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Biennial NRA Outrage
« on: October 29, 2014, 07:04:35 AM »


Every election year it happens...every election year we bitch about it...every year we know it is coming...and every year the outrage is the same, it's just the names that change a little bit here and there as time stretches out...

I usually dispatch the e-mail pleadings, along with every other plea for funds from candidates, groups...and all the other junk en masse.  Then The Rifleman shows up, I don't read every square inch of that, I skip a lot of the Poohbah pablum and just pick out the gun/ammo/accessory thing that might catch my eye...

Couldn't miss the pre-election cover though, a scowing menacing Darth Obola and a smug Darth Bloomie polluting the whole face of the thing!

Couldn't miss the itemized list of gun-outrages that preface this years crop of NRA-endorsed talking monkies...and noting with irony and outrage how an exposition on the evils of the gun-grabbing goons all around can lead to the endorsement of DemonRats?!?!?!

Ahh yes, NRA outrage, you've come back again!  How nice. 

Lets review my particular incredulous insert, and then perhaps others can join in with their own, I figure since this is almost certain to continue for as long as the nation has left to it, so might as well chronical this while we can.

OK then, I assume everybody is familiar with the NRA ratings, simple letter grades A-F with a "Q" following noting the rating was based upon questionaire, as there is no previous voting record available (probably because they are from a municipal seat more typically from a rural area who had no 2A issues, occupied their previous office without encountering any 2A issues or were too short in tenure, or they came from the private sector), anybody with a "?" is in the latter group who refused to answer the questionaire (and IMO should be graded an "F" automatically).

Anyway, Minnesota outrage:

US House:

1st District - Endorsing Walz-D (A) over Hagedorn-R (AQ).  Don't know anything about Hagedorn, but surely his voting record should as good if not better in Congress on 2A issues and certainly has to be better on most every other issue.  Way to go, NRA!

4th District - No endorsement, Wahlgren-R (?) & McCollum-D (F).  Oh come on!  This is my old district, and corpse is better than Betty fricken McCollum!  Risk a "?" over and "F", WTF you got to lose?  Anyway, this is a hardcore libiot district the way it is gerrymandered so this is the least of my bitches.

7th District - Peterson-D (A) over Westrom-R (A).  WTF?  Both got A's and you take the DemonRat?  This is insane!  I don't care if Westrom was caught on film with a hooker, he has to be better than this tired old DemonRat fossil!

MN AG - No endorsement, Newman-R (A) & Swanson-D (A).  Seriously?  They know ANYTHING about Minnesota?  Swanson is a party whore through and through!  How'd she get an "A"?  Somebody blew somebody!!!

MN Auditor - No endorsement, Gilbert-R & Otto-D, no ratings.  Seriously, come on, Rebecca Otto?  Again, clueless about MN, not that an auditor has much contact with 2A issues, but on a financial periphery perhaps, why not endorse somebody?  I guess they figure we have time, that their Dem's in the "A" rating won't let it all slide into the gutter, than 2A rights (despite their preceeding screed) have never been stronger and are in no particular danger after all.  And if a frog had wings he would'nt bump his ass when he hops!

I didn't go through all the State Districts, mine looks to be safe and should be won by a sensible person, I'm sure there are outrages there too, but I'll leave that for others...this little effort spent my powder...I feel like all I did was, well...



All the NRA ever does is...



Anyway, thanks again NRA, for another biennial blunder!



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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2014, 07:40:11 AM »
The NRA's official story is that it believes that in order to maintain its credibility it must be bipartisan. But surely they're not stupid enough that they fail to see that the struggle over firearm rights is as strictly partisan as it gets. They must see that a Democrat majority populated by their endorsed, "A-rated" Democrats will strip gun rights in spite of the NRA ratings of individual Democrats.

So why? Either they foolishly believe that their endorsement will stay the hand of Democrats when push comes to shove, or they get some benefit from playing both sides of the fence that has nothing to do with protecting gun rights. I choose the latter.
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2014, 09:33:37 AM »
Yes, I think you are correct, they are not stupid.  It is much the same way the ACLU routinely takes sides against Freedom of Speech (among other inalienable rights) if it harms their enemies and by default strengthens/rewards their position, power, influence and prosperity.  It is cynical, malicious and evil...and in the end the monster who helped create will devour you, so it is extremely and selfishly self-centered and short-sighted.

Hence, fury!
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2014, 10:01:34 AM »
The NRA isn't the least bit interested in your rights any further than they can use them for negotiating fodder.
And their myopic view of candidates, focusing only on this one issue (which, admittedly, is their supposed reason for existing), is shortsighted when dealing with the likes of Reid. Frankly, of the many things I can't forgive of the NRA, helping him get reelected so many times is the worst transgression against our entire BoR.
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2014, 11:42:30 AM »
The NRA isn't the least bit interested in your rights any further than they can use them for negotiating fodder.
And their myopic view of candidates, focusing only on this one issue (which, admittedly, is their supposed reason for existing), is shortsighted when dealing with the likes of Reid. Frankly, of the many things I can't forgive of the NRA, helping him get reelected so many times is the worst transgression against our entire BoR.

Speaking of the evil sack of scat...

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/10/harry-reid-radio-ad-ties-gop-candidate-to-trayvon-martins-death/

Yeah, swell...do a double-whammy lie and have Duh Medeah cover his ass, the NRA will cover his ass, I WANT TO SEE HIS ASS BURIED!!!   ::pullhair::
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2014, 12:11:59 PM »
And see, here I was (with uncharacteristic optimism) thinking that maybe the NRA had finally seen the light.  They recently unveiled a new range of ads that cover other aspects of the culture war not directly related to guns, giving hope that they are aware of the nexus of rights and how individual liberty is intertwined with various types of rights.

In other words, I was hopeful that that was their way of saying "we realize endorsing Democrats who parrot the correct things about the 2nd Amendment has been stupid, when their every other position supports Leviathan."

Oh well.  I'm still a member of the NRA because, well, because.  I'm also a member of GOA, which is the real 2nd Amendment advocacy group.
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2014, 12:39:45 PM »
Yeah, I like GOA better too, I give the minimum to the NRA because that's what they give to me (or less)...GOA fights, and as far as I can determine hasn't compromised.

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2014, 04:30:26 PM »
I have issues with GOA and Gottlieb too.

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2014, 06:53:10 AM »
I have issues with GOA and Gottlieb too.

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Jeez, 'Soup...you get along with anybody?!   ;D

Hey, why do I hear an echo in my head?  Oh yeah, duh, I'm a natural skeptic "deeds trump words" guy too... 

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2014, 08:04:46 AM »
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Jeez, 'Soup...you get along with anybody?!   ;D

Increasingly.......no.  ::devil::

Specifically, Gottlieb favors mandatory background checks and isn't (necessarily) opposed to gun registration. He was an author of the infamous Toomey-Manchin Universal Gun Registry Bill and is peddling another wolf in sheep's-clothing gun registration bill here in Washington state (I-591).

Granted, I'm a 2nd amendment hard-liner so I naturally resist ANY change that results in a diminishing of my rights. I just wasn't expecting it to come from "my side of the fence".


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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 08:29:57 AM »
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Jeez, 'Soup...you get along with anybody?!   ;D

Increasingly.......no.  ::devil::

Specifically, Gottlieb favors mandatory background checks and isn't (necessarily) opposed to gun registration. He was an author of the infamous Toomey-Manchin Universal Gun Registry Bill and is peddling another wolf in sheep's-clothing gun registration bill here in Washington state (I-591).

Granted, I'm a 2nd amendment hard-liner so I naturally resist ANY change that results in a diminishing of my rights. I just wasn't expecting it to come from "my side of the fence".

I know the feeling.

I guess the mandatory thing doesn't suprise me...that "I'm a nice guy and have nothing to hide" stuff is swell, decades past, but people have to start realizing that just for the mere fact of who we are...there will come a time when hiding from the state is a necessary thing to do for basic survival...just ask the Jews who lived thorugh the Holocaust, among others.

And registeries are just a prelude to bans and confiscations, have always been and will always be!  Hell, No!!!   ::outrage::

Register this!   ::mooning::

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 09:15:16 AM »
I wasn't NRA when Heston advocated the automatic weapon ban and capitulated to the background check system that became NICS. If I had been I probably would have written to him and told him to shut the hell up just like I did when the NRA gave dingy harry money.

I think that single-issue advocacy is idiotic and ultimately self-defeating. Why would I invite someone who violently opposes me on every issue except that we both like (say for example) fly-fishing? That would be foolish and I would be negligent.

Here in Washington state a few years back I was outraged to find that the NRA had endorsed a dhimmi who was no friend of 2nd amendment rights (but who had recently voted favorably to a particular issue) over a pubbie who was a newcomer (with no legislative track record but a solid 2nd amendment supporter). I wrote and gave them hell - all to zero effect.

IMO one is being short-sighted and negligent in their due-diligence if they do not consider the larger context. Dingy harry will never support the NRA - not in a million years. So why support him?!

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2014, 10:13:20 AM »
"So why support him?!"

I don't want to.

But, isn't this just another example of what happens when they leave us

Use any they/us you desire...at the macro-level the big they is the GOP.  We are left with basically four options: 1) Leave and form a new association, 2) Stay and try to reform or 3) just leave entirely and hang them all or 4) join the dark side (pick one, it doesn't really matter which one).  Option one is noble and perhaps can comprise the ashes from whence the proverbial phoenix can rise again.  Option two is IMHO futile and ignorant of the probabilities against it  Option three may lack the greater nobility of the first but I could not in good conscience condemn one from choosing it (as long as they realize if they survive the interregnum...any attempt to subvert (ie-you and your ilk are closet statist's/prog's) the rebirth of freedom merely means you've postponed the hanging!  Also, there is nothing to say one couldn't successfully migrate form option one to option 3 and back again for the New Renaissance of Liberty, given the warning within option three.  Option four is death, and if you choose that, God have mercy on ye, for I shall be plumb out!

So, for 2A rights, where's that leave us?  Er, me?  I guess if I am still giving them dues I am option 2 - a dumbass!   ::facepalm::   ::gaah::
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 11:51:00 AM »
Does Gottlieb have anything to do with GOA though?  I thought GOA was strictly a Larry Pratt operation.  Gottlieb I know is involved with SAF and has now acquired JPFO (much to the chagrin of many).
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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2014, 12:07:03 PM »
You are right, Glock...

http://www.guns.com/2014/09/05/its-official-gun-rights-groups-saf-and-jpfo-announce-merger/

And 'Soup must be talking about this...

http://nagr.org/2014/Gottlieb-compromise-dn.aspx?pid=1b

...which is quite a contrast to the rosey 2A cheerishing headlines enblazoned across the SAF site...

http://www.saf.org/

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Re: Biennial NRA Outrage
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2014, 02:44:49 PM »
Does Gottlieb have anything to do with GOA though?  I thought GOA was strictly a Larry Pratt operation.  Gottlieb I know is involved with SAF and has now acquired JPFO (much to the chagrin of many).

Yep - you're right (and I'm mistaken). My bad.

Gottlieb founded CCRKBA and SAF. GOA was founded by H.L. Richardson of California.