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Title: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: fordguy_85 on January 03, 2016, 07:21:00 AM
Any of you guys seen this yet?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/three-of-cliven-bundys-sons-militia-seize-federal-building-in-oregon/article/2579459 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/three-of-cliven-bundys-sons-militia-seize-federal-building-in-oregon/article/2579459)
http://conservativetribune.com/militia-federal-facility-2/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TPNNPages&utm_content=2016-01-02&utm_campaign=manualpost (http://conservativetribune.com/militia-federal-facility-2/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=TPNNPages&utm_content=2016-01-02&utm_campaign=manualpost)
Here's the article from the Washington Examiner...

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Three of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's sons and what they claim are 150 militia members have occupied a federal building in eastern Oregon in order to keep two local ranchers out of prison, according to local reports.

The group is believed to be heavily-armed.

According to The Oregonian, the group seized the headquarters building at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge about 50 miles outside Burns, Ore. The remote facility was closed and unoccupied at the time.

Bundy and his supporters were in Oregon after two men were scheduled to go to prison on Monday for setting fires on federal land, according to a report by Oregon Public Broadcasting. The case has caused a stir in eastern Oregon because the two men were charged under anti-terrorism laws.

The two men, Dwight and Steve Hammond, appealed their cases multiple times, the report stated. They were required to report to prison on Monday.

The militia groups say the Hammond's were illegally prosecuted for setting what they claim was a controlled fire because the federal government has no authority at the county level.

"The facility has been the tool to do all the tyranny that has been placed upon the Hammonds," Ammon Bundy told the Oregonian.

Cliven Bundy, a rancher who engaged in an armed standoff with federal officials due a dispute he had with the Bureau of Land Management, was not present.

Earlier Saturday the Bundy brothers and an estimated 300 protesters marched in through Burns, Oregon, about 50 miles from the building they seized.

Ammon Bundy on Saturday posted a video on his Facebook page asking "patriots" from across the country should to report to the refuge with weapons.

An investigative reporter for The Oregonian tweeted that Ammon Bundy wants to use the federal refuge as a militia base for years to come and called for anti-government supporters from around the country to come to the area.

It's unknown if the men are armed, but Cliven Bundy told John Sepulvado with Oregon Public Broadcasting that the militiamen have enough food supplies to last "a while."

In an interview with The Oregonian, Ammon Bundy refused to rule out violence if law enforcement officials try to intervene.

"We're planning on staying here for years, absolutely," he told The Oregonian. "This is not a decision we've made at the last minute."

Ammon Bundy said he met with local ranchers in the area that refused to take part in the seizure of the federal building, but decided to go ahead with the effort anyway.

He said he's calling out to other militiamen around the country to join the cause.


"We hope they will grab onto this and realize that it's been happening," he said.

Cliven Bundy gained international notoriety in 2014 because he refused to pay more than $1 million he owed the federal government for grazing cattle on federal property. Anti-government militias flocked to the Nevada ranch and engaged Bureau of Land Management and other federal agencies in an armed standoff for weeks.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: fordguy_85 on January 03, 2016, 07:23:12 AM
And another article from the Oregonian...

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 03, 2016, 09:53:44 AM
Got no dog in this hunt but my hope is that the entire state burns to the ground.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 03, 2016, 10:28:03 AM
As Sipsey Street Irregulars observed, we'll know who the Fed plants are since they'll be the ones who "survive."

Actually the smarter thing for the Feds would be to just wait them out until the basic necessities of life require them to give up.  That would be a bigger propaganda victory than conducting Waco Part II.  Also, I'm sure it's totally legit that this happened 2 days before Obama is set to announce his imperial decrees on gun control.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 03, 2016, 10:42:28 AM
And another article from the Oregonian...

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo)

As is often the case the comments are more illuminating than that story itself. What the comments tell me is that we need a cleansing in this country.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: IronDioPriest on January 03, 2016, 02:23:47 PM
A lot to digest at conservativetreehouse...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/)

In the comments, someone posted a video about that land being rich in natural gas and uranium.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 03, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
A lot to digest at conservativetreehouse...

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/03/full-story-on-whats-going-on-in-oregon-militia-take-over-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-in-protest-to-hammond-family-persecution/)

In the comments, someone posted a video about that land being rich in natural gas and uranium.
If that's the case, look for it to be ceded to China as payment.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2016, 07:32:43 PM
As Sipsey Street Irregulars observed, we'll know who the Fed plants are since they'll be the ones who "survive."

Actually the smarter thing for the Feds would be to just wait them out until the basic necessities of life require them to give up.  That would be a bigger propaganda victory than conducting Waco Part II.  Also, I'm sure it's totally legit that this happened 2 days before Obama is set to announce his imperial decrees on gun control.

I sense a slaughter like the biker bar fiasco, that was the template...nobody seems to GAFF that people were gunned down, arrested without charges and will be basically tried without due process.  A little thing called "discovery" seems to have been nullified.

Time people start nullifying their supposed Masters.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2016, 07:33:58 PM
And another article from the Oregonian...

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo (http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2016/01/drama_in_burns_ends_with_quiet.html#incart_big-photo)

As is often the case the comments are more illuminating than that story itself. What the comments tell me is that we need a cleansing in this country.

The cleansing becomes more necessary with each passing second...as does the difficulty.  Order 66 approaches fast.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 03, 2016, 07:54:25 PM
As Sipsey Street Irregulars observed, we'll know who the Fed plants are since they'll be the ones who "survive."

Actually the smarter thing for the Feds would be to just wait them out until the basic necessities of life require them to give up.  That would be a bigger propaganda victory than conducting Waco Part II.  Also, I'm sure it's totally legit that this happened 2 days before Obama is set to announce his imperial decrees on gun control.

I sense a slaughter like the biker bar fiasco, that was the template...nobody seems to GAFF that people were gunned down, arrested without charges and will be basically tried without due process.  A little thing called "discovery" seems to have been nullified.

Time people start nullifying their supposed Masters.


It's a classic playbook -- start off with social marginals ("Eww, biker gangs?" and "Eww, survivalist militia loons?") and shove that normalcy bias a bit further in the desired direction.

Sipsey Street also made another post later, reaffirming their "No More Free Wacos" position regardless of the particulars in this event.  We all know what's coming in this country.  Something will end up sparking it.  We don't get to pick what it is.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: fordguy_85 on January 03, 2016, 09:06:18 PM
I just hope and pray enough of us are ready when it does spark off...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2016, 08:55:33 AM
As Sipsey Street Irregulars observed, we'll know who the Fed plants are since they'll be the ones who "survive."

Actually the smarter thing for the Feds would be to just wait them out until the basic necessities of life require them to give up.  That would be a bigger propaganda victory than conducting Waco Part II.  Also, I'm sure it's totally legit that this happened 2 days before Obama is set to announce his imperial decrees on gun control.

I sense a slaughter like the biker bar fiasco, that was the template...nobody seems to GAFF that people were gunned down, arrested without charges and will be basically tried without due process.  A little thing called "discovery" seems to have been nullified.

Time people start nullifying their supposed Masters.


It's a classic playbook -- start off with social marginals ("Eww, biker gangs?" and "Eww, survivalist militia loons?") and shove that normalcy bias a bit further in the desired direction.

Sipsey Street also made another post later, reaffirming their "No More Free Wacos" position regardless of the particulars in this event.  We all know what's coming in this country.  Something will end up sparking it.  We don't get to pick what it is.

Bingo!

Take this view of the standoff in Oregon written by another Sunshine Patriot (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-03/oregon-standoff-terrible-plan-we-might-be-stuck?page=1#comment-6994914)!

For such types (like that coward Beck!) there is always an excuse not to defend a Liberty Principle...but at some point your ability to control an event escapes your grasp and you are left with a hard choice.  Only then will we separate the wheat from the chaff.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2016, 08:55:48 AM
I just hope and pray enough of us are ready when it does spark off...

Amen!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 04, 2016, 03:29:00 PM
An Obama peep, making everything worse as usual...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/montel-williams-calls-shoot-kill-oregon-showdown-militiamen-respond-they-are-ready-f (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-04/montel-williams-calls-shoot-kill-oregon-showdown-militiamen-respond-they-are-ready-f)

...sure would like to see Mr Tough Guy take point on the Fedcoat goon squad...he being so effing brave and eager to back up his mouth.

Do it...I double dare ya. 
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2016, 07:53:29 AM
Sheriff, obviously not a Liberty Sheriff...issuing the first official warning -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-05/its-time-you-leave-oregon-sheriff-demands-militiamen-peacefully-depart (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-05/its-time-you-leave-oregon-sheriff-demands-militiamen-peacefully-depart)

Of course, it's never time to tell Fedcoats to stop their tyranny and oppression, never time to stop coming up with trumped up charges just to seize private property and make it even easier to do so next go around, never time to question where prosecutors get their expanded discreationary power from, never time to ask why the government has so much land and why it is not in the hands of the people.

Yeah, it's too hard to ask real questions involving real principles upon which this nation was founded.  Yeah, it's too hard...fvck it, let the government win, that's so easy to do.

 ::cussing:: coward!  This Sheriff should be recalled!  But it's candyassed Oregon, probably nothing but statist-loving asshats there.

And if there is a miscalculation as to the venue for this resistance perhaps that is it...but then again the never-a-good-place/timer's always have an excuse, so, whatever.

PS - To those a-holes asking what would happen if the folks occupying this place where black, what would happen...(the implication being they presume it would be stormed and and the negroes slayed by trigger-happy LEO's) -

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/cx629fawsaiq73s.jpg)

They live, are cannonized as a hero by the MFM and ass-kissing progs and become the chief law enforcement officer of a bi-sexual Muslim un-American black liberation race-baiting community organizer POSOTUS.

We can only hope these guys do as well, eh?
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 05, 2016, 10:23:33 AM
Stephen Crowder has a run down of the backstory here:

http://louderwithcrowder.com/quick-hits-everything-you-need-to-know-about-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-standoff/ (http://louderwithcrowder.com/quick-hits-everything-you-need-to-know-about-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge-standoff/)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 05, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
Pretty good, G.  And we are hearing NONE of this in the MFM, because as always all those fools do is stick their noses up statist butts...when statists fart they fart.

And yeah, the first and biggest mistake these Oregonian's made was cooperating and taking this like a sheep.

The issue is still dangling out there...and if only the Bundy's are trying to talk about it...statists doing whatever they like with citizens and private property...then everybody in this nation might as well just kill themselves.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 05, 2016, 01:08:52 PM
From what I read about the Boston Massacre, it was largely instigated by some colonial ruffians, the sort of people the Founders probably preferred keeping at arms length, but none of that changes the fact that the overreaction by the Crown's men ended up being a major contributor to rebel sentiment in the colonies.  I won't be surprised if the spark that ignites the fire comes from a similar source.

Besides, we are never going to win the PR battle anyway, at least not early on.  Truth and fact have nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 06, 2016, 12:05:15 PM
Effing US Attorney here is a bleeping ObamaBot long-time moonbat leftist commune-dwelling psycho-stalker batshyt loon!


http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-oregon-bundy-militia-standoff-the-federal-prosecutor-at-the-heart-of-the-hammond-family-problem/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/unbelievable-update-oregon-bundy-militia-standoff-the-federal-prosecutor-at-the-heart-of-the-hammond-family-problem/)


That's how you get into positions where you can fvck over every enemy you can find or invent...be the biggest left-wing lunatic on the planet and be rewarded by a like-minded asshole!


Man...when shyt goes kinetic...I hope we have enough streetlights and rope!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 07, 2016, 11:38:07 AM
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html)

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/federal_lands.jpg)

Sick!  Wrong!  Must end!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on January 07, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html)

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 08, 2016, 06:13:04 AM
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html)

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.

It's not you...I rained on myself.  The Conservative Treehouse article mentioned it too...and for some reason it didn't stick...but right at the start they said "Former US Attorney"...and then you wonder why is a former USA recommending anything in this case...but then later you read the chain of events going way back (also covered in that Crowder link) and see the decision to go after these folks hard was basically decided in 2013.  The dates and such go whipping back and forth all over this thing.  And her skittering out of town did happen last year...but after the process was already rolling on the poor Hammond's.

OK, we're back in context now!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on January 08, 2016, 08:23:47 AM
Now the skunk is trying to skitter out before some of her abnormal behavior gets her canned....

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/04/oregon_us_attorney_amanda_mars.html)

....poetic justice would be seeing this POS found rotting in a ditch.

And on the theme of the Fedcoats owning too much of our land...

Dude. I hate to rain on your parade, but that article is from April, 2015.

It's not you...I rained on myself.  The Conservative Treehouse article mentioned it too...and for some reason it didn't stick...but right at the start they said "Former US Attorney"...and then you wonder why is a former USA recommending anything in this case...but then later you read the chain of events going way back (also covered in that Crowder link) and see the decision to go after these folks hard was basically decided in 2013.  The dates and such go whipping back and forth all over this thing.  And her skittering out of town did happen last year...but after the process was already rolling on the poor Hammond's.

OK, we're back in context now!

Ahhh! Now I see.

Thanks, my undercover brotha from a different motha.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 11, 2016, 12:11:51 PM
(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/burns-7-harney-county-sheriff-david-ward.jpg)
Oregon Sheriff David "Himmler" Ward, also known as "Witness #11, BLM 'Rangeland Specialist' David Ward".

(https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/burns-6.jpg)

The prototype eager fascist prick who would pull the trigger on any citizen if ordered to do so.  AKA - sub-human scum, fascist state-buttbuddy.

Situation update -

“I’m here to offer safe escort out,” the sheriff told Bundy. “Go back and kick it around with your folks.”

The sheriff initially said he planned to call Bundy on Friday to see what he and his group decided.

But later Bundy told reporters that the protesters won’t leave until federal land in the county is turned over to residents to manage on their own.

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/10/another-unbelievable-update-why-does-harney-county-sheriff-david-ward-want-hammond-family-story-hidden/ (http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/10/another-unbelievable-update-why-does-harney-county-sheriff-david-ward-want-hammond-family-story-hidden/)

Yeah...I'd have gone with..."The protesters won’t leave until federal land in the county is turned over to residents to manage on their own, go back and kick that around with your fellow fascists."

 ::mooning::
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 12, 2016, 07:57:54 AM
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/latest-escalation-oregon-militia-tears-down-government-fence-demands-freedom-rancher (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-11/latest-escalation-oregon-militia-tears-down-government-fence-demands-freedom-rancher)

Fence cutting, small but symbolic.

So far it is all polite and the niceties are being observed...

It appears the Fedcoats are not in a hurry to escalate...but as with past confrontations this could still go either way...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on January 14, 2016, 06:29:22 PM
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/)

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 15, 2016, 06:30:48 AM
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/)

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
It's a damn shame any of them survived their impersonation/infiltration. ::facepalm::
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2016, 07:38:42 AM
Fit is fixing to hit the shan. Thanks to the Federal Bureau of Incineration.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/oregon-fire-marshall-resigns-exposing-undercover-fbi-agents-posing-militia/)

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This week, Harney County Fire Marshall Chris Briels resigned after discovering undercover FBI agents posing as militia members near the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, which has been the site of a standoff for weeks now. According to Briels, he found FBI agents who were impersonating militia members lurking around the town’s armory. When he inquired about the undercover operation with county Judge Steve Grasty he was told to back off.

Just before this discovery was made, there were reports of people who looked like militia harassing locals, which is uncharacteristic of the protesters who initially assembled at the refuge. It turns out that these militia members suspected of harassing locals were actually undercover FBI agents.
It's a damn shame any of them survived their impersonation/infiltration. ::facepalm::

This is exactly what I have been waiting for!  Something like this had to be in the works, the Feds and the County have been too damned quiet, and one thing we know for sure - all statists regardless of era or location cannot ever back down from uppity citizens!  If that spirit is not crushed they know the end is near for them. 

They are the ones who should be getting scared now.  What they are incapable of realizing is THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE FOUNDERS INTENDED!  The Founders ALWAYS understood the only thing that will keep a Republic honest is a knowledgeable and armed citizenry.  The Founders knew the ultimate check-and-balance on government overreach at any level was an aroused and armed populace.  This is what the Founders wanted and in fact counted on...and it is the very thing that makes every statist shat their pants.  It is The State that needs to back down and back off here, not the people.  It is the government and its agencies that have to reverse course, not the people.  They need to understand that...or have it explained to them in blood.

And make no mistake, they are getting scared -

“Government employees around here, when they go downtown, they get hammered because their bosses did this or they did that,”

Good, that's they way it is supposed to be...but it does not occur to these minions to stop doing what they are doing to their own people...they are just following orders!  Hint - That didn't work so well at the Nuremburg Trials, look it up!

One of Appelman’s former colleagues was threatened and told to “go home,” despite the fact she’s lived in the county for 25 years. “Because she’s a BLM employee. That’s why they told her that,”

That's because you and your fellow blindly obedient Fedcoats are oppressing your own people!  You are the Gestapo, you are the SS!  Get it?

“Federal employees find this disturbing,” said BLM spokesman Randy Eardley. “There is a very clear threat to federal employees, particularly the BLM.”

And it is all totally unreasonable, I mean it's not like dictates from the District of Corruption that make no sense whatsoever where people can be harrassed, fined and jailed for the most nonsensical bullshat is fueling the anger of your fellow citizens against you that could be the cause...no, these people need to be taught a lesson, right?  Obey, or else.  Well, they are saying "up yours, fascist...we'll see your 'or else' and raise you a "fvckle-doodle-do!", and now y'all are getting that and act like you are the victims!

“Many of these confrontations are taking place as their employees are grocery shopping, running errands with their families and trying to lead their day-to-day lives,”

Oh, boo fricken hoo!  The leftist set the template for harrassing people (familiar at all with the antics of the recent anti-Scott Walker crowd?), you are effing lucky these people haven't escalated...yet...but I am sure the attitude you are taking is going to ensure that, so deep down you want a kinetic confrontation.

“The local people, generally, maybe not support the federal employees, but they don’t – we’re a community here,” Renchler said. “They don’t take it personally.”

Heh, pure hopium!  They are taking it personal you fool!  My God, the self-deception of these minions really is comparable to the Nazis, isn't it?

“How many ranchers’ kids work for the government, work for the BLM? I know quite a few,”

More delusion...they think enough of the people are sheep and will shrug and go back being sheep once this all blows over.  But, what if it blows up?

“I don’t want to see my neighbors and my families pitted against each other,”

Then stop supporting mindless drones carrying out the tyrannical orders of assholes who are oppressing your neighbors!  Maybe you have to write that on a 2x4 and beat these morons with it?

“I don’t like my family members and my friends fearing for their lives,” she said. “I don’t like the thought that my daughter could wake up one night and possibly have somebody outside trying to set fire to her house, or slash her tires, or follow her home and harass her and my grandchildren.”

Nobody has done that yet...so stop playing the victim, it does not absolve the hive-minded Gestapo for acting like hive-minded Gestapo.

“That pisses me off,” she said. “That makes me want to go down there and tell them to get the hell out.”

Big talk, why haven't you done that?  What are you affraid of?  Come on, you can say it, we all know...you don't want to be told you and your ilk are the oppressors!  Nobody gives a shat if you are fearful or angry...they just don't give a shat!

http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/harney-county-federal-employees/ (http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/harney-county-federal-employees/)

These punks are pulling the teachers union playbook out too, enlisting their kids to talk about how scared they are in their own towns...but what they aren't telling you is mommy and/or daddy works for the government too. 

All this crap could be coming right out of Hitler Youth manuals.

And it is not getting angry out there just here, Nevada is heating up again too.

"We got to live in this community," said Smith, who supervised, trained and still hunts with Furtado in this community where many carry concealed handguns. "All these issues, none of them are worth dying over. I worry about that — so does Doug."

 ::ohno::  Armed citizens!  OMG, those are the worst kind!  Yeah, schmuck...you assholes carry too, eh?  Or do you call DC hotline for 1-FEDCOAT-R-US for goons?

I'm glad you are worried!

"Support ranchers," "Protect grazing, water rights" and "Honk to impeach Furtado!"  "I lay on it when I go by," said rancher Eddyann Filippini, 59. "You do what you got to do when the devil's got the sword to your throat."

Sounds fed up to me.  Good.

"There's no more partnership," Filippini said. "Now it's them or us."  That's what concerns Furtado and his defenders.

Really fed up!

"Everybody felt a little more empowered when the BLM didn't impound Cliven Bundy," Smith said.

I think that is why they chose to get Fedcoats disguised as Militia and snoop around in Oregon to see what trouble they could gin up as an excuse to go Waco on these peoples butts.  They need a False Flag event to kill this irritating display of authentic American individualism now or that crazy notion might catch fire.

Filippini, the local rancher, said she has worked well with Ruhs.  "I respect John very much. But I can't say that's true of the local office," she said, laughing bitterly. "There's zero trust; there's zero integrity. It's like they're the bullies on the block."  If they can't reach an agreement, Filippini intends to turn her cattle out as scheduled March 1.  "Until we go back to being partners, that's the way it's going to be," she said. "We will stand and fight for our property." 

 ::thumbsup::


"I just don't see it ending that way here," he said. "The people who abuse the public lands the worst are the ones who will fight the hardest."

Gosh, I wonder if there would have been more harmony had the government not seized control of such enormous tracts of land?  The Feds own most of Nevada, if people had bigger spreads of land to manage themselves and didn't have BLM, EPA, etc etc around...well, we'll never know, will we?  Until they are driven off.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-ranchers-blm-20160114-story.html (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-nevada-ranchers-blm-20160114-story.html)

Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 15, 2016, 12:20:14 PM
I have been following this for a while but with virtually no real news in my area of the country on this, I really don't know the details.  So I am hoping one or more of you can school me on the situation.

From what I have read both the Bundy's as well as the Oregon family have used federal land as part of their ranching operation for decades with the cooperation of the BLM.  For some reason all of the sudden the BLM does not like the way they are treating the land and want them off of it.  I read where the Bundy's were accused of environmental damage and the Oregon situation was about a controlled burn off.  Am I even close to having this right ??

So the Bundy's along with others stood their ground some months ago about this change in how the BLM wanted them to get off the land and now the Oregon supporters have taken the Federally owned building in protest of the BLM treatment in that case.  From What I have read, I don't understand why two people went to prison, other than the possibility that the gov wanted to make examples of them to put fear into everyone else.   Now we have the allegations of the FBI doing some underhanded things as well.

Some say that these ranchers are just greedy and want to take advantage and are trying to abuse the system and that the protesters are just those crazy gun loving conservatives.  Others say this is a gov land grab and if successful this will start happening all over the country.

Some may have seen other posts by me and know that I believe that this country is all but gone, and that I share with most here the true belief of how we must return to our constitution.  And their efforts to destroy it.  I would simply like to understand these specific events a little better.

So,  Can some here explain these events in common terms that even a guy from Kentucky can understand, or even provide a link to details of the evens that are not to difficult.  Many of the news articles are so limited in actual information and there is so much he said she said.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Pandora on January 15, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Read this thread from the beginning sfetter, particularly the link IDP posted here ...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265)

... and you should get a good idea what's going on.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 15, 2016, 02:43:44 PM
Read this thread from the beginning sfetter, particularly the link IDP posted here ...

http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265 (http://itsaboutliberty.com/index.php?topic=13937.msg151265#msg151265)

... and you should get a good idea what's going on.

Thanks
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 15, 2016, 07:31:24 PM
 All I can say is wow!!  I am surprised that their has not been shooting yet.  All law enforcement as well as the judicial system in that state should be removed as traitors.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 15, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
All I can say is wow!!  I am surprised that their has not been shooting yet.  All law enforcement as well as the judicial system in that state should be removed as traitors.

In my state there was a killing of a US federal prosecutor a few years back. He was crooked as the day is long but a dhimmicrat so he was immune - or so he thought. One night someone sneaked up on him and shot him in the head. They never have found the perp and there was no trail to go cold.

I say he should serve as a warning...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 15, 2016, 09:14:16 PM
Folks are getting fed up...they've been bullied too hard...and with the economy going in the tank it is only going to exacerbate things...

Stuff could be about to hit more than one fan...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on January 16, 2016, 08:34:01 AM
So now the firechief says he was misunderstood.

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/fbi-agents-werent-posing-as-militia-ex-fire-chief-clarifies (http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/fbi-agents-werent-posing-as-militia-ex-fire-chief-clarifies)

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Chris Briels, who recently resigned his position as Harney County fire chief, says Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, whose Wednesday press release sparked concern about a throwback to FBI infiltration and dirty tricks against activists, must have misunderstood him.

Fiore’s release said Briels had determined “men posing as ‘militia’ were the FBI.” Briels tells U.S. News he did indeed catch undercover FBI agents in small-town Burns, near where armed protesters are occupying a federal wildlife refuge, but that they were not posing as militia.

“They weren’t posing as anything other than dishonest people,” he says. “They were perceived as militia by the locals, but they weren’t posing out there with a shirt that said ‘I’m militia.’”

CYA. Out of towners acting shady and perceived as militia by the locals. I'd say their mission was accomplished.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 17, 2016, 11:10:47 AM
Effing coward.

But doing the right thing is a character trait of the America of yesteryear... 

The Great Reckoning will reset many things...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 18, 2016, 12:43:35 PM
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 18, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?
Refer back to the constitution...there isn't supposed to be baring military forts and ports of entry.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Pandora on January 18, 2016, 12:54:09 PM
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?

Because they can: the National Monuments and Antiquities Act or somesuch.  Doesn't even require Congress' current action, just pen/phone.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on January 18, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
And the larger question at the root of all of this: just why in the hell is there so much "Federal land" in the first place?

The federal government owns 85% of Nevada.   Granted most of it is desert.   But only the private sector will  ever find a use for it,  like Disney did with useless swamps in Florida.   At this point,  no one even has a chance to figure it out.   Its closed to you and me and just sits.

70% of Alaska (since its such a huge state, that 70% is larger then most states).   Except for about 5% that is privately owned,  the rest of Alaska belongs to the state government itself.   Ever wonder why Alaska doesn't develop much?   Its not just because its cold there.   Most of the state is closed to development.

Imagine the boom that  could be if that land was opened up to people?   It would be like pioneer times again in a lot of ways.  It would be amazing.   I think many would do it too,  as there are so many places in the US that just have no growth anymore. 



http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/2004/articles6/state_by_state_government_land_o.htm (http://www.propertyrightsresearch.org/2004/articles6/state_by_state_government_land_o.htm)


The further you go west,  the more is owned by the federal government.   

Frankly we could probably pay off the federal debt by selling land.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 19, 2016, 11:49:25 AM
All of this acknowledgement of the feds taking over land is just another piece of the puzzle called Agenda 21.  I am sure most here already know of it.

I just find it amazing that after watching the video posted of the woman constitutional lawyer who stated that there is no such thing as federally owned land under the constitution, that the states would not challenge some of this.  Guess they are just cowards and want to take the easy road and whatever the feds offer them to comply.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 19, 2016, 12:09:09 PM
All of this acknowledgement of the feds taking over land is just another piece of the puzzle called Agenda 21.  I am sure most here already know of it.

I just find it amazing that after watching the video posted of the woman constitutional lawyer who stated that there is no such thing as federally owned land under the constitution, that the states would not challenge some of this.  Guess they are just cowards and want to take the easy road and whatever the feds offer them to comply.


The major precedent of the Civil War was the Federal government establishing its will over the states through force of arms.  Anything in the Constitution that contradicts this is nothing more than empty words on old parchment.

There will have to be another civil war before any of that changes.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on January 19, 2016, 03:58:51 PM
Interesting take on the situation by Ron Paul.   

http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2016/01/12/is-civil-disobedience-ramping-up/ (http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2016/01/12/is-civil-disobedience-ramping-up/)

(please note,  I am not a Ron bot,  don't shoot the messenger,  just putting it out there)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 19, 2016, 05:29:06 PM
RP is right on a lot of stuff...liberty and economic stuff...

Fits my take that people are getting more fed up all over...

I disagree that this is reversible in the context of the existing perverted system, but that will be sorted out the only way it could ever hope to be sorted out...mostly because the Fedcoats leave no other option.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 20, 2016, 10:15:44 PM
Interesting take on the situation by Ron Paul.   

http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2016/01/12/is-civil-disobedience-ramping-up/ (http://www.bitterrootbugle.com/2016/01/12/is-civil-disobedience-ramping-up/)

(please note,  I am not a Ron bot,  don't shoot the messenger,  just putting it out there)

Thanks for the link.

It's comforting to know that RP is still batshyt crazy.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Right Wing Nut Job on January 25, 2016, 08:06:53 PM
They found and took down cameras there in Oregon.  Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCAxGmDq9k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCAxGmDq9k)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 25, 2016, 08:33:39 PM
They're playing with fire. I hope that they've thought things through.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Right Wing Nut Job on January 26, 2016, 08:47:24 PM
Well that was fun (and productive).

http://katu.com/news/local/leader-of-oregon-occupation-ammon-bundy-three-others-arrested (http://katu.com/news/local/leader-of-oregon-occupation-ammon-bundy-three-others-arrested)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 26, 2016, 09:36:16 PM
I am not sure this is over.

""Somebody will do something stupid," Grasty said. "If it goes south, it'll go south because Mr. Bundy or his friends started something.""

Someone is already dead. Whomever fired first started something. The shot heard round the world was fired because that Milita Group believed the British had BURNED Concord.  They hadn't,  but the that shot started the ware none-the-less, and that fact that  it was in fact fired acting on bad information didn't seem to matter much. The time had come.  And then there are the Harper's Ferry events  that don't start wars but force even more people to pay attention so that they take sides for when the conflict does begin.  Is this a Harper's Ferry event?  Maybe.  Will Militias being a campaign if 4th Generation warfare against these Govt officials under the "No More Free Waco's" Line?  Well that probably depends on if there is a Waco event occurs here.

Update: as I was saying

http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-feds-accommodate-ammon-bundy-and.html (http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-feds-accommodate-ammon-bundy-and.html)

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The Feds accommodate Ammon Bundy and give him his John Brown at Harper's Ferry moment, and we get to make a choice.

    Ammon Bundy Taken Into FBI Custody

    I am awaiting better intel from the ground out in Burns before commenting further, but a few facts strike me right now:

    1. The Feds picked this fight. They apparently suckered Ammon and Co. by having locals invite them to a meeting, intending all along to ambush them at a deliberate road block and to simultaneously take down the occupation site.

    2. This was totally unnecessary since the resolve of the occupiers was weakening and they were in negotiations to achieve a peaceable exit. What the hurry was is mystifying to me since the Feds negotiated with the Montana Freemen for 81 days before coming to a peaceful resolution.

    3. Our attitude was that as much as we disagreed with Ammon Bundy's choice of targets, tactics, timing and "friends" like the sociopath (and probable Fed provocateur) Ryan Payne, the Feds had a higher duty not to violate the occupiers' due process rights.

    4. A sniper's bullet at a pre-planned roadblock is NOT due process.

    5. Such an action would not have been done without the sanction of the political leadership in the White House. Therefore we can conclude that this is, once again, the Feds making a show of the Waco logic embodied in Catch 22: "We can do anything you can't stop us from doing. We are the Imperial Feds and you WILL obey us."

    6. We need more information and confirmation of what I have written, but it is apparent that the Feds are giving us all a choice.


 
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2016, 07:47:25 AM
The Tree of Liberty is getting parched.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 27, 2016, 08:35:41 AM
The Tree of Liberty is getting parched.
The weeds of tyranny are thriving!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 27, 2016, 09:03:38 AM
Quote
Corrections to previous post.
The FBI did not advance to take the Refuge last night coincident with the roadblock and it was Ryan Bundy who was wounded not Ryan Payne (more's the pity). Will have more later.
Posted by Dutchman6 at 7:11 AM No comments:

http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-oregon-militiaman-murdered-by-cops-he-had-his-hands-in-the-air/ (http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-oregon-militiaman-murdered-by-cops-he-had-his-hands-in-the-air/)

IF this woman's story is true... actually scratch that.. if this woman's story is believed,  and if they move against the compound....

http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-sets-checkpoints-around-oregon-refuge-deadly-confrontation-140355598.html (http://news.yahoo.com/fbi-sets-checkpoints-around-oregon-refuge-deadly-confrontation-140355598.html)

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One of the remaining occupiers at the reserve, Jason Patrick, told Reuters by phone they would stay until the "redress of grievances."

“I've heard 'peaceful resolution' for weeks now and now there’s a cowboy who is my friend who is dead – so prepare for the peaceful resolution,” Patrick said.

The Malheur takeover, which started Jan. 2 with at least a dozen armed men, was a flare-up in the so-called Sagebrush Rebellion, a decades-old conflict over federal control of millions of acres in the West. Protesters say they are defending the Constitution. Bundy's father, Cliven, was a key figure in a 2014 armed standoff over unpaid grazing fees in Nevada.

The arrests have angered anti-government protesters across the country, said Mike Vanderboegh, a gun-rights activist active in self-proclaimed militia circles. "It's all I can do to keep people from going and shooting feds right now," he told Reuters.

Vanderboegh said he believed the FBI had acted too quickly to end a situation that was already on its way to a peaceful resolution.

Yeah. Historians may look back and see this as the real beginning of the second Civil war.
Good Job libtards. Ignore the rights of others, bully them and then act surprised when they finally start to fight back. The sad thing is how many of them think it will just be Militia against Law enforcement, and they won't be involved because no one is keeping a list or anything.


Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 27, 2016, 12:23:15 PM
I never thought I would live to see the day when my country turned into such a fascist state populated with so much utterly useless excrement!

The Fedcoats obviously waited in ambush to get these guys, probably used those perimeter cameras to lure them out, and these pukes feel no remorse over killing LaVoy and wounding another, they must be so f**king proud to follow another assholes orders against a citizen yet none of these f**king stormtroopers did sh*t to put down rioting ferals or rampaging muzzies.

sh*t makes me want to go nuclear.

This f**king country is beyond f**ked!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 27, 2016, 05:52:31 PM
I never thought I would live to see the day when my country turned into such a fascist state populated with so much utterly useless excrement!

The Fedcoats obviously waited in ambush to get these guys, probably used those perimeter cameras to lure them out, and these pukes feel no remorse over killing LaVoy and wounding another, they must be so f**king proud to follow another assholes orders against a citizen yet none of these f**king stormtroopers did sh*t to put down rioting ferals or rampaging muzzies.

sh*t makes me want to go nuclear.

This f**king country is beyond f**ked!
Never a truer statement than this. If we can look at it all from a list of assaults from the Fedcoats upon the people instead of looking at them at here and there we can clearly assess just how bad the situation really is.

I've always been a law enforcement type guy but after the least ten years reading about the absolute horrid things these asshats have done to the citizenry, I've become more than just apathetic to them, I've become darn right antagonistic toward anyone in the Fed Gov closet.

Face it folks, the sooner we can begin shooting them, the faster their numbers will come down and with it, the oppressive Fedcoat regime. ::rockets::
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 27, 2016, 09:04:05 PM
https://www.facebook.com/mark.mcconnell.127648/videos/vb.721369761/10154667085229762/?type=2&theater (https://www.facebook.com/mark.mcconnell.127648/videos/vb.721369761/10154667085229762/?type=2&theater)

Mark McConnell's account.  Not sure I am buying it.  He is out. The others are not. They might have just leaned on him and said "provide an alternative narrative and you can walk"  - or he is telling the truth. I do know a man with his face against the pavement and preoccupied with people cuffing him probably isn't much of an eye witness to events over a quarter of a mile down the road.

But then it may not matter...  when this thing finally starts, its not going to matter what the truth was, because we have all been personal recipients of the TRUTH -  Did the ferals that rioted over the summer concern themselves with the truth?  in a world where legitimacy flows form the barrel  of a gun and not from agreement and consent,  truth becomes relatively unimportant.


Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 27, 2016, 10:39:32 PM
I have total confidence in our law enforcement personnel. Why would they lie?

 ::speechless::
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 28, 2016, 08:08:21 AM
This is BS!  They must have waterboarded Bundy, threatened his family or this contains a code telling his daughter and the rest of the resistance on site that the Fedcoats are coming and there will be blood.  I don't trust these Fedcoats Gestapo goons or their local Quislings they have as their bitches for sh*t!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 28, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
This is BS!  They must have waterboarded Bundy, threatened his family or this contains a code telling his daughter and the rest of the resistance on site that the Fedcoats are coming and there will be blood.  I don't trust these Fedcoats Gestapo goons or their local Quislings they have as their bitches for sh*t!

http://www.infowars.com/ammon-bundy-admits-defeat-calls-on-remaining-oregon-occupiers-to-stand-down-go-home/ (http://www.infowars.com/ammon-bundy-admits-defeat-calls-on-remaining-oregon-occupiers-to-stand-down-go-home/)

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Following the overnight arrest of the Oregon militia leader and six of his associates by the FBI, as well as deadly shooting during a confrontation with federal authorities of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum, spokesperson for the militiamen occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, moments ago Portland’s KATU reported that Ammon Bundy, through his attorney, asked the remaining armed occupiers at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge to stand down and go home.

So maybe Bundy said this. Maybe not. It  hard for him to dispute it from in some hole somewhere. And it doesn't mean anyone will obey.  Statists don't seem to realize that in conservative circles "Leaders"  don't have the same function. They lead only while others are willing to follow.... But hey its like a libtard telling you that at the end of his life Reagan supported some form of gun control..  like the fact that Reagan said it ( in who knows what mental state)  would get you to change your mind..
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 28, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
Guys I am a little confused about something.  Why have we had such a different result from this standoff vs the one with the Bundys last year?  Correct me if I am wrong but was there not hundreds of armed people which stood their ground for the Bundys and since then the feds backed off, at least for now.

Yet with Hammonds, I know their situation is different, but still similar in many ways,  there has been far less support from patriots, and this now does not look like it will end well for anyone but the feds.  What am I missing??
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on January 28, 2016, 01:12:19 PM
Guys I am a little confused about something.  Why have we had such a different result from this standoff vs the one with the Bundys last year?  Correct me if I am wrong but was there not hundreds of armed people which stood their ground for the Bundys and since then the feds backed off, at least for now.

Yet with Hammonds, I know their situation is different, but still similar in many ways,  there has been far less support from patriots, and this now does not look like it will end well for anyone but the feds.  What am I missing??

The Hammonds never asked for people to take a stand there.  Nor were they supporting it either.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 28, 2016, 01:49:43 PM
"Don't fire until you see the whites of their eyes"

Can you imagine the steely resolve necessary in order to gaze upon the advancing redcoats - at the time representing the world's most powerful fighting force - and to utter, and obey this command? Hostilities had mounted between the colonialists and the redcoats and a precipitating event was all but inevitable. Partisans from both sides had ratcheted up the enmity and both sides were itching for the excuse to start shooting. The redcoats felt their authority inviolate and absolute. The colonialists thought themselves mistreated, beleaguered, and with their backs against the wall. At some point the existential question of who was in the right, who was in the wrong, and who would be allowed to survive would be pressed and both sides needed to know that their cause was right, was moral, and was sacred. Was it God's hand that pulled the trigger or was it men alone?

Did you know that there were colonialists who observed the events at Bunker Hill and felt in their heart of hearts that the militiamen were in the wrong? And that a considerable segment of the colonists opposed the revolution (passively and actively) as disloyal and cowardly? How would you like to have that dragging at you as you're fighting for your nascent nation and for your very life?

With the Burns, Oregon situation there has been (to me at least) a "shoot from the hip" haphazardness to the movements of the militiamen. From the amount and tone of the press generated I'm not alone in holding that impression.

I believe that the central issue of injustice to the Hammonds is true and genuine. I think that they have been horribly abused by the government. That said if we make missteps it is possible to nullify even the noblest of causes.  Seizing that facility detracted from the cause and became the cause itself - a stupid cause with only one possible ending.

When I go up against the machine that will inevitably consume me I want to be absolutely certain that my aim is true - both in my intentions and in my actions.

Edit: altard-proofed
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 28, 2016, 03:25:23 PM
What do you think?

https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foundation-payoffs-promised-hammond-ranch-other-publically-owned-lands-russia/ (https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-foundation-payoffs-promised-hammond-ranch-other-publically-owned-lands-russia/)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 28, 2016, 03:45:49 PM
What do you think?

https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-f...-lands-russia/. (https://www.intellihub.com/clinton-f...-lands-russia/.)

I think you link got truncated and it yields a 404
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on January 28, 2016, 06:17:23 PM
Sorry, corrected the link above.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2016, 07:45:21 AM
That sh*t wouldn't surprise me in the least, but regardless of the backroom machinations and despite the fact that the Fedcoats already own too much of our land...their eagerness to deprive us of our life, Liberty and property is evil and unamerican, and that some support their tyranny enrages me.

Yeah these folks came to Oregon uninvited by the victims of this latest fascist persecution, but their only mistake was not going in fully provisioned.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 29, 2016, 11:48:54 AM
They released the Finicum execution vid...unlike feral blacks this old white dude didn't look too dangerous and wasn't charging anybody...so it looks like to me the "hands up, don't shoot" negroes need to STFU and watch this clip.

Should have stayed holed up, picked off a few Gestapo as they charged instead.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 29, 2016, 12:15:06 PM
They released the Finicum execution vid...unlike feral blacks this old white dude didn't look too dangerous and wasn't charging anybody...so it looks like to me the "hands up, don't shoot" negroes need to STFU and watch this clip.

Should have stayed holed up, picked off a few Gestapo as they charged instead.

I can't tell if he is stumbling in the snow, or stumbling/grabbing at a newly acquired wound,  or reaching for a gun from that angle.  Of course if he were reaching for a gun,  wouldn't it be in his hand as he fell?
But I could see how a cop might fear for his own life-- but then when you are working for a corrupt govt agency overreaching its powers, maybe you should.  But yeah, if you are going to go, you need to take at least one, and this guy didn't accomplish that, so its hard to say what he was trying to do..

Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on January 29, 2016, 03:09:33 PM
Guys I am a little confused about something.  Why have we had such a different result from this standoff vs the one with the Bundys last year?  Correct me if I am wrong but was there not hundreds of armed people which stood their ground for the Bundys and since then the feds backed off, at least for now.

Yet with Hammonds, I know their situation is different, but still similar in many ways,  there has been far less support from patriots, and this now does not look like it will end well for anyone but the feds.  What am I missing??


Well, I think part of the explanation for the difference is that, in this case, you had some guys go and do something rash, ill conceived, and poorly planned, and then act like it's now the responsibility of all true patriots to come and join them.

This incident is just another inflection point on the path to Civil War 2.  There will be others.  All of them colored by varying degrees of ambiguity.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 29, 2016, 05:09:51 PM
With over 120 visible rounds in the truck, I would say they were out to kill him and any other occupants of the truck. If he were going to go down suicide by cop, then why did he not have the pistol in hand already? Truth is, the Fedcoats murdered this man and were looking to get rid of the other witness as well.

At this point I have nothing but contempt for ALL those that were the FBI shield for the following reason.: They've all been aware how out of control the govt has become, violated their oath and refuse to step down making them ALL guilty as Gestapo Nazis. I refuse to feel one ounce of sorrow when and if any are killed in the line of duty be it here or overseas. They've earned my contempt. The Oregon leo's are nothing short of compatriots with them like the Waffen SS divisions.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on January 29, 2016, 10:06:52 PM
With over 120 visible rounds in the truck, I would say they were out to kill him and any other occupants of the truck. If he were going to go down suicide by cop, then why did he not have the pistol in hand already? Truth is, the Fedcoats murdered this man and were looking to get rid of the other witness as well.

At this point I have nothing but contempt for ALL those that were the FBI shield for the following reason.: They've all been aware how out of control the govt has become, violated their oath and refuse to step down making them ALL guilty as Gestapo Nazis. I refuse to feel one ounce of sorrow when and if any are killed in the line of duty be it here or overseas. They've earned my contempt. The Oregon leo's are nothing short of compatriots with them like the Waffen SS divisions.

In the past it seemed most LE tried much much harder NOT to shoot people.   When they did shoot people,  they shot once or twice, to stop someone,    like shooting someone in the leg etc only wounding someone. 

Now it seems LE shoots quicker,  for more reasons,  and shoots much much more,  many rounds into someone.   Just seeing all the shots in the window of that truck tells alot. 

Combined the general lousy marksmanship,  it seems more innocent bystanders (like that woman in Chicago) are getting shot in the process too. 

When you consider that LE killed about 1000 people last year and 30 LE died in the line of duty,  I would say that police shootings are a much bigger problem then murdered police. 

That most police will never be charged with crimes for bad shooting, I think gives the idea to many that shoot first ask questions later.    That has to change. 
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on January 29, 2016, 11:00:35 PM
. If he were going to go down suicide by cop, then why did he not have the pistol in hand already? Truth is, the Fedcoats murdered this man and were looking to get rid of the other witness as well.

Good thing the FBI wasn't involved but happened to have a chopper recording the whole thing.  I think they shot him and THEN he went for a gun, so they shot him again.  I would love to see how many shots are in him and where they are. 


Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 30, 2016, 02:06:19 PM
. If he were going to go down suicide by cop, then why did he not have the pistol in hand already? Truth is, the Fedcoats murdered this man and were looking to get rid of the other witness as well.

Good thing the FBI wasn't involved but happened to have a chopper recording the whole thing.  I think they shot him and THEN he went for a gun, so they shot him again.  I would love to see how many shots are in him and where they are.

I think they shot him, he grabbed where he was shot instinctively and they shot him again. If it was his intent to to go out with a bang then why did he not have his gun in hand where he could access it? Why didn't he look for cover of the truck to shield himself? Just many questions.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 30, 2016, 02:28:05 PM

richb

Now it seems LE shoots quicker,  for more reasons,  and shoots much much more,  many rounds into someone.   Just seeing all the shots in the window of that truck tells alot. 



And for the flimsiest of reasons.

What you were describing was the behavior of cops who thought themselves part of a community. That sort of critter is now the exception, not the rule. These monsters are assassins and we are nothing more than notches on their belts.

When tables are turned (and they WILL turn) I will have no sympathy for ambushed cops.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AmericanPatriot on January 30, 2016, 04:46:20 PM
But, at least, THEY got to go home safely to their families.
All that matters, right?
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on January 30, 2016, 07:37:40 PM
But, at least, THEY got to go home safely to their families.
All that matters, right?

To that I say......enjoy it while it lasts. You cannot break the covenant without expecting consequence and recourse.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on January 30, 2016, 08:43:47 PM
But, at least, THEY got to go home safely to their families.
All that matters, right?

To that I say......enjoy it while it lasts. You cannot break the covenant without expecting consequence and recourse.
If you've watched the flick "Tombstone" this is all happening on a grander scale. Folks will veritably take the law into their own hands and fight back. It happened after WWII in the Carolinas, it will happen again. It happens everywhere when the govt stomps on the unalienable rights of the population and in our case it may take more time(than we have) as the population has been thoroughly sissified.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Pandora on January 31, 2016, 11:48:33 AM
Sissified and diluted.  Who thinks most Mexicans "get" our Constitutional principles?  Or Indians?  Or any of the other sub-groups from turd-world countries?

Objective complete.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on February 04, 2016, 07:39:13 AM
Isn't it interesting how the media is totally avoiding any of these events lately.  Just barely reported on a man being killed
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on February 08, 2016, 07:36:50 AM
White Lives Don't Matter - that's all you need to know about the media...the only white folk they like are high-ranking Progs.

When the fecal matter hits the oscillating blade unit there will be no lack of targets...and the Gestapo will be too busy saving their own asses and the asses of their kin to care about protective detail for middling bureaucrats with delusions of grandeur.

Happy Hunting!   :D
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on February 12, 2016, 05:05:21 PM
I picked this up from IOTWReport. It's a vid from LaVoy Finicom.

https://youtu.be/QpJWSQo9sO8
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on February 14, 2016, 05:05:26 PM
Obviously, a terrorist who deserved execution.

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Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on February 28, 2016, 10:23:26 PM
http://www.weaselzippers.us/259150-bureau-of-land-managements-conundrum-what-to-do-with-bundys-cattle/ (http://www.weaselzippers.us/259150-bureau-of-land-managements-conundrum-what-to-do-with-bundys-cattle/)

Obviously, they should just invite every member of government stooge nation to come out and pump as many bullets into them as they like and safely return home feeling good about doing a good job.

Looks like they've opted for letting them starve to death and die.  Less money for the Bubdy's to use in any legal defense and the family gets punished to boot.  Still a big win for Big Govt.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on February 29, 2016, 08:00:48 AM
This is an excellent letter from start to finish!

http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/ (http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/)

"You may be a fellow citizen, but you are not my fellow American."

The do not understand the oath they took like normal people understand it, to them it was merely mouthing something they never felt the slightest attachment to.  I feel just as unattached to them and the fate they have chosen.

Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on March 01, 2016, 08:43:02 PM
This is an excellent letter from start to finish!

http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/ (http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/)

"You may be a fellow citizen, but you are not my fellow American."

The do not understand the oath they took like normal people understand it, to them it was merely mouthing something they never felt the slightest attachment to.  I feel just as unattached to them and the fate they have chosen.
Absolutely.

Hey Trump will fix this all when he's in the White Hut(Trump Mansion) cause we know he cares so much for the Ranchers don't you know. Er wait a minute, trump sad the govt should own that land not legally allowed bu the Constitution. Aw shucks!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on March 02, 2016, 07:14:20 AM
This is an excellent letter from start to finish!

http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/ (http://foxnews1450.com/2016/02/25/an-open-letter-to-the-three-fbi-agents-that-killed-lavoy-finicum-in-oregon/)

"You may be a fellow citizen, but you are not my fellow American."

The do not understand the oath they took like normal people understand it, to them it was merely mouthing something they never felt the slightest attachment to.  I feel just as unattached to them and the fate they have chosen.
Absolutely.

Hey Trump will fix this all when he's in the White Hut(Trump Mansion) cause we know he cares so much for the Ranchers don't you know. Er wait a minute, trump sad the govt should own that land not legally allowed bu the Constitution. Aw shucks!

Yeah, Cruz wouldn't do much either...or he would have done so in his home state...of which he is a senator...and folks are under the Fedcoat boot there and have been oppressed for some time...

There are no champions to be had, not now, not in this rotted system...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 02, 2016, 08:31:37 PM
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Yeah, Cruz wouldn't do much either...

None of them would. The sooner we realize that we are all serfs the better. Now get back to those oars and row as if your very life depended on it!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on March 03, 2016, 07:17:35 AM
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Yeah, Cruz wouldn't do much either...

None of them would. The sooner we realize that we are all serfs the better. Now get back to those oars and row as if your very life depended on it!

Mutiny, slay the oppressors a row to a safe haven from which to operate raiding parties from to free more serfs!

And if you can't do that, scuttle the ship and take them down with you!

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As good a plan as any.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: warpmine on March 03, 2016, 05:43:26 PM
Battle speed number 41
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on March 03, 2016, 07:03:44 PM
no matter who is in 1600 in january,  it will only get worse.    It has to get much much worse before most even wake up.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on March 03, 2016, 07:59:02 PM
no matter who is in 1600 in january,  it will only get worse.    It has to get much much worse before most even wake up.

Yahtzee!!!!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on March 04, 2016, 07:10:34 AM
#CriticalMassIsNear
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Weisshaupt on March 10, 2016, 08:24:55 AM
Now with sound. ( which may or may not be legit.. but appears to be)


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-09/you-want-bloodbath-new-video-surfaces-police-shooting-oregon-protester-back?page=1 (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-09/you-want-bloodbath-new-video-surfaces-police-shooting-oregon-protester-back?page=1)

So, autopsy allegedly says 3 shots in the back- one to the lower right side.  ( I haven't verified that bit of data either..)

1) There is no way the officers behind him could have seen a weapon, much less reaching for one
2) Said weapon is reportedly a stolen gun
3) Weapon was in a pocket - not a holster
4) Video suggests shots were fired at the vehicle as it rounded the turn
5)  When she shots I am an EMT, let me help him,  the police respond by firing at the door she is opening.

Seriously,  a multi person operation like this would have EMTs of their own standing by. It is the duty of the police to save Finicum if possible- and they need to clear the car so that their EMTs can begin work.  They don't seem to be interested in doing that in any sort of a hurry, and instead take pot shots at the vehicle any time there appears to be a head up.

Maybe they are shouting orders but if so I can't really hear them. They are definitely acting like cops who have been shot at - but they haven't been shot at or even seen a weapon even once. The people in the car clearly think the police are going to soot them if they allow themselves to be taken into custody.

Your government at work folks.

Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on March 10, 2016, 12:39:43 PM
These Jack-booted thugs were intent on killing somebody in that group, period.  It was Lavoy simply because he was out in the open and stumbling in thick snow was sure to cause movement issues that could be exploited by cold-blooded government assassins. 

Here is the autopsy report for what it is worth...of course no mention of the fricken caliber of the bullets causing the damage...no mention of slugs removed, no wound channel details beyond the direction and affected areas...so HP's or slugs?  Went right through probably slugs.  No mention of what the executioners were shooting, though I thought an early report said the handguns were nine's.  Glad we got scant details that matter but know he had ibuprofin and his testicles dangle the right length!  What a useless sh*t of an ME!

http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicum%20autopsy%20report.pdf (http://media.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/other/2016/03/08/Finicum%20autopsy%20report.pdf)

And yes, more proof this was a Fedcoat-led kill-squad...

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_lie_uncove.html#incart_maj-story-1 (http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_standoff_fbi_lie_uncove.html#incart_maj-story-1)

The fourth round, police concluded, was fired by an FBI agent who subsequently twice denied to investigators ever firing his gun. As the investigation proceeded, detectives determined he also fired a second time, but didn't hit anything at the scene.

The discovery of that gunfire and conduct afterward by the agent and four other agents have triggered a criminal investigation that could result in the prosecution of all five. The agents all serve on the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Authorities on Tuesday released few details about the matter and didn't identify the agents by name.

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Yeah, goons protect their own...same as in Soviet Russia, North Korea or Hitler's Germany...now the same as The United States of America!

Any LEO's with a good name and a good rep who don't want to be lumped in with all these assholes better f**king speak up and start doing something and be seen saying and doing it or their fate is sealed along with this scum!!!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on March 11, 2016, 05:03:08 PM
Nothing that I have seen since the first report has dissuaded me from my belief that this was a stone-cold murder. It takes me directly back to the sentiment that I had when I was in my teens - cops are not just necessarily bad but intrinsically evil. You should hold yourself lucky if you survive an encounter with one of them and that they should be avoided at any cost.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on March 14, 2016, 07:19:07 AM
Sadly, what you say is true.  Even in the off-chance you come across a decent one...the number of bad ones renders taking the risk inadvisable.

Another sad indicator of a society near the end...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2016, 07:44:20 AM
In a shocking verdict, seven anti-government militants including Ammon Bundy, were acquitted in federal court of conspiracy charges stemming from their role in the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon last winter in protest of the Bureau of Land Management’s treatment of the Hammond Family as supporters cheered outside the courthouse.

Ammon Bundy, Shawna Cox, David Lee Fry, Jeff Wayne Banta, Neil Wampler and Kenneth Medenbach were found not guilty on all counts, however the court could not reach a verdict on Ryan Bundy regarding a theft charge.

As Intellihub adds, the group’s leader Ammon Bundy will remain in custody to later stand trial for another high-profile standoff which took place at the Bundy Ranch in Nevada where members of militia and the BLM pointed loaded rifles at each other.

The outcome marked a stinging defeat for federal prosecutors and law enforcement in a trial the defendants sought to turn into a pulpit for airing their opposition to U.S. government control over millions of acres of public lands in the West. Oregon Governor Kate Brown (D), who ordered the FBI to act swiftly during the occupation, was also unhappy with the verdict, nor were other local officials, like Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward who some have accused of violating the U.S. Constitution during the occupation.

Bundy and others, including his brother and co-defendant Ryan Bundy, cast the 41-day occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge as a patriotic act of civil disobedience. Prosecutors called it a lawless scheme to seize federal property by force.

The court sided with the defendants.

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As we reporeted at the time, the standoff led to the shooting death of one protester, Robert "LaVoy" Finicum, by police shortly after the Bundy brothers were arrested, and left parts of the refuge badly damaged.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/shocking-defeat-prosecutors-anti-government-militant-leader-ammon-bundy-and-six-foll (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-28/shocking-defeat-prosecutors-anti-government-militant-leader-ammon-bundy-and-six-foll)

There is that pestering intuition of mine that still smells a big fat rat...the release of lesser players in this drama makes me think it is all a distraction...I think there was a Fedcoat mole in the group, I think they were eager to pop some of the leaders and at the time could only pop poor LaVoy Finicum...these people can be happy their loved ones are returned to them...but they really didn't win anything, most lost property...and the Bundy's are still incarcerated...and I don't think the Fedcoats can keep them alive much longer...certainly not in a trial where their execution of LaVoy would be discussed...I think these boys are about to be Fostered.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Alphabet Soup on October 28, 2016, 09:53:35 AM
"We are not amused" - Øbongo
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: sfetter on October 28, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
Being that this happened yesterday.  Certainly is not much press about it. Even more surprising to see an article on Fox.  With Fox moving at a brisk pace to the left that you can literally see now from day to day.  Just did not expect to see it there with the circus of the election.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2016, 12:10:38 PM
"We are not amused" - Øbongo

I'm sure that she-ape was amused by the red people behaving badly (http://www.weaselzippers.us/303864-141-people-arrested-at-pipeline-protest-protesters-threw-rocks-molotov-cocktails-even-shot-at-police/), after all the authorities there just arrested people...people that threw explosives and fired shots...if they were white there would have been racially-motivated executions in the field.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on October 28, 2016, 12:11:59 PM
Being that this happened yesterday.  Certainly is not much press about it. Even more surprising to see an article on Fox.  With Fox moving at a brisk pace to the left that you can literally see now from day to day.  Just did not expect to see it there with the circus of the election.

Lügenpresse!

Back to demonizing Trump!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Glock32 on October 28, 2016, 03:18:19 PM
From what I read, there were more government informers in that siege than there were defendants.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on April 26, 2017, 07:56:46 AM
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/ (http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/)

...what a fricken joke...

 ::upsidedownflag::

Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on April 26, 2017, 03:43:34 PM
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/ (http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/)

...what a fricken joke...

 ::upsidedownflag::

It shows that throwing on charge after charge after charge shouldn't be and is likely very unconstitutional (not like that matters anymore either).    The government knows if it only goes after the one big charge,  they could lose.   So that's how we have ended up with these trials where all these many charges are brought.   So the government wins even if only one or two charges result in conviction.     You could be found innocent on 8 other things,  but since they got you on one,  you still lose even if you win most of it.

I think its the thumb on the scale of justice.  It's not just this case in particular,  but the whole system that has developed in the last half century or so.

I think the only way that ends (since a change in law is unlikely) if large amounts of juries start finding people innocent of all charges,  when they have these cases where there is a dozen charges.   Your either did something or not.    Picking from the "menu" only helps the government,  which juries shouldn't be doing.   The jury should always give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant,  never the government.   
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on April 27, 2017, 06:59:57 AM
LaVoy's murderers still walking free...government still imprisoning those awaiting kangaroo court justice...jury trying to play ball with the police state but finsing it difficult...

http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/ (http://libertynation.com/bundy-verdict-two-points-view/)

...what a fricken joke...

 ::upsidedownflag::

It shows that throwing on charge after charge after charge shouldn't be and is likely very unconstitutional (not like that matters anymore either).    The government knows if it only goes after the one big charge,  they could lose.   So that's how we have ended up with these trials where all these many charges are brought.   So the government wins even if only one or two charges result in conviction.     You could be found innocent on 8 other things,  but since they got you on one,  you still lose even if you win most of it.

I think its the thumb on the scale of justice.  It's not just this case in particular,  but the whole system that has developed in the last half century or so.

I think the only way that ends (since a change in law is unlikely) if large amounts of juries start finding people innocent of all charges,  when they have these cases where there is a dozen charges.   Your either did something or not.    Picking from the "menu" only helps the government,  which juries shouldn't be doing.   The jury should always give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant,  never the government.   

Yes, this is what happens when lawyers run amok...their "pleading in the alternative" (ie-throw as much shyt at the wall and see what sticks) method should not have been institutionalized as if it were Constitutional, nor should juries have ever accepted the practice of picking and choosing which laws may or may not have been broken so the prosecution can get some sort of conviction or not...HTF can a lessor charge be acceptable if in most all cases the more serious charge it is linked to be found to be without merit?  Did the defendant consciously choose to commit the less egregious crime at the time because the more serious offense was just too much to risk?  And if these judicial statists want to give juries choices then clearly the juries need to start taking this more seriously and think about if they were in this same circumstance and start finding people not guilty on ALL charges!  But that will be hard, the statists have a domesticated herd on their side in most cases...and even if just one juror holds out for acquittal on all charges...it is a hung jury and they get a Mulligan to try again with a new crop of idiots.  IMO a hung jury in non-capital/rape cases should be treated like an acquittal.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on August 23, 2017, 06:38:02 AM
https://www.weaselzippers.us/354247-no-guilty-verdicts-in-bundy-ranch-standoff-trial/ (https://www.weaselzippers.us/354247-no-guilty-verdicts-in-bundy-ranch-standoff-trial/)

WTF?  So for those 4, how many Mulligan's do the effing Fedcoats get?!

 ::upsidedownflag::
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on August 24, 2017, 02:15:26 PM
Wow,  the jury did it job, in spite of the deck being stacked in favor of the feds.   Even the AZ paper was pointing that out. 

Those two guys with the leftover gun charges are going to get the full fury of the state though.   They will be brought to trial for sure,  and they will get the full treatment.   Even though the feds have now lost twice,  they will still go for it. 

Surprised of the lack of coverage.   Thought this verdict would add to the fire.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on August 25, 2017, 11:34:39 AM
Imagine if the statists sent after BLM terrorists this hard?!

People who know better, do...those who don't will suffer for it one way or another...

But there is no way this doesn't up the kinetic response when it comes...

"Only following orders..." never lessens the retribution!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on November 28, 2017, 07:35:03 AM
This is unreal...almost like a piece out of Atlas Shrugged...

http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=2290 (http://outpost-of-freedom.com/blog/?p=2290)

...I don't know what kind of jury they got for this round...but the BLM is a bunch of goons out of control...

...sure would be nice if we had an AG and SecInterior worth a damn to shut these goosestepping morons down...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 04, 2017, 08:13:26 AM
http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36955792/cliven-bundy-refuses-to-be-released-from-jail-despite-judges-change-of-heart (http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/36955792/cliven-bundy-refuses-to-be-released-from-jail-despite-judges-change-of-heart)

H/T - WRSA

(https://westernrifleshooters.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/bundyranch-americanspring-cartoon.jpg)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Pandora on December 04, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
I suspect Bundy believes he's safer in jail, from the Feds, than out.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: AlanS on December 04, 2017, 03:16:50 PM
Could be.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: IronDioPriest on December 04, 2017, 06:04:41 PM
So it's only a pre-trial release. They still have to be put through the injustice of trial. I don't think he fears for his life. I think he's making the government live with their oppression of him, refusing to give them the optics of having mercy wile they steal his rights. His sons with small children made a different choice, and can't be blamed for it. But I respect his decision.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 05, 2017, 07:41:06 AM
I agree...this is his way of further highlighting the injustice of the government, I cannot imagine acting different if in his place.  It's his Hank Reardon moment before his oppressors.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 19, 2017, 12:05:17 PM
Good Lord is this a damning disclosure!  It should be immediate grounds for a dismissal!  But as we all know...judges in Latter Day America are seldom intelligent and unbiased...

Still, this is incredible to read!  Not surprised the Statists invaded the investigators office...it's what fascisti do!

An investigation into the Bureau of Land Management’s (BLM) handling of the 2014 Nevada standoff with rancher Cliven Bundy revealed “incredible bias,” widespread misconduct and likely illegal actions by the BLM.

Prosecutors shared the report with the Bundys’ defense attorneys, prompting a petition to Judge Gloria Navarro for a mistrial, or for the case to be dismissed altogether, The Oregonian reports. Navarro’s judgement is expected to come down Wednesday.

“It’s time for our men to go home and start making a living for their families,” Carol Bundy, Cliven Bundy’s wife, told The Daily Caller News Foundation. “We’re two years behind. We’ve got a lot of catching up to do.”

The investigation’s report, made by BLM Special Agent Larry Wooten and addressed to the Department of Justice, was publicized last week after Washington state Rep. Matt Shea posted it on his Facebook page, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Wooten’s 18-page report discussed some of what he witnessed during his three-year investigation, such as a BLM agent’s “kill list” featuring people who had committed suicide while under investigation by the agency, BLM agents and officials referring to the Bundys as “retards” and “douche bags,” agents bragging about “grinding” a Bundy family member’s face into gravel, and lead prosecutor and Nevada’s acting U.S. Attorney Steve Myhre’s “preferred ignorance” of investigation details that would benefit the Bundys’ defense case.

Former Special Agent Dan Love, who was in charge of impounding Cliven Bundy’s cattle in 2014, conducted “the most intrusive, oppressive, large scale and militaristic trespass cattle impound possible” against Bundy’s ranch against the direction of the U.S. attorney’s office, according to Wooten. The Bundys’ defense strategy accuses the BLM of using overly-aggressive and threatening tactics.


Navarro has ruled that Myhre’s prosecution team has committed numerous Brady Act violations failing to turn over exculpatory evidence, evidence that may exonerate the Bundys. In light of the violations and Wooten’s memo, Navarro sent the jury home last week as she considers ruling a mistrial or dismissing the case.

Wooten was removed from his position in the investigation in February by Myhre and his notes and case materials were taken. Assistant Special Agent Kent Klemen carried out Myhre’s order to gather Wooten’s data in what Wooten called a “raid” on his office.

Myhre declined TheDCNF’s request for comment.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/18/report-fed-agency-committed-militaristic-operation-against-nevada-rancher/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social (http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/18/report-fed-agency-committed-militaristic-operation-against-nevada-rancher/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social)

Full document here - https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Larry-Wooten-Communication_77PI.pdf (https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Larry-Wooten-Communication_77PI.pdf)

Another all too obvious reason why all these rogue agencies need to be ENDED!!!!   ::outrage::

Of course these goons felt even more entitled to be goons under Obama, Holder & Lynch!

Time for Lady Liberty to hit back!!!

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Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: patentlymn on December 19, 2017, 01:18:22 PM
When reading international news I come across stories of Chinese workers occupying a factory or Norwegian farmers blocking roads and dumping milk or French farmers dumping manure on the courthouse steps.

I think of the Bundy actions which are mild in comparison and the police over response. I wonder if we don't live in more of a police state than the Chinese etc.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2017, 06:54:37 AM
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 20, 2017, 01:23:23 PM
Judge is a fricken moron and a coward!

Navarro stopped short of dismissing charges against the four men. It is unclear whether the case will be retried because Navarro did not rule whether the mistrial was with or without prejudice.

She has set another hearing for January and has tentatively scheduled a new trial to begin Feb. 26.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/judge-declares-mistrial-bundy-case-says-government-willfully-withheld-evidence (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-20/judge-declares-mistrial-bundy-case-says-government-willfully-withheld-evidence)

Should have been a slam-dunk dismissal!  All that government heavy-handedness and bias...and the effing judge doesn't think I rises to an high enough level to warrant dismissal?

Pathetic!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Pandora on December 20, 2017, 04:16:47 PM
Rule of Law > DEAD.
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: patentlymn on December 20, 2017, 05:06:47 PM
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...

I think China executes people about 5x the per capita rate of the US.  Their rate is decreasing.

The over reaction of US police,in numbers alone, to the Bundys, Ruby Ridge etc. seem disproportionate to the 'crime.'

Disclaimer: Yes I know that the rules of engagement allow shooting a 50 year  old mentally ill homeless man with a knife. Still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU)




Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 21, 2017, 07:27:59 AM
Well, to be fair to the Norwegian and French (if I have to be!)...not aware that they are lining people up for executions on a scale that China has...

But I get your point...

I think most are police states to one degree or another...people here have that NIMBY-numbness blinding them to reality like this when it pops up though...

I think China executes people about 5x the per capita rate of the US.  Their rate is decreasing.

The over reaction of US police,in numbers alone, to the Bundys, Ruby Ridge etc. seem disproportionate to the 'crime.'

Disclaimer: Yes I know that the rules of engagement allow shooting a 50 year  old mentally ill homeless man with a knife. Still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Iigvm5iPkU)

Some are less obvious than others...seriously...sometimes I think they just crave the live target fire...and don't really give a damn...

And that kind of attitude is contagious...know what I mean?
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on December 22, 2017, 09:42:12 AM
Next steps?

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/21/jeff-sessions-orders-examination-bundy-case/ (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/dec/21/jeff-sessions-orders-examination-bundy-case/)

If it isn't dropping all charges and investigating the rampant lawlessness within LEO outfits then it isn't the least bit serious!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 03, 2018, 11:45:01 AM
Fricken Goons!

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/02/feds-ask-judge-for-a-new-trial-against-the-bundys/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social (http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/02/feds-ask-judge-for-a-new-trial-against-the-bundys/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social)

They will risk setting the nation ablaze and running red with blood than admit they effed up and leave these people alone!!!

It would be adding their urine on top of the grave of Lavoy Finicum whom they executed!
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: richb on January 08, 2018, 03:38:43 PM
Big development in the Bundy case today.  Judge dismisses all charges.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/08/charges-against-rancher-cliven-bundy-three-others-are-dismissed.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/08/charges-against-rancher-cliven-bundy-three-others-are-dismissed.html)
Title: Re: Militia Seizes Federal Building in Oregon
Post by: Libertas on January 09, 2018, 07:02:51 AM
"flagrant prosecutorial misconduct"

No sh*t?  What took so long?!

I think this is a case where the judge was covering her ass to save her job...this much misconduct, hostility and violence by the prosecutor, BLM, FBI (made possible by the politically-driven hatred in the Obama Regime!) wasn't going to survive any appeals and she decided to not have this tar-baby stick to her.

I'm glad the correct decision was made...but it should have been made quickly and decisively if the characterization of the judge is to be taken word for word!

Me?  I would have a hard time not counter-suing the whole lot, including Obama et al!!!

ETA - https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/05/bundy-fbi-misconduct-another-example-why-feds-need-leashed-james-bovard-column/1001603001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/05/bundy-fbi-misconduct-another-example-why-feds-need-leashed-james-bovard-column/1001603001/)

Not just leashed.  Downsized.  Eliminated.  Disarmed.

Heart-warming pic -

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 ::USA::