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Wouldn't those WMD attacks have to happen in densely populated centers?  They cannot simply sweep flyover country as that is where most of the food is produced.

But whatever...at this point I expect both nothing and everything.

You are right about illusions though...dumbocracy, kabuki economy...as long as people find it easier to deny reality the status quo will not ever change.

Funny thing is though...these statist/globalist assholes might just have planted the seed that germinates their own demise - globalism itself.  If things unzip from more than one corner...no matter how fast they run to the kill-switch or leave the master control switch in standby mode...once The Panic starts no circuit-breaker is going to be worth a bucket of cold spit.

ETA  - Speaking of kabuki -

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/shocking-admission-ny-bankruptcy-judge-chapter-11-15-filings-have-exploded

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-21/bill-introduced-allowing-cancellation-over-1-trillion-student-debt-through-bankruptc

Winning?!   ::unknowncomic::
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The "Educators" / Re: Some Notre Dame Grads walk out on VP Pence Speech
« Last post by Pandora on Yesterday at 12:25:50 AM »
Notre Dame, of all places.  What this world has come to .............
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The "Educators" / Some Notre Dame Grads walk out on VP Pence Speech
« Last post by richb on May 21, 2017, 11:32:12 PM »
Notre Dame grads walk out on own graduation because VP Pence was the speaker.   I guess it could have been worse,  they could have tried to disrupt it entirely.    But still lame.   Image the outrage had that happened when Obama spoke there.    Then it would have been disrespectful or something.   But do it to a conservative,  its nobel or something.   


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/21/pence-sticks-with-faith-and-family-as-notre-dame-grads-walk-out-on-his-commencement-speech.html
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Entertainment / Re: Trap's Movie Thread
« Last post by IronDioPriest on May 21, 2017, 06:10:53 PM »
I even liked AVP better than this. But I suppose I owe some rationale...
***SPOILERS***
As I said, I am a big fan of the franchise. I think the original is a masterpiece in any genre, and I felt that all the sequels were either good, or at the very least, worth watching. I liked 3 because of the dark setting of the prison. Resurrection was OK. AVP was watchable because it was, well, AVP. Suspending disbelief to enjoy the galaxy's most badass hunter hunting the most badass alien wasn't too tough for me.

I really loved what Prometheus TRIED to do, even though on some levels it failed. Visually it was stunning. The characters were interesting - particularly Shaw. The situation was true enough to the xenomorph canon that the variations were acceptable. I thought the way they danced around the edges of the human origin story - or at least alien involvement in the human origin story - was interesting. The way they played it out into no satisfactory answer left me frustrated and unsatisfied with a movie that I otherwise really enjoyed a lot - but eager for the sequel.

Which leads me to "Covenant". It took the setup from Prometheus and went absolutely nowhere with it. The only thing the Prometheus film served in this movie was explaining the presence of David and a hat-tip to Shaw. Not only were no questions about the intriguing connections suggested in Prometheus answered, but more, even less interesting questions were left hanging, and by the end, I didn't really care whether or not I ever get the answers.

The plot was sooooo predicatable - except when it wasn't. What I mean by that is, it seemed that either a) I was leaning over to my wife and predicting the next plot device, or b) the plot went somewhere that made no sense and offered no interesting advancement to the film.

The characters were boring. The female lead was bland, uninteresting, and offered no mettle in the tradition of Ripley or Shaw.

The variation to the xenomorph (microscopic insect swarm) seemed contrived for the sole purpose of CGI. The CGI aliens aren't nearly as terrifying as the creatively superior aliens from the very first film in the 1970s.

The David/Walter thing was broadcast from across the galaxy. Was ANYBODY surprised when it wasn't Walter?

I'll say one good thing about it. Michael Fassbender is a very good actor. It's a pity his talent (and the awesome character he created in Prometheus) were squandered in this film.

When its sequel comes out, I will wait until it is on free TV, unless someone I trust spends their money before me and convinces me they've corrected their mistakes.
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Entertainment / Re: Trap's Movie Thread
« Last post by Glock32 on May 21, 2017, 01:55:52 PM »
Interesting take on it IDP.  I saw it too.  I didn't think it was the worst, I think Alien Resurrection and the Aliens vs. Predator movies own that title.  I do think Scott is trying too hard at making some deep and pseudo-religious mythology for the franchise though.  I liked it much better when all we had was speculation about what the creatures are and where they came from -- most likely some sort of bioweapon created by the equally mysterious alien race that piloted the crashed spaceship.

My main complaint about Covenant is the pacing was too fast. The first film was sometimes criticized for its slow pacing, but that was how it built up a brooding suspense that turned to horror as events unfolded. This one was just sort of bang-bang-bang this event, now this event, roll credits. I almost got the impression Scott is rushing us through it to get to his next one.

I don't know how much you follow the franchise in general (it's my 2nd favorite sci-fi universe after Star Wars) but there is a lot of speculation that Scott is basically trying to preempt other Alien films that were in the early stages. There was a sequel film that was going to bring back the survivors from Aliens (Ripley, Hicks, and Newt) and cut Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection out of the canon. Sounds like Scott wanted to put the kibosh on that.
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Sure JF...IF Mueller isn't already a tool of the Deep State!

ETA - Well, sh*t.  That didn't take long to find!   ::facepalm::

http://www.weaselzippers.us/339424-fox-mueller-comey-have-had-long-close-relationship/

Still think the bogus Russia meme is dead and they've given up on destroying Trump?   ::whatgives::

     ::thinking:: ::whatgives::  at some point we have to take  ::popcorn::  attitude

   
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The Departed / Re: Chris Cornell, 52
« Last post by Alphabet Soup on May 20, 2017, 06:19:29 PM »
Agreed.

That kind of doublespeak isn't helpful, and that attitude certainly didn't help Chris at all, did it?  What's their next dumb move?  Blame the hotel?  Sue the hotel?

Once again the concept of personal responsibility is relegated to unimportant status...by victim and survivors.

Another cold observation...perhaps this is why family wasn't a very good support structure to begin with...some issues there I think.

I don't know Libertas - there's nothing like living through such an experience (or not) to test your confidence that you are really in touch with and capable of navigating the nuances and intricacies of mental illness manifested in yourself (much less others)...
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http://abc7news.com/health/5-confirmed-cases-of-botulism-from-norcal-gas-station-food/2010398/

 ::speechless::

I'm glad my Kwik Trip is OK.

It is OK, right?!

::foilhathelicopter::




It cracks me up when I come across people who look sideways at the Quickie Mart gas ("I'd never put that in my car!") but don't think twice about eating the crap that passes for food there.
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Entertainment / Re: Trap's Movie Thread
« Last post by Weisshaupt on May 20, 2017, 12:12:29 PM »
Sorry to hear Alien Covenant sucked. I had hopes....

My family is off at Guardians of the Galaxy while I am stuck here on a weekend shift. 

Did anyone take my advice and see Your Name?

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I'm OK with anybody lighting the match...at this point...what difference does it make?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-17/10000000-people-will-march-washington-if-they-impeach-trump-they-will-be-armed-no-ki

Just don't forget your local statist state capitol, city hall, Fake News distributor, etc...

Yeah, I kinda hope this doesn't happen.  Deep State would respond to such an action with Chemical or biological attacks, because they would know the game is up and full on war is at hand, and wouldn't they like to take out 1 million patriots in one blow? I think its far more likely that more people just start to tune out and start prepping, deciding like most of us that our local world is all we care about, and that we will defend it with arms WHEN the time comes.  Venezuela continues to be mostly likely form of our  destroyer - and until the currency collapses, people have too much to loose to engage in open rebellion.  But even if an interested minority did march, it would only be the event that starts the war, and probably not a successful coup that ends it. One way or another this ends up neighbor vs neighbor, rural vs. city because of ideological differences.   The deep state treatment of Trump is waking a lot of people up to the fact that there IS a deep state, and it is completely unaccountable to the people. This bothers conservatives for obvious reasons, and it bothers liberals because they realize that they aren't part of the exclusive club they thought they were putting into power-- they are little people. Democracy is only important to liberals because they think their participation in it gives them collective ownership of others... and without that illusion they realize that they are one of the owned. If this continues  over the next few years, you will see the leftists turn against the current  big corporate fascist Deep State ( that they lovingly nurtured,  voted for and accepted )  and declare now its time for a socialist revolution- Single Payer for All!  Guaranteed Incomes! Power to the people! I doubt the Democrats will retain control of their party any more than the GOP will.

Meanwhile, tick tock...

I suspect as things decline you will see a prevalent shadow economy emerge based on Bit Coin or some other currency that the government cannot seize easily ( there will be a huge business opportunity here) and  More and more people will just hedge against the coming collapse.   There could be a tax strike by some, and a million people participating in that would be noticeable, but probably not dramatic - causing a 25%  or so increase in private sector turnover as people  quit jobs as the government seized their wages.. But why do a principled Ayn Randian tax strike, when you can become a negative load on the system and collect welfare - and at no real risk to you other than perhaps a lower standard of living..( or not depending on the current state of the growing shadow economy..) ?

But as long as the Tee-Vee stays on and Cheetos are cheap at the 7-11,  you won't be seeing armed marches, or real riots ( paid for Soros-funded riots will continue of course) Most people will plod on as long as plodding is possible, just as they did in Venezuela. As Polyanna Hoyt said- "the middle class in Venezuela  is still doing fine. Nothing is that bad. It will all turn out alright.."  So we should all plan for that situation.. and expect a long, slow , plodding, steady decline over the next decade. Yes a sudden collapse is possible, but the powers that be will do everything they can to avoid it 

 I suspect secessionist movements will simply  become more prevalent and stronger as things get worse... as either the city or the country rebel at whichever side is in power and eventually they will be successful and dividing  or open conflict will ensue. 
 Unlike Venezuela we have fully functional and separate   secondary governments to fall back on, and if individual States fail, less robust County and city governments. I think we  will see real City States again, with no legal authority outside of their small geography .. and they will collapse on themselves quickly because they will have unfettered socialist polices.  Ideologically, we have no need to force them into union with us, but they have an ideological  need to compel us into their collective, but one that they are willing to fight and die for?  I doubt it. Not this generation of basement dwellers.  " Yeah, I know that battle was today, but staying in the basement smoking weed and playing video games off the old man's  car battery seemed less dangerous and more fun.. its the govt's job to deal with the fascists right?"

I don't see another Lincoln trying to put humpty dumpty together again, much less finding armies willing to fight to do it... by the time this  comes to a head anyone wanting to use force to keep us together  will have difficulty in paying their army in anything  but the spoils of war, and because America is so well armed, those spoils will come at a very high price. We won't be throwing bottled of human excrement at the police.
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