overrun/shelled heavily.

It's a fustercluck.  The time to arm and train is before the enemy invades, and even a first year plebe knows that...

This was a hurry-up/slap-shod clown show all the way...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2022, 08:45:38 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/milley-says-using-military-open-ukrainian-ports-would-be-high-risk (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/milley-says-using-military-open-ukrainian-ports-would-be-high-risk)

High risk...uhh huh...

Well, the low risk is letting the greedy NATO (heh) partner Turks broker an arrangement...

What a circus...

And lack of effort to control this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-uses-chinese-ships-and-indian-refiners-stay-ahead-oil-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-uses-chinese-ships-and-indian-refiners-stay-ahead-oil-sanctions)

...and instead being arm-chair gameboys with this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-engaged-offensive-cyber-ops-against-russia-ukraine-nsa-director-admits-first (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-engaged-offensive-cyber-ops-against-russia-ukraine-nsa-director-admits-first)

...indicates a weakness of effort that will fail to achieve victory.  I mean if they were serious...they'd be sabotaging those Chinese ships and Indian refineries...they think they can win this contest by remote control...

...and do not fall for that Russian mid-term hype...it is Russia Hoax Redux...not worth a sack of scat...

...target the Pentagoons?  Sure.  But the DemCom's will waste any amount of taxpayer funds to make sure only they can control the corrupt election machines...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2022, 08:17:55 AM
(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/warmap2.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/invasion-enters-100th-day-russia-now-holds-20-ukraine-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/invasion-enters-100th-day-russia-now-holds-20-ukraine-zelensky)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 03, 2022, 02:42:22 PM
 I have one huge problem with the ideas to ending the 'Russian blockade' of Ukrainian ports. I do not believe such a blockade exists. I have never seen a single example of such a blockade. I only see the blockade in headlines. Is there one example of a Russian warship stopping exit of a Ukrainian grain ship?

I read that the Russians are announcing daily corridors through the black sea for ships. The Russian MOD recently said they would provide corridors from Ukrainian controlled ports once the mines are removed.

Ukraine said they had mined waters outside Odessa to prevent a Russian landing. The there were reports from Turkey that Ukrainian mines were drifting all over the black sea some as far as Turkey. Ukraine blamed Russian mines.

Ukrainian TV showed UA soldiers deactivating a mine that washed up on an Odessa beach. The had blurred out the lettering on the mine.  ::facepalm::

Here is just one example. There is a Turkish ship stuck in a harbor that would have to pass through Ukrainian controlled waters to reach the black sea. The captain says that the problems is the mines in the waterway to the sea.

Also, is there an embargo on wheat from Russian ships? Maybe in some countries but not others? If so it would seem the blockade is from the west. Is the west starving people to harm Russia?

https://youtu.be/iyVSCUBrFTk?t=753
Ships Held Captive In Kherson Ukraine Port. See How
11,125 views
Jun 3, 2022
In Russian Controlled Kherson Region Ukraine there are many civilian ships that can not leave to the Black sea. In this report The captain of a Turkish ship in the port and Russian Soldiers explain why they can not leave the port and go to the Black sea.

I remember when OPEC was formed and some oil embargo. Now we have a self imposed Russian oil embargo.
I remember a scene in Blazing Saddles where the black sheriff pulls out a gun, points it at his own head, says to what he says or the n*gger gets it. 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 03, 2022, 04:03:16 PM
I have one huge problem with the ideas to ending the 'Russian blockade' of Ukrainian ports. I do not believe such a blockade exists. I have never seen a single example of such a blockade. I only see the blockade in headlines. Is there one example of a Russian warship stopping exit of a Ukrainian grain ship?

I read that the Russians are announcing daily corridors through the black sea for ships. The Russian MOD recently said they would provide corridors from Ukrainian controlled ports once the mines are removed.

Ukraine said they had mined waters outside Odessa to prevent a Russian landing. The there were reports from Turkey that Ukrainian mines were drifting all over the black sea some as far as Turkey. Ukraine blamed Russian mines.

Ukrainian TV showed UA soldiers deactivating a mine that washed up on an Odessa beach. The had blurred out the lettering on the mine.  ::facepalm::

Here is just one example. There is a Turkish ship stuck in a harbor that would have to pass through Ukrainian controlled waters to reach the black sea. The captain says that the problems is the mines in the waterway to the sea.

Also, is there an embargo on wheat from Russian ships? Maybe in some countries but not others? If so it would seem the blockade is from the west. Is the west starving people to harm Russia?

https://youtu.be/iyVSCUBrFTk?t=753
Ships Held Captive In Kherson Ukraine Port. See How
11,125 views
Jun 3, 2022
In Russian Controlled Kherson Region Ukraine there are many civilian ships that can not leave to the Black sea. In this report The captain of a Turkish ship in the port and Russian Soldiers explain why they can not leave the port and go to the Black sea.

I remember when OPEC was formed and some oil embargo. Now we have a self imposed Russian oil embargo.
I remember a scene in Blazing Saddles where the black sheriff pulls out a gun, points it at his own head, says to what he says or the n*gger gets it.

That's what they want the Western devils to do...make it easier for them to say "see!" gotchya, right, wrong or indifferent...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 04, 2022, 04:48:16 PM


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/14674
Poles told to gather firewood.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2022, 07:58:51 AM
Yes, it is the age where people have to be told what to do...rather than just know what to do and do it...   ::facepalm::

Nobody should be dependent upon anybody else...

Works for people, communities...and yes even nations.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 06, 2022, 10:57:46 AM


I agree with the quote below but wonder if Ukr is holding back good troops somewhere, maybe Kiev.
From what I understand.....

Ukr military wanted to pull out from Severodonetsk to a more defensible position as they prefer live soldiers to dead soldiers. Zelensky over ruled them as he wants glorious wins for his PR battles. So Ukr keeps feeding fresh meat into a Russian meat grinder. Russia is happy to oblige.

Does Biden admin want to keep the war going until the fall elections? Do they want to put off total Ukr collapse until then?


Among Friends
6 minutes ago
Current events are all highly reminiscent of late eastern front WWII. You have a drug crazed "leader" issuing irrational and self-destructive military orders while running propaganda mill churning out lies and hopium; a weak general staff; a military whose best troops have been decimated (at least) and is relying on volkssturm to fill gaps; mixed kampfgruppe deployed in place of coherent units; tactical counteroffensives leading to units getting wiped out; troop concentrations hopelessly encircled; a trickle of heavy weapons to replace massive amounts destroyed; complete loss of air support; expensive underperforming wunderwaffe like Javelins; and a rapidly failing logistics chain.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2022, 11:37:02 AM
The dead silence on the de facto partitioning is deafening...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2022, 08:40:50 AM
Oh, well, about to get louder...people got bored with nobody killing anybody and destroying stuff...so, this should correct that oversight...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-joins-us-sending-longer-range-rockets-ukraine-despite-putin-warnings (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-joins-us-sending-longer-range-rockets-ukraine-despite-putin-warnings)

War is back on.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 07, 2022, 10:58:50 AM

After the invasion Zelensky submitted a proposal at Istanbul. I do not know the exact language. In short, the west (US and UK and ?) would sign  a security agreement to defend Ukraine against Russian aggression but it would not include Crimea and Donbass(?).

Boris Johnson flew to Kiev and told them that the west would not agree to this if it did not include Donbass and Crimea. I think he was carrying this message from the US. Kiev then withdrew the proposal. Russia concluded Kiev was negotiating in bad faith and that diplomacy was pointless.  After Kiev withdrew the proposal the US agreed to send lots more money.

The effective partition could have been done much earlier without more bloodshed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 07, 2022, 11:12:54 AM
I posted this elsewhere. IMO the US has a blind spot when it comes to peace as a goal. We are like the Thing. It is always clobberin' time. I fail to see the upside of war in Ukraine.

Pretend you are the Biden admin and were presented with these facts, most from open sources. Feb 2022. What would you do?

1. The US controls the purse strings of Ukraine. You know this as former point man on Ukraine.
2. The US has been telling UA privately that they will never join NATO while publicly saying the matter is not settled.
3. Ukraine recently said they wanted nukes at Munich and the US remained silent on the matter. This reportedly upset Russia.
4. Ukraine has massed 60-100K troops on the Donbass border.
5. Ukraine has recently greatly increased shelling the Donbass, typically prelude to an attack.
6. If Ukraine attacks Donbass Russia will likely attack as doing nothing is politically damaging. A Russian pre-emptive attack is less likely.
7. Ukraine and Russia agreed to the Minsk agreements in 2014 and 2015 but Ukraine refuses to implement them or even meet with parties from Donbass.
8. US has armed Kiev and trained 1/3 of forces to NATO standards. Kiev used the 8 years to dig in in the east and move anti Russian forces into Russian friendly areas.

Do you
A. Tell Kiev privately and publicly that they will never join NATO or get nukes and to meet to implement Minsk.

B. Tell them to go for it as we have their back.

It is highly likely the US also had top secret information on the impending attack. Either shared info or spy obtained.

I went to the OSCE site and looked at some single day numbers for "explosions" in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.
For 2022 Donetsk Luhansk
2/23 345 1075
2/22 332 1149
1/22 14 50
12/22 74 42
11/20 95 51
10/22 70 39
9/22 8 76
8/21 6 60

https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports?page=21 (https://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/reports?page=21)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2022, 11:30:51 AM
I would order off the menu...go off script...as I see no appeal in any of those options listed...and under the JoeFraud occupation government nobody is going to be pleased with any outcome so really nothing had changed...our voiced don't matter...nobody's voices matter...only the DeepState masters and DeepPockets voices matter...

But if you must press...assuming I had 100% control of American policy...I would force a trade...

Take your paltry Russian-speaking territories and do what you will with them...keep the shathole of Syria and as long as no BS spills out of it, whatever, don't care...prop up the failed Venezuelan Marxist state, whatever...in return for disarming Iran of nuclear materials...by force if necessary...

Deal?

Next up, North Korea...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 09, 2022, 09:24:11 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ousted-ukrainian-official-breaks-silence-admits-she-lied-about-mass-rape-russians (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ousted-ukrainian-official-breaks-silence-admits-she-lied-about-mass-rape-russians)

Well, much like waiting 48 hours for the truth behind incidents in America to reveal facts vs MarxistMedia BS...this one needed time...

Pretty serious allegations to level at another nation without facts to back it up...I say if the Euro's don't punish her slander...perhaps throwing her to the Russians would be poetic justice? 

ETA -

As far as this goes...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-not-giving-us-info-about-its-military-ops-despite-receiving-billions (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-not-giving-us-info-about-its-military-ops-despite-receiving-billions)

Why not keep occupied America in the dark?  Everybody else ignoring/laughing at this dumpsterfire of a government...I would screw them over too every chance I get...their stupidity demands it be done!

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/u-s-intelligence-really-screwed/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/u-s-intelligence-really-screwed/)

And that there is the result of corrupt institutions!

Fall of Rome 2.0 is going to make 1.0 look like a smooth orderly transition...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2022, 02:18:23 PM

Quote
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-not-giving-us-info-about-its-military-ops-despite-receiving-billions

I read one interpretation of this.

The US govt and MSM have been printing 95% "Russia is losing" narratives. Now they have to face Russia is winning reality.

So it is not their fault. UA has been lying to us.
The US has no military experts to interpret facts on their own. We have have no satellites of anyone who can read a map.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on June 09, 2022, 02:58:32 PM

Quote
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-not-giving-us-info-about-its-military-ops-despite-receiving-billions

I read one interpretation of this.

The US govt and MSM have been printing 95% "Russia is losing" narratives. Now they have to face Russia is winning reality.

So it is not their fault. UA has been lying to us.
The US has no military experts to interpret facts on their own. We have have no satellites of anyone who can read a map.

It's not the US govt's fault?  The UA has been LYING?!  Oh noes!  (I'm presuming your last two sentences are /sarc.)

Some of the biggest and worst liars on the planet live in DC and work in the US govt.

The MSM *has* been lying their lying butts off ....... but the alt-right media knew just about from jump who was lying and about what.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2022, 04:32:18 PM

Quote
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraine-not-giving-us-info-about-its-military-ops-despite-receiving-billions

I read one interpretation of this.

The US govt and MSM have been printing 95% "Russia is losing" narratives. Now they have to face Russia is winning reality.

So it is not their fault. UA has been lying to us.
The US has no military experts to interpret facts on their own. We have have no satellites of anyone who can read a map.

It's not the US govt's fault?  The UA has been LYING?!  Oh noes!  (I'm presuming your last two sentences are /sarc.)

Some of the biggest and worst liars on the planet live in DC and work in the US govt.

The MSM *has* been lying their lying butts off ....... but the alt-right media knew just about from jump who was lying and about what.

Yes. Sarcasm.
I remember long ago some Clinton era intelligence guy. He said "Everybody lies. The trick is to lie first."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on June 09, 2022, 10:30:10 PM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on June 10, 2022, 08:41:47 AM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on June 10, 2022, 09:10:05 AM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

I don't know: "Gain-of-Function Polio", I'd imagine, would be much nastier (who knows how it's being bio-engineered?)

His other point (and, ironically, he was speaking in a Ukrainian church) was that the destruction, dismantling of the bio-labs is something we all, obviously, benefit from.

Other points mentioned: the Vax contains:


He also mentioned the coming "War on meat & protein" as well as stating that the ingredients in the "artificial meats" on the horizon will create toxic reactions in the bodies of the vaxxed -- but will not be outwardly visible (symptoms) until they inflict heavy internal damage.

Additionally, he hypothesizes that the baby formula "shortage" is a test -- with additional food shortages to be here soon (no date).

https://www.drtaubraun.com/ (https://www.drtaubraun.com/)

https://www.violenceprevention.com/dr-tau-braun (https://www.violenceprevention.com/dr-tau-braun)


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 10, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God.

Looks like resistance is going to be spiking...

Deus Vult
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 10, 2022, 03:23:07 PM


Russia's in real trouble now. /s

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/15049 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/15049)
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/climate-crisis-will-bring-on-russias-downfall-khlvk6bxq (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/climate-crisis-will-bring-on-russias-downfall-khlvk6bxq)
Climate crisis will bring on Russia’s downfall
The war has exposed another of Putin’s great miscalculations: ignoring a shift from fossil fuels
Roger Boyes
Tuesday June 07 2022, 9.00pm BST, The Times

Russia has made plenty of tactical mistakes in the war against Ukraine but it is one great strategic miscalculation by Vladimir Putin that will be the nation’s undoing. He launched his war at a time when global climate change was already pushing the developed world to bid a long farewell to the fossil fuels that accounted last year for 36 per cent of Russia’s budget.

Now sanctions and a complete western rethink about Moscow’s energy leverage over Europe are massively accelerating that process. The inevitable result: Russia, which built its wealth and political power on the back of manipulated gas monopolies and ruthless pipeline politics, is set to become a shrunken power, albeit one that retains a nuclear arsenal.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2022, 08:03:21 AM
Just putting a flower on a turd...

I'm sure the masses forced into an immobile society where each is equally miserable and living in government buildings will be their dream come true...

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2022, 09:07:13 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-seize-center-last-holdout-city-luhansk-province (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-forces-seize-center-last-holdout-city-luhansk-province)

First rule of Fight Club - Have the ability to fight before fighting...   :o   ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 15, 2022, 06:02:47 PM
Recently in Ukraine.
Kiev is shelling and sending rockets into civilian areas like Dontesk city center. Some are cluster munitions.
This is the most intense shelling of 8 years. Why? Why not use them on Russian military targets?

The evidence for this is the location of the hits well behind conflict lines, testimony of locals about the lack of military, and the visual confirmation of civilian reporters with video cameras.

Most of the western press refuses to cover this. When they do cover it they say it was Russians shelling the Russian ethnic areas.   There are a large number of such  videos.  Ukraine denies using cluster munitions but the spent rockets are filmed lying on the ground. There is also evidence of EU countries sending their cluster munitions to Ukraine. '

Some German reporter has been reporting from the ground in Donbass for 6 months. The German govt deleted her material, froze her bank account and is prosecuting her.

https://youtu.be/2G5v2Xx7JOk
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/5781

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/6988

https://youtu.be/olTwZbfzdPk

https://youtu.be/Ub2H8mcvmcM

https://youtu.be/Nl5WWmKgCaQ?t=1

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/1524
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2022, 09:09:57 AM
World is unsane...everywhere...no film at 11...(it's been running continuously for decades)...

Only one winner...just one...

(https://i.gifer.com/LwxF.gif)

ETA -

Morons...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/15/first-american-mercenary-contractors-captured-in-ukraine-by-russian-military/

They made their choice...that they chose poorly...not my fracking problem, not your fracking problem...it's their fracking problem...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 16, 2022, 11:37:22 AM
Some of the reporting on Ukraine will be shown to very, very wrong. Time will tell. I pay little attention daily 'news' on the battles. Zelensky makes similar "brave leader" speeches regardless of what happens so I ignore him.

Recently Kiev has been shelling civilian centers in Donetsk the heaviest in 8 years while complaining about the need more ammo. The web is filled with reports, photos, videos, and local testimonies. Most of the MSM in the west buries this.

IMO Russia has set up a meat grinder in Severodonetsk and Kiev is feeding untrained newly conscripted troops into it. There are lots of video clips of press gangs in Ukraine chasing fleeing suspects.

https://www.newsweek.com/dont-fooled-what-happened-severodonetsk-putin-losing-war-1715460 (https://www.newsweek.com/dont-fooled-what-happened-severodonetsk-putin-losing-war-1715460)
Putin Is Losing the War. Don't Be Fooled by What Happened in Severodonetsk
By William M. Arkin On 6/14/22 at 5:00 AM EDT
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 16, 2022, 01:43:04 PM
A link with links to supporting the existence of the US backed coup.
If you want good look into the history of the coup this is good.

https://theduran.com/have-europeans-been-profoundly-deceived/ (https://theduran.com/have-europeans-been-profoundly-deceived/)
Have Europeans been profoundly deceived?

by Eric Zuesse

Here is set of info I did not know
http://archive.is/7qPpt#selection-2371.458-3289.346 (http://archive.is/7qPpt#selection-2371.458-3289.346)
...
4: Now we know what Victoria Nuland was referring to when she said “F–k the EU!” Ashton and Paet are more concerned about the interests of their mega-investors than about the lives of any Ukrainians, but aren’t (as Nuland was) eager for Ukraine’s nazis to run that country and to become the people who would bring Ukraine into the EU. They don’t want that (they had had enough of Hitler, and also of Mussolini). Obama does: he craves Ukraine in NATO; that’s why he’s installing this government. That’s how right-wing our President is. And all of this happened barely two months after Nuland had told a group of extremist right-wingers, with proud satisfaction, that, “We have invested more than five billion dollars to help Ukraine to achieve these and other goals,” which she euphemistically called “democracy” (which Ukraine actually already had, before we took them over and placed nazis and other fascists in charge there, but which democracy Obama didn’t like there; so, he ended it and started his ethnic cleansing to get rid of the voters he didn’t want to be there; he used the local nazis to do precisely that; that’s why he chose them to rule).

Then, on May 1st of 2014, the IMF’s Christine Lagarde made clear that the IMF would halt the continuation of loans to Ukraine unless the Kiev government either killed or else expelled the independence-seeking residents in the southeastern half of Ukraine. From her standpoint, those people needed to be defeated, conquered, right away, because most of Ukraine’s industry and valuable properties are in the southeast, and the Obama-IMF plan was for the privatization of virtually everything in Ukraine, especially of those valuable properties in the southeast, in order to be able to repay Ukraine’s debts to western investors (after billions from those loans had already long-since been skimmed off by Ukraine’s ruling oligarchs and socked away into secret bank accounts in Switzerland and elsewhere — which is why those Ukrianian debts now were so large — but Christine Lagarde isn’t going after their bank accounts). Also, this fire-sale of those formerly state-owned properties would drive down the prices of them, and thus engender huge future investment-gains for the western aristocrats who would be buying them up.

This would be an operation to shove aside Russia’s oligarchs and the Russian government itself, which were Ukraine’s biggest creditors, to grab everything there, leaving nothing for the Russians — and totally stripping the Ukrainian government’s services (like health care, and road-maintenance) to the Ukrainian people, thus making Ukraine’s public the ultimate victims of the entire operation.

The day after that IMF warning, occurred the Kiev regime’s massacre of independence-supporters inside Odessa’s Trade Unions Building on May 2nd, run by Obama’s Ukrainian agents. This was the event that actually sparked Ukraine’s civil war, because it indicated to the people in the southeast: the Kiev government want to kill us. That civil war has been actually an ethnic-cleansing campaign against the residents in southeastern Ukraine, whom Obama and his hacks call “terrorists” in order to fool their believing suckers in the U.S. and rest of the West. Obama’s forces in Ukraine are not looking to win hearts and minds in the occupied areas, but instead to exterminate some so that the survivors will simply flee to Russia, where they can no longer vote in Ukrainian “elections.” On 13 July 2014, Britain’s Financial Times headlined from Slavyansk, “Bitter Residents of Slavyansk Pick Up Pieces of Shattered City,” and reported a typical resident saying:
“Nobody will tell you the truth now, it is dangerous,” she said. “But someone, someday, will pay for this.”


Pointing to a nearby building that had lost most of its façade, she said a rebel fighter’s wife had died there. “Do you think he shot at his home and killed his wife?” [She was mocking the West’s calling the residents there ‘terrorists,’ when it is actually Obama’s people who are terrorizing them, to flee.]
“About 20 per cent of our city feels liberated by the Ukrainian army. The rest [feel they] are now under occupation,” she added.

What Obama’s forces are doing there isn’t even intended to be any “liberation,” no more than Hitler was intending to “liberate” Belgium, or Poland, or France. It is sheer military domination. However, this time, instead of domination purely for theft and exploitation, it is being done also in order to drive the residents there out. Unlike the IMF and western investors, Obama also has a strictly military objective: to expel and/or kill the people in Ukraine’s southeast who were pro-Russian and who therefore opposed the building of NATO missile bases there, to be aimed against Moscow a mere ten-minute flight away from Russia’s nuclear annihilation. “Nuclear primacy” (replacing”MAD”) is a chief goal of this President, as it had been of his predecessors going back at least as far as Bill Clinton (and actually back to Ronald Reagan’s “Star Wars” program). Ukraine, right next door to Russia, is a key to their goal of, as Obama put it, “Here’s my bottom line: America must always lead on the world stage. If we don’t, no one else will.” Obama alleged: “Russia’s aggression toward former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe, while China’s economic rise and military reach worries its neighbors. From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us.” So, he phrases it as stopping “Russia’s aggression.” (Also note that he phrases our “competitors” as being “rising middle classes,” and not as being foreign aristocracies; and he is talking there at West Point, to the military, for whom “competitors” are actually the enemies. He’s telling West Pointers that they’re at war against “rising middle classes,” and not against foreign aristocracies — as they actually are.) Think what would have happened, then, if Khruschev had similarly said that he wanted Soviet nuclear missiles in Cuba in order to stop “American aggression.” We probably wouldn’t even be here to talk about it, because there would probably then have been a nuclear war; but it seems that Khruschev wasn’t as arrogant as is Obama. He was a lot more reasonable than is Obama. Times have certainly changed.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 19, 2022, 11:10:01 AM
Just pee in the river...

Think you can undo anybody's past blunders without paying a price?

Works for any side of this sh*tshow...

And, with the military failure in those provinces certain...it appears an idea I floated months ago is being tried...both GP & SONAR posting Larry Johnson article about Lithuania closing off Königsberg access by Russia...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/)

So it's Russia's "our products, our rules" (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-russias-new-rules) vs EU/NATO "their nations, their rules" clashing.

Wait...no clash really...this affect land access, which if I recall correctly rail traffic by far is the larger impact via the formerly agreed upon corridor...so sea access remains open...so, gain...not much of a test without a blockade at sea, is it?

But, expect much hand-ringing and chest-beating angst from the usual quarters.

Gonna have to find another method of getting WWIII started...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 19, 2022, 12:22:10 PM
USSR had tried to give it away once or twice.
What a complicated history.
Until WWII this Konigsberg area was almost all German. Konigsberg area was divided between Poland, Kaliningrad, and Lithuania.
BTW after WWII German speakers were forced out of many countries including this region, Czech, and Russia. I recall there had been autonomous German speaking cities deep inside Russia for a long time. Not sure when they ended.

https://youtu.be/b2f9Zf-MDtU

Why Does Russia Own This Old Piece of Germany?
Kaliningrad
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 19, 2022, 12:25:35 PM
https://t.me/RTnewsEU/4278
Minsk Agreements ‘Meant Nothing,’ Were Used to Buy Time – Ukraine's Fmr Pres

Petro Poroshenko admitted the 2015 ceasefire in Donbass, which he negotiated with Russia, France and Germany as president of Ukraine, was merely a distraction intended to buy time for Kiev to rebuild its military.

He made the comments in interviews with several news outlets this week, including Germany’s Deutsche Welle television and the Ukrainian branch of the US state-run Radio Free Europe.

“We had achieved everything we wanted,” he said of the peace deal. “Our goal was to, first, stop the threat, or at least to delay the war – to secure eight years to restore economic growth and create powerful armed forces.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 19, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
Just pee in the river...

Think you can undo anybody's past blunders without paying a price?

Works for any side of this sh*tshow...

And, with the military failure in those provinces certain...it appears an idea I floated months ago is being tried...both GP & SONAR posting Larry Johnson article about Lithuania closing off Königsberg access by Russia...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/breaking-lithuania-light-fuse-world-war-iii/)

So it's Russia's "our products, our rules" (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-russias-new-rules) vs EU/NATO "their nations, their rules" clashing.

Wait...no clash really...this affect land access, which if I recall correctly rail traffic by far is the larger impact via the formerly agreed upon corridor...so sea access remains open...so, gain...not much of a test without a blockade at sea, is it?

But, expect much hand-ringing and chest-beating angst from the usual quarters.

Gonna have to find another method of getting WWIII started...

I question the judgement of the Lithuanian govt in this blockade. Perhaps too many emotional women in govt. What is in it for Lithuania?  Is this the way NATO hopes to enter the war? Did NATO talk Lithuania into doing this?

Lithuania should remember that the US discards used allies like used condoms. The Russians will not forget this anytime soon. They will remember long after the US has forgotten about Lithuania.

Here is the way I look at this. Long ago when the USSR fell apart I was glad and thought the US would go home. When NATO advanced east I thought Russia would see this as a threat. I did not know 3 things. The US had made oral promises (written down by some) to not move NATO east. Every scholar, ambassador, statesman said/wrote that moving NATO east would threaten Russia and that Ukraine was a red line.

I look on NATO as I would  view the Warsaw pact moving up toward the US southern border. If they reached Mexico I  hope the US would pound them into last century. I do not blame Russia for doing the same in Ukraine. The US state dept knew how the Russians viewed NATO and Ukraine. Why the US acted to provoke war is concerning to me.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2022, 08:58:14 AM
When dealing with Marxist Dem's you have to remember they are still butthurt over the Soviets throwing in the towel...that really put a hiccup in their yearnings for socialism...and with Cucks, well, now we get to the second thing to remember...Marxist Dem's only interested in conflict if it enriches themselves and punishes their perceived enemies...and Cucks like conflicts for the same reasons but also like attempting nation-building when in the past the old guard conservatives did not, they would want to defeat the enemy and go back home (like you expected after the Soviets fell)...

But the Soviets fell on GHW Bush's watch...and being an ex-spook his Langley impulses came back...and he thought a soft partnership with the Russians was the clever approach...so yeah, stupid promises were made that were never meant to be kept...and succeeding morons followed the same script...

IMO on 3 realistic approaches at that time were possible - 1) Move in quickly on Eastern Europe with military/economic ties (basically a blitzkrieg of where NATO is now) or 2) Collapse NATO and go home (while having lease rights maintained in UK, Italy, Turkey for bases) and let Russia figure itself out or 3) Get cute and make nobody happy.  GHW Bush chose option 3.

As for the blockade...it's a half-blockade...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice)

Land only, rail...like I said.

Can provision by sea.

So, ball is in Russia's court...worth war or not?  Well, unless EC throws in the towel...

They are feckless Euro's after all...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 20, 2022, 12:08:14 PM
"If in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests," the statement reads.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice)

Wow, promised WWIII, given a boilerplate warning instead...

Somebody disappointed...

Not me...I hold most things in such low regard...its hard to be disappointed...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 20, 2022, 03:45:42 PM
"If in the near future cargo transit between the Kaliningrad region and the rest of the territory of the Russian Federation through Lithuania is not restored in full, then Russia reserves the right to take actions to protect its national interests," the statement reads.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-just-implemented-risky-anti-russia-measure-could-trigger-ww3-few-are-taking-notice)

Wow, promised WWIII, given a boilerplate warning instead...

Somebody disappointed...

Not me...I hold most things in such low regard...its hard to be disappointed...

 That port is ice free but St. Petersburg is not. So in winter things will get worse.
I continue to be amazed at how countries are not acting in their own self interest.
The EU shooting itself in both feet over Russian gas is the best example.
What is in it for Lithuania?
This is like blocking an easement to a neighboring house where that house is owned by the mafia.
BTW there is a clever commentator based in St. Petersburg. He is UK expat married to a Russian. Some IT developer guy.
He is very careful in what he believes. He has given a few walk and talk walks through different parts of St. Petersburg and surrounds. He said the Ukrainian officers were "calibrated."

Beautiful buildings. That is where some of the movie Reds was filmed.

https://youtu.be/jj4V96bOtUQ (https://youtu.be/jj4V96bOtUQ)
Putin Speech Impresses AMERICANS. Europe Burning WINTER Gas Reserves - Walkie Talkie Report



https://youtu.be/1Qd7iMfz21c (https://youtu.be/1Qd7iMfz21c)
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By closing its railway to Kaliningrad , Lithuania looses the last transportation fee/income it had after Belarus redirected all its cargo shipment to the Russian port near Sankt Petersborg.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 20, 2022, 04:27:32 PM

I do not ordinarily post all this telegram stuff but a couple things stuck out. One is a 2019 video of Zelensky promising war.
Ukraine has been complaining they lack artillery and rockets but they have been hitting the civilian areas of the Donbass the hardest they have in 8 years for several days now. Why not use it on Russian troops. instead?

This has been going on for 8 years but is more intense recently.

BTW the evidence of the civilian nature of the area includes: the location away from the front, the testimony of locals, and the video footage of the area. There is a huge amount of video footage taken over the last week by civilians.

This guy has lived in Donbass and reported on this for 8 years.


Huge crater
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/752 (https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/752)
#Breaking: Ukraine Purportedly fires US supplied HiMARS rocket on a civilian apartment building in Kuibishevsky Region Donetsk. Many civilians injured.
My full report coming soon. Comment what you think and how this can be solved below. Also Please support our work by donating just 5$ on https://www.buymeacoffee.com/PLnewstoday (https://www.buymeacoffee.com/PLnewstoday)

another view
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1769 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1769)
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1770 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1770)
Looks to me like the most likely origin of the strikes is Krasnoarmeysk (Pokrovsk), just doing some back of the napkin calculations and looking at the damage to the building and where the green zone is relative to the apartment building. Something was hit deeper into the urban area, likely this particular missile just did not make it far enough.

My bet is that some Ukrainian Nazi terrorists got themselves a few HIMARS and decided to test them out on civilians, and just aimed them at Kuybyshevsky district of Donetsk, not necessarily aiming at anything in particular in the last third of the range.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1771 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/1771)
PS. Just like any MLRS, M142 HIMARS are not designed for precision strikes on specific targets. Like any MLRS, they are intended to be used on wide areas, against concentrations of the opponent’s personnel and equipment. Which is the reason why using MLRS against urban areas—whatever the hoped-for outcome—is inevitably a war crime. It’s meant to cause widespread damage, not surgical elimination of specific targets

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/418 (https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/418)
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/1585
Vladimir Zelensky's first press conference on October 11, 2019 [promising war]



More video of the recent attacks on the civilian areas on Donetsk city.
https://youtu.be/TLXR6pXrzBI (https://youtu.be/TLXR6pXrzBI)
https://youtu.be/n82hgiQN97o (https://youtu.be/n82hgiQN97o)

He gets under intense shelling and runs to the basement of a plant that makes mine safety equipment.
https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc (https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc)

Sweet moment at 25 min.
https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc?t=1505 (https://youtu.be/vDt5dTdMbJc?t=1505)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
Wow...hard to root for a winner or loser in this retarded game...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-st-petersburg-sets-stage-war-economic-corridors (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-st-petersburg-sets-stage-war-economic-corridors)

...but I think the safe prediction is everybody loses...

...a partitioning of the world will only reshuffle the deck, it won't solve deficiencies and fill gaps...it won't end jealousies and greed...it will amplify all the above and make global conflict certain instead of likely...

But Rubicon's started getting crossed over a hundred years ago...take a miracle to halt any part of it now...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 22, 2022, 04:35:31 PM
The gas cut off is just speculation, I hope.
Another example of a country's leader acting to harm them. This is not good for Lithuania.
Also, the leader of Bulgaria ended Russian gas and now be on the way out.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1948
Lithuania may cut off the gas supply to Kaliningrad.

The Baltic Republic is playing with fire, trying to block the Russian region, writes the Croatian edition of Advance.

Vilnius presents what is happening as the fulfillment of EU sanctions, but Moscow regards the blockade of Kaliningrad as an anti-Russian step by Lithuania.

"Does NATO membership instill sufficient confidence in Lithuania?" the journalists ask.

Now, if Vilnius continues this policy, it may try to block the Minsk—Vilnius—Kaunas—Kaliningrad gas pipeline.


On June 17, the Lithuanian authorities banned the delivery of "sanctioned" goods to the Kaliningrad region — about 50% of all cargo going to the region.



https://theduran.com/lithuania-is-living-dangerously-angering-china-and-russia/
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/6099
ZradaXXII, [6/22/2022 8:53 AM]
[Forwarded from Anti-Ukrainian Coalition ZOV]
Little fact about Lithuania. It considers the time under USSR as an illegitimate occupation. Thus, legally, the lands it got under ussr (including its capital Vilnius (Vilnya)) are no longer Lithuanian either. But Russia and Lithuania signed a treaty in 2004, stating that Russia, as a legal successor state to the USSR, recognizes Lithuanian borders as long as there is free access to Kaliningrad. Now Lithuania breached its agreement, meaning Lithuania will lose Klaipeda region, which was transferred from Germany to USSR according to Potsdam conference, and also they will lose Vilnya, which was transferred from Poland to first Belarus, and only then given to Lithuania by Stalin.

So yeah, after all, perhaps Soviet occupation wasn’t too bad compared to what may happen next to them
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on June 22, 2022, 07:34:12 PM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know. (https://www.the-sun.com/health/5615177/first-outbreak-highly-infectious-polio-uk-signs/)

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.

(https://teamlegionnaire.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/polio.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on June 22, 2022, 09:14:17 PM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know. (https://www.the-sun.com/health/5615177/first-outbreak-highly-infectious-polio-uk-signs/)

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.

(https://teamlegionnaire.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/polio.png)

No new info there, except they're touting three shots instead of the one I got as a child.

I'm calling BS.  The "eggsperts" are also claiming those from turd-world countries -- middle East -- are those showing symptoms because "they haven't been fully vaccinated".
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 23, 2022, 08:37:22 AM
We attended a presentation by Dr. Tau Braun this evening that indicated that the NEXT #plandemic under gain-of-function manipulation in the Ukrainian bio-labs was to be Polio.

Putin's priorities, thus, work to everyone's benefit.

Most of us are already vaccinated against polio.  Will that not provide protection?

VIRAL FEARS First outbreak of highly infectious polio detected in UK since 1984 – the 6 signs to know. (https://www.the-sun.com/health/5615177/first-outbreak-highly-infectious-polio-uk-signs/)

Probably a coincidence . . . yeah.

(https://teamlegionnaire.files.wordpress.com/2022/06/polio.png)

No new info there, except they're touting three shots instead of the one I got as a child.

I'm calling BS.  The "eggsperts" are also claiming those from turd-world countries -- middle East -- are those showing symptoms because "they haven't been fully vaccinated".

Yeah uhh, no,  They can eat their shots!   ::vafancoul::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 23, 2022, 08:41:09 AM
The gas cut off is just speculation, I hope.
Another example of a country's leader acting to harm them. This is not good for Lithuania.
Also, the leader of Bulgaria ended Russian gas and now be on the way out.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/1948
Lithuania may cut off the gas supply to Kaliningrad.

The Baltic Republic is playing with fire, trying to block the Russian region, writes the Croatian edition of Advance.

Vilnius presents what is happening as the fulfillment of EU sanctions, but Moscow regards the blockade of Kaliningrad as an anti-Russian step by Lithuania.

"Does NATO membership instill sufficient confidence in Lithuania?" the journalists ask.

Now, if Vilnius continues this policy, it may try to block the Minsk—Vilnius—Kaunas—Kaliningrad gas pipeline.


On June 17, the Lithuanian authorities banned the delivery of "sanctioned" goods to the Kaliningrad region — about 50% of all cargo going to the region.



https://theduran.com/lithuania-is-living-dangerously-angering-china-and-russia/
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/6099
ZradaXXII, [6/22/2022 8:53 AM]
[Forwarded from Anti-Ukrainian Coalition ZOV]
Little fact about Lithuania. It considers the time under USSR as an illegitimate occupation. Thus, legally, the lands it got under ussr (including its capital Vilnius (Vilnya)) are no longer Lithuanian either. But Russia and Lithuania signed a treaty in 2004, stating that Russia, as a legal successor state to the USSR, recognizes Lithuanian borders as long as there is free access to Kaliningrad. Now Lithuania breached its agreement, meaning Lithuania will lose Klaipeda region, which was transferred from Germany to USSR according to Potsdam conference, and also they will lose Vilnya, which was transferred from Poland to first Belarus, and only then given to Lithuania by Stalin.

So yeah, after all, perhaps Soviet occupation wasn’t too bad compared to what may happen next to them

Uhh huh, well...as always...history did not begin in 1917...so, ahh...that logic is DOA.

Frankly, there is no interest on any side of getting along...so, just enjoy the circus...   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 23, 2022, 05:48:54 PM

Interesting site

https://thesaker.is/a-quick-update-from-andrei-with-a-few-notes/

A quick update from Andrei, with a few additional notes
14379 Views June 23, 2022
...

    In the meantime the Euroukrainians are now planning to ban and destroy over 100’000’000 copies of Russian language books.  Hitler would be proud.  The Eurolemmings have nothing to say.  You know, “#cancelRussia” thingie (meaning both Russians themselves and the Russian culture in all its forms) and all that “it’s okay when we do it” or “our SOBs” stuff.
    The Western economic Blitzkrieg against Russia has totally failed and the joke in Russia is that while McCain famously once said that “Russia is a gas station masquerading as a country” with contempt, “Biden” is now saying the same thing, but with deep envy :-)

Translation: for our Fatherland

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is this: the West has declared total war on Russia (and, de facto, to all of Zone B) and Russia has accepted this.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 23, 2022, 05:54:34 PM

I take the survey on moving to Russia with a grain of salt but still interesting.
This guy works in IT/gaming and is UK expat who moved to St. Petersburg. Married to Russian.

https://youtu.be/hlU6cd_tkrA
 Russia claims 8 out of 10 of UK Citizens Want To MOVE TO RUSSIA
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2022, 11:21:54 AM
The Saker is one among many who have been heavily linked by ZeroHedge over the years with an obvious Russophile bias I got bored with many years ago...I would routinely torture the Cult of Vlad...always the same with those clowns - Russia is perfect, Vlad is the smartest, toughest sexiest man on the planet...the West is (especially America) evil, selfish and the source of every ill on the planet.  Yeah, sure...  I tried using reason, explaining no place, no leader is free of vice, free of bias or free of corruption...no nation is safer than another in a world gone mad...like DemCom's when they cannot admit even simple obvious truths, they resort to the name calling...  People can quibble on the edges but I see zero evidence after many decades to alter my opinion.  Once, in a nominal sense when it was America and Europe and "freedom" vs The Red Menace of the Soviets and their occupation allies, Mao's China, North Vietnam, North Korea and Cuba's "totalitarianism" there was an obvious "rather be here than there" paradigm of human choice...now, the consequences of corruption in the numerous warnings of Our Founders has come to fruition and America is moving more into totalitarianism, Europe who has always had a significant socialist malignancy within it is moving more totalitarian...the Chi-Com's have never moved off totalitarianism...Australia and New Zealand as seen in the plandemic are eagerly totalitarian...and while many may not agree post-Soviet Russia is still totalitarian: they've all but banned political opposition, imprisoned its most potent political rival on BS, and tolerates opposition as long as it knows its subservient role, enjoys censorship to control national narrative...sound familiar?  It's what the DemCom's are trying and want here - Russiagate, 2 bogus impeachments, Jan6 kangaroo court, BigBroTech censorship, corrupt elections...America in many respects under the DemCom's and controlled-opposition McConnell Cucks are trying to catch up where everybody else is...

The way things are going...the character DJ's credos of "it's all a machine" and "live free, don't join" may be wise, for in our real life drama unfolding before our eyes...I do not believe there is a "good" state to join...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

...in a nation state perspective that is...

...the only "good" I see is us, we who believe in Founding Principles, God-given rights to Life and Liberty....

...apart from us is only "the machine"...


As for St.Petersburg...hilarious...the one Russian city whose citizens have always yearned to be more European regardless what maniac in Moscow lorded over them!  In my ZH teasing days my Russian girlfriend was from there, very cosmopolitan...

 ::hysterical::

Want to see the real and depressing Russia...go inland!  Limey's like the idea of Russia not the reality!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2022, 01:12:13 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-nato-appear-be-forming-bloc-war-against-russia-lavrov (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-nato-appear-be-forming-bloc-war-against-russia-lavrov)

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-us-long-range-rocket-systems-used-first-time-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-us-long-range-rocket-systems-used-first-time-ukraine)

Yeah...it's soooo infuriating when wars are begun and players refuse to respect each others ideas of the rules to play by!  Man, is that an unexpected spanner in the works or what?!

 ::creepycryingbaby::

But, in some positive news...on the energy/economy front...Germans are proving to be more pragmatic than their more radically totalitarian kin in America...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/23/german-economic-minister-announces-restart-of-coal-power-plants-for-electricity-due-to-nato-sanctions-and-german-dependence-on-russian-oil-and-gas/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/23/german-economic-minister-announces-restart-of-coal-power-plants-for-electricity-due-to-nato-sanctions-and-german-dependence-on-russian-oil-and-gas/)

Proving the illegitimate occupation government in America truly hates carbon-based people as much as carbon-based energy...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 24, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
...

The way things are going...the character DJ's credos of "it's all a machine" and "live free, don't join" may be wise, for in our real life drama unfolding before our eyes...I do not believe there is a "good" state to join...

https://youtu.be/NwYnbwQ0kv4

...in a nation state perspective that is...

...the only "good" I see is us, we who believe in Founding Principles, God-given rights to Life and Liberty....

...apart from us is only "the machine"...


As for St.Petersburg...hilarious...the one Russian city whose citizens have always yearned to be more European regardless what maniac in Moscow lorded over them!  In my ZH teasing days my Russian girlfriend was from there, very cosmopolitan...

 ::hysterical::

Want to see the real and depressing Russia...go inland!  Limey's like the idea of Russia not the reality!

There were some soccer matches in Russia and many in UK went and were shocked at how nice it was. It did not match the news reports. That was maybe 5 years ago.

I do not know much about the saker.
Putin is from St. Petersburg so many Russians view him as too European and a softy. Then he became a lawyer and lived in East Berlin, not Moscow. Berlin has always had a decadent reputation. Another piece of evidence.

There are some reality YT channels of some Australian farmers who moved to Russia. Many westerners report that Moscow has changed for the better in a huge way in the past 10 or 20 years.

Rural Russian isolated villages are pretty depressing.

Parts of Reds was filmed in St. Petersburg. FYI the movie starts out with an idealistic journalist and the romance of communism. It ends with him looking foolish and only his  wife making any sense. If a person can listen it is not a pro communist movie. There is some very subtle anti communist dialogue early on and it takes over at the end.
https://youtu.be/c13q2wYZr_0?t=74
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 24, 2022, 06:10:58 PM
Bastard.

https://www.rt.com/business/557729-gas-shortage-industry-halt-germany/ (https://www.rt.com/business/557729-gas-shortage-industry-halt-germany/)
 Germany warns entire industries could stop due to gas shortage
The stoppage could be for a prolonged period, according Economy Minister Robert Habeck
Germany warns entire industries could stop due to gas shortage
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Germany could be forced to close down entire industrial sectors if there is a nationwide natural gas shortage, Economy Minister Robert Habeck told Der Spiegel on Friday.

“All factory activities will be suspended. It will be a disaster for some industries. And we are not talking about two days or weeks, but about a long time. We are talking about people, who will lose their jobs and regions that will lose entire industrial complexes,” Habeck said.

The minister insisted, however, that Germans are united in the face of these difficulties, support anti-Russia sanctions, and are ready to endure some degree of hardship.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 25, 2022, 12:01:38 PM
Yeah, lets see how that works out...

 ::viking::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2022, 11:04:02 AM
So, the EU said that the sanctions did not cover transit of good from Russia to Russian Kaliningrad. The Lithuanian president said they would block the goods anyway.
https://youtu.be/-bHMBkz_Xfs

 Lithuania, NO corridors to Kaliningrad. Tactical retreat. Nukes for Lukashenko. Update 1
11,824 views  Jun 26, 2022

Also, there were 800 civilians in the Azot plant according to the Russian MOD.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2022, 09:07:23 AM
Not gonna bust Lithuania's balls...or any balls formerly in the vice of Soviet Russians...having said that, surprised such blatant defiance of central Euro power is not being punished...those clowns love to try to mess with Orban to no avail...perhaps more are feeling their sovereignty needs trump centralized dictates...IMO this overall is a good trend if it grows and holds...

And Russia is not hampered by air or sea...so Ivan needs to suck it up...

As for Belarus...well, Ukraine is accusing them of provoking them into retaliation as many of the 60+ missiles lobbed at them came from Belarus territory...and if the Russians want a nuclear exchange, basing nukes in Belarus is one way to go about it...

But I hear the Emperor was rushed to Moscow from some villa or other...rumors are rife he is dying of cancer...and just like Soviet days nobody in government says squat...to speak to outsiders about such things is how your body is discovered in the words...

But, at least Putin can be reasoned with...not that you will always be successful...but at least there is a chance...if Nikolai Patrushev succeeds him though...I think Russia gets a lot more nasty...and the world a lot bloodier...

Ah well, whatever...not our problem no matter what...who listens to us?

Oh, speaking of stupid...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biden-g-7-will-ban-russian-gold-imports (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/biden-g-7-will-ban-russian-gold-imports)

Yes...acquiring tangible value for fiat...that must be stopped at all costs!   ::hysterical::

 ::bus::

And, not that I care, but...

 prominent country that has not yet paid is the United States, causing a chunk of $693 million to be still missing from the UN's budget. In 2019, non-payment from the U.S. and other had caused the organization to almost run out of funds. Contributions from Brazil, China, Russia, Indonesia, Mexico and Saudi Arabia, among others, also remain unpaid in 2022.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/disunited-nations-who-has-hasnt-paid-their-dues (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/disunited-nations-who-has-hasnt-paid-their-dues)

...it's a simple solution...private groups do it all the time...no pay, no vote...

I wish all didn't pay and it folded...but, again...when do we ever get what's right?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2022, 12:00:03 PM
Total clown show on all sides...

Russia defaults...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions)

...due to sanctions that hurt us more than them...

HIMARS not enough...gotta double the 50mi range to 100mi with NASMAS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-readies-longer-range-missile-defense-system-ukraine-g7-hikes-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-readies-longer-range-missile-defense-system-ukraine-g7-hikes-sanctions)

...which ups the violence level a little...

And makes sense given this - https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/understanding-ny-times-article-cia-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/understanding-ny-times-article-cia-ukraine/)

...not hard to learn how to set these up and fire them.

...but this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-hit-major-cyberattack-russian-group-warns-more-until-kaliningrad-blockade (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-hit-major-cyberattack-russian-group-warns-more-until-kaliningrad-blockade)

...seems a bit of a candy-ass move...

Cyber attacks?  Uhh, oookay...  ::)

And this looks unenforceable...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/g7-set-impose-price-caps-russian-oil-unclear-what-actually-achieves (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/g7-set-impose-price-caps-russian-oil-unclear-what-actually-achieves)

...they going to board all those ships hooking up out there doing transfers at sea?

With everything going monkeycrap (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,7154.new.html#new) and people busy with their rage du juor and hissy fits...few are probably aware of what is going on outside their limited bubble...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 27, 2022, 07:32:08 PM
Total clown show on all sides...

Russia defaults...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions)

...due to sanctions that hurt us more than them...
...

Law suits from US bond holders expected.

Also, how do you identify Russian gold after it leaves the country? 
A major increase in Indian gold sales expected. With a slight mark up.

Also
Russia says it will deposit rubles into a Gazprom account for bond holders and let them withdraw it in the currency of their choice.
What then?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 28, 2022, 08:19:20 AM
Total clown show on all sides...

Russia defaults...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-defaults-foreign-debt-first-time-bolshevik-revolution-amid-western-sanctions)

...due to sanctions that hurt us more than them...
...

Law suits from US bond holders expected.

Also, how do you identify Russian gold after it leaves the country? 
A major increase in Indian gold sales expected. With a slight mark up.

Also
Russia says it will deposit rubles into a Gazprom account for bond holders and let them withdraw it in the currency of their choice.
What then?

On the sanctioned list...won't be able to withdraw squat...

Gold is a no-brainer...even if state/mint stamped...remove the stamp...provenance cured.

Meanwhile, both "sides" are holding hands and strengthening ties...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/brics-summit-reaffirms-russia-not-isolated-nato-suggests (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/brics-summit-reaffirms-russia-not-isolated-nato-suggests)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/27/global-energy-cleaving-continues-iran-and-argentina-apply-to-join-brics-economic-partnership/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/27/global-energy-cleaving-continues-iran-and-argentina-apply-to-join-brics-economic-partnership/)

Swell, might as well get North Korea, Cuba, Afghanistan, Pakistan & Pali's too. 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-drastically-increase-high-readiness-forces-well-over-300000 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-drastically-increase-high-readiness-forces-well-over-300000)

40k to 300k...best get crackin'! 

Yeah, meanwhile with energy and food collapsing and economies on a death march...everybody will be fighting for scraps, firewood...bugs...

And the elite will be living like king's in protected sanctuaries...

 ::whatgives::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2022, 12:08:13 PM

The clowns are trying new sanctions. A price cap on Russian oil.
Good luck with that.
https://youtu.be/KSsTZVXgpoU
 G7 banning gold and capping oil price. BRICS on the rise
14,064 views  Jun 28, 2022  G7 banning gold and capping oil price. BRICS on the rise…
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2022, 03:28:07 PM

The thought process of the US govt is beyond stupid.
1. The US govt knew that Kiev was going to attack around March. They had massed forces on the Donbass conflict line and had greatly increased shelling in preparation. They likely had other intelligence.
2. The US govt knew that Russian forces were grouped along the Ukr border in various locations.
3. The US govt knew that if Kiev attacked the Donbass Russia would counter attack.

The US did nothing to prevent this. They wanted war. Why?
Perhaps they had war gamed this to the point where there was war, the West sanctioned Russia, the Russian ruble and economy collapsed, and Putin was replaced. Just brilliant. /s

Plus former Ukr president Poreshenko recently said that the Minsk agreements were just to buy time to build up the army and dig in. He said there was never any attention to implement Minsk. The only lesson to be taken away from this by Russia is that diplomacy without military facts on the ground  is pointless.

Talking heads said that the US govt is split into 3 camps.
The Fed wants immediate end to US financial aid to Ukr.
The DOD wants an off ramp.
The State dept wants endless war.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2022, 05:49:46 PM
For whatever it's worth ....I am not saying this is the truth
Here is the Russian version of the shopping center rocket hit. They say it is next to two military targets. They also note the mostly empty parking lot so 1000 people inside not likely. Perhaps not even open. Reports it was closed. Also why no women and children in the videos but many men. Some in uniform.Drone footage shows the fire came from behind the shopping center. Online reviews stopped 4 months ago for all stores.


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/2304
Fake: The Russian military shelled the Amstor shopping center in Kremenchug. This was announced by the President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky.

Truth: The Amstor shopping center is located next to the Kremenchug road machinery plant and the Kremenchug railway station. In one of the videos, it seems to people that the rocket hit the plant (the phrase “Dormash, Dormash”). In addition, according to sources familiar with the course of the special operation, the Amstor shopping center was used as a warehouse for storing military equipment, just like the Retroville shopping center in Kiev.

https://youtu.be/zbeVuI0M_XE

What REALLY Happened At Kremenchuk? - Inside Russia Report
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The shopping centre is called Amstor. If you look at their Facebook page, there is nothing (absolutely nothing) after February 23. Before that the page was regularly updated. Leads me to believe that it was closed. Even prior to that the shopping mall was closed for periods of time due to sagging roof (too much snow) and other issues. It was all in local publics.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2022, 08:51:45 AM
Underdogs facing a more professional and better armed, equipped and led force almost always are forced to unconventional tactics and use whatever they can however they can...nothing new there...

And piggybacking on the FWIW/possibly true note...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-elite-unit-claims-sabotage-ops-inside-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-elite-unit-claims-sabotage-ops-inside-russia)

Has been other evidence of behind the lines raids...and if they are admitting their casualties are at least 50%...chances are they are probably closer to 75%...

And this is way over on the what used to be Russia proper side of the pond...

(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/Snag_1cefd92e.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/naval-mine-found-russias-cpcs-black-sea-terminal (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/naval-mine-found-russias-cpcs-black-sea-terminal)

WWII mine...discovered by a pier...just now...

Yeaaaah....uhh hiuh...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2022, 09:22:13 AM
The mines placed by Kiev govt were very old. Ukr TV showed soldiers deactivting one on an Odessa beach. The lettering on the mine was blurred out because Kiev wanted to claim it was a Russian mine. Turkey complained because several Ukr mines wandered into Turkish waters.
 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2022, 11:40:53 AM
Must admit I am not impressed with Russian naval capability if a mine of any age can end up on their doorstep...

Lost their pride of the Black Sea too...

In other news - more targets coming...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/)

Who wants to die for no good reason, step forward.  Ha, just teasing...you poor bastards have no choice!  Ha haa haaaa!

 :o

Time to GTFO...

 ::exitstageleft::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2022, 02:00:04 PM
Must admit I am not impressed with Russian naval capability if a mine of any age can end up on their doorstep...

Lost their pride of the Black Sea too...

In other news - more targets coming...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/)

Who wants to die for no good reason, step forward.  Ha, just teasing...you poor bastards have no choice!  Ha haa haaaa!

 :o

Time to GTFO...

 ::exitstageleft::
Some Ukr mines broke lose and floated around.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2022, 03:06:29 PM
Must admit I am not impressed with Russian naval capability if a mine of any age can end up on their doorstep...

Lost their pride of the Black Sea too...

In other news - more targets coming...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/nato-announces-will-move-troops-western-border-ukraine-developments/)

Who wants to die for no good reason, step forward.  Ha, just teasing...you poor bastards have no choice!  Ha haa haaaa!

 :o

Time to GTFO...

 ::exitstageleft::
Some Ukr mines broke lose and floated around.

(https://images3.imgbox.com/6c/28/3wgxF5Vg_o.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2022, 09:38:41 AM
OK, looks like everything is going to Hell in a handbasket...

As expected, the puppet JoeFraud imitated his Veep and grabbed his ankles to get Erdogan to sign off on the Swedes and Finns joining NATO...

On Tuesday of this week Turkey removed their block of Sweden and Finland from joining NATO, and on Wednesday Joe Biden agreed to sell Turkey 40 Lockheed Martin-made F-16 fighters and nearly 80 modernization kits for its existing warplanes.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/29/turkey-drops-opposition-to-sweden-and-finland-joining-nato-biden-approves-f-16-sales-to-turkey/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/29/turkey-drops-opposition-to-sweden-and-finland-joining-nato-biden-approves-f-16-sales-to-turkey/)

The UKR destroyed grains is a nice compliment on the mass insanity affecting the entire globe right now.

It appears the easily predicted failures of Cultural Marxism and the Cult of Gaia cannot be laid at those foundations when such a fat ripe target like Russia sits there to take the blame.  I am not disagreeing with Sundance at all, food shortages have already been blamed on Russia...when have Marxists ever stopped pushing all-in with their unsane BS?!  (crickets)  My point has always been that Russia has never positioned itself to refuse the bait tossed at them.  It goes back to all that Russian fatalism and bi-polar angst over being Western or Eastern and the fragile ego hard-wired into every generation since the Kievian Rus conquered the steppes.  I never bought into the Cult of Vlad being the master of 4D chess and all that strong man cult of personality bullsh*t.  Only the lazy and gullible buy into such dreck!  Vlad had an opportunity to forge something with America when Trump was in power...Ukraine, NATO, Iran, trade, banking...all of it could have been rolled up into a grand package...had Vlad lived up to his hype as Grandmaster of 4D chess.  Instead, he took a hardline, obsessed over agreements broken by one party and ignored breaches of others by himself, he willingly backed himself into a corner and took the Ukrainian bait instead of staying with economic coercion that was the hallmark of foreign policy regarding all of Europe from Day One.  He bears some, not all, but significant responsibility for missteps he has made.  As the saying goes, takes two to tango.  He chose to dance.

Now, sh*t is getting worse and the causes belli is written by his foes.  And make no mistake, they were our foes before his.  We got screwed over, a coup was thrown and nobody gave a f**k.  It would be nice if he and his countrymen, especially those in government and the military realize we are not the enemy...the DeepState assclowns and their puppets are.  I don't want to be slaughtered in their war, none of us do.

In slightly positive news, looks like Euro's are departing from a hardline stance on Konigsberg...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-quickly-backing-hardline-kaliningrad-standoff-russia-stations-new-missiles-baltic (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-quickly-backing-hardline-kaliningrad-standoff-russia-stations-new-missiles-baltic)

But NATO expansion in Scandinavia is sealed, those 300k troops on the border are desired (more on that below) and NATO will also have to reinforce the Baltics and their new partners if they are serious about WWIII.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/empire-expand-nato-response-war-caused-nato-expansion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/empire-expand-nato-response-war-caused-nato-expansion)

(http://A NATO and western alliance war with Russia is not a matter of “if“, it is now a question of when?)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/29/deafening-drumbeats-for-war-biden-sends-more-u-s-troops-to-ukraine-border-101st-airborne-deployed-six-destroyers-to-mediterranean-f-35-squadrons-to-u-k/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/29/deafening-drumbeats-for-war-biden-sends-more-u-s-troops-to-ukraine-border-101st-airborne-deployed-six-destroyers-to-mediterranean-f-35-squadrons-to-u-k/)

The DeepState/Marxist lust for war at any cost is overriding any vestige of sanity left in these fools...the Russians are played into a trap where they are the villain...and the entire globe will suffer.

Doesn't get any suckier than this...   ::outrage::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 30, 2022, 10:15:26 AM
Lot of heavy-lift activity in US especially on East coast and in Europe...fighters on Moldova/Romania border and Belarus border...and interestingly Syria...

The cross-pond traffic is only going to rise in tempo...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQyIqYUuEVE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQyIqYUuEVE)

Jeez, a report that DoD is so needy they are dropping HS diploma requirement...I missed that earlier...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/us-army-drops-high-school-diploma-requirement-military-struggles-challenging-recruiting-year-ever/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/06/us-army-drops-high-school-diploma-requirement-military-struggles-challenging-recruiting-year-ever/)

...not even the crap Carter years did that...and if forced to go to a draft...morale and strife in the ranks and nation is going to stink...this is a desperate move in a bad direction that Monkey is correct is a clear indication of an insane rush to war...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 01, 2022, 08:44:04 AM
I'd say the Poles are smart to do this, regardless of the spin...the Euro's been perpetrating weaponized migration on their citizens and just a few nations, notably in the East like Hungary and Poland are tired of it...bad enough to get it from a sh*thole like Belarus...worse to get it from so-called allies...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-completes-belarus-border-wall-repel-middle-east-and-african-migrants (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-completes-belarus-border-wall-repel-middle-east-and-african-migrants)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2022, 11:07:32 AM
Another front with a NATO ally...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/norway-russia-tensions-escalate-over-sanctions-impacting-arctic-islands (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/norway-russia-tensions-escalate-over-sanctions-impacting-arctic-islands)

Well, the "Libertarian" posting this article is a self-admitted "anti-war" guy...so of the Code Pink wing of the PaulBot segment who have a hands off everybody approach...I reckon it will be good sport seeing this poor fellow twist in agony if it comes to blows...why can't the two just realize violence is not the answer?

 ::stirpot::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2022, 09:19:46 AM
Lukashenko is a batshyt-crazy asshole...Poland isn't doing anything but making sure no more invaders enter their nation, period.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-threatens-strike-poland-instance-further-provocations (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-threatens-strike-poland-instance-further-provocations)

They got some guard towers along the wall they put up?  Poles should moon them, broadcast taunts...tell them to piss off.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 12, 2022, 09:44:12 AM
Seems the HIMARS and targeting Russian ammo dumps is the strategy du juor...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg)

https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/12/Explosion-Ukraine.jpg (https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/12/Explosion-Ukraine.jpg)

H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 13, 2022, 03:01:19 PM
Seems the HIMARS and targeting Russian ammo dumps is the strategy du juor...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/HIMARS_-_missile_launched.jpg)

https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/12/Explosion-Ukraine.jpg (https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2022/07/12/Explosion-Ukraine.jpg)

H/T-CTH

The local mayor says it was a saltpeter storage warehouse that got hit.
Who knows.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 13, 2022, 03:07:30 PM

Alex got banned from youtube for 1 week for a 1 1/2 year old video where he apparently mocked the Army using a book on the 7 elements of Satanism to justify the vax. They call it medical misinformation.

https://rumble.com/v1bz9r9-liz-truss-wants-toLiz Truss wants to be Prime Minister. Kaliningrad escalation. Macron, Uber corruption. Update 1
Alex Christoforou
Published July 12, 2022 -be-prime-minister.-kaliningrad-escalation.-macron-uber-c.html

Alex says that Lithuania will double down on the blockade of goods from Russia proper to Kaliningrad.
The other Baltics might join in?

I recall Hitler used some refusal to allow access to a German city in Poland as the reason to invade Poland.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 13, 2022, 03:39:51 PM
The EU leaders do not care about their own citizens. They are destroying their own economies in part to harm Russia a little. Canada could have destroyed the German economy with their stunt.

This is a combination of errors.
1. Rely on wind and solar.
2. Switch from coal to gas.
3. Buy gas on the spot market.
4. Do nothing for weeks while Canada sits on the turbines reducing NS1 flow by 40%.
5. Do nothing when Ukraine shuts down the northern pipeline to spite Donbass, reducing German gas by 1/3.
6. Refuse to open NS2.
7. Fail to build any southern pipelines.
8. Shut down nuclear plants.

They are committing suicide.

Also
https://rumble.com/v1c4ben-eu-turning-into-economic-backwater.-germany-closing-down.html (https://rumble.com/v1c4ben-eu-turning-into-economic-backwater.-germany-closing-down.html)
EU turning into economic backwater. Germany closing down
The Duran
Published July 13, 2022

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985)
JUST IN - Russia's Gazprom cannot guarantee the operation of the Nord Stream 1 natural gas pipeline to Germany anymore.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/majority-europeans-unwilling-pay-price-defend-democracy-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/majority-europeans-unwilling-pay-price-defend-democracy-ukraine)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 13, 2022, 05:15:28 PM

Alex got banned from youtube for 1 week for a 1 1/2 year old video where he apparently mocked the Army using a book on the 7 elements of Satanism to justify the vax. They call it medical misinformation.

https://rumble.com/v1bz9r9-liz-truss-wants-toLiz Truss wants to be Prime Minister. Kaliningrad escalation. Macron, Uber corruption. Update 1
Alex Christoforou
Published July 12, 2022 -be-prime-minister.-kaliningrad-escalation.-macron-uber-c.html

Alex says that Lithuania will double down on the blockade of goods from Russia proper to Kaliningrad.
The other Baltics might join in?


I recall Hitler used some refusal to allow access to a German city in Poland as the reason to invade Poland.

Alexander says the Kaliningrad issue is solved to Russia's satisfcation.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2022, 08:49:45 AM

Alex got banned from youtube for 1 week for a 1 1/2 year old video where he apparently mocked the Army using a book on the 7 elements of Satanism to justify the vax. They call it medical misinformation.

https://rumble.com/v1bz9r9-liz-truss-wants-toLiz (https://rumble.com/v1bz9r9-liz-truss-wants-toLiz) Truss wants to be Prime Minister. Kaliningrad escalation. Macron, Uber corruption. Update 1
Alex Christoforou
Published July 12, 2022 -be-prime-minister.-kaliningrad-escalation.-macron-uber-c.html

Alex says that Lithuania will double down on the blockade of goods from Russia proper to Kaliningrad.
The other Baltics might join in?

I recall Hitler used some refusal to allow access to a German city in Poland as the reason to invade Poland.

Appears a EU overruled Lithuania and the choo-choo's can once again roll along...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-allow-rail-transit-russian-goods-after-eu-reaches-compromise-kaliningrad (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-allow-rail-transit-russian-goods-after-eu-reaches-compromise-kaliningrad)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2022, 08:51:27 AM
The EU leaders do not care about their own citizens. They are destroying their own economies in part to harm Russia a little. Canada could have destroyed the German economy with their stunt.

This is a combination of errors.
1. Rely on wind and solar.
2. Switch from coal to gas.
3. Buy gas on the spot market.
4. Do nothing for weeks while Canada sits on the turbines reducing NS1 flow by 40%.
5. Do nothing when Ukraine shuts down the northern pipeline to spite Donbass, reducing German gas by 1/3.
6. Refuse to open NS2.
7. Fail to build any southern pipelines.
8. Shut down nuclear plants.

They are committing suicide.

Also
https://rumble.com/v1c4ben-eu-turning-into-economic-backwater.-germany-closing-down.html (https://rumble.com/v1c4ben-eu-turning-into-economic-backwater.-germany-closing-down.html)
EU turning into economic backwater. Germany closing down
The Duran
Published July 13, 2022

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985 (https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1547234334830206985)
JUST IN - Russia's Gazprom cannot guarantee the operation of the Nord Stream 1 natural gas pipeline to Germany anymore.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FXjg1V8XwAAAaai?format=png&name=small)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/majority-europeans-unwilling-pay-price-defend-democracy-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/majority-europeans-unwilling-pay-price-defend-democracy-ukraine)

Screw the Euro's

https://youtu.be/Swvf3w6hcY4 (https://youtu.be/Swvf3w6hcY4)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 14, 2022, 08:53:04 AM
And they hugged it out on grain through the Black Sea...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-ukraine-reach-breakthrough-over-blocked-grain-exports-un-chief (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-ukraine-reach-breakthrough-over-blocked-grain-exports-un-chief)

Flower petals rain from the sky...all is well...

(snort)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 19, 2022, 08:59:08 AM
AntiWar.com ...   ::hysterical::

Yeah, they are not consistently anti-war...some war-wages are more equalm in their eyes than others...

With that out of the way...

The State Department on Sunday implied that Ukrainian forces are allowed to use US-provided High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) against Russian targets in Crimea, which Russia has controlled since 2014.

When the US first announced it was sending HIMARS to Ukraine, Biden administration officials said they received "assurances" from Ukrainian officials that the rockets won’t be used to target Russian territory.

When asked if the ban on Ukraine using the HIMARS to target Russian territory applies to Crimea, a State Department spokesperson told Antiwar.com, "Crimea is Ukraine."

Factually speaking...it used to be...but AntiWar.com gleefully sheered the response from Moscow...

Former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, who currently serves as the deputy chair of Russia’s security council, warned Sunday that if Ukraine launched attacks on Crimea, it would mean "doomsday" for Ukrainian leadership.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-signals-ukraine-it-can-use-himars-against-russian-targets-crimea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-signals-ukraine-it-can-use-himars-against-russian-targets-crimea)

 ::ohno::

 ::hysterical::

Well, as long as folks place the blame where they think it belongs...the outcome doesn't matter...and folks like AntiWar.com get to feel smug as the planet turns to ash...

 ::laughonfloor::

Isn't it awesome to actually do nothing to stop war but comment on it while it rages?

What a world!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 19, 2022, 09:37:18 AM

I never heard of a single incident of Russia interfering with Ukr grain exports. It may have happened but I never heard of a single incident. Kiev mined the harbors and some inland waterways. As far as I can tell there is no Russian grain embargo of Ukraine.

I read that whatever agreement is reached includes Turkey inspecting incoming ships to Ukraine for weapons. But for this I can see Russian warships doing this and Kiev refusing.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 19, 2022, 09:42:34 AM

What did antiwar.com do or say related to this? I only learned of Scott Horton recently.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 19, 2022, 10:00:03 AM

EU says they will not buy Russian oil past a certain date. Maybe not buy gas past a certain year or buy less gas.

What if Russia takes them at their word? Maybe they sign contracts with other countries based on this?

Then when the EU changes their mind there is no Russian oil or gas?

Maybe Russia says they need to plan long term and only want long term contracts for gas?

Q What did Germany use for heat before wood?
A Natural gas.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 21, 2022, 11:39:09 AM
Some hard to resist war porn for those AntiWar clowns...

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/2022/07/21/former-russian-pm-medvedev-says-ukraine-may-disappear-from-the-map/

Mmmm, "disappear"..."prosecutions"...they all gotta be getting chills down their spines...so much titillating good 'ol Soviet days stuff...oooohhhhh yeah!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 27, 2022, 10:19:39 AM
If you have to advertise a month in advance...kinda seems propaganda-driven...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-unveils-large-scale-eastern-military-exercises-signaling-force-strength-unaffected (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-unveils-large-scale-eastern-military-exercises-signaling-force-strength-unaffected)

...as for its scale, we'll see what constitutes "large"...

What I would be concerned about is if this is a distraction to benefit China for a move on Taiwan.

I'm sure the Pentagoonian Woketards will screw the pooch regardless...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 29, 2022, 12:09:26 PM
Some hard to resist war porn for those AntiWar clowns...

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/2022/07/21/former-russian-pm-medvedev-says-ukraine-may-disappear-from-the-map/

Mmmm, "disappear"..."prosecutions"...they all gotta be getting chills down their spines...so much titillating good 'ol Soviet days stuff...oooohhhhh yeah!

 ::hysterical::

Their is some weird Ukr bill, maybe not signed yet, that gives Poles and Ukr people lots of reciprocal rights in the the other's country. Alex of Duran talked about it. Wonders why it exists.

Many Ukr people saying pro Russian or anti govt things in Ikr have disappeared  over the years.
Also, a UK video blogger Graham Phillips, was put on the UK sanctions list for alleged pro Russian views.
https://youtu.be/i2rsIP2P8-8
 British Journalist Graham Phillips Added To UK SANCTIONS LIST! - Inside Russia Report
43,815 views  Jul 26, 2022  The UK imposed sanctions against its own citizen Graham Phillips for covering the situation in Donbass, his assets and home were also seized.
Great Britain. Sanctions. Against a British citizen. Now we have seen everything, and they speak about misinfo and propaganda... Source: https://tinyurl.com/2dofztn4

Many journalists have been put on a Ukr "peacekeeper" list, including  Canadian Eva Bartlett. Some on the list have been hunted down and killed.

Russian trolling "This is Russia"
https://youtu.be/P9HIeOWFdsg
 Time to move to Russia!
48,144 views  Jul 25, 2022  Don’t delay! Winter is coming…
Signal — https://t.me/ssigny
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 29, 2022, 12:20:23 PM


I fell asleep to this, Russia haters will not like this snap of Gorky Park in Moscow a few days ago. Is this what your city looks like? Watch it and weep.

https://youtu.be/SAWUf7CPCK4?t=892
Moscow LIVE. Gorky Park. Friday Dancing
51,969 views Streamed live on Jul 22, 2022 Wandering around Gorky Park in Moscow, Russia.
Friday Jul, 22 2022

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 29, 2022, 01:01:56 PM

This is depressing. Imagine an American city looking like this. Some used to I guess.
Where do they hide the ugly women?
Where is the 'diversity'?
How are those sanctions working out?

https://youtu.be/0zeqQh6ECgU

 Moscow LIVE. Patriki - Tverskaya - Kuznetskiy Most - Nikolskaya
41,189 views  Streamed live on Jul 23, 2022  Wandering around Moscow city center. 24 Jul 2022
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on July 30, 2022, 08:20:04 PM
Seattle used to look sorta similar (not that many pretty girls!).

The formula was remarkably simple: Take a visually stunning background (The Puget Sound inland waterway, the Olympic mountain range to the west, and the Cascade mountain range to the east) and then add world class architecture provided by the Olmsted Brothers (whose father designed New York's Central Park among other treasures). Then feature all sorts of public events to gather people around and you have scenes like the Moscow video.

That's what I grew up enjoying. There was seemingly no end of things to do.

It's all but gone now. The progs have ruined it - all of it.

You literally couldn't film a similar video in Seattle now without bangers or gangsters or wandering crackheads or homeless bums intruding into the frame. The social scene was on life support when the coof visited itself on us. Our betters choked the life out of every diversionary entertainment. None survives. They still attempt some activities but they are all "look but don't touch" counterfeits that a suffocating "social distancing" restriction that has succeeded in making neurotics of all of us.

I live in a medium city about 30 miles to the south of Seattle. It's a working town so not much on the picturesque or frivolous here. When my parents moved here in the late 1980's it still had the quaint charm of (conservative) SmallTown USA. One could still do modest social events that leaned on good-natured neighborly instincts with an emphasis on informality, blue jeans and a solid work ethic. All that died several years ago when leftists gained control of the Mayor and City Council. They tried to turn us into some sort of Woke circle-jerk. Now it's a lot like the rust-belt - everything in decline and no one gives a damn.

I know that I don't.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on July 31, 2022, 10:42:40 AM
That's the Hallmark of the Left -- everything they touch turns to merde.    ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 31, 2022, 02:14:12 PM
Seattle used to look sorta similar (not that many pretty girls!).

The formula was remarkably simple: Take a visually stunning background (The Puget Sound inland waterway, the Olympic mountain range to the west, and the Cascade mountain range to the east) and then add world class architecture provided by the Olmsted Brothers (whose father designed New York's Central Park among other treasures). Then feature all sorts of public events to gather people around and you have scenes like the Moscow video.

That's what I grew up enjoying. There was seemingly no end of things to do.

It's all but gone now. The progs have ruined it - all of it.

You literally couldn't film a similar video in Seattle now without bangers or gangsters or wandering crackheads or homeless bums intruding into the frame. The social scene was on life support when the coof visited itself on us. Our betters choked the life out of every diversionary entertainment. None survives. They still attempt some activities but they are all "look but don't touch" counterfeits that a suffocating "social distancing" restriction that has succeeded in making neurotics of all of us.

I live in a medium city about 30 miles to the south of Seattle. It's a working town so not much on the picturesque or frivolous here. When my parents moved here in the late 1980's it still had the quaint charm of (conservative) SmallTown USA. One could still do modest social events that leaned on good-natured neighborly instincts with an emphasis on informality, blue jeans and a solid work ethic. All that died several years ago when leftists gained control of the Mayor and City Council. They tried to turn us into some sort of Woke circle-jerk. Now it's a lot like the rust-belt - everything in decline and no one gives a damn.

I know that I don't.

The Moscow street videos made me very sad for what was lost in the US.
That is what civilization looks like.
I imagine anti US propaganda over seas consists of clips from the US evening news.
No need to write their own false propaganda when we make our own.

On occasion I would watch amateur travel videos that included street scenes and travel scenes.
Most of those places would not put up with the crap that we put up with.
Lots or stuff from the ADVChiina guys when they lived in China.
There is a NZ guy Indigo Traveller who traveled through Iran. Included a long hitch hiking part.
Parts had local guides. It seemed very civilized.
If he had been a citizen of the US ('the great Satan') he would have needed a govt approved minder.

Very long ago I was waiting for a ferry in Brindisi Italy. It had the feel of America around 1900 with a quaint town square. Some sort of festival was coming up. Old small town America. Then I saw the flags. Hammer and sickle. The local govt was communist party. Totally blew my mind. I could never process that.

https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q
WALKING STREETS OF IRAN 🇮🇷 (Met Local Girl)

https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU
CRAZY HITCHHIKING IRAN 🇮🇷 (11 Cars/500 KM in One Day)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 09:33:49 AM
Some hard to resist war porn for those AntiWar clowns...

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/2022/07/21/former-russian-pm-medvedev-says-ukraine-may-disappear-from-the-map/

Mmmm, "disappear"..."prosecutions"...they all gotta be getting chills down their spines...so much titillating good 'ol Soviet days stuff...oooohhhhh yeah!

 ::hysterical::

Their is some weird Ukr bill, maybe not signed yet, that gives Poles and Ukr people lots of reciprocal rights in the the other's country. Alex of Duran talked about it. Wonders why it exists.

Many Ukr people saying pro Russian or anti govt things in Ikr have disappeared  over the years.
Also, a UK video blogger Graham Phillips, was put on the UK sanctions list for alleged pro Russian views.
https://youtu.be/i2rsIP2P8-8
 British Journalist Graham Phillips Added To UK SANCTIONS LIST! - Inside Russia Report
43,815 views  Jul 26, 2022  The UK imposed sanctions against its own citizen Graham Phillips for covering the situation in Donbass, his assets and home were also seized.
Great Britain. Sanctions. Against a British citizen. Now we have seen everything, and they speak about misinfo and propaganda... Source: https://tinyurl.com/2dofztn4

Many journalists have been put on a Ukr "peacekeeper" list, including  Canadian Eva Bartlett. Some on the list have been hunted down and killed.

Russian trolling "This is Russia"
https://youtu.be/P9HIeOWFdsg
 Time to move to Russia!
48,144 views  Jul 25, 2022  Don’t delay! Winter is coming…
Signal — https://t.me/ssigny

Back in the day...Poles were used as civil servants in this area, as it was under the control of the Habsburgs...so Poles had to learn Hungarian and German...and the Poles made the Ukrainians (and whoever else) speak Polish...I know this directly from family history...interesting how things evolve...but suspect this is a bigger advantage for Ukraine than Poland...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 09:36:21 AM


I fell asleep to this, Russia haters will not like this snap of Gorky Park in Moscow a few days ago. Is this what your city looks like? Watch it and weep.

https://youtu.be/SAWUf7CPCK4?t=892
Moscow LIVE. Gorky Park. Friday Dancing
51,969 views Streamed live on Jul 22, 2022 Wandering around Gorky Park in Moscow, Russia.
Friday Jul, 22 2022

Sure.  Had a street dance in a small Wisconsin town over the 4th...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 09:41:09 AM

This is depressing. Imagine an American city looking like this. Some used to I guess.
Where do they hide the ugly women?
Where is the 'diversity'?
How are those sanctions working out?

https://youtu.be/0zeqQh6ECgU

 Moscow LIVE. Patriki - Tverskaya - Kuznetskiy Most - Nikolskaya
41,189 views  Streamed live on Jul 23, 2022  Wandering around Moscow city center. 24 Jul 2022

You missed some burly babushka's...

Plus, cannot compare the clean parts of Moscow (or better yet the more western/cosmopolitan St. Petersburg) to American sh*thole cities in their sh*ttier parts...come on, man!

Go to those smaller towns in Russia, especially moving east...by the time you hit the Pacific if you aren't depressed you must be gobbling Prozac...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 09:56:18 AM
Seattle used to look sorta similar (not that many pretty girls!).

The formula was remarkably simple: Take a visually stunning background (The Puget Sound inland waterway, the Olympic mountain range to the west, and the Cascade mountain range to the east) and then add world class architecture provided by the Olmsted Brothers (whose father designed New York's Central Park among other treasures). Then feature all sorts of public events to gather people around and you have scenes like the Moscow video.

That's what I grew up enjoying. There was seemingly no end of things to do.

It's all but gone now. The progs have ruined it - all of it.

You literally couldn't film a similar video in Seattle now without bangers or gangsters or wandering crackheads or homeless bums intruding into the frame. The social scene was on life support when the coof visited itself on us. Our betters choked the life out of every diversionary entertainment. None survives. They still attempt some activities but they are all "look but don't touch" counterfeits that a suffocating "social distancing" restriction that has succeeded in making neurotics of all of us.

I live in a medium city about 30 miles to the south of Seattle. It's a working town so not much on the picturesque or frivolous here. When my parents moved here in the late 1980's it still had the quaint charm of (conservative) SmallTown USA. One could still do modest social events that leaned on good-natured neighborly instincts with an emphasis on informality, blue jeans and a solid work ethic. All that died several years ago when leftists gained control of the Mayor and City Council. They tried to turn us into some sort of Woke circle-jerk. Now it's a lot like the rust-belt - everything in decline and no one gives a damn.

I know that I don't.

The Moscow street videos made me very sad for what was lost in the US.
That is what civilization looks like.
I imagine anti US propaganda over seas consists of clips from the US evening news.
No need to write their own false propaganda when we make our own.

On occasion I would watch amateur travel videos that included street scenes and travel scenes.
Most of those places would not put up with the crap that we put up with.
Lots or stuff from the ADVChiina guys when they lived in China.
There is a NZ guy Indigo Traveller who traveled through Iran. Included a long hitch hiking part.
Parts had local guides. It seemed very civilized.
If he had been a citizen of the US ('the great Satan') he would have needed a govt approved minder.

Very long ago I was waiting for a ferry in Brindisi Italy. It had the feel of America around 1900 with a quaint town square. Some sort of festival was coming up. Old small town America. Then I saw the flags. Hammer and sickle. The local govt was communist party. Totally blew my mind. I could never process that.

https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q (https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q)
WALKING STREETS OF IRAN 🇮🇷 (Met Local Girl)

https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU (https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU)
CRAZY HITCHHIKING IRAN 🇮🇷 (11 Cars/500 KM in One Day)

You might enjoy this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/)

...to me it is a double-insult...

...insult #1 - kicking us when our oppressors have us down, but it is to be expected...

...insult #2 IMO is worse...like Russian pooh doesn't stink!  Swell, your not woke, not DemoCommie woke...maybe Ruling Russian Elite woke though...yeah, you don't overtly push one race over another (though I don't know if the more Asian/indigenously ethnic would agree in total), you shun gays/trans and all that, push nuclear families and traditional roles, swell...cheap natural resources you do not punish...swell...but it is our oppressors pushing all the crap, not us the oppressed...thanks for ignoring the distinction, assholes!  All in the face of what they don't tell you...like they are trying to impose here, they've already imposed there - one party rule, no vocal opposition allowed, that sh*t gets jailed or snuffed...and in addition to the noble exports of energy, vodka, caviar and ballet...there is the seedier exports of organized crime trafficking just about everything, arms sales to the worst regimes on the planet...and lots of prostitutes.  And hospitality?  Watch those videos I posted long ago about the Russian girl vlogging about suburbs of Moscow, how people avoid eye contact, rarely offer greetings...or even smile!  They've asked foreign tourists why they came to Russia!

Anyway...I'm beating a dead horse...surprised it has any flesh left...there is no perfect, anywhere...everything has blemishes, taints...the little dirty truths...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 12:41:23 PM
...

You might enjoy this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/)

...to me it is a double-insult...

...insult #1 - kicking us when our oppressors have us down, but it is to be expected...

...insult #2 IMO is worse...like Russian pooh doesn't stink!  Swell, your not woke, not DemoCommie woke...maybe Ruling Russian Elite woke though...yeah, you don't overtly push one race over another (though I don't know if the more Asian/indigenously ethnic would agree in total), you shun gays/trans and all that, push nuclear families and traditional roles, swell...cheap natural resources you do not punish...swell...but it is our oppressors pushing all the crap, not us the oppressed...thanks for ignoring the distinction, assholes!  All in the face of what they don't tell you...like they are trying to impose here, they've already imposed there - one party rule, no vocal opposition allowed, that sh*t gets jailed or snuffed...and in addition to the noble exports of energy, vodka, caviar and ballet...there is the seedier exports of organized crime trafficking just about everything, arms sales to the worst regimes on the planet...and lots of prostitutes.  And hospitality?  Watch those videos I posted long ago about the Russian girl vlogging about suburbs of Moscow, how people avoid eye contact, rarely offer greetings...or even smile!  They've asked foreign tourists why they came to Russia!

Anyway...I'm beating a dead horse...surprised it has any flesh left...there is no perfect, anywhere...everything has blemishes, taints...the little dirty truths...

There are video blogs from people who stayed in Russia for a while. They all say Russians don't smile much.
 The one minute Russian video is definitely trolling and propaganda but well done at that.
Who said Russia was perfect? No one.  They have promoted  ideals and values they fail to meet. That is true everywhere and goes unsaid most of the time as everyone knows it. I do not know the culture or ideals of Iran but because humans are involved I am certain they fail to meet them and there is corruption and .....


I watched some "Lost in Moscow" street videos on youtube. I was surprised. There are videos of people going to rural Russian villages. Isolated and very run down. Poor. Aged. Most will die when the old folks die but there will be dachas near larger cities.

I do not know much about Russia but that last source I would trust is the US MSM or govt. I know for a fact they lie 24/7 in areas I know about. I expect them to  push some narrative about Russia that may or may not be true.

BTW reminded me of a Russian movie Brat. Made for almost no money. I liked it but remember none of it.
https://youtu.be/iw6cDYEd8Dw (https://youtu.be/iw6cDYEd8Dw)
 Brat (Brother with subtitles 1/8)
1,225,009 views  Apr 12, 2013  You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/user/CTBFilm (http://www.youtube.com/user/CTBFilm)
Web: http://www.ctb.ru (http://www.ctb.ru)
Title: Brat (Brother with subtitles 1/8)
After military service Danila Bagrov have returned to his home town. But boring life of Russian province didn't suit  him and he decided to go to Saint Petersburg, where his elder brother was living for several years. Danila found his brother. But everything was not so easy - his brother was a killer.
The film went on to quotations and soundtracks. For audience  Danila has become a hero of the time -- in 90s Russia, film has made an influence on the whole russian cinematograth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 12:48:33 PM
...

You might enjoy this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/)

...to me it is a double-insult...

...insult #1 - kicking us when our oppressors have us down, but it is to be expected...

...insult #2 IMO is worse...like Russian pooh doesn't stink!  Swell, your not woke, not DemoCommie woke...maybe Ruling Russian Elite woke though...yeah, you don't overtly push one race over another (though I don't know if the more Asian/indigenously ethnic would agree in total), you shun gays/trans and all that, push nuclear families and traditional roles, swell...cheap natural resources you do not punish...swell...but it is our oppressors pushing all the crap, not us the oppressed...thanks for ignoring the distinction, assholes!  All in the face of what they don't tell you...like they are trying to impose here, they've already imposed there - one party rule, no vocal opposition allowed, that sh*t gets jailed or snuffed...and in addition to the noble exports of energy, vodka, caviar and ballet...there is the seedier exports of organized crime trafficking just about everything, arms sales to the worst regimes on the planet...and lots of prostitutes.  And hospitality?  Watch those videos I posted long ago about the Russian girl vlogging about suburbs of Moscow, how people avoid eye contact, rarely offer greetings...or even smile!  They've asked foreign tourists why they came to Russia!

Anyway...I'm beating a dead horse...surprised it has any flesh left...there is no perfect, anywhere...everything has blemishes, taints...the little dirty truths...

There are video blogs from people who stayed in Russia for a while. They all say Russians don't smile much.
 The one minute Russian video is definitely trolling and propaganda but well done at that.
Who said Russia was perfect? No one.  They have promoted  ideals and values they fail to meet. That is true everywhere and goes unsaid most of the time as everyone knows it. I do not know the culture or ideals of Iran but because humans are involved I am certain they fail to meet them and there is corruption and .....


I watched some "Lost in Moscow" street videos on youtube. I was surprised. There are videos of people going to rural Russian villages. Isolated and very run down. Poor. Aged. Most will die when the old folks die but there will be dachas near larger cities.

I do not know much about Russia but that last source I would trust is the US MSM or govt. I know for a fact they lie 24/7 in areas I know about. I expect them to  push some narrative about Russia that may or may not be true.

BTW reminded me of a Russian movie Brat. Made for almost no money. I liked it but remember none of it.
https://youtu.be/iw6cDYEd8Dw (https://youtu.be/iw6cDYEd8Dw)
 Brat (Brother with subtitles 1/8)
1,225,009 views  Apr 12, 2013  You Tube: http://www.youtube.com/user/CTBFilm (http://www.youtube.com/user/CTBFilm)
Web: http://www.ctb.ru (http://www.ctb.ru)
Title: Brat (Brother with subtitles 1/8)
After military service Danila Bagrov have returned to his home town. But boring life of Russian province didn't suit  him and he decided to go to Saint Petersburg, where his elder brother was living for several years. Danila found his brother. But everything was not so easy - his brother was a killer.
The film went on to quotations and soundtracks. For audience  Danila has become a hero of the time -- in 90s Russia, film has made an influence on the whole russian cinematograth.

Yeah, trusting any government to be honest with its people or themselves is a foolish thing.  Most of the "official" chatter is aimed either at blowing smoke at foreigners, your citizens or both...

The lack of tolerance for BS and the intelligence to discern it are the only factors that can increase or decrease it....
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 12:52:31 PM

This is depressing. Imagine an American city looking like this. Some used to I guess.
Where do they hide the ugly women?
Where is the 'diversity'?
How are those sanctions working out?

https://youtu.be/0zeqQh6ECgU

 Moscow LIVE. Patriki - Tverskaya - Kuznetskiy Most - Nikolskaya
41,189 views  Streamed live on Jul 23, 2022  Wandering around Moscow city center. 24 Jul 2022

You missed some burly babushka's...

Plus, cannot compare the clean parts of Moscow (or better yet the more western/cosmopolitan St. Petersburg) to American sh*thole cities in their sh*ttier parts...come on, man!

Go to those smaller towns in Russia, especially moving east...by the time you hit the Pacific if you aren't depressed you must be gobbling Prozac...

If I depended on the US MSM I would think that China, Vietnam, and Russia are depressed hellscapes run by dictators. People with video cameras walk around and talk to people and that no longer rings true.   I never got the impression they were utopias or anything close.

I have watched several videos from the east in Russia from several sources. Lots of isolated, poor, depressed villages.
Here is one from some village.
https://youtu.be/_0lql3prvnI

https://youtu.be/BpZHXmrfjLg

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 01:04:01 PM
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Yeah, trusting any government to be honest with its people or themselves is a foolish thing.  Most of the "official" chatter is aimed either at blowing smoke at foreigners, your citizens or both...

The lack of tolerance for BS and the intelligence to discern it are the only factors that can increase or decrease it....

I know the US govt and MSM lie about man made climate change, green energy, Jan. 6, covid, vaccines, masks, etc. When the DC/fed cops shot Miriam Carey 5 times in the back through her rear car window I watched the US govt and MSM generate false propaganda in real time, smear her, hide or destroy evidence, then bury the story.

In Ukraine I tried to find both sides to the story and the best ones at that. Scott Horton at anti-war.com had the best providing the Russian side IMO. I waited to hear what the Ukr people recently conquered/liberated by the Russians would say. What they report is nothing like what we hear in the MSM. At least 90% of what is reported is false and anything pro Russian is hidden. Hundreds of civilians' testimonies on telegram.

The German govt filed criminal charges against one of their journalists who went to the Donbass and let people there speak on camera. UK just put one of their citizens Graham Phillips on the sanctions list (like some Russian official or oligarch) for doing the same.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 01:37:33 PM

The suppression of news was Ukraine is amazing. Here is just one example. Very recently Kiev has been showering civilian residential areas of Donetsk with anti personnel mines using rockets. Perhaps thousands.
Can you imagine the reporting if Russia did this in Kiev?

I am providing the long post below to provide support. Don't trust me or any govt. Lots of video clips.


Very recently Kiev has been dispersing small anti personnel mines over Donetsk civilian areas. These would not put a dent in tanks but will blow off feet, especially unawares civilians. Lots shown on videos.

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7643
Ukrainian artillerymen continue to remotely mine Donetsk. Local sources published a map of the alleged PFM-1 dispersal (https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7635?single) in the city center tonight.
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7644
ZradaXXII, [7/30/2022 2:47 PM]
💥💣Deputy minister of information of the DPR on Ukrainian remote mining of Donetsk with anti-personnel butterfly mines:

Please spread as much as possible. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively mining Donetsk with anti-personnel mines remotely. Our air defense works, but even from downed missiles, mines can fall to the ground and remain active. I ask all residents NOT to let their children out of the house and to exercise maximum vigilance when moving around the city until the sappers of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and other law enforcement agencies inspect the city.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/3941
Ukrainian “petal” mines were found in the following streets, avenues and lanes of Donetsk:
...

GB: I know and have walked all of these streets. This all across central Donetsk, some major transportation arteries involved. All completely residential districts—not the slightest suspicion of any military targets. This is pure Ukrainian genocidal terrorism.

https://t.me/VanessaBeeley/7377
Donetsk right now (https://t.me/astrahandm/4731). Ukrainian Armed Forces have shelled the central Donetsk with PFM-1, a scatterable anti-personnel land mines (Lepestok).

Ukraine has been distantly mining Donetsk and its suburbs for several days already. A child’s weight is enough to make these mines detonate. They are small and almost invisible in the grass and on the ground.

The mines are deployed from mortars; they glide to the ground without exploding.

Several children have already died from stepping on these mines in the past days.

That’s an absolutely vicious and undeniable act of terrorism against civilians.
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7648
One of the cassettes of a Ukrainian MLRS rocket did not explode during the shelling of Donetsk.

The ammunition is equipped with anti-personnel mines PFM-1 "Petal".

It should be specifically noted that Armed Forces of Ukraine are using mines against the civilian population of the city, which are not equipped with a self-destruction mechanism, thus remaining active years after being deployed.
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7649
People are afraid to go home - streets in the center of Donetsk right now.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are actively mining the center of Donetsk with anti-personnel butterfly mines (colloquially called 'petal mines' in Russian) - air defense is working, but the mines fall to the ground from downed missiles and do not explode. According to eyewitnesses, the entire Voroshilovsky district is strewn with PMF-1 - some of the cars were damaged when they ran over the mines.

Sappers are working throughout the center of Donetsk - the process of clearing roads is underway. People move around the city with caution - the mines are scattered literally at every step.

According to preliminary data, butterfly mines covered at least four quarters of the center of Donetsk - the roadway poses a particular danger.
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7650
Mines in the center of Donetsk on Universitetskaya Street are being collected by the military with a shovel.

The Nazis fired a rocket-propelled cluster projectile with mines PFM-1 "petal" in the center of Donetsk.
One such missile carries 312 mines.


Mina PFM-1S is the simplest anti-personnel ammunition of the minimum size. The diameter of the product does not exceed 120 mm, the weight is only 80 g. 40 g of explosive is placed inside a lightweight plastic case. The push-to-action fuse is activated within 1-10 minutes after being released. A self-liquidator is provided that works 1-40 hours after activation.
When firing at maximum range with a volley of 16 9M27K3 shells, the mines are dispersed along an ellipse with an area of   up to 150 hectares. The average distance between individual mines does not exceed 10 m.

Recently, the Nazis are increasingly using this type of mining in Donetsk, Makeevka and Yasinovataya.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7846
Reality Theories, Eva K Bartlett, [7/30/2022 2:11 PM]
[ Photo ]
This is the mild version of what the "petal" mines Ukraine is firing on the Donbass (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7845), including one street away from where I am, will do to civilians who unfortunately tread on them.
https://t.me/intelslava/34236
🇷🇺🇺🇦??Specialists destroyed more than 600 high-explosive anti-personnel mines in Donetsk in just two days, Aleksey Kostrubitsky, head of the DPR Ministry of Emergency Situations, told RIA Novosti

In Donetsk an old lady put the "petal" mine in her bag to "show it at work." She thought it was just a shard. Fortunately, no one was hurt.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 01:38:07 PM

More support. Many videos.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7848
Telegram (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7846)
Reality Theories, Eva K Bartlett
This is the mild version of what the "petal" mines Ukraine is firing on the Donbass, including one street away from where I am, will do to civilians who unfortunately tread on them.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7851
So you get a sense of how small & difficult to spot these powerful, nasty, mines are which Ukraine has littered on streets all over the DPR
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7852
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7855
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7856
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7860
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7861
this is the CENTRE of Donetsk, a popular pedestrian area with playgrounds & cafes! This is Ukraine targeting civilians, especially children, with insidious petal mines
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/7866
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7652
Tanks being used in unusual role to clear the streets of the center of Donetsk from PMF-1 anti-personnel mines scattered by Ukraine with MLRS Uragan (https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7648).
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/7696
🔵🔴 In Donetsk, an insane woman put an anti-personnel petal mine in a bag with food to boast in front of her colleagues.

https://youtu.be/OcqfAk_7P0w

https://youtu.be/4m_D7EulAGA

https://rumble.com/v1e94mr-ukraine-launches-banned-anti-personnel-petal-mines-in-donetsk.html
https://rumble.com/v1e7d11-today-ukro-nazis-threw-at-donetsk-again-forbidden-anti-personnel-petal-mine.html
https://rumble.com/v1e4cj1-a-good-example-of-how-a-pfm-1-petal-mine-works.html
Reportedly, Ukrainian forces loaded Smerch MLRS launchers with them and fired them at Donetsk and now they're spread around a few districts. When the hard-to-see mines are stepped on they can take off a foot or lower leg.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 01:48:01 PM
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Yeah, trusting any government to be honest with its people or themselves is a foolish thing.  Most of the "official" chatter is aimed either at blowing smoke at foreigners, your citizens or both...

The lack of tolerance for BS and the intelligence to discern it are the only factors that can increase or decrease it....

I know the US govt and MSM lie about man made climate change, green energy, Jan. 6, covid, vaccines, masks, etc. When the DC/fed cops shot Miriam Carey 5 times in the back through her rear car window I watched the US govt and MSM generate false propaganda in real time, smear her, hide or destroy evidence, then bury the story.

In Ukraine I tried to find both sides to the story and the best ones at that. Scott Horton at anti-war.com had the best providing the Russian side IMO. I waited to hear what the Ukr people recently conquered/liberated by the Russians would say. What they report is nothing like what we hear in the MSM. At least 90% of what is reported is false and anything pro Russian is hidden. Hundreds of civilians' testimonies on telegram.

The German govt filed criminal charges against one of their journalists who went to the Donbass and let people there speak on camera. UK just put one of their citizens Graham Phillips on the sanctions list (like some Russian official or oligarch) for doing the same.

Yeah, people have agendas and their version of the party line...for political survival, economic survival...self-interest drives all...and the more powerful one is generally speaking the crimes committed to stay powerful are much greater...same in Russia, speaking out against official narrative is silenced...those speaking out get grabbed off the streets for re-education or involuntary internment...arguing over degrees between x and y seems petty...right is right, wrong is wrong...I see wrong everywhere...

I'm sure the Russian families having their sons remains returned from Ukraine probably have a different outlook on things that the people in Moscow calling the shots...same in Ukraine...or anywhere else...war used to be the last action after diplomacy fails, now it seems the game played by all is the make diplomacy fail as fast as possible and just go to war...the tie-in to commercial interests being a big driver...the MIC exists in most states, not just the US...economics is an element of warfare now...everybody wants their filthy lucre...doesn't matter how...people better not ask why (they'll get lied to anyway)...and force is a quicker way to get there than actually negotiating something sides can live with...

I see noting changing that...horizon looks the same every direction right now...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2022, 02:02:16 PM
I can't get the Telegraph links to work, probably need an account, which I won't get...

The YouTube and Rumble links work...but pictures of petal bombs and narration picking them up with shovels isn't proving anything to me as to lethality...it is proving to me they are disposing of them easy enough...only the last link showed one being triggered...look about equivalent to like maybe half-grenade strength (no shrapnel shroud)...

And this is where I need a referee to explain consistency in narratives...told by Putin that the special military operation was launched to protect Russian people and Russian interests in this areas...whose civilians are being targeted, Ukrainians (who shouldn't be there) or Russians (who may be civilians, militia or Russian soldiers)?

The narratives change to push one agenda or another and are not consistent...inconsistency may work for some, I always have a problem with it...

But who is a referee I can trust?  Maybe get a Filipino in there, or a monk from Tibet?  Good luck finding volunteers...all sides will want them murdered.

ETA - Actually, these petals make sense...saw something and forgot where so I cannot post it...but basically some anonymous government fop in the Pentagon admitting the cause (pushing back the Russians let alone stopping their consolidation) is lost...so inflicting harm for spite fits, doesn't it?

Again, our oppressors and their fellow travelers in the Pentagon are nuts, not us, this is on them...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 05:00:34 PM
I don't know why you wouldn't get a telegram account. It is just an uncensored twitter, and twitter is censored for all sorts of topics. Telegram is the best source for uncensored current news on many topics.

Long ago US News & World Report used to have a feature "pro and con". One page both sides, divided into opposing columns right and left sides. Two sides of an issue. That was unusual. What was more unusual was that they got heavy hitters on both sides. I recall only one, universal health care, where Sen. Kennedy was on the pro side. That almost never happens now.

I do not want a referee. I want to to hear both sides. Like a court room.  I also want to hear factual reporting. Telegram is good for the factual part, coming directly from  sources, often civilians, often with videos. 

The petal mines are not meant to be lethal. They are meant to maim.

When I say these are civilian residential areas I do not take anyone's word for it although I give some weight to the testimony of locals. The military is mostly at the front, fighting, not hanging around inside the city. It also looks like a residential area from maps and especially from the videos.  Also, the military at the front might be DPR or they might be Russian. I appreciate that some things are dual use such as fuel depots. I did see one tank, used to run over the petal mines.

So, the people in the city are not Russian soldiers. They are Ukrainian civilians who live and work there. Kiev has been shelling such people for 8 years. This according to the locals getting shelled and the video clips. The recent petal mines are little different from past shelling, just different shells.
There are lots of videos where video bloggers will go to such areas, take videos, and interview the locals. I don't have a life so I have watched over a hundred.

After the 2014 coup, the Ukr govt was installed by the US, Russian language TV stations shut down, NAZIs took positions of influence, text books rewritten, Russian no longer in govt and stores, and parents no longer allowed to chose which language to education their children in. IMO they got all amped up on some weird ultra nationalism. IMO Ethnic hatred and ultra nationalism were and are the motives for the past and recent shelling.

The bulk of the local's testimony from Mariupol according to civilian testimony,  is that the troops sent by Kiev invaded them, robbed, raped, killed for sport, and used them as human shields. People from Mariupol were not defending Mariupol from the Russians or DPR. They mostly viewed the Russians/DPR as liberators. Who am I to argue?

Kiev forces would set fire to residences when leaving and often shell them or fire tank rounds. Also at churches.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 01, 2022, 05:16:02 PM

I stopped posting most of what I find on telegram from civilian testimonies on camera. I trust them in bulk more than any govt reports. Too much to post and duplicative. Hundreds.

I have been truly amazed at how the MSM and govts report on Ukraine.
Over simplifying .....
The west sanctions Russian energy and food then blames it on Russian embargoes.
Ukr mines its own waterways and harbors then blames Russia.
Western MSM report this stuff as fact.
As Ukr forces retreat they have been destroying residences, markets, apts, churches. This is from reports of civilians in the areas. Kiev shuts of nat gas to those areas when they can.

Now according to some Spanish video blogger, Kiev is destroying grain stores as they leave. I am sure they will blame it on the Russians. Videos at links. Hundreds more.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7885
‘While the Western media was unleashing hysteria against Russia over the threat of a global famine due to a lack of Ukrainian wheat, Ukraine was burning tons of the grain,’ says Liu Sivaya, a Spanish blogger who reported the Ukrainian army burning tons of wheat in the village of Rubezhnoe in the Luhansk People's Republic.

https://rumble.com/v1dyipb-liu-sivaya-a-spanish-blogger-who-reported-the-ukrainian-army-burning-tons-o.html
Liu Sivaya, a Spanish blogger who reported the Ukrainian army burning tons of wheat
TellMeSweetLittleLies Published July 28, 2022 143 Views

https://youtu.be/zlrYBnttnt4
Liu Sivaya, a spanish War correspondent reports from the Alley of Angels in the center of Donetsk.


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/7886
Residents of Lisichansk recalled how the Ukrainian Army shelled Orthodox churches
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2022, 08:08:19 AM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2022, 11:38:22 AM
Seattle used to look sorta similar (not that many pretty girls!).

The formula was remarkably simple: Take a visually stunning background (The Puget Sound inland waterway, the Olympic mountain range to the west, and the Cascade mountain range to the east) and then add world class architecture provided by the Olmsted Brothers (whose father designed New York's Central Park among other treasures). Then feature all sorts of public events to gather people around and you have scenes like the Moscow video.

That's what I grew up enjoying. There was seemingly no end of things to do.

It's all but gone now. The progs have ruined it - all of it.

You literally couldn't film a similar video in Seattle now without bangers or gangsters or wandering crackheads or homeless bums intruding into the frame. The social scene was on life support when the coof visited itself on us. Our betters choked the life out of every diversionary entertainment. None survives. They still attempt some activities but they are all "look but don't touch" counterfeits that a suffocating "social distancing" restriction that has succeeded in making neurotics of all of us.

I live in a medium city about 30 miles to the south of Seattle. It's a working town so not much on the picturesque or frivolous here. When my parents moved here in the late 1980's it still had the quaint charm of (conservative) SmallTown USA. One could still do modest social events that leaned on good-natured neighborly instincts with an emphasis on informality, blue jeans and a solid work ethic. All that died several years ago when leftists gained control of the Mayor and City Council. They tried to turn us into some sort of Woke circle-jerk. Now it's a lot like the rust-belt - everything in decline and no one gives a damn.

I know that I don't.

The Moscow street videos made me very sad for what was lost in the US.
That is what civilization looks like.
I imagine anti US propaganda over seas consists of clips from the US evening news.
No need to write their own false propaganda when we make our own.

On occasion I would watch amateur travel videos that included street scenes and travel scenes.
Most of those places would not put up with the crap that we put up with.
Lots or stuff from the ADVChiina guys when they lived in China.
There is a NZ guy Indigo Traveller who traveled through Iran. Included a long hitch hiking part.
Parts had local guides. It seemed very civilized.
If he had been a citizen of the US ('the great Satan') he would have needed a govt approved minder.

Very long ago I was waiting for a ferry in Brindisi Italy. It had the feel of America around 1900 with a quaint town square. Some sort of festival was coming up. Old small town America. Then I saw the flags. Hammer and sickle. The local govt was communist party. Totally blew my mind. I could never process that.

https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q (https://youtu.be/HgEqlOFs56Q)
WALKING STREETS OF IRAN 🇮🇷 (Met Local Girl)

https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU (https://youtu.be/6TleZuubucU)
CRAZY HITCHHIKING IRAN 🇮🇷 (11 Cars/500 KM in One Day)

You might enjoy this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/07/russian-embassy-just-released-new-video-mocking-west-time-move-russia-traditional-values-christianity-no-cancel-culture/)

...to me it is a double-insult...

...insult #1 - kicking us when our oppressors have us down, but it is to be expected...

...insult #2 IMO is worse...like Russian pooh doesn't stink!  Swell, your not woke, not DemoCommie woke...maybe Ruling Russian Elite woke though...yeah, you don't overtly push one race over another (though I don't know if the more Asian/indigenously ethnic would agree in total), you shun gays/trans and all that, push nuclear families and traditional roles, swell...cheap natural resources you do not punish...swell...but it is our oppressors pushing all the crap, not us the oppressed...thanks for ignoring the distinction, assholes!  All in the face of what they don't tell you...like they are trying to impose here, they've already imposed there - one party rule, no vocal opposition allowed, that sh*t gets jailed or snuffed...and in addition to the noble exports of energy, vodka, caviar and ballet...there is the seedier exports of organized crime trafficking just about everything, arms sales to the worst regimes on the planet...and lots of prostitutes.  And hospitality?  Watch those videos I posted long ago about the Russian girl vlogging about suburbs of Moscow, how people avoid eye contact, rarely offer greetings...or even smile!  They've asked foreign tourists why they came to Russia!

Anyway...I'm beating a dead horse...surprised it has any flesh left...there is no perfect, anywhere...everything has blemishes, taints...the little dirty truths...

Update - The good folks at TPC found some interesting facts (much of what they boast is Ukrainian or Soviet) and some is odd (beautiful women and the clip shows young girls?)...is this meant as a farce or are they OK with cultural hijacking and links to Soviet ideals and pedophilia?

https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/this-russia-t23042.html (https://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/this-russia-t23042.html)

So, without Ukraine, Mother Russia would not exist?
This video is Russian disinformation. - jackalopelipsky
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 02, 2022, 01:01:27 PM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I
, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...


Why would you expect everyone in Ukraine to speak Ukrainian when that was not the case until the coup?
 
Do you expect people in Switzerland to speak Swiss? They have 3 official languages which may vary according to the Canton. "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh. German, French, and Italian maintain equal status as official languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation, while Romansh is used in dealings with people who speak it."

In many of the Russian republics there are two official languages, Russian and some local language and school children are taught in both.

Prior to 2022 MSM used to write up the Ukr NAZIs. Now they are mostly buried and not discussed. I think around 10% of the Ukr army are NAZIs. There are some units formed of them and sometimes they are embedded with normal Ukr army to stiffen them up and serve as commissars to enforce discipline. When they take their shirts off they have lots of NAZI tattoos.

I trust civilian locals talking on camera more than any other source, especially more than the MSM or govts.
The west is desperate to keep these people from talking on camera. One German journalist has been criminally charged back in Germany. A UK video blogger has been put on the UK sanction list.  A US and Canadian blogger have been put on a Ukr kill list. Previous Ukr journalists on the list have disappeared.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2022, 08:35:18 AM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I
, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...


Why would you expect everyone in Ukraine to speak Ukrainian when that was not the case until the coup?  (That's called "Sovietization" that I do not endorse)
 
Do you expect people in Switzerland to speak Swiss? They have 3 official languages which may vary according to the Canton. "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh. German, French, and Italian maintain equal status as official languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation, while Romansh is used in dealings with people who speak it."

In many of the Russian republics there are two official languages, Russian and some local language and school children are taught in both.

Prior to 2022 MSM used to write up the Ukr NAZIs. Now they are mostly buried and not discussed. I think around 10% of the Ukr army are NAZIs. There are some units formed of them and sometimes they are embedded with normal Ukr army to stiffen them up and serve as commissars to enforce discipline. When they take their shirts off they have lots of NAZI tattoos. (And no Russian/Russophile acknowledges the Wagner Group's Nazi's and close ties to Putin)

I trust civilian locals talking on camera more than any other source, especially more than the MSM or govts.
The west is desperate to keep these people from talking on camera. One German journalist has been criminally charged back in Germany. A UK video blogger has been put on the UK sanction list.  A US and Canadian blogger have been put on a Ukr kill list. Previous Ukr journalists on the list have disappeared.  (But nobody ever documents/provides background of said "citizens"...could all be paid actors, who knows for certain?)

Again, so much noise...nothing changing the essential facts of who holds what ground...I just don't want to see any spillover BS and do not care who starts it or points fingers...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 03, 2022, 11:20:36 AM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I
, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...


Why would you expect everyone in Ukraine to speak Ukrainian when that was not the case until the coup?  (That's called "Sovietization" that I do not endorse)
 
Do you expect people in Switzerland to speak Swiss? They have 3 official languages which may vary according to the Canton. "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh. German, French, and Italian maintain equal status as official languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation, while Romansh is used in dealings with people who speak it."

In many of the Russian republics there are two official languages, Russian and some local language and school children are taught in both.

Prior to 2022 MSM used to write up the Ukr NAZIs. Now they are mostly buried and not discussed. I think around 10% of the Ukr army are NAZIs. There are some units formed of them and sometimes they are embedded with normal Ukr army to stiffen them up and serve as commissars to enforce discipline. When they take their shirts off they have lots of NAZI tattoos. (And no Russian/Russophile acknowledges the Wagner Group's Nazi's and close ties to Putin)

I trust civilian locals talking on camera more than any other source, especially more than the MSM or govts.
The west is desperate to keep these people from talking on camera. One German journalist has been criminally charged back in Germany. A UK video blogger has been put on the UK sanction list.  A US and Canadian blogger have been put on a Ukr kill list. Previous Ukr journalists on the list have disappeared.  (But nobody ever documents/provides background of said "citizens"...could all be paid actors, who knows for certain?)

Again, so much noise...nothing changing the essential facts of who holds what ground...I just don't want to see any spillover BS and do not care who starts it or points fingers...

The Swiss have several official languages for reasons of history, not Sovietization. Also other countries. The Kingdom of Belgium has three official languages: Dutch, French, and German. A number of non-official, minority languages and dialects are spoken as well.SSA, swatsikas, linguistic situation in Luxembourg is characterized by the practice and the recognition of three official languages: French, German, and the national language Luxembourgish, established in law in 1984. Most countries there have a live and let live attitude. They do not fine people for speaking the wrong language in a store as they do in Ukraine.
The history of Europe different than the US.

I never heard that the Wagner group were NAZIs. In WWII around 26 M Soviets died so NAZIs are not popular. There are too many photos of Ukr soldiers with NAZI tattoos to count. SS symbols, swastikas, dark sun, even portraits of Hitler. Can you provide photos of the Wagner group with such tattoos? There are also videos of Ukr children singing fascist songs and giving the Heil Hitler salute. It looks like this is socially acceptable to do in public or they would not do it in public.

Why do you put "citizens" in quotes? Journalists like Patrick Lancaster, Graham Phillips, Eva Bartlett walk up to people on camera on sites and ask them questions. Also some guy from Telemundo, some German reporter and some French reporter. Some have been doing this for 8 years, some almost full time, some sporadically.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2022, 11:38:37 AM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I
, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...


Why would you expect everyone in Ukraine to speak Ukrainian when that was not the case until the coup?  (That's called "Sovietization" that I do not endorse)
 
Do you expect people in Switzerland to speak Swiss? They have 3 official languages which may vary according to the Canton. "The four national languages of Switzerland are German, French, Italian, and Romansh. German, French, and Italian maintain equal status as official languages at the national level within the Federal Administration of the Swiss Confederation, while Romansh is used in dealings with people who speak it."

In many of the Russian republics there are two official languages, Russian and some local language and school children are taught in both.

Prior to 2022 MSM used to write up the Ukr NAZIs. Now they are mostly buried and not discussed. I think around 10% of the Ukr army are NAZIs. There are some units formed of them and sometimes they are embedded with normal Ukr army to stiffen them up and serve as commissars to enforce discipline. When they take their shirts off they have lots of NAZI tattoos. (And no Russian/Russophile acknowledges the Wagner Group's Nazi's and close ties to Putin)

I trust civilian locals talking on camera more than any other source, especially more than the MSM or govts.
The west is desperate to keep these people from talking on camera. One German journalist has been criminally charged back in Germany. A UK video blogger has been put on the UK sanction list.  A US and Canadian blogger have been put on a Ukr kill list. Previous Ukr journalists on the list have disappeared.  (But nobody ever documents/provides background of said "citizens"...could all be paid actors, who knows for certain?)

Again, so much noise...nothing changing the essential facts of who holds what ground...I just don't want to see any spillover BS and do not care who starts it or points fingers...

The Swiss have several official languages for reasons of history, not Sovietization. Also other countries. The Kingdom of Belgium has three official languages: Dutch, French, and German. A number of non-official, minority languages and dialects are spoken as well.SSA, swatsikas, linguistic situation in Luxembourg is characterized by the practice and the recognition of three official languages: French, German, and the national language Luxembourgish, established in law in 1984. Most countries there have a live and let live attitude. They do not fine people for speaking the wrong language in a store as they do in Ukraine.
The history of Europe different than the US.

I never heard that the Wagner group were NAZIs. In WWII around 26 M Soviets died so NAZIs are not popular. There are too many photos of Ukr soldiers with NAZI tattoos to count. SS symbols, swastikas, dark sun, even portraits of Hitler. Can you provide photos of the Wagner group with such tattoos? There are also videos of Ukr children singing fascist songs and giving the Heil Hitler salute. It looks like this is socially acceptable to do in public or they would not do it in public.

Why do you put "citizens" in quotes? Journalists like Patrick Lancaster, Graham Phillips, Eva Bartlett walk up to people on camera on sites and ask them questions. Also some guy from Telemundo, some German reporter and some French reporter. Some have been doing this for 8 years, some almost full time, some sporadically.

The difference being the Swiss and Belgians don't have as extensive political and cultural differences...thought that was obvious.

As for Wagner, I posted a pic of that tatted-up Dmitry Utkin who founded the Wagner Group, or ?????? ??????? in Russian...he was a GRU Lt.Col. and received 4 Orders of Courage

Wagner's logo look rather Aryan, don't ya think? 

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Rusich_patch.webp/300px-Rusich_patch.webp.png)

Leaders Alexey Milchakov & Yan Petrovsky active in Ukraine...gosh, nobody in Russia is even talking about it.  At least Uke's Nazi's are well in the open, LOL!

They've been all over, Georgia, Syria, Africa...Ukraine...nobody cares, how nice!  Good Nazi's are so much more tolerable than bad ones!

/

As for civilians, exactly...interview people on streets...nobody vets these people, just takes their word for it...don't even know if they've been previously coached...there is no proof either way.  Ask any baby-momma in Chicago about their Dindu's...about as reliable as far as I am concerned...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 03, 2022, 03:08:55 PM
What is the symbol above? Does it have a name?
It does not look familiar to me.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Alphabet Soup on August 03, 2022, 07:54:31 PM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...

I had a LinkedIn account that sat dormant for several years. I had a plan to do some casual contracting.... right up til the coof scared everybody into the cellars.

I received a come-on to "friend" (or whatever the hell LinkedIn calls it) someone from my old employer and got curious about how people were doing. So I added him so that I could message him and make a few subtle inquiries. We had one brief conversation where he told me how fabulous his situation was - while asking where I was working and if there were any openings (but ignored any mention of the old crew).

Then I began receiving come-ons to add several dozen previous co-workers, including my ex-boss. I thought it peculiar because it was the algorithm talking, not approaches from any of the people themselves. I wondered why it was that all of the initiating of contact was from me to them. Surely they had the same capabilities to make contact as I did. I'm slow but I catch on eventually. The reason no one reached out to me personally was because no one had any interest in interacting with me, except to the extent that I added to the volume of their friend list for the purposes of virtue signalling.

What a phony POS poseur website that is!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 04, 2022, 08:06:47 AM
What is the symbol above? Does it have a name?
It does not look familiar to me.

It is the special symbol of Task Force Rusich contingent of the Wagner Group in Ukraine...a recon group specializing in sabotage and attack...they were established by Alexey & Yan...and they adopted the Slavic Swastika as their logo...and they operate in Syria and Ukraine...ultra-Russian nationalists.

The Wagner Group has this touchy-feely logo -

(https://www.occrp.org/images/stories/daily/wagner_logo_copy.jpg)

And I don't know what you call that crap...but it's been modified in conflict areas they are in...

Dmitiri Utkin has these odd tats...

(https://i12.haber7.net/haber/haber7/photos/2021/08/8HZAw_1614531588_7619.jpg)

One looks like an SS lightning bolt...the other too hard to make out...

Here is the hero with other pals of Vlad from December 2016...

https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Putin-with-Utkin-and-other-Vagner-mercenaries-circa-December-2016.jpg (https://euromaidanpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Putin-with-Utkin-and-other-Vagner-mercenaries-circa-December-2016.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 04, 2022, 08:10:33 AM
I avoid social media, it is the easiest to be corrupted and feeds the spooks in CIA & NSA...closest thing I have to it is LinkedIn and I barely tolerate that noise...

You are more trusting of sources than I, I think everybody is full of crap.  Take that language issue...your in "Ukraine"...officially language would be expected to be "Ukrainian"...like speaking English here (that the DemoCommies corrupted by caving into the third world invaders and why we have effing signs in 8 languages!)...seems petty Russian butthurt to me, keep rehashing past sins...that's a game that can go on and on and on and if not stomped out ensures somebody suffers genocide...but, seems what they all want...I'm starting to not care...sucks for the innocent not wanting any of it...hopefully guilty on all sides suffer accordingly...

Same with the Nazi crap...Uke Nazi's/Russian Nazi's...WGAFF?  Same as American Nazi's and Soviet Nazi's... Don't care.

This sh*t show is in its last spasms...all that matters is the lust for war doesn't spill over into neighboring countries...

I had a LinkedIn account that sat dormant for several years. I had a plan to do some casual contracting.... right up til the coof scared everybody into the cellars.

I received a come-on to "friend" (or whatever the hell LinkedIn calls it) someone from my old employer and got curious about how people were doing. So I added him so that I could message him and make a few subtle inquiries. We had one brief conversation where he told me how fabulous his situation was - while asking where I was working and if there were any openings (but ignored any mention of the old crew).

Then I began receiving come-ons to add several dozen previous co-workers, including my ex-boss. I thought it peculiar because it was the algorithm talking, not approaches from any of the people themselves. I wondered why it was that all of the initiating of contact was from me to them. Surely they had the same capabilities to make contact as I did. I'm slow but I catch on eventually. The reason no one reached out to me personally was because no one had any interest in interacting with me, except to the extent that I added to the volume of their friend list for the purposes of virtue signalling.

What a phony POS poseur website that is!

Yup, and everybody knows it!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 05, 2022, 01:12:32 PM

I can't get over these videos.
My impression of Moscow was depressed people in drab clothing walking along drab Soviet buildings waiting in bread lines with KGB thugs in trench coats spying on them. I guess this was formed long ago. Yes I have also seen poor rural village videos and drab buildings in the far east in those videos and Siberian RR vides. .

Jeez. Now they switched from Spanish music to some barque style music and they are doing some folk dancing or ancient French dancing or Virginia Reels as I dunno what to call it. Only around 1/3 of people know that one to dance to.

https://youtu.be/826cFn1CflA
Moscow LIVE Dancing in Gorky Park

https://youtu.be/_BpU8fjk0uo?t=3129
Moscow LIVE - Flower Jam Festival, Underground River Neglinnaya
Lost in Moscow
32.1K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 06, 2022, 04:48:07 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anger-ukraines-backers-after-damning-amnesty-report-spotlights-human-shields (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/anger-ukraines-backers-after-damning-amnesty-report-spotlights-human-shields)

Anger From Ukraine's Backers After Damning Amnesty Report Spotlights 'Human Shields'
Tyler Durden's Photo
by Tyler Durden
Friday, Aug 05, 2022 - 09:45 PM

Amnesty International has in a surprise shift placed its human rights scrutiny on Ukraine in a fresh report released Thursday. It immediately sparked a firestorm of criticism as both Western pundits and Kiev officials themselves blasted the findings as "unfair".

The Amnesty report said investigators had "found evidence of Ukrainian forces launching strikes from within populated residential areas, as well as basing themselves in civilian buildings in 19 towns and villages" in three war-torn regions of the country from April through July.
Destroyed hospital in Ukraine, via CBS

The report detailed that schools and hospitals, as well as people's homes, were put in harm's way, suggesting 'human shields' type tactics utilized by the Ukrainian military.



"Such tactics violate international humanitarian law and endanger civilians, as they turn civilian objects into military targets. The ensuing Russian strikes in populated areas have killed civilians and destroyed civilian infrastructure," Amnesty continued, saying this resulted in Russian attacks on said civilian infrastructure.

The report detailed further that in 22 of 29 schools visited by an Amnesty team between April and July, investigators found evidence of prior military activity. Additionally, five instances of Ukrainian troops using hospitals as bases were documented. The report went so far as to stress Amnesty was "not aware" of instances where Ukrainian troops first tried to evacuate civilians from these locations.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2022, 07:55:36 AM
They have ZERO credibility...they never condemn the PaliSquatters or other 7th Century Savages doping the same damn thing...so they can FOAD!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2022, 12:15:19 PM
These children pointing fingers are doing nothing but ensuring both sides get the radioactive deaths they lust for...

Sane people in wars past negotiated hands-off areas to hostilities or one side evacuated and declared a city free to prevent further loss of life...

Neither in this case has any honor...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/more-worrying-chernobyl-fighting-rages-europes-biggest-nuclear-power-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/more-worrying-chernobyl-fighting-rages-europes-biggest-nuclear-power-plant)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 08, 2022, 12:20:19 PM
They have ZERO credibility...they never condemn the PaliSquatters or other 7th Century Savages doping the same damn thing...so they can FOAD!

Some talking head said that Amnesty International sucked. The REAL story is why they reported on Ukraine NOW? There is nothing new happening. Someone gave the OK to start turning on Ukraine and Zelensky. Now they will 'discover' bad things about the Kiev govt and Zelensky.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2022, 07:59:49 PM

Amnesty International wrote a report on Ukraine using human shields etc. Ukr got pissed.
So now Amnesty apologized  but stood by the report.

https://youtu.be/HJhuf0ysRBE
 This is a F*cking shame
73,731 views  Aug 8, 2022  Amnesty International says it "regrets" the recent report showing that Ukraine is harming its own citizens. This is a first for the organization. They do not retract the findings but they do apologize for harmed feelings. Whose feelings now? The harmed citizens or the woke mob?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2022, 09:21:28 PM

 I came across a recent video on Ukraine. This is nothing new. This has been going on for 8 years. In case you are ever curious as to why most of the world does not back Kiev or the US in this world, just mostly western govts.

The use of petal mines on civilian residential areas is new this summer. Usually Kiev uses cluster munitions or incendiaries on residential areas.

https://youtu.be/dCpRy1iDXcA (https://youtu.be/dCpRy1iDXcA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wJbPJv0kk&t=0s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6wJbPJv0kk&t=0s)
https://youtu.be/61wJDFqUl9s (https://youtu.be/61wJDFqUl9s)
Ukrainian Terrorism: Firing Munitions Containing Petal Mines On Donbass Orphanage, Another War Crime
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 11, 2022, 07:55:01 AM
sh*t happens, film at 11.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 12, 2022, 01:24:56 PM

https://youtu.be/SDirVOxnvjo
 
 U.N. issues DIRE warning to Ukraine and Russia, this is not a drill | Redacted with Clayton Morris
72,902 views  Aug 11, 2022  The United Nations is pleading for all shelling to stop around nuclear plants in Ukraine. Russia is asking the International Atomic Energy Agency to come in and inspect the attacks, maintaining that it is Ukraine that is doing this. The IAEA chief has cut short a vacation to do just that so we may get some answers soon but hopefully not before a nuclear disaster!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 12, 2022, 01:47:04 PM
Blah blah blah...

Don't care, both to blame for not declaring it neutral ground...   ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 12, 2022, 05:35:56 PM
Blah blah blah...

Don't care, both to blame for not declaring it neutral ground...   ::smallestviolin::

Sounds fair but absent that someone would occupy it. Right now Russia controls it and Kiev controlled Ukraine still gets electricity. If Kiev controlled it that is not likely. This opinion is based on Kiev cutting off gas. Now Kiev controls the upstream part of the northern pipeline and Russia/DPR controls a downstream part. So, to prevent the Donbass from getting gas Kiev shut off the entire northern pipeline. This also ended 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Europe through the pipeline. Germany never complained at least publicly.

Also, after Crimea rejoined Russia, Kiev shut off 90% of the water supply to Crimea, only restored by Russia this year.

I blame the party doing the shelling. There is no military objective for the shelling that I can determine. I would not want to see Russia shelling nuke plants held by Kiev. Kinda dangerous. Ukr operators still run the plant. The Russians held the plant since Mar so why start shelling now?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 13, 2022, 10:29:47 AM
Blah blah blah...

Don't care, both to blame for not declaring it neutral ground...   ::smallestviolin::

Sounds fair but absent that someone would occupy it. Right now Russia controls it and Kiev controlled Ukraine still gets electricity. If Kiev controlled it that is not likely. This opinion is based on Kiev cutting off gas. Now Kiev controls the upstream part of the northern pipeline and Russia/DPR controls a downstream part. So, to prevent the Donbass from getting gas Kiev shut off the entire northern pipeline. This also ended 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Europe through the pipeline. Germany never complained at least publicly.

Also, after Crimea rejoined Russia, Kiev shut off 90% of the water supply to Crimea, only restored by Russia this year.

I blame the party doing the shelling. There is no military objective for the shelling that I can determine. I would not want to see Russia shelling nuke plants held by Kiev. Kinda dangerous. Ukr operators still run the plant. The Russians held the plant since Mar so why start shelling now?

So the argument is using energy as a weapon is only bad if somebody other than Russia is wielding it?  Swell.

I'd like to exercise some rejoining of Cuba back into American control...

Reckon we both must accept disappointment...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 13, 2022, 11:21:46 AM
Blah blah blah...

Don't care, both to blame for not declaring it neutral ground...   ::smallestviolin::

Sounds fair but absent that someone would occupy it. Right now Russia controls it and Kiev controlled Ukraine still gets electricity. If Kiev controlled it that is not likely. This opinion is based on Kiev cutting off gas. Now Kiev controls the upstream part of the northern pipeline and Russia/DPR controls a downstream part. So, to prevent the Donbass from getting gas Kiev shut off the entire northern pipeline. This also ended 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Europe through the pipeline. Germany never complained at least publicly.

Also, after Crimea rejoined Russia, Kiev shut off 90% of the water supply to Crimea, only restored by Russia this year.

I blame the party doing the shelling. There is no military objective for the shelling that I can determine. I would not want to see Russia shelling nuke plants held by Kiev. Kinda dangerous. Ukr operators still run the plant. The Russians held the plant since Mar so why start shelling now?

So the argument is using energy as a weapon is only bad if somebody other than Russia is wielding it?  Swell.

I'd like to exercise some rejoining of Cuba back into American control...

Reckon we both must accept disappointment...

Who is using energy as a weapon? Who said that was bad?
I used past behavior to predict future behavior.

Russia has said the reactor outputs had been reduced. If this is done IMO they might reduce delivery to Kiev controlled parts of Ukr more than other regions.

What is Kiev's game plan? What is their goal here? I saw a drone video of a truck entering a large garage door in the facility. Kiev said this showed that the plant was being used as a military base. Russia has said they have troops inside for security.

The failure of the IAEA to show up sucks. Russia asked them in. I think Kiev said they do not want them in.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8088
📌 Facts to know on the eve of today’s meeting of the UN Security Council on Zaporozhskaya NPP

🔵 On 5-6 August the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) once again attacked ZNPP by shelling the critically important infrastructural objects of the plant as well as its satellite city Energodar. Twenty shells have been fired during the strikes

🔵 On 5 August, at 14:45, the Ukrainian shelling (three shells hit in the proximity of the training centre next to the territory of the open switchgear of the NPP) resulted in shutdown of the autotransformer and the high voltage line providing backup power to the Units ?1 and ?2 of ZNPP

🔵 On 5 August, at 16:45, the Ukrainian side committed an artillery shelling (four shells) of oil and fuel oil handling equipment and the site of hydrogen receivers. Damage of the pipeline caused jet fire that was localized due to timely and professional actions of ZNPP personnel and Russian military

🔵 On 6 August, at 19:42, the AFU units attacked ZNPP once again. Three artillery shells of 155 millimeters caliber (NATO standard) exploded next to the spent fuel storage and only 200 meters from the operating unit. One person was injured

🔵 On 7 August ZNPP was again shelled by the Ukrainian armed formations. The high-voltage power line “Kakhovskaya” was damaged. Equipment of an open switchgear (750 kW) was damaged as a result of a power surge. At Unit ?4, that was operational at 10% capacity, the power supply of control and safety system went offline. This triggered the emergency protection of the Unit ?4

🔵 The Ukrainian personnel of the plant has decided on cooldown of the Unit ?4 of ZNPP, as well as downpower of the Units ?5 and ?6. Currently, the Units ?5 and ?6 are downpowered to 500 MW

🔵 On 11 August Ukrainian armed formations again tried to attack the ZNPP with missiles and UAVs. This attack was repulsed by the air defense forces

🔵 In addition to direct military threats to the security of ZNPP the Kiev regime is working on other scenarios to create intentional preconditions for a nuclear accident at ZNPP. Inter alia, Kiev is considering different options of cutting the plant off from the Ukrainian power grid and keeps increasing psychological pressure on ZNPP employees and their relatives (they regularly receive phone calls threatening them with criminal prosecutions and physical reprisals)

🔵 Attacks of the Kiev regime on ZNPP endanger the safety and security of Europe and the whole world. In case of an accident at this station the radiation contamination zone (more than 5300 square kilometers, length around 420 km) would cover the population of Kievskaya, Zaporozhskaya, Kharkovskaya, Poltavskaya, Khersonskaya, Odesskaya, Nikolaevskaya, Kirovogradskaya, Vinnitskaya oblasts, Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics, border areas of Russia and Belarus, as well as Moldova, Bulgaria and Romania. The situation could get worse because of adverse weather conditions and spread of possible contamination zone to South-Ukrainian NPP and the nuclear fuel storage at Chernobyl NPP, as well as water arteries. The Black Sea and the Bosphorus Strait would become unsuitable for navigation for a long time. The shores of Abkhazia, Bulgaria, Georgia, Romania and Türkiye would be contaminated with high levels of radiation

??The UN, the IAEA, as well as all countries that have influence on the Kiev regime should do everything possible to ensure immediate cessation of Ukrainian attacks on ZNPP before they resulted in devastating consequences for the whole mankind
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 13, 2022, 12:56:38 PM
Umm, Russia has/is/will use energy as a weapon.  ?

Only Russia can play that game?

Also, only Russia can be responsible (why the barbarian Ukrainians cannot see big brother Slav is trying to care for them is unthinkable...we give them electricity, ungrateful barbarians seek only to reclaim what was taken from their childish hands we returned to their rightful [albeit Soviet] owner!) and victim (they're shelling us!) at the same time.  If Russia wasn't controlling the plant...would there be shelling?  If Russia wasn't in Ukraine, would there be war?  Being the larger nation, supposedly civilized and more ethical and moral...they would have avoided anything looking like control around a nuclear power plant...

I don't know what you expect here, but I'm pretty sure you're not going to get it.

Disaster belongs to both...not my problem.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 13, 2022, 02:38:59 PM

IMO it is a strange war where Russia is providing nat gas and electricity to the enemy.
There is Russian civilian pressure to stop that. Maybe more after this.
If the Russians were not there Kiev would still be shelling the east and cutting off water and perhaps energy.

When has Russia used energy as a weapon? Kiev shut off the northern pipeline which provided 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Germany.

I don't think shelling a nuclear plant is OK no matter who does it. We disagree.

I saw a recent clip from Zelensky that was almost comical. He said the Russians had shelled the nuclear plant and this was terrible. Then he called for the Russians to leave the plant. So Russians are shelling themselves? He needs better writers. If he wrote it he should cut down on the coke.


At the start you can hear the director yell something that might be the equivalent of "action!"
Then the victims run in front of the cameras with a boom mic over head.

https://youtu.be/spYxJyUnBBA


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/8437
In Gostomel, the "directors" of the Kiev regime are filming a staged video about the alleged atrocities of Russian troops against civilians.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2022, 08:02:19 AM

IMO it is a strange war where Russia is providing nat gas and electricity to the enemy.
There is Russian civilian pressure to stop that. Maybe more after this.
If the Russians were not there Kiev would still be shelling the east and cutting off water and perhaps energy.

When has Russia used energy as a weapon? Kiev shut off the northern pipeline which provided 1/4 to 1/3 of gas to Germany.

I don't think shelling a nuclear plant is OK no matter who does it. We disagree.

I saw a recent clip from Zelensky that was almost comical. He said the Russians had shelled the nuclear plant and this was terrible. Then he called for the Russians to leave the plant. So Russians are shelling themselves? He needs better writers. If he wrote it he should cut down on the coke.


At the start you can hear the director yell something that might be the equivalent of "action!"
Then the victims run in front of the cameras with a boom mic over head.

https://youtu.be/spYxJyUnBBA


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/8437
In Gostomel, the "directors" of the Kiev regime are filming a staged video about the alleged atrocities of Russian troops against civilians.

LOL, so they never slowed flows, mucked with prices...St. Vlad the Honest, eh?  Would never take advantage of a freezing Europe stupid enough to think single-source provider of energy was a brilliant idea even if they deserve what they get?  Seriously?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 15, 2022, 01:47:54 PM
....
LOL, so they never slowed flows, mucked with prices...St. Vlad the Honest, eh?  Would never take advantage of a freezing Europe stupid enough to think single-source provider of energy was a brilliant idea even if they deserve what they get?  Seriously?

I do not know what is going on with the turbines. Russia may be jerking them around. Then again, Canada  could have just returned the repaired turbine as normal because of the consequences of not doing so. The reporting on this issue sucks. As I understand it, Russia had a contract with Siemens Canada and now Germany has possession somehow?

As I understand it .....
Some countries shut down coal plants because nat gas was cheaper and they thought that would last forever.
Germany shut down some nuke plants and planned to shut down others.
Some countries opted to buy nat gas on the spot market because it was cheaper than long term contracts and they thought that would last forever.
Germany begged Russia to build NS2 then refused to certify it and use the gas.
I know the NS1 shut down for maintenance was planned only because I saw the same drop in gas flow exactly one year prior to that.
Kiev shut down the northern gas pipeline providing 1/4 to 1/3 of nat gas to Germany. They did this to spite the Donbass
All of this drove the nat gas price up as anyone could have predicted. The EU leaders are crazy. Insane.

They should arrange other energy sources and THEN reduce Russian gas imports, not the other way around.

The EU has announced they will reduce or end Russian gas/oil imports on a certain date.
What if the Russians can read and rely on this to plan ahead?
They are building pipelines to Asia.
I saw a recent headline about EU having to fight Asia for Russian gas and oil.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 15, 2022, 04:12:12 PM
Probably doesn't matter...the world's elite plan on hitting carbon Net Zero through genocide...the demand for energy, food, shelter...is all going to literally crater...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 16, 2022, 09:20:03 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-arms-depot-blast-crimea-act-sabotage-kremlin-admits (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-arms-depot-blast-crimea-act-sabotage-kremlin-admits)

Second video is impressive...nice show...must have had a sh!tload of arms and ammunition there...

Video of the Aug. 9 Saky air base explosion pretty impressive too.  Vehicles, jets & ammo.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/dmmap.png)

All those Russian civilians thinking they could live peaceful lives in temperate luxury are now running back to Russia proper...

How dare the Russians stage weapons of war near civilians!  LOL!

War, gotta love it...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 18, 2022, 09:47:08 AM
In the widening conflict area...this looks like hyperbolic BS to me...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-uk-its-air-force-ordered-prevent-planned-spy-plane-overflight (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-uk-its-air-force-ordered-prevent-planned-spy-plane-overflight)

...Russian skirts getting ruffled over nothing...there are RC-135 flights going on every day in international space...same for drone flights by Global Hawks etc...I see them every day on flight trackers...they loop and pace along borders routinely...

Nothing in this article discusses flight path, zip zero nada.  So the allegation of "Russian space" cannot be confirmed.

Past flights never encroached Russian airspace...

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/08/16/12/61429601-11116219-image-a-19_1660650877197.jpg)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11116219/Moscow-claims-fighter-jet-intercepted-RAF-spy-plane-near-missile-testing-sites.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11116219/Moscow-claims-fighter-jet-intercepted-RAF-spy-plane-near-missile-testing-sites.html)

...planes buzz planes and ship and back and forth all the time, have since man took flight...they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

So, overheated rhetoric aside...this kind of crap is a nothingburger...

Move along...


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 18, 2022, 11:14:06 AM
Quote
they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

I agree. The reports never indicated they violated Russian airspace. If they did it was likely sloppy reporting.

I knew an RC-135 pilot once. He showed photos taken out his window of MIGs. They came up to say hi. They got along just fine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 18, 2022, 12:08:52 PM
Quote
they can send interceptors and trade pics of each other, heck I got declassified recon pics showing Rooskies and Americans saying hello...nothing new...

I agree. The reports never indicated they violated Russian airspace. If they did it was likely sloppy reporting.

I knew an RC-135 pilot once. He showed photos taken out his window of MIGs. They came up to say hi. They got along just fine.

There's been flipping the bird by American's and Russian's responding with pressing ham on glass...the latter easier for them in a big Bear or Badger...not so much for a fighter interceptor...sometimes the Rooskies would show contraband like a centerfold!
 ::hysterical::

There had always been some good spirited teasing with competent professionalism...hopefully that continues...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 18, 2022, 03:48:30 PM
Talking heads on. Same old same old in Ukr. They say instead of withdrawing Kiev forces to conserve manpower they are feeding more into Donbass to reduce ground lost for political purposes. Usually attackers lose more men than defenders but that is not the case here. Politicians can hide dead men but not lines on the map.

Zelensky replaced some military guy. Perhaps because the military wanted to keep soldiers alive.

I have been cursed with a long love for commie anthems. After hearing it I found myself humming the Internationale. They made Doctor Zhivago in Spain during Franco. During filming they has scenes where they had crowds singing The Internationale. The police went nuts and swooped down like white on rice. Much of Reds, including the Internationale scene, was filmed in St. Petersburg I think. Maybe Finland?

Back in 1973 I heard a drum and bugle corps play the Russian movie song Let's Go. I loved it.Took decades for me to find Let's Go because I had the name wrong.  Back at ACOC Starman found a song for me that I heard in Reds, with the lyrics. I also love the Russian national anthem. It used to be the Soviet anthem so they kept the music and changed the words.

Here is your dose of Russian propaganda.
Let's Go
https://youtu.be/_jqOGpzNrg4

Russia national Anthem
https://youtu.be/VJcnuZB4Xt4

Our Locomotive, used in Reds. Starman found this.
https://youtu.be/j6ytajj6Zow

Isinbaeva rocks the Russia National Anthem. Pole vault porn.
https://youtu.be/ul_qm3Ym8-k




Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 18, 2022, 05:10:27 PM

I had on some video blog a while back about what school is like in Russia. It was done by one of many amateur video bloggers. She took videos in a school. She said that in some regions there are two official languages and both are taught.  I never studied about modern Russia. Then I found this.  All 22 republics have Russian as an official language and all but one have another official language ranging from 1 to 4 additional official languages. Most have just one additional. I had no idea.



Maybe this explains why some Chechens are fighting on the side of Russia??????? Maybe they got enough autonomy? I could never figure that out.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-republics-of-russia.html (https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-republics-of-russia.html)
The Federation of Russia is divided into 85 constituent units known as federal subjects. Of the 85 federal subjects, 21 are republics (22 if Crimea is included). The republics of Russia differ from other federal subjects in that they operate under their own constitution and have a right to establish own language. The republics are also granted extensive autonomy, though the level of the autonomy varies. Before 2010, the chief executives were being referred to as presidents. However, the federal laws were amended which reserved the title exclusively to the head of state. The republics also have their own assemblies that have often passed laws that are at odds with the federal laws.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 30, 2022, 05:11:18 PM

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html (https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/08/will-europe-go-down-to-defeat-before-ukraine.html)
Factories that produce ammonia — an ingredient to make fertiliser — announced the suspension of their operations in Poland, Italy, Hungary and Norway this week.

https://rumble.com/v1hhv8b-2022-08-27-dont-eat-your-pets.html (https://rumble.com/v1hhv8b-2022-08-27-dont-eat-your-pets.html)
Jacob Dreizin predicts even worse fertilizer shortages next year, less grain/soybeans, less animal feed, livestock culls.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 01, 2022, 10:08:17 AM
Ukraine has become just another Syria, Lebanon...pick a failed state used as a playground by greedy selfish elitist bastards running practically every country on the planet...

Tuning this one out too, don't care...everybody can get sucked into a maelstrom and perish...wtf does it matter now?  Insanity is contagious and everybody has it.

 ::mooning::

PS - His old boss kicks the bucket...

(https://theconservativetreehouse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/mikhael-Gorbachev.jpg)

...and his response to blow off the funeral on a lame excuse because he's still butthurt Gorby failed to get a no NATO expansion deal before the collapse of the worker's paradise says it all.

LOL!

I so do not care what happens to any of these clowns!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 01, 2022, 02:34:16 PM
Didn't Gorby visit Minneapolis long ago to a royal welcome?
Yup.
https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/01/gorbachevs-1990-visit-to-minnesota (https://www.axios.com/local/twin-cities/2022/09/01/gorbachevs-1990-visit-to-minnesota)
https://youtu.be/HW6h0uS-X9o (https://youtu.be/HW6h0uS-X9o)
Gorbachevs In Minnesota June 3, 1990 - Live Coverage
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 01, 2022, 03:00:18 PM

https://www.rt.com/news/561934-baerbock-ukraine-voters-sanctions/ (https://www.rt.com/news/561934-baerbock-ukraine-voters-sanctions/)
https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1565067553671626760 (https://twitter.com/ivan_8848/status/1565067553671626760)
...
“If I give the promise to people in Ukraine – ‘We stand with you, as long as you need us’ – then I want to deliver. No matter what my German voters think, but I want to deliver to the people of Ukraine,” Baerbock said at one point.

“I have to be clear that this holds on as long as Ukraine needs me,” she said, referring to the EU embargo against Russia.
...
Baerbock’s fellow Green party member, Robert Habeck, the economy and climate change minister, told reporters on Wednesday that these “social measures” may include subsidies, a “changed market structure” for energy, and a budget that would shift the burden for electricity prices from the citizens, as well as price caps.
...

In an opinion piece published on Wednesday in Zeit Online, Baerbock argued there was “no going back” to the world before February 24, and that Germany and the EU will have to wage a long economic, sanctions, and propaganda struggle against Russia.

“We have to face reality: this Russia will remain a threat to peace and security in Europe for the foreseeable future,” she wrote. Baerbock accused Moscow of threatening Europe’s “social peace” by sending “troll armies to undermine our elections” and using “power games” with coal, gas, and oil, presenting the Greens’ long-standing environmentalist agenda as a matter of national security.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 02, 2022, 08:57:27 AM
Members of the Gulag, your Motherland needs you!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-says-russia-has-severe-manpower-shortages-recruiting-prisons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intel-says-russia-has-severe-manpower-shortages-recruiting-prisons)

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 02, 2022, 05:01:34 PM

So there was some anti war Russian woman.  She was very anti-war and hated what Russia had done. She was so shamed and upset she moved away from the western Russia to work at an animal rehab center in the far east.

Her friend interviewed civilians in the Donbass. She translated the conversations into subtitles for her. Then some guy, a brother,  had escaped Ukraine through Russian and a friend needed help so he could leave Russia fore the west.

She could not reconcile what she heard from the brother or the citizens.

She agreed to go to the Donbass and personally interviewed the civilians. She saw all the Zs which she thinks are new swastikas. WTF?
Etc.
She said Russians are taught Russians and Ukr are brother slavs.
They found Ukr childrens book from age 7 upward.
The books teach that Ukr and Russians have nothing in common and Russians are evil and are to be hated.
https://youtu.be/0OysQ7yQl_o
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/0OysQ7yQl_o[/lowkeysays]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 07, 2022, 10:05:38 AM
I had some talking heads on earlier while half asleep.
There is some upcoming "Rammstein" donor conference.
Kiev needs to show some progress to keep the funds coming in.
Kiev ordered some assault on a small, abandoned village not controlled by Kiev or Russia.
This was said to be in no mans land.
Kiev captured the village on video. Raised their flag over the village, then left in a hurry.
They lost 2 dead when the Russians or DPR discovered them.
So they got their fund raising video.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 08, 2022, 09:24:00 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant)

 ::slapfight::

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 09, 2022, 03:30:34 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant)

 ::slapfight::

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 ::laughonfloor::

IAEA report did not conclude who was shelling the plant. People are mocking them for this.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2022, 08:36:23 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/whats-happening-ukraines-occupied-nuclear-plant)

 ::slapfight::

Yawn.

Whatever, don't care.

Funniest thing I did hear though...Ukrainians using chicks on dating sites enticing Russians in-theater to reveal their locations for hookups and then launching artillery and rocket strikes...

 ::laughonfloor::

IAEA report did not conclude who was shelling the plant. People are mocking them for this.

Not surprised...cowards never want to point fingers.

See this?  (Not printing the Newsweak BS for obvious reasons) -

Many military and Russian analysts are claiming that the rout of Russian forces around Kharkiv is a “pivotal moment” in the war. It very well may be. Pro-Putin Russian bloggers are bitterly denouncing the military and even Putin himself for the sorry state of affairs that has led the Russian military to this low point.

(Also not reprinting the Putin will use tactical nukes stuff, rendering Ukraine uninhabitable is the same as losing Ukraine outright and throwing resources to the fire and risking a wider nuclear conflict...I don't care for Putin but I also don't think he is that stupid...and I am not interested in seeing him replaced given that a bigger hardcore nationalist lunatic like Dmitry Patrushev might make the worst fears a reality)  (But then again...who really fricken knows?  See this - I guess we may see if Russia's declaration not to use nukes first is truthful or not. (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/could-russias-sudden-ukraine-retreat-mean-tactical-nuclear-weapons-strike-coming)  (We will also see what Putin's transition from a Special Military Operation to full Declaration of War looks like - Ukraine-Russia going hot? (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-retakes-towns-within-50km-russian-border-amid-rumors-putin-preparing-full)

This Ukrainian is right about this -

Ziperovich, a pro-Ukrainian writer, recognizes this moment of extreme peril.

The Western world simply doesn’t have the luxury of not thinking about these issues, and working to prevent this war from spinning utterly out of control. While it’s emotionally satisfying to call for Putin’s head, that may not be the wisest course of action.

I’ve been called a naive rube and worse for calling for renewed diplomacy with Russia, but I’ll risk that label. Eventually, Ukraine must try to leverage its mounting progress on the battlefield into some kind of negotiated peace, backed by the White House and NATO. Diplomatic conduits to the Kremlin must be explored, in Tel Aviv, Beijing, Ankara; Washington should feel out whomever is still talking to the Kremlin, and see if negotiations are a possibility.

Peace must be the ultimate goal here, even as the fighting continues. In that brief window of time right before Vladimir Putin is toppled, when he could theoretically use nuclear weapons, there should be another option available to him: diplomacy.

Moral maximalism won’t end this war.

Too bad the illegitimate corrupt filth in the White House and the morons in NATO want ashes.  (See this - What has been torpedoed once can be torpedoed repeatedly)  (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-did-us-torpedo-april-ukraine-war-negotiated-settlement)

As for this...

It’s strange that the “peace faction” of the Democratic Party has suddenly lost its voice. In fact, few politicians are opposing Biden’s war. Despite the stakes being higher than at any time in the post-World War II world, with nuclear war being a real possibility, no prominent Democrats are calling for negotiations or even a reduction in lethal aid to Ukraine.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/09/11/russia-at-a-tipping-point-as-ukrainian-forces-advance-n1628462 (https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2022/09/11/russia-at-a-tipping-point-as-ukrainian-forces-advance-n1628462)

It's not strange at all, Rick...these people are Communists, they mourned the collapse of the Soviet Union...are butthurt at Reagan and Reaganites for helping cause it...warmly embrace the Communists in Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela and China...tied their Ukraine problem around Russia & Trump's neck and will rather see the Earth destroyed than to reverse course or admit error in any way.

Welcome to Hell on Earth, courtesy of totalitarian trash.

PS - With NATO possibly distracted with an in-house issue (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.new.html#new), the Chi-Com/Taiwan theater in play (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18930.new.html#new) and a looming Israeli strike on Iran...Ukraine may be a sideshow for Western powers.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on September 12, 2022, 09:44:29 AM
Who Could Have Ever Forseen..... (https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=246923)

Quote
..... that any nation that has operating nuclear power plants and gets involved in a war has a very high probability of suffering a catastrophic event screwing their own people?

    "The team closely witnessed shelling in the vicinity of the ZNPP, in particular on 3 Sept. when the team was instructed to evacuate to the ground level of the Administrative Building," a report by IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi to the United Nations Security Council said. "Moreover, the team observed damage at different locations caused by reported events with some of the damage being close to the reactor buildings."

So what?

I remind you that Ukraine started this war, provoking it originally in 2014 with the Maidan "color revolution" stoked in no small part by the United States in which our President's family was extracting money in exchange for his son's "services" on the board of Burisma which did not include any sort of actual knowledge of the industry in which the firm was engaged.

I further remind you that a sitting Senator, John McCain, traveled to Ukraine and gave speeches supporting said revolt.

Then, following said revolt, the new Government which Victoria Nuland, who still makes policy for President Biden, cheered on not only the Maidan Coup itself but in addition we have sat back and allowed said "new government" to shell its own territory because the people who lived in said territory identified with Russia.

And finally, I remind you that Crimea was actually purchased by Russia at the time of Catherine The Great, far before any of this nonsense involving the United States, the USSR and similar took place.  In point of fact said purchase is just as valid as is ours of Louisiana or Alaska, the latter of which occurred in 1867.  In other words the "root" of all of this is territory that was legitimately part of Russia right up until someone decided it was inconvenient for their particular political ends and crafted a story around all of it.

Then if that's not stupid enough that very same part of the globe installed and operates to this day nuclear power plants while stoking violence with one of its neighbors, engaging in color revolutions, assassinations and shelling of people living in its own territory.

Oh what could possibly go wrong?

It seems to me that the use of civilian nuclear power comes with a duty to be damn sure you do not get involved in military conflict less than an all-on nuclear exchange in which case, of course, nobody cares if your plant glows a bit more brightly than the surrounding countryside.

Perhaps, just perhaps, if the IAEA and UN had a hint of common sense their screaming about "non-proliferation" would have and would today include complete sanctions against any nation that engages in such activities, demanding the full shutdown and removal of radioactive material from same as soon as the first instance of that sort of misbehavior occurs.

You can have either nuclear power or you can foment violent revolutions within and beyond your territory, never mind shelling your own citizens.  If you try to have both we'll stop you because if we don't the risk is unacceptable that someone is going to blow up one of those plants, either directly or by disrupting critical supplies.  After all, its rather obvious where they are, they're very big, they're very difficult if not impossible to sufficiently defend against such events and as a result that's the deal.

Of course taking that position would be rather..... unpopular given that there are other nations around the world who both have nuclear power and similar facilities yet don't play nice-nice with their military capabilities, either in threats or acts.

Right?

Yeah.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 12, 2022, 11:34:40 AM

I heard that the Zap nuke plant reactors are all shut down now.
The plant provided 20-25% of Ukr electric power.

Two questions I would have liked had answered were who is shelling the plant and does Russia have any heavy weapons in the plant? Instead the IAEA says Russia should leave the plant. They could have done that from NYC.

It seems all these international agencies get captured and turned political. The Chinese planted some stooge at the WHO long ago over the EU favored guy.  The west captured the OPCW. Their reports on gas attacks in Syria lew up in their faces.

You can learn a lot just by listening. The US military say they want to harm Russia. They do not even pretend to care about the Ukr people. Pro Kiev people in Ukr say they want their sacred land back under their control. They do not even pretend to care about the people there because they mostly hate them. They often say they want the land without the current inhabitants on it.

In the end Ukr people will control the land known as Ukr, likely in several pieces. The Kiev friendly places will be controlled from Kiev. The Russian friendly places will be controlled by the locals. Initially appointed by Russia and later elected, just like in the Kiev controlled areas after the US backed 2014 coup.

After the 2014 coup the US appointed the Ukr leaders, some not even from Ukr. I think that the Ukr governors in various states/oblasts were appointed by Kiev govt even after elections. The local police were now controlled from Kiev. The Kiev govt passed anti Russian language laws, shut down TV stations, threw politicians in jail, etc. In 21 of the 22 Russian republics there is at least one second official language in addition to Russian. That part of the world is not like the US.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2022, 12:31:33 PM
Kinda makes you wonder what all the fuss is about at times, eh?  Apply the KISS principle.

On the Crimea purchase under Catherine the Great comparison to Alaska...the people doing the transaction (buyer and seller) may not always be on the side of the dweller of said lands...but in point of fact...Catherine annexed the Crimea from the Ottoman's after invading it in 1776 and installing her hand-picked Tartar leader Sahin as the Crimean Khan...not entirely popular among the citizens (sound familiar?) and the resulting revolts and rebellions finally resulted in Prince Potemkin pushed for and got Catherine to annex it.  It wasn't until 1783 that the Ottoman's recognized the transfer, so I think foreign policy wunderkind Karl needs to re-educate himself on the history.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on September 12, 2022, 01:29:16 PM
Did money finally change hands for the "annexation"/purchase of Crimea or not?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2022, 03:33:45 PM
Did money finally change hands for the "annexation"/purchase of Crimea or not?

Not that I can tell...

Treaty of Jassy recognized annexation...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Jassy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Jassy)

...reinstated the terms of the earlier treaty of...well I am not spelling this mess...

https://www.prlib.ru/en/history/618929 (https://www.prlib.ru/en/history/618929)

...the 28 articles mention no payment...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_K%C3%BC%C3%A7%C3%BCk_Kaynarca (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_K%C3%BC%C3%A7%C3%BCk_Kaynarca)

...unless you count the exchange of gifts on bestowed upon each enjoy on the frontier in Article 27...

...and Russia pissed in the Turkish pond a half century or so later and started the Crimean War.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 13, 2022, 09:08:51 AM
The timing is highly suspect...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-scale-fighting-breaks-out-between-armenia-azerbaijan (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-scale-fighting-breaks-out-between-armenia-azerbaijan)

...all we need now is for Moldova to go hot and it can be a three-ring circus.

War, lookin' like a never-ending affair...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 13, 2022, 10:19:50 AM
^^^
Plus Poland wants reparations from Germany AND some current territorial dispute from WWII between Germany and Czech.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on September 13, 2022, 11:31:24 AM
The CIA has been pretty busy, I see.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 13, 2022, 11:53:48 AM
With former Blackwater clowns in among the Azov Battalion pushing Russians back...providing real-time intel from our Global Hawks and such sniffing about?  Yeah, just a little busy...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2022, 09:38:38 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-russian-energy-exec-found-dead-fell-overboard-boat-full-speed (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/another-russian-energy-exec-found-dead-fell-overboard-boat-full-speed)

Taken out by a Putin rival or a Western assassin?  Frankly, I think the rival might be more likely...merely because they are likely more competent...

Putin's "sovereign path" with Pals...so long as a path does not step on Russian toes I suspect...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-asias-future-takes-shape-vladivostok-russian-pacific (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-asias-future-takes-shape-vladivostok-russian-pacific)

No doubt Xi feels the same about Communist China...we'll see what the SCO meet reveals, nothing shocking I predict.

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-kicks-naval-war-games-near-group-russian-ships (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-kicks-naval-war-games-near-group-russian-ships)

Jeesh, must be Code Pink Libertarians...exercises in Med anywhere are nothing new...operating near Russians, Chinese...whatever...nothing new...only thing new is people's ignorance.

If anything it is a convenient event at a time where two members are threatening war with each other...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.new.html#new (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.new.html#new)

As for sovereign paths...talk about subjective application!

The Kyiv Security Compact (KSC)—proposed by Andriy Yermak, the head of Zelensky's office, and former NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen—would also establish a "multi-decade" plan of investment, military training, and intelligence sharing to bolster Ukraine's defensive capabilities as the country pursues full NATO membership.

The Kremlin's reaction has been swift and fierce, with Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of Russia Dmitry Medvedev warning that it is "really a prologue to the Third World War" if it gets enacted. He described that nuclear holocaust would be the end result.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prologue-3rd-world-war-kremlin-reacts-security-guarantees-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prologue-3rd-world-war-kremlin-reacts-security-guarantees-ukraine)

Sounds like a promise to escalate to nuclear.  Good to know.  Now, Dmitry, and the rest of the Slavic Imperialists...I hope you realize the socialist totalitarian filth we have contaminating this nation's political scene and the entire bureaucracy are batshyt-crazy and do not care that they get you, Ukrainians and us innocent Americans slaughtered in any holocaust...any projection of power by you is going to trigger a response...they are cornered by their insanity, you are cornered by your own Slavic imperial arrogance.

The innocent and the guilty are all equally f**ked.  Everybody best get used to it.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 14, 2022, 02:15:19 PM


I listened to Ritter, Duran, and New Atlas.
1. Kherson counter attack was suicidal attack over open ground ordered by Ze over the Ukr MOD. Slaughter.
2. Russian presence in Izyum was earlier said to be not to RU advantage.
3. RU drew down forces there by 10x to 20x.
4. US and Ukr knew about #3. RU knew that we knew.
5. Ukr attacked with light infantry over back roads.
6. RU had previously withdrawn most working heavy weapons.
7. RU withdrew  faster than Ukr advanced so little fighting.
8. RU aviation did kill advancing Ukr troops who gained a great deal of land.
9. RU troops had moved to more advantageous position.
10. RU MOD did not consider the massive PR disaster to RU populous who are pissed as hell.

11. RU can win by continuing to grind down Ukr troops at little loss to themselves while waiting for General Winter to reduce support by EU population. The west wants to disrupt that pattern maybe by goading RU into doing something more aggressive.

Vox Day and comments mock the current press on recent Ukraine reporting.
https://voxday.net/2022/09/14/ukraine-is-the-new-hannibal/
Ukraine is the New Hannibal

And apparently the media would like us to believe that the recent Ukrainian offensive is the greatest military maneuver since the double-envelopment at Cannae and Vladimir Putin is now out of options. Checkmate, Putin!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2022, 04:21:55 PM


I listened to Ritter, Duran, and New Atlas.
1. Kherson counter attack was suicidal attack over open ground ordered by Ze over the Ukr MOD. Slaughter.
2. Russian presence in Izyum was earlier said to be not to RU advantage.
3. RU drew down forces there by 10x to 20x.
4. US and Ukr knew about #3. RU knew that we knew.
5. Ukr attacked with light infantry over back roads.
6. RU had previously withdrawn most working heavy weapons.
7. RU withdrew  faster than Ukr advanced so little fighting.
8. RU aviation did kill advancing Ukr troops who gained a great deal of land.
9. RU troops had moved to more advantageous position.
10. RU MOD did not consider the massive PR disaster to RU populous who are pissed as hell.

11. RU can win by continuing to grind down Ukr troops at little loss to themselves while waiting for General Winter to reduce support by EU population. The west wants to disrupt that pattern maybe by goading RU into doing something more aggressive.

Vox Day and comments mock the current press on recent Ukraine reporting.
https://voxday.net/2022/09/14/ukraine-is-the-new-hannibal/
Ukraine is the New Hannibal

And apparently the media would like us to believe that the recent Ukrainian offensive is the greatest military maneuver since the double-envelopment at Cannae and Vladimir Putin is now out of options. Checkmate, Putin!

10-The vassals are often an afterthought (or pawn) for the masters, nothing new there.

11-Only an idiot is unaware that Russians know how to exploit winter (even our woke Pentagon and DeepState know this)...starving freezing Euro's in revolt will remind the Bolsheviks in Brussels...and as I said above I think the Russians can be goaded...their DNA prevents them from refusing bait that calls their Slavic preeminence into question.

As for that latter crap...only an imbecile ignorant of history, like I mean all of it...sees that as a great victory...it had little to do with warfare and more to do about PR.  And, wearing Russian boots...it might be advantageous for them to take the PR hit (explains why they pissed their vassals off, makes it sell better) to suck out some assets in well mapped ground and whack some jubilant foes.

Bottom line...I see things being exceptionally bullish for expanded war...bearish for peaceful resolution.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 14, 2022, 08:57:19 PM
I try to parse all the BS and figure out what is going on.
Some have compared this to the battle of the bulge.
Check out vox day for his commentary.
https://voxday.net/2022/09/14/ukraine-is-the-new-hannibal/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 15, 2022, 09:27:10 AM
Understanding military tactics, leadership, assets and the battlespace and key players can assist with that.

As for the glorious counter-attack...seems my assertion is being collaborated -

Arguably this may have been a one-off. The NATO-run Kiev forces simply can’t do a replay anywhere in Donbass, or in Kherson, or in Mariupol. These are all protected by strong, regular Russian Army units.

It’s practically a given that if the Ukrainians remain around Kharkov and Izyum they will be pulverized by massive Russian artillery. Military analyst Konstantin Sivkov maintains that, “most combat-ready formations of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are now being grounded (…) we managed to lure them into the open and are now systematically destroying them.”
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The next days will show whether Kharkov and Izyum are connected to a much larger NATO push. The mood in NATO-controlled EU is approaching Desperation Row. There’s a strong possibility this counter-offensive signifies NATO entering the war for good, while displaying quite tenuous plausible deniability: their veil of – fake – secrecy cannot disguise the presence of “advisers” and mercenaries all across the spectrum.
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The RGS may opt for a serious strategic strike of the decapitating kind elsewhere – as in changing the subject for the worse (for NATO).

It may opt for sending more troops to protect the front line (without partial mobilization).

And most of all it may enlarge the SMO mandate – going to total destruction of Ukrainian transport/energy infrastructure, from gas fields to thermal power plants, substations, and shutting down nuclear power plants.

Well, it could always be a mix of all of the above: a Russian version of Shock and Awe – generating an unprecedented socio-economic catastrophe. That has already been telegraphed by Moscow: we can revert you to the Stone Age at any time and in a matter of hours (italics mine). Your cities will greet General Winter with zero heating, freezing water, power outages and no connectivity.
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 Exit SMO. Enter War.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-kharkov-game-changer (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-kharkov-game-changer)

I think I've made it clear by now I often do not give much weight to Pepe's postings, he's got a permanent jones for Putin...but in this case I think the blind squirrel found a nut, for his central points I highlighted above dovetail with my own suspicions.

Having said that...back to my 'insanity of the West to not care what happens' meeting 'Russia's Slavic master' mindset...more goading is coming to which the Russian ethos will be unable to avoid...

A senior US defense official said Washington and its allies were discussing Ukraine’s longer term needs, such as air defenses, and whether it might be appropriate to give Kyiv fighter aircraft in the "medium to longer term". To date, the US and its allies have declined to do so.
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But now US defense officials are looking over a new strategy proposal and weapons request submitted by Valeriy Zaluzhny, the commander in chief of Ukraine’s force. WSJ details of the document:

They argued that Russia has long-range cruise missiles that greatly outdistance the systems in the Ukrainian inventory. A turning point could come if the Ukrainians also had longer-range systems, they argued, specifically mentioning the ATACMS.

"The only way to radically change the strategic situation is, without a doubt, for the Armed Forces of Ukraine to launch several consecutive, and ideally, simultaneous counterattacks during the 2023 campaign," they wrote.
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Meanwhile, on Tuesday the White House previewed that yet another fresh arms package for Ukraine is likely to be announced in the coming days. This as Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin has pledged that NATO allies are ready to support the war against Russia for the "long haul".
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ukraine-are-talks-transfer-fighter-jets-longer-range-missiles (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-ukraine-are-talks-transfer-fighter-jets-longer-range-missiles)

Sidebar - Interesting that Ukraine thinks it may be in a position to press issues in 2023...there is still 3 1/2 months of this year left, and Mr. Winter has yet to appear.

Given what Russia said earlier about the KSC...seems the ratcheting up of kinetic options is going to be in Putin's hands.

And the never-resolved Nagorno-Karabakh issue keeps heating up.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/armenia-warns-allies-clashes-could-escalate-war-azerbaijan-has-taken-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/armenia-warns-allies-clashes-could-escalate-war-azerbaijan-has-taken-territory)

Cue more apocalyptic quotations...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 16, 2022, 08:02:04 AM
https://youtu.be/esk9jr_DOfw

Those would be the former Blackwater mercs on safari in Ukraine...no doubt funded with taxpayer funds against taxpayer wishes...

(https://westernrifleshooters.us/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Screenshot_20220915-151525_Chrome-691x1536.jpg)H/T-WRSA@GAB

Dude, the totalitarians running this corrupt illegitimate government do not give a frack about what Russia thinks and they care even less about what we the oppressed fricken citizens think...this needs to penetrate every thick skull pronto, got it?!

Jeepers Cripes!  Some people just like pissing in the wind and blaming others for getting covered in pee...   ::)

PS - More historical support for mine & Pepe's suspicions regarding the recent Kharkov activity...Soviet "Maskirovka" tactics -

https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/fall-like-a-thunderbolt

Also, this is a bit long and get be a bit dry...but essentially, this retired Marine Lt. Gen Riper who is a disciple and practitioner of modern maneuver warfare for which Col. John Boyd (40 second Boyd/maneuver/OODA Loop) is the Godfather of said doctrine (read about Riper's OpFor success as Iranian vs US Navy in the 2002 Millennium Challenge war games...the REMFs hit the reset button and Riper lit them up and walked out..."Nothing was learned from this. And a culture not willing to think hard and test itself does not augur well for the future.") is very concerned that American's may end up fighting practitioners of John Boyd -

https://imetatronink.substack.com/p/a-former-us-marine-corps-officershtml

Well, woke REMF's who've purged all true warriors from their ranks...led by illegitimate corrupt political imbeciles...

Looks grim from this citizen's point of view...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 16, 2022, 12:25:29 PM

I saw a video. If German BASF shuts down for lack of nat gas it will take much of EU manufacturing with it as they are dependent.

As you said, the govt leaders of the EU and Germany  do not care about their citizens.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 16, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
With Mr. Winter coming...Eurotards could find themselves in the middle of a full-blown civil revolt...and only a fellow traveling stooge would blame them for being upset at their idiotic masters...

And, watched SpecOpsMOnkey update a little bit ago...more confirmation that my suspicions around the Kharkov retreat was sucking out the stupid for slaughter...it looks like Russian artillery is lighting up the entire Eastern Ukrainian front...including the recently vacated areas...

And, disturbingly an outfit known for transporting US troops abroad has put some boots on the ground near the Georgia/Albania border...this is as stupid as stupid gets...monumentally stupid beyond even Syrian levels.  Talk about having zero national security interest in an area...you can make a case for Syria (sans stupid reasons like arming crazies) but there is absolutely zip for this useless patch of dirt.

ClownWorld is getting more stupid by the minute...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 18, 2022, 09:41:59 AM


IMO Kharkov  was a Russian screw up but maybe not. Some talking heads said long ago that there was no military reason for Russia to control Izyum. Troops were needed elsewhere much more. So Russia drew down forces near Izyum maybe 10 or 20 fold. Maybe Russia did so and did not expect a Ukr attack. RU withdrew forces in a big hurry so there was almost no fighting.

Ukr said RU left lots of equipment behind but from the videos I saw, not much. There is some Ukr general, maybe head of the Ukr MOD. I cannot recall his whole name, call him Gen. Zu. He went public and opposed the Kherson counter attack but Ze overruled him. I believe it was a slaughter. Gen. Zu had proposed the Izyum attack which was then done successfully. Light infantry moving fast over back roads with no Russian opposition.

Scott Ritter had some interesting comments somewhere. Maybe on the Grayzone? Ukr had crossed a river over pontoon bridges and established a beach head.  RU hit a dam with a missile and the wall of water knocked out the bridges, stranding the Ukr troops on the other side. RU then pounded them.

RU took out power near Kherson but only for a day or two, so likely towers not major equipment. Why? This is civilian infrastructure. Ritter thinks that RU wanted to withdraw forces and establish a second front back further and did not want the Ukr army to over run the second front before it was established. So disrupt troops movements especially  electric trains?

I did not follow the Georgian battles years ago. I recently looked them up and learned that Georgia started the thing. This is not from RU propaganda but from the cameras of the invading Georgian troops as they filmed it like tourists.

I do not follow the Ukr war day to day.

I was watching iEarlGrey and he played a video summary of the previous day's military activity.
The Rybar maps are said to be accurate. The editorial content is pro Russian.
Here is the source.
https://t.me/rybar/38796
or video version
https://youtu.be/MdVgAoUMIrM?t=599
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 18, 2022, 10:07:33 AM

I found some sources for Ukr news. They have been accused of being pro Russian.
New Atlas is former US marine who now lives in Thailand.
He includes links to support what he reports.  He has interesting take on China, SE Asia, and US efforts to subvert countries using US govt funded NGOs.

In this one he has 4-5 links.
https://youtu.be/G3Vt7fmaGns

 US Ammunition Running Low for Ukraine, No Quick Fix for Shortage
94,555 views  Sep 15, 2022  The Western media based on US Army market surveys is taking notice of critical shortages of munitions among US stockpiles and what is available to send Ukraine.

The shortages undoubtedly have and will continue to manifest themselves on the battlefield in the form of Ukrainian forces being constantly outgunned.

References:

Alex below is former diplomat's kid. He grew up in US, Russia, Mexico, maybe elsewhere. From Cyprus. He does not like the EU, in part because of how they treated Cyprus.
https://youtu.be/hECvK7aRp6w
Politico, Hungary’s pro-Russia stance. 'Unnatural' borders. Biden, long range missiles. Update 1

IEarlyGrey is OK. UK expat lives in St. Petersburg with RU wife and kids.
https://youtu.be/3CH9KrLjgm8
'Leaked' Ukrainian Peace Deal. EU Lawmakers "Hungary Is No Longer A Democracy".
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 18, 2022, 02:28:02 PM


As Germany ends itself to spite Russia. Not worth it.
https://youtu.be/hjVbF62fSKk


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As Germany ends itself to spite Russia. Not worth it.
https://youtu.be/hjVbF62fSKk

Richard Wagner: Götterdämmerung - Finale
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 18, 2022, 03:51:42 PM

The content of this 4 1/2 min video is not that important.
The guy asking the questions is from UK and speaks Russian. He was put on the UK sanctions list for doing what he does here. Just like some Russian oligarch or bank. One report said his bank account and house was seized but I am not sure if that is true.
He puts a mic in front of people in the Donbass and asks them questions.
I saw part of the charging documents, he obtained them later,  that he "provided a platform" for pro Russian views.


https://youtu.be/_tA78U7KbJQ
 Lysychansk - The People Speak!! (Uncensored Reportage - Donbass)
5,042 views  Sep 18, 2022  From Lysychansk with truth, once more! Thanks again for all your support of my work, if you'd like to be on my mailing list, send me an email at gwplondon@gmail.com - thanks again, Graham
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 12:30:24 PM
Funny how the maskirovka worked and following up on some front-wide artillery barrages see a counter-offensive...

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1571593010072395776

...must suck to be a piss-poor military leader...

...even suckier is having to follow one...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 02:51:56 PM
Some random thoughts. My impression was that the DPR and LPR did most of the fighting but I thought that view was skewed and wrong. Now I think maybe they did most of the fighting at least early on and the Russians supported them. There was some LPR militia who went public and said they liberated LPR and would go no further. Maybe they were pissed and were saying they did most of the fighting and dying and would not fight past their borders?


This guy has a different take on the military actions near Kharkov.
In short.
The Russians had previously withdrawn most forces.
The Russians had previously removed the civilians who wanted to leave.
Those remaining were anti Russian so they were mostly not left to be screwed over by the Ukr forces.
The Russians withdrew fast so there was little fighting.
There had been no front there. I do not understand what he means exactly.

The Ukr forces were now out in the open and subject to attack.
Russians have been attacking Ukr forces. Maybe this was a trap to kill Ukr troops?
The Russian objective is to kill Ukr troops and they are. "Demilitarization" is their stated goal.
Also retaking the Donbass.
They may or may not hold the land there.
He said the number killed was even worse than in Kherson!!!!

https://youtu.be/v7pW_KqX8QA?t=1181

Betrayal
45,346 views Sep 11, 2022 White noise of propaganda. 9/11.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 02:52:52 PM

ALSO
I am sure there are restrictions on Russian war reporters also. However, there are several reporters all over the Russian/DPR/LPR areas who report what they want. Patrick Lancaster (US ex pat), Graham Phillips (UK), Eva Bartlett (Canada), Telesur, Al Jazzera, France 24, some French woman, and others.


https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/872
[Forwarded from Intel Slava Z]
🇺🇦 Against the background of the “counterattack” in the Kherson direction, which takes place mainly in Telegram, censorship has been increased for Ukrainian journalists. All war correspondents were recalled from the front, in addition, they were given "recommendations", which are in the nature of requirements.

These are the directives:

??Journalists are forbidden to evaluate the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

??Only the military leadership reports on the course of hostilities, that is, you cannot rely on information from ordinary military personnel or field commanders

??It is forbidden to interpret the military situation in an alternative way from the official one

??Your own predictions are prohibited

??Only officials of the Armed Forces of Ukraine report on all military actions, their consequences and results

Such an approach should hide the failed results of the “counterattack” and prevent the demoralization of both the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ordinary Ukrainians.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 04:42:46 PM
Some random thoughts. My impression was that the DPR and LPR did most of the fighting but I thought that view was skewed and wrong. Now I think maybe they did most of the fighting at least early on and the Russians supported them. There was some LPR militia who went public and said they liberated LPR and would go no further. Maybe they were pissed and were saying they did most of the fighting and dying and would not fight past their borders?


This guy has a different take on the military actions near Kharkov.
In short.
The Russians had previously withdrawn most forces.
The Russians had previously removed the civilians who wanted to leave.
Those remaining were anti Russian so they were mostly not left to be screwed over by the Ukr forces.
The Russians withdrew fast so there was little fighting.
There had been no front there. I do not understand what he means exactly.

The Ukr forces were now out in the open and subject to attack.
Russians have been attacking Ukr forces. Maybe this was a trap to kill Ukr troops?

The Russian objective is to kill Ukr troops and they are. "Demilitarization" is their stated goal.
Also retaking the Donbass.
They may or may not hold the land there.
He said the number killed was even worse than in Kherson!!!!

https://youtu.be/v7pW_KqX8QA?t=1181

Betrayal
45,346 views Sep 11, 2022 White noise of propaganda. 9/11.

Yeah, what I've been saying.  Maskirovka!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2022, 04:45:09 PM

ALSO
I am sure there are restrictions on Russian war reporters also. However, there are several reporters all over the Russian/DPR/LPR areas who report what they want. Patrick Lancaster (US ex pat), Graham Phillips (UK), Eva Bartlett (Canada), Telesur, Al Jazzera, France 24, some French woman, and others.


https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/872
[Forwarded from Intel Slava Z]
🇺🇦 Against the background of the “counterattack” in the Kherson direction, which takes place mainly in Telegram, censorship has been increased for Ukrainian journalists. All war correspondents were recalled from the front, in addition, they were given "recommendations", which are in the nature of requirements.

These are the directives:

??Journalists are forbidden to evaluate the actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

??Only the military leadership reports on the course of hostilities, that is, you cannot rely on information from ordinary military personnel or field commanders

??It is forbidden to interpret the military situation in an alternative way from the official one

??Your own predictions are prohibited

??Only officials of the Armed Forces of Ukraine report on all military actions, their consequences and results

Such an approach should hide the failed results of the “counterattack” and prevent the demoralization of both the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and ordinary Ukrainians.

I only trust a reporter in a situation if their host is royally pissed off at them and forcibly removed from the theater and/or killed...otherwise I assume they are doing some level of propaganda or misinformation to whatever extent I deem likely...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 04:57:00 PM
There are some independent reporters wandering around in Russia or DPR or LPR controlled Ukraine. They never reported any interference.
Graham Phillips from UK was put on a UK sanctions list for "providing a platform" to the ethnic Russians who said anti Kiev things. Some German woman had criminal charges filed against her back in Germany for such reporting.  Telesur and Al Jazeera seemed pretty independent.  I think some of what the French reporters reported did not make it on TV. Eva Bartlett is very independent. She has wandered around Gaza and Syria also. Patrick Lancaster from US  has been reporting from Ukr since 2008.




Meanwhile, in Moldova. According to this report, Moldova had a nice gas contract with Russia. The president jumped in bed with the EU and went big on anti Russia sanctions. I have no idea where they get gas from now or at what price but it is higher. Lots of people want her gone with new elections.
I know nothing about this other than what I just saw. These leaders love to screw over their citizens to please their buddies at the EU.

https://youtu.be/iJjldrVsRFY
 
Moldova Government is all set to fall
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on September 19, 2022, 05:30:27 PM
There are some independent reporters wandering around in Russia or DPR or LPR controlled Ukraine. They never reported any interference.
Graham Phillips from UK was put on a UK sanctions list for "providing a platform" to the ethnic Russians who said anti Kiev things. Some German woman had criminal charges filed against her back in Germany for such reporting.  Telesur and Al Jazeera seemed pretty independent.  I think some of what the French reporters reported did not make it on TV. Eva Bartlett is very independent. She has wandered around Gaza and Syria also. Patrick Lancaster from US  has been reporting from Ukr since 2008.




Meanwhile, in Moldova. According to this report, Moldova had a nice gas contract with Russia. The president jumped in bed with the EU and went big on anti Russia sanctions. I have no idea where they get gas from now or at what price but it is higher. Lots of people want her gone with new elections.
I know nothing about this other than what I just saw. These leaders love to screw over their citizens to please their buddies at the EU.

https://youtu.be/iJjldrVsRFY
 
Moldova Government is all set to fall

That's the #1 problem:  it's a HER.  Everywhere there's a HER in a position of power, there's a disaster.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
There are some independent reporters wandering around in Russia or DPR or LPR controlled Ukraine. They never reported any interference.
Graham Phillips from UK was put on a UK sanctions list for "providing a platform" to the ethnic Russians who said anti Kiev things. Some German woman had criminal charges filed against her back in Germany for such reporting.  Telesur and Al Jazeera seemed pretty independent.  I think some of what the French reporters reported did not make it on TV. Eva Bartlett is very independent. She has wandered around Gaza and Syria also. Patrick Lancaster from US  has been reporting from Ukr since 2008.




Meanwhile, in Moldova. According to this report, Moldova had a nice gas contract with Russia. The president jumped in bed with the EU and went big on anti Russia sanctions. I have no idea where they get gas from now or at what price but it is higher. Lots of people want her gone with new elections.
I know nothing about this other than what I just saw. These leaders love to screw over their citizens to please their buddies at the EU.

https://youtu.be/iJjldrVsRFY
 
Moldova Government is all set to fall

That's the #1 problem:  it's a HER.  Everywhere there's a HER in a position of power, there's a disaster.

I am biased against wars now given how many I fell for before. I remember some US debates. The male warmongers were bad  but the women were worse. They wanted to show they were tougher than the men.
Lizz Truss in  UK recently said something about being willing to push the nuclear button if called for.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2022, 08:01:46 AM
There are some independent reporters wandering around in Russia or DPR or LPR controlled Ukraine. They never reported any interference.
Graham Phillips from UK was put on a UK sanctions list for "providing a platform" to the ethnic Russians who said anti Kiev things. Some German woman had criminal charges filed against her back in Germany for such reporting.  Telesur and Al Jazeera seemed pretty independent.  I think some of what the French reporters reported did not make it on TV. Eva Bartlett is very independent. She has wandered around Gaza and Syria also. Patrick Lancaster from US  has been reporting from Ukr since 2008.




Meanwhile, in Moldova. According to this report, Moldova had a nice gas contract with Russia. The president jumped in bed with the EU and went big on anti Russia sanctions. I have no idea where they get gas from now or at what price but it is higher. Lots of people want her gone with new elections.
I know nothing about this other than what I just saw. These leaders love to screw over their citizens to please their buddies at the EU.

https://youtu.be/iJjldrVsRFY (https://youtu.be/iJjldrVsRFY)
 
Moldova Government is all set to fall

That's the #1 problem:  it's a HER.  Everywhere there's a HER in a position of power, there's a disaster.

I am biased against wars now given how many I fell for before. I remember some US debates. The male warmongers were bad  but the women were worse. They wanted to show they were tougher than the men.
Lizz Truss in  UK recently said something about being willing to push the nuclear button if called for.

So does Medvedev, all bigshots agree.

ETA - RT on-board too...

Margarita Simonyan, the Editor-in-chief of state-funded RT news, made the following ominous prediction: "By what is happening and still about to happen, this week marks either the eve of our imminent victory, or the eve of nuclear war. I can't see anything third."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/referendums-set-series-ukraine-regions-national-mobilization-being-pushed-through (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/referendums-set-series-ukraine-regions-national-mobilization-being-pushed-through)

And, complicating matters in the East...Putin throws China under the bus in a ploy to bolster his image at home and in the contested areas of his SMO...

A top Chinese official has expressed support for Russia’s war in Ukraine during his visit to Moscow, apparently believing it was a closed-door meeting. But the Kremlin released the footage to make his remarks known to the entire world.

Li Zhanshu, the third most important Chinese Communist Party (CCP) figure and a member of the Standing Committee of the Politburo, visited Russia from Sept. 7 to 10 before Chinese leader Xi Jinping met with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Uzbekistan on Sept. 15.

Li met with Putin in Vladivostok and later with Vyacheslav Volodin, chairman of the State Duma, and Valentina Matviyenko, chairwoman of the Federation Council, in Moscow, along with leaders of the five political parties of the State Duma.

His low-profile visit to Russia did not attract much attention until a video went viral on social media platforms such as Twitter, causing public outcry.

“With the United States and NATO now at Russia’s doorstep, it has become an issue concerning Russia’s national security and the lives of its people,” Li claimed.

“Under such circumstances, Russia takes some measures that it deems appropriate, and China fully understands the necessity of all the measures taken by Russia aimed at protecting its key interests. We are providing our assistance.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-publicizes-beijings-supportive-statement-while-chinas-state-media-keeps-silent (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-publicizes-beijings-supportive-statement-while-chinas-state-media-keeps-silent)

Nice pals.

I always said from Day One...once they have conquered the West and/or rendered them impotent...these two would devour each other.

Not that I GAFF...now or ever...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2022, 11:52:20 AM

The supposed RU-China split over the exposed remarks seems real tepid to me. I did not see anything new.
The Chinese remarks were always like that to me.
The Duran had a video where they said that the recent Samarkand meeting which included China, India, and Russia, was to get their support or at least no opposition to referendums in the DPR and LPR.
More interesting to me than most of their stuff.

I think RU and china have to be allies given the sanctions from the US and west to so many countries.
Like Kissinger said, it is bad to be a US enemy but worse to be an ally. China gets energy, food, and raw materials and RU gets consumer goods and electronics. They would be fools to break up that deal.

US policy used to be to split RU and China, now we drove them together. I suspect the US is trying to play up a RU china split over nothing.

With Trump I always required direct quotes, not the MSM version of what he said. Same now for Putin and the RU MOD and Foreign Service. I do not give much weight to what RU media or  politicians or even most govt officials say. They are like counter parts in the US.

I have been seeing headlines about Putin being desperate and even resorting to nukes for a long time. I do not follow Ukr battles day to day. The more I hear the more it seems that the withdrawal from Kharkov area was long planned and strategic. There was  a lack of real fighting.  RU never set up local govt admins? The Duran video below is 27 min long but more interesting to me than most. RU has been working hard to at least keep most countries from opposing their actions, through modulating their actions and diplomacy. Most recently at Samarkand. Referendums mean attacks on DPR and LPR are attacks on RU.

https://youtu.be/qskLuWb0GEM
Referendums. Special Military Operation coming to an end?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2022, 12:24:43 PM

The supposed RU-China split over the exposed remarks seems real tepid to me. I did not see anything new.
The Chinese remarks were always like that to me.
The Duran had a video where they said that the recent Samarkand meeting which included China, India, and Russia, was to get their support or at least no opposition to referendums in the DPR and LPR.
More interesting to me than most of their stuff.

I think RU and china have to be allies given the sanctions from the US and west to so many countries.
Like Kissinger said, it is bad to be a US enemy but worse to be an ally. China gets energy, food, and raw materials and RU gets consumer goods and electronics. They would be fools to break up that deal.

US policy used to be to split RU and China, now we drove them together. I suspect the US is trying to play up a RU china split over nothing.

With Trump I always required direct quotes, not the MSM version of what he said. Same now for Putin and the RU MOD and Foreign Service. I do not give much weight to what RU media or  politicians or even most govt officials say. They are like counter parts in the US.

I have been seeing headlines about Putin being desperate and even resorting to nukes for a long time. I do not follow Ukr battles day to day. The more I hear the more it seems that the withdrawal from Kharkov area was long planned and strategic. There was  a lack of real fighting.  RU never set up local govt admins? The Duran video below is 27 min long but more interesting to me than most. RU has been working hard to at least keep most countries from opposing their actions, through modulating their actions and diplomacy. Most recently at Samarkand. Referendums mean attacks on DPR and LPR are attacks on RU.

https://youtu.be/qskLuWb0GEM
Referendums. Special Military Operation coming to an end?

Are you denying he met Li, that Li didn't say what he said or that the meeting was recorded and released by Russian state media or alleging it was made up?  It's telling that neither Xi denounced it as a fabrication of any kind...that Putin didn't declare it a fabrication of any kind...that any Russophile loyal bloggers/vloggers didn't denounce it as fabricated...

Seems to me where interested parties agree on the facts or do not dispute them that even state reporting from time to time can surprisingly be accurate.  This to me appears as one of those times.  So while I agree our clowns in the West probably would like to drive a wedge between them...I think it is poor timing because right now the West is their primary common foe...and rift, as I said earlier, is likely to be in the supremacy struggle between them in the post-war scarred-earth sweepstakes...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2022, 12:35:46 PM

The supposed RU-China split over the exposed remarks seems real tepid to me. I did not see anything new.
The Chinese remarks were always like that to me.
The Duran had a video where they said that the recent Samarkand meeting which included China, India, and Russia, was to get their support or at least no opposition to referendums in the DPR and LPR.
More interesting to me than most of their stuff.

I think RU and china have to be allies given the sanctions from the US and west to so many countries.
Like Kissinger said, it is bad to be a US enemy but worse to be an ally. China gets energy, food, and raw materials and RU gets consumer goods and electronics. They would be fools to break up that deal.

US policy used to be to split RU and China, now we drove them together. I suspect the US is trying to play up a RU china split over nothing.

With Trump I always required direct quotes, not the MSM version of what he said. Same now for Putin and the RU MOD and Foreign Service. I do not give much weight to what RU media or  politicians or even most govt officials say. They are like counter parts in the US.

I have been seeing headlines about Putin being desperate and even resorting to nukes for a long time. I do not follow Ukr battles day to day. The more I hear the more it seems that the withdrawal from Kharkov area was long planned and strategic. There was  a lack of real fighting.  RU never set up local govt admins? The Duran video below is 27 min long but more interesting to me than most. RU has been working hard to at least keep most countries from opposing their actions, through modulating their actions and diplomacy. Most recently at Samarkand. Referendums mean attacks on DPR and LPR are attacks on RU.

https://youtu.be/qskLuWb0GEM
Referendums. Special Military Operation coming to an end?

Are you denying he met Li, that Li didn't say what he said or that the meeting was recorded and released by Russian state media or alleging it was made up?  It's telling that neither Xi denounced it as a fabrication of any kind...that Putin didn't declare it a fabrication of any kind...that any Russophile loyal bloggers/vloggers didn't denounce it as fabricated...

Seems to me where interested parties agree on the facts or do not dispute them that even state reporting from time to time can surprisingly be accurate.  This to me appears as one of those times.  So while I agree our clowns in the West probably would like to drive a wedge between them...I think it is poor timing because right now the West is their primary common foe...and rift, as I said earlier, is likely to be in the supremacy struggle between them in the post-war scarred-earth sweepstakes...

I do not hang on every word of the various diplomats but China and RU use very measured words.
My memory is not perfect. My impression of Chinese pronouncements were never support for the invasion but a statement that RU has a right a look out for their interests. Vague. My memory may be faulty. I expect a lack of stated support from China for any referendums  and maybe a failure to condemn. I always suspected Chinese support for the invasion but it was never said out loud. RU punched NATO in nose. What's not to like from China's point of view. They love it.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2022, 12:51:43 PM
I looked at the language again from the CCP.
Quote
    “With the United States and NATO now at Russia’s doorstep, it has become an issue concerning Russia’s national security and the lives of its people,” Li claimed.

    “Under such circumstances, Russia takes some measures that it deems appropriate, and China fully understands the necessity of all the measures taken by Russia aimed at protecting its key interests. We are providing our assistance.”

I cannot compare to previous language. It seems the same to what I remember. "china understands the necessity" may be stronger language than before.

China "providing assistance" is well known just reading the blogs from Russia. EU cars are replaced with Chinese cars. Chinese phones I think. Chinese union pay credit cards? EU leaves a hole and China fills it.

China did not say "military assistance" but that may be true. I recall China refused to say they would or would NOT supply Chinese drones but I suspect they are supplying commercial/hobby drones because they are a nation of merchants and hustlers.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2022, 07:14:28 PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/state-department-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfer-report (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/state-department-stops-publishing-military-expenditures-arms-transfer-report)
US Ends Reports On Military Costs, Arms Transfers
Tyler Durden's Photo
by Tyler Durden
Tuesday, Sep 20, 2022 - 07:05 PM

Authored by Dave DeCamp via AntiWar.com,

The State Department announced in August that it will no longer publish World Military Expenditures and Arms Transfers (WMEAT) reports, which have been released by the US government since the 1960s.

The WMEATs detail US global military spending, arms transfers, and related data for each country in the world. The 2022 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) included an amendment that repealed a 1994 provision requiring the State Department to publish a WMEAT each year.

"Section 5114(b)(4) of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2022 repealed the 1994 statutory provision that required the Department of State to publish an edition of WMEAT every year. Consistent with this repeal, the Department of State will cease to produce and publish WMEAT," the State Department said on its website.

The State Department said that the report it published in 2021 was the "final edition" of the WMEAT. The 2021 WMEAT covered an 11-year period from 2009 through 2019 and found that the US was by far the world’s largest arms dealer.

During that period, about "79 percent of world arms trade by value appears to have been supplied by the United States."

The discontinuation of the WMEAT reports, which reduces the US government’s transparency, comes as the US is shipping billions of dollars worth of arms into Ukraine with virtually no oversight.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2022, 08:34:17 AM
Who reads bills?  Not commies or cucks...outside interests write the crap, staffers compile it into a bill and tell their masters that their masters have it set and they pass the crap with little to no debate and get miffed if We The People don't like it...so they come up with new ways to cut us out and screw us over...

Just like in any other sh*t run country on Earth...

Whatever, nobody will bitch much pretty soon...everybody will be gone...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-major-ukraine-war-escalation (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-major-ukraine-war-escalation)

Vlad is basically claiming victim status (I thought he was weathering all sanctions and adversity with aplomb and without any hardship?), calling up reserves (never a good sign), annexing the 4 territories it took (possession is 10/10ths the law), calls his opponents Nazis (no mention if Utkin took offense) and says he "is not bluffing" if the West thinks he won't use nukes to protect Russia or himself.

So, I guess hurl whatever names one wishes at me....but I believe Putin...but I also believe the communist assholes and enabling Quisling cucks like McConnell, Romney et al running this country and its people into the sh*tter don't GAFF about us or the nation or anybody on the planet but their masters (all who obviously serve Satan) so any such statement, any such warning that Putin is not bluffing already fell on deaf ears...as far as I can determine there is nothing preventing global annihilation.

For certain the seems-scripted-to-me Chubby Commie Panda plea for ceasefire and negotiation statement (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-reacts-putin-speech-urges-immediate-ceasefire-dialogue) is going to have zero effect on Russia as Vlad as already deemed negotiations pointless and the West has already been blamed.

I'm sure the dead will care who was to blame...and the living not yet dead will be just as interested...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2022, 09:17:58 AM
Who reads bills?  Not commies or cucks...outside interests write the crap, staffers compile it into a bill and tell their masters that their masters have it set and they pass the crap with little to no debate and get miffed if We The People don't like it...so they come up with new ways to cut us out and screw us over...

Just like in any other sh*t run country on Earth...
...

Remember the olden times, when there was a US  anti-war lobby?

Liz Truss has some tweets. Almost no mention of the country she represents. Pure globalist crap.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572268173256171520
My focus at the @UN
 General Assembly is to continue working with our international partners to fix the global energy crisis, support Ukraine and defend freedom and democracy around the world.


https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572289554152886275
Liz Truss
@trussliz
·
19h
United Kingdom government official
President @EmmanuelMacron
 and I are committed to working together to end reliance on Russian energy, deepening 🇬🇧🇫🇷 cooperation to reduce volatility in the market and cut costs for households.
Putin’s economic blackmail cannot and will not succeed.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572568205843136515
Liz Truss
@trussliz
·
1h
United Kingdom government official
Last night I reaffirmed to Ukrainian First Lady @ZelenskaUA
 and Prime Minister @Denys_Shmyhal
 Britain's steadfast support for the Ukrainian people as they fight to restore their sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The UK will always #StandWithUkraine? 🇬🇧🇺🇦
.....

Poroshenko came out this year and said that Ukr had no intention of implementing the Minsk agreements. They were to buy time to build up the Ukr military. So when Russia says negotiations are pointless they point to that statement. Also the U turn by Ukr at some Istanbul peace talks in the spring.

Years ago there was some UN legal opinion justifying the right of Kosovo to secede from Serbia. Russia opposed this at the time and maybe said that the UN/US would  live to regret this. Now Russia can just change the names and use this opinion to justify the right of the Donbass to secede.

The US has been in a lot of wars in the past few decades, even if they were not called wars.
Of course they were all legally justified by the US in some way under international law.
Now Russia just swaps around some names to justify damn near anything.
This year Russia recognized LPR and DPR as independent countries then established some mutual defense agreement then intervened ahead of an imminent Ukr attack.

Meanwhile, while the US and west were pumping arms and money into Ukraine, the Chinese were making friends around the world. Yes, I know they are self serving.
A high speed train just arrived on the Chinese built rail line into land locked Laos. Not ready for passengers yet. China is the biggest trading partner for most countries in South America. It used to be the US.
https://youtu.be/sTvenXPVvTo?t=320
Laos China High Speed Train Arrives in Vientiane Laos | Now in Lao

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2022, 09:27:12 AM
Alexander Mercouris said he just returned from a business trip to a city in UK. He stayed in a 4 star hotel at a regional center. His room had no heat, no hot water, and no internet. The hotel manager said he was relying on wedding parties to stay afloat and staying in business was unlikely.  This one hotel is not likely the only one in trouble.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2022, 11:36:41 AM
Who reads bills?  Not commies or cucks...outside interests write the crap, staffers compile it into a bill and tell their masters that their masters have it set and they pass the crap with little to no debate and get miffed if We The People don't like it...so they come up with new ways to cut us out and screw us over...

Just like in any other sh*t run country on Earth...
...

Remember the olden times, when there was a US  anti-war lobby?   That was when America was confronting communists...now that they are full commies themselves...that no longer is a valid consideration for being anti-war.

Liz Truss has some tweets. Almost no mention of the country she represents. Pure globalist crap.
https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572268173256171520
My focus at the @UN
 General Assembly is to continue working with our international partners to fix the global energy crisis, support Ukraine and defend freedom and democracy around the world.


https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572289554152886275
Liz Truss
@trussliz
·
19h
United Kingdom government official
President @EmmanuelMacron
 and I are committed to working together to end reliance on Russian energy, deepening 🇬🇧🇫🇷 cooperation to reduce volatility in the market and cut costs for households.
Putin’s economic blackmail cannot and will not succeed.

https://twitter.com/trussliz/status/1572568205843136515
Liz Truss
@trussliz
·
1h
United Kingdom government official
Last night I reaffirmed to Ukrainian First Lady @ZelenskaUA
 and Prime Minister @Denys_Shmyhal
 Britain's steadfast support for the Ukrainian people as they fight to restore their sovereignty and territorial integrity.

The UK will always #StandWithUkraine? 🇬🇧🇺🇦
.....

Poroshenko came out this year and said that Ukr had no intention of implementing the Minsk agreements. They were to buy time to build up the Ukr military. So when Russia says negotiations are pointless they point to that statement. Also the U turn by Ukr at some Istanbul peace talks in the spring.  At least Poroshenko is honest, eh?

Years ago there was some UN legal opinion justifying the right of Kosovo to secede from Serbia. Russia opposed this at the time and maybe said that the UN/US would  live to regret this. Now Russia can just change the names and use this opinion to justify the right of the Donbass to secede.  See previous comment - being against something and then embracing it because the other clowns did it is ethically/morally dubious - either it is always wrong or always right...it may be pragmatic but Kissinger was pragmatic too and look where that sh*t led too!  PS-A true adherent of the rights of people/right of self-determination necessitates secession to be valid in all instances, yes?  Now, what do our leftist dregs think about that?

The US has been in a lot of wars in the past few decades, even if they were not called wars.
Of course they were all legally justified by the US in some way under international law.
Now Russia just swaps around some names to justify damn near anything.
This year Russia recognized LPR and DPR as independent countries then established some mutual defense agreement then intervened ahead of an imminent Ukr attack.

Meanwhile, while the US and west were pumping arms and money into Ukraine, the Chinese were making friends around the world. Yes, I know they are self serving.
A high speed train just arrived on the Chinese built rail line into land locked Laos. Not ready for passengers yet. China is the biggest trading partner for most countries in South America. It used to be the US. That's what happens when people sell their souls for mammon and leave their people hostages of the whims of foreign powers.
https://youtu.be/sTvenXPVvTo?t=320
Laos China High Speed Train Arrives in Vientiane Laos | Now in Lao
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2022, 11:38:45 AM
Alexander Mercouris said he just returned from a business trip to a city in UK. He stayed in a 4 star hotel at a regional center. His room had no heat, no hot water, and no internet. The hotel manager said he was relying on wedding parties to stay afloat and staying in business was unlikely.  This one hotel is not likely the only one in trouble.

Winter could be sporting...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2022, 08:42:40 PM

Back from the dog walk along the tracks.

More on that security agreement from Mar 2022. Here was the proposal tentatively agreed to by Russia and Kiev. Ukr would agree to say they would not join NATO or get nukes. Russia, Kiev, UK, US maybe more would agree to a security agreement in place of NATO. A mini NATO. The US would come to Kiev's aid if Russia attacked but that did not include the Donbass or Crimea. Unsure of the details on that last part.  That last part has lots of holes or question marks in it but not bad for the first pass. Russia then withdrew their forces from around Kiev either as a show of good faith or for other reasons.

Then Boris Johnson came saying the US/UK would never agree to be the guarantors if it did not include Crimea and Donbass plus offered many billions.  Kiev then pulled their offer off the table. Russia concluded that the diplomacy was another ruse like Minsk.

I had heard the above version before from another source.

The more I hear the more I think that the regular Russian army did very little fighting. That is why their death count is so low. They stay in the rear and do artillery and air support and logistics. Just like Syria. When you hear of infantry it is usually LPR, DPR, Chechens, Wagner, or other special battalions. When I saw videos it was from the Chechens, LPR, DPR or maybe some others. In part that was because they took cameras with them maybe more than the Russians. Anyway that puzzle is kinda solved for me.

Then there is the "Somali" brigade or battalion. WTF? It seems there was rag tag bunch that formed a brigade or battalion. Others mocked them and said they looked like a bunch of Somali pirates. They adopted the name.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 22, 2022, 08:46:43 AM
Yes, what nation would dare limit itself and agree to have pieces carved away and be denied any defense?!  Unthinkable!   ::laughonfloor::

Seriously?  Turn it around...

Pro-Russia Ukranian government agrees to join the Russian Federation...West demands a treaty banning Ukraine from having nuclear weapons in its territory and not be a member of the Russian Federation security apparatus and Russia would be banned from intervening in Western Ukraine that has more interest in European relations than Russian, so if it votes itself into being annexed by the West y'all gotta back off...

What do you think the response would be?

Yup.

It's ALL bullsh*t, nobody has clean hands or honorable intentions in Ukraine...zip, zero...nada!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 22, 2022, 03:48:46 PM
Medvedev doubles-down...

Medvedev has taken the president's words further in Thursday statements, stressing that regarding Russian-seized territory and the move to vote in several areas - including the LPR, DPR, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions - "there is no going back" and that even a 'nuclear option' could be on the table.
.
.
.
Russia has announced that not only mobilization capabilities, but also any Russian weapons, including strategic nuclear weapons and weapons based on new principles, could be used for such protection.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-nukes-can-be-used-defend-annexed-ukraine-regions-kremlin-warns (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-nukes-can-be-used-defend-annexed-ukraine-regions-kremlin-warns)

There is no walking back this position without looking like a big fat liar...Vlad said "not bluffing"...and our oppressors here are not going to capitulate to Russia no matter what...and the or what is answered pretty solid now...so it appears nothing can avert the inevitable.

I'd love to be proven wrong...I'm just seeing zero likelihood disaster can be avoided...nobody is interested in backing down...nobody interested in serious talks...too many hard lines folks won't yield on...it's all over but the horror...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 23, 2022, 08:27:19 AM
Yeah, well...we saw some similar scenes here during Vietnam...the last time things looked sour for them was their Afghanistan quagmire...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572863899934019585 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1572863899934019585)

Some of these men look, to be fair...at least middle-aged.  Kind of hard not to see some as cannon fodder...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572969458112544770 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1572969458112544770)

And the younger one's getting drunk and bitching seems about right...I mean, why not?

I like how the ethnic folks like in Dagestan are mocking and laughing and yelling at the recruiter/zampolit...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572924327405707264 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1572924327405707264)

Company management putting draftees on buses...

Tickets for travel abroad have skyrocketed in price, with most being for one-way flights out of the country.

As protest calls circulated online, the Moscow prosecutor's office warned that organizing or participating in such actions could lead to up to 15 years in prison. Authorities issued similar warnings ahead of other protests recently. Wednesday's were the first nationwide anti-war protests since the fighting began in late February.

The state communication watchdog Roskomnadzor also warned media that access to their websites would be blocked for transmitting "false information" about the mobilization. It was unclear exactly what that meant.

Doesn't seem to be a deterrent at present...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572645894968987648 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1572645894968987648)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572627156273926145 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1572627156273926145)

Well, they got one, LOL.

"During a televised interview on Wednesday, Shoigu said Russia would be targeting 300,000 draftees, mainly those with recent military experience. But the actual number in an order signed by Putin is secret."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mobilization-begins-scenes-around-russia-what-are-we-going (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mobilization-begins-scenes-around-russia-what-are-we-going)

Looks like Shoigu resurfaced...we know its him, a re-programmed him or a replacement look-alike him?

Well, whatever...

This is starting to look a bit desperate, and it could backfire into more and more domestic dissent than they've experienced since the Soviet collapse.

Seems to be confirmation of the older gents being grabbed and the inexperienced -

“It’s not a partial mobilisation, it’s a 100% mobilisation,” said Alexandra Garmazhapova, president of the Free Buryatia Foundation, an activist group that has reported on the draft in the region. In the past day, she said, she and her colleagues had received and identified more than 3,000 reports of povestka, or draft papers, being delivered in Buryatia within just 24 hours of Vladimir Putin announcing the draft.

Despite assurances that Russia would be seeking men who had recently served in the army and had combat experience, activists pointed to a number of cases of men in their 50s receiving draft notices.

One woman said a 52-year-old relative had been delivered a povestka shortly before the president announced the draft the previous day.

Yanina Nimayeva, a journalist from Ulan-Ude in Buryatia, complained that her 38-year-old husband had received a draft notice despite never having served in the army.

“‘Don’t you have five children?’ they asked him. My husband laughed and said ‘yes, five kids’. ‘Well, OK, expect your draft papers,’” she said.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/russia-mobilisation-ukraine-war-army-drive (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/22/russia-mobilisation-ukraine-war-army-drive)

On the GTFO scene -

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1572946993814568966 (https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1572946993814568966)

Agree with comments that say some must be allowed to skitter, or they'll drag down morale...

Though the Euro position on the receiving end is unsurprisingly schizophrenic...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-divided-giving-asylum-russians-fleeing-mobilization (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-divided-giving-asylum-russians-fleeing-mobilization)

And the recent prisoner exchange is not going over well among many Russians...exacerbating declining domestic tranquility further...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/azov-fighters-pro-kremlin-oligarch-biggest-prisoner-swap-war-has-outraged-some-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/azov-fighters-pro-kremlin-oligarch-biggest-prisoner-swap-war-has-outraged-some-russia)

And I don't thnk production can be sped up enough to matter...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-prepares-ramp-stealth-jet-production-amid-rising-threat-war-west (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-prepares-ramp-stealth-jet-production-amid-rising-threat-war-west)

...if you don't have it now...it probably won't come into play...

If anybody thinks things are going to get better they are just not capable of rational thought...

ETA  for smart-ass comment...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/russia-claims-eliminated-former-blackwater-mercs-azov-fighters-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/russia-claims-eliminated-former-blackwater-mercs-azov-fighters-ukraine/)

So, Ukrainian and American Nazi's are eliminated?  Can we negotiate a ceasefire now?

Hello?

(crickets)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 23, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
Yes, what nation would dare limit itself and agree to have pieces carved away and be denied any defense?!  Unthinkable!   ::laughonfloor::

Seriously?  Turn it around...

Pro-Russia Ukranian government agrees to join the Russian Federation...West demands a treaty banning Ukraine from having nuclear weapons in its territory and not be a member of the Russian Federation security apparatus and Russia would be banned from intervening in Western Ukraine that has more interest in European relations than Russian, so if it votes itself into being annexed by the West y'all gotta back off...

What do you think the response would be?

Yup.

It's ALL bullsh*t, nobody has clean hands or honorable intentions in Ukraine...zip, zero...nada!!!

This agreement was tentatively agreed to in the spring as a way to end the war. IMO the Minsk agreements would have been better, keeping the Donbass inside of Ukr. BUT warmongers gotta war. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 23, 2022, 04:22:04 PM
Yes, what nation would dare limit itself and agree to have pieces carved away and be denied any defense?!  Unthinkable!   ::laughonfloor::

Seriously?  Turn it around...

Pro-Russia Ukranian government agrees to join the Russian Federation...West demands a treaty banning Ukraine from having nuclear weapons in its territory and not be a member of the Russian Federation security apparatus and Russia would be banned from intervening in Western Ukraine that has more interest in European relations than Russian, so if it votes itself into being annexed by the West y'all gotta back off...

What do you think the response would be?

Yup.

It's ALL bullsh*t, nobody has clean hands or honorable intentions in Ukraine...zip, zero...nada!!!

This agreement was tentatively agreed to in the spring as a way to end the war. IMO the Minsk agreements would have been better, keeping the Donbass inside of Ukr. BUT warmongers gotta war.

Neither want peace, and they'll get what they want...

It's everybody else, like us, getting taken down a road we do not want...

I blame them all, no discrimination...because I doubt God will discriminate in His judgement either...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 23, 2022, 06:20:24 PM


Tucker let the above proposed agreement out of the bag on TV. Ruh roh.
https://youtu.be/1MJDvr-1Z-A
Tucker Carlson: This is insane


Ursula of EU kinda threatens Italy if their upcoming election goes in the wrong direction. In the first few seconds of the video.

https://youtu.be/g-OMX4FXN_E

Ursula, 'we have tools' if Italy votes wrong way. Peskov, Russian constitution after vote. Update 3
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 24, 2022, 12:54:07 PM
Looks like pre 1965 America.

https://t.me/intelslava/37876

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2022, 09:07:41 AM


Tucker let the above proposed agreement out of the bag on TV. Ruh roh.
https://youtu.be/1MJDvr-1Z-A (https://youtu.be/1MJDvr-1Z-A)
Tucker Carlson: This is insane


Ursula of EU kinda threatens Italy if their upcoming election goes in the wrong direction. In the first few seconds of the video.

https://youtu.be/g-OMX4FXN_E (https://youtu.be/g-OMX4FXN_E)

Ursula, 'we have tools' if Italy votes wrong way. Peskov, Russian constitution after vote. Update 3

As for the former...this situation would not be on the brink of WWIII if the 2020 election was not grotesquely stolen by the corrupt despotic left...once the leftists and the DeepState clowns they are in bed with went all-in on destroying Trump and to this day still push the old (and try to invent new) Russia collusion lies...they were wedded to it no matter what comes of such insanity...it is all we are seeing on the American front from this illegitimate regime...they literally do not care if the world becomes a radioactive cinder...it is preferable to them than having to admit they a dead wrong on EVERYTHING.  This is the calculus the so-called 4D genius Putin needs to understand...there are unsane unrepresentative totalitarian scum leading this nation and pinning all the sins of the world on Trump/Trumpians and Putin/Russians...

The Pentagon is now dusting off the nuclear war playbooks...

The JoeFraud regime as been issuing regular backchannel warnings to Russia about using nuclear weapons in Ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/white-house-sent-multiple-nuclear-warnings-kremlin-backchannels)...Russia keeps doubling-down on the threat...and promises full Russian protection (including nuclear) for annexed territories (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-vows-full-protection-any-annexed-territory-nuclear-threat-grows)...and they've even said deployment of nukes to these areas will happen. 

Nobody believes the other...so no way this ends well.

But we would not be in the total sh*t we are in if not for the DemoCommie/DeepState hijacking of America...

As for the latter...

Those "tools" the bitch of Brussels  (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-commission-president-threatens-italy-eve-election-says-brussels-has-tools-if-wrong) refers to are the same heavy-handed extortions and threats they've been levelling on Hungary and Poland...and their "difficult direction" is anybody threatening their leftist totalitarian government...it's no different than the JoeFraud declaration of war on political enemies here in America...the one thing leftists cannot tolerate is political opponents becoming popular and replacing them in leadership...so "tools" of despotism come into play.  This is their 2016 moment, their hegemony is threatened...next they'll be doing their own 2020 crap too!

With Meloni looking like she'll be the next PM of Italy (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/melonis-right-wing-alliance-wins-clear-majority-italian-elections)...we'll see what the Bitch of Brussels does...but I expect all she'll really do in the end is drive more to shift to political opposition...so my prediction of 2020-level manipulation is practically certain.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2022, 09:18:42 AM
Looks like pre 1965 America.

https://t.me/intelslava/37876 (https://t.me/intelslava/37876)

Sure...the equivalent of comparing patriotic Russians being recruited from patriotic areas...like the conservative Southern states vs. liberally Northern states during the Vietnam buildup...

But, the comparisons do not end with the joyous patriots...they also have their conscientious objectors...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-shuts-borders-russia-military-age-men-flee (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-shuts-borders-russia-military-age-men-flee)

And not all recruits seem properly patriotic...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1573272879655010306 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1573272879655010306)

Dying for what?  Neither side can satisfactorily answer that...this is no noble fight on any side...they are all pawns...

But hey, die on that battlefield...or vaporized in what it breeds...what difference does it make?

Putin's "not bluffing" meets Illegitimate JoeFraud regime's ...see a way out of this that doesn't end in WWIII that is realistic?

 ::unknowncomic:: (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/09/25/sunday-talks-national-security-advisor-jake-sullivan-states-the-u-s-will-never-relinquish-control-of-ukraine-as-a-proxy-state/"will never relinquish"[/url)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2022, 10:33:27 AM
By pre 1965 America I meant the lack of diversity.

Is the Russian draft increasing? I am not sure it is. I believe they called up 300,000 in the reserves. They have to respond and provide current status. Russia cannot absorb that many all on the same day. I believe the conscripts serve to create the reserves. They will not be sent to combat because they are too green. They back fill jobs in the rear. I believe the "contract" soldiers are used in combat.


Some talking heads say that the 'masters of the universe' thought that the west ruled the world because we controlled the finances. Now Russia shows that stuff matters. Like fuel, food, fertilizer.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 26, 2022, 01:44:09 PM
Diversity?

Well, the Dutch didn't bring African slaves to Russia...they already had a long history of exploiting their peasants for manual labor and had no need for such imports...

Lucky them, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2022, 06:04:29 PM
Gen Zu_ of Ukr went public in refusing to take part in any Kherson counter attack because his men would get slaughtered. A charge over flat open ground with no air cover. So Ze over rode him and did it anyway. Gen Zu DID want to take the Kharkov area.

Alexander of Duran read parts of a NYT article about Kherson.
It was a huge slaughter. Senseless. Now Ze is impatient and wants  victories for PR regardless of the cost in lives.

I heard that RU used the attack near Kharkov to kill lots of Ukr troops as RU withdrew fast.

https://youtu.be/JjkOTAPqwj8
Russia Counterblow, NYT Admits Ukraine Massive Losses in Stalled Offensive; UK Teeters on The Brink
.
More Kiev shelling of civilian areas in the east. Perhaps to scare people ahead of the referendums.
This shelling has been going on for 8 years. There is great pressure on Putin to reply in kind.
US supplied artillery is now used for this.

https://youtu.be/CWqeFG7DhIs
Ukraine shelled a completely civilian area of central Donetsk, killing at least 5 civilians. 3 min long.

https://youtu.be/zJpXcwMAVeI
Carnage: Ukraine's terrorism on Donetsk September 19 killed 16 civilians, 9 in one spot. 2 min long.

(https://archive.ph/ut0l6/fde8bf2091bd4c240ccf679510e9d06300b0c81d.jpg)

(https://archive.ph/ut0l6/f0fb2733c9c6330f43dbad0ae1fda0e3c4df681d.jpg)

(https://archive.ph/ut0l6/c4b884d0737af318328aff265a406dae034704fb.jpg)

https://t.me/grahamwphillips/514
🔞 Another deadly day in Donetsk comes to a conclusion, a minimum of seven civilians killed by Ukrainian shelling across Donetsk, including two teenagers, at least six more wounded

https://twitter.com/GraviolaDOTfi/statu ... 2165894144
Graviola Finland
@GraviolaDOTfi
·
Sep 23
#Kiev's Attempt To Disrupt #Referendum Claimed Lives Of At Least 6 #Civilians In #Donetsk (18+) | Sep 22
- the attack was chosen in accordance with the main goal of the #AFU, to kill as many civilians as possible, at noon, when the #market is most #crowded

https://archive.ph/ut0l6
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 26, 2022, 06:31:47 PM
These are almost all voting videos.

The citizen journalists are returning to report on the referendum. I have not found any videos by Eva Bartlett yet or the German woman or the French woman. The shelling of civilian areas has been going on for 8 years. A little more now perhaps because of the upcoming referendums. There is immense pressure on Putin to reply in kind. When these places join Russia that might happen, or not.

Patrick Lancaster reports from Kherson. Support for Russia is less there than in DPR and LPR.
Graham Phillips reports from Lugansk
They cover the voting. Where is CNN? Where is the MSM? On bar stools in Kiev.

https://youtu.be/lgYqusaO2Gg (https://youtu.be/lgYqusaO2Gg)
Today the Referendums To Join Russia Started In Ukraine. Ukraine condemns it calling them a ‘propaganda show’ but never the less the voting begins in Russian-controlled territory of what is internationally recognized as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, & Lugansk Regions (Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics).

Graham Phillips reports from Lugansk
https://youtu.be/kR3r9DyVUfA (https://youtu.be/kR3r9DyVUfA)
Donbass - Referendum Moments 2!!! (Lugansk, LNR - today!! )

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10167 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/10167)

This is the first Lugansk video from Graham Phillips.  If you want to see how the voting is done the videos, especially the Patrick Lancaster video shows some.

https://youtu.be/0CuiyWNrCV0 (https://youtu.be/0CuiyWNrCV0)
Donbass - Referendum Moments!!! (Lugansk, LNR - today!! )


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHETTkZvyk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsHETTkZvyk)
The Status of Lysychansk, Donbass, LNR
23,706 views
Sep 17, 2022

https://youtu.be/_tA78U7KbJQ (https://youtu.be/_tA78U7KbJQ)
Lysychansk - The People Speak!! (Uncensored Reportage - Donbass)
24,271 views
Sep 18, 2022


There are international election observers on the ground. I came across one in a video.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/3066 (https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/3066)
[Forwarded from Fiorella Isabel News & International Politics (Fiorella)]
[ Video ]
I specialize in elections. From what I’m seeing in this referendum, with IDs, paper ballots, & a clear chain of custody, the DPR, LPR, Kherson, Zaporozhye regions have far more fair & transparent elections than the U.S., in SPITE of attempted shelling by Ukraine. Yet the U.S media-politic calls it a sham.

Meanwhile in the US, black box voting means your vote is done on a machine owned by the subsidiary of a ghost corporation, no paper ballots, no audits, easily hacked, no ID, can vote by mail with no ballot tracking or chain of custody & you’re a terrorist for questioning this.

I was on the ground in Nicaragua when the New York Times lied, saying they were closing polling locations (false) & that their elections were a sham, but along with other journalists, we destroyed that narrative. It seems like what the US calls a “sham” is actual sovereignty.

https://twitter.com/fiorellaisabelm/sta (https://twitter.com/fiorellaisabelm/sta) ... 6gUsnCNYoQ

https://youtu.be/DLrn5GvxC7E (https://youtu.be/DLrn5GvxC7E)

International Observers Show At Ukraine Referendums To Join Russia
Patrick Lancaster
520K subscribers
76,587 views Sep 25, 2022
Referendums To Join Russia are in full process In Ukraine. International Observers(Citizens from other countries asked by Russia to Observer Referendums) have hit the polling stations to observe what is happening and give their opinion on how the referendums in the Russian-controlled territory of what is internationally recognized as Kherson, Zaporizhzhia, Donetsk, & Lugansk Regions (Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics) are going. With Ukraine condemning the referendums calling them a ‘propaganda show’ but never the less the voting began and thousands of people are going to cast their votes.

Also I saw some suicide drones from Iran with delta wings. The 5-10K USD price was low to me.
They are not that special in features.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2022, 08:28:04 AM
Yup, all sides doing their own thing and ignoring their adversary and anything they may say...

Anybody who thinks there is a clean exit out of this is nuts...

There is chatter about documents leaked in Russia that says the real call up of reserves is closer to 1.2M not 300k, 300k doesn't do jack sh*t for Russia, not with stiff penalties for deserters and refuseniks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-enacts-lengthy-prison-sentences-wartime-desertion-refusal-serve), the continued massive money drops corrupt "Russia! Russia! Russia! DemoCommies & Cucks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/congress-stuffs-12bn-ukraine-aid-stopgap-funding-bill), the Euro's stripping their shelves bare and shipping weapons and ammo to Ukraine, NASAMS (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-receipt-longer-range-missiles-its-long-sought-us) in-theatre and...

Russia continuing to pound the East and getting more active in the South - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

I expect the larger call up is right, I think they intend to enter Kyiv and decapitate the government and I expect to see a rapid escalation and braodening of the front all the way up to the Baltic and nukes getting tossed about...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 27, 2022, 09:01:56 AM
When was this video made? I only have the telegram version.
Biden is saying we would end NS2.
Now there were two explosions, blowing up NS1 and NS2.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/3182
Biden If Russia invades .... "There will no longer be a NS2. We will bring an end to it."
How will you do that exactly....?
Biden: "I promise you we will be able to do it. "



https://t.me/rocknrollgeopolitics/4907
THE PLOT THICKENS

And it's getting increasingly hardcore.

The Swedish National Seismic Network registered POWERFUL UNDERWATER EXPLOSIONS exactly in the same area of the immense gas leaks on both Nord Streams pipelines.

Could it be that the usual suspects are SO absolutely desperate that they went for - or subcontracted - a gambit that may be easily unmasked?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 27, 2022, 09:08:08 AM
Yup, all sides doing their own thing and ignoring their adversary and anything they may say...

Anybody who thinks there is a clean exit out of this is nuts...

There is chatter about documents leaked in Russia that says the real call up of reserves is closer to 1.2M not 300k, 300k doesn't do jack sh*t for Russia, not with stiff penalties for deserters and refuseniks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-enacts-lengthy-prison-sentences-wartime-desertion-refusal-serve), the continued massive money drops corrupt "Russia! Russia! Russia! DemoCommies & Cucks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/congress-stuffs-12bn-ukraine-aid-stopgap-funding-bill), the Euro's stripping their shelves bare and shipping weapons and ammo to Ukraine, NASAMS (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-receipt-longer-range-missiles-its-long-sought-us) in-theatre and...

Russia continuing to pound the East and getting more active in the South - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

I expect the larger call up is right, I think they intend to enter Kyiv and decapitate the government and I expect to see a rapid escalation and braodening of the front all the way up to the Baltic and nukes getting tossed about...

The larger call up could be right. I dunno.
What I heard is that privates and sergeants up to 35 years old, jr officers up to 50, and sr officers up to 55 are subject to being called up. There are several exemptions for things like being the sole support for kids and things like that. Students not called up.
I am not sure conscription is any different than before. One year term. I do not think conscripts could see combat even if they begged. IMO some people are panicking to avoid conscription. The reserves may see combat and have reason to flee.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 27, 2022, 09:36:17 AM
Yup, all sides doing their own thing and ignoring their adversary and anything they may say...

Anybody who thinks there is a clean exit out of this is nuts...

There is chatter about documents leaked in Russia that says the real call up of reserves is closer to 1.2M not 300k, 300k doesn't do jack sh*t for Russia, not with stiff penalties for deserters and refuseniks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-enacts-lengthy-prison-sentences-wartime-desertion-refusal-serve), the continued massive money drops corrupt "Russia! Russia! Russia! DemoCommies & Cucks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/congress-stuffs-12bn-ukraine-aid-stopgap-funding-bill), the Euro's stripping their shelves bare and shipping weapons and ammo to Ukraine, NASAMS (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-confirms-receipt-longer-range-missiles-its-long-sought-us) in-theatre and...

Russia continuing to pound the East and getting more active in the South - https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

I expect the larger call up is right, I think they intend to enter Kyiv and decapitate the government and I expect to see a rapid escalation and braodening of the front all the way up to the Baltic and nukes getting tossed about...

The larger call up could be right. I dunno.
What I heard is that privates and sergeants up to 35 years old, jr officers up to 50, and sr officers up to 55 are subject to being called up. There are several exemptions for things like being the sole support for kids and things like that. Students not called up.
I am not sure conscription is any different than before. One year term. I do not think conscripts could see combat even if they begged. IMO some people are panicking to avoid conscription. The reserves may see combat and have reason to flee.

Both Putin and Shoigu said the call up is for men 18-65.  And judging from some clips, they are grabbing older gents.  All signs point to a larger mobilization.  Initially, until trained up/needed they'll be in reserve and support...so it all depends on the attrition rate of the new offensive for those active front line guys...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 29, 2022, 09:03:29 AM
Some wishful thinking but I understand the Soviet hangover and ingrained resentment generating an impulse to poke a stick in a Russian eye...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-urges-russian-anti-war-protesters-overthrow-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lithuania-urges-russian-anti-war-protesters-overthrow-putin)

...just not very likely...unless things go badly and an Ides of March event occurs...

This, however...is proving my previous analysis correct...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-gives-major-speech-part-ukraine-annexation-ceremony (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-gives-major-speech-part-ukraine-annexation-ceremony)

Additionally Putin is expected to make a "major" speech, according to the statement by Dmitry Peskov. Polls in the breakaway republics of Donetsk and Luhansk, and in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, closed by Tuesday evening, and as expected returned an overwhelming "yes" vote.

he annexation will be formalized at the ceremony, and it's likely that President Putin will reiterate warnings against Ukrainian forces attacking the newly declared annexed territories.

Putin said in a televised meeting with officials on Tuesday as voting closed in the four regions: "Saving people in the territories where this referendum is taking place... is the focus of the attention of our entire society and of the entire country."

On Wednesday Russian media declared a huge sweep in favor of the four occupied regions becoming part of Russia. In some of the regions the "yes" vote was at 98% - which was somewhat expected especially in the breakaway Russian speaking republics where the dividing line had already be made clear through years of war going back to 2014.

A White House statement said in response to the "sham" referendums, "The United States will never recognize Ukrainian territory as anything other than part of Ukraine. Russia’s referenda are a sham – a false pretext to try to annex parts of Ukraine by force in flagrant violation of international law, including the United Nations Charter."

It added, "We will continue to support the Ukrainian people and provide them with security assistance to help them defend themselves as they courageously resist Russia’s invasion." About 18% of Ukraine will be claimed by Russia with this annexation announcement.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/refer.jpg)

Yeah, I dunno about 98%...before the Russian invasion/SMO whatever you want to call it I don't think 98% of the people there were "Russian"...so either lots of Ukrainian's got snuffed (by whomever you think responsible, for this exercise lets just say both) that purified the ethnicity make up or the percentage is exaggerated...but to the JoeFraud Regime's point...it's ironic they call the referendums a "sham"...I would love to ask them if it is a US 2020 national election level "sham" or a more or less egregious "sham" than US 2020?  Well, they'd effing lie anyway, so I guess all we can say if they are right about these referendums it is only because cheaters hate other cheaters if it goes against their agenda...

And the part about never recognizing the annexation and Russia determined to hold them...both adamant and inflexible...guarantees escalation and expansion of conflict.

FYI - https://thesurvivalgeek.com/us-nuclear-target-list/ (https://thesurvivalgeek.com/us-nuclear-target-list/)

ETA - Ahhh.....

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/time-germans-can-prevent-world-war-want/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/09/time-germans-can-prevent-world-war-want/)

...what a Pollyanna!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2022, 09:18:20 AM
"Any strikes targeting the new areas after their accession to Russia will be considered aggression against us,"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-putin-declares-annexation-eastern-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-live-putin-declares-annexation-eastern-ukraine)

https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs (https://youtu.be/U06jlgpMtQs)

And this is nothing new...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-increases-surveillance-russias-kaliningrad-nuclear-tensions-heighten (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-increases-surveillance-russias-kaliningrad-nuclear-tensions-heighten)

...been sniffing the Baltics for several months, Poland to Moldova for several months and the Black Sea since Day One...

...anybody watching the heavy-lift, tankers (they feed fighters), drones, 90k Ft spy balloons and ship traffic knows a build-up/step-up has been in play...

...don't expect DeepState JoeFraud puppet regime to care about Vlad's warnings...

https://youtu.be/P6WD7B_I_9c (https://youtu.be/P6WD7B_I_9c)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 30, 2022, 10:43:56 AM


https://t.me/Slavyangrad/11101
23 people were killed and 34 wounded as a result of a Ukrainian strike on a convoy of civilian vehicles on the way to the liberated part of the Zaporozhye region.

This was reported by a representative of the local administration.

So, cars were headed out from Kievcontrolled territory to Russian controlled territory and they were shelled.
Kiev says that they were really just going to the Russian controlled areas to pick up relative so they could bring them back to Kiev controlled areas so the Russians shelled them.

https://youtu.be/UKhs7PbjzvU

I do not care much about the govts in Kiev or Moscow. I care about the people in Ukraine.
Those in the east will now have a chance at peace. They have been shelled for 8 years. Those in the west and north will have to get over not being able to kill Russians in the east. IMO implementing Minsk was 10x better than the current situation.

Blowing up the pipelines was an immature bonehead move. Germany is dead.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 30, 2022, 10:51:12 AM

Interesting guy. Plain spoken.
https://youtu.be/XgVSK0uNDZQ
 GERMANY ATTACKED! - THE DAY JOE BIDEN MURDERED EUROPE
Garland Nixon
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 30, 2022, 11:31:25 AM
LOL

Nobody will have "peace"...

And JoeFraud, Nuland, CIA et al warned NS would go down...

Satan apparently has the world by the balls...which is to say all the world's major leaders and handlers are under demonic influence...any talk of peace is a load of BS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-applies-accelerated-nato-membership-stoltenberg-speak-soon (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-applies-accelerated-nato-membership-stoltenberg-speak-soon)

Just a plethora of common ground between everybody, isn't there?

/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 30, 2022, 12:03:41 PM
I wonder what will change now that Russia regards bombing Donetsk as bombing Russia? They have been very restrained so far and that pisses off Russians to no end. As Ritter and others note, the US would have taken out critical infrastructure on the first day but life is normal in Kiev.

The almost total news black out on some reporting from Ukraine has shocked me.
Some reporters have been criminally charged back in their home countries for sticking a mic in front of civilians and letting them talk. Ukr put several on a kill list. There has been some punishment for people observing the recent referendum.

Kiev has been shelling civilians in the east for 8 years. This used to be reported until the invasion then mostly silence.
The evidence for the purely civilian nature of the targets is
1. The location from any front.
2. The absence of any military or military targets in the videos. BUT occasionally some involved in clean up.
3. The testimony of the locals.

Her is some recent reporting from Eva Bartlett.
Note that you do not see scenes like this much in Kiev and many Russians are pissed about that.
https://youtu.be/0TiC0w8JLu4?t=126

Note this shelling below is reported in the west and Russians shelling those headed for Russian controlled areas.
https://youtu.be/AIS7FfokEk4?t=128
Refugee Convoy Shelled By Ukraine AGAIN. Euro PLUNGES. Putin Orders Mobilization Mistakes Corrected

https://youtu.be/OswXP7TjrBs?t=918
LIVE: Thursday September 29th 2022 - News From Saint Petersburg

More from Eva. Nothing special about these. Just happened when she was there.
https://youtu.be/CWqeFG7DhIs

https://youtu.be/zJpXcwMAVeI
Carnage: Ukraine's terrorism on Donetsk September 19 killed 16 civilians, 9 in one spot.

https://youtu.be/kzew0mXOo2Y
Ukrainian Terrorism of Central Donetsk September 17 Kills 4, Using Western Weapons
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2022, 09:28:21 AM
And I get a little uneasy when the Godfather of Modern Machiavellian Foreign Policy starts sounding reasonable...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-warns-washington-warmongers-not-wise-include-ukraine-nato (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-warns-washington-warmongers-not-wise-include-ukraine-nato)

...but, doesn't matter even if he thinks something is unwise, the lunatics on all sides of this are committed to yield nothing...the crazies in Washington, Moscow & Brussels are not interested in de-scalation and detente was thrown into the sh*tter by The Kenyan and nobody wants to reach back in and touch that...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2022, 08:42:05 AM
Monkey goes into some more on NS hit...starts getting into it around 5:30 mark...(HAAWCs)...

https://youtu.be/XPUwgaAScp8 (https://youtu.be/XPUwgaAScp8)

In other related news...that proves scratching a leftists reveals a fascist...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blue-checks-diplomats-bots-go-ballistic-over-elon-musks-proposed-russia-ukraine-peace (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blue-checks-diplomats-bots-go-ballistic-over-elon-musks-proposed-russia-ukraine-peace)

...yes, going apesh!t over seeking a peaceful resolution...yeah...hilarious, eh?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 05, 2022, 08:20:25 AM
Everything continues to trend badly...

Targeting control?  Yeah, well...not much of a stretch there from where we are already at...

But...

Harry Kazianis wrote in Responsible Statecraft that in multiple war game simulations, Washington sending advanced weapons led to nuclear war.

I have fought more than thirty combat simulations in wargames under my own direction for a private defense contract…In every scenario I tested, the Biden Administration slowly gives Ukraine ever more advanced weapons like ATACMS, F-16s, and other platforms that Russia has consistently warned pose a direct military threat…In fact, in 28 of the thirty scenarios I have run since the war began, some sort of nuclear exchange occurs.

Kazianis does report that in some of the war games, diplomacy, rather than escalation prevailed, and nuclear conflict was averted:

The good news is there is a way out of this crisis — however imperfect it may be. In the two scenarios where nuclear war was averted, direct negotiations led to a ceasefire. The Biden Administration and its NATO allies should be testing Putin’s recent comments about a ceasefire to test his seriousness.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken, America’s top diplomat, has declared Washington’s goal is to see Russia suffer a “strategic defeat” in Ukraine. During the war, he spoke to Lavrov once and for only 25 minutes, they merely discussed a potential bilateral prisoner exchange. Likewise, UK Prime Minister Liz Truss has ruled out diplomacy until Moscow is “defeated.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-offers-white-house-targeting-control-longer-range-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-offers-white-house-targeting-control-longer-range-weapons)

Diplomacy...among these clowns...all of whom want to risk everything...for Ukraine...?

 ::hysterical::

The pinnacle of dark humor that is!

This ends badly...period.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 05, 2022, 09:45:25 AM

There was a lot of NATO military activity near the sites of the pipeline explosions. This does not prove NATO/US did it. It does mean it would hard for someone else to sneak in and do it. I understand that the NATO/US helicopters and maybe the Poseidon have magnetic detection equipment which can detect submarines and pipelines in water that shallow. Also, Denmark has lots of sensors on the seabed to detect Russian subs.

Sen. Black, retired US Col. opines that the US deep state did it and that the Davos crowd benefits by buying up Ukr state assets at fire sale prices.
The CIA/Davos mentioned at 8 min 30 seconds. US mentioned maybe at 6 min.
https://youtu.be/ALb2FPXFro4?t=512
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 05, 2022, 12:14:16 PM
That was the BALTOPS exercises before this line exploded...

HAAWCs seems the likely culprit as only that P8 was around at the very time.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2022, 09:09:06 AM
https://summit.news/2022/10/06/us-intel-concludes-ukraine-was-responsible-for-car-bombing-that-killed-darya-dugina/ (https://summit.news/2022/10/06/us-intel-concludes-ukraine-was-responsible-for-car-bombing-that-killed-darya-dugina/)

Looks like they worked outside of US control...this idiotic suicidal American regime of Joe Fraud gets little respect from anybody...

Well, anyway...expect there will be more assassinations on all sides...

And while I have disagreements with some of this...

https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/10/05/we-survived-the-last-nuclear-standoff-through-compromise-and-de-escalation/ (https://caitlinjohnstone.com/2022/10/05/we-survived-the-last-nuclear-standoff-through-compromise-and-de-escalation/)

...the inescapable conclusion that should be obvious to all is Vlad will hang onto his little bears no matter what and the West led by a psychotic JoeFraud government (and against the majority wishes of its people) is Hell-bent on crushing Russia no matter what...

...there is no JFK-Kruschev type secret de-escalation protocol...there is no Turkey/Cuba de-nuclearization deal...there are NO deals...

...if people are too stupid to understand the catastrophic collision building then shame on them...

Want more evidence?

Your DemoCommie government has the HHS loading up on acute radiation sickness drug Nplate (https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2022/10/05/hhs-explains-purchase-of-290-million-worth-of-drug-for-use-in-radiological-and-nuclear-emergencies/), and only a fool thinks they are saving this up for you...no, the elite are saving it for themselves...most if not all of the 99% will be left to die if they survive any attacks.

At 17:15 Monkey goes into the deployment of the Russian "Doomsday" submarine Belgorod...

https://youtu.be/gjRVX5nK6fk (https://youtu.be/gjRVX5nK6fk)

Swell, sneaky bastard with 6 big nuke torpedoes that are nuclear-powered with a range of 10,000k can sneak attack any coastal area...destroy undersea targets with detachable mini-subs or deploy Spetznaz operations, etc...

It completed sea trials last year, entered service just this past August...and now on its maiden deployment...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11274113/Putin-deploys-Belgorod-nuclear-submarine-amid-sabre-rattling-Ukraine.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11274113/Putin-deploys-Belgorod-nuclear-submarine-amid-sabre-rattling-Ukraine.html)

http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html (http://www.hisutton.com/Belgorod-Class-Submarine.html)

Oh yeah...a negotiated peaceful resolution to this is right around the corner...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 06, 2022, 12:39:58 PM

I hard Poland wants nukes on their soil.
Nothing to worry about ......
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on October 06, 2022, 01:58:50 PM

I hard Poland wants nukes on their soil.
Nothing to worry about ......

Yep, s#!t keeps moving the way it is, Russia will deliver at mach 5.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2022, 04:48:09 PM
Nukes for everybody!

Umm, where's mine?   ::whatgives::

I am an oppressed people...subjugated to totalitarian hatred in official ruling junta edicts...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 07, 2022, 08:53:39 AM
It's so nice that free speech and normal and sane beliefs and Christian morals can be trashed and criminalized with deviants, criminals and wramongers can freely spew their demonic filth unmolested...

Umm, I mean it's not nice but twisted and evil...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-warns-nuclear-armageddon-threat-back-first-time-cuban-missile-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-warns-nuclear-armageddon-threat-back-first-time-cuban-missile-crisis)

So, it appears Sullivan is saying Putin is bluffing and JoeFraud is spewing nuclear word-salad to impress Russia with how totally in-charge the American DemoScat government is on this...

Yup, the world is porked.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/XUFPGrX5Zis6Y/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2022, 11:42:46 AM
What a psychotic dickhead...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-john-bolton-calls-putin-assassination-regime-change (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-john-bolton-calls-putin-assassination-regime-change)

...once that bottle is opened...there is no closing it again, ever!  What an insane jackass!

Only way to de-escalate this is to arrest the clown and put him on ice...but this despotic regime will not do that...they think the same effed up way this asshole does...

And in the latest efforts to expand the war...the Kerch bridge to Crimea...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578632233145237504 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1578632233145237504)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578599814744264704 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1578599814744264704)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578604944415809536 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1578604944415809536)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578641715812270081 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1578641715812270081)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-explosion-destroys-part-key-bridge-linking-russia-crimea-zelensky-aide-says (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-explosion-destroys-part-key-bridge-linking-russia-crimea-zelensky-aide-says)

The positive I see in the push to get nukes flying everywhere...Euros/NATO likely to get hit next after Ukraine is radiated...

Some for-certain targets -

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/18711.jpeg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/heres-where-us-nuclear-bombs-are-stored-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/heres-where-us-nuclear-bombs-are-stored-europe)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/117/466/476/original/19acdb4ed8db3dd1.jpg)
H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2022, 08:51:07 AM
Business Insider has a new article out titled “The sabotage of gas pipelines were a ‘warning shot’ from Putin to the West, and should brace for more subterfuge, Russia experts warn.” The “experts” in question are as follows:

Former CIA director John Brennan, who was caught spying on US lawmakers and lying about it during the Senate’s investigation into CIA torture practices.

US intelligence veteran Andrea Kendall-Taylor, now a Senior Fellow at the warmongering think tank Center for a New American Security, whose top donors are the Pentagon and the arms manufacturer Northrop Grumman.

Cynthia Hooper, a history professor at the College of the Holy Cross.

That’s it; that’s all the experts. Two lying warmongers and a history professor.

Nowhere in the Business Insider article do the words “conspiracy” or “theory” appear. Contrast this with the recent Associated Press article titled “Russians push baseless theory blaming US for burst pipeline,” which was so frantic to spin accusations of US Nord Stream sabotage as a crazy conspiracy theory that it framed it as something only QAnon cultists believe.

“The suggestion that the U.S. caused the damage was circulating on online forums popular with American conservatives and followers of QAnon, a conspiracy theory movement which asserts that Trump is fighting a battle against a Satanic child-trafficking sect that controls world events,” AP wrote.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/johnstone-its-only-conspiracy-theory-when-it-accuses-us-government (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/johnstone-its-only-conspiracy-theory-when-it-accuses-us-government)

 ::hysterical::

Heck, The Old Gray Hag got egg on her face just last week proving a conspiracy theory was a conspiracy fact...only a complete imbecile thinks Russia destroying its own pipeline to Europe and the revenue it generates makes any sense at all...and remember, this opinion is coming from a non-admirer of Putin...

But there are enough idiots to buy a liar's lie...

In other news...

Germany about out of bullets...

https://www.rt.com/news/564341-germany-ammo-shortage-stocks/ (https://www.rt.com/news/564341-germany-ammo-shortage-stocks/)

...whatever, first the idiots followed a psychopath into ruin, sucked off the American teat for decades, hitched themselves to the cheese-eating-surrender-monkeys and now are helping to spur Europe into a new dark age...

Meh

The GUAM bloc may have a say in regional future...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-war-reinvigorates-eurasian-power-bloc (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-war-reinvigorates-eurasian-power-bloc)

...if peace wins...but if hands-off-Putin's-new-terroritories-or-else and America's corrupt illegitimate 4th-kind-led (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/list-those-who-fked-biden) government's never-recognize-Russia's-aggression continues as-is...all bloc's are moot...

And, to emphasize the point...the word "terrorist" has been deployed, certainly not in a de-escalatory manner...by both sides...and both have/are killing civilians...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1579360656595496960 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1579360656595496960)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1579405592481103874 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1579405592481103874)

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/1010attacks.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-scale-strikes-many-cities-across-ukraine-response-terrorist-crimea-bridge-blast (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-scale-strikes-many-cities-across-ukraine-response-terrorist-crimea-bridge-blast)

...all signs point to the war escalating and expanding...the annexations pretty much locked both sides positions...easy to tell since nothing changed...just more waring...

...the complete lack of concern in the lemmings is also a ripe sign...

https://youtu.be/tMJVSvVTXdU (https://youtu.be/tMJVSvVTXdU)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2022, 11:19:09 AM
If I were in charge I would not attack the Crimea bridge because of what would happen next.
Not sure what would happen but it would not be good.
I would guess infrastructure hits. The US would have taken out electric and water the first thing.
It appears that was done this AM. Infrastructure hits with civilians as collateral damage.
In the Donbass the targets are civilian residential areas including schools for 8 years and the MSM does not cover it. Now the MSM is covering such hits on Kiev big time.

I see there is some bill in the US labeling Russian actions as "genocide." Just great. Make that word meaningless like racist.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 10, 2022, 12:44:26 PM
Clownworld

War, sh*t happens...usually not nice sh*t.

And this one is just starting...

And speaking of sh*t...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/dreaming-moment-dirty-anti-trump-liar-alex-vindman-cheers-war-escalation-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/dreaming-moment-dirty-anti-trump-liar-alex-vindman-cheers-war-escalation-ukraine/)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/wth-teachers-union-boss-randi-weingarten-enters-ukraine-assess-situation/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/wth-teachers-union-boss-randi-weingarten-enters-ukraine-assess-situation/)

...I Hope some sh*t happens to that sh*t...

In the meantime watch the war mongers in DemoCommie ranks and Cuck ranks lambast this hardly conservative former JCS Chairman urging de-escalation of rhetoric and kinetic insanity...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1579275012061949952 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1579275012061949952)

This is why it's surprising that someone of the stature of the former chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff has come forward to urge that all sides must get serious about pursuing negotiations. Admiral Mike Mullen served as America's highest military commander spanning the Bush and Obama administrations.

In a weekend interview on ABC's "This Week", he addressed President Joe Biden's recent nuclear "Armageddon" remarks wherein the US president asserted that Vladimir Putin is "not joking" about possibly using nuclear weapons in Ukraine. Mullen said he thinks Washington needs to quickly "back off" such maximalist language, particularly when nuclear war is being talked about:

"President Biden's language -- we're about at the top of the language scale, if you will. And I think we need to back off that a little bit and do everything we possibly can to try to get to the table to resolve this thing," Mullen told "This Week" co-anchor Martha Raddatz.

Mullen continued while being asked about Biden's assertion that "We have not faced the prospect of Armageddon since Kennedy and the Cuban Missile Crisis" by explaining that reaching a point where negotiations can be achieved should remain a central driving policy objective.

Show host Raddatz asked Adm. Mullen: "How do you see him [Putin] saving face if he doesn't come to the table? If Ukraine can't figure anything out?" And the former top commander responded as follows:

Diplomacy and international pressure on both Ukraine and Russia would ultimately be key, Mullen argued. "It's got to end and usually there are negotiations associated with that," he said. "The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned."

Putin is "pretty well cornered and boxed in," Mullen said. And potential use of tactical nuclear weapons could cause problems for Russia's president at home: "The winds all blow back onto Russia, so he would have to, in a way, contaminate his own country."

Forecasting a possible strike, Mullen said Putin "could pick a symbolic target. He could pick [Ukraine President Volodymyr] Zelenskyy’s hometown, for instance."

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-should-back-armageddon-language-quickly-get-russians-negotiating-table-adm (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-should-back-armageddon-language-quickly-get-russians-negotiating-table-adm)

Neither side seems interested in negotiation because neither side is interested in yielding squat...

So, Clownworld will continue on its trajectory...

And history, if there is any...will be written by radiation contaminated survivors...I'm sure they'll not take sides and blame all of the above...as they should...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92c272d8773b53fb9a0f0aab552983575344474d4e6ad4e1e8ea16aad4fa36c7.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2022, 02:09:19 PM

What is sickening and amazing is that most of this Ukr war result was so predictable.
Here is the US/West/Ukr knew.
1. Russia was threatened by eastward NATO expansion.
2. Russia regarded Ukraine as a red line.
3. Ukr had massed 60-80K troops to attack Donbass in Mar 2022
4. After this attack, at the latest, Russia would get involved in the war.
5. The war would create refugees, impact food exports.
6. Sanctioning Russian gas would screw the EU big time.
7. There was NO substitute for Russian gas.
8. Without Russian gas German heavy industry and chemicals would collapse and then German economy and then Germany. Also German citizens would freeze in the dark.

The US/West 'knew' that the resulting sanctions would collapse Russia. They were WRONG.

The above link included a conclusion that Putin was "cornered" and maybe needed to "save face."
What are they smoking?

In WWII the Germans and Japs wanted resources, oil, rubber, mines, ag land. Some slave labor.
What did the western Ukr people stand to gain with this war.? They got to screw over Russians.
All they had to do was let them speak Russian and have a little autonomy, like many multi ethnic countries in Europe.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 10, 2022, 06:10:26 PM

photos at link

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/11405?single
??Today Gazprom representative Sergey Kupriyanov recalled the events on the Nord Stream gas pipeline, which have already been recorded earlier. This case is well known.

??On November 6, 2015, during a planned visual inspection of the Nord Stream gas pipeline, the NATO mine destroyer Sea Fox was discovered, which lay in the space between the strings, clearly under one of them. It was a point 651 km at a depth of 40 meters.

??Then the explosive device was removed by the Swedish armed forces. Gas transportation, stopped due to the emergency, has been restored. NATO said the underwater mine destroyer was "lost" in the exercise.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2022, 09:28:42 AM
Does anybody care, who did what or why...or even know the real why's?  No.

Is anybody backing down?  No.

Will anybody back down?  No.

"They had a deal worked out. It has been reported in multiple sources that they had a deal worked out. And the deal was basically that Vladimir Putin would pull back, he would pull back his troops and leave Ukraine under the condition that ... very simple condition that Ukraine guaranteed autonomy for the Donbas region and agreed to never join NATO."

"Like that was the deal... I'm not saying that's the perfect deal but it's better than what we got right now."

Joe Rogan then chimed in: "It's better than nuclear war."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/joe-rogan-dave-smith-break-down-real-reasons-russia-invaded-ukraine-viral-clip (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/joe-rogan-dave-smith-break-down-real-reasons-russia-invaded-ukraine-viral-clip)

Yeah, also true..also...nobody calling shots cares.

Russia will not give up its new territories...our occupation government and the Eurotards are willing to economically destroy their nations rather than yield an inch in Ukraine.

The fact that people are unable to understand these undeniable facts and rise up and depose all masters illustrates why the we are in this sh*t as much as anything...want fingers pointing to the guilty...point them at ourselves...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/second-day-air-raid-sirens-across-ukraine-energy-facilities-pummeled (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/second-day-air-raid-sirens-across-ukraine-energy-facilities-pummeled)

The war is ratcheting up, it will not stop...

Clownworld...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/92c272d8773b53fb9a0f0aab552983575344474d4e6ad4e1e8ea16aad4fa36c7.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2022, 11:06:57 AM

You can learn a lot by just watching and listening. Moat of what I believe about the Kiev govt comes from watching and listening to them. They say they want their land back. They almost never mention the people on that land, ,because they hate them and prefer the land without the people currently on it.

I see a recent photo of the Ukr head of defense, Gen Zalu..... He has a bracelet on with swastikas. It does say something about him.

I listen to the Kiev troops talk about the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. They say they are sub humans. I listen to the ethnic Russians asked why they are being shelled in the east. "Because they say we are subhumans." or "They want to drive us from the land" or "We are easy to kill." So total agreement there. Why not believe them both?

Then there is US sec def Austin. He says the US goal is to bleed Russia white to harm Russia. The dumb SOB made a mistake and told the truth. He did not even mention Ukrainians because the US does not care about Ukrainians.

Most of the people on the Russian controlled lands in Ukr want to be free of Kiev so that is good enough for me. Some local autonomy used to be enough. Now they know more about the Kiev govt and had enough. I do not care to see them slaughtered by Kiev.

Kiev has been turning civilians in the east into blood splatters for 8 years. Now the MSM goes nuts over the most recent day of Russian attacks. Didn't the US/NATO bomb Serbia for 3 months straight?  I wish the MSM would put this into perspective.

I gave the benefit of the doubt to the US govt for most of the recent wars but not this one as I pay closer attention.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 11, 2022, 12:49:57 PM

You can learn a lot by just watching and listening. Moat of what I believe about the Kiev govt comes from watching and listening to them. They say they want their land back. They almost never mention the people on that land, ,because they hate them and prefer the land without the people currently on it.

I see a recent photo of the Ukr head of defense, Gen Zalu..... He has a bracelet on with swastikas. It does say something about him.

I listen to the Kiev troops talk about the ethnic Russians in Ukraine. They say they are sub humans. I listen to the ethnic Russians asked why they are being shelled in the east. "Because they say we are subhumans." or "They want to drive us from the land" or "We are easy to kill." So total agreement there. Why not believe them both?

Then there is US sec def Austin. He says the US goal is to bleed Russia white to harm Russia. The dumb SOB made a mistake and told the truth. He did not even mention Ukrainians because the US does not care about Ukrainians.

Most of the people on the Russian controlled lands in Ukr want to be free of Kiev so that is good enough for me. Some local autonomy used to be enough. Now they know more about the Kiev govt and had enough. I do not care to see them slaughtered by Kiev.

Kiev has been turning civilians in the east into blood splatters for 8 years. Now the MSM goes nuts over the most recent day of Russian attacks. Didn't the US/NATO bomb Serbia for 3 months straight?  I wish the MSM would put this into perspective.

I gave the benefit of the doubt to the US govt for most of the recent wars but not this one as I pay closer attention.

Yeah...I don't know what to tell ya?

Short answer - who cares?  Seriously, who...and more importantly, who will after the Earth is a radioactive cinder?

Long answer - not sure if you are expecting something impossible to happen...like everybody agrees with you, the wars and hate and suffering end and it's sunshine and harmony and whatever...but it is just totally unrealistic.

Like Zulu Utkin & Wagner Group are Putin's Nazi's...who cares?

Ukrainians oppressed by Russians from Soviet days turn the tables on ethnic Russians and call them sub-humans...who cares?

It's their land, eh?  No need to speak Ukrainian?  Reckon same applies here...immigrant enclaves need not speak English or recognize American laws...must agree with that too.  Who cares?

Neither Russia nor Ukraine or anybody else wants a truly independent Ukraine...under any border scheme.  Who cares?

Will any of this BS matter when the fires of Hell unleash?  Nope.

The blame game will go nowhere...

Because citizens everywhere are to blame for having petty, envious, lustful, greedy low-life immoral trash as leaders...

EVERYWHERE!!!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/10/10/biden-announces-u-s-air-defense-system-for-ukraine-following-retaliatory-russian-missile-attacks/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/10/10/biden-announces-u-s-air-defense-system-for-ukraine-following-retaliatory-russian-missile-attacks/)

https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/2022/10/11/lukashenko-leading-belarus-into-russia-ukraine-war-we-have-agreed-to-deploy-a-regional-grouping-of-the-russian-federation-and-the-republic-of-belarus/ (https://tsarizm.com/news/eastern-europe/2022/10/11/lukashenko-leading-belarus-into-russia-ukraine-war-we-have-agreed-to-deploy-a-regional-grouping-of-the-russian-federation-and-the-republic-of-belarus/)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/biden-administration-best-start-world-war-iii/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/biden-administration-best-start-world-war-iii/)

Point fingers all you want...in the end there cannot be a conflict unless all parties see it as an advantage...who cares if their reasons are full of sh*t?  They have the power, yes?  People gave them the power willingly...or are too stupid, weak or cowardly to deny them the power.  It is irrefutable.

Make peace with your God and plan accordingly to reality.

https://youtu.be/ptro0vwRMaA (https://youtu.be/ptro0vwRMaA)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2022, 05:48:51 PM

I usually try to seek out some objective truth. It is possible. Especially when people accidentally tell you what they really believe. When Sec Def Austin says the US wants to bleed Russia white and degrade Russia so they cannot fight any more I believe him. I note he left out the Ukrainians. He also did not say who would be dying to bleed the Russians white.   Then those in Kiev say they want their sacred land but never say they want to free their conquered brothers from the Russian jack boot I take note. I believe they want the land, the people on it not so much. Whether bleeding Russia white using Ukrainians is right or wrong is a different question.

I only recently learned that 21 of 22 Russian Republics have at least one official language in addition to Russian which is taught in public schools. I thought they all spoke only Russian. So in that part of the world that is a way to keep the peace. Some expect Ukraine to be like Iowa in the US with English as the only language. It just doesn't fit with that part of the world.

We could start fining Hispanics for speaking Spanish in the US southwest but what for? That is what Ukraine was doing. The point is not that it is right or wrong but what is the upside?  What is their motivation?  Moldova allows Russian as a regional official language. Switzerland had 3 official languages as does Cyprus. Some of China has 2 or 3. It makes sense in those areas.

The reason for Kiev going to war is one of the lamest ever. They will lose everything all to be tools of the US. The US is not big into rebuilding in case you haven't noticed.

I heard that every foreign Islamic fighter entering Syria  knew that they were entitled to kill the husband and take the wife as a war trophy under Islamic law. For some SOB who had no other chance for a wife that is a good reason for fighting. Historically maybe a common one.

The Kiev regime will not end up with much of anything. They get to kill ethnic Russians and prevent them and theirs from speaking Russian. Germany and Japan started WWII to grab resources as they were late to the imperialist party which is a good historical reason for war. Kiev could have ruled over a federation where the east had some autonomy, spoke some Russian, and paid lots of taxes to Kiev. Instead they decided to die as US tools.

The right way to wage war is a matter of opinion and morals. I note that the US way would have been lights out in Kiev on day 1. Now the Russians finally do it and the western press goes nuts. Where were they when the the US bombed Serbia for almost 3 months straight?  The MSM has lost all objectivity long ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2022, 06:01:40 PM

I don't know much Baltic history but come across small snips of news stories that makes me wonder.
I understand how there would be residual local anti Russian sentiment because of the Soviet domination.
I wonder if it is older than that. Is is older pro German anti Russian sentiment?

I hear small stories that make me think they are real anti Russian bigots. One or more Baltic states deny citizenship to residents who do not speak the national language well enough. This is usually older folks who moved in and never learned it as their kids often did.

Now some Baltic govt minister told some orthodox priest that if he did not denounce the Moscow patriarch he would revoke his residency permit.

I recall one such country refused entry to Russian draft dodgers.

I also heard a joke about some Baltic country.

1. You never ask a woman her age.
2. You never ask a man his salary.
3. You never ask a citizen which SS division their grandfather was in.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2022, 09:01:00 PM
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Yeah...I don't know what to tell ya?

Short answer - who cares?  Seriously, who...and more importantly, who will after the Earth is a radioactive cinder?

Long answer - not sure if you are expecting something impossible to happen...like everybody agrees with you, the wars and hate and suffering end and it's sunshine and harmony and whatever...but it is just totally unrealistic.
 ...
If I read about WWII I do not expect to change the outcome.
I just seek to understand.
I blame my history major dad. He had wanted to be an anthropologist. I am an arm chair anthropologist.
I listen to people.
I listen to Kiev soldiers, DPR soldiers, LPR soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians.  Mostly the  later.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2022, 09:22:23 AM
...
Yeah...I don't know what to tell ya?

Short answer - who cares?  Seriously, who...and more importantly, who will after the Earth is a radioactive cinder?

Long answer - not sure if you are expecting something impossible to happen...like everybody agrees with you, the wars and hate and suffering end and it's sunshine and harmony and whatever...but it is just totally unrealistic.
 ...
If I read about WWII I do not expect to change the outcome.
I just seek to understand.
I blame my history major dad. He had wanted to be an anthropologist. I am an arm chair anthropologist.
I listen to people.
I listen to Kiev soldiers, DPR soldiers, LPR soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians.  Mostly the  later.

Gotchya.  Using a WWII lens on latter day events (I would argue Vietnam era and forward) is like comparing apples to a rotted fruit salad full of flies and maggots at worst or an orange at best...

And as far as people go...that's a mixed bag...to me its all petty, envious, lustful, greedy low-life immoral leaders throwing fodder into fires...I see no honor, no champion, no virtue on any side...just perps and victims...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2022, 09:29:29 AM
Looks like another pipeline got messed with...

(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/map_23.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/major-russia-germany-oil-pipeline-partially-shut-after-leak (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/major-russia-germany-oil-pipeline-partially-shut-after-leak)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 12, 2022, 11:35:44 AM
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Yeah...I don't know what to tell ya?

Short answer - who cares?  Seriously, who...and more importantly, who will after the Earth is a radioactive cinder?

Long answer - not sure if you are expecting something impossible to happen...like everybody agrees with you, the wars and hate and suffering end and it's sunshine and harmony and whatever...but it is just totally unrealistic.
 ...
If I read about WWII I do not expect to change the outcome.
I just seek to understand.
I blame my history major dad. He had wanted to be an anthropologist. I am an arm chair anthropologist.
I listen to people.
I listen to Kiev soldiers, DPR soldiers, LPR soldiers, Russian soldiers, civilians.  Mostly the  later.

Gotchya.  Using a WWII lens on latter day events (I would argue Vietnam era and forward) is like comparing apples to a rotted fruit salad full of flies and maggots at worst or an orange at best...

And as far as people go...that's a mixed bag...to me its all petty, envious, lustful, greedy low-life immoral leaders throwing fodder into fires...I see no honor, no champion, no virtue on any side...just perps and victims...

I wonder if all the wars I went along with were based on lies.
I mentioned to some military history guy that Ho Chi Minh wanted the US to  back their independence from France as we did the same from Britain. He replied that the US did not because the US needed the cooperation of France in some other matter. I thought "So US soldiers died as a result of horse trading?"
The friendliness of the Vietnamese people and govt soon after the war still blows my mind.


I just heard that the US involvement in Yugoslavia under Bill Clinton was not to protect ethnic groups but for some other reason with the ethnic groups brought in as a reason later. Really?

In the "You can learn a lot by listening" category. Here is a short clip of a demonstration outside the Russian embassy in London by Ukrainians. You can download the telegram desktop app to view. Telegram is a non censored twitter. Ignore the editorial content and just listen to the protesters.

https://t.me/donbassinsider/23122
?? Ukrainian "refugees" gathered outside the Russian consulate in London and called for the murder of all Russian children while repeating the usual Banderite Nazi collaborator slogans.

??Many thanks to the admin of @heilukraine1959. I'm so glad he's back after his summer break.

??That's the face of Western democracy just there.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2022, 12:25:17 PM
(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/117/800/435/original/5776563622f51a94.png)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/18dcf8f510721ba370007107c228c739cb5267745598da6d938408898449b23d.jpg)
H/T's-WRSA@GAB & WZ

All totalitarian globalist cultists want it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2022, 09:14:46 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/weve-never-been-closer-conflict-between-russia-nato-warns-top-czech-general (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/weve-never-been-closer-conflict-between-russia-nato-warns-top-czech-general)

Resigned to ones fate...

All trends are negative...show me a positive...if there is one...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2022, 09:59:44 AM
Also, good update here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apK7h1oUiE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apK7h1oUiE0)

He thinks Putin is sending nuclear warnings to blunt any aims the statists have with respect to developments in Ukraine, which we see includes Russia spanking energy, utility and military targets all across the country under General "Ruthless" Surovikin and NATO pulling together more dangerous toys for Ukraine...and Putin pushing Belarus to expand it's war support into direct military support...putting Poland and the Baltics and possibly Scandinavia in play...

I would like to think Putin & his generals are smart enough to not give the psychos over here an excuse to escalate things to where nukes fly before our mid-terms...but I think He's right that something or more than one thing is in-play by the DemoCommie/DeepState jackasses before the elections...false flag here, there...wherever...more plandemic scares...bribes, threats...it's going to be getting more batsyt-crazy...these clowns are feeling the desperation and panic as their economy collapsing efforts bear bitter fruit...logistics about to crap again, the embarrassing OPEC begging and bitch-slap....hitting NS pipeline...

It could be a squirrely several weeks...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 13, 2022, 12:12:00 PM
Hmmm, interesting...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-foils-attack-turkstream-pipeline (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-foils-attack-turkstream-pipeline)

Perps arrested...bot nationality et al not disclosed...

Makes me think there could be some home-grown opposition doing the sabotage...with or without outside influence/support...

If they we're Uke's, American's etc pretty sure it would be broadcast far, loud and often...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2022, 11:09:04 AM
"We’re just following his recommendation."   ::effu::

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/musk-cant-fund-starlink-ukraine-spacex-letter-reveals-request-pentagon-funding (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/musk-cant-fund-starlink-ukraine-spacex-letter-reveals-request-pentagon-funding)

 ::hysterical::

In other news...just the usual...

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell issued a threat against Russia on Thursday, warning that Western powers would "annihilate" the Russian army if Moscow uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine.

"Putin is saying he is not bluffing. Well, he cannot afford bluffing, and it has to be clear that the people supporting Ukraine and the European Union and the Member States, and the United States and NATO are not bluffing neither," Borrel said at a European Diplomatic Academy event in Bruges, Belgium.

"Any nuclear attack against Ukraine will create an answer, not a nuclear answer but such a powerful answer from the military side that the Russian Army will be annihilated," he added.
.
.
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Russian officials insist Putin’s comments were nothing new and fell within Russia’s long-established military doctrine, which says nuclear weapons could be used if the country faces an "existential threat".
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-army-will-be-annihilated-if-uses-nukes-eus-borrell (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-army-will-be-annihilated-if-uses-nukes-eus-borrell)

I'm sure everything is fine...

/

Maybe Putin is looking for an exit...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-putin-signals-ready-deescalate-airstrikes-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-jump-putin-signals-ready-deescalate-airstrikes-ukraine)

...but the mood for talks hasn't arrived yet, so...the games go on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on October 14, 2022, 11:38:39 AM
Exit?  I'm pretty sure he already exists.................
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 14, 2022, 11:43:03 AM
Exit?  I'm pretty sure he already exists.................

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 14, 2022, 07:35:18 PM

I heard Musk gave Ukr 20K starlink terminals and let them use them for free so far.
No  more Mr. nice guy. I think the fees would be $10 M per month if charged.

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell recently described Europe as a garden surrounded by jungles which would invade the garden. Not his exact words. With "diplomats" like him how can things go wrong?

https://news24online.com/world/europe-is-a-garden-rest-of-the-world-is-a-jungle-eus-joseph-borrell/45265/



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2022, 11:26:28 AM

Police beat up demonstrators in Germany. Not sure when or where.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/11743
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2022, 01:26:34 PM

So this guy Bald and Bankrupt has been the best salesman for greater Russia and the former USSR for several years. He now has 3.5 million followers. Over a hundred videos. He made 2 mistakes. Not sure which got him in trouble. He and a woman snuck into the cosmodrome building housing the Russian space shuttle, got caught, and paid a fine. While in Ukraine he was pressured into saying some pro Ukr stuff and maybe posting a link.

In any case, he was just kicked out of Russia and banned from returning by a court. Idiots.

He learned Russian 30 years ago.

20 min in.
https://youtu.be/qyB1l-89KEk?t=1202
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 15, 2022, 07:10:18 PM
I still have no idea on how the former USSR ethnic groups were located. A real mess.

This guy Bald and Bankrupt from England and his female friend from Belarus are in country  Kyrgyzstan where they speak Kyrgyz  and it is next to a country  Uzbekistan where they speak Uzbek aka Turki. Inside of  Kyrgyzstan  is an enclave Sokh where they speak Tajik, apparently a part of  Uzbekistan. They are inside  Kyrgyzstan and try to drive into Sokh enclave. They are turned back as it is a border crossing only for citizens of  Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. They try a different crossing but get stuck in the snow over night and get towed out by friendly locals. This is the second video below.

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The Sokh enclave is a very symbolical place in the Fergana Valley and in Central Asia. It is mostly populated by ethnic Tajiks, belongs to Uzbekistan, and is located in the territory of Kyrgyzstan.

In a different episode he learns there is a flight from Uzbekistan into enclave  Sokho inside Uzbekistan so they give it a try. It works. In a soviet bi plane.

So he finds a cab driver to show him the sights and insults him and everyone for the lousy sights.
At 25 min Then the guy invites him to his very nice home and serves him tea with his family  and his female companion says he is an A-hole. :lolh:
I love this stuff.
Invited inside the nice house in the second video.
https://youtu.be/34XymEDY9Wc?t=1494

a 2 min history lesson later on they try and fail to enter the enclave in the first video.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0

a shot of where the first USSR cosmonaut stayed to recover after this space flight.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0?t=607

they pick up a couple to Kyrgyz babushkas  to give them a ride.
They say yes there is a local tradition of bride stealing and of course they were both stolen.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0?t=1500


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ForestForTheTrees
ForestForTheTrees
4 months ago
The word Sokh comes from "Sogdia", which was the name of the people living in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan before the Turks lived there. The people in Sokh are Tajiks because the Sogdians were Persian, unlike most of the Turkic inhabitants of modern Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Alexander the Great's wife Roxana was the daughter of a Sogdian noble. The Sogdians were the greatest traders of the Silk Road, and the Sogdian language was its lingua franca all the way to the Byzantine Empire.

In the 8th century, a Sogdian general named An Lushan revolted in China, causing one of its worst civil wars in history - the An Lushan rebellion. It is believed that up to 2/3rds of the population may have died in the war, and as a result, the Chinese instituted a policy of Sogdian genocide once they regained power. All Sogdians in China were killed. This, coupled with the Turkic and Muslim conquests of Central Asia led to the decline and ultimate extinction of the Sogdian people, and now all that is left are places they once named.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2022, 08:20:24 AM

I heard Musk gave Ukr 20K starlink terminals and let them use them for free so far.
No  more Mr. nice guy. I think the fees would be $10 M per month if charged.

EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell recently described Europe as a garden surrounded by jungles which would invade the garden. Not his exact words. With "diplomats" like him how can things go wrong?

https://news24online.com/world/europe-is-a-garden-rest-of-the-world-is-a-jungle-eus-joseph-borrell/45265/ (https://news24online.com/world/europe-is-a-garden-rest-of-the-world-is-a-jungle-eus-joseph-borrell/45265/)

Yeah and Musk asked the Pentagon to start covering the StarLink costs and was told to eff off, thought I posted a link on that...anyway, and for being a free-thinking free-speech guy all he got from Ukraine was getting put on a kill list (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elon-musk-alarmed-after-appearing-well-known-ukrainian-kill-list)...

I would pull the plug, nobody needs ungrateful deadbeat clowns putting them on kill lists...

As for that EuroTrash...those open-border lunatics are capitulating to Muslim invaders they let walk in at the expense of their own citizens and culture...so their garden is rapidly skipping over the jungle and into a total sh!thole...

Good luck with that, moron.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2022, 08:21:54 AM

Police beat up demonstrators in Germany. Not sure when or where.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/11743

Police everywhere love beating citizens senseless...unless their a protected group like BLM, Antifa, Greenies, sundry Marxists et al...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2022, 08:28:13 AM
I still have no idea on how the former USSR ethnic groups were located. A real mess.

This guy Bald and Bankrupt from England and his female friend from Belarus are in country  Kyrgyzstan where they speak Kyrgyz  and it is next to a country  Uzbekistan where they speak Uzbek aka Turki. Inside of  Kyrgyzstan  is an enclave Sokh where they speak Tajik, apparently a part of  Uzbekistan. They are inside  Kyrgyzstan and try to drive into Sokh enclave. They are turned back as it is a border crossing only for citizens of  Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan. They try a different crossing but get stuck in the snow over night and get towed out by friendly locals. This is the second video below.

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The Sokh enclave is a very symbolical place in the Fergana Valley and in Central Asia. It is mostly populated by ethnic Tajiks, belongs to Uzbekistan, and is located in the territory of Kyrgyzstan.

In a different episode he learns there is a flight from Uzbekistan into enclave  Sokho inside Uzbekistan so they give it a try. It works. In a soviet bi plane.

So he finds a cab driver to show him the sights and insults him and everyone for the lousy sights.
At 25 min Then the guy invites him to his very nice home and serves him tea with his family  and his female companion says he is an A-hole. :lolh:
I love this stuff.
Invited inside the nice house in the second video.
https://youtu.be/34XymEDY9Wc?t=1494

a 2 min history lesson later on they try and fail to enter the enclave in the first video.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0

a shot of where the first USSR cosmonaut stayed to recover after this space flight.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0?t=607

they pick up a couple to Kyrgyz babushkas  to give them a ride.
They say yes there is a local tradition of bride stealing and of course they were both stolen.
https://youtu.be/dmKRNQfp_Y0?t=1500


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ForestForTheTrees
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The word Sokh comes from "Sogdia", which was the name of the people living in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan before the Turks lived there. The people in Sokh are Tajiks because the Sogdians were Persian, unlike most of the Turkic inhabitants of modern Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan. Alexander the Great's wife Roxana was the daughter of a Sogdian noble. The Sogdians were the greatest traders of the Silk Road, and the Sogdian language was its lingua franca all the way to the Byzantine Empire.

In the 8th century, a Sogdian general named An Lushan revolted in China, causing one of its worst civil wars in history - the An Lushan rebellion. It is believed that up to 2/3rds of the population may have died in the war, and as a result, the Chinese instituted a policy of Sogdian genocide once they regained power. All Sogdians in China were killed. This, coupled with the Turkic and Muslim conquests of Central Asia led to the decline and ultimate extinction of the Sogdian people, and now all that is left are places they once named.

Yeah, I've seen a lot of videos by that bald dude before...he gets very silly with the locals...I think a lot of them like it because their lives are so boring...IMO.

Alexander was one of the first to let cultures meld and interbreeding flourish...too late to argue if a good idea or not, but it did literally spawn new peoples and cultures...just look and Egypt before Alexander and after under the Ptolemy dynasty...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2022, 08:52:33 AM
In other news...

All of the Rus allies are telling any citizens left in the Ukraine area to GTFO...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/118/090/383/original/aa6762456adb4ed1.jpg)

https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/flash-china-foreign-ministry-tells-all-citizens-evacuate-ukraine-immdiately (https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/flash-china-foreign-ministry-tells-all-citizens-evacuate-ukraine-immdiately)
H/T's-WRSA@GAB

Looks like Putin to begin the wider ass-kicking...

And, about those interbred regions once trod by Alexander and his troops...

Two gunmen opened fire on a group of trainees at a Russian firing range on Saturday, killing 11 and wounding 15, according to the Russian Defense Ministry.

“During a firearms training session with individuals who voluntarily expressed a desire to participate in the special military operation (against Ukraine), the terrorists opened fire with small arms on the personnel of the unit,” the Defense Ministry said.

Russia said Saturday's two assailants were from an unspecified former Soviet republic, and died in an attack on recruits assembled for marksmanship training. The type of weapon training wasn't indicated.

According to Russia's Sota Vision, the incident took place in the town of Soloti, in Russia's Belgorod Oblast (province), which borders Ukraine.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202022-10-16%20at%2012.19.56%20AM.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massacre-russia-gunmen-attack-recruits-killing-11-and-wounding-15 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massacre-russia-gunmen-attack-recruits-killing-11-and-wounding-15)

Belgorod in Russian means white city...

And, the unholy Macron gives Putin the green light to toss nukes in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-faces-backlash-after-saying-france-wont-respond-nuclear-strike-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-faces-backlash-after-saying-france-wont-respond-nuclear-strike-ukraine)

...a stupendously idiotic thing to say to any potential foe even if it is your private personal opinion...it shows weakness but as I suspect these pieces of scat don't do crap like this by mistake...they are operating from the pan-globalist cabal's playbook...

https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale- (https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-)(http://down/system/media_attachments/files/118/018/176/original/196a7c62ea72f830.png)
H/T-WRSA@GAB

Meanwhile, beware the kamikaze drones...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-pummeled-kamikaze-drone-strikes (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kiev-pummeled-kamikaze-drone-strikes)

I think the be a kamikaze it has to be manned by a suicidal maniac...so no comparison to the Imperial Japanese...the the Nazi's and the buzz-bombs, sure...

Some peoples are just ignorant.

And, blast from the past is accurate...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/118/118/623/original/ffcd4c43cc313e7b.png)

...and some chuckleheads like to blurt - he lied!  Again, ignorance is on display.  That same pledge also included Russian agreement that with the reunification of Germany the reconstituted nation would be a NATO member, with troop restrictions in the former East German territory...no "expansion" occurred thereafter and nothing seriously discussed till into the 21st century...and what discussions did happen were originated from the leadership of former Soviet satellites...

IMO if not for Clinton directly involving the US into the former Yugoslavian mess...a detachment from Europe could have had a chance, albeit a small one...as it is things began to cement nations together and here we are anchored with these morons...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 17, 2022, 12:52:44 PM
Methinks the Rus and Turks working together for the benefit of freezing European peasant asses isn't going to make Euro leaders and the Biden Junta very happy...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/turk.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/gazprom-ceo-says-all-nord-stream-natgas-could-be-redirected-turkey (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/gazprom-ceo-says-all-nord-stream-natgas-could-be-redirected-turkey)

...but it will amp up the importance of the sea lanes on both ends of the Bosporus...

And NATO's Steadfast Noon nuclear exercises (sans real nukes we are told) in the North Sea commence and run through the end of the month...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-kicks-nuclear-war-games-monday (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-kicks-nuclear-war-games-monday)

...and with the unholy Macron saying Russian nukes in Ukraine is okie dokie...and Russia pumping more weapons of war through Belarus...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/russia-planning-next-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/russia-planning-next-ukraine/)

...that looks to be more top of the line goods...

...so, all signs point to increased festivities with concurrent increased chances of vaporization or radioactive death...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 17, 2022, 08:39:27 PM

Mr Bald is very entertaining. I only recently discovered him. I may post more on him later.

His female companion is Alina, from Belarus. He recently married her despite being 16 years older.
She speaks 4 languages well, has a masters degree in structural engineering, and works for some international engineering firm.
In one episode she smuggles a starving Cuban street kitten from Cuba to Brussels, often in her bra.

He likes to talk and says too much. He made some remark about Putin and some petty court in the far east arrested him, threw him in prison, had a hearing, and kicked him out of Russia and banned him from returning. He was Russia's best salesman and they are idiots.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2022, 08:40:28 AM

Mr Bald is very entertaining. I only recently discovered him. I may post more on him later.

His female companion is Alina, from Belarus. He recently married her despite being 16 years older.
She speaks 4 languages well, has a masters degree in structural engineering, and works for some international engineering firm.
In one episode she smuggles a starving Cuban street kitten from Cuba to Brussels, often in her bra.

He likes to talk and says too much. He made some remark about Putin and some petty court in the far east arrested him, threw him in prison, had a hearing, and kicked him out of Russia and banned him from returning. He was Russia's best salesman and they are idiots.

She's got he real estate...   :D

He's a harmless clown...some folks take themselves too seriously...Russian's seem genetically incapable of managing humor and ego...

He's been all over the former Soviet Empire...haven't seen his stuff since before the Uke invasion...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2022, 09:11:26 AM
On NS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-images-blown-nord-stream-reveals-50-meter-missing-section-pipeline (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-images-blown-nord-stream-reveals-50-meter-missing-section-pipeline)

...video shows it looks quite molested by something violent...

And the Russians and Belarussians doing exercises...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-announces-live-fire-drills-russia-amid-troop-surge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-announces-live-fire-drills-russia-amid-troop-surge)

...last time this happened somebody got invaded...somebody might get re-invaded...

As for this...

"It seems Israel will supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. A very reckless move. It will destroy all diplomatic relations between our countries," Medvedev wrote on Telegram.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-israel-weapons-transfers-ukraine-will-destroy-all-ties (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-israel-weapons-transfers-ukraine-will-destroy-all-ties)

Ha!  I call total BS on that!  The Rus are cooperating with the Turk's all the time...they just gave like $500M in support to Ukraine, probably be spent on ammo to snuff Rus troops...making patty-cake on Turk-Stream...and Turks are working with Israelis on a host of issues...

No, Medvedev is lying through his teeth...this isn't diplomatic rift level stuff on its own...they're butthurt every time their radical Muslim clients in Syria and Lebanon get their Iranian-financed Iranian-armed terrorist butts spanked...no, this is the Satanic Shiites in Tehran yanking on Rus balls and telling them to shun the Jews and join in killing them, or else.  Which is hilarious since what is the "or else"?  About all they have to nix is basing rights for them and their BRICs allies...but it appears the Rus are acting as instructed.

Well, this too is bullish for more war...

All is well...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 18, 2022, 11:16:45 AM
On NS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-images-blown-nord-stream-reveals-50-meter-missing-section-pipeline (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/first-images-blown-nord-stream-reveals-50-meter-missing-section-pipeline)

...video shows it looks quite molested by something violent...

And the Russians and Belarussians doing exercises...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-announces-live-fire-drills-russia-amid-troop-surge (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-announces-live-fire-drills-russia-amid-troop-surge)

...last time this happened somebody got invaded...somebody might get re-invaded...

As for this...

"It seems Israel will supply weapons to the Kyiv regime. A very reckless move. It will destroy all diplomatic relations between our countries," Medvedev wrote on Telegram.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-israel-weapons-transfers-ukraine-will-destroy-all-ties (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-israel-weapons-transfers-ukraine-will-destroy-all-ties)

Ha!  I call total BS on that!  The Rus are cooperating with the Turk's all the time...they just gave like $500M in support to Ukraine, probably be spent on ammo to snuff Rus troops...making patty-cake on Turk-Stream...and Turks are working with Israelis on a host of issues...

No, Medvedev is lying through his teeth...this isn't diplomatic rift level stuff on its own...they're butthurt every time their radical Muslim clients in Syria and Lebanon get their Iranian-financed Iranian-armed terrorist butts spanked...no, this is the Satanic Shiites in Tehran yanking on Rus balls and telling them to shun the Jews and join in killing them, or else.  Which is hilarious since what is the "or else"?  About all they have to nix is basing rights for them and their BRICs allies...but it appears the Rus are acting as instructed.

Well, this too is bullish for more war...

All is well...

/

I never even try to figure out all the angles in the Middle East.
I assume that Israel is doing something devious in their own self interest.
I assume that the US is doing something devious that will harm everyone except maybe the arms makers and maybe some arch capitalists.
By the time Ukraine is destroyed who else will benefit? Certainly not Ukrainians.
At least the US in kinda honest. We say we are doing it to harm Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 18, 2022, 12:22:49 PM
Oh my, this is rich...JoeFraud regime is dusting off Trump's NOPEC nuclear option on the Saudi's?

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nopec-bill-would-mean-end-aramco-and-opec-we-know-them (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nopec-bill-would-mean-end-aramco-and-opec-we-know-them)

Grassely attaching it to the next NADA authorization bill probably means its got a good chance...NADA should be nixed, but it's too popular among UniParty asshats...

In other news...the suffering for Ukrainians about to get more painful...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-third-ukraines-power-stations-destroyed-who-warns-brutal-winter-coming (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-third-ukraines-power-stations-destroyed-who-warns-brutal-winter-coming)

...reckon more refugees will be heading to Poland...

...makes the mathematics of war simpler...fewer innocents about...means those in-theater are likely combatants/combatant supporters...I would expect the violence to increase.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 19, 2022, 09:33:05 AM
We will see in the coming months as winter's cold embrace envelops Europe how interested citizens are in both continued warfare in Ukraine and in insane green dreams of an immediate transition away from oil, gas, coal and nuclear in favor of, well, whatever...and give up normal human food for bugs...or if they rise up in overwhelming numbers against their masters...

My current opinion of latter day humans being rather low...and even lower for the more emasculated Euro's...doesn't inspire much hope...but freezing, starving, sickness and dying...can be a strong impetus for change, history is full of examples...

Meanwhile, back in the insane clown posse world of totalitarian towers of tyranny...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnstone-profoundly-stupid-narrative-nuclear-brinkmanship-safety-and-de-escalation (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/johnstone-profoundly-stupid-narrative-nuclear-brinkmanship-safety-and-de-escalation)

...all the warmongering statists have to offer is conflated common sense realistic approaches to a peaceful resolution in Ukraine to being equal with caving into nuclear blackmail and the brainless knee-jerk condemnation of "Putin puppet" epithets being hurled indiscriminately like daggers...

I am no Putin lover, everybody here knows that...but it is also true that using the Western totalitarian logic, they expect Russia to capitulate to nuclear extortion by putting tactical nukes in Poland (which by the way I have no confirmation or denial of) or in nearby seas aboard naval vessels (a certainty)...so, by their logic the US is making nuclear war more likely...

So, using their BS, even an average person can see this for what it is, a stalemate...sane people are looking for de-escalation of hostilities all sides can agree to and an avoidance of a nuclear conflict...the lunatics want to go all the way to a full nuclear exchange to prove they cannot be threatened rather than find a sane off ramp to global annihilation...over what?  Ukraine?

Perhaps if they want to sell this idea better they identify what is so valuable there?  A vast treasure of the Great Khan?  The living finger of King Midas?

Again, being Devil's advocate...I see fault on all sides...and I do not see either side having innocent intentions or absent stains of blood...arguments for and against each other are obviously similar and intransigent...

Negotiation or annihilation...and so far both sides are favoring the latter almost exclusively...

PS - I smell BS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kherson-civilians-evacuated-amid-ukraine-assault-putin-declares-martial-law-4 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kherson-civilians-evacuated-amid-ukraine-assault-putin-declares-martial-law-4)

I think another tactical retreat is in play here like up in the NE earlier...suck 'em in and slaughter them with artillery, bombs and missiles...

The war goes on...

ETA - as do the same old games...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pair-russian-bombers-intercepted-norad-jets-alaska-defense-zone (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pair-russian-bombers-intercepted-norad-jets-alaska-defense-zone)

Can't believe Bears are still flying...not militarily practical...slow, ridiculously easy to knock down...they are a recon and harassment instrument only...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kherson-civilians-evacuated-amid-ukraine-assault-putin-declares-martial-law-4 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kherson-civilians-evacuated-amid-ukraine-assault-putin-declares-martial-law-4)

I thought we already knew this...but apparently jello-head JoeFraud and his handlers need reminding...not that they're too concerned about throwing nukes about...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 19, 2022, 06:13:53 PM
I don't pay much attention to short term military results.
I believe civilians are being evacuated from Kherson region to protect them from upcoming action.

Germany knows who blew up the pipe but is hiding it from their citizens for national security.
Suppose they are protecting Russia? /s

All this shreaking about Russia hitting civilian infrastructure makes me shake my head.
For several reasons.
1. There were very few civilian deaths as the target was infrastructure.
2, Kiev has been shelling civilian residential areas on the Donbass for 8 years and the MSM does not cover it. That includes petal anti personnel mines to take off limbs dropped from rockets.
3. The US would take out the infrastructure the first day.
4. Much of the shreaking comes from the countries responsible for Dresden and the Tokyo firestorms.

In Tokyo we would first bomb to make splinters out of the houses. Then incendiaries to set the kindling ablaze.
The incendiaries were spaced close enough together to create a firestorm but not too close as that would be a waste as the firestorm could have been larger if further spaced.

https://southfront.org/kiev-forces-shelled-donetsk-with-incendiary-weapons/
Kiev Forces Shelled Donetsk With Incendiary Weapons

Also, if Russia is buying Iranian drones why not show one? Some crash or are shot down.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2022, 11:59:26 AM
Pretty sure they explode either way Pat...not sure it matters what is shown/not shown...

Just enjoy the show...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-fighter-jet-released-missile-after-british-spy-plane-intercept (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-fighter-jet-released-missile-after-british-spy-plane-intercept)

Oops.  Well, there's always next time...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 21, 2022, 09:20:42 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-speeds-ukraine-arms-transfers-prepare-winter-warfare (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-speeds-ukraine-arms-transfers-prepare-winter-warfare)

Seriously...this is breaching the totally batshyt effing insane barrier...

At a time when this illegitimate regimes absolute destruction of the domestic economy and energy sector...exacerbated by continued reckless wasteful spending, idiotic loan subsidizing et al...and drawing down the SPR and our military stores?

When the SHTF people are going to be justifiably pissed...and the only good thing I see is depleted stores means short civil wars...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2022, 12:19:12 PM

A quick summary of some some of what has happened to journalists who reported the wrong facts from Ukraine or put a mic in front of the wrong locals.

I linked to the funny part. Some French TV reporter had her feed cut after she reported wrong. :lolh: Another French journalist just lost her university job of 15 years after she had reported from the Donbass over the years.
https://youtu.be/7BVi4lxf5cM?t=374
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2022, 12:28:15 PM

The MSM never ceases to amaze me in this war.
Kiev has been shelling residential civilian areas in the eastern Donbass for 8 years. Most of the MSM will not report on this or even blames the Russians.

Some of the MSM blames the Russians for blowing up their own pipelines.

Some of the MSM blames Russia for shelling itself at the Russian held nuclear plant.

I had on Alexander of Duran. He said that Russia had stopped running trains over some dam. It was reported that the dam locks were under attack by floating mines/whatever to flood the surrounding area. I read differing accounts on how much damage this would cause.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15576 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15576)
Five Ukrainian rocket attacks on the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station took place on October 20, authorities said.

They noted that in the event of a dam breakthrough, water supply to Crimea through the North Crimean Canal would become impossible.

THIS SIMULATION OF WHAT A DAM COLLAPSE WOULD MEAN IS FROM A 2004 NEWSPAPER ARTICLE.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15569 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15569)
??🇷🇺🇺🇦🌊 Map of Flooding in #Kherson Oblast in the Event of a Dambreach at the Kakhovka HPP??

According to the article "Not ready for local apocalypse" in the newspaper "Hryvna" ¹ 12 dated March 18, 2004 and to recent reports, the AFU are preparing to shell the #Kakhovskaya HPP, which will inevitably lead to a breach of the dam. Thanks to Ensign Ptichkin (http://t.me/rusfleet (http://t.me/rusfleet)) for his help with the map.

Flooding of Kherson region in case of a break of the Kakhovskaya HPP dam

- Time from breach to flooding of Kherson region - 2 hours
- Time of continuous rise of the water level - 14 hours
- Wave speed - 25 km/h
- Wave height - up to 5 m
- Duration of flooding - 72 hours

t.me/sitreports /@rusfleet/ t.me/zastavnyii/1948 /

Better simulations
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/11106 (https://t.me/CyberspecNews/11106)
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/11107 (https://t.me/CyberspecNews/11107)



So then I read this.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15616 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15616)
??🇺🇦🏴?? Zelensky announces bombing of Kakhovskaya HPP dam and flooding of Kherson region: Kiev starts preparing info-field, blaming Russia
"We have information that Russian terrorists have mined the dam and units of the Kakhovskaya HPP. This is one of the major energy facilities. The dam of this hydropower plant holds about 18m cu.m. of water. If Russian terrorists blow up this dam, about 80 settlements will be flooded, including Kherson.
??We are witnessing a standard move - to accuse the enemy in advance and then write off their crime on it.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15582 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15582)
We read in the Kherson Herald:

Ukraine plans sabotage at the gateway of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station using underwater drones

Ukrainian servicemen from the Separate Special Purpose Center of the Naval Forces (Ochakiv) [actually - the Center of the SSO "South", formerly the 73rd Marine Special Operations Center] completed a three-month course in the UK.

The training was based on the control of unmanned underwater vehicles and sabotage. [Two Majors even have a video]

From the statements of officials of the British Ministry of Defense, it is known that six underwater drones will be transferred to Ukraine. Against the background of the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Krivoy Rog direction, Kyiv has the opportunity to use British underwater unmanned vehicles in the waters in the south of the Kakhovka reservoir.

Kherson Vestnik does not rule out that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are planning to use British drones at the gateway of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station. The sabotage will lead to the flooding of the coastal settlements controlled by Russia at the mouth of the Dnieper.

Kherson Vestnik that drones are good, since the Armed Forces of Ukraine have few expensive missiles in Hymars, we consider it untenable.

-Two majors

Alleged video at link
https://t.me/CyberspecNews/10908 (https://t.me/CyberspecNews/10908)


Also
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15690 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15690)
The Foreign Minister of Ukraine, Dmytro Kuleba, was fooled by a fake US Ambassador some clever Russians created.
-----
He revealed that Ukraine was behind several terrorist attacks including the Crimean bridge attack (that they publicly denied) and that they have to "force" the EU because of “sanctions fatigue” (meaning orchestrate catastrophy for more money).

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2022, 12:43:21 PM


 wonder what the results were before the invasion.
This recent survery guages the hostility in Ukraine towards various groups.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/15776
**KMIS measured the level of xenophobia in Ukraine**

The survey was conducted in accordance with the Bogardus scale. For each ethnic group on the list, respondents answered how closely would be willing to associate with representatives of that group. There were seven options in total: from "as members of one’s  family" (at the highest) to "would not let them enter Ukraine" (at the lowest).

With respect to Russians living in Russia, the average score was 6.39 (between "ready to admit as guests of Ukraine" and "would not let them go to Ukraine").
As regards Belarusians living in Belarus—5.34 (between "ready to admit as residents of Ukraine" and "ready to admit as guests of Ukraine").

As this is an average score, the number of responses "would not let them go to Ukraine" must have been very high. But this is not the crux of the issue. After all, in the current situation, it is an understandable reaction. 

The problem is that the average score for Russians living in Ukraine is also 5.03. In other words, most survey respondents are not willing to view Ukrainian citizens who identify as Russian even as "residents of Ukraine", let alone "as colleagues at work" (4), "as neighbours" (3), or "as close friends".

Poles get the score of 2.95, Americans - 3.72, Africans - 4.84, and Roma - 5.08.

Thus, according to the survey, the Ukrainians view the Roma and citizens of Ukraine who self-identify as Russians aa the most undesirable groups among those who now live in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2022, 12:57:36 PM
Maybe these are to be used against some dam locks.

https://t.me/CyberspecNews/11004
?? According to information received from local residents, the YARM sea mines are being transported to the village of Gavrilovka in the Kherson region. According to available data, it is known that the APU can use them as floating mines to descend the Kakhovsky reservoir in the direction of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station in order to undermine the dam and then flood the channel in the direction of Kherson. This will allow the AFU to wash away all pontoon crossings available to the Russian military, disrupt logistics and thereby isolate the Russian grouping of troops from supplies by disrupting transport links with the territory of the Russian Federation.

This will also lead to the creation of the deepest food crisis in the territory of the right-bank Kherson region due to the lack of supplies of food, medicines and fuel and lubricants.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2022, 04:55:10 PM
When things get too serious I watch more of Bald and Bankrupt.

I know he was banned from Russia, maybe also Ukraine and Belarus. he talks a lot which is endearing but can get him in trouble.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 22, 2022, 10:31:18 AM


I just found this. I have come across things from western/northern parts of Ukraine that make me feel kinda sick. I also listen carefully to what people say from all sides and places of this conflict. Some people say it is all OK because Russia invaded but much of this precedes any invasion.

These people have a vile ideology I am free to dislike.
Others are free to like it and make excuses.
Jacob Drezin was born in Russia and immigrated to the US at some point.
His family was Russian Jews as I recall. I have no idea if they were observant.
So you will have to 'forgive' him if he does not like NAZIs.


https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/10/21/suitcase-with-no-handle/
 Suitcase With No Handle

Published by dreizinreport on October 21, 2022
...
You ain’t seen nothin’, until you’ve seen the below video.

I’ve sat on this for a long time.

This is from an elite Kiev nightclub, 2014, shortly after the coup, revolution, or whatever you want to call it.

They are serving a cake with a Russian flag and a realistic, live-size “Russian infant”, lying on its back atop the flag.

The server cuts the baby from groin to head.  People love it.

One girl asks if the diaper is edible, another says she wants the tummy.

One guy jokes, “Putin, help!” while another shouts pleadingly, “Ruuuussia, Ruuuuussia!!!“…..

…..indicating the baby is the people of the Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) and other Russians or pro-Russians in southeast Ukraine, who were hoping for the Russian army to move in at that time.

There’s more than just a few people here, it’s packed.

Of course, like everyone in Kiev (back then, anyway), they’re all speaking Russian.

Millions of idiots say Putin is Hitler—no, this is Hitler.

These are literal “supremacists”… not of the fake alleged supremacist, Trumper variety.

The country should have been peacefully split in 2014.

Well, it’s being split now, better late than never.

Incidentally, you know these could be Democrats, eating a Republican.

There’s more than one country that could be peacefully split… or peacefully decentralized, whatever.

I’d never say the USA needs to go. We just need to respect differences, and not force every damn thing on fellow citizens in other jurisdictions, you know?

How do we get there?


[video link here]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 22, 2022, 10:58:29 AM


Another day, more MSM ignoring what happens in the Ukraine war that does not fit their narrative.
https://youtu.be/XPCJky8YBSk
 Ukraine Shells School, Church, Kindergarten & Cultural center Russia & the Western Media Ignores It
25,187 views  Oct 22, 2022  There has historic meeting was taking place between the Russian and US defense ministers, Russia’s Sergei Shoigu and the United State's Lloyd Austin, to discuss Ukraine. At almost the same time as that meeting Ukraine launched a major attack on the center of a small border village in Russia, Murom Belgorod Region Russia, directly hitting a school, church, kindergarten and cultural center. Of course this will never be shown in the western main stream media because they will only show what benefits Ukraine.  In this report I am on the ground at the site of the attacks showing you what the western mainstream media will not
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 24, 2022, 09:11:46 AM
Having been oppressed and persecuted by Russians for nearly 80 years I can understand anti-Russian animosity...

Currently we are being directly persecuted by DemoCommies and further abused by Quisling Cucks...and we are merely in the preliminary phase of hostilities...and the angst is increasing...we have not yet experienced the full measure the former Soviet occupied states experiences...what oh what does the future hold...?

In the end, doesn't matter...

ALL trends remain firmly in the continued/expanded hostility direction...

https://conservativeplaylist.com/2022/10/24/5-signs-that-the-war-between-russia-and-nato-is-about-to-spiral-out-of-control/ (https://conservativeplaylist.com/2022/10/24/5-signs-that-the-war-between-russia-and-nato-is-about-to-spiral-out-of-control/)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-new-strike-leaves-15-million-ukrainians-without-power-phased-blackouts-kiev (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-new-strike-leaves-15-million-ukrainians-without-power-phased-blackouts-kiev)

LOL, dirty bomb warning could be a prediction as well as a warning, and perpetrated for either's benefit...but at it's heart is war fever both suffer from...

Snyder in the first link finally gets to the real core of this sh*tshow - Both sides just continue to escalate matters, and it is just a matter of time before someone pushes things a little bit too far. Even now, it is really difficult to see a peaceful way out of this mess.

In WWI both Allies and Axis thought the other was bluffing because doing what they threatened was "madness"....well, madness won.  In WWII hostilities broke out because the Europeans wanted to humiliate and neuter Germany following WWI...and foolish leaders thought they could negotiate with a liar and madman...and in Asia another democrat with delusions of grandeur thought an Imperial and militaristic Japan could be bullied and cajoled into peace when an active containment would have been a more prudent course...

Here we are again, with opponents locked into their positions, unable and unwilling to yield a millimeter...with escalating rhetoric and actions...

Yeah...everything is going to be fine...

/

PS - This will help...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/biden-inches-closer-wwiii-us-troops-ukraine-romania-border-combat-deployment-prepare-invade-fight-russian-forces-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/biden-inches-closer-wwiii-us-troops-ukraine-romania-border-combat-deployment-prepare-invade-fight-russian-forces-ukraine/)

...and by "help" I mean make war more likely...

This, is not what should have led to the Screaming Eagles to be deployed.

But neither should have The Wagner Group, the new incantation of the Blackwater boys, the Iranians...yadda yadda yadda...

Whatever, they'll be more, not less...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 24, 2022, 05:31:05 PM
I had the talking heads on in background.

I think the dirty bomb was a real plot picked up on by the Russians, planned by Kiev.
That is the reason for all the excited communications. Between Russia military and others.
I think the US DOD told Kiev to not even think of doing that then went public and said the Russians were nuts for even imagining such a thing.   Just their conclusion.

Quote
“Why of course the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't want war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

? Hermann Goering, Germany Reborn

Clare Daly EU MEP from Ireland.
https://youtu.be/QsDttNAUMgM?t=47
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 25, 2022, 08:34:58 AM
Well it's nice to be able to both have control over Pres. Z and have no control over Pres. Z from minute to minute depending upon the topic...

 :o

See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-house-dems-urge-dramatic-shift-biden-policy-ukraine-get-serious-about-diplomacy-or (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/30-house-dems-urge-dramatic-shift-biden-policy-ukraine-get-serious-about-diplomacy-or)

Token, meaningless and impotent gesture...all kabuki...proven by the IC's mouthpiece...

WaPo concludes, "For now, their position remains a minority in the Democratic Party, which has overwhelmingly supported Biden’s denunciations of Russia and his spearheading of a global coalition to funnel massive support to Ukraine. Biden has framed the conflict as part of his broader view that the world is witnessing a historic confrontation between authoritarianism and democracy."

...I especially note the Big Lie at the end...if they we're truly honest...it would say "historic confrontation between Eastern Imperial Authoritarianism vs Western Socialist Totalitarianism."

And in response the JoeFraud regime flips from control of Z to can't tell Z what to do...

US National Security Council spokesman John Kirby also responded Monday, stressing that "We’re not going to have conversations with the Russian leadership without the Ukrainians being represented." He added, according to The Washington Post, "Mr. Zelensky gets to determine – because it’s his country – what success looks like and when to negotiate."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-dems-walk-back-letter-biden-urging-ukraine-negotiations-after-white-house-response (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/house-dems-walk-back-letter-biden-urging-ukraine-negotiations-after-white-house-response)

Again, WaPo, the IC's mouthpiece...indicates to me that in security matters and foreign policy they are calling the shots...Foggy Bottom & CNN ar left to regurgitating the same old vomit and seem to have rendered themselves useless in this affair...no better than the IC's lapdog now...

So, it is obvious, the war goes on.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 26, 2022, 09:13:57 AM
The West is happy with their nuclear drills...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-notifies-white-house-its-annual-nuclear-exercise-has-begun (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-notifies-white-house-its-annual-nuclear-exercise-has-begun)

...Russia is happy with theirs and is celebrating with missile tests today...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 27, 2022, 08:21:45 AM
https://t.me/intelslava/40049

RIA Novosti?  State run (aren't they all?!)...there is the chance this is a double-reverse false-flag but overall, such a stunt contemplated by anybody along these lines is idiotic on its face...

Why a "dirty" bomb vs a real bomb?  Why would something dirty set off in an already dirty area be a big deal anyway?  Seriously, Clownworld truly is a global phenomena!

 ::)

But in the race for "who is the serious" regarding WWIII preps...looks like the Russians are ahead...at least in a PR sense if not in fact...

https://andmagazine.substack.com/p/the-russians-are-building-bomb-shelters
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2022, 10:21:06 AM
As Bloomberg just reported, the Pentagon's new National Defense Strategy rejects limits on using nuclear weapons long championed by arms control advocates (and, in the not too distant past, by Joe Bide) citing burgeoning threats from Russia and China.

“By the 2030s the United States will, for the first time in its history face two major nuclear powers as strategic competitors and potential adversaries,” the Defense Department said in the long-awaited document issued Thursday. In response, the US will “maintain a very high bar for nuclear employment” without ruling out using the weapons in retaliation to a non-nuclear strategic threat to the homeland, US forces abroad or allies.
.
.
.
...thus making an outright nuclear attack far more likely (if the US will nuke you anyway, may as well go all out)
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stunning-strategy-reversal-pentagon-will-no-longer-rule-out-use-nuclear-weapons-against-non (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/stunning-strategy-reversal-pentagon-will-no-longer-rule-out-use-nuclear-weapons-against-non)

This is insane...and ZH is wrong to call this "neocon insanity"...this is UniParty (Democommie & E-GOP/Cuck) insanity! 

The same people everybody knows is destroying this Republic with every word, thought and deed they do!

David sees it...  https://twitter.com/DavidLimbaugh/status/1585815289966612481 (https://twitter.com/DavidLimbaugh/status/1585815289966612481)

Too many do not!   ::outrage::

In other news...

While staging upgraded-component gravity B-61's within NATO isn't "new"...it just makes an awareness of the above more critical...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-accelerates-upgraded-nuke-delivery-jittery-european-allies-cable (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-accelerates-upgraded-nuke-delivery-jittery-european-allies-cable)

And hoping the lunatics don't abuse this opportunity...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-willing-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-border-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-willing-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-border-russia)

...in light of the strategic change towards insanity is troubling.

The trends continue to portend a bleak future...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on October 28, 2022, 10:39:09 AM
Quote
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-willing-host-nato-nuclear-weapons-border-russia

...in light of the strategic change towards insanity is troubling.

Insanity indeed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 29, 2022, 11:10:58 AM


A nice summary.
https://youtu.be/wN_U7qK_T9M
“You can not manufacture weapons when you don’t have enemy and war!”
Col. Richard Black: U.S. created the illusion of Chinese aggression

Also
https://youtu.be/tCIDt3zON3o
Richard Black: NATO not dissolved is one of the greatest tragedies of American history

https://youtu.be/9NeO_-S-LUk
Col. Richard Black: U.S. foreign policy heading in radical direction
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
If "if's" and "but's" were "candy" and "nuts"...everyday would be Christmas!

Cliff Note version of that Cliff Note version is "nobody cares".

There will be war...for Russia it is existential...for the West it is existential for "the new world order" to survive...

In other news...

Finland says arms meant for Ukraine being diverted into criminal gang hands...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-says-ukraine-arms-ending-hands-criminal-gangs (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finland-says-ukraine-arms-ending-hands-criminal-gangs)

...sure, happens everywhere...only thing different is the volume is so great coming in, it's guaranteed to generate widespread episodes of profiteering to anybody with funds...

Duh?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/worlds-most-heavily-armed-governments-are-becoming-explicitly-hostile-toward-one-another (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/worlds-most-heavily-armed-governments-are-becoming-explicitly-hostile-toward-one-another)

Video on Russian ships?  Guess not.  Man, war waging and the coverage sucks!

As for this...yeah, Hedges you stupendously stupid muppet-buying asshole...it's for this reason and people like you we are in this mess:

You know we are in trouble when former Donald Trump is the voice of reason.

“We must demand the immediate negotiation of a peaceful end to the war in Ukraine, or we will end up in world war three” the former U.S. president said. “And there will be nothing left of our planet — all because stupid people didn’t have a clue … They don’t understand what they’re dealing with, the power of nuclear.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chris-hedges-stop-worrying-love-bomb (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/chris-hedges-stop-worrying-love-bomb)

But that's what you can expect from a NY Slimes trained KGB stooge!

 ::doublebird::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-floats-basis-putin-biden-talks-moment-most-americans-want-diplomatic-solution (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-floats-basis-putin-biden-talks-moment-most-americans-want-diplomatic-solution)

...60% of Americans are likely to be greatly disappointed...the JoeFraud junta is incapable of sane and ration discussion...and to be Devil's advocate Russia doesn't always make it easy...Putin should have negotiated with Trump before the coup...

Drone attack update - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-suspends-participation-ukraine-grain-deal-after-massive-drone-attack-black-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-suspends-participation-ukraine-grain-deal-after-massive-drone-attack-black-sea)

That's it?  Ones with explosions no drone in sight...   ::whatgives::

Seen better resolution on civilian pleasure drones!

NS update - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-formally-accuses-british-navy-nord-stream-terrorist-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-formally-accuses-british-navy-nord-stream-terrorist-attack)

And I do not trust this source, so FWIW - https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1586955743021780993 (https://twitter.com/Partisangirl/status/1586955743021780993)

Interesting spin on the Truss implosion.  Even if true, probably only made her DOA budget blunder even easier to have her sacked in favor of a more pliable WEF stooge...


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2022, 11:28:44 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/much-ukrainian-capital-without-power-water-after-new-russian-airstrikes (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/much-ukrainian-capital-without-power-water-after-new-russian-airstrikes)

When Europe and America go dark...it won't be because of Russia...our enemies are all home-grown terrorists...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2022, 12:04:54 PM
And the grain deal is back on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/ukraine-grain-shipments-resume-russia-rejoins-deal-wheat-futures-tumble (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/ukraine-grain-shipments-resume-russia-rejoins-deal-wheat-futures-tumble)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 02, 2022, 04:35:22 PM
I never came across good reporting on the Ukr grain deal. I understand it had two parts. One dealt with a safe transport corridor. The other dealt with not having an embargo on Russian grain. I recently heard that the west sanctioned the ships carrying the Russian grain instead. So clever.

Now from some sailor's telegram channel I read a detailed account on part of the grain deal.
I heard that Ukraine had created the Crimean bridge bomb, then shipped it out through the corridor on a boat to another Black Sea port then onto a truck then back to the bridge. That is the Russian version as they said they tracked the cargo through several countries.

Now I heard that the aerial drones and maybe one of the semi submersible drones used to attack Sevastopol were launched from a ship in the safe corridor. One semi submersible was captured along with the video.  If true this explains why the Russians were upset over the grain deal.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18269 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18269)
THE BIG GRAIN SWINDLE
Or a black mark in the Black Sea.

#OPINION #GRAIN

1/2

I took part of the title of this article out of respect for the Sex Pistols band, and the book The Great Rock'n'roll Swindle, written by their manager, is an integral part of all punk rock history. So, the name immediately came to mind as my ship anchored just south of Bozcaada Island, awaiting passage through the Dardanelles, the first of the two Turkish straits that open up the Black Sea to the shipping. The second strait is the Bosphorus. The two are 130 nautical miles apart and are separated by the Sea of Marmara. This article is an analysis of the data I have from a carrier at sea on a Liberian-flagged merchant vessel.

My ship is sailing to Ukraine on its not-very-best of days, to say the least, for corn. All the Russian crew are disembarked, only Ukrainians and Filipinos remain on board. I am a Crimean citizen my hometown is Sevastopol. That means that for the Ukrainian authorities I am a separatist, a turncoat and an enemy. I am going ashore in the second strait, in the Bosphorus. But that is better than the uncertainty caused by the harsh reality of lawlessness that has been operating in Ukraine long before the events of February 24. After February 24, for ordinary Russian seafarers in Ukrainian ports it became even worse. Harsh interviewing, fact-checking on social media, offers of cooperation/recruitment, removal from the vessel under various pretexts contrary to international conventions followed by an exchange (remember the Svir ship crew), torture, extortion, etc. Erdogan, hold my beer, I'm packing a suitcase.

What can I say, when the Ukrainian citizens, the crew members themselves, had their jaws dropped when the note came with the details of the next voyage, together with the port of loading Yuzhny (now called Pivdenny port, renamed recently so as not to associate anything with the Russian language), which is located just north of Odessa. Jaws dropped, because Ukrainian seafarers themselves understand that they also will be interviewed and fact-checked, that uncomfortable questions await them, that anything can happen in the port, and that representatives of various departments can come on board. The provocative bravado with which they sang the Ukrainian anthem, with a glass in their hand, faded away, out of the chat. They and their ship are on their way to Ukraine and they are not laughing.

So we dropped anchor near the entrance to the Dardanelles. Just so you understand, this happens very rarely. It used to be possible to take a pilot across the strait immediately upon arrival or to pass the strait without a pilot at all. But it all comes down to the three operating Ukrainian grain ports in the Black Sea: the port of Yuzhny, Odessa and Chernomorsk (formerly Illyichevsk). The grain deal, which was formalised recently between Turkey, Russia, Ukraine and the EU, is conditional upon the creation of a special corridor, the HSTC (High Seas Transit Corridor) in Ukrainian territorial waters, which in turn is part of the MHC (Maritime Humanitarian Corridor) in the Black Sea, in force for the duration of the deal itself. What this mean is: a two-mile-wide corridor has been created, and vessels traveling to and from Ukrainian ports are lined up in a caravan to which no warships of either party are allowed within ten miles of each other. The coordinating body for all this is also the JCC (Joint Coordination Centre). The grain treaty itself has a deadline of November 22 this year. If in the beginning everything was working like clockwork and more than two hundred bulk carriers have already fulfilled their voyage obligations to deliver Ukrainian grain crops to various countries, now the deal is in jeopardy and here's why.

(continued in the next post)

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18270 (https://t.me/Slavyangrad/18270)
(continued from previous post)

In a nutshell, the Crimean bridge. After the eighth of October, everything turned upside down. The terrorist act involving Ukraine (along with its ports) with several EU member states (read: parties to the grain deal) was unleashed (https://t.me/doppelfod/181 (https://t.me/doppelfod/181)) and fundamentally changed the tactical component of the special military operation that Russia is conducting.

— fodeve (http://t.me/doppelfod (http://t.me/doppelfod)), writing for @SevMob

Source: @SevMob / https://t.me/sevmob/515 (https://t.me/sevmob/515)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 02, 2022, 04:41:38 PM
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 02, 2022, 04:43:39 PM
UK PM Truss sacked some home secretary for sending a classified document using unclassified means.
Now it seems Truss was caught using her iPhone to message the US that the pipeline explosion "was done" or some such. The sacked home secretary just got her job back.  ::thumbsup::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 02, 2022, 04:53:01 PM
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...

As far as I know, Russia never stopped a Ukrainian ship from leaving. The mines planted by Kiev prevented that and the insurance companies would not insure any such ship. I could be wrong but I never saw an example. NOW I read some Russian govt official say they might inspect such ships.  One of the Russian ships harmed was a mine sweeper apparently used to maintain the safe corridor.

I said long ago that if I were Kiev I would not bomb the Kirsch bridge because Kiev still had electricity and functioning indoor plumbing which could change. So now many lack that.  However many say that this most recent phase of the war would have happened even without the bridge bombing.

In the Donbass they now post that Kiev is now like the Donbass for many years, with no water or electricity.

Kiev boasted that only 6 Russian missiles got through as maybe 44 were intercepted? Then they reported that 18 targets were hit. You do the math.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2022, 08:45:02 AM
UK PM Truss sacked some home secretary for sending a classified document using unclassified means.
Now it seems Truss was caught using her iPhone to message the US that the pipeline explosion "was done" or some such. The sacked home secretary just got her job back.  ::thumbsup::

Yeah, could be total BS, could be real, either way makes no differences to the reality of now.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2022, 08:50:28 AM
Well, "safe zones" can be exploited one way or another...use them to shelter bad actors...use them to do naughty things...only thing different is ones perspective/agenda/dogma/propaganda...old as Adam...

Should be used only as intended - grain transport, period...either it is, or it isn't...and getting a clear picture when opponents seek advantage means ya get what ya get...

As far as I know, Russia never stopped a Ukrainian ship from leaving. The mines planted by Kiev prevented that and the insurance companies would not insure any such ship. I could be wrong but I never saw an example. NOW I read some Russian govt official say they might inspect such ships.  One of the Russian ships harmed was a mine sweeper apparently used to maintain the safe corridor.

I said long ago that if I were Kiev I would not bomb the Kirsch bridge because Kiev still had electricity and functioning indoor plumbing which could change. So now many lack that.  However many say that this most recent phase of the war would have happened even without the bridge bombing.

In the Donbass they now post that Kiev is now like the Donbass for many years, with no water or electricity.

Kiev boasted that only 6 Russian missiles got through as maybe 44 were intercepted? Then they reported that 18 targets were hit. You do the math.

Stupid happens in war...and it will happen some more...

The Rus are pointing the fickle finger of fate at the UK though, not Ukraine - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-present-evidence-uk-special-forces-behind-crimea-attacks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-present-evidence-uk-special-forces-behind-crimea-attacks)

And if you believe them on NS, UK also behind that.

So, why bomb Kyiv and the rest of central/western Ukraine and plunge them into darkness and cold?  Should be targeting London, right?   ::whatgives::

Wars are not only destructive, vile and horrific...or just stupid...they also have fundamentally unfair impacts on lives...

Been that way since Cain slew Able...

Heck, the UN would be...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-security-council-votes-down-probe-biolabs-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-security-council-votes-down-probe-biolabs-ukraine)

...pointless if not for stupid and unfair...

...the same assholes behind Agenda 21 and Net-Zero forced human depopulation schemes!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2022, 09:00:34 AM
Ummm....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-begins-construction-razor-wire-barrier-along-border-russias-kaliningrad-amid (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/poland-begins-construction-razor-wire-barrier-along-border-russias-kaliningrad-amid)

...razor-wire and guards are a poor defense to tanks and other mechanized war material...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2022, 09:10:00 AM
Looks like a four ring circus could commence...IMO I think a Chi-Com move on Taiwan could trigger the other 3 to go hot/hotter...

https://uncanceled.news/3-more-major-wars-that-could-suddenly-erupt-in-2023/

...timetable will definitely will be quicker than anybody wants...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2022, 08:25:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-norway-over-final-destruction-relations-its-arctic-operations (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-warns-norway-over-final-destruction-relations-its-arctic-operations)

The easily bruised Rus ego strikes again...

Nobody has an exclusive claim on the Arctic or the Antarctic...

So, if peeved about spy wars real or imagined, stay on point please, OK?  This show has enough sub-plots as it is!  LOL

This looks like it has more legs...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11387435/Russia-warns-Britain-faces-dangerous-consequences-involvement-Ukraine-war.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11387435/Russia-warns-Britain-faces-dangerous-consequences-involvement-Ukraine-war.html)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 11:13:28 AM

Long ago Turkey gave conditional approval for admitting Sweden and Finland to NATO.
The Duran doubted Sweden would follow through as the conditions were harsh.
I recall Sweden had to extradite some Kurds to Turkey for trial, including some members of parliament?.
Now Turkey says Sweden has not followed through.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 04, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
I'm guessing domestic laws probably a sticking point...no promise to a foreign power could be kept if a government cannot throw its laws aside, and I do not believe Erdogan or his people are/were ignorant of this...IMO they knew it would be a promise not able to be kept and they allowed the ruse to continue merely to score a symbolic propaganda win...

Awesome, now what?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 03:41:52 PM

Also, Kim Iversen did a deep dive into the Kurd issue long ago. She did two videos.
As I recall, the US agreed to throw the Kurds in Syria (?) under the bus long ago.
Turkey views them as terrorists and does not want them near its borders.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 03:47:22 PM

I had this on.
30 minutes in the life of some Russian artillery guys. It does not show anyone getting hurt or killed.
Kinda dry. Shoot and scoot. Near the front lines.
Patrick Lancaster is from US and has been covering the war in Donbass for 8 years.
It's easy to be the best English language war reporter in the Donbass when you are the only such reporter.
When the Russians invaded he embedded with the DPR.

https://youtu.be/9VJb7Zrxc6Q
 Russian Drone, Artillery & Electronic Warfare Destroy Ukraine Positions in Kharkiv
Patrick Lancaster
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 04, 2022, 04:10:49 PM

Nothing new here. Same old for 8 years.
Just a short video clip.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/13136
??‘Who will be selling bread to people otherwise?’ – Donetsk grocery store employees continue working amid Ukrainian shelling.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 05, 2022, 01:02:20 PM
Anti Ukrainian cartoon.
https://t.me/donbassinsider/24565
? Another episode of the Ukrainian nazi pig

? This time the piglet tries to warm himself up in one of the EU countries knocking on their doors and calling them "brothers". Will his "brothers" help him not freeze? Watch and find out!

Red White Blue flag  roosters are French
Black red yellow flag wolves are German
White red flag eagles are Polish
Red Blue White flag Bear is Russian note the pride flags
Red/Orange Green flag bull is Belarusian


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 06, 2022, 11:36:34 AM

Vox Day has a different take on Olaf Scholz recent trip to China.
Based in part on Thesaker also Michael Hidson
https://voxday.net/2022/11/06/winds-of-change/ (https://voxday.net/2022/11/06/winds-of-change/)
Winds of Change

I don’t think The Scorpions will be writing any ballads if the rumors that Germany is attempting to break free of US hegemony are true:
...
https://thesaker.is/berlin-goes-to-beijing-the-real-deal/ (https://thesaker.is/berlin-goes-to-beijing-the-real-deal/)

Berlin goes to Beijing: the real deal
12319 Views November 06, 2022 19 Comments

by Pepe Escobar, posted with the author’s permission and widely cross-posted

With his inimitable flair for economic analysis steeped in historical depth, Professor Michael Hudson’s latest essay, originally written for a German audience, presents a stunning parallel between the Crusades and the current “rules-based international order” imposed by the Hegemon.
...
http://thesaker.is/germanys-position-in-americas-new-world-order/ (http://thesaker.is/germanys-position-in-americas-new-world-order/)

Germany’s position in America’s New World Order
45554 Views November 02, 2022 96 Comments

by Michael Hudson for the Saker blog

Germany has become an economic satellite of America’s New Cold War with Russia, China and the rest of Eurasia. Germany and other NATO countries have been told to impose trade and investment sanctions upon themselves that will outlast today’s proxy war in Ukraine. U.S. President Biden and his State Department spokesmen have explained that Ukraine is just the opening arena in a much broader dynamic that is splitting the world into two opposing sets of economic alliances.
...
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1278764.shtml (https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202211/1278764.shtml)
Scholz’s China visit has more than symbolic significance: Global Times editorial
By Global Times Published: Nov 05, 2022 01:09 AM
...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2022, 11:58:00 AM
I talked about bifurcation long ago...

I get no respect...

https://youtu.be/zECULHZ7eh8 (https://youtu.be/zECULHZ7eh8)

All parties agree...divide the world, by force...what happens...happens...

In other news...

Mahdi death cult in Iran admits drones for Russia....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-admits-supplying-russia-drones-1st-time (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/iran-admits-supplying-russia-drones-1st-time)

...reckon that means Russian and Persian infrastructure is it risk...

And despite Ukraine fatigue...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-privately-telling-ukraine-be-open-negotiations-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-privately-telling-ukraine-be-open-negotiations-putin)

...I doubt any sides shot-callers are in a mood to negotiate...not yet and perhaps not ever...

And the Rus are pointing fingers at HIMARS damaging a dam...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-major-dam-hit-us-supplied-himars-rockets (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-major-dam-hit-us-supplied-himars-rockets)

...so all signs point to continued aggression.

Bifurcate, eradicate...perhaps even exterminate...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 06, 2022, 06:38:44 PM

I have no idea how many previous US wars I have been lied into.
I only paid close attention to this one.
https://rumble.com/v1rsm7o-ukrainian-piglet-animated-political-cartoon.html?mref=1k1hem&mrefc=10
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2022, 08:10:29 AM
Brilliant...

What kind of mouth-breather does that appeal to?

 ::bus::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2022, 08:42:06 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/give-kremlin-warning-us-nuclear-apocalypse-submarine-enters-mediterranean-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/give-kremlin-warning-us-nuclear-apocalypse-submarine-enters-mediterranean-sea)

Warning?   ::hysterical::

Was the US warned when the much more doomsdayish Suvarov and its globe-trotting nuclear powered nuclear torpedoes left port?  No?  Welcome to nuclear-armed nuclear-powered submarire operations, Tyler.

Oh, and tone down to hyperbolic rhetoric!  "Headed for the Black Sea?"  No, puts...it will not enter the Black Sea...even you walked back your BS at the end by amending the incendiary lead with a "towards".

Such a Rus addict!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gauging-chances-biden-putin-meeting-bali (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gauging-chances-biden-putin-meeting-bali)

Chances?  Seriously, can the US puppetmasters afford to show Putin how brain-dead their puppet is?  Only if they want to scare the sh*t out of Putin...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 09:31:50 AM


I remember when the USSR blocked access to western media, including even jamming VOA.
But we could buy Pravda in the US and listen to Radio Moscow on shortwave, proving we were not afraid of access to ideas while the commies were. I listened to shortwave Radio Moscow during the Vietnam War. It sounded like BS propaganda to me but who knows now. They alternated male to female voices which was weird then but very common now in the US.

Now, the first sanctions from the EU were on free flow of people and media from Russia.
I think that is deliberate and critical to the west. If someone from the west wanders around the Donbas with a camera and microphone for a video blog they can and have been criminally charged or at least censored back in their home countries. Germany and England for sure. Recently some France TV reporter was cut off mid sentence when she said that Ukraine was shelling civilian buildings in Kherson like hospitals...... The video feed showed a damaged hospital then went black. I don't recall such manipulation before. Maybe it happened all the time and I never noticed.

A few years back there was some soccer championship held in Russia. Lots of  people from UK went. They came back surprised at how nice the area was and what the people were like. Not what they expected. IMO the EU govt needed to prevent more of that.  I had the same impression from watching video blogs from around the world. China. Vietnam. Iran. But Cuba was worse than I imagined and Venezuela varied with the location.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 09:36:51 AM

Here is the link I lost
https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/407
? Since Russian state media are blocked in the West, how can European people learn about the Russian side of the story?

? Yes, Russian state media have been blocked on virtually all platforms in the West. English-language TV channels from Russia lost their licenses, most official Russian channels on YouTube*, Facebook* and other social media have been blocked and websites of Russian media have been blocked in the West.
First of all, it’s important to ask a question why they were blocked? The West claimed that they are spreading “misinformation” but it hasn’t provided any proof of that except “we think so”. It’s worth noting that measures against Russian channels have been taken immediately after the start of Russian special operation in Ukraine. It looks like that Western governments didn’t really want their people to learn anything about Russian side of the story.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 09:50:16 AM


I started ranting years ago when I learned how the anti Russia sanctions harmed Ukrainian industry and agriculture. At least the US is honest now in stating that their goal is to harm Russia. Helping Ukrainians is never the stated goal.  I recall that many Ukr industries lost their major buyers in Russia but were kept out of the EU markets. Some of that changed later.

It is almost like globalists only care about enriching themselves.

This link deals with the EU vs RU proposals around 2014. I recall that there was some vague belief in Ukraine that if Kiev joined the EU it would become Paris. When the USSR fell many in Moscow believed if they took the advice of the western experts their standard of living would become like that of the west. Instead the western "Harvard Boys", carpetbaggers made things worse. Life expectancy sucked under USSR. Male life expectancy fell by 10 years in the 1990s in Russia as I recall.

https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/408
?Closer cooperation with Russia would mean revival of East Ukrainian industry (a large part of it concentrated in Donbass) that has been initially created back in Imperial times as a part of Russian productions chains and mostly survived because of cooperation with Russia. Cooperation with Russia would mean a market for Ukrainian industry that was unable to compete with European industrial giants in Europe.

?European proposal was less specific and more vague. Europe did propose an association agreement, however this agreement did not contain any specific bonuses for Ukraine, in fact it was a list of demands that Ukraine had to meet to be considered for EU candidate status. A large part of those demands were of economical nature and their implementation would force Ukrainian industries to compete with Europeans directly and thus immediately lose without even starting the game. We saw how compliance with these demands ruined Yuzhmash, Antonov, Nikolaev Shipyard, Kremenchug Steel Plant, Azovmash, Zaporozhye Automobile Plant, Kremenchug Assembly Plant, Odessa Port Chemical Plant and many others.

?It's worth noting that the Russian offer did not exclude the European offer. On the contrary, Russia was ready to see Ukraine as a mediator between the East and the West and help it turn into a hub for trade between Russia and Europe. However, European offer was less accommodative and in fact demanded Ukraine to choose one of the sides.

?Naturally, Western block promoted their offer through affiliated Ukrainian media that promised beautiful and prosperous life in Europe without mentioning the costs of it and without specifying who exactly will live this beautiful and prosperous life. One could think that Soviet people have already fell for this kind of propaganda back in the end of 1980s, but here it came again and a good part of Ukrainian society also fell for it.

?As public discussion of these initiatives was going on, it marked another split in Ukrainian society. About 45 percent Ukrainians believed the media and wanted EU association no matter what, about 20 percent wanted deal with Russia and the rest did not want any association at all and wanted to keep things as they are.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2022, 10:08:31 AM
It is almost like globalists only care about enriching themselves.

Why share what can be taken?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 10:27:25 AM

I don't recall such things in other wars and I only hear this from the Kiev side.
Correct me if I am wrong, with other war examples.
Back around 2014 Kiev backed goons forced 150 demonstrators into the Odessa Trade Union House and set it on fire, killing around 50. Today you can find BBQ specials in Kiev restaurants labelled "Trade Union House."
I find this morbid and unique.

The translation of the sign of Ukrainian rolls for sale allegedly says.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/13325
? Pastry in Cherkassy (Western Ukraine): Delicious just like crussified Russian children
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 10:43:09 AM


More on the history of the Ukr EU vs RU deals back when.
I recall that the EU added some requirements to a deal at the last moment, if the former Ukr president is to be believed. He said it was like a pre-nup presented at the altar and he refused.

https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/411
...
?The rest is well known. Without Russian subsidies and preferences Ukrainian economy was surviving solely through the government taking more and more loans creating debt burden for many generations ahead. Ukrainian industry was destroyed, Ukrainian forests were cut down and sold to Europe, Ukrainian agricultural lands ended in foreign hands and hands of local oligarchs. Ukraine did bite a hand that was feeding it and soon found out that new masters are not so generous and won’t give them anything for free.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2022, 12:11:33 PM
Yah, don't care about Uke angst on Rus...I didn't suffer under Soviet pogroms so I cannot begrudge anybody their animosity...

It would be like someone questioning my low opinion of DemoCommies and Cucks...how dare you!

Now, back to regularly scheduled programming...

The only reality that matters (https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fxwlu77268g1z.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D25c2c45f3493af3ef14b08372ad844026b20f3f6&key=MHFa3jq-GciX1tnGE0BmmQ&w=600&h=422)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 01:11:26 PM
Someone reminded us that when the USSR fell apart the experts predicted that Ukraine would be the richest country out of the mix. It goes to show that culture matters. The corruption was incredible. As I understand it, Russia managed to get their oligarchs under some control. Maybe Putin made them an offer they could not refuse, gangster style. In Ukraine that did not happen.

Then much later the anti Russia sanctions hit Ukraine hard. I  was horrified for Ukraine at the time.
The Russia market was closed to many Ukraine industries but other markets like EU were protected so they were screwed. I am no expert on Ukraine, but I read that the western part is agricultural and Kiev is an extractive administrative city, like DC.

I have no problem noting  unique Ukrainian behaviors. I understand ethnic slurs, discrimination, and name calling.What did we call enemies in wars?  I understand how people act in wars. I used to think the USSR were big meanies after WWII. Later I thought they were not that bad in historical context. What would mongols or the Romans do? Russia left after a short period of post war occupation, not plow salt into the soil.

I saw a video of people in a Kiev nightclub in 2014 cutting open a Russian baby cake while imitating it's please for help. Because Ukraine was part of the USSR? So was Buttfukistan. They don't do that. Most cultures don't.

I read that Russians suffered most under communism relative to other USSR regions. Maybe because their wealth was used to expand communism and subjugate other regions? Now they do not have to share and are doing OK. US News did a long special long ago on how the USSR benefited the "stans." Reminded me of the Romans and their conquests.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 07, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
The Ukrainians were never allowed to be Ukrainians...under anybody...

I know from family history...

My grandfather fled in early 20's, not even 16 and walked, with other immigrants...to Hamburg...then Ellis Island etc...

Ukrainians under Austro-Hungarian rule were 3rd class citizens...and had to speak Polish, because the Poles were 2nd class citizens used as bureaucrats to administer A-H law and regs unto the people...akin to telling Americans they have to speak Mandarin, read Mandarin...conduct all business in Mandarin...then under Soviets they had to speak/write Russian...over the centuries from the fall of Rome to now they've largely been overrun by one warlord or another...they had a brief bit of independence as princes of the Kievian Rus...until their fellow Rus from up north realized they were bigger more numerous and powerful than their kinsmen to the south and began their domination of them...

Being a peasant sucks enough...lack of opportunity beyond farm laborer or factory laborer or house servant sucks enough...forced to adopt a foreign language and keep your own culture behind closed doors is an insult...

Those Stans that were bettered as it were were not bettered culturally...they too had to conduct business in Russian...maybe they got indoor plumbing and semi-modern farming contrivances...a rudimentary modern education of sorts...they still knew they were lower caste...

But hey, we freed our slaves and made them equal...fat lot of thanks we got for that, eh?  Century and a half later and they act like they are still in chains...too stupid to realize they put the chains back on their own necks...maybe permanent bitch status is the way to go...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 07, 2022, 02:44:37 PM
I have had a habit of putting on video blogs from different countries. Lots long ago from China then the same guys from Vietnam. One New Zealand guy from all over including hitch hiking Iran. Many recently from Russia. All over the place. Bald and Bankrupt. Some religious Australian immigrant farmers near Altai.

One young woman went through a typical Russian school day. She also went through the first day of school all over the federation, Sept 1. It is big deal. The curriculum is the same all over. Then she said in the republics with a second official language this slot is where they teach that language. I had no idea. So I looked it up. 21 of 22 republics have at least one more official language other than Russian.

My impression is that in such a polyglot region you have to make efforts to get along. Kiev decided not to any more. I am sure Russian is more equal than the other language(s) in the Russian federation but still ...... In order to hold things together they cut the republics some slack.

I saw one episode of Bald and Bankrupt. He went to some enclave Sokh. The Sokh enclave is a very symbolical place in the Fergana Valley and in Central Asia. It is mostly populated by ethnic Tajiks, belongs to Uzbekistan, and is located in the territory of Kyrgyzstan. They speak a different language than the outside country it is part of.

It is like Iowa belongs to Canada but they speak German.

IMO the imperial languages have more speakers and literature than others. English is the grand daddy of imperial languages. How did that happen? One small island!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2022, 08:23:50 AM
They are more tolerant under post-Soviet Russia than Soviet Russia, No?!

/

So, The Putin Doctrine of seizing territory where people (had to) speak Russian in the Soviet days and where settlement (of ethnic Russian) people in these areas (under said previous Soviet and Imperial Russian governments) makes domination of these areas (or having their pro-Russia puppet running the whole country) is sufficient legitimacy to annex territory?  How many people speak English around the world where the US and England could annex them?  How does that make the Russian government more ethical than the West wanting their puppet running things?  Toe-may-to/toe-mah-to!  Same thing.  As I said, nobody wants to give the Ukrainian people a true legitimate chance at independence. B-b-b-but they are too corrupt?  No sh*t?  Where did they learn that from?  Corrupt Imperial Russia, Soviet Russia, Western exploiters?  All of the above.

No angels, no saints, no morally superior folks involved on any side of this.  That is the only truth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 08, 2022, 09:17:12 AM


They are more tolerant under post-Soviet Russia than Soviet Russia, No?!

/

So, The Putin Doctrine of seizing territory where people (had to) speak Russian in the Soviet days and where settlement (of ethnic Russian) people in these areas (under said previous Soviet and Imperial Russian governments) makes domination of these areas (or having their pro-Russia puppet running the whole country) is sufficient legitimacy to annex territory?  How many people speak English around the world where the US and England could annex them?  How does that make the Russian government more ethical than the West wanting their puppet running things?  Toe-may-to/toe-mah-to!  Same thing.  As I said, nobody wants to give the Ukrainian people a true legitimate chance at independence. B-b-b-but they are too corrupt?  No sh*t?  Where did they learn that from?  Corrupt Imperial Russia, Soviet Russia, Western exploiters?  All of the above.

No angels, no saints, no morally superior folks involved on any side of this.  That is the only truth.

I never said any of those things.


Putin doctrine? Where did you get that?

I had no idea that at least a second local language is taught in Russian Federations schools in 21 or 22 republics. There must be a reason for that.  If some Russians proposed to stop teaching Chechen in Chechnya public schools, to remove those books, and fine people for speaking it in stores (as they did in Ukraine) what is the upside to compensate for the civil disturbance?

I understand the reasons for the WWII Germans and Japanese trying to grab some empire as they were late to that party. There was a big upside if they succeeded. I can't see a big upside to Kiev taking actions that would lead to war. The planned Mar 2022 invasion of Donbass would have done that. You can 'blame' many parties but a different route could have been taken to avoid war. I conclude that Kiev and especially  DC wanted war. We seem to have been in more than a few in recent decades and not by accident.

No analogy is perfect. What if the US wanted to have Taiwan join NATO but doing so would trigger a Chinese invasion? Would we do it because of some right we say Taiwan has? After all, the western press would blame Pres Xi for the invasion so that would be worth the mess?  Knowing all that should be have Taiwan join NATO?  Shouldn't they have that right? Or no?

The US used some "responsibility to protect" as a reason to destroy Libya. We used a similar excuse to protect ethnic Albanians inside Kosovo to bomb Serbia. These places are on the other side of the world.
When Russia claims similar motivations to protect Russian speakers and ethnic Russians inside Ukraine on their border we pretend these reasons are fake.

I think the real bad guys in Ukraine are the US and the west. If the US had made it clear that in the event of war we would not aid Kiev their actions would have been different. People in the Donbass did not want independence or to be part of Russia. Read the old polls. They wanted some autonomy. You can read that. Speak their language and maybe elect local officials like their governor. Russia did not want them independent or part of Russia until this year. You can read that. Kiev could have extracted wealth and taxes as before. Win win. But that would avoid war which the US wanted and planned for for years.

The US via UK messengers blew up the Apr 2022 Istanbul proposals from Kiev because we wanted more war. We care about Ukrainians as much as Libyans or Syrians. Zero.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2022, 11:43:11 AM
Putin Doctrine comes from, well...Putin...

Read his pre-invasion statements and annexation statements.  Zero mention of how those areas came to have Russians/Russian speakers.  It was a gift, without which we would not be having this conversation.

People in the CHAD or whatever it was called, all the defund the police folks...Somali and other "immigrants" (no distinction of legal or illegal necessary) basically want autonomy too...within the US...

Where is it writ we have to give it or tolerate it?   ::whatgives::

You come to a country, inside its borders regardless if you like those borders or not...you assimilate into that nation, its laws, its language...its culture...that had been the traditional American experience...doesn't say you cannot believe whatever the hell you want, doesn't say you can't speak whatever you want in your home...just means in day to day life you adapt to your host country...

Why didn't ethnic Russians leave Ukraine?  Did they have the option granted to them by post-Soviet Russia?  If they stayed did they think they could be autonomous?  Who gave them that idea?

I come back to the same point...no saints...nobody can mind their own business, nobody is accountable for any of their past actions...picking sides is futile and can only guarantee endless conflict...

If a meteor came down and made a crater of the entire area, perhaps then people would move on...but I doubt it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 08, 2022, 02:44:39 PM
That is a rather provincial American way of viewing the whole world.
Many regions have more than one official language.
I gave several examples.
Live and let live is one way of getting along. I prefer that.
Much of the world gets along just fine that way.
Driving one ethnic group out a region is another way that has been done over history. You prefer that.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers loyal to Kiev have fled west and been driven back because people in western Ukr mostly hate Russians and Russian speakers.
Ukraine is not the US.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 08, 2022, 04:58:37 PM
That is a rather provincial American way of viewing the whole world.
Many regions have more than one official language.
I gave several examples.
Live and let live is one way of getting along. I prefer that.
Much of the world gets along just fine that way.
Driving one ethnic group out a region is another way that has been done over history. You prefer that.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers loyal to Kiev have fled west and been driven back because people in western Ukr mostly hate Russians and Russian speakers.
Ukraine is not the US.

Provincial?  Ukraine not the US?  No sh*t?!

And I did not say drive anybody out...I asked why people chose to stay?  In America there is assimilation into the culture and tradition...well, used to be...now thanks to commies and cucks we have foreign enclaves in our midst, cultural degradation and dumbing down to the lowest denominator possible...

Since we're not driving anybody out you have to be loving latter day America, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on November 08, 2022, 05:04:36 PM
I'd not like to see this place havin' a blowout, if y'all please.   ::curtsy4::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 08, 2022, 05:54:01 PM
That is a rather provincial American way of viewing the whole world.
Many regions have more than one official language.
I gave several examples.
Live and let live is one way of getting along. I prefer that.
Much of the world gets along just fine that way.
Driving one ethnic group out a region is another way that has been done over history. You prefer that.
Ethnic Russians and Russian speakers loyal to Kiev have fled west and been driven back because people in western Ukr mostly hate Russians and Russian speakers.
Ukraine is not the US.

Provincial?  Ukraine not the US?  No sh*t?!

And I did not say drive anybody out...I asked why people chose to stay?  In America there is assimilation into the culture and tradition...well, used to be...now thanks to commies and cucks we have foreign enclaves in our midst, cultural degradation and dumbing down to the lowest denominator possible...

Since we're not driving anybody out you have to be loving latter day America, eh?

Why does anyone chose to stay anywhere?
The same reasons as those.
They were born someplace  as where their parents and grandparents.
They have friends and relatives and jobs.
They don't all speak the same language in the one country as mostly in the US.
In Switzerland they have 3 official languages. Are they supposed to "assimilate"?
Q. Why doesn't Russia outlaw speaking any language but Russian in stores in their 22 republics?
A. Because it would be stupid and self destructive.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 09, 2022, 07:57:55 AM
Well, I guess I stop asking questions...seems expectations are at variance with reality that no amount of wishes and finger-pointing are unlikely to alter in the slightest so I will restrain myself to only posting actual activity related to this unending conflict...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on November 09, 2022, 08:19:37 AM
Well, I guess I stop asking questions...seems expectations are at variance with reality that no amount of wishes and finger-pointing are unlikely to alter in the slightest so I will restrain myself to only posting actual activity related to this unending conflict...

I don't see anything wrong with asking questions, however ............ horse to water/no drinkee seems to be the issue, as you've indicated.

And, apparently, a subtle word is non-effective in some parts.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 10, 2022, 11:26:53 AM
Have this guy on in background. Covers a lot of ground.
I think he is on to something.
He reads a lot.
I have heard the same thing before.
The Chinese people believe that the system is generally responsive to what they want.
More so than US people.
Even a monarchy can be responsive.
https://youtu.be/6ZK25FLrlUY
EUROPE'S FUTURE IS SET.. AND IT AIN'T PRETTY
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2022, 11:47:12 AM
Everybody's future is set...and it's gonna be a blast...

https://westernrifleshooters.us/2022/11/08/ap-not-good/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2022, 08:39:17 AM
Silly Hungarians...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hungary-explains-huge-impact-total-failure-anti-russia-sanctions-europeans (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hungary-explains-huge-impact-total-failure-anti-russia-sanctions-europeans)

...none of the antagonists (your perspective, pick any one!) wants peace...

...strength, power...violence is the order of the day...

...all states like Hungary will get is blown away by all sides.

This thing will get hotter, everybody excited to start tossing nukes.

Got the Arctic going hotter now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-us-drops-experimental-parachuted-missile-arctic-warning-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-us-drops-experimental-parachuted-missile-arctic-warning-russia)

All trends remain firmly in step with the war drum beat...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 11, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
Silly Hungarians...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hungary-explains-huge-impact-total-failure-anti-russia-sanctions-europeans (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/hungary-explains-huge-impact-total-failure-anti-russia-sanctions-europeans)

...none of the antagonists (your perspective, pick any one!) wants peace...

...strength, power...violence is the order of the day...

...all states like Hungary will get is blown away by all sides.

This thing will get hotter, everybody excited to start tossing nukes.

 ...
Earlier anti Russian sanction destroyed lots of Ukrainian businesses not that anyone cared.

After banning Ukrainian sales to Russian customers other markets were closed to protect local businesses.

Watching these newer sanctions is like watching a car or train crash in slow motion. 100% predictable.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 11, 2022, 12:45:49 PM

I had Garland Nixon on. Plain spoken. Retired cop. Big reader.
He recently said that US diplomacy is saying "nice doggy" until we can find a rock to kill the dog with, and Russia and China both know it. Ha! Funny guy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 11, 2022, 01:23:02 PM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7a607814cc0c78e19e25aef65c040c0a3f1c6bd8bc425b81c3d7785fcfea88af.jpg)H/T-WZ

Yorgi Bushnikov in Kyiv...

"More war comin'!"

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2022, 09:13:41 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surovikins-difficult-choice-kherson (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/surovikins-difficult-choice-kherson)

Well, Big Serge is probably choosing the most logical reason for the Russian retreat back across the Dnieper in the Kherson Oblast...(side note, odd name, Big Serge...)...and I find it humorous he refers to Surovikin as General Armageddon

Anyway, things being fluid and action shifting to the North and Northeast...come spring I would not be surprised to hear Kherson once more being in play.

All sides committed here...the grind goes on...

Big Serge says Ares wants more blood...Ares or not, more blood there will be...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2022, 12:13:47 PM
"Today’s era must not be of war."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deep-division-g20-bid-produce-statement-condemning-russian-invasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deep-division-g20-bid-produce-statement-condemning-russian-invasion)

 ::laughonfloor::

I'm sure the Lavrov contribution will be likewise DOA for peaceful prospects...

 ::unknowncomic::

More impetus for global conflict...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-calls-russia-pay-war-reparations-breakdown-vote (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-calls-russia-pay-war-reparations-breakdown-vote)

...interesting how few pals, and what pals they are, Russia has...

...if anything they are losing the winning hearts and minds propaganda war...

...it's like the Soviet days all over again...

...and that pesky all-out throw-down question seems fully on track for a center ring show of shows...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 15, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
I did not follow the G20 thing.

Some of it depends on the audience. On a broader scale Lavrov got a hero's welcome in the so called global south. Blinken was really upset and stupidly said so. Made him look foolish. Africa remembers Russia in their support for national liberation back when and the west as colonizers. Could be all BS but that is what they remember. Lavrov took a victory lap through Africa

The Duran guys are both diplomats sons as I recall. I know Alex is from Cyprus and grew up in US, Mexico, and Russia. Hence their interest in diplomacy and disgust at current US children diplomats.  They have long admired Lavrov and recently Zacharova. Me too. They point out the former good diplomats around the world, including Canada long ago.

The Duran has long sold coffee mugs and Tshirts with We Lov Rov
The US finally sent an adult, former Russian ambassador Burns, to Istanbul.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2022, 08:48:30 AM
National liberation?  Is that what they call Soviets introducing Marxism?  Trading colonial imperialists for Marxist goons...liberation.  Ooh Kay...

And the poison is still wreaking havoc in the continent...

It's nice Lavrov has fanboyz...really, the ghost of Andrei Gromyko must be so incredulous...

Anywho...Herr Schwab still banging lecterns Kruschev-style and demanding "restructuring" ze veruld and introducing "stakeholder capitalism" (cough, "fascism!, cough)...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wefs-klaus-schwab-gives-speech-g20-need-restructure-world (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wefs-klaus-schwab-gives-speech-g20-need-restructure-world)

So, leftist totalitarianism...no different than centrist totalitarianism (fascism)...they just argue over how to spin the fact that its all about the elite using the peasants and middling bureaucrats in between!

More sanctions that won't amount to crap - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sanction-external-network-supplying-russia-military-tech (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-sanction-external-network-supplying-russia-military-tech)

Another yawn-worthy development - RT Serbia - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-under-fire-over-launch-rt-balkan-network (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-under-fire-over-launch-rt-balkan-network)

And, in war sh!t happens, in this case friendly fire on Poland - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-tumble-after-report-stray-rockets-hit-polish-town-near-ukraine-killing-two (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/futures-tumble-after-report-stray-rockets-hit-polish-town-near-ukraine-killing-two)

Oops, sorry.

What a dull day...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 16, 2022, 12:41:53 PM
Jello-head JoeFraud impressing his, uhh, peers...

https://www.weaselzippers.us/487078-after-speaking-for-an-entire-minute-bumbling-biden-checks-mic-do-i-have-this-on/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/487078-after-speaking-for-an-entire-minute-bumbling-biden-checks-mic-do-i-have-this-on/)

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3f84bfbab4c79de83244bea6a35d4e1034096690e8238a3eda3f492091aeffad.jpg)

I can just hear the chatter from Xi et al  (Attack America, now!)...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/81364539fedccbed51e6cffd331251fad6c0bdb0d4df86a52f381e175aa0c078.png)H/T's-WZ

 ::unknowncomic::

PS - Very good question...

https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1592626555611926528 (https://twitter.com/WallStreetSilv/status/1592626555611926528)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 19, 2022, 11:35:19 AM

He makes sense to me. He knows a lot of history and military history.
Right now near the end of #1 he tells of his grandfather home from WWI and was anti war after that.
He was involved with several wars including Yugoslavia and Iraq.

I found this playlist mostly about Ukraine war. 8 videos so far.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL20Ot3J1dJgG7XpqMJNa38houieHUYT9e (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL20Ot3J1dJgG7XpqMJNa38houieHUYT9e)
Straight Calls with Douglas Macgregor
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2022, 07:48:59 AM
Is this the same guy that led an armored Platoon in GWI (and who says we pulled up short), whose ideas to make the Army more mobile modular units a la the maneuver warfare concepts the USMC adopted by John Boyd that the Army REMF's poohed on, the guy who said the Army prefers generals as bureaucrats vs innovative field commanders, who the Army basically shelved with staff jobs and killed his career at Colonel and left the Army only to come back as an advisor to Wesley Clark and help plan the bombardment of Serbia and who was a regular on Fox with Carlson and who the demoscum denied his ambassadorship the Germany?

What happened to that guy?  It's like something snapped in his head.  Maybe the war on the REMFs caused a blood vessel to snap...went from planning Serbian bombardment to being opposed to Kosovo intervention...which I do not disagree with as I've always said its a Euro issue not a US or NATO problem...but in 2014 he seems to have become a dedicated Russian asset...I dislike the political bureaucratic anti-warrior REMFs too...I guess some loath them to such an extent that a total 180 is possible and they desire to see the world burnt to a cinder if it rids them of the infestation they most despise...I guess I went only 90 degrees...I'm not built to give any quarter to the mongrels of the steppes, Eurotrash or the globalist totalitarians infesting America...in my book I despise everybody to the exclusion of none!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2022, 09:02:40 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/heavy-shelling-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-you-are-playing-fire (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/heavy-shelling-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant-you-are-playing-fire)

Your fault!  No, your fault!

IAEA properly saying (who said that?) don't care...knock it off!

Rotten kids with bad toys playing in a powder-keg...

SSDD

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rejects-alleged-offer-short-truce-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-rejects-alleged-offer-short-truce-russia)

Short truce?  To what end?  Seems a rather weak play to attempt...

Anyway, seriously doubt the appetite for death has abated in any party...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 22, 2022, 12:05:32 PM

How long until the EU countries explode?
Will they blame the US for blowing up the pipeline?
Will they storm the US embassy and use the furniture for firewood?

A video on rising tension in Europe.
https://youtu.be/6VnDRZ1y8AQ
 Ice Station Europe | Energy costs to challenge Europeans in winter
iEarlGrey
103K subscribers

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on November 22, 2022, 08:55:44 PM
That's a 24 minute vid.  I can read faster than that.

Where do you find the time?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 23, 2022, 09:13:34 AM
Gotta be a PJW condensed version of the same out there for a 1/3 the time.

Anyway, doesn't matter....the Euroslaves routinely go apesh*t...the elite continue down the same suicidal path...

SSDD

When it breaks, it has to break hard...same as everywhere...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 23, 2022, 08:34:55 PM
That's a 24 minute vid.  I can read faster than that.

Where do you find the time?
1. I don't have a life
2. I have it on in background on Roku, like talk radio. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 25, 2022, 11:55:58 AM
Here's 16 not wanting life for anybody...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senators-press-pentagon-give-ukraine-advanced-drones (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senators-press-pentagon-give-ukraine-advanced-drones)

https://www.ernst.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2022-11-22_ernst_manchin_gray_eagle_letter.pdf (https://www.ernst.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2022-11-22_ernst_manchin_gray_eagle_letter.pdf)

Even with downgraded tech...this is something that is sure to kick-start WWIII...

A seriously stupid escalation...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2022, 11:39:18 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-accuses-washington-making-fortune-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-accuses-washington-making-fortune-ukraine-war)

Yeah...

I'd caution Russophiles to curb their glee...

I seriously doubt a spat of profiteering jealousy between elites in and off itself will cause any rift in the NWO/GR crowd...the very structure of their cabal necessitates hanging together to the bitter end...

And the article leaves out the obvious ruination of American domestic energy industry via policy dictates and the ruination of everything with its corrupt wasteful spending binge and easy fiat insanity...

We'll see whose unemployed, starving and freezing serfs impacts who...

Meanwhile, in other related news...

Russia's Neo-Nazi mercenaries in the Wagner Group send a love note to the EU Parliament...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/wagnersledgehammer.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-group-sent-blood-stained-sledgehammer-eu-parliament (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-group-sent-blood-stained-sledgehammer-eu-parliament)

Fake blood?

Not very chilling IMO...

Russian Neo-Nazi kung fu is weak!   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 27, 2022, 02:03:20 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-accuses-washington-making-fortune-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eu-accuses-washington-making-fortune-ukraine-war)

Yeah...

I'd caution Russophiles to curb their glee...

I seriously doubt a spat of profiteering jealousy between elites in and off itself will cause any rift in the NWO/GR crowd...the very structure of their cabal necessitates hanging together to the bitter end...

And the article leaves out the obvious ruination of American domestic energy industry via policy dictates and the ruination of everything with its corrupt wasteful spending binge and easy fiat insanity...

We'll see whose unemployed, starving and freezing serfs impacts who...

Meanwhile, in other related news...

Russia's Neo-Nazi mercenaries in the Wagner Group send a love note to the EU Parliament...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/wagnersledgehammer.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-group-sent-blood-stained-sledgehammer-eu-parliament (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-group-sent-blood-stained-sledgehammer-eu-parliament)

Fake blood?

Not very chilling IMO...

Russian Neo-Nazi kung fu is weak!   ::hysterical::
That hammer should convince the EU that they are not a terrorist organization. /s
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 27, 2022, 02:15:27 PM

Here is my favorite sledgehammer sent to the EU. Clare Daly.
Fiery hot Irish redhead.

https://youtu.be/VGvHJwtY2rM
Irish MEP Clare Daly Names & Shames EU & America Over State-Sponsored Terrorism In Viral Speech

https://youtu.be/yWFwLplLJ1E
MEP Clare Daly- speech from 15 Sep 2022

https://youtu.be/9jhCkIjFnXA
MEP Clare Daly calls out EU on wanting to supply arms to Ukraine but not Palestine or Yemen

https://youtu.be/TUBaq-7LpMA
European Parliament member Clare Daly calls out foreign interference in Horn of Africa
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2022, 09:09:53 PM
Yeah...not sure Arafatistan & Houthians are a good comparative...

Same as arming Iran directly...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
Ha!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/20-nato-states-pretty-tapped-out-after-weapons-transfers-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/20-nato-states-pretty-tapped-out-after-weapons-transfers-ukraine)

Seems the cheap seats don't know how to properly run the graft game very well...if your politicians and globalists don't know how to enrich themselves it must be either you are not that adept at it or you lack the defense industry necessary to for it to back-fill transfers with the latest greatest off the production lines...

 ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 29, 2022, 12:35:10 PM

Sorry no link.
I heard over youtube that Ukraine killed one or two Iranian (drone techs?)  in Crimea as they were upset over Iranian drones.
Something tells me this will not make Iran back down.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2022, 09:22:53 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/stoltenberg-reaffirms-ukraine-will-one-day-enter-nato (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/stoltenberg-reaffirms-ukraine-will-one-day-enter-nato)

Must be because the (primarily Western) Euro states are as corrupt as Ukraine, eh?   ::pokeineye::

I mean, the corruption thing was always the excuse, right?  Don't think they've gotten less corrupt...therefore Euro's must be getting more corrupt...we know America is corrupt...last 2 elections corrupt as all Hell...corrupt holding every office there is to hold at the federal level...political dissidents in jail permanently without due process...censorship, lies...citizens treated like lab rats...

Yeah, I'd argue Ukraine is perhaps less corrupt than a lot of their would-be NATO partners!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 30, 2022, 04:51:41 PM
Ursula of EU recently was scolding Russia and said that 100,000 Ukrainian officers had been killed. I think she meant soldiers. Anyway, the video and written versions were scrubbed from the internet and replaced with a new video with that part removed.
Apparently she did not know she was not supposed to say that.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 01, 2022, 08:22:24 AM
Well, as good as Z-man and Putin are at controlling propaganda...both will have a hard time hiding the one thing hardest to hide...though I contend Putin has it harder (as in-theater means Z-man can uhh, bury...things quicker) - the body bags going back home.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2022, 08:29:39 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-testing-legal-options-use-frozen-russian-central-bank-assets-ukraine-reconstruction (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-testing-legal-options-use-frozen-russian-central-bank-assets-ukraine-reconstruction)

Whatever, don't care...set a new precedent or don't...whupty-de-do...

This, however...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/latvia-calls-nato-allow-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russian-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/latvia-calls-nato-allow-ukrainian-strikes-inside-russian-territory)

...looks like somebody who wants some payback for past Russian sins.

Well, 70 some years of Soviet oppression and terror often finds resentment in generations exposed to it, and the end of that occupation was only a generation ago...

If only they were nicer to their neighbors...

Oh well, sh*t happens.

Fortunately for Russia there are enough frightened of escalation...bifurcated Europe has always been there...the once Russian-occupied East vs the bed-wetting West...and issues between these strange bedfellows are not going away...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 02, 2022, 11:56:42 AM
Hot air...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/first-time-biden-prepared-speak-mr-putin-about-ending-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/first-time-biden-prepared-speak-mr-putin-about-ending-ukraine-war)

Moving on...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 02, 2022, 06:42:02 PM
Whenever I see a headline like this I read down to see the pre-conditions that are totally out of line.
Jeffery Sachs says that he begged the white house in dec. 2021 to negotiate with Russia to avoid a war. He has enough pull to get an answer. He was told negotiations were off the table. The US wanted war.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2022, 08:07:16 AM
Whenever I see a headline like this I read down to see the pre-conditions that are totally out of line.
Jeffery Sachs says that he begged the white house in dec. 2021 to negotiate with Russia to avoid a war. He has enough pull to get an answer. He was told negotiations were off the table. The US wanted war.

Probably because as Mr. Sustainable Development and Mr. UN Anti-Poverty Czar he is operating outside of his containment zone of less-important Marxist schemes...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2022, 08:03:51 AM
Interesting...a surprise visit to Crimea...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-drives-mercedes-closest-point-hes-ever-been-ukraine-frontlines (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-drives-mercedes-closest-point-hes-ever-been-ukraine-frontlines)

...while 2 targets in Russia hit...prompting more airstrikes on Ukraine...

Business as usual...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 06, 2022, 08:50:00 AM
Whenever I see a headline like this I read down to see the pre-conditions that are totally out of line.
Jeffery Sachs says that he begged the white house in dec. 2021 to negotiate with Russia to avoid a war. He has enough pull to get an answer. He was told negotiations were off the table. The US wanted war.

Probably because as Mr. Sustainable Development and Mr. UN Anti-Poverty Czar he is operating outside of his containment zone of less-important Marxist schemes...

I never liked Mr. Globalism. I only quoted him as a likely honest source on what the white house said in December 2021.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2022, 11:46:09 AM
Whenever I see a headline like this I read down to see the pre-conditions that are totally out of line.
Jeffery Sachs says that he begged the white house in dec. 2021 to negotiate with Russia to avoid a war. He has enough pull to get an answer. He was told negotiations were off the table. The US wanted war.

Probably because as Mr. Sustainable Development and Mr. UN Anti-Poverty Czar he is operating outside of his containment zone of less-important Marxist schemes...

I never liked Mr. Globalism. I only quoted him as a likely honest source on what the white house said in December 2021.

Well, in the end it doesn't matter if it is true or not...actions always speak louder than words...

Meanwhile...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/third-russian-airbase-set-ablaze-drone-strike-ukraine-extends-war-across-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/third-russian-airbase-set-ablaze-drone-strike-ukraine-extends-war-across-border)

...the war continues...

And, perhaps the Euroclowns will expand it to include an inter-European civil war?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-lone-veto-eu18bn-ukraine-aid-package-rift-deepens (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-lone-veto-eu18bn-ukraine-aid-package-rift-deepens)

Such children...being opposed to war without end (or a radioactive end) doesn't mean being pro-Russia...a nation like Hungary has actually lived under more Russian aggression than any Western European state...Orban is saying find a way to end this...Mr.Greenie McDipsh*t is an imbecile...if he wanted to give Putin a legitimate present he would exit the EU and join the Russian Federation you mentally-stunted worm!

World is choke full of imbeciles!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2022, 08:57:30 AM
Ahh ha, the Rus appear to want to open a second front in the far East...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-erects-new-missile-base-island-near-japan-round-clock-watch (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-erects-new-missile-base-island-near-japan-round-clock-watch)

...I think they'll find the Japanese a little more problematic than the Ukrainian's...

...militarizing disputed areas, like their big pal Red China...

...more pieces in place to make this a global event.

Trying to keep pace...US to sell M1A1's to Poland.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-approves-sale-375bn-m1-abrams-tanks-poland (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-approves-sale-375bn-m1-abrams-tanks-poland)

More toys, yay!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 12, 2022, 10:31:17 AM
Bullish for escalating war-fever....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-gives-tacit-support-ukrainian-drone-attacks-deep-inside-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-gives-tacit-support-ukrainian-drone-attacks-deep-inside-russia)

What's next?  IRBM's?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2022, 09:13:16 PM

More of the same in Ukraine

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2675 (https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2675)
??Daily reminder: There are Nazis in Ukraine.

?? Ukrainian kids wearing "German style" military hats with Azov sign, EuroMaidan.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2731 (https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2731)
??A reminder of Ukrainan practices — the burning of icons in Shirokino after the Azov raid on the homes of local residents, 2015.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2764 (https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2764)
Such a cute little Ukrainian girl. Watch the video!

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2768 (https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2768)
🇺🇦 Ukrainian neo-Nazies.

Jewish Black Russian babies for breakfast..

In the demented racist nazi Ukraine it is normal to sell this sort of merch, and if you are one of the 80 percent of the ethnic Russians living in this crazy NATO proxy who does not agree with this, you will be quickly "dissapeared"..

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2771 (https://t.me/heilukraine1959/2771)
??The Kiev regime is trying to force the Orthodox Church parishioners to sing the Ukrainian anthem instead of the church chants.

??The parishioners refuse and continue singing the chants. The Kiev regime Nazi raiders then begin yelling that these churchgoers should move to Russia.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/16722 (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/16722)
The center of Donetsk today again came under Ukrainian terrorists shelling

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/16720 (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/16720)
??Italian journalists are in Donbass covering the conflict, they risk their lives and careers to show Italians the truth of what's happening in Ukraine.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10489 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10489)
??💥 AFU again attacked the central districts of Donetsk

 According to the JCCC, Ukrainian militants fired 20 rockets from the BM-21 "Grad" at the Voroshilovsky and Kalininsky districts of the city.

On the photo one of the central hospital in Donetsk.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10498 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10498)
'That's how the shell hit the house.' A resident of Donetsk shows the result of the shelling by Ukrainian artillery using 155 mm shells. On December 4th, several houses were damaged. There is information about four wounded civilians.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10502 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10502)
💥 Check out the footage from Melitopol

A HIMARS MLRS missile attack from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine caused fire at the recreation centre. According to preliminary data, two people were killed and two were injured.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10507 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10507)
Consequences of the shelling of a hospital in the Kalininsky district of Donetsk

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10522 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10522)
'I leaped out and saw flames.' Residents of the Kievskiy and Voroshilovskiy districts of Donetsk describe how they survived another shelling of residential buildings by the Ukrainian military. 

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10538 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10538)
‘This is a civilian facility. This is a home. How could they do this?’ A tourist centre in Melitopol was shelled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the night of Saturday to Sunday. There are two dead and ten injured in the tragedy, authorities stated.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1310 (https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1310)
??📣Ukraine Fires Rockets On Center Donetsk Killing Many (Civilians Under fire)
??📣
Ukraine has once again turned to Attacking the center of Donetsk randomly across civilian areas. Many civilians have been killed in these attacks just this week. In this report I give you the most detailed account of the Ukrainian Grad Rocket attack from midday (12/09) on the center of Donetsk. I personally found 9 Rocket impacts from this attack. Watch until end for a strange outcome. The world needs to see this so the understand the truth of what is happening in Donetsk. I am not in Kiev  or Oddesa, I am in Donetsk showing the world what the western main stream media wont show.
Like all my reports this reportage has full English and Russian Translations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcdBfWdODQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcdBfWdODQ&feature=youtu.be)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcdBfWdODQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCcdBfWdODQ)

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1312 (https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1312)
??📣Ukraine Rocket Attack Burns Man Alive & Destroys Home??📣

Unfortunately, a Ukrainian "Grad" Rocket attack on Donetsk caused a man to burn to death as his home burned down around him after being hit by a Ukrainian "Grad" Rocket.
Ukraine is again opening fire on the center of Donetsk with heavy weapons daily. Many civilians have been killed in these attacks just this week. In this report I give you the most detailed account of the last nights Ukrainian Grad Rocket attack on the center of Donetsk. Aman died as his home burned down, athe center market was hit again and several apartment buildings were hit in this attack and I reported at all the locations just minutes after the attack.  This is clearly a random attack on civilian areas. The world needs to see this so the understand the truth of what is happening in Donetsk. I am not in Kiev  or Oddesa, I am in Donetsk showing the world what the western main stream media wont show.
 Putin says ‘agreement will have to be reached’ to end the conflict as he hints at a ‘long’ conflict and says risk of nuclear war is on the rise.  So when will Ukraine come to the table for negotiations and save lives?

Like all my reports this reportage has full English and Russian Translations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB7O2uPHGtE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB7O2uPHGtE&feature=youtu.be)
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1315 (https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1315)
As every day and night Ukraine forces have opened fire on Center Donetsk. Now I show you the Opera Theatre and children clothing store that was hit by rockets at 5am this morning.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1318 (https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1318)
In addition to the children clothing store and Opera Theatre being hit by A Ukraine Rocket attack this morning, a elderly man's apartment was completely destroyed


https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10547 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/10547)
Either #TheTimes has a very distorted understanding of the term "barracks" or this is just another attempt to whitewash #UkrainianWarCrimes.

Would not be surprised if both.

Video below shows damage from Ukrainian missile strikes to a hotel complex in #Melitopol with only civilians residing there. No military targets whatsoever.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 14, 2022, 09:59:05 AM
I heard the Uke's wiped out one of Putin's Nazi Wagner Group bases...so that should be fewer Nazi's overall in-country...   ::whoohoo::

In other news...

Seems the Stasi spawned wretch Merkel was the driving force behind Euro duplicity in Euro-Russian relations...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/merkels-confession-duplicity-minsk-accords-cold-war-20-just-got-colder (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/merkels-confession-duplicity-minsk-accords-cold-war-20-just-got-colder)

...which proves two undeniable facts - 1) any "deception" any intents to "exploit" Ukraine is 100% a Euro issue, period and 2) the US, regardless of NATO Article 5...had/has no obligation to Europe or Ukraine at all...any American attachment to this entire Ukraine folly is attributed to the actions of The Kenyan.  President Trump was not a fan of getting involved in Ukraine...it among a host of fears is what drove the UniParty to target him so heavily and cheat him out of a 2nd term that likely would have seen a strong effort for a negotiated settlement on Ukraine and not the endless bloody money pit it has become under the illegitimate JoeFraud regime.

As the sign guy says...prove me wrong.

Anyway...hatred going both ways is NOT abating...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-seizes-assets-russian-orthodox-clerics (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kyiv-seizes-assets-russian-orthodox-clerics)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-chief-relations-russia-destroyed-even-if-fighting-ends (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-chief-relations-russia-destroyed-even-if-fighting-ends)

JoeFraud's imbeciles trying to woo Africa from Chi-Com's & Rus...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-africa-leaders-summit-opens-blinken-warning-russia-destabilizing-continent (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-africa-leaders-summit-opens-blinken-warning-russia-destabilizing-continent)

...I care less about Africa than I do for Ukraine...

 ::mooning::

I see all hot-spots getting hotter...

https://discernreport.com/5-global-flashpoints-which-could-absolutely-explode-during-the-early-stages-of-2023/ (https://discernreport.com/5-global-flashpoints-which-could-absolutely-explode-during-the-early-stages-of-2023/)

...including Korea, which Mikey left of his list.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 14, 2022, 12:39:58 PM
^^^^^
Merkle's recent confession matches that of Poreshenko. Before now many thought that she was sincere in arranging the Minsk agreements. Now she also said that it was only to buy time to arm and train the Ukrainian army. So now the Russians have the proof they needed that diplomacy by the west is a ruse. Pres. Xi recently said that there was no trust between China and the US as the US says one thing then does another, referring to the Biden admin inconsistent actions recently.

Also, I had some history thing on in background. They said that Stalin moved people around the USSR in order to prevent ethnic cohesion. He knew that diversity weakens a region to he implemented his policies.
 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 14, 2022, 12:48:25 PM
^^^^^
Merkle's recent confession matches that of Poreshenko. Before now many thought that she was sincere in arranging the Minsk agreements. Now she also said that it was only to buy time to arm and train the Ukrainian army. So now the Russians have the proof they needed that diplomacy by the west Western Europeans is a ruse. Pres. Xi recently said that there was no trust between China and the US as the US says one thing then does another, referring to the Biden admin inconsistent actions recently.

Also, I had some history thing on in background. They said that Stalin moved people around the USSR in order to prevent ethnic cohesion. He knew that diversity weakens a region to he implemented his policies.

FIFY and it negates the US says one thing stuff...US had nothing to do with Minsk...and it wasn't we who looked the other way...it was The Kenyan...the latter whom Putin & Medvedev preferred to lead the US into decline...much like their preference for Clinton & Biden since they appeared to want to not make any deals with Trump...so lets focus the blame where it belongs if we are to persist in the blame game, OK?  Thanks.

As for ethnic corruption...the DemoCommies are Stalinating us...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2022, 08:39:55 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-mulls-more-troops-inside-ukraine-track-arms-us-cable-admits-impossible-task (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-mulls-more-troops-inside-ukraine-track-arms-us-cable-admits-impossible-task)

Troops?

 ::laughonfloor::

How about try every forensic accountant on the planet you can find?!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2022, 11:30:55 AM
^^^^^
Merkle's recent confession matches that of Poreshenko. Before now many thought that she was sincere in arranging the Minsk agreements. Now she also said that it was only to buy time to arm and train the Ukrainian army. So now the Russians have the proof they needed that diplomacy by the west Western Europeans is a ruse. Pres. Xi recently said that there was no trust between China and the US as the US says one thing then does another, referring to the Biden admin inconsistent actions recently.

Also, I had some history thing on in background. They said that Stalin moved people around the USSR in order to prevent ethnic cohesion. He knew that diversity weakens a region to he implemented his policies.

FIFY and it negates the US says one thing stuff...US had nothing to do with Minsk...and it wasn't we who looked the other way...it was The Kenyan...the latter whom Putin & Medvedev preferred to lead the US into decline...much like their preference for Clinton & Biden since they appeared to want to not make any deals with Trump...so lets focus the blame where it belongs if we are to persist in the blame game, OK?  Thanks.

As for ethnic corruption...the DemoCommies are Stalinating us...

IMO the US is largely to blame for the current war. I don't think the war would have happened or would have been over by now but for some US actions.  The US trained 1/3 of the Ukr army to NATO standards over the years and armed them to the teeth. If the USSR did that to Mexico I would consider that a major provocation.   I think that US had guaranteed support for Ukraine should the Russians attack. It was almost certain that the Russians would attack no later than after the Ukr troops attacked in March 2022.

IMO the US wanted a war, which would crush Russia partly due to military and mostly due to the pre-planned sanctions.

If the US wanted peace we would have encouraged Kiev to implement Minsk and tell them they were own their own if they did not. But the US govt does not want peace. They seem to love wars. The US govt almost never mentions the well being of the Ukrainian people. When  Sec Def Austin said the US goal was to weaken Russia I was shocked that he told the truth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2022, 11:33:50 AM

I almost forgot.
Don't worry about US troops in Ukraine. They are just like the US 'advisors' in Vietnam.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2022, 08:38:35 AM
^^^^^
Merkle's recent confession matches that of Poreshenko. Before now many thought that she was sincere in arranging the Minsk agreements. Now she also said that it was only to buy time to arm and train the Ukrainian army. So now the Russians have the proof they needed that diplomacy by the west Western Europeans is a ruse. Pres. Xi recently said that there was no trust between China and the US as the US says one thing then does another, referring to the Biden admin inconsistent actions recently.

Also, I had some history thing on in background. They said that Stalin moved people around the USSR in order to prevent ethnic cohesion. He knew that diversity weakens a region to he implemented his policies.

FIFY and it negates the US says one thing stuff...US had nothing to do with Minsk...and it wasn't we who looked the other way...it was The Kenyan...the latter whom Putin & Medvedev preferred to lead the US into decline...much like their preference for Clinton & Biden since they appeared to want to not make any deals with Trump...so lets focus the blame where it belongs if we are to persist in the blame game, OK?  Thanks.

As for ethnic corruption...the DemoCommies are Stalinating us...

IMO the US is largely to blame for the current war. I don't think the war would have happened or would have been over by now but for some US actions.  The US trained 1/3 of the Ukr army to NATO standards over the years and armed them to the teeth. If the USSR did that to Mexico I would consider that a major provocation.   I think that US had guaranteed support for Ukraine should the Russians attack. It was almost certain that the Russians would attack no later than after the Ukr troops attacked in March 2022.

IMO the US wanted a war, which would crush Russia partly due to military and mostly due to the pre-planned sanctions.

If the US wanted peace we would have encouraged Kiev to implement Minsk and tell them they were own their own if they did not. But the US govt does not want peace. They seem to love wars. The US govt almost never mentions the well being of the Ukrainian people. When  Sec Def Austin said the US goal was to weaken Russia I was shocked that he told the truth.

The DeepState/UniParty/Globalist Cabal wanted it perhaps...attaching the entire US to the psychotic actions of despotic assholes is grossly unfair to the millions of us who ascribe locally, nationally and globally to the basic principle of "don't eff with me, won't eff with you"...a majority in-country IMO who have been rendered inmates in their own nation thanks to corruption and fraud.  IMO it is akin to assuming all Russians are assholes based upon their leadership.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2022, 08:44:35 AM

I almost forgot.
Don't worry about US troops in Ukraine. They are just like the US 'advisors' in Vietnam.

Yes, expendable and exploitable.

In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads)

Nukes in Germany is nothing new...or in any area identified on their pretty map...funny how the (P)Anti-war folks never mention Rus nukes in Belarus or other Federated partners...

This IMO is much less of a concern compared to the chatter about putting Patriot batteries in Ukraine...

More crap to find its way into the wrong hands being chief among my concerns...

But, the Cabal is Hell-bent on...well, Hell.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 16, 2022, 01:25:10 PM

I almost forgot.
Don't worry about US troops in Ukraine. They are just like the US 'advisors' in Vietnam.

Yes, expendable and exploitable.

In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads)

Nukes in Germany is nothing new...or in any area identified on their pretty map...funny how the (P)Anti-war folks never mention Rus nukes in Belarus or other Federated partners...

This IMO is much less of a concern compared to the chatter about putting Patriot batteries in Ukraine...

More crap to find its way into the wrong hands being chief among my concerns...

But, the Cabal is Hell-bent on...well, Hell.

Do patriot missiles work? I have no idea. I recall some people saying they did not work in some Gulf war.

I hear talking heads say that US policy is to weaken countries around the world, especially powerful countries and countries that are not hostile to those countries. They act as though everyone knows this. This includes regime change.

I think this includes arming dissident groups in areas like Chechnya. You can call them freedom fighters or terrorists but they did a lot of damage inside Russia and Moscow and took over a school in Beslan. Russia flattened Chechnya in the first war and was  not as violent in the second war I am told. I know the Saudis backed some Uighurs to undermine China. They did acts that the US would consider acts of terror.  Did the US back them also?

I wonder why Russia and China do not pump weapons into bad guys in Mexico and the US. E.g. RPGs, automatic weapons, maybe hand grenades to drug gangs. Anti aircraft weapons to Mexican drug cartels?  I recall weapons from the Yugoslav wars are all over Europe. I recall there were bombings in Sweden every 2 or 3 days, often hand grenades. It was immigrant gangs, mostly criminal. 

I realize that China does pump fentanyl and precursors into US and Mexico.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 16, 2022, 02:17:04 PM


I think the news blackout on stories like this is almost total in the west. It is covered in some of the world. Often Himars are used for civilian targets which find a little surprising as I would expect the US govt to demand they be used to kill Russian soldiers and destroy military equipment. This has been going for over 8 years.  The western press is more than welcome to send reporters but they do not because they might report.

https://youtu.be/xeAOfTIpOf8
 Ukraine Rockets Hit Church, Hospital, Schools, Homes & More In Center Donetsk
Patrick Lancaster
532K subscribers
16,700 views  Dec 16, 2022  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Ukrainian forces have fired Rockets on the center of Donetsk again hitting Schools, markets, offices, churches sports centers, and civilian apartment buildings. With the reported 40 rockets that hit the center, a reported 10 civilians have been injured, including a 10-year-old girl.  Why does the west ignore the war crimes of Ukraine?  You will not see this on your evening news because the Western mainstream media will not report anything that is negative for Ukraine. In this report, I show you much of the results of this morning's 7am attack by Ukraine forces that hit Schools, Stores, offices, a church and civilian apartment buildings. Please watch all and share.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2022, 09:54:38 AM

I almost forgot.
Don't worry about US troops in Ukraine. They are just like the US 'advisors' in Vietnam.

Yes, expendable and exploitable.

In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-signs-contract-f-35s-can-carry-us-nuclear-warheads)

Nukes in Germany is nothing new...or in any area identified on their pretty map...funny how the (P)Anti-war folks never mention Rus nukes in Belarus or other Federated partners...

This IMO is much less of a concern compared to the chatter about putting Patriot batteries in Ukraine...

More crap to find its way into the wrong hands being chief among my concerns...

But, the Cabal is Hell-bent on...well, Hell.

Do patriot missiles work? I have no idea. I recall some people saying they did not work in some Gulf war.

I hear talking heads say that US policy is to weaken countries around the world, especially powerful countries and countries that are not hostile to those countries. They act as though everyone knows this. This includes regime change.

I think this includes arming dissident groups in areas like Chechnya. You can call them freedom fighters or terrorists but they did a lot of damage inside Russia and Moscow and took over a school in Beslan. Russia flattened Chechnya in the first war and was  not as violent in the second war I am told. I know the Saudis backed some Uighurs to undermine China. They did acts that the US would consider acts of terror.  Did the US back them also?

I wonder why Russia and China do not pump weapons into bad guys in Mexico and the US. E.g. RPGs, automatic weapons, maybe hand grenades to drug gangs. Anti aircraft weapons to Mexican drug cartels?  I recall weapons from the Yugoslav wars are all over Europe. I recall there were bombings in Sweden every 2 or 3 days, often hand grenades. It was immigrant gangs, mostly criminal. 

I realize that China does pump fentanyl and precursors into US and Mexico.

The GW generation was spotty...it's had several upgrades since then...and is capable of protecting against intermediate threats and up, including drones and cruise missiles et al...

The DeepState has the DOJ and corrupt vassals like the ATF to handle that kind of sh*t...familiar with Eric Holder at all?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2022, 10:26:37 AM


I think the news blackout on stories like this is almost total in the west. It is covered in some of the world. Often Himars are used for civilian targets which find a little surprising as I would expect the US govt to demand they be used to kill Russian soldiers and destroy military equipment. This has been going for over 8 years.  The western press is more than welcome to send reporters but they do not because they might report.

https://youtu.be/xeAOfTIpOf8 (https://youtu.be/xeAOfTIpOf8)
 Ukraine Rockets Hit Church, Hospital, Schools, Homes & More In Center Donetsk
Patrick Lancaster
532K subscribers
16,700 views  Dec 16, 2022  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Ukrainian forces have fired Rockets on the center of Donetsk again hitting Schools, markets, offices, churches sports centers, and civilian apartment buildings. With the reported 40 rockets that hit the center, a reported 10 civilians have been injured, including a 10-year-old girl.  Why does the west ignore the war crimes of Ukraine?  You will not see this on your evening news because the Western mainstream media will not report anything that is negative for Ukraine. In this report, I show you much of the results of this morning's 7am attack by Ukraine forces that hit Schools, Stores, offices, a church and civilian apartment buildings. Please watch all and share.

LOL, Western reporters...

It's not that they don't want to report...it's that they don't have to...they do not have to risk life and limb...they can stay in their comfy luxury condos and go from one inbred snotty club party after another and get snockered, snicker at the little people and bang each other like wild pigs...and their "articles" are SSDD recycled BS with the usual anonymous sources and empty DeepState operative generalities all pushing the same narrative...

Each is accusing the other of war crimes...guess what?  Only the winner gets to stage trials...

If all were honest they'd all admit their crimes...but I sure as sh*t am not holding my breath for that unicorn to show up.

Anyway...table that nonsense...the game is on!

https://youtu.be/Et1SkVldiHI (https://youtu.be/Et1SkVldiHI)

And prospects for more seem to still be high.

The lunatic Lukashenko begging Vlad to drop his leash...

...moron ought to be careful what he wishes for...but I'd be surprised if Putin let's this bozo get directly involved.

Interest in the Arctic and its resources can only increase...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-edge-russia-ramps-military-activity-arctic (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-edge-russia-ramps-military-activity-arctic)

...and I reckon it's a matter of when not if that gets sporty.

Japan continues to improve its military...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/japan-unveils-320-billion-military-roadmap-dude-strategic-challenge-posed-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/japan-unveils-320-billion-military-roadmap-dude-strategic-challenge-posed-china)

...and while China and North Korea are their primary foes...Russia is a close #3.

And the Godfather of Realpolitik Globalism begs his batshyt-crazy grand-brats to seek a negotiated resolution than continue on a path to nuclear annihilation...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-its-time-negotiated-peace-ukraine-avoid-world-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-its-time-negotiated-peace-ukraine-avoid-world-war)

...but the grand-brats don't seem to mind talking about crossing so-called red-lines...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-believes-ukraine-can-retake-crimea-may-provoke-nuclear-escalation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-believes-ukraine-can-retake-crimea-may-provoke-nuclear-escalation)

Heck, even Clinton's European sh*tshow is acting up again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-seeks-troop-deployment-kosovo-informs-nato (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-seeks-troop-deployment-kosovo-informs-nato)

...nothing like long ethnic hatreds and sins of the fathers to keep an area volatile.

War, seems there can only be more.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-city-suffers-casualties-14000-without-power-after-ukraine-cross-border-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-city-suffers-casualties-14000-without-power-after-ukraine-cross-border-attack)

War, it tends to not care about borders...

As for Putin's so-called no first/preventative/disarming strike statement on 12/9 -

https://westernrifleshooters.us/2022/12/17/a-conundrum-for-putin-and-the-world/ (https://westernrifleshooters.us/2022/12/17/a-conundrum-for-putin-and-the-world/)

...Vlad is no dummy and he is being too clever by far...he knows this statement has a dual purpose - messaging to influence the, well what we in America call the low-info voter...that will be artificially relieved to know Putin doesn't want to push the big red button first...and messaging to those in the West who like being as clever as he is to spread the word that should nukes fly that they should only blame America (even though the people of America are not running things...the DeepState/DemoCommie/Cucks are) no matter what...and lastly messaging to the West's elitists oligarchs that Putin will launch nukes first if conventional weapons start targeting command and control centers that serve the dual purpose of directing conventional and WMD missions.  This latter part has been unchanged since Day One of the Ukrainian Special Military Operation. 

So, in conclusion, noting new here...just more clever 4-level messaging.

I do get a giggle over his history narrative...noting how the US had them by the balls early on, yet the US did not invade or annihilate them...but now he is lightly musing the reverse given his hypersonic missile advantage...

Oooh, don't let the baba yaga get ya!

 ;D

I do like the Dr.Strangelove pic though...good advice...no character in this theater of the macabre is showing the slightest qualms about going all-in and taking everybody with them...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/122/979/192/original/750bb33a7edc3835.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2022, 11:09:19 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons)

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2022, 02:02:53 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons)

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.
I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA (https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA)
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g (https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g)
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2022, 10:48:41 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons)

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.
I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA (https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA)
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g (https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g)
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

And, thanks to that projectile-vomit inducing sh*t-show shakedown on The Hill in the Swamp...with the DemoScats looking like they surrendered our sovereignty to a foreign power...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/harrispelosizelensky.png)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-announce-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-arrives-dc (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-announce-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-arrives-dc)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/gross-pelosi-proudly-holds-ukrainian-flag-house-chamber-zelensky-gives-kiss-cheek-video/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/gross-pelosi-proudly-holds-ukrainian-flag-house-chamber-zelensky-gives-kiss-cheek-video/)

...and gosh, why just billions?  Why not trillions?  Just throw it on the debt...it is obvious neither DemoCommies or Cucks give a flying fornication about the mounting debt and the terminal economic ruin in guarantees...fire up those presses you demented bastards!

Seriously, this is the sickest most evil government America has ever suffered under!  And they are aiming at sickest move evil government in world history!

JFK, Jr warned us...

(https://i.imgur.com/CEgyxo3l.png)

...if anything he understated how badly, and how many fellow conspirators he has...they sold us all out to scum across the globe!

And, y'all know me, I have no love for Russians, no starry-eyed cult of personality bromance with Czar Vladimir...I stick to my guns about this being a Euro-only problem with their Ukrainian neighbor and Russia, just like the whole Bosnian-Croatia crap was a Euro-only problem...but now the Russians are making sense and they would not be making sense if in point of fact this corrupt DemoCommie government with lapdog Cuck enablers hadn't suborned our sovereignty to Euro-fools and this Ukrainian mess...

"The Hollywood-style trip to Washington by the head of the Kiev regime has confirmed that the administration’s conciliatory statements about the lack of intention to start a confrontation with Russia are just empty words," Russian ambassador to the US, Anatoly Antonov, said in fresh statements.

And earlier Peskov said - As Zelensky arrived in Washington Wednesday, the Kremlin had signaled the trip to the US and meeting with Biden at the White House now means there's no chance of peace with Kiev.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-blasts-zelenskys-hollywood-style-trip-furtherance-us-proxy-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-blasts-zelenskys-hollywood-style-trip-furtherance-us-proxy-war)

The crap quote of FDR that Z-maniac used that DemoCommies and Cucks lustily applauded ("absolute victory") implies a ruined Russia and total regime change (just like post-war Germany, Italy and Japan), right?!  Well, no sh*t Russia is taking any peace talks BS and tossing it in the sh*tcan!  Duh?!  So while DemoCommies and Cucks lecture American's that Ukraine's borders matter more than our own, that Ukraine's corruption and money-laundering operations back into their pockets is essential and worth risking WWIII armageddon over and that crushing the Constitution here is as essential to ensure the UniParty can see which of the horrors they are unleashing destroy us first...all must concede to their Hellish vision and join in the insane celebration of their wickedness?  It's America Last, Evil First.

https://youtu.be/M9OAj-WcK44 (https://youtu.be/M9OAj-WcK44)

(https://media.scored.co/scale/CKtjsqIRC8ita46W.jpeg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FkjGI--XEAAbgT1.jpg) SOTU 2022 (He skipped the Z-Maniac show)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FUecSTpVsAAiH5E.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjjkjgAXgAEtuN0.jpg)
H/T's-CTH

 ::doublebird::  all these treasonous snakes and their anti-American BS and totalitarian crimes against all of humanity!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 22, 2022, 11:17:34 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons)

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.
I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA (https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA)
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g (https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g)
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

His missile info may be dated. He or someone also gave the number of people required to use the patriot system. A large number. Can't remember how many.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2022, 11:53:10 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-reacts-patriot-missiles-ukraine-zelensky-seeks-weapons-weapons-more-weapons)

And Z is coming to Congress to beg for more than what has been blown to the wind...and the prospect of greater NATO boots on the killing ground...

Everything everybody is doing is going one direction - to Hell.
I had scott ritter on the other day. He said that the patriot missiles never worked. That is what I recalled as well. Maybe they fixed them by now.

on edit
https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA (https://youtu.be/3EPE25ahxXA)
Training Ukrainians on the Patriot System...ONLY ONE WAY

https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g (https://youtu.be/XqEwT4KK5_g)
U.S. Patriot missiles will be sent to Ukraine - Will these help? Scott Ritter

Ritter is an old fart...has to be talking about Gen I version...it is much better now, and one indication something is better than something else is how widely it is shared or not shared...the Patriot system is not widely shared...

His missile info may be dated. He or someone also gave the number of people required to use the patriot system. A large number. Can't remember how many.

I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 23, 2022, 11:56:43 AM
Vlad increasing Russian military...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-unveils-plan-increase-size-military-15-million-troops (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-unveils-plan-increase-size-military-15-million-troops)

And mobilizing tanks north of Kyiv...

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1605275564948049922 (https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1605275564948049922)

https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1605483288205750274 (https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1605483288205750274)

And the 15-independently targeted hypersonics are being deployed...

Russians are getting ready to officially deploy their new Sarmat intercontinental ballistic missiles in January…

Putin said on Wednesday during a meeting with military chiefs that he aimed to deploy his terrifying RS-28 Sarmat missile – nicknamed Satan-2 – in January.
https://discernreport.com/feverishly-racing-toward-our-own-destruction/ (https://discernreport.com/feverishly-racing-toward-our-own-destruction/)

The mad rush to sterilizing all life on Earth marches on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 23, 2022, 04:16:27 PM
...
I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...

I do not know either. I just repeated what I heard. Ritter also said that US would not be sending the most modern patriots. Maybe more of US dumping crap on Ukr so the US can replace with good stuff. Also the Patriot training is reportedly very long and only done within US. Several months. Unless US troops or former troops are doing the work.

Also, someone said that Patriots are not the shoot and scoot Himars. They stay in one place a long time.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 26, 2022, 11:19:15 AM
...
I think the world over these systems range from a half to full platoon...not sure I would call that "large"...not like firing off a Stinger, TOW or mini-drone...

Also, conflating other non-missile support personnel or not...and is that consistent for apples-apples comparisons?  I dunno...

I do not know either. I just repeated what I heard. Ritter also said that US would not be sending the most modern patriots. Maybe more of US dumping crap on Ukr so the US can replace with good stuff. Also the Patriot training is reportedly very long and only done within US. Several months. Unless US troops or former troops are doing the work.

Also, someone said that Patriots are not the shoot and scoot Himars. They stay in one place a long time.

Well, it does have a transporter unit, since it is radar guided (and fortunately also able to counteract jamming) it needs to stay locked.  Not as big a wait as you can imagine  given target and intercepting missile velocities...and since these are tpyically delpoyed in battalion echelon fashion of like 6 batteries with 6 launchers each and a control battery...a fully-manned "system" has 90 folks running it and then support maintenance and troops for security can throw in 500-600 more.  So those requiring "training" would be the primary "system" and some maintenance folks...the bulk of the troops can be any grunt.  Also, we do not know if it is a full or partial echelon or not.  I am guessing most will be around protecting Kyiv and such...and that a healthy handful of advisors/contractors will be necessary anyway...

In other news...

Vlad seems to be undercutting his credibility some more...by backtracking previous state pronouncements (the latest just 4 days ago!) of "no peace is possible with Kyiv"...by reopening the door...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-ready-negotiate-end-ukraine-war-west-wants-tear-apart-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-ready-negotiate-end-ukraine-war-west-wants-tear-apart-russia)

Another critical blow to credibility and the image of the 4D geopolitical chess master...the first being unable/unwilling/uninterested in making any sensible agreements with Trump went he had the chance...opting instead for a regime more insane, corrupt and aggressive to Russia...

Now this...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 27, 2022, 11:39:16 AM
I have to believe Dmitry was knocking back the Stoli quite heavily when this was penned, er pecked...whatever...


Dmitry Medvedev -

On the New Year’s Eve, everybody’s into making predictions

Many come up with futuristic hypotheses, as if competing to single out the wildest, and even the most absurd ones.

Here’s our humble contribution.

What can happen in 2023:


1. Oil price will rise to $150 a barrel, and gas price will top $5.000 per 1.000 cubic meters

2.  The UK will rejoin the EU

3.  The EU will collapse after the UK’s return; Euro will drop out of use as the former EU currency

4.  Poland and Hungary will occupy western regions of the formerly existing Ukraine

5.  The Fourth Reich will be created, encompassing the territory of Germany and its satellites, i.e., Poland, the Baltic states, Czechia, Slovakia, the Kiev Republic, and other outcasts

6.  War will break out between France and the Fourth Reich. Europe will be divided, Poland repartitioned in the process

7.  Northern Ireland will separate from the UK and join the Republic of Ireland

8.  Civil war will break out in the US, California. and Texas becoming independent states as a result. Texas and Mexico will form an allied state. Elon Musk’ll win the presidential election in a number of states which, after the new Civil War’s end, will have been given to the GOP

9.  All the largest stock markets and financial activity will leave the US and Europe and move to Asia

10.  The Bretton Woods system of monetary management will collapse, leading to the IMF and World Bank crash. Euro and Dollar will stop circulating as the global reserve currencies. Digital fiat currencies will be actively used instead

 "Season greetings to you all, Anglo-Saxon friends, and their happily oinking piglets!"
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dollars-collapse-musk-us-president-russias-medvedev-makes-absurd-2023-predictions (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/dollars-collapse-musk-us-president-russias-medvedev-makes-absurd-2023-predictions)

 ::hysterical::

I think Musk is right, let's remind him next year what his score is.  I see it can be no better than 3/10...with #'s 1, 9 & 10 leading.  #1 is easy.  #9 & 10 are linked and a bit harder and less likely given all that has to happen before that...so I expect Medvedev to only get one right.  The rest is booze-induced fancy...anybody taking that stuff seriously probably has other issues going on...

Funny how he left global nuclear annihilation off the list...seems a rather significant omission IMO...and a possible point loss as I see that outcome the second most likely event...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 27, 2022, 05:51:18 PM
I have to believe Dmitry was knocking back the Stoli quite heavily when this was penned, er pecked...whatever...
...
Yes. He must be on a bender.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 28, 2022, 10:34:13 AM
The Clinton sh*t-show in Kosovo is starting to heat up again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-puts-troops-full-combat-readiness-main-kosovo-border-crossing-shut (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-puts-troops-full-combat-readiness-main-kosovo-border-crossing-shut)

...I find it fascinating that the Serbs are admitting to coordinating activities of Serbs in Kosovo...do they not realize that this is the exact flip of the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective where it is always the Ukrainians stirring up the trouble?  When Russia/Russia allies hold a Ukrainian (often described as a Nazi of course) of terrorism there not supposed to be any questioning of it...think this Serb arrested in Kosovo will get that wide latitude as well?

I like the interplay on this one...

Naturally, to me the biggest parallels they have with each other is that neither should have American involvement in an all-European affair (but what has been violated before in Kosovo and has been violated in Ukraine will no doubt result in repeat stupidity) and reinforces my belief that in both cases if ethnic people GTFO of each others territories and given up these ridiculous enclaves and reconquista efforts spawned by original invader sins...none of this sh*t would be going on.

As a result...just another front to open up and push the world over the brink and I am having a real hard time giving a fracking crap...

And, on a related side note...it is scary how much Putin's circle has in common with DemoCommies here...

Sausage multi-millionaire Pavel Antov, Russia’s “highest-earning elected politician,” was recently in India celebrating his 66th birthday when he reportedly fell to his death from a hotel window.

(I hate it when that happens.)

In totally unrelated news, Antov had recently criticized Putin’s actions in Ukraine, characterizing air strikes on Kyiv as “terror.”

Oddly, Antov perished shortly thereafter and just two days after a close friend of his unexpectedly died “from a heart attack.”

Antov had highlighted a Russian missile strike, saying:

A girl has been pulled out from under the rubble, the girl's father appears to have died. The mother is trying to be pulled out with a crane - she is trapped under a slab. To tell the truth, it is extremely difficult to call this anything other than terror.

This led Antov to come under intense pressure… after which he withdrew the comment and issued a sniveling apology, claiming his social media post had been “an unfortunate misunderstanding” and a “technical error.”

Alexei Idamkin, the Russian Consul General in Kolkata, told TASS that Antov “fell” out of a hotel window in Rayagada, Odisha state.

This means Antov joins the expansive ranks of Russian doctors who, in recent years, have also inexplicably met their tragic demise falling out of hospital windows.

[ZH: And follows the death of Ravil Maganov, the vice president and chair of the board of directors of Russian oil giant Lukoil, who died in September after falling out of a sixth floor hospital window in Moscow... who was the latest in a string of unexplained or untimely deaths of Russian magnates connected to the energy industry in the last months.]
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-critic-falls-out-window-dies (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-critic-falls-out-window-dies)

Here we have terms like "Arkancide"...I reckon in Russia since they embrace melancholy and fate at breakfast have something appropriately dour like "In Russia you cannot find suicide, in Russia suicide finds you"...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 30, 2022, 10:18:49 AM

Russia is hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine now. Mostly electrical related. The MSM reports this as bad but almost never mentions that that is the first thing the US has done in recent wars.  Russia is not intentionally hitting purely civilian residential areas yet  but that is what is what Ukraine has been doing for 8 years in the Donbass. There are countless videos on this but not on the MSM. The amount of western censorship is incredible.

The west cannot allow MSM reporters in Russian controlled areas on Ukraine because they might report and even talk to people. Why do you think CNN has no reporters in Russian controlled areas? They are welcome. Back when I watched too much video I watched maybe 100 videos from mostly civilians in Russian controlled areas on telegram. I stopped as they became repetitive.  There was a recent French MSM reported reporting from kherson and she said and showed the wrong thing and her video feed was killed instantly. It was funny to some? "Oh no, we lost her feed."

I understand the motivation for japan and Germany in WWII to invade other countries. Lots of resources and slave labor.  Kiev was set to invade the Donbass around Mar 2022. What do they want? To stop the people there from speaking and using Russian in business and schools as they had been for over a hundred years. I think they also wanted to elect their own governors and local officials.  Early polls said that these people wanted some autonomy but did not want to leave Ukraine. Russia earlier before Feb 2022 refused to recognize them as separate countries.

Attacking the Donbass and screwing with Russians does not put food on the table or make you money. It is a huge money loser. I read in wikipedia that Kharkov was founded by Russians way back. BUT that reference has since been re-written.  Catherine the great founded Odessa around 1794. People on that land have been speaking Russian for a long time. Zelensky spoke piss poor Ukrainian when elected. Prior to 2014 being able to use Russian was the status quo in those areas. People in Kiev gain nothing by screwing over Russians. Unlike taking over oil fields or tin mines or coal fields or rubber plantations in WWII.

According to linguist George Shevelov, in the early 1920s the share of secondary schools teaching in the Ukrainian language was lower than the share of the Kharkiv Oblasts ethnic Ukrainian population,[28] even though the Soviet Union had ordered that all schools in the Ukrainian SSR should be Ukrainian speaking (as part of its Ukrainization policy).[29]

I was reminded of this when learning that 21 of 21 Russian republics have at least one official language in addition to Russian which is taught in public schools. Eli from Russia, a video blogger, grew up in Perm speaking Russian and Tartar.
Kiev gains nothing with their anti Russian pogroms. The US gets to use Ukrainian bodies to weaken Russia. The US does not even pretend to benefit Ukrainians.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 30, 2022, 10:42:26 AM
https://youtu.be/JKZzaUPnefI
 
 Visiting the Chechen wedding | Code of honor, traditions and life of the Chechens
Eli from Russia

The Chechen Republic of Russia is very different from the rest of the country. The traditions at the Chechen wedding were shocking!

Comment, if you've also been to an extraordinary wedding. What was unusual about it?

Time codes:
0:00 Let's get to know Chechens better!
1:33 Cultural shock from local driving
2:52 Chechnya feels like another country
4:28 Code of honor
5:19 Dates ONLY in the presence of relatives
5:53 Girls are untouchable
8:38 No eye contact on dates
10:55 Chechen wedding. Everything is different!
14:53 There is NO groom at the wedding
16:18 About wedding traditions
19:25 Chechens are kind and hospitable
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 30, 2022, 11:37:10 AM

Russia is hitting civilian infrastructure in Ukraine now. Mostly electrical related. The MSM reports this as bad but almost never mentions that that is the first thing the US has done in recent wars.  Russia is not intentionally hitting purely civilian residential areas yet  but that is what is what Ukraine has been doing for 8 years in the Donbass. There are countless videos on this but not on the MSM. The amount of western censorship is incredible.

The west cannot allow MSM reporters in Russian controlled areas on Ukraine because they might report and even talk to people. Why do you think CNN has no reporters in Russian controlled areas? They are welcome. Back when I watched too much video I watched maybe 100 videos from mostly civilians in Russian controlled areas on telegram. I stopped as they became repetitive.  There was a recent French MSM reported reporting from kherson and she said and showed the wrong thing and her video feed was killed instantly. It was funny to some? "Oh no, we lost her feed."

I understand the motivation for japan and Germany in WWII to invade other countries. Lots of resources and slave labor.  Kiev was set to invade the Donbass around Mar 2022. What do they want? To stop the people there from speaking and using Russian in business and schools as they had been for over a hundred years. I think they also wanted to elect their own governors and local officials.  Early polls said that these people wanted some autonomy but did not want to leave Ukraine. Russia earlier before Feb 2022 refused to recognize them as separate countries.

Attacking the Donbass and screwing with Russians does not put food on the table or make you money. It is a huge money loser. I read in wikipedia that Kharkov was founded by Russians way back. BUT that reference has since been re-written.  Catherine the great founded Odessa around 1794. People on that land have been speaking Russian for a long time. Zelensky spoke piss poor Ukrainian when elected. Prior to 2014 being able to use Russian was the status quo in those areas. People in Kiev gain nothing by screwing over Russians. Unlike taking over oil fields or tin mines or coal fields or rubber plantations in WWII.

According to linguist George Shevelov, in the early 1920s the share of secondary schools teaching in the Ukrainian language was lower than the share of the Kharkiv Oblasts ethnic Ukrainian population,[28] even though the Soviet Union had ordered that all schools in the Ukrainian SSR should be Ukrainian speaking (as part of its Ukrainization policy).[29]

I was reminded of this when learning that 21 of 21 Russian republics have at least one official language in addition to Russian which is taught in public schools. Eli from Russia, a video blogger, grew up in Perm speaking Russian and Tartar.
Kiev gains nothing with their anti Russian pogroms. The US gets to use Ukrainian bodies to weaken Russia. The US does not even pretend to benefit Ukrainians.

 ::hysterical::

Not founded, invaded...but then again no displaced peoples have ever been given much space in the history books of conquerors or their vassals!  Might always makes right.

 ::laughonfloor::

And pogroms are swell, if you are on the delivering end...not so much fun on the receiving end...and I find it hilarious when the wheel turns and people act surprised...

It is myopic idiocy that ensures it will always keep turning...and I see nothing arresting the motion.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2023, 09:23:12 AM
HIMARS make a dent in Donbas...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/huge-death-toll-after-us-supplied-himars-leveled-russian-barracks-donetsk-possibly (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/huge-death-toll-after-us-supplied-himars-leveled-russian-barracks-donetsk-possibly)

Huge?  Not as huge as the downed MH17 airliner by the Pro-Russian Chernukhin separatists in Luhansk Oblast confirmed by intercepted communications.

But, whatever...it's sure to arouse reprisals.  Such is war.

In a somewhat related note - https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.msg200370.html#msg200370 (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17665.msg200370.html#msg200370)

Potential kinetic spots keep increasing...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 03, 2023, 12:15:00 PM

I just remembered something. Former ambassdor Burns went to a meeting maybe with Lavrov. It was supposed to be secret but someone in DC trying to undermine any such meeting leaked the meeting along with some details.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2023, 12:40:29 PM
I think that was like a long time ago...want to say Spring...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 03, 2023, 03:59:14 PM

There was some meeting in Istanbul in spring. This was recent. Maybe a couple weeks ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2023, 04:40:42 PM
Oh, probably the same rehash of Spring then...I know there was a "leak" of behind the scenes discussions back then...maybe a different person...the imbecile...Blinken and miss it, perhaps...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2023, 08:46:08 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/101st-airborne-still-deployed-romania-simulating-war-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/101st-airborne-still-deployed-romania-simulating-war-russia)

Newsflash - Assets (and this is not the only one along the new front) are not usually deployed without an intent to use them in a defensive or offensive should the need arise...

If anybody on either side of this wanted to deescalate...well, nobody is doing that or seeing that so never mind...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2023, 11:55:13 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-patriarch-kirill-calls-both-sides-implement-truce-orthodox-christmas (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-patriarch-kirill-calls-both-sides-implement-truce-orthodox-christmas)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-russian-new-mobilization-process-major-offensive-imminent (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-says-russian-new-mobilization-process-major-offensive-imminent)

More war and nothing but.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 09, 2023, 11:24:51 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-says-military-confrontation-nato-already-happening-uk-mulls-sending-tanks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlin-says-military-confrontation-nato-already-happening-uk-mulls-sending-tanks)

Hmmm, the self-appointed Chief of all Slavs seems a bit put out...ain't that a shame...

 ::smallestviolin::

Should have cut the best deal you could with Trump before you gambledwith another DemoXCommie DeepState puppet and got donkey-punched...

Gog & Magog...armageddon...everybody wants it...well all the lunatic shot-callers the world over do anyway...serfs get sucked into the sh*t through no fault of their own...

Fate

ETA - Damn, no wonder the lunatic Patrushev has been quoted a lot lately...

https://americafirstreport.com/vladimir-putin-is-reportedly-near-death-as-he-prepares-the-largest-russian-military-offensive-since-world-war-ii/ (https://americafirstreport.com/vladimir-putin-is-reportedly-near-death-as-he-prepares-the-largest-russian-military-offensive-since-world-war-ii/)

Czar Vlad kicks the bucket...one of the hotheads is likely to rise...I would expect quick action on a successor and it is unlike a sheep or dove gets the nod...


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2023, 08:40:04 AM
The Ukrainian diaspora to date...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26960.jpeg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-people-ukraine-are-fleeing (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-people-ukraine-are-fleeing)

Nothing like war to spur a migration that could have happened peacefully had everybody been in their natural homeland from the get-go...

Kinda hard to argue now anybody left in-theater is not there by choice, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2023, 11:52:11 AM
The Ukrainian diaspora to date...

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/26960.jpeg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-people-ukraine-are-fleeing (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/where-people-ukraine-are-fleeing)

Nothing like war to spur a migration that could have happened peacefully had everybody been in their natural homeland from the get-go...

Kinda hard to argue now anybody left in-theater is not there by choice, eh?

I heard on internet that the Ukrainian emigrants after around 2014 for sure were different than before. They got real pumped up on hyper nationalism. Not like before. Some of this comes from EU opinions. Much comes from Ukrainians themselves.

I am not an expert historian on all this. I know that Stalin shipped people from their natural homelands to wherever he wanted. I know that he drew borders through parts of natural homelands.  There were methods to his madness but I cannot recall what the reasons were.  The best thing now is to encourage people to get along.

I read about some country that is part of the EU. They have some minority maybe  Hungarian. The country refused to teach the minority in their language. The EU said this was a human right and forced it. I think that Stalin drew the Ukrainian boundary through some mostly Russian areas. I think that Kharkov was traditionally Russian but Stalin drew the Ukrainian border east of it. Odessa was Russian but now Ukrainians view it as part of their sacred Ukrainian land and outlawed Russian in education, govt and commerce. They removed statutes of Catherine the great who founded the city.

I had some Italian guy David visiting some Sami speaking part of Russia but could not find them as Stalin had transported lots of Russians, Ukrainians, and Tartars who were dominant in that part he was in thanks to the gulags. The Sami speakers were mostly further south.

Many in the US know nothing of history and expect the rest of the world to be like the US. 21 of 22 Russian republics have at least one additional official language to Russian taught in public schools.

Bald and Bankrupt visited a country called Sokh. Sokh is an enclave inside a second country that is part of an external third country but speaks a different language from either two countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So%CA%BBx_District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So%CA%BBx_District)
So?x District (also spelled as Sokh, Uzbek) ...  is a district of Uzbekistan's Fergana Region. It consists of two exclaves of Uzbekistan, surrounded by Kyrgyzstan. Despite being part of Uzbekistan, its population is almost entirely ethnic Tajiks. ...

Fun video for me.
https://youtu.be/34XymEDY9Wc?t=1500 (https://youtu.be/34XymEDY9Wc?t=1500)
Entering A Mysterious Exclave You've Never Heard Of ( In A Soviet Bi-plane )
 2,855,161 views  May 17, 2022
Earlier this year myself and Alina tried entering an Uzbek exclave surrounded entirely by Kyrgyzstan. If you saw the video you will know that we were not allowed in. But we don't give up that easy...And so when we discovered that there was a new flight route started up from Uzbekistan to the unknown exclave of Sokh we decided we would have to investigate and try to get in somehow to see what lay there beyond the mountains. Oh and it just happened to mean flying on an old Soviet bi-plane. How could anyone resists such an adventure?!


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2023, 12:00:51 PM

Some Ukrainians do not want Hungarians on their sacred land.

https://t.me/donbassinsider/28948
?? A topic I was just speaking about this same week, the terror campaign (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/18506) against ethnic Hungarians in Transcarpathia:

??Ukrainian militants of the "Right Sector" threaten to massacre all Hungarians in Transcarpathia

??On New Year's Eve, several dozen Right Sector militants went to Transcarpathia to the city of Beregovo on the border with Hungary.

??There they wrote down the New Year's "congratulations" to all the Magyars. In their video message, these geeks do not hesitate to say that they know all the Hungarians, all their children, and they will come for them.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/18506
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on January 10, 2023, 12:02:14 PM
Quote
There were methods to his madness but I cannot recall what the reasons were.

He did it to split people off from each other, their brethren - language/customs/etc.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2023, 12:19:46 PM
Thanks.
I also recall some book, Balkan Ghosts by Robert D. Kaplan (there is a different Robert Kaplan). He said that every hectare in the Balkans had 3 nations that once ruled that area during some period.  They all thought that things were as they should be in that period.

I only recently learned about the Russian republics teaching other official languages. I learned it from the video by a woman doing a doc on the typical day in a Russian school.

Some languages are dying off in favor of Russian.  Guys in the Sami language video said that Sami was taught if the parents wanted it so it was not mandatory.  That was the law in Ukrainians for Russians in Ukraine up until around 2015 as I recall, Then Ukrainians shut that down and even fined speaking Russian in commerce and shut down Russian language TV stations.

Eli from Russia is from Perm and her mother is upset that she lets her Tartar language skills lapse. She is non political. She was taught Russian and Tartar in public schools. Perm has the only remaining gulag, for historical purposes.

https://youtu.be/_F8TZvlzrNo
 Why do I speak 5 languages? | Russia's ethnic minority language, how I learned English & more
Eli from Russia
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2023, 03:13:17 PM
The conquering Mongols and Alexander the Great also did not give a rats ass about languages and culture if enough spoke the ruling language and were OBEDIENT to their masters rule...

Guess that makes conquest and domination okie dokie...and the conquered should just drop to their knees and kiss their masters feet...

Good to know...

Best to be a conqueror than the conquered...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2023, 08:37:17 AM
Cracks in obedience...not all is well among cultures...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,17784.new.html#new

...aka - it sucks when your master favors others, even outsiders...over you.

 ::smallestviolin::

Better get to boot lickin' before they decide it is easier to squish you outright!   ::oldman::

"indestructible brotherhood"

Does that come with a cool skull & knife club ring and a secret handshake?

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 11, 2023, 10:11:40 AM
The conquering Mongols and Alexander the Great also did not give a rats ass about languages and culture if enough spoke the ruling language and were OBEDIENT to their masters rule...

Guess that makes conquest and domination okie dokie...and the conquered should just drop to their knees and kiss their masters feet...

Good to know...

Best to be a conqueror than the conquered...

The reason lots of countries allow additional  official languages is not because they are nice. Language, culture, religion are important to many people. Why mess with them? What is the upside? Russia could go into the schools, destroy the non Russian  books, force the teachers to only teach in Russian, fine people for speaking non Russian in commerce and govt. Why would they do that?

That is what Ukraine govt has done inside Ukraine out of some hyper nationalism. What is the upside? Now they are seizing Ukrainian Orthodox churches, firing priests, etc. I saw some video on a Chechnya wedding. That republic is the most religious in the Russian federation and the religion is Islam. I suppose Russia could fire all the Islamic holy men and seize the mosques but what is the upside?

Strange culture. The groom does not attend the wedding.
https://youtu.be/JKZzaUPnefI
 Visiting the Chechen wedding | Code of honor, traditions and life of the Chechens
Eli from Russia

https://youtu.be/-OVuFTp2DZQ
 Chechnya Isn't What You'd Expect!
bald and bankr
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2023, 10:56:16 AM
Upside - Your private band of Nazi's looting for Mother Russia!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-touts-major-victory-over-salt-mining-town-donetsk (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-wagner-touts-major-victory-over-salt-mining-town-donetsk)

Conquest and domination...keep your language and schools and religion...just keep that knee bent.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2023, 07:43:07 AM
The conquering Mongols and Alexander the Great also did not give a rats ass about languages and culture if enough spoke the ruling language and were OBEDIENT to their masters rule...

Guess that makes conquest and domination okie dokie...and the conquered should just drop to their knees and kiss their masters feet...

Good to know...

Best to be a conqueror than the conquered...

Why did they do that?
Because it made sense.
Why screw things up? Kiev wanted to screw things up.
Kiev had lots to lose and little to gain with their hypernationality.
NN Taleb wrote about the history of Allepo. It was a very rich city as it lay on trade routes and the conquering Romans and Ottomans left them alone and extracted tribute.  They were not 'nice' but they were not idiots.

Then came the Baath party who micro managed and the wealthy merchants fled and the city went down the tubes.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2023, 08:30:33 AM
The conquering Mongols and Alexander the Great also did not give a rats ass about languages and culture if enough spoke the ruling language and were OBEDIENT to their masters rule...

Guess that makes conquest and domination okie dokie...and the conquered should just drop to their knees and kiss their masters feet...

Good to know...

Best to be a conqueror than the conquered...

Why did they do that?
Because it made sense.
Why screw things up? Kiev wanted to screw things up.
Kiev had lots to lose and little to gain with their hypernationality.
NN Taleb wrote about the history of Allepo. It was a very rich city as it lay on trade routes and the conquering Romans and Ottomans left them alone and extracted tribute.  They were not 'nice' but they were not idiots.

Then came the Baath party who micro managed and the wealthy merchants fled and the city went down the tubes.

America isn't hypernational or anything close to it either...working wonders, isn't it?

/

Interesting that accepting conquered status isn't messed up...

#NotBuiltForDomination
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2023, 11:47:28 AM
I agree with this characterization...sure, the Rus crapped the bed when they "banned" personal cell phone use and failed to provide secure means of homesick conscripts not thrilled about being put into the Ukraine theater to chat with their loved ones and it led to the devastating attack on forces and ammunition at the Makiivka, Donetsk Oblast base...but the insertion of Gerasimov to me indicates a renewed commitment to the war...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/ukraine-something-happening/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/ukraine-something-happening/)

...and the Black Sea fleet sorties and Belarus buildup point to a larger push coming...and logically they cannot solidify territory in the Eastern side unless they apply pressure elsewhere...

I think as things begin to thaw...the theater gets a lot hotter.

Also, if those poor bastards in Soledar are going to be overrun...if they had any balls they'd rig the entire mine complex to blow instead of meekly skittering away and give the Rus a valuable prize...

Guess we'll find out soon enough...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2023, 05:28:49 PM

I do not follow the short term results for this war. Time will tell.
The Russians in the east do not want to accept domination either.
Kiev could have left well enough alone.
What do they gain besides screwing with Russians inside Ukraine?

The status quo prior to 2014 wasn't that bad as I understand things.
IMO different regions of Ukraine are different. Some have had majority Russians for hundreds of years then Stalin drew the boundaries to mess with people. Maybe the Russians were shipped to a city in box cars by Stalin in the 1930s. Some cities were mostly Russian then people from more western Ukraine moved east for economic opportunity.

Kiev could have left things as they were and taxed the east as they had. That is what the Romans and Ottomans did when they conquered.

IMO at least 100K Kiev troops are dead for no reason other than to be used by the US and NATO.

When I paid too much attention, on Mariupol, I listened to the locals on Telegram. I learned that there were two invasions. First troops from other parts of Ukraine invaded and dug in. Then they fought the invading Russians. Most of the people defending Mariupol were not from Mariupol. If you ask the locals they were liberated not conquered. The opposite opinion near Kiev. Time for a divorce.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 12, 2023, 05:43:32 PM
IMO this guy is often wrong but this is interesting. I never spent any time looking into Chechnya. Short history according to this guy. Weird place. I heard that the second Chechen war was very gentle compared to the first but did not understand that until now.

https://youtu.be/E-HexVRwEP4
Chechnya, a Real Challenge for Putin?

Eli from Russia reported on a wedding in Chechnya. Weird customs. She interviewed some local to see if the strange rumors were true. They were all true. These republics have much more autonomy than I realized.

https://youtu.be/JKZzaUPnefI
Visiting the Chechen wedding | Code of honor, traditions and life of the Chechens

https://youtu.be/UvbXg4vfG80
The real life in Grozny | Is Chechnya republic of Russia safe for traveling?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 13, 2023, 09:50:55 AM
Russian forces, who have reportedly suffered considerable losses on the front line, have now deployed additional units of the world’s most powerful mortar, which is capable of using a nuclear warhead on the battlefield.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-01-12_14-25-33.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-sends-its-biggest-gun-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-sends-its-biggest-gun-ukraine)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/122/979/192/original/750bb33a7edc3835.jpg)

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/XUFPGrX5Zis6Y/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 16, 2023, 11:44:53 AM
(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/125/102/631/original/4ad5c2d90c7a16c7.jpg)
H/T-WRSA@GAB

Answers the question "how many Russian army groups are needed for a sector of the front".

Also, was it last week or the previous week that Vlad called up another 500k draftees for the motherland's war effort?  More grist for the death-mill.

In other related news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-defense-minister-resigns-criticism-over-ukraine-mounts (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/german-defense-minister-resigns-criticism-over-ukraine-mounts)

 ::smallestviolin::

Won't be the last...won't change a damn thing anyway...wave in the next moron...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2023, 08:54:49 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/belarus-russia-launch-2-weeks-joint-aerial-drills-making-western-allies-nervous (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/belarus-russia-launch-2-weeks-joint-aerial-drills-making-western-allies-nervous)

Meh.

The rabid cur Lukashenko has always agitated to join the carnage...not sure of the strength of the hand holding his leash, whoever that may be...

And the Rus have a history of using exercises to launch incursions and lying about it...

Not that that matters, we have drones, civilian spy craft and military spy craft patrolling from the Bosporus to along the Belarus and Russian border to the Gulf of Finland and to the edge of the Barents Sea...a Rus or his vassals cannot scratch their ass without it being documented...and those are the known knowns...the known unknowns are the satellites...the unknown unknowns are the only mystery...

But, given everybody's assets in-theater from said Barents Sea to Bosporus...and everybody's resistance to a peaceful resolution beyond obvious...a greater clash is inevitable...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2023, 12:47:01 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-forced-tap-unreported-ammo-stockpile-israel-support-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/pentagon-forced-tap-unreported-ammo-stockpile-israel-support-ukraine)

That there are caches is not new...there are lots...

What is stupid is drawing them down for the Gog/Magog sh*tshow...

And, it appears they/them got to Kissinger...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-flips-says-ukraine-should-join-nato-davos-speech (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kissinger-flips-says-ukraine-should-join-nato-davos-speech)

...but then again it is a short walk for him back into that fold...

 ::mooning::

President Vladimir Putin said that victory in Ukraine is "unavoidable".
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-victory-ukraine-unavoidable-invasion-was-effort-stop-war-donbas (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-victory-ukraine-unavoidable-invasion-was-effort-stop-war-donbas)

Yup, the intractable positions of everyone in this sh*t-show is reason #1 why the war will continue and expand...

Enjoy the carnage...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2023, 08:51:05 AM
Heh, Serbian government telling Brig Bro Slav to knock off the recruiting of their youth into the private Nazi ranks of Czar Vlad to throw into the Ukraine meat-grinder...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-demands-russia-halt-local-recruitment-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/serbia-demands-russia-halt-local-recruitment-ukraine-war)

It's a crazy world...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 19, 2023, 07:05:04 PM

Also I came across this really new. A tour of a biolab taken over by Russians. Pfizer and AstraZeneca was testing out lots of drugs on Ukrainians, often poor people. The guide said they tested on Ukrainians before animals. This goes back to 2015. So the US backs a violent coup, brings in greedy soul less big pharma who uses the locals as lab animals. When the Kiev soldiers left they took all the hard drives and shelled the places apparently to destroy evidence.

And here I thought big pharma were the good guys. /s Can you imagine the fraud and corruption behind those labs? How much money ended up in DC?

https://youtu.be/XpNNDj4T0q4

Inside Pfizer and AstraZeneca's UKRAINIAN BIOLAB!
Employees reportedly FORCED to take UNTESTED drugs or BE FIRED. @JohnMarkDougan-BadVolf , Masha and I got a guided tour of the ruins of a Ukrainian BioLab on the front lines near in Rubizhne.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 19, 2023, 07:17:19 PM
Some military analysts question the wisdom of sending these newer batches of tanks to Ukraine.
It makes the western leaders feel good but it takes a long time to get qualified to use them and fix them.
Unless western contractors use them and repair them it will take a long time. Even some western generals are saying it is a crazy idea.

The idea is to standardize on weapons but the west is doing the opposite and providing Ukr with lots of incompatible weapons that require new training. US generals say sending the Abrams to Ukr is insane.

One guy Brian Berletic is US ex pat, ex Marine. He keeps going to US DOD published sources for info on how long it takes to train the crews and longer to get good at it.

Russia said they wanted to 'demilitarize' Ukraine. It looks like they are demilitarizing the entire west by taking all their equipment.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 20, 2023, 08:41:43 AM
So you're saying insanity is being ignored?

Obviously...and it is ignored on all sides...else rational people would have resolved this...but everybody has a Jones to emerge preeminent...so things will get more insane, more violent and more senseless...

Here's some more insanity...Germans beating up other Germans for not being militantly gender-balanced -

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-wing-german-politicians-furious-appointment-new-defense-minister-because-hes-man (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-wing-german-politicians-furious-appointment-new-defense-minister-because-hes-man)

Hilarious!  Lambrecht was an unmitigated failure...and these sundy SPD whackjobs expect another pair of tits no matter what...   ::hysterical::

Whatever...doesn't matter...German males lost their hoden long ago...

PS-I doubt a single Abrams will go to Ukraine...not when they would be needed elsewhere along the Eastern Front should greater festivities ensure...and they'll probably only get a handful of Leopard's and Challenger's for the same reasons.

The burning question is - will Russia come down from the North and with or without the forces of the mouth-breathing lunatic Lukashenko?

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

ETA - Aaaand, the Leopards are gone!  LOL

Going into the meeting it was widely reported days ago that Berlin has told European allies that it will authorize Leopard tanks only if Washington first leads the way with supply its own Abrams tanks. But the Biden administration has shut the door on these heavy, advanced tanks for the time being.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-says-nein-tanks-allies-big-ramstein-meeting-face-zelenskys-pleading (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-says-nein-tanks-allies-big-ramstein-meeting-face-zelenskys-pleading)

https://youtu.be/f5dMqHqC4pM (https://youtu.be/f5dMqHqC4pM)

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 20, 2023, 05:18:59 PM


I had Alex Mercouris on. He talked about a German ex-General Kujat who is pissed about Germany thinking of sending tanks to Ukraine partly because it guts Germany and will do no good. I think the politicians just want to "do something" but most non political military think it is stupid. Also he earlier talked about another German General Vad?

An older article. I can't find the recent article or interview about tanks.
https://newsingermany.com/war-in-ukraine-ex-general-kujat-warns-nato-against-supplying-offensive-weapons/ (https://newsingermany.com/war-in-ukraine-ex-general-kujat-warns-nato-against-supplying-offensive-weapons/)

Maybe this is the recent interview.
https://aufklaerung-heute.de/2022/11/interview-mit-general-kujat/ (https://aufklaerung-heute.de/2022/11/interview-mit-general-kujat/)

No here it is ???
https://detv.us/2023/01/20/boris-johnson-prevented-russia-ukraine-peace-in-april-rt-en/ (https://detv.us/2023/01/20/boris-johnson-prevented-russia-ukraine-peace-in-april-rt-en/)

Boris Johnson prevented Russia-Ukraine peace in April — RT EN
20.01.2023 9 0

Jan 20, 2023 10:06 p.m

Here Alex talks about the Vad interview at 10:00 min.
https://youtu.be/2QRBITdPR7w?t=601 (https://youtu.be/2QRBITdPR7w?t=601)

general a D. Harald Kujat spoke in a Swiss magazine on questions of war guilt and Ukraine’s prospects of winning the war. The announcement from “reliable sources” that Boris Johnson intervened in April 2022 to prevent the Ukrainian-Russian peace treaty that had already been negotiated is sensational.

The general a. D. and former Inspector General of the German Armed Forces Harald Kujat said in a statement published on Wednesday interview took a position on the current situation in the Ukraine war and the conflict between Russia and the political West with the Swiss magazine Zeitgeschehen im Fokus.

The longer the military phase of the conflict lasts, the more difficult it will be to reach a negotiated peace. The territorial changes that Russia made at the end of September are “difficult to reverse,” the general said. They are also a consequence of the fact that Ukraine had previously broken off the promising negotiations mediated by Turkey. At that time, Ukraine would have had to give far less in return:
...

Good comments on the above ex German general.
https://youtu.be/WIjBt4-Bqn4?t=1902 (https://youtu.be/WIjBt4-Bqn4?t=1902)

Another German General older?
http://johnhelmer.org/german-general-tells-us-generals-to-lose-the-ukraine-war-as-soon-as-possible-to-prevent-losing-the-empire-in-europe/ (http://johnhelmer.org/german-general-tells-us-generals-to-lose-the-ukraine-war-as-soon-as-possible-to-prevent-losing-the-empire-in-europe/)
GERMAN GENERAL TELLS US GENERALS TO LOSE THE UKRAINE WAR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE TO PREVENT LOSING THE EMPIRE IN EUROPE

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By John Helmer, Moscow
  @bears_with

The German generals are trying it again. That’s the Wolf’s Lair plot of July 20, 1944.

To save themselves,  they are begging their counterparts in Washington, DC, to find a way to lose the war in the Ukraine as quickly as possible without losing the US empire in Germany. This means overruling or replacing, not only Vladimir  Zelensky’s  regime in Kiev but also the Green Party ministers in power in Berlin, Robert Habeck and Annalena Baerbock, and maybe Chancellor Olaf Scholz to boot.

The Wehrmacht plotter this time is a retired brigadier general named Erich Vad (lead image, right).  As German military officers go, he’s unusual. He was trained by a German-born Israeli infantry general turned academic.  Vad then reached general’s rank, according to a senior German politician, but “never led a battalion, never led a brigade, and was never deployed in active operations”; he is a “desk general”.

Vad’s self-advertisements  mention no active service or combat command. Instead, he has filled advisor posts at the Bundestag (2000-2006) and the Chancellery (2006-2013) when Angela Merkel was chancellor.  Since 2014 he has been selling his advice either through Vad’s own consulting firm in Munich  or a Swiss intermediary company in Zurich.  
...
https://www.emma.de/artikel/erich-vad-was-sind-die-kriegsziele-340045 (https://www.emma.de/artikel/erich-vad-was-sind-die-kriegsziele-340045)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 20, 2023, 05:22:35 PM
So you're saying insanity is being ignored?

Obviously...and it is ignored on all sides...else rational people would have resolved this...but everybody has a Jones to emerge preeminent...so things will get more insane, more violent and more senseless...

Here's some more insanity...Germans beating up other Germans for not being militantly gender-balanced -

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-wing-german-politicians-furious-appointment-new-defense-minister-because-hes-man (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-wing-german-politicians-furious-appointment-new-defense-minister-because-hes-man)

Hilarious!  Lambrecht was an unmitigated failure...and these sundy SPD whackjobs expect another pair of tits no matter what...   ::hysterical::

Whatever...doesn't matter...German males lost their hoden long ago...

PS-I doubt a single Abrams will go to Ukraine...not when they would be needed elsewhere along the Eastern Front should greater festivities ensure...and they'll probably only get a handful of Leopard's and Challenger's for the same reasons.

The burning question is - will Russia come down from the North and with or without the forces of the mouth-breathing lunatic Lukashenko?

https://liveuamap.com (https://liveuamap.com)

ETA - Aaaand, the Leopards are gone!  LOL

Going into the meeting it was widely reported days ago that Berlin has told European allies that it will authorize Leopard tanks only if Washington first leads the way with supply its own Abrams tanks. But the Biden administration has shut the door on these heavy, advanced tanks for the time being.

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-says-nein-tanks-allies-big-ramstein-meeting-face-zelenskys-pleading (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/germany-says-nein-tanks-allies-big-ramstein-meeting-face-zelenskys-pleading)

https://youtu.be/f5dMqHqC4pM (https://youtu.be/f5dMqHqC4pM)

 ::hysterical::

The idea that big pharma is experimenting on poor Ukr folk is easier to believe than the scarier bio-weapon stories but they likely do both. People in the Mpls medical device field say they test on Europeans because chimps cost too much.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 20, 2023, 05:29:24 PM

More on  this, so I do not lose the link.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/01/ukraine-pressing-for-tanks.html#more (https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/01/ukraine-pressing-for-tanks.html#more)

There is also the false impression, pushed by some weapon dealers (in German), that there are 'hundreds' of Leopards available. This is nonsense. Not every Leopard is like the other.
...
There is also the important issue of training. This does not only include the technology of the tank but its tactical use in the field. The Turkish experience in Syria showed that bad tank tactics inevitably lead to bad outcomes, no matter how good the tanks are.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5332247/The-4million-German-tank-embarrassed-Syria.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5332247/The-4million-German-tank-embarrassed-Syria.html)
The £4million German tank dubbed 'one of the best in the world' is shown up in Syria: Leopard 2 bought by Turkey to fight British-backed Kurds has numerous faults exposed in lethal fashion

    The German government has come under domestic pressure after images showed Turkey deploying the tanks
    From the late 1970s to today, more than 3,000 of the tanks have been built at a cost of around £4million a unit
    Turkey bought 354 of them, and has started using them to fight Kurdish fighters in cities in northern Syria
    But they are proving to be ineffective, with the tanks being picked off by allied forces as they are sent in alone
...
ISIS claimed it destroyed 10 of the Leopard 2 tanks, dubbed invincible in some quarters, and while the terror group's estimates are regularly exaggerated, analysis of fighting around al-Bab in Syria puts the figure at 'at least eight'. Pictured: The remnants of one of the German-built tanks as shown in a January 20, 2017 Isis video recorded near al-Bab. It was reportedly blown up by a mine. In the background is a destroyed Kobra armoured personnel carrier
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2023, 08:28:48 AM
Vad was a favorite lapdog of Merkel...both about as trustworthy as FJB & Lloyd Austin...

And any talk of exiting Ukraine under any scheme is total BS...the globalist totalitarians cannot afford a humiliating abandonment...their entire reason for existing would collapse...it is about as likely as seeing them kill themselves...it is not in their DNA...it is about as likely as Russia backing down when they have all but depleted the West of its ability to arm itself and their economies are on the edge...

No, there will be more war, and lots of it.

Otherwise, what is Moscow afraid of from above?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-holds-new-anti-air-defense-drills-moscow-region (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-holds-new-anti-air-defense-drills-moscow-region)

Are they just paranoid?

Or do they know as soon as they march South from Belarus with or without Lukashenko's lunatics the gloves come off?   ::whatgives::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 23, 2023, 10:52:19 AM

Someone said that when Kiev loses the MSM will just stop talking about it. Like Afghanistan etc.
Also some excuses for the Turkish Leopard tanks getting clobbered by ISIS.
Bad tactics, no infantry support, they forgot any reactive armor, they were not designed for urban conflicts.
The could all be valid reasons.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2023, 12:08:16 PM
Don't recall cities stopping a single tank attack in any of the major wars utilizing them...it was other tanks, anti-tank weapons and airpower that stopped them...

 :o

Don't have to worry about losing Kyiv...the only losing that will happen will impact everyone...

And the Rus once again (and I don't how many times this is now...20, 30?) that if they are denied a win in Ukraine...all will burn.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-stands-brink-ww3-due-west-escalating-medvedev (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-stands-brink-ww3-due-west-escalating-medvedev)

Nobody is deviating from the script...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 23, 2023, 04:15:01 PM
I think tanks in cities are a bad mix. Tanks need infantry to protect their flanks and enemy infantry with anti tank weapons can get real close and even on top of  tanks from buildings. ISIS did kill maybe 8-10 Turkish operated Leopard tanks. So the Germans had to explain that away.

Infantry protect from close up enemy to protect the tanks and tanks kill the far away enemy. Pike men protected archers from close up charging enemy cavalry while the archers killed far away enemy. The bayonet turned infantry into pike men to scare off horses.

I once read my only book on tactics, The Art of War in the Western World, from hoplites to the IDF. The author explains war using only 4 groups: light infantry, heavy infantry, light cavalry, and heavy cavalry. Each major battle might be 1-2 pages and the book in maybe 700 pages long.


 I just watched a doc on the battle of Carrhae with the Romans in Syria. Mostly horse archers riiding around the Romans. The Romans figured they would run out of arrows, then came the trains of camels carrying arrows.

It was a horrible Roman defeat.
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The Battle of Carrhae (Latin pronunciation: [?karrae?]) was fought in 53 BC between the Roman Republic and the Parthian Empire near the ancient town of Carrhae (present-day Harran, Turkey). An invading force of seven legions of Roman heavy infantry under Marcus Licinius Crassus was lured into the desert and decisively defeated by a mixed cavalry army of heavy cataphracts and light horse archers led by the Parthian general Surena. On such flat terrain, the Legion proved to have no viable tactics against the highly-mobile Parthian horsemen, and the slow and vulnerable Roman formations were surrounded, exhausted by constant attacks, and eventually crushed. Crassus was killed along with the majority of his army.

Not to be confused with Cannae
Quote
The Battle of Cannae (/?kæni, -e?, -a?/) was a key engagement of the Second Punic War between the Roman Republic and Carthage, fought on 2 August 216 BC near the ancient village of Cannae in Apulia, southeast Italy. The Carthaginians and their allies, led by Hannibal, surrounded and practically annihilated a larger Roman and Italian army under the consuls Lucius Aemilius Paullus and Gaius Terentius Varro. It is regarded as one of the greatest tactical feats in military history and one of the worst defeats in Roman history.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2023, 10:18:02 AM
The Roman's were better under Caesar...his raid into Germany, the brilliant Alesia battle, stomped Pompey at Pharsalus, defeated Ptolemy 13th and installed his sweetie Cleopatra as Queen and after that won some battles before Brutus et al stabbed the living sh*t out if him on the Ides of March.

OK, that was fun, back to modern warfare...

Communist China in cahoots with Russians?! 

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-confronts-china-over-state-owned-companies-supplying-russian-military (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-confronts-china-over-state-owned-companies-supplying-russian-military)

Must have come as a real shock to these mush-headed losers...

Anyway, just another hot point, BFD...

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-bristles-its-south-african-ally-host-joint-naval-drills-russia-china (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-bristles-its-south-african-ally-host-joint-naval-drills-russia-china)

...let the Gorshkov go play with South African 7 Chinese commies...getting them out of the Med a while might be a good thing...

As for this...

I always love it when the Rus are true to their character and reaffirm my view of their psyche...

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/SJb0vHduIW8wM/giphy.gif)

'When we speak about what is happening in Ukraine – it is a war, not a hybrid one, almost a real war, that the West has been plotting for a long time against Russia,' Lavrov said today.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11666439/War-Russia-West-no-longer-hybrid-real-one-Sergei-Lavrov-warns.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11666439/War-Russia-West-no-longer-hybrid-real-one-Sergei-Lavrov-warns.html)

Yes, yes...when experiencing butthurt a Rus loves to go back to the beginning of time...they have a scorned woman's memory...it doesn't matter if it is a made up memory either...

...plotting, for a long time...yes, since the first half-Slav half-Mongol was birthed upon the Steppes...

Bwuuhaahaaa!!!

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/xUPGcdeU3wvdNPa1Py/giphy.gif)

'But those who refuse must understand that the longer they refuse, the more difficult it is to find a solution,' Lavrov said.

As always, only one side is refusing...  War, like dancing, sex, chess, etc etc takes at least two...   ::bus::

How about just announcing a conference in Geneva, send Sergei if you are serious Putin...make the West come or don't come...

If peace is worth it stay there till somebody shows up and a deal is cut.  If not you have your boogieman...this is how your Soviet iteration typically did things...even the preceding Imperial iteration were more reasonable...

As for the rest of the diatribe...don't care, like in the extreme I do not care...all that nonsense of using past conquest and infiltration as a ethnic/cultural claim to territory...

If people were consistent in that bullsh*t people everywhere would have to kill themselves and surrender to invaders...

Screw that idiocy.   ::mooning::

War, it's all any of these morons agrees on...and if the world ends, BFD...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/125/674/750/original/38b8b74330d8cd62.jpg)H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 24, 2023, 04:04:28 PM
The Roman's were better under Caesar...his raid into Germany, the brilliant Alesia battle, stomped Pompey at Pharsalus, defeated Ptolemy 13th and installed his sweetie Cleopatra as Queen and after that won some battles before Brutus et al stabbed the living sh*t out if him on the Ides of March.

...
But then came the Teutoburg Forest...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2023, 08:19:12 AM
The Roman's were better under Caesar...his raid into Germany, the brilliant Alesia battle, stomped Pompey at Pharsalus, defeated Ptolemy 13th and installed his sweetie Cleopatra as Queen and after that won some battles before Brutus et al stabbed the living sh*t out if him on the Ides of March.

...
But then came the Teutoburg Forest...

That came later, under Varus.

What I liked about Caesar was his intelligent aggression.  He is one of the few field commanders in history who if transported into any other era in history would have been just as effective.  Shortly after a brief foray in Britain he wisely returned to Gaul and confronted the Germanic tribes...his first crossing of the Rhine saw the stunned tribes watching Caesar build a marvelous and sturdy bridge pilings and all in just 10 days, crossed over and raided some villages and when he caught word of a massing of tribes went back over the bridge and dismantled it...

A couple years later he did it again in a different location...but didn't find any tribes...went back and took that one down too...

Have to admire that kind of power projection.  He will fight on his terms and his ground. 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2023, 09:25:56 AM
Here's where perhaps some more people learn how deep in the sewer we truly are...

IMO only the corrupt and stupid can be surprised by any of this...

Corruption there cannot happen without corruption here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/24/multiple-ukraine-officials-removed-or-resigned-as-widespread-corruption-and-embarrassing-financial-graft-discovered/comment-page-1/#comments

https://youtu.be/E-P2qL3qkzk

Now, if in the face of this...we still send money and weapons to Ukraine...the insanity is irreversible and the end is near...

Sadly, I cannot predict a change in trajectory...

PS - I am also hearing that we are not only raiding pre-positioned material in Israel for use in Ukraine but also South Korea.  So, we are weakening ourselves in an area we cannot afford to be weak we are wasting them in a meat-grinder whose outcome being favorable to BlackRock et al appears dubious at best.  I guess that is the one positive...having BlackRock et al taking huge loses.  And the introduction of Abrams tanks is unlikely to help Ukraine...i

The stupid...it is off the charts...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2023, 12:20:03 PM
Corrupt criminal POS DeepState-Puppet announcing Abrams' for Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-furious-over-absurd-extremely-dangerous-decision-us-germany-send-tanks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-furious-over-absurd-extremely-dangerous-decision-us-germany-send-tanks)

Germany reversing course yet again back to Leopard 2's to Ukraine...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/world-war-iii-update-germany-joins-joe-biden-sends-tanks-ukraine-escalate-war-russia/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/world-war-iii-update-germany-joins-joe-biden-sends-tanks-ukraine-escalate-war-russia/)

Pedo said Challengers going too, and arms from other NATO members...

Ukranian's better use cardboard cutouts disguising them as an ambulance or their destruction will occur in record time...

As for this "training"...means NATO, means Americans...means training sites even if in Poland or Hungary...could be declared open targets...

If the goal is to open more fronts to war and escalate to throwing nukes...this will help.

(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/mushroom-cloud-gif-5.gif)

#$%&ing assholes!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2023, 12:51:57 PM
Here's where perhaps some more people learn how deep in the sewer we truly are...

IMO only the corrupt and stupid can be surprised by any of this...

Corruption there cannot happen without corruption here...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/24/multiple-ukraine-officials-removed-or-resigned-as-widespread-corruption-and-embarrassing-financial-graft-discovered/comment-page-1/#comments

https://youtu.be/E-P2qL3qkzk

Now, if in the face of this...we still send money and weapons to Ukraine...the insanity is irreversible and the end is near...

Sadly, I cannot predict a change in trajectory...

PS - I am also hearing that we are not only raiding pre-positioned material in Israel for use in Ukraine but also South Korea.  So, we are weakening ourselves in an area we cannot afford to be weak we are wasting them in a meat-grinder whose outcome being favorable to BlackRock et al appears dubious at best.  I guess that is the one positive...having BlackRock et al taking huge loses.  And the introduction of Abrams tanks is unlikely to help Ukraine...i

The stupid...it is off the charts...

Analysts are scoffing at the idea that the recent purge was related to corruption. Maybe to remove most very close to Zelensky. Others say it was to remove those more connected to UK than to US.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2023, 01:13:07 PM
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0d9c0ef287968eb2bb7457d69aa2b87eb60faef264e060a04eb01f53124780b.jpg)

I sure as sh*t wouldn't go anywhere near there!

Stupid ass distraction that is a Euro issue not an American issue...

Our real enemies are Communist China, Communist North Korea, Communist Cuba, Communist Venezuela, Communist Brazil and the Mahdi Death Cult in Persia!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2023, 06:08:15 PM

I mostly stay off telegram now. I went through a phase where I watched lots of videos, mostly civilian testimonies, to figure out what was going on.

There are lots of videos from western Ukraine and around Kiev of kids celebrating real fascists and mass murderers.

The Russians made several errors. That included not realizing that the people in the areas they were attacking were not defending those areas. Rather Kiev shipped in people from elsewhere who hated the locals and Russians. They also failed to account for the 8 years of education/brainwashing the populace to hate Russians. This included shutting down political parties, TV stations, newspapers.

Here is just one video.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/3220
🇺🇦 Ukrainian neo-Nazies.

Brainwashing starts early for young Ukrainians.

Parents of this Ukrainian toddler play neo-Nazi dubstep songs for him instead of lullabies.

Lyrics of the song before the drop "The dead body of an orc (russian) will fall on the ground, UAF will help in that."
I wonder what's in the video clip..

2014 video from Kiev
https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/10/21/suitcase-with-no-handle/
You ain’t seen nothin’, until you’ve seen the below video.

I’ve sat on this for a long time.

This is from an elite Kiev nightclub, 2014, shortly after the coup, revolution, or whatever you want to call it.

They are serving a cake with a Russian flag and a realistic, live-size “Russian infant”, lying on its back atop the flag.

The server cuts the baby from groin to head.  People love it.

One girl asks if the diaper is edible, another says she wants the tummy.

One guy jokes, “Putin, help!” while another shouts pleadingly, “Ruuuussia, Ruuuuussia!!!“…..

…..indicating the baby is the people of the Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) and other Russians or pro-Russians in southeast Ukraine, who were hoping for the Russian army to move in at that time.

There’s more than just a few people here, it’s packed.

Of course, like everyone in Kiev (back then, anyway), they’re all speaking Russian.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2023, 06:16:12 PM

This video is from Mariupol. He interviews two women who say they were inside the Mariupol theater when the explosions went off. They say the Ukr soldiers brought in chests with explosives and below it up from inside after they left.

I notice how the west mostly has no reporters from areas under Russian control. IMO to prevent reporting.
CNN could have reporters interviewing the locals.

https://youtu.be/cKlgBw8mQhs
 What REALLY Happened At The Mariupol Drama Theatre.
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2023, 08:30:57 AM
All it takes is two countries led by lunatics to end the human race...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/25/bang-war-drums-loudly-joe-biden-announces-u-s-sending-tanks-to-ukraine-as-deeping-nato-war-against-russia-continues/comment-page-5/#comments (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/01/25/bang-war-drums-loudly-joe-biden-announces-u-s-sending-tanks-to-ukraine-as-deeping-nato-war-against-russia-continues/comment-page-5/#comments)

I reckon near the end of the end more than two will be playing...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/125/818/615/original/58eb03284cfc3b2b.png)H/T-WRSA@GAB

As expcted, the Rus are butthurt over being identified as part of the reason...

https://www.theepochtimes.com/kremlin-expresses-alarm-over-doomsday-clock-blames-us-and-nato_5009442.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily (https://www.theepochtimes.com/kremlin-expresses-alarm-over-doomsday-clock-blames-us-and-nato_5009442.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=TheLibertyDaily)

...but the pointy-headed Bulletin scientists are not misspeaking...those "thinly veiled threats" to use nukes if their conventional forces fail have been made several times...

Whatever, lunatics are running all shows...the lucky ones will be those vaporized...the unlikely ones will die in various degrees of horror depending upon radiation absorption...if you see mushroom clouds you may want to run towards them, not away from them.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2023, 01:10:56 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/first-come-tanks-come-nukes-president-trump-calls-end-crazy-war-russia/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/01/first-come-tanks-come-nukes-president-trump-calls-end-crazy-war-russia/)

Correction - Now there must be F-16's placed between tanks and nukes...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-presses-hard-f-16-fighter-jets-immediately-after-securing-tanks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-presses-hard-f-16-fighter-jets-immediately-after-securing-tanks)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 26, 2023, 06:54:33 PM
re: Trump
I remember the GOP debate where they were outdoing each other in how they were going to clobber Russia in Syria. Then came Trump. He said if we get into WWIII it won't be over Syria. That won me over from Cruz. Also, Trump could explain a SCOTUS nomination issue better than Cruz even thought Cruz knows it much better.

Every once in a while some Kiev soldier will complain that 80% oi the locals want Russia to win and rats out the Kiev forces. If that is true, and I think it is in many regions,  then why should the US get in the way? What if Taiwan mostly wants to re-unite with China?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2023, 09:19:11 AM
I doubt the latter...and do not doubt the former the more East you go...but that's just the squatter-effect...

A more apt question to gain acceptance is why do Demoscats prevent a peaceful separation here at home?  Their insistence for open borders and swarms of undesirables, weaponization of institutions against political enemies and open hatred of political enemies seems to indicate their desires are only genocidal in nature...

Good luck!

In war news...

Lockheed eager to ship F-16's to Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/lockheed-says-its-ready-f-16s-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/lockheed-says-its-ready-f-16s-ukraine)

Cue to 3min. mark...

https://youtu.be/q3O79RMAjnU (https://youtu.be/q3O79RMAjnU)

Like Jeebs, Frank St. John's business is "bangin'"!

Anyway, the reality on ground is unchanged...and the introduction of more weapons is probably not likely to alter that...the truly unfortunate thing or things actually, is that all sides are likely to entrench harder (from the West because their proxy is failing and from the East because Russia is winning...and sadly, the only way to get to a negotiating table is if it reaches a draw in Ukraine and for that to happen the West has to start winning and/or Russia has to start to lose...does anybody see any scenario resulting in a push?  I believe the correct answer is no.), refuse to talk without preconditions everybody will reject and the increase in hostility and level of violence is likely to create its own momentum, expand the war beyond the confines of Ukraine and well nothing good can happen after that point...

Long story short...sans leadership change(s) nothing will alter the trajectory to good or worse...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2023, 11:35:15 AM
Thinking we are at 1937 supposed to make people feel swell?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rickards-has-world-war-iii-begun (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rickards-has-world-war-iii-begun)

The danger of escalation to a nuclear exchange is real and growing. Will anyone stop it before it’s too late?

I would like to hear the "yes" people expound on why?!

Tank news -

(https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/29205.jpeg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/who-delivering-tanks-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/who-delivering-tanks-ukraine)

My old-school math puts it at 95-99 with 2 not yet answering.

And, I am hearing that the Abrams are not yet located...meaning nobody in the Army has as yet determined if/what they can part with...   ::hysterical::

And, given logistics, training, support...not to mention structural coordination pending...getting operational for warm weather fighting would be a stretch...and there is the high probability that the Rus won't be playing along with their schedule...

Has fustercluck written all over it!

Here's another great idea - humongous ammo plant in Poland...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-defense-committee-chair-calls-massive-arms-factory-poland (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/uk-defense-committee-chair-calls-massive-arms-factory-poland)

...another idea that needed to be already in-place and operating...at least they get some credit for actually realizing the need...   ::)

And in what appears to be a total Putinphile self-gratification can't-stop-touching-himself marathon by Helmer...

http://johnhelmer.net/blinken-concedes-war-is-lost-offers-kremlin-ukrainian-demilitarization-crimea-donbass-zaporozhe-and-restriction-of-new-tanks-to-western-ukraine-if-there-is-no-russian-offensive/ (http://johnhelmer.net/blinken-concedes-war-is-lost-offers-kremlin-ukrainian-demilitarization-crimea-donbass-zaporozhe-and-restriction-of-new-tanks-to-western-ukraine-if-there-is-no-russian-offensive/)

So, either Helmer is spinning some seriously fantastical propaganda...or Czar Vlad is getting everything he wants.  What would make me snort with robust hilarity is if the Blinken offerr was real and Putin declines!  But, as I suspect this is a wag-the-dog piece to make Russians and Russophiles feel good and for the West and especially American leadership to look stupid.  Really, the latter hardly need any help...

In the end, nothing has changed, both sides locked-in and nobody has the slightest interest in any kind of negotiation...I mean how can the intransigent Americans fighting for their NWO or the Russians for their birthright and unshakeable belief that all Western Devils are liars?

Article is 100% useless.

And, as for this crap out of Peskov...

(https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/a014eff85efa04cbfcae882d2041fdafa61683dbc2bb039805f447d4967063ae.png)

...yeah, well...your Dear Czar Vlad I blew that opportunity, didn't he?!

Schmuck!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2023, 10:09:03 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/north-korea-blasts-us-tanks-ukraine-vows-stand-same-trench-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/north-korea-blasts-us-tanks-ukraine-vows-stand-same-trench-russia)

Oh, well...if North Korea says so...

I'm with ya!

/

Love the arms deliveries to Vlad's private nazi's...very bullish for long term bloodshed, well done! (snort!)

More shilling for Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/white-house-refuses-say-if-ukraine-will-get-toxic-depleted-uranium-ammo (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/white-house-refuses-say-if-ukraine-will-get-toxic-depleted-uranium-ammo)

Gavrilov is full of sh*t...DU is used as a penetrator to pierce armor (as it is self-sharpening and incendiary) and only a child compares it to a crudely made shrapnel terror weapon intended for masses of humans!

Also, most glaringly...zero mention of DU in Rus hands!

At least 18 countries are thought to have weapon systems with DU in their arsenals. These include: UK, US, France, Russia, Greece, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Egypt, Kuwait, Jordan, Pakistan, Oman, Thailand, China, India and Taiwan.
https://newint.org/features/2007/11/01/the-facts (https://newint.org/features/2007/11/01/the-facts)

It's simply that the US and UK admit their use...so naturally they should be vilified for the admission, eh?  Up yours, Konstantin! 

And here we have, as Dr. Strangelove would say "The Bland Corporation" weighing in...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-rand-study-breaks-dc-consensus-warns-us-against-protracted-conflict-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-rand-study-breaks-dc-consensus-warns-us-against-protracted-conflict-ukraine)

...which will be received with silence by the DeepState and the corrupt puppet regime.

Hey, what do their pals at Brookings say?  Bet they are still full-speed-ahead for global annihilation!

As if on cue Medvedev fires up the global annihilation exuberance!

On the same day, Russian Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev issued a scathing condemnation in reaction to the Biden administration and other Western officials claiming that ramped-up arms deliveries are actually helping to prevent a world war.

"Firstly, defending Ukraine, which nobody needs in Europe, will not save the senile Old World from retribution if anything occurs. Secondly, once the Third World War breaks out, unfortunately it will not be on tanks or even on fighter jets. Then everything will definitely be turned to dust," Medvedev wrote on Telegram Saturday.

Kremlin officials have of late made the point that the US M1 Abrams as well as German Leopard tanks will make little difference on the battlefield, other than to ensure rapid escalation between NATO and Russia.

Medvedev was also specifically responding to remarks out of Italy's defense chief, as Russian state media writes:

In this post, Medvedev commented, in particular, on Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto’s remarks that the Third World War would erupt if Russian tanks reached Kiev and "the borders of Europe", and that the weapons sent to Ukraine were meant to stop the escalation. Medvedev equated his remarks to the calls from the United Kingdom to provide Kiev with all the weapons NATO has.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/if-ww3-breaks-out-tanks-or-fighter-jets-wont-matter-kremlin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/if-ww3-breaks-out-tanks-or-fighter-jets-wont-matter-kremlin)

See?  It is undeniable that everybody's batshyt-crazy elite are Jonesing hard for global annihilation, failure to see it is an indication one has joined the unsane.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-01-29_13-52-33.jpg)

(https://i0.wp.com/basedunderground.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Nuclear-War.jpg)

The Big Show, get on the wagon now!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2023, 11:13:21 AM
Last I heard was a chorus of "no tanks"...then there were promises of tanks... (OH, and BTW, I hear the number committed is not up to 321 per SpecOpsMonkey)...

Then we heard "no F-16's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/could-ukraine-actually-get-f-16s (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/could-ukraine-actually-get-f-16s)

...this Hungarian outfit has convinced me they are right...go with the Gripen instead.

Having said that...harkening to the beginning...the F-16's are probably coming...Lockheed Martin wants the profits...

In other news we have the schitzo Pepe talking out all sides of his mouth...seriously, few are masters of the art of non-stop bullsh*ttery like Pepe...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-panicked-empire-tries-make-russia-offer-it-cant-refuse (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-panicked-empire-tries-make-russia-offer-it-cant-refuse)

...his ridiculous straddling as always is to make his beloved Mother Russia look good no matter if it is peace or mushroom clouds...with peace being tossed out the window as a vile Western ruse and an attempt to snatch victory from the oppressed hands of the preeminent Slavic master race extant.

In the end his straddling is exposed as an undeniable mandate for a victorious Russia no matter what.  Peace be damned!

Yeah, that'll end well for the world...

 ::bus:: ::jihadnanner::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 03, 2023, 10:02:17 AM
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaBugle/status/1620854971590918145

Yeah, well...Vlad the Genius didn't want to make a deal with you and the DeepState/DemoCommie/Cuck/Globalist/Media Cabal through a non-stop coup against you and are still doing so and the puppets in place are all gung-ho for war and their adversary is showing no signs of giving a crap either, so...

WWIII it is.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2023, 12:39:08 PM
A 20 min video with Col MacGregor. The first few minutes feature some NATO admiral who says NATO is ready for war with Russia. MacGregor says this is BS. He knows a lot of  military history. Wrote 5 books. Lived in Germany. Tank commander.

https://youtu.be/NyNA9f6kPcU (https://youtu.be/NyNA9f6kPcU)
 OH SH*T, HERE WE GO
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Overnight night the head of NATO said that that Russia is mobilizing an additional 200,000 troops readying a massive offensive. Poland is ready to send F-16 jets to Ukraine in coordination with NATO. And Ukraine’s head of intelligence says Crimea will be retaken by Ukraine. Colonel Douglas MacGregor joins Clayton Morris to talk about the latest developments.  …

https://www.amazon.com/stores/Douglas-A.-Macgregor/author/B001IZ1KQ4?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true (https://www.amazon.com/stores/Douglas-A.-Macgregor/author/B001IZ1KQ4?ref=ap_rdr&store_ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2023, 02:13:51 PM


Lots of numbers on killed, casualties, population left.  11 min long.
https://youtu.be/ism7uPMYjQ8

 Douglas Macgregor - Manpower Resources Exhausted
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Douglas Macgregor - Manpower Resources Exhausted
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2023, 09:56:45 AM
Kinda makes my point...nobody is listening...on any "side" of this...it's like two rams in the rut with locked horns...both would rather die than yield or accept help in yielding from anybody...and they are not concerned about any collateral damage beyond empty rhetoric and ever hardening positions...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2023, 01:11:03 PM

Most of this is totally predictable.
When the Kiev forces attacked in spring 2022 Russia would enter the war.
Many soldiers killed. Many civilians killed. Millions of refugees flee Ukr. Most to Poland, second to Russia.
The Ukr economy would be destroyed for a very long time.
Russia would win just like the US would win a war along our southern border because we would have no choice.
At least I hope we would win such a war.

The EU countries should have intervened long ago because the EU would be harmed when the above happened.
Instead they now say that the Minsk accords were just a ruse to give Kiev time to arm and train for a war.
I was kinda shocked when Sec Def Austin said that the US goal was to weaken and degrade Russia.
Why not at least pretend to care about Ukrainians?

Then some US military policy guys said this war is a great bargain for the US because we just spend money and no American lives to weaken Russia. What about Ukr lives? Sociopaths all.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2023, 01:45:32 PM

When I look at WWII I see mostly historically common reason for starting the war. Getting land and resources.
Japanese got Manchurian coal and iron mines? Korean comfort women. Malaysian rubber? SE Asian oil. Vietnamese tin mines?

Here is how I see the history. Hundreds of years ago ethnic Russians settled in some areas and never left. Maybe in the 1930s Stalin shipped more Russians into some areas in boxcars and they never left. They practiced their religion and spoke Russian and taught their kids in Russian.

In maybe 1940s there was a movement started to teach some Ukrainian superiority. Some of these people fought on the side of Germany because why not? Stalin was monster. Many of these people also drank the NAZI cool aid and slaughtered 10s or 100 thousands of Jews, Poles, Russian civilians in a short period.

Stalin drew borders through ethnic groups to mess with them, including locating lots of historic ethnic Russia inside new Ukraine borders. USSR collapsed. Ukraine now was split maybe 50-50 pro Russian-Ukrainian but with lots of inter marriage.

US govt decides to mess with Russia as it knows that Russia feels threatened by NATO expansion and would go to war over Ukraine as memos show. US backs a violent coup in 2014 and the elected president flees the country. A more US friendly president is installed. Some of the Donbass is not happy with a foreign installed president and rebels, with Russian help. Ukrainian superiority education ramps up hugely as does anti Russia teachings.

Inside of the modern Ukraine borders there are historically Ukrainian, Russia, Romanian(?), Polish, and Hungarian lands. Kiev considers all of this 'sacred' Ukrainian land.

Germany and France are concerned over this war and negotiate the Minsk accords, leaving the US out of the picture.
Then Germany and France do nothing where they should pressured Ukraine into implementing the if they wanted to avoid further war which would screw them.  Instead they were cucks and now say they never had any intention of implementing Minsk but wanted to give Kiev time to arm and train for war.

What does Kiev want out of this? They want to shut down Russian language TV stations and newspapers, ban political parties, force everyone to teach their children in Ukrainian, destroy Russian books, fine people for speaking Russian in business, and now arrest orthodox priests and seize orthodox churches of the incorrect branch or sect. They have done most of this where they control.  Many people take teaching their children their language seriously. Also their religion.

Kiev does not get Malaysian rubber, SE Asian oil, Manchurian iron and coal out of this. They get to mess with Russians if they win. What a stupid reason for a war.
They could have made an effort to get along.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2023, 02:50:32 PM


Former Israeli PM Bennet revealed some things about Ukraine in an interview.
He tried to mediate early in the invasion, between Ukraine and Russia so he went to Russia.
Zelensky had been hiding in a bunker, fearing assassination by Russia.
Putin told Bennet that he would not try to assassinate Zelensky. Then Zelensky came out and said he was not afraid of Putin.

He also said that interference from the West derailed his attempt to mediate.
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730670 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730670)
Zelensky adviser: Bennett’s claims on Putin guarantee ‘fiction’
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba: “Do not be fooled: he is an expert liar. Every time he has promised not to do something, it has been exactly part of his plan.”
...
Poldolyk tweeted that “claims on "mediation" that Putin allegedly gave "guarantees not to kill" [and] "the West interrupted promising negotiations" are fiction.”
...
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730603?_ga=2.43960805.1926303533.1675598816-103014047.1667283256 (https://www.jpost.com/international/article-730603?_ga=2.43960805.1926303533.1675598816-103014047.1667283256)
‘Putin assured me he wouldn’t kill Zelensky,’ Bennett recalls
“Do you intend to kill Zelensky?” Bennett recalled asking Putin, during an almost five-hour interview he gave to Israel’s Channel 12.
...
https://ummid.com/news/2023/february/05.02.2023/us-allies-blocked-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-ex-israeli-pm-bennett.html (https://ummid.com/news/2023/february/05.02.2023/us-allies-blocked-russia-ukraine-peace-deal-ex-israeli-pm-bennett.html)

US, Allies blocked Russia-Ukraine peace deal: Ex-Israeli PM Bennett
Responding to the revelations, Russia's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova termed it "yet another confession" that the West wasn't interested in peace in Ukraine. Read More
Sunday February 5, 2023 11:50 PM, IANS
...
Jerusalem: Russia and Ukraine might have come to a peaceful settlement in April 2022, just over a month after their conflict broke out, but the Western powers blocked it, as per former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, reports said on Sunday.

In an a nearly five-hour-long video interview to Israel's Channel 12 on Saturday, he claimed that his efforts as a middleman came close to succeeding as both Moscow and Kiev appeared to be ready to make concessions and agree to a truce, RT reported.

Bennett, however, said that the negotiations did not succeed because it was "a legitimate decision by the West to keep striking (Russian President Vladimir) Putin, I mean the more aggressive approach".

Asked if the US and its allies "blocked" the peace process between Moscow and Kiev, he said:

    "Basically, yes. They blocked it."

"I claim there was a good chance of reaching a ceasefire. But I'm not claiming it was the right thing," Bennett said.




Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2023, 02:53:56 PM

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/24162 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/24162)
...
Ex-Prime Minister of Israel spoke about Putin's promise not to kill Zelensky - rbc.ru (https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/02/2023/63df501d9a7947d4a77a366b (https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/02/2023/63df501d9a7947d4a77a366b))

Former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said Russian President Vladimir Putin promised him "not to kill" Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelensky. Bennett spoke about this in an interview with Channel 12, his words are quoted by the Times of Israel (https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeting-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/ (https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-putin-assured-me-at-moscow-meeting-he-wouldnt-kill-zelensky/)).

In an interview, the ex-premier spoke about his meeting with Putin in early March last year, when he flew to Moscow to mediate. “I knew that Zelensky was under threat, in a bunker… I asked [Putin], ‘Are you going to kill Zelensky?’ He replied: “I will not kill Zelensky,” Bennett recalls.

According to him, he asked again: “Do you give me your word that you will not kill Zelensky?” Putin repeated that he was not going to do it, the former prime minister recounted.

Bennett said that after talking with the Russian president, he immediately called Zelensky and relayed Putin's words to him. The Ukrainian leader asked him if Bennett was sure. He replied: “100 percent. [Putin] is not going to kill you.”

Two hours later, Zelensky went to his office and took a selfie there, saying: "I'm not afraid," the ex-premier said.

...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pablo de Fleurs on February 05, 2023, 08:03:35 PM
It might be fun, though, to take a large circular saw & rip Zelensky into 2, perfectly even halves -- then clone each half & see if BOTH could exist on their own.

#ScientificSpeculation #MaybeJustMaybe
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2023, 10:24:05 AM
"I claim there was a good chance of reaching a ceasefire. But I'm not claiming it was the right thing," Bennett said.   ::hysterical::

I love a narcissist who is on the winning side of any outcome!

/

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 06, 2023, 11:44:26 AM
Here I thought this talk of Poland taking part of Ukraine was total BS.
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/4617
Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Marowiecki has called on Zielenski to "temporarily hand over" the territories of western Ukraine to Poland.

"I don't think Putin would dare to attack a country that is a current NATO member. He is anything but suicidal. The western territories of Ukraine will be safe if they temporarily come under the protectorate of the Polish state," he said.

We think none of those who drew maps of the "supposed partition of Ukraine" could even assume that everything would be done so clumsily and brazenly.

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2023, 12:14:28 PM
Heh, it could only work if it was made permanent...by having it ceded to them or by them annexing it...

But, why not?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

Or, if you will...no silly rules in the real fight club...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 06, 2023, 01:45:28 PM
Heh, it could only work if it was made permanent...by having it ceded to them or by them annexing it...

But, why not?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

Or, if you will...no silly rules in the real fight club...

UPDATE: NOT CONFIRMED YET.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2023, 08:41:00 AM
Heh, it could only work if it was made permanent...by having it ceded to them or by them annexing it...

But, why not?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander...

Or, if you will...no silly rules in the real fight club...

UPDATE: NOT CONFIRMED YET.

I'm shocked!

/

I think a lot of stuff is going to be on hold...

That pesky corruption stuff popping up again...which is hilarious...corruption is in every government on the planet...some are just better insulated than others...and I do not care who they are...you throw lots of money at any of them...the corruption expands in size and scope...all that "aid" to sh*tholes, banana republics and so-called friends and moderate Muslims...might as well set it on fire...but with the collective idiocy of the West plowing everything into Ukraine...how can it not be center ring in the global corruption circus?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-defense-minister-next-go-after-army-food-contract-corruption-scandal (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-defense-minister-next-go-after-army-food-contract-corruption-scandal)

Will Budanov resist "technical mistakes" long enough to get tanks et al in-theater?

And once here. will it matter?  If Challengers and Leopards are anything like an Abrams...they have a long logistics train...and even if crews (currently training in the UK) get proficient it will still be like handing the keys to a Bugatti Veyron to a teenager and expecting happy results...and those results will be fortunate if a hastily spooled up maintenance crew is returned something salvageable...

Anyway...nobody cares...everybody wants to play war and everybody thinks everything is going to be swell...

United Nations Secretary General Antonio Guterres warned on Monday in a speech delivered before the 193-member UN General Assembly that the world is headed toward a "wider war" in Ukraine due to the ever-increasing risk of escalation.

"The prospects for peace keep diminishing," Guterres said. "The chances of further escalation and bloodshed keep growing." He then sounded the alarm that "I fear the world is not sleepwalking into a wider war. I fear it is doing so with its eyes wide open."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-walking-ww3-eyes-wide-open-un-chief-tells-general-assembly (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/world-walking-ww3-eyes-wide-open-un-chief-tells-general-assembly)

WWIII coming no matter what...there is zero interest in anything else by every major player in every nation involved in this sh*tshow...all the doomed can do is watch...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 08, 2023, 03:13:15 PM

And this year's Pulitzer goes to .....
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
How America Took Out The Nord Stream Pipeline
The New York Times called it a “mystery,” but the United States executed a covert sea operation that was kept secret—until now
Seymour Hersh
9 hr ago
The U.S. Navy’s Diving and Salvage Center can be found in a location as obscure as its name—down what was once a country lane in rural Panama City, a now-booming resort city in the southwestern panhandle of Florida, 70 miles south of the Alabama border. The center’s complex is as nondescript as its location—a drab concrete post-World War II structure that has the look of a vocational high school on the west side of Chicago. A coin-operated laundromat and a dance school are across what is now a four-lane road.

The center has been training highly skilled deep-water divers for decades who, once assigned to American military units worldwide, are capable of technical diving to do the good—using C4 explosives to clear harbors and beaches of debris and unexploded ordinance—as well as the bad, like blowing up foreign oil rigs, fouling intake valves for undersea power plants, destroying locks on crucial shipping canals. The Panama City center, which boasts the second largest indoor pool in America, was the perfect place to recruit the best, and most taciturn, graduates of the diving school who successfully did last summer what they had been authorized to do 260 feet under the surface of the Baltic Sea.
...
https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream

also
https://youtu.be/XSUUjH71vkw
 NORD STREAM BOMBSHELL - DETAILED SY HERSH ARTICLE IMPLICATES BIDEN NEOCONS
Garland Nixon

Maybe this belongs under the NATO topic. A country attacked a NATO member by blowing up their pipeline.
Garland Nixon focused on how Germany is a US vassal and their leaders cucks.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2023, 04:53:38 PM
So....

Seymour must want to get snuffed by the IC/DoD wing of the DeepState...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d7cb313fed53d78166700a03dca2b7cfb159e70312d49ce1aa8df5731b7f113.gif)

You just cannot up and say the dirty little secret everybody knows out loud...the DemoCommies tell us this like all the time...the Cucks don't say jack sh*t except nod and support the latest fund raiser...  Seymour simply offered more background on the dirty little well know secret is all...still...

How impolite!  How troglodyte!  How hypocritical!

Hmm, wait...unless they/them think this will help them get rid of two rotten birds (cough, JoeFraud...cough, Heels-up Harris)...because you damn well know all concerned are all-in on global thermonuclear war over Ukraine!

I mean, why else the clincher at the end - "The only flaw was the decision to do it" - who has such authority in the banana republic of America?

That way...they/them get a new puppet...imbeciles too stupid to realize any puppet will do think 'Murica got "better"...and the rush to war doesn't miss a beat...

Heck, probably some cash on the side for those allies whose pipeline got fragged...and a Peace Prize for the new puppet on the eve of Armageddon!

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Biden-on-Ukraine.jpg)H/T-GP

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3da04005e4c1950ede604fb030add95693e92266fe475f91f73d41d0d72af711.jpg)H/T-WZ

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/mitt-romney-stands-sotu.jpg)H/T-GP

(https://thefederalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/IMG_1935-1200x675.jpg)H/T-CTH

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/126/823/658/original/a1d56790c060e42a.jpg)H/T-WRSA@GAB

Easy enough to insert the new puppet into the above...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2023, 08:28:02 AM
The fallout from the Hersh article begins...

JoeFraud's White House still in full denial mode...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nord-stream-sabotage-was-cia-us-navy-covert-op-seymour-hersh-bombshell-prompts-white (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nord-stream-sabotage-was-cia-us-navy-covert-op-seymour-hersh-bombshell-prompts-white)

Sundance thinks there will be major fallout over this...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/08/details-surface-of-biden-administration-deliberately-destroying-nord-stream-pipeline-then-lying-about-it-repeatedly/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/08/details-surface-of-biden-administration-deliberately-destroying-nord-stream-pipeline-then-lying-about-it-repeatedly/)

...but he is focusing on the cover up...which makes sense it is the way politics thinks and acts in The Swamp...it will have zero impact on the lust for more war the DeepState and its allies have...

In fact, it might be a bit of side circus necessary for the DeepState wings to return to totalitarian business as usual...

And hey, the Un-Holy Macron is still all-in...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-says-russia-cannot-win-against-ukraine-while-hosting-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/macron-says-russia-cannot-win-against-ukraine-while-hosting-zelensky)

And this lying piece of sh*t rat-bastard traitor is still shilling for war...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alexander-vindman-and-road-world-war-iii (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alexander-vindman-and-road-world-war-iii)

...and he has a willing dance partner in Putin...bad assumptions are not deterring anybody...the sh*t-show and all it entails marches inexorably forward...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 09, 2023, 12:16:32 PM
At least Monkey is getting some credit where credit is due...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/independent-evidence-video-confirms-key-part-sy-hershs-report-attack-nord-stream-2/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/independent-evidence-video-confirms-key-part-sy-hershs-report-attack-nord-stream-2/)

In related news...

The Speaker of the Russian parliament Vyacheslav Volodin branded US President Joe Biden a “terrorist” after a report by veteran US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh blamed Washington for sabotaging the Nord Stream pipelines last year. Russia is calling for a special session of the UN security council, while the German AfD party wants a parliamentary investigation.

Volodin called the purported US Nord Stream sabotage “an act of intimidation of its vassals, who decided to develop their economy in the interests of their own citizens.” He demanded an international investigation to “bring Biden and his accomplices to justice,” and to make sure that the nations affected by this “terrorist attack” are paid compensation.

The AfD (Alternative for Germany) party has called a special session of the German Bundestag (parliament) on the charges for Friday, and is demanding a parliamentary inquiry.
.
.
.
Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova called on the White House to comment on the report. Russia intends to convene an official UN Security Council Meeting regarding the incident, she said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/russian-parliament-speaker-nord-stream-attack-joe-biden-terrorist-must-brought-justice/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/russian-parliament-speaker-nord-stream-attack-joe-biden-terrorist-must-brought-justice/)

Frankly, you can have at any of the aforementioned...but it will have zero impact on the lust for more conflict...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/global-government-360x188.jpg)

Puppet's don't matter, they are obviously easily replaced...

FYI -

(https://100percentfedup.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Screen-Shot-2023-02-08-at-5.52.20-PM.png)
https://100percentfedup.com/fema-map-shows-potential-nuclear-targets-in-u-s-as-tensions-with-russia-and-china-increase-video/ (https://100percentfedup.com/fema-map-shows-potential-nuclear-targets-in-u-s-as-tensions-with-russia-and-china-increase-video/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 09, 2023, 04:30:23 PM
Quote
And this lying piece of sh*t rat-bastard traitor is still shilling for war...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alexander-vindman-and-road-world-war-iii (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/alexander-vindman-and-road-world-war-iii)

I heard Vindman wanted to put NATO troops near the front inside Ukraine to repair equipment.
Now it is hauled back to Poland for repair.

Cringe photo new top gun movie?
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/4638 (https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/4638)

This is anti US propaganda for sure but this is how it ends for Ukraine. The bull is Belarus. I think the Polish eagles are taking away gold. Not sure what that means. The US is using Ukraine and Ukrainians.
https://rumble.com/v27nfoi-ukrainian-piglet-15-piglet-taken-advantage-of-by-us-and-discarded.-english.html (https://rumble.com/v27nfoi-ukrainian-piglet-15-piglet-taken-advantage-of-by-us-and-discarded.-english.html)

https://youtu.be/rnut-E_eEM0 (https://youtu.be/rnut-E_eEM0)
Col. Macgregor: Ukraine is About to be ANNIHILATED (Exclusive Interview)


AG Garland said he is moving to seize property of Russia and Russians.
On what legal basis, especially for individuals?
In short, this is spooking many around the world who park cash inside the US.
The US is the number one place to park cash for Chinese, Saudis, everyone.
They may move it.
https://youtu.be/vWHmGnHW0V0 (https://youtu.be/vWHmGnHW0V0)
 2023.02.08 The US Has Legalized Theft
Gonzalo Lira — Again

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 10, 2023, 09:33:04 AM
Annihilation has to be good...it is one of the ways this blows bigger...

I see nothing slowing down anyone's appetite for violence or increasing anyone's interest for peace...

Bigger, uglier and bloodier...

 ::popcorn:: 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 10, 2023, 10:47:53 AM

Here is how I see things about the media and Ukraine.
Kiev is very smart in their media campaign. The almost daily generate 'news' which the western MSM repeats.
1. Ukraine is winning.
2. Russia is losing.
3. Russia just committed another atrocity/war crime.

It does not matter whether it is true as the MSM will repeat it as fact.
This campaign translates into arms and money from the west.
It freaking works.
When they are caught making things up it does not harm their credibility.

The west also goes to great lengths to muzzle and independent reporting. Some of them walk around in Russian/DPR/LPR  controlled areas and put a mic in front of people in front of a camera and let them talk.
I probably watched 100 videos back when before I quit. One such reporter Graham Phillips is from UK, speaks Russian. The UK govt put him on  a sanctions list (and seized his money and froze his account)  along with Putin, Russian banks, etc. There is similar German reporter and the German govt charged her under criminal law and seized her money and froze her bank account. Also her parents' account. No one seems to notice that there is not a single CNN reporter in those areas.

If the sources I follow are correct (and they might not be correct) and the Kiev govt/army  collapses I wonder how the MSM and US govt will spin it? Some say that they will simply not talk about it and switch to another topic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 11, 2023, 10:46:36 AM
Don't be silly...any collapse will be due to Russian infiltrators and will ensure direct NATO entry.

In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaetz-files-ukraine-fatigue-resolution-stop-funding-proxy-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/gaetz-files-ukraine-fatigue-resolution-stop-funding-proxy-war)

Ukraine fatigue...

Well, there is a sh*tload of all sorts of fatigue going own these past few years...it seems to be the only booming industry these days...along with corruption, thuggery, theft, censorship, war and general totalitarianism...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 11, 2023, 05:14:39 PM

Too complicated for me to follow. The EU did not help Finland so Finland is not helping Ukraine?
The person says Finland is not going to destroy itself to make EU happy.

https://youtu.be/DDNq6_WVBr4

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2023, 10:54:23 AM
Entirely possible this India-based outfit with what appears to me given their "headlines" anybody can peruse on their main news homepage has a clear pro-BRICS bias and seems to relish in teasing Western Nations and nations the West associates with and/or approaches.  They have other pro-Turkey "news" and so a healthy chunk of salt needs to accompany anything they put out.

Now, applying a requisite filter and finding what nuts the blind squirrel leaves behind...I do not find it odd when any nation attempts to secure the best deal it can for itself and that is all that is in play with this NATO Sweden & Finland stuff with Turkey is about...somebody will have to throw the asshole Erdogan his pieces of silver if they want them in NATO...

It's all a Turkey shakedown op...and one likely to see a higher price tag given the magnitude of the quake damage they are burdened with...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2023, 11:20:05 AM

Erdogan being Erdogan, as predicted.

I still did not follow why Finland won't join unless Sweden joins. Don't much care either.
I think the reactions of many of these countries is emotional and heavily influenced by females and feminized men. "We can't just sit here, we have to do something."

IMO the Baltics and Nordics are sending weapons to Ukraine that will have almost no effect and are virtue signalling. They are like Chihuahuas barking at the Russian bear through the closed gate. What happens when it opens? 

The only country who attacked Germany in the last year was the US via the NS pipeline. Sweden has been invaded by hordes of Muslims but they are worried about a Russian invasion?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2023, 01:41:55 PM
Links to videos. One is of real, named Ukrainians who said they were making chemical weapons.
The second shows one use on two Russians. Like the older videos executing Russian POWs these Ukrainians are proud of this and make videos.

https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/02/10/video-ukraine-loads-phosgene-gas-onto-drones-deploys-chemical-weapons-against-russian-soldiers/ (https://www.theinteldrop.org/2023/02/10/video-ukraine-loads-phosgene-gas-onto-drones-deploys-chemical-weapons-against-russian-soldiers/)

This episode of redacted has more videos running in background that I have not seen before of Ukraine soldiers thanking the makers of the chemical weapons etc. The US launched 80+ cruise missiles into Syria for a faked gas attack. We invaded Iraq for alleged chemical weapons.

https://youtu.be/Wn9V41asoxs (https://youtu.be/Wn9V41asoxs)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2023, 02:10:25 PM

Direct link to 2 videos. Not the videos in the redacted video.
 
rumble.com/v290vzc-is-ukraine-using-chemical-weapons.html
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2023, 09:26:25 AM
In the age of increasingly better deep-fake tech...gonna need a credible video expert weigh in...

I would think if accurate, the Rus would be parading evidence before the UN by now...

Anyway, the violence will be ratcheted up one way or another...nobody is walking away from this sh!t-show...

See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-tells-any-remaining-americans-get-out-russia-or-face-possible-conscription (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-tells-any-remaining-americans-get-out-russia-or-face-possible-conscription)

I think the proper response is  ::hysterical::

Only a batshyt-crazy corrupt administration could possibly think the Rus would want let alone trust any forcibly conscripted Americans in their ranks!

Aside from strapping proximity-fused explosives to them and parachuting them into the battlespace I don't see why they would bother...

Plus, as soon as the corrupt FJB started his sanctions any American staying in Russia after that for good or ill i son their own...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 13, 2023, 11:18:23 AM
Geez. I think that non citizens cannot even enlist. 
Last I heard, resident aliens in Russia who wanted to enlist could not.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2023, 11:47:16 AM
Strike three then...

It's all BS!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2023, 08:37:33 AM
Moldova getting hotter...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/moldovas-pro-eu-president-claims-russia-planning-overthrow-her (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/moldovas-pro-eu-president-claims-russia-planning-overthrow-her)

We've been patrolling the heck out of this border area for over a year non-stop...

Matter of when not if...

But, war...is inescapable...

A French historian who accurately predicted the fall of the Soviet Union over a decade in advance says that World War III has already begun as a result of the conflict in Ukraine.

The comments were made by Emmanuel Todd, one of France’s leading intellectuals, during an interview with the Le Figaro newspaper.

“It is evident that the conflict, initially a limited territorial war, has evolved into a global economic confrontation between the whole West on one side, and Russia, backed by China, on the other. It has become a world war,” Todd said.

Todd added that “the resistance of the Russian economy is pushing the U.S. imperial system toward the abyss” and that Biden must “hurry” to rescue a “fragile” America.

According to the historian, U.S. control of the world financial system is at risk because the Russian economy’s resistance to sanctions is pushing “the American imperial system” toward the precipice,” with Russia still able to rely on China for monetary backing.

Todd says America “cannot withdraw from the conflict, they cannot let go,” because it has no exit strategy and the stakes are too high.

“This is why we are now in an endless war, in a confrontation whose outcome must be the collapse of one or the other,” said the intellectual.

Todd is a widely respected figure, having accurately predicted the collapse of the Soviet Union 14 years before it happened.

As we highlighted last month, the head of the Russian Orthodox Church cautioned that any attempt to “destroy Russia” by “madmen” trying to impose their values will lead to “the end of the world.”

“We pray to the Lord so that he enlightens those madmen and helps them understand that any desire to destroy Russia will mean the end of the world,” said Patriarch Kirill.

Elon Musk also recently warned that “most are oblivious to the danger” of a new global conflict.

Donald Trump also recently cautioned, “We’re on the brink of World War 3,” and in a campaign video last week asserted, “If I were president, the Russia Ukraine war would never have happened … never in a million years.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-historian-world-war-iii-has-already-begun (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-historian-world-war-iii-has-already-begun)

Everybody wants some...

https://youtu.be/qcnAXlhOIkg (https://youtu.be/qcnAXlhOIkg)

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 14, 2023, 09:20:01 AM
IMO many international problems are caused by female leaders and feminized men.
The Nordics, Baltics, and Moldova have plenty of them.
The leaders also want to please their peers rather than their citizens.

Olaf Scholz said Germany would send Leopard tanks only if the US sent Abrams.
The US said they would send Abrams so Scholz said they would send Leopards.
He did not read the fine print. The US will send Abrams when hell freezes over.
Scholz is pissed.

I heard that the UK sent the last of their self propelled howitzers and have zero left.





Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 14, 2023, 09:25:15 AM

This guy makes sense to me. The leaders do not believe in nations.

https://youtu.be/8-fc4ox3tS4
GAME OVER - EUROPE'S SUICIDAL IDEOLOGY
Garland Nixon
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2023, 12:03:16 PM
Heh, who in power believes in anything but more power, extracting more wealth from the unwilling and the stupid alike...and in vast Empire?   ::hysterical::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2023, 12:16:13 PM
Umm...ahhh...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-speaks-hold-president-account/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/seymour-hersh-speaks-hold-president-account/)

Methinks Seymour has too easily forgotten whom the illegitimate puppet FJB answers to and whom they already control...

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8d7cb313fed53d78166700a03dca2b7cfb159e70312d49ce1aa8df5731b7f113.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 15, 2023, 10:39:21 AM

These people are crazier than I realized. But they were crazy enough to blow up the NS pipeline.
How long until Russia and China supply modern weapons to US and Mexican drug gangs?

Reports that US is recruiting and training Islamic terrorists to operate inside Russia.

https://youtu.be/GFYaldgDx44
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2023, 08:35:10 AM
Well, you can't have escalation without crazy and stupid bastards on all sides...

Item 1 - How about that...umm...ahh...South African...ehh...(snort)...n..navy?!   ::laughonfloor::

“We are very much looking forward to seeing the Russian and Chinese navies in action; I am sure our navy will learn a lot,”
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-africa-host-strange-naval-drills-warships-china-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-africa-host-strange-naval-drills-warships-china-russia)

Yeah...like, we don't have that, can't do that, don't, can't, don't, can't...

 ::laughonfloor::

Looks to me like a "shiny" moment and that's all...

Oh, and... 

“In April 2017, it was reported that the Zircon had reached a speed of Mach 8 during a test. If that information is accurate, the Zircon missile would be the fastest in the world, making it nearly impossible to defend against due to its speed alone.

“Another valuable aspect of the missile is its plasma cloud. During flight, the missile is completely covered by a plasma cloud that absorbs any rays of radio frequencies and makes the missile invisible to radars. This allows the missile to remain undetected on its way to the target.”

Plasma...untrackable?  Uhh huh...  I don't think this idiot knows what plasma is.

Built-in hubris that if believed makes their deployment a certainty...

Combined with Item 2 and you really increase the crazy stupid -

Andrey Gurulyov, a State Duma member and former military commander, recently gave a warning to the United States during a broadcast on the Kremlin-controlled Russia-1 network.

In a panel moderated by host Vladimir Solovyov, Gurulyov said that Americans “won’t come to their senses” until they “get hit with a nuke on their skull.”

The Russian ultra-nationalist also claimed that a nuclear strike was the only path forward to ensure lasting peace.

“There is no other way to talk to these fools,” Gurulyov said.
https://beckernews.com/2-russian-politician-nuke-49338/ (https://beckernews.com/2-russian-politician-nuke-49338/)

More loose talk from Rus about tossing nukes, yeah...that's not batshyt-crazy....

/

And the mongrel doesn't even have the intellectual honesty to separate the innocent oppressed citizens of America from its illegitimate vote-stealing puppets and their DeepState overlords...no, he goes on to another typical mad Russian rant about conquering the entire world...  It appears that using this clown's logic means every Rus is a blood-thirsty nuke-tossing world-dominating megalomaniac, eh?

Yeah, there is totally stable MFers in leadership positions in every nation...

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 16, 2023, 11:59:23 AM

At least the Russian guy is only a member of the Duma, a crazy politician. I do not recall any Russian officials in authority positions mentioning nukes. I only recall the MSM putting those words in their mouths.

What would happen after a Chinese missile hit a US carrier? 5,000 dead.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2023, 12:38:05 PM
Umm, no...

Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov basically echoed statements made by Putin in the past that nukes would be used in "self defense" if "attacked"...neither of which were limited by being attacked with nuclear or convention weapons...

There was also Putin's "not a bluff" televised address back in September which I believe I posted in this thread where he said their nukes are more modern than the West's and they are prepared to use them.

And the above is merely a reiteration of his 2020 nuclear deterrent policy statement that a nuclear response is on the table if conventional attacks on its "government and military infrastructure"...which is a pretty broad list of possibilities that now extends into annexed territories.

Lavrov, Patrushev, Peskov, Shoigu all warn of apocalyptic responses should this red line or that red line be crossed even with conventional means...

Putin in December even floated removing a "no first use" promise in their doctrine.

Scroll backwards in this thread...you'll find the quotes and links.

As for Chi-Com's hitting a carrier...that would trigger some kinetic action all along their military infrastructure...getting through the defensive screens means they'd have to launch a sh*tload of them though...everybody else in the Pacific Basin would be going hot...it would trigger a global war no doubt.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 16, 2023, 04:35:59 PM

At the time., I looked into direct quotes by Putin that turned out to be not as bad as what was attributed to him.
I recall Putin saying they would use all means at their disposal to defend the motherland. Since Russia has nukes the headlines said he threatened to use nukes.

Now some guy "basically echoed" Putin.

I know all the references you referred to. As with Trump, I prefer only direct quotes.

I recall some statement by Putin that said nukes might be used if the west attempted to decapitate Moscow using non nuclear means. E.g. B-52s.

I give the same weight to Duma members that I would give to members of congress. Very little. Who was the congress critter who worried that all the US weapons on Guam might make it tip over?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 16, 2023, 04:49:47 PM
Putin's statements came off Russia TV and Russia news...

Our idiots come off MFM...

Are we not trusting each others idiots?

If not then does it really matter what anybody says or doesn't say if nobody wants to hear it?

I don't think this leaves the world in a better position...

 ::unknowncomic::

All are fvcked!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2023, 08:49:11 AM
Useless EU loves to beat up on the internal politics of Poland and Hungary...

(https://cdn.britannica.com/49/175449-050-FEC82EC6/Exclaves-Spanish-Melilla-Ceuta-Spain-Locator-map.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/notorious-drug-trafficking-hub-used-russian-oil-shipments (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/notorious-drug-trafficking-hub-used-russian-oil-shipments)

...but the butthead's of Brussels cannot even reign in dark fleet operations off of its Spanish members coast!

What a bunch of inept clowns!   ::hysterical::

Meanwhile...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-says-army-ready-join-war-if-attacked (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-says-army-ready-join-war-if-attacked)

That homicidal lunatic reminds me of somebody...

(http://www.tasteofcinema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/best-suspense-films.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2023, 11:52:57 AM

I never decided whether smugglers are good guys or bad guys. Ever watch The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh? That is also where I first heard the phrase "press gang." Now common in Ukraine.

IMO a good summary of Ukraine. The MSM coverage of the Ukraine war is unbelievable to me. In just one aspect, there are zero or close to zero major media western reporters in Russian controlled lands in Ukraine. Same with the non Kiev controlled eastern areas of Ukraine before 2022. I have seen Al jazeera and Tele Sur. There are a few independents but some have been criminally charged back in their home countries.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rickards-horrifying-endgame-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/rickards-horrifying-endgame-ukraine)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 17, 2023, 12:08:04 PM
It's one-sided...but who cares?

America bad!  Russia bears zero responsibility for the end result!  Feel better?

Going to feel better with that narrative or any other one once the bright flashes pop, mushroom clouds rise and fallout rains down on the poor miserable survivors around the planet?

I'm sure topic #1 on everybody's minds will be who in particular to blame...

/

What nobody is talking about is a sensible way out of all this mess...but ALL SIDES are cemented in reinforced concrete in their positions and desired outcomes...

It is inevitable...inescapable...

I blame no one person/entity/government/nation.

I blame ALL!

That's the God honest truth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2023, 04:51:31 PM

Someone went back to the Afghanistan war to predict how Ukraine will end.

1. We will never leave Afghanistan.
2. The Afghan president flees the country with $160 million in cash in suitcases.
3  The US leaves.
4. No one talks about it any more.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2023, 10:11:20 AM
I don't think the world is that lucky...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 18, 2023, 11:20:11 AM


This history teacher created a bunch of videos on Ukraine history
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7 (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7)

I only watched one, 11 min long, focused on brief history before 1918 then mostly 1918.
There are 2 interesting maps.
4:55 shows several states that were part of the Soviets  soon after the revolution.
I have heard of the "historically Ukrainian parts of Ukraine" and I think this map shows that.
I think this part independently had a peace treaty with the central powers (Germany et al.) to end WWI which the Russians did not agree with.
https://youtu.be/vzGpUVX0Q54?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7&t=289 (https://youtu.be/vzGpUVX0Q54?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7&t=289)
 

9:57 Shows the Polish areas of Ukraine in 1918. The video ends in 1918.
The map at 9:55 shows the "historically Polish areas of Ukraine."
https://youtu.be/vzGpUVX0Q54?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7&t=555 (https://youtu.be/vzGpUVX0Q54?list=PL_bcNuRxKtpEpCktnPjYD0yF053mDcDR7&t=555)

Another good map in this different video. At 0:55
https://youtu.be/dgbY8J3-wKM?t=51 (https://youtu.be/dgbY8J3-wKM?t=51)
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/dgbY8J3-wKM?t=51[/lowkeysays]
The Polish–Ukrainian War (1919) - How Poland Seized Galicia After the Battle of Lemberg


https://youtu.be/6g4o3mILWao (https://youtu.be/6g4o3mILWao)
 
Why Did Ukraine Fail to Achieve Independence After the First World War?

7:30 From 1917 to 1920 Kiev changed hands 12 times.
7:50 "Until the end of the nineteenth century, the idea of an independent state had existed mainly in Shevenko's poetry and Cossack myth. With the exception of the Western Ukraine, where the landowners were mostly Poles, the mass of the peasants remained untouched by the intelligentsia's nationalism." - A People's Tragedy" A History of the Russian Revolution (Orlando Figes)
https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Tragedy-Russian-Revolution-1891-1924/dp/014024364X?asin=014024364X&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Peoples-Tragedy-Russian-Revolution-1891-1924/dp/014024364X?asin=014024364X&revisionId=&format=4&depth=1)


8:10 The peasants did not support Ukrainian nationalism because the leaders put their own interests above land reforms  so there was nothing it for the peasants.

9:00 "The urban head of the Ukrainian national movement was thus cut off from it rural body. What remained was a local peasant nationalism, focused on the idea of the autonomous village, which continued to dominate the Ukraine, making it virtually impossible to rule from cities, until the 1920s."

10:20  After 2 red invasions of Ukraine and peasant rebellions, Lenin decided to court the Ukrainian peasants by creating a USSR version of nationalism. They taught Ukrainian language in schools. 1920s Soviets introduced Ukrainian language into schools, street names, offices, Soviet documents, newspapers. Soviets used Ukrainian language to introduce pro Soviet propaganda. More students learned to read Ukrainian in 1920s then all of nineteenth century. This pulled the peasants away from the white Russians AND the Ukrainian nationalists.

11:00 Stalin ended this pro Ukrainian practice.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 18, 2023, 12:45:14 PM
I know all this history intimately...guy glosses over the pre-1917 history pretty quickly.

Ukraine sits in what was part of the Scythian people of the ancient world...was the center of the rise of the Kievan Rus...note this is Kievan Rus...not Rus of Kiev...a blend of the Norse, Eastern Slavics and likely a smattering of other ethnic strains that occupied territory comprising most of modern day Ukraine, Belarus and Northwest Russia and bits of Finland.  The state faltered, Kievan Rus settled in large numbers in the area around Moscow and other groups splintered into other points of the compass...when the Roman Byzantine Empire collapsed and the old alliances and rivalries among them and the Khazars, Persians and Arabs flung open the area to conquest...

Ukrainian territory was controlled by outsiders - Golden Horde, Crimean Khanate, Lithuania and Poland. 

After Poland got its ass kicked and it was partitioned and Russia defeated the Crimean Khanate the Russians and Hapsburgs controlled Ukraine along a roughly East/West division.  It is here the history gets personal.  Though partitioned the Poles retained a managerial influence in Western Ukraine for their Hapsburg overlords, they ran the bureaucracies - trains, city administrators and clerical positions - they were required to speak the overlord tongues and made the locals speak Polish to conduct daily business...it is why my family thought for years my grandfather was Polish, until I did the research and had things verified by a friend in Ukraine 40 years ago...he was Ruthenian, a Western branch of the Ukrainian people and most often peasants kept in their place.  Rising Ukrainian nationalism in the 19th century had its root in the discovery of Western European "Age of Enlightenment" philosophers et al.  But the common people were always kept 3rd class, and that did not change under any overlord...so little wonder grandfather got out of there after the chaos of WWI and tyranny of the Leninists.

Freedom is always easily dismissed by overlords when it is deemed by the overlords as undesirable for them for their own good because they are too stupid to govern themselves without betters doing it...it's as old as Cain and Able.

History indicates if one ethnicity has a claim to preeminent Slavic Master it's the Kievan Rus of modern Ukraine...they came to dominate the Duchy of Moscow which later would throw off its Golden Horde masters and evolve into Tsarist Russia, then Soviet Russia...and now the modern Russian Federation...the latter erasing history and asserting its Slavic Hegemony.

Might makes right after all.  And conquers make history fit their ego.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 18, 2023, 09:24:50 PM
^^^ Good post. As is often true, much is over my head.
The ethnic Ukrainians existed for a long time.
I sometimes hear that the modern state of Ukraine did not exist until a certain year.
Then again, I recall Thomas Sowell saying that Italians were not called Italians until they landed at Ellis Island and were called Italians by US immigration. They were Neapolitan/whatever before.

As I understand the videos, they do not say that Ukrainian nationalism did not exit. They say it did not exist until recently. As I recall, the 1940s had a major boost.

I heard that the USSR boosted Ukraine nationalism and clamped down on it. The videos stopped at Stalin so I remain ignorant as to what happened next.

I read many books by Thomas Sowell, including Immigration and Culture, Conquest and Culture, and Race and Culture. Maybe a foot of shelf space. I love that stuff. Sowell says races and cultures have been bumping into each other for thousands of years so maybe we should study them. One thing I learned is that imperial languages have lots of literature. English is the biggest example. Russian is a lesser example. Did you now that Korean language is close to Turkish due to migration?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2023, 01:50:19 PM
Italians are Latin/Romance language family, just like the French, Portuguese, Spanish etc...and post-Roman occupation by others turned Italy into a quilt of city states...the only Latin constant was the language retained by the Church of Rome.

Look at the linguistic tree and its branches and see the outliers...they make sense the further back you go...

Your Turk/Korean for example -

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-i_TI_00xnTs/Vo5fSTD8bqI/AAAAAAAAITI/x3qHHFKibaM/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Languages%2Bwatermark.png)

I find the Uralic interesting, beyond the fact that it is sometimes omitted by some...

(https://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2015/1/7/1420647015259/3628f5a3-9110-4c01-bcfc-9b4ca9c00bd5-2060x1340.jpeg)

Finnish and Hungarian, interesting.

Where we are now by sheer volume -

(https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/world-of-languages-large.png)


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 08:41:45 AM
Hard to maintain a population when you keep throwing people into wars...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/demographic-challenges-weigh-russias-military-ambitions (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/demographic-challenges-weigh-russias-military-ambitions)

...they were weak going into WWII, if not for assistance from the West they would have collapsed, perhaps an opportunity missed there to shorten the cold war while probably lengthening the current war...anyway WWII decimated their population...then stretched by Soviet Empire ambitions and keeping restive captives pacified...the meat-grinder of Afghanistan...and the little wars between it and Ukraine...

They may win this war...but the full cost could be debilitating going into an uncertain future...

Oh well, all water under the bridge, expect this one to go down to the bitter end...

Meanwhile, jello-headed corrupt puppet in Kyiv meeting one of the foreigners he is being extorted by and declaring victory is just around the corner...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/president-biden-pledges-new-military-aid-ukraine-surprise-visit-kyiv (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/president-biden-pledges-new-military-aid-ukraine-surprise-visit-kyiv)

...so everybody is still all-in!  Yay, eh?

Looks like he brought some hush money along...

(https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/u406/12-22-17%20SDC%20CASH.jpg)H/T-CTH

PS - Please keep FJB, we can send others you can keep as well!   ::praying::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2023, 10:48:01 AM
^^^
The demographic challenges have been discussed and are interesting; for many countries.
Years ago I read how weak the EU countries' militaries were. Many had turned into social welfare organizations.
The Ukraine army was maybe the strongest in Europe.
Under Ursula as defense minister, the German army degraded. I heard they had to use broom sticks for rifles in some drills. I later heard that these were just used as fake guns on tanks. Doolittle used those as fake guns on his planes to save weight.

US military cannot meet recruiting goals for various reasons.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2023, 11:09:48 AM

Heard some quotes from Chris Hedges
"Out of control militarism is a disease of late stage imperialism."

"The tyranny Greece imposed on others it finally imposed on itself."
https://youtu.be/LS23-0LJbTE
Anti-War Activists Infighting Reaches Boiling Point - Chris Hedges Weighs In
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 11:24:42 AM
^^^
The demographic challenges have been discussed and are interesting; for many countries.
Years ago I read how weak the EU countries' militaries were. Many had turned into social welfare organizations.
The Ukraine army was maybe the strongest in Europe.
Under Ursula as defense minister, the German army degraded. I heard they had to use broom sticks for rifles in some drills. I later heard that these were just used as fake guns on tanks. Doolittle used those as fake guns on his planes to save weight.

US military cannot meet recruiting goals for various reasons.

Well, Patton had fake everything in England when he was in Eisenhower's doghouse...

And that recruiting thing was solved with waiving the HS diploma/GED requirement...

From the few, the proud...to the many, the common...the stupid...the gender confused...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 11:26:24 AM

Heard some quotes from Chris Hedges
"Out of control militarism is a disease of late stage imperialism."

"The tyranny Greece imposed on others it finally imposed on itself."
https://youtu.be/LS23-0LJbTE
Anti-War Activists Infighting Reaches Boiling Point - Chris Hedges Weighs In

Well yumpin' yimminy!  If that's the case the Chi-Com's are in a sh*tload of trouble!

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 11:29:42 AM
Oh...and speaking of dangerous clowns...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/127/815/583/original/f58e5c4b68197f23.png)H/T-WRSA@GAB

 ::rolllaughing::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2023, 12:08:35 PM
Seems to have a bromance with Putin and Russia...but if the info is correct...larger campaigns seem in the offing...

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-update-218-major-war-confirmed

Point #13 has always been true...Putin loves his timing...

As for Wagner spotted in the far corner of Belarus...well...more fronts equal more likely this thing goes really hot and NATO enters directly...

Everybody seems to be on the same page...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2023, 01:41:43 PM
^^^
The demographic challenges have been discussed and are interesting; for many countries.
Years ago I read how weak the EU countries' militaries were. Many had turned into social welfare organizations.
The Ukraine army was maybe the strongest in Europe.
Under Ursula as defense minister, the German army degraded. I heard they had to use broom sticks for rifles in some drills. I later heard that these were just used as fake guns on tanks. Doolittle used those as fake guns on his planes to save weight.

US military cannot meet recruiting goals for various reasons.

Well, Patton had fake everything in England when he was in Eisenhower's doghouse...

And that recruiting thing was solved with waiving the HS diploma/GED requirement...

From the few, the proud...to the many, the common...the stupid...the gender confused...

Yeah. The armed forces advertising used to be pretty good. Appealed to macho young men.
Now? They'll pay for your sex change and use your preferred pronouns.

The fake army in WWII later crossed the channel and continued. They would plug holes in lines with loudspeaker trucks playing tank noises etc. Also generated lots of radio traffic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2023, 09:37:12 AM
https://resistthemainstream.com/cnn-reporter-alex-marquardt-says-no-air-sirens-or-explosions-went-off-in-kyiv-until-biden-showed-up/ (https://resistthemainstream.com/cnn-reporter-alex-marquardt-says-no-air-sirens-or-explosions-went-off-in-kyiv-until-biden-showed-up/)

Ha!  Ginned-up drama!  Just like astro-turfed DemoCOmie/Cuck townhall's and vote-flipping "elections"!

And I figured FJB had to have gone in by ground from Poland...SpecOpsMonkey saw no evidence indicating air, which would be insane given Rus shoot everything down with wings or rotors...turns out to be by train...and they told Russia ahead of time he's going in...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/20/annnnd-action-traveling-by-train-joe-biden-makes-surprise-visit-to-kyiv-ukraine/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/20/annnnd-action-traveling-by-train-joe-biden-makes-surprise-visit-to-kyiv-ukraine/)

I half wonder if the DeepState was hoping for a two-fer with this stunt...

Whatever...

Shows ones priorities yet again...war in Ukraine good, America?  Screw the people...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/127/809/766/original/574a3a2fb9569ff0.jpg)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/127/821/022/original/9a584f0c41bdee09.jpeg)H/T's-WRSA@GAB

And...

https://postlmg.cc/dDc4JQp9 (https://postlmg.cc/dDc4JQp9)

Sure.  At first I thought it was a spare FJB too...

No Secret Service...looks like just Uke's...again, DeepState still looking for a two-fer?

But, everybody is ramping up their angst...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-top-diplomat-visits-russia-zelensky-warns-military-alliance-would-spark-ww3 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinas-top-diplomat-visits-russia-zelensky-warns-military-alliance-would-spark-ww3)

Putin lashing out...

https://yournews.com/2023/02/21/2519224/putin-accuses-west-of-stoking-global-war-to-destroy-russia/ (https://yournews.com/2023/02/21/2519224/putin-accuses-west-of-stoking-global-war-to-destroy-russia/)

Suspends, or re-suspends...START...

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/02/21/Putin-state-nation-Ukraine-Western-START/9411676980887/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2023/02/21/Putin-state-nation-Ukraine-Western-START/9411676980887/)

Puts strategic missile forces on "combat alert"...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-suspends-new-start-nuclear-treaty-puts-new-missiles-combat-readiness (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-suspends-new-start-nuclear-treaty-puts-new-missiles-combat-readiness)

Yup, everybody is all-in, nobody interested in backing down and certainly nobody wants to talk except to their own respective captives...

The transition from winter to spring campaigns looks to be quite spicey...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2023, 12:34:59 PM
Translation right from the Kremlin...

http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70565 (http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/70565)

You have to admire the consistency of the Russian ego and the eons of programming behind it...and the bold throwing of rocks from glass houses...

"our historical lands" - without mentioning who wrote that history...

"to eliminate the threat coming from the neo-Nazi regime" - using your own Wagner Group fascisti...

"we were doing everything in our power to solve this problem by peaceful means" - by brilliantly refusing to talk peace directly with Trump and instead get to deal with a DeepState puppet instead...

"We are not at war with the people of Ukraine" - and the blame is upon the Western Devil's...but yet we Westerner's held captive by these same Devil's deserve no sympathy...hardly seems fair or consistent...later on he says of us captives "these are their problems"...blaming us for the sins of our tormentors...again, asshole, you had a chance to make peace directly with Trump, you failed...IMO this failure and its consequences are "your problems"...

"Look what they are doing to their own people. It is all about the destruction of the family, of cultural and national identity, perversion and abuse of children, including pedophilia, all of which are declared normal in their life. They are forcing the priests to bless same-sex marriages." - exploiting the low-hanging fruit of DemoCommie cultural Marxism...this is for domestic Russian consumption as well as the "they are out to get us" messages...it must be getting to be a harder sell to convince Russian men to go off to war against the Western Devil's and Ukrainian Nazi's...having to invoke both is classic Soviet era exploitation...I am struck how many phrases could literally have come from Marshall Stalin, Nikita Kruschev or Andrei Gromyko...

"the inseparable link between one’s own destiny and the destiny of the Fatherland" - oh oh...that sounds ominous...but, uhh, aren't you authoring this destiny?

"referendums" - IIRC referendums are what the Nazis used to bestow more power to Adolph Hitler, a referendum drove Brexit and is now being betrayed from within, at the collapse of the Soviet Union we saw Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia and Ukraine all pass referendums of independence...were these referendums in Eastern Ukraine similar to the elections that brought Eastern Europe into the Communist Empire after WWII or like one of the preceding ones mentioned?  IIRC it seemed the voting in these territories once belonging to Ukraine were very selective...like the Nazi referendums of the 1930's...

"strengthened their ties with responsible, predictable partners" - yes, Communist China, Mahdi Death Cultists in Iran, Socialists in Venezuela, Brazil and South Africa, Communist Cuba, the House of Saud, the Syrian dictatorship...all very predictable...reliable seems a stretch...very dependent upon your definition of "dependable"...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/127/931/818/original/0b71140c08b4352c.jpg)

True.  But it doesn't mean everything this guy says or does is right.

Just like crap coming out of toilets like this is not what we citizens think...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/victoria-nuland-clarifies-us-supports-ukrainian-attacks-crimea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/victoria-nuland-clarifies-us-supports-ukrainian-attacks-crimea)

But, I know I ask a lot of people...


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2023, 08:46:22 AM
Seems another jurnolista wants to see someone fail...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cracks-italys-right-wing-coalition-grow-after-berlusconi-blats-meloni-meeting-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cracks-italys-right-wing-coalition-grow-after-berlusconi-blats-meloni-meeting-zelensky)

Appears overblown hope to me...

As for "bunga-bunga" Berlusconi...his plan for peace has zero chance with rabid Brussels and even less with the illegitimate puppet regime in America...

I see no break in the Italian coalition, unless "bunga-bunga" wants to push one.

While the jello-headed puppet was stumbling through Kyiv...Putin played with Satan...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-believes-russia-conducted-satan-2-icbm-test-while-biden-was-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-believes-russia-conducted-satan-2-icbm-test-while-biden-was-ukraine)

...makes sense, really really suspend START...launch a Satan...

In other news...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/twitchy-business-joe-biden-meets-with-moldovan-president-maia-sandu/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/twitchy-business-joe-biden-meets-with-moldovan-president-maia-sandu/)

Whatever.  Just don't ask how "pro-Russian" citizens always reside in the East even in a nation not contiguous except under a democrat party's Gerrymandered district kind of way...cause that is just not appropriate to bring up.  Nothing matters, except that everybody agrees the war goes on!

ETA -

The Kremlin praised Wang's stance in response, with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov welcoming "China's balanced position on the Ukraine issue." He further declared that "ours and China's vision is much the same" concerning the crisis.

However, it will be interesting to see if any further specifics on Ukraine emerged from the China side. So far, Wang appears to be advancing the official party line which has been somewhat ambiguous, also while in Moscow saying that China will maintain its "objective and impartial stance" on the Ukraine crisis. Toward this end, he said that China "appreciates Russia's willingness to resolve the crisis through negotiations," according to TASS.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-says-ready-join-forces-russia-defend-national-interests-putin-confirms-xi-visit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-says-ready-join-forces-russia-defend-national-interests-putin-confirms-xi-visit)

 ::hysterical::

In what batshyt-crazy world is can China's position both "balanced" and "much the same" as Russia's?  Der?!  Makes the likewise "objective and impartial" crap highly suspect as well...and since when is anybody on any side of this crap willing to negotiate in good faith?

It's NOT just American despots who think people are stupid as spit!

Back to regular programming...

And in an epitaph for a post-apocalyptic world I would offer the failure of Putin to pursue an agreement with Trump...

[Transcript] – World War III has never been closer than it is right now. We need to clean house of all of the warmongers and America-Last globalists in the Deep State, the Pentagon, the State Department, and the national security industrial complex.

One of the reasons I was the only president in generations who didn’t start a war is that I was the only president who rejected the catastrophic advice of many of Washington’s Generals, bureaucrats, and the so-called diplomats who only know how to get us into conflict, but they don’t know how to get us out.

For decades, we’ve had the very same people, such as Victoria Nuland and many others just like her, obsessed with pushing Ukraine toward NATO, not to mention the State Department’s support for uprisings in Ukraine. These people have been seeking confrontation for a long time, much like the case in Iraq and other parts of the world, and now, we’re teetering on the brink of World War III. And a lot of people don’t see it, but I see it, and I’ve been right about a lot of things. They all say, “Trump’s been right about everything.”

None of this excuses in any way the outrageous and horrible invasion of Ukraine one year ago, which would have NEVER happened if I was your president—not even a little chance. But it does mean that here in America, we need to get rid of the corrupt globalist establishment that has botched every major foreign policy decision for decades, and that includes President Biden, whose own people said he’s never made a good decision when it comes to looking at other countries and looking at wars. We have to replace them with people who support American interests.

Over our 4 years in the White House, we made incredible progress in putting the America-Last contingent aside and bringing the world to peace—and now, we’re going to complete the mission. The State Department, Pentagon, and National Security Establishment will be a very different place by the end of my administration. In fact, just into my administration it’ll be a very different place, and it’ll get things done just like I did four years ago. We never had it so good. We’ll also stop the lobbyists and the big defense contractors from going in and pushing our senior military and national security officials toward conflict, only to reward them when they retire with lucrative jobs—getting paid millions and millions of dollars.

Take a look at the globalist warmonger donors backing our opponents. That’s because they’re candidates of war. I am the President who delivers peace, and it’s peace through strength. There was a reason we had no conflict, there was a reason we didn’t get into wars, because other countries respected us. I entirely built all right from the beginning—rebuilt our military. It’s a big reason for that. They didn’t want to mess around with the United States, and now they’re laughing at us. We could end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours with the right leadership. At the end of my next four years, the warmongers, and frauds, and failures in the senior ranks of our government will all be gone, and we will have a new group of competent national security officials who believe in defending America’s vital interests above all else.

Thank you very much.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/president-trump-warns-america-that-joe-biden-the-state-dept-and-nato-are-putting-us-on-the-brink-of-world-war-iii/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/president-trump-warns-america-that-joe-biden-the-state-dept-and-nato-are-putting-us-on-the-brink-of-world-war-iii/)

Oh well...

The warmongers the world over will not be deterred...and all will suffer...

Chairman Xi Plans Moscow Visit, Putin Suspends START Treaty, Maersk Exits Russia, Biden Talks Moldova, Planets Aligning for War (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/02/21/chairman-xi-plans-moscow-visit-putin-suspends-salt-treaty-maersk-exits-russia-biden-talks-moldova-planets-aligning-for-war/)

War Pigs of the world are united in their inflexibility and determination...

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/18/article-2295082-18BFD6BD000005DC-96_634x547.jpg)

...initiated by The Dark One...and everyone is set to follow him into Hell.

Bad people, bad decisions...bad outcomes.

(https://www.gif-maniac.com/gifs/54/54255.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2023, 10:09:34 AM
(https://static-assets-1.truthsocial.com/tmtg:prime-ts-assets/media_attachments/files/109/898/502/423/341/097/original/8482d93015f4ab74.jpg)

We do not even know if this is the real puppet or a decoy puppet...

SpecOpsMonkey had in his update yesterday photos of Biden at various venues...he's either a fricken chameleon who can alter his look (maybe a Lizard People, would explain his sniffing licking and sucking...or he's just a perv & pedo) or there are doubles out there...the only "real" one has to be the word-salad spewing jello-head...

Anyway...Monkey continues to see nothing but buildups and hardening positions on all sides and I see the same...

Fools are all marching towards oblivion and think it is right and survivable...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=875,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/128/426/381/original/9d9b2364f43e55e6.jpg)

They do...but only if all the shot-callers are batshyt-insane...MAD is dead, replaced by TSWCWA (They Suck, We Can Win Armageddon)...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2023, 12:14:45 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/leo-hohmann-worlds-superpowers-threw-their-cards-on-the-table-this-week-and-every-one-of-them-came-up-in-favor-of-wwiii/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/leo-hohmann-worlds-superpowers-threw-their-cards-on-the-table-this-week-and-every-one-of-them-came-up-in-favor-of-wwiii/)

Very TSWCWA confirming.

 ::popcorn::

(https://www.gif-maniac.com/gifs/54/54255.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2023, 08:44:32 AM
Panda Proposal with a think Bear accent...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-cold-shoulders-chinas-ceasefire-proposal-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-cold-shoulders-chinas-ceasefire-proposal-ukraine)

I'm shocked!

/

ETA - https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/biden-official-clears-ukraine-of-misusing-u-s-financial-aid/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/biden-official-clears-ukraine-of-misusing-u-s-financial-aid/)

Yes, the word of a rat-bastard lying DeepState POS...zero evidence...

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/biden-official-clears-ukraine-of-misusing-u-s-financial-aid/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/24/biden-official-clears-ukraine-of-misusing-u-s-financial-aid/)

...only a moron or a co-conspirator can go along with that BS!

Criminal should be rotting in dank dark cell somewhere...

Non-binding...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-joins-un-vote-calling-russia-end-military-occupation-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/israel-joins-un-vote-calling-russia-end-military-occupation-ukraine)

...but BRICS and usual suspects vote against or not at all...

...well that was fun, what other useless things can we do?  Nothing?  OK, back to the war everybody wants...


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 24, 2023, 02:21:02 PM

The US and Russia coordinated to not attack Kiev while Biden was there.
At the moment Biden and Zelensky walked into camera view the air raid sirens went off.
The CNN guy on site said that he had not heard an air raid siren in the 5 days he was there.

Some media are reporting that the brave Biden flew into Kiev. Actually he took a train from Poland. They could at least get their facts straight.

I recall when Angelina Jolie was on camera in Kiev with at least one of her kids the air raid sirens went off and the cameras captured them running to a shelter. It's show biz.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 24, 2023, 03:01:27 PM
As Sundance says - World War Reddit
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 24, 2023, 04:04:21 PM
More shoe biz. There was an alleged Russian atrocity in Bucha Ukraine. Someone with film experience noticed that the bodies were placed at intervals forcing a car to do a slalom through the dead bodies on either side of the road. Made for a good video.

Then a French reporter reported that he saw Kiev authorities staging the Bucha bodies. So Kiev put him on the kill list with a bounty for his death. So when he went to the Russian embassy in Istanbol to renew a Russian visa he was attacked by two guys with knives but lived.

Then the facts became inconvenient.There was a social media post by the mayor saying they were conducting a "cleansing operation" after the Russians pulled out. I.e. killing collaborators.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 25, 2023, 10:35:08 AM
Well, if you follow SpecOpsMonkey or sift a number of similar sites he uses to track activity...it is clear that assets have been put into place all around the greater East/West front not just in/near Ukraine and not just one side or the other...but the US and NATO nations in particular have been putting assets in place...and an indicator (beyond the first Leopards and suicide drones and LR missiles being introduced in Ukraine) of more boldness is the overflight of Ukraine airspace by an RQ-4D recon drone.  In the past year they have rarely gone further than mid Black Sea before doubling back...this latest one cruised in at 50k and did a tour over the nominally controlled Western half but still getting close enough to East and South to be in range of Russian SAM sites.  And things continue to pour into Poland.  Wars are full of conflicting stories and in this era of digital fakes, agenda-driven state-run news and sundry opportunists and profiteers getting a clean story on anything seems impossible.  What is certain is this thing is getting hotter by the day.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2023, 09:13:28 AM
How about a couple of articles to get the old blood pressure up?  OK then...

First, we have the shakedown king of kings who makes the Justice Bros and Climate Cultists look like pikers -

(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/129/133/903/original/06976e49973d4187.jpg)

The direct and implied message is, if America doesn’t continue funding the war in Ukraine, our global credibility will collapse and people around the world will start laughing at us.

Bitch, we are already being laughed at!  The Trump Coup, second round of stolen elections, wide open border, promoting perversion, censorship & propaganda...I know by third world standards this may seem run of the mill, but seriously...we have enough on our plate with our own assholes destroying us, our culture, our economy...our liberty and future!  We don't want or need any of your sh*t!

And this, more Whitehead blah blah blah, yadda yadda yadda...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dictators-bent-building-military-empires-cost-nations-endless-wars (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dictators-bent-building-military-empires-cost-nations-endless-wars)

...and this crap - As long as America’s politicians continue to involve us in wars that bankrupt the nation, jeopardize our servicemen and women, increase the chances of terrorism and blowback domestically, and push the nation that much closer to eventual collapse, “we the people” will find ourselves in a perpetual state of tyranny.

No sh*t, Sherlock!  It made no sense whatsoever until the 500,000th time you said it.  OK, backing off, I too am guilty of this, we all are.  Without serious help deep inside the belly of the beasts...the beasts win.  They are willing to risk a global thermonuclear war to protect their lies, protect their money-laundering schemes, to protect their bio-labs and using Ukrainians as their lab rats...to protect their positions of power.  Sure, they are all committing outright treason, daily...perhaps each minute of every day...and they are all still standing unmolested.

So sick and disturbing...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2023, 09:09:25 AM
Anti-Lukashenko partisans take out A-50 near Minsk...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-russian-plane-destroyed-belarus-airstrip-say-opposition-saboteurs (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/large-russian-plane-destroyed-belarus-airstrip-say-opposition-saboteurs)

Russia cuts off Poland on anniversary of invasion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-halts-pipeline-flows-poland-while-shifting-crude-germany (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-halts-pipeline-flows-poland-while-shifting-crude-germany)

And the most self-negating article of the day goes to Joe Lauria...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-leaders-privately-admit-ukraine-cant-win-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-leaders-privately-admit-ukraine-cant-win-war)

Russia is in what Czar Vlad declares is an existential battle for survival of Russia and its people...everybody is saying Russia is not going to tolerate a militarized Ukraine linked with or part of NATO, ever...the Russians bandy about talk of going nuclear even in response to a conventional attack...are they lying?  For the West does anybody think these maniacs who sunk billions into Ukraine, have benefitted itself via corruption with them, have benefitted designing bio-weapons with them, have depleted ammunitions stores for them and keep adding new NATO members is just going to throw up arms in exasperation and walk away in humiliating defeat?  Well, sure but only under FJB and the Afghanistan debacle...I don't see the combined West agreeing to that. 

At best there will be a partition with or without agreements on paper...and a struggle that will always be there and shots at each other that will always take place and useless finger-pointing that will continue until crap explodes again or something happens on another East/West front.

Besides, don't forget China...China will be selling weapons to its Russian ally...and they need this front active to draw some resources away from its unquenchable lusts back East.

I guess folks like Joe think a big push by Russia will destroy Ukraine and the West will run away.  Anybody thinking that is likely please drop me a note to discuss wager terms.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2023, 01:13:36 PM

Has this on in background. Some inside details on early positions of Zelensky from pro peace to pro war and why he shifted. This includes some sources I had not heard before including discouragement from US envoy to Zelensky who still wanted to avoid war.
https://youtu.be/sKotuZ-OvcI

 Zelensky Threatened w/ DEATH If He Negotiated With Russia!
The Jimmy Dore Show
Something all the propagandized Americans demanding continued war in Ukraine might not know about their war hero, Volodymyr Zelensky, is that he was swept into office on the promise that he’d make peace in the Donbas. Except his American benefactors didn’t want to negotiate with Russia, nor did the neo-Nazi extremists doing the bulk of the fighting in Eastern Ukraine – in fact they told Zelensky he’d be signing his death warrant if he talked to Putin – so the only outcome was war and now that’s what we’ve got in Ukraine with no end in sight.

Misc stuff I hear, true or not.
Average Ukr arrival life expectancy in Bakmut is 4 hours.
Ground is covered with corpses in that area. Wagner trying to remove them in their controlled areas ahead of a spring thaw.
US had tried to get Kiev to not keep feeding bodies into Bakhmut but Kiev does not want to lose territory for PR for money raising purposes. Russia does not much mind their slow progress and their main goals are to not lose troops and demilitarize Ukraine i.e. chew up their troops.
Most of the Ukr bodies are from western Ukraine.
I heard more than one Kiev soldier complain that 80% of the locals want the Russians to win and rat out the Kiev troops.
My impression in the fighting in the east is that the people fighting the Russians are not from that area. That is what the many citizens interviewed in Mariupol said. They were invaded first by Azov then the Russians/DPR came.

Interesting thoughtful conversation between Alex Christoforou from Cyprus and Anna from Poland now in Russia. Alex was a diplomat's son and grew up in US, Mexico, and Moscow. Alex's impression of the USSR was different from the US propaganda version as he lived there.

https://youtu.be/BsggKAFr3nw
 ALL ABOUT RUSSIA WITH ALEX CHRISTOFOROU FROM @TheDuran
Through the eyes of







Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2023, 03:14:37 PM

Random thoughts
The US and EU govts did not think this through. The US govt seized Russian sovereign wealth funds and banned Russia from SWIFT over the screaming objections of the fed. What is the legal basis?  EU and some other countries are seizing money from 'Russian oligarchs.' What is the legal basis? Being Russian and rich? The US is the biggest site for hiding assets. So what happens next? How do the rich and scummy around the world react? Who is the next 'bad guy' to have his wealth seized with no legal basis.

I shed no tears for oligarchs or narco lords but their should be some legal basis. How much money will the rich pull out of the US?

The rest of the world saw Russia survive SWIFT disconnection etc. They are joining BRICS, signing non-dollar trade agreements, even the Saudis are talking about getting out of the petrodollar arrangement. I get the feeling there is  a major world wide inflection point as the rest of the world grows a spine. The US threatens and finger wags. Russia and China just want to deal.

Some say that the govt change in Taiwan was caused by Ukraine. People in Taiwan do not want to be the next Ukraine. They do not want to be 'saved' by the US and end up a giant cinder. The US took actions guaranteed to end in the destruction of Ukraine but that is OK as long as the US can blame Putin.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2023, 01:31:06 PM
Heard the threats on Z before, heard disagrements in Kremlin too but then they vaporize...could be disinfo campaign...who knows?  By time we know it's too late.

Targeted sanctions, fine, whatever...doing stuff to hurt your citizens...stupid as can be...just shows how insane people are...

Shows there are no exits but bad exits from this pooh!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2023, 12:36:17 PM
Laptop croaked so using pad, sucks, makes typing & linking hard/impossible...

Anyway, read article on WZ sourced out of Jerusalem Post that Vlad is recruiting Pali's in Lebanon to fight for them in Ukraine for $350 bonus and there was a pic of these Hitler fan boys doing Nazi salutes as they go off to fight Ukrainian Nazis!

 ::laughonfloor::

Can't make this sh*t up!

Vlad sure can get a deal on merc fodder!  Lot cheaper than Wagner Group fascists and even own draftees.

What a fun war...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 04, 2023, 01:05:45 PM

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/russia-programs/2017-12-12/nato-expansion-what-gorbachev-heard-western-leaders-early

NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard
Michail Gorbachev discussing German unification with Hans-Dietrich Genscher and Helmut Kohl in Russia, July 15, 1990. Photo: Bundesbildstelle / Presseund Informationsamt der Bundesregierung.

Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner

Slavic Studies Panel Addresses “Who Promised What to Whom on NATO Expansion?”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2023, 08:10:09 AM
Verbal  ::laughonfloor::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2023, 02:18:44 PM

Apparently several western participants wrote down this stuff in their notes. Some later published or released.
So no official treaty but written down at the time. Maybe Baker published this stuff in a book?
I think some UK source recently released written UK notes from the meetings.
I heard that during the Cuban crisis the US made two oral promises that were kept.
Not sure if this is true.
1. Will not invade Cuba.
2. Will remove missiles from Turkey.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2023, 06:50:56 PM

Had youtube on
EU is buying lots of Russian oil, laundered through middle men and shadow fleets of tankers. Also from Russia through India. Russia supplied 40% of the worlds Uranium for nuke power.

Some people were dumb enough to stay behind when the Russians left Kherson. Voting in the referendum is collaboration says Kiev. Also they are not entitled to due process said Kiev.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/1653
SBU continues to "purge" the population of the Kherson region

The SBU suspects three more residents of the Kherson region of organizing and holding a referendum on the region's entry into Russia.

They were detained and now for "collaborative activities" they face up to 10 years in prison with confiscation of property, they reported  (https://t.me/SBUkr/7371)in the SBU telegram channel.

"The security service exposed three more enemy henchmen during stabilization measures in the liberated areas of the Kherson region," the report says.

@ukr_leaks_eng

China made some sort of peace proposal. Instead of at least pretending to consider it the US 'diplomats' slammed the door in their face. Ever hear of saving face in Asian cultures? Geez.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2023, 02:18:34 PM

Apparently several western participants wrote down this stuff in their notes. Some later published or released.
So no official treaty but written down at the time. Maybe Baker published this stuff in a book?
I think some UK source recently released written UK notes from the meetings.
I heard that during the Cuban crisis the US made two oral promises that were kept.
Not sure if this is true.
1. Will not invade Cuba.
2. Will remove missiles from Turkey.

That was JFK, not LBJ...not Uncle Jimmuh, not Slick Willie, not Read My Lips...certainly not The Kenyan or FJB...

DJT never backtracked on his word, for that matter not even Nixon either...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2023, 02:21:46 PM

Had youtube on
EU is buying lots of Russian oil, laundered through middle men and shadow fleets of tankers. Also from Russia through India. Russia supplied 40% of the worlds Uranium for nuke power.

Some people were dumb enough to stay behind when the Russians left Kherson. Voting in the referendum is collaboration says Kiev. Also they are not entitled to due process said Kiev.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/1653
SBU continues to "purge" the population of the Kherson region

The SBU suspects three more residents of the Kherson region of organizing and holding a referendum on the region's entry into Russia.

They were detained and now for "collaborative activities" they face up to 10 years in prison with confiscation of property, they reported  (https://t.me/SBUkr/7371)in the SBU telegram channel.

"The security service exposed three more enemy henchmen during stabilization measures in the liberated areas of the Kherson region," the report says.

@ukr_leaks_eng

China made some sort of peace proposal. Instead of at least pretending to consider it the US 'diplomats' slammed the door in their face. Ever hear of saving face in Asian cultures? Geez.

I commented on that...it was Russia's words in Mandarin...big shock...

If they were serious...like I said eons ago...interested parties could schedule a summitt, people show up or they don't...everything else is kabuki...

Once there someone can try kabuki, but proof is in the pudding...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2023, 11:11:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-vast-expanse-us-military-hardware-positioned-polish-port (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-vast-expanse-us-military-hardware-positioned-polish-port)

Russia builds up in Belarus...looks like Poland is NATO's favorite...

More verbal crap not worth its weight in scat...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germanys-scholz-signals-assurances-china-wont-arm-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germanys-scholz-signals-assurances-china-wont-arm-russia)

Bad Panda lies!

Bad Panda full of hot air...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-threatens-us-conflict-and-confrontation-xi-issues-unusually-blunt-rebuke-us-policy (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/china-threatens-us-conflict-and-confrontation-xi-issues-unusually-blunt-rebuke-us-policy)

...they lust for conflict just like everybody else's dumbass government!

All signs point to mutual annihilation.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2023, 03:49:54 PM
Quote
"We all agree that there should be no arms deliveries, and the Chinese government has declared that it will not deliver any either," Scholz said at a press conference with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, according to POLITICO. "We insist on this, and we are monitoring it."

I don't recall hearing China say that. They "insist" and  will "monitor" it? Chinese get real touchy about other countries telling them what to do.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2023, 03:54:09 PM
Alex Christoforou said he knows who blew up the NS pipelines. Two guys with Trump hats who said "This is MAGA country" then blew up the pipelines.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2023, 04:29:13 PM
Quote
"We all agree that there should be no arms deliveries, and the Chinese government has declared that it will not deliver any either," Scholz said at a press conference with European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, according to POLITICO. "We insist on this, and we are monitoring it."

I don't recall hearing China say that. They "insist" and  will "monitor" it? Chinese get real touchy about other countries telling them what to do.

Sure, most don't, but all do it.  Bad Panda says US better not do this that and the other thing all the time...

Clown World
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2023, 04:30:11 PM
Alex Christoforou said he knows who blew up the NS pipelines. Two guys with Trump hats who said "This is MAGA country" then blew up the pipelines.

Funny.

Sadly, there are mouth-breathing imbeciles and propagandists and statists ready and willing to run with that BS...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2023, 05:35:30 PM

Georgia (the country) is to pass a law requiring any NGO getting more than 20% of its funding for foreign sources to declare it and register as a foreign agent. Soros, YS, and others are butt hurt because that is how they subvert c countries.


https://t.me/heilukraine1959/3891

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633227342305955842
🇪🇺 EU diplomat chief Borrell urged Georgia to uphold its commitment to democracy, the rule of law and human rights. According to him, the draft law on foreign agents is incompatible with the values of the EU and contradicts Georgia's goal of joining the union.

- But banning Russian media and sanctioning its citizens is absolutely ok in Europe, right?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2023, 06:40:58 PM
Expanded version
Georgia (the country) is to pass a law requiring any NGO getting more than 20% of its funding from foreign sources to declare it and register as a foreign agent. Soros, US, and others are butt hurt because that is how they subvert  countries.


https://t.me/heilukraine1959/3891

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633192784550133768

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633227342305955842
🇪🇺 EU diplomat chief Borrell urged Georgia to uphold its commitment to democracy, the rule of law and human rights. According to him, the draft law on foreign agents is incompatible with the values of the EU and contradicts Georgia's goal of joining the union.

- But banning Russian media and sanctioning its citizens is absolutely ok in Europe, right?

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633193117305262084
"Those responsible for cracking down on protests in Georgia could be subject to US sanctions. We have a range of tools to hold anyone in any country accountable for interfering with what is a universal human right."

-- State Department spokesman Ned Price

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633192479364116480
Georgia is about to have its own Maidan. Thanks USA, you are about to try to destroy another sovereign nation.

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633192784550133768
"The US does not exclude the possibility of imposing sanctions against representatives of the Georgian authorities due to the situation around the law on foreign agents"
-- State Department

https://twitter.com/PeImeniPusha/status/1633202550731055104
The President of Georgia, who is currently in the US, has promised to veto the law against foreign agents. This law has passed with overwhelming majority, DEMOCRATICALLY, 76 votes for, 13 against. But this is not democratic enough for the US and its puppet.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2023, 06:37:31 AM


Brian reports on the Georgia bill and US activities.
https://youtu.be/csSeU30VpgQ
Georgia Protests: US Seeks to Open 2nd Front Against Russia
- Protests in Georgia consist of US-backed opposition groups (literally waving US and EU flags) attempting to block a bill to increase transparency behind political groups to reduce foreign interference;

- The US has already once overthrown Georgia’s government in 2003, according to the London Guardian;

- By 2008 after flooding Georgia with weapons and training its military, Georgia attacked Russia, according to a EU investigation;

- The US seeks to stir up trouble in Georgia again to “extend” Russia as explained in detail by the RAND Corporation’s 2019 paper, “Extending Russia;”

- The US has pressured other nations attempting to pass bills to protect against foreign interference including recently Thailand;
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 09, 2023, 08:34:53 AM
I guess the DeepState gives a piss about yet another sh*thole...I don't give a piss who controls it...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2023, 09:21:56 AM

Garland Nixon went into the Blinken written book Ally vs Ally he wrote years ago.
In short, Eu wants USSR oil via pipeline. US does not want either USSR or Eu tg get more powerful and the US does not care about either one and will make up stories to justify opposing the pipeline.

I never read up on intentional relations.
Apparently US policy is to weaken other major powers often by punishing their allies. Any country that gets too friendly gets punished. This was known to everyone but me apparently.
One modern way is to fund NGO through US govt with nice names like the National Endowment for Democracy who do things the CIA used to do. That is why the US opposes the draft Georgian law about foreign funded NGOs.

The demonstrations in other countries require money and organization often provided by the US through NGOs. The Ukr Maidan protests lasted a long time and sucked up lots of US cash.
Brian Berletec goes into how the US funded NGOs operate in Thailand to subvert the govt which is reported as pro democracy. You can say this is good or bad but I did not know it happened.


Fast paced history special on US backed coups, or some of them.
He buys into Russiagate toward the end. Otherwise good.
What is interesting is the pattern which continues. The narrative for these regime change operations is almost always false and not the real reason. Now the US is messing around in Georgia, again the people there will suffer.
https://youtu.be/_wIOqHSsV9c





Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 09, 2023, 10:46:29 AM
We're suffering from tyranny persecution and oppression here...the frack I care about Georgia?
Everybody has to deal with their own shizzle first and foremost...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2023, 02:57:14 PM
We're suffering from tyranny persecution and oppression here...the frack I care about Georgia?
Everybody has to deal with their own shizzle first and foremost...

I just never figured out how things worked before and Georgia is just a very recent example.
When I see a headline about some "pro democracy" demonstration  somewhere I never give them much thought.
They might very well be US backed and paid for opposition groups intended to accomplish regime change or degrade some country we do not like. US pumped $5B into Ukraine for regime change years ago.

The Georgia protests are almost certainly paid for by US in order to cause problems for Russia. US armed and trained Georgian forces years ago and egged them on to attack some ethnic Russian enclave. Russia responded and it ended poorly for the Georgians. US proxies often get harmed.

The Georgians are protesting a law similar to US FARA laws. Some people want to know who is funding organizations inside Georgia. Some people want to hide that. Is American University in Georgia funded by US govt? US rightfully objects to foreign interference in US politics and rightfully booted the Confucius institutes.

Some US coups long ago were dressed up as pro democracy. BTW I am not saying all such coups are bad. Hawaii ended up well for the US. Also Guam? BUT .... some can blow back, like Iran and Nicaragua.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2023, 05:12:13 PM
After the ridiculous NYT story of how some Ukrainian partisans rented a Polish yacht and blew up the NS pipeline, Alex Christofrou has a new theory on who blew it up. Gilligan, the skipper, the millionaire and his wife, the movie star, and Mary Anne.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2023, 08:44:47 AM
We're suffering from tyranny persecution and oppression here...the frack I care about Georgia?
Everybody has to deal with their own shizzle first and foremost...

I just never figured out how things worked before and Georgia is just a very recent example.
When I see a headline about some "pro democracy" demonstration  somewhere I never give them much thought.
They might very well be US backed and paid for opposition groups intended to accomplish regime change or degrade some country we do not like. US pumped $5B into Ukraine for regime change years ago.

The Georgia protests are almost certainly paid for by US in order to cause problems for Russia. US armed and trained Georgian forces years ago and egged them on to attack some ethnic Russian enclave. Russia responded and it ended poorly for the Georgians. US proxies often get harmed.

The Georgians are protesting a law similar to US FARA laws. Some people want to know who is funding organizations inside Georgia. Some people want to hide that. Is American University in Georgia funded by US govt? US rightfully objects to foreign interference in US politics and rightfully booted the Confucius institutes.

Some US coups long ago were dressed up as pro democracy. BTW I am not saying all such coups are bad. Hawaii ended up well for the US. Also Guam? BUT .... some can blow back, like Iran and Nicaragua.

IMO both of those suffered from incompetence and a lack of commitment.  It is undeniable that both would have been better off without their radical cult/Marxist tyrannies.  There were instances where both could have easily been flipped.  And for Russia, many of their Marxist states survive as socialist dictatorships to this day in Africa, I am unconvinced that is a positive thing.  Ask white South Africans and Zimbabweans for example.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2023, 08:45:48 AM
After the ridiculous NYT story of how some Ukrainian partisans rented a Polish yacht and blew up the NS pipeline, Alex Christofrou has a new theory on who blew it up. Gilligan, the skipper, the millionaire and his wife, the movie star, and Mary Anne.

Back in the day...I would do whatever Mary Anne wanted to be done.   :D

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq0vwXxX0Acwped.jpg)
H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2023, 08:48:30 AM
See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-day-our-luck-will-run-out-another-near-miss-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-day-our-luck-will-run-out-another-near-miss-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant)

IMO it is a matter of when not if a radioactive disaster happens there.

Since Russia controls it...will they be accountable or is the plan to blame Western Devils no matter what?  I think I know the answer to this already...

ETA - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/six-hypersonic-missiles-were-used-latest-russian-attack-ukraine-confirms (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/six-hypersonic-missiles-were-used-latest-russian-attack-ukraine-confirms)

Doesn't look all that fast to me.

Also looks like footage I posted a long time ago.

I call propaganda!

PS - This is what "fast" looks like - https://twitter.com/i/status/1633513176217133071 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1633513176217133071)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2023, 04:40:58 PM
See this?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-day-our-luck-will-run-out-another-near-miss-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/one-day-our-luck-will-run-out-another-near-miss-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant)

IMO it is a matter of when not if a radioactive disaster happens there.

Since Russia controls it...will they be accountable or is the plan to blame Western Devils no matter what?  I think I know the answer to this already...

ETA - https://www.zerohedge.com/military/six-hypersonic-missiles-were-used-latest-russian-attack-ukraine-confirms (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/six-hypersonic-missiles-were-used-latest-russian-attack-ukraine-confirms)

Doesn't look all that fast to me.

Also looks like footage I posted a long time ago.

I call propaganda!

PS - This is what "fast" looks like - https://twitter.com/i/status/1633513176217133071 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1633513176217133071)

I read the article. So what happened? What caused this? Very crappy reporting.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2023, 05:19:58 PM

From imperfect memory.
There is a region in northern Georgia full of ethnic Russians called South Ossetia, on the Russian southern border.
After some troubles of some sort there were Russian peacekeeping troops to protect the locals?  Similar to the UN peacekeepers in Kosovo to keep the Serbs from killing the Muslims.

The US Marines armed and trained the Georgian army very well according to Russian military.
The Georgian president decided it would be a good idea to attack South Ossetia and did, with tanks etc. Georgian soldiers made videos of their invasion and posted them.

Russia sent in troops from Russia and drove out the Georgian troops. The western media said Russia started it.  It did not end well for the Georgians who got rid of the president as a recall. I think he works for a neocon think tank in US.

BUT the Russians got their butts kicked by the US trained Georgians and driving them out was hard. So they revamped their military as a result, Ritter said.

Fast forward. Georgia was to pass a billing requiring foreign agent registration similar to US FARA.
IMO the demonstrators are paid by the US govt as they often do. Regardless of FARA they want regime change. Likely for a regime that will open a second front on Russia. Some were chanting the name of the town in South Ossetia, indicating they want another invasion. Since the first one and went so well and the war is doing so much good for Ukraine. /s


https://youtu.be/jptGQjcSH6w?t=754

Link to protest video
https://twitter.com/BrianJBerletic/status/1633796439993380869
Brian Berletic
@BrianJBerletic
·
Mar 9
🇬🇪🇺🇸 NEW VIDEO: Georgia Protests: US Seeks to Open 2nd Front Against Russia

??Protests in Georgia consist of US-backed opposition (literally waving US/EU flags) blocking a bill to increase transparency & reduce foreign interference;

https://youtu.be/csSeU30VpgQ
Georgia Protests: US Seeks to Open 2nd Front Against Russia

https://youtu.be/Ny3YvOKQe3c
 Georgian government withdraws controversial "foreign agents' bill after massive protests
CBS News

In the CBS clip above they compare it to some Russian law but not US FARA. The EU says it is contrary to EU values??????? This law would have exposed foreign funding of organizations. This is drivel.

On a lighter note, I love this music video featuring the Georgian Ballet. The video is from two other movies, mixed and synced to the song Rasputin. Pretty girls.
https://youtu.be/FS-siemT6eQ
Boney M - Rasputin 2017 Blue Remix
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2023, 11:27:00 AM
As things get hotter...STS targets will become too tempting to avoid...

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-uses-ship-ship-transfers-boost-diesel-exports-saudi-arabia (https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/russia-uses-ship-ship-transfers-boost-diesel-exports-saudi-arabia)

...not advocating, just sayin' don't be surprised...

JDAM-ER's in Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-supplied-winged-smart-bombs-are-now-operational-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-supplied-winged-smart-bombs-are-now-operational-ukraine)

...though noting capable of delivering them as yet...

...so, pricey paper-weights for the moment...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2023, 12:26:08 PM
Attacking ships in international waters might a little bit too much. But the US run by psychopaths and sociopaths.
BTW China is developing the overland part of belt and road to avoid the US blocking trade through the straights near Malaysia/Indonesia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2023, 12:55:18 PM

https://youtu.be/2z30mgCsUFg
 Cartoon about Zelensky's regime/??????? ? ?????? ??????????
BlackAngryFox
The media write that French animators have launched a new animated series Ukraine. Inc, in which the president of "square" Vladimir Zelensky became the main character. The cartoon reflects the grim realities of the political regime in Ukraine. Zelensky, in order to increase his own rating and increase financial capital, as shown in the cartoon (in episode 1), throws his people into a meat grinder. Everyone is sent for slaughter without exception: men, women, children and the elderly.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2023, 02:48:55 PM
Attacking ships in international waters might a little bit too much. But the US run by psychopaths and sociopaths.
BTW China is developing the overland part of belt and road to avoid the US blocking trade through the straights near Malaysia/Indonesia.

Nothing is too much in a widening war, the overland routes will eventually be targeted for aerial actions.

Devils everywhere and all want blood.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2023, 02:50:34 PM

https://youtu.be/2z30mgCsUFg
 Cartoon about Zelensky's regime/??????? ? ?????? ??????????
BlackAngryFox
The media write that French animators have launched a new animated series Ukraine. Inc, in which the president of "square" Vladimir Zelensky became the main character. The cartoon reflects the grim realities of the political regime in Ukraine. Zelensky, in order to increase his own rating and increase financial capital, as shown in the cartoon (in episode 1), throws his people into a meat grinder. Everyone is sent for slaughter without exception: men, women, children and the elderly.

Yah, very clever...too bad the meat grinder is non-discriminatory...all will be grist.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2023, 04:43:51 PM

I pay no attention the "game changer" weapons supplied to Kiev. Most change little.
But one caught my attention. JDAM strap on kits only cost $25K each. They strap on wings and guidance control to dumb bombs, which are much heavier than the rocket warheads used. Travel maybe 80 km at most?

You have to get them in the air with a plane but can be a long distance from Russia air defense.
https://youtu.be/wE_L_o3kZeU
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2023, 10:12:17 PM

US B52  takes a practice cruise missile attack on St. Petersburg.
(https://i0.wp.com/thedreizinreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Screenshot_20230311_164633_Chrome-cropped.jpg?w=715&ssl=1)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2023, 08:58:12 AM
Sure.  There are reportedly 1M Russians troops in Belarus near the Polish border.  Any hokey-pokey...even just a toe and festivities could pop all along the map.

sh*t happens.

And there's been bomber runs in the far East too.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2023, 06:58:59 PM
Ritter pounds the table over Georgia for personal reasons.

Ritter mentions demonstrators in Rustaveli Plaza in Tbilisi Georgia shouting "Sokhumi" that is in an apparently autonomous region that used to be part of Georgia?, meaning they want to take it back? At first Ritter tells the story of his Georgian father in law who fought against the Abkhas apparently. Ritter rants and tells a story about his father in law who held a bridge at Sohkumi so  civilians could flee then over the mountains E through the Kodori Gorge where they were robbed and shot at by Abkha snipers. He could not carry all the still live babies in the snow.


18 min https://youtu.be/rJdDyp0RAEc?t=1087
39 min Then Ritter goes into how and why the US is trying to destabilize Georgia like they did in Ukraine. That is the good part. The US is trying to start a civil war? Another coup?  Ritter gets real upset at what the US is trying to do.
https://youtu.be/rJdDyp0RAEc?t=2316

Georgian Civil War 1992 involving the Abkhazians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)

Map of Abkhazi.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)#/media/File:1992_Georgia_war.svg)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Abkhazia_map-en.svg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2023, 06:38:56 AM
I kinda sorted out what Ritter was talking about, just based on what he said which is likely influenced by his Georgian wife and father in law.

Georgians and Abkhas lived in this region of Georgia Abkhazia. Some Abkhas did something that should have been responded to with appropriate force. Instead they grossly over reacted then the Abkhas fought back with unexpected success. The Georgians who, in his opinion started this, fled. Abkhas drove Georgians out. Russians apparently protected the Abkhas maybe to this day. Alleged mass killings on both sides.

Now US wants to do regime change in Georgia and does not want to be exposed through new FARA laws. The rent a mob was chanting Sokhumi, the birthplace of Ritter's wife, indicating they want to retake control of the now semi independent region of Georgia, which would cause a civil war. A mini replay of Ukraine is what the US wants. IMO and his father in law just hate the idea of a civil war given their history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazians
After the Russian Revolution of 1917, Abkhazia was a part of the Democratic Republic of Georgia, but was conquered by the Red Army in 1921 and eventually entered the Soviet Union as a Soviet Socialist Republic associated with the Georgian SSR. The status of Abkhazia was downgraded in 1931 when it became an Autonomous SSR within the Georgian SSR. Under Joseph Stalin, a forcible collectivization was introduced and the native communist elite purged. The influx of Armenians, Russians and Georgians into the growing agricultural and tourism sectors was also encouraged, and Abkhaz schools were briefly closed. By 1989, the number of Abkhaz was about 93,000 (18% of the population of the autonomous republic), while the Georgian population numbered 240,000 (45%). The number of Armenians (15% of the entire population) and Russians (14%) grew substantially as well.[citation needed]

The 1992–1993 War in Abkhazia followed by the ethnic cleansing of Georgians in Abkhazia left the Abkhaz an ethnic plurality of ca. 45%, with Russians, Armenians, Georgians, Greeks, and Jews comprising most of the remainder of the population of Abkhazia.


(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993)#/media/File:Abkhazia_map-en.svg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2023, 06:46:06 AM


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1998)
The War in Abkhazia in 1998 took place in the Gali district of Abkhazia, after ethnic Georgians launched an insurgency against the Abkhazian separatist government.
...
In the eighteen months prior to the war, Georgian paramilitary forces systematically attacked both Russian peacekeeping troops and the Abkhazian military.[7]

In the beginning of May, 300 fighters from the Georgian paramilitary White Legion crossed into Abkhazia, whereupon the Abkhazian government placed its military on combat alert.[8]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2023, 09:36:04 AM
If Russians captured it once they own it, precedent set...especially is Russian-speakers are anywhere to be found.

Truly, I give not one frack about Georgia or Abkhaz or Russia or any of them..

Everybody kill your tormentors!   ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2023, 11:43:19 AM


I think Abkhaz speak Abkhaz  which is a slavic language related to Russian. Stalin was the Georgia. I think Ritter is upset that the US wants to destroy Georgia with a civil war. I don't think anyone wore white hats in the recent couple civil wars.

I think I heard that the US pumps $20M into Georgia. If focused on 5% of pop of their capital city that is $300 per person.
I wonder who provided all the signs for their protests? They sure happen to have lots of EU flags and they are not an EU member.  Why would a protester object to FARA?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2023, 02:11:40 PM
Wondering when the Reaper flights over international waters of the Black Sea would be challenged...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-reaper-drone-crashes-into-black-sea-after-russian-intercept-2023-03-14/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-reaper-drone-crashes-into-black-sea-after-russian-intercept-2023-03-14/)

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2023/mar/14/ukraine-war-russian-jet-collides-with-us-drone-over-black-sea-saysus-military-2556050.html (https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2023/mar/14/ukraine-war-russian-jet-collides-with-us-drone-over-black-sea-saysus-military-2556050.html)

Little more in the Indian link.

Next, Reaper takes out next Rus plane approaching it in an aggressive posture...then things get sporty...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2023, 05:05:00 PM
Wondering when the Reaper flights over international waters of the Black Sea would be challenged...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-reaper-drone-crashes-into-black-sea-after-russian-intercept-2023-03-14/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-says-reaper-drone-crashes-into-black-sea-after-russian-intercept-2023-03-14/)

https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2023/mar/14/ukraine-war-russian-jet-collides-with-us-drone-over-black-sea-saysus-military-2556050.html (https://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2023/mar/14/ukraine-war-russian-jet-collides-with-us-drone-over-black-sea-saysus-military-2556050.html)

Little more in the Indian link.

Next, Reaper takes out next Rus plane approaching it in an aggressive posture...then things get sporty...

It dumped fuel in front of the drone. What was the tech reason for doing that?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on March 14, 2023, 06:16:49 PM
over whelmed the intake of the drone, effectively killing its engine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2023, 09:14:08 AM
Yes, thinking back to my younger days when I could actually work on cars myself...

Ever use Sea Foam on a mechanical carb?  Too much and it stalls the engine.  No oxygen.

And, if you carefully read the Kremlim statement -

The Russian fighters did not use airborne weapons, did not come into contact with the unmanned aerial vehicle

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-reaper-drone-downed-over-black-sea-incident-russian-jet (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-reaper-drone-downed-over-black-sea-incident-russian-jet)

Leaves fuel dumping totally viable.

Also, they said the drone's transponder was off...prior to this (go see Monkey Werx) they had been flying with transponders on over the middle of the Black Sea in East-West runs...likely going dark was a test, and now we see the results of that test...so I suspect subsequent flights will be sqwaking regularly.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 15, 2023, 04:22:22 PM
The imbeciles operating through the US government are trying to start [another] war.   ::pokeineye::    ::gaah::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2023, 06:57:15 PM
over whelmed the intake of the drone, effectively killing its engine.

Could be. Isn't ejecting fuel how you go to after burner?  That wouldn't help the drone much either.
I wonder if they could destabilize the drone with wake turbulence real close. IMO the drone would use AI to recover.

The WH earlier said they would not send a drone to Ukraine for fear it would fall into Russian hands. That went well.


Ritter said the reaper had extensive EW and intelligence gathering equipment. US tried to get Romania to fish the drone out but too late. Russia got there first. Ritter thinks the military resisted sending that drone there on that mission.
Lindsey Graham wants to shoot Russian jets out of the sky.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2023, 07:03:34 PM


OUCH!
https://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-remains-occupied-by-us-says-russian-president-vladimir-putin-12294242.html (https://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-remains-occupied-by-us-says-russian-president-vladimir-putin-12294242.html)
 Germany remains 'occupied' by US, says Russian President Vladimir Putin
Putin, interviewed on Russian television, also said European leaders had been browbeaten into losing their sense of sovereignty and independence
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2023, 09:49:34 PM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2023, 08:44:37 AM
over whelmed the intake of the drone, effectively killing its engine.

Could be. Isn't ejecting fuel how you go to after burner?  That wouldn't help the drone much either.
I wonder if they could destabilize the drone with wake turbulence real close. IMO the drone would use AI to recover.

The WH earlier said they would not send a drone to Ukraine for fear it would fall into Russian hands. That went well.


Ritter said the reaper had extensive EW and intelligence gathering equipment. US tried to get Romania to fish the drone out but too late. Russia got there first. Ritter thinks the military resisted sending that drone there on that mission.
Lindsey Graham wants to shoot Russian jets out of the sky.

"After" burner...superheat the compressed air as it leaves for added thrust...purposely dumping fuel (typically from wings - most military jets have "wet wings") would smother oxygen needed for combustion...

The Reaper has lots of nice sensors and is armed, the platform is nothing particularly special...the gizmo's though...

Grahamnasty is a thumb-sucking imbecile...WWRD?  Not start WWIII over nothing!  He needs to be slapped.

Gotta bring back dueling...cut the BS down in no time!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2023, 08:47:28 AM


OUCH!
https://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-remains-occupied-by-us-says-russian-president-vladimir-putin-12294242.html (https://www.firstpost.com/world/germany-remains-occupied-by-us-says-russian-president-vladimir-putin-12294242.html)
 Germany remains 'occupied' by US, says Russian President Vladimir Putin
Putin, interviewed on Russian television, also said European leaders had been browbeaten into losing their sense of sovereignty and independence

Ya, sure...they did it willingly, Puti.  Why pay for defense when you can have stupid American's pick up the tab year after year, decade after decade...and bear the brunt of your backyard failures?!

They dropped to their knees, just like Syrian's did to you and you do to China.  He ought to know better he is not going to win with words.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 16, 2023, 08:48:06 AM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.

I don't care.   And for good reason.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Pandora on March 16, 2023, 09:07:54 AM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.

The "US" does not care about what happens to the people HERE.  Try to find a way to be upset about this instead.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 16, 2023, 12:16:44 PM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.

The "US" does not care about what happens to the people HERE.  Try to find a way to be upset about this instead.

Made me laugh. Almost spit out coffee.

When I see a 'democracy' protest now I wonder who paid for it and organized it. I think the US paid for the Hong Kong protests now.
What is nice about the new atlas Brian Berletic is that he provides support and references for what he says. Often US govt links. He shows videos of people being trained on how to protest and organize to return back to their home countries.

I earlier posted from video clips from a prof on Ukraine history. Ethnic Ukraine regions but no independent country until 1999, with 4 different regions attempting in 1918 in that region. Now Dreizin gives some details of history.  Russian empire was weak and never standardized Russian language so lots of dialects including Galician in area of current central or western Ukraine.

https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/03/15/silicon-valley-bank-and-donetsk/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 16, 2023, 12:27:13 PM
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/03/15/silicon-valley-bank-and-donetsk/
The Ukraine is a historically new construction. Until the late 19th century, the Ukraine was merely a region, and 100% of its inhabitants, the Ukrainians, or Rusyns (Ruthenians) as they were called in areas under Austria at that time, considered that their language, or whatever regional dialect they spoke, was Russian (“Russka mova”), and they had zero political awareness or identity separate from Russia (with the exception of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, who were Cossacks, not as presently described, “Ukrainian Cossacks”, LOL.)

The concept of a “Ukrainian language” and the associated identity was constructed in areas under Austrian rule (parts of Galicia and Volhynia), with Austrian support and state financing, immediately after the local iteration of the 1848 revolutions, as a way to quell pro-Russian irredentism among landowners and the Russian Orthodox church in the region. From here on, the Galician literary dialect was also set as the “one and only” Ukrainian language, similar to how the dialect of Florence became “standard Italian.”
... more at link
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 16, 2023, 06:19:19 PM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.

The "US" does not care about what happens to the people HERE.  Try to find a way to be upset about this instead.

The US govt treats us with neglect, abuse, and exploitation. They want Georgia to be turned into a cinder.
They are sociopaths.
Some in US govt glowed when talking about how the Ukraine war was such a good deal for America.
We spend a small part of our wealth and get to weaken Russia without spilling any American blood.
150K dead Ukrainian soldiers so far?
Geez.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2023, 12:10:51 PM
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/03/15/silicon-valley-bank-and-donetsk/
The Ukraine is a historically new construction. Until the late 19th century, the Ukraine was merely a region, and 100% of its inhabitants, the Ukrainians, or Rusyns (Ruthenians) as they were called in areas under Austria at that time, considered that their language, or whatever regional dialect they spoke, was Russian (“Russka mova”), and they had zero political awareness or identity separate from Russia (with the exception of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, who were Cossacks, not as presently described, “Ukrainian Cossacks”, LOL.)

The concept of a “Ukrainian language” and the associated identity was constructed in areas under Austrian rule (parts of Galicia and Volhynia), with Austrian support and state financing, immediately after the local iteration of the 1848 revolutions, as a way to quell pro-Russian irredentism among landowners and the Russian Orthodox church in the region. From here on, the Galician literary dialect was also set as the “one and only” Ukrainian language, similar to how the dialect of Florence became “standard Italian.”
... more at link

The US is a relatively new construction too...by this metric we should abase ourselves to...

The British?

The so-called native Americans?

No.  Maybe only the Solutrean people who migrated here 20k years ago from what is now modern Spain and France.

It's games like this that annoy me.  Playing the who's first game...well, Rus are a marriage of Slavs and Vikings...rose in Kiev, dominated Moscow.  How far back you want to go with this and is that point the true genesis or a convenient one?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 17, 2023, 12:13:41 PM


This whole Georgia thing upsets me because the US does not care about what happens to the people there, just like Ukraine. The guy at New Atlas taught me about how things work. US funds NGOs to do regime change. Protests, violent protests, etc. Georgia is likely US funded NGOS which is why the US objected  to a US style FARA law.

The "US" does not care about what happens to the people HERE.  Try to find a way to be upset about this instead.

The US govt treats us with neglect, abuse, and exploitation. They want Georgia to be turned into a cinder.
They are sociopaths.
Some in US govt glowed when talking about how the Ukraine war was such a good deal for America.
We spend a small part of our wealth and get to weaken Russia without spilling any American blood.
150K dead Ukrainian soldiers so far?
Geez.

I think you made our point...

Don't care about European problems, don't care about Russia, Georgia or any of them...

Give us a plan to solve things here at home...by default it will solve you irritations over there...

If it is enlist with Russia, try again...trading assholes is not the answer or very realistic...getting rid of our assholes is...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2023, 06:34:02 PM

14K dead in the Donbass in 8 years, mostly from shelling. Many orphans sent to Russia by relatives. Now this.

https://voxday.net/2023/03/17/checkmate-putin-2/
The ICC has issued a warrant for the arrest of Vladimir Putin.

    The Pre-trial Chamber of the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued warrants on Friday for the arrest of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Maria Lvova-Belova, the presidential commissioner for children’s rights. The ICC alleged that Putin and Lvova-Belova engaged in the “unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation.”


(https://social.infogalactic.com/images/posts/607f16bc-92bf-41c4-bc8a-7afac3b81d91/original-39fd131f2293670921b04a915c72a14e.jpg?v=63846299734)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2023, 08:42:16 PM
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/03/15/silicon-valley-bank-and-donetsk/
The Ukraine is a historically new construction. Until the late 19th century, the Ukraine was merely a region, and 100% of its inhabitants, the Ukrainians, or Rusyns (Ruthenians) as they were called in areas under Austria at that time, considered that their language, or whatever regional dialect they spoke, was Russian (“Russka mova”), and they had zero political awareness or identity separate from Russia (with the exception of the Zaporozhian Cossacks, who were Cossacks, not as presently described, “Ukrainian Cossacks”, LOL.)

The concept of a “Ukrainian language” and the associated identity was constructed in areas under Austrian rule (parts of Galicia and Volhynia), with Austrian support and state financing, immediately after the local iteration of the 1848 revolutions, as a way to quell pro-Russian irredentism among landowners and the Russian Orthodox church in the region. From here on, the Galician literary dialect was also set as the “one and only” Ukrainian language, similar to how the dialect of Florence became “standard Italian.”
... more at link

The US is a relatively new construction too...by this metric we should abase ourselves to...

The British?

The so-called native Americans?

No.  Maybe only the Solutrean people who migrated here 20k years ago from what is now modern Spain and France.

It's games like this that annoy me.  Playing the who's first game...well, Rus are a marriage of Slavs and Vikings...rose in Kiev, dominated Moscow.  How far back you want to go with this and is that point the true genesis or a convenient one?

Some people like history, others don't. I hear competing versions in the headlines. I had no idea as to the history. Then a couple short versions fell into my lap. I posted previously some short videos from a history professor about Ukraine. How there was not an independent country in current Ukraine until 1918 when there were 4 different ones (poles around Lviv, Ukrainians around Kiev,  Russians around Kharkov, and Russians in Crimea). They lasted maybe a year until the Reds put them down. Then independent in 1999.

Dreizin makes some interesting points about language. Most people could not read and write and there was no
standard language; which varied some from village to village as people never traveled more than 20 miles from where they born. Russian empire was backward. Austro-Hungarian empire pushed a separate Ukraine language, for political reasons,  based on a dialect of Russian which existed, as did many other dialects as there was no standard Russian. Lenin did the same thing in the 1920s in pushing Ukrainian; again for political reasons then Stalin killed it.

A current entity named Ukraine was created when Stalin/whoever drew lines on a map to include ethnic Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians. They became independent in 1999.

Ethnic Ukrainians go way back. Not the country with that name. Same with German people and Italian people who got similar sized countries as now in the late 1800s. Now the Ukrainians are rewriting history to create a glorious past nation.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2023, 09:46:26 PM
BTW 2 books in my top 10 are Ethnic America and Albions Seed, both about immigration to America. Explains why different areas in the US are different to this day, although lost of movement since then.

Things got clearer after some history. Ukrainians have been shelling the Russians in the east for 8 years. According to them to drive the subhumans off their sacred land. The Ukrainian ancestral land is centered on Kiev. Russian ancestral land in the current borders of Ukraine is the Donbass. Russians lived there hundreds of years. Some only 80 years.

Why are there so many Ukraine POWs from Mariupol with swastika/Hitler tattoos but none in Germany?
What do you call people who have swastika/Hitler tattoos?  I will call them NAZIs. You can call them whatever you want.
From 1946 to 53 US backed NAZIS in current Ukraine. 400K dead on all sides. They fled to other countries or the gulags. Later NAZIs freed from gulags Some formed political groups in Ukraine, That is why you see NAZIs  on Ukr social media but not German social media.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2023, 01:09:46 PM
Another piece of history fell into my lap.Parts of current Ukraine were ruled my the Austro-Hungarian empire. Some analyst said that hating Russians is what it means to be western Ukrainian. This region was referred to as Galicia. Centered on Lviv? Around 2 million Russian soldiers died in WWI so the 60K number killed below by authorities are different from those. Authorities hung people for reading Russian etc. Later concentration camps.

After writing this post I found the link below. It has much better formatting and pictures.
https://www.rt.com/russia/572970-gallows-and-executions-without-end/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/572970-gallows-and-executions-without-end/)


https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/4961 (https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/4961)
"...By the start of WW1, the Russophile movement in Galicia was experiencing tough times. As a result of the “divide and rule” policy implemented by the Austrians, the movement suffered a split. The oldest and most respected organizations ended up in the hands of pro-Austrian leaders who advocated Ukrainian, not Rusyn, identity.

“Those suspected of ‘Russophilia’ were hung on these trees in front of the windows. They would hang there for a day, then would be taken off and others would take their place… ” recounted one of the peasants in the Gorodetsky district.

Repressions against the intelligentsia were followed by those against the general public. Anyone who was thought to sympathize with Russia or Russian culture became a suspect. This included people who had once visited Russia, read Russian newspapers, or were just known as “Russophiles.”...

... On August 28, 1914, there were two thousand prisoners in Lviv alone. It was then that the Austrian authorities decided to establish concentration camps. In September 1914, the huge Thalerhof place of incarceration was set up in Styria. The first prisoners were delivered on September 4. According to the testimony of one of the survivors, priest Theodor Merena, prisoners were “people of different class and age”. They included clergy, lawyers, doctors, teachers, officials, peasants, writers, and students. The age of the prisoners ranged from infants to 100-year-olds.

...People slept on the ground in the open air despite the rain and frost. The latrines were uncovered and used by twenty people at a time. When the barracks were built, they were overcrowded, housing 500 people instead of the intended 200. The prisoners slept on straw beds which were rarely replaced. Naturally, epidemics were widespread. In just two months following November 1914, over three thousand prisoners died of typhus.

...To instill fear, prison authorities constructed poles throughout the camp and regularly hung “violators” on these poles. The violation could be a mere trifle, like catching someone smoking in the barrack at night...

The camp operated for nearly three years and was closed down in May 1917 on the order of Charles I of Austria.

...The exact number of victims in Thalerhof is still disputed. The official report by Field Marshal Schleer dated November 9, 1914, stated that 5,700 Russophiles were imprisoned there at the time. According to one of the survivors, in the autumn of the same year there were about 8,000 prisoners. Twenty to thirty thousand Russian Galicians and Bukovinians passed through Thalerhof in total. In the first year and a half alone, about 3,000 prisoners died. According to other sources, 3,800 people were executed in the first half of 1915. Overall, in the course of the First World War, the Austro-Hungarian authorities killed at least 60,000 Rusyns.

...In modern Ukraine, the Rusyn genocide isn’t publicly discussed. Thalerhof is not mentioned in any school textbooks on the history of the country. The idea that Russians once lived in Galicia – the proud center of “Ukrainian culture” – does not fit the nationalistic ideology of contemporary Ukraine. Most young people have never even heard of Thalerhof...."
https://web.archive.org/web/20230316022325/https://www.rt.com/russia/572970-gallows-and-executions-without-end/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20230316022325/https://www.rt.com/russia/572970-gallows-and-executions-without-end/)

pon edit
The tragedy marked the end of the Russophile movement in Galicia. All those who did not submit and did not take on a Ukrainian identity were physically annihilated. Just a few years after the tragic events, public views changed. The region came under the influence of other movements and politicians. When Austria-Hungary fell apart after the First World War, Galicia turned into a powerful center of the Ukrainian nationalist movement.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20230316022325oe_/https://mf.b37mrtl.ru/files/2023.03/original/6410af4220302736446df647.jpg)
FILE PHOTO. Bird's-eye view of the Talerhof concentration camp

(https://forgottengalicia.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/galicia-yelmap1w1cb5.jpg)

https://forgottengalicia.com/about/what-is-galicia/ (https://forgottengalicia.com/about/what-is-galicia/)
A timeline of the territory of Galicia:

1199–1245: Principality of Galicia-Volhynia
1245–1349: Kingdom of Galicia-Volhynia
1349–1569: Kingdom of Poland
1569–1772: Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth
1772–1918: Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, a crownland of the Austrian Empire
1918–1939: Republic of Poland
1939–1941: Soviet Occupation (eastern half)
1941–1944: Nazi German Occupation
1945–1991: Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic and Polish People’s Republic
1991– Independent Ukraine and Poland (Third Polish Republic from 1989)

https://forgottengalicia.com/historical-maps-of-galicia-1775-1918/ (https://forgottengalicia.com/historical-maps-of-galicia-1775-1918/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2023, 01:29:09 PM

BTW As far as I know, Russians were never a majority or plurality of the pop in Galicia, just a minority the Austro-Hungarian empire wanted to rub out at one point.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2023, 03:51:19 PM


Cartoon.
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/16708
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2023, 02:41:09 PM

What's that wacky Erdogan up to now? Playing poker or horse trading?
No need to read beneath the headline.


https://youtu.be/3YURjF92Ceg
Turkey Stops Transit Of Goods, Hungary To Reassess Ties | Putin’s Allies Re-Thinking Russia Support?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2023, 08:45:29 AM
Well, about that commitment to war...

Stunningly, the Polish Ambassador to France Jan Emeryk Ro?ciszewski said yesterday: “Either Ukraine will defend its independence today, or we will be forced to enter into this conflict,” sending a clear message that NATO will enter the war against Russia if Ukraine loses ground.

The exact quote: “either Ukraine will defend its independence today, or we will have to enter this conflict. Because our main values, which were the basis of our civilization, and our culture will be threatened. Therefore, we will have no choice but to enter the conflict.”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/19/quiet-part-out-loud-polish-ambassador-warns-if-ukraine-not-successful-nato-will-join-war-against-russia/

https://youtu.be/xSLlZh9yelk

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2023, 10:20:07 AM
^^^^
I saw that. Then the Polish govt walked it back quick. Claimed it was taken out of context. I hear that Polish people are not as gung ho as some leaders.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2023, 10:35:52 AM
The walk back is not because it isn't true, it is because it is true...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2023, 02:36:31 PM
 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2023, 04:18:03 PM
See this?

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7df455b992934d6a80288f97351f9a6eb7b7458231e88bf95f3f05297dbcd203.png)H/T-WZ

I don't know Derrick...but he swooshed it nothing-but-net style from under his own basket on poor loser Dollar Store Obamy!!!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2023, 05:18:13 PM


Fast paced doc on Moldova. Invaded by damn near everybody at one time. I lost track. I linked to 1812 when part was ceded from Ottoman Empire(?) to Russia, Called Besarabia. Lots of Russians emigrated there and later from USSR to there. Economic power house then. After USSR, people on east side of the Dnister river. Armed conflict 1990-92 in the industrial heartland. That part formed Transnistria.

I think Transnistria is ethnic Russia. Moldova must be a real polyglot mix from all the invasions for every direction.
I see a pattern here. USSR both oppressed and protected people. When it fell it was time to 'set things right.'
https://youtu.be/UHxGKJMX5hw?t=591

I heard that Moldova might change their language to Romanian which it kinda is now. The two countries might merge.

(https://maps.lib.utexas.edu/maps/commonwealth/moldovaethnic.jpg)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 08:11:53 AM
Squat and claim.

Just like our locusts...

 ::mooning::

Meanwhile, back in Ukraine...

Somebody at WRSA@GAB posted this, pathetic parallel, eh?!

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=700,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/132/614/929/original/483bc8d045a133ed.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 11:05:55 AM

Just saw US sent some B52s over the Baltic heading for Russia. What is the point of this?
Someone said that neocons have no reverse gear. The only tool in their tool box is war.
If anyone is paying attention, China is taking over the world mostly without using weapons.
Look at the peace deal they just brokered.
US govt thinks it is 1960 where we rule the world.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 11:12:29 AM
Bomber came out of a base in Southern Spain, went towards North Sea and boogied East to Baltics to near St. Petersburg, then reversed and refueled over Germany I think on way back to base.  Show of force, been going on a while.  Like I keep saying all sides are all-in, not sure what you think should happen but it ain't happening any different.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/18-european-countries-sign-joint-ammunition-donation-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/18-european-countries-sign-joint-ammunition-donation-ukraine)

Swell.

As for this...I think some bragging may have gave away enough of a clue as to how to defeat said system...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/russian-tech-firm-develops-lon-range-missile-and-integrated-drone-system-based-on-ai/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/03/russian-tech-firm-develops-lon-range-missile-and-integrated-drone-system-based-on-ai/)

...can they be that dumb, or are they blowing smoke?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 12:24:04 PM

When Trump launched 80+ cruise missiles into Syria I asked myself what the Chinese would do with that money.
I think the target was mostly empty and they were warned ahead of time. I think I saw that Syria and Saudi and or Turkey are making up. Sucks to be Israel now. They are great at getting their enemies to fight each, just like Britain long ago.

China is building railroads now to get around a possible naval blockade by US. Invest invest invest.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 12:26:53 PM
Squat and claim.

Just like our locusts...

 ::mooning::

 ....
Which one of the 10-20 invaders are the squatters? If you want to go down a rabbit hole sometime watch the yt videos on dna haplogroups for some region.  I
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 12:32:47 PM

When Trump launched 80+ cruise missiles into Syria I asked myself what the Chinese would do with that money.
I think the target was mostly empty and they were warned ahead of time. I think I saw that Syria and Saudi and or Turkey are making up. Sucks to be Israel now. They are great at getting their enemies to fight each, just like Britain long ago.

China is building railroads now to get around a possible naval blockade by US. Invest invest invest.

They'll have to create a great wall of SAMs to prevent destruction from above...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 12:36:59 PM
Squat and claim.

Just like our locusts...

 ::mooning::

 ....
Which one of the 10-20 invaders are the squatters? If you want to go down a rabbit hole sometime watch the yt videos on dna haplogroups for some region.  I

Your quote - "Lots of Russians emigrated there and later from USSR to there."

One person's emigrees are another's invaders...

Looks like Romanians have a bigger claim on Moldova, everybody else must accept it or else...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 03:24:39 PM
Squat and claim.

Just like our locusts...

 ::mooning::

 ....
Which one of the 10-20 invaders are the squatters? If you want to go down a rabbit hole sometime watch the yt videos on dna haplogroups for some region.  I

Your quote - "Lots of Russians emigrated there and later from USSR to there."

One person's emigrees are another's invaders...

Looks like Romanians have a bigger claim on Moldova, everybody else must accept it or else...

Yes they do. The fact that they are now separate countries strikes many in the know as odd. I cannot remember the recent history. Stalin liked to mess with people. There is a guy Emil on YT who grew up in communist Romania. He tells stories about it. He says that because Romania was never real strong they developed the national trait of being sly and deceptive like foxes.
https://youtu.be/_gTTMobg8Gg
That's how a non-weasel country responds to weasels: Moscow opens criminal case against ICC judges.
Emil Cosman
56.3K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 03:30:35 PM

I keep coming back to a sentence from Balkan Ghosts by Robert D. Kaplan. Every square mile of the Balkans has at least 3 countries laying claim to it. Back in their golden age they ruled there and that is as things should be today.

1 minute long book review.
https://youtu.be/cFbZ3cJIDHs
History Book Review: Balkan Ghosts: A Journey Through History by Robert D. Kaplan

https://youtu.be/9mm4Q5il9DU
Robert B Kaplan and "The Revenge of Geography"
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 03:45:22 PM
LOL, he's funny...

"Don't wrestle with pigs"

He's right about the stupid finger-pointing.

The ICC has always been a Euro-Centric (read pro-invader refugee) circle jerk...no different from turd world kissing Unnecessary Nations...

Diplomatic immunity...yeah, well there are ways around legalisms if people are willing to risk bullets too, so...

Convicted in absentia is no different than being condemned by the UN...no practical effect...but sh*t is fun to do, eh?

Is it kind of like being Trumped?   ::pokeineye::

Clinton ignored Rwanda...black on black genocide, big deal so what...but blacks here hailed him as the US's "first black President"...

Hooray for bloodshed!

/

He's a snarky bastard, I can identify...

And he's right, I say it all the time "might makes right" it is the only standard common among all powers on this planet...people can go ahead and pick their favorite to adore and favorite to demonize...to me all are culpable...and I think this guy would agree with that...hold everyone equally accountable or don't...but people shouldn't delude themselves into think one asshole is any better than another...

Rather Libertarian...mind your own sh*t, leave everybody else alone...stands for all or stand for none, no exceptions.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2023, 03:55:25 PM

I keep coming back to a sentence from Balkan Ghosts by Robert D. Kaplan. Every square mile of the Balkans has at least 3 countries laying claim to it. Back in their golden age they ruled there and that is as things should be today.

1 minute long book review.
https://youtu.be/cFbZ3cJIDHs
History Book Review: Balkan Ghosts: A Journey Through History by Robert D. Kaplan

https://youtu.be/9mm4Q5il9DU
Robert B Kaplan and "The Revenge of Geography"

They, the conquerors.  Seems to be arguing for a fuedal system of the strong dominating their closest weaker nations...especially ones they kicked the piss out of at an arbitrary point in history...

That is in essence the Putin Doctrine and I said so long long ago...

Might makes right...

Sucks to be Canada, Mexico, Cuba...  And in terms of 19th century maps perhaps we get the Philippines and small Pacific islands back...

 ::whoohoo::

I'd trade all that to be out of all the other sh*t!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2023, 06:27:51 PM

Moldova is thinking of/planning on changing the official language to Romanian? Heard that this week. Romania is a NATO member. Maybe merge? Maybe NATO wants to screw over or invade the ethnic Russians in Transnistria. The only tool in their toolbox is war. Meanwhile China is making deals all over the place.

Also some military analyst thinks China will supply arms to Russia but for a strange reason. To test their arms out. See what works. NATO and Russia are both seeing what works and what does not, Then tweaking their methods and weapons.

There was some guy on youtube that had some Russian EW simulator. How he got that I'll never know. He showed how the incoming missiles looked on radar and how they were classified. At that time the US Himars had unseen characteristics and they were effective. Later the Russians figured out how to down them.

Remember the Spanish Civil War. Germans and Soviets sent equipment in to test them out and modified them before WWII. Now China may do the same thing.

The current Moldovan president was educated in the US. I think the current Georgian(?) president was born in France and educated in the US. They all form an elite club that like each other but not their own citizens.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2023, 08:24:28 AM
Sure, crush the invading squatters, wish we could do that here, but no, only they get to do it.  So much hypocrisy all around.  Their borders matter, not ours.  They get to drive out invaders, we reward them.  We give them arms, they want to take our away.  They get our money, we get robbed. 

They get cluster bombs (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/group-gop-lawmakers-want-send-cluster-bombs-ukraine) we get on lists and persecuted for our beliefs.

Total fvcking demonic clown world.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2023, 08:59:36 AM
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1638250268214063105

Yup, it is akin to when the US eclipsed Britain.  They survived but were relegated to vassal.

I really do not know how the Russian ego will handle that reality.  If I had to postulate a response it would be denial buttressed with propaganda.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2023, 11:30:44 AM


Ritter was on. Said there was a US govt and some scientific org that aid no harm from depleted Uranium in Iraq. Some scientists visited and found increased leukemia and birth defects. Years ago Russia concluded harm so they switched to tungsten. So they are touchy about the depleted Uranium shells being provided by UK.

Heard Belarusia killed foreign terrorist near Polish border. Now they found a nearby weapons cache. Maybe Poland involved?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2023, 11:44:22 AM
The Rus still have depleted uranium in their ammo bunkers...

Heard nothing about the latter...today everybody's loathed is a terrorist...

Some or more loathsome than others...I know I am surrounded...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2023, 04:57:12 PM
 When I hear something I try to give the source. I do not know if it is true. I don't add a disclaimer most of the time.
I don't think that depleted uranium is radioactive but neither is lead and lead dust is not good for you.
Someone said that the US discourages any data gathering in Iraq. Russia regards depleted Uranium as toxic so are upset with UK.

Col Macgregor says some German metal firm formed in 1380 just declared bankruptcy. No energy or too expensive just as predicted.

German FM Baerbock previously said she would support Ukraine regardless of the people want. Now the 'populist'  Italian president said the same thing

Patrick Lancaster provides yet another video from Donetsk City. More rocket attacks on residential areas. They were Tochka U rockets, not US Himars as he first thought. Other such residential  attacks have used the US high precision Himars; maybe operated by US military or ex military since they are hard to use. I am surprised the US does not tell them to use them only military or mixed use targets.

This has been going on for 8 years. Kiev says they want to drive the Russians off their sacred land.
According to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk
Quote
The original settlement in the south of the European part of the Russian Empire was first mentioned as Aleksandrovka in 1779, during the reign of the Empress Catherine the Great.

https://youtu.be/MTAd63QqUUk
Ballistic Missiles & American Rockets Hammer Donetsk Russia Ukraine Warzone
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2023, 05:29:44 PM
Also, Victor Orban said he would hold up any entry of Ukraine in EU or NATO  until Ukraine gave ethnic Hungarians equal rights with ethnic Ukrainians. Before that, he objected to ethnic Hungarians being disproportionately conscripted in their region of Ukraine.

In some country, the EU demanded that the Hungarian minority be educated in their mother tongue as this was a human right. I think they were only 5% of pop.

Had doc on Georgian history on. Said the ethnic Georgians go back to pre-history. Bounded on north and south by greater caucuses and lesser caucuses. Abkhasia goes way back also on maps.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/41/24/2d4124757335d30a8efe9cb05e789bba.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2023, 09:46:10 AM
When I hear something I try to give the source. I do not know if it is true. I don't add a disclaimer most of the time.
I don't think that depleted uranium is radioactive but neither is lead and lead dust is not good for you.
Someone said that the US discourages any data gathering in Iraq. Russia regards depleted Uranium as toxic so are upset with UK.

Col Macgregor says some German metal firm formed in 1380 just declared bankruptcy. No energy or too expensive just as predicted.

German FM Baerbock previously said she would support Ukraine regardless of the people want. Now the 'populist'  Italian president said the same thing

Patrick Lancaster provides yet another video from Donetsk City. More rocket attacks on residential areas. They were Tochka U rockets, not US Himars as he first thought. Other such residential  attacks have used the US high precision Himars; maybe operated by US military or ex military since they are hard to use. I am surprised the US does not tell them to use them only military or mixed use targets.

This has been going on for 8 years. Kiev says they want to drive the Russians off their sacred land.
According to Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk
Quote
The original settlement in the south of the European part of the Russian Empire was first mentioned as Aleksandrovka in 1779, during the reign of the Empress Catherine the Great.

https://youtu.be/MTAd63QqUUk
Ballistic Missiles & American Rockets Hammer Donetsk Russia Ukraine Warzone
 
Sacred land   ::hysterical::   I gots somadat too!   ::laughonfloor::

And there is lots of idiots all-in on the fight over this sacred land...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/22/returning-to-neocon-roots-desantis-backtracks-on-his-tucker-carlson-ukraine-position-as-territorial-dispute-now-says-i-think-its-been-mischaracterized-and-putin-is-a-war-criminal/

You are seeing a guy who was wise enough to surf the Trump wave and move FL in a good direction throw it all away...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638606276027359236
H.T-CTH

 ::hysterical::

DemoCommies, Cucks, Euro's...they're all all-in on Ukraine...

I think it is becoming clear who has the Epstein black book...

As for that depleted uranium and Putin's latest counter-threat...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/22/president-putin-together-with-chairman-xi-warn-nato-about-u-k-plan-to-send-depleted-uranium-rounds-to-ukraine/

Depleted uranium is not a big deal, it is not on par with a nuclear device it is an armor penetrator...and Putin's threat likely only means he'll crack open his vast stores of depleted uranium and respond in kind.  Whupty-do.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2023, 09:48:16 AM
Also, Victor Orban said he would hold up any entry of Ukraine in EU or NATO  until Ukraine gave ethnic Hungarians equal rights with ethnic Ukrainians. Before that, he objected to ethnic Hungarians being disproportionately conscripted in their region of Ukraine.

In some country, the EU demanded that the Hungarian minority be educated in their mother tongue as this was a human right. I think they were only 5% of pop.

Had doc on Georgian history on. Said the ethnic Georgians go back to pre-history. Bounded on north and south by greater caucuses and lesser caucuses. Abkhasia goes way back also on maps.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/2d/41/24/2d4124757335d30a8efe9cb05e789bba.jpg)

The inherent suicidal nature of diversity?   ::whatgives::   ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 23, 2023, 09:55:15 AM
OK, this is pretty hilarious...

(https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/the_war_whores-Tina-Toon-1024x781.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2023, 12:33:03 PM


Ritter at 11 min says depleted uranium have caused spike in birth defects and cancer  where used. If the dust is inhaled US servicemen had health problems. Dust created if the ammo explodes or hits something. Russian stopped using it.

https://youtu.be/KYik0hUCrso?t=673
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2023, 04:13:59 PM

There have been competing narratives inside Russia.
1. The west hates the current govt only.
2. The west hates the Russian people.

I can't remember the examples but the west keeps doing things that support #2, which strengthens the Putin govt as it makes the Russian people draw together. Recently the Biden admin decided to deport Russian draft dodgers/asylum seekers back to Russia. A bonehead move IMO, It is one more data point to support #2.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2023, 05:39:03 PM
I heard 400K people left Russia over Ukraine war? Is that true?
Putin says, good my political opposition just left.
Draft dodgers are allowed even welcomed to leave. Getting back in may be difficult.


https://youtu.be/g99_PK0Ob9M?t=249
Romania and Moldova Unite? Europe's Newest Nation
5 % pop Gagauzia portion. Turkish Christian Orthodox. Want to be independent if Moldova joins Romania. Held a vote. Prefer Russia. Also Tranistria. Romania is a member of NATO and EU.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2023, 11:07:00 AM


Ritter at 11 min says depleted uranium have caused spike in birth defects and cancer  where used. If the dust is inhaled US servicemen had health problems. Dust created if the ammo explodes or hits something. Russian stopped using it.

https://youtu.be/KYik0hUCrso?t=673

Sure, but there is no verifiable documentation to support those claims.  At least none anybody is willing to share.  Lead can be injurious to human health too...don't see exploding diapers over that element...

So, I deem that whole discussion pointless...and if the Rus are pinning their hopes of being held blameless for their use of actually lethal radioactive weapons on the introduction of depleted uranium then I think that is by far and away a bridge too far.

Getting Clintonian in the language...I guess they think "depleted" is as variable in meaning as "is" is...   ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2023, 11:08:17 AM

There have been competing narratives inside Russia.
1. The west hates the current govt only.
2. The west hates the Russian people.

I can't remember the examples but the west keeps doing things that support #2, which strengthens the Putin govt as it makes the Russian people draw together. Recently the Biden admin decided to deport Russian draft dodgers/asylum seekers back to Russia. A bonehead move IMO, It is one more data point to support #2.

Well, I see nothing different from Russian leadership to distinguish enmity of government vs people either, so...

(yawn)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2023, 11:10:47 AM
I heard 400K people left Russia over Ukraine war? Is that true?
Putin says, good my political opposition just left.
Draft dodgers are allowed even welcomed to leave. Getting back in may be difficult.


https://youtu.be/g99_PK0Ob9M?t=249
Romania and Moldova Unite? Europe's Newest Nation
5 % pop Gagauzia portion. Turkish Christian Orthodox. Want to be independent if Moldova joins Romania. Held a vote. Prefer Russia. Also Tranistria. Romania is a member of NATO and EU.

Great, more squatters. 

We should be flooding Cuba with Americans, have them declare independence and intervene militarily in a special military operation if necessary to secure their claim.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 24, 2023, 11:15:20 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/well-attack-any-country-tries-arrest-putin-kremlin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/well-attack-any-country-tries-arrest-putin-kremlin)

Damn, I think it could be exciting to see this play out!

Anyway, Ukraine points out it kinda kills head to head executive negotiations to a peace, so...appears the Euro's did both a favor and the war goes on.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2023, 12:45:59 PM
I heard 400K people left Russia over Ukraine war? Is that true?
Putin says, good my political opposition just left.
Draft dodgers are allowed even welcomed to leave. Getting back in may be difficult.


https://youtu.be/g99_PK0Ob9M?t=249
Romania and Moldova Unite? Europe's Newest Nation
5 % pop Gagauzia portion. Turkish Christian Orthodox. Want to be independent if Moldova joins Romania. Held a vote. Prefer Russia. Also Tranistria. Romania is a member of NATO and EU.

Great, more squatters. 

We should be flooding Cuba with Americans, have them declare independence and intervene militarily in a special military operation if necessary to secure their claim.

You go  first.
Most countries visited by Bald and Bankrupt are more endearing than I thought. Cuba was the biggest exception.
What a sh*thole full of depressed people. His GF smuggled a street kitten out of Cuba in her bra, then into Europe and did not get caught.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2023, 12:46:35 PM

I don't have original source.
Hersh says govt sources tell him US might get involved directly in Ukraine if it looks like Kiev is losing and wants to agree to demilitarization. US would say it is NATO.

https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2023, 10:33:18 AM
I heard 400K people left Russia over Ukraine war? Is that true?
Putin says, good my political opposition just left.
Draft dodgers are allowed even welcomed to leave. Getting back in may be difficult.


https://youtu.be/g99_PK0Ob9M?t=249
Romania and Moldova Unite? Europe's Newest Nation
5 % pop Gagauzia portion. Turkish Christian Orthodox. Want to be independent if Moldova joins Romania. Held a vote. Prefer Russia. Also Tranistria. Romania is a member of NATO and EU.

Great, more squatters. 

We should be flooding Cuba with Americans, have them declare independence and intervene militarily in a special military operation if necessary to secure their claim.

You go  first.
Most countries visited by Bald and Bankrupt are more endearing than I thought. Cuba was the biggest exception.
What a sh*thole full of depressed people. His GF smuggled a street kitten out of Cuba in her bra, then into Europe and did not get caught.

I wouldn't mind going...as part of a integrated plan to take that island over...  :D

But I suspect old farts may not be prime candidates...

 :P

PS-If it is the same girlfriend I recall...she could damn near smuggle an adult cat in there!   ;D
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2023, 10:37:10 AM

I don't have original source.
Hersh says govt sources tell him US might get involved directly in Ukraine if it looks like Kiev is losing and wants to agree to demilitarization. US would say it is NATO.

https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY

Umm...

Others have said the same.

Seems now is the time to see if it is BS or wishful thinking...

Aren't the Rus with their fascist Wagner Group in the vanguard in Bakhmut have that fully surrounded and Uke's being slaughtered by the tens of thousands and now Putin is ready to unleash a million troops to finish off the rest of Ukraine?

Seems an answer grows near..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2023, 01:00:01 PM

I don't have original source.
Hersh says govt sources tell him US might get involved directly in Ukraine if it looks like Kiev is losing and wants to agree to demilitarization. US would say it is NATO.

https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY (https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY)

Umm...

Others have said the same.

Seems now is the time to see if it is BS or wishful thinking...

Aren't the Rus with their fascist Wagner Group in the vanguard in Bakhmut have that fully surrounded and Uke's being slaughtered by the tens of thousands and now Putin is ready to unleash a million troops to finish off the rest of Ukraine?

Seems an answer grows near..

My reaction almost everything predicted is "We shall see. Time will tell."

Ritter that the Russians are very legalistic. Huh? He explained later. He was Russian college major of some sort. Legal does not mean just.
Soviet secret police arrest a person, jail him, get a confession written under torture and threats to family, goes to trial in front of a judge who hears his oral and written confessions, sentences him to the gulag. All the boxes are checked. Russian quirk.

Why not just throw him into the gulag? No legal process.  In Chile you got a one way helicopter rise.

So, fast forward to Ukraine. Negotiations. Appeals from LPR and DPR to invade and/or allow them to join Russia.
Nope. Not legal under international law. So, they declare they are independent counties, RU recognized them, forms a joint defense agreement with them, notices the Kiev forces ready to invade and increased shelling, invokes doctrine of pre-emptive self-defense, and invades.  Some of this international law was created or invoked by US.  All the legal boxes checked. I doubt the US has attacked many without similar legalese.

Prior to the above, how could RU legally send troops into LPR/DPR? Against the RU constitution to send troops into a foreign country.Illegal. What to do? The Wagner group! I am not saying there were zero regular RU military in LPR/DPR. Maybe on leave? Now I think I know one source of the little green men? Started in 2014. Private armies are illegal in RU. Inside RU?????

Quote
PS-If it is the same girlfriend I recall...she could damn near smuggle an adult cat in there!   ;D

Yup. Same one. I like em like that. Kitten spent time in his underwear also.

If ever want a complicated example of the mess left behind over there, check out bald and bankrupt visiting Sokh.


I don't have original source.
Hersh says govt sources tell him US might get involved directly in Ukraine if it looks like Kiev is losing and wants to agree to demilitarization. US would say it is NATO.

https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY (https://youtu.be/d4dcFDY2-yY)

Umm...

Others have said the same.

Seems now is the time to see if it is BS or wishful thinking...

Aren't the Rus with their fascist Wagner Group in the vanguard in Bakhmut have that fully surrounded and Uke's being slaughtered by the tens of thousands and now Putin is ready to unleash a million troops to finish off the rest of Ukraine?

Seems an answer grows near..

My reaction almost everything predicted is "We shall see. Time will tell."

Ritter that the Russians are very legalistic. Huh? He explained later. He was Russian college major of some sort. Legal does not mean just.
Soviet secret police arrest a person, jail him, get a confession written under torture and threats to family, goes to trial in front of a judge who hears his oral and written confessions, sentences him to the gulag. All the boxes are checked. Russian quirk.

Why not just throw him into the gulag? No legal process.  In Chile you got a one way helicopter rise.

So, fast forward to Ukraine. Negotiations. Appeals from LPR and DPR to invade and/or allow them to join Russia.
Nope. Not legal under international law. So, they declare they are independent counties, RU recognized them, forms a joint defense agreement with them, notices the Kiev forces ready to invade and increased shelling, invokes doctrine of pre-emptive self-defense, and invades.  Some of this international law was created or invoked by US.  All the legal boxes checked. I doubt the US has attacked many without similar legalese.

Prior to the above, how could RU legally send troops into LPR/DPR? Against the RU constitution to send troops into a foreign country.Illegal. What to do? The Wagner group! I am not saying there were zero regular RU military in LPR/DPR. Maybe on leave? Now I think I know one source of the little green men? Started in 2014. Private armies are illegal in RU. Inside RU?????

Quote
PS-If it is the same girlfriend I recall...she could damn near smuggle an adult cat in there!   ;D

Yup. Same one. I like em like that. Kitten spent time in his underwear also.

If you want an example of the mess over there. Sokh.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So%CA%BBx_District (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So%CA%BBx_District)
https://www.voanews.com/a/south-central-asia_two-remote-uzbek-exclaves-two-different-paths/6210071.html (https://www.voanews.com/a/south-central-asia_two-remote-uzbek-exclaves-two-different-paths/6210071.html)

The collapse of the Soviet Union left thousands of people living in enclaves — portions of one country surrounded by another. For the residents, this presents unique challenges; merely to visit their own nation’s capital requires them to carry a passport and cross foreign territory.

Uzbekistan, celebrating its 30th anniversary of independence, maintains four exclaves in the heart of Central Asia’s Ferghana Valley. All are within the borders of neighboring Kyrgyzstan. The two largest, Sokh and Shohimardon, are proudly Uzbek. Yet for decades, the government in Tashkent did not invest in them.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2023, 01:49:01 PM
Two US ex military (?) go to Ukr on vacation. Stay there and run a fundraising scam. Take the money for Ukr soldiers and keep it. $3M. Only govts are allowed to do this!

https://youtu.be/RwaoNKx0f88
 US Soldiers In Ukraine STOLE $3 Million+ & LIED About Service
The Dive with Jackson
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2023, 08:26:24 AM
Well...with the examples being set by this corrupt regime from top to bottom...these assholes fit right in.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2023, 08:34:39 AM
More diplomatic pissing contests....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-expel-30-russian-diplomats-berlin-spying-fears-ratchet (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/germany-expel-30-russian-diplomats-berlin-spying-fears-ratchet)

Tactical nukes in Belarus...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-urges-emergency-un-security-meeting-over-putin-plan-put-nukes-belarus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-urges-emergency-un-security-meeting-over-putin-plan-put-nukes-belarus)

...but if there are already aircraft capable of delivering some of them...then I would think those are already there.

It's likely more of the same and other delivery methods are scheduled for insertion into Belarus.

Future looks bright...like vaporizingly bright.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 30, 2023, 10:59:59 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-arrests-wsj-reporter-suspicion-espionage (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-arrests-wsj-reporter-suspicion-espionage)

A spy?  I doubt it, looks about as sneaky and clever as Opie...

A mouthpiece for DeepState, sure...I'll buy that...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 30, 2023, 08:22:01 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1224urm/jimmy_carters_nsa_advisor_brzezinski_predicted_a/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/chomsky/comments/1224urm/jimmy_carters_nsa_advisor_brzezinski_predicted_a/)
Jimmy Carter's NSA advisor, Brzezinski, predicted a "China-Russia-Iran coalition over common grievance" 25 years ago
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r/chomsky - Jimmy Carter's NSA advisor, Brzezinski, predicted a "China-Russia-Iran coalition over common grievance" 25 years ago
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 31, 2023, 08:32:55 AM
Well, he and his dipsh*t boss projected weakness from the get-go and let a bunch of radical students whom the brainiacs at CIA underrated overthrow the country and turn it into the 7th century savage nation of Mahdi Death Cultists on the precipice of initiating nuclear war in the Middle East with not insignificant credit going to Russia et al for helping make it possible.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 03, 2023, 10:04:23 AM
Stahl is one dumb puppet...

"Russia would be on Poland's border"?

Seen any map in the last several decades, moron?

https://rumble.com/v2fypp6-mtg-dropkicks-60-minutes-hack-lesley-stahls-war-machine-mockingbird-talking.html (https://rumble.com/v2fypp6-mtg-dropkicks-60-minutes-hack-lesley-stahls-war-machine-mockingbird-talking.html)

Should have said "I realize now trying to talk sense with the mentally-impaired is a futile act, I'm sorry for your affliction, but I will do whatever is in my power to do what is right for the American people and I apologize for wasting both of our time".

Meanwhile...back in-country...Vlad's Nazi's claim Bakhmut though fighting still goes on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wagner-raises-russian-flag-center-bakhmut-fighting-rages (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wagner-raises-russian-flag-center-bakhmut-fighting-rages)

And it sounds like all the tanks and stuff will be in-play around late April/early May...and coincide with Russia's Spring offensive plans...unless they jump earlier...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2023, 08:23:04 AM
Good Lord...have the spooks at Langley descended into Three Stooges incompetence!!!!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dont-talk-about-nord-stream-details-wapo-report-upend-official-narrative (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/dont-talk-about-nord-stream-details-wapo-report-upend-official-narrative)

And their favorite MFM lapdog looks like an abused puppy!

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 04, 2023, 11:50:20 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/putin-threatens-to-eliminate-us-world-dominance-accuses-the-us-and-its-allies-of-unleashing-a-new-type-of-hybrid-war/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/putin-threatens-to-eliminate-us-world-dominance-accuses-the-us-and-its-allies-of-unleashing-a-new-type-of-hybrid-war/)

He continues to consistently convey the undeniable underpinnings of the tortured Russian psyche as directly and elegantly as ever.

Cliff Notes summary - 99.9% we will not yield a millimeter! & 0.1% we are ready for dialogue and cooperation.

Heh!

Practical effect on the conflict?  Zero.

If anything breaks the satalemate it will have to be European in origin...

Which means the Euro governments are much more in the overt/covert crosshairs of the Rus than America is...the latter being destroyed from within by Marxist/Globalist trash requiring the Rus to do nothing but watch and snicker.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 04, 2023, 12:53:19 PM
 I kept hearing Kiev say there will be  a spring offensive. I have heard sources I respect say there will be some sort of major counter attack. We shall see.

The way I see it Kiev cannot be seen to be losing as that will decrease funds and arms shipments. Losing ground is seen as losing so they hold onto ground no matter the cost. If they lose 10K in a battle they do not have to disclose that so that is not losing. Ray McGovern said CIA mentor told him if you want to know what USSR is up to just listen because they are telling you. Russia says a goal is to de-militarize Ukraine. IMO that is what they doing by killing lots of Kiev soldiers.

IMO if there is a counter attack RU may well cede ground in a hurry to preserve men as they are not under the same political constraints as Kiev. They have done that in this war.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 06, 2023, 11:30:48 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-pledges-active-peace-role-after-macron-urges-him-bring-russia-its-senses (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/xi-pledges-active-peace-role-after-macron-urges-him-bring-russia-its-senses)

If the Unholy Macron believes that BS...he is far dumber than he already looks...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 06, 2023, 09:21:58 PM
Yeah. The smart money is not on westerners telling Xi what to do right now.
Now, leaders of Germany, France, and Ukraine present at the Minsk meetings have all said that they never had any intentions of implementing Minsk, as they were just negotiations to buy time to arm up the Ukraine military. So the likelihood of Putin falling for negotiations a third time is very low.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 06, 2023, 10:34:20 PM
I never much looked into the ethnic history of various regions of modern Ukraine.I had some high level ideas. Recently there was this ICC set of charges brought against Putin for 'kidnapping Ukrainian children'.  Someone here, maybe Libertas wrote about Russians invading or squatting in Ukraine. I see ethnic Ukrainians moving to Russian cities for economic opportunities.

Here is what I found recently.Mykolaiv is a city on a river that feeds into the Dnipro and is west of Kherson city.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mykolaiv
Ethnicity    1897[39]    1926[40]    1939[41]    1959[42]    1989[43]    2001[43]    2017[44]
Ukrainians    8.5%    29.9%    49.7%    59.7%    63.2%    72.6%    84%
Russians    66.3%    44.6%    31.0%    30.3%    31.2%    22.6%    12%
As of 2017, 63% of the population spoke Russian at home, 7% Ukrainian, and 28% spoke both Ukrainian and Russian equally.[44]

Kherson city
The city was founded by decree of Catherine the Great on 18 June 1778 on the high bank of the Dnieper as a central fortress of the Black Sea Fleet after the Russian annexation of the territory in 1774. The city was established in place of the Russian-built fort or sconce "Saint Alexander" which existed at least since 1737 and also served as one of administrative centers of the Zaporizhian Sich and run by local Cossacks. The fort was built during the Russo-Turkish War and improved some 30 years later.

In 1897 the population of the city was 59,076 of which, on the basis of their first language, almost half were recorded as Great Russian, 30% as Jewish, and 20% Ukrainian.[8]

Ethnicity

As of Ukrainian National Census in 2001, the ethnic groups living within Kherson included:

    Ukrainians – 76.6%
    Russians – 20.0%
    Other – 3.4%

Languages
Languages    1897[72]    2001[73]
Ukrainian    19.6%    53.4%
Russian    47.2%    45.3%
Yiddish    29.1%    


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv
Kharkiv was founded in 1654 as a fortress, and grew to become a major centre of industry, trade, and Ukrainian culture in the Russian Empire. At the beginning of the 20th century, the city was predominantly Russian in population, but as industrial expansion drew in further labor from the distressed countryside, and as the Soviet Union moderated previous restrictions on Ukrainian cultural expression, Ukrainians became the largest ethnic group in the city by the eve of World War II. From December 1919 to January 1934, Kharkiv was the first capital of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic.

Ethnicity
Ethnic group    1897[40]    1926    1939    1959[41]    1989[136]    2001[139][140][dubious – discuss]
Ukrainians    25.9%    38.6%    48.5%    48.4%    50.4%    62.8%
Russians    63.2%    37.2%    32.9%    40.4%    43.6%    33.2%
Jews    5.7%    19.5%    15.6%    8.7%    3.0%    0.7
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2023, 08:43:15 AM
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 07, 2023, 12:44:14 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/nato-intel-leak-or-disinformation/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/04/nato-intel-leak-or-disinformation/)

Whatever...

But, probably indicates a Rus offensive would be optimal following Orthodox Easter...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 07, 2023, 03:29:30 PM
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

Yup. For those cities. I have no idea what the current stats are for those cities.
In cities like Bakhmut I would hope the civilians have all fled. There are always some stubborn old coots who refuse to leave. Ask me how I know about such people.

In a couple places being fought over in recent months, some Kiev soldiers complain that 80% of the locals want the Russians to win and rat the Kiev forces out. So there is that.

No disrespect to the poster, but why were people butt hurt about the leaked military doc? Was there something new?

Also, this is nothing different. This shows why the the US MSM does not allow any reporters in Russian controlled areas. There are independents like the US expat, reporting since around 2008? . Al Jazzera, some non western outlets, but no western MSM. Like the iron curtain in reverse.

Here, is a very new video from Donetsk city central market, during a crowded time of day. Hit by some Czech variants of grad rockets call vampires. Typical target for 9 years now. When I used to view telegram too much I would find video clips of Kiev troops explaining why they did this. To drove the subhuman Russians off our sacred land.

https://youtu.be/WJqchJMW9Ok
 Czech Rockets Injure 16 and kill at least one civilian in Donetsk
Patrick Lancaster
535K subscribers
6,362 views  Apr 7, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Today Ukraine opened fire on center Donetsk with 10 ,Purportedly,  Czech supplied "RM-70 Vampire" rockets.
Please watch full report so you understand what the people of Donetsk are living through.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 07, 2023, 06:48:43 PM
Maybe this explains some of the butt hurt. 100 documents!?
https://t.me/c/1670195924/908
🇺🇸New Batch of Classified Documents Appear on Social Media Sites - New York Times


Secret documents that appear to detail American national security secrets on Ukraine, the Middle East and China have surfaced online.

A new batch of classified documents that appear to detail American national security secrets from Ukraine to the Middle East to China surfaced on social media sites on Friday, alarming the Pentagon and adding turmoil to a situation that seemed to have caught the Biden administration off guard.The scale of the leak — analysts say more than 100 documents may have been obtained — along with the sensitivity of the documents themselves, could be hugely damaging, officials said. A senior intelligence officials called the leak “a nightmare for the Five Eyes,” in a reference to the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the so-called Five Eyes nations that broadly share intelligence.The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites on Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an assessment of Ukraine’s air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official, said the leak of the classified documents represents “a significant breach in security” that could hinder Ukrainian military planning. “As many of these were pictures of documents, it appears that it was a deliberate leak done by someone that wished to damage the Ukraine, U.S., and NATO efforts,” he said.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2023, 08:14:03 AM
So doesn't this data undermine the reason behind the annexation?

Yup. For those cities. I have no idea what the current stats are for those cities.
In cities like Bakhmut I would hope the civilians have all fled. There are always some stubborn old coots who refuse to leave. Ask me how I know about such people.

In a couple places being fought over in recent months, some Kiev soldiers complain that 80% of the locals want the Russians to win and rat the Kiev forces out. So there is that.

No disrespect to the poster, but why were people butt hurt about the leaked military doc? Was there something new?

Also, this is nothing different. This shows why the the US MSM does not allow any reporters in Russian controlled areas. There are independents like the US expat, reporting since around 2008? . Al Jazzera, some non western outlets, but no western MSM. Like the iron curtain in reverse.

Here, is a very new video from Donetsk city central market, during a crowded time of day. Hit by some Czech variants of grad rockets call vampires. Typical target for 9 years now. When I used to view telegram too much I would find video clips of Kiev troops explaining why they did this. To drove the subhuman Russians off our sacred land.

https://youtu.be/WJqchJMW9Ok
 Czech Rockets Injure 16 and kill at least one civilian in Donetsk
Patrick Lancaster
535K subscribers
6,362 views  Apr 7, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Today Ukraine opened fire on center Donetsk with 10 ,Purportedly,  Czech supplied "RM-70 Vampire" rockets.
Please watch full report so you understand what the people of Donetsk are living through.

Sacred Land...heh!  This land in my land, this land ain't your land...la la la...  (snort!)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2023, 08:20:11 AM
Maybe this explains some of the butt hurt. 100 documents!?
https://t.me/c/1670195924/908
🇺🇸New Batch of Classified Documents Appear on Social Media Sites - New York Times


Secret documents that appear to detail American national security secrets on Ukraine, the Middle East and China have surfaced online.

A new batch of classified documents that appear to detail American national security secrets from Ukraine to the Middle East to China surfaced on social media sites on Friday, alarming the Pentagon and adding turmoil to a situation that seemed to have caught the Biden administration off guard.The scale of the leak — analysts say more than 100 documents may have been obtained — along with the sensitivity of the documents themselves, could be hugely damaging, officials said. A senior intelligence officials called the leak “a nightmare for the Five Eyes,” in a reference to the United States, Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada, the so-called Five Eyes nations that broadly share intelligence.The latest documents were found on Twitter and other sites on Friday, a day after senior Biden administration officials said they were investigating a potential leak of classified Ukrainian war plans, include an assessment of Ukraine’s air defense capabilities. One slide, dated Feb. 23, is labeled “Secret/NoForn,” meaning it was not meant to be shared with foreign countries.Mick Mulroy, a former senior Pentagon official, said the leak of the classified documents represents “a significant breach in security” that could hinder Ukrainian military planning. “As many of these were pictures of documents, it appears that it was a deliberate leak done by someone that wished to damage the Ukraine, U.S., and NATO efforts,” he said.

Yeah...been letting this one simmer myself...still haven't made up my mind as yet...

These are photos of docs...so not sure if that means easier to fabricate or a rushed effort to capture and release the data...the former is nefarious and the latter suspicious...and this is the Old Gray Whore reporting this, and they take their marching orders from DOJ/Amerikan KGB...

I need to do some more digging/thinking on this before I can determine if it is legit or some sort of inter-DeepState competition...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2023, 12:57:17 PM
OK, I got a problem with this legit-but-some-data-altered crap in the linked video!

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/04/09/sunday-talks-intel-commitee-member-rep-brad-wenstrup-discusses-recent-classified-information-leaks/

Could be disnfo, could be Russians! ?!?!?!

Russia, Russia, Russia!!!  Yeah, stick that crap up your ass!  Makes me think this BS was floated by the Red China/Ukraine-owned muppet as yet another distraction to gin up more Russia Hoax BS, wouldn't be surprised if some startling new Russian-controlled "asset" gets patsied by these Fedsurrectionist bastards!  They just keep recycling debunked lies!

And, Sundance appears to agree...he makes mention of the use of IC-controlled socialist media as a cut-out to spread IC desired narratives...what we sane people would call legit disinformation - ie-our DeepState government bureaucrats are LYING to is citizens for its own craven purposes!

And maybe distracting the Hollande admission is the purpose.  I think there is more to it than that, they always have a link to the next phase of chicanery...these totalitarians are not done f**king around!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 10, 2023, 02:52:33 PM
There are ancestral lands in current day Ukraine. Roughly Poles in west, Ukrainians in the center, and Russians in the east. If Stalin had drawn the Ukraine boundaries between the Ukrainians and Russians there would not be such a big problem today. Also, the (ethnic) Ukrainians migrated to the (ethnic) Russian lands for economic opportunity. The problem is that the Ukrainians have rewritten their history books used in schools now to teach that much more was ancestral ethnic Ukrainian land. Some snarky anti CCP YT channel recites "part of China since ancient times" whenever they mention Tibet.

To make things real confusing, when the Kiev forces shell the residential civilian areas in the Donbass will tell you they want to drive the subhuman Russians off their sacred land.  When the orphans leave for Russia they become kidnapped Ukrainian children.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 10, 2023, 03:45:37 PM
Everybody is greedy, mean, stupid and not worth a damn all around this retarded circus...

Best thing that could happen is all participants losing...too bad that won't happen...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 10, 2023, 05:11:59 PM


“God created war so that Americans would learn geography.”

? Mark Twain
Americans like me.
I kept hearing weird place names from some more historical minded analysts.

So, I learned about Galicia, extending from Krakow in the west to Kiev in the east. Part of the Austro Hungarian empire. That empire was at war with Russia in WWI so they ginned up Russia hatred. Some Russians in eastern Galicia and if caught speaking or reading Russian got strung up from nearest tree. Later nasty concentration camp for them. Then they pushed a Ukrainian nationalism (you are nothing like those Russians) as it suited their political interests.

The tsar fell and Bolsheviks took over. They pushed Ukrainian nationalism as it suited their interests to thwart the white Russians. Lenin died and Stalin put an end to the Ukrainian nationalism as far as I understand it.

After WWII the CIA backed NAZIs in Ukraine region to pester USSR 1946-52. Some escaped to US and Canada and some went to gulags, later released to move the US, ,Canada, and Kiev. This is why you find plenty of swastikas and SS tatoos in Ukraine but illegal in Germany and most of EU.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 11, 2023, 08:17:04 AM
We and the Soviets liked Nazi's after the war and for the same reasons...like having a space program...and using them to check the others post-war agenda's.

Not the first or last time in history people used other people...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 12, 2023, 08:02:57 AM
This is priceless and speaks right to one of my central points about the Rus and their mythology as preeminent Slavic Master....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-west-are-recruiting-youth-sabotage-ops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-west-are-recruiting-youth-sabotage-ops)

So, either they are saying their Russian youth are very easily indoctrinated by bumbling Western agitators...or that their Russian youth perhaps are not as Russian as they would have people believe...so, which is it?

 ::pokeineye::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 12, 2023, 08:30:51 PM
This is priceless and speaks right to one of my central points about the Rus and their mythology as preeminent Slavic Master....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-west-are-recruiting-youth-sabotage-ops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-fsb-says-ukraine-west-are-recruiting-youth-sabotage-ops)

So, either they are saying their Russian youth are very easily indoctrinated by bumbling Western agitators...or that their Russian youth perhaps are not as Russian as they would have people believe...so, which is it?

 ::pokeineye::

I don't think they are that successful. The woman who bombed the 29 year RU woman was skilled, trained, and backed. Ukrainian I think. She was out of the country in no time.

The woman who planted the bomb in the cafe recently was kinda fragile and damaged goods. She was seduced into doing it then left to twist in the wind. From what I heard she knew she was carrying a bomb.  She was a vegan, need I say more?

There was a narrative making the rounds a month ago. Maybe it is dead. When an explosion would go off in Belarus or RU, Kiev would claim it was done by local "partisans." I had not heard that word in a long time. In one case I think it was a drone that did the damage.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 12, 2023, 08:37:24 PM
I had talking heads on in background. On the recent leaked papers. Apparently they are real. Some of the contents may suck but they are real. Some talk about some versions being photo shopped? Photos taken of real paper docs folded and smuggled out. The leaker will likely be caught according to Ritter.

The most important aspect of the papers is they can disclose sources and methods which can then be shut off. Ritter says going over such docs is standard work for intelligence guys, and he used to do it daily in some positions. The Russians are doing it now. The look  at each sentence and ask how the US could obtain this info. Human sources are not likely revealed at such info is locked down tight.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 14, 2023, 06:29:16 PM
We know the MFM is complicit in the cover up if the contents, Tucker went deep into it, they talk not about the incendiary contents (sound familiar - Snowden, Assange!) but ask Pentagon "what can we do to help you stop it?" & are caught red handed helping IC catch the NG kid!  They exposed themselves as agents of a despotic government?  Oh where are all those pot smoking hippies who didn't trust government?  They ALL became corrupt government lackeys!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2023, 04:12:04 PM
I wonder if the 21 year old had legit clearance or if someone who did above him was sloppy?  Wonder if heads will roll if he did not have clearance. I remember thinking that Snowden had access to way too much material. I realize he had legit clearance but it seemed that little was compartmentalized.

on edit:
Col Macgregor was very careful on this subject as he had no first hand knowledge. He said it would be unusual for a 21 year old to have the "NOFO" (no foreign) clearance.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 15, 2023, 07:58:49 PM
MSM says he got top secret clearance at 19.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 16, 2023, 02:42:47 PM


Some recent congress votes on withdrawing from Syria 100 votes for 321 against.
"If we don't fight them over there we will fight them over here."

Max Blumenthal "If we don't stop the necons over here they will kills millions over there."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 16, 2023, 03:44:51 PM

Meh. Another example of why the western MSM reporters are not allowed to report from the Russian controlled areas. Harder to beg for more missiles when you use 20 on Eastern orthodox Easter night mass on Donestk city. Maybe to hit any procession?

The Kinzhal strike below is from weeks ago, not a now one.
https://youtu.be/P138j-DLPYM
Ukraine Shells Donetsk Cathedral Easter Night. 160 NATO Officers Killed In Kinzhal Strike.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 16, 2023, 04:15:20 PM

Video at link.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/23801
??A woman died as a result of the shelling of the centre of Donetsk on Easter night

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/23802
...
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/23810
Ukrainian GRADs fell not only on the territory of the Transfiguration Cathedral, but also fell right into the centre of the shopping arcade of the Covered Market. As a result of the attack on a festive night, with a woman died 6 people were injured.


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/23812
After the church service, people were driving home, and they didn't make it home.  Came under fire.  The victims of the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were people who came to the temple for the Easter service https://t.me/dimsmirnov175/46749

https://t.me/c/1567469683/1023161
https://t.me/c/1567469683/1023162
Tragic details of the shelling of the Donetsk church on Easter night.

As Igor, the driver of the damaged car, said, they consecrated Easter cakes and eggs in the Spaso-Preobrazhensky Cathedral and drove home.

In the area of the Covered Market, the car was pierced by fragments of a shell of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Igor himself and two members of his family were wounded, and his pregnant employee was killed. She was pierced with shrapnel.

Also at this time, the subdeacon of this cathedral was wounded.

Donbass decides


[note kindergarten was not in use as such]
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/26181
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/26182
??1 woman KILLED and at least 6 injured by Ukrainian army rocket strike on Cathedral in Donetsk Republic (DPR, ex-Ukraine).

Top video shows horrifying moment of Kiev regime WAR CRIME, with smoke filling air as rockets land around church in Ochertenino, DPR, all while worshippers were celebrating Orthodox Easter (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/18441).

Kiev regime heartless as it strikes Donbass on holy day, with bottom vid showing Donetsk kindergarten IN FLAMES following Ukrainian army artillery volley.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2023, 09:16:54 AM
Well, I remember Patton and others slaughtering on Christmas...war isn't for pussies or idiots.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 20, 2023, 11:19:29 AM

Those were mostly armies fighting armies. I am a little surprised the US does not restrain the US of HIMARs to military targets, as they are sometimes used on these civilian residential attacks in Donestk city.

Then again Dresden and the Tokyo firestorms ...
I read a book just on the firestorms in Tokyo. Spaced bombs too far apart and no firestorm. Too close and wasted bombs. First explosives to open up the buildings and make kindling. Then  incendiaries. Shake and bake. Original recipe.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 20, 2023, 11:35:07 AM
People can call it what they want...it's war...and short of treatment of POWs and parleys there are no rules...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 21, 2023, 12:49:25 PM
an abnormal descent of aviation ammunition has occurred

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-explosion-rocks-russian-border-city-after-jets-accidental-bomb-release (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-explosion-rocks-russian-border-city-after-jets-accidental-bomb-release)

Pilot - "...agh, not good..."

Control - "Do I want to ask?"

Pilot - "Munition left the wing...is falling on the city..."

Control - (garbled)

Pilot - "I touch nothing, it just fell off"

Control - "Great, more damned paperwork!"  "Stand by"  (minute pause) "Command says to use term 'abnormal descent of aviation ammunition' in reports and press releases"

Nice to see it's not just the West that likes to spin things...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 21, 2023, 04:08:25 PM
an abnormal descent of aviation ammunition has occurred

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-explosion-rocks-russian-border-city-after-jets-accidental-bomb-release (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-explosion-rocks-russian-border-city-after-jets-accidental-bomb-release)

Pilot - "...agh, not good..."

Control - "Do I want to ask?"

Pilot - "Munition left the wing...is falling on the city..."

Control - (garbled)

Pilot - "I touch nothing, it just fell off"

Control - "Great, more damned paperwork!"  "Stand by"  (minute pause) "Command says to use term 'abnormal descent of aviation ammunition' in reports and press releases"

Nice to see it's not just the West that likes to spin things...

This has been confirmed, but not the exact details. I vaguely recall a US plane, maybe B36(?)  hitting rough weather and an A bomb was jarred lose and fell to earth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 22, 2023, 06:27:51 PM

Not sure where to post this. Someone has posted about the WEF training and the future leaders training and it turns out many of the current globalist leaders went through such training years past.

It has been noted that many current leaders do not care about what is best for their citizens but more about the opinions of their fellow globalists. Some German green party member and current govt official said she does not care what Germans want, she wants to harm Russia.

If I was in charge of some EU or Nordic or Baltic country I would do what is best for my country going forward. Instead they want to "do something" about Ukraine regardless of what the result is. Who do they trade with? Who will they have to get long with in 5 years? What have the past 5 years been like? As the US has the attention span of a goldfish, what shiny object will the US be chasing after in 5 years?

Right now, the Baltic govt officials are like Chihuahuas barking at the Russian bear through the fence. They get their 15 min of fame. Then what?

I recall years ago Russia had some major trading partner that was removed in some areas through sanctions. That partner was Ukraine! What about them I ranted at the time? No one cares.

There was a massive industrial Ukraine company Motosich as I recall. Planes, helicopters, gas turbines They sold to Russia then that ended. Sanctions  No more sales. Screwed. Then finally China came along to steal their IP, I mean trade with them. Invested a big chunk for part ownership. Later Kiev nationalized the company. Not a smart move. Russia had not attacked the company as it was Chinese owned in large part. Not any more!

People speculate that China told Russia to go ahead and pull the trigger. BOOM!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 24, 2023, 09:18:45 AM
Yeah, the Klaus Schwab WEF (Hydra more like it) has "trained" many "leaders" and continues to do so...it's literally grooming the demonic elite...

Anyway, as for "It has been noted that many current leaders do not care about what is best for their citizens but more about the opinions of their fellow globalists."

Change "globalists" to "globalist/cronies" and you now cover 100% of the controlling leadership of every single nation on the planet.

I say to Hell with them all.

As for Russia...going to be hard to find people who feel sorry for them or fully trust them...for the simple reason they have been historically dominated by them in every way possible...they've made their primary business model to be the go-to vendor for the worst and most despotic and evil regimes on the planet...and they winge like a spoiled mistress passed her prime about everything...

Russia started to suck since Catherine the Great passed away...Alexander I carried on her Western orientation but by the time of Nicholas I who was fond of his Army but domestically became more autocratic and the rot in Russia became exposed in the Crimean War as they looked all around weak and backward...Alexander II ended serfdom and did a lot of reforms and such and tried to cement a European focus while still expanding its borders...it all started to go to crap under the lunatic Alexander III who turned away from Europe and poor Nicholas II inherited his fathers mess and we all know what happened after that...

I would love to see Russians who slaughter Persians instead of make patty-cake with them.

Russia under Tzars, General Secretaries and Presidents all chose to reject a European identity...

Their choice...and nobody can make people like them just because they want it to happen...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 24, 2023, 09:42:16 PM

I had this on in backround today and wrote down some timestamps.
Patrick Lancaster was in Novaya kakhova, in  Kherson oblast. on the east side of the river.

Some  local is asked how many were for Kiev/Russia. He says it used to be 50/50 now 90-95%, IMO because of the shelling and many pro Kiev left.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=2320

Driving around with the mayor.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=2823

Lady says over half support RU.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=3220

Lady is asked why Ukraine keeps shelling them. She says because of their anger. Because we keep living. This is consistent with everything I heard from years ago from both sides.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=3318

They go to a hospital. The machine translation is confusing. I think the patients requiring surgery are transported elsewhere because the hospital is getting shelled.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=3560

Anya talks about what changed after the US backed coup. FYI before the coup the language for children's education was  parental choice.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=3739

Mayor drives some more. More shelled hospital, schools closed because of shelling. IMP this is why CNN will not report from such places.
https://youtu.be/3Xjo6dZbrPw?t=4068
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2023, 08:17:14 AM
When the openly stated Rus goal in Ukraine is in their exact terms to de-militarize and de-nazify...a certain amount of anger is matched...yes?

And, it invites more anger and policies based in anger...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-adopts-new-laws-requiring-public-places-be-de-russified (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-adopts-new-laws-requiring-public-places-be-de-russified)

Far be it for anyone to dare suggest the Czar and Z to revisit their extremist aims and dial back the hatreds...but, history runs deep, as does ego...so no, there is no talking common sense, there is no ratcheting down the hatreds...expecting anything different is just totally unrealistic and ignorant.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 25, 2023, 11:58:19 AM
I am not sure about the Baltics, but most of Europe de NAZIfied after WWII. There are lots of laws against advocating NAZI ideas and displaying NAZI symbols. Every now and then some US tourists will give the  Heil Hitler salute in front of a German war memorial. They get arrested and are adjudged ignorant rather than evil and get off with a  fine.

Lots of German NAZIs got into the post war west German govt but they had to bury the NAZI part. Depending on what day you ask them the Kiev govt is upset about the de NAZIfy part or deny NAZI ideology plays a strong role.

People motivated by NAZI ideology have long described certain other groups as sub humans or vermin. This certainly existed in 1930s Germany. Now people  in the west either deny that Kiev troops are NAZI motivated or blame such 2014 and earlier  hatred on the 2022 invasion.

In the video I posted, the Kherson oblast anesthesiologist Anya described the schooling changes around 2015 I believe. IMO the ethnic hatred preceded the 2022 invasion. It really ramped up after the coup.

I understand why Ukrainians would fight the soviets in WWII. They also chose to drink the NAZI cool aid and tossed maybe 10K civilians a week into ravines and many still worship Bandera who was behind the wet work. Many people in the west refuse to believe that people with Bandera/Hitler/SS tattoos might have a belief system that predates the 2022 invasion.

Jacob Dreizin linked to a video clip from a 2014 Kiev night club.  The US has been in many wars but I do not recall this being accepted public behavior in any of those wars, including WWII.

https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/10/21/suitcase-with-no-handle/
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You ain’t seen nothin’, until you’ve seen the below video.

I’ve sat on this for a long time.

This is from an elite Kiev nightclub, 2014, shortly after the coup, revolution, or whatever you want to call it.

They are serving a cake with a Russian flag and a realistic, live-size “Russian infant”, lying on its back atop the flag.

The server cuts the baby from groin to head.  People love it.

One girl asks if the diaper is edible, another says she wants the tummy.

One guy jokes, “Putin, help!” while another shouts pleadingly, “Ruuuussia, Ruuuuussia!!!“…..

…..indicating the baby is the people of the Donbass (Donetsk and Lugansk) and other Russians or pro-Russians in southeast Ukraine, who were hoping for the Russian army to move in at that time.

There’s more than just a few people here, it’s packed.

Of course, like everyone in Kiev (back then, anyway), they’re all speaking Russian.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 25, 2023, 12:56:39 PM
Much worse going on in California, Chicago, Paris, London, Tehran, Gaza, Lebanon, China, North Korea, Venezuela...nobody cares about any of that either...

Let people behave like animals and they will...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 26, 2023, 09:37:24 PM


I often have roku on or skim headlines. Lots of battling headlines over the past months about the coming Kiev spring offensive.  My impression was that it meant "we say this so you will keep sending up money, then we will move it out into the future." Then pro RU sources said that some sort of offensive was likely so that made me think it was likely.

Then Kiev announced a date certain for the offensive. What military does that? I was back to no offensive likely. Then very recently Kiev said no offensive because they had not received the promised weapons. Now the US says "yes you have." WTF is going on?

Now.
https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1651329342230736897
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@Spriter99880
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Kyiv doubts the Pentagon's assessment that Ukraine received more than 98% of the promised military equipment from the West, Mikhail Podolyak, an adviser to the head of the presidential office of Ukraine, said.

https://twitter.com/Spriter99880/status/1650929419479916544
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Ukraine proposes to stop direct gas supplies from Russia to the European Union if the flows bypass the Ukrainian gas transportation system.

According to Kyiv, such sanctions will allow to suspend the operation of all other "pipeline routes that are now capable of transporting…

Poland could have been a connective country between RU and the west. Instead .....
Poland and Ukraine both think they are the center of the universe.

https://youtu.be/73S56Y3oFu4?t=1056
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2023, 09:08:04 AM
First, it's brilliant to tell the opposition your military plans...   ::bus::

...I guess that is what happens when you corrupt yourselves into a woke band of prancing perverts...

Second, to be fair to the Prancing Pentagon Puppets, technically they are right, they were "given" everything...

...it's up to Z to decide if he wants to admit what was peeled away in corruption or to swallow hard, launch the offensive with what trickled through the graft and suffer those consequences...

But, suffering is unavoidable...pick your flavor!

In the end it will be NATO vs the Rus...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 28, 2023, 10:02:08 PM

More of the same stuff you will not see on western TV because western media are not allowed to cover this. More rocket kits on the civilian areas like Donetsk City. Since 2014.

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1782
Ukraine forces open fire on center Donetsk again with BM-21 Grad rockets. City bus was hit burning alive and killing 7 civilians including children. Lets pray for them and families

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1783
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1784
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1785
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1786
Ukraine forces open fire on center Donetsk again with BM-21 Grad rockets. City bus was hit burning alive and killing 7 civilians including children. Lets pray for them and their families

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1787
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1788
At least 10 civilians injured as a result of a rocket hitting the traumatology hospital during the mass rocket barrage of Donetsk Donetsk that killed at least 7 including children and injured many

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1789
 The Ministry of Health in Donetsk reports that as a result of today's shelling by Ukrainian forces, the only MRI machine in the DPR was damaged.
This is a huge problem at was there was a 2 month wait for an MRI

https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday/1790
More civilian vehicles destroyed during the mass rocket barrage of Donetsk by Ukrainian forces today that killed at least 7 including children and injured many
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on April 28, 2023, 10:20:08 PM

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/12215 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/12215)
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/12216 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/12216)
Another tragic day for the people of the Donbass. Another Ukrainian war crime (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-past-few-months/ (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2022/08/10/what-ive-seen-of-ukraines-war-crimes-against-civilians-in-the-donbass-over-the-past-few-months/)), slaughtering 9 civilians in Donetsk today, including one child, and injuring at least 16 more when Ukraine rained munitions down on residential areas of the city, once again.

Another burned-out bus, the working class civilians inside grotesquely burned alive (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8900 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8900)), to predictable and deafening international silence.

Another hospital bombed, to the silence of the very same Western corporate owned media who invented stories about Russia bombing hospitals in Mariupol and in Syria. Last June when Ukraine bombed a Donetsk maternity hospital (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsLWcR21iK8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsLWcR21iK8)), the same crocodile-tears media didn't give a sh*t, nor did they when terrorists in Syria destroyed (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2021/03/26/western-media-quick-to-accuse-syria-of-bombing-hospitals-but-when-terrorists-really-destroy-syrian-hospitals-they-are-silent/ (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2021/03/26/western-media-quick-to-accuse-syria-of-bombing-hospitals-but-when-terrorists-really-destroy-syrian-hospitals-they-are-silent/)) & occupied hospitals in Aleppo, Dara'a and elsewhere.

Ukraine's shells also hit the sculpture park I walked in some days ago. At the time, I thought: it's quiet now, lovely...but I know Ukraine's shelling has targeted here before & will again.

Likewise, along stretches of Artema street, including a hospital treating war-wounded.

After filming at the ghastly site of the corpse-ridden bus, filming the damage to the hospital, I walked along Artema again, as I had several calm days ago, filming remnants of today's carnage.

That's how it goes here, how it has been here for nine years: one moment it is a relative calm and children, families, couples, elderly are strolling on sidewalks, walking or working in markets, praying at church...and the next minute, Ukrainian terrorism (that is the only appropriate word for this repeated targeting with precision weapons of civilian areas) strikes civilian areas, tear bodies apart, kills aspiring ballerinas, and litters horrific mines that mutilate limbs (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/the-donbass-my-articles-videos-interviews-from-on-the-donetsk-lugansk-peoples-republics-2019-present/ (https://ingaza.wordpress.com/the-donbass-my-articles-videos-interviews-from-on-the-donetsk-lugansk-peoples-republics-2019-present/)).

I won't apologize for being graphic. I'm not being graphic enough, in fact (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8801 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/8801)). Bottom line: the people here do not have a choice as to whether they will have their foot blown off by a Ukrainian-delivered Petal mine, or will have their bodies mangled by Ukrainian shelling of civilian areas.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on April 30, 2023, 09:52:12 AM
All Uke attacks...no Russian?  I hear the Rus took out an apartment building full of people...Pro-Rus media just as biased as any...

War, kill or be killed...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 01, 2023, 03:17:39 PM

The Russians may have blown up an apartment building. Or not. There is such a thing as objective reality. Early on in the war I recall reading that a rocket attack intended to hit a surface target was knocked off course and hit a different target. I also recall reading that some rocket intended to knock down an incoming rocket landed on an unintended target.

Now any such explosion is described as an intended target by Russia. I had roku on while half asleep. I heard that some S300 hit a surface target and Kiev said it was Russian S300 changed to hit surface targets. IMO Russia has plenty of rockets to do that job and I know that Kiev has been using S300s to knock down Russian incoming and jets.

Kiev continues to say that Russia is attacking Russian held areas like the Zap nuclear plant and Donetsk City and the western press repeats this as fact. No more objective reality. This could be cleared up by some on site investigation and this has been done in areas like Donestsk City but by independents.  The Donetsk City targets and the like are residential non military targets. That is why western MSM are not sent there.

You can learn a lot by listening. I did a lot of that early on, not much recently as it is time consuming. Let's say it is propaganda and the resulting of brain washing. You don't have to buy into the propaganda to learn from it.

Here is the Donbass propaganda coming from the mouths of the the people there. "The people in western Ukraine are Slavic brothers, not much different from us. They have been hijacked by an evil ideology and want to drive us off the land. I wish they would top shelling us."

Here is the Kiev propaganda. "The people in the Donbass are subhuman Russian vermin that should be driven off our sacred land. They are nothing like us." I read some Kiev mid level doctor say that Russian POWs should be castrated. He later walked it back after some push back as it was bad PR. I have seen mom's film their 5 year old kid on social media saying when he grows up he wants to kill Russians. I saw some Ukrainian woman in Europe with a bullhorn calling for Russian children to be killed so they cannot grow up to be soldiers. I posted that 2014 Kiev scene of cutting up a Russian baby cake.

The ideology that influenced Kiev long predates the 2022 Russian invasion and explains the reasons for their attack on the Russian east. If I wrote that there was an ideology in 1930s Germany that promoted a group superiority, called others subhumans and vermin, and called for taking over their land people would not push back.  Now many people refuse to believe it. When the Mariupol POWs removed their shirts maybe 10-20% had NAZI tattoos. Apparently they were at least tolerated. Try that in the German or US military and see what happens.

Later Kiev POWs complained that the AZOV POWs were being exchanged but not them.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 01, 2023, 06:44:49 PM
Well, who is the biggest operator in theater?

Victors write the "history", anything the defeated say will be "propaganda" and the victor gets the spoils...

SSDD

And now all on the "winning" side are happy...Vlad's Nazi's are bitching about munitions...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wagner-chief-threatens-quit-bakhmut-unless-his-men-get-more-munitions (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/wagner-chief-threatens-quit-bakhmut-unless-his-men-get-more-munitions)

Nothing like unhappy Nazi's...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 01, 2023, 10:18:36 PM

He strikes me as a politician maybe with future ambitions. I learned he has zero military experience and zero command authority.

If you resurrected some Roman general they would understand the German and Japanese motivations for WWII. They would not understand the Kiev motivations in this war at all. For whatever reasons, most of the economic wealth was generated in the Donbass. I heard of Kiev as being an administrative and extractive center like Wash DC.

The smart money is on acting like the Romans and exacting tribute and leaving them alone. As I understand it, Romans allowed locals to practice their religions and speak their languages as long as they sent tribute to Rome. Kiev wanted to crush the language, culture, and lately religion of the Donbass. That don't pay the bills. There is no upside to Kiev from all this. If they continued to attack the Russians in the east there would be Russian reaction sooner or later and this is all downside for Kiev. Being a tool of the US is all downside in the long term, after the money runs out.

When the Roman governor crushed the British Boutica rebellion he was sacked for stirring things up and almost ruining a good thing. Kiev really messed things up. The status quo wasn't so bad. In the long run trade with Russia was a good thing, as they cut Ukraine good deals in many ways for strategic reasons. One example was gas prices. Now Poland and some other countries will not even allow in Ukrainian grain. Some friends.

This guy is harsh. Maybe he was correct back in 2013 as someone said.
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/4883

Here is Russian propaganda but I think it is accurate. The US is using Ukraine to harm Russia just as US SECDEF Austin said.
https://rumble.com/v27nfoi-ukrainian-piglet-15-piglet-taken-advantage-of-by-us-and-discarded.-english.html

https://rumble.com/v27nhbo-us-uncle-sam-fights-russia-using-ukrainian-piglet.html
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2023, 08:06:44 AM

He strikes me as a politician maybe with future ambitions. I learned he has zero military experience and zero command authority.

If you resurrected some Roman general they would understand the German and Japanese motivations for WWII. They would not understand the Kiev motivations in this war at all. For whatever reasons, most of the economic wealth was generated in the Donbass. I heard of Kiev as being an administrative and extractive center like Wash DC.

The smart money is on acting like the Romans and exacting tribute and leaving them alone. As I understand it, Romans allowed locals to practice their religions and speak their languages as long as they sent tribute to Rome. Kiev wanted to crush the language, culture, and lately religion of the Donbass. That don't pay the bills. There is no upside to Kiev from all this. If they continued to attack the Russians in the east there would be Russian reaction sooner or later and this is all downside for Kiev. Being a tool of the US is all downside in the long term, after the money runs out.

When the Roman governor crushed the British Boutica rebellion he was sacked for stirring things up and almost ruining a good thing. Kiev really messed things up. The status quo wasn't so bad. In the long run trade with Russia was a good thing, as they cut Ukraine good deals in many ways for strategic reasons. One example was gas prices. Now Poland and some other countries will not even allow in Ukrainian grain. Some friends.

This guy is harsh. Maybe he was correct back in 2013 as someone said.
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/4883

Here is Russian propaganda but I think it is accurate. The US is using Ukraine to harm Russia just as US SECDEF Austin said.
https://rumble.com/v27nfoi-ukrainian-piglet-15-piglet-taken-advantage-of-by-us-and-discarded.-english.html

https://rumble.com/v27nhbo-us-uncle-sam-fights-russia-using-ukrainian-piglet.html

 ::laughonfloor::

Many defeated feel the same throughout history!  Has such bold positive inspiring zeal to it!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2023, 08:27:26 AM
In other news...the bifurcation of the world into separate hegemons picks up pace...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics)

Pick your Emperor...things like this have happened throughout history...and it always leads to conflict...

And "winners" don't often have a long shelf life before the next force arises and topples their throne...

People being stupid, petty, greedy, envious, craven and selfish means this cycle is likely to ever be broken...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 02, 2023, 12:04:47 PM

He strikes me as a politician maybe with future ambitions. I learned he has zero military experience and zero command authority.

If you resurrected some Roman general they would understand the German and Japanese motivations for WWII. They would not understand the Kiev motivations in this war at all. For whatever reasons, most of the economic wealth was generated in the Donbass. I heard of Kiev as being an administrative and extractive center like Wash DC.

The smart money is on acting like the Romans and exacting tribute and leaving them alone. As I understand it, Romans allowed locals to practice their religions and speak their languages as long as they sent tribute to Rome. Kiev wanted to crush the language, culture, and lately religion of the Donbass. That don't pay the bills. There is no upside to Kiev from all this. If they continued to attack the Russians in the east there would be Russian reaction sooner or later and this is all downside for Kiev. Being a tool of the US is all downside in the long term, after the money runs out.

When the Roman governor crushed the British Boutica rebellion he was sacked for stirring things up and almost ruining a good thing. Kiev really messed things up. The status quo wasn't so bad. In the long run trade with Russia was a good thing, as they cut Ukraine good deals in many ways for strategic reasons. One example was gas prices. Now Poland and some other countries will not even allow in Ukrainian grain. Some friends.

This guy is harsh. Maybe he was correct back in 2013 as someone said.
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/4883

Here is Russian propaganda but I think it is accurate. The US is using Ukraine to harm Russia just as US SECDEF Austin said.
https://rumble.com/v27nfoi-ukrainian-piglet-15-piglet-taken-advantage-of-by-us-and-discarded.-english.html

https://rumble.com/v27nhbo-us-uncle-sam-fights-russia-using-ukrainian-piglet.html

 ::laughonfloor::

Many defeated feel the same throughout history!  Has such bold positive inspiring zeal to it!

I mentioned the Romans to show how some groups do not seek to stupidly stir things up for no good reason. Kiev did. NN Taleb described how Allepo flourished under different rulers as they were left alone and just had to pay tribute. It took the modern  Baath party to micromanage them into a degraded poorer state.

The status quo within the boundaries of modern day Ukraine had ethnic Russians in the east and Crimea following Russian culture, teaching mostly Russian to their kids, and practicing eastern orthodox religion as they had for around 200 years. The status quo in the central and western Ukraine had a ethnic Ukrainians speaking a mix of languages and doing their own thing. Pres. Zelensky speaks Russian as his native tongue and his Ukrainian kinda sucks, for example. It wasn't so bad. There is something to be said for getting along. The Soviet Union both oppressed people and kept them from slaughtering each other.

The ethnic Russians did not move into a country Ukraine. They established trading and military outposts in areas with low pop density just as others did elsewhere hundreds of years ago. Much later the USSR drew lines to include them within a vassal sate part of USSR they named Ukraine. In modern times some ethnic Ukrainians migrated east for economic reasons. They inter married.

This is similar to how the  Kurds came to reside in Syria/Turkey/wherever. They did not invade Syria etc. Someone drew lines on a map around them and some proclaimed them "Syrians." .

Things did not heat up in modern Ukraine until a political group with an affection for swastikas discovered their inherent superiority and the US was only too happy to use them and use them up. They were first supported in the Kiev and western Ukr  area by the US from 1946-53 to degrade the USSR, but later fled to the west or were first sent to gulags, then later freed to move back to the Kiev region or the west.

Listen to US SECDEF Austin sometime.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 02, 2023, 12:10:27 PM
In other news...the bifurcation of the world into separate hegemons picks up pace...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics)

Pick your Emperor...things like this have happened throughout history...and it always leads to conflict...

And "winners" don't often have a long shelf life before the next force arises and topples their throne...

People being stupid, petty, greedy, envious, craven and selfish means this cycle is likely to ever be broken...

I have not dug into the BRICS thing.  My impression is that it is a trading block but without having to swear fealty to some cultural ideals. IMO the BRICS countries have nothing in common other than a desire to trade. I'll bet the Chinese try to cut themselves a good deal in all their deals.  In the EU countries have to kiss the globohomo ring of power.

The Chinese have a long history of being traders, merchants, and hustlers.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 02, 2023, 12:15:44 PM
In other news...the bifurcation of the world into separate hegemons picks up pace...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/five-arab-states-plus-iran-among-19-nations-ready-join-brics)

Pick your Emperor...things like this have happened throughout history...and it always leads to conflict...

And "winners" don't often have a long shelf life before the next force arises and topples their throne...

People being stupid, petty, greedy, envious, craven and selfish means this cycle is likely to ever be broken...

I have not dug into the BRICS thing.  My impression is that it is a trading block but without having to swear fealty to some cultural ideals. IMO the BRICS countries have nothing in common other than a desire to trade. I'll bet the Chinese try to cut themselves a good deal in all their deals.  In the EU countries have to kiss the globohomo ring of power.

The Chinese have a long history of being traders, merchants, and hustlers.

The ChiCom's will call the shots for what really matters...any of the others thinking differently are fooling themselves...

Let them learn...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2023, 08:33:03 AM
Wow, Russians suck at this false flag crap even worse than bungling Marxist-allied DeepState assholes here!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-targeted-terrorist-assassination-attempt-drones-kremlin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-targeted-terrorist-assassination-attempt-drones-kremlin)

Yeah, slow-moving target, dead of night, looks very short-range...camera in perfect view...and supposedly Czar Vlad camps out on the top of that dome at this time of night for sh*t 'n giggles...

 ::laughonfloor::

Yeah, whatever...

The Kremlin says two drones were sent by Ukraine in an overnight attack on Moscow and on government buildings which it sees as an attempt to assassinate President Vladimir Putin.

A Kremlin press statement called it a "planned terrorist attack" against Putin directly, and says Russia has a right to respond "where and when it deems necessary".

You're going to do that anyway without this Borscht League stunt...man up you pansies!

Is Medvedev frothing at the mouth and wanting to let loose the nukes? 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2023, 12:09:56 PM
I don't often disagree with Sundance, but he thinks it was Ukraine or CIA (US)...frankly, this is so weak I have a hard time believing that...

You want to earn retribution...there should be something substantial...

https://twitter.com/DavidBCollum/status/1653747346797219841

Yup
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 03, 2023, 01:54:50 PM
It was an assassination attempt on Putin! If he was strapped to the flag pole.

I would guess it is a "symbolic" attack by Kiev but not for attribution. I recall there have been some in the past. However, wouldn't it have to be launched close up?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 03, 2023, 04:26:24 PM
It was an assassination attempt on Putin! If he was strapped to the flag pole.

I would guess it is a "symbolic" attack by Kiev but not for attribution. I recall there have been some in the past. However, wouldn't it have to be launched close up?

Yes, whoever did it had to be fairly close by...like in the hundreds of yards not klicks...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2023, 09:05:34 AM
Just beginning the drone wars have...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-21-russian-cities-cancel-v-day-parades-tit-tat-drone-war-heats (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/least-21-russian-cities-cancel-v-day-parades-tit-tat-drone-war-heats)

...and more boom-boom going East...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-launched-hydra-70-rockets-approved-1st-time-300m-ukraine-package (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/air-launched-hydra-70-rockets-approved-1st-time-300m-ukraine-package)

...wonder how many actually will make it to the Uke battle lines?

As for this....

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/discord-leaks-created-tension-frustration-between-us-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/discord-leaks-created-tension-frustration-between-us-ukraine)

Whatever.  Should NOT be in this sh*tshow anyway...let everybody piss and moan...don't care...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 05, 2023, 11:48:16 AM
These neocons never think even one step ahead.
I have often wondered why Russia does not give nasty weapon to Mexican or US drug gangs. They might use them on each other or the DEA or police. The US southern border could be turned into a no fly zone.

Also, Col. Macgregor noted that some of the leaked classified documents were of the classification that the alleged leaker would not have legitimate access to. So someone else screwed up at the least.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2023, 01:15:46 PM
These neocons never think even one step ahead.
I have often wondered why Russia does not give nasty weapon to Mexican or US drug gangs. They might use them on each other or the DEA or police. The US southern border could be turned into a no fly zone.

Also, Col. Macgregor noted that some of the leaked classified documents were of the classification that the alleged leaker would not have legitimate access to. So someone else screwed up at the least.

It's more than NeoCons...that term is so dated, yet people still use it, incorrectly I would argue...it used to be reserved for interventionalist pubbies...but there are interventionalist dems, saying NeoCon gives a pass the Dems they do not deserve...

It's UniParty interventionalists, members of the global pedo totalitarian elite who only care about power and wealth and don't really give a rats hairy ass who else gets harmed in their schemes as long as it is not them...

Perhaps the Rus are as dumb as the Americans and think fingerprints don't matter...but I suspect the Mexican scenario you suggest is unnecessary when the Americans under a corrupt and illegitimate government are doing more to kill off their nation without Rus or anybody else's help...

As for the leak....there has still been NO refutation of the content...they are too busy wanting to execute the messenger and tighten down leaks to only those the DeepState desires and the insufferable and treasonous lapdog media is all too eager to comply...being the good little goosestepping totalitarians they are...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 05, 2023, 02:03:53 PM
You are right about the neocons.  Some just use the term "uniparty."

BTW immigrant gangs in Sweden used military equipment from Yugoslavia to fight each other, including lots of grenades.

I had this on. Still on in background. Too long to watch for most. Mark Sleboda goes into lots of details on Ukraine and Russian politics and history. He says that when running for office, Zelensky said Ukrainians and Russians were one people. That helped get him elected as this was a pro peace platform. Putin said the same thing and this was denounced as propaganda. He goes into how and when the other political parties were banned in Ukraine.

Mark Sleboda is US ex pat. Ex US Navy. Lives and works in Moscow.
https://youtu.be/qwRF7FYWIyI
 New Atlas LIVE: Talking Ukraine's Offensive & More with Mark Sleboda
The New Atlas


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 05, 2023, 04:50:50 PM
More on the above video. Mark thinks that Kiev can keep this up for  long time. Whatever is left of Ukraine will be armed by the west to harm Russia. No written agreements will be honored, if any written, any more than the Minsk agreements. The US will not allow any countries to remain neutral. Kiev will keep conscripting people and throwing them into defense in trenches and buildings as in Backhmut.  There is not much blowback in Ukraine because Kiev conscripts from mostly ethnic Russians and pro Russian areas, also some Hungarian minorities. They avoid blow back and kill off political opposition.

Mark notes that the 100K people who fled Russia after the invasion were political enemies of Putin who self deported. Maybe one reason for the lack of protests. Most were in no danger of having to fight as they were not past military.

Mark compared Ukraine to Syria. When will that end? Did Russia "win"?  Turkey occupies part and the US occupies part with no signs of leaving.

There are 5 million Ukrainians inside Russia. 3 M since the war started. So possible saboteurs abound. He expects more sabotage.  Mark said some drones ran out of fuel in the week before en route to Moscow. Maybe dry runs? 

If decades of USSR could not eliminate the Banderites then Putin will fail also no matter what. Maybe the Wagner guy was trying to lure more Kiev troops into Bakhmut?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2023, 09:28:07 AM
Since all sides are entrenched and immovable there is really only two ways things can go - a wider more destructive direction or a protracted proxy war lasting decades in a nation which will be bifurcated and largely uninhabitable for non-combatants.

As for this - https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/growing-pushback-over-blackrock-ukraine-taxpayers-pay-war-bills-private-firms-get-profits (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/growing-pushback-over-blackrock-ukraine-taxpayers-pay-war-bills-private-firms-get-profits)

Well, yeah.  What did you expect?  A pivot to Moscow?   ::hysterical::  Even more hysterically...a move to real independence?   ::laughonfloor::

Neither Master will allow true independence...and once souls are sold there is no turning back...I find it a sign of mental incapacity for those who fail to know this simple truth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 08, 2023, 12:05:29 PM
I remember someone saying that 90% of the money for Afghanistan never left the beltway. I guess that makes sense as money buys weapons etc. and the weapons go to Afghanistan.

I assume something similar is true of Ukraine.   It also explains the reasons for the US support. The military industrial complex tithes a percent to congress.

The horrible part of this war for the US is the blow back in the financial realm. The US sanctions have lead to horrible long term results for the US.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 08, 2023, 01:53:03 PM
But Dems have always liked sanctions and starting wars they cannot win...but winning is way down the list of desired outcomes, accruing more wealth and power for themselves and their fellow corrupt donors and keeping off the DeepState radar for retribution is...and on the other side only equally corrupt Cucks are in on it...

Corrupt elections have consequences...and consequences have just begun to suck...

The main dynamics in terms of outcome is no different for the Chi-Coms or the Rus...wealth & power...they just care equally as much about winning because losing has cumulative downstream effects...corrupt Americans are terminally short-sighted...worse yet, they don't care...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 10, 2023, 09:57:54 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-air-units-high-alert-after-near-miss-between-russian-polish-aircraft (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-air-units-high-alert-after-near-miss-between-russian-polish-aircraft)

Near Romania?  Rus venturing further West, eh?

Next - warning shots.

And if that doesn't provoke an expanded war, we always have other Black Sea shenanigans...Baltic shenanigans...yadda yadda yadda....

In other news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/what-will-happen-if-russia-blocks-black-sea-grain-ships (https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/what-will-happen-if-russia-blocks-black-sea-grain-ships)

Hilarious, if Russia does this...they'll be denying Ukraine's top grain buyer and their nominal Lord (China)!

 ::hysterical::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 10, 2023, 02:36:18 PM

The reporting on the "grain deal" has always been very poor. I understand the part about farmers in some countries not wanting to have prices driven down by Ukrainian imports. Also claims of pesticide residues, true or not.

From skimming headlines, Russia claims there were two main parts to the grain deal and the second part which benefited them was not met. I have no idea about any details.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 11, 2023, 08:00:47 AM
Seems to me they are one of the beneficiaries in Ukraine grain not hitting the market...more sales for them...and they have to sell to their Lord first and anybody else starving gets the shaft...

As for this...(is odd for me to say) but the UN guy is probably more right than (not odd for me to say) Kissinger...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-chief-says-ukraine-peace-talks-not-possible-grain-deal-teeters (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/un-chief-says-ukraine-peace-talks-not-possible-grain-deal-teeters)

...and the current Rus & West/Uke positions are totally unchanged, making Kissinger look more incorrect.

The only way Kissinger could be right is if that darkest before the dawn stuff pans out...

I remain highly skeptical...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2023, 08:52:22 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-attorney-general-approves-transfer-seized-assets-russia-oligarch-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-attorney-general-approves-transfer-seized-assets-russia-oligarch-ukraine)

Would Russia declare Herr Garland a war criminal?  Would they snatch him and hold a public trial in Moscow?

Just curious...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 12, 2023, 01:15:08 PM
When these seizures were first proposed many like the US fed argued against them as they would harm the US. The US is apparently the most popular place for shady characters to stash their money. Now they will likely spread their loot around more.

I often wonder about the legal basis for seizing such cash. How sound are they?
According to Michael Hudson, as I best recall, he was part of some study that resulted in the US becoming a repository of dark money from around the globe. Now what?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 12, 2023, 01:49:01 PM
Garland Nixon made a point. Europe would not give away all their weapons if they really thought that Russia was going to attack them.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2023, 02:05:20 PM
I don't know about a dark shelter...to do that with all our laws and crap...would require the intervention of DeepState allies to "wash" any such evidence...not saying impossible just perhaps very unlikely because any hint that that is going on could shoot public confidence into the toilet and cause a systemic crash.  The investment opportunities here in terms of assets though I can see as attractive.

As for smart, no it's stupid.  The legality is shaky but what avenue do victims of it really have to go to for grievances?  International law says assets cannot be seized without being provided fair compensation while also extending protections to state assets but not individuals that run afoul of host nation laws not in conflict with international laws.  Such "wartime" laws a nation has may be lawful in that nation but run afoul of international law.  The international courts (International Court of Justice being one) could hear a case and make a ruling, but if the court has no enforcement ability it is kind of a hollow victory.  The most likely result is in-kind retaliatory seizures.  But how many prominent Americans have assets in Russia to seize?  I have no idea, so it may result in other unforeseen developments.  Also, as we have seen, sanctions have only hurt ourselves more than them.  But stupid never stopped an idiot from doing something stupid if it gives them the optics of doing something even if it is causing self-inflicted harm.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 12, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
Garland Nixon made a point. Europe would not give away all their weapons if they really thought that Russia was going to attack them.

They would if they were stupid.

It might in fact invite it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 12, 2023, 02:33:27 PM
I do not understand all this international law and I doubt any neutrality. The main point is that lots of people stash assets in the US and they wonder when they might be declared the enemy.

I read some article. It said that that there were hundreds of billions of Russian assets to be seized by the EU. However they mostly disappeared. Some one went into bonds and how they could be sold to other people who had every right to sell them.

In addition to Hudson, there was some documentary on Britain, The Spider's Wed, about how Britain established a similar network for dark money to end up in Britain. Again, over my head. Hudson said there was something similar due to the US.

https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8
 The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire | Documentary Film
Independent POV
119K subscribers
5,388,078 views  Sep 14, 2018
Michael Oswald's film The Spider's Web reveals how at the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth is hidden in British jurisdictions and Britain and its dependencies are the largest global players in the world of international finance.

Also
https://youtu.be/gyk12Wf_TeQ
 How London became the dirty money capital of the world | FT Film
Financial Times
901K subscribers
1,329,439 views  Apr 21, 2022  #dirtymoney #VladimirPutin #cash
Russian oligarchs and companies have been investing in London for two decades, encouraged by British politicians of all stripes, but critics say the 'London laundromat' cleans dirty money from Russia and across the globe. The FT examines why it took Russia's invasion of Ukraine to put the issue in the spotlight and whether new sanctions and measures to tackle the problem go far enough. Read more at https://on.ft.com/3OtRKpp


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2023, 07:37:40 AM
I do not understand all this international law and I doubt any neutrality. The main point is that lots of people stash assets in the US and they wonder when they might be declared the enemy.

I read some article. It said that that there were hundreds of billions of Russian assets to be seized by the EU. However they mostly disappeared. Some one went into bonds and how they could be sold to other people who had every right to sell them.

In addition to Hudson, there was some documentary on Britain, The Spider's Wed, about how Britain established a similar network for dark money to end up in Britain. Again, over my head. Hudson said there was something similar due to the US.

https://youtu.be/np_ylvc8Zj8
 The Spider's Web: Britain's Second Empire | Documentary Film
Independent POV
119K subscribers
5,388,078 views  Sep 14, 2018
Michael Oswald's film The Spider's Web reveals how at the demise of empire, City of London financial interests created a web of secrecy jurisdictions that captured wealth from across the globe and hid it in a web of offshore islands. Today, up to half of global offshore wealth is hidden in British jurisdictions and Britain and its dependencies are the largest global players in the world of international finance.

Also
https://youtu.be/gyk12Wf_TeQ
 How London became the dirty money capital of the world | FT Film
Financial Times
901K subscribers
1,329,439 views  Apr 21, 2022  #dirtymoney #VladimirPutin #cash
Russian oligarchs and companies have been investing in London for two decades, encouraged by British politicians of all stripes, but critics say the 'London laundromat' cleans dirty money from Russia and across the globe. The FT examines why it took Russia's invasion of Ukraine to put the issue in the spotlight and whether new sanctions and measures to tackle the problem go far enough. Read more at https://on.ft.com/3OtRKpp

Russia did it when Lenin took power...nationalized everything and sent the foreign devils running...

What does he (and others we can bring up) have in common with The Kenyan's shadow government?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2023, 08:56:34 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-mulls-severing-ties-poland-us-supplied-himars-deployed-near-kaliningrad (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-mulls-severing-ties-poland-us-supplied-himars-deployed-near-kaliningrad)

Meh, whatever...

Minor sideshow...

But that hunk of land sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania...has no right being anchored to Russia, come on, man?!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-join-us-uk-training-ukrainian-fighter-pilots (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-join-us-uk-training-ukrainian-fighter-pilots)

Nice, the lack of entertaining aerial combat footage is so boring...

Now, this looks really interesting...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-blocks-eu500-million-eu-weapons-funding-ukraine-after-kiev-sanctions-hungarys (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hungary-blocks-eu500-million-eu-weapons-funding-ukraine-after-kiev-sanctions-hungarys)

Z exhibits strange methods of winning support from people sometimes...

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2023, 12:44:46 PM
New spin on Poland and Baltic states...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/seymour-hersh-poland-and-baltic-countries-secretly-urging-zelensky-to-end-war-with-russia-biden-is-receiving-incomplete-information-on-the-conflict-in-the-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/seymour-hersh-poland-and-baltic-countries-secretly-urging-zelensky-to-end-war-with-russia-biden-is-receiving-incomplete-information-on-the-conflict-in-the-ukraine/)

It appears that The Refugee Effect is in play...

Wish was in play here too!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2023, 05:45:50 PM
New spin on Poland and Baltic states...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/seymour-hersh-poland-and-baltic-countries-secretly-urging-zelensky-to-end-war-with-russia-biden-is-receiving-incomplete-information-on-the-conflict-in-the-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/05/seymour-hersh-poland-and-baltic-countries-secretly-urging-zelensky-to-end-war-with-russia-biden-is-receiving-incomplete-information-on-the-conflict-in-the-ukraine/)

It appears that The Refugee Effect is in play...

Wish was in play here too!
I heard that polls taken in Europe indicate that most Ukrainian refugees do not want to return.

Biden is senile so I don't much care what gets to him but others high up should be getting accurate info.
WOW
Quote
Citing intelligence sources, Hersh states that his desire to take the war to Russia “may not be clear to the [US] president and senior foreign policy aides in the White House, but it is to those in the American intelligence community who have found it difficult to get their intelligence and their assessments a hearing in the Oval Office.”

TASS reported:

“US President Joe Biden is getting incomplete intelligence about the Ukrainian conflict, US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh wrote on his website.

‘I have been told that some of the better intelligence about the war does not reach the president, through no fault of those who prepare the often contrary assessments’, he said.

Biden is said to rely on briefings and other materials prepared by Avril Haines, director of National Intelligence. ‘She has spent much of her career working for Secretary of State Anthony Blinken, whose ties to Biden and agreement with him on matters pertaining to Russia and China go back decades’.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 17, 2023, 06:12:44 PM

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-mulls-severing-ties-poland-us-supplied-himars-deployed-near-kaliningrad (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-mulls-severing-ties-poland-us-supplied-himars-deployed-near-kaliningrad)


Why would they place the Himars in Poland near Kaliningrad? Wouldn't they ship them into Ukraine? If they launched them from Poland that would ratchet the war up a lot.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2023, 07:59:17 AM
I see it as a counter-provocation to stuff like the hot-heads in Moscow talking loosely about nukes being on the response table and deploying them in places like Belarus...and the likely possibility that some of the tactical variety are already in place in Konigsberg makes it an easy choice to deploy them near.

Chess pieces...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 18, 2023, 12:22:40 PM
Ha, this is hilarious...

Crimean Railways said in a statement that the disaster was caused by "interference from outside persons" - however there was no specific mention of the exact sabotage event in the initial press release, whether a blast or vandalism of the tracks.

 ::hysterical::

Looks like only the rail operator obediently read the FSB memo!

 ::laughonfloor::

They will blame "outsiders" even if it was perpetrated by domestic citizens...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 18, 2023, 05:29:56 PM
Ha, this is hilarious...

Crimean Railways said in a statement that the disaster was caused by "interference from outside persons" - however there was no specific mention of the exact sabotage event in the initial press release, whether a blast or vandalism of the tracks.

 ::hysterical::

Looks like only the rail operator obediently read the FSB memo!

 ::laughonfloor::

They will blame "outsiders" even if it was perpetrated by domestic citizens...

My impression is that the Russians officially say very little and when they lie they lie by omission. Some analyst I respect also said they lie by omission and under report bad news. When that big ship sunk they said it was due to a fire on board. True but why was there a fire on board? Getting hit by missiles perhaps?  .

For both Trump and Putin I learned to look for direct quotes.  I kept reading that Putin was threatening to use nukes but almost never found the  direct quotes. Maybe it was never or it had to be inferred. Russian politicians run for office and do say inflammatory things. I heard that the nukes deployed to Belarus are not under control of Belarus. I do know that the US has cruise missiles in Europe that can accept nuclear warheads.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2023, 08:12:21 AM
Ha, this is hilarious...

Crimean Railways said in a statement that the disaster was caused by "interference from outside persons" - however there was no specific mention of the exact sabotage event in the initial press release, whether a blast or vandalism of the tracks.

 ::hysterical::

Looks like only the rail operator obediently read the FSB memo!

 ::laughonfloor::

They will blame "outsiders" even if it was perpetrated by domestic citizens...

My impression is that the Russians officially say very little and when they lie they lie by omission. Some analyst I respect also said they lie by omission and under report bad news. When that big ship sunk they said it was due to a fire on board. True but why was there a fire on board? Getting hit by missiles perhaps?  .

For both Trump and Putin I learned to look for direct quotes.  I kept reading that Putin was threatening to use nukes but almost never found the  direct quotes. Maybe it was never or it had to be inferred. Russian politicians run for office and do say inflammatory things. I heard that the nukes deployed to Belarus are not under control of Belarus. I do know that the US has cruise missiles in Europe that can accept nuclear warheads.

Also called giving the benefit of the doubt...that is an extension of generosity I cannot accommodate...

As for quotes, swell...by direct you mean you as a first person witness or selective acceptance or rejection of those reporting them?  It opens up quite a quagmire of subjectivity and dismisses the statements of vassals...albeit a far less issue for Trump as a candidate nobody else is speaking for him...while Putin being a leader lets Medvedev, Lavrov, Patrushev et al speak...and their statements have either alluded to using nukes or explicitly saying they are not off the table...I do not dismiss such things, like I do not dismiss other crazies making statements like the Mahdi Death Cult etc...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 19, 2023, 02:26:41 PM
...
Also called giving the benefit of the doubt...that is an extension of generosity I cannot accommodate...

As for quotes, swell...by direct you mean you as a first person witness or selective acceptance or rejection of those reporting them?  It opens up quite a quagmire of subjectivity and dismisses the statements of vassals...albeit a far less issue for Trump as a candidate nobody else is speaking for him...while Putin being a leader lets Medvedev, Lavrov, Patrushev et al speak...and their statements have either alluded to using nukes or explicitly saying they are not off the table...I do not dismiss such things, like I do not dismiss other crazies making statements like the Mahdi Death Cult etc...

Usually a news story is based on a transcript or a video clip. I look for a direct quote based on those. The MSM will often interpret those for their reporting but usually will not fabricate or change direct quotes.
Putin and Lavrov chose their words carefully. Not sure about the other guys.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 19, 2023, 03:12:03 PM

Zelensky seems to be avoiding Ukraine. Hmmmm.
From some news on youtube, there may be depleted uranium particles around the ammo dump explosion from the Russian strike. It may be aloft pretty high up. Some good reporting would be nice.  The DU has 40% less radioactivity.    It emits alpha particles which can be stopped by a sheet of paper as I recall. If you inhale it or ingest it it will punch into tissue and do harm. If it gets into the soil in Ukraine then what? Is it taken up into food?

If used, they were always going to get into the soil in Ukraine as the rounds hit things.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 19, 2023, 03:47:46 PM

Nothing surprising here. According to RT.

https://www.rt.com/news/576523-moldova-corruption-sandu-investment/ (https://www.rt.com/news/576523-moldova-corruption-sandu-investment/)
 Leaked ‘prank’ calls expose top-level corruption in Moldova
Recordings published by The Grayzone show that greasing the wheels with President Maia Sandu and her party is essential for doing business in Chisinau

...
Moldova borders Ukraine on three sides, and Sandu’s leading political rival – Igor Dodon – supports closer relations with Russia. With Dodon less than a point behind Sandu in opinion polls, the EU deployed a mission to Moldova last month aimed at countering “Russian attempts to destabilize Moldova,” while the US has apparently taken direct control of Sandu’s government.

“Moldova is governed by the US ambassador here,”  former Justice Minister Stanislav Pavlovschi said. “He is practically governing Moldova at this particular stage. You have hundreds of EU consultants working for each and every ministry here in Moldova. So it is under very, very strict control on the part of the EU.”

The system functions “absolutely perfectly,” he said, “because everybody loves money.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2023, 07:54:43 AM
LOL, so they say...

And I am sure the Rus are stand up straight players not trying to influence in anyway possible...

But hey whatever contributes to a greater war front has to be good, all parties at least agree on that...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 22, 2023, 08:32:49 AM
Interesting, but dismiss the "knowledgeable American official" blather...just more unattributed crap...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine)

...the neighbors wanting this to end and refugee situation over is confirmed by other statements these past months from a host of quarters...

...the Z-centric crap IMO reeks of distraction...

...especially considering the fact that if either US or Russia or a handful of other nations wanted that globe-trotting shakedown clown dead...it would not be that hard to achieve.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2023, 11:31:22 AM
Interesting, but dismiss the "knowledgeable American official" blather...just more unattributed crap...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/seymour-hersh-something-else-cooking-ukraine)

...the neighbors wanting this to end and refugee situation over is confirmed by other statements these past months from a host of quarters...

...the Z-centric crap IMO reeks of distraction...

...especially considering the fact that if either US or Russia or a handful of other nations wanted that globe-trotting shakedown clown dead...it would not be that hard to achieve.

I skimmed the whole article. What a mess. In short, some countries want this over and Zelensky does not want to get killed in Ukraine. I notice that he has not been in Ukraine much lately. Zelensky scheduled meeting with Lula at G7 then failed to show up. Alex gives humorous interpretation at 16:45.

https://youtu.be/MsIPFudMCTo?t=891 (https://youtu.be/MsIPFudMCTo?t=891)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 22, 2023, 03:45:19 PM

I previously heard that former MIG pilots had been trained to fly F-16s in the US in the past. It did not work out so well because they had to unlearn habits in addition to learning the new ones.

I heard a related interesting story to support this. There was that Aloha airlines plane that had the top blow off. Some pilot said that the pilot was former USAF pilot. When that happened he reached up to pull down the ejection mechanism.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 25, 2023, 08:59:58 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/growing-list-countries-ready-join-f-16s-ukraine-program (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/growing-list-countries-ready-join-f-16s-ukraine-program)

Whatever...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/americas-largest-aircraft-carrier-docks-norway-joint-drills (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/americas-largest-aircraft-carrier-docks-norway-joint-drills)

That also is not worth even a mild concern...

This, however is incredibly disturbing -

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/138/487/033/original/45aa33daef89399b.jpg)
H/T-WRSA@GAB

Literally almost anybody else saying this would generate a yawn...but this DeepState shill who is wrong on EVERYTHING?

Now, I am concerned.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 25, 2023, 12:58:06 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-russian-warship-thwarts-attack-ukrainian-drone-boats-turkey (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/watch-russian-warship-thwarts-attack-ukrainian-drone-boats-turkey)

High rate of speed...

 ::hysterical::

Yeah...sure...and they let one tickle them before responding?

Color me very unimpressed.

Moving on...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-intelligence-says-its-trying-kill-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukrainian-intelligence-says-its-trying-kill-putin)

That's nice, and the calling him bunkered up is cute...but chances are you'll never get close to him...your go however, no matter how many decoys are deployed, seems so much vulnerable because all of that fund-raising has to be done in-person not just on a conference call or thru a dummy...is more vulnerable.

Plus, hasten the day Putin is out of the picture...and you'll hasten the day you get a foaming-mouth hothead like Patrushev to make your nation a crater and possibly making the entire Earth a charred cinder...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 25, 2023, 02:24:04 PM

Putin is regarded as an overly legalistic, partly westernized, wus by most Russians. Kill him and find out what happens next. Eff around and find out.

Why is Zelensky avoiding Ukraine? I heard two theories. Internal intrigue means regime change from within. Or .... The attack on the Kremlin means that Putin's promise not to kill Zelensky is off the table. Moscow told some Israeli ambassador that they would not kill Zelensky long ago. Then Zelensky came out of hiding.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 25, 2023, 02:41:16 PM
Alex Christoforou was on. He said that the attack on the Russian ship guarding the Turkstream pipeline massively pissed off Erdogan. 

Zelensky recently gave the  Pope some strange piece of art with Jesus blacked out.  He also made some off key remark about Hiroshima in Japan. He seems to have a tin ear for diplomacy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 26, 2023, 08:01:48 AM
IMO most diplomats are professional liars and beholden to one cabal or another more so than their nation and its people...

So...louts and liars, oh my...

It's why Trump was so successful, he could cut through BS and actually secure agreements...

You don't have to be slick, you don't have to be clever or duplicitous...you just have to be straightforward, clear and focused.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 26, 2023, 08:36:55 AM
Latest news on the war front...

Rus Tac-Nukes in Belarus - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lukashenko-confirms-russian-tactical-nukes-already-being-transferred-belarus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lukashenko-confirms-russian-tactical-nukes-already-being-transferred-belarus)

Whoever tosses first will blame the other for starting it and whoever tosses first will say the other mean guy made me do it...in the end the dead, dying and surviving will blame both...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 26, 2023, 04:58:09 PM

The US used to have diplomats. So did Canada. Now mostly impudent children with big mouths. I could not believe it when Biden went out of his way to insult the Saudi crown prince and Putin. JFK would never have acted that way during the Cuban missile crisis. He didn't love commies but was smart enough to bite his tongue.  The Biden admin has really pissed off the Chinese with their inconsistent erratic behavior.  Xi has said there is no point in talking to the US officials.

BTW the Russians kept control of any nukes in Cuba. I recall Castro wanted to nuke the US which horrified the Russians who thought he was crazy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 26, 2023, 07:21:12 PM
I had some analysts on in background. They went through past MSM stories on Bakhmut, quoting how important, significant, strategic it was. Then they went though current headlines. Not important, insignificant, no strategic value. ha!

IMO Bakhmut was like Verdun. It sucked in Kiev forces to be killed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 27, 2023, 03:02:34 PM


https://twitter.com/RueDaungier/status/1662085754460286978
https://twitter.com/RueDaungier/status/1662085754460286978/photo/1
John Moran
@RueDaungier
BAERBOCK RIDER: FT reports that German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock, during a visit to Saudi Arabia, presented the prince with a book she wrote on the struggle for women's rights!
Der Spiegel compared the minister's trip to "a vampire visiting a garlic shop".
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2023, 09:51:06 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-drone-attack-damages-several-buildings-moscow (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/major-drone-attack-damages-several-buildings-moscow)

Only one clip of one shot down?  Maybe not concerned about the damage they do?  But not shy about calling them "terrorist attacks"...

Boy Who Cried Wolf...

War...duh.

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 30, 2023, 02:53:34 PM

At 21 - 29 min. Kosovo region of Serbia overall has lots of ethnic Albanians but some Serb majority areas. There is a NATO peacekeeping/occupying force there. When fighting stopped there was an agreement to formalize some future governing laws kinda like the Ukr Minsk agreements that were also never implemented. The  capital is Pristina. The Pristina authorities changed some election laws, against the advice of EU/US. Serbs boycotted, 3% turnout, ethnic Albanians won some mayor races in Serb majority areas and tried to take office. Riots, NATO forces shot people, some NATO forces hurt also.

At 31 min,, EU implemented some online  act, to censor online speech. Twitter said no and will withdraw.
https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2023-05-26/eu-official-says-twitter-abandons-blocs-code-of-practice-on-disinformation (https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2023-05-26/eu-official-says-twitter-abandons-blocs-code-of-practice-on-disinformation)

https://youtu.be/rQbDlwRaFdw?t=1264 (https://youtu.be/rQbDlwRaFdw?t=1264)
 
 Drones target Moscow. NATO Kosovo crisis. Djokovic, the heart of Serbia. Musk vs. EU. Spy Whale. U/1
Alex Christoforou

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-soldiers-deploy-around-kosovo-town-halls-standoff-with-serb-protesters-2023-05-29/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nato-soldiers-deploy-around-kosovo-town-halls-standoff-with-serb-protesters-2023-05-29/)

US SOS Blinken told Pristina govt to knock it off and not stir things up. They did so anyway. Now the US blames the Serbs.


https://youtu.be/PeBdGbW2iGE (https://youtu.be/PeBdGbW2iGE)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on May 30, 2023, 03:26:53 PM

https://youtu.be/9NqHCyFrw6Y
 Kosovo Clashes Intensify Between NATO Troops And Serbian Protesters | 10 News First
10 News First
169K subscribers
134,301 views  May 29, 2023  #kosovo #zvecan #nato
At least two dozen NATO peacekeeping troops have been injured while defending three government buildings from rioting Serbian protesters in northern Kosovo. In the town of Zvecan, police and troops were forced to deploy pepper spray to control crowds after they broke through a security perimeter. Some Serbian protesters retaliated by throwing teargas and stun grenades, while others used spray paint to emblazon the letter "Z", a Russian propaganda symbol, on NATO vehicles.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2023, 08:16:15 AM
Eff that whole area, Euro problem, not ours...let them all kill each other...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2023, 11:09:19 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks)

Wouldn't work anyway...

DOA

Looks like corruption here and in Ukraine is working its way back along the Southern border...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas)

...time for an angry letter from Congress?

 ::unknowncomic::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade)

...that looks rather knee-jerk.  That fragile ego strikes again...  Get over yourselves already!

Anyway...they oppress you "minorities", you oppress their "minorities"...

Really, don't care...keep us out of it, let them settle it, and let the Euroidiots intervene if they're that stupid...

 ::mooning::



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 02, 2023, 08:46:11 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/berlin-orders-moscow-close-4-5-consulates-germany (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/berlin-orders-moscow-close-4-5-consulates-germany)

Growing animosity between Germany and Russia has never been a problem...

 ::unknowncomic::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 02, 2023, 12:45:32 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-calls-massive-demilitarized-within-russia-stipulation-talks)

Wouldn't work anyway...

DOA

Looks like corruption here and in Ukraine is working its way back along the Southern border...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mexican-tv-spots-cartel-wielding-anti-tank-rocket-launcher-border-town-across-texas)

...time for an angry letter from Congress?

 ::unknowncomic::

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-ambassador-claims-maidan-style-coup-attempt-unfolding-belgrade)

...that looks rather knee-jerk.  That fragile ego strikes again...  Get over yourselves already!

Anyway...they oppress you "minorities", you oppress their "minorities"...

Really, don't care...keep us out of it, let them settle it, and let the Euroidiots intervene if they're that stupid...

 ::mooning::

I would be surprised in the US was NOT interfering in Serbian politics. US gets all butt hurt when RU buys $5K of facebook ads. US govt was upset that Georgia might pass a law requiring NGOs getting a certain percent of funding for foreign sources to disclose them. That is because the US is funding them. It is becoming more transparent.

I never dug deep into the Serbian thing years ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 04, 2023, 01:37:32 PM
Zelensky offered to send troops into Transnistria, but only with the permission of Moldova.  He said "As for what to do with those who are on the territory, with the troops? Well if they want to live they will go."

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1665092787652661248

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1664999710963163136

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 04, 2023, 02:19:26 PM

I learned how complicated some regions are in reading Balkan Ghosts. A good book.
Here is another example. Mr. Bald visits Sokh. I think they speak and are educated in Tajik. Likely other languages also. Wiki says males seasonally migrate out for work. This is one of my favorite videos. I wish he would go back to the former Soviet countries. He got kicked out of Russia for his big mouth. Also Ukraine I think.

https://youtu.be/34XymEDY9Wc?t=1502
 Entering A Mysterious Exclave You've Never Heard Of ( In A Soviet Bi-plane )
bald and bankrupt
3.83M subscribers
3,118,965 views  May 17, 2022
Earlier this year myself and Alina tried entering an Uzbek exclave surrounded entirely by Kyrgyzstan. If you saw the video you will know that we were not allowed in. But we don't give up that easy...And so when we discovered that there was a new flight route started up from Uzbekistan to the unknown exclave of Sokh we decided we would have to investigate and try to get in somehow to see what lay there beyond the mountains. Oh and it just happened to mean flying on an old Soviet bi-plane. How could anyone resists such an adventure?!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokh_District
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 05, 2023, 10:32:24 PM

I recall that one reason given for the Russians withdrawing from Kherson on the west bank of this river was that it was lower than the east bank, hard to defend, had their backs to the water, and if Kiev blew the damn upstream they would be flooded.

The telegram link below and the later ones give details including predictions made before.
https://t.me/intelslava/48432
It has been confirmed that the Nova Kakhovka dam in Kherson Oblast has been blown up...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 06, 2023, 08:29:12 AM

I recall that one reason given for the Russians withdrawing from Kherson on the west bank of this river was that it was lower than the east bank, hard to defend, had their backs to the water, and if Kiev blew the damn upstream they would be flooded.

The telegram link below and the later ones give details including predictions made before.
https://t.me/intelslava/48432 (https://t.me/intelslava/48432)
It has been confirmed that the Nova Kakhovka dam in Kherson Oblast has been blown up...

It's in Russian controlled area...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-wall-water-surges-through-ukraine-after-major-dam-blown (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/massive-wall-water-surges-through-ukraine-after-major-dam-blown)

...yet both are blaming he other. 

So, is Ukrainian strength better than Russia is willing to admit or is Russian incompetence greater than anybody knows?

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/2023-06-06_06-21-48.png)

Somebody has some critical map changes to get done.

If the Rus are right their "control" of this area isn't worth a damn.   ::hysterical::

Hey?  How's that "control" thing down there at that one-of-the-largest-nuke-plants-in-Europe?

 ::)

Also, aren't people getting the news right out of the Rus MoD?  The war is over!  The mighty Rus Army defeated the great Ukrainian offensive in mere "hours".  The war is over!  Everyone can go home now and chill the eff out!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-put-down-major-ukrainian-offensive-hours-after-it-began (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-put-down-major-ukrainian-offensive-hours-after-it-began)

 ::whoohoo::

https://youtu.be/1_MCz2a0x0s (https://youtu.be/1_MCz2a0x0s)

 ::laughonfloor::

ETA - Nice to see one touted "expert" who has "been proven right in the past" is speaking to the nuclear issue honestly -

Mearsheimer believes that if the Russians are losing the war, the likelihood of nuclear use to rescue the situation is high. (The war is existential for the Russians.) But as it stands now, the odds of nuclear use are very low because the Russians are winning.

https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1665589545180741632 (https://twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1665589545180741632)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 06, 2023, 01:20:38 PM
Someone said that the sluice gates were hit. Someone else said that the equivalent of valves were hit.  I recall in the past Kiev was attacking the dam. I also recall someone saying that it would be real hard to harm the concrete but that some gates would be easier to damage. I imagine there must be locks since the river is used for navigation.

Some not so reliable source said that Iran was going to use IEDs/shaped charges against US troops in Syria with Russian help. My first thought was that Iran does not need any help in that area. Also, I know US and Russia have de-confliction hotlines for Syria to avoid direct conflict. 

Then I thought maybe Russia would have its own war by proxy. US weapons are used to kill Russians so what if Russian weapons are used to kill Americans?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 06, 2023, 01:43:43 PM

https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/1208

Unconfirmed reports indicate that one of the gateways of the Novaya Kakhovka Hydroelectic Station has been hit and destroyed, prompting a cascade destruction of the rest of the dam. No confirmed reports have been obtained at this time.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 07, 2023, 07:52:50 AM
The conflicting reports and finger-pointing seem to reinforce my question as to how much control Russia has in Russian-controlled areas...

Russians are overstating their ability to control any area (the nuke plant was supposedly under their control too) or their control isn't what normally is associated with the word control...maybe in Russia "control" doesn't mean secure, it merely means they got some people there claiming it is theirs...

Either way, happened on their watch...they can blame whoever and some people may go along with that and it may even be true...but it happened on their watch...if they were not there at all they would be totally blameless...other than that...

But on latter day Earth nobody on the planet takes accountability for anything unless it makes them look good...

Which only perpetuates finger-pointing, polarization and conflict...

It's kinda hard giving an eff about any of these clowns in this sh*tshow...

ETA - Tucker, first half on the dam -

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19498.new.html#new

Moscow, we have "control" issues...

Appears Ukraine is much more effective non-conventional force than Russia admits...knowing that, why are the stupid NATO nations providing any conventional weapons (unless solely for defense purposes of their "held" territory) when the unconventional is (and has historically been) more effective in fighting Russians?

Of course, money and corruption and kickbacks and all that!

(https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/139/552/645/original/5e1d30fb0f64f06f.jpg)H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 07, 2023, 12:40:09 PM



Got this below material from some post on reddit but no source was given.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/142m1ek/comment/jn98nce/?context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/142m1ek/comment/jn98nce/?context=3)


July 8, 2022 Ukrainian troops launched a missile attack on the hydroelectric power station

July 18, 2022 As a result of the strike on the hydroelectric power station, the control room of the shipping lock was damaged. Rocket fragments broke the main gas pipeline, in connection with which half of the right bank of the Kherson region was left without gas.

On July 23, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired seven shells at the area of the Kakhovskaya HPP, which was damaged,

July 24, 2022 HPP fired from HIMARS, infrastructure was damaged

August 12, 2022 New shelling

On September 10, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on Novaya Kakhovka and the hydroelectric power station from HIMARS. Got no hits

October 18, 2022 “The enemy purposefully strikes at infrastructure facilities and residential buildings in Kherson. Hits from HIMARS rockets damaged the Antonovsky bridge and the dam of the Kakhovskaya hydroelectric power station.

On October 21, 2022, Russia circulated a letter in the UN Security Council in which it called for preventing Ukraine's provocation at the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station. “The Armed Forces of Ukraine have been shelling the city of Novaya Kakhovka in the Kherson region for five months. Up to 120 missiles arrive per day,” the statement said.

On October 24, 2022, the Armed Forces of Ukraine fired on the civilian infrastructure of Nova Kakhovka with 19 HIMARS and Alder missiles. Part of the missiles were shot down, three hit the hydroelectric power station

November 6, 2022 Ukrainian troops fired six HIMARS missiles at the HPP. Five rockets were shot down, one hit the lock of the dam, which was damaged, said a representative of the emergency services of the Kherson region.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2023, 08:08:57 AM
Proves Russian "control" of an area isn't worth a (snicker) damn...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 08, 2023, 10:14:23 AM

My impression so far is that there was no recent attack on the dam. Some people say it might have been a turbine explosion. Some military expert was asked and he guessed it was an accident. It does not really help either side and it certainly hurts both sides.

IMO the idea that Russia was afraid of a Kiev offensive and blew the dam is a joke. Kiev has not done much so far. That could change. My impression is that the US was pushing Kiev into the attack under threats to not provide more money and arms.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2023, 10:29:00 AM
I heard the Rus are wrapping this up in 24 hours...but that was yesterday...is the game still on?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 08, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
 I did not hear that. Wrap what up?

I often have Roku on in background, youtube played like talk radio. Weeks ago the MSM said Kiev was winning. Now talk leaked of a "frozen conflict."  I assume this is leaked from US govt sources.

The Duran talks of the July  NATO meeting. Polish govt wants to escalate? Polish people not so much.

I hear a lot and just wonder what to believe. The Duran suspects the US slow walking NATO countries into the conflict as they know Kiev is being ground down.  IMO they are running out of arms, ammo, men and some in DC and Kiev have accurate info and are panicking.

The US slow walked into Vietnam. Just some advisers, then ..... US hawks running Vietnam war were mostly sane but neocons running the Ukraine war are insane ideologues.

Col. Macgregor was on yesterday, and today. He has a very negative, quantitative view of the capabilities of US and NATO land armies. Ukraine did have a very good army at the start. I heard that around 50 Kiev tanks were lost in the past few days. 300 tanks were sent in the past months.

Alexander of Duran reads neocon publications. They assume limitless US power. US can do whatever it wants. Not just a moral statement but refusal to acknowledge any limits on what the US can do. There is no reality.

During Vietnam war Sy Hersh wrote for NYT now NYT is pro war and Hersh has to write on substack!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 08, 2023, 11:11:36 AM

German Baerbock was in Latin America. She complained there that they cared too much about the high price of food and not enough about Ukraine!? How to win friends and influence people. /s
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 08, 2023, 11:33:56 AM
Wrap up the war...

Guess not, the offensive is not repulsed as previously declared by Russia...it's intensifying...

Shoigu says the Red Army is once again repulsing the nazi's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraines-military-says-counteroffensive-has-begun-intensified-fighting-confirmed (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukraines-military-says-counteroffensive-has-begun-intensified-fighting-confirmed)

Whew, that was close...thought this thread was going to get tied off in a neat tidy bow...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 09, 2023, 12:26:13 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/confirmed-russians-just-destroyed-their-first-ukrainian-leopard-2-tank-bradley (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/confirmed-russians-just-destroyed-their-first-ukrainian-leopard-2-tank-bradley)

Uke's are poorly led, have crap for battlefield intelligence and inexperienced/barely-trianed crews...

It's the people, not the machinery...

They might want to address those three elements before rolling in the good stuff...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2023, 02:39:02 PM
Brian Berletic has been ranting for a long time about the poor training of the Kiev troops, especially tankers and NCOs. He says it takes years to make good ones for both and most of Kiev's are dead. The original Kiev troops were very well trained but now they have very shortened training in places like UK.

He had just basic training plus combat training in the Marines and did not think much of his abilities after that. He often bases his opinions on US DOD documents and standards.

There was a post making the rounds a while back, from a US Iraq war tanker vet. He said in tank on tank combat the first to fire usually won and US was first to fire. Maybe he was wrong, but he said if the US troops and Iraqis traded tanks the US would still win thanks to their training.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2023, 02:40:55 PM
Here are some posts from 2022 where Kiev boasts of the damage done to the dam/powerplant. Some recently deleted?

Boasting of hitting the floodgates
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/5385

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/5386
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/5387
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/5388
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/5389
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2023, 02:47:00 PM

Lara Logan goes on a 2 min rant apparently on a TV news show. About a lot of things. 1 min about Ukraine then about globalism etc. The CIA protected Ukrainian NAZIs from the Nurenberg trials? I heard that the CIA backed Ukrainian NAZIs to weaken the USSR from 1946 to 53 so I guess that makes sense.
https://t.me/c/1578110110/5146

Here is the longer version, from 1 year ago.8 min.

https://youtu.be/XoFDJoop8-Q
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 09, 2023, 06:44:04 PM
I sometimes have Col. Douglas Macgregor on, mostly for Ukraine analysis. He used to be a tank commander, then higher up in Iraq war. He wrote 5 books on military stuff. He knows a lot about history and geography. He must have read a lot. He lived in Germany as an exchange student and later in NATO/army.

He often says that US is a naval and maritime power but is not a major land army power.  He is extremely dismissive of NATO competence, going country by country. He is very negative when asked about US involvement in Ukraine. He said the US could do well in such a war, as long as it only lasted one week when we run out of ammo.

He always analyzes things as though each country acts in its own interests or should. Germany is committing suicide so ...

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls (https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 10, 2023, 06:41:20 PM

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-nato-planned-trained
In short, mine plows cleared a path through the RU mine fields by shoving aside any mines. A column follows the cleared path. A ka-52 alligator takes out the lead vehicle. The following vehicles drive around the wrecked vehicle and over the plowed aside mines.

thedreizinreport.com/2023/06/10/200-billion-question/
Dreizin has LOTS of video links AND this
thedreizinreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Elite.mp3
In short, this 47th brigade was the best and had the best equipment and used in the counter-offensive.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2023, 07:54:23 AM
Brian Berletic has been ranting for a long time about the poor training of the Kiev troops, especially tankers and NCOs. He says it takes years to make good ones for both and most of Kiev's are dead. The original Kiev troops were very well trained but now they have very shortened training in places like UK.

He had just basic training plus combat training in the Marines and did not think much of his abilities after that. He often bases his opinions on US DOD documents and standards.

There was a post making the rounds a while back, from a US Iraq war tanker vet. He said in tank on tank combat the first to fire usually won and US was first to fire. Maybe he was wrong, but he said if the US troops and Iraqis traded tanks the US would still win thanks to their training.

Tanks no different than soldiers...the training is to make the unfamiliar known and the unknown less unknown...and the latter is achieved with the former along with managing fear...there is a lot of effort into developing the psyche...and like a soldier or pilot or a tank crew...first to make sight of the enemy and get an accurate shot off will win the engagement...and when crap goes off plan, that's where your training is judged to be successful or inadequate.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2023, 07:57:42 AM

Lara Logan goes on a 2 min rant apparently on a TV news show. About a lot of things. 1 min about Ukraine then about globalism etc. The CIA protected Ukrainian NAZIs from the Nurenberg trials? I heard that the CIA backed Ukrainian NAZIs to weaken the USSR from 1946 to 53 so I guess that makes sense.
https://t.me/c/1578110110/5146

Here is the longer version, from 1 year ago.8 min.

https://youtu.be/XoFDJoop8-Q

Soviets and Americans all scrambled to get their favorite nazi's with requisite skill sets under their wings...

Aggregate for the cold war cement...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2023, 08:12:10 AM
I sometimes have Col. Douglas Macgregor on, mostly for Ukraine analysis. He used to be a tank commander, then higher up in Iraq war. He wrote 5 books on military stuff. He knows a lot about history and geography. He must have read a lot. He lived in Germany as an exchange student and later in NATO/army.

He often says that US is a naval and maritime power but is not a major land army power.  He is extremely dismissive of NATO competence, going country by country. He is very negative when asked about US involvement in Ukraine. He said the US could do well in such a war, as long as it only lasted one week when we run out of ammo.

He always analyzes things as though each country acts in its own interests or should. Germany is committing suicide so ...

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls (https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls)

Well, part of this is obvious...any coalition is only as good as the members in it, from political leadership to military leadership, military training & equipment etc etc...this is not WWII...Ike is not in charge...the coalition doesn't even have the cohesion of the cold war era...

The other parts...

Yes, the US is naval and air power, we've never had huge land armies like the Chinese, even the Russians are down-scaled drastically from WWII levels and even from cold war levels...the US focus had always been on training so fewer can do more...

As for Ukraine I cannot dismiss the belief that his opposition to facing off against China in the Pacific is not coloring some of his opinions on Ukraine...I think he thinks he needs to link the two continuously to justify his opinions and I wonder if he knows what he is doing and if he is OK with people thinking him foolishly ignorant of the Communist Chinese threat...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 12, 2023, 08:15:38 AM

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/anatomy-of-a-nato-planned-trained
In short, mine plows cleared a path through the RU mine fields by shoving aside any mines. A column follows the cleared path. A ka-52 alligator takes out the lead vehicle. The following vehicles drive around the wrecked vehicle and over the plowed aside mines.

thedreizinreport.com/2023/06/10/200-billion-question/
Dreizin has LOTS of video links AND this
thedreizinreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Elite.mp3
In short, this 47th brigade was the best and had the best equipment and used in the counter-offensive.

Like I said...

Uke's are poorly led, have crap for battlefield intelligence and inexperienced/barely-trianed crews...

It's the people, not the machinery...

They might want to address those three elements before rolling in the good stuff...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 12, 2023, 02:36:39 PM
I sometimes have Col. Douglas Macgregor on, mostly for Ukraine analysis. He used to be a tank commander, then higher up in Iraq war. He wrote 5 books on military stuff. He knows a lot about history and geography. He must have read a lot. He lived in Germany as an exchange student and later in NATO/army.

He often says that US is a naval and maritime power but is not a major land army power.  He is extremely dismissive of NATO competence, going country by country. He is very negative when asked about US involvement in Ukraine. He said the US could do well in such a war, as long as it only lasted one week when we run out of ammo.

He always analyzes things as though each country acts in its own interests or should. Germany is committing suicide so ...

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls (https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls)

Well, part of this is obvious...any coalition is only as good as the members in it, from political leadership to military leadership, military training & equipment etc etc...this is not WWII...Ike is not in charge...the coalition doesn't even have the cohesion of the cold war era...

The other parts...

Yes, the US is naval and air power, we've never had huge land armies like the Chinese, even the Russians are down-scaled drastically from WWII levels and even from cold war levels...the US focus had always been on training so fewer can do more...

As for Ukraine I cannot dismiss the belief that his opposition to facing off against China in the Pacific is not coloring some of his opinions on Ukraine...I think he thinks he needs to link the two continuously to justify his opinions and I wonder if he knows what he is doing and if he is OK with people thinking him foolishly ignorant of the Communist Chinese threat...
I think Macgregor believes the US is at a huge disadvantage re China or soon will be.
I fear US carriers at the bottom of the ocean. Macgregor has tank experience. Scott Ritter has lower level Marine Corps artillery  and "maneuver warfare" experience. Both say NATO has very little such experience. Ritter talked of "passage of lines" or some such that has to be practiced. He said US Marines were the best at such but even then they turned such maneuvers into traffic jams on occasion. He said NATO has no such training or ability.

Some said even the roads and bridges in EU could not handle NATO involvement.
Decades ago I read that the German and other countries had incompetent militaries that had turned into social welfare full employment organizations. I thought of fat cops in a donut shop. Years ago, maybe under Ursula, there was some drills involving armor. The armor had gun barrels sticking out but they were not available so they painted dowels black. This is where the "broomsticks for rifles" story came from, I think. In recent years an audit showed a shocking percent of equipment did not work in Germany.

Years ago I read my only book on tactics, The Art of War in the Western World." From Greek hoplites to the IDF.  Until then I had no idea there were tactics. I think people like Macgregor look at warfare in a different way, as what works or is likely to work and how he would plan it.

I have such varied and mixed views on China. Officers buy their positions? I hear that Chinese do not put warriors in a position of honor as they do not trust them.  Countries on their borders are wary of them. IMO they are a nation of merchants, traders, and hustlers who want to make money. They fear US subs blocking sea routes, hence belt and road.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 12, 2023, 03:07:21 PM
The people in Crime want no part of Ukraine. This after threats and seeing how Russians are treated elsewhere. I think they voted 95% to rejoin Russia. I recall Sevastopol has been home to the Black Sea fleet since Catherine the Great.

Are these people sociopaths, psychopaths, or both? See below. Ya think this goes on Russia TV? How about Taiwan TV?

https://twitter.com/OSINTNic/status/1667798180786741248

The Ukrainian armed forces are ready to kill or capture all Russians in Crimea, said former U.S. Army Commander-in-Chief Ben Hodges

"The Ukrainians' strategic goal is to retake Crimea, and if they can do that by withdrawing the Russians without firing a single shot, so much the better. But if they have to kill or capture every Russian on the peninsula, they will do it.

on edit
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/50316
InfoDefense (https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/8507):
...

Comment: Russians make up about 80% of the peninsula population of 2 million. Does Ben Hodges suggest killing 1.6 million people? It would look like genocide.
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 12, 2023, 10:46:16 PM

These are the people Ben Hodges wants to kill or drive out of Crimea. Russians have been there hundreds of years. It is almost beyond belief.

https://youtu.be/h9RwYPsVpfM
Anthem of Russia, Crimea 2015 [Eng Sub]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 08:09:46 AM
Well, England held large swaths of the planet for hundreds of years too...

Maybe people should give them their possessions back too...

It's power that rules...

And its people who cannot forgive sins of the past that ups the carnage to genocidal levels...nothing new there...

Wait till sh*t hit the fan here...it will make the collapse of Yugoslavia look like a picnic...

It's happy fun time for latter day Earth...get in the spirit!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 08:13:51 AM
I sometimes have Col. Douglas Macgregor on, mostly for Ukraine analysis. He used to be a tank commander, then higher up in Iraq war. He wrote 5 books on military stuff. He knows a lot about history and geography. He must have read a lot. He lived in Germany as an exchange student and later in NATO/army.

He often says that US is a naval and maritime power but is not a major land army power.  He is extremely dismissive of NATO competence, going country by country. He is very negative when asked about US involvement in Ukraine. He said the US could do well in such a war, as long as it only lasted one week when we run out of ammo.

He always analyzes things as though each country acts in its own interests or should. Germany is committing suicide so ...

https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls (https://www.youtube.com/@DouglasMacgregorStraightCalls)

Well, part of this is obvious...any coalition is only as good as the members in it, from political leadership to military leadership, military training & equipment etc etc...this is not WWII...Ike is not in charge...the coalition doesn't even have the cohesion of the cold war era...

The other parts...

Yes, the US is naval and air power, we've never had huge land armies like the Chinese, even the Russians are down-scaled drastically from WWII levels and even from cold war levels...the US focus had always been on training so fewer can do more...

As for Ukraine I cannot dismiss the belief that his opposition to facing off against China in the Pacific is not coloring some of his opinions on Ukraine...I think he thinks he needs to link the two continuously to justify his opinions and I wonder if he knows what he is doing and if he is OK with people thinking him foolishly ignorant of the Communist Chinese threat...
I think Macgregor believes the US is at a huge disadvantage re China or soon will be.
I fear US carriers at the bottom of the ocean. Macgregor has tank experience. Scott Ritter has lower level Marine Corps artillery  and "maneuver warfare" experience. Both say NATO has very little such experience. Ritter talked of "passage of lines" or some such that has to be practiced. He said US Marines were the best at such but even then they turned such maneuvers into traffic jams on occasion. He said NATO has no such training or ability.

Some said even the roads and bridges in EU could not handle NATO involvement.
Decades ago I read that the German and other countries had incompetent militaries that had turned into social welfare full employment organizations. I thought of fat cops in a donut shop. Years ago, maybe under Ursula, there was some drills involving armor. The armor had gun barrels sticking out but they were not available so they painted dowels black. This is where the "broomsticks for rifles" story came from, I think. In recent years an audit showed a shocking percent of equipment did not work in Germany.

Years ago I read my only book on tactics, The Art of War in the Western World." From Greek hoplites to the IDF.  Until then I had no idea there were tactics. I think people like Macgregor look at warfare in a different way, as what works or is likely to work and how he would plan it.

I have such varied and mixed views on China. Officers buy their positions? I hear that Chinese do not put warriors in a position of honor as they do not trust them.  Countries on their borders are wary of them. IMO they are a nation of merchants, traders, and hustlers who want to make money. They fear US subs blocking sea routes, hence belt and road.

I still say Macgregor is letting Ukraine contamination color his view of China and Taiwan...anybody not recognizing Communist China (not Russia!)  as the preeminent threat nominal liberty has to face from a nation state perspective IMO has lost their senses.  Maybe he thinks the Mahdi Death Cult are not the preeminent terror threat in the world too, maybe he thinks they're reasonable people with reasonable demands and we should all accommodate them...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 08:37:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etjzk4w3xHs&t=279s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etjzk4w3xHs&t=279s)

Death Drones.. 

Gen-Z's PTSD  Heh!


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 13, 2023, 12:31:54 PM
(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/140/246/324/original/414aec2569c213e0.jpg)H/T-WRSA@GAB
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 13, 2023, 04:56:49 PM

I had this on earlier. REAL LONG 3:15:00. Stopped. Still not done. The last 30 min is questions. Maybe his best on the Ukr war. he does 90% of the talking they mostly ask questions. I did not now all his experiences. He seems to know details on lots of weapons. He said it took his marines 2 1/2 years to train to proficiency in some area. Us gave Ukr 1 month training in this. He went into details on the Ukr tactics from NATO in the current counter-offensive.

He said he spent months with computer based simulations planning part of the first gulf war and the US marines got hurt bad until he tweaked things. He was dragged out of the amphibious warfare unit and into high level planning. In reality the marines did better than expected and better than the army. I think the army generals wanted the marines to do something stupid and they refused and did things their way. Anyway, he describes how the Ukr counter attack is flawed and what he would do in their place.

He goes into the different tanks etc. Lots of details. We sent Strykers. He said they require lots of training just to use the automatic suspension system. If not done well, they shred the tires. Will the Ukr troops be that well trained? Even US army shredded their tires. He said the US towed lots of equipment toward Baghdad because they broke. Luckily there was no attack on them doing that.

He went on a one month visit to Russia recently with his daughter, in part pushing his recent book. Lots of observations. The good economy and construction was a shock. US sanctions accidentally helped the Russian economy. In part by keeping capital inside Russia.

He predicts most fighting ends by end of summer if Ukr keeps sending their troops to be killed in the counter-offensive. but he heard a possible political change from a Russian. Zelensky loses election in Mar 2024????

https://youtu.be/GBZF9LCTyqY

The next wave of the counteroffensive w/Scott Ritter (Live)
The Duran
356K subscribers
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 14, 2023, 03:24:01 PM


He talks about air defense exercise then NATO then about the patriot system at 13:30 where he tears into it and gives its history and how it failed in the past and in Ukraine
He calls the patriot system US propaganda. The purpose is to enrich the defense contractors. Interesting history.

He says medals were issued for the gulf war patriot troops for shooting down scuds but there were no scuds. Then in Rihad, the missiles fell apart in mid air and parts fell to ground, because Iraq had elongated the scuds making them unstable. The US claimed they had shot them down. Patriots did more damage to Rihad and Tel Aviv than the scuds.

Using them in manual mode works better but that takes lots of training.

https://youtu.be/gsHbXl2mHlE?t=805
 WARRIOR UPDAT WITH SCOTT RITTER - UKRAINE OFFENSIVE WEEK 2
Garland Nixon
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2023, 08:18:58 AM
Nukes anywhere near the lunatic Lukashenko IMO is batshyt crazy...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-has-begun-taking-delivery-powerful-russian-nukes (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarus-has-begun-taking-delivery-powerful-russian-nukes)

...I'm sure people thinking otherwise will cling bitterly to stupidity as they are vaporized or riddled with radiation...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 16, 2023, 02:55:20 PM
Well, things are spinning wildly out of control now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-russian-official-putin-has-green-light-sever-undersea-commo-cables (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/senior-russian-official-putin-has-green-light-sever-undersea-commo-cables)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proposed-bill-give-russian-central-bank-assets-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/proposed-bill-give-russian-central-bank-assets-ukraine)

...both sides are totally committed to upping the stupidity...and I don't see anybody dialing back...

(https://www.gif-maniac.com/gifs/54/54255.gif)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 16, 2023, 04:31:42 PM
Lukashenko will have no control over nukes. Russia will. I heard the nukes were to prevent regime change in Belarus but i do not understand the logic. The US recently tried regime change in Belarus and failed, a couple years ago.

 Someone said they are bargaining chips to trade against moving nukes away from Poland and maybe Hungry or Bulgaria. I heard the USSR had intermediate range nukes in their west so the US put Pershings in then used them as chips and both were removed????

Severing undersea cables was mentioned by analysts days after the NS pipelines were blown. The US should not have crossed that line for our own sake.

I image Ukraine will send the cash back to the US to pay back all the loans. Remember that an inspector general for Ukraine was ruled out.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 16, 2023, 04:45:03 PM

I heard some more on blown dam and future events. With the dam blown, river or reservoir is now mud flats that will dry up. So crossing will be easier for Kiev to take the nuke plant at Zap. BUT Russia could blow a dam further up and turn it back into mud.  When Russia invaded,  Kiev blew a dam?

Kiev might want to create a nuke disaster to bring in NATO "peace keepers."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 21, 2023, 10:17:07 AM
Nobody gives a dam(n)... 

Literally...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whoops-pentagon-accounting-error-means-extra-62-billion-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/whoops-pentagon-accounting-error-means-extra-62-billion-ukraine)

Obvious signs of rampant corruption.

And more evidence of not giving a damn...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 22, 2023, 08:19:21 AM
Ahh yes...war porn...courtesy of Russian Propagandist Romanov...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-russians-use-drone-tank-loaded-explosives-destroy-ukrainian-front-line (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-russians-use-drone-tank-loaded-explosives-destroy-ukrainian-front-line)

I tell ya...just more evidence of poor leadership and poor training...

One lone tank ought to provoke a common sense question...and the answers are mostly negative - trojan horse, diversion...

How about hitting it closer to their lines than yours?  How about some battlefield intelligence that is worth a damn?

To be fair, this is one little section of a vast front...what else is going good/bad for all sides of the front?  There is no unbiased unskewed information out there...just a general hunch the Russians are controlling things and the Ukes are still trying to fight...beyond that is speculation with momentary bouts of interesting video clips...

This meat-grinder could go on for years sans any impetus to expand...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 22, 2023, 04:06:52 PM
I imagine that shock wave would kill anyone close. I would be surprised if many Ukrainians were that close. Hard on wildlife though.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 23, 2023, 09:41:20 AM
* Peace talks could resume and the Istanbul draft treaty be revived if the US cuts off Kiev’s arms supply.

Yeah, keep dreaming...the DS and its puppets will plunge the Earth in flames first...

* Russia isn’t contemplating a nuclear first strike and will only use these weapons in self-defense.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-says-political-solution-still-possible (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-says-political-solution-still-possible)

Yeah, OK Mr. Korybko...apparently you missed this news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/half-russias-strategic-missile-units-have-been-rearmed-hypersonics-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/half-russias-strategic-missile-units-have-been-rearmed-hypersonics-putin)

So, if half of their strategic missiles are hypersonic...how can they claim to promise not to be the first to strike?  The very nature of hypersonic warheads is to hit your enemy faster than they can hit you - the very definition of a first-strike weapon.

See, when people talk one way...act another...you have to plan an the act and ignore the words.  As soon as those hypersonic's launch...perceived recipients will be unleashing their arsenals while they can...

Brilliant!

/

(https://commonedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dr.-strangelove-sellers-1200x644.jpg)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 23, 2023, 03:31:47 PM
* Peace talks could resume and the Istanbul draft treaty be revived if the US cuts off Kiev’s arms supply.

Yeah, keep dreaming...the DS and its puppets will plunge the Earth in flames first...

* Russia isn’t contemplating a nuclear first strike and will only use these weapons in self-defense.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-says-political-solution-still-possible (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-says-political-solution-still-possible)

Yeah, OK Mr. Korybko...apparently you missed this news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/half-russias-strategic-missile-units-have-been-rearmed-hypersonics-putin (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/half-russias-strategic-missile-units-have-been-rearmed-hypersonics-putin)

So, if half of their strategic missiles are hypersonic...how can they claim to promise not to be the first to strike?  The very nature of hypersonic warheads is to hit your enemy faster than they can hit you - the very definition of a first-strike weapon.

See, when people talk one way...act another...you have to plan an the act and ignore the words.  As soon as those hypersonic's launch...perceived recipients will be unleashing their arsenals while they can...

Brilliant!

/

(https://commonedge.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/dr.-strangelove-sellers-1200x644.jpg)

The official Russian nuke doctrine is no first use plus some language about maybe when there is existential imminent threat to Russia survival. Official US doctrine changed under Biden. I heard some analyst quote some official maybe under Obama saying that we want  the Russians and Chinese to wake up every day not knowing if we were to nuke them.

I do not know all the arms treaties the US backed out of. Maybe that was the right thing to do, or not. I think the intermediate nuclear forces treaty was a good idea. It increased the flight time for nukes and gave people more time to think. There have been some false alarms and close calls.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2023, 01:18:19 PM
No increased flight time for hypersonic... they're going the other way...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 24, 2023, 01:26:11 PM
Putin pissed off his Nazi Wagner Group thugs and they started matching on Moscow!   ::hysterical::

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-reassures-allies-phone-calls-erdogan-expresses-full-support-against-rebellion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-reassures-allies-phone-calls-erdogan-expresses-full-support-against-rebellion)

Medvedev says shelter-in-place...   ::hysterical::

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/medvedev-urges-population-rally-around-putin-moscow-mayor-urges-residents-stay-inside (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/medvedev-urges-population-rally-around-putin-moscow-mayor-urges-residents-stay-inside)

Lukashenko brokers a halt to the march as they negotiate Wagner's demands..

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-blasts-wagner-treason-betrayal-clashes-erupt-southern-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-blasts-wagner-treason-betrayal-clashes-erupt-southern-russia)

...I guess he speaks Nazi...  ::hysterical::

All is well in Mother Russia...

/


PS-Lemme guess what they'll say...

Americans!

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 24, 2023, 01:51:42 PM

Wagner got more money and called off their fake coup.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2023, 08:28:32 AM
How fake is it if the capture HQ's like in Rostov where they got the Southern Military District & Ministry of Internal Affairs?

Otherwise...it would have to be all a staged event between Putin and Wagner and Lukashenko...

This guy some may recognize...former CIA guy now doing some work for Skinwalker Ranch...

https://youtu.be/OvXguRJb_ro (https://youtu.be/OvXguRJb_ro)

...makes sense to me, I think Putin et al always had a Jones for capturing Kyiv...and a head-fake redeployment for a thrust from Belarus in the North is one of the most logical things I've heard in quite a while...

So, the hydra-headed beast of Russia, Belarus & Wagner are about to deliver the final blow, eh?

The funniest part of all this is the lemmings who thought (and still are thinking) the idiots ruining this country and burning billions in Ukraine in total futility are behind the attempted coup!   ::hysterical::

Even the imbeciles at the CIA are bragging about knowing all about it and are happy to be duped into the coup-think. (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-intelligence-knew-days-advance-wagner-rebellion-briefed-congress)  It doesn't get any more  redonkulous than this...

Not going to stop me from having fun with it though...what else can I do?  Eff'n clownworld, dontchyaknow?

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/141/216/545/original/38381398fcfaa4e7.jpeg)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/141/216/078/original/78d7273801ae8f86.png)

 ::unknowncomic::

ETA - Looks even better in visual form...

https://twitter.com/Omani1love/status/1672953234389078016 (https://twitter.com/Omani1love/status/1672953234389078016)

...y'all just got flanked.

Z & CIA - https://youtu.be/hqFRzeGYzmk (https://youtu.be/hqFRzeGYzmk)


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 26, 2023, 02:01:12 PM
Whoa!  I thought that Escobar joker was the biggest Putin fan-boy on the planet who would do anything for his One True God...but here comes Luongo...

In my worldview MI6 and the British Defense Ministry spend all day, everyday coming up with a new way to justify a wider conflict between NATO and Russia. The destruction and balkanization of Russia has, after all, been their raison d’etre for more than 300 years.

...and the Tyler's at ZH (long-time Russophiles) put in bold the first sentence not the second sentence.  The first is well, duh, obvious.  The second illustrates a degree of butthurt ego normally reserved for natural-born Russians...and especially the high-ranking Caucasian caste...

300 years you imperialists have wanted to murder us all!   ::hysterical::

Under the bed - neocons!   ::laughonfloor::

If CIA money went to Prigozhin it is the biggest blunder in the history of bribery...and go towards toys with which to slay any perceived neocon fodder...

There are many in Russia who are angry with Putin for not punching back.

Aye, here's the red meat to Rus warmongers...

Let us pretend a ratcheted-up violence to appease the hardliners is in no way giving NATO and their neocon boogeymen exactly what they want to expand things...with the added overplayed butthurt of 300 years of oppression and thinking the bleating "you started it" will comfort the innocent millions slaughtered in the expanded carnage...

Brilliant!

/

And thanks Tommy for the nukes in Belarus reminder...very comforting...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-was-prigozhins-rebellion-live-or-memorex (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/luongo-was-prigozhins-rebellion-live-or-memorex)

Maybe Escobar has a spare bib for all that special sauce...

 ::)

Benji here takes a more casual approach to the whole story...Putin duped by Shoigu et al...Prigozhin merely seeking to restore sanity and glory for Mother Russia...these things are normal in Russia...gosh I dunno what's going on?

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/when-tail-wagners-dog (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/when-tail-wagners-dog)

Seem too open to independent thought to be trusted...probably get labeled a neocon lapdog...

Swamp-rat Blinken tries to turn this into another fund-raiser for the glorious Ukrainian DeepState cause...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-hints-more-russia-unrest-come-we-havent-seen-last-act (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-hints-more-russia-unrest-come-we-havent-seen-last-act)

Statement of the Russian Patriot hailed by the people...FWIW...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhin-remains-defiant-first-audio-message-explaining-mutiny (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/prigozhin-remains-defiant-first-audio-message-explaining-mutiny)

All for the Motherland.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 26, 2023, 02:41:22 PM
Whoa!  I thought that Escobar joker was the biggest Putin fan-boy on the planet who would do anything for his One True God...but here comes Luongo...

In my worldview MI6 and the British Defense Ministry spend all day, everyday coming up with a new way to justify a wider conflict between NATO and Russia. The destruction and balkanization of Russia has, after all, been their raison d’etre for more than 300 years.

...

Alexander of Duran said that Russia hatred in UK goes way back, at least 150 years? Maybe more? Crimean war?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2023, 08:13:21 AM
Whoa!  I thought that Escobar joker was the biggest Putin fan-boy on the planet who would do anything for his One True God...but here comes Luongo...

In my worldview MI6 and the British Defense Ministry spend all day, everyday coming up with a new way to justify a wider conflict between NATO and Russia. The destruction and balkanization of Russia has, after all, been their raison d’etre for more than 300 years.

...

Alexander of Duran said that Russia hatred in UK goes way back, at least 150 years? Maybe more? Crimean war?

Which makes no sense...Russia started it by invading Turkish holdings in modern day Romania...

I suppose they are butthurt still over the fact that it took Winter to drive Napoleon from Russia while just a few years later Wellington defeated him at Waterloo and sent him running back to Paris...

 ::)

They are as bad as the spoiled blacks in America still looking to fight an institution long dead that only cost us over 1.6m casualties...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 27, 2023, 08:47:11 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/not-just-ukraine-heres-wagner-groups-global-footprint (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/not-just-ukraine-heres-wagner-groups-global-footprint)

In some areas they are the dominant war lord present...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2023, 05:23:49 PM
Some say that the mutineers will only able to work outside of Russia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 28, 2023, 05:32:55 PM

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/6092
🇩🇪🌈 Fitting isn't it? The Munich Pride Parade features a Ukrainian band with a song about Stepan Bandera, a Hitler sympathizer who killed hundreds of thousands of Poles, Russians, Jews AND homosexuals.

See the declassified CIA documents on Bandera here (https://t.me/inessas1992/763?single) (nickname Consul 2).
https://t.me/inessas1992/761

Further, CIA Operation Aerodynamic (https://t.me/inessas1992/4105?single) can be found here.
https://t.me/inessas1992/4104


Looks like they're all warring for Ukraine in Germany. 🤷??😅
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on June 29, 2023, 08:48:29 AM
Both sides eagerly used their Nazi's against each other and neither cared about their past sins as long as they were sufficiently anti-Soviet or anti-American.

In other news...

This makes me chuckle - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-allows-new-quran-burning-demonstration-ahead-nato-summit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/sweden-allows-new-quran-burning-demonstration-ahead-nato-summit)

I'm all for burning the Satanic book authored by the serial-pedophile serial-murderer Mohammad...or using it as emergency toilet paper...

That it pisses off thin-skinned megalomaniacs and cultists is a bonus.

IMO such freedom of expression is a virtue not a vice.

Meanwhile, Wagner continues to spook the gamma's running NATO - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-vows-defense-threat-wagner-forces-belarus (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-vows-defense-threat-wagner-forces-belarus)

Gamma's always over-think everything...they emote and run around spewing nonsense....

I'd offer advice but why bother, they're idiots...

The Swiss continue to try and stay as neutral as possible...and if all are offended one can say it is working - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/switzerland-cites-neutrality-blocking-nearly-100-german-tanks-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/switzerland-cites-neutrality-blocking-nearly-100-german-tanks-ukraine)

The theaters remain in flux...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2023, 02:33:53 PM

Scott Ritter rants about the failed coup/whatever in Russia. In short, Russia had 2,500 Russian special forces ahead of them and 10,000 Chechen surrounding them. They were lined up on the highway. They were told to turn around or die.

The Wagner guy was to lose 2, $1Billion dollar contracts. IMO mental illness is the best explanation. The US and UK knew about the coup.

https://youtu.be/_WAeyhh1u9E

Post Russian Rebellion, Now What? w/SCOTT RITTER


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on June 29, 2023, 02:46:57 PM


I know nothing about Dagestan. Apparently they voted to be part of the Russian Republic but not sovereign. I have no idea if the benefits outweigh the negatives of being part of the Russian Republic. They are Islamic. There is something to be said for trying to get along. The US likes civil wars. Not every country is like the US.

https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1674234254031724544

Also short clip. 1 min.
https://youtu.be/b8GGvkASAdc

Putin meets adoring crowd on Dagestan visit
The Telegraph
3.91M subscribers
17,200 views Jun 29, 2023 #putin #dagestan #russia
Vladimir Putin made a rare public appearance in the remote southern region of Dagestan on Wednesday, greeting crowds just days after the attempted Wagner coup.

Russian media published images of the Russian leader interacting with a cordoned-off crowd on a main street in the Caspian city of Derbent, clasping the hands of excited supporters, as he met with regional officials to discuss tourism in the region.
Top

Official languages   Russian;[8]

    AghulAvarAzerbaijaniChechenDargwaKumykLezginLakNogaiRutulTabasaranTatTsakhur

[9][10]

The ethnicities represented in the State Council are Avars, Dargins, Kumyks, Lezgins, Laks, Azerbaijanis, Tabasarans, Russians, Chechens, Nogais, Aguls, Rutuls, Tsakhurs, and Tats.

Also 20 sec clip
https://twitter.com/jacksonhinklle/status/1674234254031724544
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 02, 2023, 03:36:46 PM

https://gab.com/twelveyearsnotaslave/posts/110643247198509433
The Prime Minister of Poland just released a video on his Twitter account illustrating the difference between 2 European countries, one with immigrants and the other one without them
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 02, 2023, 05:10:12 PM
https://strategic-culture.org/news/2023/07/02/america-has-just-destroyed-a-great-empire/

America has Just Destroyed a Great Empire
July 2, 2023
© Photo: Public domain

By Michael HUDSON
...
Having endowed the region’s cosmopolitan Temple of Delphi with substantial silver and gold, Croesus asked its Oracle whether he would be successful in the conquest that he had planned. The Pythia priestess answered: “If you go to war against Persia, you will destroy a great empire.” ...So Croesus did indeed destroy a great empire, but it was his own.
...
The president asked for advice from today’s analogue to antiquity’s Delphi oracle: the CIA and its allied think tanks. Instead of warning against hubris, they encouraged the neocon dream that attacking Russia and China would consolidate U.S. control of the world economy, achieving the End of History.
...
Having organized a coup d’état in Ukraine in 2014, the United States sent its NATO proxy army eastward, giving weapons to Ukraine to fight an ethnic war against its Russian-speaking population and turn Russia’s Crimean naval base into a NATO fortress. This Croesus-level ambition aimed at drawing Russia into combat and depleting its ability to defend itself, wrecking its economy in the process and destroying its ability to provide military support to China and other countries targeted for seeking self-dependency as an alternative to U.S. hegemony.
...
The Biden-Blinken-Nuland administration has done what neither Vladimir Putin nor Chinese President Xi could have hoped to achieve in so short a period.
...
But their attention has now been focused by the U.S. confiscation of Russia’s official dollar reserves in NATO countries. That dispelled the thought of the dollar as a safe vehicle in which to hold international savings.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2023, 09:01:59 AM
So Mikey is happy and blame is clearly assigned and fates are sealed.  Yay.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 11:30:42 AM
So Mikey is happy and blame is clearly assigned and fates are sealed.  Yay.

I'm not sure if Hudson is happy about it. There must be a reason much of the world started to work around US financial hegemony in the past year.

Why did the Saudis pick this year to sell oil to China in Yuan?

IMO the US acted like a school yard bully and had financial hegemony. That benefited US citizens. The US over played its hand. Putin punched the bully in the nose and the other kids noticed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 12:07:09 PM

Col. Macgregor gives a fast paced history including Ukraine. Then about Asia, then US. 32 min. Maybe his best ever.  Not the versions you hear on the US MSM. He said Ukraine has a pop of 90 million in early 1990s. At the start of the war (201? 2022?) he said pop was 37.7 million. Now 18-20 million.

He against says we need to address problems at home. We are protected by two oceans and there are no  Russian or Chinese armies threatening US.

Eisenhower said neutral countries were good because there were less to defend. Like Austria. Now?

He said there are no communists in China. China, Japan, Korea want to be like Singapore. Singapore is fascist. Xi is like an emperor and they are happy with that. Chinese want security from invasion, food, and shelter. US elites should be forced to provide those.

https://youtu.be/c6ehKpLWMNU
 Douglas Macgregor & James Patrick: The Russia's breakout offensive
Douglas Macgregor Straight Calls
92.2K subscribers
29K views  4 hours ago
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 03, 2023, 01:14:09 PM
China is totalitarian...

...the illegitimate corrupt government of ours wants to be like China.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 03, 2023, 04:41:03 PM
China is totalitarian...

...the illegitimate corrupt government of ours wants to be like China.

I have spent a lot of time trying to learn about China and it is still too weird to understand. The little I know is from a series of stories and videos.

They do not even think the same as westerners. According to The Geography of Thought that may be due to their verb oriented language. Culture? Genetics? 50,000 years apart will do things.

Quote
the illegitimate corrupt government of ours wants to be like China.
BUT without any of the competence. They actually build things. Yeah I know about lots of crappy construction.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 04, 2023, 04:23:16 PM
8 min history lesson on US support for NAZIs in Ukraine
BTW The reason I find this so interesting is I knew nothing about it. I thought WWII ended. US and USSR took in NAZIS to build rockets.  Commies took over eastern Europe. Cold War meant spying. US did some coups around the world like Latin America, Iran, etc. This explains why so many NAZIS in Ukraine but not elsewhere.

https://youtu.be/DFTJOTmx6h0?t=747 (https://youtu.be/DFTJOTmx6h0?t=747)

12:34 this conflict provides the only path to power for the Banderites
14:30 how the Azov became mainstream in the army. Security. Govt.
15:45 the Banderite body count in WWII. 30-40K Jews in Bobi Yar. 110K Poles?
16:20 how the CIA ran a covert war inside Poland Ukraine. Total dead: 48K Soviet security forces, 250K Russian civilians, 150K -200K Bandera supporters. 1945-1954
17:15 1954 some 150-200K  fled to US, UK, Canada.
18:30 The Banderite 150-200K diaspora used by CIA to hurt USSR inside USSR
18:45 150K Banderite sent to gulags.10-20 year sentences Khrushchev released them in 1956.
19:15 150K Bandera supporters returned to Ukraine. 1956-1990 CIA supported them inside Ukraine.
19:30 1990 CIA stopped paying them and used  NED to pay them, and used other NGOs.
20:30 US politicians tried to stop paying Azov etc. Later denied there were NAZIs in Ukraine

https://www.rbth.com/history/330877-5-cia-operations-against-soviets (https://www.rbth.com/history/330877-5-cia-operations-against-soviets)
Operation CARTEL, whose goal was to support Ukrainian nationalists, was already in full swing in the late 1940s. During those years the operation changed its name many times, but remains better known as AERODYNAMIC.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 04, 2023, 04:40:39 PM


Danilov announces the 'real' goal of the counter offensive

Oleksiy Danilov
@OleksiyDanilov
Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Coordinator of the Staff of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief
https://twitter.com/OleksiyDanilov/status/1676118862998257664
Oleksiy Danilov
@OleksiyDanilov
At this stage of active hostilities, Ukraine’s Defense Forces are fulfilling the number one task – the maximum destruction of manpower, equipment, fuel depots, military vehicles, command posts, artillery and air defense forces of the russian army. The last few days have been particularly fruitful. Now the war of destruction is equal to the war of kilometers. More destroyed means more liberated. The more effective the former, the more the latter. We are acting calmly, wisely, step by step.
1:40 AM · Jul 4, 2023
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32.8K
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 05, 2023, 08:34:42 AM
This is bullsh*t...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-preparing-nuclear-explosion-russian-reduces-zaporizhzhia-plant-presence (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-preparing-nuclear-explosion-russian-reduces-zaporizhzhia-plant-presence)

I have zero trust in Uke or Rus government...I think both are full of sh*t and both bear responsibility for actions in this war...with possession bearing the greater lead role in responsibility...

Others will merely be happy to accept someone's propaganda hook line and sinker no matter what...but that holds zero credibility with me...

If Rus pull out...there needs to be an independently monitored withdrawal and handover...

But I bet that doesn't happen...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 05, 2023, 04:19:09 PM

Here is Zelensky saying that the Russians had placed explosives on the Zap nuclear plant.
https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/1676336904285966336

Now we have information from our intelligence that the Russian military has placed objects resembling explosives on the roof of several power units of the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. Perhaps to simulate an attack on the plant. Perhaps they have some other scenario. But in any case, the world sees – can't but see – that the only source of danger to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is Russia and no one else. Unfortunately, there was no timely and large-scale response to the terrorist attack on the Kakhovka hydroelectric power plant. And this may incite the Kremlin to commit new evil. It is the responsibility of everyone in the world to stop it, no one can stand aside, as radiation affects everyone.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 06, 2023, 08:02:37 AM
Radiated Lives Matter

OK, good to know...

LOL

Anyway, only one thing defeats the Russian desire to set off a massive dirty bomb...the prevailing winds from West to East...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 07, 2023, 01:10:47 PM
Good rundown of the pooh show in Ukraine and the upcoming Vilnius NATO Summit...

https://weapons.substack.com/p/what-to-expect-from-the-vilnius-nato?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1159397&post_id=133455850&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 07, 2023, 04:32:00 PM
Good rundown of the pooh show in Ukraine and the upcoming Vilnius NATO Summit...

https://weapons.substack.com/p/what-to-expect-from-the-vilnius-nato?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1159397&post_id=133455850&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email

Good. BTW the Turks used Leopards in Syria, likely with better training. ISIS lit them up. Don't know if that was mostly urban warfare or not.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 07, 2023, 04:33:28 PM

More interesting to me than most. Good part around 9:50. Alexander follows neocon US think tank publications. These people effect US foreign policy. The leading publications are Foreign Affairs, Foreign Policy, and the National Interest. Alexander follows these and sees a recent shift. US policy was to provoke Russia into a war over Ukraine, enact sanctions which would destroy the Russian economy which would force regime change in Russia. The west could then "decolonize" the Russian federation and pick apart the pieces. US govt, US corporations, and Russian oligarchs made a start at this in the 1990s.

Now some neocons are scared. This plan did not work out. Admitting Ukraine into NATO would lead to WWIII or NATO would admit Ukraine then refuse to go to war over Ukraine and NATO would fold. Some analysts predicted over a year that Ukraine war would destroy NATO.

Alexander studied the US politics over Vietnam. How did LBJ decide to end that war? LBJ was a realist who was not emotionally invested in hating Vietnam. Current US foreign policy leaders are emotionally invested ideologues, not realists.

https://youtu.be/EsYxz4OxsR0?t=584
on edit: LBJ was skeptical of experts but did not end the war. Nixon did. Both were realists not foaming at the mouth ideologues like now.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 09, 2023, 06:36:50 PM
Dreizin posted 50 more videos and photos of Ukraine war with an attempt to provide context, all since June 16?

https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/07/07/dreizin-new-material-since-june-16th-big-video-dump-1-the-dump-awakens/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 09, 2023, 06:38:07 PM

I heard that NATO 'experts' planned the recent counter offensive. I wonder what the morale is among those sent into these kill zones?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 10, 2023, 12:24:01 PM
Here is another Jacob Dreizin video dump. From the counter offensive allegedly planned by NATO geniuses.
Dreizin’s “new Ukr-offensive material since June 16th” Big Video Dump – Installment #2 – “RADARS OF THE LOST DUMP” and “HIRE MORE GRAVE DIGGERS” (22 vids)

https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/07/09/dreizins-new-ukr-offensive-material-since-june-16th-big-video-dump-installment-2-radars-of-the-lost-dump-and-hire-more-grave-diggers/

Remember, as I told you, The Big Counteroffensive started on the morning of June 4th (the MSM didn’t even begin to catch on for three days), and I already posted at least 135 videos and photos from the period June 4th to June 16th, here, here, here, and here. (Check it out if you haven’t already. You might have to scroll down to find the relevant content.)
...
Another Dreizin video dump
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/07/09/dreizins-new-ukr-offensive-material-since-june-16th-big-video-dump-installment-3-genocide-of-the-artillery-31-vids-1-photo/
Dreizin’s “new Ukr-offensive material since June 16th” Big Video Dump – Installment #3 – “GENOCIDE OF THE ARTILLERY” (28 vids & 1 photo)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 11, 2023, 09:31:38 AM

Another installment. Most or all of these are from this summer. I heard that the US pressured Ukraine into launching this counter offensive to get a PR win before the NATO meeting. I also heard US/NATO geniuses these planned it in detail. I actually watched some of these.

Dreizin did another video dump. He grew up in Russia and is ex US military. He provided commentary, not the music. He says Israeli patriotic music is derived from Tsarist/early USSR military music.
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/07/10/dreizins-new-ukr-offensive-material-since-june-16th-big-video-dump-installment-4-please-dreizin-make-it-stop-43-vids-9-photos/

Dreizin’s “new Ukr-offensive material since June 16th” Big Video Dump – Installment #4 – “PLEASE DREIZIN, MAKE IT STOP” (43 vids & 9 photos)

Published by dreizinreport on July 10, 2023

Folks, if this fourth installment finds you having missed the first installment (at least 50 videos and photos), second installment (22 videos), and third installment (28 videos and 1 photo), all from this past weekend,
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2023, 08:27:26 AM
https://justthenews.com/world/foreign-desk/former-chief-rabbi-moscow-tells-jews-leave-russia

"foreign agent" = "American Apologist" aka "Traitor"

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2023, 08:44:20 AM
This is hilarious and totally predictable...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/cia-leaking-like-sieve-as-it-blames-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/cia-leaking-like-sieve-as-it-blames-ukraine/)

...the spooks at Langley aren't worth a pot of piss...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 18, 2023, 08:42:17 AM
I like it when chickens come home to roost for all...it's not just Russians and their fragile egos and bitter-clinging memory of Stalin using millions as fodder...I mean the suffering at the hands of the Nazis in the Great Patriotic War...it's the sins of all and their bitter-clinging memories of shaming coming back to roost as well...

The hypothesis that the Anglo-Saxon axis is pivotal to the proxy war in Ukraine against Russia is only partly true. Germany is actually Ukraine’s second largest arms supplier, after the United States.

Chancellor Olaf Scholz pledged a new arms package worth €700 million, including additional tanks, munitions and Patriot air defense systems at the NATO summit in Vilnius, putting Berlin, as he said, at the very forefront of military support for Ukraine. German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius stressed, “By doing this, we’re making a significant contribution to strengthening Ukraine’s staying power.” However, the pantomime playing out may have multiple motives. Fundamentally, Germany’s motivation is traceable to the crushing defeat by the Red Army and has little to do with Ukraine as such.

The Ukraine crisis has provided the context for accelerating Germany’s militarization. Meanwhile, revanchist feelings are rearing their head and there is a “bipartisan consensus” among Germany’s leading centrist parties — CDU, SPD and Green Party — in this regard.

In an interview last weekend, the CDU’s leading foreign and defense expert Roderich Kiesewetter (an ex-colonel who headed the Association of Reservists of the Bundeswehr from 2011 to 2016) suggested that if conditions warrant in the Ukraine situation, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization should consider cutting off “Kaliningrad from the Russian supply lines. We see how Putin reacts when he is under pressure.”

Berlin is still smarting under the surrender of the ancient Prussian city of Königsberg [now Kaliningrad] in April 1945.

Stalin ordered 1.5 million Soviet troops supported by several thousand tanks and aircraft to attack the crack Nazi Panzer divisions deeply entrenched in Königsberg. The capture of the heavily fortified stronghold of Königsberg by the Soviet army was celebrated in Moscow with an artillery salvo by 324 cannons firing 24 shells each. 

Nothing Forgotten in Berlin

Evidently, Kiesewetter’s remarks show that nothing is forgotten or forgiven in Berlin even after eight decades. Thus, Germany is the Biden administration’s closest ally in the war against Russia.

The German government has stated its understanding for the Biden administration’s controversial decision to supply Ukraine with cluster ammunition. The government spokesman commented in Berlin, “We are certain that our US friends did not make their decision lightly, to deliver this sort of munition.”

President Frank-Walter Steinmeier remarked, “In the current situation, one should not obstruct the USA.” Indeed, the top CDU figure, Kiesewetter, suggested in an interview with the Green Party-affiliated daily taz that Ukraine should be given “guarantees, and if necessary, even provided with nuclear assistance, as an intermediary step to NATO membership.”

Coinciding with the NATO summit in Vilnius on Tuesday and Wednesday, Rheinmetall, the great 135-year-old German arms manufacturing company, has disclosed that it is opening an armored vehicle plant in western Ukraine at an undisclosed location in the next 12 weeks.

To begin with, German Fuchs armored personnel carriers will be built and repaired while there are plans afoot to manufacture ammunition and possibly even air defense systems and tanks.

Rheinmetall’s CEO told CNN on Monday that like other Ukrainian arms factories, the new plant could be protected from Russian air attack. Germany has more than doubled the 2022 allocation of €2 billion for upgrading Ukraine’s armed forces. It now touches around €5.4 billion with further plans to increase to €10.5 billion.

Contending with Poland

Now, is this all about Russia? Germany cannot be unaware that Ukraine has simply no hope on earth to defeat Russia militarily. Germany is playing the long game. It is creating equity in western Ukraine where it is not Russia but Poland that is its contender.

Ever since the Tsarist army advanced into Galicia in 1914, Russia has had a difficult history with Ukrainian nationalists. If the current war in Ukraine spreads to western Ukraine, that cannot be Russia’s choice but out of some necessity forced upon it. 

The Soviet victory in Ukraine in October 1944, the Red Army’s occupation of Eastern Europe and Allied diplomacy resulted in a redrawing of Poland’s western frontiers with Germany and Ukraine’s with Poland.

Simply put, with compensation of German territories in the west, Poland agreed to the cession of Volhynia and Galicia in western Ukraine; a mutual population exchange created for the first time in centuries a clear ethnic, as well as political, Polish-Ukrainian border.

It is entirely conceivable that the ongoing Ukraine war will radically change the territorial boundaries of Ukraine in the east and south. Possibly, it can re-open the post-World War II settlement with regard to western Ukraine as well.

Russia has repeatedly warned that Poland aims to reverse the cession of Volhynia and Galicia in western Ukraine. Such a turn of events will most certainly bring to the fore the issue of the German territories that are part of Poland today.

Perhaps, it was in anticipation of turbulence ahead that last October, eight months after the Russian intervention began in  February 2022, that Warsaw demanded WWII reparations from Berlin — an issue which Germany says was settled in 1990 — to the tune of €1.3 trillion.

Under the Potsdam Conference of 1945, the “former eastern territories of Germany” comprising nearly one quarter (23.8 percent) of the Weimar Republic with the majority was ceded to Poland. The remainder, consisting of northern East Prussia including the German city of Königsberg (renamed Kaliningrad), was allocated to the Soviet Union.

Make no mistake about the importance of the eastern border for German culture and politics. Indeed, there is always something volatile about a “handicapped” Great Power when a whole new intensity appears in political, economic and historical circumstances, which prompts those in power to turn ideas into reality, and revanchist and imperialistic discourses that were quietly but steadily streaming below the surface of the carefully considered diplomatic efforts begin to probe pan-nationalist expansion.

In retrospect, Germany’s — in particular, then foreign minister and current President Steinmeier’s — diabolical role to align Germany with the neo-Nazi elements during the regime change in Kiev in 2014 and the subsequent German perfidy in the implementation of the Minsk Agreement (“Steinmeier formula”), as admitted as recently in February by former Chancellor Angela Merkel should not be forgotten.

Suffice it to say, even as Russia is winning the Ukraine war, the concern of the German foreign policy makers once again faces the need to redefine what was German.

Thus, the war in Ukraine is only the means to an end. Recent reports suggest that Berlin may be moving, finally, toward meeting Ukraine’s pending demand for Taurus cruise missiles with a range exceeding 500 kms and unique “multi-effect war head” that can be a game changer in the combat dynamics on the battlefield and create the prerequisites for victory.

Equally, German soldiers already comprise about half of the NATO battlegroup already present in Lithuania. Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said two weeks ago while on a visit to Vilnius that Germany is preparing the infrastructure to permanently base 4,000 soldiers (“a robust brigade”) to Lithuania so as to have the capability to maintain military flexibility at the eastern flank. The decision has support from both Germany’s governing coalition and its main opposition.

The CDU foreign policy expert and member of the Bundestag, Kiesewetter called the idea of establishing a German base in the Baltics a “decision of reason and reliability.”

Indeed, there have been past attempts, historically speaking, to create German rule in the Baltics based on revisionist claims towards the new states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania where German colonists had settled as far back as in the 12th and 13th centuries.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/remilitarized-germany-playing-long-game-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/remilitarized-germany-playing-long-game-ukraine)

I projected Konigsberg being put in play long ago...and US drones and manned recon aircraft have included its borders in their Eastern Front non-stop patrols from the Black Sea to Finland.  And now the sins of Europe and Russia are bubbling up...all those centuries of invasion, occupation, rape, pillage and counter-attack and reparations is providing the impetus for a grand repetition on a modern scale.

All the more reason for the US to bow out of another Old World sh*t-show.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 19, 2023, 06:05:21 PM
Ex US Marine ex pat lives in Thailand. Brian Berletic at The New Atlas. He found a 2013 USAID/NED paper on Crimea and discusses it. A 2013 US  poll.

Elsewhere he says that in 2014 the Parliament of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea asked for Russian protection. Crimea was not just another oblast and Autonomous Republic of Crimea  was its name.
https://youtu.be/PGoNNbnQmjg?t=1143 (https://youtu.be/PGoNNbnQmjg?t=1143)

The New Atlas
[As I recall, Kiev announced pans to strip the Crimean autonomy and cancel the naval base agreement and lease]

What do you consider yourself?  Russian 40%,  Crimean 24%,   Crimean Tartar 15%,  Ukrainian 15%
If Crimea could join only one what should it join?  Russian customs union 53%, EU 17% .

What should the status of Crimea be?  Autonomy in Ukraine (as today) 53%, Given to Russia 23%, Crimean Tartar Autonomy in Ukraine 12%, DK/NA 10%, Common oblast in Ukraine 2%.

https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec705.pdf (https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec705.pdf)


Russia cannot leave Crimea because Ukraine will slaughter them.

https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/8507 (https://t.me/infodefENGLAND/8507)

The Ukrainian armed forces are ready to kill or capture all Russians in Crimea, said former U.S. Army Commander-in-Chief Ben Hodges

Quote
"The Ukrainians' strategic goal is to retake Crimea, and if they can do that by withdrawing the Russians without firing a single shot, so much the better. But if they have to kill or capture every Russian on the peninsula, they will do it."

Here is who he wants to slaughter or drive off land they have been on for 300 years.
https://youtu.be/h9RwYPsVpfM (https://youtu.be/h9RwYPsVpfM)

Also I found the grain agreement and a parallel agreement between Russia and the UN filed on the same day as the grain agreement. Reporting on the grain agreement and the other is so poor that I have no idea what was actually done. Russia alleges that nothing was done to benefit them under the parallel agreement or some such. They also allege that the grain corridor and ships in the corridor were used to launch attacks on Russian assets. There used to be investigative journalists long ago.

https://news.un.org/pages/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/MOU_21_July_UN-Secretariat86.pdf (https://news.un.org/pages/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/MOU_21_July_UN-Secretariat86.pdf)

https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/black_sea_grain_initiative_full_text.pdf (https://www.un.org/sites/un2.un.org/files/black_sea_grain_initiative_full_text.pdf)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 19, 2023, 06:15:16 PM
Douglas Macgregor talks to a couple people about Ukraine.
 NATO Members Are Now Openly Discussing War Plans Against Russia
Douglas Macgregor S.C.
He was a HS exchange student in Germany and lived and worked there in the US army.

https://youtu.be/rQ02D3r5nTw
NATO Members Are Now Openly Discussing War Plans Against Russia
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 20, 2023, 08:11:37 PM
This is a 14 min doc on the Lanets, including the production line. It has English subtitles at the bottom.
I think this must be old as it has the 1 and 2 models but not the 3.
It shows women making the fiberglass parts at 12:20  I think. Low tech.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1516qxu/ru_pov_russia_1_tv_report_on_the_lancet_drone/?context=3 (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1516qxu/ru_pov_russia_1_tv_report_on_the_lancet_drone/?context=3)

Posted by
u/Uljeitu
4 days ago
RU pov: Russia 1 TV report on the Lancet drone. Includes an exclusive inside look at a Lancet assembly site, as well as new Lancet upgrades and modifications. One of the next-generation Lancet upgrades is a Lancet swarm drone variant, with a launching tube system. (AI ENG SUB)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2023, 09:40:48 AM
F-16's by end of the year...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-receive-f-16s-end-year-kirby-says (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-receive-f-16s-end-year-kirby-says)

...fat targets for untrained imbeciles.

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-warns-false-flag-attacks-russia-targets-civilian-ships-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-warns-false-flag-attacks-russia-targets-civilian-ships-ukraine)

...I don't trust Amerikan or Rus propaganda.  Y'all are complicit.  Perfect dance partners.

First test - the Romanian Black Sea corridor...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-nato-positioned-clash-over-black-sea-amid-putins-blockade-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-nato-positioned-clash-over-black-sea-amid-putins-blockade-ukraine)

...and the side benefit of isolating Crimea.

And as for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-cracks-down-angry-patriots-wake-wagner-mutiny (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-cracks-down-angry-patriots-wake-wagner-mutiny)

...no different than FJB labelling non-demoscats "extremists" and using government to persecute them.

And this is hilarious...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-drone-attacks-increase-scale-after-overnight-moscow-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-drone-attacks-increase-scale-after-overnight-moscow-attack)

...jam a Uke drone, hits building...Uke's are terrorists.  Yeah, OK...feel better now?

 ::)

I sense missile attacks in Uke held Ukrainian territory...and then some more Crimean festivities...

Rinse-repeat often...  The Rus-Uke hokey-pokey...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 24, 2023, 01:05:10 PM
Looks like Putin is using Lukashenko and Wagner to issue threats to Poland and its neighbors...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/lukashenko-putin-wagner-pmc-troops-want-go-west/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/07/lukashenko-putin-wagner-pmc-troops-want-go-west/)

...no report that Putin disputed this...just the usual Poland wants to invade Belarus and seize Western Ukraine...

SSDD
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 24, 2023, 08:15:57 PM

I was doing remote work today and have youtube on in background. I hear things and make a short note if anything interesting. Just because I hear something does not mean it it true.

Brian Berletic and some journalist that covers Asia was on. I had heard some of this before.
The US jumped on the Hong Kong protests to ratchet things up.
The protest was not exactly organic. The HK law at the center of the original protests was not what the west said it was. The US may have done this to provoke a crack down that would influence the Taiwan election, which it did. HK kinda realizes they were had. Alleged Chinese docs translated into English were actually the other way around. etc.

https://youtu.be/qPzOqkrwhI0 (https://youtu.be/qPzOqkrwhI0)
 Hong Kong's Victory of US Meddling: Nury Vittachi on Hong Kong's Past, Present & Future
The New Atlas
238K subscribers
31,113 views  Jul 24, 2023
Nury tells the story of Hong Kong’s transition from a British territory to a fully sovereign territory within China, free of disruptive foreign influence, maintaining its unique characteristics within the “One Country, Two Systems” arrangement, and about the violence and instability that unfolded beforehand.   
Please Find & Follow Nury Vittachi:
Online: https://www.fridayeveryday.com/ (https://www.fridayeveryday.com/)
On YouTube:    / fridayeverydaycom 

https://youtu.be/lRfneRwSCW4 (https://youtu.be/lRfneRwSCW4)
 A NEW EUROPE, WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE? W/@TheDuran
Through the eyes of

Polish Ania is visiting Moscow now and so is Alex I think. He grew up in Moscow, Mexico City, and US, but is from Cyprus. He was there when the Cyprus and Greek financial systems collapsed. In both the result was even more control.

Kinda mostly a wrap up of the situation in EU. US rules EU rules the countries. The EU is self destructing on US orders. Most EU rulers do not even pretend to care any more. They  have their eyes on their next globalist job. IMF? NATO? World Bank?

Macron dances at Elton John while France burns and allows videos taken. Trudeau does not care. The German ministers do not pretend to care about Germans. If a leader cares,  like Orban, he is called a thug.

The EU world leaders have few ideals, mostly political infighting as they hate each other.

 
Scott Ritter mentions a famous 1993 Soros article. He says that the future of NATO is to marry US weapons with Eastern European manpower to attack Russia. That way no US body bags to harm the effort. Just Eastern Europeans. That is at the start of the video.
https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY (https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY)
 Scott Ritter - A Dire Confrontation to End The War
Begin Invest

Around 15 min.
https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY?t=919 (https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY?t=919)
He talks about screw ups in Iraq by US. Examples. So it is  not just the Russians who screw up. I never heard of this!


23 min.
https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY?t=1398 (https://youtu.be/2R9j2_JOMeY?t=1398)
Famous Ukr 47th Mech Brigade. They were the best. Elite. Trained in Germany. Got new weapons. Educated in NATO warfare. The info warfare and Sgt Major is on youtube and tik tok. Big name. Ritter follows him. After Vilnius he says they are out of everything. He resigns as Sgt Major, demotes himself to Sgt. to just fight. Says Kiev lies to them.


Judge Nap has former CIA guy Larry Johnson on . A historical Ukr church/cathedral on list of historic places, was hit with a missile. Zelensky did a photo op. Blames Russia. Larry says that the Wiki page for the church was updated to report the Russian attack ..... 30 minutes before the attack. Likely false flag?

I recall when the missiles hit Poland and killed a couple farmers. Ze called this an attack on NATO and asked NATO to intervene. They were Ukr missiles. I thought they went off course. I heard one expert say that that trajectory could not have been an accident. So .....
https://youtu.be/P6I78iocaiY (https://youtu.be/P6I78iocaiY)
 Ukraine Offensive - Is it Failing? w/Larry Johnson fmr CIA
Judge Napolitano - Judging Free

I recall a couple weeks ago. I hear sudden increased chatter from Ukr that Russia will blow up the Zap nuke plant they control. Kiev is training the locals on what to do and handing out iodine pills. A US RC 135 nuke sniffing pane leaves US for EU. Two US senators introduce resolution calling for NATO involvement in UKr if Russia blows up the plant. All in the same week. Then Russia says Kiev planes to hit the plant with a dirty bomb warhead enough to set off nuke sensors around EU. Rumors were flying that the US told Kiev to not even think about it.

This is good! Short video clip. Can't allow this to go on!
https://t.me/putingers_cat/6221 (https://t.me/putingers_cat/6221)
2010. Ukrainian, Russian and Belarusian military are parading together in Kiev

And then came Vicky Nuland...

Hmmm. Unusual. A break in the info dam.
https://t.me/Reality_Theories/13163 (https://t.me/Reality_Theories/13163)
I'm surprised by the below. Usually Western NGOs overlook the murder of Syrian, Russian, Palestinian journalists...because the culprit is always a Western proxy terrorist.


"International Federation of Journalists Calls For Investigation Into Killing Of Russian War Reporter In Ukraine."

RT:

"Ukraine Forces Strike Journalists with Cluster Munitions

Correspondents from Izvestia and RIA Novosti were preparing to document artillery attacks by Ukraine with cluster bombs on residential areas of the Zaporozhye region.

Four of them were rushed to a field hospital, however, Rostislav Zhuravlev succumbed to his injuries. Three others are said to have non-life threatening injuries."
https://www.rt.com/russia/580132-kiev-practice-terror-journalist-death/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/580132-kiev-practice-terror-journalist-death/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 25, 2023, 08:11:40 AM
OK, that last one just made me smile...

Here's some BS - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion)

If you talk about it out loud...chances are high it isn't happening...

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-signs-law-introduction-digital-ruble-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-signs-law-introduction-digital-ruble-russia)

...governments long used to controlling their populations almost always are leaders in implementing new ways to ensure control is maintained.

Only plus I potentially see on this is linking the dystopian act to an unpopular government in a campaign to prevent the same grievous mistake being implemented here...but the uniparty/deepstate assholes will try...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 25, 2023, 07:53:37 PM
OK, that last one just made me smile...

Here's some BS - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion)

If you talk about it out loud...chances are high it isn't happening...

...

CIA releases ad to recruit Russian agents
https://youtu.be/u0S45cjmOag (https://youtu.be/u0S45cjmOag)

Russia replies.  :lolh:
https://youtu.be/eEQS2RC1Cwc (https://youtu.be/eEQS2RC1Cwc)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 26, 2023, 08:04:55 AM
OK, that last one just made me smile...

Here's some BS - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-mi6-seek-recruit-among-russias-elite-after-wagner-rebellion)

If you talk about it out loud...chances are high it isn't happening...

...

CIA releases ad to recruit Russian agents
https://youtu.be/u0S45cjmOag (https://youtu.be/u0S45cjmOag)

Russia replies.  :lolh:
https://youtu.be/eEQS2RC1Cwc (https://youtu.be/eEQS2RC1Cwc)

That response tells me the Russians agree with me...it is all just a too obvious psyop campaign not meant to recruit but to sow more dissatisfaction in the populous with their government...

As with anything...only the weak-minded, lazy and stupid could be swayed by such BS...and who needs them anyway?  Low-end fodder!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 26, 2023, 08:20:45 PM
This IMO is the scariest news yet...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/details-secret-us-russia-talks-revealed-ukraine-counteroffensive-bad-shape (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/details-secret-us-russia-talks-revealed-ukraine-counteroffensive-bad-shape)

...in the wake of the 6th interaction of Russian & American aircraft (US drone & Su27 over Syria) and the need for track 1.5 necassary because 1.0 is sh*t highlights how dangerous a misstep could be at this point.

Pray for us all!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 26, 2023, 09:31:00 PM
I heard that the US and Russians have a deconfliction hotline for Syria, at the commanding officer level. Wagner was doing something on the side for some warlord and was advancing on the Americans. Americans called over the hotline and asked, "Is that you?" Russians said no as they had nothing in the area. Lots of Wagner troops got clobbered by US. I remember that but it just said Russians.

I remember that recent incident with US drone and Russian jet dumping fuel. Some military guy said that was old cold war trick. I looked at the drone and there were three giant fins spaced 120 degrees apart  just in front of the pusher prop. No way a jet hit the prop and lived to tell about it.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on July 26, 2023, 09:50:05 PM
Speaking of east vs west. I am addicted to this singer from the Russian far east. This is one of her funnier music videos.


https://youtu.be/vuFFYObr8ZU
 Red Alert 3 - Soviet March - TRUE EPIC RUSSIAN COVER
Alina Gingertail
@wjzav1971
@wjzav1971
2 years ago (edited)
I love the irony of actual Russians dressed as Russian stereotypes, singing a Russian song that was composed by an American, written by a British, for an American video game, displaying an over-the-top version of the Soviet Union.

https://youtu.be/ylX7fcqEa8w
 World of Tanks - Studzianki (Gingertail Cover)
Alina Gingertail
This is said to be in some old Polish dialect that  Alina does very well.




Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on July 31, 2023, 10:54:04 AM
Corrupt elections in a powerful nation...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/america-first-approach-end-war-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/america-first-approach-end-war-ukraine)

...can have disastrous consequences for peace and human existence...

...exacerbated by the puppet FJB regimes continued belligerency and stupidity...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/arms-experts-blast-biden-not-sending-russia-proposal-curb-nuke-deployments (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/arms-experts-blast-biden-not-sending-russia-proposal-curb-nuke-deployments)

...meanwhile Uke drones (fmade by...?) hit Moscow...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-drones-strike-moscows-financial-district (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/watch-drones-strike-moscows-financial-district)

...and Communist China is providing the ubiquitous "dual use" components to Russia which should not come as a surprise to anyone...but still is yet another data-point in the escalating conflict...

...and as for this POS...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/saudi-arabias-bone-saw-prince-host-ukraine-peace-summit (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/saudi-arabias-bone-saw-prince-host-ukraine-peace-summit)

...my tolerance for SA jackasses is null...and without getting OPEC to open the oil spigots our corrupt illegitimate FJB puppet government has made us hostages of why would the war with Russia loving crowd GAFF?

...and Syria could be heating up again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ready-clash-us-over-syrian-skies-putin-says (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ready-clash-us-over-syrian-skies-putin-says)

..as for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-long-will-war-last (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/how-long-will-war-last)

...it go as long as all sides remain eager to kill.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 01, 2023, 08:04:37 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/more-warmongers-elevated-biden-administration (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/more-warmongers-elevated-biden-administration)

Yeah well, has the bloated whale Nuland up to date on all clot-shot boosters?  Ready the harpoons!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2023, 10:07:56 AM
Russian state news agency RIA said the port and grain infrastructure hit at the port was housing foreign mercenaries and military hardware and a naval ship repair yard had also been targeted. Reuters was not able to verify the report.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hits-port-grain-silo-ukraines-odesa-region-official-2023-08-02/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hits-port-grain-silo-ukraines-odesa-region-official-2023-08-02/)

Crippling the grain infrastructure was intended collateral damage...and the Russians know it...always true of anybody's collateral damage...people know the risks, they say eff it and do it anyway.  SSDD
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 02, 2023, 12:17:16 PM
Blowing the ports might have been the intended reason.
RU alleged that Kiev was using the ports to store weapons as they were considered safe under the grain deal.
RU also alleged that Kiev was launching the maritime drones from the ports. Also using boats from the ports to launch drones.
Someone said that blowing the ports looks better than sinking grain ships.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2023, 02:16:49 PM
Depends on your point of view...reckon people elsewhere on the globe starving have one opinion...though elites everywhere value their opinions the least and only want to exploit them...they get screwed the most...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 03, 2023, 08:20:03 AM
There is so much BS on all sides of this sh*t-show it isn't funny...

If you listen to the reviled anti-elitist Western experts Russia is crushing Ukraine and Ukraine is ready to collapse...

Then you see stuff like this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-begins-arming-citizen-volunteers-hard-hit-belgorod-border-region (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-begins-arming-citizen-volunteers-hard-hit-belgorod-border-region)

...the Russians have a funny interpretation of "nearing collapse"...

...and, if Ukraine is clearly near collapse...well, since only one side in this started and continues the loose nuke talk (yes, Russia, sorry)...if Russia is about to lose they'll nuke and if Ukraine is about to loose and/or FJB is about to be politically defeated, they'll nuke...well, the "experts" saying Ukraine is near collapse must indicate nukes being released is right around the corner...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 03, 2023, 02:00:16 PM
Douglas Macgregor did some recent pithy talks on globalism. He said globalists hate Russia the same way they hate US citizens. They want to destroy the national identity of both.

Soros wrote some article around 2016(?) saying that he wanted to tear Russia apart and the best way was to use western technology and eastern European manpower as the US and western Europe did not have the stomach for all the body bags.

Then there was the 209(?) RAND paper detailing on how  to "ever extend Russia" where the best way was using Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 04, 2023, 11:20:01 AM
Ahh...paranoia, how could I have forgotten that?!

https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-03-putin-private-armies-protection-wagner-soldiers.html (https://www.naturalnews.com/2023-08-03-putin-private-armies-protection-wagner-soldiers.html)

Offsetting private military cadre with, ahh, umm...more private military cadres...

 :o
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 07, 2023, 09:50:07 AM
Alarmist pantywaists...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-dispatches-warships-after-china-russia-sent-huge-naval-flotilla-near-alaska (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/us-dispatches-warships-after-china-russia-sent-huge-naval-flotilla-near-alaska)

Huge?  No.  Significant show of force in modern terms, sure.  We do exercises, they show up with whatever response...they do exercises, we show up with whatever response...

This shizzle goes on all the time.

That being said...given tensions, all it takes is for one idiot to make a mistake...

But that has been true every year after 1945...

Meanwhile, back in Europe...

The Suwa?ki Gap has been a vulnerable point of access a long damn time...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/Suwalki-Gap.png)

...plus, it has the added value of being obvious...which a savvy field commander should know how to exploit.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 07, 2023, 12:32:00 PM

 I saw headlines about Wagner being close to Polish border.
Then I heard it was a big nothing as they have no armor, artillery, or air support.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 07, 2023, 12:34:41 PM
The crowd is chanting "Hang the Moscovite!" They certainly get off on this sort of stuff.

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/58249
And this is still 2013. There has been no return of Crimea and the Russian Spring has not yet begun. Western Ukraine.
And yes, what you see is the usual methods of propaganda with masses of people.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 07, 2023, 04:54:43 PM

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/ (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/make-peace-you-fools/)


Douglas Macgregor
Aug 1, 2023 1:00 PM
Make Peace, You Fools!

America’s proxy war with Russia has transformed Ukraine into a graveyard.

...
Washington discounts Ukrainian losses and exaggerates Russian losses. Officers present at meetings in the Pentagon tell me that minor Ukrainian battlefield successes (that are almost instantly reversed) loom large in the discussions held in four-star headquarters, the White House, and Foggy Bottom. These reports are treated as incontrovertible evidence of inevitable Ukrainian victory. In this climate, staff officers are reluctant to highlight effective Russian military performance or the impact of Russia’s expanding military power.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2023, 08:08:00 AM
Just like Hitler and his generals...

That worked out well...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 08, 2023, 08:38:21 AM

PL interview with commander of some DPR unit he embedded with in  a longer video.
This version is dubbed into English with subtitles.

https://t.me/southfronteng/37616

Here is the original video toward the end. Just before he interviews the commander. Subtitled not dubbed.
He was near the front, getting shot at and shelled a little. The soldiers and commander are laid back.
Interview at 40:30

He was asked about the attack on the Crimea bridge. He said it is not used to transport military equipment as the land bridge is 500 km shorter. He said maybe Zelensky is upset he no longer receives passive income from his rental property in Crimea. Says now it will take vacationers and extra 2 hours to get to Crimea.

https://youtu.be/WgQKQHPrqUU?t=2332

 Intense Russian Frontline Battle Underfire( Avdeevka Special Report)
Patrick Lancaster
559K subscribers
96,704 views  Aug 6, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Frontline battle has been increasing across the contact line of the Russian Ukraine war. In this special report I imbed with the Russian Forces (DPR Pitnashka Battalion) on the Avdiivka / Avdeevka frontline just 70 meters from Ukrainian military positions. During our time there we spoke to both Russian mobilization and soldiers from Donetsk who have been fighting against Ukraine for 9 years. Unfortunately we were spotted by a Ukrainian drone that began to assist Ukrainian soldiers in targeting us with Artillery and automatic gunfire.
It was a very close call but we made it out alive to continue to bring you the fact on the ground that the western mainstream media is ignoring.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 08, 2023, 08:52:59 AM
I linked to 1:44:00. Redacted is not a great show as they seldom add any value to content they poach from people who do the real digging. Here they seem to be paying Patrick Lancaster for good content. Here he goes into how a small Kamikaze FPV drone works with the operator in the field. I have never seen this before. The drone  is small and has some explosive device zip tied to it.

Drone arming at 1:47:30
Drone flys at 1:52:40
https://youtu.be/ACs8y3sRSSg?t=6244
 
 No ONE is ready for what's coming in weeks, it's going to be bad | Redacted with Clayton Morris
Redacted
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 08, 2023, 09:55:38 AM
Thing is loud...probably has to work at max to carry the weight...how stupid are people on the ground not hearing that thing come?  It was flying low...if high it could be a lot harder to hear...my nephew & friend have DJ drones...they get close it's hard not to hear...and acoustic detection, AI sky trackers, thermal imagers, IR imagers should be able to detect too...

 ::)

ETA - Maybe time for the back-flipping-hatchet throwers, eh?

https://thepeoplescube.com/download/file.php?id=55974

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 10:46:13 AM
Here is the 1993 Soros link. ZH from Jan 2023
First time reading it for me.
It does not directly propose attacking Russia but says that "closed societies" are a threat. I don't agree. IMO closed societies are those that are not for sale to globalists. Why does Soros want them "open"? Nations having enforced borders and not allowing unlimited immigration are not a threat to anyone but the globalists bottom line. Not following LGBTQ+ is not a threat to other countries. Globalism is its own dogma. What he calls "disorder" others call a multi-polar world resulting in BRICS etc.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/george-soros-urged-use-eastern-european-soldiers-reduce-risk-body-bags-nato-countries (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/george-soros-urged-use-eastern-european-soldiers-reduce-risk-body-bags-nato-countries)

https://www.georgesoros.com/1993/11/01/toward-a-new-world-order-the-future-of-nato/ (https://www.georgesoros.com/1993/11/01/toward-a-new-world-order-the-future-of-nato/)

...
It is possible to distinguish between open  and closed societies, as Karl Popper did, without any insight into the process of revolutionary change; and it is possible to use my theory of history without introducing the concepts of open and closed societies as I myself have done in my dealings in financial markets. But, at the present moment in history, I find the combination of the two elements particularly revealing.
...
Open and Closed Societies

This brings me to the second part of my conceptual framework. To understand the current situation, I contend that it is very useful to draw a distinction between open and closed societies. [IMO BS follows  as globalism is the dogma.]
...
Open society is based on the recognition of this principle and closed society on its denial. In a closed society, there is an authority which is the dispenser of the ultimate truth; open society does not recognize such authority even if it recognizes the rule of law and the sovereignty of the state. The state is not based on a dogma and society is not dominated by the state. The government is elected by the people and it can be changed. Above all, there is respect for minorities and minority opinions.
...
The Need for Collective Security

We did not oppose the Soviet Union because it was a closed society, but because it posed a threat to our existence. That threat has now disappeared and it is difficult to justify any kind of intervention—whether it is political, economic or military—on the grounds of national self- interest.
...
Without a new world order, there will be disorder; that much is clear. But who will act as the world’s policeman? That is the question that needs to be answered.
...
The United Nations might have become an effective organization if it were under the leadership of two superpowers cooperating with each other. As it is, the United Nations has already failed as an institution which could be put in charge of U.S. troops. This leaves NATO as the only institution of collective security that has not failed, because it has not been tried. NATO has the potential of serving as the basis of a new world order in that part of the world which is most in need of order and stability. But it can do so only if its mission is redefined. There is an urgent need for some profound new thinking with regard to NATO.
...
Therefore, if NATO has any mission at all, it is to project its power and influence into the region, and the mission is best defined in terms of open and closed societies.
...
Closed societies based on nationalist principles constitute a threat to security because they need an enemy, either outside or within.
...
It would be an express condition of membership in the Partnership for Peace that NATO is free to invite any member country to join NATO.
...
 Incidentally, the combination of manpower from Eastern Europe with the technical capabilities of NATO would greatly enhance the military potential of the Partnership because it would reduce the risk of body bags for NATO countries, which is the main constraint on their willingness to act. This is a viable alternative to the looming world disorder.
...
That may be unavoidable, but at least there ought to be a unified command. In this respect, NATO offers a better culture than the European Commission which has been put in charge of coordinating economic assistance. The G-7 ought to have developed a command structure for dealing with economic aid to the former Soviet Union, but did not. There is much to be gained from giving the task to the Partnership for Peace.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2023, 11:25:08 AM
Words mean things...so said Our Founders.

Definitions of Open and Closed have been blurred bastardized or outright been redefined...

Not the same as free and totalitarian...terms I naturally gravitate to...

IMO totalitarian regimes are the norm now, one can argue over degrees...and there are those special elites most to blame in each nation or what passes for a nation...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 10, 2023, 12:27:28 PM

I think the Soros paper can be summarized. NATO should be the world's policeman, using western tech and eastern manpower to reduce western body bags. NATO should be used against what he calls "closed" societies as they are a "threat."

Soros says closed societies have dogmas. IMO globalism is a dogma he wants to force on every country using NATO.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 10, 2023, 02:18:58 PM
All have dogma!!!  All are totalitarian to one degree or another!!!

It's Western globalist socialists, Russian Imperialists, Chinese Communists, Death Cult Theocrats, sundry wanna-be's along with their disparate lackies, stooges, criminals and useful idiots against we the oppressed sane people living under despotic occupation...

They ALL need to be brought down!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 14, 2023, 09:39:29 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry)

Found nothing...

Matter of when not if people start firing back...

Oh well, BFD...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 10:57:59 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-warship-fires-warning-shots-cargo-vessel-seeking-ukraine-port-entry)

Found nothing...

Matter of when not if people start firing back...

Oh well, BFD...

WOW. Factual reporting. Finally.
Quote
Nothing illicit was found aboard the Vasily Bykov and it was allowed to continue on its way, but likely other ships will take note, given the 'live fire' incident and rising dangers.

I thought the previous grain deal included allowing inspections. Factual reporting on the details is lacking. Who, what, where, when is so old school. Now it is mostly narrative.

If boarding and inspection is the worst outcome maybe insurance rates will not skyrocket. These are civilian ships  who don't want trouble.

Then again I remember reading of the WWI "Q ships." German subs used to surface, fire a warning shot, allow crew to get into life boats, then the cargo ship was sunk. Then hidden large guns were put on deck. No more Mr. Nice Guy.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 11:44:15 AM

I had this on. Patrick Lancaster is with  DPR drone specialist. This is a recon drone. Nothing exciting. DPR drone vs Kiev drone. Some long range Kiev drone passed overhead. They hide from it out of fear of artillery as armed drones are rare in this location. There is "supression" on both sides. I think that means EW stuff. The DPR drone is almost brought to ground by the Kiev EW. They have some EW anti drone gun but do not get a good chance to use it. Not worth watching for the most part.

At 27 min he interviews the drone guy. He is 25, joined at 16. From Shakhtarsk, Donetsk. He joined in response to the invasion from the Kiev troops. He lied to his parents and told them he was just guarding HQ. He later got wounded and he had to tell them he was involved in the fighting. He said that early on volunteers came from elsewhere and Russia to help. He said he did not see Russian army until the SMO in 2022.I found that part interesting.

Some idiots say that a country cannot attack itself. Sherman invaded Georgia in the US civil war. I think Grant attacked Richmond? Lee was in Gettysburg PA. When I watched lots of telegram videos civilians described how Mariupol was invaded by troops from the Kiev side who hated them and did nasty things to them. Those troops fought the Russians.

I do not have polls from Donetsk at my finger tips. Contrary to what people hear, the people did not want to be separate from Ukraine back then. They wanted some autonomy and things as they had been before the 2014 coup. The post coup govt in Kiev was hand picked, on audio, by the US govt's Vicky Nuland.  They did not like that.







https://youtu.be/2bVedU0sNo8?t=1618
 
 With Russian DPR Special Forces Recon & Electronic Warfare Team On Ukraine Frontline Mission
Patrick Lancaster
561K subscribers
200,532 views  May 31, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Ukraine #Russia
Quote
In this Special report I embed with the Russian DPR OBTF "Cascade" Special Forces Drone Recon & Electronic Warfare Team on a Mission to the Russia - Ukraine War Frontline. We traveled deep into the most dangerous part on the frontline territory near Velyka Novosilka very close to Ukrainian positions. As soon as we arrived at the point where they were to start their mission and Ukrainian drone flew over head and appeared to be targeting us. We ran and hid from the drone until it lost track of us and then we documented the OBTF "Cascade" team completing their mission
The OBTF "Cascade" includes parts of the forces and means of the law enforcement agencies of the DPR. The key element of the OBTF "Cascade" is the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the DPR. The head of the OBTF "Cascade" is the DPR Minister of Internal Affairs, Colonel-General A. A. Dikiy. It should be mentioned that the DPR government is actively merging with the Russian Government so things change fast
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 15, 2023, 12:56:29 PM

Finally. Factual reporting. Black Sea.
So, RU has a navy capable of boarding cargo ships. Ukr does not. It only has naval drones capable of blowing holes in them. Shore launched torpedoes? So far, I had only heard of a post grain deal radio transmission telling a ship that all ships heading to Ukraine would be considered possibly carrying weapons to  Ukraine. That was the most hostile act I know of so far, until now. Then Kiev said they would sink any ships to/from RU ports or something like that. We shall see.

https://southfront.org/russian-marines-showed-footage-of-recent-inspection-of-sukra-okan-cargo-ship/
Russian Marines Showed Footage Of Recent Inspection Of Sukra Okan Cargo Ship

The Russian military shared footage of the inspection by the patrol ship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet Vasily Bykov on the Sukra Okan cargo ship. The incident took place on August 13, when the patrol ship fired warning shots at the cargo ship en route under the flag of Palau to the Ukrainian port of Izmail. LINK

The footage shows Russian Ka-29 helicopter flying over the Sukra Okan cargo ship which did not fulfill the requirements for stopping. A group of Russian servicemen landed on the ship, checking documentation and conducting inspection activities in the ship’s premises to check for the presence of prohibited cargo. The inspection was carried out in accordance with the requirements of international laws.

After the completion of the operation, the ship continued its journey to the port of Izmail.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 15, 2023, 01:41:03 PM
More footage of above
https://t.me/intelslava/50579
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 17, 2023, 08:59:42 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-destroys-grain-silos-along-danube-us-pushes-alternative-ukraine-shipping-routes (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-destroys-grain-silos-along-danube-us-pushes-alternative-ukraine-shipping-routes)

Grain silo - "Don't drone me, bro!"

 ::)

This is funny AF too...

NATO CoS - Ukraine is going to have to live with being smaller...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-suggests-first-time-ukraine-could-cede-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-suggests-first-time-ukraine-could-cede-territory)

Then, he has to walk that back...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-official-retracts-russian-land-grab-suggestion-means-broker-peace-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-official-retracts-russian-land-grab-suggestion-means-broker-peace-ukraine)

LOL!

Why lose some when the option of losing all is still possible?

 ::hysterical::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 21, 2023, 11:10:05 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warmongering-neocons-spend-2-million-ads-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warmongering-neocons-spend-2-million-ads-ukraine-war)

Defending Democracy Kleptocracy Together

 ::hysterical::

Talk about a panic button!  This is akin to announcing another bogus scamdemic lockdown...

NOBODY with a brain is buying this BS anymore...only the brain-dead demoscat dreck and the conspirators GAFF about protecting the totalitarian drift!

They are panicking...time to hit them HARDER!!!

As for the Euro theater...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarusian-forces-conduct-landing-assault-drills-near-polish-border (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/belarusian-forces-conduct-landing-assault-drills-near-polish-border)

...Belarus cannot break wind without Czar Vlad's approval...

...if they and the Rus move, they'll move in unison...

Meanwhile Ukrainian's continue to expend equipment and personnel at horrific rates for little gains in territory...I think to date they've liberated/captured 2 little towns...

Having more success with drones and submersibles...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2023, 03:46:54 PM

It seems the US TNT used  in artillery shells comes from Poland and a part of Ukraine now part of Russia. We don't make TNT in the US???  Just brilliant.

https://youtu.be/ECl3vPRMdAU?t=1268 (https://youtu.be/ECl3vPRMdAU?t=1268)
 F16 world tour. Ukraine casualty averse. Welt, 3MIL mobilization. US needs TNT. CNN, BRICS fail. U/1
Alex Christoforou

https://www.rt.com/news/581547-pentagon-struggles-ammunition-ukraine-materials/ (https://www.rt.com/news/581547-pentagon-struggles-ammunition-ukraine-materials/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 21, 2023, 04:08:12 PM
Anybody can make it...it is a chemical process...tolouene nitric acid, citric acid, oleum, sodium sulfate...or sodium bicarbonate then fuming nitric acid and sulfuric acid...

Most shells etc use amatol (TNT & ammonium nitrate) in legacy items and replaced by Comp-B [RDX/Cyclonite, TNT dash of wax] & , Torpex [RDX, TNT & powdered aluminum] & Tritonol [TNT & powdered aluminum]...

And that is being replaced with something called IMX-101 and it is a more complicated chemical combination than I will attempt to describe...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2023, 04:24:04 PM
Then why buy it from Poland and Ukraine???
Also, tucker interviews Serbian president. Just a trailer.
That should be interesting.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693274436215152986
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 21, 2023, 04:25:47 PM
Then why buy it from Poland and Ukraine???
Also, tucker interviews Serbian president. Just a trailer.
That should be interesting.
https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693274436215152986

Probably more kickbacks...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 21, 2023, 04:51:56 PM


I took an anthropology course in college, mostly college. We mostly read case studies/field studies where some guy/gal tried to be unobtrusive, observe, and write stuff down. Maybe it went woke now. It never left me. I watched a lot of telegram video clips early in this war. Also video clips from non govt sources.

I saw some factory making mine safety equipment maybe in Donbass. They still have factories! They still have mines! The women were in the basement shelter as the place was being shelled or rocket attacked. They broke out singing Katushka. Wow, they seem to have a common culture! Someone started singing some Soviet era song but they broke out laughing half way through because they forgot the lame words.

Eli from Russia shows various towns in Russia. She mentions what factories are there.

Reminds me of this song. Used in the movie Reds (1981). Starman at ACOC found it for me. Lame words.  BTW the movie does not glorify communism, although it seems like that at the beginning.
https://youtu.be/j6ytajj6Zow
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 22, 2023, 08:48:51 AM
"Most American know nothing about Ukraine," Macgregor continued, adding that "if they knew anything about the history of Eastern Europe, they would all say 'get out!'... because the wars and the blood and the hatred that's been fought over for centuries is something we can't sort out."

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-brink-catastrophic-war-could-easily-destroy-us-col-douglas-macgregor-tells-tucker (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/us-brink-catastrophic-war-could-easily-destroy-us-col-douglas-macgregor-tells-tucker)

Most honest thing he has said yet...the rest is the usual obvious and unimportant.

If he was fully honest he would also acknowledge the role Russia has played in making this hatred and conflict inevitable...as well as acknowledge Russians must know no matter how this ends they also cannot  ever hope to sort out either...without resorting to the sins of the past that helped fertilize much of the hatred.

I'll not hold my breath waiting for McGregor or Russians to admit it though...

We now, regrettably...return to the regular programming...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 22, 2023, 09:42:59 AM
^^^
This has links to the Tucker Macgregor interview.

My random thoughts below.

I wonder if NATO can fight well. I have no expertise on this. I think that Israel has to have a good military. If they fail to they will be in trouble in a hurry. The US is protected by two oceans. We can be fat, dumb, and happy and not suffer at home from military invasions. Have we let things slide? I heard that EU let things slide a great deal.

I always admired Israeli weapons development. Now it seems Russia is doing a good job. Iran might be doing OK considering their limitations.

I would guess that USAF and naval AF is vastly superior to the Russian AF. What if Russia knows that and does not oblige to engage in fighters vs fighters?  How would US planes fair over protected airspace?

It seems the F-35 is a great plane. Does it have an Achilles heel? I heard it can be located using radars but not targeted using radars?

Tucker interview below.

Tucker recently interviewed Col. Macgregor for 50 minutes. I'll bet this is the first time many Americans heard this.
People have copied this video outside twitter. This is a very good video IMO.
In short, the Americans have been lied to about the war.
The US main tank uses a turbine, can run for only 8 hours on a tank of fuel, some parts reach 1000 deg F, tanks can be tracked from space using this high temp. They cannot hide.
US army is like the French before the Franco Prussian war. They thought they were great but they were not.

US debt is $240K per worker.
' Asylum seekers' get $2,200 per month????? More than US average social security and much more than fire victims in Hawaii got.
 Donors control US govt.
60K Ukr children went missing.
He estimated 400K Ukr dead. Maybe 40K RU dead(?) I did not write this down so maybe faulty.

Big business wants to own Ukr farm land after the war.

Niger is not our concern. No, Wagner and China are not to blame, at least not now.


https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1693761723230990509
or
https://youtu.be/iMUAaWK79Vc
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/iMUAaWK79Vc[/lowkeysays]
 Tucker Carlson Talks To Colonel Douglas Macgregor About The Ukraine War
TheDC Shorts
536K subscribers
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Tucker Carlson spoke with Colonel Douglas Macgregor about the Ukraine war
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2023, 08:08:22 AM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/)

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2023, 03:05:17 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/)

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...
I heard that the cluster munitions (shells?)  have a mix of anti personal and anti vehicle.? The anti personnel have tiny parachutes and explode at a height above ground maybe with flechettes. Not sure of the anti vehicle. They only used the cluster munitions because they ran out of the preferred high explosive stuff.

The wood would stop the flechettes not any HE stuff. They continue to use cluster stuff against the civilian areas of Donetsk. The US does not seem to tell them use to attack Russian military instead.

IMO the US micromanaged the Ukr counter offensive and is now blaming them for the lack of progress.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2023, 04:28:50 PM
https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/ (https://www.bitchute.com/video/nPh02HucLxc3/)

Things are missing here...

A legitimate ass-kicker would love to face a static defense...either this is bait to lure forces in to be hit by the mobile units nearby or with drones and such...or the Uke's are so weak they've made static defenses effective for one of the few times in history...

Also, a large shell direct hit that crap will not stop...

More importantly if the OpFor has drones with IR capability...those so-called hidden spots light up like a Christmas tree...

So, not sure how much of this vid is propaganda vs real...
I heard that the cluster munitions (shells?)  have a mix of anti personal and anti vehicle.? The anti personnel have tiny parachutes and explode at a height above ground maybe with flechettes. Not sure of the anti vehicle. They only used the cluster munitions because they ran out of the preferred high explosive stuff.

The wood would stop the flechettes not any HE stuff. They continue to use cluster stuff against the civilian areas of Donetsk. The US does not seem to tell them use to attack Russian military instead.

IMO the US micromanaged the Ukr counter offensive and is now blaming them for the lack of progress.

I heard the opposite...they are not using what we gave them they we use them and are just doing their own thing...plus fighting too wide a front at once instead of concentrating on weak areas and whenever they do concentrate they stupidly attack areas too well defended...

There are only a zillion drone and spy plane flights conducted close enough to the area plus sat overflights...they must disregard advice and just tool around like bandits...

Anyway, all must not being going according to Putin's expectations...he jettisoned General Armageddon (Surovikan) and turned their air forces to some dude named Afzalov...and blaming him for advane knowledge of Prigozhin's rebellion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-fires-general-who-ran-ukraine-war-wake-wagner-mutiny-events (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-fires-general-who-ran-ukraine-war-wake-wagner-mutiny-events)

...which may point towards the plane Prigozhin was on was eliminated on Putin's orders...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2023, 07:52:35 PM

I heard the same as you but only recently. Before that I heard state dept leaks were calling this counter offensive "Vicky's offensive" as state dept was micromanaging it. I believe that the initial thrust using armor through mine fields with no air support was the plan. It's almost like the state dept should not plan wars.

I don't pretend to understand any of this Kremlin stuff. The Wagner guy was surrounded and the road to Moscow blocked by Chechens.  I heard that the Russian helicopter was not supposed to be launched and some hot head in Wagner shot it down. A screw up.

Oh well.

The fact that Kiev is getting ANY bad press does not look well for them. Some say it sounds like the end of Vietnam. "Gee, we gave them all that equipment and training and they still lost. Not OUR fault. we did what we could."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 23, 2023, 07:59:26 PM

I never liked the Hunt for Red October because I could not buy that a whole bunch of Soviet officers would commit treason. There WAS some basis for the plot. Some Soviet warship had a crew that thought they were being mistreated by the captain. So a small group locked him and others below decks in a room and took over the ship. They took it to maybe Leningrad, thinking that if only the top brass knew how bad they were being treated they would remedy the situation.

The leader was executed and the others involved put in prison.

Wasn't there some old saying "If only Stalin knew .... " (about Soviet mistreatment)?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 25, 2023, 10:31:17 AM


I do not read French. It seems to say Crimea is 67% Russian, 15% Ukr, 10% Tartar. They discuss how to ethnically cleanse Crimea. They provide the sources on the screen.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/3868
??On the French TV channel LCI they discuss the practical steps of the supposed future ethnic cleansing of Crimea.

??Follow:
t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 28, 2023, 10:07:15 AM
The sh!tshow that keeps on sh!tting...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 28, 2023, 01:42:36 PM

The above French TV numbers do not match the 2013 USAID poll. Maybe the only choices were Russian and Ukrainian. The 15% Ukr  was the same in both cases.  Plus I am told that Kiev took the autonomous options off the table in 1996, leaving either being part of Ukraine as an oblast or part  of Russia. An independent Crimea would need the protection of Russia. Crimeans would have to jump to one side or the other.

I imagine the Kiev ideology would not welcome non Ukrainian Tartars.

Quote
Ex US Marine ex pat lives in Thailand. Brian Berletic at The New Atlas. He found a 2013 USAID paper on Crimea and discusses it. He discusses the poll. https://youtu.be/PGoNNbnQmjg?t=1143

What do you consider yourself? 40% Russian, 24% Crimean, 15% Crimean Tartar, 15% Ukrainian
If Crimea could join only one what should it join? 53% Russian customs union, 17% EU.
How would you evaluate your attitude to the following entities? (warm?) 68% RU, 14% EU, 13% Turkey, 10% Pol, 6% US.
In your opinion, what should the status of Crimea be?
Autonomy in Ukraine (as today) 53%
Crimea should be separated and given to Russia 23%
 Crimean Tatar autonomy within Ukraine 12%
Common oblast of Ukraine 2%
https://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/pnaec705.pdf
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 29, 2023, 08:06:43 AM
For true accuracy though one must acknowledge and quantify the filter for who control the information in the region...

Just like the low-info dreck here...they got it there...it's everywhere...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 29, 2023, 08:41:24 AM
For true accuracy though one must acknowledge and quantify the filter for who control the information in the region...

Just like the low-info dreck here...they got it there...it's everywhere...

Crimea was officially titled as the autonomous republic of Crimea or some such. Kiev officially revoked the autonomy in 1996 but Crimea still regarded themselves as autonomous. I can see where most people would want to preserve their autonomy if that was the status quo.

You should always consider who did the poll. If this poll was done by Russia that would effect how I viewed it, although I would question why only 25% wanted to join Russia if the poll was biased in some way.

In law, an "admission against interest" gives added weight. If USAID wanted to bias the poll I don't think they would come up with these results.

Kiev made it clear that autonomy was going to end and the people of Crimea reacted. Americans are so ignorant they believe that Crimea is mostly filled with Ukrainians.  If Crimea had not received Russian protection, they would be in the same situation as Odessa. Russian would be banned in schools, business, and govt. Russian books would be seized. Later, priests would be arrested, churches seized, and turned over to a 2018 govt created sect. They made the move that was right for them.

Some reporter from NBC went to Crimea and asked a few questions of people on the street on camera. He asked some woman if she considered herself Ukrainian or Russian. She laughed at him and said "Russian of course."  That was enough for Kiev to put him on their kill list. They want to keep Americans ignorant.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 29, 2023, 05:18:23 PM
IMO the US and Kiev have been staying awake at night trying to figure out how to drag NATO into the war. If the US would blow up the NS pipelines would they launch an attack from Estonia without their permission? From the sea?  Is Estonia stupid enough to knowingly get involved?

BTW Some Taiwan billionaire is running for president. His Platform? "We will not become the next Ukraine."

20(?)  UAVs reportedly hit the airport at PSKOV. I don't normally post on such stuff but look at the location. Hard to hit from Ukraine. Right next to Estonia. I would not count on early information being correct.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pskov,+Pskov+Oblast,+Russia/@57.8005908,28.2659341,12z/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Pskov,+Pskov+Oblast,+Russia/@57.8005908,28.2659341,12z/data=)!3m1!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x46c0193affb48223:0xea1f6715fb9517f!8m2!3d57.8166994!4d28.3344735!16zL20vMDFzMjIw?entry=ttu

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/24738 (https://t.me/ZradaXXII/24738)


https://t.me/ZradaXXII/24739 (https://t.me/ZradaXXII/24739)
Turkish publics report that kamikaze UAVs were massively launched from the territory of Estonia.

https://t.me/RWApodcast/529 (https://t.me/RWApodcast/529)
Pskov International Airport has been attacked by a swarm of ~20 UAVs. There is a large fire that looks like a hit on a fuel depot or something similar. Pskov is located about 700km from the Ukrainian border, about 200km from the Belorussian border, about 60km from the Latvian border and about 30km from the Estonian border. Some sources are alleging that the drone swarm came from the west, meaning they were launched from Latvia or Estonia... But there is no official information yet, neither as to what exactly happened, nor what the damage is.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 30, 2023, 07:48:35 AM
https://twitter.com/i/status/1696635489346883780 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1696635489346883780)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1696780202700103750 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1696780202700103750)

Hard to GAF...

Russia ignored us for 4 years and got just as stuck as we did with the corrupt pedo puppet FJB...

And not like anybody dragging this nation kicking and screaming into Hell GAF about us either...

This is Russia's problem...

Besides, Uke's are doing the same thing all collapsing armies do...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ft-discovers-71-year-old-ukrainian-nato-training-program (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ft-discovers-71-year-old-ukrainian-nato-training-program)

...so be patient...

And, it is also largely a Euro problem...some know this, others do not...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/very-dangerous-moment-hungarys-orban-warns-tucker-3rd-world-war-knocking-door (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/very-dangerous-moment-hungarys-orban-warns-tucker-3rd-world-war-knocking-door)

...and Orban is correct...we the oppressed people of America need Trump back, liberty and America can survive any more degeneration into totalitarianism...certainly the intelligent people in Europe see it too, the current batch of globalists will destroy them too, and if America wasn't occupied by despotism it would be harder for the Euro globalists to go it alone...if Russia had embraced free America and cut any kind of deal they would not be in this mess either...

Corruption, stolen elections, globalists and war profiteers and mistakes got us all here...

All we can do is wait to see if America can throw of the chains being thrown around them...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 30, 2023, 12:53:21 PM
This, however...I do GAF about...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war)

...they can KMY/KOA!  Binds nothing.  Their MOU can rot...any funding Quislings authorize do not have to be spent, just like anything allocated for a border wall can be ignored and the wall dismantled!

And given this...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new)

...the deadwood will self remove soon enough.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 30, 2023, 01:50:58 PM
This, however...I do GAF about...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-looks-prevent-future-president-ending-ukraine-war)

...they can KMY/KOA!  Binds nothing.  Their MOU can rot...any funding Quislings authorize do not have to be spent, just like anything allocated for a border wall can be ignored and the wall dismantled!

And given this...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,18045.new.html#new)

...the deadwood will self remove soon enough.

From the link.  FEMA is worried about running out of money and requested  $12B, provided $24B is given to Ukraine.

EU may sanction Poland for refusing Ukraine grain into the country.
Poland has elections coming up. Olaf Scholz recently said that there will no more money to help consumers deal with higher nat gas prices. This winter may be brutal. German mfg is dropping.

https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1696645304764772608 (https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1696645304764772608)
🅰pocalypsis 🅰pocalypseos 🇷🇺 🇨🇳 🅉
@apocalypseos
·
20h
The Pope was added to the Banderite hitlist “Myrotvorets” for calling on Russian youth not to abandon the legacy of great Russia but it was quickly deleted according to numerous Telegram channels.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4ux0NfaoAEnurz?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 30, 2023, 02:29:01 PM
For 9 years now. Nothing new except that newer US weapons are being used.


https://youtu.be/2Z5JUaXbCzo
 American Air To Surface Rockets Hit Center Donetsk Russia Ukraine War (Special Operation)
Patrick Lancaster
564K subscribers
4,924 views  Aug 30, 2023  #RussiaUkrainewar #Russia #Ukraine
Ukraine is continuing to fire USA supplied weapons on civilian areas in Donetsk. Today Ukraine fire many  AGM-88 HARM air to surface missiles into civilian areas of Donetsk. In this report I go to the location were a AGM-88 HARM  hit the 18th floor of an apartment building under construction "Bulvar City" Voroshilovsky District, CENTER Donetsk. There was many attacks by Ukrainian forces on civilian areas of Donetsk today including a hardware store being hit and 6 civilians injured. I addition to going to the location where the Harm hit I also went to the main trauma hospital and spoke to Doctors and injured children about the civilian casualties of the daily shelling.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2023, 08:17:12 AM
FJB and the scum-sucking DemoNazis holding disaster relief for Maui & Florida hostage to more billions pissed away in Ukraine can GFT!   ::doublebird::

Why anybody would want an apostate pope on their side must not be able to reach Satan directly...  ::)

Civilians suffer in war?  Not a newsflash...

In fact if you want to know the greatest destroyer of human life on the planet - it has always been and will continue to be TYRANNY!  It has dwarfed anything wars have done by far...look it up!  Armenian genocide, purges, cultural revolutions, killing fields...

War can impact civilians but nothing wipes them out like tyranny from their overlords.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 31, 2023, 11:22:47 AM
I have no dog in this religious fight. The sect taking over the orthodox churches in Ukraine was created in 2018 by the govt as I recall. I read that people were required to denounce Russia before they were allowed to enter the churches. I have no idea how the priests were trained or ordained before or now. Are the new priests graduates of some seminary?  Are they Christian? This must be upsetting to older religious people.

The US made a lot of bone head moves in the middle east but nothing like Kiev is doing by messing with religion.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/7912
Ukranian authorities force church to change dates of church holidays from tomorrow

They coincide with Catholic feasts.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2023, 11:56:32 AM
it's not like the Russian Orthodox Church is a paragon of virtue and independence!

Under Imperial rule they went along with the government...under Communism they went along with the government...the only difference being the Imperialists did not oppress, imprison, rob or shoot the clergy...

https://www.rbth.com/history/329361-russian-orthodox-church-ussr-communism (https://www.rbth.com/history/329361-russian-orthodox-church-ussr-communism)

So, one bitch of the government pointing at another and screaming "bitch of the government" leaves me not GAF at all...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 31, 2023, 01:11:17 PM


I don't GAF about Islam either.
Imagine Russia creating a new govt backed Islam sect, arresting Imams, seizing mosques and giving them to the new sect, and seizing holy relics and shipping them out of the country?
Geez! I cannot imagine doing that. What is the up side?

There is an upside to trying to get along with other people.
Putin recently visited Dagestan, mostly Islamic. He was very warmly welcomed and was given a special edition of the Koran.
Putin ended the second Chechen war by bombing them, with money. Grozny had been flattened and was rebuilt. They have a lot of autonomy. Eli from Russia visited and reported on the place, including a wedding. Now there are tens of thousands of Chechen warriors fighting alongside Russia. THAT is the upside.

Kiev drank some nasty pagan Norse ethnic superiority Kool Aid that will destroy them.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 31, 2023, 01:15:44 PM
This is one way to avoid paying any more for the war.  ::laughonfloor::

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/7119
🇭🇺?🇺🇦 Hungary will refuse to finance the Kiev regime until Ukraine reports on the spent 50-70 billion euros

Hungarian media quoted Foreign Minister Peter Szijjártó as saying that Kiev would have to provide a detailed report.

“Of course I won’t give in to pressure. Until we get a detailed, clear account of what the approximately €50-70 billion spent on Ukraine was spent on, and until the OTP bank is removed from the list of so-called international sponsors of the war, there can be no question of making a decision. about additional funds to finance armaments or anything related to Ukraine,” Szijjártó said.

Among other things, Hungary expects the Kiev regime to exclude the OPT bank from the list of 'war sponsors'.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on August 31, 2023, 01:31:04 PM


Alastair Crooke is pretty good. He has been around the block a few times.
He has done negotiations.
He was asked if he could open up a channel more than once. He said that part was easy, but always asked what do you want me to say, to offer?
THAT is the hard part.
About a cease fire?
So you want to have a cease fire so you can re-arm Kiev, rebuild the army, then attack again in a few years???

He said Ukr was like Hotel California. You can check out but you can never leave.

https://youtu.be/33A0GIrLT1Q
 U.S. Seeking Perpetual War in Ukraine? w/ Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador
Judge Napolitano -
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 05, 2023, 12:54:48 PM


https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8177
🇺🇦🇪🇺Ukrainians are starting to receive notices that they will be deported back to Ukraine if they do not leave the EU on their own within two weeks.

A Ukrainian 'refugee' has received a letter from the authorities demanding that he return to Ukraine within 2 weeks, even though, as he explains, he has not left the country illegally and has not bought any certificates. He is asking users for advice on how to ensure that he does not return to the country.

Run, Forrest!...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 06, 2023, 12:58:08 PM
I will only point out those EuroFascists don't do that for darker-skinned peoples...

In other vastly more critical news...that has my blood boiling...'

Most Americans have absolutely no idea how close we are to nuclear war.  Our politicians confidently assure us that the war in Ukraine will never spark a nuclear conflict, and the mainstream media in the western world rarely talks about such a scenario.  But over in Russia, things are completely different.  They regard the war in Ukraine as an existential conflict between Russia and NATO, and there is constant talk on Russian television about the possibility of nuclear war.  Here is the latest example that I have come across…

A Kremlin propagandist has issued the latest nuclear threat against the West regarding the war in Ukraine, warning that the U.S. could be in danger of a Russian missile attack.

Igor Korotchenko, editor of the newspaper National Defense and a regular guest on the Russia 1 channel where guests have repeatedly called for strikes against Ukraine’s allies, took exception to criticism of Russian conduct in the war.

During his recent appearance on the Russia 1 channel, Korotchenko openly talked about a “first strike” which would involve hitting “targets on the territory of the United States of America”…

“The most important message we should send to the Americans is that we will not wage war with you in Europe,” he said in a clip subsequently posted on X (formerly Twitter) by Ukrainian internal affairs adviser Anton Gerashchenko.

“In response to your attacks on Russian military or civilian facilities, the first strike will be a preventative limited strike against targets on the territory of the United States of America,” he told the anchor of 60 Minutes, Yevgeny Popov. Last week, Russia announced that its Sarmat strategic missile system, which can reach the U.S., had been put on combat duty.

This is just more confirmation of my belief that these Russian c*******ers desire this just as much as the motherf**king puppetmasters and puppets running amok here!  If these Russian c*******ers are as brilliant as all Russians and Russophiles tell us fracking constantly they are, that Czar Vlad is playing 4D chess against a bunch of depraved woke Western fools...then they knew what was going to be triggered when they rolled into Ukraine and started annexing territory, any other explanation is bullsh*t because it would completely obliterate their intelligent superiority!

Just like they knew what would happen if they failed to negotiate any kind of agreement with Trump when they had the chance and chose not to.  They want this nuclear exchange as bad as our lunatics running things!

That is pretty stunning.

But Korotchenko’s remarks are tame compared to what retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov is saying.

Vladimirov is the author of Russia’s “war bible”, and he is entirely convinced that a nuclear war involving the United States and Russia has become “inevitable”…

Nuclear war is the ‘inevitable’ conclusion of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, a Russian general who wrote the nation’s ‘war bible’ has warned.

The chilling forecast came from retired Major General Alexander Vladimirov, who penned Russia’s three volume book called the ‘General Theory of War’.

Why didn’t this make headline news all over the United States?

According to Vladimirov, “nuclear weapons will be used in this war”, and he wants his country to actively prepare for such an outcome so that they will have the best chance to survive…

He warned: ‘I am sure that nuclear weapons will be used in this war – inevitably, and from this neither we nor the enemy have anywhere to go.

‘The sooner our politicians and leadership realise this, the sooner we start to train troops and the population for this – the more chances we will have for survival, which means victory.’

Looks like to me Satan has all the shot-callers East and West by the shorthairs...they are ALL lunatics!

And this bullsh*t...

Sadly, Vladimirov is seeing things quite clearly.

If we stay on the path that we are on, it will result in the unthinkable.

That is why so many of us have been advocating for a peaceful solution in Ukraine.

Snyder has so much Putin gravy on his face he cannot see straight!

We...   ::outrage::  Yes, it's just the lunatics running the US to blame, the lunatics on the East are accountability free!  What an asshole!

Unfortunately, Joe Biden and his minions just keep escalating matters.  They are deeply frustrated with how poorly Ukraine’s counteroffensive has fared, and they are pushing the Ukrainians to make more of an effort to achieve a breakthrough in the south…

Michael you ignorant slut!  WTF do you expect the puppet or puppetmasters to do? Hot-tub time machine it back several decades and rediscover their anti-war selves?  Realize what they are doing is bad?  Walk away from all their investments in bioweapon labs and human trafficking?  Son fo a ...

The Russian defenses are extremely well prepared, and tens of thousands of Ukrainian men have already been slaughtered during fruitless attempts to break through Russian lines. Meanwhile, the Russians have been making significant gains on the eastern front…

Yet, nuclear war according to the Russians is inevitable.  We're winning, but we still want to nuke some asses!  Totally sane...

/

And screw this dumbsh*t and his ad hom toss in about Taiuwan...GFY you dreck-filled imbecile!

FJB sent the idiot Blinken and miss it to Ukraine promising another $1B...sounds like peace is right around the corner MFer!

/

How about throwing in North Korea!  You you did...naturally.

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2023/09/there-is-talk-in-russia-about-hitting-targets-in-the-u-s-because-nuclear-war-has-become-inevitable

What an ass!  Russians own half of this mess, get that through your damned head!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 06, 2023, 02:36:28 PM
^^^ I pay more attention to what Putin says than the people you cited who are indeed scary.

The pope blamed US for "barking at Russia's door." I agree and always thought that NATO moving east was aggressive behavior and uncalled for.

I think what the US would do if Russia had trained Mexico to Russian standards, armed them to the teeth,  and remained silent about whether MX would get nukes or Russian missiles. All those have been true about Ukraine.

NATO needs to be in Ukraine about as much as Russia needs to be in Mexico. It would make no difference if Russian propaganda claimed to be in MX to defend Latin America or  to promote 'Democracy.'

One thing that shocks me is how honest US politicians and military are. US is doing this to harm Russia. Almost no mention of Ukrainian people.

Michael Hudson mentioned the oracle of Delphi being asked about Greece invading Persia. She said if Greece invaded Persia this would destroy a great empire. It did. The Greek empire. This will destroy the US empire, especially the financial empire.  It will destroy Germany and the EU.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 07, 2023, 09:12:40 AM
So you agree it is justified for Russians to launch nukes on the US, good to know...

And agree that Putin isn't as smart as he thinks he is since he ignored Trump and didn't see puppet FJB coming...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 07, 2023, 10:22:56 AM
So you agree it is justified for Russians to launch nukes on the US, good to know...

And agree that Putin isn't as smart as he thinks he is since he ignored Trump and didn't see puppet FJB coming...

I never said that or thought that. Geez.

I think the US should have gone to war in MX if Russia did what US did in Ukraine.
I would prefer dirty tricks, bribes, regime change in MX before resorting to war.

Also see below. Note this was not limited to inside Ukr.
As part of the SBU, in 2015, a unit was created that deals with murders - the former head of the special services, Valentin Nalyvaichenko.

At that time, the authorities in Ukraine decided that simply "imprisoning collaborators" was not enough.

“We reluctantly came to the conclusion that we need to eliminate people,” he admitted.

They "really didn't want to", but "had to"...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 07, 2023, 12:31:13 PM
I've given up on this arena...

People want to see one side or the other as innocent...or marginally less scummy than the other...

IMO all are responsible for what follows, no if's and's or but's...

I think I've lost all interest in this...nothing is going to change the status quo...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 11, 2023, 07:15:02 PM

Interesting. Macgregor talks about an upcoming NATO Black sea exercise.
He says that he heard that perhaps NATO was going to use the exercise to ship arms into Odessa. Each country gets to decide what they will do.

Some US and UK people want to drag NATO into the war directly. Maybe this is the way.

https://youtu.be/xjkwGDtiVU8
 War Games in the Black Sea - Now What? w/ Col Doug Macgregor
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 12, 2023, 09:29:12 AM
Awesome
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 12, 2023, 11:12:26 PM
I realize that I have two strong biases.
Status quo and prevention of mass slaughter.
My YT feed informed me that Georgia has 3 autonomous regions. I only knew of 2. These were "autonomous regions" under USSR whatever that means.
I hope that the status quo is maintained and there is no mass slaughter. I don't put white and black hats on anyone there.

Bald and Bankrupt visited an enclave Sokh. What a hot mess. I wish them the status quo and peace.

There were Russians in the Russian empire in the Donbass region east of the Dnieper river. Then there were Russians in the USSR. Lenin drew lines to create "Ukraine"  including the Donbass.  USSR fell. Then US coup put NAZI like factions in Ukr in power. They decided to remove Russian language, education, books and autonomy and later religion from Donbass.  Donbass with Russian help rebelled, in part because of US  installed govt at the time.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 13, 2023, 10:04:32 AM
IMO foreign enclaves anywhere are festering camps of non-assimilating invaders looking to overthrow local governments and cultures rather than go back to their native homelands from whence they originated...here/there...no difference...

Back to the war...

Possibly a sub and a landing ship may be destroyed/disabled...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-navy-port-sevastopol-fire-after-massive-ukraine-missile-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russias-navy-port-sevastopol-fire-after-massive-ukraine-missile-attack)

And the Czar keeps reaching out to upstanding world leaders...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kim-jong-un-toasts-putin-wishing-great-victory-over-enemies (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kim-jong-un-toasts-putin-wishing-great-victory-over-enemies)

SSDD
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2023, 08:12:47 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/weaponized-govt-agencies-dont-wish-good-things-me-musk-blames-biden-admin-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/weaponized-govt-agencies-dont-wish-good-things-me-musk-blames-biden-admin-ukraine)

Yeah, like FJB is going to make an official request to Musk to turn on Starlink over Crimea so the Russian fleet can be sunk...man, that's some A+ trolling right there...  If FJB did that Putin might blast the White House...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 14, 2023, 10:02:41 AM

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/zelensky-threatens-to-terrorize-europe.html#more (https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/09/zelensky-threatens-to-terrorize-europe.html#more)
The Economist published another interview with the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.
...

Zelenski goes on to threaten, in rather unthankful fashion, those countries which have delivered aid to Ukraine but may want to cut their losses:

Quote
    Curtailing aid to Ukraine will only prolong the war, Mr Zelensky argues. And it would create risks for the West in its own backyard. There is no way of predicting how the millions of Ukrainian refugees in European countries would react to their country being abandoned. Ukrainians have generally “behaved well” and are “very grateful” to those who sheltered them. They will not forget that generosity. But it would not be a “good story” for Europe if it were to “drive these people into a corner”.

I have seen such threats from low ranking individuals of the fascist Bandera fringe. They spoke of terrorism they would unleash in the West should it end its support for Ukraine. That the Ukrainian president now reinforces such threats shows how deeply he immersed himself in that mindset.

A previous Economist story shows that Ukraine has already set up the necessary infrastructure to wage a terrorist campaign:
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 14, 2023, 10:39:49 AM


A post from somewhere with alleged material from     Zbigniew Brzezinski. Maybe from his Great Chessboard book.


Since Russia and its SloMO quest is always under attack for being too slow, too relaxed and so on, I'll just repost what someone posted somewhere or other

Quote
    Zbigniew Brzezinski
    – We cannot let any country’s economic ability to be selfsufficient … means potential military power
    – In order to prevent any country to threaten us militarily, we have to prevent it from developing economically

    (America’s nightmare Brzezinski wrote, was …)
    -If Europa and Russia become prosperous we cannot control them any more, and there will be no reason to have NATO
    – We got to stop Russia, and the place to stop …. is to split (Europa/Russia) down the border of Ukraine
    – Let us support the crazies … as in Afghanistan

    "Brzezinski has no doubt about the Europeans. They are totally defanged, under control, unable to present any actual or potential danger for Anglo-American dominance. They will keep obeying every order against their sovereignty and basic economic interests; they will masochistically strengthen the NATO cage; and they will be progressively and irreversibly weakened to irrelevance and chaos by the well-organized migrations from the South"

So yes, the US does try and prevent anyone anywhere from developing economically, and being allies of the US is downright deadly (Europe). Furthermore, its best to split Europe and Russia down the border of Ukraine by supporting the crazies (NAZIS), and of course blowing up NordStream. So the US doesn't want to win in Ukraine, they just want ruin things for Russia in Europe, and destroy Europe as well because Europeans are stupid, and a potential threat to the US if Europe becomes to strong. Anyway, a scorched earth Europe is best just in case Russia wins, so the more migrations from Africa and MENA into Europe the better.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2023, 12:03:20 PM
I am by no means a fan of ZB, he is Kissinger without the smooth smarter-than-you charm...I seriously doubt he spoke in such terms...that reads like a Code Pink ZeroHedge Russophile bed-wetter's dream narrative to me...

America bad!  Russia savior of Earth!  Pah!  Pure dreck!

Is Europe full of stupid socialist fools?  Well, duh!  They subjugated themselves to the US ever since we saved their asses in a second straight world war...if not for us there would have been no Iron Curtain...all of Europe would be vassals of Russia...they were happy to bitch themselves out so as to not have to spend much on military and plow it all into imbecilic socialist programs without end...that they are f**ked now is not America's fault, it's their own.

I would love to collapse NATO and let those pricks be vassals of the mongrels of the Steppes, see how they like it!

But guess what?  Nothing I want nothing you want nothing anybody wants but what all the assholes running all these countries into the sh*tter want is going to happen, period. 

Everybody can kill everybody...it's really hard to care any longer and ironically may be the only way to get past all their stupidity...if there is anything left...

NMP - Not My Problem...THEIRS!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 14, 2023, 03:33:42 PM


I have read/heard too many others say similar things about Zbigniew Brzezinski. Also Wolfowitz. Also the 2019(?) RAND paper (paid for by  US govt) advocating "over extending " Russia using Ukraine.

The Duran think that many pro western leaders are looking out for their next globalist sinecure (UN, IMF, World Bank, govt funded think tank, etc.), provided they play their cards right,  rather than looking out for the interests of their citizens. Former Finnish PM just went to work at Tony Blair's consulting firm.

https://www.voltairenet.org/article30038.html (https://www.voltairenet.org/article30038.html)

Zbigniew Brzezinski: the Empire’s Adviser
The outrageous strategy to destroy Russia
...
Zbigniew Brzezinski recommends how Russia should be militarily weakened and intimidated. He is convinced that the best way to achieve it is by destabilizing its border regions, a political strategy that aroused the interest of former presidential candidate John Kerry’s team who recruited his son Mark Brzezinski as its foreign policy adviser.
...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard)
Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. In particular, he writes that no Eurasian challenger should emerge that can dominate Eurasia and thus also challenge U.S. global pre-eminence.

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-wolfowitz-doctrine-shaped-putin%E2%80%99s-outlook-206225 (https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-wolfowitz-doctrine-shaped-putin%E2%80%99s-outlook-206225)
...
The Wolfowitz Doctrine, named after then U.S. under-secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz, was leaked to The New York Times in 1992. The crux of the policy underscored American supremacy at all costs in a post-Soviet world and “stamping out rivals wherever they may emerge.”

If the Russians can read the above  they might fear NATO that close to Moscow. See also Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Syria. IMO the selling of NATO as a benevolent defensive org is for US domestic consumption.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 14, 2023, 04:03:02 PM
Meh, none of that is my problem...   ::smallestviolin::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 15, 2023, 01:01:22 PM
I am not real religious but I know that many people take religion seriously.  I have no idea as to how the Orthodox church selects or trains priests. I recall the new sect was created by the govt in 2018. I recall the US govt was involved, to destabilize the country.  I read that the new sect removed holy relics and sent them to western countries for 'safe keeping' rather than to non Russian orthodox churches in other countries.

I see lots Ukr pagan stuff, even witches. I saw a video of a rave held in a Ukr orthodox church. I recall some pagan weirdness in  churches in 1930s Germany.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8655
Kiev authorities have ordered the closure of 74 Orthodox churches in the capital

A document signed by the capital's mayor, Vitaliy Klitschko, has been published today on the website of the Kiev city council, depriving Kiev's Orthodox sanctuaries of their right to use land on the grounds that they are allegedly linked to the Moscow Patriarchate.

Some are to be declared illegally built and demolished.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 15, 2023, 01:21:48 PM
So, the international relations people said that the US should keep Russia and China apart. Instead, the anti RU sanctions and the likely anti China sanctions and possible future blockade drove them together to make each mostly sanctions proof.

There is some strange phrase like "earth island" or "center earth" that if allowed, would rule the world according to theory.

update
Quote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard
Regarding the landmass of Eurasia as the center of global power, Brzezinski sets out to formulate a Eurasian geostrategy for the United States. In particular, he writes that no Eurasian challenger should emerge that can dominate Eurasia and thus also challenge U.S. global pre-eminence.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/29741 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/29741)
https://www.rt.com/business/582907-china-russia-far-east-logistics-hub/ (https://www.rt.com/business/582907-china-russia-far-east-logistics-hub/)

 China announces massive cross-border project with Russia
A large fuel storage terminal will be built in the Far East, says Xuanyuan Group CEO 
China announces massive cross-border project with Russia
©  Sputnik/Alexandr Kryazhev

China’s Xuanyuan Group Industrial Development plans to build a massive logistics hub in the Amur Region in Russia’s Far East, as freight turnover between the two countries has more than doubled over the past year, the group’s CEO, Hailong Xue, has told RT.   

The project is one of several deals the Chinese industrial group has clinched with Russian investors on the sidelines of the Eastern Economic Forum in Vladivostok, and will offer equal opportunities for Russian and Chinese companies to participate in it.   

The hub will be located between the city of Tongjiang in China’s Heilongjiang province and the town of Nizhneleninskoye and is designed to facilitate Russia-China cargo transfers.   

“The location of this hub is very important as it will be right between our borders. There is a narrow stretch between our frontiers which makes cargo transfer rather problematic. But, with our project, we estimate that freight transportation will reach 10 million tons annually,” Hailong said. He expects cargo traffic between Russia and China to increase fourfold in the next few years.   


Nizhneleninskoye
Nizhneleninskoye is a rural locality in Leninsky District of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast. Located on the Amur River, Nizhneleninskoye is the location for the Tongjiang-Nizhneleninskoye railway bridge which crosses over the river to China, joining it by a railway bridge to Tongjiang in Heilongjiang Province.Wikipedia

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nizhneleninskoye&t=newext&atb=v305-1&ia=web&iaxm=about (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Nizhneleninskoye&t=newext&atb=v305-1&ia=web&iaxm=about)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2023, 08:03:53 AM
The Russian Orthodox Church has also been subservient to the Russian leader - Czar, General Secretary, President, whatever...even when they were carted off to gulag or murdered...

And if ZB or any other globalist tool thinks Eurasia is worth igniting the planet over...well, it's too bad tar/feather/rail is no longer a thing...

And I'm back to not GAFF again... 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 18, 2023, 12:07:59 PM
In other news FWIW...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/biden-names-multi-billionaire-heiress-obama-mega-donor/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/biden-names-multi-billionaire-heiress-obama-mega-donor/)

 ::hysterical::  Illuminati twit won't get the chance to rebuild Ukraine in the New World Order labor camp model if it is all in ashes!

As bitter a pill as it would be to swallow, such consideration may reveal that pursuing a negotiated end to the war, with the best deal for Kyiv as possible, could be the path that best secures American and NATO interests.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/message-lt-colonel-retired-usarmy-daniel-davis/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/message-lt-colonel-retired-usarmy-daniel-davis/)

I disagree with him for the above, not the bias...

Anybody who thinks the Demonic globalist cabal will render the planet to a lifeless smolder cinder than let Russia walk away with anything is beyond insane.  There will be no peace under these despots, no reconstruction...there will just be ashes.

As for this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/half-million-dead-ukraine-fires-all-its-deputy/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/half-million-dead-ukraine-fires-all-its-deputy/)

...more will die, all if necessary.  All current participants and puppetmasters demand it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 19, 2023, 11:20:55 AM
Another day passes...

 "No matter what it says, it [the US] controls this war, it supplies weapons, munition, intelligence information, data from satellites, it is pursuing a war against us,"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-united-states-war-against-us (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-united-states-war-against-us)

Sounds like the next phase of hostilities is going to commence...how unexpected...

/

Woke Milley and the moron Stoltenburg talk peace and war...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/milley-stoltenberg-agree-we-must-prepare-ourselves-long-war-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/milley-stoltenberg-agree-we-must-prepare-ourselves-long-war-ukraine)

...and one takes precedence over the other...

All sides hardening.

(https://media.tenor.com/-kZOB16tELEAAAAC/this-is-fine-fire.gif)

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2023, 12:48:21 PM

Mostly Israel bashing. How US wants a forever war in Ukr as in Israel.

https://youtu.be/zmICm4qO3i4
 Max Blumenthal: Ukraine to become 'Big Israel'?
The Grayzone
300K subscribers
31,192 views  Sep 18, 2023  #TheGrayzone
The Grayzone's Max Blumenthal addresses the Ron Paul Institute's 2023 Washington DC conference on the disturbing plans in Kiev and Washington to convert Ukraine into a "Big Israel," and what this means for the region and the future of US politics.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2023, 01:00:49 PM


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/32226
??The prophet of the unconquered Donbass - an amazing saint of our days - Elder Zosima (Sokur) back in the 90s predicted with documented accuracy the coming war in Ukraine, and the revival of Ukrainian fascism, and the atrocities to which the church schism in Ukraine would reach, and the ongoing wave hatred towards the people of Donbass: “When I die, ” he said, “bury me deeper so that Bandera’s people don’t dig me up.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2023, 01:53:44 PM

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/32227
??Mihailo Nechay, am "oracle" or teller or prophecies from Ivano-Frankivsk foretold the fall of Ukraine and the extinction of its lineage decades ago exactly like it's happening today.

??When Ukrainians became two peoples apart fighting each other it will be the end, and the country would be split between the neighbouring nations as in previous history periods.

??Follow:
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 19, 2023, 05:24:49 PM

Ukr govt 6 months ago. "We will be bathing in Crimea this summer after the counter offensive."
Now" It will be a long war. We never expected the counter offensive to break through. We always said it would be a long war. "
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 20, 2023, 08:28:38 AM
Prophet, lol...

See this?  Looks like the DOJ/KGB arm of the DeepState is perhaps beginning to distance itself (much like The Kenyan is backing quietly away from his minion FJB) from the Ukraine mess...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nyt-rare-about-face-now-says-ukrainian-missile-likely-behind-mass-casualty-strike (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nyt-rare-about-face-now-says-ukrainian-missile-likely-behind-mass-casualty-strike)

...but the Rocket was Russian, lol.

The Old Gray Whore starts telling the truth I don't think certain people will stand it and others may not believe it...

 ::hysterical::

And this...

The American man masquerading as a "female" spokesperson for the Ukrainian military has decided to pick a fight with a sitting American senator.

Senator JD Vance of Ohio has made formal inquiry as to whether Sarah Ashton-Cirillo (born Michael John Cirillo) is being funded by the US government or has ties to the US intelligence community.

Sen. Vance has sent a letter to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, and Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines, toward that end of seeking information.

Last week a viral video by Ashton-Cirillo saw him declare on behalf of the Territorial Defense Forces of Ukraine that Russia's "propagandists" will be "hunted down" around the world.

Revealingly, this was said just as an American journalist, Gonzalo Lira, was due in Ukrainian court on vague charges of "justifying Russia's aggression." That video sparked frenzy and anger online, given it seemed an open threat to journalists or anyone that doesn't toe a pro-Ukrainian line on any given issue related to the war.

Fireworks ensued as Sen. Vance and Ashton-Cirillo went back and forth...

Since I’ve got your attention, are you/Ukraine still planning to kill people who engage in speech you don’t like? And are there any American citizens on the kill list?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukraines-american-trans-spox-picks-fight-us-senator-jd-vance (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ukraines-american-trans-spox-picks-fight-us-senator-jd-vance)

It's one fugly demon on the outside and vile to the core inside...

And don't expect any of those a-holes to give you an honest answer!!!

Be a shame if that critter had an accident... 

And seriously, why would any sane Ukrainian leader want such a vile creature speaking fr them at all?  Insane.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2023, 10:04:21 AM
^^^
That NYT piece was a big change. They normally report anything the Kiev govt says as fact. IMO the NYT is a mouthpiece for the WH.

I wonder if the missile strike was accidental or intentional for the Blincken visit? It is a pro RU area under Kiev control. Back when I watched too many telegram videos I saw plenty of Ukr troop social media posts where they boast of shelling the pro RU residential areas not under their control to drive the subhumans off the land.

Patrick Lancaster, US ex pat, was doing freelance reporting for some western MSM from Donbass. He stopped after they changed his reporting. He would take videos of some civilian residential areas in Donbass recently shelled or rocket attacked by Kiev. They would change it to say RU did it.

I read that Tucker Carlson was briefly on the Ukr kill list but they removed him.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2023, 12:32:48 PM



https://t.me/ukraine_watch/8924
Quote
??🇺🇦🇺🇳Zelensky presented his vision for the reform of the UN, proposing that the General Assembly be given the right to override the veto of the permanent members of the Security Council.

In his view, the veto should be overridden by two-thirds of the votes of the countries represented in the UN General Assembly. "And such a General Assembly resolution should be binding on all member states," he believes.

Zelensky spoke in Ukrainian, which is not an official UN language.

1. I think this means that there were no UN translators so most present could not understand what he said.
2. Russian is the native language of Zelensky. His Ukrainian sucks.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2023, 01:20:12 PM

ttps://www.breitbart.com/europe/2023/09/19/exclusive-american-citizen-journalist-sitting-in-ukraine-prison-state-dept-confirms-as-biden-begs-for-billions-more-to-protect-ukraine-freedom/
Exclusive: American Citizen Journalist Sitting in Ukraine Prison, State Dept. Confirms, as Biden Begs for Billions More to Protect Ukrainian ‘Freedom’

https://youtu.be/7dpxvyWksRA (https://youtu.be/7dpxvyWksRA)
 JD Vance, Gonzalo hostage. Elensky, UN panic. Pashinyan green T. Duda-Elensky bromance ends. U/1
Alex Christoforou
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 20, 2023, 02:06:22 PM

Poland and Ukr are not getting along well. Mutual threats of trade actions. Ukraine taking Pol to court. Also in 2024 Pol will end free stuff for Ukr people in Pol. Ukr will block Pol goods from Ukr.
https://youtu.be/7dpxvyWksRA?t=1954 (https://youtu.be/7dpxvyWksRA?t=1954)


https://www.rt.com/news/583259-poland-veiled-threat-ukraine/ (https://www.rt.com/news/583259-poland-veiled-threat-ukraine/)
Polish President Andrzej Duda has said Kiev should not forget the crucial role Poland plays in Western military aid to Ukraine. The veiled threat came after cash-strapped Ukraine launched legal action against Warsaw over Poland’s embargo on imports of Ukrainian grain.

“It would be good for Ukraine to remember that it receives help from us and to remember that we are also a transit country to Ukraine,” Duda told reporters on the sidelines of the UN General Assembly in New York on Tuesday.

https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1704260867661902247 (https://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1704260867661902247)
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🇺🇦 In the coming days, Ukraine will block the import of some Polish vegetables and fruits in response to the ban on the import of Ukrainian goods - Deputy Minister of Economy of Ukraine Kachka

The Ukrainian side states that the ban on the import of Polish products is being introduced as a response to the embargo on Ukrainian agricultural products. The embargo will be imposed on onions, tomatoes, cabbage and apples.

📝 “Poland has no right to introduce such measures,” Kaczka said.

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Deputy Minister of Economy of Ukraine Taras Kachka said that in the coming days the authorities will introduce an embargo on the supply of certain types of agricultural products from Poland.

The measure will be introduced in response to Poland’s unilateral extension of the ban on the import of Ukrainian grain.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2023, 07:57:14 AM
Poles are feeling cocky being the new military staging point for US supplies and personnel...a cockiness not experienced since they were the middle management muscle bossing around the peasants of the Austro-Hungarian Empire...Ukrainians are remembering what it was like being slaves under them and the Soviets...

SSDD

PS-Let us see how this affects Poland's status with the US - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-fractures-u-turn-poland-announces-will-no-longer-arm-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/nato-fractures-u-turn-poland-announces-will-no-longer-arm-ukraine)

And then there is this... https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-warn-white-house-ukraine-aid-mccarthy-vows-confront-zelensky (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gop-lawmakers-warn-white-house-ukraine-aid-mccarthy-vows-confront-zelensky)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2023, 10:41:05 AM
Poland compares Ukr to drowning man.
https://youtu.be/4W0YZ6D-ABU?t=1207
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2023, 10:52:46 AM

https://www.rt.com/news/583329-polish-mp-bills-ukraine/ (https://www.rt.com/news/583329-polish-mp-bills-ukraine/)
 Polish MP ‘bills’ Ukraine $23 billion for support
The stunt was intended as a rebuke to Kiev, which is suing Warsaw for imposing a ban on Ukrainian grain imports
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 21, 2023, 11:30:59 AM


Is it certain that RU bought 10M shells from NK? BTW US got 500K shells from SK. Now SK has fit when RU and NK cooperate? If just buying shells why would they care? Maybe US is pissed and SK is a US puppet?
Any thoughts on accuracy of content below?

https://voxday.net/2023/09/21/the-artillery-dilemma/
...
    Artillery is the king of the battlefield again, accounting for 85 percent of the casualties in Ukraine.
    One 155mm round made in the USA by USA contractors costs 5,500 dollars, while a 152mm round made in Russia costs 600 dollars.
    One 152mm made in North Korea probably costs less than 60 dollars. The Russians just bought 10 million of them, and due to their oil production, can afford to buy as many shells as the North Koreans can make.
    Outsourcing ammunition production to China is not exactly an option these days.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 21, 2023, 12:23:52 PM
Proximity to resources and indentured in all but name labor are a boon for some...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 22, 2023, 06:25:58 PM

An American GI is a field in Moldova.
A farmer asks why he is here in his field. I cannot understand his fractured English,
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/6142
Where you from?
America.
America? What you doing here?
??
Go home.
I'm here to help.
You help me? [he laughs] You make war here. You here.  Russia soldier no here.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 23, 2023, 05:39:10 PM

weird.
https://t.me/VampireSix/710
🇨🇦🇺🇦 Listen to this reporter commenting on Zelensky's visit to Canada...

Then listen again and something will feel a little off.

That's because she says the veteran receiving the standing ovation fought against the Russians in the Second World War.

Yes, because the 98 year old "veteran" is Yaroslav Hunka, who fought for the 14th division of the Waffen SS.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 08:07:43 AM
So much stuff to not care about I am overwhelmed with an increasing level of don't GAFF.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 25, 2023, 10:24:06 AM



Get the popcorn. Canadian parliament gives a standing ovation to a Canadian former SS soldier. Poles are not amused. LMAO.

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/16rn7ci/poland_will_not_tolerate_the_whitewashing_of_the/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/16rn7ci/poland_will_not_tolerate_the_whitewashing_of_the/)

The story of how 2000 SS soldiers were admitted into Canada, who refused to admit anyone who voluntarily served in the WWII German army.

http://espritdecorps.ca/history-feature/the-rcaf-officer-who-brought-hitlers-waffen-ss-to-canada (http://espritdecorps.ca/history-feature/the-rcaf-officer-who-brought-hitlers-waffen-ss-to-canada)
The RCAF Officer Who Brought Hitler’s Waffen SS to Canada
October 30, 2020

...
Panchuk was able to get members of the 14th Waffen SS Division Galicia into Canada by lying about their past.
...
The British government also knew only cursory background checks had been conducted into the division members and their activities during the war. In 2005 the release of new documents from the British archives outlined the extent of the efforts in the late 1940s to pawn off members of 14th Waffen SS Division Galicia on to Canada. “What little we know of their war record is bad,” wrote Beryl Hughes, who was handling the issue for Britain’s Home Office. “We’re still hoping to get rid of the less desirable Ukrainian PoWs either to Germany or Canada,” Hughes added in another note in 1948.
...
But pressure from the nationalist Ukrainian lobby in Canada as well as the British government was too great and Panchuk was successful. As many as 2,000 members of 14th SS Division Galicia arrived in Canada in the 1950s and immediately started to whitewash and cover up their past.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 10:34:15 AM
Canada's problem, don't GAFF.  But I do find it hilarious that the bogus ADL hasn't denounced it...yet again shows their tainted stripes.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: ToddF on September 25, 2023, 12:27:42 PM
Bonus points for this evil ditz participating in the applause.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1706050243857371646 (https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1706050243857371646)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 25, 2023, 03:55:12 PM
Bonus points for this evil ditz participating in the applause.

https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1706050243857371646 (https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1706050243857371646)

A truly repugnant slab of spoiled Canadian bacon...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 27, 2023, 01:21:20 PM

Weird. Dreizin earlier said tht the Polish politicians are mostly posturing and will revert to form after the elections.

https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/09/26/to-the-blockheads-who-still-dont-get-what-dreizin-is-about/
...
Again…..

“Don’t give us this rubbish about the need of educated immigration… We don’t need your doctors, your engineers. Take them, take them all, and pay for them. We don’t need them.”

LOL. Sure, he doesn’t need any more doctors, because AFTER Poland lost thousands of doctors—and SEVERAL MILLION other workers—to the UK, France, etc., in the 2000’s…..

…..it SAVED itself by importing just as many (or more) Ukrainians after 2014.

There are now tens of thousands of Ukrainian doctors, nurses, pharmacists, therapists, psychologists, etc. in Poland.

Some second- and third-tier Polish cities are now literally ONE-QUARTER “Ukrainian” (almost all of them, Russian-speaking, LOL. It’s a Russian invasion!)

Immigration gave Poland a new lease on life.

(Sure, it’s not Third World immigration. But, this guy is talking about doctors and engineers. I assume he DOES NOT mean Afghans, LOL.)

Of course, FEW of these people—and ALMOST NONE of the pre-2022 immigrants, specifically—want to ever go back to Uncle Sam’s 51st state.

If they have kids, their kids are in Polish schools, becoming Polish.

If any want to leave Poland, it’s only to move further west.

As for Poland’s present “spat” with the Ukraine…..

…..this is also about the election.

They’ve said they won’t give any more weapons to the Ukraine.

Yeah, duh, because they have nothing more to give!

They had nothing more to give, even a month ago, two months ago, LOL. They didn’t make a big deal of it, then, because the election was further away.

They will certainly make up with the Ukraine (to some extent) after their election.

P.S. Looking at the Twitter graphic: “One of the lowest debts in Europe” is… rich! When you receive around €11.4 billion a year in net transfer payments (over and above your contributions to the EU) from the EU… which covers or offsets TEN PERCENT of your state budget… not to mention, €1.5-1.6 billion a year in low-interest loans… it’s somewhat easier not to go into debt, no?

To anyone who’s THAT tone-deaf…..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 28, 2023, 01:12:37 PM


https://humanevents.com/2023/09/27/ukrainian-trans-fighter-sarah-ashton-cirillo-duped-into-interview-with-russian-prankster-duo-calls-for-ukrainian-special-forces-to-conduct-attacks-on-russian-propagandists-tv-hosts-after-kill-list-controversy
 
Ukrainian trans fighter 'Sarah' Ashton-Cirillo duped into interview with Russian prankster duo, calls for Ukrainian special forces to conduct attacks on Russian propagandists, TV hosts after kill list controversy

    by: Jessica Barshis 09/27/2023

Ukrainian trans fighter 'Sarah' Ashton-Cirillo duped into interview with Russian prankster duo, calls for Ukrainian special forces to conduct attacks on Russian propagandists, TV hosts after kill list controversy

A video was released on Wednesday by notorious Russian pranksters Vovan and Lexus in which they successfully tricked volunteer servicemember Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, the trans-identified male former spokesperson for Ukraine, into believing he was speaking to former president and People’s Deputy Petro Poroshenko.
  :lolh:
Two calls were made and recorded both prior to Ashton-Cirillo's being dismissed as spokesperson and after.
...
He continued, “The Russians are not European Russians, as Mr. Danilov was clear to say Russians have a different culture Russians are Asian. And ultimately, they do come from the Mongols.”

“They do come from a grouping of people who are wanting to be slaves and want to be led.”
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on September 28, 2023, 02:06:15 PM
Of more interesting note - the Rus' neo-nazi mercs are back...good 'ol Wagner...but according to the Rus sources not near where Kyiv says they are...but they are in the SMO theater...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/is-wagner-pmc-returning-fighters-supposedly-disbanded-group/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/is-wagner-pmc-returning-fighters-supposedly-disbanded-group/)

Okie dokie...let's get the neo-nazi on neo-nazi festivities going!!!   ::whoohoo::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 28, 2023, 03:13:34 PM

Good Hitler in the bunker meme. They morphed Zelensky's face onto Hitler.
https://t.me/southfronteng/38712
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on September 29, 2023, 11:49:26 AM

I have not watched this yet.
https://youtu.be/kjj__aya4BA
 
The SS in Britain 2001- Director Julian Hendy - Banned UK TV Documentary

or
https://twitter.com/ParrhesiaNous/status/1707081426527559774?s=20
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 02, 2023, 01:21:52 PM


A useful link.
https://original.antiwar.com/jeffrey_sachs/2023/09/19/the-real-history-of-the-war-in-ukraine/

The Real History of the War in Ukraine
by Jeffrey D. Sachs Posted on September 20, 2023   

The American people urgently need to know the true history of the war in Ukraine and its current prospects. Unfortunately, the mainstream media – The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, MSNBC, and CNN – have become mere mouthpieces of the government, repeating US President Joe Biden’s lies and hiding history from the public.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 03, 2023, 12:20:58 PM
Picking on the MFM is easy because they are nefarious...but how come nobody ever asks what enables them to be nefarious?

Same elements that allow the DemoNazis and Cucks to thrive...a lazy and/or stupid populous...

Information is out there identifying a myriad of reasons why we should not be wasting time in Ukraine...but people are too lazy and stupid to seek it out...just like Cucks are too lazy and stupid to pushback on ANY encroachment upon Liberty, Life et al...

So...any argument boiling down to America-bad/Russia-good or America-can't win/Russia can't lose or any variations thereof are DOA.  The lazy and stupid don't react to that, and those insisting they should are themselves being stupid.

The reality just is.

What may work, and which as far as I can tell nobody has tried is something along the lines of...

Should America want to win when we are not told how much it will cost in the end in money and lives?   Why after the great Ukrainian Offensive and hundreds of billions of American money and war materials did the Russian gain a net 200 square miles along the war front?  Why are we wasting time and resources there when our border is being overrun by military aged males from around the globe?  Putin sucks bet lets be honest, we as citizens and a nation are gaining nothing, zip zero nada in supporting this mess that can only get worse and certainly not better than the current status quo...while our arm supplies are being depleted while the Communist Chinese dragon licks its chops and is armed to the teeth!

The KISS principle sans distractions is the way.  Not pointing fingers, not picking personalities not kicking pigs.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 03, 2023, 06:31:36 PM

The reasons for war have not changed much from the Romans to the Germans and Japs in WWII. More land, stuff, tribute, slaves, sex slaves, comfort women.

What were the reasons for Kiev wanting a war? They wanted to drive Russians off land they had been on for hundreds of years and the Russians in the east did not intend to leave and ultimately had the support of Russians in Russia. Kiev also wanted to stop those in the east from teaching their kids in Russian. Also no local  control over anything. Later on arrest priests etc. In short, they wanted to stick it to Russians in the east. That doesn't put food on the table.

The Donbass and even Crimea wanted autonomy after the 2014 coup, not separation. Later on separation.

If Lenin had drawn the map for Ukraine along the Dnieper River there would have been no war as Donbass would have been part of Russia back when.

They could have left the Russians alone. Promised to be neutral. No war. Either the US geniuses thought that the US actions would not result in war OR that US actions would result in war which US/NATO would win. I vote the latter. Those geniuses suck at their day jobs.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2023, 08:44:47 AM
It's easy to pass on past sins, pretend to be more noble than your foe and not have to apologize for any of it while people in far away palaces passing judgements one way or another like they are free of sin and know everything...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 04, 2023, 12:27:50 PM
I'm mostly not talking about good and evil but smart vs stupid.
I am not expert in empires but ....
The Romans ruled by exacting tribute and pretty much leaving the locals alone because they were smart, not good. It worked.

Some Roman governor put down the Boudica revolt in Britain. He was sacked because his policies had incited the revolt. He was recalled not because he was evil but because he did stupid things.

NN Taleb said that Aleppo was a wealthy city on a trade route. The Romans and Ottomans did not mess with local govt.  It took the socialist Baath party to micromanage and drive out the wealth.

The Donbass was reportedly the wealth generating region of Ukraine. Lots of industry. I do not know the detailed history. Commies were big into industrialization. Percent Russian decreased some over time as Ukrainians moved in for the jobs.

Kiev could have sat back and collected taxes from Donbass. Even if a flat income tax or VAT Donbass was a money maker for them. Instead they drink the hyper nationalist NAZI cool aid, rewrite the history books (literally), decide that only ethnic Ukrainians should live within the borders drawn by Lenin, and only Ukrainian spoken.  IMO very stupid moves with predictable bad results.

Then Kiev creates a new sect of the orthodox church in 2019. Now they arrest priests, seize churches, recently seized a convent of some sort. The Romans would not make stupid moves like that. Messing with religion? Some of the worst PR the commies got in Tibet was what they did to Buddhist monks.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 04, 2023, 12:44:11 PM
So?  What good comes in rehashing the past?  Others have other recollections of the past and they are dismissed.  Guess what?  None of that matters, none of that will solve the existing reality...it will only ensure violence continues and escalates.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 04, 2023, 02:04:34 PM

Usually the real reasons for a war make some kind of sense looking back. This Ukr one is psycho. IMO it is in line with published US doctrines to weaken/degrade any major power, especially Russia.

E.g.
Captured ISIS/AQ troops in Syria were unemployed foreign males who got paid and understood that under the Koran, they could take sex slaves or wives. I do not condone that but it makes some sense.

There are some fast paced history docs with good animations of past US coups. I noticed that the real reason for them is never given at the time. Promoting "democracy" sounds better than "United Fruit Company."

The US govt/MSM create fairy tales for all the current wars. Libya. Syria. etc etc etc.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 05, 2023, 03:16:39 PM


Maybe Judge Nap was referring to the statement by the trans former Ukr spokesperson?

I used to watch lots of video clips from telegram from all sides. That included social media from soldiers and civilians on the Kiev side of the battle. I heard them say that Russians were subhuman and they were shelling civilians in the Donbass to drive them their sacred land. This went back before the invasion.

In short, NAZIs hated Slavs as subhuman. So the Banderites in the region of current western Ukraine created an alternate history. They were really European, Germanic, not Slavs like the Mongol Russians and were genetically different etc. This is taught to Ukr school children.

Civilians in Mariupol described how the Ukr troops acted towards them. This included shooting civilians etc. Why not? They were not human, after all. Mariupol was an ethnic Russian city.


The first 5 min or so are interesting.
https://youtu.be/-MSGD_V4_fU?t=43
[lowkeysays]https://youtu.be/-MSGD_V4_fU?t=43[/lowkeysays]
 American Neocons and Their Global Community w/Alastair Crooke fmr Brit ambassador
Judge Napolitano

Here is a recent article
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/10/02/jumping-the-shark-of-altruism-to-ethnic-war/

Jumping the Shark of Altruism – to Ethnic War
Alastair Crooke
October 2, 2023
© Photo: Public domain
...
Back to the Brzezinski doctrine: Does this Canadian imbroglio remind us that the sub-plot originally conceived by Brzezinski was identity-driven cultural war? Certainly, Ukrainian officials have embraced repeatedly, the aim of cleansing all things Russian from Ukraine. Democracy promotion may have been a pretext, but the quiet part always was to foment violent animosity towards Russians – and to Russia, as a cultural ‘idea’.

This raises an important question: Can a West of shared, cultural like-mindedness ‘imagine itself’ into total cultural war against the values of Russia?
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 05, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
Cleansing is hardly a new idea...though last couple centuries saw a spike...Armenians, sundry "undesirables" in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia...China (most recently the Uyghurs)...tribes in SE Asia and Africa...Japanese in WWII in several places...Mahdi Death Cultists in Iran crave it, Pali's crave it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 05, 2023, 05:45:12 PM

This is from the grumpy Russian ex pat, ex USSR military, now in US. What is interesting is the date. Long before the SMO.
update
In short, US destroyed its mfg base. US needs a war in Ukr to drive EU into our arms. RU does not need EU trade or the NS pipeline but EU does. If US sabotages NS it will destroy EU. US lost the conventional arms race and cannot even build anti ship missiles. US elites are idiots. US needs to provoke Russia into war over Ukraine.

https://www.unz.com/article/the-dictatorship-of-numbers/ (https://www.unz.com/article/the-dictatorship-of-numbers/)
The Dictatorship of Numbers
In Continuation of a Conversation with Paul Craig Roberts
Andrei Martyanov • April 7, 2021 • 2,800 Words • 290 Comments • Reply
...
America started to lose its only tool which was and even today remains the only valid mean to an end of economic prosperity—manufacturing capacity. A concept which is beyond the grasp of most American economists and political pseudo-scientists most of who today wear Chinese tailored suits, carry iPhones manufactured in China and use laptops and PCs assembled there as well.
...
So, to convince those 447 million EU’s residents that they need America’s protection and weapons, America needs Russia to get into the war in Ukraine and if it will end up with utter destruction, and it will if Russia really decides so, of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and, likely, Ukrainian statehood, so be it.
...
Making Russia obliterate Ukrainian Armed Forces is a perfect way to scare Europeans into abandoning any attempts to economically compete with the United States and deny them access to Russia’s energy.
...
1. Europe is not anymore a crucial trade partner for Russia and mutual trade plummeted in the last few years. ...

2. A much-discussed pipeline of Nord Stream 2 is, actually, not a crucial economic project for Russia anymore. Russia can absorb losses if the project eventually sabotaged by the United States and its European poodles such as Poland, but for Germany, and EU in general, this sabotage will result in catastrophe,...

3.  The United States lost the arms race. America’s weapons acquisition process and military doctrine-mongering cannot be viewed anymore as a normal, that is logical and justified, process....

4.  The United States simply cannot develop modern supersonic anti-shipping missile and the US Navy is forced, incomprehensibly, to buy Norwegian Kongsberg Naval Strike Missile ...

5. Lastly, the intellectual level and the level of awareness of modern American elites is in a precipitous decline,...

The United States already fails to meet a number criteria imperative for the status of superpower, among which a military one is crucial. If some American military “strategists” still exercised a suicidal idea of fighting Russia conventionally in Ukraine in 2014, today in 2021 such an idea is downright mad, because the United States cannot win conventional war in Russia’s vicinity and any US force will be annihilated. This leaves the United States only two options:

1. Indeed, believing its own propaganda, try to unleash mayhem in Ukraine, provoke Russia into a direct military operation and then introduce whatever the force US and NATO will muster into the theater of operations. Any such plan is bound to fail miserably because not only such a force will be annihilated but participating NATO nations will face the possibility of their military installations destroyed by stand-off weapons. ...

2. So, what’s left realistically is to push Ukraine into the suicidal campaign with Russia being designated aggressor before even the first shots are fired. ...Russia has many options, the United States has one—it needs war in Donbass, which, Washington’s thinking goes, will allow to drive Europeans into submission, which allegedly should allow the United States to save her hegemonic status. It will not even if Europe is driven into submission.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 06, 2023, 08:30:59 AM
US destroyed its mfg base

Greedy crony capitalists desiring cheap labor abetted by USCOC types started it...UniParty clowns for sale joined it once they saw how much kicked back to them for adopting friendly policy and legislation to it...

And a fat lazy and stupid populace let them get away with it...

And at first it wasn't "bad"...losing manufacturing capacity for mundane things is one thing...losing core manufacturing capacity overseas is criminally negligent from a national security perspective alone...

The rest of that screed is rather tortured logic IMO...

The Euro's were happy to be US vassals...plowing money into socialist BS vs defense that Uncle Sam provided eagerly...

Scarring Euro's?  Yeah....I think some Rus psyche is being projected...  They have demonstrated over the decades very clear and specific episodes of throwing up stops signs to America...track record there obliterates a blanket predisposition to fearfulness...

And is this shows...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-lifts-ban-seaborne-diesel-exports (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russia-lifts-ban-seaborne-diesel-exports)

...item #2 is not entirely true from either perspective and seems to throw pooh on the pre-SMO assertion cited...

#3 & 4 make no sense to me...but whatever, not important...

#5 is low-hanging fruit and hardly an outlier anywhere in this world.

The concluding statements seem full of hubris given historical performances though in general and all other things being equal proximity to ones own ground s/b an advantage at least at the start of any kinetic activity...

All in all I am underwhelmed.  But hey, thank the guy for playing.

Let's see how the show unfolds, shall we?   ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2023, 12:02:20 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/russias-counter-offensive-donbas-front-is-accelerating/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/russias-counter-offensive-donbas-front-is-accelerating/)

Curious timing, I'm sure it is all coincidental and hardly nefarious...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 09, 2023, 03:31:18 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-considering-huge-100-billion-ukraine-spending-package-telegraph (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/biden-considering-huge-100-billion-ukraine-spending-package-telegraph)

Here's something new and necessary...

NO!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 11, 2023, 03:24:43 PM

I had heard that the Ukr have created some history where they are Europeans and Russians are Asians and genetically distinct.  This has recently crept into EU language.

I recall seeing an ad for a Kiev sperm bank guaranteeing no Russian genes.
Former UK ambassador Crooke goes into this a little. Recently the Ukr trans spokesperson Sarah repeated this. She was suspended for a while then reinstated. She did not make this up by herself. I think Ukr school children are taught this.

35 min in. He talks about the Ukr post war period and Galen. Around 43 min he says Brzezi?ski wrote in his book to harm Russia by exploiting this Ukr belief in superiority over Russians.
https://youtu.be/0IKCo3MVW1o?t=2078
 
Extremist Politics in Israel and Ukraine - Alastair Crooke, Alexander Mercouris and Glenn Diesen
The Duran

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2023/10/09/sustained-peace-with-russia-is-it-possible/
Sustained Peace With Russia? Is It Possible?

Alastair Crooke

October 9, 2023
© Photo: Social media
This Ukrainian identitarian ‘play’ has a crucial part in the story of why sustained peace with Russia is foreclosed.

Few people even know the name ‘Gehlen’, yet Reinhart Gehlen and his SS men not only shaped politically the newborn OSS and CIA, but also, to a significant extent, determined post-war American attitudes toward Russia. A zeitgeist that has remained largely intact to this day, Gehlen – ‘man of light and dark’; both Führer loyalist and traitor – long before Hitler finally fired him. Sometimes it is necessary to look into deep history to identify the roots of contemporary issues.

Gehlen was adept in persuading Hitler how weak were the opposing Russian forces: When General Paulus’s Sixth Army was surrounded by Russian armies which methodically crushed everything inside the cauldron, Gulen reassured that “the enemy troop concentrations remained much too weak for far-reaching operations”. And whilst the Sixth Army of 300,000 German soldiers was being crushed, and Paulus’s last Panzer tanks had been lost, Gehlen sent Hitler old intelligence showing no indication at all of Soviet troop movements. Finally, just as Stalingrad was falling, and Paulus about to surrender, Gulen admitted to Hitler that “the situation of Stalingrad might very well be serious”.

It seems that underestimating Russia has a storied history …

...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 12, 2023, 08:15:23 AM
Well, dictatorships often result in underlings telling the dictator what they want to hear...

As for Brzezinski he was Polish living in a town that resides in modern day Ukraine and this part of Eastern Europe saw brutality by both Germans and Russians but more with the latter than the former...which isn't saying he favored the former over the latter...the latter were just worse.  And advancing superiority is hardly novel anywhere...and in this area the idea of the Rus claiming the mantle of King of the Slavs which is only a tad bit megalomaniacal...so why then cannot oppressed people claim their own superiority?  Fair is fair after all and sh*t should flow both ways.  No hypocrites.

And Brzezinski being shaped by Soviet occupation says more to me that the Nazi crap...saying either is better or worse than the other is a smokescreen...who abused the people first is something a lot of people like to forget...that Brzezinski saw opportunity to exploit resentments in Eastern Europe can hardly be seen as shocking or a surprise...it existed because the Soviets created it...if not for Communist revolutionaries we would not be talking about any of this...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2023, 10:08:37 AM
Keep doubling down on stupid...

https://www.reuters.com/world/us-must-be-ready-simultaneous-wars-with-china-russia-report-says-2023-10-12/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/us-must-be-ready-simultaneous-wars-with-china-russia-report-says-2023-10-12/)

...there is only one primary foe - Communist China...followed by Islamist terror, Norks...and minor despotic regimes...

 ::bus::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2023, 03:12:37 PM
After months of an unsuccessful Ukrainian counteroffensive, where Kiev managed to conquer one quarter of one percent of the territory under Russian control, the tables now have turned.

With fierce assaults, non-stop shelling and combat aircraft work, starting on October 9th, Russian forces have been carrying out a sustained attack of their own.

Fighting intensified in multiple sectors of the 1,000-km-long (600-mile) front, but the world’s attention right now is centered in the siege on Avdiivka, ‘the key to Donetsk’.

It’s the seventh straight day of assaults in Russia’s biggest push since last spring, attempting to create a ‘cauldron’ around the Ukrainian defenders in the ‘industrial heartland of Donbas’.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/siege-avdiivka-russian-forces-cut-all-supply-reinforcement/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/siege-avdiivka-russian-forces-cut-all-supply-reinforcement/)

OK, well...air dominance makes air support lethal in supporting ground forces...the Rus should be advancing...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 16, 2023, 03:32:25 PM

I don't follow the short term aspects of the Ukr war. Kiev said their intention was to counter attack and retake land. I believed them. Russians said their intention was to demilitarize the Kiev forces. I believed them also. I recall something similar in the US civil war where one general said he wanted to destroy the other army, not take land.

So Kiev has been on offense for a long time and took heavy casualties compared to RU which was on defense. Now RU finally went on offense again and is taking heavier losses than before.

General mud is about to enter the war again. Maybe real soon or in a couple weeks.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 16, 2023, 05:52:14 PM
Yup, and after the mud freezes the game will pick up pace again...

I would expect that mud phase to be open hunting season for aerial assets...lots of low-mobility targets to go after...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2023, 09:10:20 AM
Hard up, desperate...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/north-koreas-covert-role-russian-ukrainian-conflict (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/north-koreas-covert-role-russian-ukrainian-conflict)

...sure the source could be a bunch of glowies, doesn't make the facts wrong, just the motivation for posting it (more fund raising for Ukraine)...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 20, 2023, 10:41:16 AM


maybe just a rumor
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/20/biggest-scoop-of-dreizins-career-read-it-here-first-with-globohomo-having-all-of-its-dicks-caught-in-every-possible-vise-and-going-downhill-by-the-day-china-is-about-to-start-providing-arms-not/

Biggest scoop of Dreizin’s career, read it here first: With GLOBOHOMO having all of its dicks caught in every possible vise, and going downhill by the day, China is about to start providing arms (not just components) to Russia, possibly through North Korea, so as to “obscure the trail” for appearance’s sake, but nonetheless the arms will be Chinese. “Remember this tweet.”


https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/19/hell-freezes-over-as-european-student-council-uhh-i-mean-european-parliament-votes-500-21-on-resolution-that-among-other-things-states-the-terrorist-organization-hamas-needs-to-be-eliminated/

Home Your UN-fake News Source HELL FREEZES OVER as European Student Council, uhh, I mean, European Parliament, votes 500-21 on resolution that, among other things, states “the terrorist organization Hamas needs to be eliminated.” (Yes, I had to read this 3 times, could hardly believe it.) Folks, as I told you, game has changed. They’re serious about this. Islamiacs f*cked up & went overboard with medieval Wahhabi bedouin raid that was just too damn well documented. This sh*t was par for the course in Algeria 30 years ago, BUT there was no support for that in the world, no toxic “5th column” in Europe was cheering, it was not seen as threat to “the continent.” Now the Eurotrash, who figured they could buy off Hamas & keep it chill w/ a few $100 million dollars/year in aid money, really do feel THREATENED. It’s like there’s a man-eating tiger out in the woods now, that, having tasted blood, must be put down, & they’re finally getting behind Israel to do it. I *NEVER* imagined this could happen. (Also, Egypt has said “no” to any refugees crossing its borders, its govt likewise feels the heat, doesn’t want to become another Lebanon. Everybody just needed Gaza to STAY in Gaza.) Any “analyst” who doesn’t ***recognize and cover*** this SEA CHANGE is not even worth your time, they’re just PANDERING TRASH, pole-dancing for their peanut gallery.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 20, 2023, 12:23:34 PM
Nork's/Chi-Com's...

Gotta spend some of that PetroYuan on stuff the other way...

snort!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 21, 2023, 03:26:18 PM


https://twitter.com/DagnyTaggart963/status/1715649048290443295 (https://twitter.com/DagnyTaggart963/status/1715649048290443295)
Lithuania proposed its plan for “destruction of Russian industrial capacities”, EUobserver, Vilnius has submitted a proposal for a new package of EU sanctions. Plan is to destroy the industry of the RF by banning the export of nails, sewing needles and knitting needles.

Geniuses

https://youtu.be/Inht-nct_D0?t=1849 (https://youtu.be/Inht-nct_D0?t=1849)

Also
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/eu-close-to-finalising-russian-diamond-ban-says-belgium-pm (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/11/eu-close-to-finalising-russian-diamond-ban-says-belgium-pm)
EU ‘very close’ to finalising Russian diamond ban, says Belgian PM

Belgian backing for Russian diamond embargo critical as about 90% of world’s diamonds pass through Antwerp
...
Belgian backing for the embargo is critical, as an estimated 90% of the world’s diamonds pass through the port city of Antwerp. The government has faced industry pressure not to back a ban, with warnings from producers that any sanctions would just divert the valuable trade from Antwerp to Dubai.

https://twitter.com/mateo_tao/status/1643576719704506370 (https://twitter.com/mateo_tao/status/1643576719704506370)
EU to discuss 11th sanctions package against Russia after Catholic Easter this weekend.
Belgium is still importing Russian diamonds. A ban will destroy 160.000 jobs in Belgium. And  will  create jobs in India & Dubai.

https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1715672601136148567 (https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1715672601136148567)

The Kyiv Independent
@KyivIndependent
·
10h
Replying to
@KyivIndependent
The bloc's 12th sanctions package could include a ban on Russian diamonds, a further crackdown on Russia's ability to circumvent sanctions, and listing companies in third-party countries that help Moscow to do so, Bloomberg said.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 23, 2023, 07:50:05 AM
One could argue that if not for Russian Communism and expansionism none of this would be occurring...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 26, 2023, 07:31:12 PM
Sometimes Dreizin is right. Who knows. He gets pissed when people like Redacted use his stuff without attribution.

https://thedreizinreport.com/
https://thedreizinreport.com/2023/10/26/watch-out-for-youtubers-who-follow-dreizin-repeating-this-tomorrow-with-the-slagheap-by-the-coke-plant-definitively-in-russian-hands-ukr-artillery-facing-front-wide-munitions-rationing-most/

Watch out for YouTubers who follow Dreizin, repeating this tomorrow: With “the slagheap by the coke plant” DEFINITIVELY in Russian hands, Ukr artillery facing front-wide munitions rationing, & most of Ukr’s remaining air force destroyed in last week, Zaluzhny (finally back to work after his concussion) TODAY ordered ***evacuation of all Avdeevka-sector HQ’s & command centers to Kramatorsk.*** Yes, it is how it looks. Although Ukr’s reconstituted 47th & other brigades being redeployed from Zaporozhie to this sector, command evac suggests situation now too dangerous from an air defense & “incoming fire” perspective, cannot be managed locally. I’m sure things wouldn’t be so glum IF THEY HADN’T SOLD SO MANY OF THEIR AMERICAN WEAPONS TO HAMAS (BWAHAHAHAH!!!!)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 26, 2023, 08:37:55 PM

I found a succinct version of a pro Russian version of what happened. Most of what I believe is based on watching maybe over 100 telegram videos. Many from the Kiev faction. They have an ideology that regards Russians as subhumans to be driven from their sacred land.
Everything in the Russian international law  play book had been used by the US.
https://southfront.press/russia-the-four-evilest-big-lies/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 30, 2023, 01:26:18 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/)

Easy, Vlad...calling people terrorists doesn't give you carte blanche to respond however you want, especially if you are not consistent with Israel's response to Hamas, Hezbollah...Iran...
 ::oldman::

And in more carte blanche news...Speaker Johnson puts FJB Regime on notice that questions need answering before any new money to Ukraine is even brought up for a vote...and no bundling of bills either!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all)

 ::clapping::

And I have no problem per se in not providing aid to Israel as long as there is no hindrance on them buying (even on credit) needed material they may need...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on October 30, 2023, 04:11:14 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/)

Easy, Vlad...calling people terrorists doesn't give you carte blanche to respond however you want, especially if you are not consistent with Israel's response to Hamas, Hezbollah...Iran...
 ::oldman::

And in more carte blanche news...Speaker Johnson puts FJB Regime on notice that questions need answering before any new money to Ukraine is even brought up for a vote...and no bundling of bills either!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all)

 ::clapping::

And I have no problem per se in not providing aid to Israel as long as there is no hindrance on them buying (even on credit) needed material they may need...

There was an interesting announcement from the CIA recently maybe one week ago. They said they had trained the Ukr SBU but suddenly distanced themselves from the SBU assassinations. I  don't believe the latter but ...
Why and why now?

They have been assassinating people like mayors in the occupied/liberated areas for a long time. If you are a teacher or even voted in a referendum in those areas you are a  "collaborator" but not worth a car bomb. Maybe a bullet later.

Also, Kiev attacked some nuke storage plant a few days ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on October 31, 2023, 08:13:34 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/10/another-political-assassination-attempt-pro-russia-politician-oleg/)

Easy, Vlad...calling people terrorists doesn't give you carte blanche to respond however you want, especially if you are not consistent with Israel's response to Hamas, Hezbollah...Iran...
 ::oldman::

And in more carte blanche news...Speaker Johnson puts FJB Regime on notice that questions need answering before any new money to Ukraine is even brought up for a vote...and no bundling of bills either!

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/congress-headed-showdown-over-ukraine-israel-funds-massie-and-greene-say-no-all)

 ::clapping::

And I have no problem per se in not providing aid to Israel as long as there is no hindrance on them buying (even on credit) needed material they may need...

There was an interesting announcement from the CIA recently maybe one week ago. They said they had trained the Ukr SBU but suddenly distanced themselves from the SBU assassinations. I  don't believe the latter but ...
Why and why now?

They have been assassinating people like mayors in the occupied/liberated areas for a long time. If you are a teacher or even voted in a referendum in those areas you are a  "collaborator" but not worth a car bomb. Maybe a bullet later.

Also, Kiev attacked some nuke storage plant a few days ago.

Yeah, kinda canndy-assed to me, why deny your training produced results, it's a resume enhancer you can tout to the next client...it's not like they are fooling anybody by trying to run away from it or act like it didn't happen...seems the CIA is run by a bunch of morons with the IQ of a parking lot puddle...  So sad, no pride...

https://youtu.be/7jVsQToSfag (https://youtu.be/7jVsQToSfag)

PS-Still waiting for my ZF1
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 01, 2023, 09:16:49 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-defense-chief-says-public-must-get-used-possibility-war-europe (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/german-defense-chief-says-public-must-get-used-possibility-war-europe)

Pistorious is not wrong...between Ukraine, NATO and being up to their gills in military age Islamic invaders...Europeans will be at war one way or another or perhaps even in multiple ways...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 01, 2023, 11:12:06 AM

Time does negative article on Zelensky based on talking to his people I believe.

https://time.com/6329188/ukraine-volodymyr-zelensky-interview/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2023, 08:31:41 AM
Time loves tyrants...so odd...

See this?

First Uke admission the great counter-offensive netted not a damn thing...unless you count dead, wounded and expense on both sides...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-top-commander-makes-surprising-first-time-admission (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-top-commander-makes-surprising-first-time-admission)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 03, 2023, 09:53:43 AM
I don't pay attention to short term war news for the moss part. Here is what I have read.

Russians take 1 month to conquer slag heap.
Europeans worry that Russia be be at the English channel in months.

Europeans worry they are next for Russian aggression.
Europeans give away all their weapons and ammo.

Troops on offense take much higher casualties than those on defense.
Kiev forces go on offense all summer against prepared Russian defenses.

Recently Russian forces went on offense again and took huge losses in armor in a short period.

Also, TIME along with NYT is a well known CIA mouthpiece.  Why did they throw Ze under the bus and why now?
Pres Zelensky, prepare to meet pres. Diem.








Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2023, 11:19:54 AM
You forgot...

Macgregor touching himself with rapturous glee

 ::hysterical::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 03, 2023, 12:15:49 PM
And this silly Quim...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/russias-dmitri-medvedev-warns-poland-against-support-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/russias-dmitri-medvedev-warns-poland-against-support-ukraine/)

...if shooting his mouth off at Poland is meant to get get the Poles to embrace NATO even more, then he is successful...which is both illustrative and concerning regarding this clowns geopolitical desires...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 03, 2023, 02:26:10 PM
And this silly Quim...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/russias-dmitri-medvedev-warns-poland-against-support-ukraine/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/russias-dmitri-medvedev-warns-poland-against-support-ukraine/)

...if shooting his mouth off at Poland is meant to get get the Poles to embrace NATO even more, then he is successful...which is both illustrative and concerning regarding this clowns geopolitical desires...

Yeah. Strange.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2023, 08:34:20 AM
Maybe he is upset the big finale is possibly being postponed...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/11/04/the-meatgrinder-report-u-s-and-eu-officials-gently-discussing-need-for-ukraine-to-enter-peace-negotiations-with-russia/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 06, 2023, 11:40:11 AM
I continue to notice that what the people want in each region of Ukraine is never discussed.
When Gaza or West Bank or Israel proper is discussed mass slaughter is not called for a human beings are discussed as it they matter.
I have never heard human beings discussed in Ukraine. Only "territorial integrity" and "harming Russia" and "not rewarding Putin."

Slaughtering or driving out all the people from Kosovo is not called for. US ret gen Ben Hodges called for killing or driving out all the Russians in Crimea. They have been there hundreds of years, along with Tatars. Maybe 15% ID as Ukrainians.

I see headlines and summaries. Apparently WWIII borrowed from WWI. Russians tunneled under some Ukr positions in the area being fought over. They placed explosives. People from the Donbass are often coal miners. I recall some hill in WWI where Germans were blown to pieces. Many of those explosives still exist. Lighting hit a telephone pole in recent history and set one batch off.

Also there was a recent gathering/party/celebration of Ukr artillery people. Maybe lots of cell phones detected in one place. One  missile strike. 40 officers dead and 50 people wounded according to headlines. Ukr people are mad at whoever came up with that idea.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 06, 2023, 12:13:23 PM
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2023, 01:08:19 PM
I continue to notice that what the people want in each region of Ukraine is never discussed.
When Gaza or West Bank or Israel proper is discussed mass slaughter is not called for a human beings are discussed as it they matter.
I have never heard human beings discussed in Ukraine. Only "territorial integrity" and "harming Russia" and "not rewarding Putin."

Slaughtering or driving out all the people from Kosovo is not called for. US ret gen Ben Hodges called for killing or driving out all the Russians in Crimea. They have been there hundreds of years, along with Tatars. Maybe 15% ID as Ukrainians.

I see headlines and summaries. Apparently WWIII borrowed from WWI. Russians tunneled under some Ukr positions in the area being fought over. They placed explosives. People from the Donbass are often coal miners. I recall some hill in WWI where Germans were blown to pieces. Many of those explosives still exist. Lighting hit a telephone pole in recent history and set one batch off.

Also there was a recent gathering/party/celebration of Ukr artillery people. Maybe lots of cell phones detected in one place. One  missile strike. 40 officers dead and 50 people wounded according to headlines. Ukr people are mad at whoever came up with that idea.

So is that the magic number for capitulation?  If we act now to expel every illegal invader of America we can get under the magic number and not have said removal deemed bad?  Or are we bound and gagged until then to make it a fait accompli?  Are you ready to submit to the invaders like ignorant leftist whites submitted to BLM genocidal terrorists?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 06, 2023, 01:52:59 PM
Meanwhile...

The skies are not happy with the bloodshed...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/under-blood-red-sky-geomagnetic-storm-causes-intense/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/under-blood-red-sky-geomagnetic-storm-causes-intense/)

...or maybe the skies are...who knows?

And this is sure to go over like a heavy fart in a closed room...

https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19738.new.html#new (https://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php/topic,19738.new.html#new)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 09, 2023, 06:54:22 PM
I missed the northern lights as Mpls was clouded over.

https://americafirstreport.com/is-joe-biden-planning-to-bring-back-the-draft/ (https://americafirstreport.com/is-joe-biden-planning-to-bring-back-the-draft/)

Such a stupid move is sure to kick of a level of angst the corrupt totalitarians will regret...

Way beyond stupid. This generation will not go for it nor will their parents.
Legacy military families are telling their kids not to join.
Die for what? Ukr NAZIs? Israelis?
Plus the advertising for armed forces used to be macho. Now? Die for the Pride flag?

"Fight them over there so we do not have to fight them over here" used to sound stupid, now downright moronic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 09, 2023, 07:42:23 PM
I continue to notice that what the people want in each region of Ukraine is never discussed.
When Gaza or West Bank or Israel proper is discussed mass slaughter is not called for a human beings are discussed as it they matter.
I have never heard human beings discussed in Ukraine. Only "territorial integrity" and "harming Russia" and "not rewarding Putin."

Slaughtering or driving out all the people from Kosovo is not called for. US ret gen Ben Hodges called for killing or driving out all the Russians in Crimea. They have been there hundreds of years, along with Tatars. Maybe 15% ID as Ukrainians.

I see headlines and summaries. Apparently WWIII borrowed from WWI. Russians tunneled under some Ukr positions in the area being fought over. They placed explosives. People from the Donbass are often coal miners. I recall some hill in WWI where Germans were blown to pieces. Many of those explosives still exist. Lighting hit a telephone pole in recent history and set one batch off.

Also there was a recent gathering/party/celebration of Ukr artillery people. Maybe lots of cell phones detected in one place. One  missile strike. 40 officers dead and 50 people wounded according to headlines. Ukr people are mad at whoever came up with that idea.

So is that the magic number for capitulation?  If we act now to expel every illegal invader of America we can get under the magic number and not have said removal deemed bad?  Or are we bound and gagged until then to make it a fait accompli?  Are you ready to submit to the invaders like ignorant leftist whites submitted to BLM genocidal terrorists?

I don't think that Europeans should be driven out of North America. Is that the magic number for capitulation? When do you leave plan to leave North America?  The idea that there is a country called Ukraine filled with Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian invaded by Russians hundreds of years ago is just wrong and moronic. You can study up on it if you want.

I do not know who was in the areas around Kiev, Kharkhov, and Crimea when Rus people moved in. I doubt the population density was that high as it was pre-industrial. What was the  pop density on native Americans in MN before Europeans moved in?   I know Crimea had Tatars and maybe Turks along with Russians. Some of the Russian coastal cities had been Greek like Mariupol.

I saw some earlier ethno map, maybe around 1900? Like a contour map. Poles around Lvov. Ukr around Kiev. Russians around Kharkov.

I think I posted some USAID 2013  poll in Crimea. 15% IDed as Ukrainian. The rest Russian, Crimean, or Crimean Tatar. Fell free to believe they are all Ukrainians.


From another post
Russians invaded Crimea when they kicked out the Ottoman Turks as I recall. That was before the US was a country. Sevastopol had been home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet since then. Russian naval ships had been there before USN ships in San Diego or Pearl Harbor. I recall Russia lost Crimea to the western armies and Turks around 1856 but regained it later. US/NATO wanted Crimea as another NATO naval base and are butt hurt about that not happening.

Some people believe what they are told and think that Russia 'invaded' Crimea in 2014 and are 'occupying' it now. I heard the death toll from the 'invasion' was from 0 to 4. That is less than a Memorial Day traffic toll for many US states. Didn't the invaders at least have traffic accidents? Hint: maybe there was no invasion. Maybe the Russian military had been there for a long time.

I am no expert on the ethnography of central Asia or the Russian Empire. News flash: there were Russians in the Russian empire. Also Ukrainians. Lenin drew lines on a map in the 1920s and labelled it Ukraine to include the Russians and Ukrainians and others. The Donbass was heavily Russian and the area around Kiev heavily Ukrainian. Much intermarriage. Ever hear people call Ukraine "the Ukraine"? That is because Ukraine means border or borderland. Border of what? The Russian empire. It was the western border of the Russian empire and appears labelled as that on a few older maps but not most that I have seen.

The USSR was big on industrialization and built up the Donbass (Eastern Ukraine) with industry. The percent of Russians there dropped some as Ukrainians moved in for economic opportunity. So you could say that the USSR 'seeded' the Donbass with Ukrainians.

Stalin deported lots of Tatars from Crimea and replaced them with mostly Russians but some Ukrainians. So USSR 'seeded' Crimea with more Russians and some Ukrainians.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2023, 08:39:27 AM
I missed the northern lights as Mpls was clouded over.

https://americafirstreport.com/is-joe-biden-planning-to-bring-back-the-draft/ (https://americafirstreport.com/is-joe-biden-planning-to-bring-back-the-draft/)

Such a stupid move is sure to kick of a level of angst the corrupt totalitarians will regret...

Way beyond stupid. This generation will not go for it nor will their parents.
Legacy military families are telling their kids not to join.
Die for what? Ukr NAZIs? Israelis?
Plus the advertising for armed forces used to be macho. Now? Die for the Pride flag?

"Fight them over there so we do not have to fight them over here" used to sound stupid, now downright moronic.

Some good news...the spigot runneth out...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/pentagon-starting-restrict-flow-military-aid-ukraine-money-runs-out)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 10, 2023, 08:53:16 AM
I continue to notice that what the people want in each region of Ukraine is never discussed.
When Gaza or West Bank or Israel proper is discussed mass slaughter is not called for a human beings are discussed as it they matter.
I have never heard human beings discussed in Ukraine. Only "territorial integrity" and "harming Russia" and "not rewarding Putin."

Slaughtering or driving out all the people from Kosovo is not called for. US ret gen Ben Hodges called for killing or driving out all the Russians in Crimea. They have been there hundreds of years, along with Tatars. Maybe 15% ID as Ukrainians.

I see headlines and summaries. Apparently WWIII borrowed from WWI. Russians tunneled under some Ukr positions in the area being fought over. They placed explosives. People from the Donbass are often coal miners. I recall some hill in WWI where Germans were blown to pieces. Many of those explosives still exist. Lighting hit a telephone pole in recent history and set one batch off.

Also there was a recent gathering/party/celebration of Ukr artillery people. Maybe lots of cell phones detected in one place. One  missile strike. 40 officers dead and 50 people wounded according to headlines. Ukr people are mad at whoever came up with that idea.

So is that the magic number for capitulation?  If we act now to expel every illegal invader of America we can get under the magic number and not have said removal deemed bad?  Or are we bound and gagged until then to make it a fait accompli?  Are you ready to submit to the invaders like ignorant leftist whites submitted to BLM genocidal terrorists?

I don't think that Europeans should be driven out of North America. Is that the magic number for capitulation? When do you leave plan to leave North America?  The idea that there is a country called Ukraine filled with Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian invaded by Russians hundreds of years ago is just wrong and moronic. You can study up on it if you want.

I do not know who was in the areas around Kiev, Kharkhov, and Crimea when Rus people moved in. I doubt the population density was that high as it was pre-industrial. What was the  pop density on native Americans in MN before Europeans moved in?   I know Crimea had Tatars and maybe Turks along with Russians. Some of the Russian coastal cities had been Greek like Mariupol.

I saw some earlier ethno map, maybe around 1900? Like a contour map. Poles around Lvov. Ukr around Kiev. Russians around Kharkov.

I think I posted some USAID 2013  poll in Crimea. 15% IDed as Ukrainian. The rest Russian, Crimean, or Crimean Tatar. Fell free to believe they are all Ukrainians.


From another post
Russians invaded Crimea when they kicked out the Ottoman Turks as I recall. That was before the US was a country. Sevastopol had been home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet since then. Russian naval ships had been there before USN ships in San Diego or Pearl Harbor. I recall Russia lost Crimea to the western armies and Turks around 1856 but regained it later. US/NATO wanted Crimea as another NATO naval base and are butt hurt about that not happening.

Some people believe what they are told and think that Russia 'invaded' Crimea in 2014 and are 'occupying' it now. I heard the death toll from the 'invasion' was from 0 to 4. That is less than a Memorial Day traffic toll for many US states. Didn't the invaders at least have traffic accidents? Hint: maybe there was no invasion. Maybe the Russian military had been there for a long time.

I am no expert on the ethnography of central Asia or the Russian Empire. News flash: there were Russians in the Russian empire. Also Ukrainians. Lenin drew lines on a map in the 1920s and labelled it Ukraine to include the Russians and Ukrainians and others. The Donbass was heavily Russian and the area around Kiev heavily Ukrainian. Much intermarriage. Ever hear people call Ukraine "the Ukraine"? That is because Ukraine means border or borderland. Border of what? The Russian empire. It was the western border of the Russian empire and appears labelled as that on a few older maps but not most that I have seen.

The USSR was big on industrialization and built up the Donbass (Eastern Ukraine) with industry. The percent of Russians there dropped some as Ukrainians moved in for economic opportunity. So you could say that the USSR 'seeded' the Donbass with Ukrainians.

Stalin deported lots of Tatars from Crimea and replaced them with mostly Russians but some Ukrainians. So USSR 'seeded' Crimea with more Russians and some Ukrainians.

You forgot something...the so-called "indigenous" from Asia who skittered across the Siberian Land Bridge does not explain the presence of European DNA in these so-called first peoples...the Solutrean evidence however does...so, it's all non-Europeans who are the squaters/invaders...

As for Ukraine and Russia, getting beyond a Russocentric history that perpetuates a false assertion of Slavic dominance is not supported by linguistic formation...everything I've seen supports a concurrent (aka "equal" "same time") linguistic development -

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Slavic_languages_tree.svg/800px-Slavic_languages_tree.svg.png)

(https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322981058/figure/fig2/AS:591378379730944@1518007001152/the-traditional-Slavic-family-tree-Unrooted-representation-based-on-Schenker-1995.png)

These people speaking Ukrainian originated somewhere, where?  Show me where that is and we'll kick any squatters out...problem solved.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 10, 2023, 01:17:15 PM
garland nixon is too long winded but often good. here title is worth the read.  ::laughonfloor::

https://youtu.be/CI3SmIPlPIQ
THE SAMSONITE OPTION - NEOCONS PREPARE TO FLEE UKRAINE
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 11, 2023, 07:20:16 PM
The most recent pro Russian propaganda of the Ukr piglet. More involved than most. Detailed. About the recent israel/Hamas dust up.
The creator made a score card with all the national animals.

Here is the score card.
https://t.me/svinkavobmoroke/442

Here is the animation.
https://t.me/svinkavobmoroke/447
The white cat is armenian and the other horned animal is azeri with the tall cat being turkey.

Greek dolphin and turkish cat are fighting over cyprus dove.

The israeli tortoise hits at the the palistinian sunbird but hits the nest.

North korean dragon acts as intermediate to give chinese panda shells to russian bear and roars at south korean tiger cub. Also seen is belarus bull, polish white eagle, and lebanese striped hyena. Lion is Syria.
I think the sledge hammer bear is wagner.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 14, 2023, 12:19:23 PM
Not getting the fun with animals link to Ukraine but whatever...

More importantly, bet many don't know that the Ukrainian Chief of Staff Andrey Yermak is actually calling the shots...or that Commander in Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny is an honest man...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/ukrainian-lawmaker-is-charged-treason-spreading-misinformation-what/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/ukrainian-lawmaker-is-charged-treason-spreading-misinformation-what/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 14, 2023, 07:55:34 PM
Not getting the fun with animals link to Ukraine but whatever...

More importantly, bet many don't know that the Ukrainian Chief of Staff Andrey Yermak is actually calling the shots...or that Commander in Chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces Valery Zaluzhny is an honest man...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/ukrainian-lawmaker-is-charged-treason-spreading-misinformation-what/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/ukrainian-lawmaker-is-charged-treason-spreading-misinformation-what/)

There is a long running pro RU channel featuring an animated Ukr piglet. this one is more complicated involving the recent US favoring Israel from Ukraine. Clever.

I don't keep up on the Ukr govt soap opera and don't believe anything I read. When Ze blames the military I scoff. He could be right but .....
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on November 15, 2023, 01:08:13 PM
https://braveneweurope.com/michael-von-der-schulenburg-hajo-funke-harald-kujat-peace-for-ukraine

The disastrous derailment of early peace efforts to end the war in Ukraine

HOW THE CHANCE WAS LOST FOR A PEACE SETTLEMENT OF THE UKRAINE WAR
AND THE WEST WANTED TO CONTINUE THE WAR INSTEAD

A detailed reconstruction of events in March 2022

Michael von der Schulenburg is a former UN Assistant Secretary-General, who worked for over 34 years for the United Nations, and shortly for the OSCE, in many countries in war or internal armed conflicts often involving fragile governments and armed non-state actors

Hajo Funke is Professor Emeritus for political sciences of the Otto-Suhr-Institute/ Freie University Berlin

General (ret.) Harald Kujat was the highest ranging German officer of the Bundeswehr and at NATO

This is a detailed reconstruction of the Ukrainian-Russian peace negotiations in March 2022 and the associated mediation attempts by the then Israeli Prime Minister, Naftali Bennett, supported by President Erdogan and former German Chancellor Schröder. It was drawn up by retired General H. Kujat and Professor Emeritus H. Funke, two of the initiators of the recently presented peace plan for Ukraine.

And it is also in connection with their peace plan that this reconstruction is so extremely important. It reminds us that we cannot afford to delay ceasefire and peace negotiations again. The human and military situation in Ukraine deteriorates dramatically, with the added danger that it could lead to a further escalation of the war. We need a diplomatic solution to this cruel war for Europe and the Ukraine – and we need it now!

From the detailed reconstruction of the March peace efforts 6 conclusions emerge:

1. Just one month after the start of the Russian military intervention in Ukraine, Ukrainian and Russian negotiators had come very close to an agreement for a ceasefire and to an outline for a comprehensive peace solution to the conflict.

2) In contrast to today, President Zelensky and his government had made great efforts to negotiate peace with Russia and bring the war to a quick end.

3) Contrary to Western interpretations, Ukraine and Russia agreed at the time that the planned NATO expansion was the reason for the war. They therefore focused their peace negotiations on Ukraine’s neutrality and its renunciation of NATO membership. In return, Ukraine would have retained its territorial integrity except for Crimea.

4) There is little doubt that these peace negotiations failed due to resistance from NATO and in particular from the USA and the UK. The reasons is that such a peace agreement would have been tantamount to a defeat for NATO, an end to NATO’s eastward expansion and thus an end to the dream of a unipolar world dominated by the USA.


5. The failure of the peace negotiations in March 2022 led to dangerous intensification of the war that has cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of people, especially young people, deeply traumatized a young generation and inflicted the most severe mental and physical wounds on them. Ukraine has been exposed to enormous destruction, internal displacements, and mass impoverishment. This si accompanied by a large-scale depopulation of the country. Not only Russia, but also NATO and the West bear a heavy share of the blame for this disaster.

6) Ukraine’s negotiating position today is far worse than it was in March 2022. Ukraine will now lose large parts of its territory.

7. The blocking of the peace negotiations at that time has harmed everyone: Russia and Europe – but above all the people of Ukraine, who are paying with their blood the price for the ambitions of the major powers and will probably get nothing in return.
...
[this article is discussed by the Duran and the failed agreement by Larry Johnson, former US CIA who used to brief Pres. Reagan daily. He cites Ukraine Pravda for some support. ]
https://youtu.be/D1ArmHK20ic?t=1036
REPORT finds Russia, Ukraine wanted peace. US, UK, Germany pushed war

https://youtu.be/3_yqVKgVuj0?t=445
Ex-CIA: Ukraine Makes HUGE MISTAKE!
He describes current Ukr situation then gives history at 8 min in.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 15, 2023, 01:50:47 PM
So if the American election wasn't rife with fraud and corruption...???
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 20, 2023, 04:12:42 PM
Two to dance with Z-man...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cias-burns-secdef-austin-separate-urgent-trips-ukraine-war-effort-implodes (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cias-burns-secdef-austin-separate-urgent-trips-ukraine-war-effort-implodes)

...pouty little man probably also running low on blow...

...and I don't see either idiot telling him to listen to his military commander...just snort more fairy dust and hugs and happy happy thoughts...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 21, 2023, 08:55:20 AM
Czar Vlad & Medvedev seem to be blowing the Slavic King horn yet again, say acquiring Kyiv into the Neo-Russian Empire is in play...

Whatever, just means to wider conflict is game-on even more...  BFD...

On that wider conflict...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finnish-military-bolsters-border-wall-after-charging-russia-weaponizing-migrants (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/finnish-military-bolsters-border-wall-after-charging-russia-weaponizing-migrants)

Interesting how the Finns can build a wall on their border to prevent being invaded...as is Russia's blunt warning they'll nuclearize the Baltic if NATO doesn't come to heel...

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2023, 10:02:46 AM
IMO the most idiotic sanctions are those that hurt the dollar the most which are often the ones that are also the most easily evaded...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uae-enforces-stricter-rules-russian-firms-clamp-down-sanctions-evasion (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/uae-enforces-stricter-rules-russian-firms-clamp-down-sanctions-evasion)

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/greek-tankers-stop-transporting-russian-oil-us-starts-enforcing-moscow-sanctions (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/greek-tankers-stop-transporting-russian-oil-us-starts-enforcing-moscow-sanctions)

Direct action, which for the most part The Kenyan's puppet FJB avoids (except Nordstream) and even then pins on others in typical gutless fashion like it fools somebody (but nobody intelligent) is much more effective than this peripheral nonsense...the serious would be into blockades and embargoes backed by force.

And using the Uke to attack Turkstream seems to be picking up...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-getting-record-amounts-russian-gas-through-turkstream-so-who-keeps-trying-blow (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/europe-getting-record-amounts-russian-gas-through-turkstream-so-who-keeps-trying-blow)

...and while admissions keep rolling in that the war effort in Ukraine is all but over...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/peter-van-buren-ukraine-war-just-about-over (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/peter-van-buren-ukraine-war-just-about-over)

...the rabid globalists cannot let go, and IMO the energy sector is going to provide the next and larger war expansion...

...meanwhile Russia continues to bombard Ukraine...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-launches-single-largest-drone-attack-ukraine-war-saturday (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/russia-launches-single-largest-drone-attack-ukraine-war-saturday)

...and nobody seems eager to talk peace anyway, so...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 27, 2023, 01:03:01 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/siege-avdiivka-watch-russian-tank-forces-kievs-troops/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/siege-avdiivka-watch-russian-tank-forces-kievs-troops/)

Not going well for the Uke's in Avdiivka...and the video seems to confirm the use of cluster munitions by Russia...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2023, 08:48:49 AM
The wider war front...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-inching-closer-more-insanity-baltic-sea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/west-inching-closer-more-insanity-baltic-sea)

Childish emphasis on the this...Black Sea is Russian, Baltic is Russian...here's your binky, suck and be happy...

But, whatever...deploying the Satan 2's is helping...   ::)

The entire world is led by lunatics and idiots...it's literally all they have in common...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on November 30, 2023, 08:36:25 AM
Blinken is lying while Ukrainians around Avdiivka bleed out and Russia loads up more Persian missiles for the next barrage...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-no-fatigue-among-nato-supporting-ukraine-russia-amasses-missiles-ahead (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-no-fatigue-among-nato-supporting-ukraine-russia-amasses-missiles-ahead)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2023, 09:28:07 AM
I might be one of the few not surprised by both sides lies...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russian-ukrainian-air-defense-kill-rates-not-credible (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/russian-ukrainian-air-defense-kill-rates-not-credible)

...such is war...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2023, 02:07:58 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/time-say-good-bye-volodymyr-ukrainians-sick-war/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/time-say-good-bye-volodymyr-ukrainians-sick-war/)

Ukrainian's would be better served by a rational man than an idiot...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 05, 2023, 11:32:42 AM
Blinken is lying while Ukrainians around Avdiivka bleed out and Russia loads up more Persian missiles for the next barrage...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-no-fatigue-among-nato-supporting-ukraine-russia-amasses-missiles-ahead (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/blinken-says-no-fatigue-among-nato-supporting-ukraine-russia-amasses-missiles-ahead)
Quote
Western officials are making escalatory statements and are again floating the idea of closing the “NATO lake” to Russian ships, which would likely be viewed by Moscow as an act of war.

Geez. I know if there is a war that the US might do X. Why not STFU about it?
I recall the last time the Finns and Germany blockaded Leningrad, 1 million people starved to death. The Russians have not forgotten about it.

The Black Sea? NATO warships in the Black Sea vs Russian missiles?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2023, 01:26:43 PM
Hey, everybody has their own lake, all is well...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 06, 2023, 12:48:09 PM
SecDef Austin threatens to ignore the Constitution and deploy US military to Ukraine if more funding for this losing effort is not passed by Congress...all based on a fraudulent premise!!!

https://amgreatness.com/2023/12/06/lloyd-austin-threatens-to-deploy-troops-if-ukraine-aid-is-shut-down/

It's beyond frustrating and vexing that folks are not calling this jackass out!!!

He has ZERO authority to deploy squat into a war zone. 

His premise is total bullsh*t!    Why?  Because of what he/they/them are not saying but which they defiantly cling to - NO NEGOTIATIONS WITH RUSSIA!

Everyone should tell this POS to FO and demand negotiations commence IMMEDIATELY!

Ukraine is losing and will continue to lose because they've all but depleted their people...no amount of money or weapons or ammunition is going to change the facts on the ground...and Austin and they/them can only expand the conflict up to and including WWIII rather than see any peaceful end to the carnage.

Their position is completely insane and bloodthirsty.

Without negotiations there isn't even a chance to see if a negotiated peace is possible...making ever increasing carnage only more certain.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 06, 2023, 02:59:49 PM
Went to the Breitbart link. No direct quote from Austin. This is not a criticism of the post BTW.

Austin is a POS who is trying to raise more money for Raytheon before he returns. Putin wants the Baltics as much as he wants a case of herpes. See also Moldova and Georgia. If the US goads an attack on Transnistria or South Ossetia or a blockade of Kaliningrad   I could see problems. US Marines trained Georgia troops and they attacked south Ossetia and Russia counter attacked and the Georgia govt was punished by voters.

The Baltics are an example how feminized govts do stupid things. They got to be in the spotlight recently and feel real important.

Here is a positive thing from Georgia. Pretty girls, good music, and dancing. A mashup from two movies set to music.
https://youtu.be/FS-siemT6eQ (https://youtu.be/FS-siemT6eQ)

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/05/report-defense-secretary-warned-congress-u-s-troops-could-be-deployed-if-ukraine-aid-is-not-sent/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/12/05/report-defense-secretary-warned-congress-u-s-troops-could-be-deployed-if-ukraine-aid-is-not-sent/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 07, 2023, 09:02:43 AM
Haven't seen McCaul back-peddle on what was said...

PS - The Kenyan's puppet pretty much confirms it too -

If Putin attacks a NATO Ally — if he keeps going and then he attacks a NATO Ally — well, we’ve committed as a NATO member that we’d defend every inch of NATO territory.  Then we’ll have something that we don’t seek and that we don’t have today: American troops fighting Russian troops — American troops fighting Russian troops if he moves into other parts of NATO.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/06/biden-threatens-direct-u-s-troop-fights-against-russia-if-congress-doesnt-fund-ukraine/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/12/06/biden-threatens-direct-u-s-troop-fights-against-russia-if-congress-doesnt-fund-ukraine/)

And, Sundance not surprisingly agrees with me that The premise is nonsense.

Anyway, Ukraine is all but toast...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-will-pay-his-mistakes-says-kiev-mayor-vitali-klitschko (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-will-pay-his-mistakes-says-kiev-mayor-vitali-klitschko)

They better give Z the boot and pivot to Klitschko or Zaluzhny if they want to survive in any configuration of a state...

As for the Baltics, the Rus can go eff themselves...they have the Black Sea, Baltics are European...stay in your own lake!

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 08, 2023, 01:02:56 PM
This is just wonderful...

I warned about the claims to get Uke's up to Western military standards...that was the easiest to call BS on IMO...

That and the lack of any credible air defense...

And their assault goals were far from realistic...

And did I not also call the Rus tactical retreat a sucker ploy the Uke's & propagandists swallowed whole?

I guess all those 155mm shells should have never been sent because it appears it hardly made a difference for several reasons...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/dissecting-washington-posts-analysis-ukraines-failed-counter-offensive/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/dissecting-washington-posts-analysis-ukraines-failed-counter-offensive/)

And in the next link the overkill minefields and mud rendered any use of clearing and armor pointless and the employment of drones, tripwires, booby-raps and aforementioned mines made infantry operations a meat-grinder.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/dissecting-washington-posts-analysis-ukraines-failed-counter-offensive-2/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/dissecting-washington-posts-analysis-ukraines-failed-counter-offensive-2/)

And morons want to send more hundreds of billions into this sh*tshow...

Insane.

What should happen is a mirror of what the Rus did - fortify and protect what you have with a series of lateral and concentric defenses and get asses at the negotiation table to end this sh*t!  Anything else is bloodlust for WWII.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 09, 2023, 02:33:53 PM
Soros wrote in 1993 a proposal. Use eastern European troops with western tech to reduce a large number of NATO body bags. Going according to plan. Too cold blooded for my tastes.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 09, 2023, 06:05:43 PM

Good newer book kinda related to the Ukraine war. The title refers to something broader than the Ukraine War. "Why the West Can't Win", by Dr. Fadi Lama. SmoothieX12 interviews him twice on youtube.
I finished the book. The finance stuff is over my head.

In short, the "Money Powers" have been taking control of western countries for a very long time. Then using those countries and other proxies into fighting wars on their behalf. E.r. Remember the saying "All wars are bankers wars." US two time medal of honor winner Smedley Butler said he was just muscle for Wall Street.

The author learned that there is a very high correlation between energy use and standard of living.

The west has been using the world finance system to extract wealth from less developed countries. I do not understand this stuff. See Prof. Michael Hudson for all the details on this.

Countries like Russia, Iran, and China have been taking steps to opt out of the western finance system. Russia, Iran, and Venezuela have huge fossil fuel reserves and are no longer under control of the west.

Hedge funds control most of the western MSM and can also take over corporations. In the past the MSM and govts could be counted on to create a virtual reality which did change reality. E.g. The US and EU energy sources are declining and based on virtual realaity.

The trends for the west are headed downward while those for Russia, Iran, and China are headed upward, Many countries in the global south are starting to keep more of the wealth they create.

The US weapons development has a very poor track record lately.

https://youtu.be/7ANJPdkJAZQ
https://youtu.be/fBX6RaN3JOU
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 11, 2023, 11:59:04 AM
Everything all sides are doping will ensure greater conflict, not peace.

Pretty sure I am done GAFF.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 12, 2023, 03:54:06 PM
I do not go out of my way to find some stuff but just come across it. From misc history posts and some social media I get the  impression that people in EU and especially central and western Ukraine and some of Poland really are raised to hate Russians. Some pretend it started on Feb 24, 2022 but it goes way back often as hatred of "the other."

In 1915 Lvov people were hung from the nearest tree for speaking Russian. Later sent en mass to a concentration camp in Austria. I read it goes back further than that. EU people portrayed Peter the Great as an ape when he opened to door to EU. I came across some history where it goes back to the 11th century in the split in Christendom between the catholic church and the eastern orthodox church.

I saw a post by the official Ukr eng language spokesperson "Sarah" (trans) where she said that Ukr were Europeans and Russians were Mongols who needed to be led. I'll be she heard that as accepted wisdom.

IMO these Ukr people really drank the NAZI cool-aid. That does not put food or money on the table. Not much upside.

I saw some headline to the effect but did not understand the details of the Ukr law below.  It may shock some people but there were Russians in the Russian empire. Also Ukrainians, Hungarians, and may others.  Eastern Ukraine (the Donbass) was full of Russians.

What is the upside to this law?

https://archive.is/GxVuI

...
“We would never have done anything like [the special military operation] if they had not started to destroy Russia in our historical territories, expel people from there, declared Russians a non-indigenous ethnic group in Ukraine. Have they gone completely crazy? Are they completely – how can I put it more bluntly – nuts?” Putin told the medal recipients.

The president was apparently referring to Ukraine’s Law On Indigenous Peoples, adopted in 2021. The legislation recognized only three ethnic groups – Crimean Tatars, Crimean Karaites and Krymchaks (Crimean Jews) – as the country’s indigenous peoples.

The legislation denied indigenous designations to Russians, which amounted to at least one fifth of Ukraine’s population, according to various estimates, and to other minorities, such as the ethnic Hungarians and Belarusians who reside in the country’s west and north, respectively. Moreover, all three ethnic groups recognized by the ‘indigenous peoples’ law predominantly live in Crimea, which split from Ukraine in 2014 and joined Russia after a peninsula-wide referendum.
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2023, 08:57:43 AM
Again, not going to belabor this...people conquered by others...populating new lands with new people and calling it "historical" presence...well, sure Nazis had a "historical" presence in Russia in WWII, too bad they didn't leave squatters to lock-in that "historical" presence, eh?

I find it incredulous when people find it difficult to understand when conquered people bristle at being dominated in the slightest by the same people...

I guess the lesson is obvious...genocide, if no one is left to bitch about it there isn't a problem, eh?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2023, 09:05:39 AM
In other news...an obvious conclusion...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-would-happen-if-us-stopped-supporting-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-would-happen-if-us-stopped-supporting-ukraine)

Of course they'd be forced to negotiate...   ::)

There is a second option but I don't see it happening nor would I recommend it - surrender and pleading with Putin to be merciful.

Yet the childish and moronic leadership back here insists that of Republicans refuse to be puppet Biden's bitch and cough up endless funds for Ukraine then Russia wins...

Umm, they already have won, dipsh*ts!  Ukraine is spent in human and material resources, their offensive is a massive failure that saw a small net gain in territorial shift to Russia and throwing more money at a lost cause to an all but depleted Ukrainian army is a waste of time, money and blood.

The only sane and humane thing to do is to negotiate, period.

And if Western idiots want to put their boots on that ground, leave America the frack out of it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2023, 07:17:50 PM


Again, not going to belabor this...people conquered by others...populating new lands with new people and calling it "historical" presence...well, sure Nazis had a "historical" presence in Russia in WWII, too bad they didn't leave squatters to lock-in that "historical" presence, eh?

I find it incredulous when people find it difficult to understand when conquered people bristle at being dominated in the slightest by the same people...

I guess the lesson is obvious...genocide, if no one is left to bitch about it there isn't a problem, eh?

Who was conquered, say in the Donbass? What group was conquered, when, and by what group?

It helps to provide dates as you did above. Germans invaded Russia the last time in WWII. I think that Russia (Peter the Great?) imported lots of German farmers to maybe Volgograd to teach Russians better farming techniques. They had limited self government and spoke German. They got kicked out after some war with Germany.

It helps to know some history. When did the ethnic Russians some to the area of Kharkhov and Crimea? What group was there before? How about Tatars? Hungarians? When did the ethnic Ukrainians come to the area of Kiev? How about the Poles and Ukrainians to Lvov? Maybe Lvov had Polish landlords and Ukrainian serfs. The answer may be that those groups were there for a long time, hundreds of years, and govts drew map lines around them. It did not much matter which part of the Russian empire you were from even after Lenin drew lines to create Ukraine SSR. . Trouble comes when some group decides the whole place belongs to them often because of some mythology.

In Balkan Ghosts, Kaplan said that for every hectare in the Balkans there are 3 or 4 groups who once ruled there and some think they should again.

People with no knowledge of history think there was a country called Ukraine where people spoke Ukrainian and the place was invaded by Russians. That is very ignorant and very wrong. Lenin drew lines on a map and named the SSR Ukraine as Ukraine means border or borderland as it was the border land of the Russian empire. Some maps labelled the border region Ukraine. Ukr NAZI infused militants drank the NAZI cool aid and decided that since the SSR, then country, was named Ukraine that only Ukrainians belonged there.  I heard different statistics but one was that 37% of people in Ukraine IDed as Russian before the coup. I recall another was only 20%. Donbass was mostly Russian with some ukr migrating in for industrial jobs.

I do not know who was in Kharkov before ethnic Russians came or near Kiev when Ukrainians came etc. Preindustrial societies often do not support high population densities. So maybe not many people. I do not think that eastern Ukraine was filled with ethnic Ukrainians. It does not help that such people had no standardized language and were mostly illiterate, save some priests.   Russians have been in Sevastopol with the Russian black sea fleet  since before the US was a country. Maybe they kicked Turks out. Stalin deported some Tatars from Crimea and imported some more Russians and some Ukrainians.

I heard a woman talk in Chicago on youtube. She was born in the Ukraine SSR then grew up after the USSR fell. I do not know the exact years. She said they used the same science and math books every year but the history books were re-written every year and replaced.

I hear the words that come out of the mouths of various groups on social media, especially videos. The Russians call the Ukr brother Slavs and think they went crazy. The Ukr militants think they are almost a different race and are not afraid to say so. They say they want to drive the subhuman Russians (civilians) out of Donbass. I think many raise their kids from birth to hate Russians and have for a long time. I learned that people were hung from trees in Lvov 1915-18 for speaking Russian.  I heard someone say they went to a Russian city maybe Moscow and everyone in the room had at least one Ukr grandparent. That NAZI cool aid and racial mythology is bad for everyone.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 13, 2023, 07:23:44 PM

Around 3 min in. fake, dubbed Ze asks for money. Humor.
https://youtu.be/hMVhaUiM4wQ?t=176
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 14, 2023, 09:17:56 AM
Did not the Kyivan Rus spawn Slavs that became Ukrainian and Russian Slavs?

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1b/Slavic_languages_tree.svg/800px-Slavic_languages_tree.svg.png)

Linguistically they both emerged concurrently.

Who displaced who?  Good question.  Pick a date.

Also, Kyivan Rus came from Oleg the Viking in the Belarus/Ukraine/Russia convergence points of today...why cannot the Swedes reassert their land claim?

All I know somebody was speaking Ruthenian and Ukrainian somewhere...show me where and then let us see who is there now, OK?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 14, 2023, 09:30:17 PM

The news on these Ukr NAZIs keeps coming. OMG. Language violations?

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/18imgll/ukraine_has_published_a_map_of_violationsnow/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/18imgll/ukraine_has_published_a_map_of_violationsnow/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2023, 10:28:55 AM

The news on these Ukr NAZIs keeps coming. OMG. Language violations?

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/18imgll/ukraine_has_published_a_map_of_violationsnow/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/18imgll/ukraine_has_published_a_map_of_violationsnow/)

Just to be clear, it is the shrillness and pettiness of this almost fake Ukrainian nationalism that gets to me. It is very recent, mostly since 2014. Lots of internet videos of people attacking others, even returning veterans, for speaking Russian. Often the pro Ukr people cannot speak Ukr well themselves.  Sometimes the harassers will break out laughing when it becomes clear they do not even know the Ukr words to use. I think Russian is a cosmopolitan big city language and Ukr is more rural.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2023, 12:04:40 PM

Link to several Ukr language maps
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=language+ukraine+map&form=QBIL&qs=n&first=1&cw=1349&ch=653 (https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=language+ukraine+map&form=QBIL&qs=n&first=1&cw=1349&ch=653)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 15, 2023, 01:03:42 PM
Modern era maps are useless when discussing linguistic genesis...

Ukrainian is a lineal descendant of the colloquial language used in Kievan Rus (10th–13th century). It is written in a form of the Cyrillic alphabet and is closely related to Russian and Belarusian, from which it was indistinguishable until the 12th or 13th century. Ukrainian resembles Russian less closely than does Belarusian, though all three languages are in part mutually intelligible.

After the fall of Kievan Rus in the 13th century, the dialectal characteristics that distinguish Ukrainian from its sister languages emerged, but for many centuries thereafter the language had almost no literary expression, a result of Ukraine’s long political subordination. It was not until the end of the 18th century that modern literary Ukrainian emerged out of the colloquial Ukrainian tongue. Like Belarusian, the Ukrainian language contains a large number of words borrowed from Polish, but it has fewer borrowings from Church Slavonic than does Russian.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ukrainian-language (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ukrainian-language)

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Russian-language (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Russian-language)

Basically this says there was a common language in the East Slavic group that split apart after the fall of the Rus and documents the suppression of Ukrainian people to use their language...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 15, 2023, 07:44:53 PM


https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/8342
#smee

Putin's Schrödinger's cat in quantum entanglement The Telegraph

- Having been defeated, Vladimir Putin is getting desperate!

- Putin is close to victory. Europe must be terrified. Ukraine's time is running out, EU faces the fate of the Holy Roman Empire

Jimmy Dore had fun contrasting the Dec 11 NYT with Dec 12 NYT
Ukr is losing then RU is losing.

watch 1 or 2 min.
https://youtu.be/PDgPElV_jKw
 NY Times Prints STAGGERING LIES To Keep Ukraine War Going!
The Jimmy Dore Show

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 18, 2023, 07:55:43 AM
Topic is not material, it all comes from the Menticide playbook...

...and more sign that things are at a stalemate...which given the land held means Ukraine is not winning...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2023, 01:30:46 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/ukrainian-commander-chief-criticizes-presidential-firing-mobilization-heads/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/ukrainian-commander-chief-criticizes-presidential-firing-mobilization-heads/)

They're imploding...

As for this -

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/soldiers-death-final-message-wall-ambushed-russian-fighter/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/soldiers-death-final-message-wall-ambushed-russian-fighter/)

True, or artful propaganda for the home front?

I mean if true, he/they knew they were left on their own to die holding a piece of dirt...maybe Rus are OK with leaving troops to their fate...seems pretty cold to me...especially since these are not sons of the Great Patriotic War their REMFs are invoking...the REMFs are not even sons of the Great Patriotic War...at best they are vets of Afghanistan and Chechnya and such...I seriously doubt the draftees beat their chests when marching off to the front in full-throated patriotic zeal...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 02:43:14 PM


I do not follow short term war news much or alleged war deaths.
I heard there is a study by BBC and some Baltic org MediaZone. They use open source public docs to count Russian war dead.
I heard that their totals closely match the official RU MOD totals, whatever those are.
Some say that the open source info is a lower bound.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 03:24:43 PM


I found this playlist of Bald and Bankrupt in Georgia. I believe such videos over any MSM or govts.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqWdYjn21PdFx8L_azM0_mcIHKGxDQEoK (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqWdYjn21PdFx8L_azM0_mcIHKGxDQEoK)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 03:30:53 PM


From above link
https://youtu.be/gICk1Wc2cfw?list=PLqWdYjn21PdFx8L_azM0_mcIHKGxDQEoK

@calripson
@calripson
4 years ago
I once drove with a Georgian taxi driver. He blew through every red light. "What the f*** are you doing" I asked. "Real men don't stop at red lights" he replied. We came to a green light and inexplicably he stopped and waited. "What are you doing now?" I asked. "Well, what if another real man is coming the other way" he answered.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 03:47:29 PM


This is good. A clip from a Russian TV show. Just a detail about one news story. You could do something similar about most US TV news stories.  I think this is about some US backed media org with HQ in Prague.


https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/171824

In this cut from “The Sleepers 2”, a Russian TV spy series, a strategy behind turning everyday news into information “bombs” is unveiled in detail.

And, as an added bonus, everything is Vladimir Putin’s personal fault, as per usual.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2023, 05:36:34 PM



I noticed something in the Ukr war. When the Ukr seem to be panicked over the forecast for the war. The Ukr often attack the civilian residential areas of Donestk City more than usual. Also they try to attack the Kerch Bridge and maybe the Zap nuclear plant.

They are attacking Donetsk City more again recently. It is not a dual use target. I used to watch telegram more. The Ukr soldiers shelling Donetsk City were asked why they did it. They said to drive the subhuman Russians from their sacred land. They knew the targets were civilian. It made sense once you know the Ukr ideology.

Patrick Lancaster is almost thee only English language reporter in Russian controlled Donbass. There is a good reason the MSM will not allow any of their reporters into the area. They might report or talk to people. e.g. MSNBC had some reporter walk around Crimea and talk to people. Kiev put him on their kill list. The information blockade is almost total.

PL talks bout increased attacks on Donetsk City including by long range US Himars. Double taps.
https://youtu.be/Zvdj6-OjB1Y?t=376

Alexander notes that these new attacks are during a shell shortage
https://youtu.be/Zvdj6-OjB1Y?t=654

Johnny of Cafe Revolution took his place for  while.
https://youtu.be/Zvdj6-OjB1Y?t=750

Note the shelling attacks on Donetsk City come mostly from Adveeka so there was political pressure on Russia to finally stop it.
Here is the videos mentioned above. I have seen such things before. The Ukr like hitting the markets and have them dialed in. Going on since well before the Russian invasion. 9 years. Some of the world news shows this. Not in the western news. They pick through the debris ti ID the shell/rocket type. Even kids know to tell the shells and rockets apart from the sound.
https://youtu.be/FdyH58ncF7U
 Ukraine fires western supplied munitions on the railways market in Donetsk
CafeRevolution


This is more residential.
https://youtu.be/WXYaos9CYVQ
 Ukraine fires a salvo of Czech supplied grad rockets on civilians in Donetsk
CafeRevolution
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2023, 09:26:46 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/putin-seizes-multi-billion-dollar-omv-and-wintershall-stakes-russian-ventures (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/putin-seizes-multi-billion-dollar-omv-and-wintershall-stakes-russian-ventures)

Nationalization picking up steam, woo hoo...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2023, 11:28:09 AM

FAFO
Many of the companies pulled out of Russia or shut down operations so Russia seized the companies. Leaving those employees unemployed was not an option. This was a windfall for Russia and many Russian business owners.

I watch lots of video blogs where amateurs walk around stores and report on  missing brands and prices. Also in malls. I find these reports the most believable. Boring now.  How many before and after McDonalds reviews can you watch? I learned that in times of stress Russians stock up on buckwheat.

Kinda related but many countries have a working requirement for patents. If you have a national patent in their country use it or lose it. You cannot sit on it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 02, 2024, 12:35:00 PM
The oversized anchor around our neck grows larger...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/powder-keg-europe-dutch-army-commander-urges-preparation/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/powder-keg-europe-dutch-army-commander-urges-preparation/)

...screw Article 5...I'd sit out another European War...

Negotiate an end...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-stomach-us-keep-funding-ukraine-war-over-ex-pentagon-official (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/no-stomach-us-keep-funding-ukraine-war-over-ex-pentagon-official)

...or as Kid Rock would say "eff all y'all"!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 03, 2024, 03:12:31 PM
I can see where Ukr people might fight on the side of hitler or stalin. Mass murder of civilians is different than killing enemy soldiers.
I do not like the nazi ideology.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/18379
🇵🇱🇺🇦🚨?? To commemorate Shukhevych, one of his quotes about his favorite people on earth the POLES!

This current Ukraine’s hero museum was hit (https://t.me/myLordBebo/18334).

https://t.me/myLordBebo/18334
🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨??Russia destroyed the museum of Roman Shukhevych

Shukhevych was one of the perpetrators of the Galicia-Volhynia massacres of tens of thousands of Polish civilians.

A hero of current Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2024, 03:16:12 PM
But they were efficient administrators and were "Christian"...as opposed to the Godless Communist heathen that spread misery equally among the non-1%...

Goose/Gander

All suck or none suck...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 03, 2024, 09:17:23 PM
I am trying to learn more. I  am not sure how much these western Ukr  people were christian or pagan. I read they tossed 30K jews into a ravine outside Kiev in 3 days. I can chose not to like these people. I am trying to learn more about USSR. I know that each decade was different. 1970s was not 1930s.

I have read 4 books so far. More on order. I am well aware of the evils of Stalin. I was not aware of the good parts of USSR.


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2024, 07:56:52 AM
I'm sure the Devil has a good day now and then too...not that that lessens the bad...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2024, 08:07:31 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-conduct-biggest-prisoner-swap-war-uaes-help (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-ukraine-conduct-biggest-prisoner-swap-war-uaes-help)

Some good news for both.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 08, 2024, 03:27:10 PM

Not sure where to post this. Judge NAP has good guests on. Maybe 3 different former ambassadors and 3 ex CIA guys. One, CIA guy used to give Reagan his daily briefing. This brit guy Alistair Crook always has a measured approach.

Here he talks about general stuff. First about the Ukr war then mid east. When Ukr gets panicked they strike civilian residential areas in Russia, recently Russia proper, sometimes using the western high precision weapons. They attacked a hospital on new years eve and also a popular new years even gathering spot in Belgorod. Putin is always under pressure to do the same. He used his new years eve talk to refuse to retaliate in kind. Said he could attack mums with strollers in Kiev but would not.

It is not official RU policy to attack purely civilian areas. I have heard Kiev troops say that IS their policy, to drive out the ethnic Russians.

The lack of MSM western reporters in Russia controlled areas is striking to me. They are allowed by RU, but not the western MSM. In Gaza at least there are some video reporters who report. One US ex pat has been doing ride along with DPR troops for many years.

https://youtu.be/nW_vxfYqURI
Alastair Crooke: Does the West Believe it is Morally Superior?


From Donetsk city, not Russia proper.
https://youtu.be/7XUWspW2p-E
https://youtu.be/YoSjAmAGC3c



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 09, 2024, 07:56:25 AM
Negotiate...before their population is rendered obsolete...the gravy train is running out like everything else...

ETA - How timely - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-met-secretly-ukraine-peace-plan-attempt-woo-global-south (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-met-secretly-ukraine-peace-plan-attempt-woo-global-south)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 09, 2024, 01:43:35 PM
Negotiate...before their population is rendered obsolete...the gravy train is running out like everything else...

ETA - How timely - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-met-secretly-ukraine-peace-plan-attempt-woo-global-south (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/western-allies-met-secretly-ukraine-peace-plan-attempt-woo-global-south)

One problem with negotiations is the history. The officials from 3 of the 4 participants in Minsk 1 and 2 have all said it was a ruse to give Ukraine time to arm up. Then there was the tentative agreement in Mar 2022 that the west convinced Kiev to walk away from in Istanbul. I recall some Israel diplomat was one source.  People compare it to Lucy and Charlie Brown with the football. Putin got to play Charlie Brown. There was also some Dec 2021 request for some meeting for agreements by Russia that US turned down.

Maybe western actions were right or wrong but they were done and Putin would look foolish to fall for such moves again.

IMO RU will not give up any land taken. In part because of the rather bloodthirsty threats from Kiev against the "collaborators" living there. US gen Ben Hodges called for Kiev to kill or drive off every Russian from Crimea. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 10, 2024, 12:51:23 PM
On occasion I hear people saying Russia should just leave all of Ukraine. That will never happen for many reasons. One reason is what Kiev has planned for the so called "collaborators."  That has already happened in the couple areas where Russia left in a hurry in fall of 2022. Kiev really hates school teachers teaching in Russian controller areas.

You have russian military people saying they cant imagine coexisting with Ukrainians and that they will need to re-educate them if they (russians) win.

This is projection. For proof, readers should check out Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council 12-step strategy for the de-occupation of Crimea.


https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html (https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html)

If they retake Crimea, Ukraine plans to expel Russian citizens who settled there after 2014.

The Russian citizens who illegally came to reside on the Crimean Peninsula after February 2014 will have to immediately leave the Ukrainian territory within a period established by law.

Anyone who bought a home after 2014 will lose it. Those property transactions will be voided and the property seized by the state. Unless they consider you a citizen of Ukraine. Do you think it's likely that members of Crimea's Russian ethnic majority will be considered citizens of Ukraine in this situation?

Any deeds executed outside of Ukrainian legislation after February 2014, including those related to real estate, are considered null and void. Ownership of property is reserved for citizens of Ukraine. The property appropriated or nationalized by occupiers will be returned to the owners.

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/crimea-de-occupation-in-12-steps-by-security-defense-council-secretary/ (https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/crimea-de-occupation-in-12-steps-by-security-defense-council-secretary/)

All public employees will be tried to determine if they are criminally liable for "assisting the occupation". They seem to see all public employees as "Russian collaborators". Their examples include judges and civil servants. Imagine if you were in your 40's working in one of those roles when Crimea changed hands in 2014. You would never anticipate Ukraine retaking the peninsula someday. You have a family to support and so you continue going to work and living your life. You're of Russian heritage and there would be zero motivation for you to relocate to an area of Ukraine that is hostile to you. So, you stay in your job as a judge or a pencil-pusher in the tax bureau or the education ministry, or a member of the public works department. For that, now your life will be destroyed. You might end up in prison - and for what? Even if you don't, you're now in your 50's, too old to easily get a job elsewhere, especially in a hostile Ukraine, and you've just lost your job and your pension, and maybe even your home.

Civil servants, judges, prosecutors, law enforcement, and others employed by the Ukrainian state before occupation and who worked for Russian occupation structures will wait until a Ukrainian court determines their criminal liability. Even if they are not held criminally responsible, they could be deprived of their state pensions and be permanently banned from working for the Ukrainian state.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-ste (https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-ste) ... 15002.html

Ukraine sure likes stripping people of their pensions. They did that to vulnerable old people in the Donbass, too.

Members of the media will also be tried to determine if they are collaborators who are guilty of treason for assisting the Russian occupation.

Propagandists — journalists, media professionals ... will be legally deprived of their liberty, titles, pensions, property, honors, and respect by a court of law.
https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html (https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html)

Anyone felt to be too "supportive" of the Russians may lose their right to vote. What constitutes being "supportive"?

In addition to prosecuting perpetrators for collaboration and high treason, a lustration mechanism is under development that will determine the level of responsibility and degree of involvement of Crimean residents in supporting occupation administration activities. Sanctions could include the right to participate in elections – to vote and to be elected.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html (https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html)

They're actually even planning to force Russian "supporters" into labor gangs. You think I'm kidding?

A comprehensive detoxification program will be implemented to neutralize the effects of years of Russian propaganda on the collective consciousness of the peninsula's population. Using Germany’s experience of denazification in the 1940s, groups of active supporters of Russian occupation will be used in public works to rebuild destroyed Ukrainian cities and to exhume and rebury victims of Russian aggression (for those found guilty of equivalent crimes by a court).

https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html (https://english.nv.ua/nation/the-12-steps-to-de-occupy-crimea-ukraine-s-security-council-50315002.html)

I don't see any mention of payment, and - given the general tone of this document - I don't think it's unreasonable to speculate that is because payment is not planned.

Can you be forced out of your job to serve on one of these labor gangs for little or no pay? If you're supporting kids, what happens to them?

I'm guessing that "active supporters of Russian occupation" will likely be mostly a euphemism for any ethnic Russian that we couldn't immediately force out, plus anyone else we don't like.

More and more, I get the impression that Ukraine only wants the land back, not the people. These are not the actions of a state seeking reconciliation. It's clear that the outcome will be soft ethnic cleansing at best, a violent purge at worst. Those who stay will be second-class citizens perpetually at risk of losing their remaining rights. One can easily imagine the informal harassment that would be directed at those who stay in a society organized around the goal of punishing "collaborators" for "treason", where "treason" is just living an ordinary life in an area whose leadership changed hands, something ordinary people had no control over. Probably only the poor and the elderly will stay.

I don't have a good feeling about this 'detoxification campaign' given some of the rather colorful statements from the head of this council;

In a Facebook post on Sunday, Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council (NSDC) secretary, Oleksiy Danilov, addressed the “Russian Gauleiter refuse” in Crimea, describing “in broad strokes” how Crimea’s de-occupation will proceed after Ukraine liberates the peninsula.

He said those Ukrainian citizens who have become collaborators will be “target number one” of the process to “forever discourage anyone from even looking toward Moscovia or opening their mouths without thinking carefully before commenting on something related to Ukraine.”

https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/crimea-de-occupation-in-12-steps-by-security-defense-council-secretary/ (https://www.ukrainianworldcongress.org/crimea-de-occupation-in-12-steps-by-security-defense-council-secretary/)

Same guy: The Russian language should disappear from the Ukrainian territory altogether - Danilov

"The Russian language must disappear from our territory altogether, as an element of hostile propaganda and brainwashing of our population."

https://frontnews.eu/en/news/details/44456 (https://frontnews.eu/en/news/details/44456)

Imagine being an ethnic Russian in Crimea and reading this. Would you want to reunite with Ukraine? These are the statements of people who are either lusting for vengeance or trying to scare Crimeans into fleeing, not of those who are willing to undergo a long, difficult and painful reconciliation process in order to become a unified nation again.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 10, 2024, 03:46:58 PM
Stop beating around the bush...

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2024, 08:24:52 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/empty-streets-russian-city-after-repeat-ukraine-attacks-force-evacuations (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/empty-streets-russian-city-after-repeat-ukraine-attacks-force-evacuations)

War sucks, who knew?

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2024, 08:26:57 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/journalist-gonzalo-lira-reported-dead-ukrainian-custody-according-father (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/journalist-gonzalo-lira-reported-dead-ukrainian-custody-according-father)

Wonder if anybody in Congress will start an awareness campaign, pass out oversized "Who murdered Lira, Jr?" pins?

ETA - I bet this gets totally stonewalled by the corrupt FJB regime's DeepState plants...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/gateway-pundit-files-foia-request-what-did-victoria/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/01/gateway-pundit-files-foia-request-what-did-victoria/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2024, 10:46:24 AM
See this?

German MoD "scenario" for WWIII...

https://modernity.news/2024/01/15/secret-german-mod-document-lays-out-path-to-world-war-iii/

And I guess Putin plans to invade Sweden too...

https://youtu.be/0V309uIctpw

 ::facepalm::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2024, 08:40:03 AM
NATO planning to use the Putin playbook?

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/157/160/559/original/71358f9ec1608cba.jpg)

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=568,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/pending_media_attachments/files/011/728/910/original/731232e47c040764.jpg) H/T's-WRSA@GAB

For the Putin playbook to work...an adequate level of men and material are needed to assure success...   ::facepalm::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 18, 2024, 10:19:09 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-french-mercenaries-targeted-long-range-missile-strike-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-it-took-out-french-mercenaries-targeted-long-range-missile-strike-ukraine)

Disputes over casualties...  SSDD

In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/alibaba-selling-kamikaze-drones (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/alibaba-selling-kamikaze-drones)

...can anybody buy these Chink killer drones?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 18, 2024, 02:14:18 PM


Nothing really new. Over the past couple years I have read Ukr govt news releases, new laws, etc.  I read that working at a govt job in RU controlled areas is a crime subject to prison or hard labor gangs. They really hate teachers. Voting in such an area is also against the law. I have no idea if the woman below is in custody or tried in absentia. I read a long law of what they want to do to residents of Crimea after they retake it. US Gen Ben Hodges said they should kill or drive off every Russian in Crimea, where they have been for hundreds of years.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/15188
📚🆚🇺🇦 General Prosecutor's Office and Security Service of Ukraine have released this photo of the real "criminal" - a primary school teacher in the Zaporozhye region.

 Her crime is to teach children at school "according to Russian standards".

Indeed, education has become a true crime in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 18, 2024, 05:17:44 PM
I cannot refind the eng version
https://t.me/intelslava/54457
On UkroTV on the eve of Christmas, Ukrainians in the form of devils dance in the church and wish death to Russians

In the satanic video, the devils wish Russians “illness in every family, accidents and a five-star scaffold in Moscow,”

this is said to be  an advertisement for an online casino.
https://twitter.com/leandro_ptbr/status/1744232343299145987

w eng subtitles
https://vk.com/video-221265170_456328101
https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/01/05/251081.html
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2024, 08:00:36 AM


Nothing really new. Over the past couple years I have read Ukr govt news releases, new laws, etc.  I read that working at a govt job in RU controlled areas is a crime subject to prison or hard labor gangs. They really hate teachers. Voting in such an area is also against the law. I have no idea if the woman below is in custody or tried in absentia. I read a long law of what they want to do to residents of Crimea after they retake it. US Gen Ben Hodges said they should kill or drive off every Russian in Crimea, where they have been for hundreds of years.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/15188
📚🆚🇺🇦 General Prosecutor's Office and Security Service of Ukraine have released this photo of the real "criminal" - a primary school teacher in the Zaporozhye region.

 Her crime is to teach children at school "according to Russian standards".

Indeed, education has become a true crime in Ukraine.

Doesn't sound any different than the surrender to foreign enclaves here...

All the illegals in this nation, not one requirement to identify them or learn the official language...and nobody does anything about it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2024, 08:04:24 AM
I cannot refind the eng version
https://t.me/intelslava/54457
On UkroTV on the eve of Christmas, Ukrainians in the form of devils dance in the church and wish death to Russians

In the satanic video, the devils wish Russians “illness in every family, accidents and a five-star scaffold in Moscow,”

this is said to be  an advertisement for an online casino.
https://twitter.com/leandro_ptbr/status/1744232343299145987

w eng subtitles
https://vk.com/video-221265170_456328101
https://pravda-en.com/world/2024/01/05/251081.html

Poor production quality...really rank amateur stuff...and don't know wtf they're saying anyway...pretty sure I don't care because in the end it only makes them look childish...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2024, 08:29:13 AM
Pretty anybody not a child or an imbecile knows this...and no it will not ever be discussed in statist MFM outlets...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/end-war-ukraine-expose-its-core-lie (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/end-war-ukraine-expose-its-core-lie)

...but evens these guys clearly see what is coming -

At some point, a decision will have to be made to either greatly expand the West’s commitment, or abandon Ukraine to its fate. Alas, President Biden’s request for $61 billion in additional funding for 2024 does neither, since Ukraine needs at least five time that amount to win, according to its top military commander. With the Ukrainian counteroffensive already running out of steam due to a lack funding, lack of weaponry, and unsustainable losses, Ukraine will likely soon be facing a Russian counteroffensive.

Before such an assault, however, Russia might offer Ukraine new peace terms, albeit far less advantageous than the ones it offered in March 2022. If Ukraine balks, Russia will press its overwhelming advantage and take more territory, which it does not really want (for a good discussion of why, see former Ukrainian diplomat Rostislav Ishchenko), in order to force Ukraine to the negotiating table.

At that point, the West will be faced with a fateful choice: either accept Ukraine’s surrender or send in NATO troops. Either scenario is likely to lead to sharp divisions in the NATO alliance, since Hungary, Slovakia, and Turkey have all indicated that they want a peaceful resolution to the conflict, not escalation.

The one thing that escalation cannot guarantee, however, is Russia’s defeat. That is because, by confirming Putin’s narrative that NATO is intent on destroying Russia, his support both within Russia and around the world would likely skyrocket. A more divided West would thus be facing a more united Russia, this time supported openly by the BRICS countries, as well as many other major international actors currently on the sidelines. This would effectively turn the tables on America’s strategy of using Ukraine to contain China’s global ambitions. Instead, it would now be Russia and its allies using Ukraine to contain the global ambitions of the United States.

It was, in no small part, the West’s original false narrative about Russia’s goals in Ukraine that has led us to this dismal outcome; European security weakened, the specter of nuclear war, Ukraine destroyed, and America’s global standing undermined. It has already been used once before to scuttle the Istanbul Agreement, which could have ended the war before hundreds of thousands died. For peace negotiations to become an acceptable alternative to mutual annihilation, this falsehood must be exposed and discarded.

The introduction of nukes into Belarus IMO was a mistake, Russia has plenty of intermediate range mobile units in its own territory to project a strategic deterrence to any Western in-kind escalation...while it may have boosted the level of commitment and determination in the Ukraine conflict it cannot be denied it is seen by even moderate Western eyes as a dangerous development in the region...and it seems to have increased the staging of troops and material by the West in Poland and Romania as well as a convenient excuse for adding the new members, so Russia has to share some responsibility for the higher tensions. 

But, bottom line...Russia is clearly committed to securing its goals...and as long as hotheads rule the EU and corrupt incompetent trash like FJB runs America...the impetus for a nightmare remains high and rising...

On the oil front...

https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russias-oil-revenues-slump-six-month-low (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/russias-oil-revenues-slump-six-month-low)

...it appears tougher enforcement of sanctions is having an effect along with lower prices and discounts.

Unless Trump returns to the White House things can only get much much worse.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 19, 2024, 10:23:58 PM

I likely have posted this before.  In reporting from Israel the media uses words like Israel proper, west bank, gaza, palistinian authority , hamas, hezbollah, etc. With Ukraine the only words often used are Ukraine, Russia, Putin. If Britain had sided with the south in the us civil war it is  like saying Britain invaded the us and left out the rest.

Who invaded whom? I think sherman invaded Georgia, grant invaded Richmond, and lee invaded PA.

If 'Putin wins" that means the SE 1/3 of Ukr pop will be able to speak in their native language which is often Russian and choose to educate their children in their preferred language. Also they can practice their religion. They will elect local govt officials. They can only do those things under Russian protection. The remaining 2/3 of Ukr can do what they wish except join NATO.

If Kiev "wins' they will slaughter or imprison many of the SE 1/3 based on the laws they have passed and official govt proclamations. People with a NAZI ideology are not shy in saying what they want to do. US Gen ben hodges said that Ukr should drive out or kill all russians in crimea where they have been for hundreds of years. I watch and listen. Russian language will be banned in schools, govt, and commerce. churches will be seized and priests arrested or conscripted. None of this is disputed just not reported much in the western MSM.

BTW the Kiev govt policies on language and religion disqualify them from EU membership. Not often reported on.

IMO Russia has no desire to rule over people who hate them. It is giant money loser for one thing. E.g. in 1915 Lvov the govt was hanging people from trees for speaking Russian. Then WWII. They still hate Russian speakers there. I watched people from the Donbass who fled to western Ukr only to return to donbass as they were hated by the locals. My brother knew a couple from Lvov Ukraine. I think he said they spoke Russian and Polish. Russian was more big city and Ukrainian more rural and had a rube hillbilly aspect to it.

For me, this was the first US war where I could listen to hundreds of military and civilian testimonies on social media.
 
The problem will be if US and Kiev want to use what is left of Ukraine to attack civilians in  the SE as they have for 10 years. If you believe Ukr artillery on social media this is intentional for ethnic reasons. If Putin dies or is replaced RU may reply in kind. If US was in the place of RU Kiev would be ruble early on not a place for photo ops by the rich and western govt class.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2024, 03:48:34 PM


Nothing new. This has been going on for 10 years now but it bears reporting from time to time as this is not reported in the west. . I notice that every time Kiev panics they attack civilian residential areas rather than military targets. I used to watch Kiev military social posts where said the reason was to drive out Russian civilians from their sacred land. Putin recently again refused to reply in kind which pisses Russians off. One theory is that Kiev wants Moscow to reply in kind to show nasty the Russians are to gain sympathy.

On New years eve Kiev attacked a gathering where they knew people would be celebrating in a city in Russian proper. They used high precision western weapons in part. 

Independent reporters will walk around the areas with video cameras so people can judge the nature of the targets themselves. Western MSM are not allowed in such areas by the western MSM to prevent such reporting. The local govts allow such presence.

https://www.rt.com/russia/591021-ukraine-shelling-donetsk-market/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/591021-ukraine-shelling-donetsk-market/)

 Multiple casualties as Ukraine shells Donetsk
The attack targeted a busy market in the capital of Russia’s Donetsk People’s Republic, the head of the city said
Multiple casualties as Ukraine shells Donetsk
The body of the seller who died as a result of the shelling of the AFU market in the Kirovsky district of Donetsk. ©  Sputnik / Victoria Velenskaya

At least 18 people have been killed and 13 others wounded in a shelling of Donetsk by Ukrainian forces, Aleksey Kulemzin, mayor of the capital of Donetsk People’s Republic, has said.

The attack hit a busy market in the Kirovsky District, in the south-western part of the city, Kulemzin wrote on Telegram.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33598 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33598)
In just over 30 minutes, the Ukrainian armed forces fired 19 shells of 155 mm caliber into the residential streets of the Kirovsky district of Donetsk.

In total, there were six artillery strikes of 3-4 rounds each. The strikes were carried out deliberately in a square where only civilians are located. There are dead and wounded.

Such revenge of the Nazis for the advance of our forces in the Donetsk direction.

Source (https://t.me/RtrDonetsk (https://t.me/RtrDonetsk))


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33599 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33599)
??At least 13 people have been killed and ten others wounded in a shelling of Donetsk by the Ukrainian forces, Denis Pushilin, leader of the Donetsk People’s Republic, has said.
Describing the attack as “horrendous,” Pushilin wrote on his Telegram channel that it hit a market in the Kirovsky District, in the south-western part of the city, during its busiest hour.
First responders and operatives are working at the site, clarifying the data on the dead and wounded in the attack, and searching for fragments of munitions used in the bombardment, he added.
 https://www.rt.com/russia/591021-ukraine-shelling-donetsk-market/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/591021-ukraine-shelling-donetsk-market/)

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33600 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33600) [videos at link]
I count 21 civilians (so far) killed by Ukrainian artillery attack on civilian market in Donetsk today. More information and special video report to come. Update 22 I count now


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33607 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33607)  [nsfw videos]
The people of Donetsk continue to be brutally slaughtered by the AFU aided by the U.S and most of Europe. There was nothing here except a Sunday morning market.

“If this continues, the question of their statehood will soon arise” -Putin

Just remembered we were warned

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33610 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33610)
??WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT

Sputnik correspondent Russell Bentley (https://t.me/TXDPR (https://t.me/TXDPR)) has shared footage of aftermath of a Ukrainian shelling of a market in Donetsk, which has claimed the lives of 25 civilians.

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33628 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33628)
💥Exclusive Report from The Islander's Steve Sweeney: Donetsk Marketplace Tragedy

In an exclusive video report, The Islander's own Steve Sweeney provides a chilling eyewitness account from the Donetsk marketplace, a site of senseless devastation earlier today.

Capturing scenes too inconveniently graphic for the West's client  media, Sweeney's report exposes the grim reality of a community torn apart. The marketplace, once a hub of life and laughter, now stands as a haunting symbol of the brutality inflicted by Ukrainian forces, armed and enabled by Western arms, NATO issued 155mm shells.

The bloodstained streets of Donetsk lay bare the West's hand in this tragedy. Their weapons, their support, directly fuel a fascist puppet regime's brutality. Here lies the undeniable justification for Russia's SMO: a stark, necessary shield against the West's cynical game of human chess. As Donetsk mourns, Russia stands as the only bulwark against this orchestrated carnage.

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2024, 05:51:11 PM
This is a big deal. The Guardian reports this? WTF?


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/21/ukrainian-shelling-donetsk-shopping-area
Ukrainian shelling of Donetsk shopping area kills dozens, local officials say

Russian-installed mayor and governor say another 20 people were injured in attack on occupied city in eastern Ukraine


At least 25 people have been killed after Ukrainian forces shelled a busy suburban shopping area in the Russian-controlled city of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine, according to local officials.

Alexei Kulemzin, the city’s Russian-installed mayor, said Ukrainian artillery had fired on a bustling district where shops and a market are located. Denis Pushilin, the Russian-appointed head of the Donetsk region, said emergency services were working at the scene, adding that a further 20 people, including two children, had been injured in the strike on the suburb of Tekstilshchik.

Pushilin said the area had been hit by 155mm and 152mm calibre shells fired from the direction of Kurakhove and Krasnohorivka to the west. Local authorities have declared Monday a day of mourning.
...


Some reddit links, not telegram
https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19ccqxx/ukraine_war_massacre_28_killed_at_market_in/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19ccqxx/ukraine_war_massacre_28_killed_at_market_in/)

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19cbi6q/bloody_sunday_in_donetsk_donbass_as_ukraine_kills/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19cbi6q/bloody_sunday_in_donetsk_donbass_as_ukraine_kills/)

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19c9ed0/patrick_lancaster_eye_witness_of_ukraine_attack/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19c9ed0/patrick_lancaster_eye_witness_of_ukraine_attack/)

https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19c2abi/22_civilians_killed_by_ukrainian_shelling_in/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwar/comments/19c2abi/22_civilians_killed_by_ukrainian_shelling_in/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2024, 07:29:02 PM

Alleged list of french mercs killed in Kharkov. Macron said no mercs but defined them out of existence. Said just private citizens then went real ape sh*t crazy on Russians.


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33634
List of French citizens from the “International legion of the territorial defenders of Ukraine” who were hit in Kharkov.

Looks like Russia hit the bullseye!

Rumors say, international mercenaries operate NATO type air defense and self propelled artillery systems.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2024, 07:30:54 PM


https://youtu.be/4Ffyjrvugw0
PATRICK LANCASTER: Eye Witness of Ukraine Attack on Civilian Marketplace
Judge NAP
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 21, 2024, 10:05:52 PM

https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33643

The Ukrainian Armed Forces shelled Donetsk again — a civilian was killed

The Ukrainian army shelled the Kuibyshevsky district of Donetsk with NATO-made cluster munitions, resulting in the death of a civilian. The man was walking through the snow when suddenly there was an explosion. He tried to escape in the courtyards, but fragments from an exploding ammunition flew at his feet. Locals tried to help the wounded man, but they could not save him.

During a previous attack by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on a busy Sunday market in the Kirovsky district of the city, 25 people were killed and another 20 were wounded, including two children. Many of the victims are in serious condition. Russia is convening a UN Security Council meeting on Ukraine tomorrow, one of the topics of which will be the terrorist shelling of Donetsk by the Ukrainian army
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 22, 2024, 08:34:43 AM
UN, lol...  Have fun with that...

Rus attack utilities...big whup nobody cares...

And back here protecting their borders is losing steam as our borders are invaded...Ukraine is dead without arms and ammunition aid...there is no winning or reclaiming lost land..all wasting more resources can do is maintain the status quo and keep the meat-grinder and suffering going...their only remaining option is negotiation...and hoping Putin isn't greedy or vindictive...

Frankly I think the slaughter continues...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 22, 2024, 01:30:00 PM
UN, lol...  Have fun with that...

Rus attack utilities...big whup nobody cares...

And back here protecting their borders is losing steam as our borders are invaded...Ukraine is dead without arms and ammunition aid...there is no winning or reclaiming lost land..all wasting more resources can do is maintain the status quo and keep the meat-grinder and suffering going...their only remaining option is negotiation...and hoping Putin isn't greedy or vindictive...

Frankly I think the slaughter continues...

From headlines I read that RU is attacking Ukr dual use and military industrial targets currently. Utilities was mostly last year. In part because electric trains are used to transport military weapons etc.

Western MSM reporting on shelling civilian areas is new although the BBC kinda muddles the story a little. Western MSM used to claim the Russian were shelling the Russian controlled civilian areas.

BBC reports some
https://youtu.be/xOwfdyOlsLI

update CNN reports
https://youtu.be/bL8Tr5YeqPE
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 23, 2024, 08:07:08 AM
Interesting, Uke Spy Chief admits what we've all been speculating about...

"The shortage [of manpower] is palpable," Ukraine’s military top spy chief, Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov, told Financial Times in a new interview, describing the most pressing situation facing the country after nearly two years of war.

He warned that "it is not even conceivable to think that we can do without mobilization" — which reflects the consensus of the military's leadership, and strongly points to staggering losses by the Ukrainian side, though an official running casualty count has never been revealed. Russia has also likely suffered immense losses, but can tap into much greater manpower and artillery, which is also allegedly being supplied from such nefarious actors as North Korea.

As part of its report, FT has reviewed that Zelensky recently revealed that his army chiefs requested him "to mobilize about 400,000 to 500,000 new soldiers to replace those killed or wounded, and to rest those involved in the most intense fighting."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-spy-chief-not-even-conceivable-we-can-win-without-massive-mobilization (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraines-spy-chief-not-even-conceivable-we-can-win-without-massive-mobilization)

If they are burning through that many troops more is not going to help...it will just feed the meat grinder that will claim more Russians and many more Ukrainians...

And, along with this -

Still, Budanov tried to paint an optimistic picture at a moment that even mainstream US press has lamented the current state of the war as a total failure and disaster for Ukraine:

Ukrainian troops never managed to decisively breach Russia’s heavily fortified defences: the frontline remains almost the same as it looked a year ago. But Budanov maintains he was not wrong.

"Although the original plans suggested something different, we kept our promise. This summer, our units repeatedly entered Crimea," he said, referring to his commandos sneaking on to the peninsula to carry out raids on Russian bases.

...Is a kind of admission of strategic failure.  They should have been focused on securing territory the Russians were not entering and never should have attempted any counter-offensive into their defenses...they should have contained them and conducted harassment raids, infiltration and sabotage and intermediate range missile attacks on military targets...and let Russia try to push into your fortified multi-level defenses.

They f**ked up, and now their response is to throw their people into the meatgrinder...

Stupid and wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 23, 2024, 03:55:35 PM
^^^^^
I also recall Kiev announced their plans in advance. Exactly how they were going to advance to the sea of Azov.
Maybe  Russia used that info or not. Russia did put their massive defensive lines in that path.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2024, 08:43:04 AM
See this?  Are these some of the suicide drones used by the Russians?

May be disturbing for some...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1749813361574121850
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 24, 2024, 09:19:43 AM
In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-plane-65-prisoners-crashes-near-belgorod (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-plane-65-prisoners-crashes-near-belgorod)

So I guess the implication is bad Ukraine...when it is more likely Ukraine made a mistake and Russia wasn't about to help them not to make a mistake...

You see a multi-role Ilyushin Il-76 on your targeting scope...it is as likely to be carrying heavy weapons and troops more so than POWs...you take the shot...

End of sad war story.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 25, 2024, 08:19:44 AM
According to the NATO Secretary General, “…we don’t see any direct or imminent threat against any NATO Ally. And therefore, we, of course, monitor closely what Russia does, we have increased our vigilance, our presence in the eastern part of the Alliance, but the whole idea of that is to prevent an attack on a NATO Ally.”

What Stoltenberg said was transparently true and confirmable simply by looking beyond the preferred western talking points.  However, no doubt his tracked and monitored cell phone was immediately receiving apoplectic calls from the U.S. State Dept for going off script.

Another transparently true thing is, the eastern Ukraine killing stops as soon as President Trump wins the 2024 general election.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/24/nato-general-secretary-goes-rogue-says-no-threat-of-russian-expansion-beyond-ukraine/

Sundance is correct, especially on the no Trump no peace for the world part.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2024, 04:58:12 PM
In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-plane-65-prisoners-crashes-near-belgorod (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russian-plane-65-prisoners-crashes-near-belgorod)

So I guess the implication is bad Ukraine...when it is more likely Ukraine made a mistake and Russia wasn't about to help them not to make a mistake...

You see a multi-role Ilyushin Il-76 on your targeting scope...it is as likely to be carrying heavy weapons and troops more so than POWs...you take the shot...

End of sad war story.

As I recall the recent reporting. In order
1. Kiev boasts about shooting down the plane
'2. Learns it was POWs and removes the boasts.
3. Zelensky says the Russians shot it down. I really heard that but I was half asleep.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 25, 2024, 07:05:59 PM

nice chart
Cyprus? That is a money laundering center.


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/33765
What’s the price tag for seizing Russian assets? $288 bln 

The long-debated and highly-controversial question of confiscating frozen Russian reserves is now taking shape, as US and EU officials take a serious look at the legal framework needed to do so. 

However, there is a catch – Russia has vowed a robust “mirror response” aimed at foreign reserves held in Russian accounts. This could cost Western countries $288 billion.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2024, 08:11:50 AM
As is typical...it is the Euros balking at action as they correctly see themselves as more harmed by retaliatory action than the US...which to me is another sign that we should not subsidize Europe any longer...we should exit NATO and let these idiots figure things out for themselves...

Alas, as long a demoscats and cucks call the shots...that will never happen...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 26, 2024, 08:31:25 AM
Oh oh...the weak link in my previous post is proof of communication between the combatants of POW transportation routes/methods...while this isn't proof per se, it may indicate a major eff up by the Ukes...

Mr Yusov refuted Russia's claim that it had warned Ukraine its PoWs would be brought by military plane to the Belgorod region.

He said the two sides implemented a ceasefire in Sumy, as agreed. "Unfortunately, the exchange did not happen."

The Ukrainian official said the two sides usually communicate about the routes they will use for prisoner swaps, to ensure safety.

On 3 January, during the previous swap, he said Ukraine was informed that Russia would use a plane.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68101731 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68101731)

Could indicate really bad communication between Uke leaders and units...a mistake by a AA unit...or who knows...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 26, 2024, 09:10:02 PM


Scott Ritter describes his recent trip to Chechnya. A little history. As I had heard before. The US was in part behind the Chechen wars. CIA. Maybe there were other countries also backing the crazies. The crazies blew up stuff in Moscow and killed a lot of Beslan school children on school opening day.

Fascinating story so far 20 min in. All Chechnya so far.  They have blood feuds. I have watched a couple video logs from Chechnya from Eli, Different culture. They invited Scott to visit them personally.

Gross war story at 24 or 25 min.

https://youtu.be/hshWycPYwV8
 WARRIOR UPDATE WITH SCOTT RITTER - SCOTT RETURNS FROM RUSSIA - UKRAINE IN CHAOS
Garland Nixon

A video clip of what he saw. He said his Russian sucks so he was asked to make a speech! All the men are armed.
The host Garland said as law enforcement he was disarmed before allowed to sit on stage with the US president.
https://youtu.be/CGXvyoKipGw?t=6
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2024, 08:59:27 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/us-sanctions-strand-10-million-barrels-russian-crude-weeks (https://www.zerohedge.com/commodities/us-sanctions-strand-10-million-barrels-russian-crude-weeks)

I thought BRICS had their own payment system...?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 29, 2024, 01:55:58 PM

Confused. Is South Korea honoring the sanctions?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 29, 2024, 02:48:51 PM

Is this real?

https://lostbooks.medium.com/the-unlikely-hippy-past-of-vladimir-putin-2492c04a4f7f
(https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*f4_Ekg7duXg9NcOR_RoeRw.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 29, 2024, 03:24:21 PM


https://t.me/inessas1992/5883
Just as funding dries up from the West - is a major escalation incoming?

Kim Dotcom believes the "actual President of Ukraine" Victoria Nuland is pushing to replace (Defense Chief) Zaluzhny with (Intelligence Chief) Budanov - someone crazy enough to send a nuclear cloud across Europe, to put NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine.

Because the point is not for Ukraine to win - but for Russia to lose no matter the cost to Europe.

Ukrainian journalist Tsimbaluk reports the new Defense Chief is indeed - Budanov.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 29, 2024, 03:32:04 PM

I do not think the summary are his exact words. This is how he talks in public on camera. The ethnic Russia hatred goes way back. It often included a genetic basis given.  I read that people in Lvov were hanged from trees for speaking Russian in 1915. Later concentration camp in Austria as the numbers increased too much.

https://t.me/inessas1992/5880
 140 MILLION RUSSIANS ARE LITTLE PUTINS AND MUST DIE - former Ukrainian President Yushchenko with a vile word vomit, confesses his genocidal desires for a world without Russia and its entire civilian population, 'cause they're all potential Putins.

How can anyone blame Russia for defending itself against rabid Nazi maniacs like that barrel of sh*t in video above.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2024, 09:22:14 AM

Is this real?

https://lostbooks.medium.com/the-unlikely-hippy-past-of-vladimir-putin-2492c04a4f7f
(https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*f4_Ekg7duXg9NcOR_RoeRw.png)

I saw this long ago...I never thought so, some look alike...as far back as I remember he was/near bald...I think he started losing hair very young...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2024, 09:25:47 AM


https://t.me/inessas1992/5883
Just as funding dries up from the West - is a major escalation incoming?

Kim Dotcom believes the "actual President of Ukraine" Victoria Nuland is pushing to replace (Defense Chief) Zaluzhny with (Intelligence Chief) Budanov - someone crazy enough to send a nuclear cloud across Europe, to put NATO boots on the ground in Ukraine.

Because the point is not for Ukraine to win - but for Russia to lose no matter the cost to Europe.

Ukrainian journalist Tsimbaluk reports the new Defense Chief is indeed - Budanov.

I expected that...Zaluzhny was making sense, can't have that...  Leaves Mayor of Kyiv as highest ranking Ukrainian leader...

And IIRC and I believe I am I said long ago the demonazi/cuck alliance was so filled with hatred of Trump and so wedded to the lie of Russia electoral interference that they would be happy to see the globe a radioactive ash heap than ever admit they were wrong on either...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2024, 09:31:25 AM

I do not think the summary are his exact words. This is how he talks in public on camera. The ethnic Russia hatred goes way back. It often included a genetic basis given.  I read that people in Lvov were hanged from trees for speaking Russian in 1915. Later concentration camp in Austria as the numbers increased too much.

https://t.me/inessas1992/5880
 140 MILLION RUSSIANS ARE LITTLE PUTINS AND MUST DIE - former Ukrainian President Yushchenko with a vile word vomit, confesses his genocidal desires for a world without Russia and its entire civilian population, 'cause they're all potential Putins.

How can anyone blame Russia for defending itself against rabid Nazi maniacs like that barrel of sh*t in video above.

Sure, but who committed the original sin?  When Russia went Communist Ukraine became a vassal under force of the Red Army gun and got inundated with Russian squatters...and go back as far as you want they were never allowed to be independent by anybody...

Independence is the answer...but everybody wants to dominate them...even the Euros, which they cannot see.  This is the definition of a battered populous and unless something changes nothing will...

You think shaming them will matter?  They'll call you a Putin-lover...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on January 30, 2024, 11:06:45 AM
Here is how I understand a brief history of Ukraine. The Russian empire was not a giant blob. It was divided up into oblasts which each had some admin city or capital. This was to prevent some govt admins from poaching from another when conscripting or taxing. Most empires were divided up like that. There was a geographic grouping of oblasts called Ukraine similar to New England or some such. Ukraine means border or frontier. Border of frontier of the Russian empire. That is why some people still call Ukraine "the" Ukraine. The border.

When the tsar fell 4 different regions declared independence in 1918. West, central,east, and Crimea. The reds conquered them all. Lenin created an SSR with new borders and named it Ukraine.When USSR fell Ukraine was an independent country.  Russians did not squat in eastern Ukraine but some Ukrainians did migrate east for industrial jobs decreasing percent of Russians.  Russian language was more common in the east and in big cities. Ukrainian was more rural and had a hillbilly aspect to it. Not cool. Zelensky did not speak Ukrainian when he first ran for office I believe. Even now it sucks.

Lenin caused trouble with his borders. Similar to Brits drawing borders in the middle east.

update
Chicago has the most number of Poles after Warsaw. He knew a couple from Lvov. They spoke Russian and Polish. AND English now.
He once joked that at his plant the employees were 40% white, 20% black, 20% Hispanic, and 20% Poles.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on January 31, 2024, 08:39:06 AM
Hey, with the corrupt Senate shenanigans imperiled (as that sham should be!) check this out -

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/01/30/macron-tells-eu-they-must-support-ukraine-corps-and-world-war-reddit-especially-if-u-s-govt-cannot-get-more-money-from-u-s-taxpayers/

We're off the hook!  Let the Euro idiots have this sh*tshow!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2024, 08:15:52 AM
Well, this is stupid...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-set-receive-bomb-so-new-it-hasnt-reached-us-arsenal-yet (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-set-receive-bomb-so-new-it-hasnt-reached-us-arsenal-yet)

Might as well just give one to Russia now and let them reverse engineer it with their Chi-Com & Mahdi Death Cult pals!

And who's paying for this?  Euro's? 

And, this isn't as big a news story as some may think...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploy-nukes-britain-first-time-15-years (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-deploy-nukes-britain-first-time-15-years)

...UK has its won nukes...no bed-wetting over that...plus, a fixed location is somewhat easier monitored than a mobile one, like a boomer...so eggs were always in the Euopean basket and a few more have been added...

The only real concern remains the same...the corrupt criminal FJB regime bent on forever war making the world more dangerous...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 01:03:53 PM


There are variations on this video over time. Hyper nationalist Ukrainians demand that others speak Ukrainian but then stumble over the language themselves as they do not know it well enough. I saw one where some women demand this then giggle when they stumble over the language. Russian is spoken more in the east and in big cities. There are lots of videos where Ukr soldiers speak Ukrainian then switch to Russian when under stress.
BTW the Ukr laws against the RU language violate EU rules.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8642
🇺🇦 Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

Ukrainian nationalism is when you ban the Russian language but you don't know your Ukrainian "mother tongue" yett.

Sergei Grygorievich, the founder of the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. game series (who previously banned the Russian language from all his games) now asks the interviewer to switch to Russian because he doesn't even understand the question.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 01:04:58 PM

Russophrenia: When a person simultaneously believes Russia is about to collapse and take over the world.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 01, 2024, 02:43:26 PM

Russophrenia: When a person simultaneously believes Russia is about to collapse and take over the world.

Somebody coin that?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 01, 2024, 04:20:43 PM

Russophrenia: When a person simultaneously believes Russia is about to collapse and take over the world.

Somebody coin that?

It is from a book I just read by andrei martyanov. Wikipedia says it is from Bryan MacDonald.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Russophrenia
i have heard it called Schrodinger's Russia also after Schrodinger's cat.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2024, 08:21:56 AM

Russophrenia: When a person simultaneously believes Russia is about to collapse and take over the world.

Somebody coin that?

It is from a book I just read by andrei martyanov. Wikipedia says it is from Bryan MacDonald.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Russophrenia (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Russophrenia)
i have heard it called Schrodinger's Russia also after Schrodinger's cat.

It seemed familiar.  I know Putin likes to lob the Russophobia epithet Westward...and I've used Russophile for Putin fanboys...Russophrenia seemed familiar.

And, looks like the MacDonald attribution is correct, others have used it -

https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/mi6-head-reveals-that-russophrenia-stricken-uk-defense-chiefs-think-russia-is-both-a-declining-power-and-their-number-one-rival/ (https://www.azerbaycan24.com/en/mi6-head-reveals-that-russophrenia-stricken-uk-defense-chiefs-think-russia-is-both-a-declining-power-and-their-number-one-rival/)

And it appears it may be a bit truncated...any nation facing internal and external struggles could certainly be legitimately generating concern if conquest is seen as a possible option to solve their problems, that is nothing new on Earth...attaching it to just one nation may not be entirely fair...

In its present truncated and specific to Russia nature it seems to be primarily used now as a means of ridiculing those fearing Russia.  I think every nation with nukes and large conventional forces and facing internal and external challenges should be carefully obnserved...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 02, 2024, 09:19:08 AM
The problem that is apparently stumping British military brass and political leaders is their ever dwindling recruitment numbers.  They just can't seem to fathom why no one wants to fight for them.

The problem that is apparently stumping British military brass and political leaders is their ever dwindling recruitment numbers.  They just can't seem to fathom why no one wants to fight for them.

I say go for it, see what happens...might be the thing to really get folks there and perhaps elsewhere to open their damn eyes...

 ::popcorn::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2024, 03:18:06 PM
The problem that is apparently stumping British military brass and political leaders is their ever dwindling recruitment numbers.  They just can't seem to fathom why no one wants to fight for them.

The problem that is apparently stumping British military brass and political leaders is their ever dwindling recruitment numbers.  They just can't seem to fathom why no one wants to fight for them.

I say go for it, see what happens...might be the thing to really get folks there and perhaps elsewhere to open their damn eyes...

 ::popcorn::

Some UK brass have been recently chest thumping and calling for war against Russia. There is a meme where Putin says "Go ahead. You can't even stop people in rubber boats."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2024, 05:11:49 PM

Some were convicted of providing information to the enemy. Some for saying the wrong things or trying to visit Crimea or helping with the referendum. I recall even voting was a crime and any school teachers who kept teaching after Russians came are in huge trouble.
Why is the Guardian publishing this now?

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46652 (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/46652)
??Ukraine’s SBU security service says it has opened more than 8,100 criminal proceedings “related to collaboration and aiding and abetting the aggressor state” and Ukrainians convicted on these counts are only held in certain prisons, where they are kept away from other inmates. The Guardian was granted rare access to two such prisons.

- They tattooed the word “Orc” – a pejorative term for Russian soldiers widely used in Ukraine – on his forehead.

- Many of those the Guardian interviewed insisted their innocent activity had been misinterpreted and they had then been pressured into signing confessions.

- Holomb admitted her guilt, she said, because she felt she had no choice. She was sentenced to 15 years in prison. She is currently with her two-year-old daughter in prison, but after her third birthday the child will be taken away. “Everyone was in shock at the sentence. My mum hired a lawyer, we filed an appeal but it was too late,” she said.

- Kostiantyn Vanin, a 34-year-old geography and physics teacher from Sloviansk, was detained driving across the frontline near Bakhmut, he said because he wanted to reach friends in Crimea. He said life is “more peaceful and more stable” on the other side, but claimed he had not shared any information about Ukrainian army positions. He admitted guilt under pressure, he said.

- My parents raised me to fight fascism, and here there is fascism,” said 57-year-old Yuri Tsybulsky, from Bakhmut, who was given a 13-year sentence for treason. He admitted sharing information about Ukrainian troop movements.
...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/02/jailed-as-collaborators-the-stories-of-ukrainians-who-ended-up-in-prison (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/02/jailed-as-collaborators-the-stories-of-ukrainians-who-ended-up-in-prison)

Jailed as collaborators: the stories of Ukrainians who ended up in prison
Fri 2 Feb 2024 03.00 EST
...
 In other cases, such as a woman jailed for five years for providing logistical assistance during Russia’s fake referendum in Kherson region,
...
Kostiantyn Vanin, a 34-year-old geography and physics teacher from Sloviansk, was detained driving across the frontline near Bakhmut, he said because he wanted to reach friends in Crimea. He said life is “more peaceful and more stable” on the other side, but claimed he had not shared any information about Ukrainian army positions. He admitted guilt under pressure, he said.
...
The 47-year-old, currently one year into a five-year sentence, had stayed behind in the settlement of Novooleksandrivka in Kherson region when the Russians occupied it quickly after the start of full-scale war to take care of her mother-in-law, who is immobile. At the end of September 2022, the Russians held a fake referendum in Kherson region in order to proclaim it part of Russia. Kuzmych was offered a modest payment for helping with the organisation. “We had no money, so I agreed to carry a ballot box, just one box on one street, that was it,” she claimed.

A week later, the Ukrainian army liberated the town. Russia’s senior local helpers fled but Kuzmych and other low-level auxiliaries stayed behind. They thought they had done nothing wrong, and anyway did not want to go to Russia. A few weeks later, Kuzmych was arrested along with three other women, including the director of the local cemetery, and charged with aiding in an illegal referendum.
...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 04, 2024, 09:01:06 PM


I found this again. MSNBC sent some reporter to Crimea to ask people on thee street questions on camera.
Kiev put him on their kill list.
https://youtu.be/xkJKDTFqx68

Here is a link to the German TV ZDF. YT has a eng transcript at right. In olden times the USSR controlled the press tightly. Now RU lets reporters wander around and Kiev gets butt hurt over it.

https://youtu.be/Mi9mn32w4Pg

🤯 Scandal! German journalists SHOCK with Mariupol footage / MFA has RESPONDED.
24 ?????
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2024, 08:43:45 AM
Umm...if Crimea is under Russian control probably people on the street are Russian/Russian sympathizers?

Contrast that with war protestors in Russia...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 05, 2024, 08:47:27 AM
In other news...Ukraine reaching higher value targets 600km away now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-drone-strike-damages-volgograd-oil-refinery-deep-russian-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-drone-strike-damages-volgograd-oil-refinery-deep-russian-territory)

...starting to get real now.  And without negotiations to end it it can only increase, yes?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 01:16:57 PM
Umm...if Crimea is under Russian control probably people on the street are Russian/Russian sympathizers?

Contrast that with war protestors in Russia...

There is massive support for Russia according to the referendums and even western polls. Kiev has passed laws stating the nasty things they will do to collaborators 'once' they take over. There is very little support for any Kiev govt take  over. US Gen Hodges said that all Russians in Crimea should be killed  or driven out. Hardly a way to win friends and influence people. Russians have been there hundreds of years.

I recall in some 2013 US AID poll, 15% of people in Crimea ID as Ukrainian.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 01:20:41 PM
In other news...Ukraine reaching higher value targets 600km away now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-drone-strike-damages-volgograd-oil-refinery-deep-russian-territory (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-drone-strike-damages-volgograd-oil-refinery-deep-russian-territory)

...starting to get real now.  And without negotiations to end it it can only increase, yes?

600 km? Likely NATO weapons controlled by NATO operators using NATO intelligence. I am waiting for the Houthis or Iran to sink US/UK warships using Russian weapons.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 02:05:45 PM


Are they kidding? Psychos.
https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/9023

Britain proposed sending a NATO expeditionary force to Ukraine.

Great Britain has invited NATO allies to consider sending an expeditionary force of the alliance to Ukraine, an informed source told RIA Novosti.
“In connection with the unfavorable developments for Kiev in the Ukrainian theater of military operations (theater of operations), Britain invited NATO allies to consider sending an expeditionary force of the alliance to Ukraine, as well as establishing a no-fly zone over the territory controlled by the Kiev authorities, and increasing the supply of weapons and equipment to the Ukrainian Armed Forces ", said the agency's interlocutor.

At the same time, according to him, London understands that the majority of member countries of the bloc are now unlikely to support such measures.

Nevertheless, the British side expects that with a significant weakening of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the successful advance of the Russian army deep into the territory of the former Soviet republic, the allies will approve the initiative, the source noted.
He clarified that the kingdom proposes to secretly transfer large highly maneuverable NATO forces to Ukraine from the border regions of Romania and Poland to occupy defensive lines along the right bank of the Dnieper.
A preventive strike by the Armed Forces of Moldova and Romania on Transnistria is also not excluded,” the agency’s interlocutor added.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 02:12:22 PM


I am not current on this soap opera. I read that if Zal is sacked Ukr will have to sack many senior officers loyal to him.

https://t.me/iEarlGreyTV/9033
Ukraine is at an impasse: Biden reluctantly agreed with the resignation of Zaluzhny

The Washington Post: Biden was informed of Zelensky's decision to dismiss Zaluzhny.

Looks like the decision was made in the end. Zelensky should appoint Himmler... I mean... Budanov! Yea, that's the guy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 05, 2024, 03:00:17 PM
A Himars was used. I recall the US said only military targets would be hit using himars and US would e involved in target selection. . I also heard that NATO/US are the likely operators as the himars require a lot of training to operate. Not near the front. Not a military site.

I heard that other than hatred, Kiev hopes to goad RU into replying in kind to elicit sympathy for Kiev and to show what monsters RU  is. The bakery footage will not likely be shown in the western MSM. RU could vaporize a city block in downtown Kiev but Putin has refused despite public pressure.

https://www.rt.com/russia/591910-ukrainian-bakery-strike-justification/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS (https://www.rt.com/russia/591910-ukrainian-bakery-strike-justification/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS)
 Ukrainian official tries to justify the killing of 28 civilians in Russian bakery
Petr Andryuschenko called the strike “heavenly punishment,” insisting it was legitimate because it claimed the life of Lugansk’s emergencies minister
...
Moscow has denounced Kiev for the “terrorist attack.” However, former aide to the mayor of Mariupol Petr Andryuschenko (who fled the city in early 2022 following the outbreak of conflict) has suggested that the death of the regional minister in the attack legitimized the murder of 27 others.

Mariupol, located in the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), was liberated by Russian forces early in the ongoing conflict.

“At the end of the week, late in the evening, heavenly punishment visited Lisichansk in a restaurant near a bakery, where the top collaborators  had already celebrated two birthdays,” Andryuschenko wrote on Telegram, claiming that only the restaurant was destroyed, while the bakery itself remained “intact.”

It was not immediately clear where he’d come by his information, given that the bakery and the restaurant were effectively a single establishment, located in the same building. Its structure ended up heavily damaged in the Ukrainian strike, partially collapsing and burying dozens of civilians under the rubble.

Additionally, the strike did not exactly happen “late in the evening” as Andryuschenko claimed, but occurred shortly after 5pm local time.
Death toll rises to 28 from Ukrainian strike on bakery READ MORE: Death toll rises to 28 from Ukrainian strike on bakery

The official also urged the Ukrainian side to brag about such attacks in the future, arguing that Kiev should have released the news of the strike first, while describing the bakery as an “assembly point” of “collaborators.” Early information releases, according to the former aide, deprive Russia of the “information field advantage.”
...

US ex pat Patrick Lancaster goes to the site with video camera and interviews locals.
https://youtu.be/AZKeqH3fkfw (https://youtu.be/AZKeqH3fkfw)
 Ukraine War Bakery Massacre: 28 Killed In Lysychansk (Special Report)
Patrick Lancaster
571K subscribers
   
 
Feb 5, 2024  #Russia #Ukraine
The Ukrainian Massacre at a busy bakery in Russian controlled frontline city of Lysychansk,  where Ukraine fired a purportedly USA supplied HIMARs Rocket, killed 28 civilians and injured 10 more. One of those killed was The head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations of the LPR, Alexey Poteleshchenko. This attack took place on Saturday February 3rd. In the Special Report We speak to the Director of the main hospital in Lugansk about what situation the injured are in now, talk to one of the injured, look in on the several injured that are in serious condition, show you the aftermath of the attack including the emergency worker pulling bodies and injured from underneath the rubble and talk to the locals who all say that the area was just a civilian area where no military forces are.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 06, 2024, 08:11:21 AM
Yah, boo hoo.  Read that earlier...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28)

"terroist attack"

Uhh huh, we'll y'all support terror committed by your pals Iran, your pals China & North Korea too...Mr. Pot!

 ::smallestviolin::

I would rather parade this news in Congress - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine)

Waste of fricken money and resources...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 06, 2024, 12:55:39 PM

The pentagon has failed every audit in recent history. The Ukr weapons are no exception. Just added fraud.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 06, 2024, 02:15:20 PM
Yah, boo hoo.  Read that earlier...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28)

"terroist attack"

Uhh huh, we'll y'all support terror committed by your pals Iran, your pals China & North Korea too...Mr. Pot!

 ::smallestviolin::

I would rather parade this news in Congress - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine)

Waste of fricken money and resources...

The Kiev faction seems very vile to me based on what they say and do, not based on RU propaganda. Here they said they knew the guy had celebrated his previous two birthdays at the bakery so they blew the place up this birthday. Kiev uses the word "collaborator" usually referring to civilian employees of the govt in RU controlled areas.  Here the guy was the head of some emergency response agency.

It might be more accurate to say RU protected areas as they had elections to elect local officials, not people from outside the areas.

I read laws and posts from Kiev govt about how they would punish such people with prison or labor gangs when they retook land. They especially want to punish school teachers. Voting is a criminal offense. I recall some mid level Kiev govt MD who said RU POWs should be castrated at they were cockroaches,not humans. He walked it back a couple days later.

Did you read where the north in the US civil war said they would imprison southern school teachers? Me neither.

Kiev knows most in the US are so ignorant they think Crimea is full of Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian who are occupied and oppressed  by Russians. They go nuts when a single MSNBC reporter asks questions of people in Crimea. They will go nuts over Tucker. US version of Ukr war is so fragile it will be hit hard by an interview of Putin. I read they previously put Tucker on their kill list but took him off real quick.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 06, 2024, 03:06:22 PM

https://t.me/myLordBebo/22097
“The EU is actively working to train Ukrainian police forces to “restore order” in the territories that Kiev intends to seize”

— Borrell
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2024, 08:25:38 AM
Yah, boo hoo.  Read that earlier...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-shells-bakery-us-weapons-kills-28)

"terroist attack"

Uhh huh, we'll y'all support terror committed by your pals Iran, your pals China & North Korea too...Mr. Pot!

 ::smallestviolin::

I would rather parade this news in Congress - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/waste-day-over-1-billion-weapons-missing-ukraine)

Waste of fricken money and resources...

The Kiev faction seems very vile to me based on what they say and do, not based on RU propaganda. Here they said they knew the guy had celebrated his previous two birthdays at the bakery so they blew the place up this birthday. Kiev uses the word "collaborator" usually referring to civilian employees of the govt in RU controlled areas.  Here the guy was the head of some emergency response agency.

It might be more accurate to say RU protected areas as they had elections to elect local officials, not people from outside the areas.

I read laws and posts from Kiev govt about how they would punish such people with prison or labor gangs when they retook land. They especially want to punish school teachers. Voting is a criminal offense. I recall some mid level Kiev govt MD who said RU POWs should be castrated at they were cockroaches,not humans. He walked it back a couple days later.

Did you read where the north in the US civil war said they would imprison southern school teachers? Me neither.

Kiev knows most in the US are so ignorant they think Crimea is full of Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian who are occupied and oppressed  by Russians. They go nuts when a single MSNBC reporter asks questions of people in Crimea. They will go nuts over Tucker. US version of Ukr war is so fragile it will be hit hard by an interview of Putin. I read they previously put Tucker on their kill list but took him off real quick.

Well, call the polite police...and while they're there send some to every other country on the planet...people everywhere saying nasty things about their enemies...I don't get butthurt over that...

I know of nobody saying Crimea is full of oppressed Uke's...it's been annexed...it has to 90% Rus there...and I could care less if they are sad or happy about being ruled by Moscow...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 07, 2024, 08:28:37 AM

https://t.me/myLordBebo/22097
“The EU is actively working to train Ukrainian police forces to “restore order” in the territories that Kiev intends to seize”

— Borrell

Awesome, most likely they'll be used on themselves and nobody else...

In other news, someone is saying Zaluzhny will be made an Ambassador and shuffled off the London...

Zaluzhny is the only competent military leader they have...could hasten the end of this sh!tshow...

(https://images2.imgbox.com/d2/52/B5mjUK1f_o.jpg)H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 07, 2024, 04:03:50 PM

Kiev got real upset when people in Crimea said they were Russian.  Some people in ME counties call themselves Kurds. Does not bother me.

They do have laws listing the nasty things they want to do with so called collaborators. They said the recent bakery attack was to kill 1 or 2 collaborators. I recall they shell civilians in the east to drive out the subhuman ethnic russians. I can learn a lot just by reading and listening.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2024, 08:01:10 AM
Crimea a river...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 08, 2024, 04:01:24 PM

Here is part of the ZDF report from Mariupol. The fact that this is even controversial is amazing. His report is similar to other independent reports I have seen. IMO Kiev wants the world to think that the Russians occupied the poor downtrodden Ukrainians. It was a mostly Russian town which is why the Azov batallion invaded. If you believe the locals, azov terrorized them and shot many for fun.

https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/2606
German ZDF correspondent Armin Kerper arrived in Mariupol and found that the city was alive, there were no restrictions, and people did not at all think that someone had occupied them
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 09, 2024, 02:12:34 PM

https://t.me/myLordBebo/22360
RESHUFFLE: In addition to Zaluzhny, the head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Shaptala, was removed today as well.

The commander of the territorial defense, Bargilevich, was appointed instead.

Also a new head of the ground forces of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has also been appointed, Umerov’s deputy, General Pavlyuk.

https://t.me/myLordBebo/22361
🇺🇦🇷🇺??🚨 Zaluzhny is out, the “butcher” is in!

Even Americans media outlets are aware that the new commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is extremely unpopular in the Ukrainian army due to cruelty and ruthlessness towards his subordinates, whom he sends en masse to death.

“The largest military reshuffle in Ukraine since the full-scale Russian invasion has taken place: President Vladimir Zelensky replaced commander-in-chief General Valery Zaluzhny with former commander-in-chief of the ground forces Alexander Syrsky. Two Ukrainian officials said Zaluzhny's next move was unclear.

He has many offers. There are rumors that he may pose a political challenge to the president. According to media reports, Zaluzhny may also focus on health and teaching.

Syrsky is known for drawing troops into a meat grinder in Bakhmut, sending wave after wave of troops under fire. For this and other reasons, he is extremely unpopular among ordinary Ukrainians.

“A very bad decision,” say the military.

His appointment is unlikely to have a positive impact on Ukraine, as those on the front lines view Syrsky as a dour, Soviet-style general who ruthlessly puts his men in danger.

In the Ukrainian Armed Forces, Syrsky has a terrible nickname:
- “Butcher”
- “General 200”, the code for the dead.

One Ukrainian soldier wrote a message in a group chat of veterans of the Battle of Bakhmut:
“We’re all f**ked.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 09, 2024, 03:58:37 PM


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/34314
Hilarious but true video by Alex from History Legends
or
https://twitter.com/i/status/1755722675165479179
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2024, 01:19:45 PM

I recall Ukr citizens talking on camera about the nearby bio lab. They said busses with poor Ukr people were unloaded for drug trials.
I recall the western govts reports.
First nothing to worry about, just vet medicines.
Later OMG what if the Russians get their hands on this dangerous tech.

https://t.me/geopolitics_live/16143
Western drug trials in Ukraine: bioweapon research in bed with 'Big Pharma'

The Donbass city of Mariupol, where evidence of Western pharmaceutical companies testing drugs on psychiatric ward patients was recently found, was the perfect place to conduct such activities while under Ukraine’s jurisdiction, says Jeff J. Brown, co-founder and curator of the Bioweapon Truth Commission and author of The China Trilogy. (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/06/30/praise-for-the-china-trilogy-the-votes-are-in-it-r-o-c-k-s-what-are-you-waiting-for/)

“This city was under Ukrainian, meaning NATO control, and had over 400,000 inhabitants, so it offered a concentration of hospitals, laboratories and convenient regional flight connections, to more easily coordinate the West’s bioweapon programs across Europe,” Brown notes.

According to him, the “West’s bioweapon development and use around the world is intimately interconnected with Big Pharma, vaccines and the military,” and Ukraine since 2005 “has become a hub for these four facets to merge.”

“Since the destruction of the USSR by the West starting in 1990, Ukraine has become ground central for the West’s global crime cartels: organ harvesting, arms and child/human trafficking, money laundering, prostitution, torture, illegal drug experiments and neo-Nazism. They are all part of a seamless whole and with Ukraine being one of the most corrupt places on earth, there is plenty of local collusion,” Brown notes.

As such, he argues that the West is “committing bioweapons-Big Pharma-vaccine-military crimes against humanity since the end of WWII, and continues to do so with impunity.” Nonetheless, no legal repercussions await the culprits “until the collapse of the West, when the global majority can finally have truth and reconciliation tribunals and a Nuremberg 2.0,” Brown warns.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2024, 01:35:20 PM


Plenty of these going way back.
https://t.me/putingers_cat/8813
Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

Another party in a Ukrainian school with Patron the dog and Nazi songs for the kids.

The lyrics:

"Shevchenko commanded us, do not make love with the Moscals (racist for Russians), make love between the Ukrainians only.

The HIMARS missiles are flying, the Moscal's warehouses are burning, we like that.

Hit the Moscals, they are animals/cattle."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2024, 01:43:13 PM
I find the occasional data on ethnic groups in Ukr interesting. Some people think that most of Ukraine was filled with Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian and Russians "squatted."

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8820

An old poster depicting the Odessa population breakdown from 1894:

1. Russians 188082
2. Jews 112235
3. Poles 13462
4. Germans 8897
5. Greeks 5272
6. French 1129

But wait, something is missing.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2024, 02:05:19 PM


I recall Ukr citizens talking on camera about the nearby bio lab. They said busses with poor Ukr people were unloaded for drug trials.
I recall the western govts reports.
First nothing to worry about, just vet medicines.
Later OMG what if the Russians get their hands on this dangerous tech.

https://t.me/geopolitics_live/16143 (https://t.me/geopolitics_live/16143)
Western drug trials in Ukraine: bioweapon research in bed with 'Big Pharma'

The Donbass city of Mariupol, where evidence of Western pharmaceutical companies testing drugs on psychiatric ward patients was recently found, was the perfect place to conduct such activities while under Ukraine’s jurisdiction, says Jeff J. Brown, co-founder and curator of the Bioweapon Truth Commission and author of The China Trilogy. (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/06/30/praise-for-the-china-trilogy-the-votes-are-in-it-r-o-c-k-s-what-are-you-waiting-for/ (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2018/06/30/praise-for-the-china-trilogy-the-votes-are-in-it-r-o-c-k-s-what-are-you-waiting-for/))

“This city was under Ukrainian, meaning NATO control, and had over 400,000 inhabitants, so it offered a concentration of hospitals, laboratories and convenient regional flight connections, to more easily coordinate the West’s bioweapon programs across Europe,” Brown notes.

According to him, the “West’s bioweapon development and use around the world is intimately interconnected with Big Pharma, vaccines and the military,” and Ukraine since 2005 “has become a hub for these four facets to merge.”

“Since the destruction of the USSR by the West starting in 1990, Ukraine has become ground central for the West’s global crime cartels: organ harvesting, arms and child/human trafficking, money laundering, prostitution, torture, illegal drug experiments and neo-Nazism. They are all part of a seamless whole and with Ukraine being one of the most corrupt places on earth, there is plenty of local collusion,” Brown notes.

As such, he argues that the West is “committing bioweapons-Big Pharma-vaccine-military crimes against humanity since the end of WWII, and continues to do so with impunity.” Nonetheless, no legal repercussions await the culprits “until the collapse of the West, when the global majority can finally have truth and reconciliation tribunals and a Nuremberg 2.0,” Brown warns.

Big pharma is scum? Look at my shocked face!

Another link to a biolab video
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/47303 (https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/47303)
??The Russian city of Mariupol was a testbed for large-scale medical research on local civilians while under Ukrainian rule, a trove of recently discovered documents suggests.

??RT’s Steve Sweeney visited a disused psychiatric ward in the city, which has been undergoing rapid reconstruction after being incorporated into Russia following a referendum in late 2022.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1756996576495485326 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1756996576495485326)

https://www.rt.com/russia/592278-secretive-ukrainian-medical-lab/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/592278-secretive-ukrainian-medical-lab/)
...
In December of last year, a construction team made a shocking discovery at the disused ward, finding documents as well as medication and medical equipment related to secretive research conducted while the city was part of Ukraine.

The experiments took place for years in at least eight medical facilities across Mariupol, with leading Western biotech corporations allegedly benefiting from them, according to the documents.
Ukrainian men denied public healthcare unless they report for draft – media READ MORE: Ukrainian men denied public healthcare unless they report for draft – media

“We’ve found documents that suggested thousands of people have been involved in the experiments, with the trials carried out for major pharmaceutical companies, including Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Sanofi, GlaxoSmithKline, and others. Blood and other samples were collected and then sent to labs and clinics in Europe and the US for testing. The results of which are unknown,” Sweeny explained.

The research was not only conducted on adults, but also on children and babies, the documents suggest. As well as being ethically questionable, the experiments on minors likely made the clinical trials illegal, a Russian doctor told RT on condition of anonymity.

While it’s difficult to track all the participants of the experiments, witnesses are now coming forward with their testimonies about the research. A local man whose mother took part in the trials claimed the research was not safe.

“My mother got sick, they gave her drugs. I asked her what medication she was taking, but she did not give me a clear answer. She said that the drugs were simply given from a white box. Her condition worsened over the course of a month and then she died,” the man told Sweeney.
...
Detailed video. Good. Back to 2013. Numbers of trials given. Worth watching.

https://www.rt.com/russia/592278-secretive-ukrainian-medical-lab/ (https://www.rt.com/russia/592278-secretive-ukrainian-medical-lab/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 12, 2024, 03:42:38 PM

So let's analyze Nuland's response to the question :

Rubio : "Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?"

Nuland : "gasp* Ukraine has...urm...biological research facilities...which infact we're now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking...to...uh...gain control of...so we're working with the Ukrainians on how they can...*gasp*..prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of.....ah.....Russian forces should they approach."

She probably blinked 50 times during the whole sentence.

Why just not say "nope, no weapons"? You do realize that if the roles were reversed and if it was someone from the Kremlin instead of Nuland in a US senate hearing, y'all r/NAFO peeps would claim it as "100% true, they just admitted it", right?
Vote
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 12, 2024, 03:58:57 PM
The labs are all CIA/Pentagon black budget funded and turned over to the locals (it's not just Ukraine it is all over the globe) so "legally" they own them...the black budgets merely fund them...and it's all under the auspices of "defense" not "offensive" purposes so all is well...

I guess...

 :o
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 13, 2024, 08:37:28 AM
Hopefully Speaker Johnson tells Schumer and his buttpuppet brigade of McConnell and the Cucks to stuff their Uke bill up their ass!

Pass HR2 first or go eff yourselves!

Meanwhile, the puppet Z regime is getting more desperate, which will only turn society even more against them and see more try to flee that doomed state...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-anti-conscription-protests-emerge-zelensky-hunts-manpower (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-anti-conscription-protests-emerge-zelensky-hunts-manpower)

If Speaker Johnson is smart, he'll get his hand on as many of those Uke clips he can find of the disintegration of Ukrainian society and contrast them with clips of chaos on the border and ask the corrupt FJB regime, Psycho Schumer and his buttpuppets why they find the crumbling quagmire of Ukraine more important than our own effing border!!!!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 13, 2024, 12:35:33 PM
Not worth watching IMO. Subtitled. PL listens to a bunch of RU soldiers who mostly used to fight for the Kiev side. Asked why. One or two were from Ukr but never served in the Kiev faction.  I think one was in Odessa at the union house incident or heard of it from a friend who was there. 50 people died when their building was set on fire. Maybe in 2014? Some did not like glorifying the Ukr WWII NAZIs. So they had different motivations.

Different reasons. Early in the war Kiev fired a high precision weapon into a RU POW camp, killed lots of POWs and some guards.
One guy said it hit barracks 1 and he was in barracks 7. Another said he was transferred out 2 says before the hit. One mentioned the pervy culture, LGBT+. One said he was from eastern Ukr and the officers were from western Ukr and treated him like a subhuman. I think in this video another said he served in Mariupol and observed lots of AZOV crime and looting. Also civilians were forced into basements and not allowed to leave. Then they announced a green corridor to allow them to leave but shot those who tried.
I knew all the Mariupol stuff.

They were asked what would happen to the locals if Kiev won.silence then a look of maybe horror. Genocide was mentioned. Kiev has been pretty clear what they will do the 'collaborators.'

https://youtu.be/bGBc6Pza3G8
 Bold Ukrainian Soldiers Defect To Russia, Joining The Frontline Battle Against Ukraine!
Patrick Lancaster
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Many Ukrainian soldiers, including officers, have defected to Russia to fight against the Ukraine army on the frontline Underfire in battle.  In a week of huge scandal's and news from Zelensky, Ukraine and Russia including Zelensky firing Ukraine’s military chief Valery Zaluzhny, tucker Carlson interview of Putin and in the wake of 2 of the deadliest attacks by Ukraine on civilians in Donbass ever I bring you this report where I talk to 6 Ukrainian Soldiers who Defected To Russia, Joining The Frontline Battle Against Ukraine. Hear their story of how they ended up part of the Russian Army after defecting from the Ukraine Army. As they say some crossed over and some where captured but they all came to the conclusion that they were fighting for the wrong side before. One is a 25+ year military veteran. They say they are all now part of the Russian army fighting against Ukraine and are happy about it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 14, 2024, 04:30:07 PM

Interesting. Some guy who was a leading ultra nationalist was asked when growing up in Austria, whether his parents called themselves Austrian or Ukrainian. He said Ukrainian did not exist then. Official name was Ruthenians but they called themselves the Rusyns. When Austro-Hungarian empire collapsed they first called themselves Ukrainians in 1918.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8872
Meet Vasyl Stepanovich Kuk (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasyl_Kuk),  a Ukrainian nationalist activist and militant, who was a leader of the OUN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists) (the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) and the last leader of the UPA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army) (the Ukrainian Insurgent Army) following the death of Roman Shushkevich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych).

In this cut, Vasyl Kuk talks about Ukrainians NOT EXISTING prior to 1918, at which time the Austro-Hungarian Empire, on the territory of which he was born in 1913, ceased to exist.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2024, 08:50:30 AM
I'm Ruthenian on the paternal side...know all about the history...lots of Slavic sub-groups then...never heard anybody refer to themselves as Russian, always by the sub-group...probably because they are in the far West of modern day Ukraine...not the more mixed East...

(http://easteurotopo.org/images/regional%20maps%20of%20eastern%20europe/Galicia/Lubomeriae%20et%20Galliciae%20Regni%20Tabula%20Geographica%20%20Gussefeld%201775%20RCIN.jpg)

To the South of Lviv (Lemberg) in Galicia is where my kin came from.  Ruthenians come in 3 groups - those OK with being identified as Russian related, those preferring Ukrainian related and those preferring being just Ruthenian...pretty sure ours were the latter...

Anyway, pick the ruler du juor...they all looked down on the sub-groups...

Might makes right...  SSDD
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2024, 08:54:35 AM
As far as the Tucker criticism (that began before the interview even aired, naturally) they/them only have themselves to blame - see first 90 seconds of this post Putin interview in UAE I believe...

https://youtu.be/mMXikZM_O80

Worst thing you can do to an independent thinking reasonable person is gag them, can them for speaking their mind, spy on them and tell them what to do...

I remember when that universally described an "American"...

Their criticism doesn't mean sh*t, but it certainly identifies them as totalitarians.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 15, 2024, 01:06:01 PM
This is stupefying...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Avdiivka-cut-in-half-600x338.jpg)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/cut-half-russians-avdiivka-is-reinforced-ukrainian-nazi/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/cut-half-russians-avdiivka-is-reinforced-ukrainian-nazi/)

...even a raw recruit should be able to recognize entering a kill box is the dumbest move any army could make...

The Uke leadership from the top down to the platoon must be led by idiots...and idiots using Soviet tactics (shooting the disobedient) to do such insane things.

Yes, lets piss more American taxpayer funds on this and let our own nation be invaded by millions more hostile unassimilating trash...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 16, 2024, 03:50:16 PM

Ukr troops exit fast. NAZI salutes set to Rammstein. What could be better? Plus iron cross(?) on the vehicles? White cross for sure.
https://t.me/inessas1992/6068
Part 2 of this (https://t.me/inessas1992/6066) - looks like the Nazis made it out.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 16, 2024, 04:11:45 PM
This is stupefying...

(https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Avdiivka-cut-in-half-600x338.jpg)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/cut-half-russians-avdiivka-is-reinforced-ukrainian-nazi/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/02/cut-half-russians-avdiivka-is-reinforced-ukrainian-nazi/)

...even a raw recruit should be able to recognize entering a kill box is the dumbest move any army could make...

The Uke leadership from the top down to the platoon must be led by idiots...and idiots using Soviet tactics (shooting the disobedient) to do such insane things.

Yes, lets piss more American taxpayer funds on this and let our own nation be invaded by millions more hostile unassimilating trash...

/

I thought I heard that the new top military guy is throwing AZOV troops into the fray.
Kiev is attacking civilian targets in Russia, a shopping center/mall, in response. A typical reaction when it becomes apparent they are losing.

https://t.me/inessas1992/6054 (https://t.me/inessas1992/6054)
??A jogger stranger is left to console a little boy and his grandmother as they lie wounded, following a strike on Belgorod, Russia by NATO-armed Ukrainian forces.

A woman's 4 month old child lies killed in the stroller.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 17, 2024, 06:17:23 PM
Nothing new, just more public now. Ukr must put up land for sale as a condition for loans?

https://youtu.be/zmreQ-K3Oek
 Zelenskyy Sold Ukraine To US Corporate? Kennedy's Nephew Adds To Russia Explosive Claim | World News
TIMES NOW

4.49M subscribers
 
516,441 views  Jan 18, 2024  #usnews #russiaukrainewar #johnfKennedy
Ukraine is already opening up for big investment, and hand-rubbing has been happening over a potential business bonanza. War-hit Ukraine might not look like a good financial investment, with no end in sight. Kyiv engaged BlackRock and JPMorgan in 2023 to help set up a fund to raise public capital. But has the Russia-Ukraine war created a massive profit opportunity for leading U.S companies?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 19, 2024, 08:12:02 AM
Hope they like owning ash...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 19, 2024, 02:01:44 PM


From Avdeevka 2015 when people lived there. Says 90% want to join the DPR.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8944
Forgotten footage of the way locals in Avdeevka protested the fortification of their town by NATO.

Whom was Ukraine protecting there, against whom?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 19, 2024, 06:01:42 PM


From Avdeevka 2015 when people lived there. Says 90% want to join the DPR.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/8944
Forgotten footage of the way locals in Avdeevka protested the fortification of their town by NATO.

Whom was Ukraine protecting there, against whom?

A twitter version
https://twitter.com/MyLordBebo/status/1759326192488841349
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2024, 08:06:37 AM
So...how about the Sudeten Germans?  Spoke German, German customs...after WWII the victorious allies annulled the German annexation and then at Potsdam the allies (including Russia!) forced all Germans out of their historical homeland...so, there is precedent for telling folks you do not like to GTFO of land within your borders even if you disagree with those borders...

And there are many other examples in history of forced relocations of people...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 20, 2024, 08:10:24 AM
And this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-nato-troops-disguised-mercenaries-control-air-defenses-ukraine (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-says-nato-troops-disguised-mercenaries-control-air-defenses-ukraine)

...isn't much different than Russians in North Vietnam...

Which is why nobody but one General is popping off about it...merely we know you know we know whuppty doo.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2024, 06:49:30 PM

US forces manning the sophisticated weapons like Himars have been speculated about for a long time. Too much training time required.
After WWII ethnic Germans were forced out of many countries including Czech and the Baltics.
Russia imported lots of German farmers to the Volga region long ago to improve Russian agriculture. They had some self governance and spoke German.
I recall there were 30 French killed in the hotel they stayed at.
The Kiev govt said there were no military there then some local said that was BS so they arrested him. Headlines reversed the times and reported he gave away their position before the attack rather than after it was blown up.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 20, 2024, 09:27:52 PM

Very recently Kiev hit Donetsk city again.  155 mm shells hit a pizza parlor and a cross walk. One Himar hit on one side of a library and one on the opposite side.  I think it missed the building proper and blew out the windows. I note the complete lack of US MSM reporting from areas under Russian control. 

All these weapons are from US. I recall the US said that US has to approve all Himars targets. IMO the US is likely operating the Himars. The Himars  are high precision weapons.

One theory is that Kiev wants to provoke Russia to reply in kind to regain sympathy from the west. Russia could destroy downtown Kiev. Back before the 2022 invasion I noted a great deal of spite from the 'ethnically superior' Kiev faction.
I linked to the library crater.
https://youtu.be/VeGqBJSlV3E?t=833

https://youtu.be/VeGqBJSlV3E
 Patrick Lancaster: LIVE from Donetsk - Russia/Ukraine
Judge Napolitano - Judging Freedom
296K subscribers
39,736 views  Streamed live 9 hours ago  #nato #ukraine #ukrainewar
LIVE REPORT:  Ukraine uses NATO / Western supplied weapons to Hammer the civilian population of center Donetsk. Several injured and killed as Ukraine fires western supplied HIMARS rockets and 155mm artillery shells.

All on the tail of Russia making big gains in the capture of the city of Avdeevka (a suburb of Donetsk)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2024, 08:39:44 AM
It can and will only get worse...unless a miracle happens and Trump actually makes it back into the White House and before the current imbeciles don't start WWIII and/or CW2...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2024, 12:00:07 PM

I wondered why Russia did not pump weapons into, say, drug gangs inside the US or MX? US funded the Chechens who bombed Moscow and killed hundreds of Russian school children. Doing such things are well within US published doctrines.

If I were Russia  would supply the Houthis with weapons good enough to sink US or UK ships in the ME. UK has been supplying or even operating lots of surface maritime drones in the black sea.

Plus, after Gaza, there is  a surplus of orphans, widowers and widows bent on revenge against US.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2024, 12:47:37 PM


I had this on this early AM trying to fall back asleep. This guy taught and lived in Lviv for 5 years.
In his opinion, the Ukr diaspora organizations in the west were taken over by ultranationalists. Then many returned after 1991.

Very detailed.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
328,355 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2024, 02:05:11 PM

I wondered why Russia did not pump weapons into, say, drug gangs inside the US or MX? US funded the Chechens who bombed Moscow and killed hundreds of Russian school children. Doing such things are well within US published doctrines.

If I were Russia  would supply the Houthis with weapons good enough to sink US or UK ships in the ME. UK has been supplying or even operating lots of surface maritime drones in the black sea.

Plus, after Gaza, there is  a surplus of orphans, widowers and widows bent on revenge against US.

Pretty sure FJB let them in too if you read the demographics of the invaders...so yet more proof this rogue regime is doing Putin's bidding...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 21, 2024, 02:10:36 PM


I had this on this early AM trying to fall back asleep. This guy taught and lived in Lviv for 5 years.
In his opinion, the Ukr diaspora organizations in the west were taken over by ultranationalists. Then many returned after 1991.

Very detailed.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
328,355 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.

Well, I had a pen pal in Lviv from mid-80's through the 90's and not once did he mention nazis, fascists or any outsider influence...I suspect most of that if it existed was centered further East...he was a commercial pilot flying medium-sized cargo planes...lost track of him and I moved about the same time...suspect he and his wife probably fled to Poland or something when this mess began...didn't seem the lay down his life for nothing kind of guy to me...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 21, 2024, 07:31:14 PM


I had this on this early AM trying to fall back asleep. This guy taught and lived in Lviv for 5 years.
In his opinion, the Ukr diaspora organizations in the west were taken over by ultranationalists. Then many returned after 1991.

Very detailed.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
328,355 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.

Well, I had a pen pal in Lviv from mid-80's through the 90's and not once did he mention nazis, fascists or any outsider influence...I suspect most of that if it existed was centered further East...he was a commercial pilot flying medium-sized cargo planes...lost track of him and I moved about the same time...suspect he and his wife probably fled to Poland or something when this mess began...didn't seem the lay down his life for nothing kind of guy to me...

The professor said things got far right in the 2000s. He got into many details as to the various parties and the AZOV movement vs the AZOV battalion vs other groups. He said that AZOV infiltrated many military groups and networked well. He said they were very good at attaining "cultural hegemony" in infusing the NAZI culture/ideology  into society.
Like I said, complicated and very long. I always wondered why NAZI symbols are often illegal in other countries but not uncommon in Ukraine compared to other places.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2024, 01:43:00 PM


I had this on this early AM trying to fall back asleep. This guy taught and lived in Lviv for 5 years.
In his opinion, the Ukr diaspora organizations in the west were taken over by ultranationalists. Then many returned after 1991.

Very detailed.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
328,355 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.

Well, I had a pen pal in Lviv from mid-80's through the 90's and not once did he mention nazis, fascists or any outsider influence...I suspect most of that if it existed was centered further East...he was a commercial pilot flying medium-sized cargo planes...lost track of him and I moved about the same time...suspect he and his wife probably fled to Poland or something when this mess began...didn't seem the lay down his life for nothing kind of guy to me...

The professor said things got far right in the 2000s. He got into many details as to the various parties and the AZOV movement vs the AZOV battalion vs other groups. He said that AZOV infiltrated many military groups and networked well. He said they were very good at attaining "cultural hegemony" in infusing the NAZI culture/ideology  into society.
Like I said, complicated and very long. I always wondered why NAZI symbols are often illegal in other countries but not uncommon in Ukraine compared to other places.

Well, I have a hard time believing this was organic in Ukraine, especially the Western areas...I just don't believe it.  I have no idea what was going on in the East...when Hitler invaded "Russia" this area was heavily impacted as Hitler wanted to drive to the North and sack cities all the way to Moscow and he wanted to drive South to get Romanian oil and for the latter they had to go through Ukraine...can't imagine Nazi sympathizers just laid low, bred and passed on their ideology to succeeding generations.  Sounds way to purposely planted to me and for all I know anybody could have done it for a myriad of reasons but probably aimed at the same thing - to destabilize the area for future exploitation by somebody else...fodder for some power center to use directly or for exploitation and propaganda.  Not seeing any evidence of genesis and purpose I remain highly skeptical of any ever-present organic source.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2024, 01:45:35 PM
Now, this looks real and in-line with the panic button being repeatedly hammered...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-opens-ukraines-national-guard-foreigners-amid-severe-manpower-crisis (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-opens-ukraines-national-guard-foreigners-amid-severe-manpower-crisis)

...throw yourselves into the meatgrinder and prove how sick of living you are...

 ::)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 02:16:27 PM

The bold parts sound familiar to some videos I saw about 1918 Ukr attempts at 4 different nations. Especially "romantic individuals."  RU people on videos say they are the same as Ukr and Ukr people on videos say are almost a different race. The whole Ukr nationalism seems recent and kinda fake. They are hopelessly intermingled. Some professor gave a history and said the nationalism really took off in the 2000s.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/9008 (https://t.me/putingers_cat/9008)
Here is a link (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/ (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/)
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/2023/1948%20Policy%20Planning%20Staff%20paper%20re%20Ukraine.pdf
2023/1948%20Policy%20Planning%20Staff%20paper%20re%20Ukraine.pdf) to a Policy Paper on Ukraine of the US State Department from 1948, archived at the Foreign Affairs website. Fascinating reading, how times have changed.

A couple of excerpts:

There is no clear dividing line between Russia and the Ukraine. and it would be impossible to establish one. The cities in Ukrainian territory have been predominantly Russian and Jewish. The real basis of “Ukrainianism” is the feeling of “difference” produced by a specific peasant dialect and by minor differences of custom and folklore throughout the country districts. The political agitation on the surface is largely the work of a few romantic intellectuals, who have little concept of the responsibilities of government.

…The economy of Ukraine is inextricably intertwined with that of Russia as a whole. There has never been any economic separation since the territory was conquered, from the nomadic Tatars and developed for purposes of a sedentary population. To attempt to carve it out of the Russian economy and set it up as something separate would be as artificial and destructive as an attempt to separate the Corn Belt, including the Great Lakes industrial area, from the economy of the United States…

…the people who speak the Ukrainian dialect have been split, like those who speak the White Russian dialect, by a division which in eastern Europe has always been the real mark of nationality: namely, religion. If any real border can be drawn in the Ukraine, it should logically be the border between the areas which traditionally give religious allegiance to the Eastern Church and those who give it to the Church of Rome…
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 02:24:28 PM
...

Well, I have a hard time believing this was organic in Ukraine, especially the Western areas...I just don't believe it.  I have no idea what was going on in the East...when Hitler invaded "Russia" this area was heavily impacted as Hitler wanted to drive to the North and sack cities all the way to Moscow and he wanted to drive South to get Romanian oil and for the latter they had to go through Ukraine...can't imagine Nazi sympathizers just laid low, bred and passed on their ideology to succeeding generations.  Sounds way to purposely planted to me and for all I know anybody could have done it for a myriad of reasons but probably aimed at the same thing - to destabilize the area for future exploitation by somebody else...fodder for some power center to use directly or for exploitation and propaganda.  Not seeing any evidence of genesis and purpose I remain highly skeptical of any ever-present organic source.

Russia hatred was organic in the west. The prof said that the NAZI stuff took off in the 2000s thanks to mostly the Ukr diaspora from the west whose organizations were taken over by far right in the west. This was mostly not a continuation from WWII as Ritter said.

Diaspora are a time capsule. The preserve the old country they left. E.g. some towns in WI celebrate Norway around 1850 and dress like that. That amuses modern  Norwegians who find it goofy. Ukr NAZIs who fled to Canada in 1945 returned as the same. There are some places in the US that have statues of Stepan Bandera.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2024, 02:38:20 PM

The bold parts sound familiar to some videos I saw about 1918 Ukr attempts at 4 different nations. Especially "romantic individuals."  RU people on videos say they are the same as Ukr and Ukr people on videos say are almost a different race. The whole Ukr nationalism seems recent and kinda fake. They are hopelessly intermingled. Some professor gave a history and said the nationalism really took off in the 2000s.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/9008 (https://t.me/putingers_cat/9008)
Here is a link (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/ (https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/)
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/sites/default/files/public_file/2023/1948%20Policy%20Planning%20Staff%20paper%20re%20Ukraine.pdf
2023/1948%20Policy%20Planning%20Staff%20paper%20re%20Ukraine.pdf) to a Policy Paper on Ukraine of the US State Department from 1948, archived at the Foreign Affairs website. Fascinating reading, how times have changed.

A couple of excerpts:

There is no clear dividing line between Russia and the Ukraine. and it would be impossible to establish one. The cities in Ukrainian territory have been predominantly Russian and Jewish. The real basis of “Ukrainianism” is the feeling of “difference” produced by a specific peasant dialect and by minor differences of custom and folklore throughout the country districts. The political agitation on the surface is largely the work of a few romantic intellectuals, who have little concept of the responsibilities of government.

…The economy of Ukraine is inextricably intertwined with that of Russia as a whole. There has never been any economic separation since the territory was conquered, from the nomadic Tatars and developed for purposes of a sedentary population. To attempt to carve it out of the Russian economy and set it up as something separate would be as artificial and destructive as an attempt to separate the Corn Belt, including the Great Lakes industrial area, from the economy of the United States…

…the people who speak the Ukrainian dialect have been split, like those who speak the White Russian dialect, by a division which in eastern Europe has always been the real mark of nationality: namely, religion. If any real border can be drawn in the Ukraine, it should logically be the border between the areas which traditionally give religious allegiance to the Eastern Church and those who give it to the Church of Rome…

Intellectuals...  Snort!

As for "Catholic" there are sub-groups there...but bottom line you are saying a division pretty much following the Dnieper...

But doesn't matter...under all the current actors all that will happen is the meatgrinder goes on...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 22, 2024, 03:14:38 PM
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Well, I have a hard time believing this was organic in Ukraine, especially the Western areas...I just don't believe it.  I have no idea what was going on in the East...when Hitler invaded "Russia" this area was heavily impacted as Hitler wanted to drive to the North and sack cities all the way to Moscow and he wanted to drive South to get Romanian oil and for the latter they had to go through Ukraine...can't imagine Nazi sympathizers just laid low, bred and passed on their ideology to succeeding generations.  Sounds way to purposely planted to me and for all I know anybody could have done it for a myriad of reasons but probably aimed at the same thing - to destabilize the area for future exploitation by somebody else...fodder for some power center to use directly or for exploitation and propaganda.  Not seeing any evidence of genesis and purpose I remain highly skeptical of any ever-present organic source.

Russia hatred was organic in the west. The prof said that the NAZI stuff took off in the 2000s thanks to mostly the Ukr diaspora from the west whose organizations were taken over by far right in the west. This was mostly not a continuation from WWII as Ritter said.

Diaspora are a time capsule. The preserve the old country they left. E.g. some towns in WI celebrate Norway around 1850 and dress like that. That amuses modern  Norwegians who find it goofy. Ukr NAZIs who fled to Canada in 1945 returned as the same. There are some places in the US that have statues of Stepan Bandera.

Well, Bandera gained more fame in death than he ever achieved in life...was always in the fringe, most people in "Ukraine" ignorant of him...but, since Poland & Germany principally did the same I guess that is where the seeds of fascism came from...and if some ignorant desperate fools chose to elevate him as a national hero, well, not like others still regard their past despots well - Russians still look fondly on its past rulers, Mongols still honor The Great Kahn, etc etc...people can argue they chose a poor hero, personally I would have gone with Taras Shevchenko & Mykhailo Drahomanov for someone "modern"...but whatever.  A people so dominated by others have few "nationalist" heroes.  And if one wanted to make a name for themselves they had to pick a neighboring host.  The most famous military leader from central Ukraine with ethnic Ukranian Cossak blood was Russian Imperial Field Marshal Ivan Fyodorovich Paskevich who served in the Napoleonic Wars through the Crimean War of 1853-1856, though an injury forced him to relive himself of command and he dies in 1870 and his line and title as a Count died when his only son died in 1903.  Can't really pick a loyalist to Russia as your national hero.  Such is the misery of an oppressed people never allowed to truly be independent and unmolested.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 03:16:37 PM
I remember the romantic individuals part from an earlier video citing some history book. I recall that the peasants only related to their village and nothing beyond. They were mostly illiterate in any language, The west might have been catholic Polish landlords and Slav peasants.

What happens is I watched telegram videos where troops from the Kiev faction say they are a different race from the slavs who say they are the same race. So every once in a while I come across something to support one view or another. I read that Russian speakers were hung from trees in Lviv in 1915. So the Russia hatred goes way back but not a consistent NAZI lineage, except where thy escaped to Canada/US around 1945  then returned..

I find some historical reasons for things interesting. Why are Scots - Irish over represented in US military brass? Why did women in new England seem to wear different colors when I traveled?


My brother knew a couple from lviv in Chicago who spoke Polish and Russian. They  said Russian was a professional language needed to advance. They feared a civil war thanks to the nationalists and got out. Languages of empire are useful, like English.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 03:20:53 PM

I recall that professor on "dispatches" with Rania Khalek said that Bandera was only pushed much later, maybe in 2000s. This nationalism seems only pushed much later but after USSR fall.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 06:11:56 PM

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/88697
Ukrainian authorities are urgently renaming the streets of Avdeevka before surrendering the city

While battles are raging in Avdeevka, and Commander-in-Chief Syrsky is disposing of his brigades in a pointless defense, Kiev is renaming the city streets in honor of the Nazis. Local public pages write that streets named after Russian writers and generals are now changing their names to the names of Bandera’s heroes.

“We are a little shocked that our authorities now find time for this when the city is essentially destroyed! Now this was clearly “not for an hour,” but they did it for some reason, without making this information available to the general public,” Ukrainians write on social networks.

Kiev took dubious actions, apparently designed to raise the morale of ideological Ukronazis. There is no doubt that after the liberation of the city, it will return to its old names, especially since Kiev officials are unlikely to go to the combat zone with new street signs and put on new boards.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 06:46:46 PM


minor humor. Some people go a little nuts about the Ukr Language
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/8288

🇺🇦 Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

Absolutely hilarious 😂

Another Ukrainian patriot confuses a random man's car with a taxi and starts bitching about him speaking Russian and not Ukrainian.

"You must speak to me in the government approved language!!

- Are you a nutso? Why are you in my car??"

The conversation that followed is epic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 07:24:33 PM


15 min. US will send ATACM missiles will be sent with twice the range.
Mark Sleboda confirms that himars used are controlled by US intel. He says it is for reasons of spite that civilian targets are selected. Spite has been my best reason when I see Kiev social media posts.
I cannot remember my western sources for US controlling Himars.

https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/desperate-western-moves-to-send-new?r=mra7c&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&open=false

Mark is former USN nuke. London School of Econ grad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 22, 2024, 07:38:54 PM

many sources have confirmed that Kiev was ready to stop fighting and sign an agreement with Moscow but Kiev has never confirmed this. Now a Zelensky aide David Arakhamia has confirmed this. Boris Johnson flew in and convinced Kev to scuttle the tentative deal.  This is from late 2023 so old.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9177 (https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9177)
TV channel 1+1  ???



 https://thehill.com/policy/international/4459283-boris-johnson-calls-tucker-carlson-a-traitor-for-putin-interview/ (https://thehill.com/policy/international/4459283-boris-johnson-calls-tucker-carlson-a-traitor-for-putin-interview/)

[IMO yahoo news is very sloppy but they had some quotes]
https://news.yahoo.com/head-ukraines-leading-party-claims-205150773.html (https://news.yahoo.com/head-ukraines-leading-party-claims-205150773.html)
Quote: "First, in order to agree to this point, it is necessary to change the Constitution. Our path to NATO is written in the Constitution.

Secondly, there was no confidence in the Russians that they would do it. This could only be done if there were security guarantees. We could not sign something, step away, everyone would relax there, and then they would [invade] even more prepared – because they have, in fact, gone in unprepared for such a resistance. Therefore, we could only explore this route when there is absolute certainty that this will not happen again. There is no such certainty.

Moreover, when we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we would not sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight."

Details: At the same time, Arakhamiia denied that the Ukrainian delegation was ready to sign such a document, and that Johnson forced Kyiv’s hand.

According to Arakhamiia, the delegation did not even have the legal right to sign anything – this could only theoretically happen at a meeting of Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin.

Arakhamiia added that Western partners knew about the negotiations and saw drafts of documents, but did not attempt to make a decision for Ukraine, but rather gave advice.

"They actually advised us not to go into ephemeral security guarantees [with the Russians – ed.], which could not have been given at that time at all," said Arakhamiia, who headed the negotiating delegation.

[in Ukr language]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 08:16:18 AM
I remember the romantic individuals part from an earlier video citing some history book. I recall that the peasants only related to their village and nothing beyond. They were mostly illiterate in any language, The west might have been catholic Polish landlords and Slav peasants.

What happens is I watched telegram videos where troops from the Kiev faction say they are a different race from the slavs who say they are the same race. So every once in a while I come across something to support one view or another. I read that Russian speakers were hung from trees in Lviv in 1915. So the Russia hatred goes way back but not a consistent NAZI lineage, except where thy escaped to Canada/US around 1945  then returned..

I find some historical reasons for things interesting. Why are Scots - Irish over represented in US military brass? Why did women in new England seem to wear different colors when I traveled?


My brother knew a couple from lviv in Chicago who spoke Polish and Russian. They  said Russian was a professional language needed to advance. They feared a civil war thanks to the nationalists and got out. Languages of empire are useful, like English.

As I said many times...the locals in the West where my ties go were kept down by whomever conquered the land...they've been peasants literally from day one...from latter day Austro-Hungarian rule times which my paternal lineage experiences comes is a recent example - the nobles ruled, the middle-management of day to day functions in oblasts and cities fell to lesser Polish Lords and their vassals (mercantile class)...hence the confusion in our family about origins - area in Galicia dominated by Ruthenians that some lazily called Ukrainians in land part of the Austro-Hungarian empire and managed by Poles...and family here said our ancestor from this area spoke Polish...so for many years we thought we were Polish...but that is what the administrating Poles demanded the locals to speak.  It wasn't until years later, my research confirmed by my pen pal who travelled town to town searching records and talking to locals that we discovered the truth of his Ruthenian origin...which makes perfect sense...why would somebody not a serf strike out alone on foot at 11 years old to Hamburg and board a ship bound for America?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 08:19:23 AM

I recall that professor on "dispatches" with Rania Khalek said that Bandera was only pushed much later, maybe in 2000s. This nationalism seems only pushed much later but after USSR fall.

Perpetual foreign overlords and suppression of language...and lack of better heroes that comes with it...one could argue if not for that perhaps they would have had a better hero to promote...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 08:26:09 AM


15 min. US will send ATACM missiles will be sent with twice the range.
Mark Sleboda confirms that himars used are controlled by US intel. He says it is for reasons of spite that civilian targets are selected. Spite has been my best reason when I see Kiev social media posts.
I cannot remember my western sources for US controlling Himars.

https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/desperate-western-moves-to-send-new?r=mra7c&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&open=false

Mark is former USN nuke. London School of Econ grad.

So, an American in Moscow commenting on a TASS report...basically agreeing with it...

OK.  Info seems lifted from a SVR assessment, not saying it is incorrect...just an observation.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 08:30:46 AM

many sources have confirmed that Kiev was ready to stop fighting and sign an agreement with Moscow but Kiev has never confirmed this. Now a Zelensky aide David Arakhamia has confirmed this. Boris Johnson flew in and convinced Kev to scuttle the tentative deal.  This is from late 2023 so old.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9177 (https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9177)
TV channel 1+1  ???



 https://thehill.com/policy/international/4459283-boris-johnson-calls-tucker-carlson-a-traitor-for-putin-interview/ (https://thehill.com/policy/international/4459283-boris-johnson-calls-tucker-carlson-a-traitor-for-putin-interview/)

[IMO yahoo news is very sloppy but they had some quotes]
https://news.yahoo.com/head-ukraines-leading-party-claims-205150773.html (https://news.yahoo.com/head-ukraines-leading-party-claims-205150773.html)
Quote: "First, in order to agree to this point, it is necessary to change the Constitution. Our path to NATO is written in the Constitution.

Secondly, there was no confidence in the Russians that they would do it. This could only be done if there were security guarantees. We could not sign something, step away, everyone would relax there, and then they would [invade] even more prepared – because they have, in fact, gone in unprepared for such a resistance. Therefore, we could only explore this route when there is absolute certainty that this will not happen again. There is no such certainty.

Moreover, when we returned from Istanbul, Boris Johnson came to Kyiv and said that we would not sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight."

Details: At the same time, Arakhamiia denied that the Ukrainian delegation was ready to sign such a document, and that Johnson forced Kyiv’s hand.

According to Arakhamiia, the delegation did not even have the legal right to sign anything – this could only theoretically happen at a meeting of Volodymyr Zelenskyy and Vladimir Putin.

Arakhamiia added that Western partners knew about the negotiations and saw drafts of documents, but did not attempt to make a decision for Ukraine, but rather gave advice.

"They actually advised us not to go into ephemeral security guarantees [with the Russians – ed.], which could not have been given at that time at all," said Arakhamiia, who headed the negotiating delegation.

[in Ukr language]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts)

Seems he is falling back on Z...but somebody got to Z and that somebody was BoJo...I guess.  So muddled by everybody scrambling to cover their asses.  But whatever, bottom line it's Z's call...he can try to blame somebody else but he's the fricken one calling the shots for Ukraine!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 09:06:24 AM
In other news...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nato-troops-are-operating-ukraine-disguised-mercenaries-russian-general-claims (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nato-troops-are-operating-ukraine-disguised-mercenaries-russian-general-claims)

Sucks to be them.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-1-10-europeans-think-ukraine-can-win-war-pessimism-sets (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/only-1-10-europeans-think-ukraine-can-win-war-pessimism-sets)

That's worth throwing more lives, funds and weapons away on...

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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 23, 2024, 04:00:21 PM
FJB announces more sanctions that have little effect unless a target leaves Russia for somewhere willing to do anything about it...

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/23/biden-new-russia-sanctions-navalny-death-00142894 (https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/23/biden-new-russia-sanctions-navalny-death-00142894)

Empty PR...and the GoebbelsMedia claps like captive seals...

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-it-shot-down-another-large-russian-spy-plane (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-says-it-shot-down-another-large-russian-spy-plane)

...about the only successes the Uke's have is reducing their A-50U/M fleet down to 1 and damaging some ships around Sevastopol, Berdiansk, Snake Island, Novorossiysk & central Black Sea (notably the Moskva)...in addition to damaging the bridge to Kerch & hitting (half?) the naval aircraft at Saky airbase on Crimea...

Other than that they've got nothing to crow about...Russia still controls everything it invaded/captured and dominates the Black Sea.

And no number of more billions is going to change it.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 23, 2024, 05:14:04 PM


I don't have any empathy for Russian oligarchs as they likely got their money in a scummy fashion.
Still, the anti Russian sanction seems not legal. If I am a rich Russian does it matter if Putin is trying ti kill me or I am his buddy? Is it just Russian citizenship? 

They found some EU lawyers who said it was OK to seize Russian bank assets and give them to Ukraine. They cited "international law." The lawyers also said it would be illegal for Russia to retaliate in kind. I would like to see that law.

I think the banking system is on shaky ground once they start this crap. Will a country seize Israeli assets just because Gaza?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 25, 2024, 03:40:13 PM


Just skimming the headlines it seems that the western MSM reporting has changed.Pessimistic. Also there is a link in the link with a video on the 3 km pipe used to sneak into Adveeka.

https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/avdeevka-denouement-russian-momentum

Also Alex of the duran summarized recent US statements. Perhaps nastier acts like attacking Russia proper or ship may be planned called "asymmetric warfare," V Nuland said surprises are planned.

I read some long write up that said Ukr may have tricked RU into shooting its own A-50.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 26, 2024, 08:47:14 AM
Here's the question of the day - Why is the propaganda organ of the DOJ/Amerikan KGB throwing fellow DeepState IC (and by extension the Pentagon) under the bus?

On Sunday The New York Times published an explosive and very belated full admission that US intelligence has not only been instrumental in Ukraine wartime decision-making, but has established and financed high tech command-and-control spy centers, and was doing so long prior to the Feb. 24 Russian invasion of two years ago.

Among the biggest revelations is that the program was established a decade ago and spans three different American presidents. The Times says the CIA program to modernize Ukraine's intelligence services has "transformed" the former Soviet state and its capabilities into "Washington’s most important intelligence partners against the Kremlin today."

This has included the agency having secretly trained and equipped Ukrainian intelligence officers spanning back to just after the 2014 Maidan coup events, as well constructing a network of 12 secret bases along the Russian border—work which began eight years ago. These intelligence bases, from which Russian commanders' communications can be swept up and Russian spy satellites monitored, are being used launch and track cross-border drone and missile attacks on Russian territory.
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A stunning admission: "Tiptoeing Around Trump"

Among the most interesting and curious moments of the NYT report is a description of the CIA program's expanse under the Trump administration. The report suggests that the true scope may have even been hidden from Trump. The Russian hawks in his administration quietly did the 'dirty work', we are told.
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The report then emphasizes, "But whatever Trump said and did, his administration often went in the other direction. This is because Trump had put Russia hawks in key positions, including Mike Pompeo as CIA director and John Bolton as national security adviser."
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-built-12-secret-spy-bases-ukraine-waged-shadow-war-last-decade-bombshell-nyt (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/cia-built-12-secret-spy-bases-ukraine-waged-shadow-war-last-decade-bombshell-nyt)

I would submit this is a desperate diversion for a second Trump term to focus on the hardest DeepState target - the IC.  But, no DeepState organ and its bureaucrats should be sparred a much needed gutting!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 26, 2024, 11:43:41 AM

I am in the part of the book where the Stakhanovite movement is described. About some coal miner who set production records. The history is complicated.

Here in this inspirational/propaganda video Stakhanov  is mentioned.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/48160

??The video clip describes the real events that took place in July 2014 at the Luganskoye Mine Administration.

??In those hot days, the current capital of the Lugansk People's Republic was surrounded by Ukrainian neo-Nazi punitive battalions trying to restore the so-called “constitutional order” and forcefully suppress the people's militia of Donbass.

??The Ukrainian forces brought heavy artillery near Lugansk and started firing. Looking at how his home and his land were destroyed, the brave miner, foremost worker Sasha “Bely” promised to destroy the Ukrainian Nazis at any cost.

??"Miner". Lyrics and music — Roman Razum
Scriptwriter, director, editor — Roman Razum
Camerawoman — Alena Razum
Video production — film studio "Lugafilm".

??The video was filmed with the support of the Cossack Media Group and the Rodina Production Center.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 26, 2024, 12:07:29 PM
Judge Nap brought up some US AF guy who set himself on fire in front of Israeli embassy to protest Gaza. Fmr CIA Larry Johnson said he found it in Telegram but not in any MSM except for NY Post.

That is why I use telegram. There are feeds for all sorts of view points. I like Lord Bebo and also Putingers Cat which has politics plus cat videos.

Here is one 8 freight cars of grain dumped along RR tracks.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/23888

Cat video
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9078
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 26, 2024, 06:21:10 PM


https://twitter.com/kylenabecker/status/1761918762368872755
Zelensky is high on more than life in this recent MSNBC interview.   

Is Ukraine aid going up Zelensky's nose?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2024, 09:03:51 AM
Can't have a sh!tshow without a lot of sh!t...

(https://media.gab.com/cdn-cgi/image/width=1704,quality=100,fit=scale-down/system/media_attachments/files/159/659/344/original/a027e40c971a9c28.png)H/T-CTH
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 12:31:20 PM

I heard that maybe Macron proposed EU war bonds. Alex of Duran said bonds require a revenue stream i.e. EU taxes. The ramp up tax then use it to raise an EU army. EU is panicking.

Stoltenberg(?) of NATO proposed putting troops on the ground inside of Ukraine?
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WHY did the NYT print a story on several CIA bases along the RU border and operations inside RU?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2024, 01:08:56 PM
Want to save their own butts...and those of DOJ...silly bastards...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 01:42:33 PM

Macron called a meeting of 20 nation's leaders.
Hmmmm.
https://youtu.be/EtkS5bRC8_I
Macron is freaking out over Ukraine collapse
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 01:55:49 PM


I think is the guy they refer to Tom Luongo
http://goldgoatsnguns.com/ (http://goldgoatsnguns.com/)

Money politics
Date: February 20, 2024Author: Tom Luongo 3 Comments   

After a mostly peaceful Security Conference in Munich over the weekend, Estonian Prime Minister Katja Kallas let the real purpose of all the recent hysteria over Ukraine funding out of the proverbial bag — Eurobonds.

Kallas was handed the bully pulpit to make the argument for $110 billion in Eurobonds be issued by the EU Commission to spend on arming Europe for the future and supporting Ukraine. It just sounds like more of the same that we’ve heard for two years now. More money for Ukraine. More war spending.

But this is a far more complex and nuanced issue than just making sure the West fights Russia to the last Ukrainian. This is ultimately about shoring up the EU’s fundamental weakness. It is an economic bloc with a common currency whose political authority is mostly powerless to control the value of that currency.

For this reason the EU leadership, nominally Davosian in their agenda, has been working their political machine towards giving the EU Commission that power through bond issuance and a centralized taxing mechanism.

They did this after COVID with their SURE Bonds, which they issued in 2020 to legitimize this process. I covered this in a long article in October last year when this very issue came up. Then ECB President Christine Lagarde made it public that they want to create a Eurobond Index to give these SURE bonds greater visibility in the vain hope someone will buy the next round of them.

    There is also a major push happening offscreen for these bonds to become indexed next to everyone else’s, i.e. to more easily sell them to Muppet investors, through the imprimatur of them being official and backed by the full faith and credit of the EC. Of course, the initial investors in them have lost their ass as the bulk of them were issued when the ECB was at -0.6%. (See Here).

    The ECB just held rates at 4.5%. The bond math doesn’t work. So, the EU got the last big lot of blood and treasure after the COVID operation from its investor class, who are now sitting on massive losses. Some of these investors, of course, were the member central banks themselves.

    Don’t believe me? A €7 billion 0.1% coupon SURE bond maturing in October of 2040 is now trading at a yield of 3.867%. Now that doesn’t look so bad until you grep the price of that bond, which is trading with a bid/ask spread of 0.54/0.55… or a 45% loss.

This particular SURE bond has recovered in price back to around $0.61, after one of the biggest rallies in sovereign debt markets in history to end 2023. But that’s also just the quoted price. There is no price discovery on these, as there’s only on trade a week actually happening in Frankfurt where these things are listed.

They aren’t a market. They are, however, a massive political tool. Because they gave the EU Commission the ability to levy taxes to pay the 0.1% coupon on them. It’s the government tax and spend equivalent of “just the tip.” It’s only a small surcharge on your grocery bill… or whatever.

One problem is that the initial investors in these things are still sitting on 40% losses. If the first round are selling at a 40 to 50% discount what coupon are they going to have to offer to get anyone to buy the next round? nd it’s part of the reason why there is such urgency to get central banks to lower rates.

The EU can’t afford to raise the capital it needs to complete its fiscal integration plans with the ECB forced up to 4.5% to keep pace with Powell’s FED. They need these rates back near zero to fund their grand dreams of a hydrocarbon-free totalitarian future.

As always, this underscores the point I’ve been making for two-plus years now that Powell’s “higher for longer” rate policy is squeezing not just the European banking system but also it’s political objectives.

None of this is remotely sustainable at 5.5%. And for anyone who thinks the US is more vulnerable to this than the EU is, I invite you to explain that to me in grave detail with the dollar having drank nearly all of the euro’s milkshake in global trade over the past two years.

I’ll wait.
From SURE to War

The fate of these SURE bonds and all future EC bond issuances hangs in the balance here. In fact, the future of the EU itself hangs in the balance. And that’s why I was contacted by Sputnik News yesterday to give my thoughts on this subject.

    “Eurobonds are the Holy Grail for European integration,” Tom Luongo, financial and geopolitical analyst, told Sputnik. “PM Kallas is telling you what the plan is. The EU’s Achilles’ heel is the euro itself and its lack of central taxing authority.”

    “Eurobonds, issued through the European Commission, of this type are another way of handing that authority to Brussels, bypassing member state central banks and legislatures,” he added.

    “If one was cynical, which I am, one would suspect that the EU’s support for the war in Ukraine was mostly driven by this desire to centralize power in Brussels,” Luongo argued. “You start a war in Ukraine by purposefully crossing Russia’s red lines, drive inflation up locally, and empty the military coffers of all the post-WWII weapons and ammunition that is now outdated. (…) If you are losing, as you are now, you play up the threat of Russia not stopping at Ukraine to justify shifting your domestic spending to a military build-up, issuing Eurobonds to pay for it.”

This plan for war bonds was shepherded by the usual suspects for EU militarization, French President Emmanuel Macron and EU President Charles Michel. And I want to stress here that nothing about this project is economic. It is purely political. They will expend whatever political capital they must to force this outcome on the people of Europe.

To folks like Macron, Michel, Ursula Von der Leyen and their bosses, European bourgeoisie and proletariats alike are just tax cattle. No wonder they are so against them eating beef.

So, let’s connect another couple of dots. Because now it should be obvious that this is why they threatened Hungary’s Viktor Orban with economic devastation for holding up their $50 billion aid package for Ukraine.

They need to keep Ukraine going to justify now spending another $100+ billion to launder into failing French and German banks sitting on massive losses from all the debt they bought during the NIRP (Negative Interest Rate Policy) period.

This is just the beginning of their plans for transferring sovereignty out of the hands of the member states and handing it to Brussels. But to sell this to global investors they have to prove to the world they have all the wayward voices under control.

Sovereign debt is secured through taxation and the productive capacity of the population. At this point the EU has neither.
NATO Forever

Now when I think about what all the principle players have been harping about for the past couple of weeks the common theme was NATO uber alles. This was echoed by everyone from President Biden at his latest press conference and Vice President Harris at Munich, to Hillary Clinton, clearly on more than a proof of life tour.

We had Alexei Navalny’s death used to raise money for war. Reports of Russia shooting US satellites out of orbit. Locusts!

It never stops with these people. There’s always a convenient Russian or Chinese bogeyman lurking behind every headline. But the underlying theme is to keep the money flowing into NATO. Trump’s comments on standing aside if Putin attacked a NATO country that didn’t pay its way were used by all of them to breathlessly support MOAR NATO.

But, in the end, this is just about the exercise of raw power against domestic populations. Putin and his army are no more a threat to Berlin than they are a threat to Kiev at this point.

NATO, and the plans to morph it into a global police force under UN control, is the reason for all of this. Europe wants the US to be a vassal after spending itself to death fighting the phantom menace of Putin. Eurobonds are the real story.

The rest is just noise.

N.B. As always, I will publish everything I sent to Sputnik News for the sake of transparency

Sputnik: The EU needs to work on a plan to issue $107.8 billion in eurobonds to boost the continent’s defense industry, and in the meantime do more to get weapons to Ukraine, Estonian Prime Minister Kaja Kallas told Bloomberg in an interview at the Munich Security Conference on Sunday. “We are in a place where we need to invest more and [explore] what we can do together, because the bonds that would be issued by separate countries individually are too small to scale up,” she said. “Eurobonds could have a much bigger impact.”
What is your overall opinion on this idea and its potential effectiveness?

Eurobonds are the Holy Grail for European integration.  PM Kallas is telling you what the plan is.  The EU’s Achilles’ heel is the euro itself and its lack of central taxing authority.  Eurobonds, issued through the European Commission, of this type are another way of handing that authority to Brussels, bypassing member state central banks and legislatures.

If one was cynical, which I am, one would suspect that the EU’s support for the war in Ukraine was mostly driven by this desire to centralize power in Brussels.  You start a war in Ukraine by purposefully crossing Russia’s red lines, drive inflation up locally, and empty the military coffers of all the post-WWII weapons and ammunition that is now outdated.  If you win the war it’s great.  Russia’s been subjugated and a new colonial frontier opens up for Europe to grab the collateral needed for the next iteration of Imperial Europe.

If you are losing, as you are now, you play up the threat of Russia not stopping at Ukraine to justify shifting your domestic spending to a military buildup, issuing Eurobonds to pay for it.  The EU Commission has to be given direct taxing authority to guarantee the bonds to investors.  Their SURE bonds, issued after COVID-19, were the first proof of this mechanism.

This is why they were so angry with Viktor Orban over blocking Ukraine aid.  It legitimizes their central authority to guarantee to investors they can impose their will on EU members. while keeping Ukraine on financial life support to justify re-arming Europe.
While funding for Ukraine remains at a standstill in the US Congress, the EU appears to be heading towards accumulating more debt. What sort of risks does this method of joint borrowing pose for European countries? What anticipated and unforeseen consequences do you expect?

The risks are mostly political for the people of Europe.  Because it means that if you think that things are out of control in Brussels now, just wait when you are paying taxes directly to the EU Commission.  What you saw over the past month with Orban was a warning to the rest of the EU.  There is no partnership here, there is only the exercise of raw power from the central authority.

By putting these words into the mouth of a rabid Russophobe like Estonia’s PM Kallas it’s meant to shame the rest of the EU to go along with this.  What’s left of national sovereignty in Europe will die if the EU Commission continues getting these special bond issuances, €100 billion at a time.

While everyone was at Munich this past weekend talking about their ‘sacred commitment’ to NATO, the reality is that proposals like this will eventually blow apart NATO.  NATO in the mind of the Eurocrats and globalists in DC is a precursor to a global police force administered by the United Nations.  The more these people push for total integration of military, regulatory, political and economic cohesion, the more they will alienate the people they are trying to subjugate.
With Europe having its industries severely impacted by the financial crisis and many of them relocating their production, to what extent can this eurobonds strategy boost the continent’s defense industry? Is it wishful thinking by the Estonian Prime Minister?

It’s not wishful thinking on her part, it’s part of the process the laid out on the proverbial whiteboard in Brussels.  Europe embarked on a very dangerous path by purposefully gutting their domestic economies through COVID lockdowns to get the first round of Eurobonds agreed to.  Now they are using the phantom threat of a Russian invasion to get the second round issued.

The incipient inflation and overly strong euro as a currency is pushing their industries offshore as a result.  But that is, again, part of the strategy.  Because for every BASF plant built in the US, what comes with it are the strings of EU regulations which the local and federal governments must adopt.  These are designed to collapse the competitive advantage of the foreign nation by raising their costs locally.

It’s always a poisoned carrot with these people.  Always.

The fly in this ointment for them is their having to raise interest rates to keep pace with the Federal Reserve.  With each month that passes where the Fed refuses to back off on interest rates the more the risks to Brussels’ plans multiply.  The entire project is predicated on using cheap credit dollars to fund the transition to their preferred hydrocarbonless future, while simultaneously hollowing out their biggest competitor, the US, by tying it down in useless skirmishes like Ukraine through NATO.
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    Lise McLain
    February 20, 2024 at 9:53 pm   

    Hi!

    Will the euro bonds effect anything in the United States?

    Who will buy them?

    And what happens if there is a default in these bonds?

    Who will be mostly effected by a default?

    Russian bonds blew up in 1998. I learned that from one of Jim Rickards’ books. I have several in my library.

    Thank you!

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        Lise,
        1) Only if they are successful in creating a market for them, which would keep capital in the EU.
        2) Likely EU member Central Banks.. but they need to make them attractive enough for the private markets to take them up.
        3) The EU
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 02:14:14 PM


https://t.me/c/1567469683/1887818
Some EU and NATO countries are thinking about sending their military to Ukraine on the basis of bilateral agreements

The statement of Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico is reported (https://standard.sk/579145/slovensko-nevysle-nasich-vojakov-na-uzemie-ukrajiny-vyhlasil-robert-fico) by the Slovak publication Standard.

"The West's strategy in Ukraine has failed. But I want to be constructively prepared, despite the fact that the topics we talked about make my skin crawl. From these theses it follows that a group of NATO and EU countries are considering sending their military to Ukraine on the basis of bilateral agreements,” - Fico said after a meeting of the Slovak Security Council.

No one has yet officially voiced such intentions in the West.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 02:41:39 PM

Video of Nuland and US Senator on ending the NS pipelines years ago.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/23971
1) Germany spends money on NordStream
2) Germany needs it for its economy
3) Germany is taking its destruction
X) Likely Germany was informed or at least now knows

Treason in front of the German people.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 27, 2024, 04:29:09 PM
As long as corrupt elections and corrupt politicians exists nothing is going to change the suicidal trajectory of humankind...

Nothing short of divine that is...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 05:20:23 PM

I am still surprised that so many EU officials sold out their citizens, like scholz.
Some say that Germans are slow to anger but when they blow, watch out. I hope so.
The Baltics officials preen for the cameras and 'bravely' stand up to Russia while planning for their next NGO job.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 06:34:00 PM
About the CIA bases along the Ukr/RU border in 2014.
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17558 (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17558)

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17560 (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17560)
😁Instagram has started blocking videos of an Abrams tank being hit and burning down - the official reason is to protect the company's image and business reputation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b1pvnk/ua_pov_the_slovak_prime_minister_stated_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b1pvnk/ua_pov_the_slovak_prime_minister_stated_that/)

UA POV: The Slovak Prime Minister stated that Western countries are discussing an open military conflict with Russia
Civilians & politicians

Robert Fico has confirmed that some Western countries wish to send their troops to Ukraine within the framework of "bilateral agreements," meaning that Slovakia and other EU and NATO countries won't be able to influence this decision in any way, and no one could predict the consequences.


The deputy speaker of the Slovak parliament, Lubos Blaha, added:

The West is pushing us into World War III. We've all been on the edge of it since last night. What is going on in Paris anyway?

39 comments

Exactly as I expected. They made the individual defense agreements for ONE purpose: To send troops BILATERAL outside of NATO and NATO can´t do anything about it. AND they discussed reintroducing the draft in Germany the UK and France for a reason as well.

Let them do it and it will be a political suicide when the bodies start to pile up

https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-will-be-in-paris-friday-to-sign-bilateral-security-deal/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-will-be-in-paris-friday-to-sign-bilateral-security-deal/)
 Zelenskyy will be in Paris Friday to sign bilateral security deal

The visit comes in the wake of pledges made at a NATO summit in Vilnius last July.
Third Meeting Of The European Political Community Takes Place In Granada
The Ukrainian president is also expected to attend the Munich Security Conference later this week | Juan Medina - Pool/Getty Images
February 15, 2024 10:41 am CET
By Laura Kayali

PARIS — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be in Paris on Friday to sign a bilateral security deal with France, the Elysée Palace announced today.

"As Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine soon enters its third year, this visit will be an opportunity for the president of the republic to reaffirm France's determination to continue to provide unfailing support for Ukraine and its people, over the long term and with all its partners," the palace said in a statement.

Zelenskyy will also visit Germany on the same day to meet with Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
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Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 27, 2024, 07:14:35 PM
Why publish this now?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/cia-ukraine-russia/
 CIA in Ukraine: Why is this not seen as provocation?

An explosive new NYT report shows how Washington needlessly fed into Russia’s worst fears and precipitated the invasion, justified or not
Analysis | Europe

    regions europe ukraine war

Mark Episkopos
Feb 27, 2024

The White House’s messaging on the Ukraine war is built around two simple-yet-powerful adjectives: “We are united in our condemnation,” said President Joe Biden almost two years ago in a joint statement with EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, “of Russia’s unjustified and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine.”

The “unjustified and unprovoked” line has been used numerous times by a chorus of top U.S. officials and allies, quickly becoming a rhetorical mainstay of Biden’s maximum pressure campaign against the Kremlin.
...
An explosive New York Times exposé by Adam Entous and Michael Schwirtz sheds light on major developments preceding the full-scale invasion of Ukraine. According to the report, the Ukrainian government entered into a wide-ranging partnership with the CIA against Russia. This cooperation, which involved the establishment of as many as 12 secret CIA “forward operating bases” along Ukraine’s border with Russia, began not with Russia’s 2022 invasion, but just over 10 years ago.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2024, 07:43:18 AM

I am still surprised that so many EU officials sold out their citizens, like scholz.
Some say that Germans are slow to anger but when they blow, watch out. I hope so.
The Baltics officials preen for the cameras and 'bravely' stand up to Russia while planning for their next NGO job.

Effing over citizens is what all governments do best...some just more so than others...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2024, 07:46:30 AM
About the CIA bases along the Ukr/RU border in 2014.
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17558 (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17558)

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17560 (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/17560)
😁Instagram has started blocking videos of an Abrams tank being hit and burning down - the official reason is to protect the company's image and business reputation.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b1pvnk/ua_pov_the_slovak_prime_minister_stated_that/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b1pvnk/ua_pov_the_slovak_prime_minister_stated_that/)

UA POV: The Slovak Prime Minister stated that Western countries are discussing an open military conflict with Russia
Civilians & politicians

Robert Fico has confirmed that some Western countries wish to send their troops to Ukraine within the framework of "bilateral agreements," meaning that Slovakia and other EU and NATO countries won't be able to influence this decision in any way, and no one could predict the consequences.


The deputy speaker of the Slovak parliament, Lubos Blaha, added:

The West is pushing us into World War III. We've all been on the edge of it since last night. What is going on in Paris anyway?

39 comments

Exactly as I expected. They made the individual defense agreements for ONE purpose: To send troops BILATERAL outside of NATO and NATO can´t do anything about it. AND they discussed reintroducing the draft in Germany the UK and France for a reason as well.

Let them do it and it will be a political suicide when the bodies start to pile up

https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-will-be-in-paris-friday-to-sign-bilateral-security-deal/ (https://www.politico.eu/article/zelenskyy-will-be-in-paris-friday-to-sign-bilateral-security-deal/)
 Zelenskyy will be in Paris Friday to sign bilateral security deal

The visit comes in the wake of pledges made at a NATO summit in Vilnius last July.
Third Meeting Of The European Political Community Takes Place In Granada
The Ukrainian president is also expected to attend the Munich Security Conference later this week | Juan Medina - Pool/Getty Images
February 15, 2024 10:41 am CET
By Laura Kayali

PARIS — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be in Paris on Friday to sign a bilateral security deal with France, the Elysée Palace announced today.

"As Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine soon enters its third year, this visit will be an opportunity for the president of the republic to reaffirm France's determination to continue to provide unfailing support for Ukraine and its people, over the long term and with all its partners," the palace said in a statement.

Zelenskyy will also visit Germany on the same day to meet with Chancellor Olaf Scholz.
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I saw the burning tank, their censorship sucks.   ;D

As for the bilateral crap...whatever, it is a ploy and one that will blow back on NATO & EU anyway so really just who the eff they think they are fooling?

But, lots of crazy going around, think it is going to be avoided, somehow those swell citizens "get it" and it all ends?

Ha, the only thing ending is everything all at once...

Pull up a chair, grab a drink and heckle the show.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 28, 2024, 01:44:36 PM
Brian Berletic has been harping on this for a long time. He used to repair electro optical stuff for the Marines in Japan. So he cites US DOD docs on the training, parts, supply chain issues for US equipment to Ukr.

Now the US DOD finally mentions this.

https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/2754 (https://t.me/TheRealPolitick/2754)
The Inspector General of the US Department of Defense said that the Pentagon failed to prepare adequate plans in advance to support the weapons transferred to the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Bloomberg

We are talking about M2A2 Bradley ODS-SA infantry fighting vehicles transferred to Ukraine, various variants of Stryker armored personnel carriers, M1A1SA Abrams tanks, and MIM-104 Patriot air defense systems.

“The Department of Defense provided Ukraine with armored vehicles and air defense systems without a plan to ensure their long-term usefulness. While the Department of Defense is currently working to develop such a plan, the lack of foresight on this issue is troubling and must be addressed immediately,” the Inspector General said.

As an example, it is stated that the Pentagon provided only basic training courses in the operation and maintenance of the MIM-104 Patriot air defense system, as well as initial parts and materials, but subsequently did not organize advanced training for Ukrainians using the equipment and their further provision of spare parts.

Without planned material support, including spare parts, ammunition, and maintenance, “the Ukrainians would not be able to maintain these weapons systems,” the inspector general concluded.



Here he brings up the sustainability issue.
https://youtu.be/Wu5kdxcUzuM (https://youtu.be/Wu5kdxcUzuM)
 Pentagon Admits Ukraine Aid Unsustainable + Why Neutrality is Ukraine's Only (Good) Option
The New Atlas
253K subscribers

     
 
135,525 views  Feb 24, 2024
Update on the conflict in Ukraine for February 25, 2024...

- Russian forces have cleared Avdeevka, taking over a thousand Ukrainian soldiers prisoner, illustrating the disorganized nature of Ukraine’s withdrawal;

- The US Department of Defense admits essential supporting elements for sustaining US weapon systems transferred to Ukraine were never provided, thus inhibiting the effective use of US arms by Ukrainians;

- A fighting force makes up a small percentage of an overall military service because of the large amount of support infantry require on the modern battlefield. Without these supporting elements, a fighting force cannot sustain combat especially against a better supported force;

- US military equipment is especially complex to sustain and maintain on the battlefield, a fact illustrated by US purchases of Russian helicopters for Afghan forces because US helicopters were too difficult to fly, maintain, and sustain;


- The end game for Ukraine is particularly bleak considering the attritional nature of the conflict, Russia’s ability to outproduce Ukraine and its allies, and the unrealistic objectives Ukraine and its Western sponsors are attempting to achieve;

- Attempts to focus on Russian military shortcomings while ignoring Ukrainian military shortcomings produces a fatally flawed perception of the conflict disallowing both the means and objectives of the fighting to be realistically evaluated; 

References:

US DoD - Press Release: Evaluation of Sustainment Strategies for the Patriot Air Defense Systems Transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (DODIG-2024-056) and Evaluation of the DoD's Sustainment Plan for Bradley, Stryker, and Abrams Armored Weapon Systems (DODIG-2024-057) (February 20, 2024):
https://www.dodig.mil/In-the-Spotlight/Article/3681630/press-release-evaluation-of-sustainment-strategies-for-the-patriot-air-defense/ (https://www.dodig.mil/In-the-Spotlight/Article/3681630/press-release-evaluation-of-sustainment-strategies-for-the-patriot-air-defense/)
US DoD - PREDICTORS OF SUCCESS AT INFANTRY TRAINING BATTALION USING COUNTERMOVEMENT JUMP METRICS (“The enlisted infantry community, all of whom acquire their training at Infantry Training Battalion (ITB), comprises approximately 15% of the Marine Corps.” 2021):
https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/trecms/pdf/AD1150730.pdf (https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/trecms/pdf/AD1150730.pdf)
Christian Science Monitor - Why is US buying Russian helicopters for Afghan military? (December 2013):
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-... (https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-...)
Air and Space Forces Magazine - US Set Up Afghans for Failure, With a Force Too Complex to Maintain, IG Says (March 2023):
https://www.airandspaceforces.com/us-... (https://www.airandspaceforces.com/us-...)
...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2024, 03:37:31 PM
The Abrams takes 6-12 months of training to master as a system and in coordinated maneuvers...the fact that video of a Abrams in flames exists shows nothing near that level of training was achieved and morons rushed into battle only to be slaughtered like a sheep dressed in a mink coat...

But sh1tloads of more billions for them and zip for our invaded borders makes total sense...only if your head is fully up your ass!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 28, 2024, 05:17:41 PM
The Abrams takes 6-12 months of training to master as a system and in coordinated maneuvers...the fact that video of a Abrams in flames exists shows nothing near that level of training was achieved and morons rushed into battle only to be slaughtered like a sheep dressed in a mink coat...

But sh1tloads of more billions for them and zip for our invaded borders makes total sense...only if your head is fully up your ass!

Brian Berletic is kinda a CPC simp but good  on supporting what you said above. He finds US DOD docs on how much training the US requires. PLUS lots of team practice after that. he once found a doc from Ft. Benning on  results from US already trained troops using javelins.  Only 3 out of 8 even hit the target in a situation where no one was shooting at them.

Tanks? He said the US Marines got rid of tanks, and that was long before drones.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 28, 2024, 05:41:20 PM

I do not have firm picture on this yet. The US has been trying to get Moldova to attack Transnistria to distract Russia which is full of lots of ethnic Russians.  The US must have come up with enough bribes to the leader Sandu. It will not help Moldova but who cares as she will get her NGO job just like the Georgia guy after he had Georgia attack South Ossetia.

It seems that Moldova raised a tariff or transit tax on goods going to Transnistia which doubled the price of goods. This  pissed off the locals who recently asked Russia for help. So Sandu called for mobilization?

Transnistria gets nat gas from Russia, uses it to make electricity which it sells to Moldova.

I was surprised that so many leaders allow their countries to be used by the US. Then I thought of the bribes and future sweet NGO jobs as the locals will toss them out after the country is ruined.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b25za4/ru_pov_transnistria_will_turn_to_russia_for_help/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1b25za4/ru_pov_transnistria_will_turn_to_russia_for_help/)

Bald and Bankrupt did a series on Moldova including one on Transnistria. Moldova seemed like another corrupt sh*thole. The part of Transistria he showed seemed nice. I recall that that Moldova was looted with govt funds sent out of country maybe to the Baltics.
Here is the Bald and Bankrupt Moldova video series

https://youtu.be/5kVnrqBb6y4?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6 (https://youtu.be/5kVnrqBb6y4?list=PLqWdYjn21PdEO19u10zTJCrNazOKq6gf6)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on February 28, 2024, 06:41:16 PM
Details. No mobilization yet.

https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9526

🇲🇩🇲🇩 Amid the situation with Transnistria, the Ministry of Defense of Moldova has issued orders for enterprises to transfer military vehicles and spare parts to the military in the event of an urgent mobilization – the authenticity of the documents has been confirmed by the military.

?? Enterprises are required to provide the military with everything necessary within two hours.

??Currently, enterprises are obliged to provide lists of the vehicles they possess. The Ministry of Defense spokesperson, A. Dîjaconu, confirmed to the media the authenticity of the document but attempted to convince the media that this is a standard procedure - merely updating lists of property subject to mobilization.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 29, 2024, 08:06:36 AM
The Abrams takes 6-12 months of training to master as a system and in coordinated maneuvers...the fact that video of a Abrams in flames exists shows nothing near that level of training was achieved and morons rushed into battle only to be slaughtered like a sheep dressed in a mink coat...

But sh1tloads of more billions for them and zip for our invaded borders makes total sense...only if your head is fully up your ass!

Brian Berletic is kinda a CPC simp but good  on supporting what you said above. He finds US DOD docs on how much training the US requires. PLUS lots of team practice after that. he once found a doc from Ft. Benning on  results from US already trained troops using javelins.  Only 3 out of 8 even hit the target in a situation where no one was shooting at them.

Tanks? He said the US Marines got rid of tanks, and that was long before drones.

Javelin, TOW, LAWS...it's more an issue of the "right tool for the right job/conditions" paired with competence in use.

Marine's went to light-fighting maneuver-based tactics championed interestingly enough by a USAF pilot named John Boyd (see "Fighter Mafia", "OODA Loop") who was the father of the F-15.  This doctrine was in place before the Gulf Wars.

As for Moldova...well, hard to care about Moldova...but it will likely prove to be a completely unnecessary sideshow...and has the potential to put another hostile force on Ukraine's West flank...but as I said, stupid is prevailing everywhere and if something can get worse it most likely will...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on February 29, 2024, 08:36:09 AM
Other news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-accuses-zelensky-lying-after-issuing-ukraine-troop-death-count-1st-time (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/moscow-accuses-zelensky-lying-after-issuing-ukraine-troop-death-count-1st-time)

Uke's understate their casualties and overstates Russia's...Russia overstates Uke casualties under understates theirs...wow, this has never happened in warfare before!

/

Z's are obviously more exaggerated, but recall all the callups Russia did...obviously Uke's have to have lost more, but Russia and its allies have to be incurring losses but I doubt the US IC estimate...it's probably half that perhaps a bit more...Uke's have to be at least 300k.

And what Z hopes to accomplish with the Saudi's eludes me...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-travels-rally-saudi-arabia-albania-ukraines-cause (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/zelensky-travels-rally-saudi-arabia-albania-ukraines-cause)

...Saudi's are tighter in the Russia & OPEC orbit...seems a fools errand.  Albania?  Sure, but they are in no position to offer much but smiles and a handshake.

And check this out...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tiny-netherlands-only-country-back-macrons-call-boots-ground-ukraine-option (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/tiny-netherlands-only-country-back-macrons-call-boots-ground-ukraine-option)

The French and the Dutch are the hotheads...yet...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/Nato-Defense-Spending_Percentage.jpg)
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/which-countrys-meet-natos-spending-target (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/which-countrys-meet-natos-spending-target)

..both are NATO deadbeats!!!

Some how some way American's have to realize NATO is unnecessary, this Ukraine and Balkan crap is all Europe's problem, Europe isn't carrying its own weight...and our borders are more important to us than those of Europe and Russia.  But, the unrelenting noise from the DeepState lapdog media, demonazis and Cucks is drowning out the reality on our borders...even with innocents being murdered raped and beaten by military aged male invaders.

This is mass insanity.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 01, 2024, 10:36:29 AM
Get a load of this BS!

"If Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia," Austin stated.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-chief-if-ukraine-defeated-war-nato-will-be-war-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pentagon-chief-if-ukraine-defeated-war-nato-will-be-war-russia)

What he really means is - "If Ukraine falls, I really believe that NATO will be in a fight with Russia, because we want war with Russia and if we have to start it we will."

FIFY, you stupendous war-lusting pig!  Interesting, isn't it that the prospect of a nuclear exchange is zero impetus to reach a negotiated peace and avert a world-ending war?  It tells you how committed they are to war at any cost.  If this doesn't wake people up to the insanity of these people nothing will and the world is doomed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 02, 2024, 11:54:17 AM



Alex goes into the recent release of a 38 min video recording between some senior German AF officers detailing how they want  to blow up the Kerch bridge while avoiding responsibility. German govt then tried to block all social media leaks.

https://youtu.be/VwH1heCMrk0?t=997
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 03, 2024, 01:59:53 PM


This discussion is good. The prof seems to tie things together using history including the 30 years war and the Crimean war. This is long but the prof is good.

https://youtu.be/S0pFGl5gkns

The Ukraine War & the Eurasian World Order - Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen

The Ukraine War & the Eurasian World Order Paperback – February 15, 2024
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 03, 2024, 02:52:26 PM


Found this language map. Unsure of year.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/24354
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 03, 2024, 03:54:47 PM


Clip from Kharkov. Long ago I watched many videos from Mariupol where the civilians described much worse.
A short clip from Kharkov.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/48797?single
🇺🇦 Ukrainian neo-Nazis.

This is how the government sponsored Ukrainian neo-Nazis are terrorising their local population.
Subscribe to my channels: @heilukraine1959
@heilukraine1959arab

A long video. Too long. PL interviews people who were rescued from Avdeevka   plus some old guy who raised pigeons.
I was shocked that some civilians remained behind. I think the Kiev troops mostly used the massive buildings to fire from, as the residential houses made for poor shelters compared to the industrial buildings of the commie blocks.
I am guessing the shelling was from the Kiev troops as the civilians said.  The Kiev troops often hate the  locals.

https://youtu.be/l0yZnj36_Xc
 Avdiivka Residents Expose Russia's Frontline Battle
Patrick Lancaster
 
685,777 views  Feb 27, 2024  #Ukraine #Russia
I met with Avdeevka / Avdiivka / Avdeyevka Residents / refugees and they exposed many war crimes commited by the Ukraine forces during the battle where Russia captured the city.  As these people state, the Ukraine forces used resident as human shields, targeted civilians and even performed mass executions. They all said how they have been waiting for Russian forces to come help them.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2024, 08:29:15 AM
Hate in war...human shields...?  In many venues that is something to cheer for...

Why is some swell and other?  There is no sense to the logic...either all is bad or none is?

Hey, I bet the UN HR outfit can make a consistent call...

/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2024, 08:34:31 AM
And, as for the aforementioned German problem...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/complete-disaster-german-govt-scholz-promises-probe-very-serious-leaked-recording-plan (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/complete-disaster-german-govt-scholz-promises-probe-very-serious-leaked-recording-plan)

...this should be exploited, and no doubt it will be...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 04, 2024, 03:25:30 PM
Judge Nap had some good guests on, or maybe the day has lots of news like the German Taurus missiles.
You have to clock on "live" to get the whole segment. 30 min long most times..

Some guy, maybe the Syriana guy said he want to show a clip that had been show on RT. He said he had to blur out the RT logo else the YT algorithm would ban the video or shadow ban it or some such. I did not know that.

https://youtu.be/SdSFDR3G8Bs (https://youtu.be/SdSFDR3G8Bs)
Nikki wins DC! Germany blames Putin, Russia hybrid attack. New $66B Ukraine package. SU-34 receipts

https://youtu.be/M-jWZQ72qFo (https://youtu.be/M-jWZQ72qFo)
Ray McGovern: Germany caught off-guard by leak of secret Ukraine war talks

https://youtu.be/iZ4CoCT9ufE (https://youtu.be/iZ4CoCT9ufE)
Alastair Crooke: Warning Signs - "Untenable Positions"


https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams (https://www.youtube.com/@judgingfreedom/streams)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 04, 2024, 04:27:11 PM

What irks me (my late mothers word) is the almost total news black out and and propagandized war this is.

Having PL walk around and talk to people in Adveeka was not that good compared to others he has done.  IMO if people view the Russians as liberators or conquerors that opinion carries a lot of weight. Some woman on PL said 95 pct of people wanted the Russians to liberate them or some such. There was selection bias as some people fled west and some east but those remaining were waiting for the Russians. Maybe she was referring to an earlier referendum.

If you were to fly to say Mariupol, hire a camera man and translator, then wander around and talk to people you would form a different opinion from what the MSM projects.  If you could get your project put on the MSM it would make the Tucker interview look tame. I wish he would do that. There was a reported car bomb attempt on him which is not unusual.

I watched way too many civilian interviews from Mariupol back when.

Also i heard that the NYT got hold of the tentative Mar 2022 agreement and recently summarized it. Donbass remained in Ukr. some autonomy, no NATO, Crimea to be decided later. I recall autonomy meant election (not Kiev selection) of mayors, governors, and police chiefs. Also reversion to earlier language laws where Russian was not illegal and parental choice decided education language for children. EU rules require that BTW if the pop is above 5 pct.  Kiev or US/UK preferred war. Maybe 400K Ukr dead and for what?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2024, 08:30:06 AM
Well, the DeepState mostly led by the CIA want it, they obviously have dirt/leverage on UniParty trash...whatchya gonna do?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 05, 2024, 12:03:39 PM

I have no delusions about Russia or China. They each play to their strengths. IMO Putin and Xi try to do what is best for their countries. I think much of China can be explained by their history and culture.  Russia showed that free trade is not all good. They took a lot of work in house so to speak and stood up to sanctions.

I do not think that the US govt is advancing the interests of US citizens. What do we get out of backing Ukraine to fight Russia?  IMO the US govt war gamed this out and 'knew' that Russia could be provoked into attacking Ukraine if the US/Ukr did X,Y,Z. Then Russia would be crippled by pre-planned sanctions  plus their military was weak. Then regime change in Russia then pick it apart and sell off pieces to corporations.  The US made a go of that in the 1990s.

The more I look at the world now it is the US that is being isolated.

The more I hear, the US govt believed the US military was all powerful and still like 1991. Group think took over. The USN can barely handle the Houthis. I hear that the USN kept building carriers due to the internal strong carrier group "union" within USN. I recall that the USN or USAF wanted to limit the range of some air launched missiles early on out of fear that this would reduce the role of carriers and or fighters? My memory is vague.

Some guy said that Ukr was allowed to sell so called franken foods into EU. Maybe he meant GMO or tainted foods. Maybe he was a flake.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 05, 2024, 12:53:42 PM


Vicky Nuland is to step down.
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9200
US Deputy Secretary of State Victoria Nuland is suddenly resigning having just gone to Kiev to shake her fist at Putin.  Supposedly, the Cookie Monster made that decision entirely on her own.

Anthony Blinken couldn't skip such an amazing opportunity to suck up to the wicked witch of the West and stated that "...Victoria's leadership in Ukraine that diplomats and foreign policy scholars will study for years to come. Her efforts were indispensable in resisting Putin's full-scale invasion of Ukraine, in forging a global coalition to ensure his strategic failure, and in helping Ukraine reach the day when it can get back on its feet - democratically, economically and militarily."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 05, 2024, 01:12:23 PM
Just read about this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/)

This is good news, it means the DeepState narrative is collapsing along with the failure on the ground with the war and the erosion of political support at home...they are panicking and this indicates a new re-branding of this existential threat to the DeepState agenda...

Akin to a pilot being left with no other choice in a flaming plane heading towards the onrushing ground...eject, eject!

Let another pilot take a crack at it...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 05, 2024, 01:40:40 PM

This is why the MSM does not allow their reporters in Russian or DPR areas. This sort of thing has been going on for a long time. I recall some church rector in Mariupol said that when Kiev tanks were withdrawing they put a tank round through the church tower. The given reason was that the church used the wrong liturgy.

This is not the first person from that city to report on this. The Kiev troops really hate the residents of such areas and are not shy about saying so on camera.

https://t.me/Reality_Theories/17222
"A resident of liberated Avdiivka told how the Nazis staged provocations, shelling the houses of civilians in the city, and then declared that the attacks were carried out by the DPR.

They did this, according to the man, under the cameras of the Ukrainian media.

We have been talking about this all these years, and now we have a living witness before us and, I am sure, there will be many of them."
https://t.me/RtrDonetsk/23256
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 05, 2024, 03:07:26 PM

I did not read the NYT piece. This summary may be slanted.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9578

So in this article the NYT admits:
Part one (https://t.me/american_majority/1233) - US was creating an existential strategic threat to Russia in Ukraine.
Part two (https://t.me/american_majority/1234) - Ukranians were killing Russian assets despite US forbidding them, thus provoking Putin into the war.
Part three (https://t.me/american_majority/1235) - Ukraine is using CIA equipment to spy on China, possibly provoking them into a war.
Part four (https://t.me/american_majority/1236) - zero evidence of Trump's collusion with Russia and Deep State's agents in Trump administration ignoring the President of the United States and continuing pushing Ukraine and Russia towards war
Part five (https://t.me/american_majority/1239) - Ukrainian propaganda
Part six (https://t.me/american_majority/1240) - MH17 lies
Part seven (https://t.me/american_majority/1241) - Ukraine is a cargo cult

And, that's finally it! Done with this treasure trove of an article. Took me only eight posts!
Would really appreciate your feedback in the comments!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 05, 2024, 03:31:14 PM
Just read about this...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/ding-dong-victoria-nuland-steps-down-after-gateway/)

This is good news, it means the DeepState narrative is collapsing along with the failure on the ground with the war and the erosion of political support at home...they are panicking and this indicates a new re-branding of this existential threat to the DeepState agenda...

Akin to a pilot being left with no other choice in a flaming plane heading towards the onrushing ground...eject, eject!

Let another pilot take a crack at it...

Some comment I found
Quote
Nope, strong rumours that she's stepped down and essentially retired completely as a very serious FBI investigation has her in the centre of a huge corruption scandal.

The Biden administration is pushing her out to try to distance themselves from her before the story breaks into the open.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 06, 2024, 08:33:29 AM
I remain skeptical of NYT motivation, as the propaganda arm of the DOJ/FBI it smells more of a intra-DeepState CYA Op to me.

I am also highly skeptical of the Nuland corruption angle without some more credible data to follow, but on its face it dovetails with the above to hang this around State, CIA & naturally the White House by implication.  Plus, she knows a lot, perhaps everything...which evokes other thoughts along Epsteinian lines...

As for my first post on this it appears Sundance is thinking along my lines...

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/05/tremors-in-the-dark-force-architect-of-the-ukraine-crisis-aka-world-war-reddit-state-dept-executive-producer-victoria-nuland-will-retire-this-month/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/05/tremors-in-the-dark-force-architect-of-the-ukraine-crisis-aka-world-war-reddit-state-dept-executive-producer-victoria-nuland-will-retire-this-month/)

...what we have now is the apparent Intra-DeepState battle impact added in.

And now we have another outfit that migrated to a decidedly leftist track over several decades publishing on the infamous BJ torpedoing of the Spring 2022 peace talks -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whyd-wall-street-journal-suddenly-share-terms-spring-2022s-draft-peace-treaty (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/whyd-wall-street-journal-suddenly-share-terms-spring-2022s-draft-peace-treaty)

I don't agree with the optimistic characterization of how close this was to achieving a real or lasting peace...seems a bit bloated to me...but the bottom line is somebody was needed to nix it and for whatever reason(s) BJ did it...and since the Five Eyes is a shared DeepState chennel, well, there ya go.  What I am wondering and can only speculate at is if this is perhaps a White House attempt to wiggle free the controversy and keep their Ukraine narrative being existential to us (which it isn't) limping along on life support.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 11:56:25 AM


I do not understand the NYT thing either.

I keep hearing that the Biden admin wants to keep the war going until the elections are over but I do not think that most of the public much caress.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 12:09:28 PM

Snarky comments are calling her Victoria Nudelman. Maybe her original family name? Are they Kazachs way back?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 12:11:55 PM

I heard that Kiev did not prepare any good defensive positions behind adveeka. Russia is advancing but Kev gets in some good licks on occasion.   3 Abrams taken out so far.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 12:37:00 PM
I was mostly asleep for this. He is kinda biased against Russia. He went into Stepan Bandera. Complicated.x

https://youtu.be/qa-wl8_wpZA
 Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Lex Fridman

 
409,028 views  Mar 4, 2024  Lex Fridman Podcast
Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:

I heard elsewhere how the NAZI movement took hold in modern Ukr. Most Ukr diaspora were not NAZIs but the NAZIs took over the Ukr diaspora organizations then some returned after USSR. They had an outsized influence in Ukr and things got heated in the 2000s. Further, they networked well inside the Ukr military often underground.  An enthusiastic minority can have outsized influence. E.g. 1776 American revolutionaries and 1917 Bolsheviks. IMO NAZI stuff is likely illegal in Poland but not uncommon in Ukr.

I recall the source was on dispatches w  rania khalek, He is some prof now in istanbul but taught in lvov for 5 years. Cyril somebody.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 12:54:16 PM


I found the video on Ukr. Long and  nuanced. I watched it long ago. This prof taught on Lvov for 5 years.
https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs

 The Origins of Ukraine’s Fascists & Why It Matters, w/ Historian Tarik Cyril Amar
BreakThrough News

648K subscribers
339,279 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 06, 2024, 01:55:04 PM


I heard a couple things. The new head of ukr army is purging senior officers he believes is loyal to the previous head.

Further, some of the purged defected to Russia w/ their families? That does not sound real to me.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2024, 07:47:21 AM

I heard that Kiev did not prepare any good defensive positions behind adveeka. Russia is advancing but Kev gets in some good licks on occasion.   3 Abrams taken out so far.

All I know is walking into a pocket is stupid...unless you are on a suicide mission with a really big bomb...then its just crazy...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 07, 2024, 07:48:41 AM
I was mostly asleep for this. He is kinda biased against Russia. He went into Stepan Bandera. Complicated.x

https://youtu.be/qa-wl8_wpZA
 Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Lex Fridman

 
409,028 views  Mar 4, 2024  Lex Fridman Podcast
Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:

I heard elsewhere how the NAZI movement took hold in modern Ukr. Most Ukr diaspora were not NAZIs but the NAZIs took over the Ukr diaspora organizations then some returned after USSR. They had an outsized influence in Ukr and things got heated in the 2000s. Further, they networked well inside the Ukr military often underground. An enthusiastic minority can have outsized influence. E.g. 1776 American revolutionaries and 1917 Bolsheviks. IMO NAZI stuff is likely illegal in Poland but not uncommon in Ukr.

I recall the source was on dispatches w  rania khalek, He is some prof now in istanbul but taught in lvov for 5 years. Cyril somebody.

That seems to dovetail with what I understand.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2024, 03:45:41 PM

Duran had Tony Shaffer on. He speculated that after resources were discovered (gas etc) in black sea and donbass the US govt planned to start a war to collapse Russia and turn Ukraine into a huge energy source to replace Russian gas.

Nuland has left before and returned. This time it was said, not by her, that she "retired." Maybe that means she was not wanted. I had heard she planned the summer counter offensive. . She may have been fired.

They said that people with a literature background are often in govt and they believe in narratives more than facts.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2024, 03:51:29 PM
I was mostly asleep for this. He is kinda biased against Russia. He went into Stepan Bandera. Complicated.x

https://youtu.be/qa-wl8_wpZA
 Serhii Plokhy: History of Ukraine, Russia, Soviet Union, KGB, Nazis & War | Lex Fridman Podcast #415
Lex Fridman

 
409,028 views  Mar 4, 2024  Lex Fridman Podcast
Serhii Plokhy is a Ukrainian historian at Harvard University, director of the Ukrainian Research Institute, and an author of many books on history of Eastern Europe, including his latest book The Russo-Ukrainian War: The Return of History. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:

I heard elsewhere how the NAZI movement took hold in modern Ukr. Most Ukr diaspora were not NAZIs but the NAZIs took over the Ukr diaspora organizations then some returned after USSR. They had an outsized influence in Ukr and things got heated in the 2000s. Further, they networked well inside the Ukr military often underground. An enthusiastic minority can have outsized influence. E.g. 1776 American revolutionaries and 1917 Bolsheviks. IMO NAZI stuff is likely illegal in Poland but not uncommon in Ukr.

I recall the source was on dispatches w  rania khalek, He is some prof now in istanbul but taught in lvov for 5 years. Cyril somebody.

That seems to dovetail with what I understand.

I found the year old video link. He was good. Speaks at least Tussian, Ukrainian, English and taught in Lvov for 5 years.

https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
 The Origins of Ukraine’s Fascists & Why It Matters, w/ Historian Tarik Cyril Amar
BreakThrough News

650K subscribers foottapping
 
340,976 views  Apr 5, 2022  Rania Khalek Dispatches
For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2024, 04:24:47 PM


I heard that Zelensky met with the maritime drone operators who sunk the Russian ship to give them medals. He was tracked somehow by the Russians. They sent in missiles after he left. He claimed they tried to kill him. The military is not happy.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 07, 2024, 04:44:08 PM
At 14:30 Ritter speaks of another Ukr diplomat who spoke about the Istanbul peace talks and about Putin. Less than one  minute.

https://youtu.be/hk8K27WHRew?t=867
WARRIOR UPDATE WITH SCOTT RITTER EPISODE 58 - NULAND BITES THE DUST - NATO THREATS
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2024, 08:19:19 AM
I was mostly asleep for this. He is kinda biased against Russia. He went into Stepan Bandera. Complicated.x

https://youtu.be/qa-wl8_wpZA
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I heard elsewhere how the NAZI movement took hold in modern Ukr. Most Ukr diaspora were not NAZIs but the NAZIs took over the Ukr diaspora organizations then some returned after USSR. They had an outsized influence in Ukr and things got heated in the 2000s. Further, they networked well inside the Ukr military often underground. An enthusiastic minority can have outsized influence. E.g. 1776 American revolutionaries and 1917 Bolsheviks. IMO NAZI stuff is likely illegal in Poland but not uncommon in Ukr.

I recall the source was on dispatches w  rania khalek, He is some prof now in istanbul but taught in lvov for 5 years. Cyril somebody.

That seems to dovetail with what I understand.

I found the year old video link. He was good. Speaks at least Tussian, Ukrainian, English and taught in Lvov for 5 years.

https://youtu.be/5C7DE2KFJHs
 The Origins of Ukraine’s Fascists & Why It Matters, w/ Historian Tarik Cyril Amar
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For those who just discovered Ukraine two months ago, the fact that Ukrainian nationalism has been dangerously intertwined with fascism might sound like Russian propaganda. But is it?

How powerful is the Ukrainian far right? Are they really linked to Nazis? Why is the corporate-owned media denying this?

To place this war and the Ukrainian far right in its historical context, Rania Khalek was joined by Tarik Cyril Amar, a historian from Germany, who is currently associate professor of history at Koc University in Istanbul, working on Russian, Ukrainian, and generally East European history.

People in the Western lands have a much better role model to honor than some fascist asshole...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_of_Galicia

They chose poorly.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2024, 08:33:26 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/putin-f-thug-sparks-fly-during-zerohedge-ukraine-debate (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/putin-f-thug-sparks-fly-during-zerohedge-ukraine-debate)

Putin is a thug?  WGAFF?

Every US President negotiated with every punk-ass Soviet thug, every puking-dog Commie Premier in Red China and sealed deals with thugs in North Korea and thugs all over the damned place.  A stateman makes peace with thugs, especially if they can nuke you 10 times over...any moron can negotiate with friends...

And the cheerwhores for the Uke meatgrinder cannot see that there is no satisfactory way to win this militarily without escalating to nuclear exchange...and it is they sho should be challenged to prove why risking that makes any fracking sense...

So tired of these America-last bastards...

They cannot see the need for Europe to stand up for itself for once in their miserable lives or how much we need to decouple from them and leave their bullsh*t to them so we can fix the hideous mess the Biden Obamians made of America...

If we don't get our own sh*t together the whole damn thing collapses...why don't idiots like Joe Walsh understand that?!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: benb61 on March 08, 2024, 09:51:57 AM
"Reduce the world population to 500 million"  Georgia Guide-stones

Does it make sense now??
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 08, 2024, 10:23:55 AM
Should have said "by" instead of "to" and meant the totalitarians...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 08, 2024, 02:31:21 PM
A debate on Ukr?
I have noticed that the pro Ukr war people almost never talk  about people, just boundaries.
What do the people in the areas currently being fought over want?
If they were honest they would say they do not care if they are all slaughtered.
What would have happened if Russia had not invaded?
I have heard the Kiev faction soldiers say they were shelling the east to drive the subhuman Russian off their sacred land, meaning the civilians. Apparently because Lenin named the SSR Ukraine means that only Ukrainian speakers can live there.

I am ignorant about Kosovo and the history there. I do not want to see them all slaughtered or driven off the land and I am not a fan of the Albanians and hear that they like to burn Christian churches. Most people in US feel the same way.

The US govt and MSM almost never talk about what the people in the Donbass or Crimea want even though the data is available.

This war would not have happened if people in Ukr were allowed parental choice in language for  children and use in govt , maybe by region, local elections for governors etc, freedom of religion, and swear off NATO. Much of that is required for EU members and was the status quo before the Ukr govt drank the NAZI cool aid.

This is the first war I recall where social media was everywhere. I used to pay attention to what people in all factions said. IMO the Kiev faction have very vile racial superiority thoughts and actions toward Russians going way back.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2024, 03:19:07 PM


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/35338
🇫🇷🇲🇩 FRANCE SIGNS DEFENSE DEAL WITH MOLDOVA, TO "SUPPORT IT AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION" - announces mainstream media (article above), claiming deal comes amid Russian threats such as Russia-aligned region of Transnistria asking for Moscow’s protection (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34575).

With Macron's warmongering Russia reaching madness levels (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34944), deal will include deployment of French military in Moldova, as well as training and weapons programs, to "unwaveringly support independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity” of country. 🤔

Paris will also invest in Moldovan energy projects and natural resources.

Hmm, sounds like Neocolonialism, but go on.  🤑🤑
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2024, 05:02:49 PM


I wonder why CNN is reporting this now? Not anti Russian. Not sure the summary matches the language.
You can find lots of similar examples going way back but never shown on western TV.

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/31842
"They are hiding behind the backs of civilians": CNN was unexpectedly told the truth about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict

An American journalist talked to civilians in the city of Chasov Yar, who said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were approaching houses and using civilians as human shields. Another person admitted that his relatives live in Russia.

The reporter came to the conclusion that that the people living in the town are “ok that Russia comes”.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2024, 05:07:21 PM

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91042
“We expected the Russians to slaughter us, but they fed us”

A resident of Staromlinovka tells how the AFU were scaring the locals with the arrival of Russian troops.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 09, 2024, 06:24:05 PM
I used to see more of these. This one is not so bad. Some people loyal to Kiev fled Donbass to the west then get treated like dirt. Some are refused food aid if they cannot speak Ukrainian. Some returned back east.

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49382
??in Lvov local nationalists abused a refugee from Donbass who unfortunately seek refuge in western Ukraine, they accused her of not being a refugee and of having brought the war with her.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2024, 03:06:50 PM

The pettiness of some govts amazes me.

https://t.me/beboandfriends/199666
🇱🇻 In Latvia, a television technician has been arrested for helping local residents tune into Russian channels blocked in the country, as reported by Delfi citing local police.

Police conducted searches at the suspect's place and seized equipment for receiving and transmitting television signals. According to the authorities, a man born in 1975 provided services to at least 181 residents of Latvia.

He is facing charges under Article 280 of the Latvian Criminal Code, which relates to engaging in entrepreneurial activity subject to special restrictions. He could be sentenced to up to three years in prison.

Those who had Russian channels installed by him could face fines of up to 700 euros.

In 2022, all Russian television channels were banned in Latvia until "Russia returns the Ukrainian territories."

🔴 @DDGeopolitics
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2024, 03:08:40 PM
I remember when the USSR used to block western TV and radio signals.

Also, I read that Kiev just allocated X millions to block Russian TV/radio signals in Odessa, and some other cities. Petty.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2024, 03:29:21 PM


Every sanction against Russia cuts both ways.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9646
Finnish municipality of Virolahti disappears due to closed borders with Russia.

The Finnish municipality of Virolahti, located near the border with Russia, is proposed to be merged with the city of Hamina in the same province due to the worsening situation after the closure of the checkpoint.

Due to the closure of its borders with Russia, the Finnish municipality of Virolahti is empty and its economy is deteriorating, so authorities are considering ways to maintain its viability.

Thus, the head of the Department of Local Self-Government and Regional Affairs of the Ministry of Finance of Finland, Minn-Marja Jokinen, believes that the unification of municipalities can ensure the viability of the border region in the future. This is important, she said, because these areas play an important role in particular in ensuring Finland's preparedness and readiness. At the same time, Jokinen said that the merger itself will not solve municipal issues, but it provides more chances for development.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 10, 2024, 08:43:00 PM


I have seen maybe 50 videos like this but seldom post them. Ukr troops staying in a school. If Russia kits them they ignore the troops part and report on the school as a war crime.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/8465
🇺🇦 Another school occupied by Ukrainian Nazis for personnel accommodation

And then Ukrainian fighters whine that they are being hit with Kalibrs and Geraniums.

Some Canadian merc fought for Kiev. He said he was glad he was not fighting Americans because they rode in trains with civilians and bunked in a church.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:17:32 AM
A debate on Ukr?
I have noticed that the pro Ukr war people almost never talk  about people, just boundaries.
What do the people in the areas currently being fought over want?
If they were honest they would say they do not care if they are all slaughtered.
What would have happened if Russia had not invaded?
I have heard the Kiev faction soldiers say they were shelling the east to drive the subhuman Russian off their sacred land, meaning the civilians. Apparently because Lenin named the SSR Ukraine means that only Ukrainian speakers can live there.

I am ignorant about Kosovo and the history there. I do not want to see them all slaughtered or driven off the land and I am not a fan of the Albanians and hear that they like to burn Christian churches. Most people in US feel the same way.

The US govt and MSM almost never talk about what the people in the Donbass or Crimea want even though the data is available.

This war would not have happened if people in Ukr were allowed parental choice in language for  children and use in govt , maybe by region, local elections for governors etc, freedom of religion, and swear off NATO. Much of that is required for EU members and was the status quo before the Ukr govt drank the NAZI cool aid.

This is the first war I recall where social media was everywhere. I used to pay attention to what people in all factions said. IMO the Kiev faction have very vile racial superiority thoughts and actions toward Russians going way back.

For the DeepState to whom they are beholden to their borders matter way more than ours...that's all you need to know...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:24:28 AM


https://t.me/EurasianChoice/35338 (https://t.me/EurasianChoice/35338)
🇫🇷🇲🇩 FRANCE SIGNS DEFENSE DEAL WITH MOLDOVA, TO "SUPPORT IT AGAINST RUSSIAN AGGRESSION" - announces mainstream media (article above), claiming deal comes amid Russian threats such as Russia-aligned region of Transnistria asking for Moscow’s protection (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34575 (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34575)).

With Macron's warmongering Russia reaching madness levels (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34944 (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/34944)), deal will include deployment of French military in Moldova, as well as training and weapons programs, to "unwaveringly support independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity” of country. 🤔

Paris will also invest in Moldovan energy projects and natural resources.

Hmm, sounds like Neocolonialism, but go on.  🤑🤑

The impetus to suck Europe and by extension NATO into this sh!tshow is being accelerated by the failure of Western funds and equipment resulting in nothing but waste and failure is a lot bigger than you think...everything being done will guarantee the sh!t gets worse and has great potential to grow very hot...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/are-france-uk-plotting-ukrainian-power-play-right-under-germanys-nose (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/are-france-uk-plotting-ukrainian-power-play-right-under-germanys-nose)

The wisest move we could make is to negotiate directly with Moscow and GTFO NATO or at the very least amend the NATO Charter to make Article Five voluntary and not mandatory...but the respective DeepStates will not ever allow any of that happen...they would rather see the world incinerated than admit failure or complicity...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:26:34 AM


I wonder why CNN is reporting this now? Not anti Russian. Not sure the summary matches the language.
You can find lots of similar examples going way back but never shown on western TV.

https://t.me/ZradaXXII/31842
"They are hiding behind the backs of civilians": CNN was unexpectedly told the truth about the Russian-Ukrainian conflict

An American journalist talked to civilians in the city of Chasov Yar, who said that the Ukrainian Armed Forces were approaching houses and using civilians as human shields. Another person admitted that his relatives live in Russia.

The reporter came to the conclusion that that the people living in the town are “ok that Russia comes”.

That network is the propaganda arm of Foggy Bottom...it as merely part of their CYA/Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free card...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 11, 2024, 10:30:25 AM


I have seen maybe 50 videos like this but seldom post them. Ukr troops staying in a school. If Russia kits them they ignore the troops part and report on the school as a war crime.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/8465
🇺🇦 Another school occupied by Ukrainian Nazis for personnel accommodation

And then Ukrainian fighters whine that they are being hit with Kalibrs and Geraniums.

Some Canadian merc fought for Kiev. He said he was glad he was not fighting Americans because they rode in trains with civilians and bunked in a church.

Wise people call this "The JIhadi Terrorist Method" which currently Hamas is fully engaged in....
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2024, 04:50:37 PM

I get the Baltics mixed up.Estonian govt says Russia bombed them 80 years ago, city of Talin. Says Russian tactics have not changed.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49463

Syrian guy read up and said 750 people died from that Soviet bombing and that the Allies also bombed them. Says 1.5 M died in Leningrad and 3.5 M to break the siege. . Germans occupied Estonia at the time. Not sure what percent helped the Germans. It was the first German conquered territory to be officially Judenfrei.  I think the locals helped out.

Brief video on Leningrad siege.
https://youtu.be/HekESEnHpps?t=763

Time lapse map, Jan 1944 was a real rout.
https://youtu.be/HekESEnHpps?t=947

Germans in Talin.
https://youtu.be/HekESEnHpps?t=1320



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2024, 04:53:47 PM

I heard that the UK govt wants Germany to send them Taurus missiles then UK will send Ukraine Storm Shadows.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2024, 06:20:06 PM
I am so old I remember when the USSR used to jam western signals. RFE and VOA The US/West did not jam USSR signals which showed our superiority.  These Baltics are so petty and do things that will have zero effect on the war. People call them Chihuahuas/ankle bitters.  Some are deporting pensioners who cannot pass the local language test, including one 75 year old blind woman.  I am told it takes 10 years to learn their difficult, non Slavic languages. Russians takes that long also. I recall there are 14 different forms of the word "you."

https://t.me/beboandfriends/199666

🇱🇻 In Latvia, a television technician has been arrested for helping local residents tune into Russian channels blocked in the country, as reported by Delfi citing local police.

Police conducted searches at the suspect's place and seized equipment for receiving and transmitting television signals. According to the authorities, a man born in 1975 provided services to at least 181 residents of Latvia.

He is facing charges under Article 280 of the Latvian Criminal Code, which relates to engaging in entrepreneurial activity subject to special restrictions. He could be sentenced to up to three years in prison.

Those who had Russian channels installed by him could face fines of up to 700 euros.

In 2022, all Russian television channels were banned in Latvia until "Russia returns the Ukrainian territories."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 11, 2024, 08:06:53 PM

Here it is
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/10460

??The Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine will allocate 152 million hryvnia to block television and radio signals from Russia, Belarus and Transnistria.

The equipment should be installed in nine regions, including Odessa, Kharkov and Kiev regions, by May 1.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2024, 09:02:07 AM
A constant in war for the second straight century my friend.

Now, this is something, see this?

The new head of the Ukrainian army, Oleksandr Syrskyi, is known as “the butcher” by his own troops, and there are fears his aggressive style will lead to massive losses for Ukrainians in the east on top of already high casualties.

While President Zelensky claims that Ukraine has suffered only 31, 000 soldier deaths, most analysts, and those in Ukraine, know that number is far from reality. In fact, Ukraine’s ally, the United States, estimates that Ukraine had lost 70,000 men already last summer, on top of many more severely wounded or psychologically traumatized. The number of missing also remains high.

In a new interview with Politico, one soldier who wished to remain anonymous warned about the 58-year-old Syrskyi, saying: “He will kill us all.”

Politico reports that Ukrainian troops reportedly refer to the new commander of Ukraine’s ground forces as someone willing to put his troops in harm’s way to achieve his goals. Syrskyi, who was born in central Russia, is known for his “hard-driving Soviet-style” tactics.
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He is filling in the shoes of the former commander of Ukraine, Valeriy Zalushny, who is still well-loved by the troops and who is said to have placed their safety as one of his top priorities.
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Syrskyi reportedly gained his reputation as a “butcher” due to his willingness to hold the city of Bakhmut against Russian forces at nearly any cost, leading to high Ukrainian casualty rates. U.S. intelligence had long advised that Ukrainian forces should abandon the town, while Syrskyi kept sending more men into the war-torn city.

Zelensky said the city must be held at all costs, which put him at odds with the former General Zalushny, who advocated a withdrawal.

Ukraine reportedly lost a large number of well-trained troops in Bakhmut, while Russia lost large numbers of former convicts who conducted “human wave” assaults on the city.

Nevertheless, Syrskyi can boast some serious victories, including his pivotal defense of Kyiv along with the lightning blitz seen in Kharkiv that drove out Russian forces in the area.

(https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2024-03-11_13-04-31.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hell-kill-us-all-new-head-ukrainian-forces-nicknamed-butcher-own-troops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/hell-kill-us-all-new-head-ukrainian-forces-nicknamed-butcher-own-troops)

He seems nice...   :o
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 12, 2024, 09:44:10 AM
This snippet 34:18 and runs through 37:55 on the weaponizing of the dollar is good - https://youtu.be/okcmejPdAXw

The rest is Cuomo being well, Cuomo being Cuomo...

First, Tucker is the only person -beside myself- who I have seen accurately outline the cause and consequence of the Russia sanction regime.  Why hasn’t Tucker expanded on this in granular detail?   The issue is much, much larger, than just simple sanctions.  There is a global agenda afoot, an intentional global cleaving, which was predicated by that specific sanction regime.

Second, he knows.  You can tell by the way Tucker frames the “I don’t know what’s really going on” aspect, that he really does know…. but he’s scared.  Tucker is scared of the consequences if he outlines in detail how the USIC and by extension the entire USA governmental system, is using Russia as a tool toward a larger corporate/globalist agenda.

It is annoying, albeit somewhat understandable in the larger picture, to see important voices who have reach – recoil and self-censor because they are fearful of the personal consequences.   Things are about to get very ugly. The Western dollar-based financial system is being weaponized against liberty. The American people are about to discover the scale and scope of consequence behind this intent, and the American people deserve to know the details of how and why this global cleaving is being pushed.
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/11/an-important-4-minutes-within-tucker-carlson-interview/

And Tucker is wise to get on record not wanting to be imprisoned as a political prisoner given the actions of the demonazis in Congress, the Administration and the sundry Soros-funded stooges in Judicial circles.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2024, 07:20:00 PM


Had anyone explained why the sanctions did not work?  Vox Day said it was because free trade is harmful.

Navalny was a nobody who should have stayed out of the country. The US builds him up.  IMO he was guilty of lots of bad stuff.

Sanctions kinda are the opposite of free trade. Maybe free trade is bad for an economy.I liked this book and it made sense. As I recall, there are lots of somewhat hidden secondary effects of free trade. The sanctions on Russia ended the bad effects of free trade.

I watched too many telegram videos early in the Ukr war. Also some ride alongs by Patrick Lancaster with the DPR militia. That region did not deindustrialize. The former jobs of the DPR militia people were industrial and hard core. Also, USSR and likely Russia only have a small pct go onto a 4 year university and only if they can pass tests. I recall they might get slotted for vocational school in 8th grade.

https://www.amazon.com/Free-Trade-Doesnt-Work-Replace/dp/0578079674 (https://www.amazon.com/Free-Trade-Doesnt-Work-Replace/dp/0578079674)
Free Trade Doesn't Work: What Should Replace It and Why, 2011 Edition Paperback – February 17, 2011
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2024, 07:37:23 PM


https://youtu.be/G7DgPuPNZuc
Matthew Hoh: PRESTO - New Found Money for Ukraine
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 12, 2024, 07:46:45 PM
I recall this lawsuit a while back and previously heard about this Canadian Prof who wrote a book.

https://youtu.be/mh6RYyhDmqU
 Ukrainian Court Admits Massacre at Maidan Was ‘False Flag,' US Media Ignores Explosive Report

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In an explosive revelation, a Ukrainian court recently determined that the 2014 Maidan massacre in Ukraine, which led to then-President Viktor Yanukovych’s ouster, was a false-flag operation. The court’s verdict concludes that far-right forces carried out the massacre of over 100 Maidan activists that the Yanukovych government was falsely blamed for, in order to orchestrate regime change. Ivan Katchanovski, a Ukrainian and Canadian political scientist at the School of Political Studies at the University of Ottawa, says that the media is deliberately burying this story, which he investigated using publicly available information, due to the profound implications these findings have in the world’s knowledge of the true origins of the Russia-Ukraine war.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2024, 08:30:06 AM
Assuming that is correct...then these also must be true...

*The ease with which it was successful shows how weak the Yanukovych government apparently was and also how apparently riddled with opponents/sympathizers of opponents it was to be oblivious of the actions of a band of (gasp!) "far-right forces" within their midst.

*The ignorance of Russian intelligence which had no intel whatsoever of these forces and had given their friendly neighbor no heads up as to any possible schemes afoot.  Especially interesting given the fact that those promoting CIA-driven regime changes, color revolutions and the like that toppled governments everywhere else and who profess this was all known to be true immediately by people smarter than Western leaders...were completely snookered by an outfit that can't ever tell what other nations are up to with any credibility to its own citizens and leaders.



Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 13, 2024, 08:38:14 AM
This is hilarious...a CIA report sourced by CNN...can it get anymore BS than that?

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-producing-3-times-more-shells-us-europe-combined-nato-report (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/russia-producing-3-times-more-shells-us-europe-combined-nato-report)

I deem this total BS and an obvious PR campaign to influence retarded people to support wasting more funds and ammo on the Ukrainian quagmire.  If the DeepState and retarded politicians et al want to support war - volunteer your funds, your lives, and the lives of your children...I mean it, get your effing asses over there right now if it so important to you!!!

Otherwise, go outside and play hide and go bleep yourself.

So sick of this BS!

As for this...they can do little else...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-paramilitary-groups-launch-another-cross-border-raid-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-paramilitary-groups-launch-another-cross-border-raid-russia)

But this had to make me chuckle a bit -  "The settlement of Tyotkino in the Kursk region is entirely under the control of Russian liberation forces,"

Uhh, you are in previous long-established Russian territory...this statement makes it sound like you lost it all and it had to be liberated...you cannot liberate what was never taken, Ivan! 
 ::hysterical::

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 12:32:12 PM
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Ukraine-based groups identifying themselves as the Freedom of Russia Legion and the Siberian Battalion

I recently heard some former US military who named the US general who went to Syria and said US arming ISIS or AQ was bad PR so he named them the "Free Syrian Army."
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 12:50:44 PM


Had Duran on. France and Baltics proposed sending their troops to the Ukr rear to borders with Belarus or Odessa to free up Ukr troops for the front.

Belarus has been complaining that NATO is trying to encircle his country. This backs that up.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 01:17:29 PM
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Ukraine-based groups identifying themselves as the Freedom of Russia Legion and the Siberian Battalion

I recently heard some former US military who named the US general who went to Syria and said US arming ISIS or AQ was bad PR so he named them the "Free Syrian Army."

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bdviq7/ru_pov_russian_soldiers_parody_the_soldiers_from/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bdviq7/ru_pov_russian_soldiers_parody_the_soldiers_from/)
RU POV: Russian soldiers parody the soldiers from the RDK and say that they are leading into battle in Kiev.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 13, 2024, 07:18:14 PM
Some French document got leaked on the hopeless situation for Kiev in Ukraine. One officer said against the Russians the French would be an army of cheerleaders. Fall of 2023. then later more recent.
Link to 13 min. Less than 10 min

Kiev needs 35K men per month but recruits less than half of that. 2023 offensive destroyed half of Kiev's tactical brigades. We can't #D print men. Grance could send troops to the rear.

Battle of Adveeka was a rout. 


https://youtu.be/yPhnA8sgRvg?t=776 (https://youtu.be/yPhnA8sgRvg?t=776)
Putin, vampire ball is ending. France leaked docs; Ukraine can't win. Biden, Orban dictatorship

https://www.rt.com/news/594168-french-military-reports-ukraine/ (https://www.rt.com/news/594168-french-military-reports-ukraine/)
https://www.marianne.net/monde/europe/guerre-en-ukraine-endurance-russe-echec-de-la-contre-offensive-ce-que-cache-le-virage-de-macron (https://www.marianne.net/monde/europe/guerre-en-ukraine-endurance-russe-echec-de-la-contre-offensive-ce-que-cache-le-virage-de-macron)

Kiev tries a PR stunt during the RU election. Invading near Belgorad and Kursk.
https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1767774236591182301 (https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1767774236591182301)
Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
The only win Ukraine's gotten all week.

Only cost them hundreds of dead soldiers, hundreds of pointlessly-expended drones, and about a battalion of armor they could have probably used to keep the front line from caving in elsewhere but hey, gotta prioritize!

https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1767769139480060371 (https://twitter.com/ArmchairW/status/1767769139480060371)

Armchair Warlord
@ArmchairW
Apparently there's been some huge psyop going on all day where the Ukrainians have been claiming to be invading Russia from basement sound stages in Kiev.

Meanwhile the Russian MoD is posting footage left and right of them getting blown up... across the border in Ukraine.

Wild.

Also
Switzerland is considering taking $8B in frozen RU assets in their banks. Gee what could go wrong?  It's not like they rely on international banking and trust. /s
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2024, 08:55:40 AM
Kinda surprised the desperation hasn't kicked in for DeepState/FJB regime...

But, no HR2 action for the border...no funds...

Too bad so sad...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2024, 03:52:01 PM

Macron gave a speech today Said he would not rule out putting troops in Ukr but not needed today.
Putin said they would be viewed as combatants even if along distant borders in Ukr to free up Ukr troops.

https://apnews.com/article/france-macron-ukraine-troops-caa788d2455dafb06dd87f79c4afe06f


By SYLVIE CORBET
Updated 2:55 PM CDT, March 14, 2024

PARIS (AP) — French President Emmanuel Macron reiterated Thursday his position that sending Western troops into Ukraine should not be ruled out, but said that today’s situation doesn’t require that.

In an interview on French national television Thursday, Macron was asked about the prospect of sending Western troops to Ukraine, which he publicly raised last month in comments that prompted pushback from other European leaders.

“We’re not in that situation today,” he said, but added that “all these options are possible.”

Macron said that responsibility for prompting such a move would lie with Moscow — “It wouldn’t be us” — and said France would not lead an offensive into Ukraine. But he also said “Today, to have peace in Ukraine, we must not be weak.”

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2024, 04:03:22 PM
Those 3 leaked French documents said the French army would be like an army of cheerleaders against the Russians.
Vox Day used AI.
https://voxday.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/image-28.png
(https://voxday.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/image-28.png)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2024, 04:38:19 PM
I dunno man...see an army of ladies looking that good marching at me...   ::thinking::

"What's a gal like you doing in a war like this? 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2024, 05:30:52 PM
???
https://t.me/ukraine_watch/18465 (https://t.me/ukraine_watch/18465)
🤔 "There will be French troops in Ukraine. There will be no red lines. I am the president of France and I decide," — Macron

"We negotiated as best we could, but there is nothing to talk about with them. Ukraine must win," the French president added.

? At the same time, Macron also said the following in his interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdb9L3BBnq0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gdb9L3BBnq0)) for France 2:

- France's defence industry is not ready for a high-intensity conflict.

- France is not at war with Russia, but the West must not let it win;

- Paris has no intention of taking the lead in escalating the conflict in Ukraine;

- The current conflict is existential for Europe and France;

- The Ukrainian counter-offensive did not go as planned;

- Peace is not Ukraine's capitulation;

- the use of loans to finance support for Kiev cannot be ruled out.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 14, 2024, 05:57:55 PM

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/91428
Rogov reports that the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant is under enemy fire.

The Nazis fired at the critical infrastructure facility of the Zaporozhye Nuclear Power Plant.

The explosive device was dropped five meters from the fuel storage facility.

@Slavyangrad
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 11:03:17 AM
Macron gave a cringeworthy interview tht was AI dubbed into English. I only watched one minute. Ugh.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/25390


A 1 min segment. Macron is nuts. Worth the 1 min watch.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/25412
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 11:30:08 AM

I recall voting in the Russian controlled areas is a crime under Kiev law. Some guy got prison time for carrying a ballot box. He remained behind after Kiev retook some area.
 


https://t.me/myLordBebo/25415
🇷🇺"A girl threw a Molotov cocktail on the porch of school No. 358, where two polling stations have been operating since the morning. The target was a poster about the elections,” media reports.

She explained to the police that she received the task to commit arson from a certain “Ukrainian telegram channel”; they promised to pay her.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 11:32:27 AM

Russian language is weird and even harder than I imagined. I recall maybe 14 different forms for "you", now this cursive.

https://t.me/putingers_cat/9319
...Just in case you are not intimidated enough as a Russian language learner...

Here's some salt for your wounds ;)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 15, 2024, 12:43:47 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/)

 ::laughonfloor::
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 01:08:55 PM
Ukr makes a fake video of them invading Kursk it says. Other sources gave other examples shot in Ukraine not across the RU border.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bfjixw/ru_pov_yesterday_the_ukrainian_armed_forces/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bfjixw/ru_pov_yesterday_the_ukrainian_armed_forces/)
RU POV: Yesterday, the Ukrainian Armed Forces published a video in which Ukrainian armored personnel carriers drive through Kursk, but forgot to remove the signs with Ukrainian inscriptions.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 01:12:41 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/)

 ::laughonfloor::

I would expect them to have some inertial aviation also.
I knew a USAF guy in a B-52. He had to kept current on using a sextant.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 15, 2024, 09:31:01 PM

I heard that some film about Mariupol won some award recently.
These clips are all new to me but consistent with what I saw over a year ago.
For the most part the city was not defended by residents against the DPR/Russians.
It was invaded by AZOV who hated the locals, dug in, and killed them on occasion.
I listened to what people like AZOV said on video. They really hate the locals.
In a group of 10 POWs 1-2 had NAZI tattoos.

Here is a link. 5 min long.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49562

This is why western MSM is not allowed behind Russian controlled lines. Can you imagine MSNBC talking to these people?


Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 16, 2024, 05:37:17 PM


https://t.me/geopolitics_live/18707
Patriot missile systems too complex and expensive to be sent to Ukraine without US chaperones - ex-DoD analyst

The US government may be lying, “by omission and also directly,” while claiming that no US personnel were sent to Ukraine to maintain and operate Patriot complex weapon systems provided to Kiev by Washington, says retired US Air Force Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former analyst for the US Department of Defense.

“Given the vulnerability and the expense and the limited number of these systems, I find it difficult to believe that the US contractors and US operators are not involved and monitoring day-to-day activities in each of these areas of operation,” she notes. “Maintenance of these systems requires over a year of training, and I expect major maintenance is being monitored and done by US contractors and servicemen.”

Noting that the Patriot missile systems that were supplied to Kiev were provided by Germany and the US, along with “some missiles and parts from the Netherlands,” Kwiatkowsky argues that “contracted US support connected directly to those countries may also be in the country,” thus “providing deniability for the Pentagon.”

She also suggests that, given the cost of the Patriot systems and missiles, and “the extensive training required for all aspects of this expensive system, the predictions last year of these systems being largely a political statement of support rather than a significant system of air defense for Ukrainian cities, seems to be valid.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2024, 10:55:52 AM
Early on they say that some world leaders are having second thoughts about backing Ukraine but the public sees this in absolute moral terms. Good vs evil and we are good. The Norwegian guy said even Norway sees this as good vs evil.

I linked 1 hr 34 min.Good summary. All the people back when who were against NATO expansion were hawks. Now saying that makes you a Putin puppet. Also, some like Clinton, Matlock, James Baker said that bringing all these countries, especially Ukr,  into NATO would start a new cold war. Merkle said it would viewed as a declaration of war. .See 1 hr 38 min.

 https://youtu.be/UNoUHzd1LcM?t=5673

One PR stunt was to seize nuclear weapons from a depot that is used to store them. The weapons may or may not have been relocated. That operation failed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2024, 10:57:22 AM
Ukr recently has been launching failed invasions of Russia, Wasting many lives and equipment. Even rare helicopters. All for PR stunts.

There is PMI index where above 50 is good and below is bad? Russia is 54?

Some of the failed operations were actually filmed inside Ukraine and even Ukr sources blow the whistle on this.
There are also a few fake videos of Russian soldiers enforcing votes for Putin or beating up voters in the polling place..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 17, 2024, 01:42:05 PM
The Duran said there were a lot of NATO fighters there
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/31892
🇷🇺🇺🇦 A large group of Western mercenaries was destroyed in a missile attack on the Mriya sanatorium in Odessa, about 100 mercenaries were eliminated, and more than 100 more were wounded (c) TASS

video of the site?
https://t.me/ZradaXXII/31899
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2024, 08:51:39 AM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russians-jam-gps-plane-carrying-uks-defense-minister/)

 ::laughonfloor::

I would expect them to have some inertial aviation also.
I knew a USAF guy in a B-52. He had to kept current on using a sextant.

I don't think they teach old school stuff anymore, got old fat and lazy...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 18, 2024, 12:45:07 PM
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russian-hypersonic-iskander-missile-attack-odessa-targets-mercenary/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/russian-hypersonic-iskander-missile-attack-odessa-targets-mercenary/)

Let the French or other suicidal morons defend Odessa...I could care less...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2024, 05:17:09 PM


Linked to 14 min. He talks about the punishments and trials for collaborators in retaken territories. 7,000 trials so far? Teachers, Govt employees. Maybe even voters?
Half the pop of Crimea would be expelled for taking Russian citizenship.

https://youtu.be/d_Muh4IdbMg?t=833
 Zelenskyy Back-Stabbed His Own People | Dr. Nicolai Petro
Neutrality Studies
86.3K subscribers

Mar 18, 2024
As the West is caught in its own delusional moral hubris, chances to make peace between Russia and Ukraine are being missed again and again. The biggest obstacle at this point are the pervasive myths that the West is telling itself to justify pushing for war instead of contemplating real negotiations.

Nicolai Petro is a Professor of Political science at the University of Rhode Island and has published the wonderful work “The Tragedy of Ukraine: What Classical Greek Tragedy Can Teach Us About Conflict”.

He recently published a short essay entitled “Four Myths That are Preventing Peace in Ukraine”. We want to discuss that one and later also the changes in the military situation, which apparently is leading to a change in the western narrative about Russian capabilities.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2024, 05:36:14 PM

level 3
silver_chief2
·
just now



Wikipedia has links to previous polls, some by USAID.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

https://youtu.be/h9RwYPsVpfM

Anthem of Russia, Crimea 2015 [Eng Sub]
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2024, 09:12:19 PM


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49970
??Residents of Lvov unexpectedly decided to open the eyes of all Ukrainian patriots regarding the standard of living under the USSR and the Kiev regime:

- "...Russian schools, kindergartens, houses, farms came, they built everything...the Ukrainians came and ruined everything. And what have you built in 30 years? You break and demolish everything! Just pennies, pennies!"
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 18, 2024, 09:22:03 PM


I posted earlier the Wikipedia link to the Crimea referendums. The US/UK/Kiev wants to blow stuff up.
The locals complanied that from 1991 to 2014 Ukraine never improved the place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/49971
🎉 Today marks the 🔟 anniversary of Crimea's historic reunification with Russia.

During this time, life on the peninsula has been radically transformed - a colossal work has been done to improve the economic, investment, cultural and tourist attractiveness of Crimea, which today is one of the most dynamically developing regions not only in Russia, but also in the whole continent.

💬 Sergey Lavrov: Large-scale projects have been implemented and continue to be implemented, contributing to the revival and renewal of Crimea, its further integration into the political, legal and socio-economic space of Russia, and improving the quality of life of its citizens (from the Minister's video message on the occasion of the 10th anniversary of the Crimean Spring, March 16, 2024).

Over the past 10 years in Crimea:

? The largest transportation infrastructure facilities have been built:

- Crimean Bridge - the longest bridge in Europe, a symbol of Crimea's reunification with Russia.

- Simferopol International Airport is one of the most comfortable, well-equipped and modern in Russia.

- The Tavrida highway, which connected cities from Kerch to Sevastopol.

? Social infrastructure has been expanded and brought to a qualitatively new level:

- More than 7 million square meters of housing was put into operation.

- Several multidisciplinary medical centers were opened, including the N.A. Semashko Republican Clinical Hospital. N.A. Semashko Republican Clinical Hospital.

- The Artek camp, the largest international children's center in the world, was reconstructed.

- 3 major sports facilities were built, including the Water Sports Palace in Simferopol.

- 10 schools were built, 160 kindergartens were opened.

🤝 Special attention is paid to the harmonization of ethno-religious relations on the peninsula. An atmosphere of inter-ethnic and inter-confessional harmony is maintained in Crimea. Linguistic equality and diversity are respected.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 19, 2024, 09:34:42 AM
Crimea has become prime target #1...

British military officials advised that Ukraine should focus on defense in its ground fight against Russia in the east while focusing on targeted strikes against Crimea and Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, The Sunday Times reported.

The advice was given when British Defense Secretary Grant Shapps and UK Army Chief Antony Radakin visited Ukraine last week. The British officials said rather than attacking, Ukrainian forces should hold the line and pull back to more favorable ground if necessary.

"This will allow the Ukrainians to focus their efforts on the Black Sea and Crimea, where their forces, with the help of Western long-range missiles, have landed significant blows over the past six months," the report said.

A recording of a conversation between German military officers that was recently published by Russian media revealed that the UK has soldiers "on the ground" in Ukraine helping Ukrainian forces use Storm Shadow missiles, which have a range of 155 miles, making them capable of hitting targets throughout Crimea.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-tells-ukraine-focus-targeting-crimea (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-tells-ukraine-focus-targeting-crimea)

And Lindsey Graham the Brave is wanting to spend every last Ukrainian life to defeat Russia...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue)

...naturally, neither he, his fellow chest-beaters in Congress or his counterparts in Europe are willing to lead by example, so really how important is this, really?!

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops)

...I see nothing indicating WWIII isn't coming.

PS - What is The Kenyan doing at #10 Downing Street?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/)

Whatever that treasonous POS is up to cannot be good for life or liberty.

And this...

https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc (https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments)

Coincidence?

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2024, 01:53:23 PM


I was reminded of this, The western MSM and govt positions are so fragile that even a little bit of contrary facts harm them Looks how scared people were from just one Tucker interview.

The case with Anne-Laure Bonnel says all that's needed about western media freedom.
https://infobrics.org/post/36856/
Wednesday, October 19, 2022
French journalist loses her job after reporting situation in Donbass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2024, 02:01:07 PM
Crimea has become prime target #1...

 ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue)

...naturally, neither he, his fellow chest-beaters in Congress or his counterparts in Europe are willing to lead by example, so really how important is this, really?!

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops)

...I see nothing indicating WWIII isn't coming.

PS - What is The Kenyan doing at #10 Downing Street?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/)

Whatever that treasonous POS is up to cannot be good for life or liberty.

And this...

https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc (https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments)

Coincidence?

Graham is sick. Again no mention of people. in WWII I recall there was some mention of liberating the French from NAZIs.
What the people of Crimea want to well known and documented.  The US be happy to kill or expel most of them.

I do not want to see a US carrier with 5K dead at the bottom of a sea but it might be  best for Us foreign policy.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2024, 07:24:09 PM

These figures are from the Russian MOD
https://southfront.press/about-40-of-all-foreign-mercenaries-in-ukraine-destroyed/
About 40% Of All Foreign Mercenaries In Ukraine Destroyed
...
As of March 2024, the Ukrainian army lost 5,962 foreigners during the ongoing Russian special military operation. Most of mercenaries came to Ukraine from Poland, the United States, Canada and Georgia:

    1,497 out of 2,960 Polish mercenaries have been eliminated;
    561 out of 1,042 Georgian militants;
    491 out of 1,113 mercenaries from the US;
    422 out of 1005 fighters from Canada.

822 mercenaries arrived from the UK, of which 360 were killed.

Out of 784 Romanian mercenaries, 349 militants were killed.

From Germany, 235 militants arrived to take part in hostilities in Ukraine, 88 of them were killed.

While Macron is looking for servicemen to be officially sent to Ukraine, France has already lost 147 citizens out of 356 militants who came to support Kiev.

“It is worth noting that France, which at all levels denies the presence of its mercenaries on the territory of Ukraine, has already lost 147 fighters out of 356 who arrived,” – the Russian MoD commented.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 19, 2024, 08:29:17 PM
Said to be good but does not talk about Ukraine much?

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Alex Vershinin
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2024, 09:38:04 AM
Crimea has become prime target #1...

 ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-graham-urges-expanded-conscription-despite-mounting-war-fatigue)

...naturally, neither he, his fellow chest-beaters in Congress or his counterparts in Europe are willing to lead by example, so really how important is this, really?!

As for this...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-warns-full-scale-ww3-victory-speech-should-west-send-troops)

...I see nothing indicating WWIII isn't coming.

PS - What is The Kenyan doing at #10 Downing Street?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/ (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/president-obama-visits-british-prime-minister-rishi-sunak/)

Whatever that treasonous POS is up to cannot be good for life or liberty.

And this...

https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc (https://youtu.be/dT5qeH161Rc)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/03/18/curiouser-and-curiouser-you-decide/comment-page-2/#comments)

Coincidence?

Graham is sick. Again no mention of people. in WWII I recall there was some mention of liberating the French from NAZIs.
What the people of Crimea want to well known and documented.  The US be happy to kill or expel most of them.

I do not want to see a US carrier with 5K dead at the bottom of a sea but it might be  best for Us foreign policy.

Well, that would get nukes flying.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2024, 09:40:17 AM
Said to be good but does not talk about Ukraine much?

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Alex Vershinin

This is actually helpful.  Sadly, the US is not going to get into a protracted war of attrition...nor Europe...and so the risk of going even to just tactical nukes remains dangerously high if any wider engagement proves disasterous for the West.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2024, 09:41:21 AM
And here's some more "no sh*t?" news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-top-polish-army-chief-admits-ukraine-losing-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-top-polish-army-chief-admits-ukraine-losing-war)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-units-ukraine-will-be-priority-target-warns-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-units-ukraine-will-be-priority-target-warns-russia)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 20, 2024, 01:38:08 PM
Proves my point that they all lust for bloodshed...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/rocket-men-iran-warned-not-sell-missiles-russia/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/rocket-men-iran-warned-not-sell-missiles-russia/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2024, 02:02:02 PM
And here's some more "no sh*t?" news -

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-top-polish-army-chief-admits-ukraine-losing-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/former-top-polish-army-chief-admits-ukraine-losing-war)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-units-ukraine-will-be-priority-target-warns-russia (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/french-units-ukraine-will-be-priority-target-warns-russia)

Early in this war Russia sent some hypersonic missile into Ukr near some far border with Romania or Hungary  just to show it worked. It blew up some military base or warehouse. People said the message was they can hit anything they want, even Warsaw.

Warning NK not to do something is lame bc it looks lame when they then do it..
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2024, 02:30:07 PM
Said to be good but does not talk about Ukraine much?

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Alex Vershinin

This is actually helpful.  Sadly, the US is not going to get into a protracted war of attrition...nor Europe...and so the risk of going even to just tactical nukes remains dangerously high if any wider engagement proves disasterous for the West.

I did not read the linked article yet. The summary from Alexander  was that in order to prevail the west would have to change everything in society and military.  The article is said to discuss examples of attrition warfare but not Ukraine. Maybe the editor picked the title.

I watched lots of social media about the war early one.  Many DPR militia ride alongs. I wanted to see if they were really from the Donbass. They were. Also the jobs they held before militia. Heavy industry, mining, welding, machinery. WWII posters for USSR said things like "Don't mess with the Donbass." USSR and Russia never closed all the shop classes.
Much later I saw a DPR soldier from Russia but he had not been in the military and moved older and volunteered.

Some Donetsk City residential and commercial neighborhood was getting shelled. They made respiratory safety equipment for mining. Masks. They had not sent the work to China. The women were in the basement bomb shelters singing songs..

Lots of heavy industry could be used for many things. The tractor factories could be or were used to make tanks.  I recall the washing machine factories in USSR built around a motor factory. The same motors were used in small sawmills and lathes.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2024, 06:14:21 PM
A good interview. Sachs was in the loop with the WH in Dec 2021 and learned what they wanted to happen.

https://youtu.be/c586OPde_NA
 Piers Morgan vs Jeffrey Sachs: "Can You Not Find Anything Negative To Say About Putin?"
Piers Morgan Uncensored

2.46M subscribers
 
387,517 views  Mar 18, 2024  #jeffreysachs #tiktokban #hitler
Piers Morgan is joined by Professor Jeffrey Sachs to discuss Vladimir Putin's fifth term as Russia's President, the ongoing war in Ukraine and who he thinks is to blame, America's potential TikTok ban, along with Israel's actions in Gaza.

Sachs criticises the United States who he says is responsible for exacerbating tensions with Russia, particularly through support for Ukraine and NATO expansion.

He argued that the overthrow of the Yanukovych government in 2014 was a critical turning point that led to the current crisis in Ukraine. By pushing for regime change and destabilizing the region, the US inadvertently contributed to the escalation of the conflict and strained relations with Russia.

00:00 - Introduction
02:13 - Professor Sachs on Russia's invasion of Ukraine: “This war was completely avoidable”
07:13 - Professor Sachs 'begged the White House many times to avoid war in Ukraine'
14:08 - Why can’t you say anything critical of Putin or Russia?

14:52 - A bid to ban TikTok and its influence
15:58 - “Do I find China a threat to the U.S.? No, not at all”
19:44 - Are there any bad guys in the world?
20:31 - What would you have done with Hitler after he invaded?
22:16 - The war in Israel: “We’ve never seen a Government like this before”
26:33 - Professor Sachs on U.S. politics: The country is “broken right now”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 20, 2024, 08:38:16 PM
I skimmed this.

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine

The fastest way to lose a war of attrition is to focus on manoeuvre, expending valuable resources on near-term territorial objectives. Recognising that wars of attrition have their own art is vital to winning them without sustaining crippling losses.
...
In this context, a successful strategy accepts that the war will last at least two years and be broken into two distinct phases. The first phase ranges from initiation of hostilities to the point where sufficient combat power has been mobilised to allow decisive action. It will see little positional shifting on the ground, focusing on favourable exchange of losses and building up combat power in the rear. The dominant form of combat is fires rather than manoeuvre, complemented by extensive fortifications and camouflage. The peacetime army starts the war and conducts holding actions, providing time to mobilise resources and train the new army.
...
The second phase can commence after one side has met the following conditions.
...
Only after meeting these criteria should offensive operations commence. They should be launched across a broad front, seeking to overwhelm the enemy at multiple points with shallow attacks.
...

After that, combat solidifies. This period lasts at least a year-and-a-half to two years. During this period, major offensive operations should be avoided. Even if large attacks are successful, they will result in significant casualties, often for meaningless territorial gains. An army should never accept a battle on unfavourable terms. In attritional war, any terrain that does not have a vital industrial centre is irrelevant. It is always better to retreat and preserve forces, regardless of the political consequences.
...
Propaganda is used to support military operations, not the other way around.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2024, 08:35:55 AM
Said to be good but does not talk about Ukraine much?

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/attritional-art-war-lessons-russian-war-ukraine
The Attritional Art of War: Lessons from the Russian War on Ukraine
Alex Vershinin

This is actually helpful.  Sadly, the US is not going to get into a protracted war of attrition...nor Europe...and so the risk of going even to just tactical nukes remains dangerously high if any wider engagement proves disasterous for the West.

I did not read the linked article yet. The summary from Alexander  was that in order to prevail the west would have to change everything in society and military.  The article is said to discuss examples of attrition warfare but not Ukraine. Maybe the editor picked the title.

I watched lots of social media about the war early one.  Many DPR militia ride alongs. I wanted to see if they were really from the Donbass. They were. Also the jobs they held before militia. Heavy industry, mining, welding, machinery. WWII posters for USSR said things like "Don't mess with the Donbass." USSR and Russia never closed all the shop classes.
Much later I saw a DPR soldier from Russia but he had not been in the military and moved older and volunteered.

Some Donetsk City residential and commercial neighborhood was getting shelled. They made respiratory safety equipment for mining. Masks. They had not sent the work to China. The women were in the basement bomb shelters singing songs..

Lots of heavy industry could be used for many things. The tractor factories could be or were used to make tanks.  I recall the washing machine factories in USSR built around a motor factory. The same motors were used in small sawmills and lathes.

It's Soviet Doctrine...something Stalinists excelled at...making a sh*t-ton of low-cost weapons (the AK is an example, utilitarian, blunt, maybe not the most accurate but durable) and using numbers to wear down the enemy and then overwhelm him when weakened enough...akin the the rope-a-dope of Ali.  Nothing new or glamorous about it it.  Utilitarian.  The West relies on superior systems and technology...Russia is employing a mix, some of the old Soviet Doctrine with sprinkles of technology.  And, as if it wasn't obvious they have position.  The only way the West could hope to challenge conventionally (which buildups in Poland and Romania indicate) is to launch a preemptive attack on a long front...say like from Norway to the Black Sea which is over 1600 miles, much longer given borders...and hope to make (really hard) deep incursions and then hope to (extremely hard) hold it and negotiate an end from a position of strength.  Even though this means getting an immense perhaps even impossible number of ducks in a row...and even if it is position-wise scaled down to just Baltics to Black Sea still a Herculean task...sadly, it cannot be discounted these maniacs are thinking just that...and then the tactical nuke response would be in Russia's hands.

This insanity must be prevented, there has to be a settlement.  Even a perpetual skirmish laden uneasy coexistence in Ukraine is preferable to that insanity. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 21, 2024, 09:09:03 AM
The Raider will be the backbone of the USAF's bomber fleet, replacing the B-2A Spirit and B-1B Lancer bombers in the coming years.

"The limited production rate of the B-21 is the only thing that I wish we could do a little quicker," Gen. Anthony J. Cotton said during a recent Senate Armed Services Committee.

And why is that?

Well, you'll find that answer here: "Putin Warns Of 'Full-Scale WW3' If West Sends Troops To Ukraine."

https://www.zerohedge.com/military/northrop-grumman-releases-new-image-b-21-stealth-bomber (https://www.zerohedge.com/military/northrop-grumman-releases-new-image-b-21-stealth-bomber)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-blasts-russian-spy-chiefs-remarks-irresponsible-provocation (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-blasts-russian-spy-chiefs-remarks-irresponsible-provocation)

All trends bad.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2024, 03:10:13 PM

What I found interesting was the timing in the article matched the Russian timing. They seemed to mostly sit still and train the troops for a long time.  Kiev made things worse for themselves with the counter attack against Russian defenses.
Now the advance along a long front as described in the article. The MSM likes to call it a stalemate as the Russians did not take much land. IMO their intention was to grind down the enemy.

This is brutal. Kiev soldiers maybe with concussions from the FAB bombs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bjnk9i/ua_pov_affected_afu_soldiers_after_surviving_a/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1bjnk9i/ua_pov_affected_afu_soldiers_after_surviving_a/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2024, 03:22:36 PM

I only watched a little so far. So far it is from the Polish point of view going back a ways.
https://rtd.rt.com/films/inventing-ukraine/
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 21, 2024, 03:34:46 PM
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1769031992757121112
Yes there is a shortage of young people but the UKR  government has yet to take elementary measures. It should set the conscription age at 18, and revoke the passports of males under 40 who do not return to be tested for conscription. A War of Independence requires nothing less
https://twitter.com/ELuttwak/status/1768996355106545826
In Ukraine the age of conscription is 27, that is when people have started to work & have children. Naturally not many show up. Now they are discussing lowering the age to 25, still absurd. 18 is the right age, with bodies of growing strength. The Ukraine army is much too small

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GIzXqFTWkAA0mUV?format=png&name=small)

https://t.me/RWApodcast/994
Graham is not the only one calling for the conscription of Ukrainian zoomers. Neocon Luttwak also called for the lowering of a conscription age.

So, we can see that this idea is becoming entrenched on the fringes of the American establishment. Sooner or later, It may become mainstream. This will lead to catastrophic consequences for Ukrainian people, given that the current stock of young people in this nation is at its historic low.

I propose, instead, we create two Volunteer battalions in the US. First one will be named Graham Brigade and will consist of homosexuals. And the second one will be Luttwak Brigade made of Jews. And they will fight their war instead of the Ukrainian youth.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2024, 08:10:48 AM
Why not 14?  10?

 I suggest putting Michel on the front line with Senator Lindsey Graham.

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/Graham-Leads-the-Charge-in-Ukrai.jpg)

Rut Roh!

(https://cms.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/European-Parliament-Polls-in-Fra.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-council-president-calls-europe-switch-war-economy (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/european-council-president-calls-europe-switch-war-economy)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2024, 11:48:42 AM
Well, great news for our adversaries...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/2025-department-defense-budget-request-disarms-america/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/03/2025-department-defense-budget-request-disarms-america/)

...it's almost like the corrupt compromised FJB wants America to fall...despite their BS about the existential threat in Ukraine and Putin's Russia...

This would benefit China too, a known Biden business partner...and a host of others as well...including millions of military aged males the POS let in...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2024, 03:43:55 PM
Peskov says this is now a "war".

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlins-unprecedented-description-ukraine-conflict-war-what-it-means (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/kremlins-unprecedented-description-ukraine-conflict-war-what-it-means)

Can't say it isn't.

And OMG, what the Hell is this?

Update(1440ET): Russian state media as well as The Wall Street Journal's regional correspondent is reporting at least 40 people killed, and over 100 wounded and injured, in the unfolding major terror attack on Moscow's largest concert hall.

Initial videos have emerged showing what appears to be attackers in combat fatigues with assault rifles going around the mall part of the venue (which is attached to the concert hall) and shooing randomly. There are reports from RT of follow-up blasts happening even amid a huge security, police, and emergency response.

A mere days ago the US Embassy in Moscow released the following alert telling all US nationals still in the country to avoid large gatherings and public venues. What did they know?

(Comment - Russian news is saying there have been "warnings" the past few weeks.)

Russia has called the shooting a 'bloody terrorist attack' in an initial statement. The White House has also issued an initial assessment as follows:

WHITE HOUSE: NO INDICATION AT THIS TIME THAT UKRAINE INVOLVED IN MOSCOW SHOOTING
MOSCOW CANCELS ALL THE WEEKEND MASS GATHERINGS - MAYOR
Unconfirmed reports say some of the attackers may still be at large.

Some kind of major attack just occurred at a Moscow concert hall with contradictory breaking reports emerging from on the ground and several circulating unconfirmed videos. There are possibly at least ten casualties and videos from the scene showing a large fire and plumes of black smoke over the venue. It may have been the result of a large explosion, or possibly even a cross-border drone strike, but conflicting reports say this is likely a mass shooting situation. According to the breaking Associated Press report, at least three gunmen in combat gear stormed the concert hall, with riot police responding:

Several gunmen in combat fatigues burst into a big concert hall in Moscow on Friday and fired automatic weapons at the crowd, injuring an unspecified number of people, Russian media said.

Russian news reports said that the assailants also used explosives, causing a massive blaze at the Crocus City Hall on the western edge of Moscow. Video posted on social media showed huge plumes of black smoke rising over the building.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mass-shooting-attack-explosions-moscows-largest-concert-hall-reports (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mass-shooting-attack-explosions-moscows-largest-concert-hall-reports)

The RT feed is blaming Ukraine and Nazis in a continuation of that rhetoric, but this is no different than what Hamas did to Israel...except as far as we know here there are not women being raped and babies slaughtered and hostages taken.

It also appears from the "some of the attackers may still be at large" comment that some may be in custody...not sure if that means alive or not...but regardless they identify these terrorists as connected to Ukraine and the war some serious sh*t is going to hit the fan!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 22, 2024, 04:00:27 PM
Update(1635ET): Moscow has come out with fighting words while also pointing the finger at Washington about 'what it knew' ahead of time and when:

Medvedev threatens Ukraine's top officials will be 'destroyed mercilessly as terrorists' if the 'Kyiv regime' is linked to Moscow concert hall attack.

The former president Deputy Chairman of the Security Council is known to routinely issue threatening and hawkish words, but the Russian foreign ministry has issued the following as cited in Reuters:

"On what basis do officials in Washington draw any conclusions in the midst of a tragedy about someone’s innocence?” She added that if Washington had information, it should be shared and that if Washington had no information, it should not be talking in such a way.

At least one of the attackers is said to be in Russian custody, also as security services inspect a van in the vicinity and other suspicious vehicles.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1771258370193813801 (https://twitter.com/i/status/1771258370193813801)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mass-shooting-attack-explosions-moscows-largest-concert-hall-reports (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/mass-shooting-attack-explosions-moscows-largest-concert-hall-reports)

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 04:07:04 PM



Remember that the US funded the Chechen terrorists inside Russia year back. Beslan school opening day and Moscow explosions.

A video link of the recent shootings.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/26039
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 04:27:08 PM

Hamas and Hezbollah and random jihadis see this shooting and think of the Mall of America.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 04:39:16 PM

In the past when Kiev realizes they are losing they thrash out. Recently attacking the ZapNPP. Also attack belograd.
I heard they hope to provoke a retaliation which will drag NATO in directly.

So far Moscow has not retaliated in kind. It is not Russian policy to attack purely civilian targets. If you listen to Kiev factions on social media it is official Kiev policy.

Lots more like this.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/25990
🇺🇦🇷🇺🚨?? Women walking her dog hit by random shelling of Belgorod.
Rest in peace
Ukraine cries that they are running out of weapons, but still find resources to shoot at civilians

Also I saw Kiev reported Russian strike on a Ukr apt building. Then someone noticed they had blurred out the lettering on the rocket. I saw similar long ago. Kiev TV showed some brave guy deactivating a 'Russian' mine that washed up on Odessa beach. The lettering was blurred out.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 04:51:28 PM


https://t.me/myLordBebo/26069
Footage of the beginning of the attack on Crocus. The gunmen got out of the white Renault and opened fire.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 07:29:03 PM

This is what Ritter said. The Banderites were put into Gulags then let out and US funded them.
https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/235337
Around 7-8 yrs - After Stalin's death the idiot Chrushchev released the scumbags and Uncle Sam planted their brown seed again.

The video has some history.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 22, 2024, 08:36:44 PM



Larry Johnson noted that the US embassy issued a warning of a crowd attack two weeks ago. Then some CIA outlet OSINT said the US was concerned about 'unauthorized brazen actions' by Kiev.

Now the US govt says it knows Ukr was not involved 1 hour after the attack. They have no idea so why say that.

https://youtu.be/a4jjguZ-_5s
Terrorist Attack on Moscow - Ukraine Committing Suicide? | Larry C. Johnson

Also US GAO says that only half of US latest gen fighters are flyable. Larry's friend says only 1/3 at his base are there. The rest are at LM getting SW bugs fixed.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 01:48:18 PM
Alex summarizes the attack on  Moscow. Also what I read elsewhere.
Weapons were in a cache. They were paid money online. Maybe Tajiks?
Fled on the so called Ukraine highway but stopped closer to Belarus likely on their way to Ukraine.
They said they had contacts inside Ukraine. Does not mean the Ukraine govt was involved.

https://youtu.be/WY65JFB-oRA
Moscow, Crocus City Hall; 11 arrested, 4 terrorists captured. Medvedev, terrorists must be destroyed

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 02:07:08 PM
I saw some video of one of the terrorists being tortured on the ground. I think they cut off an ear and told him to eat it.
If he did not they said they would cut off his dick. That is according to translations
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1blsznn/ru_pov_one_of_the_terrorists_of_the_crocus/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1blsznn/ru_pov_one_of_the_terrorists_of_the_crocus/)

Quote
The military(and not only) has a "principle" about interrogation. It needs to happen fast and bring shock, to the already shocking situation of being captured. You need to feel threatened, as much, if not more, while you were running. If they arrest you and tell you to chill - you know nothing happens. That presents the highest chance of releasing "secret" information that you might otherwise be able to hide once you emotionally recover.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 02:35:48 PM
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9486
This is important to understand:

The secret services found the terrorists either while they were still in Moscow or in the Moscow region, and tracked the car to figure out where they were going and whether they would meet with anyone.

At the same time, their phones were being listened to, which led to seven more detainees in this case.

Then, in the wee hours of morning, when the terrorists were already tired and the information had largely been gathered, the arrest took place so as not to “spoil their skin and take them alive for interrogation.”
...
The Investigative Committee cannot identify the special forces soldier who cut off the ear of the captured terrorist, because they were all wearing balaclavas and everyone says that it was him...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 03:05:14 PM

I wish I could find a modern Ukraine textbook with English translation. IMO they have been pumping poison into people for a few decades now, judging from what the Ukr people say on video. Some Russian UN guy read from a modern Ukr text book Most Europeans are descended from the ancient Ukr race, also Jews.

Some Russian young man, a civilian I believe, was eaten by a shark in the Red Sea in front of his father as he screamed to him for help. They play the video in Kiev bars and cheer. Something off there.

https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9901
Despite the desperate attempts of John Kirby, to convince the world, the US CIA state department has had nothing to do with the attacks terrorist attacks on Russia. It essentially has everything to do with the United States, because only the United States has brainwashed the Ukrainians with such anti-Russian hatred and blood lust ….only the United States, has changed, the education materials in Ukraine over the past 20-30 years, and filled them with myths and fables and perversions of history to the point where the Ukrainians have become schizophrenic zealots .

so even if there’s no direct ties to the United States, coordinating this attack, there are still direct ties to the United States Planting in the minds of these terrorists the hatred for Russia, which caused these attacks,
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 03:12:45 PM
Maybe they will subtitle this.
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9911
🗣 Footage of the interrogation of one of the suspects who participated in the terrorist attack

-For 500k rubles (around $5k) they agreed to kill innocent civilians.

https://t.me/heilukraine1959/8537
https://t.me/heilukraine1959/8541

https://t.me/myLordBebo/26167
Footage from the hotel room where the attackers lived

The owner of the hotel where the terrorists who carried out the attack in Crocus lived described her guests to law enforcement officers.

“Guests from Tajikistan checked in at the beginning of March, behaved well, did not create rows, and always greeted us and smiled.

All communication with the hotel administration went through one person, a 19-year-old hairdresser from Ivanovo, Muhammadsobir Fayzov - he spoke Russian better than anyone else.

When checking in, the terrorists presented Tajik passports.”
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 03:46:47 PM

This is creepy.
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9478 (https://t.me/putingers_cat/9478)
First minutes of the Crocus City Hall attack in Moscow.

Confused showgoers don't understand what is happening as they start hearing gunshots.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1blpewt/ru_pov_fully_translated_video_of_the_purported/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1blpewt/ru_pov_fully_translated_video_of_the_purported/)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 04:00:49 PM
Eng sub
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/35963
??🇷🇺BLOODIED WITH BANDAGE WRAPPED AROUND HEAD, LAST OF TERRORISTS (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35537) INTERROGATED in vid above as 30-year-old criminal scum, unable to speak in Russian properly, reveals how he and his sick "friends" got rid of their weapons before they were detained (01:20).

With over 140 KILLED (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35537) in yesterday’s cold-blooded Crocus massacre (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35493), authorities say number of dead may rise as they keep finding body parts of people who died in blaze (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35490) following terror attack.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 04:05:10 PM
Some unarmed Russian guy grabbed a terrorist and pounded him senseless.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/35966
🇷🇺🫡 BRAVE RUSSIAN MAN WHO KNOCKED DOWN TERRORIST AND SAVED 100s SHARES HIS STORY: hear in vid above heroic tale of Russian man who couldn't stand "wild horror" in his wife's eyes (00:26) as terrorists butchered defenseless civilians at Crocus concert hall (https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35493) and "realized he had to do something."

Just before that he cold-bloodedly shot people. I looked at my wife and saw in her eyes wild horror and I realized that I had to do something. I pushed my wife and ran around him (terrorist) on the left, grabbed the gun with my left hand and pulled it down and with right hand began to hit him in the head - man describing how his fight went down.


https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/717
A seller of Russian books is detained in Kiev and forced a confession where he promised not to do it again.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 05:27:52 PM

Kinda brutal
https://t.me/putingers_cat/9490
Apprehension of one of the non-humans in the previous video.

He squeals like a pig that he is.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 07:03:50 PM


This a print version of what Larry Johnson said earlier
https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9926
The terrorist attack in Moscow was the work of Ukraine and the "terrified" US knew it, a former CIA officer has said.
 
Just a day ago, open source intelligence source OSINTdefender reported that Washington was "increasingly frustrated by Ukraine's unauthorised, blatant actions" against Russia. "This means that the US knew Ukraine was up to something, had an idea of what it was going to do. And there's a good chance that Ukraine not only did it, but did it with weapons and support provided by the United States," former CIA analyst Larry Johnson told Judging Freedom.
 
This version is also supported by the State Department's hasty words that Kiev had nothing to do with the attack, a statement made before Moscow itself had any accurate information about what had happened. "They know Ukraine did it," the former intelligence official said confidently. That's why the US was so quick to declare no involvement in the attack, and why it expressed concern about Ukraine's "egregious" actions the day before. "That's why the White House was so scared to death," Johnson explains.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 07:15:25 PM

I wonder if Ukr gave him a fake ID?

https://t.me/ForeignAgentIntel/9922
???? Information is being spread in the media that one of the terrorists under the name Rustam Azhiev is actually Abdulkhakim Shishani - an Ichkerian separatist who is a citizen of Ukraine and fought in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2022 .

The appearance is very similar, as is the general outline of the terrorist attack.

Last photo: He is in 2022 against the backdrop of a terrorist emblem somewhere in Ukraine.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 23, 2024, 07:28:57 PM

These Baltics are like rabid chihuahuas.
(https://media.tenor.com/t49gpAtOkTIAAAAM/i-love-luminas.gif)
https://t.me/European_dissident/50275
Latvian police prohibit Riga residents from bringing flowers to the Russian Embassy. A spontaneous memorial was organized opposite, the diplomatic mission reported.

Latvian authorities have not yet condemned the terrorist attack in the Moscow region, suggesting that Riga is aware of who organized it and approves of it, the Russian Embassy claimed.

https://t.me/putingers_cat_chat/236857
🔴While flowers are being carried to the embassy around the world, at the same time, Riga police banned people from carrying flowers to the Russian embassy in memory of the victims.

The police immediately removed the flowers that people had already brought.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on March 23, 2024, 10:40:17 PM



Remember that the US funded the Chechen terrorists inside Russia year back. Beslan school opening day and Moscow explosions.

A video link of the recent shootings.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/26039

Well, no,  actually I don't remember that.  But if you need it to be true to bolster your persistent "Russia-Putin(my hero)/good::USA/bad" narrative,  then carry on.

Word to the wise:    There are no good players on the world stage anymore,  with very few exceptions.  No matter who Putin says is responsible for this atrocity,  he will be about as believable as Biden,  i.e.,  not at all.    Both are bigger liars than Ananias. 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2024, 11:16:31 AM



Remember that the US funded the Chechen terrorists inside Russia year back. Beslan school opening day and Moscow explosions.

A video link of the recent shootings.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/26039

Well, no,  actually I don't remember that.  But if you need it to be true to bolster your persistent "Russia-Putin(my hero)/good::USA/bad" narrative,  then carry on.

Word to the wise:    There are no good players on the world stage anymore,  with very few exceptions.  No matter who Putin says is responsible for this atrocity,  he will be about as believable as Biden,  i.e.,  not at all.    Both are bigger liars than Ananias.

I did not say it was good or bad. US doctrine has been to take a country down a notch by exploiting ethnic or religious differences in that country or on its borders. See Wolfowitz or  Brzezinski. It was not exactly secret.  I recall the Chechens were supported by US and Saudis. Regime change can be done in different ways. Maybe US, UAE, and Turkey pumped money, foreign fighters, and arms into Syria through Turkey to do regime change in Syria. I think you said this was to weaken Syria who opposed Israel a US ally.

IMO US is trying to destabilize Thailand and Malaysia to weaken China's influence.. China does a lot of trade and has influence in SE Asia. I recall China built a HS RR through Laos. The US tried to stop it but failed.

I recall Victoria Nuland said US had pumped $5B into Ukraine long ago, maybe 2015? Good? Bad?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2024, 11:20:49 AM
According to Seymour Hersh ...

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/92424
Negotiations on Ukraine could have begun several months ago, but the US authorities threatened Zelensky with deprivation of funding, - American journalist Seymour Hersh

Russia's armed forces are more entrenched in Ukraine than ever, and the outnumbered and underequipped Ukrainian military faces, at best, a stalemate and the permanent loss of four regions.

“We were on the verge of starting reasonable negotiations several months ago, before the re-election of Vladimir Putin and Zelensky’s military degradation. However, the US leadership presented Zelensky with an ultimatum: no negotiations or settlement, otherwise we will not support your government with the $45 billion in non-military funds that Ukraine receives annually ", said the journalist's source.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2024, 02:16:32 PM
According to Seymour Hersh ...

https://t.me/Slavyangrad/92424
Negotiations on Ukraine could have begun several months ago, but the US authorities threatened Zelensky with deprivation of funding, - American journalist Seymour Hersh

Russia's armed forces are more entrenched in Ukraine than ever, and the outnumbered and underequipped Ukrainian military faces, at best, a stalemate and the permanent loss of four regions.

“We were on the verge of starting reasonable negotiations several months ago, before the re-election of Vladimir Putin and Zelensky’s military degradation. However, the US leadership presented Zelensky with an ultimatum: no negotiations or settlement, otherwise we will not support your government with the $45 billion in non-military funds that Ukraine receives annually ", said the journalist's source.

Just a recent example that popped up. The US operates inside other countries using NGOs with nice names like National Endowment for Democracy. Good or bad it is how the US operates. The NED is a cutout for the CIA. You can look at their board of directors etc. They are active in SE Asia where allowed to weaken China's influence. Leaders of so called "Democracy" movements are trained in the west and appear on western official websites.


Here some country notes a US letter objecting to some management of NGOs inside their country.
https://t.me/SputnikInt_unc2/23870

President of Kyrgyzstan Sadyr Zhaparov urged Washington not to interfere in the internal affairs of the republic.

Quote
"I regret to note that the contents of your letter have signs of interference in the internal affairs of our state," reads the message distributed by Zhaparov's press service to Blinken.

Earlier, the US Secretary of State sent a letter to the President of Kyrgyzstan expressing concern about the draft law "On Non-Profit Organizations" being considered by the parliament of the republic.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 24, 2024, 07:09:17 PM
There is a photo, maybe real, of such a device near one of the recent terrorism suspects with his pants down.
Lots of twisted posts before and after this one
https://t.me/beboandfriends/208635
.
https://t.me/myLordBebo/26263

https://t.me/beboandfriends/208887

Quote
(to the photo with the interrogation of a terrorist and a strange device)

From the memoirs of a contract soldier about the punishments used during the Chechen War:

The main technical tool, which has become widespread due to its accessibility, cheapness and ease of use, is the TA-57 field telephone or "tapik" in the vernacular. For the uninitiated, I will explain that this phone has a rotating handle with which an electric pulse is generated. At a relatively low voltage, it generates a high current. The wires of this phone are attached to the body and "twisted on a tap." The power is enough to cause great suffering to the victim. Being an indispensable tool for interrogation, "tapik" was sometimes used as punishment.
 The wires are attached to the toes, hands, genitals, ears or temples. They spin as much as they see fit. The most painful thing is not the genitals, as many people think, but the ears or temples, in this case the current hits the head and the pain is hellish. The victim may be doused with water. Hang it on the rack. Tapika can be either one or two.



🇷🇺🚨?? They use an old Soviet field phone with a dynamo for the questioning.

Model TA-57
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2024, 08:23:45 AM
Beria was very creative, no doubt a lot of things haven't changed from those days...

And Syzygy is right...Putin is going to make the most of this, anybody thinking differently is foolish...he will link this to Ukraine and the US no matter how flimsy the connection...and if there is dark complicity behind it it may well prove to be brilliant at a strategic level, and while not condoning it it is something to consider should Putin take the bait and act rashly...and those same mentally-stunted Code Pink wailers bemoaning the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib as barbaric would blanch and pass out over Tapika treatment and the rest...and as is often the case, severe torture often yields unreliable confessions given the main motivation is to stop the pain...

ISIS-K seems to have been adequately established and have taken credit...but, the perps fled toward the Ukraine border, which proves nothing...but bait laid...the ball is in Putin's court...

And how interesting Telegram plays a role in this...there's some red meat for those clamoring for more censorship and kill switches...

None of this noise helps anybody...it merely is just more trajectory towards a global nightmare which it appears all lust for...

https://discern.tv/what-just-happened-in-russia-is-going-to-have-enormous-implications-for-all-of-us/ (https://discern.tv/what-just-happened-in-russia-is-going-to-have-enormous-implications-for-all-of-us/)

War Fever...the contagion is everywhere.

This assclown has the fever in spades...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-its-war-real-meat-grinder-starts-now (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-its-war-real-meat-grinder-starts-now)

...the asswipe is even trying to blame Trump!  What a miserable c*******er.  But hey, war...get on board, bitches!

As for this...

(https://assets.zerohedge.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_mobile/public/inline-images/terrorsuspects.jpg)

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nato-issue-rare-solidarity-messages-after-moscow-attack-death-toll-rises-137 (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-nato-issue-rare-solidarity-messages-after-moscow-attack-death-toll-rises-137)

I like trying the unconscious guy...gives me hope here...not much, but a little...

The only good?  Maybe Russia rethinks their illegals and individual gun rights...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-03-23/russian-take-moscow-terrorist-attack (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-03-23/russian-take-moscow-terrorist-attack)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 25, 2024, 01:30:42 PM

Where Syzygy and I differ is that I say that the uS did XYZ. Syzygy then says I said the US did something bad.That is his conclusion and maybe mine.  IMO the US does lots of stuff around the world that does not benefit me or the US people.

The US sent lots or arms and money to crazies in Syria via Turkey. This was called a conspiracy theory. Then it was said to be to 'moderate rebels.' Then the 'Syrian Free Army.' The AQ was said to be "on our side now." The directly  or indirectly armed AQ and ISIS. John Kerry was caught on tape noting with approval that ISIS was closing in on Damascus as that would put pressure on Assad.

I do not much like ISIS. Very recently some former US military or CIA said that the Syrian Free Army or Free Syrian Army was the  invention of some US general who thought the crazies needed a new name for PR reasons.

Given US history it is not beyond reason for Putin and Russians to believe the US and or Ukr acted through ISIS. IMO US armed the Chechen militants. NATO armed lots of foreign crazies to fight in Libya. What good came of that? The French got to keep their regional reserve currency the CAF in Africa for a while.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 25, 2024, 01:39:49 PM
Perhaps the Serenity Prayer will help...

God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can,
and the wisdom to know the difference.

What do you think you can change?  What do you think you cannot change?

Also, for me the wisdom of The Founders is timeless...

Facts are stubborn things - John Adams

I would want to see facts before casting blame anywhere, ISIS-K takes credit and offers some compelling support.  If ISIS-K is among the invaders loose in our country and they commit terror here, what would that mean to you regarding US influence with them in Russia?  I believe they hate both of us.  This act of terror in Russia does not have to automatically mean US support for it, nor does it mean past sins should be forgotten...linking everything IMO is what state operators engineer to happen, here there anywhere.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 25, 2024, 01:56:44 PM


I read The Management of Savagery book. It goes into how the US and West uses the proxies to fight the latest battles and do regime change. The ability to manage the crazies is questionable. IMO they are often just broke losers who needed the money not ideological crazies. Those captured in Syria all believed that they are entitled under the Koran to take war brides. For most it was their only chance to take a wife.

Those not killed in Syria were give safe passage out by Israel and Turkey and they were sent to fight in the Azeri-Armenia battles. Rinse, repeat until they are all disposed off.


I watched the four wretches questioned by the Russians recently. They seemed the same. Broke losers who needed the money.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on March 25, 2024, 03:22:20 PM

Where Syzygy and I differ is that I say that the uS did XYZ. Syzygy then says I said the US did something bad.That is his conclusion and maybe mine.  IMO the US does lots of stuff around the world that does not benefit me or the US people.

...
The US has done much harm around the world,  no doubt,  and I'll be the first to admit it,  but not when it's sourced from the hardly credible sites you reference. Like any crime,  unless it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, color me highly skeptical.  Speculation from disreputable sources don't cut it.  You take any and all such speculation as gospel truth,  as long as it is critical of the US.  I don't.
Regardless,  I'm still a "my country right or wrong" kinda guy.    As Merle Haggard sang,  "When you're running down my country,  man,  you're walking on the fighting side of me."
And the funny thing is,   I've NEVER seen a post of yours that is disparaging of Putin,  and there's a wealth of material with that one.  Just sayin'.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 25, 2024, 04:05:50 PM

Where Syzygy and I differ is that I say that the uS did XYZ. Syzygy then says I said the US did something bad.That is his conclusion and maybe mine.  IMO the US does lots of stuff around the world that does not benefit me or the US people.

...
The US has done much harm around the world,  no doubt,  and I'll be the first to admit it,  but not when it's sourced from the hardly credible sites you reference. Like any crime,  unless it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, color me highly skeptical.  Speculation from disreputable sources don't cut it.  You take any and all such speculation as gospel truth,  as long as it is critical of the US.  I don't.
Regardless,  I'm still a "my country right or wrong" kinda guy.    As Merle Haggard sang,  "When you're running down my country,  man,  you're walking on the fighting side of me."
And the funny thing is,   I've NEVER seen a post of yours that is disparaging of Putin,  and there's a wealth of material with that one.  Just sayin'.

Putin is supposed to do what is best for Russia, not the US. I would like a US Putin for a change. Pres Xi is supposed to make China better.. If China steals US tech that is our problem for letting them. How does turning Libya and Syria into sh*tholes help US people? It floods EU with refugees

In theory the people of the USSR owned everything. In short order some oligarchs owned most. If they fell out of windows I could care less.

My best sources are western and watching western actions. Wolfowitz. Brzezinski. Some US Gen said 7 regime changes in 5 years were planned. US Gen Ben Hodges said Ukr should kill or drive off every Russian in Crimea. They have been there hundreds of year. Yes I know about the Tatars. Kiev published laws to deport every person in Crimea who held Russian citizenship.  Prison or labor gangs are in place for govt employees in Crimea and the new Russian regions according to published laws.

US and EU military sources say the war goal is  to punish Russia or to keep Putin from winning. No mention of what happens to people in EU or Ukraine.

I do not need Russian propaganda when the western parties have such big mouths and telegraph their intentions.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 25, 2024, 05:45:16 PM


Some people should just STFU. People are trying to write what they really meant or meant to say.

Originally from WAPO
“There should be no Russian who goes to sleep without wondering if they’re going to get their throat slit in the middle of the night,” Milley said, according to an official with knowledge of the event. “You gotta get back there, and create a campaign behind the lines.”
Gen. Mark A. Milley, then chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/04/ukraine-counteroffensive-us-planning-russia-war/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/12/04/ukraine-counteroffensive-us-planning-russia-war/)

Then Victoria Nuland recently said that Russia has some "nasty surprises coming"


Another bone head move was US govt immediately saying they knew who did Moscow instead of saying they do not know and waiting a while.  If they knew immediately after that means they likely knew before, if not in on it. Morons.

 
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2024, 08:26:46 AM
Well that link hit a pay wall, but no matter since WaPo is the DeepState propagandist for the IC...it is they who are at war with Putin not We the People...

Back to my prayer and Adams quote...

Assuming idiot Miley spoke those words, it is not evidence that the DeepState organized, funded, and supported in any way these ISIS-K miscreants...and knowing these DeepState arm-chair gutless wonders like I do they often out talk their coverage (aka-talk out their ass) ...I am a natural born skeptic, I suspect Syzygy may be as well, so if there is a link, I want facts, not words, words IMO are subordinate to actions..."actions speak louder than words", words can indicate intent or bullsh*t...actions are definitive.

On words and actions I will give Putin, though I do not trust him or hold him as the embodiment of Christian virtue (being a womanizer and chummy with nefarious regimes around the globe) he is consistent with his words and actions...though at times he can be too cute with his cleverness (his acquiescence with taking Western bait, his Russo-centric version of Slavic history) but in general he is consistent.  Right now he is poised to take more bait as everyone in his regime is convinced the US and Ukraine are behind these ISIS-K miscreants, fine, prove it with facts, till then it is just hot air...
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2024, 08:30:24 AM
In other news...

The un-Holy Macron worried of an attack in France...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-raises-security-risk-highest-level-headed-olympics-italy-follows (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/france-raises-security-risk-highest-level-headed-olympics-italy-follows)

...well, look around you, dipsh*t...probably be the same people already raping and murdering citizens and burning your cathedrals to the ground...

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 12:24:24 PM

Imagine if some Russian diplomat (not politician) said what Nuland said or what Miley is reported to have said. Then something nasty happened.  My point was that they should keep their mouths shut. I have been ranting about the lack of competent US diplomats for a while now. Alex of Duran is a diplomats son so he is amazed at the lack of diplomacy compared to many decades ago.

Then the US statement that we knew who did it 55 minutes after it started IMO better to keep quiet and think things through.
IMO Ukraine is more than capable of recruiting losers using Telegram messenger. I heard that a couple of Moscow terrorist were recruited in Turkey? There are some ISIS fighters fighting for Ukraine I heard. Photos of them wearing ISIS patches.

I heard part of this episode..Sachs rants that the US had not done diplomacy for a long time. Was Reagan the last? During the Cuban missile crisis there was constant communication. JFK did not call Khrushchev a thug. Now it is like the movie Mean Girls. Suzy won't talk to Peggy because Peggy is friends with Mary.

https://youtu.be/UTwsHqhomSE
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: The Urgency of Diplomacy

Judge NAP has some good guests on. 3 or 4 former ambassadors. Chas. Freeman and Alastair Crooke are good.
https://youtu.be/r6GjbrGgMhE
Amb, Craig Murray: Does the EU Want War? - BREAKING: Assange Ruling Analysis


I did not follow the news. Why is Macron concerned? Is it related to Gaza?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 26, 2024, 12:51:34 PM

Imagine if some Russian diplomat (not politician) said what Nuland said or what Miley is reported to have said. Then something nasty happened.  My point was that they should keep their mouths shut. I have been ranting about the lack of competent US diplomats for a while now. Alex of Duran is a diplomats son so he is amazed at the lack of diplomacy compared to many decades ago.

Then the US statement that we knew who did it 55 minutes after it started IMO better to keep quiet and think things through.
IMO Ukraine is more than capable of recruiting losers using Telegram messenger. I heard that a couple of Moscow terrorist were recruited in Turkey? There are some ISIS fighters fighting for Ukraine I heard. Photos of them wearing ISIS patches.

I heard part of this episode..Sachs rants that the US had not done diplomacy for a long time. Was Reagan the last? During the Cuban missile crisis there was constant communication. JFK did not call Khrushchev a thug. Now it is like the movie Mean Girls. Suzy won't talk to Peggy because Peggy is friends with Mary.

https://youtu.be/UTwsHqhomSE (https://youtu.be/UTwsHqhomSE)
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: The Urgency of Diplomacy

Judge NAP has some good guests on. 3 or 4 former ambassadors. Chas. Freeman and Alastair Crooke are good.
https://youtu.be/r6GjbrGgMhE (https://youtu.be/r6GjbrGgMhE)
Amb, Craig Murray: Does the EU Want War? - BREAKING: Assange Ruling Analysis


I did not follow the news. Why is Macron concerned? Is it related to Gaza?

Well, Medvedev, Peskov & Patrushev have all said strong things about the West and using nukes, but that's OK I guess...just Russians being Russians...

Oh, and we're ALL nazis...every last one...nice, and I own no swastika or elite privileges... Totally screwed!

And on actions...regardless what you think of the rest of this screed...there is no denying they hacked a dudes ear off and made him eat it or that they hooked up a tapik on another dudes genitals...(is that the unconscious dude in court?)...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/why_the_russians_cut_off_a_moscow_bombing_suspect_s_ear_and_made_him_eat_it.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/why_the_russians_cut_off_a_moscow_bombing_suspect_s_ear_and_made_him_eat_it.html)

But, just Russians being Russians...

https://youtu.be/yqlM_ZEd-ps (https://youtu.be/yqlM_ZEd-ps)
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 01:37:55 PM

Imagine if some Russian diplomat (not politician) said what Nuland said or what Miley is reported to have said. Then something nasty happened.  My point was that they should keep their mouths shut. I have been ranting about the lack of competent US diplomats for a while now. Alex of Duran is a diplomats son so he is amazed at the lack of diplomacy compared to many decades ago.

Then the US statement that we knew who did it 55 minutes after it started IMO better to keep quiet and think things through.
IMO Ukraine is more than capable of recruiting losers using Telegram messenger. I heard that a couple of Moscow terrorist were recruited in Turkey? There are some ISIS fighters fighting for Ukraine I heard. Photos of them wearing ISIS patches.

I heard part of this episode..Sachs rants that the US had not done diplomacy for a long time. Was Reagan the last? During the Cuban missile crisis there was constant communication. JFK did not call Khrushchev a thug. Now it is like the movie Mean Girls. Suzy won't talk to Peggy because Peggy is friends with Mary.

https://youtu.be/UTwsHqhomSE (https://youtu.be/UTwsHqhomSE)
Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: The Urgency of Diplomacy

Judge NAP has some good guests on. 3 or 4 former ambassadors. Chas. Freeman and Alastair Crooke are good.
https://youtu.be/r6GjbrGgMhE (https://youtu.be/r6GjbrGgMhE)
Amb, Craig Murray: Does the EU Want War? - BREAKING: Assange Ruling Analysis


I did not follow the news. Why is Macron concerned? Is it related to Gaza?

Well, Medvedev, Peskov & Patrushev have all said strong things about the West and using nukes, but that's OK I guess...just Russians being Russians...

Oh, and we're ALL nazis...every last one...nice, and I own no swastika or elite privileges... Totally screwed!

And on actions...regardless what you think of the rest of this screed...there is no denying they hacked a dudes ear off and made him eat it or that they hooked up a tapik on another dudes genitals...(is that the unconscious dude in court?)...

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/why_the_russians_cut_off_a_moscow_bombing_suspect_s_ear_and_made_him_eat_it.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2024/03/why_the_russians_cut_off_a_moscow_bombing_suspect_s_ear_and_made_him_eat_it.html)

But, just Russians being Russians...

https://youtu.be/yqlM_ZEd-ps (https://youtu.be/yqlM_ZEd-ps)

Is Macron concerned about Russians attacking France or internal immigrants? At the current rate of advancement Russians are years away, assuming they want to take of France.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 01:40:49 PM
I know Turkey was funneling Jihadis/mercs into Syria and Armenia.

https://t.me/IntelRepublic/35659

🇬🇧🇹🇷🐍 IS ERDOGAN THE SNAKE? - Ex-MI6 intelligence officer Alastair Crooke reveals Turkish link to the Crocus City Hall terrorists.

ISIS-K (Islamic State - Khorosan Province) is a cover story, because ISIS-K is not real. It was a parallel with ISIS, created by Western services (Mi6). As Saudi Arabia stopped supporting mainstream ISIS because of the bad publicity that came from the actions of the jihadists. And so they had to come up with something...

Essentially, this is a corridor that goes from Turkey through northern Syria to Iran. And it was mainly aimed at infiltrating sabotage groups into Iran and some jihadists into Syria. Just to be clear, Turkey has a training base and has trained jihadists - some of them went to Ukraine, particularly the Tatars from Crimea, but there are others.

This is part, if you may, of the process that Erdogan is overseeing for a kind of pan-Turkic group to emerge in south Central Asia. It's just a funnel. It is also a source of mercenaries. And these 4 people who participated in Operation Crocus were clearly mercenaries. They were not jihadists - Crooke reveals.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on March 26, 2024, 01:49:49 PM
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Putin is supposed to do what is best for Russia,...


And that would include protecting its citizens,  right?.   So,  riddle me this,  Patman:  The U.S. warned Russia of just such an attack and we later find out that Russian intel picked up on it too.   So why didn't Putin provide security at a large gathering, right in the middle of Moscow no less? 
It takes quite a bit of time to massacre over 120 people and the terrorists had plenty of time to do it without any intervention by armed security.   And most--7 out of 11--were even able to get away.   Putin says they were escaping in the direction of Ukraine--how convenient. 
Putin has fairly well acknowledged it was ISIS-K but what he wants to know is "who put 'em up to it," leaving open the possibility that it could be Ukraine and Ukraine's supporters (US and Europe)--another convenient (for Putin) possibility.
Here is some speculation for you from me:  Putin,  having prior knowledge of the possibility of just such an attack,  took no security precautions because he wanted it to happen so he would have an excuse to go Sherman-esque slash and burn on Ukraine. 
Mark my words,  he will use it to go "nuclear" on Ukraine whether or not they were involved. 

 "I would like a US Putin for a change"


The swamp is full of 'em...take your pick.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 01:54:56 PM

Brian is a CPC simp but is good at finding and publicizing US DOD documents.
He says that each F-16 requires 8-14 support people and the training can take years.
He used to repair stuff for US Marines in Japan. Maybe opto electronics?
https://youtu.be/6Ay43E94W58?t=777
Ukraine’s F-16s: Too Little, Too Late
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 01:59:07 PM
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Putin is supposed to do what is best for Russia,...


And that would include protecting its citizens,  right?.   So,  riddle me this,  Patman:  The U.S. warned Russia of just such an attack and we later find out that Russian intel picked up on it too.   So why didn't Putin provide security at a large gathering, right in the middle of Moscow no less? 
It takes quite a bit of time to massacre over 120 people and the terrorists had plenty of time to do it without any intervention by armed security.   And most--7 out of 11--were even able to get away.   Putin says they were escaping in the direction of Ukraine--how convenient. 
Putin has fairly well acknowledged it was ISIS-K but what he wants to know is "who put 'em up to it," leaving open the possibility that it could be Ukraine and Ukraine's supporters (US and Europe)--another convenient (for Putin) possibility.
Here is some speculation for you from me:  Putin,  having prior knowledge of the possibility of just such an attack,  took no security precautions because he wanted it to happen so he would have an excuse to go Sherman-esque slash and burn on Ukraine. 
Mark my words,  he will use it to go "nuclear" on Ukraine whether or not they were involved. 

 "I would like a US Putin for a change"


The swamp is full of 'em...take your pick.

I heard that US warned Ukr through some low level unofficial channel rather than official channel.
If true maybe US was hoping the attack worked but they could later point to the unofficial communication.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 02:18:58 PM
Apparently there is fear in Paris of terrorist attacks. Not sure by whom?
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/92750
The reason was the decision of the French Defense Council to increase the level of terrorist threat in the country to the highest one.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 02:55:52 PM
Alex and the WH spokesperson on the RU communication from US. She refuses to go into the details.
https://youtu.be/utYGuRY4yCQ?t=637

Also, Kirby said US had no advance warning of this attack.

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Syzygy on March 26, 2024, 03:07:30 PM
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I heard that US warned Ukr through some low level unofficial channel rather than official channel.
If true maybe US was hoping the attack worked but they could later point to the unofficial communication.

We are stupidly in a proxy war with Russia so I wouldn't think the communications between us would be of a primary nature.  Secondary or even tertiary,  maybe.  That sounds highly probable,  but still,  Russia had the intelligence from their own intelligence community and had sufficient time to act accordingly.

Speaking of which,  I just read where Russia's head of intelligence just "confirmed" that the terrorist were sponsored by Ukraine,  the U.S.,  and the U.K.   I don't know the validity of it since I've only seen it in one place and that on a questionable site as to their credibility.   If not true, it,  or some variation thereof,  may be coming shortly.

When it does,  Ukraine better practice their best BOHICA position. 

Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 04:06:17 PM


i watched the Alex video linked above. In it the WH black les spokesperson evaded the questions as Alex said and Kirby said the US did not have info about the attack later in the video. .

I think that the attack was planned for earlier when the US gave the warning but security was too tight at that concert.

People are asking why the 3 fled in the direction of Ukraine on the so called Ukraine highway and not to central asia or hide in place in Moscow. Alexander says that fact is not reported in the UK. The Russia-Ukr border is heavily defended.

I heard that RU has not previously hit so called decision making centers in Ukr. Very recently they hit the SBU building in Kiev with Zircon missiles allegedly on SBU day. Recently some SBU official said that they had carried  out attacks on civilians like mayors and Daria Dugan. That according to Alexander.

Also, I recall that the Daria Dugan bomber was provided with excellent and fast exfiltration. These guys were not.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 05:17:58 PM


I shouldn't laugh. The box is a field telephone with a hand crank.
https://t.me/southfronteng/42547
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 26, 2024, 08:02:34 PM

They do not usually confirm stuff like this. I thought it was even a crime.
https://t.me/EurasianChoice/36010
🇷🇺💥🇺🇦 The target of the Russian missile strike on Kiev today was the top leadership of the Security Service of Ukraine. - Kyiv Post
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2024, 08:36:31 AM
As usual, lapdogs like Escobar who cannot possibly guzzle enough Putin gravy to satiate their psychotic lust (but who refuses to live in Russia, opting instead for European and Asian locales) and is (naturally) the darling of RT, Sputnik, Al Jazeera and the like...is quick to make links because he sees no point in waiting for Putin to provide it to him verbatim...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-nulandbudanovtajikcrocus-connection (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-nulandbudanovtajikcrocus-connection)

I am not going to post any of this dreck, this c*******er is perhaps more motivated to see all of America fall than FJB and the demonazis & Cucks...

Like his man-crush Putin he sees no difference between the American people and the DeepState and its puppets, ignores any deficiencies and mistakes of his Lord and Master and can only get his jollies by regurgitating his bile, licking it up and spewing it back out over and over and over again...

I am well past the point of giving a rats ass about any and all attached to any government on this planet...with a very limited few decent politicians trying to combat corruption practically 100% of them deserve the global horror coming for all of us...they just deserve it oh so much more.

You, me...there isn't a soul on this planet that can change a single one of them from deviating from their common path, anybody saying otherwise is in an unrecoverable state of utter denial.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2024, 11:57:01 AM
https://www.infowars.com/posts/kremlin-reveals-conditions-for-talks-with-us/ (https://www.infowars.com/posts/kremlin-reveals-conditions-for-talks-with-us/)

Peskov is a moron, Medvedev is a moron, Patrushev is a moron...and Putin is the brilliant geopolitical strategist fan-boys think he is...

If you wanted comprehensive discussions you blew it, you could have had it with Trump but didn't bother...you say you want it now with a puppet controlled entirely by the DeepState (that is your true enemy) and who is severely corrupted and compromised by your pal Xi and Z-man in Ukraine (aka "the Nazi")...

Idiots!!!

Have a comprehensive talk with your own asses!
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: Libertas on March 27, 2024, 04:37:22 PM
Jeez...lack of evidence I guess...

Russian foreign ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova on Wednesday gave an interview to Russian state-run English language media wherein she continued to advance the Kremlin's claims that the Ukrainian government or its Western partners likely had something to do with the the Crocus City Hall terror attack.

She described that it was strange that a Western media narrative coalesced around ISIS being behind the attack even as the mall and concert hall was still on fire and emergency crews were still responding. She said the US government has backed itself "into a corner" given that officials made bold statements too quickly in the aftermath.

"The very fact that within the first 24 hours [after the attack], even before the fire was put out, the Americans started screaming that it wasn't Ukraine, I think, is a piece of incriminating evidence. I can't classify it otherwise; it is evidence in and of itself," Zakharova told Sputnik.
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As for the culprits possibly receiving assistance from Ukraine or Western governments, there's as yet been no clear evidence presented that demonstrates a connection.

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-backed-itself-corner-blaming-isis-moscow-attack-just-hours-after-kremlin (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-backed-itself-corner-blaming-isis-moscow-attack-just-hours-after-kremlin)

Maria sounds and acts like a democrat...

 ::creepycryingbaby::

Maybe they should torture them some more?
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 27, 2024, 05:52:25 PM

I think her point was that US said we knew before we could have known, unless we knew before hand. I believe the initial warning was both public and official to the Russian govt. The Russian ambassador said he had no official warning the second time from US.

IMO US diplomats are clowns. Long before this. Insulting MBS, Putin, Xi and likely others for just a start.
US has a history of working with ISIS as I recall. Syria for sure.  Someone said that the terrorists raised heir pointed finger skyward.
BUT they used their left hand which is the evil filthy hand in Islam. IMO these were losers who needed the money.

IMO the US govt should STFU, Do an investigation or wait for a period long enough to do an investigation then say Ukr was not involved. They are idiots.

I also heard they had trained in someplace in Turkey. Turkey has a history of using Muslim mercs in places like Syria and Armenia.
Title: Re: The Battle over East vs West (Russia vs Europe) continues in Ukraine
Post by: patentlymn on March 27, 2024, 06:03:56 PM


https://t.me/putingers_cat/9516
In this episode of "Ukraine of the brain," we meet two Ukrainian females, Zlata and Veronika, who are looking for males on Tinder to "sit under a warm blanket together and watch videos from the Crocus City Hall" and "start a family and shell Belgorod together."