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Title: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on August 31, 2018, 09:51:06 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-30/sick-man-europe-returns (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-30/sick-man-europe-returns)

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-30/which-emerging-markets-will-run-out-money-first-here-answer (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-08-30/which-emerging-markets-will-run-out-money-first-here-answer)

So sad too bad...all out of eff's to give.

Turkey blew it by letting the megalomaniac Erdogan remain in power and continue to be a PITA to the US, an unreliable ally in an obsolete NATO compact and by talking and acting like any other Middle Eastern Islamic dictator.

Eff 'em!  They were never European, no matter how much lipstick you put on that pig, no matter how many candy sprinkles you pile on that turd...it still a pig, still a turd.  The "Sick Man of Europe" is Europe's problem.

The earth can open up and swallow that crap whole for all I care.  They (Turkey and Europe) made their choices, they can choke together.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on July 17, 2019, 12:25:57 PM
I think and hope all that chatter is diplomatic bovine excretion...

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/07/17/no-deal-trump-cancels-sale-of-u-s-f-35-fighter-jets-to-turkey/#disqus_thread (https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/07/17/no-deal-trump-cancels-sale-of-u-s-f-35-fighter-jets-to-turkey/#disqus_thread)

...I wouldn't let them have anything good of ours...but I would give them my foot to their ass!!!
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on August 28, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
Let them have flying Lada's...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/picture-worth-thousand-words-or-least-100-f-35-jets (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/picture-worth-thousand-words-or-least-100-f-35-jets)

...rather shoot their shyt down than ours!

While Erdogan sends Turkey deeper into Islamo-fascist trash (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-27/turkey-death-jews-indictrination-summer-camp)...all we need is a few more reasons to kick their asses out of NATO...better yet let's just leave period and let the Eurotards have 'em!

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 16, 2019, 12:07:36 PM
Frankly my dear I don't GAFF if we pull the plug or little bitch Erdogan does!

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-gives-nato-middle-finger-threatens-shutter-critical-military-bases-over (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/turkey-gives-nato-middle-finger-threatens-shutter-critical-military-bases-over)

Far as I am concerned the Rooskies can have this SH and all the BS it brings!

And as long as they don't eff with important neighbors they won't get sent back to the stone age the so long for.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2020, 08:34:48 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-dont-they-open-gates-erdogan-questions-europe-250000-syrians-flee-idlib (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-dont-they-open-gates-erdogan-questions-europe-250000-syrians-flee-idlib)

Self-declared Pan-Islamic Sultan...taunts Euro's for not fully embracing their suicide via Islamic reconquista...

If only people opened an area only to corral the undesirables and cull them in one fell swoop!
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: John Florida on January 03, 2020, 04:53:39 PM
  Screw him they're his neighbors let him step up and take care of them instead of asking the world to care for them./  Doesn't he love his neighbors?
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on January 03, 2020, 07:17:41 PM
Putin has made it clear that they side with Syria against Turkey if push comes to shove but Russia is using diplomacy all over the place to avoid that if possible.

Meanwhile ..... Turkey has announced plans to send aid and maybe terrorist fighters to Libya to help the Muslim Brotherhood faction holding Tripoli. Turkey had funneled lots of Jihadis into Syria and now does not know what to do with them as they would just as soon kill Erdogan.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Pandora on January 04, 2020, 05:19:47 AM
Bah!  We need to get the hell out of the ME and let them blow each other up ....... without us.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2020, 01:40:04 PM
Gotta GTFO of NATO, get out of all shytholes and shytholes in the making!
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2020, 11:35:11 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/assad-joins-forces-libyas-haftar-combat-turkey (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/assad-joins-forces-libyas-haftar-combat-turkey)

 ::smallestviolin::

Like I GAFF!  Best result?  All die.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on March 04, 2020, 03:55:44 PM
The MSM does not report on this well. Erdogan armed and sent lots of Jihadis into Syria to take down Assad.
As Assad took back Syrian territory the Jihadis retreated to Idlib. They do not want to live under Assad.
Erdogan does not want these crazies in Turkey.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: John Florida on March 04, 2020, 04:48:57 PM
  But he is willing to ship people to Greece.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Pandora on March 04, 2020, 05:28:41 PM
Why wouldn't he.  Anywhere out of Turkey causes him not to have the headache of dealing with them.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2020, 07:06:03 PM
It's the same thing the Arab's did with the unwanted dregs aka "Pali's"...dumped them in Israel and let them cause trouble there...a two-fer, eff Israel and dregs gone...the GoebbelsMedia gave the Arab's a pass then too...SSDD...

Many were Jordanian's and sundry unwanted dregs...Erdogan pulling the same stunt...Pan is right...why wouldn't he?  Dump em on Assad and the idiot Euros...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 13, 2021, 12:46:25 PM
The cratering Lira may do more to advance the collapse of Turkey as much as anything...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkish-lira-craters-new-record-low-central-bank-burns-billions-futile-attempts-halt-crash (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkish-lira-craters-new-record-low-central-bank-burns-billions-futile-attempts-halt-crash)

...but what of the carcass and the contagion?  Some speculate this could trigger an "invited" Russian takeover of the country and total control over the Bosphorus and the flow of oil and gas as well as cargo and ships...or is this a globalist scheme to herd people from paper fiat to digital fiat?  The first would almost certainly result in armed conflict...which may be less nefarious than the globalist scheme advancing...but picking one bucket of feces over another is not a valid choice....saying nuts to both would be better.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 17, 2021, 09:31:10 AM
Turkey really hitting the skids now...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkey-halts-all-stock-trading-currency-disintegrates-central-bank-powerless-halt-collapse (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkey-halts-all-stock-trading-currency-disintegrates-central-bank-powerless-halt-collapse)

...soon to be joined by many others...including this nation that traitors are destroying...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: ToddF on December 17, 2021, 04:50:28 PM
Cutting interest rates in the midst of surging inflation.

I'd say good thing we can't go there, but that's only because we're at 0% amid surging inflation.

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2021, 11:40:55 AM
Cutting interest rates in the midst of surging inflation.

I'd say good thing we can't go there, but that's only because we're at 0% amid surging inflation.

 ::unknowncomic::

The Duran guys giggle and shake their heads when they talk about Erdogan. They say is too clever for his own good, plays both sides against the middle, and never thinks more than one step ahead.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2021, 08:12:31 AM
Cutting interest rates in the midst of surging inflation.

I'd say good thing we can't go there, but that's only because we're at 0% amid surging inflation.

 ::unknowncomic::

The Duran guys giggle and shake their heads when they talk about Erdogan. They say is too clever for his own good, plays both sides against the middle, and never thinks more than one step ahead.

Sounds about right...

He wants to pretend he knows how to play chess...but is at best a poor checkers player...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on December 21, 2021, 08:00:26 PM


The Duran is long winded about this. 30 minutes.
Erdogan wants to make Trurkey more self sufficient by letting the currency depreciate (?) to make imports more expensive. BUT that will make people poorer and for a long time. It is unlikely Erdogan will get re-elected if he does this so maybe no more elections. 
They said this has happened before in Latin America and ends in a change in government.

https://youtu.be/a1ObqB04l5o
Erdogan's bizarre economic policy for Turkey causes more Lira turmoil [Part 1]
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2021, 09:27:50 AM
Pretty sure elections are corrupt there too...most if not all are...it's just a quibble over degree...a change in government more than likely will be violent...and again I would be surprised if CIA, GRU, Mossad, ISI, SIS, BND, DGSE & MSS all didn't have operatives all over the place.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on December 22, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
Yes. Erdogan gutted some of the military is response to an alleged coup a couple years ago. I wonder what is left of their military. BTW Turkish drones and loitering munitions have been used in battles recently.

The reason Turkey turned more fundamentalist is that the Muslim East out bred the more secular Western part.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on December 23, 2021, 11:13:44 AM
Erdogan allowed the increasing fundamentalism...he was delusional enough to  see himself as the second coming of Suleiman the Magnificent...but he failed at it for the reason all vain egomaniacs fail...rare is the person who can be all things to all people...and picking favorites creates jealous enemies just as much as middling Machiavellian's with their never-ending push-pull tension games...and now he's old, feeble of mind and body...basically a Turkish Jello-head-Joe...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on December 23, 2021, 05:34:35 PM
Reminds me of a guy I knew. An engineer. Turkish who went to grad school in Germany where he met his Yugoslav wife.
She and the kid learned English watching Sesame Street in Chicago.
His family had a long military history and he was pushing 30 where he would be too old to enlist and would shame his family.
So at age 30 he took a leave from the company in Chicago and went back to boot camp!  At 30. I think he just had to spent a little time then the reserves.

Lucky for him they found out what he could do and he spent the whole time translating technical and military manual.
His name was Ufuk Baja K******. He went by Baha to his friends and Bob on is business card. I wonder why????
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on January 30, 2022, 11:31:55 AM
I think Erdogan's physical and mental state is slipping...it's likely they have a Biden-like leader on their hands...but one who calls his own shots and like most "strong" leaders a visceral hatred of any and all opposition...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/istanbuls-mayor-erdogans-worst-nightmare (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/istanbuls-mayor-erdogans-worst-nightmare)

...if this Imamoglu is really a threat I suspect Erdogan will dispense with the corrupt court vassals and have him rubbed out...he may even be able to contract it out to some Russian mercenaries since Russia would be loath to lose what tentacles it has invested into Erdogan's confidence.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on January 30, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
^^^^
The Duran guys used to cover Erdogan more. He is too complicated for me to understand. He gets himself in lots of jams. He funneled lots of Jihadis into Syria but later did not know what to do with them as he sure does not want them in Turkey.  I read he sent them into Azerbaijan and recently into some other battles I cannot remember the latest countrystan name.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2022, 09:05:36 AM
Lunatic Erdogan going Kurd slaying again...

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-announces-new-military-operation-northern-syria-against-kurds (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/erdogan-announces-new-military-operation-northern-syria-against-kurds)

...playing NATO partners for saps once more.

So tired of these clowns and NATO...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on May 05, 2023, 08:03:07 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-turkeys-may-14-election-really-matters (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/why-turkeys-may-14-election-really-matters)

Democracy!  So sick of that word...  Everybody home and abroad perverts that word to mean strongest mob rules.

Whatever.  The sins of the strong man in the Sick Man of Europe come home to roost...

And if it helps end NATO...well, I doubt even that would matter now with the expansion Northwards...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on May 15, 2023, 12:23:33 PM


Alex says that Erdogan got just shy of 50% so there will be a run off which he will win.
https://youtu.be/LcMxOA6cOXU
Erdogan 49.51%. Khmelnitsky gamma ray spike. Sunak hugs Elensky. Serbia protests. Meloni 360. U/1

Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on May 15, 2023, 02:33:11 PM
Yeah, looks like that insufferable geriatric megalomaniac is going to benefit from the exit of the minority Ultra-nationalist (is that another name for Nazi or am I projecting disinformation?)...

As Axios reports of Ogan, "He has said he would only consider endorsing K?l?çdaro?lu if the opposition leader promised not to make any concessions to a pro-Kurdish party. However, K?l?çdaro?lu needs Kurdish support to have any chance of victory."

Looks like Ogan is at the very least a disingenuous promise-giver...

Erdo the Turdo wins again...

 ::unknowncomic::
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on May 15, 2023, 02:53:18 PM

I never made any attempt to figure out Erdogan. Is there some ideology aspect to his main opponent? Is the US backing his opponent?
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on May 15, 2023, 03:03:32 PM
Have the Duran on. They say that polling in Turkey shows increasing distrust of US and increasing desire to stay close to Russia. They use the words "color revolution." Is the US trying that in Turkey? Did the US back the coup attempt a couple years ago? Apparently public opinion is that the US is meddling in their affairs.

As I said, I do not follow Turkey other than reading headlines.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on May 16, 2023, 08:04:13 AM
Yes, only the US meddles...everybody else is just so super nice and totally hands off...   ::unknowncomic::

In this case it doesn't matter, there is no way for anybody to game things here without serious risks of backfiring...what Erdo did do is instill a nationalist identity among Turks and I don't think the The Kenyan's tricks will work here, not if they want to keep the in the NATO fold and a nominal check on the region while they play in Ukraine.

Anything more than pouring money in for funny name with a K guy IMO is fraught with danger.  Besides, K guy is only a bit more moderate than Erdo, whuppty-do!

I see Beijing and Moscow being much more tempted to lend support to Erdo as he seems just a bit more amenable to them than K guy.

But I'm sure there are guys with bags of money from all over running around there...

ETA - Their sick man status seems secure no matter what though...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/key-issues-turks-want-their-next-president-address (https://www.zerohedge.com/political/key-issues-turks-want-their-next-president-address)
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on May 16, 2023, 11:55:08 AM

I never said that only the US is meddling in other countries.

I read that Erdogan was elected because of demographic changes. The Muslim fundamentalists out bred the secular population. I will never try to understand Erdogan.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on May 17, 2023, 08:31:05 AM
Well all that change began under the (born in Greece, heh) Kemal Ataturk (Gallipoli victor [German leadership on Ottoman side was mediocre at best] over Russia, France & Britain)...and the war hero and hero of Turkish independence might have created a secular state but he was a nationalist who spoke of desiring to establish a new kind of caliphate, later tossed aside once its usefulness was past and the Sultanate was abolished...he knew the failures of the Ottoman Empire and chief among them was an inability to modernize...he never asked anyone to give up their religion, just to absorb the modern while retaining the history, traditions and religion of the Turkish people.  A nationalist.  And his cooperation with the new Soviet state in battling "imperialists" shows to what extent he would go to fight Monarchists...though Britain can hardly be called a Monarchy when the Monarch's are powerless.  In truth he saw weakness in a waning empire and wanted some spoils, and he liked fighting Brits.  He was a nationalist through and through.  And Erdogan sees himself in the same way...but more so I think.  He has shall we say a colorful history.  He seems himself as Turkey, he and the state are one and inseparable.  And Turkey will float or sink with him.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on May 30, 2023, 09:41:07 AM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-does-erdogans-reelection-mean-new-cold-war (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/what-does-erdogans-reelection-mean-new-cold-war)

Big shock.

Sink or swim...or just desperately tread water...

Whatever...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on May 30, 2023, 02:41:33 PM

Duran said Erdogan ran on an anti west platform. His opponent did also but people did not believe him. They said a stronger opponent might have won.  There are strong economic ties between Russia and Turkey and people would be harmed by anti Russian moves.
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on June 01, 2023, 08:08:47 AM
I'd like to kick them to the curb...but doubt I will live to see it...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on August 02, 2023, 02:49:36 PM
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-visit-turkey-erdogan-urges-grain-deal-renewal-bridge-peace (https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/putin-visit-turkey-erdogan-urges-grain-deal-renewal-bridge-peace)

Interestingly, Turkey is not a signatory to the ICC Rome Statute...but it doesn't mean some ethnic Turk couldn't be MK Ultra'd into a lethal anti-Putin froth and turned loose...
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: Libertas on August 14, 2023, 09:43:23 AM
The Turks themselves may be the best ally we have that extricates them from NATO...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkiye-quietly-renounces-nato-links-not-nato-benefits (https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/turkiye-quietly-renounces-nato-links-not-nato-benefits)

...and we from them...and all it takes is one departure to lead to more...but I despair of ever seeing the day when we kick them all to the curb...or the expel the abominable Useless Nations!
Title: Re: Sick Man of Europe (Turkey) - Episode 2
Post by: patentlymn on August 14, 2023, 11:30:41 AM

The Duran is a good source for Erdogan stories and analysis. From memory, Russia is pissed that Turkey released the AZOV POWs back into Ukr, despite agreeing not to.
 Duran some times invoke the story of the frog and the scorpion to explain him. "It's his nature."

Turkey was to make bank off being a natural gas "hub" for Russian nat gas.  Recently Moscow has been using different, weaker language to describe that future arrangement.Turkey was making big money off the grain deal. Not any more. EU was also making money. The biggest single consumer of the grain were pigs in Spain.

I recently saw photos of Turkish cluster munition shells allegedly sold to Kiev. Erdogan has been trying to patch things up with Moscow. These shells might make that difficult.

Russia alleges that EU said they would make it easier to Russia to export RU grain in exchange for the grain deal by removing some sanctions and allowing a RU ag bank back on SWIFT but did nothing in 9 months. RU also alleges that the grain corridor was used to transport weapons to Kiev. Again, factual reporting is rare.

Turkey is twitchy about Kiev attacking RU ships patrolling the RU-Turkey nat gas pipeline as they believe Kiev wants to blow up that pipeline.